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Do they have it? edition

>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
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>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
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https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Card search
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>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

>TQ
Have you ever tried playing in those so called cEDH pod?

>Have you ever tried playing in those so called cEDH pod?
cEDH pre the partner precon was pretty fun, post the partner precon it steadily got less and less fun. It wasn't even the partners themselves, although they did make a huge splash, the game fundamentally changed after c18 and frankly I wanted nothing to do with it.

>TQ
yes, and banning dockside, jewlotus and crypt were a net detriment to the scene; it's a midrange hell right now dominated by blue farm

>>96330764
>playing sweaty in a casual format created by judges in their off time judging competitive matches is hell
no...

Nah, if I wanted to be a incredibly competitive pay to win (print to win) loser I'd just play legacy or vintage

>>96330741 (OP)
>Have you ever tried playing in those so called cEDH pod?
I used to have a bugswatter designed explicitly to tunnel cEDH players out of a pod and hand the win over to some hapless retard, but that's become less necessary as time has gone on.

>Have you ever tried playing in those so called cEDH pod?
Regularly. I will echo >>96330762 and say that partner commanders made it thoroughly aids, the best games are the ones without the copy and pasted tymna/thrasios decks.

And >>96330764 for banning lotus/crypt being a good thing. Someone popping lotus and playing a 4 drop commander, or even a 5 drop w/ Sol Ring/Ancient Tomb was so much momentum that the board would rarely catch up and the game would be over in minutes.

>>96330764
>it's a midrange hell right now dominated by blue farm
Sounds more fun that playing "who can loop their commander the fastest".

Why aren't these in every precon

>>96330794
so you buy them on the secondary market which wotc supplies

Can there even be a midrange when games on last 3-4 turns?

>play format about deckbuilding and long games
>remove the deckbuilding and have the games end on turn 3
No, I do not play cEDH.

>>96330783
>Someone popping lotus and playing a 4 drop commander, or even a 5 drop w/ Sol Ring/Ancient Tomb was so much momentum that the board would rarely catch up and the game would be over in minutes.
ngl i'd rather have that than having the game get drawn out
>>96330785
>Sounds more fun that playing "who can loop their commander the fastest".
that's what cedh is right now too; the bans fundamentally changed nothing about the gameplay loop, only that it's now slower and more draw prone

>>96330806
>ngl i'd rather have that than having the game get drawn out
I'm here to play magic, not lotus roulette.

Printing a p9 card "but for commander ;)" is retarded. If they printed "commanders mox sapphire" it'd be aids. I hope it never comes back.

We can all agree that scrying is not as good as drawing, but what if I was playing a U/W Approach of the Second Sun list and every card in the deck scried? At some point it has to start mattering how far down you can go right?
What if I am flickering the equivalent of scry 15 every turn?

>>96330821
>I'm here to play magic, not lotus roulette.
your "taste" has nothing to do with the discussion
magic is a game and some people play games to win - this mentality already filters you btw - and having the game get drawn out is not in those people's interests

>>96330797
Blue Farm, the strongest deck in the format, can pivot towards longer game and have the tools to disrupt turbo style.

>>96330834
If you like lotus/crypt cedh you'll love slots.
Slots is a game and some people play games to win - this mentality already filters you btw - and having the game get drawn out is not in those people's interests.

>>96330834
NTA, but my interest is beating down sweats with jank they’ve never seen or the classics.

>>96330844
Is this Winstar? I love Winstar always hit on the South Park slots

>>96330844
yes, cedh is indeed like slots, the ultimate "do you have it?" bracket; you make this sound like a bad thing
did this wisdom somehow elude you all this time? you speak of things cedh players have already known since its inception

I fucking hate taxes. Faggot tutors for rhystic, others just feed him 5 cards immediately.

>>96330741 (OP)
Yes. If I see someone playing cEDH shit like Ur-Dragon or Krenko I immediately get everyone to gang up on them.

>>96330876
>muh taxes
>whines about tutors and rhystic instead
no, you don't hate taxes
you just hate strong cards

>>96330888
>uses free counterspell

>>96330900
Tax.. not stax you illiterate retard

>>96330908
and?
there is no "tax" theme in edhrec rec, only stax, for a reason

>>96330908
Stax, Tax. What's the difference, guy?

>>96330888
>copy rhystic
>everyone gets mad at me instead of the guy who originally played it
this has happened in more than one game

>>96330945
i mean...

Red pill me on bello. What makes the trash rat so good?

>>96330852
autism

>>96330741 (OP)
>TQ
no but i honestly wouldnt mind trying it

>>96330975
yes and cedh players themselves don't (and can't) deny it, more at 11?

>>96330970
Can you not read his card?
He isn't even slightly complex

>>96330764
Turbo grixis typed this.

>>96330991
no, i've been found out...

who should i build, ive never done an enchantress deck and i like garnet alot but tatsunari lets me play black and im an aristocrats player, but ive seen some weird mutate builds before
fran and balthier seem the most interesting and playing a vehicle deck seems more unique

>>96331010
Go with the car guys

>>96330945
>copy a smothering tithe
>mirrormade a rhystic
>get told my tatsunari deck is too competetive and get asked to change
i miss that pod sometimes

>>96330970
you get to play a fuckton of do nothing enchantments and artifacts but they actually have a body to throw around.

>>96330741 (OP)
cedh is alot of fun, i know its the boogeyman here, but even playing with randoms is fun since everyone is on the same concept instead of someone crying because their kill on sight commander got removed or countered
the cedh players were the only people who welcomed me when i started

>>96331047
>mfw i see an opponent play a fellwar stone

>>96331035
hows tatsunari in most pods?

>>96331044
competitive players don't shun you out for retarded sentiments like muh tutors or muh anticlimactic wincons or muh mld
they might welcome you because they want to pubstomp you to the ground, but at least they won't treat you like the plague

>>96331039
>tutors aren't actually bad for EDH, everyone is already running absurd redundancies for their strategies anyway
For once I agree with him.

>>96331054
bad
BUG enchantress sounds neat in theory but missing white really does just suck and his payoff is meh

>>96331039
kill this mfer already.
holy shit her takes are unreal.

>>96331059
yuriko was the first deck i built, and even with my dogshit ass pure ninja build most people didnt let me play her, then when i started talking to people i joined in on a cedh session when someone let me borrow their cedh yuriko deck and helped me pilot it
cedh is just fun, but i know lots of people here will have a meltdown since any form of removal is tryhard
im just glad i can play magic with my friends and dont have to worry about brackets or other dumb bullshit

>>96330741 (OP)
>Have you ever tried playing in those so called cEDH pod?
Yeah. I used my cEDH deck. It was fun. There weren't any annoying politickers or yappers i hear are always attending the big tournaments. Everyone was cool.

>>96331099
>muh brackets
when you think of brackets like the formats they actually are and ask yourself why people make such a fuss about "bracket 2 power level" pods while at the same time asking why people take draft seriously even though its powerlevel is dogshit the more you'll be fine with the whole idea

>>96331044
>>96331059
CEDH players are all cool in my experience and don't cry or tantrum if you cast interaction or kill their pet cards. It's the reddit people who demand "every deck must do the thing" who always get the saltiest and most butthurt. What they actually mean is "let me win and don't cast interaction on my cards or I'll throw a fit/ be a passive aggressive bitch" for the rest of the night. I have never experienced this butthurt behavior in cedh pods.

>>96331124
anon it cant be fun, people are playing good cards and trying to win, no one could possibly have fun

>>96331133
It's singleton legacy, that's why I love it.

>>96330741 (OP)
What is your favorite white creature? For me, it's Sun Titan.
>Amazing ETB
>trigger on attack
>Vigilance allows you to get the trigger each turn it's up and still defend

I don't think there is a deck that has white in it I don't have it included.

>>96331082
>yeah tutors are fine, people can run multiples of exquisite blood anyway
>oh i need a boardwipe, good thing i have a tutor instead of an exquisite blood copy, haha
trinket's video is for an uber casual audience that don't know how to use tutors correctly

>>96331153
no you love it because it's not a 4x brainstorm meta and you can't admit that brainstorm should've been banned in legacy a long time ago

Having played both, navigating an average board state in EDH requires infinitely more skill than cEDH. The "stack complexity" people love to glaze amounts to knowing when you should pass priority or look out for telegraphed interaction.

cEDH is also much more rote. Players' decks are predictable, and telegraphed by the fact that only a handful of commanders and strategies will ever appear. Casual EDH requires adaptability; you can't study for your match ups like a test.

>>96331164
It's easier to find cEDH games then it is to find legacy games too.

>>96331124
no, cedh players are faggots and the biggest whiny cunts I've ever had the displeasure of meeting.

