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>>96731336 (OP)
Is it actually possible to diablerize the 3rd gen after you've somehow eaten your sire?

>>96731371
Why can't they be picked anyway? Are they all dead?

>>96731070
There's no guarantee you'll be able to awaken, just take what you have instead of hoping for better rng

>>96731420
Pretty sure the last guy who tried that got taken over by the 3rd gen he diablerized

>>96731336 (OP)
How tf do you get Bardo at Ancient rank? or any Obscure Discipline for that matter?

>>96731451
Buy it???

>>96731451
Do you really need it at Ancient rank out the gate?

>>96731429
NTA but from a lore perspective the transition from Vampire to Mage isn't as far fetched as you'd think. The journey of self-mastery you undertake in Cursed No More would probably leave "enlightened" enough to awaken as a Mage, by turning your Beast into your an Avatar. Remember that every human has the "spark" of a mage, which is why their collective unconscious is so powerful.

>>96731463
Oh my bad I'm blind.
>>96731465
Yes, I need at LEAST one at ancient rank to insure my safety.

>>96731451
Get an Affinity for it from your clan and train, have someone with Ancient in it train you, take the Forbidden Tome and learn from it, taking Knowledgeable for you Sire might allow them to train you to Ancient level, and maybe Path to Golconda's Equilibrium (I don't know if it allow you to train without a guide like an Affinity, it might just unlock every disciplines and you still need a guide to get better).
All the training requires you unlock the obscure discipline first.

>>96731420
They're all unstoppable, alien blood gods who all have apocalyptic designs for the world and insatiable thirst they can only fill with the blood of their childe. You're not supposed to interact with them, period. That being said, canon has some examples of them getting diablerized.
>Troile diablerized Brujah successfully and seemingly had no issues, but this story is blurry
>Tremere diablerized Saulot, but Saulot planned this out in the first place and engaged in a battle of wills with him, turning their physical body into a worm and essentially getting stuck in immobile form for hundreds of years
>Giovanni concretely was able to lower his generation after diablerizing Cappadocius, but he failed to eat his soul, so he didn't get any of his power. He's basically a Methuselah with a higher power ceiling, and he canonically gets mocked for fucking up, even by his clan, who call him "Uncle Angie".

Basically, if you wanna diablerize one, you need to be extra prepared and ready for whatever bullshit they're gonna pull out.

>>96731566
>turning their physical body into a worm
Would you still love your sire if she was a worm?

>>96731566
>insatiable thirst they can only fill with the blood of their childe
Why don't they just learn Bardo? Are they stupid?

>>96731571
>still
Never did.

>>96731576
Shut the fuck up Absimiliard you vain bastard. You literally ruined EVERYTHING because you got one tiny scar on your face.

>>96731513
There's no character with ancient rank Bardo tho?

>>96731584
>or any Obscure Discipline for that matter?

>>96731584
Where is it stated they need Ancient?

OC by Kathiana, not by me.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Yl9wFIrrSYnxFYtEoBOONrRiH2pCv6Xx/view

>>96731350

Name: Neo Bastonia

Setting: Capeshit - High risk high reward. Maybe we'll be able to recruit some capes, or at least dissect enough to figure out how to inject their powers into our guys.

Healthy Competition

Dimensionally Lost - We're cut off from home, but that just means a fresh start with no bosses and noone with leverage over us. A chance for us to grow beyond a mere mercenary company.

Company: Legion - A chance for us to form a whole nation.

Leader: The Brain

Presentation: Personalization Allowed, Face, Variable pricing, Brigade, Melting pot, Board of Trustees, Flexible Morals, exclusive Partnerships, Wardens (gotta capture those enemy capes for testing yaknow), Total Loyalty

Compound: Corporal Cavalcade.

Additions: Redundant system suite, Symbiote Nursery, Gladitor Agora

Amenities: Vacation Days, Modern Living

Training: Analysis Operations, Disarray Disruption, Tandem Barrage

Edicts: Cloaking Array, Performance Enhancers (from all the research we do on the capes of course), Organ Farm, Battle Bonds, Inside Men

Primary Service: Diplomacy and Mediation
Secondary Service: Crisis Management
Aux Service: Heavy Assault, Transport
Our primary job is waving around the big stick that is our fleet and making peace treaties that are, in the long run, beneficial to us.

Connections: Perturbed Mind, Public Face, Well meaning Janitor, Notable Diplomat, Sweaty Gearhead

Contracts: Unbound Cargo, Burning Truth. Fre advanced cloaking tech AND free scientist that meddles with things he should not? Hell yeah.


Skir 4 War 7 Dog 1 Fleet 10 Intel 8
Esp 1 Inter 4 Supp 6 Mor 2 Trust 4
Generic 4 - Honestly all 4 of these generic points should probably go into dogfighting. Having dogfighting be at 1 in space is a recipe for disaster.

A pretty solid company expanding it's way into becoming a nation with an ever travelling capital city while doing cape type monstrous research to enhance our soldiers.

>>96731962
>Maiar and Valar
Why though? They're basically "I win" options. You can make a Melkor-aligned Valar with Spirit 3, get a bunch of songs and rape everything to death.

>>96731962
>Alignment:
Eru

>Race:
Vala

>Songs of Power:
Healing, Peace, Purification, Protection, Empathy, Light, Sight, Strength, Concealment, Crafting, Elements x4 (Air, Earth, Fire, Water)

>Enhancements:
Tier 3: Spirit, Intelligence, Luck
Tier 1: Charisma

>Era:
Days Before Days

>Origin:
Drop-In

>Treasures:
Indebted, 2 Trees of Arda

>Drawbacks:
Dark Thought 2, Hunted (All), I’m Going on an Adventure! (All), Age Dysfunction (Young), Behind Enemy Lines, Language Block

>>96732030
I'd rather be an Eru-aligned Valar and make the world a good place, thanks.

>>96732030
You do know Eru is watching yeah, and he only loves humans.

>>96732062
Eru is JNPL, except that rather than ascension, he wants descension.

>>96732062
Eru doesn't do shit unless he's being fucked with directly, and he banks on the free races to defeat evil. Sauron could've won legitimately, but his rule probably wouldn't last, and he would definitely try to fuck with Valinor.

>>96731808
Nowhere I just think it make sense that they need to be at that level if you want to be teach to that level, so I put it in my answer(>>96731513).

>>96732042
You do realize Valar cant interact at all with middle earth right?

>>96732030
>rape everything to death
finally a cyoa for chads

>>96732167
actual legitimate brainrot take

>>96732030
you been living under a rock the past 3 years? only CYOA around here that get builds are the ones were you instantly win, why do you think we have such content drought? Because only one type of CYOA get any attention at all

>>96732164
>Days Before Days
>the Valar descended into Arda
>The Valar sought to create a world
No, I do not.

>>96732186
>he doesn't take things for himself
low t

>>96732201
>he doesn't enjoy a challenge
even lower t

>>96732164
They can interact, they just personally hate humans so much they don't want to stick their necks out to help them.

>>96732228
literally me post-isekai. Once I get my powers all the subhumans are over.

>>96732256
>Implying I'd let you

>>96732276
i'm not taking multiplayer you fag

>>96732164
The best option freedom-wise would be playing a Numenorean with a Ring of Power. You'd be an aryan gigachad amongst jobbers, and the Ring would make you into an immortal wraith with cool powers. No obligations and no getting stuck in a spirit world after your death like with the Elves.

>>96731962
>alignment
Melkor
>corruptions
Pride (Greater) +5
Greed (Minor) +3
Lust (Greater) +5
Wrath (Greater) +5
Gluttony (Minor) +3
Gluttony (Greater) +5
Envy (Minor) +3
Envy (Greater) +5
Sloth (Minor) +3
>race
Vala -30
>songs
Song of Curses
Song of Domination
Song of Sensation
Song of Sickness -5
Song of Darkness -5
Song of Crafting -5
Song of Strength -5
Song of Hunting -5
Song of Sight -5
>enhancements
Strength (3) -10
Dexterity (3) -10
Endurance (3) -10
Spirit (3) -10
Intelligence (3) -10
Luck (3) -10
Appearance (1) -2
Charisma (3) -10
>origin
Days before Days
Drop in
>skills
Warrior (greater) -5
>wealth
Destitute
>items
Divine Weapon -10
>drawbacks
Dark Thought (lvl 2) +20
Hunted (all) +30
Adventure (all) +20
Behind Enemy Lines +10
Language Block +5
Age Dysfunction (young) +5

>>96732042
>I'd rather be an Eru-aligned Valar and make the world a good place, thanks.
Not on my watch

>>96732042
No purifications?

>>96731962
In the alignment section can you take both the minor and greater purification/corruption of a choice? Are they exclusive? Do the Greater versions entail the minor versions?

>>96731962
>Alignment
Melkor
>Corruptions
Pride (Minor and Greater) +7
Greed (Minor and Greater) +7
Lust (Minor and Greater) +7
Wrath (Minor and Greater) +7
Envy (Minor and Greater) +7
>Race
Valar
>Songs
Song of Sensation
Song of Breaking
Song of Domination
Song of Darkness
Song of Crafting
Song of Strength
Song of Illusions
>Enhancements
Spirit 3
Intelligence 3
Luck 3
Appearance 1
Charisma 2
Strength 3
Dexterity 3
Endurance 3
>Era
Days Before Days, Drop-In
>Skills
Warrior 2
Smith 2
Miner 2
Gardener 1
>Treasures
Destitute, Horse, Longbottom Leaf, Ring of Power, Divine Weapon
>Drawbacks
Dark Thought 2
Hunted (All)
Adventure (All)
Behind Enemy Lines
Split Mind

I will use my songs to create the Rings of Rape and distribute them among men to make them rape more. I will create the empire of rape and will industrialise sexual abuse. I will rape >>96732042
with my bare hands. I will rape until Arda is undone. Rape. Rape.

>>96732313
>>96732435
...

Your Corruption and lack of Concealment will be your downfall.

>>96732424
No purifications.
>In the Alignment section, the Purifications and Corruptions represent fundamental changes in your character that cannot be avoided through loopholes. For example, if you take the Minor Charity Purification requiring you to give 10% of your wealth to charity each year, you cannot then give all of your money to your best friend and claim poverty. Instead, you become the type of person that eagerly wants to give 10% to charity and will do your best to make sure that it happens. The same is true for Corruptions with the Minor Greed Corruption making you want to cheat others and giving you enjoyment when doing so. Corruptions do not directly put you under the control of the Dark Lord, but you will act in a way that aligns with his plans more often and you will find his offers more appealing.

>>96732030
You do realize that not only do Valar lose their powers as they use it, they can get fucked by sufficiently epic mortals? When an Elf kill a Balrog, it's an Elf killing a Maia that has used all their power into their body and has survived multiple inter-Ainur conflicts. Feanor resisted Melkor's charisma and Fingolfin maimed Melkor.

>>96732164
No, they just can't rule or injure Children of illuvitar. Well, they can, but that's a good way to get fucked by the other Valar or to be fated to end like Melkor.

But minions of Morgoth like Spiders, Werewolves, Orcs and Dragons don't count, so you can go all out on them.

Another problem is that Valar can't do precision work, so they tend to sink continents and shatter mountains, when they only wanted to smash a fucking dragon.

>>96732469
Where's ego death anon?

>>96732469
>concealment
I'm the strongest. I don't need to hide like a goddamn jobber. I took Song of Hunting just so I could find and kill those RATS

>>96732469
Anon, these two rival your build in enhancements, and one of them has the ring and a desire to violate your anal cavity. I don't think you're making it out.

>>96732477
What about Maiar? Do they lose their magic powers too? Can you potentially live forever as one and fuck off to do your own thing?

Is RoP worth taking? Might add
Split mind + smith (greater) + RoP to my build.

I feel like Two Lamps or the Saplings should be more powerful than a ring of power though?

>>96732477
>You do realize that not only do Valar lose their powers as they use it
Their power gets dispersed into creation, and they naturally grow weaker with time because all the magical shit in the world fades. Melkor poured his energy into the physical world to control it and made him weak, but some Elves theorized that he could've renewed his energies over time.

