I honestly, unironically cannot understand the universal obsession with Japan. Is it just some anime-induced delusion? I gave it several tries and it is unquestionably the most overrated travel destination in the world.

If I were to sum up Japan in one word, it would be "superficial". It all looks nice but if you look under the facade just a little bit then it's all fucking shit. The fake pleasantries are one example of this but there's tons of others: the culture of cute/cosy cafes and restaurants dotted around Japanese cities that actually all sell the exact same sub-par and boring products; the food culture of making it look extra nice and colorful but then it's actually just some bland and completely uninspired flavor plus a random selection of pickled vegetables whose compatibility with the other food is severely questionable; the overall autistic retardation of the people that sucks the fun out of any event, izakaya, or club and makes even nightlife seem like a chore.

Honestly, choose any random destination in Asia and I guarantee that you will have more fun, eat more interesting food, and enjoy yourself more than in Japan.

I guess I could understand wanting to go to Japan specifically if you want to see their temples and shrines, but then even that I enjoyed equally if not more in, say, China or Thailand.

Japan is a fucking meme.

>>2798604 (OP)
It's rather safe and clean compared to a lot of beginner traveling destinations, it's exotic to westerners, Japan has a foothold in pop culture due to a lot of media it produces, and it has an amazing public transportation system. It's very easy to see why people would pick it when deciding where to travel outside of the western bubble. Different strokes for different folks, maybe you just enjoy other stuff and that's just fine.

>>2798604 (OP)
>choose any random destination in Asia
Sure
>Nanning, China
lol
>Jakarta
lol
>Phonm Penh
lmao even

>>2798607
>>2798610
I'm from the UK and this just isn't impressive. The beer is piss water tailored to Americans(which are everywhere). The touts are annoying. The music and lights are too loud. Drugs are by far too hard to come by. Women are too pricey.

I'd just rather have gone to Spain or Thailand for holiday with my mates than this trash.

>>2798611
>this is actually a seethe at Americans thread
Typical

japan is awesome, people like it because it has tons to offer, safe, unique, history, culture, good food, attractive women, good entertainment... list goes on, it's cringy to hate on japan

>>2798607
>>2798615
reddit-tier opinions

>>2798611
Too bad you thought you must be popular in Japan because you are white.

>>2798611
>Drugs are by far too hard to come by
wtf did you expect in east asia?
>Women are too pricey.
go to Tobita Shinchi or the other red light area in Osaka, they're not cheap, but are reasonably priced and more importantly there's none of the usual Japanese bullshit

>>2798611
I didn't really enjoy Tokyo much, the novelty wore off quick.
Enjoyed Osaka and Kyoto a lot though, thought they had a lot more soul.

>>2798604 (OP)
You've never been there.

>>2798627
>y-you've never been there

>>2798628
So you haven't? Thought so.

>>2798611
>Americans(which are everywhere)
tells me exactly where you spent your time when you came here
if anything there's way more jeets and chinese
plenty of cool things to do and see outside of the tourist bubbles

>>2798604 (OP)
>superficial
Okay. How much of the world is ugly on the surface? Especially the Third World. So much hideousness along the roadsides. People go to Japan for the aesthetic. Unlike Europe, where everyone treats a below-average guy like a non-person, you can easily buy companionship in Japan. This makes low-value males cream their pants in joy.
>it's all fucking shit
Compared to what? Have you looked under the surface of a Bangkok night market? What about the kitchen of your favorite Mexican restaurant during peak hours? You're comparing Japan to some fictional utopian world of perfect people, a place which doesn't exist.
>autistic retardation
That's a selling point, you know. In a world full of smooth talkers and easy laughs, the socially challenged 4chan user feels painfully alone and unwanted. In Japan, he doesn't feel out of place, he feels right at home.

no niggers + excellent infrastructure + great nature + anime + decent-enough brothels + bike-able + trains go everywhere + locals don't scam you + anime + no niggers

If you can't understand why some people might enjoy peacefully taking a local train trip out to the middle of nowhere at a clean and non-dysfunctional train station without bribing anyone or getting harassed by an authoritarian government and then taking a 2am stroll at your destination without nightskins giving you the evil eye for no reason, then that's on you. Obviously other asian countries are also great to travel in, but Japan is objectively still one of the best places to just zone out and wander for a while without worrying about stupid shit.

