Thread 96891575

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>Previous Heresy:
>>96878926

>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:
https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N

>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics

『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

>Thread question:
Post the completed model you're most proud of

>>96891575 (OP)
Blurst for Iron Warriors

>>96889822
I always thought Horus resented his warriors bleeding and dying for an uncaring imperium they had no say in ruling, servants to weak mortals too ephemeral to see the long view. Then he saw two brothers just being erased and outright denied, and his father abandoned the biggest crusade for something apparently more important, yet too secret for even him to know.
Then he sees a vision confirm his biggest fears: his brothers denied, the imperium in ruin, himself reviled ...all so his father gets the adoration he swore he didn't want.
So he set up to prevent all of this, unwittingly guaranteeing it all came to pass. An ontological tragedy.

At least I think that's better than Muh Daddy Issues. Never read the novels, and the few I did read felt like wanking

>>96891575 (OP)
>Kor Phaeron wearing red armor
Not canon.

i have a question
just how far gone am i, when a 15s telephone conversation with the woman i love have me drinking tequila hoping i won't remember my name for two days

Goober Lords

>>96892268
I guess you are not together anymore. A 15 second conversation with my ex would make me think about it for five years, just don't have it. There's plenty more things to love in the world. Took me a lot of time to realize but it's true. Keep on fighting brother.
Nice BA btw

>praetorian command squad cant take a vox/cognis-signum
>centurion command squad can

HUH???

>>96891325
Exactly. Horus lost his shit because he wasn't as privileged as he felt he should have been. HE wasn't told about his father's webway plan, HE didn't personally approve of Emp's endgame, he thought he was entitled to be seen as an equal, not an underling, and when it became clear that wasn't the case, he turned. Chaos or no Chaos, he might have rebelled anyway. Erebus and Lorgar just gave him more power to do it.

>>96892268
You'll always be tempted by alcohol. But you need to get clean and move on with your life.
Some wounds never fully heal, but life finds a way if you allow it. It will pass. It can pass. But you need to put space and time between you and what is hurting you until is just a dull feeling and doesn't dominate your thoughs.

The best way is to make new positive memories to offset the old bad ones. That's why so many people change radically their lives after a bad experience. It works, but you need a plan and time. You'll be surprised by the new people you'll meet.
Been there, done that. Twice.

Nice BA as always, btw

>>96892369
Come on Anon, everyone knows the higher you go up the elites ladder the more retarded you become
By the time you hit praetorian guard you've lost the ability to operate complex electronics
Centurion command squads are still in touch enough with the common troops to retain their faculties
the actual answer is that Centurion command troops are clearly the old veterans entry, while other command squads just don't have access to that gear for balance reasons

>>96892268
A liquor store owner told me that the reason you're only supposed to do shots of tequila is because unlike other alcohol tequila can be digested instead of getting dumped in the scat. So someone guzzling tequila will get drunk, which drops their blood pressure, then they digest the tequila which spikes their blood pressure and that kills them. It's why it has the highest kill ratio of all the liquors.
I suppose I never checked to see if that was true but he's a cool guy so I believed him.

>>96892309
>I guess you are not together anymore.
i never was; hell maybe i had a chance 10 years ago
just how fucking desperate for a good hug and kind words do you have to get; am i that awful.

>>96892494
if i don't die of accident or disease first i'll die of either hemlock or gun in mouth. age was never an options

I'm debating what's more important for the 2000 point step of our escalation league: having a legion standard in the praetorian command squad or upgrading my delegatus to a praetor (and swapping his warpfire pistol to a straight archaeotech pistol)

>>96888301
>it's not standard practice post heresy
according to what they say in the 3.0 inductii article, it is, at least by 40k time. not the pdf itself but the article to introduce the inductii pdf

>>96892369

Almost all 2+ save units seem to be barred from nuncio-voxes, which makes a reasonable amount of sense since it means you can actually status most elite melee units.
I can't think of any that get voxes beyond Cent Command, Vet Breachers and Morlocks, although I could be wrong.

>>96892574
Unfortunate to the nobody pulling this shit from their ass is that no 40k fluff supports this claim in any way.

Tourist here. So is 3.0 any good or is everyone playing 2.0 like the initial reactions seemed to imply? Whats better and whats worse about it?

>>96893112

Lots of disagreement on that point, but people seem to be quite into 3.0 where I am, and I'm enjoying it since Mechanicum and Solar Auxilia have more than one build each now.
In general the armies are much better balanced internally, dreads aren't bullshit overpowered anymore and there's reason to use far more of any given army list. Vehicles are actually durable and don't randomly explode, artillery doesn't instantly delete units anymore and the old 2.0 Brutal rule has been replaced with a proper damage stat so it no longer skews every matchup it's involved in spectacularly.

In the cons column, missions and scoring are a bit jank and the core missions especially heavily favour rhino rushing troops onto the objectives and instant-winning, although the newer missions are rather better. Some wargear options are also gone due to not appearing on any model, like jump packs and some guns for Magi.
Some people dislike the new, more complicated challenges, limited deep strike and more open army building, some people like them, I'm basically neutral. It's definitely more internally balanced than 1.0, although it's lost some of the giant piles of options and flavour that 1e had, and IMO it's better than 2e in every way that matters. The choice is basically 1st or 3rd edition.

>>96893203

Oh yeah, Custodes have a fairly sparse army list that does struggle very badly with objectives and Sisters of Silence got totally gutted. Latter's a damn shame, former will hopefully be rectified if and when they get a proper book rather than their current placeholder rules.

>>96893112
People are more mad about unit wargear than the base game, I think.

>>96893112
A lot of people are saying NO ONE plays 3.0 and everyone plays only 2.0, yet never post models, armies, or games. Curious . . .

I think the abysmal job they did with wargear and legion flavor is the focus of the hate. I’m indifferent to a lot of the core rule changes, LOS and challenge rules are trash. Change to blast weapon rules are decent. The local community is sticking with 2.0 so that’s where I am.

>>96893430
It's broadly what the initial outrage was about after the full rules leaked. Most people didn't get hung up on the changes in the core rules, it's the liber rules that had players up in arms.

>>96893112
It fractured my community. Out of 30 people maybe 6 are playing 3.0, a few quit, and 1 went full tylenol writing their own rules. I host a yearly event and this is the least excitement I've seen in like a decade of being a TO.

The 3 year cycle is a big unspoken boner killer ontop of all the missing flavor. People don't like the army building, short games, and the hyper focus on scoring missions.

The nitpickery is all skub territory, but regardless of the reasons it really did pour cold water over the community here.

>>96893224
you know you can put a Knight Centura with any Psyker and take the Willpower Check against her WP because she has the Command sub-type; if the Check results in Perils then there's no effect because you assign those Wounds to her and they have zero effect, either way the chance of failure is 1/36 because her WP is still 11 even with the cross-faction penalty, so as long as you're not trying to self-target her unit you're golden

it's bullshit but I think it's deliberate, a 75 point psyker umbrella that leaves a Librarian with the same Ld/Cl better WP and only reduces In, like anybody ever checks In for a Librarian

Anathema is a very broken rule right now, loyalist TS or Nikea Blackshields can seriously abuse it

>>96892268
What >>96892309 and >>96892388 said is the key here. You're stuck in a loop of hurt, trying to revisit what used to make you feel happy and being hurt again by things having changed, and then coping with the hurt with the booze. Making new memories to be more present in your mind than the old memories is key to moving on and healing here. It's difficult to do and takes courage, and it won't always look like you're making a difference, but you can do it. Keep fighting anon

>>96893112
Against 1.0 it’s worse but it’s way better than 2.0. The worst parts of 3.0 are base book missions and cover(which you can just fix by talking for 5 secs with your opponent) and some wargear changes. Besides that 3.0 blows 2.0 out of the water especially with how the majority of units are actually usable this ed. Solar aux, militia, bs, and sl are massively improved. Mech and ruinstorm are up and down from last ed. Only custodes really got screwed. Every unit has an actual role which feels great. There’s a ton of different crutch units which means that outside of tacs/despoilers for scoring the rest of the list can look completely different without your army being stomped

>>96891575 (OP)
What are the least played legions?

>>96893823
the legion you want to collect the most

>>96893823
Played, not bought. Iron warriors by far

>>96893886
kek

>>96893203
>>96893264
>Wargear
Did they go full 7th ed deleteing everything not physically included in the kits? Or just somewhat. The challenges seemed interesting at a surface level so im glad to hear they are actually cool.

>>96893557
Can you still win by annihilation? Imo thats the biggest weakness of 40k right now, the game is too short to reasonably beat an opponent who started scoring earlier than you.
>3 year cycle
I heard rumor they were planning on delaying 11th ed 40k so maybe they are recognising this kinda forced march is too fast paced for most folks.

