Thread 96336810

Titans on Parade Edition

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Legacies: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books Scanned:
https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N

>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
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>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics

『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
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>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

>Thread Question:
Do you like the challenge system or is it a solved gimmick?

The fuck is she doing back there

>>96336818
Being disappointed at Plasma-kun

night lords or thousand sons, anons?

>>96336826
Got my bikes minus magnets done

>>96336832
Thousand Sons, no Magnus. Be a renegade company or strike force off doing their own thing looting temples and books.

>>96336832
Thousand Sons.

>>96336832
it's night lords for me

Reposting because last thread was kill. It's Saturday night and you're home alone, you're working on your models... Right anon?

Anon from last thread with the dad

Ive finalized my list

Amon
Prosperine sorcerer
10 man tactical squad with vox and raptora
10 man tactical squad with vox
Castellax achea with aether fire cannon
5 khenetai blades
Land Raider carrier

I think this should be better to play against what he has. If he chooses to take my assault squad as help i'll bump up the khenetai to 10 man

>>96336832
>tranny faction or macca faction

what kind of fucked up mind narrows it down to these two?

>>96336845
I'm coming off a 10 hour ahift and going to bed.

>>96336857
A man with looking for fun

>>96336857
The kind that would play either of those

>>96336845
Just came off a game. Basically lost at mission + deployment selection but didn't realize it until first turn - my list was 3 big blobs of castellax, a thanatar calix, and 2 squads of gal vorbak with delegatus, and we were playing heart of battle so half my list was useless because i couldnt see through all the big ruins and so once he stalled my gal vorbak with his suzerain + locutarus squads and jumped tacs on the central objective the game was basically over lol. Definitely think bringing at least thanatar cavas or karacnos is going to be crucial for mech to deal with the limited lines of sight...but on the other hand it was really funny when we realized mech characters are immune to challenges in an Automata unit, not that it helped since the 2 castellax + magos still got one turned by suzerain thunder hammers lol. Gal vorbak are definitely disappointing on their own, but I think with some support to deal with the 2+ save squads they'll do decent

>>96336897

I was considering the comically large blob of stock castellax, but evidently they didn't do great.
Did the big laser Thanatar get anything done? I liked the look of it but it not being able to split fire the Pinning 2 anti-infantry gun and the Sollex lascannon (as far as I can tell, anyway) put me off it somewhat.

>>96336897
Gal Vorbak just don't do anything. If you want to run AP3 at people just get vets or command squads

>>96336933
Yes but Gal Vorbak are cool

>>96336832
be honest have you been the same person asking about night lords or 1-3 other traitor legions the entire time or is it just your turn

>>96336810 (OP)
>Do you like the challenge system or is it a solved gimmick?
Challenge system is shit, you basically have 2 options as the one with advantage
Size if you are worried you are gonna lose the init roll
Finish if you are sure to win in.
Defending you either take
guard, or test

The entire challenge system is fucking ass, and always has been, just let character units dump their wounds into each others units, because all that ever ends up happening is, a challenge happens, and then the loser proceeds to get his squad wiped out by the character and then the rest of the unit.
Its Gimmicky and cumbersome, and just slows down the game play.

>>96336959
Real and agreed on all points. I am going to actively avoid all challenges when possible. It's just such a overt mini game in a game. Too much.

>>96337000
Unfathomly based miniature

>>96336943
just my turn i guess

>>96337000
Checked, Trips of truth. Challenges are henceforth banned.

Should the 3.0 rules designers be killed for incompetence?

>>96336959
>take thralls
>take a hammer or something similar on a magos
>grandstand
>5 extra attacks and you weren't going first anyway
ez

>>96336810 (OP)
>TQ
I'm really struggling to figure out if any option really matters compared to decapitation strike. You have a slow weapon, they have a fast one -> you're going last anyway, you'll want the extra damage. They have a slow and you've got a fast -> you'll probably go first anyway so go for decapitation strike. Mirror matches -> with equal weapons decap strike is still the best. The only situation where you'll ever pick anything else is if the other person picked it before you or if getting one extra damage won't reach any significant breakpoint.

>>96337035
well ok. night lords because they are much cooler

>>96336933
every squad you named is toughness 4, so precision absolutely fucks any primarchs or characters that join the squad.
Kraken bolters (4+ precision, wound on 4+ and breach on 4+) absolutely melts them.
Gal Vorbs give T5 like terminator bodyguards while not slowing your characters down like cata bodyguards would.
Tartaros are the closest, but lose a point of movement, have 2W instead of 3W+FNP and lose Fear(1) and Phage(strength) and Malefic.
If you have an important package to deliver, like Lorgar, then Gals get him there faster and more alive than the terminators or the T4 shitters.

Haven't cracked open the books since buying them, because my list got so fucked. My current army is Alphas, with IW bits and pieces.

Thinking new army, either White Scars, Space Wolves or EC?
WS my problem is they're too popular, even if no one plays them. SW I don't like the wolf thing, but I don't think that's as bad in 30k as 40k. EC, I like the colour scheme but not so much the rest.

>>96337060

Looking forward to Militia and their giant squads of nonsense producing slightly odd results in challenges. That or they're capped at 20 models or something and become highly boring.

Does anyone have dates for when equipment was available? I've been going through stuff to try and find out what was available when, and here's what I got.
>MK I Power Armor: Used at Sedna, aka. Unification of Sol/Liberation of Sol (803.M30, two years after the discovery of Horus).
>Saturnine Terminator Armor: Used before the Unification of Sol/Liberation of Sol, but after reaching Saturn. It's first major reappearance after Vulkan's redesign was at the Drop Site Massacre (006.M31).
>MK II Power Armor: Introduced at or right after the Unification of Sol/Liberation of Sol (803.M30). Largely obsolete by 927.M30.
>Cataphractii Terminator Armor: 100 prototypes tested by the Iron Hands in 869.M30
>Thunderhawks: Tested around 945.M30 (Over 62 years before the Chondax Campaign)
>Tartaros Terminator Armor: Introduced to the legions in 999.M30
>MK VI Power Armor: Tested by Raven guard around 003-4.M31? Entered mass production in 005.M31 (Black Books). Spread throughout the Legions by 008.M31 (Black Books). Almost universal by 014.M31 (2e)
>Vindicator Laser Destroyer: Around 008.M31
>Sicaran Omega Tank Destroyer: First appearance 010.M31.

MK III, then would be somewhere between 804 and 868.
MK IV around 870-989. Later dates would fit better with the idea that the Traitor legions could equip everyone or almost everyone with it, while the Loyalist had much less, and it fits with MK II being obsolete by 927.
MK V is around 006-7, just a little after the Drop Site Massacre.

Is this helpful? Not really, but it's neat to know that Horus was running around with Saturnine Terminators and MK I marines, and both the II & XI had Thunderhawks, but not Tartaros.

>>96336845
I've got 60 militia men coming in the mail tomorrow, I'm going to try and batch assemble and paint them all in one go. Been physically unable to hobby for the past five months, now I'll feast.

>>96336832
Thousand Sons have the best rules in 3.0. You get an entire psychic list to play with for a measly 10 points per unit that jumps between quite good to Fine™ but never bad, plus they escaped the wargear loss a lot of units suffered AND their sorcerer is pretty cool.
And you still get the great color scheme and the Osirin dreadnought escaped the gutting all the other dreadnoughts suffered so you still get that as a complete model (if you're not buying recasts like a sane person).

>>96337121
>I've got 60 militia men coming in the mail tomorrow
That poor postman's gonna have to get through a sticky mess to deliver your bills then :(

>>96337128
maybe if he brought me anything other than bills I'd let him come in the mail as well.

I want to convert a 40k Aspiring Sorcerer to Prosperpine Sorcerer/Esoterist/Librarian of ambiguous allegiance, think this staff is too Chaos-y? All the box options are worse.

>>96337121
>I'm going to try and batch assemble and paint them all in one go.
I'm not gonna tell you what to do. I am gonna say that sounds like a very bad time. I batch paint 20 at a time and don't like it. I can't even imagine the torment of 60.

Is HH similar to older editions of 40k? Templates, AV, initiative values?

>>96337092
If you don't pick something you really want to play through and through you'll half ass it until you quit. Pick what you really want. There are only 18 legions, thousands of players play each. Get over the popularity of any one legion and pick what you really want. If you absolutely just make your force a double digit company number and you have free reign over paint scheme.

>>96337155
Sorta, yes, yes, yes

>>96337148
>think this staff is too Chaos-y?
Hell no. It looks perfectly like a normal staff that's just starting to show chaos influence/corruption. Like that star of chaos isn't excessive and rather subtle by 40k stars of chaos so it could be seen as just normal Imperium decoration of the time if you didn't know any better. It's say it's pretty perfect for use in 30k, so go off king.

>>96336810 (OP)
>tq
I only like it because while everyone else is running around with their special champion characters i'm throwing a leviathan into a challange.

>>96337155
Yes. The previous two editions were closer to 7th edition 40k, whilst the current edition of HH is more of a huge mash-up using bits from pretty much each edition ranging from 2nd (like damage stats) to 7th with new things added in.

>>96337155
yes, but ruined with stratagem points you spend to have 10 lascannons shoot twice each turn instead of once, and a stupid challenge mini-game, stupid 4 turn length, horrible terrain and vision rules and dumb circles on the ground missions.

You'd honestly have more fun just playing 3rd/4th/5th edition 40k than horus heresy.

>>96337172
>Complains about terrain and vision rules
>Advises to play 3rd/4th
Lol. Lmao, even.

>>96336845
Also chugging along on some old Mk3 tacticals.

