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>>96358541
>Should CGL put more effort into marketing, communication, and community
Not as long as that fat dangerhair tranny is in charge of marketing. The one who said that miniature games don't need marketing (and only Shadowrun should get attention), because minis games sell themselves according to if they have good minis or not.

But they'd also probably fuck it up no matter WHO was in charge, because fucking up is just what CGL does.

>Clint: Improved Targeting (Medium, Long)
How
Why

>>96358541
>should CGL do literally anything at all like GW?
No.

While the Outworlds Alliance got Chargers, why didn't the Taurian Concordat nor the Magistracy of Canopus attempted to get or build their own Assault mechs?

>>96358659
It has a good targeting system despite everything else about it being the way it is.

>>96358538 (OP)
Wolf Empire is the single stupidest thing to happen in BT history. I really don't understand why it was necessary, especially considering ilClan in the end.

>>96358610
This is bad because it also implies that BT is primarily a minis game, which it historically isn't.

>>96358541
FUCK NO

>>96358726
which time period?
I thought the Taurian had cyclops.

>>96358538 (OP)
About the space surrounding the IS being blank and devoid of stars, is it just uncharted? Or literally no habitable/terraforming-worthy planets outside of the IS?

>>96358538 (OP)
Is the Wall still up? I still don't understand why Stone invited the woof and birb instead of just buy time the wall for decades

>>96358541
My FLGS still has trouble getting things like TW or popular plastic kits
I think they are already overwhelmed by the current demand

>>96358933
It's charted and in many cases even inhabited, those planets are just unaffiliated and not politically relevant.

>>96358538 (OP)
How come all the fun stuff happens in the western part of the sphere? East is just Draconis and Suns slugging it out for all eternity

>>96358944
Still up, but the system maintaining it was damaged in a terrorist attack, and keeping it up is a huge drain on resources. Which is also why Stone couldn't just keep it up forever. The Wall actually consists of a bunch of KF cores hooked to a device that does...something that causes the same effect you'd normally get if two active KF drives are next to each other even when the two drives are separated by lightyears. The problem is that when the Wall makes a ship misjump, one of the cores attached to the device also suffers a corresponding failure, so you have to keep burning KF cores (which are just about the most expensive piece of machinery in semi-regular production) to keep the Wall up.

Are pirates, with limited access to parts and facilities, more likely to have downgrades, or just nonfunctional equipment?
For example, a Thunderbolt has its LRM-15 knocked out. Would it make more sense to leave it in place but nonfunctional, or swap it for some SRMs instead?

>>96359237
I assume this also means that if you had enough cores to spare for an attack force, you could burn yourself a window of opening by sacrificing ships to misjumps to let most of your ships past the wall.

Or does it not work like that?

>>96358864

Succession Wars era.

>>96359513
I assume so, but given how rare an expensive JupShips are and that nobody outside really knew how the Wall worked it's unlikely anybody would really try. IIRC either the Dracs or Capellans at one point threw a fleet at the Wall, but seeing how the ships failed to get through they didn't repeat the process.

>>96359502
Any and all.

Pirates range from "pretty good" like Lady Death or Redjack Ryan to "some dudes with a few Wasps and a barely-functional Leopard and Scout".

To say nothing of the Black Warriors...

Monday's game will be Battle of Northwind (3150), Kurita vs Liao vs Northwind Highlanders. I'm repping Kurita, naturally. Should be fun. Gotta build a lance. 7000 BV, exactly four mechs, only one mech can have any clan tech. I'm toying with what from Naginata to bring...

>YDND0
No, captcha, it's fine, I don't play dnd

>>96358538 (OP)
>here are those twenty founding khans I was telling you about

>>96359861

What exactly is the rifle used by those DCMS infantrymen?

>>96360019
Dunno, looks like some sort of SMG

>>96360019
>>96360027
It's clearly a very, very awful intermediary caliber submachine gun.

>>96360027
Could be a bullpen carbine?

>>96358541
But Anon they don't have any marketing or communication to begin with. Are you suggesting that they actually do their job?

>>96360277
It says "fanzine" in the corner, silly. that has as much validity as the half finished draft of Space Poland we came up with

>>96360299
Not to mention the fucking Bull Shark. Didn't CGL say that doing more stuff with Clan Wolverine was off limits?

>>96360427
CGL says they don't plan to do major stuff with Clan Wolverine because they want to leave it for GMs. Minor allusions like hints at the Bull Shark's origins are fine.

>>96358538 (OP)
wtf happened to the cows? They're like a third the size they were in 3025

>>96360675
They believed in the Tex memes and found out the hard way that Periphery powers ain’t shit

>>96360675
Their monarchist faction felt it would be better to have no Taurus at all than a Taurus without their boy-king with the correct surname on the throne.

>>96360675
went full retard and 2/3 of the planets walked away

>>96359861
Oh hey Map, I played a couple of Instant Action games with my group last Saturday.
To avoid everyone playing King of the Hill again like the week prior, we all seemed to try and choose anything but(te) Hold.

My first match was Salvage V Salvage, Get the Goods, but right away I noticed a big flaw with the set up.
With only one piece of starting Salvage, momentum quickly shifts to whoever got there first.
My Opponents Speedster beat me there, while my Speedster got wrecked by the rest of his Lance.
Ended up calling it right there, because the rest of my Lance was too slow to get the remains of their comrade off the board and that would only tie the game while being a Mech down.

Generally, my opponent and I agreed that only having the single piece of starting salvage kneecapped the match.

Confront V Recon, Scanner Drop, was much more balanced even though I still conceded.

Our Groups Rule Expert also suggested that, to make King of the Hill less of a mosh slog, the Objective should move D6 direction for D6 tiles.

>>96358538 (OP)
how the fuck is arc-royal still independent?

>>96358541
There's not much about Battletech you can hype desu unless you're really into Game of Thrones

>>96360675
They had a schism between the rulling house, who's head at the time was a child, and the military junta who wanted to attack the Fedsuns finally, lead into the nation splitting in two with most of the middle being lost entirely.
That being said, the two states are set to emerge soon.
>Eighty-one years after the Calderon Protectorate was formed, on 29 August 3147, Protector Sam Calderon and Kaff Doru announced that Doru's twelve-year-old daughter Reva and Calderon's eight-year-old son Bryant would marry once Bryant turned eighteen. This meant that in 3157 the Calderon Protectorate and Taurian Concordat were scheduled to reunify as one nation again. Until then, the two nations would expand their trade relations and engage in mutual defense operations, with additional safeguards to prevent events like the Bromhead Massacre of 3067.[1]

post mechs. uwu7

butte x3

>>96361312
Very nice I like the weathering.

>>96360427
>>96360444
Isn't the shark like a rebuild of pulverizers that the minnesota mustelids brought with them?
Also saying this I am reminded of the awful new flag of minnesota

>>96361305
>>96361312
>>96361322
Paint thick enough to act as standard armor.

Dread it, run from it.
The Railgun urbie arrives

>>96362551
>>96362551
Unique customs were cool when they were converted and scratch built. That was a statement of skill by the person making them. I don't care about yet another 3d print that took someone 2 hours to modify in blender. There's nothing special about 3d printed customs.

>>96362622
>There's nothing special about 3d printed customs.
More special than YOU Anon...

>>96362394
The faggot goes put of his way to be able to post offtopic and make it abput his cum and aids covered and riddled asshole even when he pretend to be posting on-topic. And the trannyfaggot mods let the scum get away with it too.

So are most non-mech troops conscripts? Seems like it would be difficult to convince someone to willingly pilot anything other than a mech given their reputation for being deathtraps (and it goes without saying that infantry would have an even tougher time getting volunteers)

>>96362750
Sounds like someone is jealous they aren't getting attention.

Good. kys.

>>96361464
hell yeah, nice scheme. any particular unit?

>>96361476
thanks, it's all paint marker except for the wash, which is AK wargame black wash.

>>96362394
it's really not, but whatever you say.

>>96362750
AHH! SEYLA~! BIG JADE FALCON DICKS IN AND AROUND MY BUTTHOLE AND MOUTH AREAS! I'M YOUR DIRTY LIL ISORLA CUMDUMP~!

>>96362782
Whether most are conscripts or not would have very little to do with the power imbalance between mechs and everything else, the majority of almost every army in history was conscripted. Even the majority of the united states army and british army in the second world war was draftees.
Rather, it would be reasonable that draftees become a smaller percentage of most armies due to the difficulty of interstellar logistics limiting army sizes and the abundance of populated planets to recruit from.
The main armies of all successor states during the height of the succession wars probably didn't deploy more than tens of millions of people per army in states that had billions of citizens or legal subjects.

>>96358541
Let's look at what happened the last time they tried talking directly to the community via an interview with the Sarna team. Surely nothing weird happened with that right?

What? A line writer decided to drop that having Clan Sea Fox create a caste of forced sex slaves for the purpose of flying them around the inner sphere for clients would be a good idea? And that this is a positive representation of sex work that Battletech needs more of?

>>96358538 (OP)
Are any of these microstates of Ilkhanate era actually any interesting besides Jade Falcon remnants and worth simping for? Like, ignoring the fact they will inevitably be killed off, because that's how things are done.

>>96362782
>>96362937
And it's more likely given the militia nature nature of most Planetary Defense Forces that they'd be volunteer troops.
Sure, everyone wants to be a Mech Jock, but at least with the PDF you will probably get a disposable SRM tube, which is better for fighting Mechs than jack shit.