Really, you're kinda fucked if you seek immortality in LOTR. Middle Earth is destined to lose all of it's magic.

>>96731962
>powerless midget kills satan
Shit setting.

>>96732557
The CYOA and author say that it grants you enhancements based on your race, and gives you an immense lifespan if you don't get immortality from it. Humans would be able to transform into Wraiths, like in Shadow of War

Can any Tolkien buffs tell me what kind of fun activities I can do in Middle Earth? Aside from the movies I watched as a kid I don't know much about the lore and setting. I'm also not interested in going to war or ruling.

>>96732515
>What about Maiar? Do they lose their magic powers too?
Yep, Sauron and Sauronsman both got nerfed heavily, they died as jobbers set up to strengthen mortal souls.

>>96732570
I feel like you could do some corruption bullshit with the two trees to suck magic back out of creation and into the water/fruits.

>>96732629
>I'm also not interested in going to war or ruling.
This is basically the entire appeal of fantasy settings that don't have crazy magical shit in your face 24/7.

>>96732649
>Yeah bro just sit in a chair forever or until you die bro.
>Yeah bro just send men to die so you could get more meaningless glory bro.
Well that's fucking boring.

>>96732629
KILL THE GODS

>>96732678
Some people enjoy the fighting, anon.

>>96732689
And some people enjoy imagining having sex for the first time, hence the popularity of waifu cyoas.

>>96732707
Don't call them out like that.

>>96732649
These fantasy settings just suck at making up cool shit that's not blatant magic. Some Sci-fi is infinitely more interesting because it's written by an autist telling you cool science shit.

>>96732726
>Some Sci-fi is infinitely more interesting because it's written by an autist telling you cool science shit.
>autist loredumping on you is more interesting than personal power
boring

>>96732750
Nigga, that lore IS power. Learn quantum physics and you'll be a god.

>>96732515
Technically, Valar and Maiar can live forever as long as they stay in Valinor doing basic shit. But the One Ring of Sauron was made to stop his diminishment. And it worked. If he had taken back the One Ring at the end of the Third Age, he would have been just as powerful as he was when he lost it at the end of the Second Age.

Also, the most common way for Maiar to lose their powers is to invest it into strong bodies beyond the abilities of mortals (Balrogs) and get killed.

>>96732557
The Two Lamps and Saplings have few benefits, except maybe for Elves, as the Light would enhance them enough to die killing a Balrog instead of getting massacred by the dozens.

A Ring of Power would allow to revive after the Balrog is finished. Or

>>96732633
Days Before Days: Participate in the creation of reality. Also, epic battles against Melkor/Morgoth when the Valar could go all out without risking mortal lives (basically God of War 3)

Years of the Tree: as an Elf, flee westward as Melkor/Morgoth wants to torture your entire species into Orcs, then spend centuries getting better at whatever craft you like until Melkor ruins it all. As a Vala/Maia, run eastward to save the elves from Melkor, ending in the battle of Utumno (imagine an inversed Minas Tirith going into the ground, and the bad guys live there)

First Age: Mostly elves killing each other, getting killed by Melkor's minions and sometimes foiling Melkor's plans. All this shit is because an elf made the most beautiful jewels in existence and except the Valar, everyone wants them. It all ends with the War of Wrath, an army of Valar, Maiar and Elves exterminating an army of Orcs, Trolls and Dragons so hard the entire continent sunk into the sea.

Second Age: just watch the Rings of Powers, or read the summary. It's basically Sauron manipulating everyone, getting wrecked, surviving and rebuilding, thrice.

you fags have consoomed too much low IQ power fantasy sloppa and it has ruined your ability enjoy anything remotely subtle

>>96731336 (OP)
My Character
>Who Did This To You: 4th Generation Ancient [+20 Blood, +50 Sire Blood -15 Favor, +10 Fame, +8 Notoriety]

>The Awakening: Not Of This World

>Clan: Banu Haqium [+1 Hook]

>Allegiance: Camarilla [+1 Hook]

Unnatural Embrace [-2 Hooks, +3 Blood]:
Whispers Of Ages (Fortitude)
Sanguine Resilience
Accused Wretch (Protean)
I am of the Camarilla, my sire having integrated into their ranks after the Assamite Schism. I arrived here suddenly, my sire chancing upon & embracing me after first abducting me after a the compulsion to do so overtook them. My blood is altered, infused with resilience and the echoes of a long-dead Dark Lord, granting me affinity in Potence and Protean.

>Curses:
The Sun Tier 3
Fire Tier 3
Manifestation Tier 3
Righteous Tier 2
Distort Tier 2
Bestial Tier 1
Salacious Tier 1

>Blood Powers:
Celerity Elder (Affinity) [-5 Blood]
Obfuscate Elder (Affinity) [-5 Blood]
Quietus Elder (Affinity) [-3 Blood]
Potence Neonate (Affinity) [Free]
Protean Neonate (Affinity) [-1 Blood]
Fortitude Ancilla [-5 Blood]
Auspex Neonate [-2 Blood]
Presence Neonate [-2 Blood]

>My Attribute: Upgraded Body [-1 Hook]

>My Abilities:
Athletics
Brawl
Intimidation
Stealth [Free]
Curses are manageable, though I get pitying looks for my many blood curses, though none doubt I am of Haqim’s bloodline. My new body is powerful, my Disciplines many, and strange knowledge floods my mind. It seems I am to be one of many assassins of the Banu Haqim.

>Candidates:
Edward Rook (Ghoul)
Dick Nolan (Ghoul)
Ronaldo Bandini (Ghoul)
Eugene King (Ghoul)

>Contacts:
The Man Of No Name, Adam Smith
The Friend You Always Wanted, Benjamin Colbert
The Reluctant Convertee, Sarah Neumann
The Shade Of The Forest, Nemen
The Plumed Mistress, Maria Mago
The Flesh Surgeon, Minerva
The Scholar Of The Ancients, Issac Khan

>>96732795
>Dark Gifts:
Night Club (Edward Rook, Eugene King, Dick Nolan, Ronaldo Bandini) [+1 Wealth, -3 Notoriety]
Forbidden Tome (Auspex)
Library Card
Ancient Skull (Gangrel)
Hidden Castle
Soon after the embrace, I was introduced to a whirlwind of eccentric characters: some fellow Kindred, others candidates handpicked by my sire to make up for my weaknesses, noticeably lacking an in the opposite sex. My contacts have turned out to be mostly elders, those who secretly contacted me afterwards to perform tasks for them in exchange for reward. A seedy establishment to call my own, a far-off stronghold in the mountains, the ancient skull of a Gangrel methuselah and more make up the rest of my inheritance.

>Power Projection: 21 Favor, 21 Fame, 5 Notoriety, 1 Wealth.

>Chronicles:
The Massacre of The Blue Flamingo (Spare Them)
A Summoning Most Foul (Grasp The Power)
The Heist (Sell It)
The Thing In The Woods (Turn To Leave)
Trapped In Time (Stroke The Brush)
Shades In The Night (New Friends)
Tying Up Loose Ends (Mercy In The Wake)
A Disappearing Act (Save The Sheep)
Sire’s Character & Introductions
>Sire Traits & Personality:
Preferred Sex [+1 Favor]
Influential [+3 Fame]
Gregarious (Upgraded) [+2 Favor, +5 Fame]
Envious (Quietus) [-1 Favour]
Possessive Protectiveness [+3 Favor]

Sire's Character
>Behind The Curtains [+1 Hook]:
Loving Embrace (Upgraded) [+10 Favor, -8 Fame]
Power Play [+5 Favor, +5 Fame]
Mark Of The Hunter [+2 Favor, +1 Fame]
Turf Wars [+2 Favor]

>Relationship Goals: Indeterminant

>Attitude: Affectionate [+7 Favor, +1 Dark Gift]

>First Impressions: Klutz [+5 Favor, +5 Fame]

>Sire’s Attributes:
Body
Upgraded Mind
Upgraded Social [Free]
Upgraded Appearance

>Sire’s Abilities:
Athletics
Awareness
Empathy
Leadership
Etiquette
Melee
Stealth
Investigation
Subterfuge [Free]
Alertness [Free]
Expression [Free]

>>96732792
>can't keep up with his toolkit ass build
lmao

>>96732803
>Sire’s Blood Powers:
Celerity Ancient (Affinity) [-9 Sire Blood]
Obfuscate Ancient (Affinity) [-9 Sire Blood]
Quietus Ancient (Affinity) [-5 Sire Blood]
Fortitude Elder [-8 Sire Blood]
Auspex Ancient [-13 Sire Blood]
Presence Ancilla [-5 Sire Blood]
My sire is certainly incredible, with intelligence and grace beyond measure, and yet with a carefully crafted charm that endears her to those who should know better. Millennia old and her blood gifted by Haqim himself, she ranks among those hallowed blood gods. Her feat of so thoroughly becoming beloved by the Kindred of this place is all the more terrifying for it. Why she has embraced me is a mystery, as is her obsessive and possessive nature. Why she is not already Prince of this city is another such mystery, though it likely has to do with the plays for power I have only inklings of. In her haste to do so, she even alerted hunters and and took me through conflict. While she heaps affection upon me, and I have promised to return them, my concerns make any long-term plans difficult. It is hard to say whether I am simply some new bauble to be admired and then discarded.

Sire is an obsessively protective 4th Generation Methuselah: there’s very little danger I would face unless I got myself in a stupid situation. They’re also an influential and beloved member of the local community, so I can benefit from that as well. While the embrace was out of love, they do seem to have plans for me. I essentially have five clan disciplines, all for the low price of not having a reflection, tasty blood & a more primal Beast. Character is almost purely combat-specced, contrasting a highly-social sire. Brawl + Protean Claws + Quietus Poison is a fun combo; Potence + Fortitude + Obfuscate on top of that means there’s some staying power and a way to get the jump on others. Sire should take care of all the social aspects, since I won't be too great with that at the moment, and I can focus on surviving my first nights.

>>96732573
Genuinely brainrotted by power scaling. The whole point of LOTR and Hobbit is that ordinary, normal people are who truly save the world.

>>96731499
>Yes, I need at LEAST one at ancient rank to insure my safety.
That's what a competent sire is for

>>96731371
Technically possible, good luck doing that

>>96732833
Lol, lmao, do you also think that dying of old age makes you special?

>>96732864
I bet you don't even give up your identity and ego for power loser.

>>96732766
>Second Age: just watch the Rings of Powers
Really bad advice.
Like the worst advice I've seen anyone ever give.

>>96731336 (OP)
I feel like over time my issue became that there is just no idea that I would be willing to put in the dozens of hours to make a CYOA of.

>>96732864
>Immortalitylet still seething

>>96732908
>t. death cultist
I bet that you think the great replacement is a good thing.

Long lifespan > immortality
I'll get bored of the world eventually, and I'd rather spend centuries having fun than have millenias of boredom.

>>96731336 (OP)
Alas for the end of daypire, but this perhaps-less-silly one will have to do, though given how choices naturally jump between characteristics of the sire and of the self for it I'm not sure how I ought to lay it all out. And god, this is long, having written even very brief explanations in I'm over 6000 characters already.

Generation: Sire is of the 7th, a longtime medieval holdover, and so I am of the 8th.
World: Not Of This
>Ideal Vessel would let me reshuffle my appearance, but I'd still be stuck with certain other troubles that I would much rather cast off, so this soul/memory transmigration seems like a good deal.

Clan: Salubri
Organization: ROLL: (8) = Camarilla, despite not being an eligible bloodline
>How does this work in practice? I'm not quite sure! Evidently my sire is some rare holdover who has quietly struggled or snuggled her way amidst the relative calm of the Camarilla's organization.

UNNATURAL EMBRACE
>Sanguine Resilience
>Repentance of the Beast
>Ideal Vessel (w/Appearance)
It's naive to think that attractiveness solves all problems, particularly in such a scenario as this, but it does provide real benefits. Sanguine Resilience is a long-term investment for if I should happen to survive the long term.