>>96893765
Cover and mission length are what I remember seeing the most. Is game length tied into the way missions are written or is it separate/default?

Thanks for all the replies everyone

>>96891575 (OP)
>still linking the dogshit pdfs when better ones are available

>>96893913
post em please

>>96893913
WHERE, LINK THEM

>>96893909
Yep, the box lock is real in 3.0 outside of the .pdfs

Can't win by annihilation anymore. I don't play 40k, but it sounds like 3.0 has the same problems. You can overrun the score and the game is over by turn 2 in a 4 turn game. They even included a 'comeback' mechanic which basically is an admission they knew it was a problem...

>>96893909
They just removed weapons from some units. Made legion weapons more exclusive and in cases like breachers, move some options to a veteran unit along with a few new options

The missions in the core books just suck. There’s just not anything fun or interesting. The fun missions got moved to the journals. People also just don’t like that cover got poor wording and made it so that attacks to one member of a unit that’s visible now includes all non visible units

>>96893909
>Can you still win by annihilation?
Not unless you can kill most of your opponent's Line units before t2 and avoid getting wiped by his Vanguard units in return

>>96893960
Box lock isn’t. For the main books sure but legacies and journal units fix this for 99% of units

>>96894000
Also for annihilation you absolutely can, you just need to play extremely aggressively and spam the shit out of melee units

>>96894011
annihilation was an auto win before, anon

>>96894000
>Box lock isn’t real
>Just ignore the main books, where its everywhere

>>96894054
>where its everywhere
It isn't, and lying about it just undermines any criticisms you have about 3.0.
In fact, THAT was the actual point of contention early on, that some things got boxlocked, some were unchanged, and some got MORE options.

>>96894054
What box lock? I'm rather enjoying my lernaean with thunder hammers.

>>96894054
Yeah and that’s dumb. You can still do it but you can’t just screw your opponent over by going unga bunga.

Also is box lock really box lock if it’s only a box lock for a few weeks lol

>>96891575 (OP)
Are the Legion shoulderpads for the older armour marks returning at some time or is mkVI from here on out?

>>96894135
Never…

Probably getting some next year.

>>96893765
>3.0 blows 2.0 out of the water especially with how the majority of units are actually usable this ed. Solar aux, militia, bs, and sl are massively improved
Eh? Units lots flavor yet they got better?

I'm just here to say power scythes get worse with every edition.
And so seem to so the entirety of the Iron Warriors legion, to the enjoyment of one bald fucker.

>>96894267
When everything is shit, nothing is better than the other.

Nearly finished with my Iron Warriors and then I can expand my World Eaters. My plan is to have a force for each each sizable traitor legion present on Terra.

Still waiting on James releasing the breacher kits though. I've got 20 mkII waiting for shields and hazard stripes.

Oh yeah this is the exact batshit crazy hodge-podged look I wanted

what new bullshit can they possibly make to include in the hh4 set?

>>96894336

Plastic Terrain.

>>96894336
John Grammaticus

>>96894317
Put one big volkite on top. And glue a volkite serpenta muzzle onto the face grill of the helmet.

>>96894267
Those armies certainly didn’t. You saying that at all though tells me that you’ve never tried to “play” any of those 4 last ed. You might as well have just bent over and pulled your pants down playing militia, and sl was just a test of how long it took for you to pull out a gun and use it on yourself

>>96894317
Volkite from moiraxes?

>>96894267
Yeah, Raptors went from having to molest MEQ for a living to raping TEQ

>>96894358
I'm gonna go postal if that comes to pass.

>>96894378
Yes, I'm asking. I don't even know who those guys are, all I understood was "solar auxilia, militia, bullshit and STL". Lie I don't even know the acronyms for the latter two

>>96894388
Derdeo falconets

>>96894412
Yfw the new box is John, Ol, Keeler & some token mkVI

In the meantime, Daemon Angron has still not been released.

had a shit day but the look of these morlock terminators GW made cheers me up a bit
think i'll get some recast gorgons to kitbash with some spare cataphractii I have lying around

>>96894755
>GW kitbashes are official
>All the other stuff loses options because "they never had models"
Dishonor to their cows

>>96894432
Solar aux and militia are normal humans. Last ed had marines so powerful that most solar aux units and pretty much the entire militia army just crumpled trying to do anything to them. Black shields are 30k deathwatch and just play weird. They just didn’t do a whole lot last ed. Shattered legion are a mix of various legions. Last edition they had rules that constantly shifted per phase and you had to count the mix of different legions per member of every unit and keep track of that mix as units die. It’s was a comical nightmare. All of these got massively improved in 3.0

>>96894802
Oooh those guys. Yeah I've always seen them as "Legiones Astartes (Pirates)". I mean, they used pretty much the same LA list, but restricted from a couple entries. I'm yet to check them out.
I'm kinda demotivated for 3.0. Feels like early 40k 8th edition, and I remember things going downhill for those guys.
Except Necrons. Guess even their players do have infinite patience.

>>96892268
Suicide time

Played a game today (no pics) IH vs WS. Added up being a massacre, but the other guys breacher squad was cool, lascutters are nutty

Could it work as a base for a fellblade proxy if I add on some printed side sponsons? I'm picturing it as a brought out of storage eaarly crusade era prototype for a tank that was in competition with the fellblade that was never adopted by the legions

>>96892268
Bros got strong feelings

>>96894992
If you have to print sponsons surely you could just print a fellblade?

>>96895025
Because the fellblade isn't that interesting to look at

How hard and/or expensive would it be to convert an all plastic LR Achilles?
Seems like a HH Explorator can be a good start point.

>>96895031
based and hobby pilled.

>>96895082
I bet you could do the whole thing with 1 land raider kit, 1 rapier quad mortar, and a sheet of 40mil plasticard, so probly not that expensive but it will take a bit of effort to get the front cutout nice.

>>96895082
mostly just annoying, you've got to build those track guards with the chamfered edges, which is a plasticard job, then you've got to figure out the mounting for the quad launcher so it doesn't look like you just stuck the whole Rapier in there

it's doable but you need to sit down and think about the design cues of the Mars-pattern Achilles and the Proteus, and work out what a Proteus-Achilles would be like, then what your skills will allow you to do

but basically as cheap as plasticard, the LR kit and a Rapier kit

Game report: AL vs DG
Mission Take and Hold except the value decreased every battle round and couldn't go below 1.
A Death Guard siege company has identified three particularly potent chem-signatures originating from the toxic swamp the local manufactorum has been using to dump all its waste. A nearby light infantry company of the perfidious Alpha Legion, having intercepted the reports of the DG scouts, have decided these poisons would be of better use in the hands of their Magos. The skirmish begins:

>>96895395
TURN 1:
The Death Guard strikes first, grinding through the sludge to set up firing positions on the center repository while starting extraction on the point already under their control. A few pot shots are taken at the shadowy figures of Alpha Legionnaires in the distance but no real damage is done.
The response of the Alpha Legion is quite a bit deadlier. A squad of Headhunter elite push into the center and unleash a barrage of Banestrike Bolts, their aim enhanced through the malefic intervention of a nearby Magos, and breech the armor of a Contemptor dreadnought, tearing it down to chunks of ceramite and bleeding servos.
Under the cover of these volleys a tactical squad pushes forward and starts extracting the pathogen, while the armoured bulk of the company Land Raider struggles through the mud. Accompanying Effrit pop out and decapitate the grave wardens still reeling from the detonation of the Contemptors reactor.
(Score: DG 5, AL 5+5+2)

>>96895403
TURN 2:
Despite these losses the DG stay collected and the rapier batteries and Arquitor rain down a green hellfire, killing many on the center objective, inckuding the majority of the effrit. Assisting these efforts is a barrage of missiles from a battered Sicaran Arcus, tearing right through the Headhunter Rhino. A rotor squad pushes forward on the Western side of the battlefield, only to be met by a squad of Ashen Circle, their armor scorched and glowing. The rotor squad is annihilated before it even registers the wall of flames. The AL seeker squads at both extremities of the battlefield both get almost completely wiped and retreat to cover, cursing HQ for their poor positioning. The Lernean command squad emerge from their land raider and the Company librarian cuts up the remaining Grave Wardens before they can even react.
(Score: DG 4, AL 4+4)

