Thread 213753317

Blade Runner 2049 wasn't supposed to be a documentary....

>>213753317 (OP)
I get so tired of the same threads over and over

>>213753317 (OP)
Why do liberals want this?

Man I'm looking at Incel Runner 2049 and doubting the real 2049 will be as nice as that.

>>213753317 (OP)
Isn't that the piece of shit that costs more electricity to run than it produces?

>>213753345
You don't like free energy? And free money through communism? Seems like a pretty good deal to me.

>>213753317 (OP)
those thing were already used in a bond movie and a Deep's movie

>>213753455
These gigantic solar farms produce fuck all energy. They're woefully inefficient.

>>213753317 (OP)
NOOOO! THAT'S VALUABLE CATTLE GRAZING REAL ESTATE! MY HECKIN' COWS!

>>213753455
Is not free and is ineffective

>>213754059
[citation needed]
I'm sure they just waste countless dollars on things that don't work at all. because corporations love doing that.

>>213753455
They built that whole thing for free?

>>213753345
>sees alternate form of energy
>MUH LIBERALS

brainrot. humanity is doomed.

>>213754089
People get scammed every day with all sorts of shit yes

>>213754089
That one is a retarded waste of money. It works by melting salt inside the central unit and then using the heat from that to generate energy when the sun is down. Cost billions of dollars and the government paid for a huge chunk of it. They build the thing and it fucking leaks, so it doesn't work and gets shut down for repairs. Company goes under, plant gets bought out and properly fixed, but it's not profitable. So they just renegotiate the rates they'd be selling electricity. That's how it "works" now, the overpriced fancy bullshit just passes the costs onto the customers. Fuck it, pay more for bullshit science project electricity that was never going to help anything.

>>213754138
Is mostly leftists pushing for this in the west so how can he not mention liberals

>>213754089
>because corporations love doing that.
They do actually because they profit from it. Especially government contracts. See the Olympics. Biggest bullshit scam there is. Governments give their friends in construction contracts, they build garbage and make millions. City is left with trash stadiums nobody uses.

>>213754089
Corporations don't spend countless of dollars unless they get subsidized by governments.

>>213754089
Here, retard.
https://www.latimes.com/environment/newsletter/2025-01-27/boiling-point-farewell-to-ivanpah-the-worlds-ugliest-solar-plant-boiling-point
They're closing it because it sucks.
And yes, corps DO waste money on shit that doesn't work, are you 12?

>>213754155
people can't rely on oil forever, at any rate.

>>213754059
That's not the problem.
The real problem is when retards like this>>213753455 believe that normal people get benefits from free energy.
Only the elite got benefits from this gay shit.

>>213754162
and what's the alternative? coal? this is just petty bickering and deflecting so no one has to address real issues or actually solve anything. then they can continue blaming the other side when nothing gets accomplished. it's just all so tiresome.

>>213753317 (OP)
IS THAT A MUFUGGIN NEW VEGAS REFERENCE???????????

>>213754302
At least coal has been tried and trusted for hundreds of years

>>213754302
Coal is based and we should burn more of it and build giant fans to blow the fumes at countries we don't like.

>>213754319
see? you just cherrypick a part of a post and ignore everything else. what's a valid longterm replacement? it's not fucking coal. you guys are fucking retards who have no clue what you're talking about.

Internal combustion engines (gasoline or diesel) are highly inefficient but I'm sure anon who complains is very happy to use them daily, I wouldn't be surprised if he had a V8.

>>213754302
What real issues?

>>213754342
go work in a coal mine then, like a good goy. enjoy your black lung. christ, what is this, the 1800's.

>>213754375
>Thinks that post was serious
Time to log off.

>>213754275
Yeah but molten salt reactors aren't the way and trying to hide that to maintain solidarity for alternate energy is retarded and makes alternate energy as a whole look retarded. There's no solarpunk fantasy ahead, it's either fossil fuels or nuclear for large scale with widespread localized solar that'll take so many fucking panels it'll pollute a third of Africa for the next thousand years.

>Grug spend all day rounding off rocks
>Stupid Grug obsessed with rolling
>Wants to roll stuff using round rocks like some Neanderthal
>Useless round rock splits in two
>Grug should polish meat sword like Ugh instead of building useless things
>Fucking rolling things Ugh swears to SUN

>>213753317 (OP)
>using energy on a massive lighthouse thing to shine on solar panels that produce a large amount of hazardous waste
>instead of using the space on giant mirrors that reflect sunlight onto a structure that converts heat into energy

>>213754089
>tell government that this system works with biased and rigged trials and data
>they give you 1 billion dollars
>pocket 100 million
>project goes nowhere or fails
>leave the country
Welcome to large scale scamming. It's the reason this country is shit. Government has more money than brains and buys into this shit all the time

>>213754089
>2014, the plant burned 868×109 British thermal units (254 GWh) of natural gas emitting 46,084 metric tons of carbon dioxide, which is nearly twice the pollution threshold at which power plants and factories in California are required to participate in the state's cap and trade program to reduce carbon emissions
lol

This thread wasn't suppose to be posted again.......

