Thread 96306325

never-ending spoilers edition

>Bans
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-june-30-2025

>News
The 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:
https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule

>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotation
https://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation

>Spoilers
http://www.magicspoiler.com/
https://mythicspoiler.com/

CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES
>Current meta, complete with deck lists
https://www.mtgtop8.com/
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/
>Build and share casual decks
https://deckstats.net/
https://tappedout.net/

CUBE RESOURCES
>Build and share Cubes
https://cubecobra.com/landing

CARD RESOURCES
>Search engines
https://scryfall.com/
https://mtg.wtf/
>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://www.makeplayingcards.com/
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM
>Play online for free
https://untap.in/
https://dr4ft.info/

>What is EDH?
https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1

>WotC's War Crimes
https://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)
https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)

>Previously
>>96294593

>TQ
thoughts on the avatar cards?

>>96306324
what was the ratio in FF boosters

I think it was 1 out of 8.

>TQ
I don't really vibe with the Water and Firebending mechanics so far, they seem like pretty lazy designs. Perhaps we'll see something that will make those 2 more interesting, like how Stations made Survivors a lot more viable.
I do like Airbending and Earthbending though. Airbending with Appa should hopefully be a lot of fun.

>>96306364
1/8. I think they said it was 1/25 in Play Boosters specifically because they could mess up limited, same ratio as FF for Collector Boosters.

>>96306325 (OP)

Magic is dead.

>Some players are Unhappy that the prices of UB boosters cost more than in universe sets
>Some

Who the fuck is happy about paying more for packs?

>>96306325 (OP)
>TQ
Earth looks really good, a lot of things only work on non-lands. Unless (M)LD becomes more acceptable you limit their removal options.
Air is blink with a cost, by itself it's not good but it will be used as removal or to reset delayed trigfers like Warp.
Water is... good? Boring, but Improvise and Convoke are both good and this is just both of them combined.
Fire seems the most niche, as the mana only lasts until the end of combat. We'll see if they print a way to bank it.

>>96306376
>>96306383
>limited as a scapegoat for enshittyfication
why am I not surprised. thanks tho

>>96306421
Some players just don't care. The few that are happier are scalpers and investors.

>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71876&f=PREM
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177 players
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52 players

Embrace tradition.
Come back to Premodern, /tg/.
Come back home...

>>96306325 (OP)
>that Sokka card
Great. More cards for Izzet Cauldron...

Are any of the spoiled cards from today a powerful reactive card or is it just more commander-bait and pushed threats?

>>96306498
take a fucking wild guess

The color pie for each bending.
Waterbend: All colors
Earthbend: All colors
Firebending: Black/Red/Green
Airbend: White/Blue

In the past when I would see new cards I might "theory craft" and imagine what decks it could go in, or what other cards it may interact with. Now cards come out so frequently, and I am less engaged with the game, so I see new spoilers and it just goes it one ear out the other so to speak.

>>96306486
>draft an oath of druids in a mystery 2 draft
>remember oath has some playable decks in premodern
>remember I have no mox diamonds
>forget that dream

Wish reanimator wasn't so dogshit without entomb but allegedly too good for the format with it since I have all those pieces.

>>96306325 (OP)
Apparently they are going to get 3 different cards for each season in the main set.

>>96306486
I'll take it, anon. I used to be a pauper believer, but I'm tired of games going to turns. How often do draws happen in premodern?

>>96306558
Seems like the 3rd Katara will be an uncommon.

>Avatar the last Airbender
>in 2025
Who the fuck is asking this? Genuinely.

>>96306513
I don't think we'll get any mono-Green cards with Firebending, nobody in the Fire Nation really fits mono-Green at all, at best Green could be a secondary color for Iroh.

>>96306649
The franchise is still popular and still makes money. And based on the reaction online, even if not many people specifically asked for it, it will probably sell a lot.

>>96306665
How does a childrens cartoon on nickelodeon from a decade ago still make money? Lmao.

>>96306649
>>96306665
the licensing could've just been cheaper than usual compared to other UB sets, even if there isn't a huge audience to capitalize on it, people will still have to buy the cards if they're good in commander

>>96306689
They never stopped making merch, sequels, and expanded media, and it recently got a live-action remake on Netflix.

>>96306690
Don't forget about Standard. I wonder what this set's Vivi will be.

>>96306650
Mai seems like she could fit although she's not a bender.

>>96306649
It's was a popular show who's main fanbase is now 30+ year old nerd cons0ymers who have money

plus, it's marketing for the upcoming adult Aang movie and the post-Korra Earth Nation Avatar twins show

>/mtg/ loves UB now
what happened?

>>96306791
oh and there's the current live action Netflix show
damn the final fight with Bumi was so gay and disappointing

>>96306325 (OP)
If they don't print a card with Toph's feet on it I will riot.

>>96306604
i just want more cards of her barefoot

>>96306689
The people who grew up with it are all adults with disposable income. They also don't have franchise fatigue because very little has been done with the IP. If anything they're begging Nick to make ATLA shit.

>>96306823
Why?

https://youtu.be/uCFMDqJ9vFY?t=1900

right now, in 2025, yugioh DRAFT is better balanced than Magic STANDARD

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

https://www-izzetmtgnews-com.translate.goog/?_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
i've been pretty addicted to reading about japanese players trashing mtg

>>96306838
Draft in Magic has always been more balanced then standard too. Draft is the best way to play TCGs period.

>>96306838
>draft environments are weaker than constructed ones
Who'd have guessed?

>>96306860
>Draft in Magic has always been more balanced
Name one balanced draft format in the last 10 years.

>>96306604
airbend

>>96306838
obviously, yugioh is the better game after all

>>96306930
WOE

>>96306558
Aang might get 4, one for each element, but otherwise yeah the main ones will be getting 3 each. Suki excepted, I imagine, because she's only really part of the team for like four episodes.

>>96306941
That's the Jumpstart-exclusive one, I don't think that counts for the "one per season" thing.

Can someone explain to me how my package of just a single that had to cross an ocean arrived a week ago but my bulk 3 states over still hasn't arrived. I just want to play my deck.

>>96306990
The postal service is in shambles. This is just a general truth about the world.

>>96306930
Literally all of them after New Capenna. Dragonstorm was probably the weakest, though.

>>96306990
I heard that sometimes postal workers steal the larger packages and then claim it got lost.

Has anyone made a deck around Celes that is fun that doesnt just abuse persist?

>I tap my Falador, Walled City for 1 white and to create a 1/1 white knight token
>I pay 1 white, 1 black and 2 colorless for Black Luster Soldier: Envoy of the End
>I equipment him with my M60 to give him +5/+0
>then I will use him to crew my 1994 Mazda RX7 FD
>I'll cast Tokyo Drift, which allows me to make any Mazda creature unblockable this turn
Your response?

>>96307027
But theft is illegal.

>>96307056
You can't get punished if you don't get caught.

>>96307008
MH3's Mythic Common excepted.

>>96306325 (OP)
The truth is: Avatar looks 100 times better than this shit, but the reality is all this UB shit is turning Magic into some sort of hideous fornite trash game where you have in a same Standard: Cloud, Zuko, Aunt May, Instant Ramen, Guy in a Chair and Cabbage Merchant. If they keep this trend or what's worse start adding lowest shit like K-pop stuff the game will become a huge pile of shit.

>>96307047
I play Big BLACKED Lotus for 0, and sac it for 11 black mana. I'll use the mana to cast John Wick, Retired Assassin. On ETB, I get to murder target player. GG.