>runs cedh against casual decks, to win in a social game
>4 person free for all is so fucked competitively, retards poker
>10+ hour games in tournaments
>every deck is almost the same
>half of every decklist has force of will
>will constantly bitch and whine that they didn't draw what they wanted
>the same petty complaining in normal edh, but now they hold priority and call it 'politicing'
>'wah stop forcing me' 'wahh why are you paying my rhystic when he has smothering??'
>thassas oracle is a staple win con that's accepted


>>96331159
>tutors for rhystic, cyclonic rift, or sol ring
>dude its totally strategy!
>I need to answer everything with the best shit!!
>slowly optimizes the fun out of the deck into NPC EDHREC deck #351

there is nothing inherently wrong with tutors, they are extremely powerful, but everyone runs the same overpowered instant speed value tutors and then 2 card combo like faggots. It's less about deck building, and more about people realizing you don't need to build all of these generic decks to play. I don't care for whoever that retard is, but my takeaway from tutors are 'why run something that fetches what I want to do, when I can add a different fun card?'

Noice

>>96330797
This is a meme, turn 3-4 win attempts always get countered or stopped. CEDH right now is a rhystic study midrange value pile slog meta and I agree with the other anon- things were better when dockside was alive. Now the format is built around who can cast the first rhystic study, then copying and stealing that player's rhystic study, and yapping and politicking and gaslighting other players to try and get wins through the value pile slog. CEDH used to be great but tournaments are hell these days.

>>96331198
>>10+ hour games in tournaments
This only happened one time, and it's because everyone involved in that game were massive faggots afraid of stepping on the toes of a magic influencer so they let him yap for hours and hours instead of just telling him to shut the fuck up and play. Unless you're at a tournament with prominent "e-celebrities" in the community, this never happens.

Seems like an infinite somewhere

>>96331044
i also think competitive players are generally a lot more tolerable than "casuals" to play with but the cedh meta just looks so lame it makes not even want to try it

>>96331198
>there is nothing inherently wrong with tutors, they are extremely powerful, but everyone runs the same overpowered instant speed value tutors and then 2 card combo like faggots. It's less about deck building, and more about people realizing you don't need to build all of these generic decks to play. I don't care for whoever that retard is, but my takeaway from tutors are 'why run something that fetches what I want to do, when I can add a different fun card?'
if you watched trinket's video you'll see that he's talking about people who use tutors to get a 2nd copy of their pet combo and don't realize the versatility of tutors
>yes it's a beginner level video all in all, but it is what it is

>>96331224
Just do karmic guide loop bullshit instead if you want to combo in mono white

table got super pissy at me. I thought it was kind of cool

>getting milled out
>have no non-mana rock/land permanents
>recoil+radiate+arcane light house
>everyone discards their board, I have no tokens, so I don't need to discard my entire hand
>play a swamp, reanimate fandaniel
>instantly kill everyone
>'wow, that is the cheapest shit I've ever seen'

>>96330816
I'm really REALLY tempted to just jam my deck full of goodstuff like toski but having synergistic cards is just too fun because they enable all kinds of shenanigans

>>96331292
>play rhystic
>they actually pay for it for once

>>96330741 (OP)
>TQ
Work colleagues do and friend group went into an arms race a year ago so my Karametra deck was modified so it could be high-powered with Karametra at the helm and what my co-workers call ‘fringe’ cEDH when Sisay is run. Overall the deck is mostly fun. Got the SL one despite having the original since 2014 because people always ask me what other creature types Sisay is.

>>96331287
you deserve that win and mill players need every reminder that their wincon is shit

>TQ
Yeah I play cedh with the locals pretty regularly and have been to a few smaller tournaments. Cedh players are the chillest group to play with and the games are interesting 90% of the time with all the interaction and everyone being on the same level. The meta is kind of shit right now with midrange slop like blue farm and thrasios and friends being what you'll usually be against but I like playing turbo decks and the few that are viable are both really strong and require you to use your brain so it's not terrible.
>but muh pub stompers and consult thoracle
"Cedh" pubstompers are usually faggot manchildren who can't hang at the real cedh table. Believe it or not most players dont find stomping your shitpile t2 with a fully tuned rogsi deck fun. Anyone crying about thoracle always out themselves as people who've never played since breach combos are how most games have ended for the past year.

>>96331287
That's a pretty sweet victory actually.

WotC trying to appease the fat granny demographic with this card and Beckett brass is the reason we will only get UB from now on.

>>96331287
Table sounds like they’re pussies. Most people I play with would be impressed with winning the game from the brink of defeat like that.

>>96331375
Admiral Brass is at least really cool though.

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

Getting really desperate for those removals in monored.

>>96331398
pirates are cool, brass herself isn't

>>96331406
red isn't a removal color in edh, but it should be a land hater and yet it's so stymied
mld aside, undercosted beaters that exile/hate on lands would give red a "hatebears" identity to them but ofc wotc is slow (or unwilling) to pull the trigger

>>96331404
Do you have any research to support your statement?

>>96330741 (OP)
>Have you ever tried playing in those so called cEDH pod?
That's where I mostly play these days. It was a refreshing feeling when everyone was acting chill and not throwing any tantrums when something slightly detrimental happened to them

>>96331435
it's /edhg/'s worst (and only) ritualpost

>>96331445
Well it's hard to ritualpost about gay bolas after that actually got put into the story (god bless that anon)

>>96331406
>destroy artifact
>destroy artifact
>destroy artifact
>destroy artifact
>destroy artifact
There you go.

>>96331398
Unsinkable has a cool effect and I like Admiral Beckett Brass's look. Would have liked if Unsinkable had an alt art as good as Admiral's. Shame her set's alt art was just trash all around. Even worse than the piss rares of Aetherdrift.

>>96331445
Even if he's a ritual poster, he can still answer me, can't he?

>>96331202
>creature with spy kit has its own name twice
>death

>>96331404
20 life > 30 life > 40 life

>>96331406
>>96331462

>>96331517
I love this goat. Sure I didn't win the game, but I made sure the Kaalia player lost first.

>>96331535
skip.
i dont play cards depicting black "people".

>>96331561
>poormans craterhoof
ok bracket 2 hero

>>96331568
Chill there crusaderbro.

>>96331573
Ibex is more expensive than Craterhoof

>>96331584
Isn’t that because like a lot of unique C15 cards it hasn’t been reprinted? I remember Arachnogenesis hitting something like $90 before it got its reprint.

>>96331561
neat
>>96331584
damn

>>96331611
Pretty much. It got a reprint in Aetherdrift, but it was in the special guest art slot so that didn't really do much.

>>96331624
>special guest art slot
I’m really glad Arachnogenesis and Song of the Dryads got their normal reprints before special guest became a thing because I fear this is how they’ll do reprints people actually want from now on.

>>96331573
>ok bracket 2 hero
Yes actually my group aims to make decks that are Bracket 2. If someone makes a deck that wins to much against pre cons that deck is deemed a failure and in need of a rework or scrapping depending on how good it is. So we tend to stay away cards that are seen as to good.

In this instant I was out of town and playing with a different group. Having only my Bracket 2 decks against their proclaimed Bracket 4 decks. Had an enhancement that gave me haste out, then tossed down Ibex, with my commander of Godzilla, and suddenly everything was punching for an extra 7 with trample and the Kaalia player had to take 42 damage after all his blockers. In that scenario the goat was better then hoof.
I still lost though. Just saying I love that goat.

>>96331682
sounds like ludokino

>>96330830
scrying more than 2 is seriously pretty good, even 2 is fine

>>96331624
Not only that, that art is fucking horrid so no one wants it anyway.

>Want to run Vandalblast
>Very few artifact decks
>Two of the most popular artifacts have indestructible printed on them for free
>Alternative being considered is Suplex
>Which in itself suffers from being sorcery-locked spot removal
>and being a Bolt in a world every fucking creature has 4 toughness
>Don't have space for both
>Just end up feeling angry about how removal isn't keeping up with how ridiculous threats are now and I'm forced to choose between two options with massive blindspots because nothing covers both

>>96331743
use Scrap Mastery

>>96331743
anzrag's rampage, structural assault

Surveil > Scry

>>96331682
holy retard, cool blog post.
2bad i cant upvooote

>>96331766
>Lists 2 destroy cards, therefore not actually fixing the issues Vandalblast has

>>96331763
Won't work for this case, but I appreciate the effort anon.

>>96331782
I wish I could help more, but I wanna sing the praises of Scrap Mastery just a little more. Living Death is already a way to fuck up anyone who isn't planning for it, and I've seen it trade out Blightsteels for Commander's Spheres, so it's about when you play it. Granted, Sorc Speed sucks, but what can ya do.

>>96331794
Will never be powercrept.

>>96331782
cast into the fire

>>96331799
ISILDUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRR

>>96331682
>playing bracket 2
ngmi

>>96331682
>playing bracket 2
gmi

why the fuck did wizards remove nagas, viashino, cephalids etc and now they add fucking lemurs and something called a drix which is it??????????? too many creature types is bad or not?????

>>96332010
uh
uh
shut the fuck up fascist! SHUT THE FUCK UP AND BUY THE FAGGOT CARDS!

I'm new, recently bought the Final Fantasy 6 precon.
Is it an unusually complex deck?