>>96363150
>Mechs invade my home planet
>enlist, they give me the anti tank weapon
>see enemy mech
>fire missile at the mech
>2 damage
>me and a dozen of my friends are instantly vaporized by a small pulse laser

>>96363179
Accurate summary of the non-mech experience.

>>96363179
That's why most worlds rely on mercenaries or the actual military having a garrison.
The militia is there as a backstop and for support like spotting or helping to flush out raiders who evaded the initial response. You send those mercenaries out to actually meet them on the field, post up the militia tanks near the presumed targets, and have the militia infantry hole up in the targets themselves or near civilian shelters.

>>96363221
The tricky part is finding militia that will actually fight when raiders show up instead of immediately fleeing in the face of certain death.

>>96363030
jade falcon suffered 98% dead in the ilkhan trials on earth. they got less than 120 warriors left, most of those greviously wounded. There's alyina mercantile league that's run by a jade falcon trueborn who flunked out of being in the warrior caste due to 'racism'. basically you're shit out of luck on choices currently till new books come out.

>>96363030
The Oberon Confederation is back. Or at least some people calling themselves that.

>>96363517
I don't care about Hired Steel but that's some decently punchy animation

This is probably my favorite one of the set, really shows off how fragile convees are compared to mechs.

>>96363549
I both love and hate this, because it looks amazing, but it just make no sense for them to get close enough to the Hunchback to get punched. I dunno, maybe if they'd had the Rifleman laying down suppressive fire in the direction they were trying to go and forced them into its path that could work.

>>96363549
I'm pretty sure even light hovertanks have enough armor to take at least one punch from a hunchback.

>>96363602
By stacking rules and level rules, he should only be able to kick, not punch. At a good speed and if the hunchback moved, it's not a bad gamble to make even at pilot -2 for the kick.

>>96361189
You're entirely correct about Get The Goods. Do you think making it so the central hex is a big pile of salvage that can be grabbed multiple times would fix it? That'd make it so you can't just grab one, run off, and win.

In lieu of a battletech related image, have the steak, onion, and cheese sandwiches I just made.

>>96363602
Well remember that they're not going to waste good training on a convee crew that's going to die 10 seconds into the battle.

>>96363607
Looks like it was a lucky crit.

>>96363607
Crits are way more likely on convees and they hurt way more so that probably accounts for it.

>>96361305
Phoenix hawk has been a long time coming, really.

>>96363875
>>96363893
No, crits aren't just a "you got crit so it did more damage and you die" mechanic.
It clearly wasn't an ammo TAC, so it's unreasonable that the hunchback just instantly killed the hovertank with a punch.

>>96363607
>>96363985
This but the opposite, punching should do way more damage. Melee in general should be pumped up just a tiny bit.

>>96363997
I think punch damage is fine as is, it's just that kicks need a relative nerf.

>>96363179
>>2 damage
>>me and a dozen of my friends are instantly vaporized by a small pulse laser
Did you ALL fire?!
And yeah that sucks, but again you at least did damage, you think you'd manage that without that SRM?
Again, that's the least you can get, you might get assigned a Tank and do a bit more damage.

>>96363855
>You're entirely correct about Get The Goods. Do you think making it so the central hex is a big pile of salvage that can be grabbed multiple times would fix it? That'd make it so you can't just grab one, run off, and win.
I'm wondering if that'd be better, but that might end up being really similar to the situation we found ourselves in with King of the Hill.

>>96364088
I'll have to work on an update to Get The Goods that makes it work better, then.

>>96362953
>that this is a positive representation of sex work that Battletech needs more of?
YES

Goddammit I'm horny all the time and I want that reflected in my hobbies.

>>96363985
>It clearly wasn't an ammo TAC
They might've still killed the crew tho

>>96363920
makes me so happy to see more white and red mechs. lovely paint job. awesome contrast on the white areas. I think the red could be slightly poppier but other than that, no notes.

Legion of Vega?

>>96364211
Crew suddenly dying doesn't make a hovercraft magically flip over.

So what are the benefits of bringing your own mech to the military? I know the DCMS gives you a special rank of Talon Sergeant and presumably you get 100% maintenance and repair fully covered, but what else?

Lance for next game. Requirements are 7000 BV, exactly four mechs and zero other units, 3151, only one mech can be equipped with clan tech. I'm gonna run my Dragon II that still hasn't seen the table yet. Firestarter and Warhammer do skirmisher and brawler jobs respectively but also have TAGs to spot for the Arrow. No-Dachi is a distraction carnifex.

>>96364262
If you bring your own mech, you're part of the in-group of mechwarriors who brought their own mech, which allows networking, friends and acquaintances on promotion boards, preferential treatment, all the stuff necessary to get anywhere in a real military. It's very much a class thing.

It's really funny when people get mad that strict tabletop rules adherence isn't applied to animations.

So what, he's supposed to directly punch a hovercraft moving at full speed and it just pops up with -5 damage and it doesn't move at all? It's like some of you guys forget the rules are admitted to be abstractions.

>>96364277
>he's supposed to directly punch a hovercraft moving at full speed and it just pops up with -5 damage
It wobbles a bit and now there's a gash where it was punched but it keeps going.

>>96364289
That wouldn't be very exciting to watch

>>96362926
the super nova is in the paint scheme for Goliath Scorpion Delta Galaxy

>>96364308
If every hit needs to be a devastating blow to be interesting then the hunchback in that very clip should have detonated when it got shot.

>>96364289
>keeps going
So it phases through the fist? Is there a rule regarding sudden intangibility of objects on collision?

>>96364360
Is your fist an object of infinite mass that brings all objects regardless of speed and mass to a sudden halt? No. The fist gets pushed aside after contact.

>>96364240
Thanks, appreciate the feedback. The red does wash out a bit, I've been thinking of changing up my approach to it.
3rd Benjamin Regulars, actually.

>>96364371
I read that as "if you fist an object..." which really just says stuff about me.

>>96364380
Nice. 6th Benjamin Regulars was the first full company I painted.

I like using a fluorescent orange as my final step for highlighting red.

>>96363616
People making these have probably only ever played the video games, MAYBE read the novels.

>>96364371
It's a hovercraft, what mass? They're so light they can be pushed around by hand. A fifty tonne mech is stopping a hovercraft, which is bad when you're going at hyperspeed.
>>96364398
>MAYBE read the novels
Are we now pretending that's supposed to be wrong? You get a better idea from the novels than you do raw rules. Mechs can't even sidestep in the standard rules.

>>96364386
I'll give that a try.
The 6th are a fun regiment, I considered going with them.

>>96364406
here's the ones I painted last. Kanji wasn't too hard.

>>96364435
Nice, I like how that brown came out as well.

>>96364405
>It's a hovercraft, what mass?
If that's a scimitar being punched, 35 tons of mass.
>A fifty tonne mech is stopping a hovercraft
Maybe if it ran straight into the mech's standing leg, not its hand. Combat hover vehicles are also made from the same standard armor and structure as mechs, mechs don't really want tens of tons of the stuff slamming into them at high speed.
>Mechs can't even sidestep in the standard rules
Nowhere in the rules does it say mechs cannot sidestep.

i LOVE the kurita hammer c 3145.

a pair of fucking heavy ppc, and a fat mml9. W00f.

>>96364531
The dracs know how to make a warhammer, I tell ya what

timber wolf S is retarded fucking OP sex. holy shit. clpl left arm for reaching out jab jab jab. then right arm has 2cmpl for close range reverse/uppercuts/hooks/roundhouses. and 4csrm6. for when you really really really want to murder some poor cunt.

JUMP JETS>

>>96364517
>Nowhere in the rules does it say mechs cannot sidestep.
The rules do say that they should be moving in short bursts and then stopping when its their opponents turn. In fact it probably flew into the air because it didn't respect that, and that's just what happens when you break the rules. The punch was simply coincidental.

>>96364556
5/8/5 lmao

>>96364531
yes I love it. it's a lil expensive BV wise but it also has CASE II so... pretty survivable.

have you ever looked at the Warhammer X-7 The Lich? now _that_ is extremely sexy. armoured engine, heavy duty gyro, 2x snubs with caps, enough ER-ML to still have guns but also to sink heat after firing both snubs for 15pt 9 short range yeet cannons.

rly wanna run that one some time soon

>>96364267
>Dragon II as first choice
Yes. The girl always punches above her weight. Everything is else is good but kinda middling, as expected of 7K BV in a 3150 fight. The twin LL FS is the best of the non-R non-clantech varients. Kinda feel like swapping the Firestarter with a Panther 13k but then you need to free up some BV somewhere.

>>96364556
It's shocking, I know, that when you take one of the best Mechs in the game and give it a special-purpose urban warfare variant, that variant is great at urban warfare.

I'm just sad that we never got the 6/9/6 Stormcrow S rocking 2xLPL+2xMPL.

>>96364267
>>96364739
Don't play dark age. What's the dragon II like and why would I choose it over a regular dragon?

>>96364816
It has Arrow IV which makes it absolute rape against squishies and BA predominant in the DA, really most conventionals if you load Inferno IV. Then there's the CERPPC version...

>>96364816
It's completely different from the Dragon, having nothing in common but the name and some physical appearance.

>>96364864
Per the fluff, it uses and endo steel version of the chassis that the grand dragon is built on post-jihad.
Tho, for some reason they didn't give it the extended torso twist quirk, despite that being the one notable element of that particular chassis.

In the realm of 65 ton 4/6 Arrow IV + PPC mechs, I prefer the Patriot. Not least because it has variants that replace the Arrow IV with things like an LB-X/20 and 21 MML w/Artemis

>>96364905
It can also tag for itself in a pinch, but it's pretty much helpless once you close.