>>96306527
You can just proxy the mox diamonds. Most tournaments will allow for a set of 4 proxies, max.
You can also try different Reanimator builds, such as the Dragon one which is pretty fun. Reanimator is not a dogshit deck by any means, it's just not a tier-1 deck because other, a lot more powerful decks exist.
That said, it can still get top8 in tournaments.

>>96306565
Pauper has been going downhill for a while now. I feel as if everything is just way too broken or ridiculously strong.
Regarding draws, it's not often that they happen unless you're going up against a heavy late-game control deck like Stasis or BW control, etc.

>>96306930
We just had FIN.

>>96306421
>Who the fuck is happy about paying more for packs?
Scalpers.
But they aren't players, so it's still a lie.

>earthbending puts counts on the lands that stay there
fun effect, I wish it were in a real set intead of UBshit

>>96307208
It was

>>96307154
>"Just crack Urza and win the coinflip, idiot: The Format"
>>>>>>>Balanced

>>96307208
>fun effect
Anon it was literally the primary keyword of one of the worst sets of all time.

inb4 shill revisionism about BFZ begins.

Any possibility we got back to 4 sets a year?

>>96306398
>Magic is dead.
Premodern will revitalize it.

>>96307271
near zero

>>96307255
>a single op mythic in a bonus sheet means the format is unbalanced
draftlets need not speak up, you could've at least said ardyn or dion
trying to force a 50% win rate on every deck is never going to work, as a whole the format is great

>>96307271
We've been at six sets for a while, it's just two of those weren't Standard sets before. Now everything is.

I just wanna go back to having 3 sets per plane again man.
Original Theros block standard ruled.

>>96307305
You will never have it back.

>>96307305
You should've spent more money instead of buying proxies

Dropping blocks was always a mistake and what has led us to this irredeemable pile of trash. Nosesater whines multiple times about how hard design is in his article; more or less admitting to being a creatively bankrupt failure. His only reply to the """shrinking""" subset of people who don't care for UB is sales sating Habsro's board's greed.

>long awaited return to ravnica
>1 set
>long awaited return to the phyrexian plot line
>1 set and a tiny supplemental product
>cool new take on kamigawa
>1 set
>no mechanics bleed over leaving every set feeling insulated with little to zero mechanical flow between them
At least we get Spiderman and Avatar I guess :^)

>>96307356
>cool new take on kamigawa

almost had me

>>96307365
Considering old Kamigawa was universally panned outside of mechanically powerful cards like top and gifts yeah. Original theme was just
>japan

>>96307329
I called it years ago, block apologists would start crying about how getting rid of blocks would kill the game or some shit like that. You can fuck right off, we had garbage third sets for years straight.

>>96306325 (OP)
I love this 1/1 like you wouldn't believe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKAgGQbX8Gw

>>96307292
>as a whole the format is great

>[18+] Bioware fan has fun

>>96307403
Nigga I've been saying it was a bad idea since they started it. The single set abortions have been worse than most 3rd sets. 2 set blocks was a good solution but they're too retarded for their own good.

>>96307371
Only ever seen this said by people who weren't even born yet. My bros and I enjoyed it at the time even if it was low powered.

>>96307329
I'm pretty sure Mark was the one fighting the hardest to make 3 set blocks happen. R & D is the one you should be blaming.

>>96306325 (OP)
People should remember that this early previews are not to entice players but rather to entice stores.

>>96307609
Where were you kamigawa suckups when it was new and fresh lmao

>>96307371
Going from old Kamigawa to new Kamigawa is like an ugly chick getting surgery and ending up 100% bogged. Yeah, it wasn't great before but jesus christ.

>>96307403
>>96307592
>>96307329


Two set blocks that are thematically and narratively linked but drafted separately so as to reduce "third set sucks" syndrome are the best comprimise. AKA Lorwyn and Shadowmoor, some of the best blocks in Magic.

I just wish Reverse draft where you pick the shittiest card to give someone and try to make it work becomes more popular

So I comboed off with omniscience, marangs, myojin of night's reach
bounced all my opponents stuff
but he had 6 lands and an anti-casual vestige on board
bounce his vestige -> he draws a card and puts vestige back onto the field
so I realize oh duh I just have to pop myojin while the trigger is on the stack to tidy up, I have infinite myojin after all
he discards his vestige, draws a card... puts a vestige onto the battlefield
-.-
repeat the process and he drew a land

>First Guy in a Chair
>Then Cabbage Merchant
Seriously i’m so tired of these UB hideous slops. i don’t care about the excuses of blocks or whatever is not even about less product that should be something they actually care about is about the quality of the trash they are trying to sell to people. is an insult not only as a player but also as a customer and the reason why every single sane person despises the Coommander crew.

>>96307785
I agree that commander sucks and guy in chair is a poor fit for Magic but don't be saying shit about Cabbage Merchant, he's the goat.

>>96307784
>bounce his vestige -> he draws a card and puts vestige back onto the field
GOOD.
GAME.
DESIGN.

>>96307785
Why is cabbage merchant worse than fantasy plane merchant #1239?

>>96307784
>>96307823
it's called anti-casual for a reason

would any of you be happy with any ub? i mean i read a lot of complains here about ub but would any set without Magic theme be acceptable for you? or are you willing to cry like this the whole 2026 after seeing the new 3 ub sets we are getting doesn’t matter the thematic?

why isn't high noon and graveyard hate meta in standard

>>96307873
>would you be happy with any flavor of turds?
no, i wouldn't
i don't want anything other than magic

>>96307873
I will actively shit and despise any UB set they are willing to release and i will do it on a daily basis. Doesn’t matter if i like or not the theme is something i will never accept.

If you want to eat the shit and congrats the chefs, do it alone.

>>96307873
not really, I think UB should've stayed in the same camp as silver-bordered cards, casuals get to have as much fun as they want with them without affecting competitive formats, I think making any form of UB set in black border is bad regardless of the IP

>>96307873
Because wotc has sabotaged its in universe sets and I'd frankly rather get Avatar over another hat set or set featuring guys wearing jeans and baseball bats.

>>96307873
no but my opinion doesn't matter because hasbro keep setting new sales records. i only buy old cards every now and then.

>>96307760
That's just going to end up as 5c slop pile mirrors every game

>>96307873
The least offensive UB they could do would be based on classical fantasy literature that involves no handshakes with other companies (i.e public domain). The least offensive UB they could do that involves licensing would probably be the Souls games, but even that would be objectionable because it's not Magic. The problem then is that the lore-friendly sets are becoming increasingly bad both lore wise and mechanically.

>>96306930
As much as I hate all things UB, FIN draft might be an all time top 10 list contender.

>>96307873
Alice in wonderland....

>>96308027
IM GOING TO ALICE

>>96308027
The Evolve version is at least more nuanced. The OG version is just 123 Alice into Cthulu. Wonderland Dreams did major damage to OG Shadoba back in the day

>>96308040
Grimm, no!

>>96307873
At this point I'm more triggered by constant new set release barrage.
I'm just completely checked out of paying attention to new sets.

It will be even worse after arena/paper marvel split happens.

>>96307873
I dont mind crossovers that really fit the base MTG world (like Lord of the Rings).

I dont mind silly cards in commander. I say this as someone that primarily plays commander.

Shit like Spiderman being a whole fucking standard set with 50 Spiderman cards that cant be put on MTGO or Arena is aids.

>>96308005
The shill cometh

>>96308099
too late, i already alice

>>96308114
>took a pause for 2 weeks
>miss a quarter of EoE lifespan
is tiresome...

>>96307661
They weren't playing Magic because MtG only got its big resurgence in 2020 when, ironically, people were playing online. Back when Kamigawa first released weeb culture was very fringe so people didn't give its awful design a pass solely because it was (thing, japan).