>>213753317 (OP)
Solar works when it's powering it's locality (your house, small scale remote utilities, etc). The solar farms do fuck all and are ultimately bad for the environment. End of story!

Well you see, it's not profitable. Everything needs to be profitable.
If you're not making money, what's the point? Fucking libshit morons

>>213754688
the other thread was supposed to be a documentary

>>213753317 (OP)
fuck off /pol/tard you've made this same thread at least a dozen times at this point.

>>213754089
>[citation needed]
Redditor spotted

what's up with renewable energy and bringing the facebook boomers out of the woodwork?
I thought most of these guys acked themselves after the qanon shit went nowhere.

>>213753345
They think it's for them when really it's nothing but a way for politicians and their building company pals to make money that circles around back and forth to each other.

>>213754870
show me footage of yourself with proof like showing your post ID, of you doing z renewable solar energy test on something showing it does what it's supposed to. Otherwise shut the fuck up.

>>213754089
My state's government just spent $13.5 million on a bunch of bins for criminals to relinquish their machetes into as a response to the dramatic increase in machete attacks.

>>213754930
old man's having his daily outburst.
don't worry your caretaker will be there soon to give you your meds and change your diaper.

>>213754401
eh, I don't agree with this. and you're forgetting things like wind energy among others. always funny seeing people seethe at solar energy. it's like the idea of taking a massive exploding star's energy and converting it to electricity on a large scale is some sort of pipe dream in their eyes. it's improving all the time however. this mostly just seems to boil down to " these people on this side of the political spectrum like it, so I don't, and I'll throw any argument against it." I've seen bills proposed by democrats in congress to help injured veterans shot down by republicans, those same people who cannot shut up about "honoring muh vets". everyone does it really. it's just that "conservatives" seem to do it a lot more.

>>213754522
now you care about hazardous waste? what about all those nuclear reactors?

>>213754522
Or we could just burn coal

>>213755162
It can be recycled. France recycles approximately 96% of its nuclear waste though the USA presently does not recycle its nuclear waste for a bunch of reasons. They can though and probably should.

>>213753317 (OP)
>infinite energy is bad because uhhhhh

>>213753317 (OP)
How come chuds hate solar and wind energy but they like hydro electric energy?

>>213754522
>>instead of using the space on giant mirrors that reflect sunlight onto a structure that converts heat into energy
that's literally how those towers work

>>213755449
Literally not infinite.

>>213755147
Wind energy is just too fucking limited for what it provides. They are physically getting too big to work properly, and anything smaller means its this ultra expensive low energy production that has a massive land footprint. They're not competitive, they exist and "prosper" with the government footing part of the bill for both start up fees and maintenance. There's not enough wind to harness for our needs, it will always be this clusterfuck sideshow that never really makes or breaks anything. There are certainly cases where small locations in certain areas can use wind power privately to great effect, but it's not a solution for all of us. You can find retarded conservatives complaining about stupid shit like how they burying the used blades or birds getting hit by them, but just because they're retarded doesn't mean widespread wind isn't retarded too.

>>213755470
dams are cool and horizontal farming is gay and retarded

>>213755147
Wind energy is a meme, hydro energy is not but it is very geographically limited. Solar also not a meme but its current implementation is, we need orbital solar farms for it to be worth anything, good luck making it happen though.

>>213755470
building dams to tame rivers is inherently manly and a great feat of engineering, its an act of creation and subjugating nature. it produces a lot of energy and civilizes the area you are in with reservoirs, irrigation for agriculture and water supply for the population,

wind in the other hand is peak cuck technology, siphoning scraps with an ugly windmill, begging nature for a piece of the pie. and solar gets made in china, can't rely on chink generosity, they will try to fuck us over someday soon

>>213755643
Just asked ChatGPT and all of the nuclear waste the US has produced in its history is the size of a football field stacked 10m high. It's still by a large margin the greenest energy.

>>213754870
>gov gives power corporations 100 gorillion of our tax dollars to build green energy
>it's barely 1/10th as capable as just burning fucking dinosaur sludge
>and your power bill never goes down. ever. it consistently goes up every year. no matter how much new shit they build that we've already funded with tax dollars.

yeah I'm with the boomers on this one.

>>213755676
>football field stacked 10m high
Fucking chatcbt mixing imperial and metric units again...

>>213755754
Yes, i thought that was kinda odd.

>>213755754
lol

>>213753455
>And free money through communism?
Everybody's fucking poor under Communism.

>>213754089
It's not the Corpo's money, retard. It's yours. The government pays them to construct these worthless things using YOUR tax-dollars.