It is rather sad that it's getting so popular with norms now though. I preferred when the whitoid stereotypes were being a gross weeb otaku/english teacher as opposed to the current growing stereotype of being some douchebag geomaxxer/influencer.

China and Thailand, as you mention, certainly beat Japan in some regards, but Japan pretty obviously excels in others. Maybe I'd take your argument more seriously if you said you preferred Taiwan since I've heard it's like Japan but slightly less autistic and less overtourism, but I don't fucking want to learn Taiwanese. Japan remains #1 for me. I say this as someone who desperately wants to learn another asian language and get immersed in another country, but I just haven't felt that spark for anywhere else. Maybe China should make some fucking cartoons about sexy high school girls if they actually gave a shit about beating Japan at being based.

>>2798611
>The music and lights are too loud. Drugs are by far too hard to come by.

KYS, you drug addicted hick. Asia is not for you.

>>2798604 (OP)
It's a nice place with a unique culture that's not getting jeeted like the rest of the world

It was easy to understand in 2003. Not so much in 2025. Makes me sad.

I've been investigating a lot lately,since I'm semi interested in moving there and see if I can place a business and hopefully take it somewhat easy, and from what I can tell, Tokio is cool but souless
Rural areas are outright scary with almost nothing, smaller sities is where it might be at
I can tell how they invested heavily in a single city and not everywhere, even ignoring beautiful places that could be great for older tourists

>>2798604 (OP)
Japans culture just seems the most foreign, while also being the most modern.

I dont wanna go to a third world country to see vastly different culture because i like roads and places being clean.

So japan SEEMS like itd give me a chance to see a culture that does things vastly different from america, but also has a modern infrastructure, is clean, and safe.

>>2799745
why do americans love japan so much

>>2799619
tier 2 cities like Fukuoka and Nagoya are nice but have less built-in resources for expats, especially you don’t know Japanese. Tokyo gets labeled as soulless but I find that it offers the most opportunities for expats. As long as you’re not working in traditional international or Japanese corporate environments, I think Tokyo can be very rewarding with practically endless hobby, socializing, and other side activities. Still the macro trade-off with Japan, or even South Korea, compared to SEA is general stability and modern infrastructure for less vibrant interactions. In many ways places like Thailand and Malaysia are the emerging Asian economic power houses with tons of exciting opportunities. I lived in Japan for two years in the early 2010s. Although I was working for an American government contractor the experience was great. I had an apartment near Yokohama but had tons of friends further out. The pace of life in the smaller towns like Chiba and areas near Sagami Bag south of Yokosuka were idyllic. In short, I’d recommend trying out Japan for six months to a year. You may like it. Both city and smaller cities have tons to offer.

>>2799749
I just explained it you idiot

>>2799745
How is Japan the most modern when it is the single technologically most stagnant country in east asia

>>2799865
it's not, these meme opinions just take 50 years to change. literally all of japan's reputation is based on what people used to say about it in the 1980s. it was pretty accurate then, it just has not changed to reflect reality

Fun things are fun in Japan

I was lucky enough to visit with a work visa during COVID lockdown. Completely empty temples, etc, very much a spiritual experience.

Now it's kind of a disneyland of amerimutt tourists. I'm not going again until next global pandemic

>>2798604 (OP)
Japan is cool. It’s extremely safe. The worst thing that will probably happen to you is you get drunk and wake up in a strange place. Yes, a lot of it is consumerist, but Japanese people aren’t disgustingly indulgent like Americans are so, they aren’t ugly obese monsters who uglify their cities because brown imports destroyed the nice parts. There’s no trash strewn around the place. For a first time traveler Japan is ideal.

>>2800000
underrated get

>>2800060
>Japanese people aren’t disgustingly indulgent like Americans are so, they aren’t ugly obese monsters who uglify their cities
is this some mass delusion? wake up, open your eyes, Japanese urban areas, which constitute the majority of the country, are pretty fucking ugly and chaotic, like cleaned up technologically advanced slums

>>2799488
>no niggers
That’s over, sadly. It’s full of curryniggers now.

>>2801883
As much as I love to shit on Indians for driving wages down and being nepotistic and generally just being way too high in population as well as being better goyslaves than almost anyone else, make no mistake: they're 5% as bad as actual American blacks, at worst. They don't shoot and stab and harass strangers and completely ruin communities, for the most part. An indian community might smell like shit and by dysfunctional in a lot of ways, but a black community? You can't even take a fucking walk.