>After 1 week of Edge of Eternities complete spoiler, nobody cared because Spiderman spoilers.
>After 1 week of Spidermand spoilers, nobody cared because Avatar spoilers.

Cumzoom, cum zoom cumzoom. No think, just cumzoom every single hollow trash WotC give to us.

>third best deck in Standard is a Trailblazer clones combo deck
Vesuvan Duplimancy anon was ahead of the curve

Just play Premodern and say no to slop, lmao

Companion is coming back

Buckle up faggots. It's Lurrus 2: Electric Boogaloo time.

>>96308512
Okay but in which set?

>Warp it
>+ Kaya onto it
>Kaya triggesr
>Create 1/1 and return Anticausal to hand
>Draw a card for Anticausal trigger and put it back onto the battlefield
>Ketramose out
ah yeah
it's all coming together

arenafag here, I've been thinking about getting some paper decks to maybe introduce some of my friends to the game. I think artisan is probably a good cost/power compromise, and monocolor is a good way to get a feel of what they're about while keeping things simple. Archetype wise I'm thinking
W: lifegain
U: probably tempo, I don't think control would work and flyers isn't a good example of what blue really is
B: sacrifice
R: cavalcade of calamity or goblins
G: stompy
That being said, I'm concerned about balance. How would you figure out they're evenly matched?

>>96308647
Lorwyn of course

>>96308675
Lorwyn's going to be the planeswalker set.

>>96308705

Planeswalker Companions

>Play MTG with friends growing up
>Have a good time just slugging it out against each other in the sixth edition days, games are usually back and forth fun
>Everyone gets a little better and starts making better decks, power creep sets in
>Nowadays no one even bothers playing anymore because decks are specifically designed to be unfun, merciless, or turn 2 wins

I wonder what the cheapest earthbending card will be, since it's just ramp with sacland.
Also it can be funny if earthbending + Strip Mine becomes a thing in Vintage or Commander

>>96307873
If they printed UB as silver border everything would be fine.
If they printed UB as a different card back and made it a self contained second game using Magic ruleset, everything would be fine (and this would be a cool chance for them to "restart" and fix current MTG problems)
Injecting UB into established formats where entrenched players are forced to play with and against these cards really sucks, because some players bought into the game for a certain tone and seriousness that is now gone.

>>96308709
Please no

>>96307008
Dragonstrom draft annoyed me since when played as intended (3 colour clan Vs 3 colour clan) it can actually be quite fun but the dominance of 4-5 colour soup basically ruined the entire format

>>96308912
Not good enough for Vintage when there are 5 moxen and a black lotus running around. Earthbending Strip Mine will absolutely shit up tables of EDH though

https://scryfall.com/card/pc2/138/island
https://scryfall.com/card/10e/370/island
Which art is better and why?

>>96309035
Mark once again can not figure out how to improve 3c colorfixing without just letting people run domain soup, once again outing himself as clinically retarded.

why do the mythic lands in eoe require total stations of like 12?

>>96309135
Designed for EDH.

>>96309110
X one is a bit more mystical and evocative, but the planechase one would fit thematically in more decks.

>>96308672
>Put it back on the field
You still need to drag the game on to T6 for that. And it doesn't even win the game :(
you get 4 cards for 2 life and commit to the wishful thinking of getting a T7.

>>96307840
Yeah it's a noob-trap card. Prime Timmy bait.

>>96309231
>You still need to drag the game on to T6 for that.
4 Push, 4 Verse, 4 March says that isn't a problem.

>>96309237
>Commit 12 cards of the deck so you can draw 4 on T6(end of turn)

:(

>>96309254
Yes, we are committing a lot of interaction because it is a slow deck.

>>96307873
It's disingenious to think UB can be anything different than modern 3rd party owned IP franchises. It's market research logic that dictates what goes in the pipeline of UB.
>>96307985
>Public Domain
And those would be done inserting their DEI values because no one would say otherwise. At that point it would be better as inspiration for UW sets.
> are you willing to cry...?
I'll never get tired of pointing how lazy, boring and ugly these UB sets are for a game so evocative as Magic, be it 2026 or the future.

>>96309271
I dunno...
Even in slow decks, and even in the absolute best case scenarios, Vestige is starting to seem a bit... Vestigial?

>>96309302
>Vestige is starting to seem a bit... Vestigial?
I'm still not quite convinced it's the best piece, but it feels VERY good. It is the most definitive game-ending threat I've found so far for this brew. Once online, it's fucking unstoppable.

>>96309231
>>96309254
Wait, the math is wrong.
It's just 2 cards.

My favorite Spiderman villain is Hobgoblin but if Harry and Scorpion are only getting uncommons I'm nervous for my boi.

>>96309417
Spiderman has shit villains tbqh
Only Mysterio is cool

>>96309419
Mysterio is very cool too. What a shame Kevin Smith got his filthy hands on him.

why don't ub cards have that upside down triangle anymore?

>>96309533
Main universe sets will have it from now on.

>fab dead
>lorcana dead
>sorcery dead
>riftbound will probably be dead
i NEED an mtg killer right NOW

>>96306941
Airbend is a controlled flicker?

>>96307109
>k-pop
Be YOUR IDOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3sOnIfU0QM

>>96309563
What if you don't need a TCG at all?

>>96309190
Thanks anon.

>>96309604
>>96309631
20 years too late
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiyAVN4TcO8

>>96309767
Waterbending is weird....

Final Fantasy fan/ magic tourist here

Are these Final Fantasy through the ages cards just new art on some classic evergreen magic cards?
If so does it mean that in 3 years those will be the only legal FF cards for standard play?

>>96309965
Yes.
Welcome to the grift.
Also: some of those won't see reprint either so they'll be gone too.

This is not a game anyone should spend money on.

>>96309965
>Are these Final Fantasy through the ages cards just new art on some classic evergreen magic cards?
Not quite, there are no evergreen cards for standard. Except basic lands, I guess.
>If so does it mean that in 3 years those will be the only legal FF cards for standard play?
No, they're simply alt art and don't affect legality. Any card that isn't standard legal (like pic related) didn't get added to standard. Same with Azusa, she's already not in standard.

>>96309965
buy a poster

>>96307873
I am okay with 1 (one) non standard legal UB set per year at most. Let them do the rest of their ideas as secret lair drops.

>>96307271
It is more probable that we will get even more sets per year.

I miss blocks

>>96309909
>X can't be 0.
Was it really necessary to have a "You can't kill all your own shit." clause?

>>96306838
We are flourishing, incel.
Maybe this game is not for you?

>>96309909
They learned from Minsc, I guess

>>96310307
since she doesn't tap to use the ability I assume they didn't want to accidentally create any easily repeatable way to sacrifice shit

>>96310281
Ixalan, the set they shoved down our throats with le heckin mesoamerican antifa that resist oppression, le wholesome vampirinos that are actually incels that are doing a racism, the fucking dinosaurs or as I like to call them, nigger dragons, gave so much ixalan fatigue that wizards disingenuous as always thought it was because of the block paradigm and not because we were stuck a whole year on a disgusting plane (fuck their theme parks too), so they axed blocks so even if you get shitkoria or edge of eternities with spaceships n shieeet it's not as bad so you forgive them quicker.
Hasbro has done nothing but irreparable damage to magic the gathering.

>>96310343
>since she doesn't tap to use the ability I assume they didn't want to accidentally create any easily repeatable way to sacrifice shit
anon she kills herself too, it wouldn't be repeatable

>>96310354
If you have an anthem it does become a repeatable source of activating waterbending, which, say, would trigger Aang, among other things.