>>96337172
>You'd honestly have more fun just playing 3rd/4th/5th edition 40k than horus heresy.
That assumes I could find people to play with. That might be an issue with HH anyway.
>>96337171
>whilst the current edition of HH is more of a huge mash-up using bits from pretty much each edition ranging from 2nd (like damage stats) to 7th with new things added in.
That doesnt sound too great.

>>96337148
You could do something as simple as a ball bearing for the standard Wizards Orb© and paint it like a gem.

>>96336857
What do you mean, the NLs would encourage others to troon out, they are sadists

Redpill me on Thallax loadouts in 3.0? I was thinking melta because I lack anti tank

Is Imperialis Militia a guard analogue?

>>96337193
Yes, imperialis milita and solar auxilia are both branches of the imperial army aka the heresy imperial guard

>>96337151
I did 40 last time, I am aware that is going to suck and have adapted my process to try to make it suck as little as I possibly can. I have an advantage now, last time I used ebay rescue models and now I know not to ever do that again. Half the beastmen I got were so poorly assembled their horns were on upside down.

>>96336933
Can't they get Powerfists or something in the Legacies?

>>96336933
Sure but this anon is correct >>96336938

>>96337000
>Juggle HQ tax to see what detachments you can bring
It's not the only minigame

>>96337182
I'm very sad that classic multi-part marines died for scale and posing.

>>96337191
I'm personally fond of the 4x plasma LMG, 2x lightning gun squad that will happily eat half a dozen marines per shooting phase and put status tests on the rest, but judging from the Marine armies I'm seeing you might want a bunch of melta or photon just because everyone seems to be rocking the 2+ armour spam and/or vets in rhinos. 4x Thruster doesn't do too much worse against MEQ anyway, although even 6 thrusters/meltas in a squad of 9 will only put down two or three terminators on average.

>>96337043
The tomb is the eternal rest. This calls for rape instead

>>96337183
Give it a try if you can before writing it off. Specially with all the negativity online about, well everything, it becomes too easy to not even take a look at something yourself and form your own opinion. And who knows, you might be surprised and find out you like how everything works in practice. And if you don't like it, you can continue with not doing anything with it. It is that easy.

>>96337218
I havent given up yet. I like that apparently ther is a Solar Auxilia legion for every marine chapter with special rules? Thats kind of hot.

>>96337212
>Filtered at list building

>>96337043
Decimation

>>96337212
I don't understand how people are having so much problems with this. I still just pick the units I want to bring, and then look at how it fits into detachments the most efficiently after. Usually don't have to make adjustments to which units or the number of HQ I wanted to put in the army. Two HQ has been enough so far, and wanted those two HQ anyway for their in game utility.

>>96337114
>Mk1 & 2
This has to be a mistake. "The Last Church" and "Valdor Birth of the Imperium" already has the Dark Angels clad in MkII, as they are noticeably different from the Thunder Warriors of recent memory.
And all of that was during the Unification of Terra, which was before the Crusade even broke through Sol, let alone reached all the way to Cthonia
For both things to be true, the legend that Horus was found on Terra itself would need to be the correct one, but then Cthonia would have no importance

>>96337241
I take the same approach. I've been able to fit everything I want very comfortably and I even take thematic lists.

>>96337225
Solar auxilia are probably the biggest winners in the new edition. No longer borderline unplayable like in 2.0, neither the oppressive one trick pony of 1.0. The local SA players used to be the loudest advocate of staying in 2.0 and not even giving 3.0 a chance, but after one game he has been praising the new edition constantly lol.

>>96337241
>already has the Dark Angels clad in MkII, as they are noticeably different from the Thunder Warriors of recent memory.
>And all of that was after the Unification of Terra

>>96337191
Can't Thallax take all meltabombs? That seems better antitank than S8 MMeltas. Though bombs no longer affect dreads, so you might be onto something

>>96337252
They aren't my first choice. I just didnt see a militia scan in the gofile. Gonna look at the mechanicum too.

>>96337250
>>96337241
What HQ are you taking, anon?
And what detachments?

>>96337114
Salamanders and Iron Warriors tested mkVI also but rejected

>>96337258
Yeah true but mmeltas also murder terminators and such

>>96337260
Militia don't have rules for 3.0 yet, they come out some time this month iirc. Maybe, if gw can keep a schedule. They will probably have rules similar to 2.0, if you want to see what your working with.

>>96336845

Doing a Mechanicum allied detachment for Night Lords (Forgeworld Ulan Huda). I’ve never painted Mechanicum before and am not used to all the hard to reach places…and the paint doesn’t settle on the leadbelcher primer well so it’s bit of a slog.

>>96337264
Depends on the type of army I feel like playing. But usually bringing a legion champion now, with Paragon they got 6 attacks with WS 7 which is kinda nuts. Plus the special detachment legion champions can take is very neat, has one elite, heavy assault and heavy transport slot.

>>96337274
>They will probably have rules similar to 2.0, if you want to see what your working with.
Its mostly what kind of models they field that I'm interested in so I imagine that'll work.

>>96337292
It's pretty much an imperial guard army list minus a few things like chimeras

>>96337169
Good choice.

>>96337294
That is 100% what I want then. Assuming cadians arn't out of place on a HH table?

>>96337252

Honestly the demolisher spam seems like the best thing about them, they have few of Mechanicum's issues with giant piles of AV14 when all their transports have a solid chance to chunk a Raider or a few termies.

>>96337156
What I wanted was Alpha Legion, but I've been so disheartened from having my list fucked.
It was a siege drill list, with 4 drills coming in. Not being able to use that has just left me feeling bleh.

Who was the zestiest Heresy Marine?

>>96337288
The champion and who else?

>>96337314
Biomancy librarian if I wanna buff a melee squad, master of signal if there is anything that wants to come in from reserves, delegatus if I want an apex detachment (usually to give a retinue or elite unit a prime buff) or a praetor in larger games.

>>96337241
I recently picked up some 2nd hand models of a dude, he was saying that him and his buddy were taking about 3 hours to get to turn 3 in a 750pt game and it was the reason why he was selling, that gave me a greater understand on why I see so many retarded takes about warhammer here.

>>96337350
>3 hours to get to turn 3 in a 750pt game
How?!

>>96337358
i legit don't know, they guy was normal and nice enough so i really doubt he had cognitave issues.

>>96337334
Unless the MotL is here, then who's in charge? Also, your 3000 pts army fits in mere two aux detachments? :O
I'm loathe to bring a Centurion, because my fluff is rogue Siege Breaker. And Centurions are above Consuls in the chain of command

>>96336845
I am struggling picking colors for my Auxillia. Im painting a few up in different colors to see what I like. Right now its between Calibanite jaegers, Ash scorpions with blue shoulders, or pic related.

>>96337247
I agree with that, and I always thought that by at least Mars they had MK II, but all the sources I could find state that the MK II was built at or after the Unification of Sol, not earlier. Now the planets around Earth, and Sol itself were conquered by the end of the Unification war, so you'd figure that counts, but the Sedna campaign is labelled either the Unification of Sol or the Liberation of Sol depending on the source, and the "Amour through the Ages" from White Dwarf mentions MK I being used on "Mercury, Sedna, the Jovian Range, and Ceres". And the only mention I could find about Sedna, is when eight Legions were sent to eradicate all life on it in 803.M30, after which Sol was unified/liberated.

Horus was discovered on Cthonia in 801.M30, so unless discovered just means they found him then, unlike for the other Primarchs where it means when they joined their Legion, then it seems like they were wearing MK I.

>>96337265
I couldn't find anything about when they tested it, while Raven Guards had tested it for two years sometimes before the Dropsite Massacre.

Does HH have allies? Can I run some legionnaires with Solar Auxilia?

Do Chaplains do...nothing in 3.0?

>>96337377

Allies are very permissive this time around. You can ally almost anything with anything else, with the exception of Custodes (grumpy about allied detachments, apparently) and the legion-specific variants of Solar Aux, who can only ally with their own Space Marine Legion but are all fine with Mechanicum or any other non-Legion army.

A surprisingly large number of buffs cross over too - Mechanicum can buff friendly vehicles with their tech-psyker stuff, psykers can share the love with allies, etc. The only penalty is that models of different factions cannot share transports and units containing models of different factions take -1 to Ld and Cool (used to resist enemy suppressive fire).

>>96337358
By not reading anything so you have to recheck everything every step of the way.

>>96337382
they have 9 leadership and 10 cool the unit can use. Yes, 3rd edition is really that gay.

>>96337364
Logistical benefit in combination with legion specific detachments. does a lot of heavy lifting for me

>>96337400
I am starting to really like what I see in HH. Hope I can find some local players. I don't understand these weapon profiles at all, but I'm sure reading the rule book will cure that.

>>96337408
That's two units. Three tops

>>96337404
...yay.

>>96337368
Do you have a legion army? What legion are they?

>>96337382
They're very cool

>>96337400
How many legion specific aux units do we have so far? I'd like to make some spireguard

Do the centurion plume colours mean anything or should I just do whatever looks nice?

>>96337517
Whatever looks nice

>>96337465
DA, but its a small force that's probably sidelined for a while

>>96337424
That's plenty in combination with the primary detachment and two auxiliary detachments.

>>96337517
>3.0 has returned to us the SOVL that is characters with back banners
The world is healing.

>>96337545
The new MKII basically requires it for one in five dudes, there is no extra backpack without the attachment point and it doesn't cut off nicely

>>96337552
>it doesn't cut off nicely
Skill issue. Back in my day I've had to cut off UM icons from pewter models to salvage them.