>>96364930
Usually it could just back up a bit to use its HPPC. My real issue with it is that it's supposed to be a commander mech but doesn't have any quirks or equipment to support that.

>>96364888
>Per the fluff, it uses and endo steel version of the chassis that the grand dragon is built on post-jihad.

Great, and per the fluff, the Naga 2 is based on the Naga. But aside from both being 80 tonners that move and 5/8, there's little in common between a an artillery Mech and a lightly-armored fast assault.

>>96364982
They also both have a PPC in the arm.
Checkmate

>>96364986
Behold, a Dragon!

>>96365073
Man, that is one scrawny-looking bastard.

>>96365093
Well it is Capellan.

>>96365073
I would have gone for this Dragon, personally. Note that it's a Kurita Mech!

>>96364816
Dragon II is an Arrow IV platform that uses the chassis and components of the (grand) Dragon, along with a vaguely similar layout, a back-mounted Arrow having replaced the front mounted LRM10. It accomplishes this by dropping the speed to 4/6. The R variant is equipped with clan tech, including the ERPPC, so it can snipe as well as Arrow.

>>96364739
The issue there is I don't think any Panthers have TAG

Tbh I don’t really like the Arrow IV, I feel like it breaks the lore of the setting.

>>96365929
That's ok. So does everything published after the third Gray Death novel. The Helm core ruined the setting.

>>96365929
TAG and SGLRMs are worse.

>>96365929
The only thing I dislike about Arrow IV is that it took the Clans to put it on a Mech. It's perfect if you describe it as a Star League project to make a Mech-mountable artillery system.

>>96366027
I dislike it because BVR guided projectiles just really don’t fit with the setting’s style of land battleships brawling with each other.

>>96366040
It's a niche weapon that supplements things.

Consider it to be like airplanes during the 1920s when people were still trying to figure out how they worked together with battleships.

>>96366076
Battletech is basically a world where WW1 style planes cost just as much as the Battleships they’re trying to bomb so they end up mostly useless outside of a few niche roles

>>96366098
Huh?

What are the planes in this analogy, if the battleships are Mechs?

>>96366177
ASF’s

And convees would be like, patrol boats.

>>96366198
ASFs are on the same scale as Mechs, though. The analogy completely falls apart. They're more like Leviathans-style air battleships if Mechs are battleships.

>>96366440
Only in space, in the atmosphere ASF’s are way worse, basically spending a mech’s worth of resources to get scratched, plummet into the ground, and die

>>96363307
>”Tanks would be stronger than mec-ACK!”

What mechs are considered city fighters aside for urbanmech and hunch?

>>96366783
Grasshopper probably does well, Atlas and King Crab too.

Basically anything that
>is slow
>is short ranged
>has jump jets
Is probably going to do better in a city than on open ground.

>>96366440
Leviathans mentioned!

Did a demo game the other night, two players controlling a British fleet, two had a French/Russian combined fleet. Was pretty fun.

How stealthy can you be with mechs in Introtech? Covert ops with mechs and dropship possible?

>>96367663
Depends on your target. If you're going after someone who's detection suite is just seeing shit and they don't detect the jumpship emerging because they don't have those sensors, and they don't see you on the multi day approach to the planet, and you enter atmosphere on the far side of the planet so reentry isn't visible or audible, and you fly your dropship below the visual/radar horizon, you could probably insert a few hours away from your target and walk through the uninhabited areas to launch a surprise attack. So it works against pirates, or the various one city worlds. For an actually developed planet you can't really hide your approach so you'd have to blend in with civilian traffic.

>>96367663
>>96367731
Pirate points have the double advantage of being less predictable and closer, so they're less likely to be observing it for jumpships and have less time to see the approach. You're still not likely to arrive completely undetected, if nothing else they'll catch you entering orbit. But that doesn't give them enough time to deploy anything, wherever the defenders are is where they're going to be unless they want to chase after you while you freely move around on the ground.
Most worlds also don't have great satellite coverage and all you have to do to counter it is install one additional ton of communications equipment in your dropship's cargo bay to be able to hack them and intercept whatever it is they do.

I just learned about Triple F burger and want to use it in some way, but can't think of how to incorporate it in a mission or a contract. I mean, under what circumstance would you need the mechs to attack/defend a spess Burger King restaurant?

>>96367803
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Beaufort%27s_Cossacks

>>96367803
Meat lockers are relatively well protected, to the point of repelling small arms fire, so if it's a hostage/rescue scenario, a fast food place isn't a bad choice to hole up in.

>>96367803
Those STLs look nice
Not sure if the Atlas Statue will work on an filament printer tho

>>96367768
>Pirate points have the double advantage of being less predictable and closer, so they're less likely to be observing it for jumpships and have less time to see the approach.
Considering they're your LaGrange Points, it's surprising they don't.

>>96368204
A simple lagrange point isn't good enough because while they're at net zero motion relative to the star and one planet, they tend to be under gravitational influence from other planets, passing asteroids, etc. This is why you need extremely detailed and up to date info on a star system's layout to predict a pirate point's existence

>>96368204
There are two kinds of pirate points. The simpler of the two is the "proximity point" where you find a valid jump location that's closer to where your target is than the standardized zenith and nadir points. If you're trying to go to some moonbase on an outer planet that takes decades to circle the star, jumping way out as near to where it currently is as you can get makes more sense than jumping "above" the orbital plane and then transiting aaaaaalllllll the way out there.
The second kind of pirate point is very temporary and relies on finding perfect zones of mutually canceled gravity somewhere deep inside a solar system. These zones are usually pretty small and might only last for hours or days (and then you have to plan a different exit, since the jumpship's transit drive is very slow), but they could be extremely close to a target.

>>96368353
>The second kind of pirate point is very temporary and relies on finding perfect zones of mutually canceled gravity somewhere deep inside a solar system.
LaGrange points aren't temporary though, they are going to be a known factor of Orbital Mechanics.
This Anon >>96368244 correctly points out there not going to be as easy to calculate thanks to other significant gravitational bodies, but that would still be only an Order of Magnitude more difficult and probably within the acceptable risk factor for a Jump.

Is it possible to do void battles, as in mechs fighting in the void of space, in Battletech rules? I've been thinking about possible scenarios for a campaign I'm doing with a friend, and this is one thing we haven't thought about before. I don't expect it to be something like Gundam or Macross, but how possible or >fun would it be?

>>96368453
The ones used for pirate points often are. Not every system has the exact same lagrange points as Sol.

>>96368453
The difference between temporary and often unavailable is academic at best. If you can only use the point for three days once every 13 years because that's when that one bastard planetoid finally wobbles out of the way at the same time a fat gas giant rolls over, that's effectively temporary.

>>96368204
It's not just your Lagrange Points, it's every single celestial body in the entire solar systems Lagrange Points. That all have to line up in one spot for enough time to cancel all gravity entirely. If the Earth and the Sun are canceled out but Mars is over there gravifying things, then that point is useless for jumps.

>>96368485
Vacuum rules are not fun. Hull Integrity checks ruin the pace of the game and make the play feel excessively random

>>96368495
>The ones used for pirate points often are. Not every system has the exact same lagrange points as Sol.
Yeah, but it's going to have LaGrange Points, it's a new Three-body Problem but it isn't unsolvable!

>>96368527
That's not how the physics works though!

>>96368640
>It's not just your Lagrange Points, it's every single celestial body in the entire solar systems Lagrange Points.
Difficult sure, but not unsolvable, and Jump Mechanics has to account for some margin of error because OTHER SHIPS at the Zenith and Nadar will have an infinitesimal gravity pull!

>>96368699
It's an X body problem, not a 3 body problem, where X is at least a double digit number.

>>96368708
Except is X a "Double Digit Number"?
Normal Jump Points are usually only about a week's burn from a Planet's orbit.
I know Fusion Drives in BattleTech are broken efficient, but even a 1 G burn is only going to peak at so many million miles per second, they're not out in deep space.

>>96368760
Average star system has ten-ish planets, dozens of moons, and thousands of asteroids, all of which are potential factors for the equation.

>>96368769
>Average star system has ten-ish planets, dozens of moons, and thousands of asteroids, all of which are potential factors for the equation.
And all of which would still have an affect on the Stellar Zenith and Nadar!

>>96368760
You can't just calculate the lagrange between the star and one planet. You also need to calculate it between the planet and its moons and other planets and those planets between each other and their moons and each others moons and the star and between the star and the moons and the planets and the asteroids and the asteroids and the moons and the asteroids and the stars. All of that has to add up to near zero in one location and that location has to be closer to your destination than the zenith or nadir points because otherwise it's not worth using.
There's a reason they use specialized computers for this.

>>96368799
>nadar
You need to actually know how to read to be interested in science fiction. Go read at least eight novels by eight different sci fi authors from at least three different decades, then come back. There will be discussion questions and an essay once your reading is finished. Then you can post here.

>>96368807
>You also need to calculate it between the planet and its moons and other planets and those planets between each other and their moons and each others moons and the star and between the star and the moons and the planets and the asteroids and the asteroids and the moons and the asteroids and the stars.
Yes, and you'd still have to do this for a REGULAR JUMP!

>There's a reason they use specialized computers for this.
And computers in the Eighties could probably do this!

>>96368821
>MINOR SPELLING MISTAKE, I WIN!!!1!!2!!3!

Has anyone tried using the new unit manager function in mech factory?

>>96368485
off the top of my head, it requires jump jets and the mechs will move basically like helicopters on land maps.