>>96310346
I don't even disagree that Ixalan was shit, but what a fucking brainrotted way to describe it

Okay Coomers, Status Report.
How are we liking Avatar so far?

>>96310397
that seems like a lot of effort for something you can get at 1cmc

>>96310406
0 mana draw a card repeatable isn't that small a thing, my guy.

>>96310401
Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just relaying it as they would have done.

>>96310397
>kike company
>AAAAAAH... MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!
Checks out.

>>96309563
>lorcana dead
wait what? I thought they were doing well with all the tournaments they keep getting

>>96310354
just give her a counter

I love that Sokka is perfect in the Vivi cauldron deck and seems like it was created to boost its power ha ha

It’s wonderful when new sets keep old archetypes in mind

tf is Sokka?

Pass on Avatar. Next week comes Lorwyn right?
Where are the blue cats btw?

>>96311055
SOKK AN DEEZ NUTS

>>96310346
Ixalan was great and you're a retard.

>>96309563
>Everyone trying to make a new TCG ends up failing
>The only ones still existing are because of stockholm syndrome and people who want to keep deluding themselves about the thousands they put in cardboard
TCG is just a bad design for a game, but it's great for cashgrab and "investors"

>>96311009
...how? Cauldron already has better discard outlets and the only artifact it runs is Cauldron itself.

>>96311065
>Next week comes Lorwyn right?
yes

>>96311088
It’s a two mana discard two draw two that helps you find combo pieces, discard Vivi, and can naturally get a counter from casting Soul Cauldron. If there are any good lessons (and there will be at least one) you can bump it up more. You are bad at this game

>>96311099
They already have Roiling Dragonstorm, Chart a Course, Grab the Prize and many other 3-mana options. Sokka offers little here besides an 1/1 body.

>>96311133
Sometimes I forget how bad you all are

I appreciate the reminder

>>96311133
>Sokka offers little here besides an 1/1 body.
you have to be trolling us, do you understand what soul cauldron even does?

>>96311169
if Vivi is already in your cauldron then Sokka's whopping 2-mana dork capabilities (maybe 3) are the least of anyone's worries

The only path leading to true salvation is to accelerate
We must have 8 sets per year

I like Fire bending and Earth bending but Air and Water bending are so shit. Water is probably the worst bending and the one that looks less flavorful of the bunch. Air bending also doesn't sound like something from the show, If those two where more about tricks it would have been better imo.
Maybe Air bending tapping and putting stun counters and water dealing damage or returning creatures to hand (or giving opposing creatures -x/-0) would be way better.

I am not playing UBslop, but "Airbending" and "Firebending" are cool mechanics and it's a shame they aren't in a proper set, so I won't get to play them.

On the other hand, I'm very happy I won't be touching Allies and Lessons. Hopefully this means Strixhaven 2 won't have lessons.

I do not miss blocks, and of all things that /tg/ is nostalgic about, blocks is the one that baffles me the most.

I would have had way fonder memories of Innistrad if I didn't have to suffer through Dark Ascencion and Avacyn Restored. This is the same of so many different blocks. Return to Innistrad, Tarkir, to name a few.

>>96311546
Return to Ravnica*

>>96310854

I was chatting to a buddy at the LGS who plays it and he mentioned it's coming up on its first Standard rotation. Because Lorcana is filled with Disney adults who aren't fat guys, they have no idea what this means and think they can't use their cards anymore. Even though a lot of the staples are being reprinted in a core set. And they're making a "Type 1" -like format for people to use their old cards.

He was telling me some of these people didn't know they could use old versions of a card. As in, "can't play Revised Lightning Bolt. You can only use 5th. Edition Lightning Bolts." Just all-around buffoonery as players don't understand what a rotation is and why it's needed. Or what formats are.

Because of this, the game might actually die. Doubtful, though, since it's Disney and they have "fuck you" money.

>>96309563
What's the tea on Flesh & Blood being dead?

I know it has had a problem with staple cards being way too expensive, but is there something else more recent that is a problem?

PLEASE BRING BACK BLOCKS
STOP THE UB TRASH AND GIVE US REAL MAGIC

>>96311815
>STOP THE UB TRASH
Yes
>PLEASE BRING BACK BLOCKS
Fuck off

>>96311957
what’s wrong with blocks?

>>96311815
You have 2 blocks next year non-ub and ub blocks :^)

>>96312009
>can't use the power buff and attack at the same time
Decidedly medium fatty hate

>>96311546
Imo the 2-set block was a fine compromise

>>96311963
m-muh 3rd set no good

>>96311963
If you didn't like a set, you would have to suffer through two more sets of the same shit. If you DID like a set, it would inevitably become tiring to have the same shit again and again. I liked Duskmourn, but I would be exhausted after 2 Duskmourns, nevermind three.

Anyway, EOE is apparently already doing quite well.

>>96306649

The average MtG player is around 30 years old and it's only getting older. Pricing, themes, marketing decisions... they all make sense once you realize that the main audience is:

1) Millenials (born between 1981 and 1996)
2) collectors/investors
3) Gen X to a lesser degre

I played MtG in the early '00s and the vibe was completely different.

>>96312203
Doubters and faggot doomers in shambles. Space set succesful

>>96312222
so we are definitely getting a Star Trek UB

lead pipe

>>96311963
There were only one good block, and that was Khans.
Everything else was miserable, especially to draft. Its just not a good way to design things.

>>96312298
It's very much a possibility. We won't know for sure until we get details, but I could see it happening next year.

>>96312478
To maro's skull? Absolutely.

>>96312478
Lead Pipe
{B}
Artifact — Clue Equipment

Equipped creature gets +2/+0.

Whenever equipped creature dies, each opponent loses 1 life.

{2}, Sacrifice this Equipment: Draw a card.

Equip {2}

rope

Bombs? You want it? It's yours my friend.

>>96311963
If you didn't like the theme you were stuck on the plane for a year. A bad set would ruin draft. They split the main set mechanics to do something new each set.

Ravnica was the first set where the art of all cards was pretty good (there was still a ton of uggo art in Mirrodin and Kamigawa still had a few dodgy ones), but how long did this era last?

>>96307873
>if UB slop was silver-bordered
I am fine with it.
>if UB slop always had in-universe cards
I am fine with it.
>if UB slop was like a once a year or special occasion shit for whales and retards
I am fine with it.
I don't like the idea of UB, but I was willing to tolerate it to an extent. They immediately jumped the shark and now MTG is just Fortnite the Cardening. Boring. Glad I sold.

>noooo blocks are terrrrrible! What if the plane is bad? Then I have to spend 3 sets in a plane I don't like! Nooooooo! Get rid of blocks immediately and never reconsider!!!!
>aw hell yeah now we can go from Terrible 1-off Plane to Terrible 1-off Plane forever!!
I hate you retards.

Hear me out:
one set per year.

>>96313844
>Sends you to Masques block

>>96312203
>>96312269
Yeah I’m glad to hear it. People were saying that it only sold half as well as Dragonstorm in its first week, but if it’s being “seen internally as a big success,” then I’m glad since that was by far my favorite set of the year and might even be my favorite set from this decade (2020s). Hope we get more sets like that and less like Aetherdrift or Outlaws at Thunder Junction.