>>96895404
TURN 3:
The Deathshroud move forward, determined to clear the West objective and pave the way for the rhino and it's complement of tactical marines to finish off the extraction of the pathogen. They encounter the ashen circle and the two colliding walls of flame, Alchemical and Akkadic turn the entirety of the surrounding area to glass, with a deathshroud succumbing to the fire but with a severe battering of the ashen circle. Relieved to have survived, they turn their heads to the sky only to watch it turn green with Phosphex. They do not die well.
The Lerneans meanwhile continue to tear through the DG line, dismantling the Arquitor and moving to confront the East objective, zealously guarded by a Saturnine praetor and a Leviathan.
(Score DG 3, AL 3+3)

>>96895408
TURN 4: COUNTER OFFENSIVE
The Deathshroud make contact on the Western flanks, just barely making it into contact before shredding the rhino that the AL Legionnaires had withdrawn into to evade their wrath. The DG rhino disgorges it's tactical marines to finish off the extraction of the pathogen, extracting the most important elements of its chemical composition from the AL scanners. Despite the constant pounding of Phosphex the AL holds strong in the center, completing the extraction of the pathogen. The saturnine praetor and his Chaplain ward engage the remaining lerneans and the Librarian in combat. The Lernean Sergeant bravely challenges the praetor in a fit of martial hubris and after surviving three exchanges finally gets pasted by the praetor without inflicting a scratch while the rest of the command squad annihilates the chaplain. The librarian, knowing when to fold, disengages from the rampaging Saturnine and casts the most powerful spell of all: 6 lascannons to the face after a Banestrike Fusillade. The saturnine praetors last sight is a searing flash before he's atomised.
Despite the success of their sortie the DG have managed to extract the most information and samples and withdraw having secured the strategic victory (if not the tactical one)
(Score: DG (counter offensive) 3x2 + 3x2 + 4x2(Last Man Standing), AL 3+2(Slay The Warlord)
Final score DG 32, AL 31.

>>96895412
Summary: very close game, unfortunate match up of almost exclusively infantry vs lots of Phosphex. Counter offensive is a fun rule, makes the game uncertain till the very end. Can give a deeper unit analysis if wanted, let me know if there's any unit you're interested in the performance of.
Unfortunately we couldn't get everything painted in time (only finished building the land raider, ashen circle, librarian and Moritat this morning) so I beg your forgiveness anons, and offer up my Atrapos as compensation and to answer >>96891575 (OP) TQ.

>>96895412
Final thing I wanted to say: Headhunter bomb absolutely fucks. The damage output vs things like dreadnoughts and termies is fucking stupid. Killed the contemptor in one volley ( did 8 fucking damage) and after the game tested it against the leviathan and also one shot it (though I did roll abnormally high - the fact Crits autowounds is huge, means that you can hurt the leviathan despite only being s4).
Absolutely the MVPs of the game

>>96895424
Sounds like a cool game, good job, Anon.

>>96895404
Those improvised shoulders on the DG sgt are kino

>>96895412
>>96895424
I don't think Counter-Offensive doubles secondary objectives

>>96895530
Thanks anon!
>>96895610
I wish I had more pics of my buddy's stuff, he also gave them those skirts Arc Troopers have lol.
>>96895616
We knew it doesn't, we just decided to do it anyway (partially because it made for an interesting game - trying to balance being aggressive with keeping units alive even more than usual)

Is there not a copy of forges of saturn floating around yet?

>>96895395
>A Death Guard siege company has identified three particularly potent chem-signatures originating from the toxic swamp the local manufactorum has been using to dump all its waste.
Death Guard doesn't have to be always about poison all day long, anon, just saying lmao. Very cool game.

>>96895958
God I love that power fist bit. It's so energetic.

>>96895412
>most powerful spell of all: 6 lascannons to the face after a Banestrike Fusillade
LMAO
>Leviathan with Knight weapons
Can we get a closeup of that one?

>>96895448
>the fact Crits autowounds is huge
...but how are you getting Crits with Headhunters?

>>96894992
Do it anon. Rule of cool trumps all others, please! Live my dream. I have neither of the skills nor wallet to do such a thing but I thought about it myself-i gotta settle for a Fell. Apocalypse is the coolest fiction tank bar none, and I’ve been pissed there’s no real world equivalent for 20+ yrs. Do what I couldn’t do and keep us informed!

“The instrument of DOOM!”

>>96895958
Was just trying to find a reason for fighting in a dump lol, seemed fitting with how much Phosphex my buddy brought.
>>96895987
Gave my buddy old bits from a knight conversion I did and he had bought a leviathan second hand with double grav so it seemed like a logical next step.

>>96896003
Make them malefic through being Prime, buff them with a Magos using aetheric amplification, make them BS6 and thus Crit on 6s.
Shit is ridiculous. I'm going to try putting two multi meltas in the squad next time. Obviously with only two shots my chances of getting a 6 are low but the sheer hilarity of getting a precision D4 wound sounds worth it.

>>96896009
Oops wrong way around.
He's got a lot of crazy conversions - his saturnine praetor has a nunchuk axe and his mortarion has the scythe blade angle up and a dagger.

>>96895448

Godspeed anon, warms my heart to see someone actually using my silly headhunter strat. Does your AL army have a unit name? It's always fun to mention other people's dudes in your fluff and I still need to write the lore for mine up properly.

Also, very pretty Knight, big fan of the runes.

>>96896003

Make them Malefic with True Believers, then apply Guide from a heterodox Magos. Means they either need to eat Feedback and lose a few bodies or footslog with the Magos attached to tank it, but it gets them to BS6 and lets them snipe incredibly well. Averages 4-5 wounds on a Primarch even, so you can actually zone them if you can keep your glass cannon alive.

Blasts can score critical hits, right? Would it be funny to buff a plasma cannon armistos up to BS7 using Paragon of Battle and Alone and Forgotten? I feel like I keep harping on it but with a delegatus you can get 2 prime consuls and having some long range seems like a good idea.

Gal Vorbak with a Warmonger: Worth it or not?

>>96895412
>>96896038
>his saturnine praetor has a nunchuk axe
Never thought I'd ask get to see it

>>96896044
Thanks for the compliment anon! And thanks for coming up with the strat, it was extremely fun to use and not at all as annoying as expected to set up - being able to cast from 6" away means you can still have a decent threat range.
I've posted the lore of my guys here a long, long time ago but the gist of it is that they're a chapter called the Ismenios Configuration led by a Forge Lord named Daedalus. It's split up into two cohorts, with the first (the Coiled Cog) being all about weird tech and experimental weaponry (test bed for AL equipment) and the other (Hesperios) being a bunch of the traditional AL covert ops types who's primary directive is cleaning up after the more... unsubtle half of the chapter. As the heresy moves forward they start dabbling in increasingly heretical technology.
I made a whole order of battle for the chapter with names for every squad, vehicle and character, it's pretty fun to look at my army on the tabletop and know everyone's name.

>>96896097
I wish I had a better picture for you, I'll try to get one when he's done painting it.
Thought it'd be funny for reaping blow to be represented by a Saturnine guy throwing an axe around like a whip.

>>96896117
I love it anon lmao I hate NuReaping blow and that it was the DG's thing for two seconds until everyone else stole it. And then there's scythes themselves ;__;

>>96893112
I haven't played 3.0 but I literally went back to playing 40k 10th after playing 1 too many games of 2.0 because it was genuine cancer with how every vehicle that wasn't completely obscured was dead end of T1 and dreads were pretty much king and people only spammed lascannons meltas and plasmas out the ass. I don't think I've ever seen a heavy flamer used in HH. The armies being all marines also made it even more boring when people all kind of gravitated towards the same lists and game strategies because yeah legions can take different shit but at the end of the day its still all kind of the same army outside of the few times people run guard and the mechanicus and custodes do exist but nobody near me plays them.

Is 3.0 a big improvement?

>>96896145
Less flavor, better army balance, dogshit missions, better weapon balance, av14 and tactical + rhino spam op. I think it's a better experience than 2.0 but it's almost a certain sign that 4.0 is coming in 3 years and it will likely actually be the death knell for wargear and customization.

>>96896167
Certainly sounds like an upgrade at the least

>>96896167
Doom retards are going to spend the next 3 years bitching and not play a single game

>>96896145
There are some things to be changed (better and more missions, scoring at end of turn, terrain rules are lame to name a few) but the whole thing is a lot more balanced - every weapon has some kind of niche now, to use one of your points flamers are actually worth bringing. I think the status system is great, means you have a lot more weapon identities, and thus people have started bringing a lot more variety. Admech and Solar Auxilia aren't joke armies anymore and are a lot more on par with the Legions. Unfortunately part of balancing everything a lot tighter is a general loss of flavour. The legions and primarchs are a lot less different this time around and it's a shame. List construction is an acquired taste - I enjoy it despite it no longer having the same benefit system as old Rites of War but a lot of my friends hate it.
The challenge system sucks ass. Everytime we've done a challenge we've been disappointed. I can see what they were going for but I think they dropped the ball.
I like that vehicles feel a lot more durable and imposing but the glance/pen system doesn't do it for me - seems kind of silly that a glance can inflict a status and a pen cannot. Our group is trying out having pens roll on the damage table next game and I'll report here how it goes.
Overall it's pretty fun, give it a try

>>96896205
I have and will continue to play 3.0 but I think it's doomer-ing to expect that 4.0 will start squatting things that went to legacy this edition.