It's feels like a Rube Goldberg machine of tons of moving parts, each turn can become so long that I sometimes feel like I'm the only person getting to play.
Meanwhile my friend's FF7 precon seems to boil down to "hurr durr put big wepan on Cloud and smash"

>>96332010
too many creature types are bad
human dwarf elf orc
fighter rogue wizard cleric
nothing else

>>96332025
Out of those precons, the XIV and VI ones are kind of unfocused. Precons these days are a bit too complex for new players (which is stupid for multiple reasons) but actual player made decks can be many orders of magnitude more complex, and Magic is a complex game on it's own

>>96332010
Sneed

>>96332061
this can not be just a beast because..? think of the avatar fans there would be outrage!!

>>96332061
Feed and seed!

HEHEHE

>>96332082
playing UN is even a greater offence than playing UB.

>>96332010
>>96332061
>>96332066

>>96330945
I say everyone gets one but the player that cast it

>>96332082
is there a creature that can go to 11 power and have double strike with embiggen?

>>96332187
I can't think of anything with more than 5 types but of course the creature itself also matters

>not a GC
ok

>>96332230
>Mono red mass exile
what a color pie break

>>96332230
Oh hey that thing only costs like 2 dollars, i think I'm about to waste some people's time.

>>96332230
falls under MLD, why do you retards do this all the time?

>>96332230
Because when you managed to resolve that you had already won

>>96332352
I love oblivion ring so much bros

What commander, what gameplan, and, most importantly, what scryfall searches should I peruse if I want to have a cute girls tribal?

>>96332264
It's because mtg isnt a game, its an exercise in angle shooting

>>96332408
There are a bunch of waifu decks, ur probably much better off scouring finished decks rather than doing original legwork.

>>96331406
Bad player. Red can remove creatures PW and artifacts. You just need to get creative for enchantments, which is the one thing this card doesnt hit lol. What you posted is literally a card you play on yourself

>>96331682
>Yes actually my group aims to make decks that are Bracket 2. If someone makes a deck that wins to much against pre cons that deck is deemed a failure and in need of a rework or scrapping depending on how good it is. So we tend to stay away cards that are seen as to good.
All of this was entirely irrelevant and no one cares about your grandstanding please fucking die

>>96332439
>Red can remove creatures PW and artifacts
and.... LANDS!
anyway, you got chaos warp, chaotic transformation, zoyowa's justice, wild-magic surge, etc.....

I literally have no idea what the difference between a bracket 3 and bracket 2 deck is unless the deck is a precon so I just say all my decks are 3 (they are synergistic and budget, definitely not 4)

>First ability is a way to a cool way to make big mana
>Second ability is a spin-the-wheel type mana sink that also wins the game with inf mana
>"wait... why does this seem so familiar?"

It's like they made a dark version of Kinnan. Hilarious how the abilities match the design perfectly but changed into Rakdos flavor.

>>96332453
vibes

>>96331743
>dont have space for both
Yes you do.

>>96332469
>gives you mana for sacing a creature
>then gives you your opponents top card for free
what?

I fucking loathe precons all the discourse is around precons. What precon should I get? How should I upgrade X precon? Y precon was spoiled, seems pretty cool! Precon precon precon. Fucking build your own deck, that's at least half the fun of the fucking game

>>96332453
>downgrade my $400 bracket 3 xenagos to $200 bracket 2 because a friend believed it was too strong
>tested it yesterday
>literally no difference
all I did was remove the game changers, most tutors and most untapped dual lands.

>>96332487
Basically if your deck has good removal and synergy and card draw it's strong, GC or not? That's what I fell like is the case. And if it starts doing things earlier, the faster it is, then it seems stronger.

>>96332010
Symbiotes could have easily been alien ooze but I also think it's really funny how Wotc makes a big show of respecting cultures and peoples and they turn around and go "okay lizard"
>That's not a real race bro
True but these are also the types that insist hot women on cardboard or triumph of ferocity will cause abuse of women

>>96332504
It's like how they made space marines into astartes warrior instead of just... human? mutant? warrior? soldier? That was like the first sign that I knew they were going to do stupid shit with creature types. The second was Time Lord (time and lord are not separate types, it's just.... written that way?)

>>96332480
>I'm playing a lightly upgraded precon
I've learned to hate these words more than anything else in this format. Insane expectation on you to put on the kid gloves and softly punch at them while they start going off with a completely unknown powerlevel deck. They upgraded it, but with fucking what? Sometimes they just fixed the lands other times they added backbreaking cards that will win them the game the turn they drop it. You actually decide try a little against one of these numbnuts?
>You're cEDH dude I'm just playing a precon.
Fucking hate this shit.

>>96332493
the only difference in bracket 2+3 is a bit of consistency. bracket 2 decks can be insane.
>And if it starts doing things earlier, the faster it is, then it seems stronger.
which is also often a death sentence in a 4 player game.

>>96332518
>I'm playing a lightly upgraded precon
Lol iktf. This guy played an "upgraded" Yshtola precon and played a Rhystic Study followed by a Smothering Tithe, lmao. All I could do was laugh - thankfully I don't mind powerful cards that much but it was fucking hilarious

>>96332480
>oh god stop having a functional template to work with EVERYONE should have been collecting since 1993
You're the worst kind of fag.

>>96332527
If you can't build a commander deck, maybe play some more limited or standard or pioneer and come back when you are familiar with the game

Man, Garth one eye really is just "infinite money glitch" or a random pile of cards

So did i understand rules correctly regarding targets and spells fizzling.
If i use 1 of the targeting options once and the profilerate 2 times then if the target becomes invalid than the whole spell fizzles and i don't get my proliferates.
But if i use one of the targeting options twice to different targets and only 1 proliferate and only 1 of the targets becomes invalid i still get my proliferate and the second target?
So spell fizzles if all it's targets are invalid no matter if it has other effects, but if only some of the targets are invalid then it will do everything but the invalid parts? Does this also apply to spells that don't use the word "target"?

>>96332534
No one said anyone was unfamiliar, tardbrain. I said not everyone has amassed a large collection to build from and may want a comfortable entry point into strategies or the game in general. Precons are awesome.

>>96332539
AFAIK the spell resolves "to the best of it's ability" meaning you still get the other modes
BTW technically speaking fizzling isn't a thing that happens or is a word

>>96332527
Commander is just about the worst format to start playing magic

>>96332539
>If you choose the first mode and also the second or third mode as you cast Brokers Confluence and all targets are illegal as it attempts to resolve, you won't get to proliferate.
if you target two things and only one becomes invalid you still proliferate

>>96332543
Respectable viewpoint, but I think they should print less precons (understandable for UB to have more of them I guess)
Maybe it's moreso the discourse that irks me rather than the precons themselves, but I would hope people only get one or two precons and then branch out

>>96332548
Opinion
>>96332550
See I can understand that position. Buying precons after a certain point, unless being bought for parts of UB or whatever is pigeonholing yourself when it comes to that strategy. One or two unedited or barely edited ones, then moving on to making a deck if you like the strategy. For example, I have the Tidus precon but I've changed almost all of the cards and just wanted mostly Tidus and used it to acquire a few nice cards like Inspiring Call, Bred for the Hunt, etc with better art.

>>96332557
Commander is probably the worst format to start playing if you don't know Magic at all, desu. (I'm not >>96332548)
Like I played against this new player who borrowed someone's deck and he asked stuff like "what does it mean that a creature is white" and then he just spaced out on everyone else's turn reading the cards and had to ask about every spell he casts - the game just went on for over an hour longer than it should because this man has no idea what it means that a spell is an instant and I just had to wonder what he got out of the game. Like really, a person should play Arena or something for like a week before jumping into commander because the card pool is so big and 4(+) player is inherently much more complex and you have stuff like the stack and triggers and threat assessment and politics and all these things.
Anyway, I guess I'm a hipster because my 25$ deck has a winrate over 25% and I know that I'm a grognard/smug cunt but that's how things can go on this site, but I agree with you and also think there is nuance to the subject (which a lot of fuckers here can't fathom)

So 100% of 1000% one of the UBS sets is warhammer(hopefully fantasy) and we can also expect at least one of these unannounced sets will be something that clashes horribly with magic.

>>96332574
>only 3 canon sets
How many IPs are worth an entire set??? I want them to redo Ice Age and Homelands like they did with Brothers' War.

>>96332574
Honestly the 2 sets I would want in UB is WH Fantasy (not AoS) and Dota (yes Dota 2 specifically) and they would clash far less with MTG than Doctor Who or even FF or AC

>>96332574
if we're going for UB's that wont clash horribly and actually have a chance, I wouldn't mind Elder Scrolls

>>96332583
The only UB set that matters at this point is Dark Souls. Nothing else will come close to FF.

>>96332557
Which do you think is a better jump off point for someone that has zero knowledge of card games? A starter kit of two decks with low complexity and designed to play against eachother or a version of the game that has a deck nearly double the size, 3 opponents, and a card pool in the tens of thousands with hundreds of unique mechanics?