>>96337561
The issue being the normal backpacks have a squared off U shape on top while the banner backpack puts the connection in that U, meaning you'd have to carve out the shape to about a half mm of depth for consistent marines

>>96337531
Well the Calibanite Jaegers makes sense, but unless you're set on doing a DA/Aux allied army constantly then I would say the Ash Scorpions would be quicker to paint which is a contributing factor with most Aux armies. I feel like that pic, while a cool colour scheme, feels more like a Night Lord Aux scheme.

>>96337572
Most people won't notice half a millimetre of extra plastic. Not to mention cutting out that small detail being piss easy.

Spare gal vorbak heads for saturnine command squad, think it can work?

>>96337687
>>96337708
>>96337718
Only acceptable for WB

How close ties did the Iron Hands have with the Mechanical? I want to make a thematic army display board that features units from both armies, and was wondering if there's anything I should steer clear of. Would it be appropriate to have the cogboys wear some IH colours as a show of allegiance or cooperation?

>>96337725
I...anon I though that was obvious, yes this is for word bearers. Plan is to use daemon prince arm bits (from the old plastic one, not the new one), use some purity seal bits for loincloths, and have more purity seals along the shoulder and some melted candle bits on the ridge of the shoulder

>>96337745
>I though that was obvious
You never know in here.

I think Master of the Legion + Centurion is the better tax. The MotL unlocks 3+1 Elites, which is about as many as you'll ever need, plus +1 Reaction, while the Centurion brings, if you're using terminators, Land raiders, and if not, 4 tanks, plus whatever the rest of your list will be.
And it's fluffy. Remember how every game of 7E you played you had your chapter master and another captain? Praetor + Centurion is the same. Your legion only has some 20 Praetors...and he's somehow always in your list.

does anyone find this particularly egregious?
night lords btw

Waaait a second. An Araknae's Quad accel autocannon cannot hurt a Superheavy tank from the front. So how can they destroy that Fellblade??

>>96337829
Through the power of trailers trying to sell you things

>>96337829
Wait wtf, 10 shots? That can't be right

>>96337787
Seems fine. The falchion might be hard to kill, but now that it no longer fires a massive blast it's gonna kill like 8 terminators over the duration of a game.

>>96337842
Every barrel shoots 2.5 shots, anon (2 shots + 1/2 from Heavy FP). This should spice things up >:^)

>>96337728
AI slop

>In summary, the Iron Hands were among the most Mechanicum-aligned legions, sharing technological and philosophical synergies, but their relationship was tested by the Heresy's chaos, Ferrus' death, and the Mechanicum's own divisions. They collaborated closely with Loyalist Mechanicum but maintained a distinct, self-sufficient identity. For deeper details, sources like The Horus Heresy Book Two: Massacre or Ferrus Manus: Gorgon of Medusa provide rich context.

>>96337517
Scorpion green for that old AL feel

>>96337241
agreed, if you just do it backwards, its easy

>>96337545
This is spectacular anon. Is this yours or some random internet picture?

>>96337975
Random internet picture. Only still got the 2nd edition rulebook from the starter set myself, and leafed through it so much throughout the years the ink is fading and the binding falling apart.

>>96337572
??!?
The fuck. The new MKII? I’ve accidentally cut off 2 before realizing it was the banner/vox bit. Bout as easily clippable as the MKVII one…are you using a dull Swiss army knife or what? No carving necessary

>>96337368
Unironically my color scheme will be based on this SA GF waifu meme. It just looks so good.

>Rapier crew have the Sergeant sub type
Can this be abused in some way? Is there any legion equipment available to sergeants regardless of their wargear?

I cant be the only one who thinks the shields marine use look weird as hell, aside from breachers I guess.

>>96337382
Read the Wargear entry for the basic Vox

>>96338081
The act of trimming plastic is anathema to shitposters

>>96338165
their entry doesn't allow them to swap anything out, so no.

the only funny thing i can see is that if there is a prime support slot, you can make one of the rapier operator a boxing champion.

>>96338165
Legion wargear either are added to specific wargear lists (like officer or sergeant lists), or replace specific weapons. I doubt it.

>>96337552
Post pic?

>>96338189
Chaplains don't have Vox though unless I'm missing something.

>>96338434
IQ points for a start....

>>96338434
Nta but voxes allow the unit using them to choose any either the leadership or cool stat of commander on the field. Does it make chaplains any less of a joke in this edition? No, but you can have them babysit units indirectly at least.

>>96338465
Ah thank you, that makes more sense.

Yeah looks like Chaplains won't get much use then. For shame.

Is the name of Horus' armor intentionally a bible allegory?

>>96338636
It's retarded and badly done foreshadowing by FW.
Just like they first gave the SoH a non-evil looking Eye of Horus before the switch to the reptile version. Which make sense for the period between the rename and when the Serpent Lodge took over.

But when they discontinued the old transfer sheet they pretended the evil eye had always been there.

>>96338636
The whole of the Horus Heresy has always been Paradise Lost mixed with Dune starring angry space men, what do you think?

>>96338636
How is it related to the bible?
>>96338655
Serpents lodge is clearly a reference to satan corrupting so

What do you think the Word Bearers’ Unique Saturnine Terminator Squad loadout is going to look like?
Warpfire Cannons like on the Mhara Gal?
Unique weapons that need kitbashes, like flamers?
A whole squad of the praetor loadout?
Some psychic shit?

Can't get it to fit in my brain properly for some reason - how do you damage vehicles? How does AP work against them?

>>96338756
Ideally, some really good stuff, like viable plasma or some super duper flamers.

Realistically, no changes apart from better Cool/Leadership because they're zealots. Yay.

what transports did the 1st ed militia have?

I kinda wanna make a more 5th ed 40k styled guard army with units from that
i'm sure nobody would really care if I used a chimera as a aurox? (if I have to play SA instead)

>>96338756
plasma cannon and fist (whatever are their names) like pic related
after all, these new Saturnine are more like small dreads than actual termies

>>96338636
What's his armor's name?

Does anyone actually use a Command Rhino?

>>96338898
Horus's armour is called Armour of Johnny Satan From The Bible.

What other 'Hey guys remember this?' deep cut lore unit can GW retcon in for Heresy 4.0?

I'm thinking Thunder Warrior allied detachments.

Does an HQ need a shield if they're with Breachers? Would it prevent the Shieldwall from being activated?

>>96338934
Castraferrum Dreadnoughts and Lucifer Dreadnoughts.

>look at baneblade variants
>stormhammer twin battlecannon is permanent AP3
>baneblade cannon is 7" AP3 with a demolisher that gets permanent D6
>hellhammer is a bit meh though
>banehammer has stun/suppressive/pinned 2 and 10" blast
>stormlord is AP3 suppressive 3
>stormblade is a bit meh and can blow itself up
>shadowsword is D13 but macro-auspex
>stormsword is AP3 D6 36" range stun 2
>macharius has the twin battlecannon on the stormhammer

>>96338798
>what transports did the 1st ed militia have?
Gorgon, Arvus and as PoV options Rhino and LR Proteus. Later the Aurox.

Lord Commander Gendor Skraivok miniature when?

>>96338987
I really hope my "oops all chainaxes" militia is still in, I need to borrow an aux banehammer.

>>96338934
Naufragia, Vulkans OTHER new termie mark, Raptors (RG Primaris), Zombie IH, Khan's bike, Custodes Saturnines

>>96338798
Chimeras in HH are a bit controversial, certain people say they don't exist because the black books never mention them while others point to BL or visions. FW and GW have already softly retconned certain parts of both, like with valkiries not being on the HH tabletop "because the guard doesn't exist yet", according to one of the LIgma articles. Personally I'm waiting for the aurox to be released in plastic to kitbash the usual variants like motorized basilisks, aa, etc... because that sounds pretty cool to me. In the end it's your army, anon, do what you want to do but know chimeras are bigger than auroxes and you won't be able to carry much from the militia armylist with the aurox statline.

>>96339064
Also if you play 1.0 there is an imperial army homebrew by the mournival team that could interest you.

Do we have any rumours about the Talons, either when or what they are allegedly getting??

>>96339074
None so far.

>>96339074
Almost certainly a femstodes kit. Ww've already seen the spear. Other than that, nothing.

Why the fuck are knights hit on rear armour in combat?

>>96339085
It represents the dudes hitting all the exposed joints and cabling

>>96338724
I've never seen someone ask a question then answer it. All of that without connecting the dots.

>>96339064
>controversial
Not really, it's more like different parts of GW doing different things at different times.
BL's Visions of Heresy and book series pretty much agree on Chimeras and other Imperial Army vehicles already existing in 30k, and IA regiments being the mainstay of the human military, if not the strongest or the focus

But FW and later the current Specialist Game Studio didn't want people using 40k stuff in 30k as a main faction, or they wanted to do their own thing as part of the game's identity, so they introduced the Solar Auxilia and pretended it was the norm and not just a few elite void troopers.

They also did the same thing with Mechanicum, or refusing to acknowledge as much as possible the Sanguinary Guard or Atramentar or IF Huscarls.

At this point, the HH game lives on its own alternate universe.

>>96337404
Their job is now to calm marines, not rile them up. Which is fucking stupid and one of the worst changes.

>>96338934
I am not playing 4e, so it doesn't matter.

>>96339144
It's controversial as in people can't agree with each other and over the years we've had many shitstorms in /hhg/ on if 30k armies like militia and SA should have chimeras or valkyries. I know that visions, BL and FW's HH have plenty of differences between each other.

>>96339085
The real issue is WS4 and marines parrying a giant chainsaw. No WS can't be abstracted as doing a flip over a saw that's raking the ground. Knights should automatically hit anything that isn't another knight.

>>96338934
Plastic mk5 squads.