Did you know Japan has VENDING MACHINES? I wonder why the US doesn't.

>>2801832
Huh??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?

>>2798604 (OP)
I heard that any kind of p4p service, even literal street hookers, won’t play with your uncovered pecker and even covered it’s an insane markup

Anyone who’s actually done the deed report in

>>2801905
Dude fucking kys already

It’s over. Japan is becoming just another multicultural dump. Im envious of everyone who got to visit it beforehand.

>>2801883
>>2801884
I learned Japanese, moved to Japan and have been living happily. Many reasons, but this counts among them >>2799488

And it’s true that there’s some Indians (and SEA people) around, mainly staffing konbinis and cheap cafes etc. in city centers. My experience has been good, to be honest. I presume getting here selects to better ones among them, plus the existing Japanese rules and regulations work on them. I would avoid living close to them, I guess. Just know Japanese and I’m sure your agent will tell what areas to avoid when looking for a room. It was like that for me.

>>2798604 (OP)
I don't like brown and black people so Japan seems nice

>>2799749
America has been in a Tsundere relationship with Japan since the 1850 with some of the most violent and peaceful mood swings in recorded history.
They say a monk in Edo Japan predicted hundreds of years from then a great empire forged from resiting kings would one day bring the rising sun litterally onto the lands.

>>2798604 (OP)
Jokes aside I live in Japan (mind you I came here for work mandates and not out of direct desire). Japan has alot of GLARING flaws however, I would tolerate these flaws rather than dealing with the BS of many other parts of the world America included.
I enjoy being able to go for a night walk in a *sketchy* part of town and the only hazard I have to deal with is touts and cute girls. I love the fact that service here isnt some *inconvenience* to the business owner and is part of the product. And I love the easily accessible natural beauty that's only 45mins away by train. I like not getting entirely jewed house hunting or renting becuase real-estate here isnt utterly pozzed by kike private equity firms in the US. Yeah they have ugy modern architecture and there is a huge issue of social problems like loneliness and stress but keep in mind its what you make it.

>>2798604 (OP)
>safe and clean
>cheap
>very easy to get around
>a lot of culture for a small country, theres so much to do in just tokyo itself
>the landspace has this weird retro-future vibe that you wouldn't find anywhere else and they have maintained their hertiage buildings and identity

>>2801906
Hey can you answer my fuckin question I don’t need your yap

Where the fuck can you still go where it's cheap and there are no blacks and arabs, I don't mind Asians.

I don't even care about the cultural crap like castles and temples and whatnot, I just want to go to Tokyo to eat food I can't get in the US, buy my wife some nice quality cosplay lingerie, and maybe try out the hot springs somewhere.

I typically go to Jakarta every few years because that's where my wife is from, though ethnically Chinese. We're going to Lombok next year.

China is on our to-do list, but Japan is going to be first.

>>2798604 (OP)
I lived in Japan for about 5 years and graduated from a university there, while I was there I unironically developed pre-diabetes. I did not know most of their food contained MSG and were filled with sugar and additives. Here in Canada at least there's a lot more awareness about eating shitty food. I will probably travel to Japan this year, but looking through amazon.co.jp there's not much choice for healthy food eaters. This is the country that starved to death during the second world war after all.

>>2802365
I'm with you about hating food in Japan (ramen is just salty noodles, sushi is raw fish lmao), but I can't understand how dumb you have to be to develop diabetes while preaching about "food awareness" and uttering the words "healthy food eaters" while looking at amazon for groceries.
My man, if you were 1% aware you'd be buying wholefoods and fucking cooking instead of becoming diabetic, if you were 2% aware you'd be looking at the labels before buying any processed food. Instead of blaming an entire country for your diabetes because you "did not know most of their food contained MSG and were filled with sugar and additives", I suggest you develop some responsibility for your actions and actually practice what you preach about "food awareness".