>>96332591
Second one

>>96332580
The only reason I took the ub pill was a return to rabiah set

I just took a massive dump in a laundromat and didn't flush
Commanders for this feel?

>>96332574
>Non-Standard set
>Not UB
So what, a Commander Legends set like Baldur’s Gate?

>>96332605
ur-dragon

>>96332593
>I was pretending to be retarded
Here's your (you) don't spend it all in one place

>>96332609
Yes, Commander Legends: Arabian Nights

>>96332609
Ub masters set

>sellers aren't bothering to ship my orders for days
>retarded jeetazon delivery driver dropped off the deckbox i ordered at the wrong address and just put it out on the stairs in public
Not having a good time getting into the game so far...

>>96331398
Pirates are cool, brass is lame, she's a reddit quirk chungus in grandma form. It should have been a chad madlad jack sparrow or barbossa expy.

>>96331418
You mean Zozu the Punisher?

>>96332589
Saleswise I don't think anything else can come close to FF that's not ridiculously un-Magic

>>96332574
miss the Marvel set and the rest looks absolutely really fine actually

>>96332580
Castlevania, dune. you can basically go look up which ips whored out to fortnite 2-3 years ago and have a fairly accurate guess on upcoming secret lairs/set

>>96332678
Sonic set. Come on. Please.

>>96332665
Pokemon
Gundam
Hello Kitty

>>96332683
I would absolutely love Gundam because I'm a /m/-fag isn't there already a card game for Gundam? Let alone Pokemon, that would never happen. And Hello Kitty is ridiculously un-Magic, I doubt they would do that. We'd get DC comics and Harry Potter way before that

>>96332670
>Zesty elf
On thin ice already
>Not Harry Potter
This is basically a ub set
>Loot
Auto skip
Lookin like another year of not spending money on new cardboard rectangles

>>96332690
Hey, I buy singles only so it's no skin off my back

>>96332690
>t-this is UB
God I'm so tired of this shit. Harry Potter didn't invent wizard schools.

>>96332690
>hating on lorwyn

>>96332683
destiny

>>96332695
It's not going to be racist elf supremacists anymore. It's going to be lgbtq queen pride diversity elves repenting for their ancestor's sins by baking pastries

>>96332694
Tru, but you're delusional if you think strixhaven isn't Harry Potter with the serial number shaved off

>>96332695
>No terese
>No guay
Not going to be your lorewyn brother I promise

>>96332688
>>96332694
Good point, I think UB Harry Potter would be gigadimes and also hopefully lead to some troon players boycotting the game forever.

Super Mario World or Super Smash Bros might do well too.

>>96332709
Let's say it is
So? Arabian Nights is literally Arabian Nights, Innistrad is generic western Dracula horror, Thunder Junction, etc etc. We can be reductive and just relate everything to something similar but that's retarded.

>>96332480
>Don't use the custom tailored entry point into the format, because I, retardo sperg on the internet don't like it
narcissism running wild maggle

>>96332714
>Guay
???
also nobody misses qanon bitch. have you seen her recent art? yikes.

>check prices on the cloud precon
>it's FULL of cards that are are like 20-40 dollars
What the fuck why is it still available everywhere for cheap?

>>96332695
Nu-Lorwyn wouldn't look anything like this.

>>96332718
Qanon bitch has based art and you're a gay redditor

>>96332718
>Sam Guay
.....................

>>96332718
Sam Guay

>>96332718
>I dont know who guay is in regards to lorewyn
Retard or bait, call it.

I hope we get more super niche cards from nu-Lorwyn

Who makes the best proxies? I was told Usea was good due to having the correct backs and holo marks (not add on stickers like the cheaper options).

>>96332716
>Arabian Nights is literally Arabian Nights
NO WAY?!?
>Innistrad
Isn't litterally dracula is a lot more nebulous than "wizard school with color coded campuses gets attacked by evil wizard with a savior complex using forbidden dark magic"
>Thunder Junction
Is a shitty creatively bankrupt set just like strixhaven

>>96332746
You can literally do this with almost any set. Mirrodin was pretty much the only genuinely original idea.

>>96331568
Just pretend they arent black. For some reason all the EoE commanders worth playing are either black, bugs or machines. Orzhov bros hit hard

>>96332749
Tannuk doesn't count as either of those though

>>96332729
nice forests!

I never understood why people play stuff like ur dragon, tatyova, edgar, etc.
Like it's the one format where you can build what you want, show off weird cards from your collection, really make something unique that does something interesting, and you're just going to pick the commander that builds itself in the most generic way possible?
I don't even care that the commanders are strong. Relatively speaking each of these commanders is pretty slow by cedh standards. If these players wanted to use "it's strong so it's fun" as an excuse then they should be playing cedh and if understand that. But they're not.

>>96332756
>she doesn't know
bleak

>>96332764
I agree, those are really boring. Just jam vampires or dragons big wowee...... Then my Kethek deck spins some wheels and the game is actually interesting

My pure Lorwyn.....

>>96332527
>>96332717
I see some tourists felt called out lmao

>>96332746
Thunder Junction should have been Blood Meridian in mtg. Instead we got cowboy cosplay

>>96332740
I bet they will have a new name ready for the conspire mechanic.

>>96332748
No, just the shitty ones post 2019

>>96332764
Not everyone feels the need to be a special snowflake showing off how unique, quirky and special they are. You're a quirkchungus Johnny and that's ok but some people are chad spikes and that's ok too.

>>96332764
I haven't built ur-dragon yet but he's really cool and supports a cool archetype, if someone's a dragonfag they're naturally gonna gravitate towards him and there's nothing really wrong with that.

>>96332789
They should have completely scraped the set entirely when they decided no guns

>>96332788
>only tourists use precons
Then how is his point valid if only a tiny percent of the game uses/buys/edits precons? Oh wait...

Champion making a comeback???

Scion is more fun.

>>96332546
Yeah but i heard it just completely poofs out of existence if all targets become invalid even if it has another effect that doesn't target
>>96332549
Thanks

>>96332830
Nah if I'm playing dragons I'm timmymaxxing, my commander has to be the biggest niggaest dragon around.

Do people just not do alters anymore? Have proxies killed the art?

How do you stop the arm race if you like playing shitdecks
It was all jank decks until a new fag brought his izzet deck

>>96332868
You could talk to him like a man and tell him how you feel.

>>96332868
As in all things, communication is key.
"Hey, your Izzet deck is a lot stronger than most of our decks, we prefer their lower power janky-ness and don't want to power them up to keep up with yours. Would you mind tuning it down please, or alternatively playing something else?"

>>96332854
The people who love the game enough to do that are gone, only addicts and investors remain.

>>96332868
Who's the commander?

>>96332917
Hard to love what the game has become.
It's fun mechanically but also utterly soulless and degenerate.

>>96332854
Not quite alter but people are doing sunbleaching now which can look very cool on some cards.

>>96332940
>sunbleaching
Never seen that googling now

>>96332946
Lmk what you think after!

>>96332780
Over under on the reprint of this having half of them be niggos though?

>>96332717
>custom tailored entry poin
Precon are a terrible way to get into the format though

>>96332988
Why? Some are ass but there's really cool ones that aren't too complicated.

how many lands + cheap draw + cheap ramp should I run if I consistently want to reach 6 mana in every game on t5?
gruul btw

>>96332992
See
>>96332591

>>96333016
Kinda true but at that point they should really just start on Arena where they have access to a huge amount of starter decks and can try them against other noobs, while receiving instant explanations for keywords.
As far as paper goes precons are fine imo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXgdDpflbW4
>'Cyclopean Tomb'; I was like okay, is this a tomb created by a cyclops for something else, or is it, the burial site for a cyclops, or is it both?
>So having the figure in the centre of the illustration, leaning forward so you couldn't see it's face, kept the mystery moving.

>>96332821
His point doesn't become invalid just because its not every player? There could be ten precon players and hearing that phrase would still suck. You are low IQ

>>96332940
I tried this with a crashing drawbridge and it looked alright

>>96332997
Your commander? Some of those gruul commanders can achieve 7 mana on t4.

>>96332997
>6 mana by t5 in green
I mean if you just build a deck with green in it this will happen naturally

>>96333046
xenagos aggro on a budget
I want to reduce ramp and lands to cram more interaction into the deck
>>96333057
depends, I'm having trouble settling on a theme for the ramp. right now I run a wild mixture of dorks, rocks, landfall and land tutors, and definitely too many of each

I kind of want to build this because I love the aesthetic, but it just seems kind of... boring?

>>96333089
Oops

I am so fucking tired of digital only cards holy shit

>>96333112
This literally couldn't be normal anyway so it's fine

>>96333206
Just give it different ability besides the gay spellbook thing and it'd be fine

Would you say this guy is a good choice for a commander based around using the summons from the FF set?

>>96333223
Seems pretty straightforward.