>>96313989
I find it odd that people hate DFT more than OTJ. DFT at least had some effort put into trying to make it cohesive, even though there were some awkward leaps in worldbuilding and whatnot, and they also, you know, gave us backstory on the newcomers rather than just "these people are here now, anyway" like OTJ. Neither's great, but OTJ's the absolute nadir of in-universe sets from the thematic perspective, if only because it was a Western set that utterly refused to actually engage with the Western genre in any way at all besides High Noon. I seriously can't see a single other card in OTJ that makes me go "oh this is absolutely the sort of thing you'd want in a Western-themed set", and I know it's technically Villains first, but even that's not conveyed well. DFT is, at the very least, a well-constructed 'racing set', but the concept of a racing set was either done too modernly or too 'artificially'.

>>96309425
You don't know the half of it. Kevin Smith got permission to use Mysterio, but he didn't get permission to kill him off, which pissed off the Spider-Man writers, because they were going to use Mysterio in their own story. They tried to imply that Mysterio faked his death, but Kevin Smith found out and whined about it, and since Marvel wanted to keep their big superstar writer happy, they forced the Spider-Man writers to reveal that the real Mysterio was still dead and the one running around now was an impostor.
And then Kevin Smith decided to ignore that and introduced yet another new Mysterio in a Black Cat/Spider-Man miniseries he wrote that took forever to come out. Also this Mysterio was a crazy guy raped by his brother, I am not joking, Kevin Smith got away with shit no other writer would ever be allowed to do.
Eventually, Marvel stopped caring about Kevin Smith's ego, so the fake Mysterios were forgotten/died and the real Mysterio came back, and it was revealed that he did in fact fake his own death because he's the master of illusion, of course he did.

Instant Ramen.

>>96312203
>Anyway, EOE is apparently already doing quite well.
Surely Mark Rosewater, famously a very honest man, is telling the truth.

>>96314048
The pedantic nerd in me feels the need to bring up that even later it was retconned that Mysterio actually DID die, but he came back to life thanks to a deal with the demonic Kindred. Said deal involved him making Norman Osborn think he slept with Gwen Stacy, because that story also retconned away the horrible Sins Past retcon by revealing that Gwen and Norman's supposed children were never real and it was all a really convoluted scheme.

In case you can't tell, comics are weird.

>>96314072
He can usually be trusted about stuff like this, he admitted that Aetherdrift and especially Murders at Karlov Manor underperformed, and that March of the Machine: Aftermath and Unfinity were complete failures.

>>96312203
>EOE is doing alright I suppose
>but OY VEY have I told you how many shekels the FF has made me?
I hate Nosewater.

>>96309533
The UB frame was generally disliked.

>>96314121
He's mentioning FF because the person asking the question brought it up, and he's basically saying FF is doing absurdly well, and EOE, by comparison, is still doing really good.

>>96314085
Retcons are necessary to a point but it's funny how some shit just gets retconned for no real reason because, I guess, writers and/or editorial get into fights about things.
But god forbid they retcon the most reviled Spider-Man story of all time, no, we HAVE to have Peter Parker selling his marriage to the devil enshrined for all eternity.

>>96314142
ONE
MORE
DAY

this game is shit.
SHIT

>>96314014
I definitely prefer DFT overall compared to OJT, but it still came off as a pretty big mess. The biggest issue in terms of limited was that most of the archetypes never got to shine because WotC seems fixated on trying to make 10 factions in one-set environments (see MKM as well). I think the set being centered around a silly race rather than something at least a bit more grounded, or at least closer to times of medieval Magic (not saying OTJ was, but people probably received the world that way) was probably why people hate it more.
>it was a Western set that utterly refused to actually engage with the Western genre in any way at all besides High Noon.
The worst part is most people probably didn't even care about that. The only Westerns people my age (Zoomers) are familiar with, assuming they weren't raised on the classics, are Django Unchained and maybe Rango. Everything else to them are artificial tropes that they have very little knowledge of outside what they've probably seen in cartoons or maybe that one guy from Overwatch.

>>96310346
Spot on. In the past two years, MKM/OTJ/DFT/EOE were all complete duds, and people just move on and forgive them because hey it's only 1 set, we have Return to Beloved Plane But With Way More Gay BIPOCs This Time to look forward to.

>>96314342
Just play Premodern and have fun again.

I really do love how WotC was just like,
>"Pioneer? Yeah, whatever. Let it rot lol."

>>96311065
I wish it was JC Avatar, we'd be getting cute blue jungle girl card art instead of this ultrasanitized Nick Kids shit

>>96314342
YoU aRe FrEe To LeAvE iF tHiS gAmE iS nOt FoR yOu

I just shit my pants, decks for this feel?

>>96314504
Spiderman Spongebob

How can you not like blocks but visit three different outside IPs every single year besides the usual sets? That pure madness to me

>>96314560
Pretty sure people that say they hated blocks are WotC shill operatives. I feel the same about people that say "uh MtGs story was always weak so that means it's fine if it becomes Spongebob vs Darth Vader"

>>96314560
can I not hate both of these things?

>>96314400
I want Pioneer back so bad man… I really hope they not only bring the competitive scene back i want fucking bans and unbans three of each.

>>96314602
I don't have any insider info, but I think it's fair to assume we'll have at least one RC season and one PT in 2026, the problem is that they could just put it at the end of the year

3-set blocks generally had issues but so do our current system. The correct solution is to just do one-offs plus occasional 2-set blocks that are thematically tied together but different like ONE/MOM or Lorwyn/Shadowmoor. That way you can both tell a story and not be stuck in a single plane forever.

>>96309563
We could probably pool our money and buy the MetaZoo IP.

>>96314628
>Lorwyn/Shadowmoor
Lorwyn had 2 sets: Lorwyn + Morningtide
Shadowmoor had 2 sets: Shadowmoor + Eventide

We can argue that LorwynVsShadowmoor was so diferent that it could be 2 different settings but in the end of the day it was ultimately a 4 sets block...
But I agree with you: 2 set blocks would be way better than what we have now. I wish they did 2 set blocks + 1 standalone set instead of what we have now (Also Fuck AVENGERS and MCU inspired plots and releases)

We should have had 2 sets of Kaldheim telling its story with the cards instead of story articles with XIR/XER writers. We should have had 2 sets of Eldraine, 2 sets of Nu Capenna, and 2 sets of Bloomburrow.

>>96314668
>had 2 sets of Eldraine
fuck no

>>96314342
DUEL DECKS: NADU VS VIVI

We already had two sets of Eldraine, are you people stupid?

>>96314668
Nah, all of these are one-offs. Kaldheim just flat out isn't interesting at all, there's not much to squeeze out of Bloomburrow beyond the simple Redwall-esque adventure we had without it being repetitive, and Capenna was fine as single set. Hell, BLB was clearly struggling for shit to fill space. And honestly I have never given a shit about Eldraine lol
>(Also Fuck AVENGERS and MCU inspired plots and releases)
what does this even mean.

>>96314360
MKM wasn't faction-focused, though? The factions showed up, but it wasn't about Ravnica's factions.

>>96314367
>EOE
>Dud
Okay man.

>>96314690
>are you people stupid?

>asking magic players if they're stupid

>>96314668
I'm not proposing 2-set blocks. I'm proposing 2-set blocks and one-offs as needed and when the setting can warrant it. There's not enough in Duskmourn for 2 sets, but maybe you could do Bloomburrow 1-2 with introducing the Valley, causing some event that breaks the isolation or forces the folk to explore beyond, and then a second set with the wastes beyond. Like, you can't just have every plane be a 2-set block, most of them aren't fit for it; even most planes that are full of content work better with a pseudo block like Brother's War/Dominaria United where we just stay there for a while instead of necessarily doing a "block." Like if we had Edge of Eternities, then a set exploring the Chaos Wall instead of just doing Sothera again.