Alpha legion is 100% loyal in new dropsite massacre book. No "this will actually help traitors in future", no conflict between the primarchs, no "half legion traitor, half loyalist". They are straight up sabotaging and killing traitors, they are trying their hardest to save as many loyalists as possible. Ingo pech literally how they are secretly loyalists to some spaceship crew members

>>96896292
>literally sneaking bombs into loyalist ships
Anon you know you didn't have to take "this too is a lie" that seriously

>>96896292
The whole point of the legion is that they had too many batshit plans so no one has any idea of what every other member of the legion is doing. Of course there’s AL that are loyalist. They’re either triple agents or super psycho indoctrinated to be loyalist lmao. In the next book there will be traitor Al bombing the fists or something

>>96896322
What else were they supposed to do? Openly side with loyalists? They obviously played the role of the traitors in the heresy but their goal was to help the loyalists. You can't explain why they would attack traitors and help so many loyalists to escape.
>>96896359
>Of course there’s AL that are loyalist.
Saying this as if both primarchs, first captain and majority of the legion weren't loyalist
>In the next book there will be traitor Al bombing the fists or something
Doesn't matter. I'll probably kill dan abnett before that book comes out

>>96896115

I was always planning to keep the Magos in the squad for the slightly more reliable cast, I might have to get a rhino painted up for them so I can try that slingshot technique. I'm still trying to figure out what to name the Malefic Headhunter units in particular - a friend suggested "Soulkillers", but I can only think of the program from Cyberpunk when I hear that even if it does roll off the tongue reasonably well.

My army is the "Erebran Instrument", a bunch of guys who spent most of the scouring putting bullets in the heads of any loyalists who had accrued any glorious reputation whatsoever and eventually all dying in the process because they were feeding all their future leadership into the warptech identity shredder to deny the resurgent Imperium as many of their champions as possible. I have a WIP Saturnine Daemon Prince who I think might be the only survivor to actually reach 40k, ascending to Tzeench princedom off the back of the sheer cognitive dissonance of being the last survivor and sole bearer of a mythos predicated entirely on the unit being an indistinguishable pack of identity-less killbots who are even more hostile to personhood than the Alpha Legion generally is.

Between the Headhunters and the Phraetus that another anon was running, AL seem to work better with daemons this edition than the Word Bearers do, if only because they have actual specific synergies with Malefic stuff.

>>96896373
You won't do shit

>>96892268
After years of complete sobriety I started drinking heavily about three months ago. Every single period of time I've had off work I've been drunk at least once, ongoing divorce stress did the trick.

Couple of days ago I went to a Halloween party with some friends I haven't seen in years, drank so much I vomited up pure bile the next morning.

Think I'm done with it for the test of the year.

>>96894447
The superior version is already out, and in plastic at that. Just needs a nose job and you're golden.

>>96896390
If the regular unit is Headhunters, how about these enhanced killers are Soulhunters? They are bound to their target, making them unable to hide from them. Their bullets will always find their mark because they have daemonic True Sight

>>96892268
Give it a year or two to move on, it gets easier when you get into a new, better relationship. Could've been worse.
t.widower

>>96896491
Sorry to hear that, anon. I wish you could simply decide to not drink, but truth is I can't imagine what you're going through.
I don't know how some people can be drunk one day yet that doesn't get them addicted, while others have to fight The Thirst every day lest it claims them by indulging even once.
I guess that's why you paint Blood Angels.

>>96894306
What are you planning for WE? This is a neat collection.

>>96896517
I'm not the excellent BA guy, I'm just anon.

Word of advice: if you marry someone with a mental disorder, be aware that bad times will outweigh the good.

>>96896373
>You can't explain why they would attack traitors and help so many loyalists to escape.
I would like to believe the Alpha Legion is indeed sided with the loyalists as a double agent...but double agents sabotage the enemy and spy for their side. Yet the Alpha Legion sabotages everyone and spies only for themselves.

A true double agent would have told Custodes (the only guaranteed loyalists of the setting) about Istvaan V, rather than be the literal architect of it.

The only way it makes sense is if the Emperor's goal isn't to have the loyalists win, but rather, to have the whole galaxy burn. In this He succeeded.

>>96896262
>Our group is trying out having pens roll on the damage table
... what about having glances deal 1 hp? Having to roll the same status again feels kinda specific

>>96896530
Henry the VIIIth wasn't tied to a woman, and neither should you.
...I'm not calling for violence, I'm just saying your life is your decision, not someone else's.
You're an adult. You can go get a pizza whenever you want. Most kids need to ask permission. That's a big win right there.

Setting aside all this drama, I'm just glad Ingo Pech freed himself. He disarmed a motion mine by basically grimacing and blinking at it

Did the FAQ fix the Knights Errant in any way, or are they still basically impossible to fit into a list? I've been scanning through and can't see anything, but there's no centralised repository of changes so it's slightly hard to tell.

Reminder that therapy is a scam.

Moving on, I'm thinking about using Cathay weapons for my White Scars. Think they'll be big enough to do the job?

>>96896519
They're still in their infancy, but so far I have a Predator, Red Butchers converted from chaos terminators, 10 berzerkers as despoilers and a Kargos kitbash. Using 40k models with 30k heads etc as I want these to be SoT based.

The overall plan when playing is to use different legions in one big force, so most of the meat shield troops will be WE, SoH and DG, tanks and breachers will be IW, fast units (assault marines etc) will be NL with a few other legions here and there.

>>96896609
meh. I wouldnt do it.

>>96894135
It's not something GW would sell you...

>>96896701
Noice. I just got a whole bunch of WE characters(and a few conversions) and berserkers as despoilers as well, probably will go for a couple of assault squad boxes and mk2 bodies in the future.

>>96896497

I like to imagine they're a distinct formation from the regular headhunters, if only because that way my HQs are repeatedly agreeing to feed another platoon's worth of promising marksmen into the unit that suffers 33% cybertheurgic feedback casualties per mission at absolute minimum. This is not sustainable for one company of AL to do during the Scouring but fuck it, they want that [Praetor/Shield-Captain/Primarch] DEAD.
The fact they burn out so quickly also provides good writing fodder as they go mad from trying to apply foresight to a looping warp eddy, or get stuck repeating the same actions over and over again like a malfunctioning automata.

"Soulhunter Protocols" is a good ability name, saving that for the writeup.

>>96894135
Chyna or 3d print. Got some from both sources and they are excellent.

>>96894317
Tell me that's a Night Lords Dread anon.

>>96891575 (OP)
>>TQ
Recently finished up a Demons of the ruinstorm HQ for a Slaanesh based army I am slowly plonking away at. I have had the conversion idea and parts for years now and finally put it all together finally.

>>96896083
Can a Warmonger join Malefic units?

>>96897001

You can always True Believers him, although I'm not sure it's worth it. Gal Vorbak don't really do anything outside of melee and deep striking them keeps them from getting into combat for far too long.

>>96897014
>True Believers
Ah, of course. Yeah, at best you get what, t3 charge? I'd rather deep strike those WB saturnine lads instead. Speaking of, what's the loadout on them that'd be nice? I'm thinking choppy, dual fists with maybe one hammer, and flamers on all. No big guns since I'm afraid of the overload.

>>96897033
Wait, I'm retarded, they don't get a hammer, I was thinking of the command squad. Dual fists on all it is then.

So apparently these weren't actually around during the Heresy? Any ideas of which other Legion I can use them for, other than the Death Guard that were intended?

>>96897046
Imperial Fists
Iron Warriors
any breachers

>>96897046
Iron Warriors but you'd need the old MkIII helmets, the new ones are tiny in comparison and would look daft.

>>96897033

Fists and AP3 flamer, essentially. Cheap and effective, aim your DS to get maximum value from the templates and any charges are gravy. The hard decision is how big to make the squad, since the fixed costs of deep strike and the significant unit start tax means that a big squad of 6 is paying significantly fewer points per model than a min squad, but is also far more likely to be huge overkill given how slow they are. I'm personally going for 3, 4 tops, but I believe people have done work with larger squads too

EW1 means they can absorb disintegrator misfires quite well, but they can't fire them alongside the flamers, no Firing Protocols, so I think that's mostly good for adding ranged presence to the aforementioned big squad.