>>96367663
>Covert ops with mechs and dropship possible?

In canon, yes.

>>96368495
>Not every system has the exact same lagrange points as Sol.

Actually, it generally will, with slight adjustments. Exceptions can be made for multiple star systems whose stars are not that close to each other.

ISXLFE+torso Gausses; suicidal?

>>96369951
Not ideal if you can put them in the arms, but could be worse.

Remember that a mech with 3 engine crits is fixable.

>>96369978
How many engine crits until it becomes unfixable?

>>96367803
A planet going through large scale civil unrest, the Triple F in question was being used by (pick a side) as a field operating base and/or rallying point to aid civies trying to escape the growing conflict.

Defending: the conflict zone has grown to encompass the Triple F and the building has come under repeated escalating attacks as the opposition seeks to claim it/destroy it for its strategic value. Your unit was nearest when intel came down of an impending raid containing mechs en route, as such you are to redeploy immediately to fend off the attack.

Assaulting: (your side) has obtained intel that the several key figures of the opposition currently occupying the Triple F and their preferable capture or verified deaths will help bring an end to the conflict, in the current region at least.

Alt: A cashier has been sleeping with members from 2 merc units that are little better than pirates, both hyper competitive and openly hostile to one another, who eventually find out. Thus begins the 15 minute war over Wendy at counter 2.

>>96369951
Easy, just avoid being hit.

>>96370111
Ramirez, Burger Town!

>>96370103
At 4 in one round, the engine starts taking checks for explosions, which is bad. At 6, you're basically using it as scrap parts to fix up other engines. If the mech loses all CT structure then it's reduced to shrapnel and not recoverable at all.

how accurate is this

>>96370544
Spastic and not. Also didn't even include all the clans.

>>96367803
Wonder what mission can be done with the burger/ingredient itself being the central objective; Stealing cows from the ranch is more of IndustrialMech thing I suppose?

>>96370695
Triple F uses whale meat.

>>96370695
Triple F uses Whale Meat.

>>96370695
I don't think use beef, but I'm not really sure what it is.

How's this look?

>>96370709
>>96370712
>>96370766
alien whale hunt with mech-harpoon it is then

>>96370823
This was my character's backstory in Lancer. He hunted Steamwhales, which were functionally living geysers.

>>96363179
This the noise that conscripts who have never been trained to perform an ambush properly make. That or they were lead by an absolute moron.

>>96370695
To clarify: Triple F uses whatever meats are available on planet, which on planets where whale meat is a source of protein will be whale. Their signature taste comes from the sauce. But if beef is common they use beef. On planets with a large Hindu population they probably use mutton. I do love a good mutton burger.

>>96370911
>I do love a good mutton burger.

If you live in a developed country, and you aren't a sheep farmer, you've never had mutton a day in your life, only lamb.

>>96371009
What is mutton precious? Is it tasty? Is it scrumptious?

>>96370812
Not enough dakka to warrant XL.

>>96371043
No wait, I'm retarded, I just noticed second gauss.

>>96371022
stinks

>>96371009
I et me a sheep once. The sheep farmers dropped two of them off at our campsite and we killed and et em proper. I've et sheep, goats, and these big ass food rabbits that I helped slaughter and cook. I'm glad I experienced it like that. Made me appreciate meat in a new way. Can't stand the idea of people wasting meat or doing dumb things with it or over-indulging in it now. Holding a critter while it fights to stay alive while it's having its throat cut will do that. Thankfully their lights go out fast.

>>96371009
Used to know a sheep farmer and he made amazing mutton burgers.

My heart hurts. I swear this story is true:

>buy models+books for CBT after 25+ years reading lore
>hear this LGS has a BT community, rare in my city
>go, shop is nice, great stock, and they're about to start a campaign
>"Anon, come meet the the one running the campaign, Morgan!"
>"Morgan" is 50, overweight, missing teeth, and very obviously MtF trans
>Morgan's three mechs are all painted either blue, white, or pink, sloppily of course
Guess I'll never play CBT IRL. Feels bad man, and I feel bad for Morgan. Seemed like a nice guy, but got some real demons.

>>96371256
>Not being able to stomach the scum of the earth in your hobby.

I mean, that's pretty much all tabletop. It's also why most big old groups play with friends at home.

>>96371256
Sounds like you have to start your own, separate campaign. With Blackjack mechs and canopian catgirl hookers.

>>96367450
My Kickstarter started showing up (albeit just the austro Hungarian cruiser and the Operation Ragnar campaign box) on monday.

Behold my fully Painted Adler Cruiser, SML Hohenberg.

(The Prepaint was shit, you really gotta paint these things yourself.)

>>96371529
The Prepaint in question.

>>96371532
It's very much "bare minimum" yeah, but it's not like it takes any extra effort to paint. Yours looks good though, nice.

>>96371552
where can I get an imperial german navy uniform... asking for a friend...

>>96370823
"Split your lungs with blood and thunder!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnwZca8z9II

Kinda eerie the Lead Guitarist just died.

>>96371256
Are you sure she's a transwoman and not just ugly?

>>96371619
Various costume websites and such. But you're better off getting something similar looking made out of cotton instead of the wool the actual naval uniforms used, since you won't really be wearing it in the Baltic or North Sea.

>>96371256
You should probably stop gatekeeping yourself and just play the game

Just Finished my Terrain Board for the Northern Assault Tournament next weekend.

>>96371696
Your scale is all over the fucking place.

>>96371744
I mean I do have a Mechscale Dropship, but if I put that on the board there wouldn't be much of a board. Tanks, Mechs, and Houses are the right size IMO, and Trees are clearly alien trees.

>>96371532
I dunno, it just need some badab black imo

>>96371753
where did you get the trees, houses, and the... how should I call it, the ground board?

>>96371764
The houses are from a 5mm paper cut-out terrain set I bought for 20$ at Historicon, company is Paperterrain.com, Trees are model railway trees i bought in a variety pack off of Amazon, terrain board is a one inch thick sheet of pink foam insulation board that I cut out with a hot knife. I usually use it for full scale battlefield terrain stuff. Used Airbrushing for the paint on the board since spraypaint eats through the foam. Grass is I think the army painter static grass?

I drew out all the sunken areas for the dropship's feet and the mech's bodies using sharpy on the board before I painted it, and cut into those areas using the wand extension for my hot knife to create indentations for the mechs to sit in.

My one regret is that I based my tanks the same way I based the mechs before I did the board, meaning they have grass on the highway.

>>96371696
I enjoy the cherry blossom theme. Looks rad, my dude.

>>96371696
really cool stuff. gj anon.

>>96370812
looks slightly over cooled. decent mech I suppose but the engine death will make you pretty fragile.

I think I'm done this mech? besides the base ofc.

the original attempt, for reference

>>96371789
Don't forget to mention your "grass" is colored railroad table balast. Model railroad stuff is so cheap and looks so good. Well, except the buildings. Those be pricey. Good switchout with the pepakura stuff.

>>96371789
>spraypaint eats through the foam.
You can mix up a thin coat of Gesso to overcoat pink foam, then paint over that. It also help protect the foam.

>>96371978
That's old school and correct, but you can also use liquid acrylic like Future for the same effect with less viscosity and more uses outside that.

>>96371978
I've done that too, but it's a lot of work and I'd rather just airbrush and then dullcoat for protection.

>>96371870
You should probably add colors to the sensor suite on his left shoulder, the sensors all being blacked out just feels a little wrong somehow. Regardless fantastic work and better than I can muster. It'll also add another point of contrast which would be cool

Painted my first mech, really happy with him. Just gotta put flock on the base.

>>96372054
>Diamond Shart colors
Is there something else you wish to share, Anon?

>>96372063
I just pained em blue cuz I like blue, don’t really know much about the setting (yet)

>>96371982
>you can also use liquid acrylic like Future for the same effect with less viscosity and more uses outside that.
But they don't make Future anymore...

>>96371552
This isn’t a Leviathans thread, would you kindly…fuck off

>>96372005
thanks, that's a good idea

>>96372054
crab! or a night chanter?

cute mech anon <3

>Field an entire Third Succession War battle group of iconic BattleMechs
Oh my

>>96372201
Hmmm...

No.

>>96372397
These CGL retcons are actually getting out of control. We need a Luigi to find Loren Coleman's home address.

>>96371022
It has a very strong taste that most people don't like. And raising sheep for milk creates a surplus of male lambs, which turn into food; same thing as veal.

Outside of the WoB's, how advanced/sofiscated is the AI in the setting in general?

What does a female clan mechwarrior, famous or not, look like. any canon examples. Just trying thinking of some crossplay ideas

Do another grudge match, yay or nay?

>>96372658
Trueborn or Freeborn? Clanner or Bondsman?

>>96372658
Look at any of the 50 completely different drawings of natasha kerensky.

>>96372703
Trueborn Clanner

>>96372740
Crackhead aesthetic is probably what you'll be going for then

>>96372658
>>96372740
Depends on era. Classic FASA Clans are based on the 90's but even that varies wildly. Pic related is an example of a few of the different aesthetics you can pick and its just generic scifi really.

>>96372756
They can go cute

>>96372823
or crackhead

>>96372598
In the civilian sector it's basically nonexistent, video game "AI" is the best you get.
In the military sector it's mostly simple but can be surprisingly adaptable. Like adapting to your personal choices in various situations to the point it knows what you'll do before you do it and preemptively move to accommodate.

>>96370604
Nobody cares about the missing ones

>>96372054
That’s really good for a first mech, the edge highlight on the panels is pretty nice. I’m guessing this isn’t your first mini, even though you did say first *mech*.