Curses:
>The Sun, tier 2, (disorientation, second-degree burns)
>>With Golconda, tier 1, just weakened and annoyed
>Fire, tier 3! (terrifying, excruciating, hard to heal)
>>With Golconda, tier 2, 'merely' "years to heal"
>Manifestation, tier 3! (all tastes of ash)
>>With Golconda, I can enjoy food again!
>Consent, tier 2! (blood taken forcefully tastes awful, painful)
>Empathy, tier 1! (retain most humanity)
I am a most unvampiric vampire as far as these things go, being able to at least bear the sun a bit normally, and if somehow a state of Golconda can be swiftly attained, even wander out into it without great trouble. Plus, of course, still caring about people and not preying upon them.


(cont)

>>96732943

Abilities:
>Neonate Auspex
>Ancilla Fortitude
>Neonate Presence
>Neonate Celerity
>Neonate Obeah

Very broad here rather than deep, which is quite possibly unwise given how power scaling works. Nevertheless, fairly sturdy against injury or manipulation, and I have some decent capacity for physical action and general awareness of my surroundings. Obeah also grants me a bit of my most-favored capacity, that being to heal others. Though the blood cost of that is far from insignificant. Presence should help me to deal with my consent curse; although outright mental domination seems like it wound sensibly be a violation of consent, supernatural charm isn't quite the same thing.

Attributes 2, can upgrade 1
>Free Appearance (Upgraded)
>Social
>Body

Abilities:
>Drive
>Empathy
>Awareness
>Expression [Appearance]
>Firearms [Body]
>Subterfuge [Social]
>Etiquette [from Sire]

Principally focused here on social skills rather than combat, which again might be foolish, but here we are. Still, there is a baseline physical capability present, and I do know how to use guns (though they may be less than adequate against many threats of the night).

(cont)

>>96732923
I bet you cry yourself to sleep every night, knowing you won't wake up one day.

>>96732935
>Kill-Switch Immortality > Longevity > Conditional Immortality > No Immortality > True Immortality.

>>96732949

The sire herself:

Common Disciplines:
>Presence
>Celerity

Traits & Personality
>Preferred Sex
>Attractive
>Height Difference
>UPGRADED Humanity Intact (unlocks Path to Golconda)
>UPGRADED Traditional

Behind the Curtains
>Loving Embrace
>Feeder
>Identity Lost

Alas, my poor young vampiric lady can no longer even subsist (effectively? at all?) on merely kine blood, so I am compelled to offer her a bit of mine. (How does that interact with blood bonding, anyway? Seems rather dangerous that way, right? If she wasn't already infatuated, she soon would be.) She has seen my past identity here officially killed off, but obviously I have not a tremendous attachment to that identity anyway, so it's hardly a great loss.

Attributes
>Mind
>Social
>Appearance

Abilities (7)
>Etiquette (free)
>Occult
>Firearms
>Awareness
>Alertness
>Subterfuge
>Leadership
>Hobby Talent (music)
>Larceny [Mind]
>Animal Ken [Social]
>Expression [Appearance]

My lady has had a long life despite her appearance, and has learned quite a number of things, although they overlap not insubstantially with my own set of skills. Can't drive well though, the poor dear. She also has, it must be admitted, a more penetrating mind than mine own.

Blood powers
>Ancilla Auspex
>Ancilla Celerity
>Elder Fortitude
>Elder Presence
>Neonate Obeah
Relationship Goals: Undying Love

First Nights
>Attitude: Affectionate
>First Impressions: Favorable

She likes me, she really likes me. And I evidently find her quite a charming creature as well, although that's practically just an objective truth, considering her lovely features, social skills, and elder-level capability at Presence.

Outcomes, etc

Favor: 13
Fame: 8 (3 contacts)
Notoriety: 3 (Unremarkable)
Wealth: 10 (Significant)

(cont)

>>96732864
To be fair, anon, dying as a human/hobbit in LoTR just means you get to go meet Eru and live with him earlier. Humans are also explicitly granted the privilege of joining in to sing with the Valar and Maiar in creation of the next world in their image, which will be a perfect paradise. The most the elves can hope for is that Eru will let them live in that paradise too instead of dying with Arda.

>>96732965

Dark Gifts:
>Hotel
>Mortal Muscle
>Hunting Grounds
A fairly inoffensive and yet profitable establishment, upscale and well-protected, and not a bad place in which to get a drop to drink.

Candidates:
>Ghoul Edward Rook, station in Hotel
>Associate with Fabian Nielsen
Ed's a good businessman, should help the hotel do well.

Contacts: Not a huge fan of these lists of companions, really, but
>Ezekial Aesmari is a kindred spirit (ha) if not actually my twin.
>Amanda Neumann is reasonable, and provides more paths to get blood in a consenting fashion.
>Nedjem is a good contact for the path to Golconda, and almost certainly a better guy than I am.


Chronicles: As my capacity for outright combat is...limited...many of these chronicles are realistically out of reach for me to pursue. However, I can do...

>Path to Golconda, seeking a state of equilibrium.
Kind of the main ideal here - not quite the silly sunpire of before, but still. Very desirable, and on a pragmatic level, the ability to effectively act in the daylight hours would be rather valuable against other vampiric creatures.
>Spirited Away. Likely best to destroy the seal; it's not terribly common that great forces for GOOD end up locked away like this.
>A Disappearing Act - save the sheep, naturally. Although since I'm Salubri, I'm not sure there IS a clan primogen to get a major boon on.
Haven't 'spent' the blood for these, would probably go towards celerity and presence.

And that is that, seems like a relatively decent foundation for things. Right?

>>96732971
>dying as a human/hobbit in LoTR just means you get to go meet Eru and live with him earlier
Why doesn't they all just kill themselves immediately then?

>>96732961
What makes longevity better than conditional immortality?
>>96732935
Personally, I'd seek a way to erase my memories if I got too bored. If the immortality doesn't allow even that then it's a true curse.

>>96732971
>To be fair, anon, (cope)
Imagine falling for religion even in your fantasies, cuck. I'm not going to pretend to be at someone's nonexistent mercy.

>>96732977
For one, Men (that includes their spinoffs like Hobbits) were beguiled by Morgoth in the beginning, and so are tainted by the fear of death. For two, not everyone knows this, this is knowledge the Elves got from the Valar, the Valar hate humans and don't interact with them, and the Elves all fled West or faded into spirits after the Third Age. And finally, suicide is a sin, and remember this is a Christian fanfiction setting. Tolkien believed ALL souls will be saved eventually, but that does still mean there's a purgatory (The Halls of Mandos) if you were sinful.

>>96732991
>ALL souls will be saved eventually
What about the elf souls?

Just read your build.
Sorry to say, it's shit. Do better next time.

>>96733007
>>96732971
>The most the elves can hope for is that Eru will let them live in that paradise too instead of dying with Arda.
Elves have no idea what will happen to them after Arda ends. They only have estell, hope and faith, that Eru has plans for them afterwards.

>>96733011
Well, darn. Thanks, though, I'll do that.

>>96732965
>>UPGRADED Traditional
You can only do one. Unless you rolled?

>>96733071
No, there was one choice that allowed you to upgrade something else from there, what was that now...yes, Favorable Beginnings under First Impressions, requires 10 favor but gives +5 fame and a free Upgrade from the Traits & Personality section.

>>96733093
Ah, I see

>>96731962
Erèdorn, Guardian of the Solar Light
>Era
The First Age (545, The War of Wrath)
>Alignment: Eru
Greater Purifications: Temperance, Diligence
Minor Purifications: Humility, Charity, Chastity
>Race
Maia
>Origin
Drop-In
>Songs of Power
Holy: Song of Healing, Song of Purification, Song of Protection, Song of Hallowing, Song of Light
Neutral: Song of Sight, Song of Strength, Song of Elements (Fire)
>Enhancements
Tier 3: Strength, Spirit, Endurance
Tier 1: Dexterity, Intelligence, Charisma
>Skills
Greater: Warrior (Surpassing Skill with Greatswords)
Minor: Ruler, Ranger, Rider
>Treasures
Wealth: Destitute
Mundane Items: Simple Weapon (Sword), Simple Armor (Metal)
>Drawbacks
Dark Thought (Capture)
Hunted (Strongest Servants of Darkness)
I'm Going on an Adventure! (Global/World-Changing Stakes)
Behind Enemy Lines

I was created at the exact moment the Valar decided to finally join the war against Morgoth.
My primary purpose is to fight the forces of darkness.

>>96731571
I thoroughly enjoyed Teraurge.

>>96733323
Fucking weird SAPIENT aliens is fine, but how many are just outright alien animals killed that one for me.

Rolled 9, 5, 3, 3, 18 = 38 (5d20)

>>96731360
rollan for clan, possible reroll, allegiance, and two sire traits.

>>96733323
V3 never ever

>>96733335
That's fair. Altho one of the characters is introduced as a strong predatory animal and latter revealed to be fully sapient but just standoffish without a way of being able to verbally communicate. So I guess the sapience of the random fauna could be up for debate.

It would be like fucking someone from an uncontacted and isolated tribe that had no comprehension of what we were, where we came from or how to even communicate with us.

>>96733348
It hurts bro. .

>>96733369
Would the average anon waifu a mole-woman?

>>96731336 (OP)
>>96729602
Thanks for the clarification, Sylen! Now that I've looked over the rest of the cyoa I'll make my build (>>96728266).

>>96728297
>decision paralysis thinking about different routes
Honestly the only downside of rolling is that it can make it hard for to create a solidly thematic build and often gives you fairly diverging paths you can take without being able to commit to all of them.

>>96731962
Man, I've really been in the mood for some LotR's media. But the thing is I just kinda wanna be some guy going on an adventure with some friends.

Kind of like 'Small Town Hero' but LotR's flavored.

I hate that the only LotR's vidya we'll ever get will have us be someone super important and badass doing major, setting critical stuff.

Maybe I should give the MMO a try (I really don't like MMO's) or just download that one M&B mod again.

Anyway this has been a good week for new OC.

>>96731962
How breedable are elves? I want to breed Calantiel and they stay young longer so she would be better than a human

>>96732943
>>96732965
Damn, AI sloppa is really taking off, you have a cute Sire. Would be terrible if something were to happen to her...

Rolled 16, 3, 12 = 31 (3d20)

>>96733345
correcting, mandated to roll for all traits

Galadriel elf milf feet...

>>96733604
She would have killed you for saying this when she was younger

This world belongs to Men.

>>96733007
Elves don’t have souls, silly.

>>96733667
This implies she would be fine with giving anon a footjob when she's older.

>>96733676
None of you are real men.

You now remember that Italics is till being held hostage by Elves.

>>96731336 (OP)
Anything stopping you from taking Ancient level Discipline without being a Gen7 and below ?

>>96733796
I am the immortal around and I spend my days raping lolis - by cyoag's standard I'm the realest man around.

>>96733829
No. Technically lore-breaking, but Sylen said it was fine.

>>96731391
So if your sire is with the Sabbat and you take Illegal Embrace do you take -20 Fame and +1 Favor or just the +1 Favor?

>>96733904
Just the +1 Favor

>>96733829
Generation mostly concerns itself with Blood Pool and how much Vitae you can concentrate for your Disciplines.

>>96731336 (OP)
Can someone that know the setting tell me what I can expect of Ancient Animalism ability to siphon powers ?

>>96733949
Drink blood from a bear and you literally become as strong as one. Heat vision from snakes etc. You take the abilities of the given animal and so on.

>>96733972
Does it work on supernatural creature ?

>>96734004
Sure does

There are anons right now that think a MILF/Mommy is a waifu character that is just an old hag in age.

>>96734030
>old hag in age.
Past 14 it's OVER.