>>96896567
what, freed himself from that stasis trap or whatever it was beneath the imperial palace?

>>96897046
He's one of the rare space marines that get really bit and need custom armour.

>>96897033
well you could do fists+flamer like >>96897086 but it has one major downside, which is saturnine are slow as shit

the flamer is an 8" template, the warpfire mantle is 8", they move as fast as other saturnine (i.e not at all) and cannot run, setup moves are 1"
so quite easily the opponent can just move away from them, and they'll be doing basically jack shit

personally i'm arming mine with fists and plasma bombards as they're the "safer" option while still having range (disintegrators work too if you dont care about the overload) with an axe on the sergeant for the reaping blow 2 so they dont get swamped

>>96897105
>tfw you vox the local tech-priest for the breastplate stretcher

>>96892268
The correct answer to your question is remove the mold lines

>>96892268
I love how clean that red looks

>>96897121

Reaping Blow is calculated including Bulky, so I've always thought it a bit of a waste on Saturnine squads larger than two models. At mine size 12 you're not going to be outnumbered very often, and when you are you'll probably be fine with the fists.

Hadn't even considered giving them the plasma since the flamer is such good deep strike value already, but I can see the logic if you want more than the bare minimum squad for flamer clearing and tanky area denial.

>>96896585
you can now add one to a non Knights Errant list by taking them as a Command slot with the Special Mission or whatever prime advantage

>>96897457

Convenient, thank you. I didn't think Special Assignment let you mix factions and can't find anything about the Knights Errant in particular in any doc, where is this?

Shame we don't have the old build-a-bear 1e Knights Errant anymore, but I suppose the psychic techmarines were too powerful to be allowed to live.

>>96897555
allied detachment

>>96897602

Oh, I'm an idiot, thank you. Somehow forgot you can just duct tape characters in wherever you like now and got stuck on the old rule where they took a HQ slot in your primary detachment. Rubio can compete with Scoria for the title of guy-I-ally-in-occasionally, then, since Scoria isn't worth using as a warlord since his Apex sucks, but he's a pretty great and downright immortal beatstick.

>>96896609
no, only the spears on the jade lancers are scaled big enough

>>96897621
You can have as many allied dets as you want as long as you don't go over 50% of your point total so you can absolutely just bring both anon.

>Went to a HH event yesterday
>Had to explain a rule two or three times each game
>Pointed them to the page and paragraph for that rule, letting them read it themselves
>Each time my opponent muttered "They played that wrong in the battle report on <insert YT channel>" afterwards

Warhammer e-celebs is the worst thing that has happened to this hobby.

>>96897264
>>96897266
moar

>>96896076

Pretty sure ALone and Forgotten can only buff the replacement Centurions.

>>96897766
beginning of each game, before I unpack anything, I ask my opponent if they've ever heard of YouTube. If they answer yes, I leave.

>>96897766
Not even top 3 probably. With the worse thing that happened to HH, being taken over by core GW team and most important the new and "hip" sales departament.

>>96896996
Looks cool

>>96897757
...well no you can't, considering one is loyalist and the other is traitor...

>>96897976
Oh I'm completely retarded, sorry anon. Forgot scoria had the traitor allegiance despite literally having built a small mech force around him

>>96897046
Norf Albian bodytype

>>96897766
preferred enemy (influencer)

>>96897766
>play game
>me and opponent each have a 2+ command unit in squads
>they tank the fire and return fire until it's time to allocate lethal wounds
>later he tells his friends
>they tell him that's wrong and only 2.0 not 3.0
>next game, find the rule buried in the shooting phase section

>>96897841
Thanks for the army retard

>>96897841
Bizarre and also peak no games post.
>>96898211
Kek

>>96897766
What rules in particular.

For those interested in the math for Soul Hunters, against a goddamn leviathan dreadnought:
40 shots, 6.7 crits, 4.4 after invuln, 2 damage each so 8.8 damage. On average you're killing a leviathan in one volley.

You will also kill literally any character without EW (and will put a ton of damage on them either way).

Pretty bonkers for 350ish points for the combo.

>>96898224
buy an ad, pardo

>>96898301
Lmao.
I'm not the schizo walking away from a table if someone says they are aware of YouTube (I mean, you don't either, you don't even play, it's just retarded you thought that was some sort of flex to type out)

>>96898228
>Wound allocation
>Feel no Pain (you'd be surprised how many people think FnP works like in 40k)
>Characters joining units and how that interacts with the attrition and first strike secondary objective
>The false colours rule of the AL saboteur
>Critical hits against vehicles
Might have forgotten a few

>>96898319
Pretty new, could you please explain the character interaction with secondary objectives and the Crits against vehicles? I'm assuming the Crits don't actually do anything by virtue of not being able to cause a wound against a vehicle.
As for the characters I'm assuming when they're part of a unit they both count as being the same? e.g. even if you snipe out the praetor from his retinue you still need to kill the rest for First Strike.

>>96898360
Crits will not automatically pen a vehicle, but still benefit from +1D
Characters count as separate units for those secondary objectives, so have to count each one separately for last man standing and first strike

>>96898319
For feel no pain are they rolling the save for each point of damage instead of just one all or nothing roll?

>>96898360
Characters and the units they join count as separate units for First Strike and Attrition. If you snip a character from inside a unit turn 1, you get first strike - same as when you kill the unit and it's just the independent character left standing. This even counts for retinue units, as those are now their own distinct unit entry rather than taken alongside a praetor using the same single FOC slot.

Crits against vehicles can't automatically wound obviously, but the attack does still get +1 damage if you roll a successful penetrating hit.

>>96898381
Yes. This one happened in the last game of the event, meaning the person I played against had been rolling FnP for each point of damage in every game up until that point.

>>96898310
I'm sorry anon, I'll go find a guy who learned all his rules from youtube battle reports to play against right away. I'm sure this will be an extremely positive experience for both of us. In fact, anon, would you like to be my first game of Horus Heresy?

>>96896609
Just go to the gym

>>96896701
Ur butchers are wrong armour tho

>>96898445
You are deliberately ignoring my point you faggot, but I don't care people on this shit hole site don't argue honestly anyway
Anyone keep playing all those games I'm sure you are playing (lmao)

Are there any cool DA builds, that are different from 40 tacticals, seekers, 2 land raiders with cenobiums/deathwings ?
Like something that uses more terminators ? But in general anything that doesn't make you play the same thing everyone else is playing. Especialy if you don't have the resin legion specific stuff.

>>96898479
i'm not deliberately ignoring anything, anon, I'm just too stupid to comprehend what you're saying and am trying to make a friend.

>>96898485
Run a deathwing themed force, all(mostly) terminators

>>96898496
are the detachments to do it in an upcoming DA book? Or were the rules for it already dropped?

>>96898541
I have no idea

How much thunder will be stolen by ligma?

Also warhammer quest as the main event? I mean it'll have cool models and is basically a preview of future faction releases for AoS, but thats really the best they have?

>>96898485
40 Inductii, seekers, and 12 all volkite preds

>>96898541
All the rules you need to run it adequately are in the Liber Astartes book. Gonna be using some Deathwing Conclave, Shock Assault, and probably the retinue Apex detachment

>>96898541
Nigga the fuck do you need more detachments for you literally have the deathwing aux detachment

>>96898554
Okey. Thanks for the idea. Good thing to know that it isn't just the same thing played by everyone I see played at the store. right now in order to see a different list, I think I would have to create Mechanicus or Solar Auxilia players.

A full terminator or mostly terminator army sounds very cool. Plus I already have 20 cataphract and 10 tartaros and 15 idomitus from w40k.

>>96898569
femtodes cometh

>>96898485
I've been having a lot of fun and moderate success running despoilers and a deathwing companion squad in rhinos, supported by predators equipped with various weapons and boxnaughts as fire support.

>>96898569
no Titanicus reveals? this is fucked up, GW is really fucking this up

>>96898541
Have you even opened the liber astartes anon? DA are literally the legion to pick if you wanna spam terminators, retinues and elite units.

>>96898586
that sounds cool too. Thank you for the idea.

>>96898591
I was not in the know that army rules were already out. I returned to the game today. After a 1+ year break.
>>96898587
I will try to find the book online. Deathing Conclave sounds very cool . That is the "terminator" detachment right?

If my lack of knowladge offends anyone, all I can say is sorry. But my knowladge of 3ed is that contemptor cybots are now bad, and rules from seeing people play 3 games. Ah and that I need detachments now instead of rites of war.

>>96898569
>How much thunder will be stolen by ligma?
We already know they plan on releasing Liber Imperium, new Cataphractii and new MkIV in the future. We don't know when. But you could allow yourself to not be a doomer in the here and now.