>>96338934
Imperial army dreadnoughts and speeders.
>I'm thinking Thunder Warrior allied detachments.
You could kinda do that in 1.0 through chymeriae blackshields. Marauders could be equipped with most of the weapons thunder warriors were referenced using but they lacked the "go apeshit when hit by psychic power" special rule.

Hell yeah

>>96339346
Very nice

>>96339346
cool Night Lord anon

What do you guys think? I'm not terribly enthusiastic the metallic is too dark and the sponging is kinda boring.

>>96338934
Xenos.

Is the Spartan Land Raider also a new kit or is it the LR kit from 40K just back ported?

>>96339399
Not a fan. Metallics are too shiny, sponging is too big, and the shoulder pads simply look bad. Base is wonderful though

>>96339032
>Naufragia
They're just a cata unit with a specialist loadout.

>>96339423
that's like, every single legion specific unit. Just [Generic Liber unit] with [Special equipment]

>>96339409
The Spartan is a fuckhuge Land Raider for 30k and was a notable plastic kit in the 2.0 box. The Land Raider Proteus is the era-appropriate design for regular-sized ones, but the Phobos pattern ones sold for 40k are also suitable if you replace any and all Storm Bolters with Combi-Bolters.

>>96339409
Spartans are quite a bit bigger. Keep in mind HH LRs are smaller than the 40k ones, so the difference is even bigger than the pic

>>96339466
>>96339409
And here's the 30k LR compared to the 40k one

Maybe I'm misreading, but I think Siege Tartaros can't take Power Fists? They cna take power weapons and Chainfists, but no Power fists?

>>96339508
That's correct though the sergeant gets a weapon from there terminator melee list

>>96339452
>>96339466
>>96339480
I see, I was looking to buy a Land Raider and had heard GW “approved” using the 30K ones in both systems. Would also give me an excuse to start a 30K army in earnest, the urge hasn’t subsided nearly a year after starting the hobby seriously. Thanks for the info.

>>96339508
I’m really coming around to the Tartaros Terminators. They’re just so compact.

>>96339535
Kill yourself

>>96338960
No, and no. Shieldwall needs majority models. Its heavy you should worry about, Heavy you need all models for the bonus.

>>96337310
Termites and pods getting fucked is a crime. Now that interceptor is snap shots and has a hard limit equal to your RP, this is the perfect edition to bring back 1e style deep-strike+charges.

Speaking of, I've been compiling well received ideas. Attached is what I have thus far. I have a third page that is for flyers that's just really long-winded:
>can stay on the table and move like a normal vehicle after the combat assignment is finished and may return to reserves at the end of any of the controlling players subsequent turns.
Thoughts?

>>96339563
They are the best. All they need are some left handed arms to hold the combi bolters so you can use the right handed power fists more

Besides the points, why not always upgrade a heavy bolter to an autocannon? Seems like an obvious choice for so few points.

>>96339626
Few?

>>96339626
Which unit are you talking about?

>>96339634
>>96339640
Apologies, my use case is for hull weapons for SA. 5 points for extra range, greater RS and damage.

Apparently saying retarded gets you banned in the pano discord, any way, so siege terminators yo, retardedly good. Def taking them a lot more, they can harass units super easily, bully tacs and work as great cheap AA options too.

>>96339648
Heavy Bolter has more shots, and both are the same when shooting into MEQ, so the HB iwll kill more Tacticals than the Autocannon

>>96339648
better question why not a multi laser for suppression?

>>96339598
Moritats should have bitter duty. Other than that I like it. Easy to remember

>>96339598
Additional house rules
Heavy sub-type:
Change the penalty to set up move to subtract 1" from set but move but still add your movement and init together to determine the set up move distance.

>>96339668
It is not the same, HB has only 1 more shot while wounding on a +3, while the autocannon wounds on a +2 and has breaching. The damage 2 also helps against vets.

>>96339674
Multi laser goes on the pintle mounted for line of fire and defensive weapons rules.

>>96339709
That's not a penalty at all and turns cataphractii back into the auto include choice. Let tartaros be actually good for once

>>96339738
No its not, Cata would still only have a 2" set up vs 3" on a tartaros
Considering that even with a 2" set up move you would need a 5 or a 6 to make it into combat with anything that evade reacts away from you, thats perfectly within the realm of reasonable.

>>96339738
>Let tartaros be actually good for once
Let legion terminators have other options besides tartaros then. You know, like we used to.

>>96339750
I'd be perfectly fine with that as long as it's appropriately modeled. Let me have deathshroud cataphractii goddamnit, they'd (probably) not be busted this time

>>96339742
1" is not worth dropping to a 5++. Hell, 2" is barely enough, especially with sweeping being gone so tartaros lost thar advantage

>>96339765
a 2" set up would at least allow them to get into combat in a perfect set up.
My issue with cata right now is heavy is such a draw back that even if you have a PERFECT Charge setup, you cant get into combat with some things.
For example if youare 1.1" away with is the closest you can be to something, a react walk away puts them at 5.1" away meaning you can set up 1" closer to get to 4.1, meaning oyu need a 5 or a 6 on a PERFECT charge setup.

Again alpha legion, is actually impossible to get into melee combat with Cata terminators if they react walk away because you have to subtract 2 from them.

With cata terminators you only have a 1/3rd chance of making it into combat with them against a legion that react evaded away from a perfect charge set up.
Im sorry but if you are literally in their face like that, you should not be reduced down to a 1/3rd chance to get into combat. giving them a 2" set up means that in a perfect charge set up if they reacted away, it makes it a 50/50 shot of getting in.

If a dumbass like me thinks dawn of war is too hard, is playing 30k a horrible idea?

>>96339860
The new board game or the video game? Either way you may be retarded

Size of the nuCataphractii.

>>96339884
I wonder if they'll make the shoulders wider. Cata was always the "huge pauldrons" pattern, but not anymore

>>96339901
They'll be fixed to the carapace that's all I think

>>96339709
No, heavy also has a cool bonus. This narrows the gap between cata and tartaros too much.

>>96339864
The video game. I can't get past mission 4 on hard

>>96339326

I'm hoping we get similarly broad options for Blackshields this edition. The old Chimariae would actually wreck house quite well, but failing that any kind of build-your-own-legion-rule would be of great use given the relative sparseness of the existing ones.

>>96339962
it wouldnt have any bearing on tabletop obviously but yeah mission 4 shouldnt be that hard. fwiw, you can pause with the pause key if youre overwhelmed.

>>96339884
Would make sense with how the Cataphractii armor is meant to be better than the Indomitus. Though no way they refresh the plastic kit any time soon.

>>96339983
We already know they are updating them and know how they look.

>>96339985
It feels wrong that WB never had rules for a unique terminator unit. It feels like something they obviously should have had.

>>96339997
We know they're getting special Saturnines, probably demon-related

>>96339860
I don't blame you, back when the original DoW + expansions were released I too had trouble clearing certain parts.

>>96339968
Agreed, hopefully the rather brief revolt people had made GW reconsider what I gave for granted was coming.

>>96339985
Fuck, why the fuck would they sell cataphractii in the AoD box if they knew that 3 years later they'd release truescale cataphractii? I feel ripped off

>>96340052
Because at that point they didn't know. They started making new cataphractii a few months later. It's a 3 year pipeline for models.

>>96340084
It can be a lot longer than that but once they increased the scale of the mooks everyone should have seen it coming

IT'S ALIVE!!!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ceirqemh/sunday-preview-miao-ying-raises-a-storm-in-the-old-world/

>>96340123
Oh sweet White Scat bit resevoirs.

>>96337772
>Your legion only has some 20 Praetors
This. The Raven Guard may have only a single Praetor after the Dropsite Massacre
>Bringing a chapter master every game
Aw fuck that

>>96338934
>I'm thinking Thunder Warrior allied detachments.
I feel like they are all very dead by the time Horus and friends turn on Emps. Excepting a few holdouts hiding in the underbelly of Terra.

>>96338993
Gendor Skraviok was a Warmonger?

>>96339346
>AP3 weapons
Rip. Consigned to killing Despoilers at most

>>96340123
>List building in Legions Imperialis gets an update with Liber Strategia, a 240-page book that collects and updates previous content from core rulebooks, The Great Slaughter, The Devastation of Tallarn, and The Rise of the Dark Mechanicum. It contains complete up-to-date Detachments and Formations for Legiones Astartes, Solar Auxilia, Mechanicum Taghmata, Dark Mechanicum, Collegia Titanica, and Knight Households
I like that. That should be the norm instead of a whole new edition every three years. Just a new set of rulebooks that compile every supplement and balance change made since the last one.

>>96340141
This is almost as gay as blood angels

>>96340141
Is that an evil Astolfo?

>>96339654
I wish they could take power fists. Well, not really. What I really wish is for chainfists to be slower instead of having one less attack

>>96339983
already teased

>>96340195
Yeah.

>>96339598
Hand flamers are fine without panic. You can volley fire them, its a niche enough. Unlocked armory is also unnecessary and just returns 2.0 "why bother with centurions" nonsense.
Dreads getting +1WS or BS is also naff, dreads are fine, you dont need to reward rifleman configurations or whatever the fuck.
MoS buffing aerial reserves makes an already powerful unit even stronger for no reason

>>96340149
>what are vets

>>96340268
>Unlocked armory is also unnecessary and just returns 2.0 "why bother with centurions" nonsense.
What a trash take. Do you have stocks in GW?

What is the minimum amount of marines that should be in a 3000 army? 60? 70? 80? 100?

>>96340400
NTA but I can see both sides of the argument. In 2.0 you'd just give thunderhammers to everyone. Being locked to a single type of weapon per consul is a bit annoying but they are their signature weapons at the end of the day.