>>96314710
Maybe it wasn't, I wasn't playing the game when it came out. I was more trying to say that it had way more multicolored cards than any of the other sets (DFT only had 43), and even if most of those were rares, it still restricts a lot of what can be done in limited, unless you want people to be able to splash just to play all of them.

>>96314734
Well, I think we CAN do two sets in a row on the same plane, but personally I think that's kind of uninteresting for the idea of what Magic's in-universe sets are. Duskmourn, awkward as it was, was fun to constrast against Bloomburrow before it.

>>96311963
Instead of having 3 sets of 300+ cards with the few good card ideas sprinkled across them, it's better to have just one set with a higher concentration of useable cards and cut back on the filler.

Is mono green stompy still a relevant pauper deck?

>>96311963
When a set sucked, a full block of it was pain. It's the equivalent of what's happening now in between Edge of Eternities and Lorwyn. Just waiting for the trash to end.

When a set was good, you were forced to play it over and over again forever and it got boring. And each new set in that block would either dilute the old good set (So you're just playing the same thing for the 50th time but worse) or it'd be something you're interested in but THAT would be very diluted (So you're playing the same thing when you want to actually check out the new cards)

People that want blocks back are either retarded or were just genuinely not there. Or they don't draft. Enough with this block nostalgia revisionism.

who even buys the new sets anymore? i really don't understand who these people are considering massive set sales don't translate at all into lgs foot traffic. are they just hoarding sealed boxes as an investment?

>>96315029
the fed buys magic cards to use as kindling for white folks medicaid applications

>>96315029
FF slop was the fullest I've seen my LGS be in half a decade.

>>96315041
Let me guess, 80% new players that the LGS will never see again?

>>96315052
I dunno. I didn't recognize all that many people there in the EoE prerelease, but that was healthy as well so I don't think the LGS is complaining either ways.

The shadow of UB has been hanging over these threads for the past year, but I think that outside of UB, MTG has been pretty good for the most part.
Edge of Eternities, Duskmourn, Tarkir. You just have to pretend Aetherdrift and Murder didn't happen.

>>96315052
When I was doing Duskmourn sealed, there was this really dorky girl that was enjoying herself but she let it slip while we were playing that she hoped that the next set was Bloomburrow 2. I didn't have the heart to tell her that she'd have to wait 3 years, at least.

>>96315080
>When I was doing Duskmourn sealed, there was this really dorky girl that was enjoying herself but she let it slip while we were playing that she hoped that the next set was Bloomburrow 2. I didn't have the heart to tell her that she'd have to wait 3 years, at least.
Clearly, the path to capture the female demographic is kpop.

>>96315029
Every time there's a prerelease on at my LGS all of the players in the photos they publish are people I don't recognise, meaning they are EDHonlies. The handful that I do recognise are competitive grinders, and even then those are only <5 out of ~40+.

what happened to the spiderman spoilers? why'd they just stop and move on to avatar?

If I cast Highway Robbery I assume I dont have to discard a card if it gets countered, correct?
If Grab the Prize gets countered tho, do I have to discard a card or is the additional cost associated with its effect and so it doesnt triggers since it wasnt cast?

>>96315097
The slop is moving at incredible speed and the spoilers need to be on par with the latest FOMO

>>96315097
quiet racist

>>96315103
>If I cast Highway Robbery I assume I dont have to discard a card if it gets countered, correct?
The discard/sac occurs once the spell resolves, so you won't have the opportunity to do that if the spell gets countered.
>If Grab the Prize gets countered tho, do I have to discard a card or is the additional cost associated with its effect and so it doesnt triggers since it wasnt cast?
The cost is paid when the cast the spell, so you will have to discard a card even if it gets countered.

>>96315177
I see. I wasnt sure because the aditional cost is part of the textbox, but it makes sense.
Thanks anon.

>>96315097
Spider-Man spoiler season hasn't actually started. It was early previews, first looks, and the entire welcome decks getting spoiled. Avatar just had its first look and will get nothing until spoiler season.

>>96315275
For context, the debut is the 29th, the previews go from the 1st to the 5th of September.

>spiderman
Not Magic the Gathering. It's Universes Within.

>>96314789
15 of those cards were intended to be played more liberally. Dogwalkers was easily played in any deck that had at least red or white.

>>96315097
Those were store previews to convince stores to buy the product. In the olden days these would be secret but some store would leak the cards so WotC decided to just reveal them.

>Avatar CBB fomo prices already surpass Spiderfag
Surely there are more spandex losers out? I refuse to believe people like the Avatar universe after Korra.

>>96315080
True story: I’m a female player who only plays on arena. Bloomburrow is the only set I have gone to a prerelease for IRL in years.

I’d do it again for Bloomburrow 2 and maybe a few UB properties. Elder Scrolls or Elden Ring would get me

Funnily enough a lot of the sets you guys didn’t like were good to draft. Karlov Manor was a unique and fun draft format. I’m glad I’m limited only

>>96315080
Bloomburrow is the best set they've done in years from a thematic perspective
>Immune to DEI
>High fantasy
>Original setting, nothing lorebreaking
>Minimal (no?) reference to a poorly written overarching storyline with Gatewatch, Bolas, Eldrazi etc
>Squirrels being death shamans or whatever appeals to edge
>Appeals to furfags, Redwall nostalgia, women, normal people people who like fantasy - everyone can enjoy it

Mechanically it still has some flaws, but every set does
>Still too many legendaries
>Parasitic tribal mechanics

>>96315555
Avatar the last air bender = good
Kora shit = slop
I don't see any kora shit.

Retard here 2 questions:

I can only play online sadly cause i work shift and want to get into magic, is arena or mtgo the thing most people play?
I just downloaded arena but wanted to be sure.
Also regarding arena if its that the go to thing: Is draft the best to play if i just enjoy opening new cards and building new decks most of the time without whaling?

TIL Saddle is a thing. It works just like Crew, but because 'crew' didnt fit well for animal mounts they made a new keyword just for that.

>>96306421
Mark Rosewater is basically saying he doesn't care what you naysayers think as long as these low hanging fruit appeals to pop culture sets keep printing money. Read between the lines. I cashed out of the game in 2015 abd I'mglad I did. I don't have a horse in this race, but it's astounding how shamelessly fan servicey and woke this game has become.

>>96315687
>Hey should we look into new design space for this new mechanic?
>PFFF, NAH

>>96315687
It's not crew though? Stuff with saddle are already creatures, and saddle only gives a bonus when attacking. It's actually enlist, if anything.

>>96306604
>another legendary creature...
So I get that they kind of forced a few extra galdalfs into lotr, but does this set contain anything except legendaries?

>>96306809
>Netflix
>gay and disappointing
Are you surprised?

i love this art
karn looks like a fucking freak

>Bolas
>Gay
I'm not surprised.

>>96316211
The hybrid animals to fill green such as the earthbending badgermoles.

there's no fucking way wotc will let standard sit at 50% cauldron all the way to november

>>96316423
We're outside the emergency ban window. There won't be bans.
They established quarterly ban announcements due to pressure from shareholders to not cause instability. It's not changing.

>>96316423
We have six weeks until a new set prints an answer to the cauldron.

Nadu and Vivi in a Cauldron
URG
Creatures you control have "0: Add X mana of any combination of U R or G where X is ~'s power. Look at the top X cards in your deck then put them into you hand (this isn't a draw). You may play X extra lands this turn. Activate this ability only twice each turn."

>>96316657
No Flying???
No counters + ping when you cast a spell???????????????????????

TQ:
anything but this pathetic spaceniggery. fucking trannies and their bbc cuckold fantasies.

