Thread 96343301

Tactical Spam edition

Previous thread: >>96336810

Legacies: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books Scanned:
https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N

>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics

『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
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>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

>Thread Question:
Is troop spam the way to go?

>>96343301 (OP)
>mk7
CRINGE ALERT

>>96343308
>not my siege era fists!

My warmonger and his stinky dinkies beat up this thanatar.

>>96343313
>raw rocks
Good, He deserved it. Tell us more.

>>96343313
How has the Warmonger performed for you, anon?

>>96343301 (OP)
>TQ
I hope not, because as a troop spammer myself if they made it good/the way to go they did it in the absolutely most boring way possible.

I don't want my troops to be good because they magically get more points for standing in magic circles I want them to be good because they can do shit

>TQ
I have—in various states of building and and painting—50 Mk III tacticals, 10 Mk III Tac Supports, 10 Mk VI Despoilers, 10 Mk VI Tacticals, 10 Mk VI Tac Supports, 10 Mk II Veterans and 10 Medusan Immortals. Infantry spam is the shit, but it’s going to kill me to finish.

>>96343312
The acceptance of cringe is an invitation for its repetition.

>Solar Auxilia
>Mechanicum
>Custodes
>Militia&Cults
>Daemons
Rate their players

Anyone knows how they make the colour plates? I'd love to make some myself.

>>96343323
Was a very interesting “data download” mission, along with me trying to fulfill a campaign oath of moment. I had challenged myself to kill all his automata and all his HQs to send a TRVTH NVKE onto the traitor held territory, if I were to fail they’d get an entrance into our back line.

Turn 1: both of us were firing in the dark, even our best shots had trouble finding their targets. The Tsons made it on 2/3 objectives, and started their downloads.

Turn 2: My Warmonger/Forge Lord decided to make appearances, and deftly cut into the traitors. The Forge Lord and Thallax jumped from the sky and blew 2 castellans to bits, but unfortunately got routed after the enemy forgelord killed mine. They had thoughts of revenge, however. Then, my Warmonger and Immortals dropped down and plinked precious wounds off the Thanatar via Grav shredder assault, then charged in. My Deredeo cleared off the middle objective while I captured the third.

Turn 3: Sheer luck let my LR survive this long against 3 Vanquisher leman Russes, allowing my Praetor and another 10 immortals to take the point recently cleared by the Deredeo.

Turn 4: A Tsons command squad was dislocated, and managed to kill my Predator. Then, the vanquishers finally destroyed my Land Raider. A crying shame!

Turn 5: My now unrouted Thallax decided to bet off their asses, and meltabombed the Russ squad. The Warmonger helped, as he was close enough to charge, and they killed 2 Russes.

Great game all in all, 11-7.

>>96343351
>>Solar Auxilia
Cool guys who accept that their guys get blasted apart by marines every turn.
>>Mechanicum
Usually a guy who left 40k because he was sick of how AdMech plays.
>>Custodes
Kill on sight.
>>Militia&Cults
These guys aren't real, they only exist on forums.
>>Daemons
I know you're in this thread, Sam.

>>96343351
>based
>meh
>gayest homos imaginable
>gigabased
>nonexistent

>>96343325
Rapist Delivery Device. Keep in mind he forces a charge AND can wound his homies if you roll poorly after a DS, but small drawbacks to deep strike your favorite stinkers.

>>96343313
>Just Walk Out!
>Crusading
>Bonds of Fealty
>The Planet You Conquered
>Suicidal Offenses
>Last Stands
>Fighting the Night Lords
>Too Fancy Blood Angels Ship
>The Imperial Fists if you're quick
>If Dat Shit Sucks...Hit Da Bricks!
>Real Auxilia Quit

>>96343367
Nice, I was thinking of making one to help deliver my Veteran Breachers.

>>96343301 (OP)
If you're going to put in your waifu faggotry then at least pick a better horse wife.

>>96343385
Pfft

>>96343362
Was this 2.0? Non true believer warmongers seem like a good way to get suppressed on your turn.

>>96343385
/hhg/ is a Goldship community, as per Bligh's emails

>>96343385
Teio thread thoughbeit

>>96343351
>Cool Guys
>Sometimes pricks, sometimes cool
>Turbofaggots with egos as tall as their cock helmets
>Genuine hobby enjoyers, the most fun to play with
>Not real

I decraniated some space marines and made them into extra large thralls (scyllax proxies)

>>96343385
Mambo

>>96343425
There was a guy using the 2.0 Blackshield rules to do a tech-horror force.
I wonder how he took 3.0...

>>96343425
I don't know how I feel about those.

>>96343425
Thanks, I hate you now, personally and specifically.

>>96343398
For Marines maybe, but Aux players get Haru.

Since you know, they just can't win.

>>96343444
Good. I'm glad you like them.

>>96343351
>aux
either the typical "guard should be better than marines!!" fags or cool dudes. no inbetween.
>mech
favorite players. always fun.
>custodians
victims of childhood sexual trauma
>militia
see mech!
>daemons
middle of the road, nothing special people. equivalent to UM players in 40k

>>96343397
Yes, 2.0. Was a 2.0 event where i occasionally helped cover for people who wanted a 3.0 game.

>>96343453
Awesome

>>96343301 (OP)
>Is troop spam the way to go?
Yes and the gamble to go first is super important. The majority of the games i have seen, turn 1 has a big advantage especially if you can get on a point.

>>96343355
Posted it last thread, but the most likely answer is photoshop adjustment layers over a greyscale template

>>96343301 (OP)

Well, I could spam 30pt techpriests but I don't think it would go particularly well.
Not sure what the Mech equivalent of a Rhino Rush is - we have no fast HQs for Comptroller, so I guess we ally some Marine Line if we desperately need a fast squad in a transport, because the Macrocarid can't transport anything besides Macrotek chumps and the Triaros costs a ton.

>>96343460
>"guard should be better than marines!!"
...huh?

>>96343515
You bet on your opponent not reading your liber and give your characters jump packs to follow thallax around

>>96343355
GW's professional artists make them in photoshop, I'd guess? shouldn't be too hard to recolor them if you know how to use an image editing software.

>>96343530
>you bet on your opponent not reading the liber and giving the best heavy weapons squad in the game line 3
Well yes but how about suggestions that aren't flagrant cheating

>>96343563
You email the heresyfaq email address asking for them to put a jetpack tech priest in the legacies PDF

>>96343578
Sorry son the only thing you're getting from the FAQ is paragon blades in arcuitor magisterium, and only because they sell one

>>96343584
I actually think that one is doubtful.

>>96343363
>>96343366
>>96343417
>hating on custodes
Hey stop hating on Custodes... WITHOUT ME JOINING ON THE HATE!

>>96343593
That one is apparently confirmed from someone emailing the FAQ email about it on the transloptica discord

some test tacticals for Dark Angels, finally happy with the color scheme (heavily calibanite chapter with some diehard terrans)

>>96343385
Still a shit horse wife. I like the purple one.

When did we get so many White Scars players?

Irati tonitrua of the legio astraman

>>96343351
Custodes players are actual animals. The exact same people as Grey knights players.

>>96343689
Looks cool anon, but if you're unsteady with the metal trim, use metallic marker pens. You will save yourself so much pain and suffering.

You can get ones specifically for modelling (like playmarkers from AK) or just ordinary markers that come in the metal colours.

Taiki Shuttle is my favorite horse wife

>>96343689
Very cool. It's hard to pose warlords dynamically without looking overbalanced but you did it great

>>96343684
When they got the best rules.

I think I may make rash financial decisions if they really do release true scale Cataphractii.

>>96343668
Looking good

>>96343817
It's a certainty.
The unit coming default with volkite chargers, the new design in the images, and the literal sneak peak photo(s) they've shown means its a guarantee.

What is a somewhat larger question is what will happen with tartaros.
It seems incredibly likely from the original tarty loadouts, then what they later promised with the 'seige' legacy unit (which they later changed at the very last moment) heavily imply the new tartaros kit wouldn't have fists/hammers. But after the blowback was so hard they had to FAQ the options back, the question is whether they would try change the box contents or not. Presumably this would be giga expensive, and/or they've already started manufacture, in which case they can't, but could goy people with a stand alone upgrade set.

>>96343902
>the question is whether they would try change the box contents or not
Absolutely 0 chance. Models inform the rules, not the other way around. There is no world where they're recutting a plastic mold just because mean people on the internet called them retarded. At best, you get a "terminator weapons upgrade sprue" a few years later with adapters for tartaros and cataphractii shoulders

>fluff says thousand sons used their mind bullets in lieu of artillery, shooting fireballs and shit
>no rules to represent this

What the fuck?

>>96343902
It would be “generous” but they could include an extra sprue in the box with fists and hammers like how the Mk2 kit comes with a smaller upgrade sprue for the special build options. Though they also could just sell you it separate for 40 bucks like most weapon packs.

>>96343913
We don't know if they have actually done any of the manufacturing stuff yet, or if tarty is still at the digital/planning stage.

But yes, if they've already made the molds, its no chance in hell.
What makes me question if they have got that far yet is the fact that they FAQ'd the options back in, INSTEAD of keeping them to the legacy seige squad. The fact they kept it out of legacies implies it has/will have models to continue supporting those options.

Of course it could just be different departments doing whatever they want instead of talking to each other, so you never know.

>>96343929
>pyrae throw fireballs and shit in the fluff
>no rules to represent this

GW rules designers are retarded, anon. It's that simple.

>>96343929
Emperor said psykers were illegal, that's why

>>96343929
Sounds about right to me. Jesus christ I just noticed it has D2 with Force D - it's a melta bomb but not restricted to vehicles or armor, and you can get one in every squad lol. Who needs lascannons with mind bullets like these

>>96343929
High speed game plz understand

>>96343929
Writing rules and coming up with model ideas is extremely hard. Buy this tank instead.