>>96731336 (OP)
>>96728266
>17, 18, 14, 16, 7, 5, 8, 6, 11, 9

Sire: Medieval (8th Gen)
>[+20 Blood, +2 Common Disciplines, 2 Attributes, 6 Abilities]
Clan: Giovani
Affiliation: The Sabbat
Disciplines:
>Potence (A),
>Dominate (A),
>Necromancy (A),
>Celerity,
>Fortitude,
Traits and Personality: 14, 16, 7, 5, 8
>Traditional, +1 Favor & Fame
>Unhinged+, +3 Fame
>Loony in La La Land +, +5 Favor, -1 Fame, +1 Hook
>Infamous, +5 Favor, -3 Fame
>Preferred Sex, +1 Favor
>Attractive, -1 Fame
>Height Difference (Shorter), -1 Favor, +1 Fame
>Possessive Protectiveness, +3 Favor
Behind the Curtains: 6, 11, 9
>Feeder, +2 Favor, +1 Hook
>Illegal Embrace, -1 Favor
>Turf War, +2 Favor
>Loving Embrace, +5 Favor, -3 Fame
>Powerplay, +5 Favor & Fame
>Chain of Command, +1 Favor, +3 Fame
>Master in the Shadows, +3 Favor
Relationship Goals: Undying Love
Attributes: Bosy & Social+
Abilities:
>Etiquette
>Leadership
>Empathy
>Expression
>Subterfuge
>Alertness
>Athletics
>Melee
>Expert Knowledge (How to expertly manage a fiefdom in 16th century England.)

Me: Modern Nights (9th Gen)
>[+1 Attribute, +1 Hook, +7 Blood, -1 Favor, +1 Fame, +1 Notoriety
Clan: Giovanni
Banes:
>[The Sun (T3), Fire (T3), Manifestation (T3), Painful Kiss (T1)]
Disciplines:
>Potence (A),
>Dominate (A),
>Necromancy (A),
>Celerity,
>Fortitude,
Attribute: Mind
Abilities:
>Occult
>Awareness
>Streetwise
>Larceny
Candidate: Lydia Waters (Ghoul)
Contacts:
Attitude: Eager Servitude (+3 Favor & Fame)
First Impressions: No Introductions


Going to leave it here for now and refine before finishing it later. Will probably prune some of my sires Traits and Behind the Curtain options.

I feel like the 'Contact' section is a little tact on? Maybe limiting the amount you can take by how many 'Social' skills you have?

>>96733469
>you have a cute Sire. Would be terrible if something were to happen to her...
Oh, she is, and it would. Naturally, I would do all I could to prevent that. But of course, realistically, she's still more adept than I am in matters of physical conflict, unless what's needed is simple brute force.

(I tried to have her draw her gun in a blur of motion, to demonstrate great celerity, but alas for it did have any noticeable effect.)

>>96734104
Fucking BAAASED

>>96731962
>Circumstances: J.R.R. Tolkien [+20]

>Alignment: Eru

>Purifications:
Minor Chastity [+3]
Minor Kindness [+3]

>Race: Human; Numenorean [-4]

>Songs Of Power: None

>Enhancements:
Strength Tier 3 [-10]
Dexterity Tier 3 [-10]
Endurance Tier 3 [-10]
Luck Tier 3 [-10]

>Age: The Second Age

>Origin: Drop-In

>Skills:
Greater Warrior [-5]

>Companions:
Custom Companion (Soulmate) [-5]

>Treasures: Destitute

>Items:
Horse
Simple Gear
Mithril Armor [-2]
Divine Weapon [-10]

>Drawbacks:
Dark Thought [+10]
Hunted [+10]
I'm Going On An Adventure [+10]
Behind Enemy Lines [+10]

Setting the stage for a great Second Age hero, getting into all sorts of trouble and managing to walk it off. Should make for some rather fun stories. Custom companion would just be very similar to me, no need to go into specifics there.

>>96732943
>>96734104
Naisu builderu anon

>>96734206
>Naisu builderu anon
Danke schön.

post hell rebellion

>>96733676
You will serve the goddess(who is mysogynists) and like it.

>>96734334
>more arocringe

>Luminary-1 is forgotten
>Luminary-2 is Italics, so never ever
>Luminary-3 is Husanon and he disappeared
>Luminary-4 is a magical girl one
What's next?

>>96734612
Nobody, the cyoa nobody plays.

>>96734612
>Husanon and he disappeared
Wasn't he just here a couple days ago?

>>96734612
>What's next?
Tankista scrapped the idea before starting it.
>>Did your backburner also have a CYOA titled 'Luminary'?
>I thought it would be funny to name one of my future CYOAs that way, but considering the time it takes to make the stuff, the joke will be already dead and forgotten. Currently I have no Luminary CYOAs.

>>96734612
>Only the magical girl one was completed
the TRUE Luminary

>>96734644
>doesn't remember Lum-1
Truly forgotten...

>>96734612
It's cursed. I await the authors reporting that ever since they started writing "that" cyoa. Their dog died, they lost their job, they got canceraids, they got deported to Venezuela, etc.

>>96734646
If it were good, people would post it and it wouldn't be forgotten

>>96734651
>EA start to write Luminary
>wife has a miscarriage

Wanna hear something funny? I had cyoa in the works called Luminary. Which was basically about having swords with super powers and being able to forge new ones. It was heavily inspired by the zanpakutos from bleach. I gave up on it after husanon released his, but I guess I will be fine if I just change the name.

>>96734410
>spreading lies on the internet

>>96734612
>>Luminary-3 is Husanon and he disappeared
I'm here thought?

>>96734805
>Thought
I would never

>>96734805
Your Luminary isn't THOUGH.

>>96732943
What program do you use to make these?

>>96734591
thanks

>>96734812
oops...
>>96734816
It will one day...

>>96734871
Italics said the same thing about Echoes PSY a lifetime ago...

>>96731336 (OP)
cyoa for this feel?

>>96734899
the berserk cyoa

>>96734821
>What program do you use to make these?
Original images were made with midjourney, animated with a local instance of wan 2.2 image-to-video.

>>96734899
any cyoa where you don't pick the immortality option

>>96734899
the jujutsu kaisen cyoa that doesn't let you get any cursed technique gives me very "fuck it, we ball" vibes

>>96734899
or if you don't like anime slop then this one might be better

>>96735075
>Intelligence
>Curse Energy Skill
>Black Flash
I'm taking my powers and fucking off to somewhere else. No way am I getting involved.

>>96735075
Weapon Master
Physical Superiority
Intelligence
Instinct
Immense CEx2
This and leave Japan immediately

>>96731336 (OP)
>Whisper of the Ages
>2 points in exchange for 2 tiers of curses
This is so unbelievably trash.

>>96735176
Well, and both access/affinity to a particular discipline. The former is worth, theoretically, a hook (or a portion thereof), what you pay to unlock a discipline from a contact, and the latter is worth up to 3 more blood, for the discount in buying ancilla/elder/ancient levels.

Still, it is a bit dubious, ironically only someone who already has a great surfeit of blood is likely find it advantageous.

>>96734897
Magi Case released after a 10 Year Timeskip.

TRUST THE PLAN.

>>96734775
Don't change the name. Make Luminary 5.


>CAPTCHA: KOT

>>96735176
Yeah I think it gets completely blown out of the water by Accursed Wretch. Almost the exact same drawback, as I don't think people would spec into two curses since getting a huge vulnerability from a field that you didn't have before is much greater than upgrading that vulnerability to be devastating, and you get an Affinity in a Rare Discipline so your growth is way faster and in a section with Disciplines that offer a huge variety of skills in each one.

>>96735176
You're mistaken. You don't just gain 2 points, you gain affinity. It's like having an extra clan discipline. This is in exchange for curses, not a bane. Think of them as negative merits. It's not that big of a deal to have day sleep tier 2 or whatnot in exchange.

>>96731962
>>96733435
After taking a look at this it really can hit that 'Small Town Hero' sort of 'power level'. Really cozy.

The idea behind the build is that of a down on his luck vagabond that usually makes as a guide, messenger, scout or otherwise lives off the land. Spent a prolonged amount of time around the Shire where he met the Hobbits and ended up meeting Eadria and Dia for work in a tavern one night after hearing that they were looking for someone to that knew the land.

Purification of Eru:
>Humility, Minor (+3)
>Charity, Minor (+3)
>Chastity, Minor (+3)
>Kindness, Minor (+3)
>Diligence, Minor (+3)

Race: Human (Númenórean, -4)

Songs of Power:
>Song of Strength (-5)

Enhancements:
>Strength, Tier 1 (-2)
>Dexterity, Tier 1 (-2)
>Spirit, Tier 2 (-5)
>Endurance, Tier 1 (-2)
>Luck, Tier 2 (-5)

Era: The Third Age (early)

Origin: Commoner

Skills:
>Ranger, Minor (-2)
>Rider, Minor (-2)
>Healer, Minor (-2)
>Gardener, Minor (-2)

Companions: (-19)
>Billibald Boffin
>May Bracegirdle
>Dia Stoneshod
>Eadria
>Olran

Wealth: Indebted (+3)

Mundane Items:
>Simple Gear (wilderness survival)
>Horse
>Simple Weapon (bow) (-1)

Drawbacks:
>I'm going on an Adventure, Minor (+10)
>Don't you leave him! (+5)

>>96734203
Nice build. Would be interesting to see you make a second build as a distant ancestor.

>>96734612
If you are unsure of who is going to win. You can always bet on Italics.

>>96735334
The never ever author? The "got a cold, CYOA delayed for three months" author? The ADHD "but what if I started a 25th project" author?

>>96735334
>TWO luminaries release years before comes out.

>>96735075
-Intelligence
-Instinct
-Skill
-Cursed energy 2x

I'm confident that with these options I can eventually become immortal and create my own cursed technique.

>>96735397
>-Intelligence
Not an option offered. Did you mean intellegence?

>>96735397
what's tok cursed technique

>>96735453
Discipline

>>96735453
DISCIPLINE, of course. You know it in your heart of hearts.

>>96735347
>The ADHD "but what if I started a 25th project" author?
Never happened.

>The "got a cold, CYOA delayed for three months" author?
You now remember Italics hurt his back causing Magi Case to be delayed by a week before its final release.

I see why authors keep going back to the good ol' regen croc. Dare I reinvent the wheel?

>>96735910
Imagine it, regen gator instead.

>>96735917
self-heal gator* fify

>>96731962
This CYOA is an outrageous misinterpretation and a fundamental twisting of Tolkien's Lord of the Rings.

>>96732965
Holy shit! AI IS GETTING MORE AND MORE ACCURATE AHHHH!!!!! I hope for sexbots soon!! AHHHH!!
mfw

>>96736009
Explain yourself please. I made a build for it. I have not read the books but what is different in the CYOA from the original?

>>96731962
Humans are automatically the optimal choice because only they go to heaven

>>96736047
Tolkiens books are 95% smoking weed and rambling about life and how its better to just sit around bumming all day and having a great time smoking LOTS of fucking weed and being a hobo etc etc etc and then 5% yapping about this great gigachad warrior whose going to megablast that dark army over there.

Anon is mad that the CYOA concerns itself with that 5% only

Evil is always used to develop Good characters. All evil anons job before moralfags.

>>96732991
>the Valar hate humans
Where did you get that? From my reading of the Silmarillion, the Valar simply didn't want humans moving to Valinor. Buyer's remorse from all the shit the elves got into, perhaps.

The destruction of Numenor was retaliation for that one king trying to force the issue by (basically) invading Valinor. But I don't remember any particular enmity towards humanity.

>>96732766
>Technically, Valar and Maiar can live forever as long as they stay in Valinor doing basic shit. But the One Ring of Sauron was made to stop his diminishment. And it worked. If he had taken back the One Ring at the end of the Third Age, he would have been just as powerful as he was when he lost it at the end of the Second Age.
I'm not sure where you're getting all this. Valinor wasn't some place that magically granted immortality. The Valar were already immortal when they came to Arda. That's why the best they could do with Melkor/Morgoth was exile him to the void.

And the powers of Sauron and the Istari weren't diminished with the passing of the Ages. Sauron moved a bunch of his permanent mana pool into the One Ring in a bid to escape his post-Melkor punishments and limitations. That's why he was diminished.

As for the Istari, they had much of their power and skills sealed away by the Valar before being sent to Middle Earth. The wars against Melkor had done massive damage to the world. Mountains turned to valleys, seas dried up . . .And the Valar weren't eager to clean up the damage from yet another sorcerous war. So they artificially limited the abilities of the Istari.

