Thread 96332273

shrines are back (again) edition

>Bans
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-june-30-2025

>News
The 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:
https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule

>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotation
https://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation

>Spoilers
http://www.magicspoiler.com/
https://mythicspoiler.com/

CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES
>Current meta, complete with deck lists
https://www.mtgtop8.com/
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/
>Build and share casual decks
https://deckstats.net/
https://tappedout.net/

CUBE RESOURCES
>Build and share Cubes
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CARD RESOURCES
>Search engines
https://scryfall.com/
https://mtg.wtf/
>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://www.makeplayingcards.com/
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM
>Play online for free
https://untap.in/
https://dr4ft.info/

>What is EDH?
https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1

>WotC's War Crimes
https://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)
https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)

>Previously
>>96320650

>TQ
favorite card subtype?

>>96332273 (OP)
I'm so upset that I'm going to paypig and buy and atla collector box

How many bans we need to fix each format of this god forsaken game?

>>96332381
1
Island

There was a time I thought they could fix standard by banning breeding pool. now they've gone ahead and reprinted it.

>>96332381
https://scryfall.com/search?q=f%3Av+is%3Afirstprinting+date%3Em19+game%3Apaper&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name

ban this stupid fucking card

Unironically,
Den of the Bugbear is the card that needs to be banned to reign in red in Pioneer.

>>96332445
Nah. Fable, Cutter, Rage, Cruise, Annex and Manifold are bigger priorities

>>96332462
Annex, Cutter and Cruise are undeniable obvious absolutely necessary bans that should have been done away with months ago.

>>96332465
I would add Fable. I'm tired of that Midrange overvalue enabler.

>>96332326
>play ban game
>power slop problem
>literally banned next
>formats beyond creep
at last I truly see

>>96332445
t. micefag trying to get the worst card in his deck banned

>>96332560
the mice RDW doesn't even run Den

Why doesn't anyone talk about Bloomburrow having the same plot as Kamigawa?

>>96333085
We did, when it was the current set.

>>96333085
Because nobody cares about the plot and that's why we're getting more UB

>>96333085
I have no idea what the plot of either set is. I think the last time I knew the plot of a set was WAR

>>96332381
At least 1200 cards to fix the card pool size so that we're playing standard instead of nu-extended. Maybe a dozen or two after that to get rid of some of the worst offenders such as
>Vivi Orniter
>Agitha's Soul Cauldron
>Proft's Eidetic Memory
>Kaito, Bane of Nightmares
>Anticausal vestige
>Traveling Chocobo
>Sunspine Lynx
>Screaming Nemesis
>Fear of Missing Out
>Cavern of Souls
>Unholy Annex
>Repurposing Bay (Is just another birthing pod/survival of the fittest type of deck)

>>96333316
>Anticausal Vestige
>Cavern of Souls
What? Why?

are you excited for the rest of the upcoming spiderman set reveals approaching anons?

>>96333433
Not Magic the Gathering. I am somewhat excited for Universes Within.

>>96333415
>>Anticausal Vestige
Getting both a free draw and replacing vestige on the board is quite overpowered.
>>Cavern of Souls
Put land down and suddenly you can't play the only way blue has to deal with most things. The only way to get rid of it is to run colorless mana lands which hurt your mana-base and you can't pop off until turn three. Meanwhile Cavern is doing everything for free starting as soon as turn one. Things that stop interaction with no effort and no card cost/mana cost are bad for the game in general let alone standard.

>>96333489
>Getting both a free draw and replacing vestige on the board is quite overpowered.
this is the most retarded opinion about mtg I've ever seen.

>>96333124
Humans/animals live in an uneasy symbiosis with spirits/calamities. But Konda/Glarb causes chaos when he has O-kagachi's/Maha's egg stolen, and all the spirits/calamities are driven into a frenzy by this betrayal. It's up to Toshiro/Mabel, armed with a magic jitte/Cragflame, to save the world, climaxing in O-kagachi's/Maha's egg being returned.
There are some minor differences, like Eight-And-A-Half Tails isn't a bandit like Cruelclaw

>>96333538
This is the most retarded reply to any post about mtg I've ever seen.

>>96333433
I'm interested in what cards are coming to arena. The low print run of the spider stuff just scares me into thinking I won't be able to get any of the new stuff for standard

>>96333433
Not Avatar
Not Spider-Man
Both for me are one and the same slop that I will not give a single shit about.
Wake me up when my beloved Lorwyn set arrives.

>>96332381
>how many bandages before this gangrenous limb becomes better?

>>96332381
Bans will not fix anything. Vintage, Legacy, and Modern are broken forever. Gayoneer is not played by anyone so who cares? Commander is not MTG so we don't have to talk about that. Standard on the other hand will nee the following changes:
>reverting the design philosophy back to 2012/pre-2012 design principals and balancing
>reducing the number of "blocks" back down to two and reducing the number of expansions back down to no more than four per year
>no longer printing cards intended for modern or commander in the mainline expansions
>abandoning commander as an official format

>>96333602
>The low print run of the spider stuff just scares me into thinking I won't be able to get any of the new stuff for standard
It would be great if spiderman wasn't in standard.

Is there any way to search for all cards that have the same name as their creature type?

>>96327786
>>96328027
>>96324211

>>96333085
Why doesn't anyone talk about Dragonstorm's plot twist being prophecized by a shitposter's gay bolas fanfiction?

I'm pretty new to magic (like 2 months), are there any good youtube channels to check out? The professor guy is nice, and pretty genuine seeming - but a little 'soi' for me (for lack of a better term). I've seen and like rhystic studies, the legend guy, rudy, and meatymagic
I don't care about ecelebs and I don't need someone else's opinion to drive me to play the game - I just like to watch videos for the hobbies I'm interested in, and would prefer to avoid slop.

>>96334155
magic youtube is pretty rough. it's all
>hour long thinkpiece about edh
>hour long unedited edh gameplay
>hour long unedited Arena footage
>two hour long podcast

>>96334155
Distraction Makers, not only talk about Magic but game design overall.

>>96334301
I tried watching their Artifact series but it was genuinely unwatchable. 30 minute video and they only repeat the same thing the entire time. Was it just an outlier?

>>96332381
All the interactions come from 3 year rotation. Clearly all of this would not happened with normal 2 yr rotation

So is it going to be just AtLA, no Korra?

>>96334379
yeah, the name of the set is precisely
>Avatar: the Last Airbender
assuming the set does really well, they could do a set just for The Legend of Korra

>>96333433
I'm dreading it. Not just because it's Spiderman, but more because of the small set turned into large thing. The card design for the commons reeks of last minute filler.

>>96334063
happy hunting

>>96334390
god I hope not

>>96334390
don't forget that there's a 3rd ATLA series coming out soon.