>>96343398
Bligh personnally said that Goldship was approved in heresy, just like that guys primaris sons of horus.

>>96343929
As anyone from 1.0 can tell you, giving thousand sons psychic powers strong enough to replace normal guns is a terrible idea, because they still get to also have normal guns. This isn't 40k where you can restrict them to only having spicy bolters and rotor cannons.

>>96343942
What does force do?

>>96343929
And like 50 Thousand Sons killed an entire Knight House with their brains so maybe it's best that they don't have those rules represented exactly.

>>96343984
gives you authority

Is there any way to charge multiple units?

>>96343996
I'm pretty sure 50 of these >>96343942 could kill a knight house
>>96343984
doubles the stat on after a wp check

>>96343668
that tint on the black is awesome, how'd you get that color?

>>96344007
10 units of 5 thousand sons with pavoni can kill 1 knight a turn on average if they all pass their force checks

>>96343689
come on man, i know its probably recast or just usual fw trash but fix that fucking miniguns barrels. what else is mulched on the model?

>>96344021
no, I meant 50 librarians

>>96344028
Well in that case 4 biomancy librarians will tear a knight to shreds per turn.

Does the Saturnine box come with enough bolters to build the disintegrator dudes as tacticals?

>>96344050
Yes, the disintegrators are an upgrade sprue

>>96343958
Just have them cost more??? Thousand Sons being an elite legion of psykers would be more fluffy.

>>96344093
they do, they cost 10 more points per squad :)

>>96344093
Anon, have you learned nothing from eldar? Having an elite glass cannon army doesn't matter when its a turn based game and they delete your ability to hurt them before you cam strike back.

>>96344000
A true artisan.

>>96344000
Which book was the Blackshield one? 6? 8?

>>96344142
6

>>96344142
6. the Xana incursion

>>96343425
I assume you mixed legion schemes with your mechanicum paint scheme. The final outcome is that it looks like the color scheme came off late 80s/early 90s action figures. In fact I imagine the whole arm looks incredibly loud if everything has bright red ane blue on it like that.

>>96343312
>siege era fists
>purity seals depicted on banner
>Imperialis
>codex red trim
cope horse fucker

Oh I forgot to drip the LIgma pdfs.
Sorry Anon I'll do it in the morning.

>>96344206
I would assume that the colours chosen were intentional, yes.

>>96344251
>Imperialis
You mean the Aquila, right

What do you think the TS rules for Inductii will be, since their 2.0 rules are basically what Asphyx shells are now?

>>96344251
Reminder that gold ship is a male horse.

>>96344469
That only makes it better

Still waiting for Power Mauls and a Lascutter for my Vet Breachers. Sat with my last 3 days of holiday and a big hobby itch that needs scratching.

Show me what you're working on anons

>>96344469
Joke's on you I love musclegirl futanari

Back on topic, I'm thinking about ordering some recasts. Does anyone have any recommendations of particular sellers that have quality at least on par with baseline FW?

>>96343668
Is it bad I looked at those and my first thought was that someone put 40k helmets on primaris. Then wondered why someone would post primaris in /hhg/. And only then realized they're actual 30k models.

>>96344694
>looks absolutely nothing like Primaris
Are the Primaris there in the room with you anon?

>>96343425
Least deranged mechanicum player.

>>96344761
>taller proportions
>more pronounced chest
>everything is rounder and softer
>scheme looks more dark green than black

>>96344799
Basically identical

>>96344799
I think you're jumping at shadows, anon.

>>96344805
Lmao I love inceptors, they're like a moritat stole the vibe of a bumblebee.

>>96344808
Project harder.

>>96344808
>Troon's gender dysmorphia affect's his ability to enjoy toy soldiers

Many such cases

So hows the dominus class knights rules?

>>96344901
Looks too much like a Primaris for me

>>96344910
Stop seeing troons everywhere.

>>96344927
>Primaris
>all that I see
>terrifies me
>Are those Dark Angels?!

>>96344901
Is there some reason they didn't make a version of this kit with all the weapons in it and call it a horus heresy knight dominus? Seems like easy money.

>>96344901
When are they adding a new upgrade sprue to the dominus kit?

dead gaem

>>96345025
That's the best part.

>>96344565
Painting the tokens to make them easily readable.

>>96344565
>Show me what you're working on anons
Making things purple and progressively less purple
Also painting that old servitor with her nipples out that Citadel did back in the day but that's not HH.

What are your predictions for Militia, and for Blackshields? What do you WANT to see?

I don't even see the issue with Primaris helmets. Of course you'd never use the bodies, weapons or vehicles, but the heads are fine to me.

Fuck Primaris. Now, would a Centurion head fit on a Saturnine Terminator?

How do we arm Castraferrum boxnaughts these days? Thought I might do something fun and strip some I did much earlier in my hobby life and repurpose them for HH

>>96345104
Bait used to be believable.

>>96343902
Zero chance they re manufacture a completed sprue. They won't really mention the load outs and completely ignore the lack of fists/chain fists (Tartaros plastic kit never came with hammers) then maybe in a 'warcom community article' show a staff's half assed conversion of old Tartaros power fists on the new Tartaros bodies.

Primaris Blackshields.

Does HH have black space marines?

>96345138
>96345154
Go back to 40kg.

>>96345105
They're quite big. With enough cutting, I managed to fit one into a Tartaros (just testing different things).

>hmm the infernus abomination was an interesting model and it had nearly okay rules in 2nd, let's see what it does now and maybe I will buy one
>its total doshit
What was the point in making this model if they give it mid rules at introduction and then make it worse? The assasins in general seem like they were desperate to get people not to buy them.

>>96345182
>What was the point in making this model

Could have left it at that. In three years of playing HH 2.0 at events I have seen a grand total of one single person who had and used that model.

>>96345182
It looks like something the dark eldar built from tyranid parts and dark mechanicum then corrupted.

>>96344018
my bad missed yesterday, its the new P3 coal black over PA satin black and a very light airbrush of arphen jade
>>96344694
I carved head wings off for the mk2 head, I just like a very subtle green tint

>>96345205
I mean its supposed to be a evil satanic mad science assasin guy.

>>96345102

I'm hoping Blackshields get something approaching the 2e build-your-legion-rules system, at the very least. The two layers of army rules from Cohort Doctrine + Legion Auxilia add a lot of variety to Solar Auxilia and are relatively succinct in terms of page space, so if they do something like that with Blackshield Oaths it would probably work fine.

I'm hoping for some decent durability or melee output boosts, because I have a force done up as Istvaan III Loyalist Death Guard + Ordo Reductor, and the actual DG rules aren't getting me anything here. Late-war Crysos Morturg was one of the definitive blackshields, so if the BS rules are good I might make an alternate model for his messed-up cyborg form and give him a suitable retinue squad. Librarians are fun in 3e.


For Militia, I just want the chaos cult variants to get decent rogue psykers and stationary artillery. Mechanicum tech-priests are surprisingly good commissar-equivalents, so a bunch of mech slave-drivers herding squads of vat-grown Uruk-Hai into melee rushes sounds potentially fun as an allied force.

>>96345182
>>96345203

This is the only Forgeworld resin model that is never out of stock.

why are emperor's children and night lords players so adament about getting their ass raped? do they want attention?

Thinking of running a unit if Deathwing Companions in Terminator armour. Can't decide between Tartaros and Cataphractii. Their main role is going to be smashing units off objectives and sitting on them themselves. Cataphractii are more durable, but Tartaros feel more reliable for getting into position (they'll have a land raider either way)

>>96345327
Bro, just shut the fuck up and put your dick inside of me. Stop bitching about an opportunity.

Besides, the real fags are the custode players

>>96345327
It's in their nature

>>96345339
If they don't got anywhere else they need to be after charging out the land raider cataphractii is better. That 4++ invulnerable save really makes quite the difference when it comes to staying alive.

For the one and a half anons who play LI.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/kamqgjvb/legions-imperialis-designers-notes-how-the-liber-strategia-shakes-up-the-whole-game/

>>96345339
>>96345365

Personally a fan of Tartaros here if it's just a squad of 5. Eternal Warrior means they'll dismantle anything below the level of fellow WS5 EW thunder hammer terminators anyway, and they're not a giant deathstar, so I think you just want the movement speed so you can rampage through as many lesser units as possible.

>>96345182
It's pretty funny that they made a big deal about assassins and even made the missing temples and a traitor one but gave them dogshit rules so everyone forgot about them instantly.

>>96345395
vindicators and land raiders and whirlwinds, oh my!

>>96343301 (OP)
>The King and his Queen (male) gazing upon their subjects

>>96344694
I think primaris have mindbroken you so hard you should seriously seek professional help

What do you guys think happened to those Blackshields who checked out and became Reivers/Pirates? Fell to Chaos eventually like all renegades?

>>96345505
It's implied that the Dark Brotherhood, a bunch of pirates, became a loyalist chapter later, and the Ashen Claws just became non-chaos renegades who the Carcharodons (who are most likely descended from another Raven Guard nomad-predation fleet who didn't become blackshields) have ties with. Some others probably did fall to chaos though

>>96345515
Carcharadons have a hybrid geneseed, it has some World Eater mixed in (and possibly nightlord)

>>96345395
Cool.

>>96345505
Not all renegades fall to chaos so most are still out there being pirates.

>>96343385
If there is a horse that embodies /hhg/ it's Teio.