>>96332574
Hope the Marvel set at least has my nigga Gambit in it, if they're going to do capeshit at least let my favorite dude show up.
That said, what do they mean by an event set?

>>96332574
>WHF
It better have Lizardmen or I'm gonna freak

>>96332789
I'm going to die fucking mad at how hard they dropped the ball on that. My only hope is a secret lair that gives us a proper Eastwood vibe or some shit
>>96332816
Why did they decide no guns anyway? You could have had a really fun mechanic basing card effects on ammo and reloading or the like

>>96332764
Gay nogger hands typed this post

>>96333206
change conjure to be "look at the top 10 cards for a sliver and put it to hand"

>>96332718
newfaggot tourist

>>96333223
bird up

>>96332764
Wasn't the whole point of the format initially about the ability to play big fuck off dragons you couldn't otherwise in faster formats? What's wrong with decks that want to put big lizards onto the field?

>>96333288
shit I didn't think about him I think he might be better thanks for the suggestion anon

>>96333307
>Wasn't the whole point of the format initially about the ability to play big fuck off dragons you couldn't otherwise in faster formats?
Not just dragons, all the old "cmc>6" creatures/spells. It used to be "throw whatever neat looking shit in your deck without caring how well it worked together" and now it's hyper optimized goodshit

>>96333101
Repeatable charge counters and +1/+1s are only as boring as the 99 behind it I feel. You can get up to some shit as soon as you put it down so long as you have a creature or token on board to station it.

>>96330816
After spamming this guy I decided to try him out in my mono green.

SOVL

>>96333360
I used to have a mono G fliers deck with him at the helm... I should rebuild it

>>96333112
I have no clue why they still try to push alchemy. It has been an objective failure, to the point they quietly removed it as the 'default' game mode on arena.

>wanting this art for lorwyn
yikes

>>96333443
I thought you guys liked rebecca gay

>>96333471
No we're Teresepilled here

>>96333471
For me it's Seb McKino

I swear to God when she was revealed she was Jund, did I get Mandela Effect'd?

Anyways, whomst else building her?

>>96333443
I've heard of women hitting the wall but I never knew it could happen with artistic talent jesus christ.

>>96333378
>why yes I run him in my Azusa deck

Why?

>board wipe, no problem, still 15 total trample up
>helps prevent mill
>helps shuffle graveyard back into deck allowing me to tutor things back up after a long game
>11 mana is basically 6 mana for any other non-green deck
>make a great Greater Good, Momentous Fall, Soul's Majesty and Return of the Wildspeaker Target
>same with Overwhelming Stampede

I love that big wurm.

>>96333392
Oh nice. That sounds like a pretty fun deck. What are some good mono green flyers? I'm blanking on everything but Birds of Paradise.

>>96333504
Heroes in UB will NEVER get black, unless the franchise was actually nuanced.

>>96333516
The classic

>>96333502
How come so many devil and demon cards are allowed, but Stone-Throwing Devils is "problematic?"

>>96333436
I remember still feeling railroaded into it when i started playing arena a few months ago.

>>96333530
I mean you get at least a couple in UB

>>96333544
This is more riffing on his name than anything else. Its the same stupid reason Sonic is fucking Jeskai.

>>96333530
He was a villain at the start of the game but by the time this came out he was a good guy

>>96333504
Luckily most Magic players that drive price spikes are fags that whine about "unfun" decks so the best cards for her shouldn't go up too much.

He seems like fun. I wanna build him.

>>96333530
There were several black heroes in FF.

>>96333534
Because it was from Arabian Nights, which was banned across the board for being "problematic"

>>96333504
No, that's not possible because Jund artifacts with a minor lands subtheme is my deck that only I have.

>>96333613
thankfully they print PtE and StP in every precon with white

>Make a deck that I think is fun
>The guy who plays :"""casual""" kinnan, winota, and ur-dragon says the deck is unfair because "it stops him from playing the game"

Honest thoughts on MLD?

>>96333656
I wonder what the thought process behind creating it was.
It's just so obviously a bad mechanic.

>>96333656
Resetting the game is. annoying, but okay as a mechanic. Making them one-sided is the actual problem with it.

>>96332956
Looks dope desu
I think imq do it to one of my dogshit decks and see how it looks

>>96333653
thankfully white is full of "protection from" and temporary hexproof instants

>>96333666
Fuck off, Satan.

>>96333654
Ur-Dragon is casual.

>>96333613
>if he was cast
Nope. It's poop shit. Throw it in the trashcan

>>96333656
I like it, spices up the game but it takes some forethought so I can understand why mtg players struggle to play with/against it.

Kind of a dick move, but if it wins you the game it's a valid strategy, especially in white and red, the weakest colors.

>>96333682
which are all ass if you're not playing voltron

>>96333687
There was an urdragon cedh deck back in the day
Im 99% sure it was primarily used for its colors and there was some dumbshit it did if the game stalled

Anons, what are some must have cards for a Golgari deck? I was gifted Winter cynical opportunist, never built Golgari before. Seems like it can be fun

>>96333695
>red
>weakest
?

>>96333656
i honestly dont have strong feelings either way about it but i always vividly remember one game i played years ago where a guy got super mad about it
>zurgo player worldslayers the table and we scoop
>guy playing elves or some shit goes on huge rant about how youre not supposed to play mld
>zurgo says he will change decks
>same guy is still clearly pissed and insists he plays zurgo again as he pulls out azuza
>azuza player mulls like 5 times and keeps without lowering his handsize btw
>sure enough azuza player mulled specifically for crucible of worlds and strip mine
>does nothing but strip mine zurgo every turn and doesnt even attempt to play beyond this
>me and other guy are practically just playing 1v1 until he says hes had enough of this and blows up crucible of worlds
>azuza player throws a fit and says he shouldnt do this because it doesnt effect him
>says hes still doing it
>doesnt matter because i combo off next turn
>everyone silently gets up and changes tables

>>96333697
>Playing Sephara
>Every turn, without fail, someone will throw removal at her, even when there are far better targets
>Without those protections, she would be blown out
And that's just my personal experience. Plz don't talk like you know how to play when it seems you're bad at the game.

>>96333695
>red and white are weak
its not 2012 anymore

>>96333753
>needing protection for Sephara, which can be cast for much less every time
still ass

Maybe it's because I'm losing every time I pilot it, but I'm enjoying this dogshit deck more than I have any other for a very long time. I keep wanting to tune it, and I don't have to feel guilty because the strategy is so pathetically weak.

>>96333656
nothing should be sacred. there should be also emblem removal NOW

>>96333656
I don't care for it and would scoop if I got hit really hard by it when other players didn't, but that said it's a valid strategy and I won't knock somebody that's running low cost aggro having it as a way to rest their tempo. Only strat that still makes me seethe like a nigger is discard or permanently stealing cards

>>96333777
It's not a discount retard, it's an alternative cost. Once again proving no-games or bad player. Wanna try again?

>>96333791
one day it will be real

>>96333838
Honestly, I expect we'll see it within three years, maybe even 2 at the rate things are going.

>>96332574
Grim

>>96333826
it's the same shit retard, you're never paying full cost unless you get your board wiped

>>96333855
We're going to have to see a planeswalker that makes Kaito look like a joke before WotC even thinks about improving removal.

>>96333838
game needs more ways to remove counters and emblems

>>96332574
>Only 1 UB set (so far)
>People will endlessly seethe anyway

Emblems shouldn't be possible to remove because that's literally their entire point.
If they were possible to remove they literally wouldn't have a unique function.
Stop trying to homogenize all mechanics by grinding down all the edges.

>>96333902
Emblems shouldn’t exist. Mechanics beyond interaction (yes, this includes eminence) have no place in card games

>>96333902
non interactable effects are bad design
>but you can stifle them
yeah I guess? still bad design

>>96333754
What's the ranking of color power levels then?

>>96333788
This is peak EDH. If you're having fun, and like the them and are constantly finding little ways to improve it, then you've ascended. Enjoy, anon.

>>96333563
Sonic and crews colors are fucked because they wanted all the good guys to fit within a single deck. So if you make sonic naya tails no longer fits, since he should obviously be blue aligned.
The proper colors IMO would have been:
>Sonic: naya
>Amy: boros
>Tails: azorious
>Knuckles: gruul
>Eggman: esper

>>96333252
>Why did they decide no guns anyway? You could have had a really fun mechanic basing card effects on ammo and reloading or the like
Anti-2A woke WotC troons tryingto push theirgay agenda. It's stupid because I'm pretty sure 40k and FF had plenty of guns.

>>96333880
>>96333838
I remember them announcing a new removal that was never seen before and thinking it would finally be for emblems a couple sets ago and it was a fucking nothing burger

Is this any good>>96333504?
I would like to build but I'm not sure

I tried to do a "lands are creatures" deck with pic related but it's not very good.

Toph is intriguing but I don't really like that it's just another artifact build, albeit not in the usual colors

>>96333611
>this artifact AND lands commander (two of the most generally expensive cards to get) will surely avoid the common costs associated with building her

From Banned to Based: The Koko Puffs Story

>>96333788
What is the point of slop pile? Who is the commander?

