Thread 96456189

Feed me loyalists Edition

Previous thread: >>96446708

>Legacies:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:
https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N

>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics

『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

>Thread Question:
Should dreadnoughts get prime bonuses?

>Gravis autocannons have 3 shots, 4 when stationary
>Boxnought with 2 gravis autocannons is only 135 points
Looks like rifleman dreads are back in style.

Think we're ever getting an Arlatax model? The design already exists in tiny form, but the rules for it are in Legacies
>>96456300
Boxnaughts just look like a better alternative to other dreads in general this edition, especially if you have a relevant legion trait like RG or IH

Too much to deal with, or an acceptable list?

>>96456407
All the other dreads still have their roles I think. Either more durable, faster, or with useful weapon options the boxnought can't have.

>>96456449
insufficient Dracosans

>>96456449
If anyone has trouble with that list they're a whiny marine fag

>>96456507
>a whiny marine fag
But that's all of them

It's well established that the emperor and alter how other people perceive him. I think in 40k, he's actually still alive and hale, but he's been too busy shiny hunting pokemon in gen 3 to give a shit about the empire.

>>96456551
Twitter must not have existed in the warhammer 40k setting. You only need to browse that cesspool once to realise humanity is not worth saving.

What does barrage 0 mean on the heavy quad launcher, it isn't a blast weapon.

>>96455022
From a stylistic standpoint the leagues aren't even cohesive aesthetically, either.

>>96456603
You get to pick targets without having LoS to them, the number after the Barrage rule only ever applies if your weapon also has Blast, and has to scatter if you're picking a target out of LoS.
tl;dr an indirect fire rule without making a new rule for it.

What is the consensus on 3.0 Militia?

>>96456718
Great if you want to blast people with 20 different types of artillery.

>>96456718
MEH

>>96456492
>>96456507
SO what you're saying is that I should be a bigger dick?

>>96456300
Oh no. Not less dakka than autocannon hss. Please spare us.

>>96456449
Looks sick. 3000?

>>96456853
>135 points unit has less dakka than 300 points units
I'd fucking hope so.

Sons of Horus forgelord Ebblin Gaher of the 888th company

>>96456957
...Sons of Horus? You sure about that?

>>96456966
I don't see any other IH icons on him, might change the head though

>>96456966
more conversion work than you've ever done in your life, bucko

>>96456957
I thought only IH characters could have grav pistols

>>96457077
really? fuck I guess I'll change that

also here's the guy next to my previous attempt

>>96457104
Yeah I'm pretty sure they're IH only, can't even find a grav pistol weapon profile in my liber hereticus.

I'd really like GW to pull their finger from their ass and make a grav weapon sprue like the Disintegrator one so grav weapons can be a normal thing.

>>96457345
Plastic breacher kit is bound to have graviton guns in it

>>96456718
Sick as hell. Great way to port whatever models you want. Big aura. Truly free of the "is this a good list?" and fully embraces "I am grossly incandescent, deal with it."

I can't decide on how to paint my ligma auxilia minis, any advice from those that already did?
>sprayed the infantry portion of one of the runners with wraith bone
>painted most of the mini over with striking scorpion green contrast
>left the rifles unpainted, I want to paint them and the helmets plus elements of the armor with retributor gold and then shade them with nuln oil
>aiming for green suits with bronze/gold armor and guns
But now I'm considering if I should've done this the other way, just spray them with a gold base and just add some green base on the suits and then run everything over with a shade?

>>96457354
Yes but also there should be grav pistols, combi-grav and at least 2 other unspecified grav weapons that haven't been invented yet.

>>96457410
>ultraman

>>96457449
Looks more like
>ULTRamar

>>96457410
Contrast will be tinted by whatever is under it, so the green over gold will look different (shiny metallic) than over white. Try it and see if you like it, but don't expect it to be the same

>>96457538
The contrast goes over wraithbone. In the gold spray version I'm going to use a green base over it.

>But now I'm considering if I should've done this the other way, just spray them with a gold base and just add some green base on the suits and then run everything over with a shade?
>just spray them with a gold base and just add some green base on the suits

Reminder that it is your duty to kill any 10th edition players you see. Shoot up your local 10th edition tournament. It's time to win the war against 40k.

>>96456914
Fr, what did they expect with that post?

damn gurl why u (Clade Vanus Assassin) so thicc

>>96456407
>but the rules for it are in Legacies
isn't everything they're currently not making models for in legacies? tarantulas were in legacies last edition, I wouldn't put too much stock in the legacies divide meaning anything for future releases

>>96457720
Truly

>>96457943
the stupid asuka knight rules convinced me to convert it into a dumb anime pilot. Just need a suitably weeb head

>>96457967
What asuka rule?

>>96457410
I think that the most effective way is picking a main color that you apply with a can, airbrush or brush. Then you wash or ink it before blocking in things such as weapons, cables and other things etc.

Or you can be fucking retarded like me.

>>96457832
Their explanation of legacies is the same as last edition and is basically nonsense. The arlatax didnt have a model and the, acruitor magisterium and secutarii axiarch didn't have models until the very end of the edition, there literally is not a currently for sale magos model, just the archmagos which they proxy as a magos in the fucking core rulebook with an illegal wargear loadout even though the model is totally monobuild with zero options, but yet magi have wargear options in their datasheet, but get no wargear in legacies.

Legacies are whatever the fuck, not anything in particular.

I've just realized that any army for 375 points can take archmagos draykavac and an Archmagos archimandrite with chastise the machine spirit, theurgica maxima, and a cyber familiar, with then allows the generic archmagos to chastise two units within 18" every movement phase using draykavac's int as a baseline for being command, giving an effective 10 int, 9 int if they're out of LOS (because cybertheurgies can do that) cast to automatically pin two units and prevent them from trying to move off objectives to avoid vanguard. I would never do this normally because I think it's cheesy even if perfectly legal, but I will have it in my back pocket in case people keep trying to pull fuckery. I only pray that you do not combine this justaerin, for some horrors were simply not meant for this world to witness.

>>96458188
Yeah there's even entirely new units (veteran breachers) and weapon options (heavy disintegrators) in the legacies rules. Not that I'm complaining or anything, but it does feel a little random.

Painting checkers is a bitch, but it does look sweet if it's successful. What's everybody working on?

>>96458343
Forgot to take pictures yesterday, but I'm slowly working through building despoilers for my word bearers. 15 down, 25 to go.

>>96458343
finishing my paladin and my pretor. Checkers very nice:thumbs up:

>>96458355
Oh, but I do have pictures of the krios i built this weekend, which is the last one I had to build. Just 1 thanatar...and 18 ursarax and 6 thallax that I'm definitely not putting off...to go

Anyone tested out how fun it is to use a kretos or one of those almost super heavy tanks based on spartans like the cerberus?

>>96458343
A lazy militia scheme because I can't be assed to paint like 250 models for a side project to a real standard

>>96458260
The thing that is annoying is that they give a very specific reason for things being a certain way and the way things are doesn't reflect that reason. Anyone can spot that its wrong and its just kind of annoying

>>96457832
What I meant was, what happens if they releasea new arlatax model next month. Do they just say "keeo using the legacies profile"? Do tjey include a new pdf profile with the model and update legacids to remove the old one? Seems like they'd try to avoid this kind of situation

>>96458194
Doesn't seem cheesy to me? It's the way the power was designed to work

>>96458343
That's awesome, is he a DA?

>>96458633
Probably what they did with the Dark Mech stuff where it was removed from the mission pdf and added to a book

>>96458343
Finally decided to go with Iron Warriors as my legion. Building tacticals, then a squad of despoilers.

>>96458660
Yes

>>96458680
Consider waiting for the breacher kit instead of building despoilers

>>96458708
I will do both, but I actually bought some shields and guns off etsy to turn some guys into a squad of veteran breachers.

>>96458586
Good job, dude, your image made me pop a boner in public.

>>96456718
I can now add more dumb ideas to my old, and now non-existing Penal Cohort. 10/10.

Any way to raise the WS of a unit in 3.0? Or make it more deadly in Melee? I know of the Librarian with Biomancy combo to grant them +2 S and T but would love to find a way to buff my Veteran Breachers even further. Thanks!

>>96459446
WS 6 is not even going to matter unless you are fighting another WS5 unit

>>96459446
Master sergeant

>>96459500
Doesn't that allow me to hit a WS on a 2+ and defend on a 6+ against a WS4 unit?

>>96459385
based

>>96459544
negative

>>96459385
oh hey I had this exact idea for my necromunda gang!

>>96459544
No, it makes no difference against WS4

>>96459446

The Dark Mechanicum can buff any Malefic unit with Guide for +1WS/BS, but if you do that you need to make sure every single unit you're planning to buff are Prime True Believers, which is exorbitantly expensive and usually denies attached characters and transports. It's almost always going to be better to just get more WS5 attacks, the only places I think that's worth it is if you already have a Malefic squad (Gal Vorbak, presumably Daemons) or if you're trying to enable Crit 6+ on a juicy ranged unit by pushing them to BS6. Planning to try that on AL Headhunters, because that many critting/breaching shots can kill Primarchs.

>>96459544

No, you need double your opponent's weapon skill to go to 2+/6+. Good thing too, being on the wrong side of a WS gap is already painful enough.

your other option is to play WE and chain bond 2 characters in the unit for +1 to hit on both of them

>>96459560
>>96459560
I legit am blind and retarded then. I swore it made a difference.

Thanks lads. Guess I'll just stick with a Librarian to drop my Breachers with a Caestus.

>>96459446
Night Lords get +1 WS if they're in combat with a unit that has a status effect on them.

>>96456718
They're playable this edition which is a huge improvement lmao

>>96457683
Not your personal Luigi.