>>96345609
>The new edition of Warhammer: The Horus Heresy has been on shelves for a month or so
Pffffffff hahahahhahhahahahahah

>>96345608
>Three editions
>Three fractures
>Broken dreams
Close enough

>>96345609
>20 Tacticals
>Heavy sprue
>Levi
>Rhino
Better that saturnine

>>96345609
Thats pretty neat. These boxes are always good value for money and its always good to have a way to add bulk to your army outside of "just buy the starter box"

The leviathan feels a bit of a weird one, id have preferred a 2nd rhino.

>>96345609
Yeah, I'm liking these.

>>96343301 (OP)
> Faggot OP can't even use a HH pic to spam his faggot bullshit
Jesus you really are a sack of shit aren't you?

>>96345609
Particularly like the SA one.

>>96345625
Ye, pretty much.

>>96345654
Everyone knows the Imperial Fists were at Helm's Deep during the heresy

>>96345609
I wish the marines were mkIII instead of shit mkvi but these look pretty good. Maybe the dread could be a contemptor too.
But the rest look pretty good! If they are a decent price point (180) then it's a win for the community

>>96345669
I feel like everyone and their mother has enough contemptors.

>>96345641

Doesn't that Mechanicum force need a techpriest of some kind?

>>96345609

I unironically need the LA and Mech boxes.

>>96345636

Yeah... but that criteria is broad.

>>96345609
The mechanicum force is...incredibly fucking based?

>>96345609
Genuinely seems to be a good box, assuming the discount is good. Gotta paint up the stuff I have first though.

>>96345609
Without using the heavy weapons that marine box is only about 515 points, but if you get an extra tactical squad box you can make a 1k list

>>96345609
>Here is your zona mortalis starter anon, aren’t you glad?

I am actually pretty happy with those, specially the SA one.

>>96345102
I'm going to guess they will both be extremely similar to their 2.0 lists, blackshields just being fluffy oaths and militia's roster really can't be pared down any more than it is. I'd like blackshields to get a generic unit and make all the armory oaths baked into their wargear options. For militia I'd like access to the different malcador and baneblade variants, squadroned russes without burning a providence, and for the rules team to avoid kneecapper rules like third line.

>>96345676
If these are aimed at new people...they don't.

>>96345609
I just got a Malcador off ebay for cheap so I've been wanting to get some more SA

>>96345704
> Zone mortalis
> Rhino can't be used
> Leman Russ can't be used
> Thanatar can't be used
Are you retarded?

I was planning on printing my Aux army, but if the box is cheap enough I might get one or two. But knowing James I doubt it.

>>96345552
According to their novels they're raven guard descended and primarily use Corax's geneseed, but apparently their geneseed has become hybridized over the millennia due to them essentially scavenging whatever geneseed they can find, whether that be from their enemies or possibly even their fallen allies, CSM-style.

>>96345718
They will be £100, like all combat patrols/spearheads

>>96345718
If James had any sense they’d bare minimum price it at a Old World Battalion, if not less, like a Combat Patrol or Spearhead.

>>96345713
Since when did Konrad become one of the twink primarchs
Fulgrim I understand

>>96345677
Yeah, there are zero HQs and zero Troops in there (because Mech's only Troops are enginseers and their scoring comes from HQs, but still).

>>96345687

I'm not a huge fan of the plasma mortar thanatar this edition, but it does look like a really neat box if you do want one of those along. Maybe I'm wrong and having Barrage is great, the lascannon thanatar has the alternate problem of not having split fire to fire the pinning gun at infantry and the lascannon at vehicles.

>>96345728
This has more plastic that those boxes, with 25 dudes, a tank and two walkers.

>>96345778
The anount of plastic has never mattered

>>96345608
If you identify with a female character, you're a cocksucking faggot who likes getting raped up the ass.

>>96345552
Stop with the unsubstantiated guesses. Extreme violence isnt just world eaters. RG and BA both ave rage problems. They've been RG since they were reintroduced in the Badab War books.

>>96345800
Holy projection

>>96345552
As another anon said, it's RG but with a bit of other stuff here and there due to lack of resources. Still, their violence is purely from the RG portion and the Ash Blindness. The 3rd novel is actually very much centered around that whereby [/spoiler]Bail Sharr essentially forced himself into exile after having a bad day, until the Chief Librarian tells him to get his head out of his ass, to stop moping and to get back to his Captain position because the Company is going to shit.[/spoiler]

>>96345771
>Maybe I'm wrong and having Barrage is great
From the games I've seen people having on our community discord, it's basically impossible to get LOS anywhere without entering the ruins yourself thanks to the 3" LOS breaker rule, barrage seems borderline mandatory.

>>96345609
Kind of surprised it took this long

>>96345822
Ctrl+S

>>96343301 (OP)
>Tg: complains endlessly about new models being monopose
>Gw: releases the most cursed poseable kit in existence
Between this and the three paragraphs for every minor keyword, I'm pretty sure this entire edition was made with you retards in mind

>>96345609
Shockingly solid. Will probably buy a mech and aux box at some point. If the marine box had MK3 instead of 6 then I'd be inclined to pick up all three, but I still have spare beanies from the last edition starter set.

>>96345811
It's not projection, I'm a top. Now bend over, faggot

>>96345515
Sharks use a title "Shade Lord" just like Ashen Claws so it's safe to say they descend directly from Ashen Claws

>>96345552
>>96345804
Yes, Carcharodons are hybrids and Ashen Claws call them "mongrels" but they are Raven Guard mixed with Night Lords (since Ashen Claws were prowling around Nostramo Sector since the Heresy)
No other geneseed mix would make sense, really.

>>96345395
>here's something for ligma players
Finally!
>still nothing for aux players
Oh well, maybe next time...

>>96345861
The title descends from the pre-Corax XIX legion, and there were multiple raven guard nomad-predation fleets exiled from the Raven Guard by Corax, Ashen Claws were just one of them. In fact, the Carcharodons themselves are referred to in the badab war books as using "nomad-predation" fleet tactics

>>96345729
it's like a $10 difference between the two so there's really not a difference

>>96345800
Dude you've mentioned wanting to get raped in the ass every thread for like 5 consecutive threads- just get a grindr account, go get some dick, and stop shitting up the threads with your projected fetishes ffs. And don't come back until you've painted ONE fucking model because all you do is ask 'guys which army should I play which army should I play?' basically indicating you probably have not nor will you buy/print anything

>>96345800
No anon stop you ain't fooling anyone
Everyone in this thread has consoomed warhammer products with no signs of slowing down we are all faggots in here and no one else is going to take that away from us

>>96345830

Yeah, I may have to play some online games to see if my previous estimate of Thanatar usefulness was correct. The actual blast is basically inferior to the Krios lightning cannon that you can get for half the cost, which has AP3 base, Suppressive (1) and Shred to get up to D3 occasionally, but if even the Krios 14" move isn't enough to get good shots off without Barrage that might cause some issues. Mech is very sparse on Barrage shooting.

>>96345609
That's pretty neat but
>twin-linked bolters
What did they mean by this?
There's no such a thing in 3.0

>>96345843
I'm a filthy phone poster.

>>96345893
The problem isn't the move desu, the problem is that basically any ruin bigger than a shack completely blocks LOS to anything inside or through, so in order to shoot at anything hiding inside you basically have to poke your nose in, which has predictable consequences (killed with thunder hammers)

>>96345878
Like sitting up the threads with your heckin wholesome horse fetish game? Yes, every OP and every other post must have your gay shit projected in the thread because how else would we know you like cockup your ass?

At least this is fitting fate for /hhg/. No end of faggotry, whining and no games shitters.

https://gofile.io/d/lTmM34
LIgma balls

>>96345878
>all you do is ask 'guys which army should I play which army should I play?'

How do you know assrape anon is the same as indecisive anon?

>>96345800
> 3rd edition drops
> Model posting drops
> MARKED increase in anons desiring to get fucked up the ass
> Tranime posting in every thread for a week
Boy oh boy 3rd is certainly a high watermark for trans/queer representation! 30k will be like 40k in no time!!!

>>96345901
same

>>96345922
You can't make me move up to 8mm, James; that's Epic Primarisissy

>>96345861
>mongrels
Loyalists are called this too, generally speaking. It's not a stab at generics, it's a stab at being a "loyalist dog". Again, Carcharodons were literally tested to make sure they didn't have traitor Geneseed. The results were RG. Old and mutated, but not chimeric.

>>96343379
Big laugh from this, thanks anon

>>96345878
>>96345913
You know if you ignore the attention seekers they don't respond to you? Stop letting them farm you.

Why the fuck do thousand sons suck so bad in ligma?

Discount boxes for Horus Heresy are real it seems.

Astartes get 20 tacs, a HB/ML sprue, a Rhino and a leviathan. Which is kinda shit for spamming.

Admech get 6 thallax, 2 castellax and a Thanatar, 2 or 3 could be good but again bad for spamming.

The auxilia box is the best one by far for me at least, 1 command squad, 20 lasrifles, 2 light sentinels and a Russ. All of those units are extremely easy to spam in an aux army and you want A LOT of command squads.

>>96345609
Guess they needed someplace to put all those Mk6 guys after the old starter was replaced by Saturnine.

how much of the bits and weapons can I use for the 40k devastor squad box?

Look at his goofy ass teeth

>>96346024
Unironically this.
Same with all the Levi dreads which didn't sell because they were shit.
And the missile launchers and heavy bolters... Which didn't move... Because they were shit
Jesus this is literally just to clear stock isn't it

>>96346011
>>96345609

Is there another Solar Aux pdf? The one I've seen doesn't seem to have details on what Tercio, Close order etc do.

>>96346028
All of them. Someone would have to be severely autistic to notice that the arms aren't the correct armor mark

>>96346028
All the guns, backpacks, and swords, the mkVI bits, the bare heads, and the decorations.