The only beings who "diminish", so to speak, were the elves and hobbits. Elves who stayed in Middle Earth would eventually turn into nature spirits. . .which could be considered a form of apotheosis. And the hobbits would become smaller and more mystical, easy for humans to not notice.

I don't think we ever got an answer on dwarves or ents. Meanwhile, Tom Bombadil and Buttercup are presumably still living in their forest college.

>>96732629
>96732629
>Can any Tolkien buffs tell me what kind of fun activities I can do in Middle Earth? Aside from the movies I watched as a kid I don't know much about the lore and setting. I'm also not interested in going to war or ruling.
Then you actually have a pretty good handle on the setting. The movies didn't include everything, but there's definitely enough there to grasp what's possible. It's basically the secret history of Earth, set in the last era of real magic.

(Dungeons and Dragons was heavily influenced by it, if that helps)

To be honest, I find the setting kind of depressing. The big decisions are already locked in - either the world will give up its magic, or be enslaved by evil. Neither of which I like.

I can see raiding the setting to salvage what you can, and taking your spoils to a new setting. But it's not really somewhere I'd want to move to.

>>96736488
Supposedly there would be new magic in the next age, with humans using magic. However when Tolkien got to writing a about that new age he ended up deciding that it wasn't worth writing. It seems the natural direction to take things was dark and unpleasant, and so it seems he decided that it would be a story he wouldn't want to read, so he didn't want to write it.

>>96731371
>>96731420
If the Antediluvians (the 3rd Generation) still exist - or ever existed - they'd be powerful beyond recognition. They've all broken the true cap on their powers long ago, and - as one anon put it - they'd be pretty godlike.

(The Tzimisce antediluvian is a city-sized tentacle monster at this point, for example.)

According to legend, the only sucessful diablerization of a 3rd gen happened in the Second City, thousands of years ago, before the power gap got so wide. Meanwhile the actual documented attempts from more recent eras didn't go so well.

Fourth or Fifth generation is hardly a come down, though. You're talking beings with powers who could beat down Superman, whose schemes span the globe, and who command literal armies when they want to.

>>96731574
>>insatiable thirst they can only fill with the blood of their childe
>Why don't they just learn Bardo? Are they stupid?
In the tabletop lore, it's because the Antediluvians re planning to use the massive rush of power (from devouring their childer) to permanently reshape the universe in their own image.

>>96736562
>planning to use the massive rush of power (from devouring their childer) to permanently reshape the universe in their own image.
Crazy how many powerful beings could stop this, but just won't, pretty sure only the technocracy and archmages will bother

>>96731336 (OP)
Does Mark Cain only lock you out of the Ancient rank of the Discipline you chose or the entire discipline?

>>96735075
>Immense CE *8
>Intellegence
>Instinct

>>96735176
>>96735234
I think Accursed Wretch is worse, it requires you to only take only one curse yes but it need to be at the Bane level while with Whisper of the Ages you can take a Tier in two of Daysleep, Deathly, Rare Taste or Obsession which isn't too bad.
You also gain an Affinity from both though Accursed Wretch seem to not be a legit Affinity and more you got training every night whether you want it or not.

>>96731336 (OP)
>>96731383
I think Oneiromancy second sentence should have uncertain instead of certain.

>>96736722
The fuck are you gonna do with a cursed energy pool 4x the size of Sukuna's?
Genuine question

>>96736814
Explode.

>>96736814
First learn reinforcement, second learn to throw hands, now that I'm too tough for most thing to hurt me thanks to all that CE, improve control and learn whatever other skill I might want.
How much CE you have is the hardest thing to work around, you could get Skigigami Mastery but if you don't have big enough CE reserve you're not gonna make a grade 1 Shikigami for example.

>>96736814
Make sorcerers and cursed spirits shit their pants in his presence, he can be the King(opm) of jjk before he does this >>96736850

>>96736850
Reserves ≠ Output. You may have practically infinite amounts of CE but your output is the average Special Grade Sorcerer at most. Without the output to match, high reserves only matter if you have an extremely draining Innate Technique, which unfortunately this cyoa doesn't give you.

>>96736814
Isn't it only 2x?

>>96735075
>>96736830
that is a pathetic build if they want to explode, this one is better for that:

>immense CE x11
equal to 5.5 yutas or 2.2 sukunas

>curse energy trait (volatile)
my cursed energy is highly unstable and could be made to explode

PLAN:
>as soon as I spawn I make a permanent binding vow that I will only explode my CE if its ALL of it at the same time and killing myself in the process to boost the power and range of it
>hide and wait for gojo x sukuna's inevitable fight
>run in like a mad man and shout "ALLAHU AKBAR" nuking them both (I doubt even gojo's infinity would block ALL of it)
>I die as the CHAD who solo'd both gojo and sukuna at the same time, cementing my legend as THE STRONGEST™

>>96736865
Think Output is covered by Cursed Energy skill, or did the author just screw you?

>>96736870
lmao

>>96736878
It gives you "half of Yuta's curse energy" it doesn't say anything about output.

>>96736878
>>96736885
Oh never mind you're talking about Sukuna's talent. Still, my point stands "understanding and manipulation" of CE have nothing to do with output.

>>96736867
Yeah, I fucked up. Sukuna has twice the cursed energy of Yuta and that option gives you half of Yuta's.
>>96736878
I also think that the skill option at least implies you also have Sukuna's output, which is probably one of the highest in the series.
This is why skill is the best option here, you get the talent of the biggest prodigy in history.

>>96736897
Manipulation has everything to do with output, bro. It's both output and effeciency.

>>96736918
Sure bro, have fun headcanoning.

>>96736865
So, trading 1,5 Yuta of CE for Shikigami Mastery and spend a day slowing drawing out 2,5 Yuta of CE from youself to work around shit Output all to make a Shikigami with 2,5 Yuta of CE is a better option ?

>>96736938
I accept your concession.

>>96736939
Yes, shikigamis work well with high reserves. See Yuta & Rika/ Sukuna & the Ten Shadows.

>>96736949
I learned from experience that arguing with jjktards is an exercise in futility. So sure, I concede to your retardation. Through Heaven and Earth, You Alone Are The Retarded One.

>>96736870
Mei Mei's bird strike can kill a special grade in a single hit because apparently suicide attacks, even those made by birds, get a massive power boost, so honestly this final explosion might make the Shibuya incident seem like childs play

>>96736938
What do you think "manipulation" even means in this context then? Efficiency and output seem to be the implied effects. Efficiency being how much energy you waste and output being how much energy you can use at any given time. Yuta has shit effeciency and high output because he has so much energy he can force a higher output even if it's terribly wasteful. But the other characters with high output also seem to have high efficiency. Like Gojo, Sukuna and that dude with the weird hair.

>>96736970
You have made no points and now you're crying like a child. It's almost amusing.

>Tank's still answering questions on reddit
I hope he's still working on lotm

>>96736977
Fine I'm bored, so I'll entertain your inane schematics. "Manipulation" refers your skill in controlling the Curse Energy that you have, so stuff like how well you use your technique, barriers, binding vows, etc...
It has no correlation with "Output" which is a separate tangible attribute that refers to how much CE you can utilize at once. Output and Reserves are basically two sides of the same coin. If you're going to argue that CE manipulation gives you a high output, then you're also arguing that it gives high reserves at once, which is retarded.
The Ryu guy from the culling games has the highest Output in history, able to launch CE like dbz energy beams. If Sukuna's talent in CE Manipulation gave him Output as you said, then why doesn't Sukuna ever use the same ability in the show?
The real answer is that the author is a retarded redditor who made a low effort "cyoa" and forgot to include Output and Innate Techniques.

>>96735075
Immense CE x12
Shikigami Mastery

Just going to do everything remotely with Shikigami, getting too close to the plot is immensely stupid.

>>96736658
No, the entire Discipline.

>>96735075
Surprised more people aren't taking Weapon Master and Shikigami Mastery, as they can grant you Grade 1 status on their own (along with a single purchase of immense CE for Shikigami). Taking options to enhance them is an easy path to Special Grade.

Doesn't Black Flash restore all your CE anyway? Just throw some punches until you Black Flash if you need more CE, one or two Immense CE is more than enough with it.

So my build (>>96736722) will need to focus on learning Barrier and Shikigami making to work around a presumably average output, let's hope Intellegence help with learning the part of those skills that aren't about ce control.

>>96731336 (OP)
Wait, how does one get Thaumaturgy or Necromancy at Ancient level? I understand the paths stopping at level 3, but the discipline itself can go higher (for rituals). Also, some NPCs (Samael Salir and Michael Moranis) have those disciplines at Ancient level.

>>96735075
>Weapon Master
>Immense CE x3
>Curse Energy Skill
>Physical Superiority

You are not worthy as my opponent!

>>96737108
Last time, some argue that you can only make shit shikigami because all shikigami outside a special few were shit in canon, some would likely also argue that since you don't have a ct yourself your shikigami can't have one either (you can't imbue it with your own or craft one up for the shikigami since that don't happen in canon).

>>96737144
I want to say top 3, but Sukuna and Daido are bs so I can't say you wouldn't be able to replicate the world cutting slash. The only thing holding you back is a lack of reverse-cursed technique.

>>96737045
I'm not the anon who called you "bro".

You do realize that you're arguing that output (the literal ability to manipulate a higher amount of cursed energy at the same time) has NOTHING to do with the option that gives you Sukuna's MANIPULATION of cursed energy, correct?
Sukuna can copy Mahoraga, that was how he created the World Cleave. So if you're arguing that he can't copy Ryu, I would have to disagree. If he can copy Gojo healing his brain just by seeing it once, and if he can copy mahoraga's adaptation, then he can also copy Ryu. He just never had a reason to do that, his cursed technique is much better than Ryu's cursed shots.
Output and Reserves are not exactly to sides of the same coin, it just stands to reason that if you have more energy, then you can force a higher output like Yuta does. I don't think it was ever implied that Ryu had high cursed energy. He was able to do the shots just through sheer skill. This is why I attribute efficiency and output as two related aspects, because with one exception, all the people we see with high output also have high efficiency, both of which can easily mean manipulation. It is not a big logical leap at all.

>>96737120
I don't think it restores all of it, but it does restore a significant amount along with giving you a temporary buff to efficiency and output. The effects also stack, apparently.

>>96737167
>some argue that you can only make shit shikigami because all shikigami outside a special few were shit in canon
I'd give this credence if it didn't compare you to Tengen. Tengen's barrier mastery is better than most cursed techniques, and she's the only character to actually counter an open domain(I'm not counting Gojo's basketball domain because that's more a way to lose slower than actually countering it). Pretty sure that was her second time seeing one too, but I can't prove that.

>>96737169
He can just learn reverse cursed energy on the fly. He has Sukuna's skill.

>>96737210
I won't deny that the cyoa is kinda shit tho
Raw nothing says you have cursed energy by default or that it's enough to be a sorcerer. A lot of the options might be useless for you if you don't buy immense CE at least once.

>>96736595
>pretty sure only the technocracy and archmages will bother
They don't. The Technocracy nuked a third of fucking India by smashing the big red button Team America style when trying to deal with a cranky Antediluvian that just woke up. It was the single dumbest thing in the entire World of Darkness, other than perhaps the Massassa war.

>>96737263
Could you elaborate on that? I know very little about WoD but the antediluvians seem like a cool aspect of it.

>>96736595
Because Antediluvians are crazy powerful, and other crazy powerful beings in the setting are either too sleepy to fuck with them, or don't give a fuck due to them serving their plans. Technocracy literally had to team up with three Bodhisattva asian vampires so they could fight Ravnos, and no one is even sure they killed him since he could bend reality with his illusions.
>>96737263
Massassa war was alright, and the Week of Nightmares was kind of necessary. It's funny how fags nowadays want to pretend that WoD is a pure horror setting when in fact it's full of camp and crazy bullshit.

Why is the protagonist of the VTM game so strong when he's supposed to be a thin blooded (or at least high gen) shitter? Am I missing something?