>>96332326
>>96332555
>Premodern always around

>>96334436
and an animated movie
and a sequel to Korra

they clearly are going all in trying to reinvigorate the franchise

>>96334390
To be fair, you could use that title to refer to the franchise as a whole. I'm a bit surprised they're not taking the opportunity to cash in on korrafags.
>they could do a set just for The Legend of Korra
Gross

>>96334457
they seem to be playing it very safe, avoiding secondary material with their UB. FIN only featured the mainline games.

>>96334063
https://tagger.scryfall.com/tags/card/eponymous
The scryfall tagger.

>>96333542
>Humans/animals live in an uneasy symbiosis with spirits/calamities
Not really. The calamities are feared, and any respect they receive is downstream of that. Even the outwardly "good" ones are still natural disasters.
>It's up to Toshiro/Mabel, armed with a magic jitte/Cragflame
Toshiro's jitte isn't magical. He's just a wizard using it as a pen to write his blood magic sigils, it's a completely mundane, if resilient secondary weapon.
>to save the world, climaxing in O-kagachi's/Maha's egg being returned.
Kamigawa ends with O-Kagachi fucking dying and the egg taking its place alongside Michiko as rulers of Kamigawa.

every creature should have islandwalk. You don't deserve to be able to block if you weren't able to counter the creature.

My first EoE 7-winner. This deck was busted, Survey Mechan is a bomb.

>>96334490
Well FIN also had a lot of ground to cover as it is, so it makes sense. AtLA seems like it'd be spread a bit thin in comparison.

What is the most fun format?

>>96334605
Latest set only 60-card constructed (no Foundations)

>>96334605
modern and legacy when you're playing an unfair deck

>>96334155
https://www.youtube.com/@Unpopularmtg

Unpopular MTG is pretty based, they just find weird underplayed cards that still are usable.

>>96334605
preUB

>>96334605
draft > sealed > edh > legacy > pauper > modern > pioneer > playing a different cardgame > commander

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxRn2VnmjAA
Fuarking kino premodern gawds we are making it to save mtgo.

>>96334641
whats the difference between edh and commander here?

>>96334644
can you even play proper premodern on MTGO? I thought the paper format used card rules from back in the day (mana burn, damage on the stack, old mulligan rules etc)

>>96334666
>edh
fun meme format you play with your bros over some beers
>commander
that thing you play with unwashed lgs randoms who do nothing but complain and play the latest overpriced value slop

>>96334641
>not even a mention of standard
is the situation really that grim?

>>96334731
i honestly just havent played standard in a long time so i cant say whether its in a good place or not
i also didnt mention vintage or premodern since i have never played those formats

>>96334731
I only play standard and I like it. I don't like non-rotating formats.

>>96334682
https://premodernmagic.com/blog/why-premodern-uses-contemporary-rules/

>>96334731
Standard is a huge shit right now, you can't play two games without seeing a fucking Vivi and you don't have the answers that deck would require. And what's worse i'm 100% sure at this point that JOTC will let this shit rot until november.
I have fun in Pioneer lately with Raffine Midrange

Anticausal vestige is the shittiest card in a while, absolute garbo, but also the most interesting deck building challenge in a while. It's so close to being playable, but is ultimately just a newbie Timmy/Johnny trap. A Thonny trap, if you will.

>>96334827
Some fags say is ban worthy
Some fags say is not even playable
Who you believe?

>>96334844
The latter.

if this motherfucker's card doesn't exile your entire library i'm going to be very disappointed

>Anticausal Vestige
Clearly a rookie's card...

>A 1/1 mouse
*sweats*

>>96334605
Modern before Horizons was pretty good, all formats were good before Horizons. Maybe that's not the sweetspot for them but it's a good enough starting point in your research for a battlebox quest. You are trying to make a battlebox, right? It's the only good way to play nowadays, since the official formats are all so shit.

>>96334861
I'm ready to be disappointed by Koh

>>96334943
I'm ready to ship Koh with Sheoldred

Crunch time boys. My deck isn't that good but has some tricks to it.

>>96334861
He should be a tutor with some high risk condition.

>>96334861
Best we can do is make a treasure token or draw a card

>>96335032
>entry fee returned
>day 2 with chance to win $500-2000 dollars and free drafts regardless

draftchads stay winning

t. pinkiechad

When this fuckers will understand this is the level of interaction the game is in need of? Set after set they print overcosted/sorcery trash and set after the bullshit destroy formats. Is time they bite the bullet, take the head out of their assholes and start printing variations and reprints of peak interaction.

>>96333538
nta but removing a body and it instantly gives another body thats not a vanilla creature token or say a treasure/clue/food/etc is quite strong.
its a big creature by itself with high station value. you warp it, station it, it leaves the battlefield and the mana you spent on it is meaningless because even your tapped lands count towards the creature you will drop off of it. and it can fit any color deck.

>>96335253

Weak removal would be totally fine if literally every threat wasn't "kill me NOW or you lose" or "I generate such insane value so fast that killing me still means you're behind".

Unpopular truth nuke: Only good formats Magic has ever had were the formats with such weak threats that players could literally skip their first couple turns and still turn it around and win.

>>96335253
The entire reserve list needs reprints. Not the modern nu-magic reprints. Just printing the original card as it was. They can even put that stupid List symbol on the bottom left as long as they don't put their awful nu-borders and the garbage that they've been pretending is "art" in the last couple years. Commander faggots have driven the price of all those cards into the exosphere and it makes it so you have to take out a mortgage just to get into Legacy and vintage and even to play quite a few premodern decks. The market needs to be flooded with those cards.

>>96335032
>>96335172
Damn you went undefeated with Blue-Red in this set? Mad respect.

>>96335253
I hope they never ever ever print this piece of shit again outside of commander products.

>>96335253
>give white a good card for once
A Tall Ask.

>>96333924
They are broken because the card pool is insane, too many interactions that should not be allowed to coexist, as standard was proposed to be until they threw that notion out of the window.

They should reprint Gitaxian Probe and only Gitaxian Probe. Non-blue decks simply don't deserve respect or acknowledgement for they are utterly inferior in all possible regards.

https://www.tumblr.com/markrosewater/792067533867008000/are-you-guys-hearing-from-players-at-a-level-that?source=share
>uh did you just heckin say that players are overwhelmed? But our data says we are making money which shows it's not the case so ... you're just anti science

>>96335396
>They are broken because the card pool is insane
Card pool size is not the only problem. FIRE design is a large part of what is wrong with standard. Nu-extended (what we call standard now) is even worse than what Extended used to be.

>>96335407
I mean, if cards are selling more then ever before, the audience clearly is liking the way things are going. To a business, nothing else matters.

>>96335383
I had an okay but not great pool so I tried to give myself outs to win with cards people wouldn't expect, like Sawship. It's a bad card in general but in sealed it can often let you kill people out of nowhere and no one expects it because it isn't played much. In the later rounds it was mostly about trying to kill people before they could win with their Quantum Riddlers and Ourowhatever his name is. The one game I lost was to Gene Pollinators into Genemorph Imago

>>96335407
It's interesting how many sock puppets Nosewater has.