>>96340127
Some of those Spears look dope

>White Scat
I think the term is, 'lel'

>>96340137
Myguys canon is that occasional TWs were tamed into the Legions before the Primarchs were found, but predictably go Traitor at various points. Does it make sense? As much as anything else!

>>96340429
Not everyone minmaxes and centurions provide 2 bonus detachments.

>>96340440
Yeah I disagree with that too. There's reasons to take any command characters now which is great. Just saying that locking consuls to their signature weapons has some logic behind it, though I personally wouldn't have done it.

>>96340430
>Myguys canon
Hey np from me if you want to change it. I would love it if they put a kit out. Would go straight into my RT's retinue.

>>96340470
>their signature weapons
Ah yes, the volkite serpenta or combi-melta, truly the only two iconic ranged weapons of the Legion Champion.

>>96340141
>pic
He def doesn't apologize of fucking 1000 girls in one night.

>>96339508
Based baby killers

how do I have fagsex with /hhg/ anons?

>>96340582
You're doing it right now

>>96340554
Nta, starting to agree with you, since all weapon choices FOOOKING SOOOOOCK

>>96340554
This, a billion times this. The same argument about thunder hammers can be said about every single broken piece of an edition like the 2.0 contemptors or fulmentarus or 1.0 artillery.

>>96340582
You could always fuck the tranny who runs Panoptika. Seems like a good fuck

>>96340613
Found the 3rd Legion player

>>96339654
Fuck censorship. I've seen people get banned there for much less than that while actually retarded takes run rampant. They take such a RETARDED approach to moderating.

>>96340554
Indeed, the current legion champions are a mess
>loyalist
notSigismund in beakie armour, stupid "look a my sword" pose, idiotic multimelta not even carried at the ready
>traitor
Son of Horus. Looks more the part, better pose, but it's covered in Ordnance icons for some stupid reason (like he was designed as a Siege Breaker or something at first)

>>96340633
Raping trannies is the most masculine thing you can do. It's not gay. If I fuck something, it's a woman.

>>96340643
Best part was, it was an auto ban and i was not even talking about anyone in the discord, i was calling out GWs retarded inconsistency with the PDF.

>>96340582
We don't do meetups at events anymore. That too went away with the oldfags.

>>96340670
Tying up automation with banning someone is straight up evil. I get automuting before someone human checks what triggered the stop but having a machine which doesn't understand context or whatever and randomly decides to ban people because they said a no-no word is again, retardedly evil. I've also read that using the word autistic gets people banned from there and the LIgma discord too.

>>96340670
Retards decided that "retard" is a slur for mentally disabled people years ago, and they've trying to force it since then.

Even if nobody anymore calls "retarded" people with Down Syndrome, only actual idiots with no excuse to not know better

>>96340660
Then I look forward to the day when you are made a woman

>>96340716
no, you. TONIGHT.

>>96340703
Oh it was an automute then they randomly decided that me calling GW retarded was worthy of a offense lol.
It was fucking hilarious, i fully expect ill get perma banned from there eventually because i don't tote the party line of "GW is the best and 3rd has no faults and is great!"
>>96340708
>Retards decided that "retard" is a slur for mentally disabled people years ago
Except they really didnt, wanna know who did? People who are not retarded.
Outrage over the word retard is overwhelmingly from people who do not have a mental discorder and think shit like, when i call GW Retarded im some how belittling someone with downs, im not, im calling GW A level of stupid, beyond just stupid, they are retarded.

Homosex in the general where identical armies fight themselves. This is EXACTLY what I was expecting. Now back to reading the rulebook.

>>96340735
Anything good in there?

>>96340758
The heresy fluff and the pre imperial era fluff is breddy gud.

>>96340730
I know what triggered the ban now anon, they started doing mass bans lately on everyone complaining about GW's handling of HH post 3.0's leaks. I'm sure the word retarded played a part but these months they are trying very hard to garner GW's attention despite things like the lead mod selling 30K stls on cults. Is it retarded? Sure but I wouldn't expect less from what essentially is a offshoot of reddit.

>>96340730
>Retarded
>Nigger
>Faggot

>These are the three slurs you must purge from your 'vocabulary' to interact with women

>>96340795
that tracks because i know i have said retarded when referencing GW.
Like, ill play 3.0, but i still think its an objectively worse version then 2.0 and i find it hilarious that they take it so personally if you say that GW is incompetent at writing rules.

>>96340852
You said the no no word. There is literally no greater sin.

>>96340832
Also tranny

>>96340832
Add kike at the bottom of those. Despite the current politics I don't think women will like hearing that word.

There's no way for infantry units to split fire, right?

>>96340883
>>96340890
>/ifwe'regonnamakealistwe'regonnabehereallday

I was looking at the LIgma content on the WH post, good looking stuff, but I can't move up to 8mm any more than I can accept 32mm bases on 25mm models

>>96340910
LIgma's matchbox tanks are everything up are really great but you can't really play the game without a lot of infantry which is just BORING, even if the game itself is good.

>>96340832
>making lists
oh no is it time for the horse heresy?

>>96340932
Boring for you. Lots of infantry is as it should be in this setting.

The real issue is the shitty legion infantry models and the lack of legion superheavies. That's what killed it for me (on top of the retarded prices)

>>96340953
Not the listhorse I was thinking of, but it'll do.

>watch 30k youtuber I like
>his latest video has him throwing 3.0 book into the trash

What the fuck? Why would he do this? Pardo and Goonhammer said 3.0 is the best edition ever!!!

>>96340084
True scale Cataphractii at the same size of the refreshed Indomitus Terminators like the Praetor suggests seems too good to be true.

>>96340964
the HH games are obviously made by mechanicum/AT/guard fags that only pay lip service to the space marines to keep it going.

Even the Black books were bloated with unnecesary Titan/knighs filler that nobody asked for or played except a tiny minority.

>>96340964
This, for a game that's meant to be focused on infantry they sure as shit went all in on the tanks and skimped a lot on infantry. At least there are fan sculpts for HH marines between these and the 3d proonts.
vanguardminiatures.co.uk/product-category/defeat-in-detail-6mm/novan-commonwealth/novan-elites-infantry/

>>96340986
Knights are the Harlequins of the Imperium

I got assraped after losing a game ;(

>>96341003
It's right there in the rulebook, anon

>>96341003
Should've brought more AP3 for those NL tac squads anon

>>96340554
>some weapon restrictions are arbitrary or unnecessary, therefore they all are!
Youre stupid. Sure. let them take whatever pistols/shields/combi weapons they want, but you shouldnt be able to give your chaplain or champion a thunder hammer.

>>96341003
Damn that's hot.

>>96341003
Did he at the least used lube?

>>96340984
That'd make the resized Imperial Fist Tartaros Praetor even funnier.

>>96341038
Of course not. Pleasure was not the point of it.

>>96341057
Did you cum from that?

>Flamers, Autocannons and Plasma Blasters are 2 per box
I suppose I could run a mixed weapons Siege Tartaros squad...

>>96339598
I'd rather give Moritats their own overclocked bolt pistols instead of giving them fire selectors. But whatever your choice, they should be R12" as to fit in with the rest of their squad.
R12" FP3 S4 AP5 Pistol - Assault, Bolt

>>96338081
>>96338411
It's pretty clear that unless you have a chisel around carving the square back in will be a monumental pain in the ass to have normal backpacks on 1 in 5 marines. On the MKIII the vexilla mount was placed in a flat area where it could just be sanded off without issue, but MKII filled in existing detail for it.

>>96341119
Make it a Banner, man

>>96339786
It is wild that you have to literally be as closest you can ever get to a unit and even then Cataphractii have about a 50-50 chance.
Though I wish the closest you could be to a unit was 1.0", and not 1.1" :(

>>96340268
>>what are vets
Models that need a D2 weapon to be killed? If those vets have a combat shield, then D1 AP3 won't be enough to kill them. Even if they go last, with a 5++ you'll need a hammer to kill them

>>96341116
Make the Destroyers themselves have good pistols too, then.

>>96341024
Who raped you?

Get real

>>96341233
Fucking cringe

>>96340440
>Not everyone minmaxes
Anyone with a calculator can notice they should give thunder hammers to any character they can. Unless they expect them to fight 1W things, like despoilers

>>96340554
Ah yeah that was bad.... I would remove the combi :^)
But i'd restore full Legion Pistols access, to what it's worth

>>96340986
If that was true I'd expect the Mechanicum list to be far more juiced. The Mech and Talons lists seek like they've been written mostly to be SM allied detachments, although the SA are doing all right. We'll see how Militia manage, I'm hoping for decent non-Vehicle basilisks/medusas.

>>96341003
classic Nightlords moment

>>96341116
Im never taking bolt pistols unless its a million shots. 6 regular shots is not worth trading for the overcharged plasma or volkite. Maybe 4 each and suppressive 1 and Id consider the purchase.

>>96341264
Or dont because modeling can be about a cool factor? AP3 has value now that artificer armor is gone. YOu dont need to always take hammers, you dont even always have to give equipment. This game is customizing more than minmaxing. Theres 40k for that.

>>96341390
>This game is customizing more than minmaxing
I agree with this sentiment.
My local group has been all theorycrafting about taking the best special weapons on Vet Breachers and planning out how to get them most effective.
I plan to just run them with 10 mauls because maul and shield looks cool.