>>96459366
Bruh

The Night Chuddies

>>96458194
It seems like they've decided to make mechanicum be vampire counts so lean into doing gay super wizard shit or perish i guess.

What the FUCK are these melee weapon prices. All I wanted are some bolt pistols.

>>96457683
My only duty is what I flush down the toilet

>>96459952
>No right handed pistols
Shit like this is why a small 3D printed is starting to feel like mandatory, even if just for weapon bits.

>>96460002
Ngl having a friend that prints is a godsend.

>>96459952
I thought you wanted the truth?

>>96459952
Imagine if they had split the kit in two, one for melee weapons and the other for pistols. For both hands. 10 left hand chainswords, 10 right hand chainswords, and all the other weapons is left-right pairs. Then you make a pistol kit with 10 left hand bolt pistols, 10 right hand bolt pistols, and pairs of all the other pistol variants. Imagine the possibilities for conversions and posing! Can't have that.

How are you running your siege tarts? Plasma? Autocannons? something else? Do you keep the stock power weapons or upgrade?

>>96459831
Nice and rapeable

Thinking of making 6 suicide saturnine with double disintegrators, just for fun. Given that I have to take an extra shock assault detachment for them anyway, would it be better to have 2 units of 3 or 1 unit of 3?

>>96460141
1 unit of 3 would be better because you're taking less of the bad thing, what kind of question is that?

>>96460117
1 autocannons for every 4 plasma blasters.
Or I would if I could get the bits.

>>96460117
I heard Autocannons > Plasma Blasters. I heard Anything > Plasma, really.

>>96459952
should be easy to find someone and split the kit. I don't want ANY bolt pistols but I want all the melee weapons, I'd love to pay $20 for the melee weapons and give someone else all 20 pistols, 2 bolters, all 10 heads and half the arms and hands for $20.

>>96460148
Meant 1 unit of 6
>1 unit of 3 would be better because you're taking less of the bad thing,
Anon I'm taking 18 saturnine, 10 indomitus, 5 heavy flamer tartaros siege, and a tartaros command squad what in God's name made you think I was going for the most optimal choices

>>96460117
one of my friends runs his sallamander termis with heavy flamers and I thought it was a novel idea
then I remembered I can take contekar which are just better

>>96460152
Why that split?
>>96460156
Autocannons have more shots if you stay still. but plasma has higher str and a better breaching if you overcharge. When moving both have the same number of shots. the difference doesn't seem as clear cut. Overloaded Plasma has double the chances of breaching, but takes double the shots to kill terminators

>>96460148
>Bro too afraid to commit to a bad decision
Pussy.

>>96460156
>>96460185
Plasma blasters aren't heavy and terminators have implacable advance, so the plasma blasters shoot twice when the termies charge.

>>96460183
contekar arent better than salamander termies, they're both B or B+ tier

>>96460156
plasma is literally only viable for thousand sons, where it is overpowered. It should have been Breaching4+ like Kraken Bolters, with appropriate points cost. Then it'd be useless vs vehicles and swarms but great against heavy infantry, which is literally plasma's entire purpose in lore.

>>96459952
mfw this cost me $11 from the recaster, and they have significantly more bits in the box.

Stay losing GW man/

>>96460276
>have option to duplicate any parts of the kit you want
>don't get rid of dogshit phobos and umbra pistols or volkite and plasma and get 20 tigrus bolt pistols instead
Why are you a faggot?

>>96460183
I need to look at what I should change for my night lords this ed. I probably should invest in something like a chain fist Atramentar squad or a flamer support squad but I’m really tempted to find some stupid new way to use the flying couch to cause statuses

>>96460316
>being a tasteless loser than uses mono type gear
>Doesn't use pistol upgrades because they're not optimal gamer choices
Go home, hank.

>>96459952
say it properly

>What the Jesus Murphy are these melee weapon prices aboot eh. All I wanted are some hoser pistols.

>>96460321
chainfist atramentar are a horrible idea
Goes from 2 attacks to 1 attack and loses prime advantage.

Chainfists are only possible on stuff with 3-5 attacks so the penalty goes away. A Chosen cata champ hits as many times with cfist as 3 chainfist atramentars. The atramentar +1 initiative when charging is also pointless as you should have a status on any unit nightlord terminators will fight (and any status make enemies initiative 1, so your squad's thunderhammers are already initiative 2 even without wasting the prime advantage). Making a squad atramenatar also means a weak champ, making the chosen champ a Master Sergeant suddenly he's WS7 against a status enemy and with 5 attacks (4 with chainfist). As a night lord, you can't even say cfist guy is useless because he'll be dueled - he might win duel with WS7 vs 4-6, but you can simply tag in a regular sacrificial terminator into the duel to strike first against the enemy thunderhammer thing and possibly kill him, leaving you to floor 2-3 terminators with your safe chainfist champ who can't be challenged.

>>96460526
I imagine you always stick your choppy HQ in this squad, and that handles challenges. How's Sevatar this edition, is he still top 3 challenge rapists?

>>96460562
Seems pretty good. 1/3rd chance for 5+ FNP which is amazing, no real penalty at all (5-6 he gets FNP, 1 he loses Command and becomes Specialist - basically no penatly at all and no more self-damage)

It lasts a turn so you can choose whether you're gonna go fight a weak unit if your FNP isn't active or if he's gonna go murder the enemy's Praetor HQ when FNP pops off. 4 wounds instead of 3 base, and when FNP it's 6 wounds to kill him. (someone like Lucius has just 3 wounds)

Initiative 6 means basically auto-go first and +1 attack against hammer fighters. With 6 attacks he should get one crit every fight which is AP2 Dmg3 (crit+shred) so that crit alone has a 50% chance of insta-gibbing your average 3w 4++ char. Non-crits still shred on 5+ for Dmg2 which is better than most character's speedy weaponry.

WS8 against a status enemy is the other real biggie. Even Kharn is just WS7.

If Sevatar has a status on enemy and FNP hacks active, he's almost certainly the best non-primarch in the entire game, with S-tier offense S-tier speed and S-tier defense at same time. If it's not active, he's just very good.

>>96460668
* oh, and Precision4+, so when he's not dueling and he rolls those 6s for dmg3 he can choose to just pop all the apothecaries and expensive HQs trying to hide in the enemy unit, or pick the specific people without an invuln save and auto-kill them. It's very flexible as a NL since you can choose to sub someone else into the duel any time you aren't interested in the duel.

>>96460210
how are contekar not just better than siege terminators with heavy flamers?

>>96460668
* oh and Fear2 which means Sevatar is scarier than Horus Ascended standing on the bridge of the Vengeful Spirit beating up the Emperor of Mankind (fear1)

Now that you're allowed to shoot a different unit from the one you charge, that means sevatar's squad could Route a 2nd squad with Panic(2)+Fear(2) heavy flamer, charge the 1st squad and have some other unit in his army suppression or whatever the 1st squad for the +1WS thing.

>>96460702
how are they better? You have yet to actually say a single word.

>>96460735
do you want me to spoon feed you?
read your own rules, nimrod (derogative)

>>96460745
I want you to quit being too retarded to speak and yet still sharing your retarded empty posts to waste space in this thread. Ideally you'd also jump off a bridge but the world isn't so convenient.

>>96460758
deepstrike off a chair while rimming a volkite charger

>>96460762
It's always funny retarded children just repeat the exact same words you already told them. Not enough creativity to ever do anything new, just the IQ of a parrot.

>>96460771
It's amusing how some kids just echo back the same words you say. They lack the originality to come up with anything new, like a parrot with a limited vocabulary.

>>96458343
Where’s his truck nuts?

>>96460210
Can you back up why a unit with native fear(1), deep strike, WS6 and more attacks is worse?

>>96460784
Behind the cingulum militare, of course.

>>96460771
bro do you think (You) came up with "kill yourself"?

>>96460491
I’m glad I’m not the only one to notice that poor bastard is Canadian too. I got mine for $40 some at FLGS but still feel a bit over the barrel…can only do 15 Despoilers cause i have extra chainswords lying around. Wish it gave more spears too, fuck

Brainstorming how I want to put together and fluff out my Blood Angels force since I'm getting back into the hobby. Looking for advice and criticisms if anyone can spare either:

Fluff:
>Force made up of the survivors of shattered companies, crushing defeats, and outcasts of the IXth legion.
>On a crusade of vengeance against deceitful traitors and penitence for failures real and imagined.
>Self-appointed task to preserve the legion long-term by recovering lost gene-seed and captured/MIA legionaires.
>Allowed by Sanguinius as much out of pity for these flagellant sons as was the necessity of the task.
>Even returning to the practice of consuming the dead to preserve the experience and traditions of the legions
>Known for brutal lighting strikes bearing the most terrible weaponry they can muster: Phosphex, Volkite, Rad Weapons, and Disintegrators on top of savage melee combat. This either functions as a brutal hammerblow to enemy forces, or a distraction to provide cover for a surgical strike, such as assassinating a Traitor commander or recovering geneseed.

Modelling/painting:
>Mostly Mk.V, the only squads that will be comprised of single armor Marks will be stuff like Terminators
>Lots of weathering and battle damage
>Greenstuff for bonding studs to other marks to represent field repairs
> Lots of color variations: Different tones/combinations of red/black/gold, a few wearing the grey of Revenant Legion, only unified by the Legion's Insignia on their pauldrons
>as above, Blood Angel's signature melee focus seasoned with lots of Phosphex, Volkite, Rad Weapons, and Disintegrators. Plus any pinning, suppressive, panic, or poison weapons. Though never so much that it's unfun to play against.