>>96372658
There's a picture in the MW2e Companion for the Crusader Mechwarrior. I can't get a pic just now, and the scan on Snord is bad, but it's an attractive young woman with her hair in a ponytail, smiling for the camera, wearing a white undershirt (like a female wifebeater) and dark fatigue pants...and also EI tattoos.

FM: Crusader Clans and FM: Warden Clans are also both good sources for funny Clan uniforms, some of which are for women.

>>96372712
She's pretending not to be a Clanner in most of them.

>>96373397
She never fully embraced the IS mechwarrior aesthetic

>>96372453
>And raising sheep for milk creates a surplus of male lambs
Same for Cows, if only there was a mammal that didn't need to be pregnant to lactate...

>>96372829
This is objectively the best interpretation of "fishnet body stocking".

>>96372077
I support this approach.

For what it's worth, you can find a formation in any faction for almost any color scheme.

How do Battletech pilots compare?

>>96372397
Is Amazon machine generating product names now?

>>96358538 (OP)
Imma say this, The Hunchback is the Shawn Michaels of Battlemechs and the IIC is the Jannety and Bret the Shitman Hart mixed together

>>96373781
Gundam list is missing one

>>96374414
No because that's a Zaku Pilot!

>>96372598
Most AI is not very advanced, it's one of the unwritten rules of the setting "no sentient AI". However, the star league had stuff like CASPAR. There is also AI is Necromo Nightmare and Ghosts of Obeedah.

Blaming the Dracs for Kentares is ridiculous. Except for maybe the FedSuns, every other successor state would probably have had a similar initial response if the same had happened to their head of state, especially the more unhinged ones like the Capellans and Lyrans. You just need to have the right individuals in place and they would have ordered the same thing

The only difference is that the DCMS was actually disciplined enough to carry out the orders thoroughly, and probably would not have chickened out like the other armies which are made of less sterner stuff and would probably have started refusing further massacre orders after the first several tens of thousands

Always felt a little weird to me that ASF’s are integrated into neurohelmets. Like, they don’t even use it for anything besides having a sense of direction and balance, and you’re going waste valuable neurohelmet compatible pilots on an ASF?

>>96374817
also like, human brains aren't even that good at flight stuff? wouldn't it make more sense to put the neurohelmet on a dragonfly or a falcon or something?

>>96374663
Yes.

>>96373781
picrel

>>96358538 (OP)
Hired Steel EP4 is out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=016ZJtdgiCs

>>96375042
fukken love these animations. that shot where the catapult lays down smoke is dope.

>>96374817
Space combat by definition is going to be far more demanding to reaction time and information handling than ground combat. The reason why you put a neurohelmet in an ASF pilot is because without it they are fucking atoms against a pilot who has one.

It is worth remembering that even during 3rd Succ, almost all Battlemechs featured neurohelmets, such as they were at the time; but there was no point in hotdogging an ASF without a helmet in the sense that you could technically sit down buck-naked in an Urbs and be more than useless. An ASF pilot without a neurohelmet is a casualty at best; at worst, a good way to trash a multi-million cbill ASF.

>>96375042
I love how they show off how the mechs are basically land battleships. The mechs are able to shrug off barrage after barrage of shells and missiles, while all of the convees got taken out in a single hit.

>>96373782
Amazon always just makes up whatever details it wants and refuses to correct them. Order from them now and you can get the rare BMM softcover or upcoming TR 3025 hardcover.

>>96375167
tbf they're also very light convees, and the Battlemechs are depicted acting like... More video game-y cut scene-y than the way mechs behave in tabletop. If it was full tabletop interpretation the mech's aim and movement would be retarded.

>>96375104
>wrt: the survivability of con vees and ASF
...yeah. Part of the whole thing that made battletech work with mechs as a thing was the central idea that Battlemechs are super survivable and it's a resource scarce setting. having resources be plentiful and allowing factions to field ASF en masse, or the production of warships for that matter, both take away from Battlemechs being the dominant player.

side note: this red is so heckin' red.

>>96375237
Well, the convees are sized appropriately for what you would expect. Nobody’s going to be building a mech-sized tank, that’s retarded and everybody knows it, but nobody knows how big a mech is supposed to be so you can make them as big as you want. Hence why you see a mech whose head is as big as the entire tank it’s fighting against.

>>96375259
>the convees are sized appropriately for what you would expect. Nobody’s going to be building a mech-sized tank, that’s retarded and everybody knows it

funny bait, have a (You)

how come there isn't a very big hovercraft with choppy propulsion blades that just flies around and chops up BA like a lawn mower?

>>96375331
Anon, the tank would get stuck in the mud or collapse a bridge if they made it too big. The last time anyone even made the idea for making a mech-sized tank it resulted in this bomber-bait.

>>96375361
If they can make an Atlas with the same density as a person, or whale (which would be capable of swimming), then it isn't hard to imagine that these uber armour strength styrofoam weight vehicles wouldn't have those same issues.

The materials science is Battletech is crazy advanced but they got poo brained computers that weigh many tons.

My head cannon is just that the mechs are very small and everyone is a miniature, so they don't weigh very much.

>>96375167
>I love how they show off how the mechs are basically land battleships.
He says of the short that shows Infantry BTFOing a Hunchback with Inferno SRMs...

>>96375545
Did it died?

>>96375032
Ah a fellow cangenner I see.

What are the rules for superheavy tanks? I remember at least one design.

Which introtech 4/6 assault has the most boss energy?

>>96375879
Introtech thug, probably. Past 80 tons, you don't really have tonnage after paying for an engine if you want to go 4/6.
A banshee could work, if it's facing lighter mechs.

>>96375879
>>96375897
Battlemaster.

>>96375545
The Hunchback is still operational

>>96375397
Nah, tanks are inherently heavy, you can’t make an drive shaft out of Myomer, and that turret system and tracks are always going to weight a lot.

>>96375944
What's funny is that mechs are also better at turrets since mech turrets don't get crit so easily. They count as a single crit slot inside the location they're mounted on. They are heavy though, weighing 10% of the weapons on them.
Alternatively you go the quirk route like the Sirocco, it's pretty much the opposite where they weigh nothing but do get crit very easily.

>>96373677
It's retarded sexualization and should be banned. Nobody would wear that to war. This is what a Mech pilot should look like. Totally protected, not sexualized, and not female.

>>96376045
I'm surprised they actually had art of this considering their antipathy for handheld weapons. Too bad the production version un-turrets the head-gun so it just points forward.

>>96376132
>I'm surprised they actually had art of this
That was in the XTRO era when new shit all got art, and they didn't rebundle NuSeen art in Recogs.

>>96376132
What are the benefits of having "light" handheld weapons?

>>96376131
>It's retarded sexualization and should be banned
Yes, Christmas should be the 14th of December, at the latest.

>>96376191
Nevermind, I found the rules. The Heavy weapons require the TSM to be active for the Quickdraw to actually use them. Light weapons don't. But it can hold the heavy weapons in its rear facing lift hoist regardless, so if you can't keep it hot, just swap over.

>>96376216
Did you also read the fluff about the gun caddy?

>>96376235
No, I'm just looking at Sarna and the RS PDF.

Can missile weapons "multilock" like Ace Combat missiles where the missiles can target multiple enemies at once and spreading out the missile payload?

>>96376310
Not for the same weapon, unless you use SWARM or SWARM-I ammo. With multiple launchers it's +2 for multi-target.

>>96376045
turrets really don't weigh that much and they completely remove any need to care about where you're facing if you have enough TMM.

1/10th of the weapon's weight is basically always .5 ~ 1 ton, unless you're trying to turret a gauss or an AC20 (which would be based).

>>96375701
taking potshots at HPG's with my AC2 because I'm pretty sure those comstar fellas are up to no good.

How is Mech 5 and MWO these days?
And which is the go 2 modlist for Mech 5?

>>96376131
this has to be the most low iq bait attempt ever, but then i remember that the critical role and nuGW faggotry annexed /tg/ in 2021

>>96376414
MW5 looking good with Shadow of Kerensky coming

>>96376414
https://youtu.be/9kAT4G-ngy0?si=UsXhMt0KT_VLo9wy
Getting the Atlas II

>>96375680
>>96375933
>The Hunchback is still operational
Only because the Atlas II didn't get it's ass out of the Bunker a minute earlier!

>>96376487
They should really beg MS to let them port MWO to consoles since Mercs and Clans lacks the PVP side and jump the timeline to 3152+.
After all, microsoft is probably giving Mechwarrior 2 and 3 to Nightdive seeing that Activision locked both games SRC deep into Iron Mountain.

>>96375042
So their only hope is what, lucky headshot?
>Treb and Commando being the MVP there

>>96376131
With all this junk on the base ejection roll target number would be 13.

>>96375042
The Death From In Front was incredibly funny.
It's technically a DFA...but Eques Lead was jumping to the guys Elevation instead of landing on him.

>>96375933
Only thanks to a rare 3041 Inner Sphere anti-personnel pod.

>>96375042
WTF is this thing?
It's like a Quickdraw but not a PGI or even CGL model?

>>96376787
It's a SLDF Quickdraw team TMC made.
https://www.nexusmods.com/mechwarrior5mercenaries/mods/1284

>>96374817
>waste

In lore it's said time and time again that ASFs are only slightly less prestigious than Mechs.

>>96376787
Its using the new art model and it is a SLDF Model
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Quickdraw

>>96375237
>having resources be plentiful and allowing factions to field ASF en masse

ASF factories were just as rare as Mech factories during the Succession Wars.