>>96341209
I can give Destroyer bolt pistols stats, a niche and even a fluff reason for it. You're just not ready for my retarded takes [THIS USED WAS AUTOBANNED]
>Destroyer Pistol: A continuation of the Toxiferran research first tested by the Dusk Raiders on the Xabian Xenocides, bolts laced with these compounds inflict enhanced corporal mortification. However, the compound is unstable and highly reactive, restricting its use to snub-barrel weapons like bolt pistols, lest the compound reacts prematurely.
R12" FP1 S4 AP5 D1 Panic (0) Pistol, - Assault, Bolt
Source: Horus Heresy 8 - Malevolence

>>96341440
FP1?
Not worth it.

>>96341003
that isn't for losing, in 3.0 you get that for participating.

Destroyers should just have frag, krak, rad grenades, melta bombs, a chainsword or bolt pistol, and the sergeant gets a phosphex bomb. You can buy a second pistol if you really want.

>>96341390
>>96341429
>WYSIWYD
The one thing I agree with 10th edition is them turning power weapons into "Generic Power Weapon", to allow the squad be armed with different blades. Otherwise it was
>This is the spear squad. They all have spears
>This is the axe squad. They all have axes

>>96341454
FP2, and the Moritat version is FP3 and D2

Alright, I got in contact with someone that can print minis for me and now I need to know, what are my must haves for Solar Auxilia for 500 points and then 1000 points? I'm going to assemble and paint them and play some games at my club with both 3.0 people and those sticking to 2.0 (if it doesn't work out I'll just start playing 40k with them as Guards and see if I want to get back into that system, haven't played in a few years).

I'm probably going to need:
>a HQ command squad
>two troop command squads
>four regular troop squads
>a squad of vets
>at least one leman russ?

>>96341484
Melta bombs used to be an option. It would be nice if they were an option still

>>96341522
Yes they should just be war crime grenadiers

>>96341429
>I plan to just run them with 10 mauls because maul and shield looks cool.
Thats just wrong. Axes or spears both look better with shields.

>>96341429
>>96341558
But mauls are the best special weapons unless you're EC, so full mauls is already minmaxing.

>>96341558
>spears both look better with shields.
Someone tell me what the marine hoplites are I need to see this.

>>96341484
Destroyers should get 4-5 deathlock-esque weapons to pick from on top of what they have already gotten in all 3 editions. There were already plenty of examples like corium maces that /hhg/ came up with during several TQs. Destroyers are custodians of the forbidden shit legions came across during the great crusade or cooked up themselves, they shouldn't be a grenadier team with ccws and pistols.

>>96341598
God dammit I didn't want to play marines. Where do I get them?

>>96341491
> turning power weapons into "Generic Power Weapon"
Agreed, and it should be the same for "chain blades", with only a rules exception for WE.
Having different profiles feels good on paper, but is actually a chore in actual games that also fucks ups wysiwig and forces people to hunt bits that GW doesn't even bother to make.

>>96341600
Chem flamers and volkite is good too

Does anyone have the mega link to the Imperialis rules and supps?

>>96341491
>This is the spear squad. They all have spears
>This is the axe squad. They all have axes
I don't mind that, you could run mixed squads as all power swords or axes if you don't want to take too much time.

>>96341607
Well, that guy specifically is Asterion Moloc, who is a 40k character so doesn't exist in 30k (Might not even exist in 40k anymore). But he's just a dude in Tartaros with a storm shield and a stolen Custodes spear. If you actually want to do something similar for 30k, you'd have to either take any of the legions that can give Storm Shields to Terminators (I think UM, IH and maybe Salamanders can do it?) or do it with Indomitus terminators, though you're probably better off keeping the stock power fists on them.
If you want regular marines with the loadout, then you can either do it with assault squads (or the various veteran variants) or with Praetorian command squads, which are the vet assaults on foot.

>>96341653
my autism says veteran/command squads should be able to take different weapons, because each one is an experienced warrior with their own fighting style, while regular assault/despoiler squads should stick to using the same weapons because that's what their unit was outfitted with

>>96341689
Custard spears. Probably third party hoplon shields. Then either tartoros terms or assault/vet marines. Can I get away with blood angel paladins for the terms? I dont know anything about HH really but I like their paint better than IH or Salamanders. Being smurfs would be ok.

>>96341650
I could drop it in 7 hours when I'm home from work

>>96341718
Crimson paladins can only get swords (and 1-2 fists per squad). Also they're in Cataphractii armor

>>96341737
Smurfs it is.

Inspired by another anons Cathay conversions, I've been theory crafting them as allies for my AL.
What I'm thinking so far is freehanding dragons/hydras on the sides of tanks, using the Cathay arty as bases for arty conversions, and most importantly taking a Charybdis as a greater demon. My question is, is it too fantasy?
I just feel like it could be an awesome tzeentch flavored demon.

>>96341744
Looking at the smurf rules, they can only give their special shields to command/champions. So unless there's a full champion temrinator unit they can take, it's a no go on that end too.

>>96341782
Replace the heads with bald marine heads. This too is Alpharius

>>96341782
The monsters could be demons easy but the rest seems quixotic. Either too fantasy or too White Scars.

I wish the Imperial Army and Solar Auxilia could get more characters, but honestly I don't know what they could make aside from the named general and medic guy, because only those that stay in the back can survive and exceed against marines. Any sort of legendary peak human special ops unit would probably get wiped out in minutes by unnamed mook marines (like how the inquisitorial retinue of unique looking OCs in that one Dark Angels comic). I guess a named sniper or tank commander could be an option?

>>96341565
Oh, are they? I figured their initiative modifier was a turn off.

>>96341805
This too is a lie.

>>96341820
Ireton MaSade had an exosuit (admittedly for medical reasons because he was an old fuck)

>>96341816
You have a point. My main reason for wanting the Cathay troops is because with a helmet swap I feel like they'd be the closest thing to Greek armor, fitting with the AL naming conventions and aesthetics.

>>96341820
The closest in the HH would be human operatives like Malcador's Yasu Nagasena (a literal fucking 30k samurai), or the assasins in Nemesis. Or the imperial cultists hunting traitor astartes in the Siege of Terra novels.

Otherwise, the HH didn't leave much room for meatbags among Astartes and Mechanicum murder robots. Most relevant humans were generals or ship captains.

>>96341797
It shouldn't be this hard to have Hoplites.

>>96341869
>the horse head
kek

Point taken, I guess they could get one named character that can go in melee with marines (I don't think a generic exoskeleton squad to go with him would fit the army aesthetically tho, like the trash sisters got in 40k).

>>96341820
Do you mean named characters or themed characters? Themed characters could get away with having some specialization to put them on par, Sisters of Silence are just mortals but they can fight marines still, and assassins are of course much more powerful

>>96336810 (OP)
Also why is fucking Goldship there?

>>96341901
Run veteran breachers.
Give them all power swords, then model them with spears.
You now have WS5, Vanguard (3) hoplites.

>>96341869
i don't get why this model is posted as an example of a cool thing.
it's another retarded baby carrier with even a fucking kangaroo pouch to drive the point home, ffs

>>96341922
Your proposal is acceptable.

>>96339144
>They also did the same thing with Mechanicum
Every time you push this lie - because there *was* no 40k Mechanicus when 30K Mechanicum was developed - you reveal yourself and everyone remembers the countless previous times you've been BTFO, mocked, and laughed out of this general. Why do you keep telling on yourself? Keep it up and people are going to start thinking you've got some kind of freakish fetish, which to be fair would be right in line with all your other shitty preferences.

>>96341907
I said named a few times, like Ireton MaSade from 1.0 or the medic guy. Not sure what you mean by themed characters, perhaps consul-style specialist HQs with a lot of customization?

>>96341869
I wish FW still had the level of quality from the times edgar did the SA.

>>96341955
I think he's distinguishing them between named and build-your-own.

>>96341919
>he doesn't know

>>96340730
>Outrage over the word retard is overwhelmingly from people who do not have a mental discorder
Many such cases. I was discussing 3D printing at the local club and made a joke about my "scale 'tism" and one of the "club marshals"(they're well up themselves, luckily there are two other clubs in the region and I only have to play at this one occasionally) chucked a screeching hissy about how they're an inclusive space that doesn't allow mockery of minority groups that took almost ten minutes to subside to the point I could get a word in edgewise to say "fuck off, I *am* autistic, it's NBD". I hate all these performatively woke faggots not only because they're annoying and wrong as a rule, but also because the fact they're so transparently motivated by a toxic brew of self-aggrandisement and pity for people they regard as inferior - just in a paternalistic way not a no-no badwrongungood CHUDDY way or whatever - which is so much more offensive to me than someone using a word that applies to me as a general insult.

>>96341955
>>96341971
Yeah like a custom specialist but not a named unique character. Like an SoS knight instead of Krole

>>96342023
>>96341971
Then I meant named characters to give some faces to SA. When it comes to customizable consul-like characters that's what I hope the command squads eventually become with extra options to kitbash or new models.

how much would it cost to have one of each plastic HH kit???

>>96341729
I'll likely be asleep by then, but please do post it, I'll find it in the archives. Thank you anon.

>>96341950
The AdMech had already army lists 15 years before the HH was released, and lore in 40k and 30k BL books. Like Visions of Heresy, Mechanicum, or the characters in Know No Fear .

Alan and the rest decided to ignore it for their own reasons and create the Taghmata and the rest out of nowhere except for nods to the RT minis. Period.

So shup the fuck up retard, stop being a nuissance when anons more knowledgable share information.

>>96341961
I wish Edgar wasn't a massive spiteful faggot about that mini's availability, but we don't live on The Planet of Wishes and Cakes anon.

>>96342062
Lol, lmao, rofl.