>>96335407
Fuck everytime i read statements from this piece of shit i really wanna slap his fucking face...
What's worse they made up data and tells you to fuck off because that's their truth.

It's Rosewater, ok?

>>96335450
It's funny how their stocks are still down compared to 2017-2019. Barely over 2015 levels.

>>96335485
That's mostly because Hasbro has somehow managed to tank every single other IP they own BUT Magic. I have no idea how a company this large can be this incompetent, but it happens.

>>96335515
Didn't they try to fuck over content creators with DnD then write an apology letter in an evil villain tone

>>96335485
If wotc was spun off its stock would have mooned hard. Wizards is extremely profitable, it’s Hasbro’s other businesses that are failing. A group of activist investors tried to force them to spin off Wizards for this reason and failed

Chris Cox got promoted to CEO of Hasbro because of his success at running Wizards

>>96335450
How is the data made up? It's very obvious that FF has been a resounding, staggering success.

https://archidekt.com/decks/15161051/rw

deck adv? i really wanna run 3 consecutive rounds of combat with like 15 3/3's with hella keywords

>>96335530
>commander

You play real Magic here, fren

>>96335587
mb dood wrong thread

thoughts tho?

>>96335438
>I mean...
Opinion discarded

Opponent has 10/10 trample.
I have 1/1 FS DT.
Will 9 damage still go through and hit my face?

>>96335627
No, their creature will die before doing any damage.

>>96335631
retard
>>96335627
yes. trample damage occurs during the damage calc step, after than comes the end of combat step, where deathtouch comes in and kills everything touched.

>>96335638
>retard
FS stands for first strike, does it not?

>>96335650
well you got me there

>trigger simulacrum synthesizer 3 times on turn 4
>with only 4 lands

lmao pinnacle emissary is so fucking busted
pinnacle -> pinnacle -> affinity and bing bing 40 damage on board

>>96335724
I'm convinced it'll see a big amount of play eventually, it can easily explode into an autowin with the right cards. It's probably the strongest EoE card to be added to standard outside Consult the Star Charts. The only reason people don't seem interested in running it is probably because Vivi exists and has the same mana cost.

>>96335888
and does stupid things with 0 mana artifact spells of which there are 2 in standard already

>>96335925
>high roll: 5 1/1s on t2
vs
>high roll: omni on t2
your other deck seemed better

>>96335925
>Let's print a new mox so that the dragon decks have a way to ramp out those dragons!
>We just put a bunch of affinity cards in Aetherdrift and we're gonna have even more artifact synergies in Edge of Eternities. Won't that cause problems?
>Nah, just make it only work if you already control a dragon. At best it'll be a worse Darksteel Relic.
>Proceed to print a card that gives you a 1/1 flyer for each artifact spell you cast
Very intelligent people designing these sets.

>>96335971
>Mox is actually total shit at its "intended" purpose because it's only live AFTER you play the 6-drop

>>96335724
>>96335888
What would take for Affinity to be as playable in Standard and Pioneer as in Modern? I mean we have a lot of Artifact matters sets and the archetype is still not top tier...

>>96336022
in pioneer we need mox opal, but I don't think we'll ever get metalcraft in another standard set, it's been like 15 years since SOM

>>96335958
You can't cheat out omni on turn 2 in standard, its a turn 4 deck with kona

>>96336022
In terms of playability in standard, you'd probably just have to ban Vivi. He does so much on his own that there's no reason to run any other izzet deck unless you want to run a budget deck. Outside of that, the rest of the components are there, though maybe the deck might want some more tapped artifact lands. What I find interesting is that Cavern of Souls and Secluded Courtyard let you play whatever robots you want, and we have more than enough one-drops (including a Springleaf Drum-bot) to allow for easy ways to dump your hand out.

Alpha came out in 1993 and Eventide came out in 2008. This means that game has gotten worse (2008) for longer than it was ever good (15 years). I draw the line around Eventide because that's when mythic rarity, planeswalkers, and gold fatigue really took off. Alara was fine lorewise but I didn't like how much it pushed 3+ color cards. 3 years later WotC released its first Commander set and that was the last nail in the coffin. We went from 30 new legendary creatures a year to over 300 new releases.

https://scryfall.com/search?q=%28type%3Acreature+type%3Alegendary%29+%28game%3Apaper%29+is%3Afirstprint+year%3D2025&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name

>>96332273 (OP)
Am I insane for collecting random commons?
I buy these random common packs for 75 cards per dollar, which either includes 2 uncommon or 1 rare.

I don't even really play the game. I just like them.

>>96336120
I respectfully disagree.

>>96336055
>I don't think we'll ever get metalcraft in another standard set
The problem with metalcraft is that WotC's obsession with complexity/powercreep demands that they keep making artifacts that do more and more crap. The downside of focusing on metalcraft in the past was that you had to rely on a bunch of junk or mediocre creatures to get your effects turned on. Now, pretty much all artifacts come with a diverse selection of sorceries to make them worth using in any situation, making it extremely easy to turn it on.

The point being, if they tune metalcraft to be playable in limited, then it'll easily break standard because of not only how many artifacts exist in the format, but because they all have decent etbs. If they tune it so that it doesn't break standard, then it will probably be useless in limited, which would probably also apply even if they made a different keywords that cares about having 4 or even more artifacts instead.

>>96336134
Nah, they're good arts and crafts cardboard.

Paying $75 for a single card is what's stupid. Just proxy.

>>96336150
>The downside of focusing on metalcraft in the past was that you had to rely on a bunch of junk or mediocre creatures
this has literally never been true

>>96336148
Elaborate.

>>96336155
Sorry it's been too long, I don't remember a time when the main metalcraft card wasn't Mox Opal. The only other metalcraft cards I've ever seen played outside mox was Etched Champion and Darksteel Paladin.

>>96336063
>turn 4 deck with kona
Turn 3 with ramp

>>96335611
Thank god I'm not the only person that feels this way.

When you were busy playing alchemy against 2 other people, I studied the pick order. When you were having homosexual sex, I mastered the format. While you wasted your days at the in pursuit of vanity, I cultivated inner strength. And now that $2000 is available you have the audacity to come to me for help.

>>96336150
> rely on a bunch of junk or mediocre creatures to get your effects turned on
Or just run artifact lands like in pauper.

UMMM Stadard bros... Is Standard FLOURISHING yet?

>>96336349
that's a +6 swing for control since last week

>>96334682
Pissmodern and 93/94 use modern rules.
They are both meme scam formats for boomers terrified of competition.

>>96336359
And the only deck that's getting the bump in play still can barely get past Vivi or Dimir

>>96336349
Nadu was banned at 20% meta share.

>>96334597
They might delve a bit into the comics, and as Sozin shows, they're not STRICTLY limited to the show's own timeframe, they might delve a bit into the past. Probably not to any of the stuff Korra elaborated on like the first Avatar or whatever, but still.