>>96737291
The protag from Bloodlines is an eighth generation, judging by the size of his blood pool. As for now, he accomplishes these things; there are multiple answers ranging from "he gets a boost from the Withering" to "Caine is giving him a blowjob". The most plausible explanation is that in-game progression replicates tabletop progression, since active player characters tend to grow significantly faster compared to inactive NPCs who do jackshit all day. Since the PC goes through tons of combat and kills a lot of scary shit, it's no wonder that by the end he's a 500+ XP killing machine only held back by his generational limit.

>>96737307
Wait, so people theorize that Caine was somehow making him stronger? Huh

>>96737307
Is there an in-setting mechanism for why adventuring should make your magic stronger?

>>96737136
Maybe combo the rank 3.

>>96737367
You mean buying two paths at level 3?

>>96731336 (OP)
Got two build idea not sure which to go with, 8th gen working to become human and awaken or 5th gen with Ancient Animalism to stack powers from any and all lifeforms that have blood (maybe get Affinity for all the Disciplines and the equivalent of others supernatural).

Does anyone remember that cyoa where your guardian angel said he fucked up and as an apology he reincarnates you into a new family as a teen, but all of the options are girls that a clearly horny for you? There are two DLCs where he comes back with new options and to expand the family with cousins and aunts. I was sure it was called like serene serenity or something but I can't find it.

>>96736433
>>96736488
>>96736527
Magic to Tolkien was just... perception. He called it enchantment. He directly compared machinery to magic. We see it differently. The way the elves don't view themselves as magical beings. It's relative. The elves view the wizards the same way that men view the elves. Enigmas. The dark side of this is something that's too horrific, such as in the case of war, which was indistinguishable from witchcraft, in Tolkien's eyes. He truly believed that we (humans) could be living together with nature in more harmonic, artistic, beautiful ways, and this is what the elves of his world represent. Mordor is applicable to the modern day world, and the hideousness and abuses of industry and infrastructure, war, etc.

Gandalf isn't actually a wizard back home in Valinor. He describes what he does as magic, or spells, but it's like moderated breathing and/or higher knowledge to him. He's the equivalent of an alien stage magician, or sage, sent by higher powers to reinforce a prime directive sort of situation, Star Trek style, so the lesser races can become more self sufficient. He's not meant to be a crutch. He's humble in guise. He doesn't teach sorcery, or form cults, via abuses of ignorance (the magician chalks it up to enchantment alone, while the sorcerer or charlatan weaponizes ignorance itself) the way Sauron is doing. He (Gandalf) creates fireworks to bring out joy and laughter, while Saruman (the wizard who rebelled) uses it (blackpowder) in explosive weapons of war.

Magic is an air, and being a wizard is an image, or a station. In the books, Gandalf actually has a little wizard-off with Denethor, a human, who is a lot different from his movie counterpart. All you need is sufficient presence, sageliness, etc.

>>96737423
Geenymous?

>>96737399
2 or more yes, and maybe use multiple together, you can probably combo the element magics (like Lure of Flames) with Elemental Mastery, or Path of Mars with Focused Mind.

>>96737451
Yeah, I suppose it makes sense one should have to master two paths before being able to claim Ancient level on Thaumaturgy/Necromancy.

>>96737282
>Massassa war was alright
It was full on comedy. Hermetics had ALL the tools to blow the everloving fuck out of the Tremere, but they didn’t because they would rather DIE than work together with that asshole who mocked his ritual robes.

The joke is that Hermetics -cannot- work together, while the vampires (specifically the Tremere - a former house of the Hermetics), and the Technocracy, can. This is also why the Technocracy is winning. Old hardened bureaucrat in business suits handle shit better than fat Wicca chicks who complain about the patriarchy. The traditions are all catty bitches.

See, the thing to get about Mage is that the “flaw” of mages is they squabble and that stops them from being able to achieve ascension. The traditions squabble the most, while the technocracy doesn't squabble enough (they're like the Borg in denial).

The Garou (werewolves) flaw is that they are raging murder furries/hippies that can’t chill out. Vampires are just evil though, leeches gotta go

>Vampires are just evil though, leeches gotta go

:(

>>96737503
>The Garou (werewolves) flaw is that they are raging murder furries/hippies that can’t chill out
Still hilarious how they caused 70% of their problems by genociding every other shifter race

Why does the Technocracy act like they’re different from the Sons of Ether (those insane scientists who refused to leave the Victorian era)? Unionists are all stuck in the 1990s the same way the Etherites are all stuck in the 1890s.

Did the Union just decide “Yes, the 90s were the aesthetic peak of science, yes.”

Mage is the funniest of the WoD lines.

>>96737503
>Old hardened bureaucrat in business suits handle shit better than fat Wicca chicks who complain about the patriarchy
KEK

>>96737518
They're arguably the lowest IQ splat.

>>96737542
>arguably

>>96736377
The Valar are noted not to want to associate with humans for a couple reasons. One is that Eru's plan for Men was hidden from them, with only Manwe, Ulmo, and Mandos knowing a little (and not much,) so they're scared of breaking something. The other is that Men dying as they do is disturbing to them, and they want to stay away from that ickiness. Finally, it's specifically noted that Men are in the Valar's eyes akin in nature to how Melkor was before his fall, and this is something that makes them inherently uncomfortable with them. The result of this is that the Valar abandoned Men to suffer under Morgoth and Sauron after their birth, with only Ulmo caring enough to do something about it (and his method to get Manwe to care had to involve making a half-elf because he sure couldn't be fucked to care about a human.)

The Valar would NEVER intervene to help Men the way they did the Elves, even the War of Wrath was mainly just about rescuing the dumbass Noldor and dragging them back to Valinor, Men and their lives were a complete afterthought. Hell, their 'reward' for fighting and dying in that War was just shitty Numenor, which was explicitly inferior to Tol Eressëa in every single way, let alone Valinor, which shows how little they think of Men. The Valar couldn't even be fucked to give Men equal reward, they had to treat them lesser in every single way and interaction. So I'm equating stated discomfort (in how the Valar feel about the nature of Men) and displayed indifference and belittlement (in all their actions throughout the Silmarillion) with active dislike.

>>96737602
The elves are jealous of the nature of men's souls. Elves are so perfect and long lived that they cannot see the imperfection and flawed nature of the fleeting lives of men as being a sort of beauty or perfection in its own way. The elves are of purest Art, and are averse to flaws and imperfections. I always saw elves as uncanny valley. Something too perfect. Like Nordic aliens.

The unchained nature of men's souls might also remind the elves that they are essentially trapped in their world, at least until its own demise, while men are sent to fates unknown after passing through the halls, likely to Eru himself. Perhaps the elves are just sworn to the world in ways that men just aren't.

>>96737671
We're not talking about the elves, I just don't have an anti-Valar picture to illustrate my post with. The elves had the Edain serve them, and they sent men gifts from Tol Eressea, it's not their fault the Valar gave men an explicitly inferior and shitty island, they didn't refuse to help or care about men. The ones who did that were the Valar, who I'm chiefly concerned with criticizing here.

>>96737676
All non-men are in the same boat. Human souls are le speshul.

>>96737701
The Valar know their own fate to rejoin Eru and sing the Second Music, so your argument about how elves don't know their fate and such doesn't apply to them. I think you're trying to create some kind of tangent and avoid what I'm actually trying to talk about, and I don't understand why.

>>96737730
Doesn't matter. The Valar ultimately do not know where human souls go. Tolkien was a Christian. This is a "fundamentally Christian work", and he obviously thinks human souls are superior.

>>96737763
>>96737730
>you're trying to create some kind of tangent and avoid what I'm actually trying to talk about, and I don't understand why.

>>96737770
I accept your concession.

>>96737815
>anime poster

>>96737020
> 8. Is Feodwra's magic capable of recovering the 2nd Seat's missing piece?

> Yes.

Second war of heaven and earth lets goooo, dont need to beg YMRD for that

>>96737832
Anime site.

Tolkien was a tree hugger and would have posted on Reddit had he lived long enough to see it.

>>96737851
Sure anon, the guy who doesn't even do his job or look over the site is totally a respectable information source.

>Anons see a well-reasoned post about LoTR lore
>Hey I want to turn this into normal /cyoag/ shitposting!

>>96737511
Vampires exist to be bodied by other splats.

>>96737880
And older vampires

>>96737846
That question was asked ten thousand times, this isn't new information.

All vampires and werewolves are inferior to mages and exist only to serve them.

>>96737920
>hermetic jobber seconds before getting torn apart by a garou in Crinos

>>96737928
>thinking that werewolf wasn't already wearing the sex collar and "torn apart" means having your ass ravaged
Idiot.

>>96737938
>homo furry
As expected of hermetic deviants

>>96737331
The cab driver is Caine and he clearly likes you, so it's not impossible.

evil cackling mage with a dumb werewolf minion that always messes up his plans

>>96737920
Reminder what get of fenris were used as a mounts by changelings.

>>96737445
The better example is how the Hobbits perceive Aragorn as using healing magic on them when really all he was doing was using advanced herblore.

>>96737982
Drop a candy bar wrapper into the past and it's a form of magic.

>>96737982
The old word for pharmacy originally meant sorcery =/

>>96737503
>The Garou (werewolves) flaw is that they are raging murder furries/hippies that can’t chill out.
To the point where they genocided all the other Ferra and ruined everything because of how retarded and angry they are.

>>96737518
>>96737542
>>96737590
>>96738015
rageeeeee

>>96737524
The Sons of Ether were originally part of the Technocracy, but an internal political powerplay in the group saw the wider organization outlaw the concept of Aether, which the Sons of Ether built their identity around. So they had no choice but to dissolve or leave the Technocracy, which they did, and joined the Traditions to survive. The Void Engineers are on the cusp of a similar situation, where they're on the edge of what the current staid elites of the Technocracy are willing to allow and internal politics are moving to boot them out because they don't align with the grey miserable world the Technocracy is increasingly trying to create (their original purpose/goal being corrupted,) which is why they're in private talks with the Sons of Ether in case THEY need to book it to the Traditions in the future. But this depends on edition, some editions tried to redeem the Technocracy by having bright-eyed younglings boot out the guys in charge, but I think it's misguided to try and un-villain your villains like that, it removes legitimate conflict.

>>96737981
This is oWoD, oWoD changelings are basically just people who get together and larp being old fae nobles on the weekends to keep from dying of depression.

>>96738014
Yes and wizard originally just meant a wise man, scholar, or astrologist.

>>96737447
Yes, how the fuck is that the name? I searched for it and it was the right one but I still can't see the name anywhere. Thanks.

I think the most retarded thing about oWoD is pretending that all the splats exist simultaneously. Lupines aren't Garou.

>>96738072
Its in the book of lost dreams.
CTD, oWoD.

>>96738103
You are free to make that choice.

>>96738163
I don't believe in choices. Anyone who does something other than exactly what I want is a fucking faggot.

Fucking retards.

>>96731962
> Alignment: Nada
> Race: Numenorean
> Songs Of Power: Song Of Strength, Song of Crafting
> Enhancements: Spirit Tier 3, Intelligence Tier 1, Appearance Tier 1, Luck Tier 1
> Era: Third Age
> Origin: Nobility
> Skills: Ruler(Minor), Smith(Greater), Riding(Minor), Warrior(Minor)
>Items: Destitute. Simple Armor, Simple Weapon, Horse
> Drawbacks: I'm going on an adventure! Behind Enemy Lines, Exile

The plan to get out from enemy lines is simple: Sing the fuck out of that horse and just skedaddle

From there get the starting gear boosted up before going on the big quest to get back nobility

the plan after that is to make really fucking good gear as a way to live comfortably, leave some neat shit for people to bust out if some evil or something crops back up

probably not gonna solo kill any dragons but thats what friends are for, probably

>>96738233
Be polite.

>>96737020
>lotm
Wonder how many anons will try to go Lord of the Mysteries

In WoD, the top vampire-controlled muggle institutions are mostly just stuff like large corporations; the actual top people in the world like the heads of state of US and China are not mind controlled by vampires. Is that right? If yes, why?