>>96342062
And before Alan took over, FW Imperial armour books had no issue acknowledging the Skitarii and their vehicles

>>96341841
Obviously there's some nuance to it,but I'm gonna assume you're going into 3+ saves, so mostly tacs/despoilers. They are I4. Swords, axes and mauls all strike either at the same time or after them, so the end result is regardless of how many you kill, they get their full attacks. So just pick the one that kills the most, meaning mauls. There's an argument for lances, but honestly the str 4 ap nothing attacks aren't much of a threat so just kill more, especially if you don't wipe the squad on the first round.
Now, if there's enemy power weapons; the decision making changes a bit, but it only matters if literally the entire enemy squad has that weapon. If they have like 7 chainswords and 3 mauls, they're gonna kill the chainswords first so outspeeding is again irrelevant. And if you know the full squad will be power weapons, then you want the weapon that is exactly one step above theirs. So if you know for certain their full squad is mauls you take axes, but that's not really something you can plan for when listbuilding

>>96341491
>>96340668

>>96342118
>fake grog doesn't know about 3rd ed rules
many such cases

>>96342073
Don't remind me that, I had the opportunity to get one but passed it up because I didn't want to spend that month's budget over something I won't field as opposed to putting the finishing touches on one of my armies.

>>96342052
a lot.

>>96342085
Damn shame that skitarii being tech guard is just flat out no longer acknowledged by GW

Fellblade fucking when? It's the only heresy model I've wanted in 5 years ffs

AL anons, how do you paint the blue? Most online tutorials I've seen just do a silver base with a blue contrast paint on top, but it feels a bit too much like plastic jewelry. Got any examples of darker, grittier AL?

>>96342134
3e power weapons also were all ap2, so its not even comparable nerd.

>>96342134
>Most players got into 30k for granularity and customization vs 40k
>Let's remove it because the oldest editions weren't advanced enough yet
>Doesn't matter that it mirrors 40ks homogenization that 30k player hate
Do you have your L shape ruins and objective control discs ready?

>>96342179
Ordo Reductor tanks are the closest to that nowadays, but yeah, it sucks.

Mortalis or Assault Destroyers, anons?

>>96342198
Both. One inna rhino and one to deepstrike and vanguard the last few models off the point with rad missiles

I could model spears on terminators and say they are power swords right?

>>96342198
Mortalis. Assault destroyers can't take the missile launcher.

>>96342212
Am I misunderstanding how the grenades work, then? I was under the impression that each guy could throw a grenade then shoot his guns during Volley step of charging.

>>96342196
How do I take over GW to change this?

>>96342212
It's a typo they copy pasted and didn't change Mortalis to assault and you know it, no one listen to this guy

>>96342183
I use a dark blue pro acryl paint and then work up light blue from the bottom, finishing with turquoise at the very bottom of panels.
I like the results but its probably a bit too light for what you're asking

>>96342224
:^)

>>96342194
>Most players got into 30k for granularity and customization vs 40k
wrong, they got into the HH to play in the HH. The ruleset wasn't a concern until 8th, and it wasn't until 10th that 40k got back the 3rd style streamlining
>the oldest editions weren't advanced enough yet
you keep outing yourself. 3rd ed was done on purpose to simplify the over the top granularity of 2e
>40k homogenization
only a thing in primaris and csm units, zoomie

And weapon profiles being streamlined is a trade off. You lose a bit of choice but gain game speed and modelling freedom. Which is no small thing when melee weapons of the same type except chainswords are hard to get. That's also why "paragon blades" exist.

There's also a good argument about being meaningless distictions give the scale of the game at 3000 pts

>>96342212
Err, it's weird. The entry for the weapon is there in the assault destroyers entry too, but it says mortalis. So who the fuck knows

>>96342179
Isn't the tech guard referenced in the bellicosa potentis omnissiah?

>>96342230
This looks amazing, got any infantry? I think your style, despite being very bright, works great due to the weathering, chipping, etc

>>96342240
>3rd ed was done on purpose to simplify the over the top granularity of 2e
They went too far.

>>96342022
we call them waht they are, massive fucking faggots.

>>96342240
Hey tick your chess clock to your time if you're going to complain

>>96342251
Unfortunately I only have one infantry unit in this scheme and it was basically a test for the scheme (I was mostly interested in doing all my vehicles like this).

That said, here are my Headhunters. As you can see, they're mostly light blue with a but of turquoise. If I were to do them again I would try doing the gradient that's on the tank again.

>>96342251
You might like pintureando's AL

>>96342240
I dont care about your trivia, don't 40kify HH. Whats next, batch buys and free equipment?

>>96342183
Wash the metal first then retard.

>>96342273
I like 40k's handheld plasma and lascannon but the underslung multi melta is so dope

>>96337114
>>96337373

I don't know why MkI (which is not environmentally sealed) would be in use at Sedna since that's a trans-Neptunian object in space, unless it was as an honour guard or desparation

>Indeed, the rigours of combat upon the airless satellites of the Sol System called for a suit of fully-enclosed battle plate equipped with its own air supply, made fast against extremes of temperature and vacuum, and hardened against the effects of radiation. As such, Mark I armour was largely relegated to ceremonial use, and only worn in battle during rare times of desperation. Mark II power armour was better suited to fulfil the needs of the Space Marines of the Great Crusade, and became the standard for all of the Legions as the Imperium ventured from the light of Sol. However, the formulation of Space Marine armour quickly became a race of technological and functional improvement, and fromthe functional template of Mark II, many more variants of power armour were developed.

per the current rulebook (p18) and Betrayal (also p18, weirdly), Sedna was "boiled away" under the guns of the fleet, though the same paragraph also reduces the Neptune campaign to a few words when it was years-long, so it doesn't mean there was no 8-legion invasion of Sedna beforehand as described in Inferno (p16) in 803.M30, and in Extermination p127

>>96342306
>>96337114
>>96337373
an unnamed, undated Luna Wolf on p75 of Betrayal wears MkII while participating in the 3rd Trans-Solar Crusade - any time after the First Pacification of Luna in 703.M30 but presumably before the Great Crusade properly begins

a War Hound (already with the iconography) on p93 of Betrayal wears MkII and is described as "among the first to be equipped with the fully integrated and environmentally sealed version of power armour that would be later designated as 'Crusade' pattern" for the Cerberus Insurrection; the Cerberus Insurrection is undated

environmentally sealed power armour is implied by the Assault on the Tempest Galleries (Extermination, p132), which could not be before 739.M30 (the Treaty of Olympus Mons) and this is backed up by the earlier Luna campaign using MkII/III

p134 of Extermination cites the Scalland Campaign as the first issue of MkV (which would later be renamed MkVI) to the Raven Guard - this is undated but likely no more than a few years before the Heresy; the Iron Warriors and Salamanders are said to have already field-tested MkV (MkVI) prototypes before the RG

MKIII is implied to be available as a heavy assault variant of MkII from the early years of the MkII production run

per the Martian Civil War, MkVI had entered full production by 005.M31 (when Sigismund was dispatched to bring back as much as he could) and the plans for prototype MkVII were on file at that time

>>96337114
>>96342306
nta, but you are right. Anon misread that bit about Sedna and mk1.

We also know that the early XIII legion 4th company was part of the units that razed it.

So think i figured out my issue with Inner circle knights.
I think they went from a offensive unit, to a defensive one, because they lack vanguard so they get full cap abilities on multi point objectives. I think they are a unit you want your opponent to walk into, you dont wanna chase things down yourself.

>>96342313
The Valdor book features the very first public Astartes action in Terra wearing mk2 armour

>>96342354
Yeah, duh, all cataphractii became that. You drive em up,dump them on or near an objective, and your opponent has to think carefully about who they send in to deal with those fucks because good luck getting enough heavy weapons through to deal with T5/2+/4++ when you've got limited LOS with new terrain rules, and Melee isn't much better off.

>>96341521
At 500 and 1k you can get slapped around pretty good but drown the legions in bodies. Naked line command squad, two twenty man sections with blast chargers and a leman russ would be pretty nasty, i think you'd have some change leftover to kit out the command squad a little bit too. I'm doing a Solar list at 1k for a slow grow and I've been getting fucked up by dreads because the only armor I have our Aurox's and Dracosans with demolishers.

>>96342351
>XIII legion 4th company
The 4th company of the first UM chapter.
Not to confuse with the treadheads of the 4th Chapter that became the Aurora Chapter later

>>96342376
No not all of them, vanguard lets you only score 1 point no matter how much the objective is worth, but ICK lack vanguard meaning they can score a full objective point.

>>96342280
Oh shit, I do

Think these transfers would work for a WS brotherhood or are they too divergent?

>>96342424
1 victory point is still better than 0 the opponent will score if the opponent cannot physically dislodge them from the objective

>>96342451
Likewise, wonder how well these jade warriors would convert to auxilia for White Scars. Max out on the asian theme and all that.

>>96342475
fuck, forgot pic

>>96342482
Those look like they would be pretty based if you can get them armed appropriately without looking weird.

>>96342475
>>96342482
>>96342496
https://wargamesatlantic.com/collections/demo-collection/products/death-fields-upgrades
Might help

>>96342179
>>96342062
>>96342085
Tech Guard were basically Guard Plus
Skitarii were closer to Space Marines in that they were the weird and whacky special forces pets of AdMech

>>96342511
Are those guardsmen sized we swear it aint bolters on the sprue?

>>96342522
>Know by the uncouth and the uninitiated as Tech-Guard, the Skitarii...

>>96342462
Oh yeah of course but ICK can get the full point score and keep shit off.