>>96346035
Knew i wasn't scrolling far enough, google lies to me when they tell me this news dropped like, 20 minutes ago.

Gotta go kill myself.

>>96346034
Yes

I go onto ebay and raise the bid price of models by 50%

>>96346034
Its to clear marine stock, every mech unit is useful even if you'd never want more than 3 Thanatars.

As for the Aux box, they're just packaging light sentinels for free now because they completely fucked up only including 2 per box instead of 3 in a unit that wants to be run as multiple squads of 6.

I think moving forward our local group is going to play at 4k. The new list building imo makes it far harder to have a truly diverse army due to just how many HQs you need (my 2.0 TAAC list would require me to bring 4 or 5 HQs now as opposed to just one delegatus.

>>96346033
leave the poor guy alone, it's bad enough he's a brain in a jar

>>96346095
What sort of list were you even running?

>>96346118
Asking the real questions when Optaes exist. Hell even one regular Centurion with Logistical nets you so much. These groups getting filtered by list building makes me wonder how 30k has lived this long.

>>96346118
Recon company with lots of vehicles and aircraft ( and a deredeo), with deepstriking termies+ seekers in a land raider
I can't be assed to find the full list and I know it's kind of an extreme case (most of my other lists ported over without that problem) but it's also mostly a way to balance out 4 turn games - by bringing bigger armies it adds up to around the same amount of time played (I will never understand why people want to play less of the game lol)

>>96346095
This is probably what GW wanted. It's a way to get you to buy yet more models.

>>96346138
You do realize that Optaes are wearing power armor, not artificer armor, right? So you can't use your artificer HQ models to represent Optae. Optae are basically just veteran sergeants.

>>96346113
>leave the poor guy alone

Which legion has the most fluffy rules this edition?

>>96346154
What do you mean? Picrel has a 3+

>>96345718
>28 miniatures
>actually comes with 29
I like how James just insists on the command squad having 5 members despite there being a 5-man SA sprue and the command sprue with a 6th body for the commander.

>>96346164
Probably Thousand Sons or AL (for all the many, many sins of AL players, I think their legion is the one that incentivizes you most to play accurately to the lore, with careful positioning and only picking unfair fights. That and I really like the way their advanced reaction and gambit play off their anonymity).
But yeah compare the TS section of the book to DA, WE, SW (even putting aside the relative strength of these factions) and you can tell there's a completely different amount of detail and love.

>>96346164
Papa Smurf boys? I guess its hard to fuck up with second vanilla legion?

>>96346164
dunno but I quite like the BA's Prime Advantage teleporting Despoilers behind you

>>96346194
>UM
>its hard to fuck up
They had the least added with the Legacy PDF so basically yea

>>96346178
Isn't...that the opposite of jewry?

>>96346204
>They had the least added with the Legacy PDF
And they should have gotten less
Fuck Suzerain with Thunder Hammers man

>>96346164
Dark Angels, because their rules suck dick.

>>96346164
IF and SoH because they still poster boys.
And if rule team managing to fuck up rules for poster boys.....well, then you need a fucking new rule team. Just saying, James

The mech box looks pretty great and it sounds like it's gonna be kept in stock so no rush to grab it before it disappears
Kinda based

>>96346224
SoH rules aren't fluffy. They can... shoot better while running? But only in charges, they can't actually run and shoot. And their gambit is... they don't fight challeneges they would win? Aren't they supposed to be bullies and gangsters? Then there's their Prime which is...give Justaerin a sergeant. Really their entire kit is just "play Justaerin or get fucked"

>>96346205
Not all liars are Jews.

Will they make a spearhead like game to be played with the contents of the new boxes?

>>96345609
I love dreadnoughts so I will get one of the boxes

>>96345911

That is extremely janky, I didn't ralise that a standard issue GW trench is now apparently an infinitely high LOS blocker. Possibly the Krios is fast enough to quite literally run the whole way around the obstruction if I need to shoot something behind it, since they can zoom 20" and then snapfire a large blast that will probably still score a decent number of hits with 1d6 scatter, but heavy melee units just camping inside invincible cover until something appears for them to jump on is faintly silly.

I'm not entirely sure how Mech deals with lots of AV14 carrying lots of Terminators. They don't really have any units that can do anything to WS5 thunder hammer boys in melee, although admittedly marines without mass thunder hammers don't either, and that means it's just unloading tons of fire into them and hope they eventually fall over, which you can't do simultaneously to the Land Raiders, the TEQ and maybe the Saturnine Dreadnought in the back.

>>96346307
Doubt it.

should I focus on only melee with Night Lords? I mean Despoilers and Assault Marines and then some terror squads with rotary cannons to apply status.

>>96346266
>play Justaerin or get fucked
Not the worst scenario. Could be just "Oh, you picked SoH? Lmao pick something else"
Besides Justaerin is rad

>>96346142
Bigger games which more and stronger guns, and less places to even hide on a board, means the player with turn one is winning even more than usual.
Very stupid take, and the fact that your min maxing faggotry is now harder in 3.0 is a positive, not a negative (played too many of you 'recon company' faggots with essentially zero recon element in the army, at all, who just wanted the RoW benefits (without a real downside).

>>96346328
idk man

>>96346328
Yeah

>>96345728
Yeah can confirm. It’s what my leaker friend is telling me.

Old SW boxnaught going up if you want it for ZM
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/9fkzbnbc/reinforce-your-shelves-classic-emperors-children-aeldari-and-space-wolves-are-going-made-to-order/

>>96346335
It's still a rule that does basically nothing for 95% of the units. Half the time you charge you want to avoid volley fire entirely, and it means combat shields make your units worse. And the units that would make best use of the rule, destroyers and moritats, already have it regardless or legion, so even WB desrroyers are better. Not to mention their legion specific weapon is... worse thunder hammer for the same cost

>>96346348
I never even used the reroll size thing, I just wanted basic troops with shotguns anon. Sounds like your local group sucks.
As for 3.0, we tend to play on bigger tables anyway so the extra firepower doesn't really change much.

As other anons mentioned, it's not participating hard to still spam shit of one really wanted to via Optae and centurions (it's actually easier now there's no slot limit so someone could absolutely bring 6 units of rapiers or whatever)
I think you may be projecting a bit man, take a deep breath and calm down.

>>96346379
Great for when you need to replace your metal dread sock

>>96346389
*Particularly *if
Fuck phoneposting

>>96345846
Nah saturnine are great they just don’t look good in the pics(like a lot of recent kits). People just wanted them to slightly tougher and slower cataphractii and that’s lame. I would probably suggest getting an actual glue for the dreadnought though if you’re not making those feet flat. Fuck ton of posability but the legs themselves are too heavy on the feet to let plastic glue work if you remove the monopose little bits

>>96346391
Aren't MTOs resin?

>>96346400
No, what made you think that? Even the joke line of "Reinforce your shelves" should be a giveaway.

>>96346400
At least when I bought Malekith on Black Dragon from MtO, all the bits that weren't the plastic dragon were metal.

>>96346400
The wolf characters are metal, the dread is apparently resin from the article.

What would a basic Solar Auxilia list look like in 3.0?

>>96346454
Line and Vanguard units in Dracosans, artillery or tanks to back them up.

what every 3k astartes list should have:

>a minimum of 100 models
>at least 2 Rhinos
>a Centurion
>at least one TSS/HSS
>at least one unit of jetbikes/land speeders
>at least one dreadnought or predator

If you do not have these things, you are subhuman.

>>96346400
Not since the old world was relaunched.

>>96346491
>at least one unit of jetbikes/land speeders
>at least one dreadnought or predator
Kill yourself

>>96346498
Why do you hate sovl?

>>96346491
Jetbikes and speeders are gay tho

*Skins you uwu*

>>96346567
>tho

>>96345094
Test model done other than the chest.

>>96346454
Depends entirely on the Cohort you want.

The only common factors is sticking all your command sections in Lighters so your opponent can't just kill them all with artillery turn one. Once you take care of that the army could be anything.

>>96346584
Very nice!!!!

>>96346578
>no refutation

>>96346584
Super cool
Hey OP why can't you make a basic bitch terminator in the default color scheme look this good? You tr/a/nime loving faggot.

>>96346584
I always love scorch marks on multi meltas.

>>96346266
I do like Death Dealers. It's shooting in your face. That's gang-like enough. I don't agree with their special reaction though
>>96346388
I feel SoH would rather have chainsword and bolt pistol than swap it out for a shield. They'd double down on the attack.
Idk what fluff Chieftains came from, but we're lucky they kept their bolter and bolt pistol.
Too bad for those carsoran axes. When Thunder Hammers cost mere 5 pts than power weapons you don't get too much wiggle room :(

>>96346379
no wonder they put him in a life support unit he's fucking got lupus

>>96346309
think of it as a reaction to your typical LGS terrain

>>96345925
>> MARKED increase in anons desiring to get fucked up the ass

you new

>>96345056
These are almost as shit as mine, cheers

>>96346789
Look, I'm not investing any more effort into painting tokens than I have to.

>>96346757

I mean, you would if you remembered that there are numbers between 10 and 5 for anything other than bayonets.

what if thousand sons...fought like iron warriors???

>>96346841
They'd win

>>96346388
>does nothing for 95% of units, half the time you want to avoid volley fire entirely.
>combat shields make your units worse.

Pick something to complain about. Volley fire is only a bad idea if you're a cataphractii terminator. Anything else either usually wants to Volley fire or literally can't.

>they'll just remove 1 casualty and then double my charge range.

What kind of retarded oblique angles are you charging from? The enemy cannot arrange his squad in a shape which guarentees such a reduction in threat range from 1 or 2 casualties at all angles.