>>96333252
here's your reloading mechanic, bro

>>96333697
>protecting your board is bad outside of voltron
This might be the dumbest nogames post I've ever read

>>96333880
Did they really think this would see any play? It's not anywhere close to farewell, despite clearly being a black shifted version.

>>96333918
>>96333914
Why?

>>96333921
1. BLUE

2. BLACK

3. RED

4. WHITE

5. GREEN

>>96333936
It's Legolas with an enchantress/green control bent since fight tribal just burns out.

>>96333959
Dude, it can hit BATTLES tho!

>>96333965
>fight tribal burns out
Laughs in the superior fight legendary, no it doesnt

Would you let me back for another game at your table?
https://moxfield.com/decks/Aotc8-Dau0-gwVU3Loircw

>>96333307
Originally it was called Elder Dragon Highlander because you had to use an OG elder dragon as your commander. 21 commander damage represents 3 hits from an Elder Dragon. I am probably the only anon here with a deck running an OG Elder dragon commander- Vaevictis Asmadi jund dragon tribal, and it kicks ass.

>>96333981
I didn't feel like building Neyith.

>>96333946
fill your deck with pic related effects then

>>96333983
If the deck had zero infect/toxic stuff and zero tutors, and only won by getting lucky and pulling a "everyone gets a poison counter" card and then proliferating it up, I would love to play that deck.

Speaking of counter spells, what are the best budget counterspells? Arcane denial? Memory lapse? Offer you can't refuse?

>>96334010
But I want to give everyone AIDS!

>>96333989
>I am probably the only anon here with a deck running an OG Elder dragon commander- Vaevictis Asmadi
holy fuck, same. Except mine isn't dragon tribal it's just jund good stuff. Wincon is mainly voltron by mass dumping mana into his firebreathing abilities

>>96333998
My decks are filled with effects like this... you are a very bad player i get the feeling

>>96334028
Badass brother. Everyone underestimates Vaevictis because he's so simple and overcost3d, but I have won a ton of games dropping him late after everyone spends all their board wipes and removal on other dragons. Vaevictis cleans up quick.

>>96334035
go make a video about it, trinket mage

>>96333983
i dont see why not

>>96334022
the best one is the most simple

>>96334044
Very confused but I hope you have fun in your preschool games slugger

>>96334022
Confound, Keep Safe, Intervene, Dispel, Negate, Turn Aside, Envelop

>>96333960
1. Because the game is fundamentally an interactive back-and-forth. Mechanics above interaction only work if the entire game was designed around them from the start, which MtG wasn't. Even then, a game that WAS designed around a mechanic being uninteractable is prone to breaking if it improves too much (Hearthstone hero powers with Baku and Genn).
2. Because emblems are no longer a big, flashy payoff for getting a planeswalker to ult. There is currently a 3-mana planeswalker with a stacking emblem on their +loyalty. Emblems are becoming easier to access and more powerful as time goes on which makes it unhealthy that they're still being given "can not be interacted with" design space.

>>96333885
Put your glasses on its one announced ub set and two unannounced ub sets

>>96334084
The players don't like interaction so the game is adapting

>>96334118
It really feels that way anon. It really cut
>Fucking 1-drop that doesn't die to 1-cost removal (in Standard)

>>96332574
>event set
What did they mean by this?

>>96333960
Because this is an interactive card game. If you cast something, I can counter it, redirect it, destroy it, or remove it in other ways, make it lose its ability.
The interplay is the point. You have to be careful about your resources and when you use them.

If you can be like
>well you didn’t stop me from doing this thing, so now this effect applies forever
Or
>well you didn’t stop me sitting down with this commander so now this effect applies forever
What’s the counter play to that? How am I meant to in any way meaningfully interact with the effect? You basically have a superpower inherent to you and your board that I can do nothing about

>>96333977
>casts le heroic intervention xd

why is he so popular? were lifegain and mill players really just that starved

>>96334154
unique

>>96333656
EDH players are not smart enough to use it responsibly. Every dumbass at your LGS thinks they have the spice to make Armageddon a wincon, or thinks that ittl balance against green decks. In reality people would just use it to stall the game out after they miss their 5th landdrop with their dogshit deck, and you're gonna be locked into the worst slogs of your life.

>>96334118
The game has too many interactive cards to remove interaction as a mechanic.

I will say though, Lorcana feels significantly better because you can’t interact on opponents turns. You at least get to see whether you’re fucked on your opponent's turn rather than them just never letting you play in the first place

>>96334084
1. No its not.
2. So?
Neither of your points made a compelling argument anon im sorry.

>>96334154
In arena i just surrender immediately if i meet this faggot in brawl, least fun deck to play against ever.

>>96334084
Overpushed bullshit designed for Yuriko edh, and probably a they/them too

>>96334154
Life gain easiest mechanic in the world.

>>96334154
Do you have any idea how extremely easy it is to quickly gain hundreds of life?

>>96334154
easy to play and semi unique design

>>96334161
I actually agree. Pokemon is the same way.
You might lose but at least you get to play your cards. Magic scheme play loop leads to frustration and people getting locked out of the game

>>96334161
Interaction and the stack is the main reason MtG is the GPAT card game and every other game is merely competing for second place.

>>96334249
>GPAT
Fucking phone posting, I meant GOAT

>>96334178
Nah he's actually good.

>>96334154
People love lifegain, they go fucking mental over it. It's why its by far the most supported play style in the game. Look at how many soul sister effects we've gotten since bloomburrow alone.

>>96334139
Isn't the interaction in that case simply ensuring that the card(s) in question never resolve?

Got some idea for Junji control but I don't think people can handle the ultimate form of stax that is hellbent very well.

>>96334139
>enter:land drops

>>96332076
This one at least made sense because there is literally only one Qu

>>96334281
He's not a gay? Why did Wotc allow this?

>>96334161
>>96334235
Spoken like someone who never played those games.

>>96333238
Erm, lizardmens couldn't make the cut, we had to add every flavor of elf and at least 3 different prints of each character

>>96333252
The same reason new capenna has no cops, gay retarded theater kids

>>96332574
It's a long shot idea, but I think a Magic VS Capcom set could be a fun set. Half hat-set with Magic characters in fits designed by Capcom, half Universes Beyond set with Capcom franchises. Could have Tag In (Warp+Ninjutsu) and "The Combo" (Dungeons but it resets each turn) as set mechanics.

>>96334366
I've played both kek)

>>96334366
>Interact with the opponent on your turn
Thanks for proving point

>>96334389
>>96334396
and yet you claim less interaction means people don't get locked out of the game, when both are infamous for creating hardlocks where a player had no agency in the outcome.

>>96334387
Monster hunter would be a nice monster focus set
Dmc would be complete slop

>>96334356
They know not to mess up with the japanese thing.

>/edhg/ anon:
>"Man you shouldn't be able to play on your opponent's turn."
>The same /edhg/ anon:
>FUCKING COMBO PLAYERS!!! THERE SHOULD BE A WAY TO STOP THIS!!!

>>96334387
>Another set of 10 million legendary creatures
I have severe legends fatigue

>>96331743
making threats that need to be exiled is simply wizards retarded way of buffing mono white

>>96334387
we need more capcom cards so we can recreate MVC

>>96334421
it sucks to be the only one who plays interaction because everyone gets pissy at you and at the same time expect you to be able to stop every combo from happening

Wizard should make a set without legendaries to test the water.

>>96330830
You only need to draw Approach. Drawing is superior but I apply the same principle in my Telasarra deck with Approach.

>>96334449
probably never going to happen so long as commander is the most popular format

Playing white is just signaling to the entire pod that you have a small penis and are into being humiliated

>>96334484
Black*

>>96334398
You are genuinely not worth responding to

>>96334493
Response?
Oh wait, it's my turn, so you can't!

>>96334487
Red*

>>96334498
Green*

>>96334497
What point are you even trying to make dude. Unfair stamp exists? Ok?

>>96334512
What point are you even trying to make dude. Force of Will exists? Ok?

>>96332574
>Google Image search
>only result is 4chan
Nice bait

>>96332548
Played with a guy who started 3 months ago last week. He had a fun homebrew deck and knew how to play and was very enjoyable to play with. So you're just wrong

Did you know Path to Exile is S-Tier ramp in white token decks?

>>96334545
>things that never happened for ¥200, Alex.

>>96332527
we didnt gatekeep hard enough
its already long over

>>96334563
Nice Spider-Man watch

>>96334569
>le gatekeep
meme

>>96334484
Selesnya

>>96334519
Lmao retard

>>96334484
*Simic

>>96333573
They should have gotten Udon or Capcom artists to draw these. Card is good but I can't use it with that ugly ass artstyle. Full art pixel art cards using SF II character graphics and font would have been dimes too.

>>96331682
I have a godzilla deck as well, I love this guy. Embercleave + Skullspore Nexus means you are gonna be able to swing for lethal every turn, it's hilarious.