>>96335522
They tried to fuck over everybody with D&D to the point that Paizo got a boost just by standing next to them while WotC stabbed themselves.

>>96336171
I think Magic is still a pretty good game. I don't like UBshit but I enjoyed, say, Crimson Vow considerably more then I enjoyed Tempest or Odyssey.

god I wish mtga didn't have a fucked up economy where it costs mythic wildcards, the most expensive currency, to buy lands that cost $7 in paper, so I struggle to hit my white pips
any suggestions tho lmao
this meta is so fast maybe I'll cut doj

>>96336415
oh yeah shit I just remembered Reroute Systems exists
swapping it now

>>96336415
why dragonhawk? you don't have any creatures with 4+ power outside of kona and exiled cards don't work for omni. what is he accomplishing in the deck?

>>96336448
Exact same thing as Roxanne except faster
I challenge you to find me any other legendary finisher that wins the game on the spot faster than Dragonhawk

Roxanne is 2 damage per loop and requires you to resolve an extra, targeted trigger
Dragonhawk is 6 damage per loop if you have kona and station seriema, and its untargeted so you don't have to click through it
Both roxanne and dragonhawk are pretty dead cards in hand. Yeah starting town can let you cast roxanne sometimes but rarely matters if you do. Doubtful you'd ever have two red pips

You can basically narrow down the list to
>legendary creatures with etb/cast triggers with damage, life loss or mill
and dragonhawk is the fastest, there's no spaghetti monster 15/15 take an extra turn

I genuinely feel MtG is reaching EoL as a game.
Not in the sense "Commander isn't real Magic" like, legit Pokemon-tier "people buy the cards to collect, and don't play."
I'd say maybe 80% of the people I see playing Magic at my LGS have been playing for more than a few months. Even in online communities you would generally expect to be filled with more experienced people, it's all "I started in Bloomburrow/Duskmourn/Final Fantasy."
I genuinely feel that MtG, as a game, is pretty much done and it's not going to get better.

>>96336349
>Combo dead
>Control sitting at less than 15%
>EVERYTHING is fucking Aggro
How can you fuck up balance this badly? In fact how can you fuck balance this badly AFTER seven bans?

Was EoE a failure of a set? I'm hoping Spiderman and Avatar are failures too.

>>96336494
Hasbro wants to turn MtG into Fortnite

>>96336494
how is the game being filled with an influx of new players a sign of it being done

>>96336524
Yeah this is cope for modern boomers that can’t let go. I primarily play limited and think the game is the best that has ever been. The game has more players than ever before and is more profitable than ever before. It’s okay to not like it and peace out but magic is flourishing unironically. I don’t like Commander but don’t cope by arguing it’s a failure on its last legs

>>96336494
>I genuinely feel that MtG, as a game, is pretty much done and it's not going to get better.
that's how I felt back in 2020

>>96336063
You can still go llanowar into manifest dread into splash portal for t2 omni, it's just not reliable.

>>96336494
>I genuinely feel MtG is reaching EoL as a game.
Doomers have been saying this for decades, you've cried wolf far too many times.

>>96336494
>Not in the sense "Commander isn't real Magic" like, legit Pokemon-tier "people buy the cards to collect, and don't play."
It's a post-game unregulated collectables bubble basically.

>>96336494
If people were buying the cards to collect and not play, your LGS would not be full of new players

>>96336524
>How is extremely low player retention despite growing sales indicative that fewer people are playing?

>>96336600
Bloomburrow came out over a full year ago. If someone started there and are still playing, they've been retained for a full year. There's no signs of this supposed low retention.

Sorcery. make the switch.

>>96336616
Based William Regal, best wrestler and apparently man with impeccable taste.

>final fantasy makes 200 million on day one
>arena’s servers were overloaded

Magic was supposed to be dead, stop! It has to return to my boomer fantasies!

>>96336674
honestly i'm still thinking about that sum and how it's all going to be set on fire. the single most profitable MTG set ever made, and all of it will be instantly deleted in the giant Hasbro money pit.

>>96336690
Yeah, this is actually one of the reasons publicly traded corporations can be spun off. To prevent successful businesses from being cannibalized for failing ones

>>96336690
>>96336777
Didn't someone try to get WotC to leave Hasbro a few years back and failed?

>>96336801
Yes I mentioned it earlier when someone brought up the stock price. They correctly believed that Wizards stock would moon because of its growth and increasing revenue

Would you get dirty looks at certain tables if you played this?

>>96336829
...no? I'd laugh. This is a dogshit cantrip.

>>96334614
Why is it so hard to play exactly this in arena? I agree that it’s the best, but instead it’s all sealed slop

>>96336821
Yeah, I feel like even from an outside perspective it's not hard to see Hasbro has been shitting the bed for a while now, and WotC has been doing relatively well. Literally the only recent stuff I can remember from Hasbro that wasn't WotC was Monopoly Go and the Transformers movies, what the fuck else are they even doing nowadays? Just looking through their wikipedia article baffles me.
>2022 they manage to stave off WotC leaving
>2023 they laid off 20% of ALL employees
>2024 they reported almost $1.5 billion in losses
In 2023 they tried reviving Furby, of all fucking things. I'm sure they understand WotC is the only thing keeping them afloat and that's why they fight so hard to keep it, but what the fuck does WotC get out of the deal?

>>96336413
NTA
"Its still enjoyable" is not the same as "its better now". You can still have some fun (or w/e you feel when you play) even if the game is bad/worse now.
And that sentiment is what makes so they are still in the market.

>>96336866
It's the card art anon.

Alright boys, I put together this premodern soldiers deck. I hope it does good. Just straightforward white weenie but cooler because it's soldiers (and two angels). The normal White Weenie is boring in comparison.

>>96336930
Looks cool.

>>96332381
If Vivi becomes the new Sheoldred. What cards would need to be printed to weakened it?

Vivi the Apocalypse {URB}
Legendary Creature - Phyrexian Wizard
0: Add X mana in any combination of U, R and/or B, where X is Vivi's power. Activate only during your own turn and only once each turn.
Whenever any player draws a card, put a +1/+1 counter on vivi and it deals 1 damage to each opponent and you gain 1 life.
0/3

>>96336929
what about it?

>>96336929
oh no anon, don't look!

>>96336120
Eventide is within a year or two of where I draw the line for the old game I loved as a kid, for similar reasons. But there were good sets for a few years still after that.
But MTG has improved a lot over the last ~5 years.
The years before that were truly the Dark ages. Roughly 2015-2020 or 2021 were the low point of MTG's history. The game was in an absolute dogshit state for everything after KTK up through the early Arena-era sets.

>>96336586
How many people playing today were playing even 5 years ago?