>>96898601
Can you use the Command Squad painted bone white as Companions in power armour?

>>96898611
No. I have not. Till 10 post ago I have not been in the know of its existance. I do have the core rule book with me. Trying to read it, but it i mighty confusing.

>>96898610
I think anything titanicus related is just rolled under ligma at this point

>>96898569
30k will recieve boring rehashed models while LIgma will recieve new tiny models.
So none at all because TOW will wipe the floor with everyone else.

>>96898626
Contemptors are still fine, specially with things like gravis plasma cannons. They just aren't the godlike beings like they were in 2.0

>>96898651
I do think I have a contemptor with a conversion beamer. I for some reason love the weapon. It makes me thing of BFG. I somewhere/once had two predators with conversion beamer turrets. But without sponsons. I magnetized all of them, for land raiders too, and my mom threw them out. So now I have 3 w40k crusaders without gun mounts lol.

>>96898569
If we don't get an Imperator titan for Ligma and AT we riot.

>>96898662
Not a bad idea, conversion beamers are the best they have ever been. You're even allowed to put two conversion beamers on the same contemptor now.

>>96898695
That sort of stuff is for 3d printers and scratch building

>>96898787
So were warlord titans and primarchs once

>>96898812
Fair

>>96898569
The image makes it look like they are trying to commit another 9/11

>>96898569
Plastic Vultarax. Screencap this.

>>96898922
GW has finally had enough of energy prices and are headed to take out Ed Milliband.

>>96898569
If Quest is the main event it means nothing else will be more extensive than it.
We'll get a preview of the full breacher kit. Maybe see an individual model of something else. LIgma will get either a new campaign book or some new tanks.

>>96898569
They're coming back, this time with a journal behind them.

>>96899252
Doom and darkness.

>>96898411
FnP or the medic reaction

>>96899313
The feel no pain special rule. Not that it matter, you only roll a single dice for the medic reaction too.

Thoughts on a disintegrator jump command squad? Does that sound useful or is it insane?

>>96899358
It's a waste, but it's cool so I'm gonna do it too.

>>96899367
Would volkites be more sensible for a similar unit?

>>96899371
No.

>>96899358
One way or the other it sounds cool as fuck, that's all I care about

>>96899375
Arent they similar damage output to the small D rifles (blasters?), I doubt you want to risk your command squad with the Ap2 variants

>>96899448
Command squads can't take any of the AP 2 disintegrator weapons.

Still would.

>>96899448
The trouble is you're using an expensive command squad with a potent melee profile to shoot with the same effectiveness as a support squad.
The disintrgrator loadout is better because you can use a master of descent to deepstrike them at once, blast a line squad to dust, and maybe even survive, but their prey is still power armor chaff that costs a third of their points.
It's very cool but it's just that.

>>96896292
>Alpha legion is 100% loyal in new dropsite massacre book.
Read the book again, anon
That's NOT what actually happens. The AL wanted to ensure that the loyalists weren't totally annihilated, leaving their legions shattered but still around:
> ‘No one is supposed to survive this, you understand. A galaxy without three Legions, without three primarchs. Complete annihilation.’
> ‘There is no way of preventing massacre, but annihilation can be denied.’
Why all this? Why play traitor but still help the loyalists?
>‘Why are you doing this?’ Klave asks.
>Pech pauses and looks back, face as emotionless as a statue.
>‘For the Emperor,’ he says.

>>96897046
Sorry, anon. That's 100% nurglite DG armour.
It's like asking if helmets with bat wings are kosher for any other legion than NL

>>96899487
>blast a line squad to dust, and maybe even survive
But thats what im talking about, I remember some anon here doing the maths and it turned out that vs everything that isnt veq (so vets, outriders, reavers...) volkites were superior damage to the D rifles.

>>96898281

They do extremely consistent damage against almost anything with a T-value, pointswise.

On average they'll kill a Leviathan, put a Saturnine Dread or Primarch on two wounds or kill something on the order of five non-EW Cataphractii or Custodes, all of which are hovering around the 200-300pt mark in value. Then sometimes you hotroll and the Sat Dread or Primarch evaporates in one volley so you get to be smug about it, but I can't imagine they'll last long once people know what they're about.
I still yearn for Primarch blood though, there aren't many units in 3e that can realistically go Paragon hunting and it's always been what I like doing with my primarch-less Mechanicum and Blackshields.

>>96898281
>Soul Hunters
wuts that

>>96899523

Being stuck at S4 is just rough, especially on such a low shot count. The heavies and twin heavies might not be so bad on units that can tank the overloads, but AP2 D2 basically means that's limited to Phraetus and maybe the new Thousand Sons arcana.

>>96898281
Wouldn't that kill a saturnime dread too?

>>96899523
Really? That's neat. I guess I shouln't armchair preach.

>>96899552

The Sat dread has 4++ rather than 5++, so it lives. It's not very happy about it on average, so you can probably finish it with something like a Venator or what have you, but as usual it's perfectly happy to return-fire your squishy little guys off the face of the earth if you try it, so I'm not sure it's the best trade.

>>96899358
>>96899371
Are you trying to kill MEQ? Volkite
Are you trying to kill TEQ? Disintegration
That's why deepstriking shredder + disintegrator faturnines are cool, they can mulch both

>>96899564
Yea, its 4.5 wounds vs tacs (volkite) vs 4.1 wounds vs tacs (d rifles)

Vs 2+ armor t4 its 2 wounds vs 0.7

blasting a line squad isn't exactly a high bar

>>96899575
>>96899588
Put a plasma moritat in the unit to supplement the shooting and volley fire rad grenades so the whole squad's assault isn't as impotent.
Christ that's like a 400 point dropstar to whack a couple mooks

>>96891575 (OP)
Seeing as a lot of nogames are having trouble with this, how do YOU pilot vanguard effectively. Personally I’ve been getting a lot of use out of ds a Tartaros siege squad w/ p blasters using a warmonger. I can soften any line units and can then shift to nearby vehicles as my other vanguard units sweep up tac squads

>>96899605
It's about doing it with style

>>96899622
Can't do that any more, now that moritats have Bitter Duty again.

And before we get the whole shitstorm again: this time GW did remember to make Bitter Duty very clear on how it works.

>>96899658
Oops.

>>96899622
I was thinking more a dude with a hammer in there, jump up the board taking pot shots, then charge in and let your hammers win you the combat vs whats left.

>>96899682
They only got bitter duty last week, so youre more or less in the clear.

>>96896850
>33% of initiates stop gambling their soul right before striking a Critical Hit!

>>96899537
Another AL anon came up with the name further up, it's specifically Headhunters using the BS6 Strat to output stupid amounts of damage into anything.
The idea being that through some kind of malefic process they're seeing into the future/guiding their bullets/have True Sight/whatever your head cannon is.
I liked it so that's what I'm gonna start calling mine, thinking of it like an elite taboo platoon within the already elite Headhunter Corps. Might have to find the Latin or Greek translation of it to make it more Alpha Legion though, maybe psychotheuretes/psychokynigos or Esor Animae

>>96899739
>the BS6 Strat
?

Do you mean make them malefic and have a magos buff them?

>>96899739
>Psycho kill niggas
>Anime

>>96899747
Yep, letting them Crit on 6s to hit is pretty nasty when a squad of ten has 40 shots. You're basically sniping with lascannons.
>>96899751
You should be beaten to death with hammers

>>96897150
>Lanky youngster, Fully Grown Adult, Old Guy
Flesh is such an ephemeral gift

>>96897264
>>96897266

Ligma is cute but the biggers call to me... Do you guys have a recommendation for airbrush guides?

>>96899252
I don't know which one has the most variants:
>Knight Heads
>Primaris Lieutenants

>>96899658
Ooooooooh. Never thought I'd see that day.
Wait so, who can Moritats join now? Only Destroyers?

>>96899800
Anyone with bitter duty. As it should be.

>>96899772
i suspect that vulkan was not just black nor dark heart of africa black as hell but indeed even more transcendently negro than that

>>96899815
More like BORE-gar Alligator

>>96899768
twink to daddy pipeline

>>96899739
Yeee. Soul sight in greek would be Psychoskopos. A psychoscope sounds like a forbidden thing to have

>>96899739
>>96899864
Would their squad leader be a psychopomp?

Huh, apparently gw restocked mk4? My local dealer has got 12 boxes of it

>>96899516
Clearly Perturabo designed it first but found it too clunky for even him, cue Mortarion licking his chops and considering it a "gift".

>>96899516
But it's literally a cuirass

>>96899658
So basically the only way to get any benefit from rad grenade now is to run those red hand destroyers from WE?