>>96331682
Based bracket 2 enjoyer

Is this a decent alt option if I don't want to spend 40 fucking bucks on Teferi's protection?

>at long last
>peace

Newfag here.
Is it cringe to main and really invest in a precon commander?

>>96334131
I run Cecil as a commander and he's really fun.

>>96334784
no

>>96334738
You could pay the same price and get dawn's truce

>>96334790
People won't think i'm basic and lame for it?

>>96334411
Monster Hunter makes sense, you have all the weapons as equipment and all of the monsters as most of the creatures in the set. Add a couple of the human NPCs from the games to round it out and you're off to the races.

>>96334497
>>96334519
Op here thanks for proving my point

>>96334813
You also have elder dragons as commanders.

>>96334749
Dunno why I forget about Concealment, thanks
>>96334804
I didn't know about Dawn's Truce. I like that, thanks for the pointer

>>96334784
>Is it cringe to main and really invest in a precon commander?
No, Kaalia and Mothman are both incredibly powerful and feared commanders and they are precons.

>>96334811
Some people will. Who fucking cares about those hipsters?

>build deck with white in it
>have to buy another Dawn's Truce, Clever Concealment, Teferi's Protection, Galadriel's Dismissal, Farewell, Solitude, and Land Tax just to play the game
The White tax is real bros...

>>96334860
>not just proxying them

>>96334784
You really shouldn't put any stake in what other players think about your commander. Play what you want to.

>>96334860
I own all of those, and I proxy them for other decks. If a person has a problem with it, they can wait while I go through my binders and put them into my deck and then mana weave and shuffle 40 times just to be sure its randomized.

>>96334780
Mono white burn real?

>>96334869
>paying credit just to have fake cards
So this is the power of late stage capitalism...

>>96334784
Precons exist specifically to be built upon. That being said, some like the moth man or eldrazi/slivers will make you arch enemy.

>>96334879
No one cares if you proxy a card you own

>>96334879
All cards are fake is you don't use them in sanctioned play.

>>96334860
or you could just not

>>96334877
How mono white burn be real if our eyes aren't real?

>>96334860
>Not smothering tithe or esper, or tithe, or weathered wayfarer
Do you even white retard?

So why did my opponent's oracle of muldaya stay a land when i cast unable to scream on Ashaya?

>>96334905
I just didn't want to list them all....

>>96334919
Layers

>>96334925
I knew that was the answer I just don't know why it is the answer.

There better be a "Maximum Spider" card in the spider man set

>>96334934
It doesn't make sense you just have to accept it

>played odric list from anon today (odric v1.3?) against jenova
>duel commander rules because we were only 2 people
>t6
>sit at 59 Life, in the process of creating 2 4/4 angels each turn
>friend at 16 with a 28/28 alpha deathclaw, 10 power jenova, several other shit with 5+ counters
>scoops
all I did was play my shit on curve with no ramp, no draw and no interaction kek

Any commander that lets you play the black werewolfs besides the normal gruul pile?

>>96334981
any jund commander, dont let build around me brain claim another victim.

>oh cool my new mtgo account came with a free commander gauntlet ticket
>ill pick blue
>the whole deck is just rummaging and no actual card advantage
>get shit on by loot activating its ability 3 games in a row
damn you wotc
https://moxfield.com/decks/rcsVvD0BSUW-uWGItou_ag

>>96334981
>there are three black werewolves from midnight hunt
>three old-border non-transform werewolves, one each from legends, homelands, and judgement
>also vincent valentine is a non-human that transforms into a werewolf
so, uh, which are you thinking of running?

>>96334934
Nobody understands layers

>>96334934
>>96334958
>>96335036
type changes are higher in priority than losing abilitues,due to layers.
layer exists so effects can't loop infinitely

>>96334934
basically ashaya's ability works on a lower layer than unable to scream does. this isn't about this particular interaction, but one of the points explains it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n39ucTBsthQ

>>96335058
well i am glad they are changing at least some of the rules so they are more intuitive.

>>96334784
No
Who cares? Just play what you want

How long until WOTC caves to their lust for money and unbans Lotus/Crypt and announces they'll be chase cards in the next set?

>>96334815
Op here thanks for proving my point

>>96335092
This will only happen if the game starts massively declining.
They're not gonna pull a brand-damaging ripcord while the game is doing very well.

>>96335095
Lmao seething retard

>>96335050
so because type is on a different layer than an ability that gives type, the creature doesn't care that the ability is no longer present?

>>96335118
Lmao seething retard

>>96335092
The same amount of time between Braids getting banned and unbanned, and their excuse is going to be the same: "People will go into those games understanding and expecting it" blahblahblah "the game has so much more removal so those problems will be taken care of immediately" etcetcetc

>>96335108
How does that damage their brand? Honestly.

>>96335133
Undoing the most controversial banning perhaps in the format's history? This quickly?? After all the backlash/doxxing/death threats??? Surely you cannot be serious, anon

>>96335133
Re-releasing and unbanning obviously badly designed cards that are damaging to the game and will still be prohibitively expensive, only to squeeze out slightly more profits, would certainly put many people off.

>>96335158
You act like that'll deter mtg players lol. They'll announce MTG x Oprah the next day and the retards will be lapping it up.

>>96335167
I think shitty UBs are much less damaging than rubbing hardcore P2W in the faces of casuals in a way that hasn't really been done before.

>>96334545
Wow what an astoundingly retarded post

>>96335166
Yeah shit like this is why I fucking hated all the errata'ing they've done over the last 25 or whatever years. All the tribal knowledge bullshit like "cards stating their names ACTUALLY MEAN 'this card' instead" trips up way too many new players. It's incredibly unintuitive.

>>96335184
When I thought my 10 year old son how to play he had no issue understanding this.

>6 turns of modern takes 45 min on mtgo
lol I cant imagine edh

>>96335209
cool story, bro

>>96335166
this is one of those "it makes sense if you know how to program" things.
if a card says CARDNAME, LEGENDNAME, or "this ," it's referring to itself as a game object. like 'this' in java or other OO languages.
frankly the change from CARDNAME to "this " might be even more confusing. there was a guy two(?) threads ago who was asking if marsil worked with artifacts that said "this artifact."

>>96335209
>>>>>>>96334563
also:
>"your" son

>>96335242
>If an activated ability of a card in exile with a cage counter on it references the card it's printed on by name, treat Mairsil's instance of that ability as though it referenced Mairsil by name instead.
Neat. But also
>If Mairsil has a crew ability, creatures can crew Mairsil.
l-lewd

>>96335092
Right now they are making bank with UB, they aren't even thinking about in universe cards currently.

>>96335286
This, I'm not bullish on the future of MTG but at least at the moment you could see why they would be comfortable.

>>96335166
Why do they even repeat the name like this anyways? It should just say "this card". If you somehow cloned him each clone would have its own unique trigger anyways.

>>96335259
>this is the best he can muster after being called out for being dumber than a 10 year old
Shameful

Anyone got any good suggestions for a "graveyard toolbox" deck? Not reanimator, more like binning cards such as Vengeful Pharaoh or other weird graveyard cards off a buried alive or entomb.

>>96335023
>https://moxfield.com/decks/rcsVvD0BSUW-uWGItou_ag
whoever made this deck should be shot

>>96335304
Lurrus is such a deck

>>96335166
why did you scratch out his name, i want to bully this guy for being intentionally retarded

>>96334022
CMC or $?

>>96334387
respectfully, fuck no. we already have enough millennialbait in this game

>>96335386
Both. It's a zombie budget deck so I am incentivized most turns to tap down. Usually only holding up a little mana.

>>96334411
Its the one I think is most likely, as they are huge on crossovers, and the set is basically just ikoria anyways.
Surely MTG as a brand has more respect that mobile slop, surely.

How do i build a midrange deck? Currently brewing lysol hext, mostly because I want an excuse to run riptide gearhulk. Obviously i know she's a better voltron commander, but I'm more looking to use her with noncreature synergies and surge-type spells as a piece of the deck instead of the main point. Any tips?
List so far: https://moxfield.com/decks/E_sp8SSi7EOUdWAZlp0TkA

>>96334545
I didn't say starting mtg with commander is an insurmountable task I said it was the worst. So basically you're just retarded

>>96335447
Negate, Counterspell, Arcane Denial, Wash Away, Saw It Coming, Abjure, Stubborn Denial, Out of Bounds, Ertai's Meddling, Delay.
Withering Boon isn't really budget but worth mentioning.

>>96332574
If they want to sell, they should do Harry Potter. Or a new Three Kingdoms set.

https://archidekt.com/decks/15161051/rw

deck adv? i really wanna run 3 consecutive rounds of combat with like 15 3/3's with hella keywords

>>96335617
Harry Potter set would be kinda hilarious, bunch of terminally online people yelling loud and clear to boycott saying they won't play with anyone who uses a HP card and what not

and then it ends up outselling FF

>>96330741 (OP)
I only play "cEDH" with my bother and his firends, I go to my LGS for fun bracket 2 and 3 gameplay.