>>96345154
I hope so, the WE had blacks and they didn't even need the nails to rage out

>>96346841
>Using strategies with high casualty and attrition rates as one of the smallest legions with the slowest recruitment rate
Brilliant.

How do the primaris scouts scale next to the new 30k tacticals? I've seen one comparison but the poses they chose were horrible to get a proper idea.

>>96345609
Estimated price? I'm still salty that the levi only has guns not melee arm in the box split

>>96346028
Why? The heavy weapon amount is retarded, two of each

>>96346178
The international jew must be stopped

My master of signals and Saboteur are built. The Augur Boy I did a few days back. I didn't realise how high the CSM backpack actually rides, but they're largely devoid of out and out chaos symbols so they'll work fine.

>>96346875
the primaris scouts are slightly bigger

>>96346904
How easy is it to swap backpacks? Did you just glue them straight on? I do not like the nu-mkII backpacks

>>96346873
>small, elite legion
>they don't play like a small, elite legion on the table

>>96346924

The newer stuff has a larger stud than the older marines, but you can snip it off and just glue straight on from there.

>>96346935
Excellent

>>96346904
Anymore pics of mkII dudes?

>>96346905
Well fuck. Wish GW sold the old ones for 30k at least like with drop pods. With a headswap they'd be serviceable.

>>96343301 (OP)
Starting a white scars army. This is my proof of concept. The recipe seems to work

>>96346388

I'm really liking Volley Fire as a mech player. Most of my robots are Implacable Advance/Firestorm, which means I get to unload anything that isn't Heavy at full BS in the charge phase even if I don't charge and basically get a second shooting phase in close quarters, which is what makes the Castellax, Domitar and Vulturax actually worth their points. The last two especially, the Vulturax would be pretty borderline with two BS3 shots a round on the anti-tank launcher.

Domitars are a lot better than I expected them to be. Decently fast, Vanguard 2, can reach WS/BS 5 with Cybertheurgy support and have a ton of S6-7 D2 Breaching 5+ output, so if 300pts of them get to shoot, volley, charge they'll probably take apart anything less than a WS5 Eternal Warrior Terminator squad or a Primarch.
Even ten WS4 hammer cataphractii probably lose 6-7 of their number and the combat, although not by much because most of the damage is done in shooting.

Now that the bitching is over, is 3.0 not as bad as people say? Are clubs moving over? Seems like people here are actually getting games in.

>>96345108
I’m doing a plasma cannon armature, a lascannon and chopping up the assault cannon to make a bolt cannon. Other arm has a fist/flamer and optionally can be swapped for a missile launcher. Might make the AC armature into autocannons on second thought.

If you buy two of the new msrine boxes you could

HQ
>Centurion (Converted)
Troops
>3x 10 man tactical squads
Heavy
>Five man HSS
>Leviathan
transport
>2x Rhinio
Then sell the spare stuff and buy an assault squad, you have a pretty good army

>>96346875
Scouts aren't Primaris yet, technically , but they kit did get a scale increase

>>96346904
Your sabotuer has a good begining but a knife they can't reach and ankle grenades don't work.

>>96346878
I'd guess the price range as the Spearhead, combat patrol, and Battalion boxes GW sells.

>>96347008
The three primaris implants are between Phases 3 and 4, so quite early in the process with 19 phases.

>>96346841
Even Iron Warriors don't fight like Iron Warriors, anon. That would require them to invent new tech ("Hammer of Olympia”) to fight unique problems others couldn't solve (HH1) and be very efficient at achieving 100% extermination with favorable Kill-Death ratios at the expense of munitions consumption (HH1). Even the few Thousand Sons numerologists and Order of Ruin would thrive like that. I assume TS and IW were friendly to each other because of that.
Instead, John French has them throwing people at walls. The only cool fluff is whatever you make up. You have to like Warhammer in spite of whatever GW says, writes or does.

>>96347025

Bold of you to assume that's his real knife. But... yeah, I ran out of real estate on where to put it. My headcanon is he just deactivates the magnetic plating and picks it up. If not just removes the backpack entirely at a moments notice.

>>96346997
Nowhere near as bad as all the hyperbole online around release wanted you to believe.
I've played two games, it takes some adjusting but so far it seems to play more smoothly than the older two editions. They might have overdone making challenges feel as important as in BL novels, they're not everybody's cup of tea. It's still an improvement over the old challenge system in my opinion, even if only because you no longer have every random sergeant and apothecary be able to do challenges.

>>96346904
I wish masters of signals could take a melee weapon (except hammers and paired claws)

>>96346388
I'm a Dark Angel player and I would kill for the SoH trait

>>96345609
Who tf is the marine box for?

Doesn't have a hq for new players to start out with and contains yet more fucking tacs which existing players will have 100+ of if they've been buying since 2.0

Solar aux and mech are tight after tho

>>96346997
The only thing I like about 3.0 is disordered charges from non assault vehicles. And the BS rework, including volley fire. Idk what else is better about it.
The new vehicle damage is interesting when working with Self Repair, but I'm not that into it

>>96347045
Hmm...

>>96343301 (OP)
>all books scanned
>still the shitty 500mb blurry photo collage instead of an actual scan

>>96347070
>Box aimed at new players isn't catering to existing players
>Inconceivable!

The marine box can be used to make a perfectly legal army under the new army construction rules. Two tactical squads and the Rhino go in the primary detachment, and the leviathan can be added in with logistical benefit from the one prime troop slot. There is no more mandatory compulsory HQ.

>>96347083
TS changed the names of stuff for esoteric reasons, anon. In "A thousand sons" Ahriman says they got the new 6-barreled assault cannons for terminators, but they kept calling them "Reaper cannons" because the name had power to it ;^)

>>96346997
3.0 still lacks flavour

>>96347070
>Doesn't have a hq for new players
You can just use a tactical

>>96347070
Bro the mech box doesn't have anything in a primary detachment, it can't be used without an extra kit.

>>96347116
The box is aimed at new players you fucking retard

>If you’re looking to join in the action

>>96347070
The marine box is back stock liquidation. These aren't starter boxes, they're supplemental. The Solar Aux just happens to work as a starter because they have such shallow infantry options.

The marine box can be
>Centurion
>Command Squad 5
>Tac squad 10
>HSS 5
>Levi
>Rhino
Or a 9 man HSS if you're a psycho.

>>96347057

I'll probably just sit him in the back with the Augur squad, handing out Line (1), Vanguard (1) and free Reactions like a Malaga Package Hotel rep handing out Morning After Pills.

>>96346997
After a few games, it has a lot of improvements in the core rules but it's far from perfect. The Libers are so fucking boring it hurts, except knights which are sick minus their stupid WS4. Dreads were over nerfd too.

Ideally I would want 3e core rules plus a deepstrike fix, datasheets, and weapon profiles but 1e Rites of War, equipment options.

>>96347057
Just pay for the weapon, Anon. No one will refuse you a game because your master of signals has an axe or sword. It would be so inconsequential to the game at large.

>>96346997
It's fine, it's not substantially better than lest edition or substantially worse

BUT

It's fucking boring and lacks flavour, list building is going to devolve very quickly into line and vanguard spam because anything else leads to you losing far too quickly

>>96347210
>The marine box is back stock liquidation
If they want to sell more Missile Launchers, don't take away their Pinning lmao

Hey anons. My brother and I both started playing Heresy, I'm playing Emperor's Children and he's playing Mechanicus. Thing is, we don't want to always play large scale games and given how we banter back and forth, even a 1K point game can last quite a while. Is there any way of playing smaller scale games of HH akin to the likes of Combat Patrol etc?
Like, how is Zone Mortalis? To the best of my knowledge that's a bit more pared back than regular games and takes place indoors in a way that sort of forces the issue of combat upon you.
Following the announcement of the Combat Forces boxes, I would really appreciate it if anyone can help me out.

So are girls allowed in 30k?

>>96347324
Don't really need a separate game system to play lower point games with HH. With the new army construction rules it's easier than ever, just one tactical squad is already a legal army.

Zone mortalis can be a fun variation, but the rules for it aren't out yet. Should be released in the coming months.

>>96347262
Malaga reps hand out morning after pills
Malagra reps head out and do the fucking themselves

>>96347327
You just wait til my shit gets here from Australia

>>96347322
What are you implying? No one is buying the 10 missile a 10 heavy bolter pack.

>>96347336
>With the new army construction rules it's easier than ever, just one tactical squad is already a legal army.
Sorry, I'm unfamiliar with the new rules, could you fill me in?

>Zone mortalis can be a fun variation, but the rules for it aren't out yet
I'm quite content with sticking for the last edition until the new rules come out, again any info you have would be great.

>>96347327
Somehow I think this is like that fanfic of a fat woman x Angron, but this time it's Perturabo

>>96346757
A Cthonian moment. I now accept the legion trait

>>96347352
There's no more compulsory slots. You start with a primary detachment which has one high command, three command, four troops and four light transport slots. Taking command and high command allows you to take additional detachments with more and/or different unit slots. But there is no requirements besides the points total you agreed upon with your opponent.

>>96347357
>like that fanfic of a fat woman x Angron
I'm sorry but what?

>>96347374
I see, so the whole 1 HQ 2 Troop sort of thing has been done away with? That's interesting. Is there anything else in the game that has changed in a big way like that? I heard you only play for 4 turns now, is that enough?

>>96347357
Now I need an edit of Angron wearing "I live fat bitches" t-shirt.

>>96347066
You'd be happy to have any trait.

>>96347045
"Let's use our magic to become masters of artillery and logistics since those two things are king in battle" would be a fucking awesome angle for the T-sons, I can't deny that.