>>96737846
We've known this forever. Starsight x2 autocomplete is also a confirmed-to-be-viable option. Both of them require that you get access to the throne room (which the king isn't going to give freely) and that you be very skilled with the tool you're using.

>>96737846
But the real problem was that it can't be activated without killing everyone like the mudman king from Savmak's time almost did. Or have I missed discussion and that's not a big deal for some reason?

>>96738659
It's not activating it that make the apocalypse happen, it's the requirements to do so. Those requirements -- a second war of heaven and earth -- are conveniently already met for you, because of 0^0.

Rolled 12 (1d12)

>>96731336 (OP)
Sire's gen seems strange to just pick.

>>96738629
Because those people are controlled by the Technocracy.

>>96738757
>highest amount of room to climb
You lucky dog

>>96738677
If what Charlie did was enough by itself, Vtorusha would have come back already.

>>96738791
Only if we assume she'll immediately wake up once the conditions are fulfilled, instead of someone still needing to wake her up

>LOTR and VTM spearing in the same thread
Never change /cyoag/

https://imgchest.com/p/qe4gx8lqryj
>predecessor kills everyone else, kick the ladder and antagonize you
>her extended psychotic break originates from how uncaring the "gods" were
>leave you alone if you don't disrupt the status quo
>Charlotte gets simps, Kleidi don't
Why?

>>96731336 (OP)
How strong are people from the 1st and 2nd generations?

>>96738869
>1st

You FUCKING lose.

>>96738840
>Kleidi
Do you mean Ivory? Also, Charlotte's atrocities are more disconnected from you(aside from not letting you choose stuff), Ivory destroyed Earth (so she killed all your loved ones and everything), then proceeded to hypocritically go on about how she has the moral high ground and you should just give up and let her go around doing similar things, all for the greater good of course.

>>96738886
Can they beat Goku though?

>>96738840
This one is also too railroaded to feel personally invested in. Then in the sequel the evil bitch is just around, canonizing that she was spared when I would never do that.

>>96738869
A single third-generation waking up is considered an Extinction-level event. The only first generation is Cain himself, and that nigga's power is literally "can do whatever he wants".

>>96738869
The Second Generation all died before Caine instated blood thinning, back in their day ALL vampires had the same potential power.

>>96738869
>1st
Top 5 in the setting, where he is there is debatable but he's top 5
>2nd
Extinction level even unless other top tiers step in to stop it(they won't)

>>96738921
Everything except die or stop the retardation of his children.

>>96738941
based immortalchad

>>96738941
>stop the retardation of his children.
He can do that, he just doesn't give a fuck.

>>96738941
His children being retarded is part of his curse from God, everything he tries to build will be torn apart by senseless murder. Same way he cursed everyone Lilith loves to betray her. All the innocent people sucked into this and who suffer as a consequence is irrelevant to oWoD God, he only cares about spiting the ones who defied him.

>>96738902
anyone have the wip?

Why is VtM God so obsessed with Cain?

>>96738902
Sorry but you lost to pussy.

>>96738624
Hopefully none because they will inevitably fail, but you just know there would still be a few.

>>96738791
The second war hasn't begun in earnest yet. Both sides are still mustering their forces. Also, she had Nilmatrix arrange for the throne to be broken ahead of time. The missing piece has the instructions necessary for how to actually awaken her once the conditions are met (see: https://www.reddit.com/r/makeyourchoice/comments/1mwbkpv/comment/nfl6rc2/ ). It's technically optional in that you might be able to figure out the necessary stuff without it by learning all the ancient secrets in, for example, Polkan's companion quest, but until someone does that, nobody can awaken her even if the conditions are met.

This isn't speculation. The conditions are directly stated in the Living Warmachina extended race description that "to produce a loophole which would free her from the logic error, the world would need to match the circumstances in which the Old Throne had been created".

>>96738986
>reddit
so this iis the true face of orfags

>>96738980
There's no universe where I would lose to hag beef.

>>96739006
Author answers questions there. Some people here actually like CYOAs and read author Q&As where they happen.

>>96739020
Sorry but it's canon. You can pretend you got fooled by a loli version of her lmao

>>96738975
That's just god being god.

>“Canst thou draw out Leviathan with a fish-hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down? Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn? Will he make many supplications unto thee? will he speak soft words unto thee? Will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever? WILT THOU PLAY WITH HIM AS WITH A BIRD?”

>“Sheesh,” said Ally Hu, who was reading ahead in our shared copy. “God is so obsessed with this whole Leviathan thing. First He is talking about the earth and the stars and the clouds, and then He decides no, I will just drop everything and focus on Leviathan for three chapters.”

>“God is canonically really obsessed with Leviathan,” I said. “In the Talmud, Rav Yehuda says that there are twelve hours in a day. God spends three of them studying Torah, three judging the world, three answering prayers, and three playing with Leviathan. That’s a quarter of God’s time, which you have to imagine is pretty valuable.”

>>96738975
Because Caine defying him and refusing to bow down despite him layering curses on the guy was a huge ego check for him. Remember that oWoD God is probably just an overgrown, evil Celestine (planet spirit) who had no hand in creating humans, not some divine, merciful creator.

Did no one put the wip pages for ultimate god on imgchest? I remember someone posting the link, but I can't find it

>>96739038
read them on the google drive instead of going to that shit site

>>96739143
The drive only compiles the Q&As from Q&A days here. Which are <10% of the questions he answers.

>>96738902
You could always headcanon that you jobbed in Nexus and failed to kill her

>>96739193
>picturing yourself losing in escapism games

>>96738983
>they will inevitably fail
Nah, I'd win, but I'll be a bro and let Klein have it

>>96738983
>inevitably

True nature of fate is chaos, not even CoI and GoF can really change that. Everything is possible.

>>96739198
>Gary Stu self-insert
ewww

>>96739244
>he can't into power fantasy
Go back

>>96739203
>gets mpreg'd

>>96739193
Why would I want to do that?

>>96739249
>Cringe and boring even in his fantasies.
lel

Reawakening Vtorusha is easy because it's a bad idea.
You really think Jdan didn't think of doing that?

>>96739249
>story without any setback, stakes nor sense beyond "LOOK HOW COOL I AM"
Boring. Meaningless even.

>>96739249
Back where? You think redditors don't like to imagine themselves as super awesome guys who always win and everybody admires?

All Klein imitators will job to Amon.

>>96739272
Losing and dying forever isn't a setback, anon. Setbacks have to be recoverable.

>>96739269
Muddish kings have been failing to bring back Vtorusha for centuries, and he wouldn't be able to do his loop thing if she did wake up(the Old Throne is part of her mech)

>>96739269
If it ever happened in any of his futures, he wouldn't have been able to rewind back to now (since Vtorusha would be controlling the mech, not Jdan). But he's still giving money to Vesryn (son of the man who translated the inscription in the modern era) and seems to be conspiring with Dirk (who is possibly the only living person who knows what was on the missing piece).

>>96739274
Good thing I'm going Demon of Knowledge instead
Kinda hope it isn't multiplayer so I won't have to fight other anons over who gets it

>choose your own adventure
>"noooo, not like that, you're supposed to job and die at the end"
LMAO you fuckers have the most retarded fights I've ever seen

>>96739327
Most anons will be focused on God Almighty, methinks.

>>96739273
Reddit isn't an actual website or the people on it. It's an amalgamation of everything that anon happens to dislike at any given moment.

>>96739307
>>96739334
>either win everything or die like a jobber

>>96739336
>Trying to get Adam'd
Chasing Pillars brings nothing but suffering
Although the rewards may be worth it

>>96739327
>>96739336
I'm more of a Calamity of Destruction fan myself.

>>96739339
If reddit did not exist, it would be necessary to invent it.

>>96739370
Absolute madman. Are you ready to be turned into a statue and raped by a hyperyandere?

>>96739323
>keter didn't even look at it after stealing it
figures

>>96739403
Yes, expect I'm doing the raping.

>>96739370
Never forget, futa is the superior gender.

https://imgchest.com/p/9ryd6q89a7k

>>96739339
>It's an amalgamation of everything that anon happens to dislike at any given moment.
I already use Tok for that thoughbeitfully.

>>96739344
My point is that if you cannot choose then it isn't a cyoa. The powerfag is right in the sense that him "winning" must at least be an option. Making an antagonist that you cannot defeat is retarded. Even 0^0 who literally usurped the powers of a god can be defeated in OR.

>>96739339
Reddit's user base is broad enough that you can do that without being wrong.

fear of death is the #1 cause of jobbing
don't let it be (you)

>>96739433
>feel the pain of being punched in the breasts AND the pain of being kicked in the dick
>superior

>>96739414
In her defense, she was being lied to and getting casaulity-fucked at the time. A much lesser mathemagician than Nilmatrix was able to drive a man to suicide without even talking to him; it's unclear how much you can actually blame Katya for what happened there.

>>96739419
Rest in fragile balance, small brother.

>>96739327
>>96739336
I like Servant of Concealment so I might go Eternal Darkness. The modern time is the only time period where it would be possible though.

>>96739465
>you can actually blame Katya for what happened there.
She was the protagonist and she got outplayed. There is no excuse for jobbing.

>>96739403
It's not necessarily an issue if you go with Tellurian Transfiguration. The punishment for opening the Luminescent Behemoth's left eye transfers into the cacophonous prism built by connecting the 2nd pillar to the fifth (while it's time-diluted). Just avoid the Strength at all costs but that goes without saying.

>>96739465
Word of God is by far the most underrated ability in OR. Dobrava's entire shtick is using a nerfed version of it and she's one of the most OP companions.

if you don't make allies you can't be betrayed
this is the dao of the undead demon venerable savmak

>>96739484
It sucks because actually getting it yourself means taking 0^0 as patron, which is a massive trap option.

>>96739491
he still got TRAPPED and BETRAYED

>>96739491
If you can't win Shadow of God with Lyudi as your death letter, do you even deserve to call yourself an Outsider?

>>96739519
>taking 0^0 as patron, which is a massive trap option.
Only if you're dumb enough to oppose her afterwards.
Just have a goal that doesn't impact hers, or redeem the Usurper thanks to your WoG ability. Simple as.

>>96731336 (OP)
Companions feel better if you don't give them last names (unless they're especially relevant). Am I right or wrong?

>>96739551
Depends on the cyoa

>>96739535
Are you a muscular Northerner though? It's mandatory to romance Charlie.

>>96739519
>trap option
Only if you're a goddamn JOBBER. I'd win.

>>96739535
>taking 0^0 as patron, which is a massive trap option.
>Only if you're dumb enough to oppose her afterwards.
IIRC picking her as patron didn't give her any special power over you? She just won't use her patronly connection to help you if she's hostile to you.

>>96739484
It requires 0^0 as your Patron God, lets her to met you early and costs a lot. Dirk can work around some of that, but gives an inferior version and Patron God issue still stands.
It's obviously powerful, but is it really worth it?
I personally consider trying to All-Glimpse Charlie's teachings from trapped/killed Nilmatrix (without taking her as a companion, just attempting to find her in play) to be a more reasonable approach, and even that can't be expected to be easy or safe at all.

>>96739559
I said redeem, not romance.
Truthfully if you cannot imagine a way to salvage the situation without going "she loses to cock hehe" you have a skill issue.

>>96739551
The presence or absence of a surname should tell you something about the character or setting. Family names, patronyms/matronyms, occupational surnames, toponyms, cognomens, other epithets, or the absence of any second name can all tell you something interesting.

>>96739533
Has anyone even taken Lyudi as their death letter, let alone with Shadow?

>>96739567
>but gives an inferior version
Shta Zhivete

>>96739585
I'm pretty sure I remember in v1 there was someone who attempted the exact strategy that Savmak did. Nobody in v2 afaik.

Charlie doesn't even know what options you picked. If you pick her as a mentor, she won't know until you are almost about to meet her.

>>96739585
I think we all like being able to trust our companions

>>96739533
Heh. Watch this,
>I, Anon of cyoag, write the story
>Nilmatrix stumbles on a rock and hits her head against a rock
Flawless victory, once again. Is everyone else even trying?