I can’t even begin to describe how deeply phoned in and lazy the flavor text is on this set

>>96314953
Surely there’s a way to visit new planes and tell stories that don’t magically resolve themselves in the same set besides an old block schedule or dumb shit like aftermath being a separate product. Hell with the current release schedule you probably wouldn’t even care if we went back to 3 set blocks.

>>96306649
please understand small studio and multi year dev cycle they can't even playtest for standard with how much design work they're doing, this thing it takes a lot of time.

>>96306846
Good to know that overseas fans are just as (un)excited about 6 sets per year as we are.

>>96316657
It should instead be "Look at the top X cards in your deck then put any of them into you hand" That way can continuously dig through your deck without milling out.

>>96316739
Between the reminder text and being an uncommon, there's not much room for much else. Not including a reference to it when the card is explicitly a reference would feel off.

The thing I don't like is that "Fire Nation Attacks" sounds awkward and "The Fire Nation Attacks" is more accurate to the line.

>>96306846
I wonder what lessons Wotc will learn from the Avatar set selling in Japan since it's not popular over there.

>>96316958
I remember earlier this year the the show got attack as woke by the Japanese side of twitter.
They criticized the artstyle for being ugly and they appear to hate baldness.

I'm only really interested in Final Fantasy cards and am unlikely to buy any other set (unless another of my special interests crosses over), can I realistically play standard and have a fun time, or should I stick to commander?

>>96317081
The Mono green chocobos deck seem to use only FF cards. Commander seems more casual friendly.

>>96317081
MTG is not worth it.

>>96317081
this is the worst time to get into mtg. prices are sky high, wotc/hasbro are more arrogant than ever and are likely to look for more ways to milk the whales.

Ban Cutter and Vivi in Pioneer faggots!!!
Is fucking insufferable with arcanist is worse than Phoenix…

Please sir...
Please lorwyn...

>>96317413
Just wait another week

>>96307149
>>96306565
If you think pauper draws are bad, you don't want to see what pre-creature powercreep pauper was like.
Also, play faster shitters ;^)

>>96317432
It has been 20 years m'lord...
Just one crumb of oonussy...

From what I've heard (and I'm not an expert...)
If you make a purchase and pay for it with dollars, it is taxed and should leave a paper trail.
But if you trade collectible cards to someone, let's say a 10,000 cards, it's not. You are just playing with cards.

If a criminal organization, some rich investor guy or a corporation tries to move 100,000 dollars through customs, they'll be stopped.
If the same organization, or etc, sends someone with 10,000 Pokémon/mtg cards, each worth ~$10, through customs, they won't be stopped.

Trading card companies are basically just about printing shadow money for criminal use.
Making trading cards should be strictly illegal and any trading of them should be taxed more heavily than any real money.

If you hold any trading cards, just know this: any value those cards you have is generated by drug cartels chopping off heads and spilling blood, and vice versa any value you give those cards is enabling and empowering those cartels to gut more people in the streets (and rich corporates to dodge taxes)

To me, your collection is blood money.

>>96317455

Actual brainlet moment huh?

>>96314668
New setting: two sets
Returns: one set
Gimmick (strixhaven, duskmourn or outlaws): one set

>>96317483
I would be very fine with Duskmourn being 3 sets. Same with Strix, i really think the plane has potential for a "Rival Schools war" stuff.

>>96317435
>Teachings unironically trying to deck people out
>By having them draw slowly but surely
>Fucking tortex playing that centaur to avoid deck out
>All blue decks playing curse of the bloody tome
>2 power is the best threat in the format
>None of this matters because le funny bug man and his groupies buttfuck you 7 out of 10 games

>>96317455
not sure if elaborate troll or an actual shizo

remember when people complained about hat sets and wotc replaced them with ub lol

>>96316739
their embracing the memes and this was the correct choice imo

Lands add a lot to the game but losing multiple games in a row to flood really creates a uniquely terrible experience. It makes me wonder if there is some way to have lands but not this. Maybe a separate lands deck or deck types that only get a certain amount of lands IDK

Blocs consistently failed and produced some of the worst sets of all time like dragon's maze

>>96317769
Yeah,Sis! Blocks dead was great just look at the state of the game now! Half UB slop half hat sets! All of them with mechanics that will never see the light of the sun again and without nothing in common!

Thank god blocks died!

>>96317839
There isn't a single UB set that is as bad as Dragon's Maze. Not even one. If you dislike UB that's fine but blocks were bad

Dragon's Maze is b-ACK!

>>96314907
Broadly I agree. I don't really feel spending two sets in the same plane is something you should do without a reason; I was using Brother's War as an example because it's very recognizably *different* from Dominaria United while still sharing space with it; that "pseudo-block" structure feels better to me as opposed to the Ixalan/Kaladesh/etc. "introduce a plane in the first set, then have changes happen in the second" 2-set structure.

>get a Sliver deck as a gift
>it's the precon, but it got some upgrades (e.g. Overlord, Hivelord, First, and Legion), but nothing insane like the one ring, tutors, etc
>go to play
>people refuse to play because "Slivers are toxic"
As someone who doesn't have a ton of experience with commander, is this a typical reaction? Are Slivers that bad?

>>96318150
Slivers are a deathball where it's easy for someone to run away with the game if they're not paid attention to, but there's nothing really wrong with them, no.

>>96318182
I just thought they were neat due to their "everybody gets every ability" gimmick. Some of them look like obnoxious little shits to deal with (e.g. crystalline giving everyone shroud), I guess. I also got the new EoE thrumming hivepool card from prerelease, so I can slap that in the deck. Other than the usual suspects like the one ring, tutors, etc, are there any other cards I should be looking out for to upgrade the deck?

>>96318150
For Cummander questions go to Cummander general, anon, here slivers are fun but weak

>>96318209
Time to copy/paste over there then.

>>96316423
What's the matter you mentally ill incel? Don't you like when we're FLOURISHING?

>>96318150
If someone tells you that slivers are toxic you can safely assume that 1) they started playing 3 years ago tops 2) they suck at the game.
Oh, since you're playing cuckmander, there's no real reason to not proxy everything besides being frowned upon by your sweaty big bang theory "friends", commander is a retarded format that's like a woman, you should not take it seriously and if you do anything that comes after that it's 100% your responsibility, goole or look up on 4plebs that chart with the 10 commander powerlevels (the official wizards table they made is retarded wrong and useless) and learn how to tune your deck according to their powerlevels so you don't stomp them and have a bullseye on your head, it will take some time since understanding the design behind this game takes a lot of math and experience.
Long story short, proxy everything and always only buy singles, never ever buy sealed product since it's designed to always make you lose money no matter what.

>>96317987
I do, ironically, think MKM could've done with a two-block thing. One set to focus more on the mysterious goings-on, and then the next to actually be about what the fuck was going on.
Though that's just SOI block again isn't it.

>>96318510
>6 months of MKM
Yeah… No. Just No.

>>96318578
In this scenario it's more "hey a weirdly high number of high-profile murders are happening in Ravnica" instead of "and here's the DETECTIVE ARMY".

>4 Nadu decks
>3 One Ring decks
>1 UB Reanimator
remember before Oops when everyone was crying about Nadu and One Ring? then we just lost Mycospawn and Troll instead?
maybe they were onto something.

>>96316888
>>96317725
The better way to go about this is to just not have flavor text. There’s “embracing a meme” mechanically and then just going “hey guys look I said the thing”
Cabbage guy losing his cabbages when you get hit is funny. They didn’t need to layer anything else on.

>>96318204
The gimmick is exactly why they're a deathball; even the most irrelevant Sliver can end the game if you drop the right sliver, and they stack stupidly well with each other. It's just people not running enough removal, being BTFO and then bitching about it.