I do wonder how extensive blighs notes were for future black books

>>96460316
the tigrus pattern are the ugliest bolt pistols though? it's umbra>phobos>tigrus, objectively

how is alpha legion looking this edition? no previous knowledge of what they were like in 2.0

>>96458343
I need to paint this for a 1.5k each double event.... but all i want to do it paint my new BA and WS instead.

>>96461072
Last I checked, at the top of the strength charts lmao

>>96461072
They have a great trait, an excellent detachment, pretty good terminators, and some quirky unique units. I'd say they're definitely tier 1

Which would be THE tomboy legion?

>>96456189 (OP)
Pubes status on your current favorite character?

>>96461337
Space Wolves for sure. But Alpha Legion are the Reverse Trap legion

>>96461337
SOH are be the superior sukeban legion

These have no business being only 16USD. For that little I am almost willing to spent way too long gussing up. I have a mental image of militia and tanks sprinting into the enemy front line just to get blasted.

>>96461604
whoops wrong file, this one is bigger

>>96459952
having this issue but with the special weapons. I just want the flamers and the Gatling guns.

>>96461604
>>96461615
Might as well place green plastic army men on the table if you're going for that level of detail

>>96460276
any way you could point me in the direction of your source?

>>96461604
>>96461615
At that point just 3d print some alternative leman russ, i think someone makes a Sherman Russ that or just look at any GrimPrint tank

>>96461604
>>96461615
Just browsing etsy: for that price you can get much nicer 3d printed tanks (or just buy a printer you pleb).

>>96461632
seconded

>>96461632
Invite only sorry, its had issues in the past getting shutdown when too many people came in.

Just gotta move to countries that have extra retarded GW prices - you'll have much higher odds of anyone in the community already being in recast groups

>>96461513
entire genital region obliterated by previously unknown xenos weapon

>>96461885
Not many Kor Phaeron fans around

>>96461072
This too is a lie.

>>96461072
>95 pt Saboteurs could blow up 400 pt Spartans, and weren't locked to a shotgun
>Exodus could engage units during deployment
>Headhunters did 3A on the charge, instead of 1 like now
>Units could infiltrate with their dedicated transports. Even Land Raiders, or Multi-melta Rhinos
>Dynat could Scout, Outflank or Infiltrate 3 infantry units, including terminators (in LR DTs)
The Alpha Legion was OP. We just never told you. It's called "keeping a fucking secret", you know? You saw it, and didn't notice.

>>96461284
A drawing cannot do these things to me

>>96462045
Anon what secret, literally everyone knew raven guard and alpha legion were the actual most busted legions in the game, everyone on here is just a nogames retard who can only imagine 10 cataphractii WS5 Terminators In a vacuum and not at the same time they're rotating an apple

>>96459385
>Female drivers
This ain't gonna end well

>>96462061
Raven guard? The ones whose assault marines had no legion trait because their chainswords' shred already did the same thing? Better say IF, anon. Poster boys
>WS5 termies
Yeah, AL did those good too, I'd say. Though I'd say it was more their overall flexible mobility. Deploy, redeploy, alternative deploy, bring a DT along, etc whatever. Fun stuff

Has anyone got a derdeo dreadnought with the plastic falconets? Could you measure how long and how tall they are, please?

>>96462049
This too is a lie

Does any one have the 2 Alpha Legion color schemes? The one you see everywhere and the one that Omegon and his goons are meant to be in during their black ops bullshit?

>>96462215
Isn't Omegan's color scheme just black? I don't think we have any proper illustrations

>>96462215
THe fuck you mean "two"? The books have consistantly told us and showed us that the alpha legion used many, many, different colour schemes and iconography.
Just in the first black book(s) alone I am sure they showed like half a dozen.

So these Scouts have been squatted or?

>>96462215
Someone post the black book text about AL schemes

>>96462275
>>96462215
>>96462265
Here. Very in-character in that they're not consistent, even out-of-world official palettes for AL are all over the place.

>>96462294
Yeah I'm painting my AL in different color schemes

>>96462314
Diversity is our strength

>>96462314
Ironically they're the most homogenous legion since everyone looks like a clone of Alpharius. Of course they get facial surgeries and the like for infiltration purposes, but by default everyone is just white baldman

Apart from Book 4, is there much SA lore or content out there to read?

What would you think of switching AP values to a similar system that 40k uses, meaning ap worsens armor saves instead of being a binary "ignores armor/doesn't" check? Right now guns can either be AP2, AP3, or have an irrelevant AP value. The problem with 40k's version of the system is rampant powercreep and retarded rules like armor of contempt accelerating it, leading to stuff like regular boltguns having -1 or better AP. But if you kept it tame I feel like it would add variety and granularity to the game.

>>96462334
That's why they use colour.

Almost finished, need to add some decals and battle damage. Those Rogue trader era Predators are uber cool

>>96462350
go play 40k

>>96462348
There isn't because SA are literally pulled out of someone's ass. The faction didn't even exist until halfway through 1.0

What mark would you usually find WS in?
I personally like MKIV so I might just use that, but I'm not sure what their go to would be.

>>96462651
Firstly, do what you think is cool anon, fuck anything else. There are enough marines in a legion, across enough space and enough situations that any mix of armour etc is fully ok.

But if you want their general disposition, they were at the fringes of space when the heresy started, and Horus already sent more more mk.4 to his confirmed traitor buddies. So it's likely that the WS didn't have much mk4, at least to begin with.
Generally they wouldn't like mk.3, other than situations where the extra armour is REALLY needed, so generally speaking their most common mark at the start of the heresy would have still been mk2.

>>96462651
Mostly MkII would be fluffy, but use what you like. Maybe MkV with II-III elements. Even VII makes some sense if you build your army around SoT

>>96462651
scars raided traitor convoys for like 3 years- if your dudes are from that period of the heresy that's all the excuse you need for rocking MKIV

>>96462334
Not white, I think their skin are mentioned as tanned

>>96462651
mk2 has kinda always been the go-to for White Scars, since they likely didn't see a lot of mk4 suits during the days of the crusade, and mk3 seems a bit slow and heavy for their tastes (not to say they don't use them, golden keshig come with mk3), but they do use all marks, and there's plausible reasons why your dudes might have more suits of a certain mark than is usual for their legion. I would suggest having a variety of marks in your army rather than just everyone in the same suits, but you do you.

>>96462274
The models have, the unit still exists in the legacies rules.

>>96462406
as expected of Nostramo produced armour

Are there any MkII style terminator legs?
Like, how Cataphractii are MkIII style with the segmented back and plated front, are there any such legs for terminators without the plates, just rings?

>>96463070
What a shame I'll just have to settle with the 10 dudes I have then

Hmm. Say I wanted to do proto dark Eldar as militia with gene crafted + legacy of the great crusade. How would I deal with the antigrav vehicles thing? Although honestly, one thing I always wanted to try was converting those khardaron ships by removing the balloons and slapping on treads from guard or admech vehicles to make them land ships.

>>96463419
only that prototype metal termie from the 80s

>>96462350
what do I think of save modifiers? well I'll tell you

back when 40k had save modifiers before it switched to the AP system, boltguns had -1 save mod and so did lasguns fuck off

>>96462350
The AP system change fucked up 40k balance so bad they still haven't figured it out after 10 fucking years of patches every few months

My friends are trying to get me into Horus Heresy but I'm also a lore noob.

Basically, what's the most thematic type of Iron Hands list I can make? I'm stuck on melee weapons atm

I do like chunky bois,

>>96456189 (OP)
This just gives Condor Infiltrate (12) if he joins a Terror Squad because of how it's worded, right? And pretty much any other hq as well? Seems fucking hilarious NL can out alpha legion alpha legion fags this edition

>>96464012
Forgot pic

>>96463979
5 Krators's and an Iron Father because you like vehicles, you're angry your dad is dead, and you would torture your opponent and make them miserable rather than try and win the game

>>96464017
no

BRB p180

>A Model that joins a Unit will gain any and all Tactical Statuses affecting that Unit - but will not gain the effects of any Special Rules possessed by other Models in that Unit.

>>96462350
Save modifiers are perfectly fine as a mechanic in general and switching to them for would eliminate most of the issues with many weapons just being totally useless and 50% of weapons needing to have some variation of Breaching. Generally WFB manages by having save modifiers greater than -2 being extremely rare and the majority of melee and ranged attacks having no AP at all. When 40K used save modifiers weapons generally all had insane values so shit got annihilated whenever it got hit, but also there were accuracy modifiers. The big issue is that it would them to completely recalibrate weapon and unit statlines, which is a big task that would likely be fucked up, so youd probably end up with one really fucked up edition minimum.

I think they should bring them back, keep the values super low and then also bring back range modifiers and also make charges happen on the movement phase while they are at it.

>>96464176
Ah, but the key word there is 'other models,' which is just saying you don't magically gain Eternal Warrior or something just because models in the unit he joins has it- Curze's ability meanwhile is a static effect given to the Terror Squad unit that gives 'all models in Terror Squads Units in this army Infiltrate (12)-' it's not a static keyword or special rule, it's a specific modifier to the unit giving all models in the unit Infiltrate, which would logically include any character who joins the squad.

I've got the bits picked out, now I just need the bodies. Still wavering between using legionnaires (pros: very nice bodies for vets, cons: repetitiveness, not very compatible with bits outside of heads arns and backpack) or 3d printed mk4 (pros: posability and variety: cons: not as fancy as the chaos stuff)

>>96464203
>Ap modifiers would solve weapons being useless (aka not ignoring marine armor because that makes them useless according to me)
>The only system that doesn't suck balls with ap modifiers is based on not having ap at all in the bast majority of attacks

>>96464220
Normally I'd agree with you, but I think the difference here is the rule applies at army construction stage, before deployment and anyone having a chance to join units. By the time you're actually deploying, those characters you want to join will not be in a terror squad unit, and thus not get the rule.