As for where all the ASFs came from considering how fragile they are...their fragility isn't part of lore. Herb added it because Mechs must be unambiguously the most powerful unit in the game, so it was necessary to gimp everything else.

I wonder sometimes, if there were fighter pilots among fans on the official forum like there were tankers and infantry, would ASFs have been gimped?

>>96376805
>>96376808
>would have helped if I read the comments
Not a big fan. It really looks like a kitbash of other designs and doesn't look too much like the CGL design to me honestly a part from a few features.

>>96376807
Without ASF to break the enemy aerospace dominance there is no invasion.

>>96376808
It's the version made by M42A, so is the Altlas II.

>>96376821
>I wonder sometimes, if there were fighter pilots among fans on the official forum like there were tankers and infantry, would ASFs have been gimped?
There were a few pilots who were fans but nobody I knew who used the forums. Even if there were I still think Herb was gonna Herb
ASF also really are gimped to fuck cause of what >>96376830 said. Hell one massive Aerospace battle would have stopped the Clan invasion in its tracks considering how trashy majority of Clan aerospace is to IS.

>>96376570
>Commando
Quickdraw.

>>96376673
>Only thanks to a rare 3041 Inner Sphere anti-personnel pod.
EXACTLY!

>>96376673
>>96376886
Part of me wants to say its a VGL which is around and can perform the same function as an A-Pod.
On the otherhand I doubt they thought of that.

>>96376824
That is because PGI uses the Iguana's art for Mechs

>>96376808
>>96376805
There was a SLDF Quickdraw variant?

>>96376916
Yeah, that would work. Also for the chaff from Episode 3.

>>96376673
Was the year specified somewhere?

>>96376916
what's vgl?

>>96376962
In the pilot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12o4B9z2bD8
>>96376968
Vehicular Grenade Launchers
One shot weapon for half a ton that deliver a payload up to 3 adjacent hexes of its firing arc.
For this time period you got frag which turns infantry into paste, smoke that gives you smoke cover, and incendiary which acts like an inferno SRM.

Think the video's based on the MW universe where everyone and their grandma got lostechs spammed all over their mech

>>96376968
It's these things, only instead of a handful, you've got dozens of them. Ruleswise it's a one-shot weapon that applies its affect to your three front hexes.

>>96376414
>this has to be the most low iq bait attempt ever

>>96376860
>how trashy majority of Clan aerospace is to IS.
Holy shit. I didn't think bait could actually get more retarded, but this is the most idiotic thing I've read across the entirety of the internet today. Clan ASFs worse than IS ASFs during the fucking invasion? You have to be taking the piss. Or you've got velcro shoe ties.

>>96376916
I would give it to them, but then I remember they also put UAVs in.

Damn, Ryana must have found anti-aging or rejuvernation lostech somewhere

>>96376673
Either way, those infantry are still dead. It took 3 convees and three squads of infantry, probably 30 men total…to not take down so much as a single mech.

>>96375042
Is the Inferno that much Super Effective?

>>96377075
The relative inferiority of Clanner ASF forces to IS is one of those weird lore things that was stated a couple times but never really supported. It was part of the idea of how the IS could defeat the Clans in asymmetric warfare, but given that Clantech OmniFighters are just as superior as OmniMechs, and Clan Pilots objectively have been reflexes and are better at taking Gs, it's kinda bullshit.

>>96377213
IS pilots runs on MADNESS
Clan Pilots have big head but small brains and probably speaks like the brazillian northeast state of ceara

>>96377217
come to brazil

>>96377217
>and probably speaks like the brazillian northeast state of ceara

Huh?

>>96377199
no, a mech can only go up by 15 heat from weapons fire per round, so it would take multiple rounds of fire while the mech was also making enough heat that it wasn't dissipating any.

also a single inferno SRM does 2 heat

so the hunchback would've bliped up like, 4 heat, taken a movement and shooting penalty for one round, and then would've killed all the infantry without taking any actual damage.

>>96377075
That's how I know you have never played Aerotech.
Unless its a Sulla, Turk or Visigoth then IS Aerospace doesn't have much to worry about. Majority of Clan Aerospace doesn't have fuel for starters to last long enough in a dogfight and considering that most Aerotech battles is resolved by who runs out of fuel first then that's a huge major problem.
Take an Avar for instance, 3 tons of fuel gives it just over 10 turns at overthrust? Compare that against a Sparrow Hawk which has 20 turns and you can get three of them for the price of one Avar? Even 1vs1 unless the Avar gets a good roll in then that Sparrow Hawk is going to making that Avar sweat as it counts its fuel levels.
Then there's a real problem that a lot of Clan configs are really overgunned and undersinked for what they are, some even lack ammo. Considering the heatscale is far less forgiving and its entirely possible to spin out of control and crash into something notable like a planet then yeah that makes a lot of theoretical firepower pointless.
>>96377213
Rules even state that IS and Clan pilots have exact same basic skill levels when rolling for pilots.

>>96375944
An empty 50 ton 4/6 fusion mech platform is only two tons lighter than a tracked conventional equivalent.

>>96377250
Inferno missiles are usually treated in lore as more threatening than regular SRMs.

I especially remember a thing from one of the 4th succession war atlases where a Davion officer in a marauder ejects and dies in an ambush from infantry in tall grass.

>>96377282
Nobody plays aerotech, this is a mech game, not Ace Combat

>>96377243
No, hã

>>96377309
You’re forgetting that the mech will be MUCH bigger than the tank though. Mechs are very light relative to their size.

>>96377313
Two of us did once, then never again as our lord and savior Herb forbade any further games!

>>96377310
They are to everything except for mechs and maybe ASF. iirc, they do 1d6 damage per missile to basically everything except BA, which they simply delete one by one as long as you can land more than two infernos on them per round.

>>96377320
All that size does for them is make them taller, which is a double edged sword. They're still carrying exactly the same guns and armor as the tank.

>>96375167
Hired steel takes a lot more inspiration from mechwarrior than battletech.

>>96377320
Not really, they're only a couple of meters taller than a tank is long.

>>96377339
Being taller is a good thing, it means there’s more room to carry guns and weapons and the enemy is less likely to hit something important. Plus mechs pretty much always carry more weaponry than convees, case in point, the tank and the catapult in that animation are the exact same weight, but because the tank is like 1/5th of the size of the mech it could only carry a single weak and inaccurate gun, while the mech carried two large racks of missiles.

>>96377370
Did you know there is an extensive set of rules that let you build your own vehicles in this setting? Lots of people find it very interesting, perhaps you will as well when you look into it at all.

>>96377370
>it means there’s more room to carry guns and weapons
There actually isn't.
>the enemy is less likely to hit something important
The overwhelming majority of vehicle crits are minor mobility penalties and failed crits.
>because the tank is like 1/5th of the size of the mech it could only carry a single weak and inaccurate gun, while the mech carried two large racks of missiles
There is no tank in that series equipped solely with a "weak and inaccurate gun".

>>96377243
think hillbilly language but with comparisons and even hillbillier with regional talk on top of it

>>96377436
You just saw an animation of a tank with a weak gun going up against mechs. The tank got taken out in a single hit, but none of the hits it landed on the mechs managed to seriously hurt them.

The low effort trolling in these threads is getting pretty tiresome

What were the most important planets to the Terran Hegemony (besides Terra and Dieron)?

>>96377354
That’s not saying much desu, lorewise battletech mechs are just as durable as mechwarrior mechs, but way faster. A lore accurate Hired Steel would’ve seen those convees never even landing a shot on the mechs.

>>96377576
>A lore accurate Hired Steel would’ve seen those convees never even landing a shot on the mechs
Incorrect.
Refer to
>>96364264

>>96377596
What is that, an image for ants?

>FLGS owner constantly brings up how you can use anything as a mini as long as it fits in the hex on the map and has a clear front facing
It's good that he's not GWpilled, but it's weird to hear from a guy with multiple shelves of forcepacks to move.

>>96377604
That's a 730x3781 image.

>>96377608
Not really. It's basically saying, "the first hit is free, kid." If you enjoy the game you're going to want some minis for it. All he's doing is a low pressure sales pitch.

>>96363307
Fun facts that tank weighs just as much as that mech

>>96377730
what model tank is it?

>>96377604
Phoneposters btfo

>>96377740
Apparently the vehicles are actually custom creations but the tank is most similar to the shape and size of a Patton.

>>96377769
It certainly looks more like custom variant of the 40 ton myrmidon based on it having a PPC, MG and what look like 2 small energy weapons it never uses for some reason.

>>96377782
That’s a PPC? Huh, thought they were supposed to hit harder than that

>>96377506
Right? It's the same shit day in and day out.

>>96377862
What did you think the lightning gun that literally uses a PPC sound effect was?

>>96377897
I don’t play the vidya, I don’t know what they sound like

>>96377903
What do you play?

>>96377938
Fortnite. Usually with the Sabrina Carpenter skin.

>>96377536
New Dallas was pretty important which is why it revolted and Amaris nuked it so hard.

Pretty sure Tikonov was also up there.

>>96372829
Is that floral design supposed to be a tattoo or image on the suit?

>>96377966
i thought tikonov was capellan

>>96378106
You're right, Tikonov is Capellan, I was thinking Northwind.

>>96377536
New Earth was a pretty big deal. And because it's right there next to Terra it didn't get fucked by the succ.

How was the FedSun able to kick the Capellan ass so hard in the 4th Succ War?
How far would they been able to go if the Comstar didn't pull the interdiction?