>>96336494
i wish it was sometimes just out of spite for what theyve done to the game but its likely never gonna happen or at least not anytime soon

>>96337337
>Roughly 2015-2020 or 2021 were the low point of MTG's history.
I mostly agree. I got into Magic around whenever Theros came out and there was definitely a huge drop off from BFZ onward that kept getting worse until sometime after Modern Horizons 2 (wasn't playing at that point, but people told me Kamigawa Neon Dynasty was when the game started feeling better, at least until Sheoldred came around). I've met and played with various veterans of the series and played with old decks they either played in the 90s or the 2000s standard (including an affinity deck someone brought to a pro tour), and it was a really fun experience. Kamigawa/Ravnica-standard in particular was way more fun than I thought it would be, at least compared to the powerlevel of the cards.

I think the game is overall heading in a much better direction than it has been in the past, which feels weird to say considering all the gross decisions WotC has been making lately, but it was enough to pull me back in. Assuming they can ban at least Cauldron or Vivi and prevent future cards like them from taking over standard (fingers crossed), then the game will finally be fun to play again. It's definitely not the game it once was anymore, but the core mechanics are still there and there's still a lot of creativity that can go into deckbuilding.

>>96337345
I don't think there's been any years where the casuals didn't outnumber the veterans significantly, except maybe very early on.

>>96334578
hello brothertobias

20 years too late?

>>96337670
The franchise had a live-action adaptation last year and a new animated sequel series is in production right now. Also, people still love the original series. No, it's not too late.

Airbend GODS it's time

>>96337670
FIN had cards from nearly 35+ year old games that weren't originally released in america.

>>96337681
If anything, now is a great time since a good number of fans have grown up to have disposable income.

>>96337757
So basically flicker with cast triggers and extra hoops.

>>96337769
Should be very fun to airbend Permanents with Flash. Flickering stuff usually either makes it happen immediately or at the endstep, so this is kinda new and fresh.

>>96337776
FLASH FLYING?!
FLASH FLYING!

FLASH FLYING FLASH FLYING FLASH FLYING FLASH FLYING FLASH FLYING FLASH FLYING FLASH FLYING FLASH FLYING!!!!!!!

>>96337779
My personal choice of flash flying seethe is this lil pirate

>>96337757
bant airchads inc??

>>96337776
That actually sounds pretty fun with Ephara even without the cost reduction

>>96337786
>>96337785
We are so back

>>96337670
>Adult Aang movie out next year

Nope! Just in time

>>96337757
Bear druid? Not platypus bear druid? Or skunk bear druid? Or armadillo bear druid? Or gopher bear druid?

>>96337811
how much of a coombrained gooner do you have to be to bring a cum covered loli harem playmat to a LGS though

>>96337841
Enough to be a MTG player, apparently.

>>96337841
go to commander night at your lgs and be in for a surprise

>>96337757
>>96337785
I'm kinda surprised neither of these cards are present on Mtgtop8, at least the Doc. I guess it's just because they were either too slow pre-Monstrous Rage ban or didn't get enough value from what they did immediately like with Sheoldred or Up the Beanstalk.

>>96335372
I remember when Tarmogoyf was king of Modern, all while being just a 2 mana x/x+1 beatstick with no other abilities and basically a 2~3 turn clock if you didnt have blockers. Those were the times, man....

>>96338018
It upsets me that cards like this exist that are just better than Tarmogoyf. There are so many cards that are just flat out better than old staples and there's no reason to even consider running the old cards outside of them being pet cards.
Barrowgoyf or Nethergoyf vs Tarmogoyf
DRC vs Delver
Murktide vs any delve beater
Nadu vs Knight of the Reliquary

The good news about WotC chasing commander and scalpers is that they probably will retire future Modern Horizon products. Powercreeps will be accidental rather than intentional.

>>96338049
The nice thing about the rampant powercreep is that it makes it easy to stop spending and that I can laugh at the dumpsterfire that the competitive formats have become.

>>96338061
They'll just rename it Contemporary Commander or some shit and make the cards legal in both formats.

>>96338049

they still call the decks delver, but most don't run delver.

>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71876&f=PREM
45 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71875&f=PREM
40 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71540&f=PREM
81 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71249&f=PREM
107 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71247&f=PREM
60 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71452&f=PREM
50 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=69859&f=PREM
177 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68956&f=PREM
66 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68886&f=PREM
84 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68297&f=PREM
279 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68163&f=PREM
92 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=67416&f=PREM
52 players

Embrace tradition.
Come back to Premodern, /tg/.
Come back home...

>>96337841
Just be the average loonified, troonified 4channy.

>Another finger on the monkey's paw curls up
What could go wrong?

>>96338370
trans allegory

Please don't allow WotC to ruin Lorwyn
Please don't allow WotC to ruin Lorwyn
Please don't allow WotC to ruin Lorwyn

>>96338370
>>96338399
it will be a coming out of the closet story. a place previously full of hatred turned a new leaf. totally not explained and everything will be all smiles. a fantasy dystopia but the bigger picture will go over most people's heads

You did qualify for day two of the Arena Open right anon? You're not a brainlet who is bad at limited?

>one of the most universally loathed cards ever printed
>still legal in every format except standard and pauper
Why

>>96338632
i was gonna talk about how it's an alternative clock that's difficult to interact with, allows you to play solitaire, and punishes people that play "traditional" decks that turn creatures sideways but then i remembered mill exists so i dunno.

>>96337806
just... "Bear"

>>96338632
in Pioneer it is only played in Lotus Field though

Is there a functional deck in standard that never attacks to win?

>>96338632
Is shit nowadays and that talks very badly about the amount of powercreep this game has suffered.

Why didn't the people who bound valgavoth to the house just burn it down? That plotline makes no sense.

>>96334605
Judge tower, Vintage cube, Dandan, Battlebond

>>96339022
Thanks
Whats the winrate?

>>96334641
>draft
I fell asleep drafting eternity edge last week

>>96339008
There are some munitions decks, they're munitions tier. There's that deck that can combo tutor a boommobile but will often win games with Simulacrum Synthesizer and attacking. I think there may be something with Doomsday Excruciator but that's never going to be a top deck. There are a lot of things you can do with Devastating Onslaught but you're kind of memeing yourself if you don't try to win attacking in that kind of space.

>>96339146
Thank you i will look into those. I guess mill is not a thing, thats my standard go to

of all the cross overs they've done, avatar seems like it could actually fit mtg the most. At least its magic and neatly split into different types.

>>96338632
it doesn't do anything relevant in pioneer
it doesn't do anything relevant in modern
it wouldn't solve the problem if it was banned in legacy
it doesn't do anything relevant in vintage

as far as I know this is only really a problem for edh

>>96339124
0% lol
but seriously, Maze's End needs the game to go long, which doesn't happen in current standard. You can, however, make a pretty alright FogGates deck for Pauper with it, so I recommend you do that.

>>96339544
>You can, however, make a pretty alright FogGates deck for Pauper with it, so I recommend you do that.
putting mythics in your pauper deck is currazy behavior

Why do people want commander in mtga/ a commander client? Everyone is gonna minmax and the social component is not present
i cant imagine a more cancerous format

>>96339673
I want to play with friends over skype on an automated system that is not modo

>>96339673
They'd be running their algo that forces sweaty comp players to play against other sweaty comp players and casuals with shit decks to play against casuals with shit decks.