Some retard keeps joining pods and underselling his decks "oh this deck is new and i don't really know what it does, please let me play it" . Mother fucker got 2 Ancient Copper dragons on turn 1, so it turns out I'm going to be playing my cEDH deck whether I want to or not.

>>96335125
So type changing effects and continuous effects aren't the same as normal abilities. Blood moon for example has to exist on a higher priority layer because several effects stacked together would cause the game to break into a loop

>>96335649
>so it turns out I'm going to be playing my cEDH deck whether I want to or not
you COULD just take the occasional L and play the decks you want to with the rest of the LGS playgroup
winning isnt more important that having fun

>>96335649
Tell him to find a different table to play at instead of seething about it on /tg/.

>>96332574
>So 100% of 1000% one of the UBS sets is warhammer(hopefully fantasy)
Don't you toy with me like that anon. I would consoom hard for tomb kings.

>>96332682
Sorry anon, the secret lair is all you are getting

>>96335617
Gay retarded theater kids think jk rowling is the great Satan so never ever (they have no issues plagiarizing her work however)

>>96332682
In 2-3 years

Displacer Kitten is a Magic the Gathering card.....

the only UB set i want is elden ring

>>96335675
>land pass
>land pass
>land pass
>land vault mox mox jeskas dragon copy the dragon
soooo fun and on the same power as everyone else

>>96335675
I'm either going to do that, or always bring out my strong decks everytime he's at the table rgardless of what deck he says hes playing

>>96335615
How does this work? Do I just say "hey I have out of bounds who wants to help pay for it?" Or does it not work like than in commander?

>>96335761
>You may reveal a card with assist and discuss how to pay for it before you begin to cast the spell. Targets are chosen for that spell before you choose another player to help you pay for it and before that player has committed any mana to doing so.

>>96335726
>insanely pushed
>lol its a kitty catty!
Yep that's a recent magic card

>>96335680
If games workshop has any braincells left they'd tell Wotc to do old world not age of smegma.

>>96335732
If they started almost right away after the game's huge success you'd be seeing it in like 2027

>>96335649
Please, do inform me what the line is for double ACD on turn 1.

>>96335822
i don't believe it takes that long to design a set

>>96335801
The secret lair was age of sigmar, so yeah hopefully a full set would be fantasy only. Especially with how popular TWW3 was.

>>96335822
Hire me WotC I can even print the design mistakes that have "unintended interactions" with extremely common cards.

>>96335830
It doesn't but I takes Wotc that long and it also takes a long fucking time for middle men to bounce messages back and forth between eachother before they can agree on a crossover

>>96335840
i liked the other guy's design more desu

>>96335824
land
mana vault
mox
mox
jeskas will
dragon
molten dupe
clone

>>96335897
Kill me mommy

>>96335840
I played and beat demons souls, dark souls 1-3, and bloodborne, is this game as aids as YouTube clips and the community says? Also does this game play alright on piss 4?

>>96335710
They also play hogwarts legacy and still love the movies. Gay retarded theater kids ruin everything and are also hypocrites who can't even follow their own performative beliefs properly.

>>96335799
I don't think they will ever be able to top Vivi

>>96335882
He actually tried. WotC wouldn't, so I'm trying to match that energy.

>>96335897
Your waifu fucks dogs and folds to fatal push

>>96335840
instead of infect 2/4 she should be double strike 6/1. WD - tap: malenia fights target creature twice, negate all combat damage done to malenia this way

i promise i think this is balanced

>>96335840
>flip a coin
>waterfowl dance

git gud

>>96335915
Hehehehahaha

>>96335643
JK Rowling is so fucking based bros

>>96335911
frame rate wont be optimal, but its nothing that will significantly impact your play.

>want to buy basic lands that match my commander
>almost all the sellers from my country only have 1 so i'd have to 12x the total price by paying shipping on every one
Fuckkkkk

>>96335917
You need to think more like wotc, her attack is WATERfowl dance, clearly this needs to be a blue creature!

>>96335934
BUY
PROXIES
JEWS AND ZIPS DESERVE NO MONEY

>>96335924
Well yeah if your opponent is good they won't mistime their dodge roll (lose the coinflip)

>>96335911
Wouldn't recommend it on the piss4 with the open world. The bosses are overtuned for aggression and the open world is neat to explore for a bit and then a ponderous burden. Worth a play, maybe multiple if you really like their games but every other game you listed is better, even DaS2 and 3.

>>96335918
Tifa doesn't fuck dogs, she's puro. She puts the fear of god in noobs who don't run low cost interaction and is a benefit to the format.

>>96335942
he cute

>>96335942
So every other commander is like playing without a dodge or block button?

>>96335945
bow wow

>>96335955
Don't sully one of my favorite decks with such tom foolery

>>96335945
Thaliafag about to have a run for his money

>>96335897
>proceeds to lose before my turn 3 in the pod at the next table

thanks I guess

>>96333989
>>96334028
i have a vae(og legends) its a stealy deck, also have a chromium that im building into a selfmill/reanimator/lands theme

>>96335952
Not the game's fault bad players refuse to adapt and learn the mechanics.

Why does everyone say Sol Ring is an auto include in every deck? I'd say this is a solid second place, if not more important.

>>96335990
But it is the designer's fault for a retarded implementation of video game mechanics into a children's cardboard gambling game.

>>96335941
I don't wanna it feels soulless sorry.

>>96334161
>>96334235
i bet you bitches whine everytime someone counters one of your spells. or your the type of players that dont run removal

What not seeing tits will do to a motherfucker
.>>96335941
>Buy proxies
No wonder you're poor

>>96335992
Because that card costs money and sol ring doesn't really

>>96335911
I've played all the souls games, and the boss fights are legitimately not fun in elden ring. Maybe I'm just old and bad but I miss the DS1 days where bosses weren't just spastic retards always fought in a circular arena.

>>96335992
This need an old board printing. Also I always cut it because I only play fast and loose and keep the jerking off on my turn to a bare minimum. Want to trade for my dusty ass Scroll Rack?

>>96335999
B-But Pokemon proved tha-
AIEEEEE DON'T RED CARD MEEEEE!!!!!
I HATE COMBO PLAYERS!!!! BAN ALL COMBO CARDS!!!!

>>96335995
Just get good and win the coinflip.

>>96335943
>D3 and 2 better
I guess I'll try sekiro instead

>>96335840
Thoughts bros?

>>96334877
>>96334780
karma and urborg

>>96335992
I don't run sol ring in any 3+ color decks unless it's artifact heavy

>>96336024
Woah woah 5 mana for that? Cut that 2 generic off the cost then WotC MIGHT feature it in a design postmortem.

>>96336012
brb putting my dice in the oven

>>96336016
They're all good games but yeah Sekiro is the better choice for a poorfag. Then the Nioh games.

>>96336033
The single most boring deck I've built desu

>>96335955
Lies sir

>>96336024
>dog
memeslop, give him his proper typing of turtle

>>96336041
Good design wasted on voltron memes

Why is the Spider-man set complete garbage but the Avatar set seems actually good?

>>96336035
>Poorfag
It's not a question on if I can afford a piss 5 it's why buy it? I might finally buy a new PC however It's starting to show it's age

>>96336079
Light paws is for tranny furries, the most boring mono white commander ever designed.

>>96336087
Because spiderman is capeshit

>>96336087
Because you're sick of marvel but nostalgic for avatar even though both are uninspired.

>>96336091
Upgrade your pc dipshit

>>96336092
Yeah but she could have been good, thats the point. That one mono white fox boy the one anon loves has a cool design.

>>96336096
I mean the cards and mechanics in spider-man seem so lame and weak, whereas AtLA seems more creative and higher in power level

>>96336087
It was supposed to be one of those shitty mini sets like asscreed and aftermath but those were completely rejected so they filled it with a bunch of slop

>>96336087
Spiderman set is more interested in referencing the characters at an individual level. While ATLA has actual set cohesion with the bending and ally mechanics.
If you made both sets in universe the spiderman one would feel like a bunch of random cards ala aftermath, while the ATLA one would feel like a zendikar revisit.

>>96336104
Mmmmmm maybe with tax returns if I buy a new one I want it to last a good decade

>>96336107
My reply is still true. Theu truth is also that they constantly boom and bust on the power and your subjective opinion of "creative design". The conspiracy truth is that Spiderman is the line on UB and even they know it. Too pushed and they would actually destroy the game for good. Avatar is a literally who cares ip for most.

>>96336144
>no ship of Theseus build

I'm sorry anon I didn't know.

>>96336072
i did. I Just couldn't find the version of him i made where he had it for some reason.

>>96336168
The motherboard is too old my computer is basically the highest end it can possibly be it's old as fuck I just got away with it this long because new video games are bad so I pretty much just play doom 2 wads, destiny 2 or indie steam games

>>96336211
>new video games are bad
>spoiler

Enough internet for me for the day.