So if the Dantioch model was 3rd party...

1) Who made it?
2) Where can I get one?
3) People can just make models of GW characters using their designs as a base?

And done. Probably gonna finish painting a castaferrum with two gravis plasma cannons after this, my DA still need more plasma weapons.

>>96464288
It's by the guy who did the perturabo golden demon

>>96464236
You're just being dishonest if you think people are looking for AP characteristics on weapons other than 2 or 3. People have universally declared plasma bad because of a 1 increment change to its breaching.

>>96464307
Is it? "David Ugolini"?
How did people arrive at this conclusion?

>>96464310
I'm not going to explain again how plasma is better than last edition. Or how 3 ap0 shots do the same as 1 ap3 shot against marines.
If you don't want to do math or admit that other armies exist, that's your problem, no the system's

>>96464236
Yes just like how the vast majority of attacks in horus heresy have AP values that don't do anything.

>>96464220
That's not how characters work this edition. They don't deploy as part of a unit unless they are in reserves. They deploy as separate units and then join other units at the end of the first movement phase if you say so.
A character with no Infiltrate can't deploy with an Infiltrating unit unless they are conga lining all the way to their deployment zone

>>96464220
Curze isn't in a Terror Squad, he has to join one

he doesn't gain the rule from joining the unit

>>96464310
did you know you're more than three times more likely to roll a 1 than a 6

>>96464462
STOP COOKING MY DICE ALPHARIUS

>>96464244
Why would that be the case though? A unit doesn't just magically stop having a rule once it gains one? And if the ability gained is 'models in this unit gain Infiltrate (12),' why would they suddenly lose that ability just because the game starts?

>>96464444
The rule applies to 'all models in the unit' though, not 'all executioner and headsman models in Terror Squad units gain Infiltrate (12),' a specific they use when giving similar abilties in a similar fashion (eg Saturnine Praetor.)

>>96464426
>Ap5/6 guns turn to -0 so basic militia are suddenly way more resilient
>Ap4 guns turn to -1 so terminators take double the damage from anything that isn't a basic bolter and marine become SA
>Need to make marines more resilient because they now suck balls compared to other armies, make them 2 and 3W and make cover give +1 sv
>Also change all the weapons shots and S bc they don't work the same anymore
>All the points make no fucking sense either now and balance is atrocious
>Pass a patch every 3 fucking months changing and adding special rules to everything cuz you couldn't leave well enough alone
If the last 10 years of 40k retardation haven't convinced you of how bad of a system ap modifier are then there's nothing I can do about it

>>96464288
>People can just make models of GW characters using their designs as a base?
People can just do anything.

>>96464442
>That's not how characters work this edition. They don't deploy as part of a unit unless they are in reserves.
>You can't start the game with an HQ embarked on a transport joined with a unit.
I'm not even gonna check the rules I'm so sure you're wrong

>>96464545
I don't care about literally any of those things and also you seem to think that points values of things are static for some reason?

>>96464601
>>96464442
N, in the deployment rules it says you can join units before deploying. Still, Infiltrate is given to Terror squads during army building and characters join during deployment.
There's no reason to think they'd get Infiltrate for it.
If that was the case you'd be able to give Paragon of Battle to all your HQs, including Praetors by joining them to a Prime unit

>>96464611
Ah well, if you don't care about balance or having a playable system then no wonder you want ap modifiers

>>96464545
The militia thing can be balanced around, if they're twice as durable now then have each dude cost twice as much. I'm oversimplifying but the point is they won't suddenly become OP unless you literslly only change ap values and nothing else.
>Marines suck
Why would they suck? As long as you don't give basic bolters an AP value they should still be roughly the same against most weapons. And cover boosting saves is a good mechanic, and opens up room for more ignores cover weapons/units.

The point is the only reason it failed in 40k was because retarded codex authors felt the need to always have marines one-up every other faction so every time a new book rolls around they raised the baseline up. I'm not saying HH has stellar writers, but it's definitely more balanced and the problem is grestly mitigated by having 90% of armies pulling from the ssme unit list

>>96464545
>why is this bad
>this is not true, any weapon could be given any AP value
>this is also not true, the idea that marines would need to be more resilient is an opinion
>this is also not true, shots and Strength have nothing to do with AP as a mechanic
>also not true, points have nothing to do with AP as a mechanic
>this has nothing do do with horus heresy at all and is just you freaking out about a different game
Embarrassingly buckbroken by 40k

>>96464641
>If that was the case you'd be able to give Paragon of Battle to all your HQs, including Praetors by joining them to a Prime unit
But the effect of Paragon resolves giving BEFORE declaring who joins what unit, so clearly the effect can't hit HQs joining units.
Meanwhile, if you look at the Combat Veterans prime trait, you see more credence to my argument that Curze's ability IS a static effect that persistently affects all models in the units that join a terror squad, because combat squad SPECIFICALLY denotes that 'models that later join the unit do not gaon the effects ot this ability,' so was Curze's ability not meant to include units that join the Terror Squad, they'd add a similar clause restricting them from doing so.

>>96464728
Further futher more to anyone arguing Curze wasn't intended to gain the effect I direct you to his previous rules basically giving him Infiltrate (12) by having him run 20 inches up the board when he felt like it, and that he now lacks any other similar movement based ability probably means they intended for him to be able to gain the effect

>>96462350
It's a bad system for 40k and terrible for 30k, where most armies have 3+/4+ saves everywhere.
It only works in Fantasy/TOW because most armies basic guys only have 5+ armour saves at best, and the majority of weapons don't have an AP better than -2.

>>96464728
>was Curze's ability not meant to include units that join the Terror Squad, they'd add a similar clause restricting them from doing so.
The clause is in the characters joining units specifically telling you they don't gain the special rules the unit has
There is no difference at all between this special rule and any other special rule units gain from other means. Independent characters don't gain them from joining units

>>96464611
>>96464711
>>96464713
>Imagine seeing the state of 40k and wanting 30k to be anything like it
You guys are retarded even by this board's standards and that's an impressive achievement

>>96464919
I don't see the current state of 40k because I don't look at it. It also has nothing to do with the price of fish.

>>96464903
>The clause is in the characters joining units specifically telling you they don't gain the special rules the unit has
Then why would they feel the need to specifically note when added effects that 'affect all models in the unit' like the Combat Veterans prime trait do not affect models who join the unit in the ability's effect? They specifically note when restrictions apply to added effects like this- if they don't they're clearly meant to hit not only the base models in the unit but also those who join it. Like how the Saturnine Praetor's teleport homer ONLY affects 'saturnine terminator and saturnine terminator sergeant models.'

>>96464755
>>96464728
it's not even worth arguing with you at this point, you're both retards determined to ignore the actual rules

I have;
>Tartaros Praetor (The Word Bearers one)
>Overseer Consul
>Saturnine Terminator squad (3x Bombards, 1x Disintegrator, all with Particle Shredders)
If I want to make a Word Bearers army, where would be a good place to go from there?
I'm assuming I want Melee oriented stuff and some vehicles/Dreads?
More looking for a fun list than a competitive one.

>>96465065
You might've had a point if there weren't added restrictions to added abilities and what models they do/do not affect, but with those added it's clear joined units 'not being able to gain abilities of units they join' is simply meant to cover pre set abilties the unit had, not added abilities affecting 'all models in the unit' statically.

That, coupled with Curze straight up not having a sneaky beaky rule the same way other sneaky beaky primarchs do, makes it a clear indication the rule is meant to affect him in some way- specifically when joining a terror squad to gain the ability.

>>96465193
Gal vorbak because they are the coolest. Tactical squads for point score, rhinos, some shit to kill a tank.

>>96464994
>Then why would they feel the need to specifically note when added effects that 'affect all models in the unit'
Because that's not a special rule and there's nothing in the rules saying independent characters don't get it when they join, unlike Infiltrate

>>96465193
Tactical squads, Rhinos, a Centurion, Rapiers or Vindicators, a Saturnine Praetor. I'm not gonna sugarcoat it, the Overseer and the Saturnines are mid

>>96465193
It's not like the WB trait makes you particularly good in melee desu. You can pretty much play any army style you want.

>>96465261
By your argument neither Curze's effect 'Sire of the Night Lords'- Infiltrate is a special rules yes, but 'all models in terror squad units in this unit gain infiltrate (12)' is not a special rule, and is the effect being added here

>>96465276
WB don't need to be good in combat, even when they lose they gaslight themselves into thinking they've won lol

>>96465193
Their Dreadnought is possibly the only good one this entire edition.
It lost the lower Str of some weapons to the new (way too big) dread in the starter but it also lost the "fuck with your own troop bubble"

Beeg

So to be clear then, models DON'T gain effects like this when a unit joins them? Because 'all models in a unit gain special rule X' can't result in special rule X being gained when a model joins a unit and vice versa because of the default rule?

>>96465607
I'm pretty sure the head on Saturnines isn't the marine's actual head, but either way it looks awesome

>>96465620
what like the head is in the chest and they have camera hats?

>>96464919
These people are invalids. Disregard them.

>>96465662
yeah, like dreadnoughts

>>96465620
>>96465708
why are you lying? on the frickin internet for that matter??

>>96464919
The only interaction they can get is negative. The only way they can get into "slightly harder" cool game is to dumb it down.

>>96465611
You see how this special rule specifically contradicts the normal situation of models which join units neither conferring nor receiving special rules?

how it's very specific about that?