>>96346997
it killed my community, about half of everyone checked out, and only 7/30 are doing games of 3.0. Out of everyone I polled, only two people actually liked the new edition. The guys playing games say its better than they thought, but they're still pretty tepid. Still unclear if we'll stick to 2.0 or go into 3.0. Both have problems.

>>96347582
Why not simply play 1.0?

>>96347582
Retvrn to 0.0 (BOLS Heresy)

>>96347264
based

>>96347600
its an option- we'll just do what the most people will have the most fun with. Maybe even split games between editions. We're having a big get together in a few months, giving people time to formulate opinions before then

>>96347602
Lol

What was that blood angels special character they made called? The pistolier or something

>>96346957
Looks good!

>>96347264
>deepstrike fix
Still getting into 3.0 rules, but what happened to deepstrike?

>>96347210
That’s hard to believe considering Deimos rhinos and leviathans stayed out of stock forever

>>96347672
1 per turn, only on turn 2+, chance to fail, but no scatter

There are no bats on Nostramo.

>>96347756
Then what do the poors eat?

>>96347327
They're allowed in 30k but they're not allowed to be space marines.

>>96347777
Each other, duh.

>>96347641
Wait wait wait I have a stupid idea. Players roll off to determine what edition's army building rules they use.
After selecting their army players roll off to see which edition they play.

>>96347799
>Primaris Night Lord

>feeling out a new HH group at an LGS a little closer to home
>cool SoH guy, really fat but funny WB guy, wannabe vatnik IW guy, quiet but nice IF guy
>and an NL guy in a smelly anime shirt splotched with dubious stains
I’ll be going back on Friday to play a little 2.0 with my IH

>>96347875
The NL guys sounds like an easy bottom, go get them tiger.

Survey time
>Your army
>Your chastity cage size
Night Lords
Flat

>>96347672
>>96347700
And you can't assault our of it. They quite literally cut dev and testing time on it by making it as conservative as possible. All they had to do was 1e with assaults and I might have drank the Kool aid enough to overlook some of their bullshit.

The heavy disintegrator on the dreadnought looks cartoonish

>>96347983
>Waaaaah I cant auto cheese backline units with a deathstar
If your snowflake deployment cheeseball cant survive a round of awkward shooting or maneuver around cover with scatterless Deep Strike, you dont deserve to get into combat.

>>96347983
Charging out of deepstrikes is a balancing nightmare GW has all but admitted they can't solve

>>96348048
What kind of jab is this supposed to be? Against someone wanting 2e deepstrike? I swear hhg is allergic to any kind of basic screening. Or are some players so desperate to gunline that they can't fathom a counter? If I want to kill a backline unit I'll take a fire raptor, deploy it hidden from any table edge after turn one, and then shoot the unit. Or a s drop pod full of melta to shoot whatever it is. What are you even keeping back there? Rapiers? A master of signals? What's so valuable that your enemy would always deploy a death star there?

>>96348072
So their solution is to make it much easier for shooting units?

>>96345609
I swear to god, GW and so many people, including people IN HERE, are a prime example of an abusive relationship.
>GW puts out a shitty rule set
>Literally fucks over large chunks of thier fandom, and is very much NOT what the community wanted
>Scramblesto put out a PDF including rules for shit that got cut that is literally half the fucking pages of the entire core rule book alone
>FAQ day 1
>Sells like complete dog shit
>Screws over FLGS by offering people to buy the saturnine units seperately a week after the launch of the big box.
>Now putting out actually good deals on battle forces.
>Abused wife slurps it all up.

>>96348048
>cheese backline units with a deathstar
Striped hands that got bad touched by a bangle squad typed this. I'm deploying my deathstars to threaten objectives, not hunt your favorite models in the corner.

>>96348107
The true sign of Consooooomerism

>>96348107
>>Sells like complete dog shit
Lol
Lmao

>>96348107
Anon they're a toy company, not your ex-wife.

>>96348107
hey, macca: die

>>96347343
wow that is exceptionally conditional as gambits go

>>96347324
yeah whenever he's setting up or moves a dude into LOS of your dudes for the first time, pretend to tip a fedora while you say M'canicus

>>96347324
We don't know what ZM 3.0 will be like, but 1.0 was smaller scale and 2.0 was schizo.

I'm jumping on with 3.0 and have to ask, what made the auxilia do bad in 2.0 (I've been interested in the game since the black books but didn't pay attention to anything aside from Marines until recently)? Also is it worth to bring in melta guns and plasma on infantry or should I focus on lasgun and volkite spam and leave the low AP weapons to tanks and sentinels?

Are 3 Dracosans enough in a Solar Cohort list? 2 will be filled with Veletaris and 1 with Lasrifle section, with another 2 Lasrifle section for home objectives.

>>96348284
>what made the auxilia do bad in 2.0
Vehicles were shit in 2.0, thats literally it.
SA was a heavy vehicle based army, still is, and when you can lose your heavy tanks to a single fucking las canon, its not worth it.

>>96348107
>actually good deals on battleforces
imagine complaining that people are in an abusive relationship with GW then claiming the battleforces are a good deal before seeing the price lmao.

>>96348284
I dont think it is worthy melta/plasma on infantry due to their poor BS, fragility and need for a transport to delivery them in the optimal range. Overall, low AP is a Marine game, Auxilia is all about volume of fire, status weapons and templates.

>>96348284
>What should i focus on.
Battle canons, and Plasma annihilators will do 99% of your heavy lifting.
Your mooks are tehre just to hold ground and objectives.
>>96348306
in b4 its like 200 bucks usd lol.

>>96348316
Enjoy your tariff prices anons

>>96348316
>in b4 its like 200 bucks usd lol.
My guess is the 170-180 mark but even at 200 it's roughly a $50 savings on all of them

>>96348329
>Implying i give GW any of my money.
China is getting my money before GW is.

>>96348104
GW would sooner let you deepstrike powerful shooting than implement any kind of scatter. Even the one it already used to have!
I can't believe we've had 1) Scatter no Assault deepstrike, 2) No scatter Assault deepstrike, and 3) No scatter No assault deepstrike.
Is 4) Yes Scatter Yes Assault that fucking difficult to come up with?! Why hasn't John French been raped already?!

>>96348333
I could honestly see that being POSSIBLE, but i kinda doubt it.

>>96348335
I mean technically 2.0 was a Frankensteins monster of both scattering (lolvoxes) and not scattering with how DS assaults worked

>>96348107
The most telling thing about how much they generally do not give a fuck and/or straight up hate the established HH players is that recent Killteam leak. They had an article the very *next* day. Meanwhile it took what, a week for that article about the legacy stuff? And it wasn’t as cheeky, more of an “Oh my God, here you retards” feel

Maybe someone high up really hates how FW was separated in a way for all those years. Ionno, there’s an antagonism that’s hard to pin point

>>96346142
Oof this
>Bringing 3 Land Raiders
Easy
>Brinding 2 Land Raiders and another one of a different type
Standard
>Filling them up with a Retinue and two Elites
Better bring a Centurion as a Master of Land Raiders TM

>>96348365
>The most telling thing about how much they generally do not give a fuck and/or straight up hate the established HH players is that recent Killteam leak
Apples to oranges, they killed 20 Spaniards and 400 Chinese factory workers over the KT leak because it fucked up their established release hype schedule a literal year before it was coming out, the legacies document had already been slotted for the next week on the warcom site

I bet nobody is sad about Dreadclaws and Kharybdis losing their fire arrival because nobody actually used those things, seeing how they couldn't charge out of them

>>96348453
Nobody used those things because they were ass to assemble and fucking expensive.

>>96348484
This.
Drop pods were already annoying, wanna know what sounds worse? Warped resin drop pods.

>>96347983
its such bullshit when you consider what they did with interdiction cadres

>>96348453
I love my Kharybdis. Another edition its going to sit on the shelf. Maybe I'll run it as an assault ram idk

>>96348498
kharybdis is a pleasure to build, the dreadclaw is up there with the storm eagle as one of the worst dual kits on earth

There should be two forms of deep strike, and before the game starts/in list building you declare what version you use (some units can only use a specific version). You can only use one version of deep strike.

>orbital assault
drop pods, jump troops and so on. Can drop in anywhere and can assault after dropping, but always scatter 2d6" (maybe 6+d3"?) (no hits, same as blast templates now) and have a punishing mishap table. Roll for units individually.

>teleportarium strike
Teleportation (what terminators and the warmonger use). No scatter, no mishaps, all units must land within 6" (12"?) of the original placed model. Only roll once for the entire bunch.

>>96348579
Instantly better rules. I would say hit is pick the higher of the 2d6 for extra pizzaz.

>>96348453
>>96348536
They're flyers now, and yes you can charge out of them as they don't deepstrike.

>>96348579
What's wrong with Yes Scatter, Yes Assault, Roll Reserves for every unit?
Drop Pods would still have a niche in that they'd protect their cargo from Interceptor, and would prevent from scattering into impassable terrain using terminal correction

>>96348683
With M15" and the ability to come from any edge outside the enemy's deployment zone, they can pretty much deploy their guys anywhere, no?

>>96348680
>. I would say hit is pick the higher of the 2d6 for extra pizzaz.
I meant "you scatter both dice", just to help mitigate that "suddenly a bunch of vanguard vets drop in and assfuck you on every objective, you lose the game" risk

>>96348698
>What's wrong with Yes Scatter, Yes Assault, Roll Reserves for every unit?
Mass deep strike playstyles end up feeling really bad to play against because so much of how the game turns out is decided by "so does he get lucky with the deep strike"
Broken interceptor was designed to mitigate that, and it helped, but it also made smaller scale deep strike worthless. So the solution has to be making mass scale deep strike worse while maintaining the ability to do it to some extent.