>>96899915
Could it be...they're announcing plastic mk5 next weekend?!

>>96899800
Off the top of my head
>generic destroyers
>Legion destroyers
>Procurators (which may actually make them worth raking)

>>96899915
They doomped et

>>96900022
Ashen Circle, the best destroyer squad available. Red Hand destroyers, which can take both pistols, rad launcher AND caedere weapons, aka two pistols and two falx blades. And thunder hammers per 5. Jesus Christ, are Red Hands really good?

What might have been?

>>96899788
> Disgusting bigger lover
Gross

>>96900258
I like fem primarchs but even I think them being bros is where it's at.

Anyway real talk, what is it with fan artists making Fulgrim look like he's in drag whenever they draw him? He's described as a handsome and beautiful dude, he should be looking like Fabio not some back alley hooker

>>96900442
>Fabio
In a wind tunnel.

>>96899985
No, just bring any unit that has rad grenades. Rad grenades are a ranged weapon that can apply the Phage debuff now, not something that provides a bonus when charging or charged.

>>96900442
>he should be looking like Fabio not some back alley hooker
Softcore draws more attention. A lot of publicity has devolved into softcore. It really is an era of gooning

>>96899758

The funny thing is that they're basically a sidegrade to what 1kSons can just break out on any unit with Breaching. Apply Corvidae buff for Rending 5+, apply Divination buff for Precision 5+ if you want to shoot a character, 10 HSS autocannons apply 10 AP2 D2 autowounds on average from across the map. Since most of the actual damage comes from the Corvidae buff they can spam the hell out of it on any squad with a reasonable amount of Breaching or high AP shooting, no Prime, allies, fragile 1W MEQ or support HQs required except maybe Ahriman to enable sniper mode whenever required. The Headhunter bomb is still somewhat more efficient at deleting characters, but the Sons have a way easier time using that tactic to pour on generic damage.

I have a sneaking feeling that 1kSons may be a tiny bit above the usual power curve.

>>96900536
Do you get bonuses from phage on the rest of the shooting of the same unit? Throw nade-apply phage(T)- wound better?

>>96900632
Brother, Phage now lasts until the end of the battle. One unsaved wound and that's it, those marines are now as tough as guardsmen. It is crazy strong.

>>96900621
TSons are absolutely bonkers this edition so I'm not surprised that one of the more powerful combos of one of the most powerful legions is just something the TSons can bring multiple of every game with no real effort.
The absolute most Malefic headhunters you can get is two squads of ten. For TSons autocannons + librarians you can bring what, 5 squads? If you don't give a shit about the precision you could probably make a whole 3k list made up entirely of corvidae autocannons to remove anything with a toughness value.

>>96900682
>Vile toxins, exotic radiation and all-consuming chemical agents
Which are the Ashen Circle's axe-rakes?

>>96900704
The axe rakes drop movement and not toughness so I'm assuming it's to represent them going for the legs first as opposed to being a more subtle type of alteration.

>>96900682
Huh. That makes volkite pistols wound on 2+...

>>96900704
Those use the good old classic move of going for the hamstrings.

>>96900704
>Sweep the legs.

>>96900740
>It will be done, Lorgar-sensei.

>>96900691

Pretty much, yeah. You really don't need more than two Divination HQs to snipe anything with a pulse, three to kill Horus Ascended in one round. Also amazing on their custom aether-fire guns, which are FP2 D2 Breaching 6+ so every 240pt tacsup squad has a 70% chance of hitting almost as hard as the headhunter ball.

Most of 1ksons really isn't so bad, it's purely Corvidae and the Kine Shields from Raptora that make them utter monsters.

>>96899813
Here, rare photo of Salamander recruit losing natural skin pigmentation

>>96900704
A chainsaw to the legs. Surprisingly effective.

Do any anons here have any experience with warlayer terrain? Just getting a printer and it looks pretty sweet, I like that I can just disassemble it after a game so it doesn't take up a whole room in my house.
If I go for it, which set would fit the Horus Heresy more? Forbidden War is more gothic/hiveworld, 5.0 is more industrial/forgeworld

>>96891636
Yep. He basically thought he and his dad would rule as kings together, instead he found himself a mere general beheld to lesser men. There is also an aspect of him feeling insufficient for the task, that the emperor has cast him and the other primarchs out. Doomed to an eternity of pushing the imperium ever onwards yet never being rewarded for it or ever returning to their fathers light. People here aren't usually very interested in the psychological Impact of the emperor, especially on the primarchs. He is the singular being they have ever met who can outmatch them in everyday. He fills them with love and pride and belonging with his "divinity" and has spent years together with horus feeding his feelings of being first among equals and how the emperor expects the greatest and most flawless of all the primarchs and then he fucks of without any explanation. And then when he finally gets letter from home.... it's the space IRS.

>>96899934
That is a cuirass, but >>96897046 is definitely not a fucking cuirass.
The important detail for cuirass's is that the large plate covers from the waist to the collarbone. But that shitty torta-gay bay one is from the hips to the collarbone making it look like abysmal dogshit and for a fat motherfucker

>>96900442
Even early heresy he is described as adorning himself with obnoxious perfumes and garish pigments. He should look like fabio as a rupaul contestant.

>>96901691
>look like abysmal dogshit and for a fat motherfucker

Am willing to bet 80% of tr00nscalers are obese amerifats with body dysmorphia after seeing not but fat fucks all around them every day. They don't even know what a healthy, in shape person looks like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8i7-dYX2Ok
video's been making the rounds

basically:
>3e missions are shit (boring, cookie cutter, phoned in)
>line is too good, vanguard is too easy to dodge
>fix line by limiting how many total bonus points you can score from it to 3 a turn
>fix vanguard by making it so you score against units that began that turn on an obj

>add secondaries
>supply drop (100mm base you customize and treat as difficult+dangerous terrain)
>treat as objective that only infantry can score at end of game
>you can destroy your opponent's if you control it to score
>table quarter control (you count number of non-vehicle models in each corner, bulky is factored in)
>hold more than double and you get more vp
>if there are no enemies then you get even more

>fixed map layouts (this one is gay)
>more thought out primary scenarios
>standard "objectives in your deployment zone are 1 vp, no mans land is 3 vp and enemy deployment zone is 4vp" mission
>mission where objectives are formed in an X shape and you score points dependent on how many adjacent/coherent objectives you control in a line
>mission where 8 objectives turn on and off
>mission where you score depending on how long you hold an objective
>king of the hill style mission where you need to extract your high command and also score some midfield stuff

I think the table quarters secondary is a comp 40k snoozefest as well as the fixed terrain but I do agree that the missions are by far the worst part of 3e. Making a community mission pack seems like the best way to make the game more interesting.

>>96901842
>Turn HH into 40k
>"We saved it"

If I wanted to play 40k I'd play that instead.

>>96901870
I know you jerk off a lot but can you not make jerk your knee too

>>96901842
>The Honest Heresy made this video
Don't click on it. There, I saved you seconds of your life.

>>96901878
Buy an ad next time faggot

>>96901896
deep strike off a chair instead of replying to me

>>96901842
oh look another video to ignore from that garbage channel. Thanks!
>>96901842 video's been making the rounds
This is on the same vein as the "doing the rounds" of redditors not reading phosphex rules. Begone attention whore reddit harlet.

>>96901902
Do it yourself you pussy, seems to be on the front of your mind already.

>>96901922
it's ok, you can pass your reserve check next turn, maybe bring a master of descent with you next game

>>96901918
>esl

>>96901842
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CPpdeVBhS9PeG2O6XK7en5ugCcvaCL-L/view
I've been using a few of the ones from this mission pack, basically just some 1.0 and 2.0 ones adapted to 3.0.
The changes to vanguard and line are pretty good in what you showed but the missions are aggressively mid

>>96901940
I like the idea of the homebrew missions if only because they invalidate line so you are forced to do more than shove tacticals in rhinos

>>96901970
Tacticals in rhinos are an entry level skill check, there are a lot of ways to deal with that. If you repeatedly lose to tacticals in rhinos with a kratos backing them up it's a you problem.

>>96901980
do you make it a hobby of woefully misconstruing posts?
makes sense since you're probably a hobbylet

>>96901980
Facts though, even a couple of games into 3.0 you should be able to see and adapt to rhino rush and punish the shit out of it with your counter plays. I see lots of whining about infinite tac squads yet I salivate at someone disembarking onto an objective and cleaing up all that soft 3+ save chaff. I find T5/WS5 terminator spam with AV 14 back up much more indimidating or massed demo cannons.