>Note that in all cases a Special Rule overrides a Rule - meaning that if the Rules state one thing, but a Special Rule contradicts them, then the special rule is followed where applicable.
>p325

so either you show me the part of Infiltrate (X) is conferred onto Models which don't have Infiltrate (X) when they join the Unit, or you show me the part where Cumlad Cooze's special rule specifically confers Infiltrate (X) onto him, or you have no incidence of a Special Rule overriding the Rules on Deployment, joining a Unit, or the applicability of Special Rules to Models which join Units and vice versa

fucking mong

>>96465797
>how it's very specific about that?
I see how it specifically states 'all models in that unit gain Hatred (Traitor)' and is identically worded to the way >>96464017 says 'all models in Terror Squad units gain Infiltrate (12)', so why you think these two rules worded exactly the same way don't interact exactly the same way, granting ALL MODELS in the unit the ability.
Notice Sedras also doesn't have Hatred (Traitor) are you going to argue Sedras doesn't give himself Hatred (Traitor) despite him now counting as one of the models in the unit upon joining it? Same logic applies here pretty clearly.

What if...I were to adapt Horus Heresy to the 40k 2nd edition ruleset and release it for free?

Ohohoho, delightfully devilish, anon!

WH+ Horus Heresy Battle Report #3: Imperial Fists vs. Sons of Horus:
> https://gofile.io/d/hqx7fe

>>96466143
Thank you.

>>96465951
I didn't like 2e when I was a kid. But smaller armies and unique vehicle damage tables would be great

>>96466143
>flamer predator
Unusually based. Maybe that's a good idea, drive a fast tank forwards and Panic units off an objective.

>>96466143
Phone poster here. Why doesn’t this play on my iPhone?

>>96466143
what else have they played so far?

>>96465951
Given how complicated 2nd edition was it would be a big job. Though it would be funny to see HH adapted into any other warhammer ruleset.

I for one want to see the AoS and Necromunda versions. The former I think would be funny, and the later might actually be a good skirmish game.

>>96466460
you need a proper video player, try VLC (open source and free)

How are IW faring this edition? They lost one of the best traits in the game but ignoring status modifiers is a pretty good trait too. They seem like the premier legion for camping 20 tacs on objectives no

>Brothers! Lords of Night! We are gathered here to practice our synchronized evil laughter. After me: MUHAHAHAHA!
>MUHAHAHAHA!
>MUHAHAHAHA!
>MUHAHAHAHA!
>MUHAHAHAHA!

I want an Artillery battery in my SA - do I go with Basilisks or Medusas?

>>96462350
Why is he sticking a lightbulb into his chamber?

>>96464288
I now absolutely believe someone stole this out of a FW warehouse or studio.

>>96466939
You know how tanks fire depleted uranium rods sometimes? well this rod isn't so depleted

>>96467005
I don't think that would make much of a difference besides requiring special storage and turning the sniper rifle into a radioactive hazard.

>>96467050
it's a very angry rod of uranium

>>96465607

This looks the business

>>96467071
It's actually one of these bad boys

>>96462350
I've said this before but I think a good compromise would be
>AP value worse than Save: Take full save
>AP value equals Save: Take save at -1
>AP value better than Save: no Save
Basically gives three separate states for armor saves that allows for additional granularity while avoiding the obnoxious unbalanced modifier creep of 40k.

>>96466758
>Repeat after me: all models in Terror Squads gain Infiltrate (12)
>Repeat after me: Konrad Curze gains Infiltrate (12) when he is a model in a Terror Squad

>>96458343
not horus heresy at all, but i'm having trouble picking up the brush lately

>>96467347
Clearly a militia model

>>96466143
Thanks, Anon. This was kinda neat, some good models in the showcase.

>>96467895
You can only force a status check once per unit, right? So 4 flamers doesn't increase your likelyhood of causing a route it's just very cool, but it's probably worth it for chasing someone off an objective.

>>96467903
very based loadout.

>>96467903
Wow that weathering is pretty good.
Was this a studio army?

>>96467903
Correct, but three flamers can also do some decent damage. And templates suffer no penalty from being snap fired, so it can freely roast three different units. All of the flamers are str 6 or lower too, anything charging that predator is in for a fun time (not really)

>>96467908
Gravis bolt cannon is 6 shots with 2 damage, and heavy FP as well. A stationary contemptor with two gravis bolt cannons fires 14 shots, each one capable of one tapping a vet or termie. It's more of an overlooked wargear option than a fluff bunny choice now.

>>96467959
>Gravis bolt cannon is D2
oh damn, so it is

>>96467984
They're a free option as well. Cheapest contemptor load out.

>>96467959
Especially on IF

>>96467908
I liked the over/under bolters more. It seemed more like a gun that would be pointed by a soilder instead of leveled by a vehicle. More fitting for a mech that's worn rather than piloted.

>>96468019
Oh but I already have so many...

>>96468040
You didn't magnetise your dreadnoughts?

>>96468072
Why would I?

I think I'm about to start a new army.
I hadn't really planned to, but I've drawn up a (probably awful) 1000pt list, been finding STLs etc.
The only thing stopping me from starting to print is I can't be bothered finding good STLs for 20 tacticals, even though I have a builder, and ebay prices are higher than they should be given a brand new box set.

>>96468471
Post the list

>>96468471
Sounds like a skill issue. 20 tacticals is chump change.

>>96468471
don't forget to give your primarch Deep Strike (1) and Explodes (2+)!

>>96468505
If I wasn't printing them I'd be all for it. I wonder if I know anyone with spares from Saturnine.

>>96468501

>>96468706
Looks fine.

>>96468471
how do you have a builder but not an stl you like?

>>96468850
There's a very obvious answer to that question anon.

>>96468850
what do they mean by builder?

>>96466143
>2 challenges happen
>Both break down to Seize the initiative vs Finishing blow gambits
I understand

>>96468932
Is this how conversations between Ferrus and Fulgrim went?

>>96468936
No.

Have you noticed that IW's thing is being expendable and have the unfavored prime advantage that gives them Expendable 1, but then randomly the WS prime gives expendable 2? Why are WS better at the IW gimmick?

>>96468924
You get a selection of parts, and stick the squad together, kind of like from a sprue.

>>96468956
Because IW are so shit they're worthlessness is already accounted for. A White Scar being shit is more unusual so the rules represent this.

>>96468965
Oh, I see.

>>96468966
But they're the Chinese Recast marines. Surprised GW doesn't have a hate boner against them

>>96468973
IW are just russian recasts, which is even less acceptable.

>>96468981
I thought NL were the dedovshchina legion

>>96468994
There's some overlap.

>>96468905
i'm a very stupid boy
why would you still have it if you don't like it you know

>>96468956
An Iron Warrior player fucked John French's wife and this is payback. It's the only explanation.
It's literally the fucking same, but worse

>>96468965
I love 3d printing and the chad designers so much bros, fuck GW so much

>>96468956
IW being treated badly fits into the lore tho, very meta

>>96467959
>Gravis bolt cannon is 6 shots with 2 damage, and heavy FP as well. A stationary contemptor with two gravis bolt cannons fires 14 shots, each one capable of one tapping a vet or termie. It's more of an overlooked wargear option than a fluff bunny choice now.
Oh really? Maybe the time has come heavy bolter enjoyers

>>96469257
Don't get too excited bolter boy, even with 2 of them you're still not killing more than 3 tactical marines

>>96469286
Bold words for someone within charge range of 36-54 charonite ogryns. Your laacannons will not save you

>>96469309
Is there any explanation of what made charonites so awful and heretical that they were banned? Tech doesn't seem like anythign out of the ordinary for the setting, your average washing machine servitor is more horrifying and it wasn't' even an abhuman

>>96469318
Have *you* ever been face to face with 36-54 charonite ogryns?

>>96468956
>John French is a massive Pissbaby
>Pissbaby's have solid rules in every edition with broken shit for "reasons"
>IW get shafted in some manner in every edition
pattern recognition is supposed to be developed in early childhood anon.

>>96469467
Professional victims all of you. If the rules are so terrible why are they one of the most played legions.

>>96469501
>If the rules are so terrible why are they one of the most played legions.
There are a lot of people in this world with victim complexes.

>>96469467
why do any of you care if an army is bad, this is a narrative game not a competitive one

>>96469501
They were OP in 1e, historically easy to play, and easy to paint. "Muh meat grinder" grimdark trench bitter marines yaddayadda.

Personally I've only played one IW player and he was actually a cool guy.

>>96469501
Anon having a massive victim complex is literally the core reason the Iron warriors rebelled

>>96469524
It's not narrative for the dark angels to lose, or for night lords to win.

>>96469516
what is the attraction? Not to arm chair diagnose but perhaps they are not satisfied at work?

>>96469501
>Professional victims all of you
I don't even play IW, French is a cancer all the same.

>>96469501
Probably because they're the easiest legion to paint.
Prime black, drybrush gunmetal, do details, done.

Would it be frowned upon if I painted my army a certain color of my own liking, but played them as a specific legion? For example, like playing Salamanders, even having the flames and all that, but they were purple and not green? Knowing its not lore accurate, I just wanna make a custom chapter but still play 30k I guess.

>>96469607
That depends entirely on your local playgroup. Some people lean more into the "historical reenactment" side of the game, others just like to shoot the plastic soldiers

>>96469607
You'll be tarred and feathered at best. Shot at worst.

>>96469607
>custom chapter
If you want to play 30k just actually have a 30k army dude.

>>96469607
I will personally come to your house with claw hammers for your kneecaps.

>>96469607
yes, people will have absolutely no respect for you. The heresy predates custom chapters, it was exactly 18 legions and nothing else.

>>96469607
>>96469685
People will still PLAY you, mind you, they'lll just be frowning while doing it.

>>96469685
>it was exactly 18 legions and nothing else.
Except for all the blackshields, and shattered legions, and the mechanicum, and solar aux, and militia, and daemons

>>96469699
we don't accept artificial retcons like blackshields here. They literally did not exist during the heresy, GW added them 30 years later to try to satisfy the custom chapter fags but just like going to walmart wearing a dress and with a fox tail buttplug, it's legal but anyone who is doing it is human garbage who nobody respects in the slightest.