>>96348716
In the FAQ when dropping off troops after the first turn you can come in from any board edge

Serious question for everyone, well, mainly people that have actually played 3e already.

With how critical objectives are, and grabbing them first turn, and how list building works, do you think it would be viable to spam just an outrageous amount of tacticals/despoilers (like 200+ in a 3k game) to completely overwhelm and swamp objectives?
Your enemy can't stop you from holding when you have 3 20 man blobs in cap range of every objectives.

>>96348736
Yes, it unironically would be very very effective for winning games. Just run something like despoilers forward to clog up the enemy lines and then amp objectives with tactical blobs.

Another issue i have found is objective placement. its REALLY important in the game as if you give your opponent any sort of advantage your basically fucked. If they go first, you are even more fucked.

>>96348736
We don't place objectives in deployment zones for started, helps a lot to not hide them.

>>96345922
Thanks anon, now I need to get myself a physical copy of great slaughter, it's the only one I'm still missing.

Can anyone convince me Gorgon Terminators are worth taking? I'm just underwhelmed by them every time I look at them.

You can take a 10-man unit of Gorgon Terminators with 3 Reaper Autocannons for 420 points. They are relatively durable at 2+/5++/5+++, but 420 points for 10 WS4 terminators strikes me as overcosted. You could get 10 generic Cataphractii Terminators with 2 Reaper Autocannons at 330 points, or hell, 10 Siege Tartaros with 10 Reaper Autocannons for 450. And the unique Gorgon blind thing is now just against Volley Fire.

All these Iron Hands detachments want me to bring Terminators, but Morlocks are Retinues and Gorgons suck, so what am I supposed to do with these Shock Assault slots? Saturnine crap?

>>96348766
I definitely agree, but I don't think this specifically matters for my dream infantry spam list.

>>96348746
Yeah, I basically envision it as 'rhino rush objectives', followed by a tidal wave of infantry on foot just swarming it from there on out.
Enemy has their own line unit there?
Just tie it in combat with despoilers.
Vanguard units? Swarm them with units while another one keeps capping.

>>96348798
Don't underestimate FNP now that ID is gone. They're functionally 30% tankier than Indomitus/Tartaros. Consider using them as line holders. IH are a shooting army, they want to shoot and get shot at. So a wall of Gorgons screening your frontlines with no upgrades to keep them cheap will work wonders

>>96348736
Is anyone going to run a dedicated breacher army?
i.e. line breachers, backed up by vanguard vet breachers etc?

>>96348716
Yes, they're they only good pods.

>>96348877
This, a 5++/5+++ is better than a flat 4++ against D1 and the FnP makes D2 weapons less efficient per shot. Gorgons are quite good.

>read thousand sons fluff
>"oh they barely use vehicles and artillery and whatnot, they barely fucking use anything that space marines use actually, they just mass spam their limited amount of infantry and destroy titans with their mind bullets"

What the FUCK?? This sounds like the most boring fucking army imaginable from an army building and gameplay perspective

>>96348914
spamming this won't change anything.

>>96348579
>Choose one
>Completely worthless option
>Regular option the game moved to that everyone is whining about

Im always baffled by the kind of retarded things this thread complains about.

>>96348914
>destroy titans

wait until you read their rules and realize they can't do this on the table, anon. I mean, they would be able to if raptora could make that telekinetic CROOSH attack for every model in a unit, but alas, it's limited to one attack per unit.

>>96348736
>Your enemy can't stop you from holding when you have 3 20 man blobs in cap range of every objectives.

Laughs in Panic(3)

>>96348912
And of course, don't forget the aiH trait just making them tankier in general

>>96348935
phosphex panic seems legit insanely cracked.
Like its not THAT lethal, but panic(3) is insanely brutal. Not even speaking specificly about the funny infantry spam idea, but it genuinely seems unbalanced - does anything else have a 3 modifier to tac status, let alone routed which is the best one?

Do TS onñy recruit psykers, or does TS geneseed turn normies into psykers?

>>96348736
Despoiler party is the hill I will die on, but no, you're gonna have a bad time if all you have is light infantry with small arms, can't hold when you're shitting your pants, blobs aren't anything like as durable now that they don't have to take 25% casualties to shit their pants in one of four flavours, Line is good and necessary and right but you've got to support it and now that Stubborn, Fearless etc are gone you can't just put some asshole in a blob and call it his 20 ablative wounds any more

>>96348284
Vehicles were shit in general and Solar auxilia payed more for vehicles that were worse than their marine equivalents.

>>96348952
Its not when you realize that a single infernus malcador is only 205 points for a hellstorm panic 3 template that is heavy AP, so you can get raw AP3 hellstorm.

>>96348723
I think mass deepstrike (or any deepstrike, really) can be countered by castling. At least I know it counters Infiltrate, so I assume it counters deepstrike too.
Or countered. In classic GW fashion, Intercept was OVERnerfed and has become useless. I'm not paying 1 RP to do mere snapshots.
All they needed to do in 2.0 was to limit Augur scanner activation to max 3 per turn like everything else (happened to me - was survivable), and now they could lock Augur activation behind an Intelligence test, not to mention players have half as much Reactions now.
Nope. Gotta overnerf.

>>96348952
Do IW get to ignore it?

>>96348952
Siege cohorts can get pinning 3 Mortars.

>>96348925
>>Completely worthless option
How so?

>>96348981
Hot take, Deep strike needs to be broken up into 3 different types of Deepstrikes to actually be balanced.

Deepstike Vehicle assault rules pertaining to vehicles dropping in, including flyers, bikes, drop pods and transports heavy weapons can intercept these.

Deep strike infentry IE jump pack mariens

Deep strike teleportation: IE summoning and terminator deep strike teleporting in, which heavy weapons can only at best snap fire.

>>96348952
I used phosphex mortars twice and each time they were insane. Massive damage or rout. I'd feel bad not fighting infantry spam using them.

>>96348981
>I'm not paying 1 RP to do mere snapshots.
But /hhg/ said that Warmongers would always get intercepted and stunned?

>>96348925
>if deep strike doesent let me just put a unit into combat with an enemy unit of my choice its worthless

>>96348935
>>96348952
>>96348959
>>96348971
>>96348987
I should also mention that I play world eaters, so my funny dream infantry spam list gets buffed by panic.
Funny infernus will still murder them in droves tho.

>>96348736
There's no more multiple charge, right? If two units are side by side, you can only charge one.
If two units are intermingled with one another, they become immune to charging, because you can get within 1" of only the unit you are charging, and still must avoid all others.

>>96349005
NTA, but he's right.
Interceptor was brokenly powerful in 2e (since they made deepstrike brokenly powerful because GW are retarded).
But in 3e, intercepting a warmonger is a pretty juicy target due to the guaranteed stun if you can get just a single wound.

>>96348987
>Pinning 3 medusas
You mean medusas, the quad launcher dont have pinning on them.

>>96348732
So basically load him up with a bunch of melee Terminators, plonk it down on turn 2 next to the other guy's artillery/long range units and disembark/charge immediately? Neat.

>>96349005
Intercepting in general and intercepting a warmonger are different things. Normally interception is a round of shooting at half efficiency, which means you arent likely to wipe the enemy out and you have better uses.

The warmonger however becomes supressed when it takes damage, so even "some" damage is worth it to neuter whatever unit deep struck in (assuming its a shooting unit)

>>96349020
you'd probably have to take a careful look at the rules, but in previous editions the 'can't be within 1inch' thing was conditional - you could do so if you had no other choice.

>>96349020
No anon, this isn't how it works at all. I would suggest reading the charge rules.

>>96348877
>30% tankier
Math again, anon. A FnP5 saves a unit 33% of the time once...then 33% of the time if it survives, then again and again until it should finally roll bad
So it is 1/3 + (1/3)^2 + (1/3)^3 + (1/3)^4 ...
That infinite sum converges to 0.5
A unit with FnP5+ can be assumed to have +50% wounds

>>96349036
Correct. this is why the assault ram is actually half decent because its basically a flying land raider.

>>96348952
Theres pinning(3) on some grav weapons, and SA can buff more of their artillery for pinning(3).

Panic sort of has to be quite high because LD is almost always higher than cool. Panic(3) will usually test against the same value as suppressive/stunned/pinning(2).

>>96348901
>They're one of the good ones
That drop pods racism

>>96349037
>(assuming its a shooting unit)
Any sort of status means that unit hits at init 1, so intercepting the warmonger and his melee murdersquad is potentially very strong if you are planning to charge into them afterwards.

>>96349044
Now factor in the IH trait and compare their survivability vs stock Tartaros fromanother legion

>>96349031
Its called a medusa mortar senpai, if I wanted to talk about quad launchers I would have.

Hmm, do you think the plastic Sol Aux rapiers will come with mole Mortars like they do in LIgma? I suppose they'd need something to replace the Grav Cannons they don't get.

>>96349047
Very nice. I wonder if a friend has an STL for it.

Some Veteran Breachers+Librarian+ another buffing unit could be fun to survive for a while whilst being killy in the middle of the enemy's deployment zone.

>>96349063
>Called a medusa mortar
No its not its called a medusa artillery tank.
rapiers have a quad launcher.
There is no medusa mortar.

>>96349044
I'm too stupid to understand math, but is FNP 5+ really that good? Maybe I am being convinced on them.

Which makes a unit more durable, the FNP5 they have, or the Eternal Warrior(1) Morlocks have?

What would be the more desirable armor for an assault squad, mk2 or mk6? Trying to decide which I should for use for my assault veterans

>>96349077
Whats the tank armed with anon.