>>96739616
A lot of stuff in V2 is a reply to what people did/said in V1, like Avgustus.

>>96739622
Replace rock with cock and you're based.

Wait. Magic doesn’t actually exist in Lord of the Rings?

>>96739631
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP0_mRoER68

>>96739585
Augustus Aureole for the bit.

>>96739637
No lol, its all faith based nonsense. Why do you think Gandalf was yapping at the Balrog and not casting Ice Bolt?

how come none of the OR builds wanted to turn themselves into warmachina?
do you not crave the strength and certainty of steel?

>>96739631
>"Replace rock with cock and you're based."

>>96739637
It exists the same way magic exists irl.

>>96739653
People are more interested in dreamaxxing, playing Risk with Charlie or following their own brand of monomania.

>>96739653
Vtorusha already did it. There is no point copying it.

I wonder how many tons of explosives you would need to collapse the surface of charlieland into the underground

Can uruks make new uruks from the bodies of old uruks?

Call me a jobber, but I honestly can't even imagine that I could reasonably succeed in something like this.

my next cyoa will be wuxia but with mechas instead of cultivation

>>96739637
It does. It’s just one sided. Enchantment. There’s the substance of magic and then there’s the perception of said substance as magic. The works and crafts of the elves certainly *look* magical but they (the elves) don’t *see* it as such. The elves enchant men, not themselves. The wizards(maiar) meanwhile are enigmas to men, and elves, both.

>>96739755
>inb4 "not you lil bro but I'm built different"

>>96739758
If it's an Eva-like "mecha" that's not literally a pile of machinery, then it could work. But if it's a normal machine mecha, it conflicts with the core of wuxia.

Post Danmachi

>>96739765
You are Indian.

>>96739755
To extend mercy to charlie is an injustice against those who have died at her hands.
She can repent in the next life.

>>96739755
Most people don't even see the point in redeeming her, so you're not an outlier.

>>96739653
I quite enjoy being flesh, actually. What is steel without the hand that wields it?

Also, segs.

>>96739791
No.

>>96738840
>Ivory
No one cares about the knock off.

>>96739717
Considering that they own more than one continent, and those land-masses take up say 3/5ths of the surface of the planet. You would kill the planet, before you collapsed the entire Imperium into the howling depths barring direct act of God.

It would be easier to force tectonic plates to cause a Pompei scenario; such efforts would touch every continent, nation, race, family, and individual. Likely leading to a nuclear-winter like scenario and wiping out at least ~80% of every life form on the planet. Saying that SRTR, blessed be her name, would probably love the ice-age post-apocalyptia that would spring up from this effort. The Others, having mixed feelings but enjoying the destruction of The Usurper (if she was even killed from such an event).

>>96739802
>Also, segs.
Anons are simple creatures.

>>96739793
Injustice means triumph of human will and skill over the strictures of society. Justice = cuckery

>>96739814
easiest way to do this would be to shatter the three pillars

>>96739606
C-slot only. And he's B.

>>96739793
What about all the people you will kill to reach that goal?

>>96739653
It's an objective downgrade from having a normal Greater Warmechina.

>>96739758
Xenogears my beloved...

>>96739828
Natalja is C tho. Anon's plan could still work with that change.

>>96739854
I need to make the YMRD voice bubble and the other Outsiders.
I predict that Erginter is going to get a lot of mileage.

>>96739834
What if your Greater Warmachia is an Iotated Greater Yus one that can gattai multiple Greater Warmachia into one?

>>96739758
Sounds intriguing, best of luck to you.

>>96739781
They are spiritual-mechanical machines. Cultivation only increases the rank of mecha you can power, and without a mecha cultivation is useless.

>>96739847
god damnit, I knew I was copying this from somewhere
why would my subconscious do this to me

>>96739847
>>96739882
tldr what is Xenogears?

Physics is so gay

cyoa for that feel?

>>96739758
Mystical Journey https://www.novelupdates.com/series/mystical-journey has an arc about a mech cultivation world. Eventually, the pilot merges with the mech.

>>96739897
She’s hot

>>96739847
We will be as gods.

>>96739824
>Just casually defeat three gods, one of which is already at her zenith of power and all of which are in various states of militancy

>>96739829
Shut up Charlie.

>>96739755
I can imagine success, I just can't bring myself to want it. She has the power to do almost anything, and she's choosing to do wage slavery and kinslaying. Apparently she was heroic in the past, but that was over a century ago, and the version of her that I met is threatening to murder me for breathing wrong. Why would I make things harder for myself to save her? Particularly if doing that probably means sacrificing innocents like Omega and Evdokia,

>>96739897
Any CYOA where you can be muslim

If OR is Umineko then who is your Beatrice/Yasu?

>>96739916
>ymrd
hiding like a RAT
>srtr
BETRAYED and TRAPPED
>0^0
jobberlord supreme


trve chadgons would solo 0^0 instantly

>>96739829
The Ends justify The Means. Next you'll mourn the poor mongolian soldier, taken before he had the chance to rape half a continent.

if you kill your enemy, they win

>>96739950
Even if there's inspiration in specific aspects, they are very different stories/settings taken as a whole.

>>96739800
What does redeeming her even mean? What do you expect from this?

>>96739882
Do not despair, anon. Stand tall and shake the Heavens

>>96739950
It's not a 1:1 with Umineko at any rate, but it would be Charlotte, with her "emotionally invested opponent" role.
Good luck finding the Yasu incident here, though.

>>96739974
Charlotte doesn't love you though.

>>96739272
SRTR...

>>96739960
>The Ends justify The Means
But that's what the Usurper said too...

>>96739978
On the battlefield our love shall bloom. My army against hers. She shall learn hate first, and then a great alchemy shall be used to form it into something warmer.

>>96739968
It would open ground for her to advance towards godhood and cooperate with the others toward advancing the total ascension plan.

>>96739978
Depends on the story you write.
You have infinite ways to justify a romance between her and you. Hell, you could even pretend to know her Earth self, and that her antagonism comes from some unresolved tension.

the one true goal is the accumulation of power
women, money, fame... these are false idols, springing from power yet distracting men from it

do not fall to the ways of waifufagging

>>96740012
It's called lineagemaxxing and it has been the meta in every civilisation on earth
It has been the pasttime of every king, emperor, general, and warrior worth listening to

>>96739829
Some of them are just as guilty as Charlie. Some are her victims too, tricked or forced to fight on the wrong side. Those deaths are tragic, but many more tragic deaths will occur if Evil is allowed to act unopposed.

the one true goal is the [][][][][]
women, money, fame, power... these are false idols, springing from [][][][][] yet distracting men from it

do not fall to the ways of powerfagging

>>96740012
But money is straightforwardly a subtype of power. It's just that in fantasy settings, and cyoas especially, money tends to seem low-value compared to things not tradable for money because authors don't think it through.

>>96739909
Based fellow knower

>>96739829
Irrelevant jobbers. At least they die for a higher purpose.

>>96740012
Power means less than nothing, without the Wisdom to wield it. It's a poisoned chalice if you can't wield such a thing effectively.

>>96739829
Wrong side of the war. They're already destined to die by our blades - why feel pity for shambling corpses?

>>96740001
But the reincarnation system is sucks, though? Especially outsiders reincarnation system, it's atrocious and unfair shit, dismantling it is a good thing.
In short, JNPL and SRTR need to die.

>>96740035
Money is a subtype of social power. True power is material. Social power only has worth in acquiring material power. Beyond that, hoarding it is useless.

It's always funny to see Anons act like Charlie.

>>96740100
It's almost as if Tank made her out of Anon's worst tendencies.

Anon won't ever recognize his own flaws, though. Just like Charlotte.

if majin aren't real people, neither are any of the other isekaijins
total outsider supremacy

>>96740100
>>96740127
And what makes you any better?

>>96740131
>YOU DON'T GET TO ESCAPE THE CRAB BUCKET

>>96740130
>the other isekaijins
They NPCs made to prop up YOUR story. You're the only person there, don't forget.

>>96740012
What if the waifus are potentially much more powerful than you?

>>96740143
then it's a shitty cyoa

>>96740137
Thank-you for your concession, now if you'll elaborate on your point.

>>96740143
Eat them.

Grim outlook + Bulletproof Skin singlehandedly allows you to beat the Ecumene. Just curse your tanks with bulletproof skin.

Fuk charlie gon do?

>>96740143
Make them submit to the cock.

>>96740127
Nah, I think Erginter is what my worst tendencies actualized might look like.

>>96740159
I am more of an Inga Yesod myself.

Erginter only did what she did because she was afraid of the demon lord Xian killing her

>>96740164
doomed to job to powergamers?

>>96740165
And a certain Elevenfold Demon Lord is much scarier.

>>96740144
>WAHHHH I HAVE TO WORK WITH OTHERS

>>96740155
Based and correct

>>96740150
???

>>96740100
Unironically, the longer I tinkered with OR the more I leaned away from elder gods to 0^0 side. Don't want to risk everything each time new Outsider appear, and it's a legitimately unfair system to locals.
So my recent build is to go after SRTR, and finish her before the 100 year mark.

>>96740149
It's a stupid fucking question. Good is complicated, there are many competing priorities and reasonable people can disagree about which imperfect path is the right one in any given situation. Evil, though, is quite obvious, even to the people doing it. Anons willingly choosing evil know what they're doing, and so did Charlotte.

>>96740200
Yeah bro the gods are so unfair, we should strip Meaning from people's lives and force them to live in wagecuck hell forever instead.

>>96740217
Better be wagecuck than starving peasant.

>>96740200
>0^0 subtle convincing worked

>>96740229
And as we all know, those are the only two choices. It's impossible to ever make anything better and it's foolish to try.

>>96740240
True. I'm glad we can all agree on this simple truth.

>>96740240
Exactly, life will become better in Ecumene.

"better" is a matter of perspective. Does suffering not also hold meaning? And is the acquisition of meaning not the highest good, being that which ascends you to godhood?
SRTR is the god of heroes and villains alike. She loves them both equally. So too does JNPL spread her care to all. Is this not because all roles have equal meaning, and equal worth?

So, in the end, what is justice? What is evil? What is right, and what is wrong? They are tools used to constrain your thinking, to force you into the roles that the gods have created for you.
If one truly wishes to overturn heaven and earth, to seize your own fate rather than to live by the cruel edicts of the heavens, these false ideas must be discarded. Instead, one must become a demon, ruthlessly pursuing one's goal without a moment of hesitation or doubt.

This is the enlightenment I have reached. This is my dao.

>>96740346
Go back to sleep Tiax, you're 12's villain not ours.

>>96737020
he's stopping work on lotm until cuttlefish releases all pathway details on weibo

>>96740263
If you truly believe that is right, follow your heart. If you succeed you will have done good in the world, and if you fail another hero will take your place as the one who brings down the Usurper.

Post. Danmachi.

You wouldn't pick A, right?
You aren't some worthless waifufag... right?

>>96740405
Why? It’s already been solved. Take the best magic and make custom god waifu.

>>96739755
You're not a jobber you just have good sense. How can you redeem someone who does not feel guilt over their sins or seek redemption? Not even Mada believes in redeeming 0^0 outright, she believes in 'redeeming' 0^0 by reinterpreting the false ascent to force 0^0 against her will into accepting the current reality.

>>96740346
Fang Yuan...

>>96740423
Tank needs to give titles or surnames to the priest women whose names are one letter apart.

>>96740377
>All LotM pathways
>All GA pathways but White Tower
>All ED pathways but Twilight Giant
>All CoD pathways
>No DoK pathways
>All KoL pathways
>No GoOr pathways
>No FoD pathways
>No TA pathways
>All the Outer pathways

Not soon, yeah.

>>96740411
>Nameless
Option A

>>96739895
>Physics is so gay
Just like you, you puss guzzling shitposter.

>>96740411
I choose
OR

I want to make a game of thrones cyoa but…

1) the charm has been lost/tarnished
2) not sure if book or show version

>>96740411
I'll take Option A.

Heroic nihilism is based as fuck.

>>96740361
who is Tiax