>>96338399
>TIME TO RUIN LORWYN AGAIN!

>>96339167
I just remembered another one, Demonic Pact + Harmless Offering. I think you can turn it into a real deck that wins against stuff like red decks because the bargain cards are kind of real, the issue is that Vivi, Esper, Dimir... will laugh at you if they know what's going on.

>>96339673
The "social component" is the worst part of Coommander. It's just an excuse for playing poorly and/or angleshooting.

>>96339741
It's a four player format. Like how do you imagine it without a social component?

>>96339698
Fair i guess but thats really niche that cant be all the people

I cant imagine playing commander with people i am atleast not work colleague level familiar
Same with DnD

>>96339673
I would rather they adding fucking Modern already even Modern little rather than Cummander a thing that obviously the pasta code of Arena can’t handle.

>>96339833
How about fuck both and add a playable format instead

>Open deck builder
>type in cats
>add in every white card
>hit mythic
its THAT easy

>>96338399
what are the expectations for new lorwyn?

>>96339911
Expectation 1: Dissapointment
Expectation 2: Power creep
Expectation 3: Cool art at least…

>>96339963
Off to a good start lmao, the gay utopia is coming

>>96339963
please no...

>>96339963
>We want the fujo audience

>>96334605
Cube drafting IRL. And it’s not even close. Drafting a box of original conspiracy is a close second but those days are past.

>>96339963
I swear to god if they ruin Lorwyn too…

>>96339963
i told you niggers that returning to the good planes was going to be a mistake

>>96338370
I'm gonna fucking due of laughter if it turns to modern DND. The pink and purple are not selling the set so far.

>>96339963
>White Guilt-leaf

>>96339963
Yet again the following is proven true:
>Old = Good
>New = Bad
The new art lacks anything close resembling SOVL. Especially with the Hollywood superhero slop movie poster color pallet. Excessively vibrant slop.

What would need to happen at WotC for there to be a mass firing of employees? I think it happened to the DnD side of AotC but not the MtG side.

>>96340169
Hasbro bankruptcy

>>96340169
Firing people doesn't solve the "everything is Kicker" problem. MtG is just a zombie propped up with the necromancy of IP mash-up.

>>96340199
>Firing people doesn't solve the "everything is Kicker" problem
It does, it makes them flip burgers at McDonald's.

>>96339963
rip

>>96340229
They will never reproduce this amount of SOVL ever again.
OLD = GOOD
NEW = BAD
EVERY
SINGLE
TIME

Is there anything to be said for another ravnica set?

This is what you all choose.
You bought Kamigawa
You enjoyed DnD set
You were fine with UB
You celebrated FF
And now WotC are actively trying to ruin in-universe sets
This is all your fault.

>>96340315
War of the Spark kinda milked ravnica dry.

>>96340321
they were already doing that before any of that happened though

>>96340321
>>>>Now

It's garbage when even the small time grinder leagues looks like this

>>96340350
based control player facing the vivi menace alone

On cardmarket, the set of some cards is listed as "[set name]: Extras", what are those extras?
I.e. the alt border Dracogenesis is in Tarkir Dragonstorm: Extras, what is that?

>>96340540
I always assumed the extras were just the special art versions

>>96340551
But they can be pulled in the regular packs? Or are they collectors only?

>>96340576
Most can be gotten in normal draft packs, but some are only in collectors packs.

>>96340357
> In the August 11 Standard Last Chance tournament, the top three finishers all played Azorius Control, showing that the deck can perform well in a metagame dominated by Izzet Cauldron.
It has felt good, it's definitely an upgrade from the trash WR tokens I had been playing. Kaito decks eat you but they're falling out.

>>96340629
>Azorius Control
The most boring deck both to play with and play against in any format. They really should stop printing white board wipes to force these players to play something more active.

I opened $240 of final fantasy boosters and only got $240 worth of cards.
>inb4 vivi banned

>>96340656
just get a surge foil or whatever next time bro

>>96340656
But did you get the cards you wanted?

ban vivi or solve it with powercreep?

>>96340683
they'll 100% ban an older card and THEN powercreep it anyway

>>96340683
wait until it doesnt matter anymore and then ban it and also powercreep it in the next set

>>96340683
Powercreep never solved any problems. It just makes them worse.

In the past two days, I got matched against like four slime decks on MtG Arena in standard. Pretty sure they were all different people, too. Is this a meme or something?

>>96340782
exactly what wotc is doing then

>>96340654
I enjoy playing with and against it, but I also don't have trouble conceding games I have lost interest in. If I'm playing some GW rabbits pile and I have no board and no cards while my opponent is at 10 and has 5 cards in hand I'm not going to wait to see him make treasures and sac them with fountainport until he decides it's safe to kill me, I just move on to the next game. If I was seeing UW every other game maybe I could understand the complaint but wraths are a very fundamental pillar of the balance of the game.

>>96340864
How does it even look in Standard. It's missing pieces to make it viable in my mind.

>>96340864
I didn't play whatever format this was but I always see it when they make pauper in the events and it just pisses me off.

>>96340654
lel someone got filtered hard

I would be extremely surprised if they banned Vivi over Cauldron.

UB: Chris Chan when?

>>96341064
One was doing Golgari self-mill and another had it in a Temur deck with a bunch of red self-discard stuff along with Dragonback Assault. Terrasymbiosis let them draw a ton of cards each turn.

>>96341129
chris chan has canonically had sex

>>96341129
>Christine
Isn't it back to Chris?

>>96340864
Probably bots

Hey guys I heard from a guy who heard from a guy that WotC's licensing deal with Disney fell through so there will only be one print wave of the Spider-Man set. One print wave of collectors boosters and all that jazz. Any thoughts?

>>96341708
god I wish there was only one wave of play boxes so this game would fucking finally die. oh who am I kidding. they'd just say the set was the best selling set of all time since it sold out in record time

>>96341708
>any thoughts
even one run it too many

>>96341708
Idk if that's true, what is true tho is that they didn't get the Digital rights so Arena is actually getting the set with different names and art.
Wish we could get those cards in paper tbdesu i hate capeslop.

>>96341708
I heard the rumor, and it makes a lot of sense. Collector boosters are usually one-and-done regardless, though.

Spiderman being a standard-legal would mean it's likely we will get the universes within arena version printed on paper to meet standard demand. I would bet the cards would end up being unused artwork slop, but that sounds way more appealing than spiderslop.

>Through the Omenpaths
>new art, names and fitting with MtGs own settings
>not capeslop
Its not fair only arena gets them

>>96339428
It's only irrelevant because everything that combos with it gets banned

>>96340864
Aren't those "your deck may contain any number of cards named..." cards free after you craft the first copy? So I think the trick is that they're very cheap in the Arena economy.