>>96342623
Yeah, them and command squads have the advantage of getting the full points, even if they have no line bonus that doesn't matter if they can hold it for twice as long that a normal tac squad will. From my first few games, I've got a feeling most games will end up with 2-3 squads of lime rushers, who run up to jump on a point turn 1 and then due horribly or run off, 2-3 squads of vanguard that are the ones driving off the previous category, and a squad or 2 of "turtles" who waddle on after and tell the vanguard to piss off and hold or contest the objective for the rest of the game

>>96342240
There won't be justice until you're dead, Cruddace. I know it's you. People claim Ward is the worst thing that ever happened to 40k, but I know better. You designed 8th-10th, fuckhead. And you couldn't keep your fingers limited to just fucking up 40k, could you? You had to go and fuck up HH, too. Fuck you.

>>96342183
Metal drybrushed
Your choice of blue contrast equivalent (Asurmen blue lives again as a contrast paint, so you can recreate the Book 3 photos properly with it)
Metal trim cleanup
Your choice of grimener
>Streaking Grime and a towel
>Burnt Umber thinned to a wash
>Darkoath Flesh with Contrast medium 4:1 medium:paint

The contrast based grime method is a pretty good one in general if you don't want to fuck about with lighter fluid.

>>96342240
>wrong, they got into the HH to play in the HH

On the contrary, I despise the HH novels.

>>96342697
Yeah at first i was trying to use ICK as offensive units, but DESU, after a handfull of games now, im starting to see the value of them as Defensive units. Im thinking at 3k i might try and do like 1 tactical squad, and 2 units of ICK with land raiders each as my objective holders, sure they miss out on line 2 or line 1 but they have a lot of staying power and nothing really wants to get close to them

>>96342253
They absolutely did, but thats what you get when trying to market to 10 year olds.

I got to HH back when the only rules were random fansplats or playing with non-Chaos Space Marine codices as proxy rules, or purposefully limiting choices and using CSM.
Back when the only lore was Index Astartes and Visions, before the first BL HH book. None of you fags can speak for everyone's reason for getting into 30k, and you shouldn't.

>>96341119
I was gonna ask how autistic you are that this would bother you…but then I remembered where I am. Silly me. Carry on

>>96342511
>https://wargamesatlantic.com/collections/demo-collection/products/death-fields-upgrades
they look like fuckin wombles

>>96342306
>>96342313
>>96342351
I can't believe I managed to overlook Sedna boiling, but I also did something even dumber. The very first sentence here says that MK I faded out of use before the Great Crusade even started. I have no idea how my eyes just skipped over that.

I did have MK VI entering mass production in 005.M31 listed, but I, as an idiot does, managed to not note which of the books I grabbed that from, and since all I could find time-wise about the Scalland Campaign was that it lasted two years, that's why the Raven Guard had to have got it by the latest at 003.M31 for final testing. (I had put 003.M31 or 004.M31 which in no way would give them their two year campaign before MK VI reached full production in 005.M31.)

Another dumb mistake I made was >>96337373 where 801.M30 was when Horus LANDED on Terra (the 2E online timeline). I've made plenty of mistakes with my notes, so thank you for your help, and helping me realize that I need to do a double take on everything I already had and make sure I properly source everything this time.

Thanks for the approximate dates, and if you can think of anything else please post it.

>>96342511
>https://wargamesatlantic.com/collections/demo-collection/products/death-fields-upgrades
Aahahahahahaha what the fuck

>>96342895
The Constantine book is pretty solid and actually kinda mops this up a bit. Basically the Thunder Warriors were Old Yeller'd right around when the Selenar fully got the gene seed project rolling. The book is basically about taking the TW out to pasture, and Big E isnt even on Terra until the very end when he comes down from the Moon and is like "lmao what the fuck happened here"

Question for the Peanut Gallery -

Looking to jump back in with the renewed interest, and probably doing Solar Auxilia. Currently split between doing Inwit Phalangites (my two closest friends in Heresy are both Fists players) or Ultramar Auxilia (I've traditionally been the Ultramarine apologist in our community). I know Fists ended up with a bad rep during 2.0, and Ultramarines are >Ultramarines, but is there anything else I should be aware of?

For what it's worth, the "my dudes" scheme I was thinking ended up being close to what the Phalangites have and that is what sparked this conundrum.

The broadside battlesuit

>>96342062
>>96342085
Shhhh, you can't go against the Cult of St. Alan even though 80% of late Forgeworld / Heresy's problems started with him.

>>96342917
...Are you asking if your friends would look down upon you for your SA paint scheme?

>>96342942
Looking better than expected. Though I can't help but notice the obvious studs on the sides of the shoulders where you could have mounted the guns instead. What are you even running it as?

>>96342957
Decoration

>>96342942
Looks ok, but imo i think the entire concept is stupid unless you are tacking on the shoulders.
But i also think saturnine in general are the reddit tier version of terminator armor, and only popular because people like to pretend its popular.

>>96342917
>making your army be a Legion's bitch
bro

>>96342942
cursed
look forward to seeing it spammed as the next 36 OP images

>>96342917
According to the latest web novella, everyone who originated from Inwit was either homosexual or a trans woman. So I just want to say youre really brave and valid for even considering them.

>>96342949
No, sorry, just poorly explained. I guess the real question is Ultramarines vs Imperial Fists from a broader community perspective. Is anything IF or IF affiliated seen as OP or vanilla, and does anything Ultramar-adjcacent still cause grumbling?

>>96342981
>look forward to seeing it spammed as the next 36 OP images
By your command

>>96342987
Frankly, they're both pretty boring from a lore perspective, at least IF get the templars. IF have a rivalry with the IW, while UM hate the WB, so keep that in mind if any player in your group plays either of those legions

>>96342942
Makes me wonder how a Saturnine Warsmith would look, but they'd probably just have the gun between the pauldrons or some shit.

I want to make some Assault Destroyers for my IW, but I'm debating waiting for the MK2 assault squad kit or using MK6 for it.

>>96343016
Something like this

>>96342983
Oh I must've missed that shitstorm. What was the novella?

>>96343091
Called "From the Asses of Anons"

>>96342981
>the next 36 OP images
It has to be painted first

I am always angry and want to kill everyone i see. What legion should I play?

>>96343235
Minotaurs

>>96343235
Iron Warriors because no matter your rage you can't overcome your impotence.
Also you like stripes.

Summer Slaughter is over! Great time. 3.0 has a problem with first turns yeah? Feels like everyone I spoke to at the event went “yeah I went first, got onto the objectives and won”/“yeah he went first, got onto the objectives and I couldn’t catch up”. Happened in my second game of the day but my first (in 2.0) was a very close match vs TS. Managed to win that with my immortals just fucking tanking everything. Love those boys.

What's the ideal way to add a Custodian Deep Strike hit squad?
Figure something lean and efficient like a single squad of Guard buddying up with a SC. But is it worth it to use Special Assignment to take a Tribune for +25 points? Or use the Prime slot to add in something that brawls like a Galatus?

>>96343235
Iron Hands, Iron Warriors, World Eaters and Pyrae Thousand Sons are the cerified angry boys

>>96343242
Dont you not score on the first turn explicitly because of this? Or did they not learn from 10th.
Terrain and fire lanes also really affect GFWP

>>96343242
End of turn scoring is a cancer. No way to balance it in a turn based game, especially when you can be getting a ahitload of vp per objective.

>>96343243
>Figure something lean and efficient like a single squad of Guard buddying up with a SC.
Huh? Custodes can only take SoS as allies

Anon please promise me you fags don’t do this.

Anyone knows how they make the colour plates? I'd love to make some myself.

>>96343266
We saw that already, Anon, don't bring up old shit.

>>96343266
Every single problem you've ever had playing the game is fixed by this, but youd rather shitpost about SOVL posting photos from one game played in a Romanians basement.

>>96343271
The acrylic ones? They cut circles out of colored acrylic.

>>96343301
page 8 fresh bread
>>96343301
discuss scoring and games
>>96343301
only painted meme models make it into the OP
>>96343301
(I actually like plasma-kun)

>>96343303
I mean the pics of marines like the one I posted.

>>96343305
Thanks, Anon

>>96343271
Photoshop adjustment layers over a base greyscale would be my guess

>>96343271
yeah it's reasonably involved but once the work is done it's pretty simple, and once you've learned how to do it it's easy, just time consuming

basically you're going to need Photoshop or a similar program (one that deals with layers within images, layer masks, etc)

then everything you see there is basically layer prefabs modified by color layers, so rather than going in and individually painting each piece or coloring between the lines with a brush tool, you're just going to the layer control panel and turning off/on the bits you want (presumably they have one master for each Legion, though I wouldn't be surprised to find there's some hellish master for every Legion that's 30000 layers deep and 15 petabytes) until you have the look you want

all the actual shading, rust, numerals and icons etc is separate layers that you can turn on or off independent of everything else (and separately mask to provide the illusion of damage or wear), the color layers sit beneath that (or modify it, doesn't really matter as long as it looks right in the end and you're doing one method consistently)

the downside is that you do have to produce it all at least once (draw the icons as scalable vectors probably the whole thing is scalable, draw the plates, the little skull flap, everything) but once you've done it you can knock out a hundred variations in a couple of hours or deep dive on one and make new bits for it

that means you need to learn Photoshop (which is really not that hard or unintuitive! it just takes time and a computer with at least two physical drives and a graphics card, because you'll eventually fuck anything else if you're doing lots of regular shop on it) and you probably need to know basic art stuff like proportion, perspective etc or just practice a lot (again, time is the big cost after you've got the basic equipment)

but yeah once you've got it down, easy, not the hardest graphics work by any means

>>96342977
Dude people fucking beg to get indomidus every edition. People fucking love terminators, and are gonna love any version they get no matter what. Just be glad saturnine has an actual role and aren’t what Redditors actually wanted which is just a shitty t6 terminator with even worse movement than cataphractii.