>>96469699
Don't forget the breakaway cults or alternative organizations of some legions with different color schemes like those zealot Salamanders or phalanx wardens or justerian or destroyers orebon keshig or blah blah blah

>>96469697
I would not play them. The game's already non-competitive and unfun rule-set, if they're ruining the narrative part by having random pink non-EC space marines with rainbow shoulderpads, there's absolutely no benefit or point to wasting the hours giving them a game.

>>96469729
Well I said PEOPLE would still play him, not whatever you are.

>>96469715
I was including those salamander weirdos as under shattered legions, but yeah, also licensed color schemes within the legions as well, and also pre primarch schemes on top of that. There's a bunch of customization while remaining within the boundaries of the setting, and since every legion did everything you can definitely find some place to slot your weirdos in without breaking the setting.

>>96469712
Cope and seethe more

>>96467908
>I'm gonna need two guns for this heresy

>>96469607
Just play Blackshields.

I'm looking to play shattered legions, but im kinda stuck on what to do army wise. I want to make it a split between RG, IH and S, but im not really sure how to go about this. Do I make every squad mixed? What should I do for HQ's? Any shattered legion players here?

rules aren't out yet for 3.0

>>96469715
>breakaway cults or alternative organizations of some legions with different color schemes
It's pretty much "same old legion, BUT BLACK"

>>96470001
Im currently just in the planning/army building stage. I already have a IW army and kinda just want to branch out.

>>96470023
Black don't crack boyo

>>96469607
Do not do it. Play 40kslop instead

>>96469501
Easy scheme and cool lore, one of the few competent traitor legions

What are people doing with Librarians? I have a small Blackshields (currently DG rules, since we lack BS ones) allied detachment that is, for fluff reasons, led by a Librarian. I know you can Biomancy/Divination one into a scary force axe duelist, but has anyone got anything neat out of the other options?

>>96468471
which armor mark do you want?

Did regular rank and file Dark Angels get to wear robes as well, or was that reserved for super secret innerests of circles hekanotekapekagiogoogoogaga bullshit parts of the Legion?

What about Sergeants and other lower type leaders?

>>96470208
I thought the cloaks were a Caliban tradition, so anyone could wear them. I could be wrong tho

>>96470202
Mk2.

>>96469607
We don't take kindly to your types around here.

>>96470208
The more robes the higher the rank of the DA marine. Usually it starts at sergeants, and goes up to praetors also having capes and shit.
It's not a hard rule though.

daemons out https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/5cqf0kgx/daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-download-the-free-pdf-army-list/

>>96470646
>Can be taken as allies
Good. The limitations in 2.0 were so retarded.

What are the odds of getting plastic mechanicum knights within the next year or so?

>>96470646
>Article mentions future god specific additions to daemons armylist multiple times
>harbinger allows units of daemons to charge after deep strike
Why are PDF armies getting all the good shit, whilst those who play armies with actual libers get punched in the dick?

>>96470699

It's really just Astartes.

>>96470646

Looks like the author of this confused Encroaching Ruin with the Primordial Annihilator.

>>96470723
Tell that to the mechanicum fags who build magos with jump pack

>>96470646

> No Officers of the Line
> No special detachments
> 2 shooting weapons: Bolt Pistol and Flamer that doesn't cause Panic
> Melee weapons outside of Command/Brutes are all complete ass with anemic AP and AM penalties

I appreciate the gesture but this looks fucking horrible desu. The God-specific additions are going to have to do an awful lot of heavy lifting.

>>96470646
>A model with this Trait gains the Desecrators Special Rule
>A model with this Trait gains the Desecrators Special Rule
>A model with this Trait gains the Desecrators Special Rule
Do rules writers get paid by the word this edition?

>>96470646
>somehow even less options than 2.0's daemons which were already universally shat upon
Are the missing upgrade options for daemons going to be in the legacies doc? Lmao.

>>96470812
Considering the mentions of future additions, most likely it will all be paid DLC in those tactica journals

>>96470794
Bold of you to assume there is a person behind this.

>>96470794
It would explain a lot desu

>>96470645
it also depended on any secret circle you were in. if you were a rank and file dude, but part of one that had robes as part of their look you wore them. and vice versa, there were Rann veteran high officers who wore armour with no signs, no special marking etc.

>>96470812
after being forced to play vs 3x5 full reaper siege tartaros most circles of HH players banned all legacy pdf options.

>>96470846
>after being forced to play vs 3x5 full reaper siege tartaros most circles of HH players banned all legacy pdf options.
Maybe in Poland but this is the first time I hear of such a thing.

>>96470812
Not like anybody ever used those options. All daemon players did was spam sovereigns.

Morning all.

Just picked up 30 Iron Warriors on eBay for £40. They've been kitbashed but just wondering if you lads can help me roughly identify which bits have been used?

>>96470864
They used the special weapons upgrade kit, nothing special. Doesn't even qualify as kitbash. Impossible to see if any other bits have been used in such a low res pic.

>>96470864

Sorry, potatocam

>>96470873

I think you're right mate, pretty basic upgrades. Still, £40 for 30 marines was pretty good.

>>96470874
Resin IW helmets upgrade set too.

>>96470883
Yeah it's not a bad deal.

>>96470646

What the fuck lmao, how does this even work
You don't have enough detachment slots to build an army unless you spend 1000pts on characters
Said characters are either 300pts for T5/W4/3+ or 135pts for someone who gets ruined by a Centurion
The list is entirely dependent on walking units into combat with shit weapons, zero charge bonuses and no shooting to soften the target up first.
Lesser Daemons are going to lose melee against Tacticals

>>96470928
Welcome to daemons post-1.0

>>96470928
It keeps surprising me how many new people show up in /hhg/

Why the FUCK do Furies have a 60mm base now

How is it possible that saturnine terminators, despite having the largest shoulder pads yet, don't have enough room to properly put a transfer

>>96468965
>bilder

>>96470999
ikr
it's like they went out of their way to make it impossible to put a fucking icon on them

>>96470999
This is a freehand only hobby, decals go on vehicles. :^)

>>96471109
there's no room for freehand either. The pads are a stupidly weird shape, nothing looks good

>>96469607
All these people and likely samefagging fail to mention that there were diverse chapters that did not look or operate like their parents legion. Take the Pale Nomads Chapter, or the Ashen Claws. Two chapters of the XIXth that never took on the RGs iconography. The Ashen Claws, picrel, even had their own symbol. You could easily have a black sheep or otherwise forgotten company in any legion. Lost to the annals of time and stuck far out and disappearing to attrition. Custom Chapters are quite literally Companies which were often called "chapters". So long as it isn't painfully 40k it's fine.

>>96469607
>I just wanna make a custom chapter but still play 30k I guess.
That's what Blackshields are for

>>96471167
So you can only play a freaky chapter like >>96471143, the Revenants, etc if the freaky divergent chapter already has established lore? Zero other ones existed and we've catalogued 100% of them?

>>96471167
James police is for leaks not for your dudes fanfic. Do whatever the fuck your want, paint it as you want, don’t be a cuck to BL slop.

>>96470846
>everybody spams reaper autocannon siege tartaros within a month of new edition launch

Things that didn't happen for 500

>>96470856
Because it's categorically not true. It's a fabrication, a lie. Do not let them keep spamming it so they make a fake rumor. Call them out immediately.

>>96470928
You're not actually supposed to play daemons, you spam characters and brutes as allies. Although now brutes got nerfed down to their bound versions so it's just spam characters.

>>96470958
are furies not daemon princes with wings? or was that Shrikes?

>>96471210
Do you even know what black shields are?
Literally the complete opposite of catalogued chapters

>>96471353
Ignore the rage bait anon

>>96471353
Not my question. You implied that the only custom marine force you can do are black shields, I rebutted with the idea that there are still divergent enough unknown chapters/companies/etc that you could reasonably do a non black shield force in custom colors. I postulate that we don't have every single chapter of each legion visually catalogued, which leaves room for customization. The Ashen Claws are the best example, they've retained their pre corax appearance all they way to 40k. Ergo the original Anon asking if they can do a custom chapter, which is actually more in mine visually with their parents chapter than the Ashen Claws are with theirs, is totally safe to do so.

>>96471474
Not only do chapters not really do custom colors, the ashen claws are literally blackshields you retard

>>96471474
>there are still divergent enough unknown chapters/companies/etc
Custom chapter colors and icons are not a thing in 30k no matter how much you bitch about it. You are not getting anything other than black variants or maybe red for destroyers.
Chapters completely cut off from legion culture and iconography would not be using that legions tactics and wargear to begin with. That's the whole fucking point of blackshields

>>96471486
They became renegades which are broadly under the umbrella of Black Shields. Black Shield originally is a term for a marine that has eschewed their original chapter AND changed/censored it. But the Ashen Claws weren't always renegade. Plus the pale Nomads asl exist, they stayed loyal and later became the Carchardodons. They're not black shields are they? So once again, there can be a chapter that is within the legion that is divergent. They can stay loyal, become a traitor, or go renegade as time goes on. Anons chapter could easily become renegade later, or have been so far out that they retained their pre Primarch iconography and died off in the heresy before they had a chance to turn.

>>96471529
So I ask again, we've catalogued all existing chapters and their visual identity across every legion? Thus there can't be a blue flame salamanders company recruited from a world that had high metal content that burned blue in places? Becuase every single salamander chapter is visually catalogued?

The existence of the loyal Pale Nomads is proof enough that a chapter can be visually divergent, pre primarch, and stay loyal. They used stealth, recon, etc well before Corax showed up and were the nicknamed the "Hidden Hand". Quite literally RG tactics, but without the noble bright leash Corax out on his legion. Despite being exiled later on by Corax they stayed loyal to the imperium and were not Black shields. Salamanders trait is just being tough from their geneseed, so it's not like you need special training for that.