>Sheoldred still not banned
>Still £99.99 for the basic bitch version
Shes going to stick around till dominaria is out of rotation huh?

>>96342326
holy shit a time traveler, how's 2022 treating you buddy? it's gonna get so much worse

>>96342298
You need 4 copies, but yeah very cheap. Probably some streamer made a video for budget decks.

>>96342326
Nobody tell him.

>>96342326
Dominaria rotated out of standard in like 2019

>>96340864
I usually play against it when playing strong grave hate.

Sheoldred was also never a problem.

>>96341708
Collector boosters are always a one time thing. At least they already commissioned new art for Arena they can print if standard players complain.

>>96342326
The gibberish version is less expensive.

>>96342545
I was surprised by this when i looked her up recently, why is this?
It's way cooler than the regular version and it's a legal card.

>>96342555
Lack of demand, relatively. Special versions matter a lot less when there are a ton of them out there.

Guys, I'm a bit worried about the state of this game. Loot has been absent for 5 sets in a row. Please please tell me Loot will be back for Lorwyn.

>>96342731
>Guys, I'm a bit worried about the state of this game. Loot has been absent for 5 sets in a row.
the situation is dire
surely he'll be around for E V E N T S E T

>>96341708
Can we cancel all the fucking Marvels slops?
Or better all the UB garbage?

>>96342910
doesn't matter, spidermand and marvel arts won't be coming to digital

>>96342928
Arena chads win again...

>>96342326
>Sheo got rotated out of Standard by FIRE

>>96342326
anon she rotated out of standard when edge of eternities came out

>>96340069
>if

You don't fix the game wwith Powercreep.
Sheoldred was a "fine" but retards complained... Then we had Slickshot, then Rage, then the Mice package, then Leyline of Resonance, then Cutter and finally the jewel of the crown: Vivi. All of this cards kicked Sheoldred out of playability and now you have a format with more than 80% Aggro.

WotC just don't know how design shit and the fact they powercreep more the formats set after set shows this.

>>96342978
>Sheoldred was a "fine" but retards complained... Then we had Slickshot, then Rage, then the Mice package, then Leyline of Resonance, then Cutter and finally the jewel of the crown: Vivi.
Cutter is FAR, FAR, FAR, FAR, FAR worse than Vivi.

>>96342731
He'll be in Strixhaven and the set after since that will be the end of the current arc.

Standard is a dumpsterfire of a format regardless.

oh boy aren't you excited for EVENT SET!??!?!?!
The creativity is off the charts with this one!

>>96339963
It's only one piece of art. Maybe it won't be that bad...

I wonder if new Llorwyn will get them to walk back their post-llorwyn claim of "nobody in the multiverse ever invented racism."

>>96343152
Dangerous words to say, brother.

Do you guys think WOTC will ever formally drop support for any non-Commander formats?
Will we ever see a world where Magic is strictly just Commander?

>>96343173
Why would they? All the cards are designed with Commander in mind anyway.

>>96343173
>Formally
No lmao
They'll just do what they did with Oathbreaker and silently stop posting updates. Every format will become Legacy where it only exists on paper for Commander cards.

Did you secure your spiderman collectors and play boxes?
It's going to the moon due to the low allocation and digital licensing issues.
Do not miss out.

>>96343230
>Did you secure your spiderman collectors and play boxes?
No. I'm going to engineer octopus arms, break into the facility and steal them all while cackling maniacally.

>>96343230
No. I am saving gold coins for Universes Within packs.

>>96343162
Haha you think there's gonna be racism in Lorwyn when Magic "story" is now fluffy feel-goods with all conflict being resolved off-page.

>>96343173
Why even we are already living in a “Cummander matters” game, UB is the final probe, hell they even shit on formats because they design for commander instead of constructed.

>>96343318
Commander is constructed. We call everything else "60 card formats".

ban every card except for island, mountain, negate, lightning strike, and hill giant

>>96343152
Give me some of that copium brother

>>96343339
This would make for a stale meta.

>>96343322
Cummander will never bee constructed the same way ludo will never be chess, you can have fun with both but they are not even the same game and one is for actual adults that enjoy strategic card game. Sadly they are slowsly killing every resemblance of that outside of formats like Premodern.

>>96343339
>Mountain
Mountain
>Mountain
Mountain
>Mountain
Why are all red players retarded?

>>96343348
ok, you can have brainstorm and soldier of fortune as well.

>>96339963
Are you guys ready for a group of stunning and brave elves to smash the heck outta racism?

>>96343375
If they ruin Lorwyn too what’s left for us in this game? I mean which plane would be good enough to be excited for a in-universe set?

>>96343375
i'm ready to cantrip 9001 times and attack with an otter that has trample

>>96343375
>>96343408
For me? It's cantripping 9001 times then attacking with a monk that has has trample.

>>96343395
Kaladesh.

>>96343395
return to homelands, fallen empires: ebon grasp, ice age: whispers in ronom

>>96343395
Arabian Nights lmao, do it fucking cowards!!!

>>96342731
The fate of every hero ... now that no pair of breast in the multiverse remains, Loot has nowhere else to go.

>>96343432
>wanting to return to jeetladesh
W E W

>>96343395
Amonkhet was never particularly great, but the lore was good enough for me, and I find it very hard to imagine they could somehow make it any worse than what they did with Aetherdrift, especially considering it would be terrible optics for the diversity crowd.

>>96343706
Kaladesh. It was great.

>>96343712
Good morning saar!

>>96343719
Do you have brain damage?

>>96339963
There is literally nothing wrong with the art. You guys would cry about how a new font choice ruined the game if that's all you had to go off on.

>>96343735
>pattern recognition isn't real guys

>>96343725
No, I don't enjoy media based on street shitters

>>96343797
That's the same thing CEOs say when they try to convince you the line will keep going up forever.

>>96343840
it's then very good we have quite a few examples of line going down throughout history

>>96343851
So it's pretty clear that pattern recognition can fail.

>>96343860
the thing that fails is not the method, but the available information being used to identify the pattern

>>96343851
>it's then very good we have quite a few examples of line going down throughout history
Okay but, have you considered:
Line go up = our fault
Line go down = not our fault
????????????????

>>96343050
standard is FLOURISHING

>>96343893
>this time we have perfect information guys, I swear

>>96343735
Lorwyns elves and other creatures were specifically designed to look distinctly different from other planes and to be slightly unsettling. If you played back then, you'd understand the LORE reason of why.

Returning to Lorwyn but making everything look normal is like returning to Ravnica and deciding the guilds aren't important.

>>96344052
elaborate

>>96343974
i'm going to screnshot these posts and laugh about you once eclypse is another dumpsterfire

>>96344052
>you'd understand the LORE reason of why.
may I have the explanation please?

>>96340229
The flavor text on this card is really good.

>>96343893
Real intellectual heavy hitters itt.

>>96344199
Lot of cryptobros and pokemon scalpers larping as mtg players.