>>96348914
You shall never again have interesting Psychic Disciplines. 3.0's are but a shadow of what they used to be

>>96348952
>does anything else have a 3 modifier to tac status, let alone routed which is the best one?
I'm sure there's Panic 2 around somewhere

>>96349044
>>96349085
Imagine two units, one has FNP one doesent.
One unit loses 9 dudes, the other loses 6. 9 = 150% of 6 but 6 =66% of 9.

Or put it another way, gorgon terminators have an effective 56% invuln chance, vs a cataphrachtiis 50% (5+ rerollable is better than 4+, barely). A regular tartaros terminator has a 33% invuln save.

>>96349093
Now whats the name of the unit anon.
No one refers to a unit by the fucking weapon it has. No one would say i cant wait to field my Neutron weave beam, they would say i cant wait to field my falchion

>>96349085
Yes, there is a very good reason why its was very ahrd to get a FnP into a TEQ unit in 2.0. Because it was very powerful.

10 wounds on 5 guys.
On an armor save
you have an 11% chance to fail a 2+ then a 5+++
On a 4++ and 5+++ its a 25% Chance to fail.

>>96349091
Vet assaults probably still use the crusade gear they've fought in for a century.

The Mark 6 is a bulkier less elegant mark 4 which was mass produced to meet demand for marine armour during the Heresy. Its likely still better than mark 2 but vet marines might be boomers more concerned with a suit that has proven its worth 100 times over already.

>>96349057
They can test to become un-supressed at the end of turn (which they will normally pass). Its not impossible, but its unlikely to impact combat in subsequent turns. The real impact is that you cant deepstrike some HSS in behind someones tank and fuck them up.

>>96349111
>On a 4++ and 5+++ its a 25% Chance to fail.
It isnt. Its (1-(1/2*2/3)) to make a save (either/or). or 67%. Its 75% to make a 4+ 4+++ (you know, stone gauntlet bullshit).

>>96349111
>Now whats the name of the unit anon.
>No one refers to a unit by the fucking weapon it has. No one would say i cant wait to field my Neutron weave beam, they would say i cant wait to field my falchion

When someone's talking about what other sorts of weapons have high status I would generally expect people to namedrop the actual weapon with high status. Enjoy your pinning 3 Rapier batteries, I'll enjoy my phosphex quad launchers.

>>96349117
What would be your go-to murdersquad for a Warmonger? I never used DS with my IW in 2.0 and would be keen to change that in 3.0

>>96349005
I think that's more a Warmonger's sin than a commentary on either deepstrike or intercept
>>96349002
You can do anything, but there's a point when complexity outpaces the benefit it brings to the table. The only distinction I'd do would be teleport deepstrikes, and at most that distinction would only apply to ZM.
Empyrite in 2.0 should've meant granting Heavy type to Thallax. Too bad Heavy doesn't do much in 3.0, as re-rolls are forbidden for some reason

>>96349085

For a second I thought you were talking about their unique breachers they get before I remembered they got a second Terminator unit in Legends.
And can we take a moment to talk about how good those asshole Immortals are? A troop choice, for a start, with a 5++, access to Shieldwall, in a unit that's already -1Str to all shooting attacks because of Legion rule, and on top of that, get FNP 5+++ as well.
Start at 5, can go up to 20 for maximum flexibility, get access to Lascutters because they're breachers for Anti-Tank (and maybe a little bit of Anti-TEQ) AND Expendable (2), so even if those Justies push them off the point, they're only getting 2VP's for it.

Basic troops.

>>96349131
oh sorry i did my math wrong,
1/2 for the Invuln and 4/6 for failing the save, i accidently did 50 50.
>>96349138
Anon if you say just a weapon name no one knows what a weapon name is as a weapon can go on a lot of different things. Just say the name of the unit everyone knows what you are talking about. For exmaple if i said they get pinning 2 basilisks, everyone knows what im talking about

>>96349150
>oh sorry i did my math wrong,
Yea no worries, I figured thats what happened. The point still stands that stacking saves is obviously very strong, which is why so few units have such options.

Any word bearers players run gal vorback in a game yet, how'd they go?
Also, what about ashen circle

>>96349154
Oh yeah and its why in 2.0 it was so hard to get said FNP into a TEQ unit.

>>96349095

I dunno, Pyrokinesis giving your Librarian Explode (4+) is kind of funny.
And I feel like TSons players are looking at Telekinesis on their Osiron for a Shrouded 4+++ psychic Dreadnaught shooting mind bullets (and also, ACTUAL bullets) at people. But TSon's are eating good this edition in general, as widely discussed already.

>>96349142
NTA, 10 Praetorian Guards with THs and Combi-Grav

>>96349160
Well, in 2.0 it didnt help that FNP didnt work against most things that got you to your invuln, but yes, its why the primus medicae was a consul slot to do what an apothecary normally does. Because giving your command squad FNP is really strong.

>>96349142
No idea desu, probably some sort of command squad? Maybe a smaller terminator unit with combi-meltas Drop in, explode a tank via rear armor, charge stuff turn 3+

>>96349163
It is funny. Though I think other disciplines actually give some benefit instead of just being funny? Anyways I just wanted to doompost. DOOM!

>The Warsmith is back in stock
>I'm actually at my PC for once when he is
Finally....

an allied detachment cannot take most special characters since they'd be high command, right?

>>96349149
>Basic troops
You're shitting me, not even heavy assault ?

>>96349150
Except before you butted into the fucking conversation neither of us where talking about units, we were talking about weapons.

>>96348952

He just says phosphex panic, that could be arquitors or quad launchers and it doesn't fucking matter because its still phosphex.

There's only one mortar in the entire auxilia army list and its the one which is pinning 3 in a siege cohort. The body doesn't fucking matter because status is a property of the weapon and not the dude carrying the weapon.

>>96349173

Yeah, the two options for Librarians I've been looking at are probably Divination to make him a challenge monster, or Biomancy... to just make him a monster full stop.
A Librarian in Terminator Armour with Biomantic Rage goes up to T7, meaning that Thunder Hammers are needing 4's to wound. Hell, if we merge this with the Iron Hands Medusa Armour discussion they could give him Medusa Terminator armour and a 5+++ fnp save as well.
Either way, with a Force Axe he's AP2 and Str9 thanks to Rage and Impact (S)
That feels... effective?

>>96349186

Well, to be fair, they're just Breachers with FNP and they lose Line (1) so they're worse at contesting objectives.
But on the other hand, they're Breachers with FNP, and they get Expendable (2) which is pretty high.

>>96349207
Expendable doesn't really matter unless its on a line units desu. Expendable only usually matters for secondaries and vanguard.

>>96349207
They are also CL 10

>>96349184
Prime Advantage: Special Assignment

>>96349235
Man how the fuck did the iron hands, raven guard, and salamanders lose at Istvaan with rules like this lol

>>96349246
>Be iron warriors
>Take Levi Dread as a champ character
>March him into combat and challenge someone
Hey SHIT ASS! Its Siege claw time.

>>96349240
Can't be taken on special characters, they can only be given logistical benefit

>>96349240
Thanks, nigga!

A Forge Lord to get two squads of Plasma Fusil Thallax seems funny.

>>96349246
They were outnumbered what, 7 to 3?

>>96349254
>Iron Warriors
Even when people are talking about how great Iron Hands rules are, they still mistake them for Iron Warriors.....

>>96349246

With a battleplan written in crayon by Ferrus Manus. Badly. That the other two politely decided to go along with even though it probably would have broken their legions even if it had worked, because plot.

>>96348952
So what you're saying is that thousand sons should take corvidae phosphex mortars to get reliable AP2 phosphex blasts?

>saturnine dreadnought's toes are two stages of posing and three pieces each
Jesus

>>96349264
Special weapon thallax feel dirty in 3.0 ngl. The lighting guns seem pretty strong by themselves but with special weapons they feel nuts. They're also pretty tough to D1 but D2 shits on them.

>>96349284
Phosphex quad launchers don't need rending because you're taking them to rout your enemy not to kill them.

You'd be better off upping durability because rspiers are made of paper these days.

>>96349307
The only scatter 1d6 out of LoS so its easy to hide them if youre facing blobs.

What tactical markings do vehicle crew get /hhg/?

>>96343301 (OP)
Why in the everloving fuck is Shadrak LITERALLY just an Iron Father but shittier? Am I missing something here?

>>96349117
end of the turn is after combat anon, the first combat phase is always the most important.

>>96349351
You cant charge the turn you deepstrike, so they cant be in combat before they test to become un-supressed

>>96349353
>potentially very strong if you are planning to charge into them afterwards

They're not charging anything anon.
They deepstrike.
You suppress them.
You charge them and kill them before they can strike at init 1

>>96349357
Anon, you supress them on THEIR turn, its a consequence of interception

>they DS
>you suppress them
>they test to cure it at the end of their turn

>>96349361
I am indeed retarded.

>>96349357
>You suppress them.
Ah yes, because somehow all your 5+ shots and 4+ wounds will pass while all my 2+ saves will fail.

Spoiler: Horus dies

>>96349385
fresh bread
>>96349385
blobs of infantry for all you blast marker enthusiasts

>>96349254
>Challenge enemy praetor
>Hit on 5s

>>96349346
He's uhhh not bulky?

>>96345182
assassin rules were weird as fuck but Hammer arm was too good for a traitor only unit so they took it away.

>>96349371
They dont need to get all of them, just one, one wound and the unit is supressed

>>96348683
no assault vehicle lmao

>>96349416
Yeah you wouldn't want an assasin to be able to kill models, that would be dumb.

>>96348952
I'm gonna run a knight LOW with a Fear (2) aura. Hello -5 panic checks

>>96349503
run a fel blade you wont be upset

Most fun legion for a new player?

>>96350026
In 3.0? Thousand Wrongs.