>>96471486
>>96471529
>The apple is a grey blob
>>96471607
>The apple is red with streaks of unripe yellow. Dew beads up on the shining surface. The sun reflected in the drops, giving it a subtle sparkle at a distance. A single leaf attached to its stem, still a satin green denoting this apple was freshly plucked from the tree.

>>96471691
You can samefag all you want it won't make you any less of a special snowflake who needs to go back to 40k with the rest of the invalids

>>96471710
You can samefag all you want it won't make you any less of a special snowflake who needs to go back to bolt action with the rest of the muh historals.

>>96471607
>The existence of the loyal Pale Nomads
Ah, ok, you are retarded
1 guy on Dakka dakka made an OC donut steal color scheme that is not mentioned at all anywhere and you decided that's official and backs up your purple Salamanders idea

>>96471742
Wait, do you really think the Pale Nomads aren't real? They debuted in Book 3 Extermination. Picrel is the Pale Nomads scheme. The argument at hand aside, are you...slow?

>>96471764
Are you... mentally retarded?
The Pale Nomads is what the SoH called the XIXth legion before Corax joined them
No shit they have a different color scheme LIKE EVERY OTHER FUCKING LEGION before their primarch
The pale nomads as a separate chapter with bone white armor is completely made up
Legions having a different color scheme before their Primarch or changing it during the GC or Heresy doesn't mean there's random chapters painted purple, you unbelievable moron
Specially not in Salamanders when they were so fucked up during the drop site massacre they didn't even recover enough to have successors in the second founding
Paint them however you want
Every HH player that cared for the setting is still going to think you are a snowflake retard and take you for the 40k refugee that you are

>>96471764
You're either trolling, retarded, or both.

>>96470646
Would it have killed them to give the not-soul grinder a better shooting profile

>>96470646
>dark mech magi can target daemons with cybertheurgy
Fucking based

>>96471814
Anon, no one said they're bone white. If that's the dakka post then they're wrong. This image >>96471764 is the scheme they retained even when sent off by Corax in the nomadic predation fleets. The Pale Nomads became formal name of the 11th Chapter of the XIXth legion. The Ashen Claws were the 17th chapter iirc before they split off during the heresy. The nomadic predation fleets later became the Carchardodons, who look like this but have a white shark instead of the XIX numeral.

I don't know how else to tell you, but you're factually wrong. Pale Nomads started as one of many SoH nicknames at the start of the crusade, and was later formalized. The Deliverers were drawn from their tanks as well and are bright red as a homage to the Justarian and Horus. Even some of them stayed loyal and kept the paint job, of which their rules reflect it.

So in summary, a chapter can be visually divergent before, during, and after the heresy.

>>96471851
>get 9 WS5 ogryn with 5+ invulns and terranic great blades and usually line 2 (tech priests with combat veterans have WP9) for 435 points a pop
Sasuga GW

>>96471474
Take your fucking donut steel 40k shit somewhere else. Don’t like 40k? Not our fucking problem.

>buying a couple of HH books from London via eBay was so suspicious that my bank had to lock my card
>meanwhile, I can order stuff from a literal war zone no problem

What was the print run for each HH black book hardcover? I’m trying to complete my collection and I missed some of the ones I need earlier in the summer off eBay. How often do these pop up and where else should I look? Facebook marketplace?

>>96471961
Oi, you got a loicense for that mate?

>>96470928

This is very clearly an allies-only list, but the characters are pretty swole. A maxed out Paragon Hierarch with wings, blade, Divination and Telekinesis is 335pts, which is exorbitant, but he's got wings and he's sufficiently bulky to smash up almost every space marine character in a fight because he'll have Divination to hit on a 2+ in challenges and Shrouded to survive on the way in. EW1 and D2-3 at Init 5 is pretty great.
Unfortunately, nothing besides the characters seem to have any real legs, and they're still extremely expensive for what they do. The same package on a Sovereign is 445, and even with those stats he's not exactly a Primarch. You're relying on them zooming in to butcher a warlord or clear off an objective that they can then score with Line 1-3.

A couple of cruise missile winged princes or a huge blob of brutes you can cybertheurge up to WS5 might not be a bad allied det, at least. Word Bearers continue to hate life, they're no better with demons than any other legion and the Mech are better, because the Dark Mechanicum can buff them and Diabolists/Esoterists can't.

>>96471872

Sadly the line thing requires you to have only Desecrators models in the unit, so you can't use an vet techpriest to give them a huge willpower stat. First thing I checked.

>>96472181
>This is very clearly an allies-only list
That is the worst. I reckon this game is Marines va Marines ft allied Friends, but good game design would be that every faction could stand on its own instead of needing another.
I wish and hope that's the case now, but I remember it wasn't the case before.

>>96472223
SA, Mech, Talons, and even militia have become solid standalone armies now. Judging by how often GW talks about "future additions" in the daemons article, this is merely a placeholder until they can milk daemonfags for their money with expansion rulebooks.

>>96472223
>>96472265
Daemons get intentionally cucked in every system because GW wants models to be system-exclusive, they hate when players can use the same models for multiple games

>>96472265
It's just a bit weird that we are indeed in the "just wait for future fixes" era Doomposters were all dooming about. I don't know if they are having a field day.
At least daemon players got their placeholder rules to play with in the meantime; that has value

>>96472291
>they hate when players can use the same models for multiple games
This was true until the mikita pdf that has named GSC units in it.

>>96471764
Hey anon, do you know if the skull symbol with lightnings is the mark ot the terran uni wars veteran only for RG or for all legions?

>>96472181
Ah rip on not being able to crib other people's willpower. Still though, I think this is a new height to the the "30-50 wild hogs" meme

>3 units of 9 brutes and a hierarch wings, greatsword, divination, and logistical benefits for 1395 points
>take the prime tech priest from primary detachment and extra two prime tech priests from two apprentice cadres, give them all cyber familiars and aetheric amplification, 180 points to buff all three units up to WS5 or by your powers combined make a super hierarch
>leave the units before in your movement phase before you charge so they can get the desecrators to trigger in the Victory phase
Honestly probably better than the original plan I had of using gal vorbak since I get more meat per points and FUCKING INNATE D2 AND BREACHING 5+, WAS THAT SO HARD GW

>>96471961
Books are dangerous things, they promote thinking.

>>96472338
Lightning Bolts within general iconography is usually unification wars or fighting alongside the emperor. Including the skull is probably a stylized version of an equivalent

Do people in your group/LGS make an issue of using legacies?

>>96472400
No.

>>96472400
Not at all, everybody is using one or more units from legacies.

>>96472360

Add 3 units of 9 Ursarax from your primary det for 2100pts and 55 wild hogs in total, breaking the previously established limits of hog and running nearly 200 T5 wounds into the enemy frontline.

For bonus meat points, Lacrymaerta can battlesmith Infantry. The Sovereign, the Hierarch and the Brutes are all infantry, so heal that 445pt Sovereign right back up.

(In all seriousness, I think buffed up brutes are a pretty decent frontline, yeah, and zoomy hierarch can dive on a point round 1 if you need him to, with a decent scope to Reposition react away.)

Reminder that saturnine have explode (6+). Be careful of the suicide squad double disints, both if you're using them and fighting against them

>>96472303
Better than 2.0 where you get fucking nothing all edition like thousand sons or any non marine army and you’re just sitting there with a shitty mess

>>96472360
>>96472498
Can someone please call the 2.0 mech designer back the cogboys are scaring me

>>96472400
Nah, it's almost an expectation in the community. It's not taboo to bring stuff in Legacies for HH because it's not over/underpowered/illegal stuff, just stuff that either doesn't have a model or stuff that gives more fluff options (at least that's how they've styled it)

>>96472533
THERE IS NO ANUJ TO SAVE YOU THIS TIME

ALL WILL COWER UNDER THE DARK MECH HOG WRANGLERS

>>96472380
Pretty sure they were flagging people for buying 1984

Okay, last time. Lasdudes a-plenty, a good selection of tanks, some Velataris and some Artillery.

Looking alright?

>>96472303
>placeholder
I think it's pretty certain this is it bar a couple of unit variants at most. Ironically the emanations of horror stuff which work like the 3.0 wargear lists isn't in this edition. I think I've seen more players speaking about SoS than daemons in 2.0 and now after essentially soft-killing them, they are truly burying them.

>>96470461
old style or nu style have you tried the loggyk ones?

>>96472400
Considering how marines got gutted well before 3.0's release, it would be weird to see people adverse to it. Though I imagine today's 40k scene makes a bigger stink about legacy models?

>>96472605
Never listen to 40k tourists and refugees. They should be ridiculed and bullied at every opportunity.

>>96472577
I can't wait for Bongistan to finally collapse
I hope you lot bring out the gallows again for Parliament

>>96472620
This.

>>96472498
Oh yeah, it's all coming together

>>96469607
I am currently building a renegade Dark Angels army that are basically proto-Guardians of the Covenant; the Order of the Shadowed Flame.
A shadowy order of the Hekatonystika that went rogue after Nikaea and the censure that followed.

Were exiled to the Halo Stars after the Scouring, and came out as a loyalist Chapter around M34.

They are painted as Dark Angels, but wearing crimson robes. The DW Companions have hooded helms instead of feathery crests, etc.

>>96472577
>if you buy this book that speaks out against dictatorships and police states we'll put you on a list
No one was ever free from the influence of the state but now they aren't even trying to hide it. It's like the curtains fell and we get to see how the sausage is made except the sausage is also being put up our ass.