>>96344199
Still waiting for home computer and LLM crash.

>>96344256
>"Home computers didn't crash."
Computers in the 70s cost like 40 grand inflation adjusted, 15 grand in the 80s
You can get a home office PC for like 150 bucks today.

>>96344272
Because it turned out there was colossal demand so the market expanded and developed infrastructure to reduce production costs. It's like being stupid enough to say video games crashed after the NES because games cost the equivalent of $200 today.
MtG is only growing and WotC is smart enough to know what works. They wouldn't be a huge company that lasted 30 years if you were somehow smarter than them.

>>96344295
>"MTG will mirror the market path of personal computers"
Now THAT'S what I call retardation.

>>96344052
>If you played back then, you'd understand the LORE reason of why.
>source: I made it the fuck up

>>96344307
MtG is getting more new players every day and consistently breaking records. It's bigger now than ever before. It's going to keep getting bigger no matter how much you pretend it's going to crash just because of UB or one overtuned card every few sets.

>>96344323
>MtG is getting more new players every day and consistently breaking records.
LINE!
GO!
UP!

>>96344207
>buy cards
>play game for a hobby
>engage with other hobbyists
>have fun doing the hobby
almost no one buys the scalper chase alt art shit.
there's one kid at my lgs that has full alt art grixis wizards with miku snapcasters, but i think his dad owns a dealership or something.

>>96344331
I'm not seeing a big video game crash and that line has gone up 1983.

>>96344396
>I'm not seeing a big video game crash
Blind man claims fine art is not in decline.

>>96344272
You're off by some decades
Apple II cost $1,298 in 1977 bucks which is $7,168 today, and the MITS Altair 8800 was only $439 in 1974 without a display

Computers the size of entire rooms existed as punch card readers in the 1950s
ENIAC cost $500,000 to build between 1943-1945 and that's about $9.3 million today

>>96344382
Sorry, Mr. Rosewater. I'll buy my Magic the Gathering product like a good consumer. Avatar and Spiderman might be expensive but at least I enjooooy the hobby. Can't be a gambling addiction.

>>96344396
the crash was in '83 and was followed by a 2 year recession which ended coinciding with the NES coming to america just 2 months before christmas in '85.
>t. old

>>96344417
>buying sealed product
i know you're bullshitting, nobody here buys sealed product. 3/10 got me to reply.

>>96339963
I wish I could criticize the real issues with the game without being lumped in with all these alt-right neo-nazis who hate seeing brown people on cards or effeminate fae. FAE of all things they want to be ugly and masculine. Fuck man.

>>96344454
i dont believe any of that. there's MAYBE one guy and the rest are memeing because 4chinz

build me a squirming emergence deck worthy of mordor

>>96344382
>almost no one buys the scalper chase alt art shit.
This. I met a guy two weeks ago that proxied up his UG merfolk commander deck with penguin ai art just so that he could pretend to play penguin tribal. I imagine most people that actually care about that stuff and don’t have hundreds of dollars lying around will either proxy the art or generate their own.

>>96344474
Already tried brewing with it for about a week, you’re generally better off running a reanimator deck with Zombify or running a Kona/Yuna deck. There are already too many ways to cheat things into play that don’t really make it all that relevant anywhere. The best use for it is probably a dredger deck with a bunch of toolbox pieces like Awaken the Honored Dead.

>>96344561
that is EXTREMELY based
>noot noot motherfucker

>>96344052
It's mostly because they hired children's book illustrators to draw.

>>96344561
>"I know a guy."
>"I imagine most people..."
Keep imagining, bro. Remember, high prices for EDH staples are fake.

Wasn't there supposed to be a preview for the MTG animation 2 months at the Annecy film festival?

>>96344411
Inflation is a made up engineered bullshit feature to make you swallow the most bullshit of economy magic bullshit. To boil you slowly into accepting your role as a slave who will never buy himself free.
Adjust everything into consumer's real buying power instead.

>>96344779
inflation has existed in every economy since coinage began
the only fuckery comes about when inflation is managed by a central bank who prints funny money

>>96344857
>inflation has existed in every economy since coinage began
Wrong. Many historic economies have succumb to deflation, not inflation.

You rike?

No card in the recent 10 years of power creep and FIRE bullshit and all that really rubs my rhubarb like this fucking card
what the FUCK were they thinking
its not even the best or top tier or anything, its just the most obviously fucking degenerate

This fucking shit creates such an absurd advantage its totally insurmountable for normal fair decks. Its a check on whether you have instant speed removal to blow out auras or specific tech like nowhere to run or sweepers. But god forbid you're playing a fair strategy of any kind, because then its 2 mana for an oblivion ring, AND +1 power AND lifelink AND ward 2 on their creature which usually means its unkillable on curve with normal removal and makes huge life swings with each attack and your board got removed
its insane that just to remove a creature you have to pay as much mana as they invested in the sheltered by ghosts. They will always be up on tempo because even if you can 2-for-1 with removal its still paying as much or more mana to do it

This card seems like its just there to say fair magic isn't allowed to exist, you need to play degenerate combos or mass instant removal or mass sweepers. You're not allowed to build a board of attackers/blockers and trade removal for threats, not in a game where a 10/6 trample lifelink ward 4 optimistic scavenger is swinging into you after exiling two creatures.
bogles is supposed to be an archetype not a single fucking card

>>96345178
4 mana vanilla 3/3 its just like Legends set

>>96345184
just kill the creature in response man

This is extremely simple math.

Aggro/burn is acceptable when it can count to 20.
Aggro/burn is not acceptable when it can count to 30+.

This is not difficult to figure out. Any burn deck that packs 10+ reliable overkill damage is unacceptable.

This is extremely simple, Wizards.
Fix your fucking formats.

feels like edge of eternities was 5 years ago

>>96343482
>fallen empires

Sarpadia is a continent overrun by Thrulls, everyone else either died (orks,leitbur,elves etc) or left vodalians.

>>96345197
I've had numerous games that are

opp: t1 land, optimistic scavenger
me: t1 land, llanowar elves
opp: t2 land, sheltered by ghosts, attack for 3 lifelink

now fucking what
I won't be able to remove their threat until turn 4+

>>96345212
NEW SPOILER SEASON ALERT!!!!!!!!!

>>96345229
>I won't be able to remove their threat until turn 4+
Your edicts that can't deal with the mass free random token spam of FIRE design bro????
Your Nowhere to Run the card specifically designed to keep up with power creep bro!?!??!?!?!?

>>96345229
Why did you play your cringe ass mana dork instead of keeping mana up for torch the tower or stab?

>>96345233
>>96345233
>>96345233

Fuck man I can’t stand this volume of products I mean I’m still trying to figure out EoE and how to add new cards to brews and we will have already new cards showed with Spider-Man, then Avatar after that… Is just too much…


And what’s worse Nosewater will say:”It’s what people (faggots) want! Trust our data!”