>>96901970
I do like that it means that having line(2) just means it's easier to reach the vp cap as opposed to giving you an insurmountable lead. I'm going to test out using the line and vanguard changes in combination with those missions I posted

>>96902040
I even prefer not to get the first player turn, as it better allows me to completely eradicate all the enemy's scoring units turn 1, completely removing their ability to score more points for the rest of the game. A single turn of scoring with Line 2 does not outweigh three turns of scoring most or all objectives with other units.

>>96901691
>The important detail for cuirass's is that the large plate covers from the waist to the collarbone.
I want to think it's an articulated cuirass? If it is articulated, you can bend over. Like actually bend your spine instead of only rotating at the hips.
If I were to make one, I would make a big belly plate, then fit a smaller chest plate in it.
As in, my chest is already protected by a sternum and ribs. My belly has no such endoskeleton.
If someone were to slip a dagger into that armour, they'd need to stab downwards towards the guts, instead of upwards towards the heart. Idk I think I'd have a better chance with an articulated Belly Plate?

I really can't blame Astartes for wearing one.

>>96902161
>thinks going second is better
now I know you have a soft skull

>>96901842
>>fix line by limiting how many total bonus points you can score from it to 3 a turn
Yuck. Fix line by making it an Action. That is, the unit only gains the Extra points if it doesn't fight an enemy at all, and that includes shooting

>>96901970
Im still in the phone, those missions put a cap in yo ass how many Line you can score per turn?

>>96902186
>actions
tell me you're a 40k tourist without saying you're a 40k tourist

>>96902184
You clearly have not played 3.0 or at least not with the recommended amount of terrain. It is so easy to deploy your army completely out of LOS now that having the first turn more often than not means you can barely do any damage to the enemy, without barrage you can pretty much forget getting VP from First Strike.
Going second means you get to attack all the now exposed units your opponent moved onto the objectives, guaranteeing First Strike and allowing you do to way more damage in your first active turn.

But it won't surprise me if people on /hhg/ can't comprehend how this works, they still think the only unit you should bring is thunder hammer terminators after all.

>>96902040
Those spartan shields make it look like some kind of AI picture lmao
>>96901980
So, I'm thinking Tacticals in Rhinos get countered by Terminators, preferably in LRs for ease of delivery. At that price point, each LR Termie spearhead will be tasked to kill multiple Rhino Tactical groups to make their points back, which I assume isn't such a hard goal to set.
...but then what counters a Terminator squad in a Land Raider?
And please do not say an even bigger more elite terminator squad in a Spartan.
I'm thinking jump Veterans with hammers...but that is my hammer brain thinking everything is nails. I don't think I can get away with just hammering everything I can. This isn't 2.0 :^)

>>96898569

Well from the looks of things... WQ is their big thing, AoS is getting more completely forgettable Nurgle stuff, those fireworks sadly mean ToW is getting more broken Cathay stuff, the Ultramarine box with an Aquila means more space marines for 40k.

Personally I'd like to see plastic outriders, since Outrider Praetors and Praetorians fucking slap statwise, but everything seems to be pointing towards new Terminators.
I'm hard pressed to think what Ligma doesn't already have at this point. 8mm Primarchs?

>>96902212
More historian than tourist: 10E no longer has actions. Those were a 9E thing (I played 8th and 9th).
But also... Actions are a 1.0 thing, and that was way earlier than 9th, as can be seen in the Cities of Death version of HH4, published 11 years ago, in the Mission where you have to destroy the city:
An infantry unit has to get in base contact with a designated ruins, and cannot shoot or be locked in combat. On a 4+, the place is set aflame. Units with breaching charges and melta bombs have the option to dynamite the place instead.
They didn't call it "action", but that's what it was.

>>96902214
When the enemy is close at hand and remains quiet, he is relying on the natural strength of his position… When he keeps aloof and tries to provoke a battle, he is anxious for the other side to advance.

>>96902222
Tacticals in rhinos also get countered by any unit that has infiltrate. Infilttrating infantry blocks tacticals from moving onto the objectives turn 1 by just standing there, don't even need to do anything. Tarantula sentry guns can also block the movement of the rhino, and get some free shots in too.
Anything firing large blasts also decimates tacticals, often for much cheaper than terminators. A castraferrum dread with two gravis plasma cannons is only 135 points, only 25 points more than a tactical squad with a nuncio vox. A predator with heavy conversion beamer? A mere 130 points.
Units with blasts also make it way more fun if they use the movement react back into their rhino trick. When you pop the rhino you do at least have enough vehicle killing power to destroy a rhino, right means the tacticals have to emergency disembark - leaving them all nice and bunched up in base to base contact with one another, in prime position to get violated by some pie plates.
Depending on position and the speed of your anti-grav units, you can also move the anti-grav unit behind the tactical squad, and block them from movement reacting away. And then your vanguard unit moves up.

>>96902222
SA Command squads come with a 5++ so its a super easy cool way to show on the table they are tougher than all the other swarms of T3 haha. I miss them being able to take spears...... had them all converted up as well.

>>what counters a Terminator squad in a Land Raider?
Fast stacks of pie templates small and large, demo cannons and alot of the new breaching D2 weapons ruin terminators and their like, they also ruin line troops as well. + you need to remember status spam is a BIG thing in 3.0. Neuturing line or basic scoring can happen off a single mulit laser hit forcing a status check.

Dealing with AV14 is 3.0 biggest hurdle though, you need to dedicate serious firepower to it like laser rapiers or get up close with dreads and other high str melee options.

>>96901842
>Making a community mission pack seems like the best way to make the game more interesting.
Very true but you won't find any talent to do so here in the pit of despair.

>>96894317
Time for painting!

>>96902312
Looks too much like some T''''''''''''''au shit for my taste, but you do you man.

>>96902284
Damn, those are some good looking SA

>>96902222
Shoot the lr and shoot the guys inside. Laser destroyers are the anti-tank gun this edition. 260 points of laser destroyer rapier batteries average the land raider. Solar aux and militia also get them. Mechanicum can status the fuck out of vehicles with vulturax / moirax, and the missiles aren't bad at dealing damage either. 3 custodes jetbikes average like 11 hull points on a shoot + volley and charge turn.

>>96902312
>6 of the same type
>Shoulder mounts are comically large
>Somehow removed the middle part of Volkite-Culverin
>No melee
Checking my list here and it seems... Yup.. Your a faggot

>>96898569
Ligma: Battlefleet Gothic

>>96902358
>Somehow removed the middle part of Volkite-Culverin
For someone so opinionated, you don't seem to realize that it's part of the volkite design.

>>96902280
Infiltrators can block Tacticals, but not Rhinos. Vehicles now move unimpeded by non-vehicles, and no longer have to stop when reaching a unit like they did in 2.0.
Good tips about pts costs and blasts, anon, thanks

>>96902358
>ranged unit is ranged
Say it ain't so.

>>96902445
What you do is deploy the infiltrators around the objective. Sure the rhino can move over them, but the tacticals still need to disembark and move into objective range - which they can't do if there is an infantry unit standing there.

>>96902312
Congrats on somehow managing to build a 40k model out of Heresy kits.

>>96902312
Is there such a thing as too much choom?

>>96902410
>Waaaaaah but.. but... theres actually one volkite that dosnt have a middle part
Me not knowing every variation of one weapon still dosnt change that you are a faggot

>>96902312
It's like some optimized custom battletch build

>>96902703
Apology accepted.

>Kor Phaeron OP image
This thread has been blessed by the Bearers of the Word. Just completed up a despoiler squad to run as part of an allied detachment to my World Eaters and/or Dark Mechanicum.

>>96902769
moody as fk anon, lovely

>>96898569

>How much thunder will be stolen by ligma?

The thunder belongs to epic scale. Adeptus Titanicus was the first game set in the Horus Heresy.

>>96902769
i demand more pictures word bro

>>96902990
I dont have a lot of word bearers done up yet, but I'm fond of this squad grenadier. Next up is my Phreatus Anointed and a Saturnine Centurion to round out the allied detachment.

>>96902976
>laughs in an eternity of carnage and the laughter of thirsting gods

>>96902312
>Saturn-Scoparius pattern dreadnought

>>96902184
top kek

Does anyone have different goldship transparent pngs? I'm getting bored of this one.

>>96903278
>>96903278
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>>96903321
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>>96896030
That's a level of gamey minmaxing I expect of 40k players. Cool batrep and minis and spamming phosphex from the other side balanced it in this case. But I wouldn't want to play that.

>>96903395
you are going to hate it when I'm juicing my daemon brutes to WS5 with cybertheurgies

>>96896030
I hate this but since you're effectively testing against IN5 I don't really give a shit

have fun blowing your Magos' brains out thinking about meltacooming