>>96472400
Our group was going back to 2.0 if legacies didn't have what it has now.

>>96472588
I would drop 1 lasrifle section and try to fit:
- Upgrade the command Leman russ to have hull mounted lascannon
-Same thing with the leman russ that has the lascannon turret.
-Try to give your malcadors a pintle mounted multilaser, so really take advantage of the independent fire rule.
- Give your Dracosan dozer blades, it is your only transport and you need to make sure that you can zoom around in peace. Maybe give it flare shield if the points fit.

>>96472400
No. Legacies are explicitly legal

>>96472814
This, very clearly legal. Legacies are NOT Legends.

>>96472814
>>96472848
Legacies come across as an attempt to satisfy a mandated requirement to someone who isnt going to look at it closely.

>>96472885
Then you haven't had a look at them. There's new units and weapon options in the 3.0 legacies we hadn't had before, and which the rules writers were in no way obliged to include.
Which I am very glad about, having a veteran heavy support squad with ten heavy disintegrators is precisely the kind of suicidal idiocy that I was looking for when starting HH era DA.

>>96472885
The militia pdf is amazing. You can run squats, genestealer cults, tempestus scions, hordes of zombies, penal legions, regular vanilla planetary defense forces, police empires, and more. It's a solid 10 on the fun and narrative side.

>>96472958
>squats
never mentioned in 30k
>genestealer cults
don't exist in 30k
>tempestus scions
don't exist in 30k

>>96472910
>>96472958
Other way around, having them in legacies at all and not in main book is just a result of corporate mandate and they're not actually looking too hard about what is or isn't in it.

Is there an easy way to magnetize the hull weapons on the Leman Russ? Am I completely retarded for not seeing it?

>>96473032
Oh, you meant it was done to sneak it past the executives? Yeah I can see that being the case. The suits at GW seem really committed to killing the hobby.

>look back through purchases
>only managed to secure one 20 x mkiv kit
Not sure how to build these guys since I don't think I'll see that box for less than $100 ever again.

>>96473010
>never mentioned in 30k
Kinfolk
>don't exist in 30k
Abhumans and mutants
>don't exist in 30k
Carapace armor and fancy guns, or grenadiers as we in the imperial militia imperalis call it

>>96472303
>daemon players
>Plural
Let's me realistic here anon

>>96473010
>>squats
>never mentioned in 30k
Existed, and exo riggers and kinfolk are them.
>>genestealer cults
>don't exist in 30k
They do, but they are such a low threat they get lumped into "generic parasite Xenos outbreak #3628". There is a Militia Ridgerunner and Mining Rig datasheet. There are rules for industrial melee weapons. Hell even Necrons fought legions.
>>tempestus scions
>don't exist in 30k
Technically true, but one of the provences is copy paste of the the scion aquilon kit options, grav pack, dual laser pistols and so on. So this is more of a well equipped human faction trait that just lines up with the scion model kits.

This whole PDF is explicitly for using the GW human scale 40k model range.

>>96473032
Ah ok. This is true. Printed books, with few exceptions, are current range or near future entries as announced by GW in the legacies article.

>>96473198
>even necrons fought legions
yes necrons existed in the galaxy during 30k, genestealers didn't.

>>96473230
I'll email GW to delete all the GSC datasheets and provence.

>>96473198
Not to mention genestealer cults use Imperium tech and vehicles. A ridgerunner isn't a genestealer vehicle.

>>96473032
>Other way around, having them in legacies at all and not in main book is just a result of corporate mandate and they're not actually looking too hard about what is or isn't in it.
That's what I meant. They have it because they're mandated to have some kind of weird distinction, but they know nobody will read the contents so they do whatever the fuck in them.

>>96473230
Sorry we are re-retconning tyraninds into being around earlier to fix 40k stupid time compression issue.

>>96473230
>>96473232
>>96473274
You stupid fucking niggers why are you falling for this bait, all of the GSC are mining STCs there isn't actual literal genestealers in the PDF

>>96473198
>Technically true, but one of the provences is copy paste of the the scion aquilon kit options, grav pack, dual laser pistols and so on.
To be fair that combo of wargear wasn't invented by the recent Aquilons kit.

NTA but isn't there some one-off lore about Tyranids being found way earlier than their "first discovery"? Plus some random animals being mentioned as being weirdly similar to tyranids. I think catachan devils? Or some beasties in Fenris? Same with GSC. So it's not entirely out of the question, though probably without the whole "day of revelation" bit since there aren't any hive fleets around for them to call

>>96473315
And of course Necromunda got in on the fun more recently.

>>96473291
>Dear Daddy James Workshop,
>Please remove the attached unit from from the Militia PDF as it is only sold a Genestealer Cult Vehicle and they weren't around during the Horus Heresy. Please make a faction agnostic kit for the PDF.

>>96473312
Yes, joking aside the Day of Revelation may never come for them. Sometimes they don't even know it's a hive fleet. They think actual gods are descending from the stars, so logistics aren't part of their zealot religion. There's also enslavers, overlords, and those other freaky things in the Jovian range that qualify as Lovecraft aliens. So squad faces mutants could very well pop up during the heresy.

>>96473312
Megarachnids
Catachan Devils
Maybe Zoats

>>96473327
These retards fuck hard in necromunda

>>96473124
Mk IV is kill?

And that's the castaferrum dreadnought with dual plasma cannons finished. Anybody else done some painting?

>>96473039
Please SA bros, help me here

>>96473439
Why would NL players help you?

>>96473230
I know the theory of Catachan monstrous biosphere being an extant Tyrannid biome that lost its connection to the hive mind and was never reassimilated is just speculation
There could be an explanation on why genestealers came from the Kraken egg stored in The Fang. Maybe it wasn't a Kraken's egg. Maybe it was, and genestealers infested it at some point inside The Fang. Maybe Fenris' artificially-gathered fauna contains a trace of tyranid genes, or maybe Russ claiming the egg is just a folk legend.
The reports of the Emperor fighting winged tyranids may also be an anachronistic legend, or it could've been a forgotten xenos misremembered as an instance of a contemporary threat.

But you know, FUN and LMAO xD

>>96473230
Yes they did read Pharos

>>96473392
I hope not, I don't think GW is releasing nu MKIV any time soon.
Only ebay bids I lost when getting infantry kits were MKIV, and they're all 100-125 right now. Will have to widen my net, but I refuse to pay more than MSRP for my plastic toys.

>Paramar V
huh

>>96473504
Makes you wonder who could build mud towers(?) taller than Warlords, and why.

>>96473312
>Plus some random animals being mentioned as being weirdly similar to tyranids. I think catachan devils? Or some beasties in Fenris?
In M41 the Space Wolves had a *something* that they believed to be a Fenrisian kraken's egg, that they claimed was a trophy taken by Russ. However, a visiting magos biologis claimed that it was definitely tyranid in origin. Recently it cracked and disgorged a bunch of creatures that were then exterminated by the Space Wolves present and whether the creatures were recognizable as tyranid bio-forms is unsaid.

The Catachan Devil has been suggested even in-universe to be tyranid in origin, but there's no confirmation of the truth in that claim. I think it was in 4th or 5th edition that an in-universe xenobiologist was quote in a codex, expressing his exasperation with every alien predator making laypeople say "it eats humans, gotta be a nid."

However in cases like the hive fleets Ouroboros, Hydra and Colossus it appears that they arrived in the galaxy long before the Imperium's "official" discovery of the species in the final years of M41.

>>96470646
does anyone know what champion of the ruinstorm does?

>>96471317
>You're not actually supposed to play daemons
I fully intend to, as my one and only heresy army no less

>>96473481
Recasts exist of old mkIII, so hopefully mkiv as well in the future

>>96473522
Eusocial insects.

>>96473537
scroll down bruh

I'm going to make a thread

>>96473578
scroll down to where? the rule isn't anywhere in the whole pdf

>>96473587
we're not even at image limit bruh

>>96473606
>page 9
Do we need to conserve boardspace for another coomer, 40kid, or D&Dfag thread? I don't think so.

>>96473593
Page 9 of the PDF.

>>96473631
>Page 9 of the PDF.
has the rule for champion of the DOMINION
I am looking for champion of the RUINSTORM

>>96473642
Page 6, it's MoTL equivalent

>>96473657
oh nice, thanks anon

DA players : I have a game planned against your legion tomorow.
Beside the Lion and Companions, do you have any combo or dangerous units I better be aware of before engaging the first on the tabbletop. I know the first isn't in the best of places right now and in the running for worst legion rules, but I just wanted to know what worked for your legion at the moment.
What's the consensus on your RoW ? I've heard people saying it works in combat resolution, while some don't.
I play SW so of course we're going to have a Lion vs Russ Duel btw.

>>96473725
We got nothing, enjoy the free win.

you think alpha legion have arguments and bragging rights about stealing secrets first? if a legionary stole a secret from mars, but then another legionary stole the secret from him, who's the better legionary?

>>96473794
I think ego is the first thing you leave behind when joining the AL. Who stole that secret? Alpharius did.

>>96473606
spamming images is against the rules, anon
the only way we get to image limit is from leaks or tourists . with out those, we don't threaten the image limit unless there are autists spamming the same minis or autists spamming reaction images.
look, i don't even have to worry about posting anime right now

>>96472764
Cheers for the input. I'm already at 2990, so even dropping a squad isn't gonna give me much to play about with. The battlecannon Russ is a mistake, but it's the same points cost so whatever. I'll take a squad out and see what I can afford.

>>96473802
inner turmoil post heresy is a lie?

Warp rift opening
>>96473861
>>96473861
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>>96473864
that is also a lie

>>96473631
I for one support coomer threads

>>96473875
you sound like a liar, but i'll believe it

>>96473913
mission accomplished

>>96473399
That's sick.