>>96376916
>>96376988
Thinking about it, it's bizarre that VGLs are uncommon or unpopular weapons. They're pretty cool. It's basically a free one off "fuck all those infantry' button, which probably isn't going to be needed repeatedly anyway. 90% of the time that you see one of those stories of plucky infantry confounding a mech, they could've just popped some frags and instantly turned them into jam.

>>96378164
Lyran industry supercharging them

>>96378164
Wasn't that the one where they pulled every last Jumpship they had and fucked their own economy? That'd do it, until the reality of having zero non-military FTL travel kicked in. Also the Capellans were the weakest great house by a wide margin until they Xin Shen ex Machina'd themselves by their bootstraps.

>>96378184
To be honest, they should have just deleted the Capellans at some point.

>>96378164
They started with getting a spy into the upper levels of the Maskirovka.
Then they memed a Capellan region into forming a breakaway state that declared "neutrality."
They psy-opped their own rebel on the Capellan March who had been taking bribes from Liao and used him to feed false info to CapCon.
They used the pretext of routine military exercises to lull the Cappies into getting used to big formations moving near their border.
The CapCon had a QRF strategy the Feddies overwhelmed with a multi-planet thrust.
Comstar couldn't leak intel to the Caps because of the Fed Suns magic fax machines.
The Chancellor was insane.
The Chancellor's only sane daughter was getting dicked by a Fed spy.
The Chancellor's other daughter was also bugnuts crazy.
The Feddies counted on the Commonwealth to cover their ass so they could go balks deep into Cappie space.
The Goons tied up the Dracs with their plot armor.
Hanse was the author's self insert.

>>96378235
All of this is true except the last one. You'd know that if you read the old Mike Stackpole in the 31st Century intros in the first editions.

>>96378184
>themselves
don't forget leeching off the FWL for years and then getting aid from WoB and the MoC's magic mech factories

>>96378235

When you look at it that way, it's actually pretty cool that the Capellans have been able to bounce back and even trounce the Suns.

>>96378259
I had the first editions, but I never bother to read author bios.

>>96378276
They're fun. It's the author literally self-inserting as a random dude who wakes up in the IS concurrently. In the BoK the last you hear of him is traveling to Clan space.

>>96378270
Just shows what a softhearted weenie VSD was. But apparently, that worked on all the bitches, including his Elemental bodyguard in the Jihad.

>>96378171
CGL has recently remembered they exist and started introduce variants that use these systems but they seem to only be Star League era. You got a Wyvern and a Shadow Hawk as far as I am aware with official variants that use them.

>>96378337
Mechwarrior Online got a ShadowHawk IIC after people begged for a while, now they need to reemember that the Devastator aka "warhammer but 100 tons and better" exists

>>96378337
The Perseus E has a couple. And comms gear. And VSPs. And an iOSSRM.
The Perseus is a weird chassis thanks to its ample tonnage and highly restrictive crits.

>>96378337
My pipe dream hope is that they'll have the IS come out with improved versions of some of these systems.

>>96378350
PGI have been recycling a lot of assets I noticed. I saw they did the Thor II and Gauntlet recently and they looked lazy as fuck.
>>96378353
I forgot about the Perseus, the mech that tries to load itself with every weapon system known to man whether it be practical or not. What a hilarious schizophrenic mech.
>>96378384
Mean considering its capabilities and what you can load in it essentially that's what the MML is for?

>>96378417
The Perseus suffers from using a lot of lightweight but bulky core components, so it has more free tons than any light mech weighs in total, but not nearly enough crit slots. You have to take extra heavy guns and play tetris with your crits or else you'll run out of places to put stuff.

>>96378572
THE GUN IS GOOD!

>>96364264
Eh, they're actually wrong about vehicles being archaic, most convees DO use worse equipment than mechs. Both because they just straight up have less equipment total, and because they have less armor total, and they also have no myomer, use turrets, and use ICE engines instead of fusion engines. They also completely lack legs and are reliant upon wheels or tracks typically.

>>96378585
THE PENIS IS EVIL!!!

>>96378612
>Voted most likely to die in the Scorpion's Nest

>>96378612
>most convees DO use worse equipment than mechs
Nope, same equipment.
>Both because they just straight up have less equipment total
Nope, some tanks have more stuff, some mechs have more stuff.
>and because they have less armor total
Nope, some tanks have more armor, some mechs have more armor.
>use turrets
Some mechs use turrets, arguably the most famous mech uses a turret. Turreted weapons are just better and slightly heavier than otherwise.
>and use ICE engines instead of fusion engines
Nope, some mechs use ICE, plenty of conventionals use fusion.

>>96378612
They literally use the same equipment. As much as some people would like Rifles to be a thing, they aren't really a thing outside of retrotech. If a tank has an AC/10, it's the same AC/10 as on a mech. You could salvage one to replace the other. Also they don't have a maximum armor factor and have less locations so they tend to have more armor, and they can use fusion engines if you want to spend that money.
Turrets would be good if they weren't arbitrarily broken so easily. They can choose any facing they please during the shooting phase, even if it's a full 180 from where they aimed last round. Mech turrets are great because they use the exact same rules except they don't have an easy crit roll to break them.

>>96378656
>some tanks have more stuff, some mechs have more stuff.
For the same weight class a mech will have more stuff.

>some tanks have more armor, some mechs have more armor.
Mech armor is more efficient however.

>Some mechs use turrets
But fewer of them do.

>Nope, some mechs use ICE, plenty of conventionals use fusion.
Most convees don't though, and most mechs do.

99 times out of 100 the convee your mech is going up against is worse, and the few times it's better the tank is going to be a lumbering beast with little in the way of tactical flexibility.

>>96378746
>Mech armor is more efficient however
They both get 16 points to the ton and the vees have less locations to spread it around and no maximum.

>>96378746
>For the same weight class a mech will have more stuff.
No, this is dependent on engine rating.
>Mech armor is more efficient however.
No, it is exactly the same, standard armor is standard armor.

>>96378755
Precisely. You want your armor to be more spread around because a TAC doesn't care and a mobility crit likewise doesn't care. The only protection you have is redundancy, which mechs have in spades and convees don't have. Hence why you see convees getting taken out in one shot while mechs can take several barrages without a scratch.

>>96378771
>Hence why you see convees getting taken out in one shot
No? Conventional vehicles are pretty durable, it's rare that they ever get instantly killed by TACs.
>mechs can take several barrages without a scratch
That's not how armor in BT works.

>>96378796
>No?
Literally happens 3 times in Hired Steel to each convee that shows up.

>>96378771
That's not armor efficiency. It's literally the opposite, in fact.
We need better bait in here.

>>96378806
That's not even true for what happens in that already inaccurate series.

>>96378819
Let's see, the IFV? Taken out in one hit. The hovercraft? Taken out in one punch. The tank? Completely disabled mobility-wise in one hit, then stepped on.

>>96378827
>Completely disabled mobility-wise in one hit, then stepped on
So not taken out in one shot huh.

>>96378837
Nope, just left useless and helpless.

>>96378838
>useless and helpless
Guns still worked so wrong on that point too.

>>96378846
The guns that didn't have the firing angle to actually shoot at the mechs? Ah yes, very useful.

>>96378850
But it was shooting at them? Right up to the moment it was destroyed?

>>96378806
Fanfiction doesn't count

>>96378853
....with the fucking machine gun that did no damage, yes.

>>96378873
>machine gun that did no damage
Not how armor in BT works.

>>96378860
Okay fine, but either way convees objectively have more primitive technology in the form of wheels and tracks and sometimes hoverfans.

Hey CGL, make trucker hats with in-unverse company logos. I would buy a Quikscell, Pitban, StarCorps, LAW, and/or IrTech hat.

>>96378915
they'd need to hire a graphic designer to do some work on the logos...

>>96378915
>>96378938
As an Asian, I find this logo insulting. Seriously, there are million other cooler font and they used what we find almost comic sans equivalent one for this

>>96379564
Since you're Asian, nobody cares about your opinion. Come back when you live in a society that rejects mindless collectivism and actually practices fair and just Democracy.

>>96376916
No, they don't know what a VGL is.

>>96379637
Like half of the shit on this hunchback doesn't get invented for another 20 years.

>>96379698
It's okay, it's a special mech they got from NAIS. As random mercs do.

>>96379637
Do you have specs for the other mech?

>>96379698
Lol, weapon introductions no longer exist.

>snppcs in the succession wars intensifies, after all they were mentioned once off-hand in the star league book

>>96379766
>one of the heaviest mechs that could be produced at the time
How does this work when it's only two thirds the weight of the mackie that everyone produced and was also predated by like 8 other mechs significantly heavier than itself.

>>96379844
You have late stage boomerism. It's terminal, I'm afraid.

>>96379850
That is the old lore when 100 tons mechs did not exist in the game yet. Retcons are fun.

I'm more interested in the idea of the quickdraw as a rifleman replacement, which implies some kind of bad heavy mech quota unconcerned with battlefield role.

>>96379913

Replacement rate is what's important to the SLDF procurement department.

>>96378417
>PGI have been recycling a lot of assets I noticed
That’s because it’s like one dude that’s working MWO, the game doesn’t make enough money for them to want to invest anything in it and they just keep the lights on as courtesy to the fans.

>>96376947
There wasn't an SLDF or SLDF Royal variant since they were made far too late for the SLDF to even consider the mech for deployment

>>96379637
>>96379760
>>96379780
>>96379787
>>96379790
Does the "S" in HS stand for Snowflake?