>>2798616
Hating on Japan is the literal reddit opinion

>>2798604 (OP)
Its somewhat high culture asian country with 1st world country standards of living
>food is good to amazing, you literaly cant eat bad
>infrastructure is amazing, you can get to anywhere
>hotels and accomodation is usualy high standard (minus small rooms, but its a standrad)
>people mind there own buisness ,so its amazing for introverts
>you have a good mix of culture, pop-culture, sightseeing, nature and other leisure acrivities
>if youre not a hamburger and only dwell in tokyo and kyoto, japan is full of atractions that are not overcrowded, you just need to do a reaserch beforehand
>its probably just me but I always buy like 10+kg of food products and some cute stuff like plushies and other merch because I let my materialist self lose (i mainly buy for my gf, but she buys likewise stuff for me).
Last but not least, japan is safe and I dont even talk about being robbed.
1st time when I was in harajuku with my gf, she left a bag from kiddieland with stuff worth around 100dol+ on the main street (we sat on the bench for like 5min and she just forgot to pick it up). 20min later I asked her where is her bag and we returned to the bench. It took us like 35-40min total, someone layed it down on the same bench and leave it in the open, so it could be easier to spot it. It remained unopened, while herds of people went about their day to the point that it was hard to get back to the bench.
Japan and japs got their problems, but still they have amazing qualities.

>>2798604 (OP)
It's the only place in the world that's both distinct from just "America but they speak a different language" and safe enough you're unlikely to be stabbed.

If Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, France, Peru, Mexico, South Africa, Turkey, Egypt, India, Thailand, and Cambodia weren't some flavor of shithole they'd all be cooler than Japan but I like keeping both kidneys so the only halfway exotic place to visit left is Japan.

The real "why go here" places are South Korea and Taiwan. Same experience as Japan but more likely to get abducted off the street by organ harvesters.

>>2803194
Why Taiwan of all places? I have a friend who graduated from a Taiwanese university and his parents told me Taiwan is a first-world country that is quite cool to visit and retains most of the pre-communist Chinese culture

>>2803215
>Why Taiwan of all places?
You're going to an island that straight up could get nuked any day now and there are CCP agents that literally abduct people on the street. Same as Korea.

Japan has less chances to be abducted or murdered

>>2798604 (OP)
Japan is a has-been, dying country that is living off its past reputation.

>no innovation, no longer known for shit like the shinkansen or other technological marvels, they are stuck in the 1980s and 1990s
>poorer than South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, at the current rate it will be soon overtaken by Malaysia and Thailand
>full of boomers and a shrinking, aging population (thus no innovation). Their network backbone is still running on shit like Windows Server and floppy disks are still a thing there
>no art scene
>increasingly full of Pajeets and Africans
>currency just shat the bed
It's a sad themepark for weeaboos that want to go to overpriced anime cafes and eat off vending machines.

>>2803324
>dying country
It's so fucking stupid when people say this because it applies to literally every country except for some African shitholes. "Innovation" is a meme and the countries who do gave population growth do so by ethnically cleansing themselves with brown migrants and are also turning into dismal shitholes

and the supposedly apocalyptic Japanese economic decline has been greatly exaggerated btw

>>2799865
They do have a big maglev coming.

>>2798611
japan has lots of amazing things, you just arent the person for it.

>>2803105
>you literaly cant eat bad
it's either noodles in a broth, a raw fish, or some deep fried meat with an assortment of miscellaneous pickled vegetables that are all equally terrible. how does this country have a reputation for "good to amazing" food is beyond me

>>2803194
>>2803320
>organ harvesters
do you need to be a schizo like yourself to enjoy japan?

>>2801884
>As much as I love to shit on Indians for driving wages down and being nepotistic and generally just being way too high in population as well as being better goyslaves than almost anyone else, make no mistake: they're 5% as bad as actual American blacks, at worst. They don't shoot and stab and harass strangers and completely ruin communities, for the most part. An indian community might smell like shit and by dysfunctional in a lot of ways, but a black community? You can't even take a fucking walk.

You say this because you're an American. Your currynigs are top of the food chain educated brahmin's or have been there for some generations. In Europe and the rest of the world the currynigs are actual gutter Indians, Paki's and Bangladeshi's. Extremely rapey and behave like they're fresh out of a Delhi slum. The last two also have Islamic religious extremist tendencies on top of that.

>>2804485
It's kinda weird the the Pakistani diaspora is like that. At home Sharia makes them somehow less rapey than the neighboring Hindus, but their diaspora seems to be their gropiest hicks.

>>2804485

Yeah live in Canada and say that.