What should happen for Standard to be fixed? What are they waiting for considering these is even a worse “Cutter situation”?

They actually neglected the rest of formats and Standard keeps being shit what’s the point?

>>96318853
Honestly I feel MKM could have pulled off a detective mystery in one set. If it was up to me I'd shelve the Detective type entirely and make them all Advisors. Then I'd go with "a bunch of guild high ups die" but make it people who ACTUALLY MATTER. Zegana was fine, Xylox literally did not exist before lol and fucking Teysa? Teysa of the ghost guild died, whoop dee doo. Essentially, plot would go:
>guild high ups meet in the Karlov mansion to discuss [insert phyrexian ivasion falloff]
>kill one classic character for every guild but the Orzhov and make them a target of suspicion, ghost magic mysteriously not working
>every guild ia squabbling about this and cant cooperate so they all send a detective
>this way there's grounds to reference every type of detective fiction
>Proft is the Azorius detective, classic pipe-smoking analytical sleuth
>Massacre Girl is the Rakdos detective, method is "stab all the suspects, that way we'll get the killer one way or another"
>they're forced to work together for the case
there

Some Avatar stuff for the Beginner Box was revealed because turns out a first look isn't actually a first look. Enjoy scouring IGN's dogshit site. https://www.ign.com/articles/avatar-the-last-airbender-magic-the-gathering-beginner-box-card-reveal-spoilers

>>96319025
>Sokka getting high off his ass from cactus juice is a lesson: to not drink cactus juice
Lol

>>96319025
creative bankruptcy

>>96319025
>Quench quench quench!!!
Shut the fuck up what a hideous design seriously

>>96319118
sokkan deez nuts

Almost quaint nowadays.

Exhaust is back (according to Maro when it was revealed they figured it was deciduous already anyway).

Aang's start-of-series main set card, does... About what you'd expect I guess.

Good morning, I hate EDH.

mana rock

>>96319356
Exhaust is a shit mechanic what the hell MaRo…

A Lesson card showing a Lesson Aang pointedly does not actually follow.

>>96319386
>>96319388
lol

Oh hey, cute reprint.

They did in fact say the thing. One of the things, at least.

>>96319424
it was reprinted in snc

I guess the Lesson here is "bitches be crazy"?

>>96319173
>>96319202
It's a quote from the show, you dumbasses.

Speaking of dumb show quotes.

Is Lesson without Learn what of the most stupid shit WotC has done in the recent sets?

>>96319439
This particular bitch be crazy

>>96319455
I mean one would assume learn will also be in in the set.

>>96319455
Not at all. It's fine.

>>96319397
Except... he does? That's literally the season 2 climax, him following it.

>>96319462
They specifically said it's not, only Lessons-matter cards are. The upcoming return to Strixhaven set might have Learn though.

>>96319462
Will be not said by JOTC.

>>96319432
>Land animation on a mono-B card

>>96319025
>Lessons are back
one of the GOAT Limited mechanics
we're in for another 10/10 on the level of FF
UB is the best thing to happen to the game in years

>>96319528
Lessons are back but no Learn.

>>96319528
I can't tell how sarcastic you're being, but there's no Learn, so the Lesson type is just there for a couple Lessons Matter cards until Strixhaven 2.

>>96319535
that's fucking stupid
Strixhaven barely had the colour balance to be a functional set but Learn was such a god tier draft mechanic that it made it an all-timer.
Learn might even be the greatest draft mechanic ever (p1p1 a manafixing card for your sideboard and feel good about it) how could they make a Lesson set without it, what a waste.

>>96319592
It at least allows them make the lessons stronger for constructed.

>>96319645
Raid seems to be the Black-Red draft archetype.

>>96319645
What is wrong with this art, it looks ok but my brain says it's dogshit.

>>96319662
Heartless Act reprint.

ok but spider man?

>>96319689
REPRINT FATAL PUSH
REPRINT SWORD TO PLOWSHARES
REPRINT MENTAL MISSTEPS
THOSE ARE THE REPRINTS WE NEED FUCKERS!!!!!

>>96319025
The website and cards are terrible.

ok but spider man?

>>96319826
Wait one month.

>Spidershit not even out
>We already now half of Fagatar
What a ridiculous world we live in

Please stop with the slop.
Please.

I like these Avatar cards.

>>96319825
Interesting card.

>>96319986
Powercrept the mummy pilot

>>96319986
tendrils on a stick

I thought these were all custom card spam before double take

>>96319689
Too bad everything and its mother shits out +1/+1 counters. Literally can't even kill a Vivi unless the opponent tapped out to cast it.

>>96319704
Even in MtG, Water Tribe women are the best

Another exhaust ability.

>>96320009
More powercreep.

>>96320109
Reach on red?

Lorwyn's getting its First Look next month, on the day Spider-Man releases.

>>96319834
Oh hey, they actually put them in the set.

>>96320149
yeah?

>>96320149
Been a thing for a while now.

>>96320149
It's first and foremost an Archer ability.

>>96319786
Main set cards part 1

>>96320149
>>96320176
I don't think I ever realized it, but I guess red is the secondary color for reach, white being tertiary. Weird.

>>96320199
I think technically every colour CAN have reach, it's just most non-Green colours would get flying instead. Blue CAN have reach, it just often has no reason to.

>>96320195
Part 2

>>96320220
>Ozai's Cruelty being a Lesson
That's pretty good.

>>96317712
It's a real thing.

https://otakuusamagazine.com/former-executive-says-how-the-yakuza-use-pokemon-to-launder-money/
North American crime uses MTG and sports cards as well.

teased artwork for Sozin's comet. bet it's going to be a Furnace of Rath effect

>>96319645
shit flavor
character was straight WB
ability should've been some tax or even discard synergy

>>96320294
honestly with the fire nation's thing being "on-attack, do a ritual" it might be red High Tide

No Captive Flame reprint/powercreep print?

>>96320199
>>96320220
Based on these cards here are the trends I noticed.
A lot of creatures have activate abilities probably due to Firebending.
Themes in each color
W-Cares about lessons and allies
U-Cares about lessons and untaps cards for waterbending.
B-Cares about +1/+1 counters and sacrifices both creatures and artifacts.
R-The firebenders have activated abilities so attacking counts like a discount so the firebending ability isn't always useless.
G-Cares about Allies and power 4 or greater.

Seems like GW will be the allies archetype and BG the +1/+1 counters archetype.

>>96320354
Nope too powerful. Seems like they want this to be slower draft. Red rewards attacking yet can still activate its abilities if it holds back.

>>96320311
>Sozin's Comet
>Legendary Sorcery
>Until end of turn, whenever you would add [R], add an additional {R}.

>>96320294
It should be a ritual, but they're cowards

>>96320385
That's a Jumpstart card, not a main set one.

i miss the simple broken cards like dark ritual. there's something real irksome about a card that's only broken because it has 10 lines of text

>>96320547
If Captive Flame can't be in Jumpstart then it won't be in the main set as it is more powerful in limited.

>Prerelease Packs for Magic: The Gathering | Avatar: The Last Airbender will feature one of five iconic characters: Aang, Katara, Azula, Zuko, or Toph, each with a seeded booster tailored to that character.

WotC turns prerelease into Commander and you sheeple are fucking asleep.

>>96320650
>>96320650
>>96320650

>>96319704
Is this a common or uncommon?

>>96320777
Common. C means common & U is uncommon.

>>96320803
thanks

>>96317455
Most 'collectors' (not only TCG, usually its art pieces) use it for money laundering and thats pretty obvious.