>>96379871
Not retcons, more like iffy fact checking/direction. The Mackie was established as the first battlemech and fully statted at 100 tons all the way back in Tales of The Black Widow which predates other mechs getting fluff in TRO 3025. But some entries in both TRO 3025 and 2750 put forth the general idea that mechs started light and progressively got heavier, which even ignoring the Mackie at time contradicts the fluff for other mechs in those same books.

>>96380262
I'll try to fix it: the original Primitive Mackie was 100 tons, but then the next generation of more advanced Mechs started lighter and slowly progressed, allowing for this kind the Orion being the first "true Heavy" actually mattering.

>>96379766
that's not it. the hired steel use mwo mechs. so their thunderbolt is all fucked up.

>>96380251
Apparently. What year was this supposed to be?

>>96380101
They should port the damn thing to consoles already since it works with controls out of box

>>96376787
It's a Gundam!

No, but seriously, I get the feeling they watched Requiem For Vengeance before they made part 4.

>>96380251
"H"ired "S"teel...

>>96379913
The idea wasn't to have the same role as the Rifleman, but rather the opposite. The Rifleman was originally designed as an anti-aircraft platform at a time when mechs were still rare, whereas the Quickdraw was meant to be a duelist for mech-on-mech engagements as mechs proliferated.

>>96381135
I thought the quickdraw was just supposed to be a generalist fast heavy.

Anyone playing battletech this weekend?

>>96380515
3041

Someone make a new thread.

>>96381312

No. BattleTech is too slow and nobody plays it. Only Alpha Strike has a future.

>>96381383
Kinda really hate this layout.

>>96381411
A pattern like that usually indicates rolled maps.

>>96381440

I'm on sabbatical. New GM taking over for a contract (4-6 months). Haven't had a break since 2017.

>>96381473
I need to give my GM that kind of break. He's been on a similar run since 2021. Enjoy being a player for a bit!

>>96381111
They're Hired Snowflakes now mister quads.

>>96381558
Well how else would you describe Protagonist Mercenary "Your Dudes"?

>>96381573
Hired Slop?

>>96381573
I dunno. My lads respect intro dates.

I'm actually probably not going to field the Grasshopper pre-CI; having all the record sheets in front of me was an eye opener when I was fielding mostly Succ Wars in the lance and jumpy over here could have just crossed out his entire heat scale.

>>96381312
Group is doing a Battle of Northwind(3150) thing on Monday, everyone picks Capellans, Kuritans, or Republic to rep and fights individual lance sized battles. Side with the most wins takes the planet. Naturally I'm repping House Kurita

>>96378164
>No Star Wars Armada
>No Star Wars Legion
>No Star Wars X-Wing
Still a little bitter about those games being murdered.
Anyway, CGL has put more effort into this 1 terrible idea than they ever have into actual proper Battletech. Why couldn't they just put this kind of effort into Battletech?

>>96382141
Too many things they can't change. Now they finally can write stories about steiner wolf-women.

>>96382141
If you want a fleet game to replace Armada, CGL has an option...

>>96382301
>If you want a fleet game to replace Armada,
I don't.
>CGL has an option...
They really don't.
I just played in and won an Armada tournament last week. Games don't die just because their developers murder them.

>>96380677
>>96380677
Porting to console takes a lot of work and specialized knowledge. There's a reason that it's often outsourced.

Kentares was an act of self defense.

this mech always struck me as exceptionally derpy. but it seems like an fantastic trooper to me- better on paper than a vindi or enforcer?

>>96378746
Vehicles don't need to add heat sinks for ballistic and missile weapons. How many mechs carry 60 SRM tubes compared to a SRM carrier?

>>96382486
... Are you sure? I was pretty sure that vehicles needed to sink all weapon fire every turn?

>>96382503
They only need to fully sink energy weapons (which gets heavy very quickly for ICE units since they need to install power amplifiers and start with zero heat sinks). They do not need to sink ballistic or missile weapons. Adding a PPC to an ICE vehicle is an 18 ton investment.

>>96382528
ah, thanks. been quite a while since I looked at the construction rules for vees. not something I was ever too familiar with.

>>96382486
And ballistic and missile weapons are more primitive compared to energy weapons

>>96373781
Holy pearl clutching neck beards lmao

>>96381861
Eh, I usually let my group decide, I generally prep for Introtech and only deviate for a particular toy (Rotory Autocannons, MMLs, Shields, Partial Wings).

>>96381879
Played a round of High Risk Extraction today.
Fairly good, only issue was my heaviest Mech took far to much LRM 20 than what was healthy, leaving him hurting when a Marauder closed in with it's ER PPCs.

>>96382193
>Now they finally can write stories about steiner wolf-women.
I mean yeah, Continuum allows room for things like "No Clan Tech" and other such set-up that'd be hard to fit in the one Cannon Timeline.

>>96382640
Incorrect, standard small and medium lasers predate SRMs, LRMs and most basic autocannons. It's standard lasers that are comparatively "primitive".

>>96382640
>Gauss rifles in your path.

>>96377250
That Hunchback lost at least its LA, maybe even the LT. Hard to depict the loss of a LT or RT in something like that. If it did lose it's LT though, well, it's a Hunchback. That's where it keeps all of its Heatsinks. It was probably already running a little hot.

>>96383206
There was a 'heatsink destroyed' warning from the Bitching Betty so it went internal.

>>96377596
Yeah, except you need to remember that bit of vehicle text is in-universe and being taught. They reference the well know Savannah vs. Locust incident that saw the Savannah get the win. This is to emphasize to the Mechwarrior that they're not invincible. We should however, take a moment to consider why that battle is so important.
A vehicle beat a mech that weighs 4 times as much. That is what is presented. The mech is not invincible. This is true, but that doesn't mean the vehicle is superior. The Savannah incident is notable precisely because it's the one time the vehicle came out on top. A Scorpion Light Tank weighs 25 tons. In theory, in can take out an Atlas which also weighs 4 times as much. In the tabletop, we can even confirm this as possible. The SLT fires it's AC/5, hits the head for a crit, and destroys the cockpit. Instant win! The battle of the SLT defeating the Atlas would be a legendary tale told all over! It would be told precisely because it is so rare. The 1,000 other times in which the Atlas destroys the SLT with just a minor dent in the armor, get ignored.
The Battlemech is still very much the superior of the tank.

Looks like we broke the rules again.

>>96383472
you landed a dropship without a license?

>>96383472
did that tiny ultra light skimmer just ram a dropship to death?

>>96383272
>The battle of the SLT defeating the Atlas would be a legendary tale told all over!
Again, Scorpion's Nest...

>>96383472
Sir, Battletech is a game of mech combat. I demand that you remove that Aero fighter from the game and cease the use of all aero units henceforth.

>>96383272
It should be noted that in universe, the Savannah Master fight was marketing for the Savannah Master's manufacturer and is widely speculated if not directly confirmed to have been an intentional dive by the Locust pilot.

>>96383687
Do you have a single fact to back that claim?

>>96383818
Savanah Masters are good but they aren't win a 1v1 with a locust 17 times in a row good. Also it's a hell of a coincidence that the mechwarrior's name was Savannah. What if it had been Melissa?

>>96383918
It's not a coincidence, they named it that because it beat mechwarrior Savannah. It would be called the Melissa Master if she had been named that.

>>96383938
You think the LCAF in 3025 would be comfortable taking delivery of the Teenage Princess Dominator?

It seems the Horned Owls are too big for BT count-as. Shame

>>96384183
Atlas?

I'm painting some Capellans. Primary color is light green. I don't know what to use for the secondary color. Obviously it needs to go well with green, but what's a Capellan color otherwise?

>>96383635
That scenario has the vehicles outnumbering the mechs and the advantage of an ambush scenario. Totally different from what I was describing.
>>96383687
No shit? Never heard that before.
>>96383918
>...win a 1v1 with a locust 17 times in a row...
Okay, now hold on. I never heard this part of the story before. I thought it was a 1 off.

>>96384272
8/8 locust pilot on a giant expanse of pavement.

>>96383918
Just read the small bit of info there is on Sarna about it. Yeah, 17 times, with the final one being actual combat that triggered an ammo explosion, which should have never been on the mech for a training exercise at all. Very interesting.

>>96384371
What if savannah was just a horrible pilot.
Like "we trained her wrong, as a joke" horrible.
Like 10 gunnery horrible.

We need a new thread.

>>96383272
The point of the lecture is to highlight that modern conventional vehicles are not simply primitive, useless machines that serve only to be target practice.
It's not that conventional vehicles are superior or even equal to battlemechs, it's that conventional vehicles use the same weapons and armor as a battlemech, they're crewed by humans with training and intent to kill, and that a bad mechwarrior that does not properly respect those opponents will fail to use the strengths of their moderately superior machine and lose.
It's basically trying to teach the most misled mechwarriors "ignoring the demolisher and standing right next to it because you think it's defenseless cannon fodder is going to get you killed, you're not going to be able to just sweep it away with a single small laser shot, an AC/20 is an AC/20, be a little smarter than that".

>>96384529
I am aware of all of that.
>>96384418
The Sarna bio on her says that she was an experienced pilot with multiple confirmed kills at the time of the test. That's at least a 4/5 minimum with 3/4 more likely. Really is starting to look like the whole thing was a setup.

>>96384625
The test also says that the hover pilot drove between the legs of the locust, and then kept going, spun around, and shot the locust in the back, which is physically impossible. When you enter a hex containing enemy unit, your movement automatically ends. So the whole thing is just a non-canon story told to attack a Mechwarrior who did nothing wrong.