>>213754362
>Internal combustion engines (gasoline or diesel) are highly inefficient
No, not really. That's why they're so widespread and universally useful.

>>213753455
I thought you didn't want to harm ecosystems? Nuclear or bust.

>>213754726
>Well you see, it's not profitable
Literally yes, in one way or another. It costs money to keep shit like that running. How is it going to remain sustainable, and thus active, if it isn't bringing in money, one way or another, in order to fund itself?

>>213754870
>the qanon shit
Now the domain of Democrats, shrieking that Trump is a kiddy fucker with Epstein and harvested Anderchrome with him.

>>213754870
>what's up with telling the truth about these "renewable energy" scams and bringing the transexual avacado-toast eating zoomoids out of the woodwork?

>>213753345
Because they have been brainwashed since birth that the earth is dying and we need “renewable energy” while in reality the earth has never been physically greener ever in history.

The tree line has kept going up the last 30 years, when I was a kid there were no trees on the mountain tops near me but now there are.

We kept being told the great barrier reef was dying yet now it’s flourishing and the globalists keep trying to hide this.

>>213753317 (OP)
Could've just built efficient nuclear but noooooooooooo

>>213753344
I don't understand why someone would want to destroy the board this way.

>>213753345
Because China controls 90% of muh renewables manufacturing.
Green shit is just another leftoid psyop to weaken the West.

>>213754089
>I'm sure they just waste countless dollars
Yes, tax dollars.

>>213753317 (OP)
Ngl, it's very cool looking.

>>213756169
>free energy is bad because muh partisan politics
How did you get like this?

>>213756202
>logistics, material costs, maintenance costs don't exist
>efficiency also doesn't exist
How did leftists get like this? Is this because they don't know absolutely anything about labor?

>>213755676
Chatgpt isn't the same as Google or Wikipedia you fucking idiot. It's basically a predictive text that spits out what it's programmed to believe the correct sequence of words. You're a fucking moron who lack critical thinking skills and doesn't know how to find basic information.

>>213755470
---T R U T H N U K E START---
Wind and solar hate is a psyop by China and Russia. China because they must win the renewables race to sustainably exist as a sovereign nation, Russia because they must sell oil for the same reason. It's a lasting wedge issue in the US purely because it's pushed by shillbots.
---T R U T H N U K E END---

>>213756202
Please tell me you're a /pol/shitter knowingly and jokingly LARPing as a leftist faggot.

>>213753317 (OP)
We certainly already have the alienated incel part worked out.

>>213754089
>he doesn't know

>>213756310
Go save a whale, I'm sure Greta is watching you.

>>213756291
>we shouldn't try to make energy generation more efficient because... we just shouldn't ok????
lol

>>213756415
Why is pursing free energy a "leftist" position for you?

>>213756873
because "free" doesn't exist you leftist moron

>>213753345
from all the cockamamie le man-made climate change renewable bullshit tech,
this shit doesn't need Chyna's magic dirt

>>213756910
The sunshine is free is it not?

>>213757020
only your mom is freer
BTW air was free too once

>>213756398
>sustainably exist
>renewables

Every single Green party ever is chinese and russian fifth column. We saw this when Greens pushed Germany to dismantle their nuclear program and then they found themselves entirely dependent on Russian gas when Ukrainian war started.

Your truth nuke was solar powered and thus it had no power.

>>213755676
Now ask it estimate how much the ashes of all the jews murdered in the holocaust would weigh and how large an area it would fill.

>>213757097
>chinese and russian fifth column
nice try rabbi

>>213757020
is it?

>>213757134
>socialists are not aligned with communist China and USSR
>rabi

>>213753345
>government gives companies rebates to build renewables (your money)
>energy company then charges you for using said renewables after they build it
It’s kinda mean when you think about it.

>>213757431
and now you know why your jews hate Russia and Putin so much

>>213757572
>jews hate Russia and Putin
He was literally awarded Great Friend of Israel award few years back.

>>213757015
What I really want to know is who took/gets to take her virginity and if she will do Playboy when her relevance starts to fade.

>>213756873
>>213757020
>>213756202
>free energy
How come I have to pay for it when it is free?

>>213753345
Because they worship making cheap plastic shit in China and shipping it all over the world in giant carbon producing container ships

>>213753345
Because it emits less co2 per KwH, releases you from dependence on autocratic fossil fuel states and doesn't pollute the air, leading to lower general risk of lung diseases.

>>213757474
Where is this from?

>>213753345
Because it's green sweetie and every major corporation and institution says that's a good thing and here's why that makes us part of a resistance against the system. Yes the mining, refining and manufacturing process is solely dependent on fossil fuels, yes you pay more for energy and it's less reliable and yes you end up having to import natural gas from a country that produces it but that's a small price to pay for trusting the experts

>>213755559
Whatever you say, chud. Enjoy your lung cancer.

>>213753455
but I have to pay for it

>>213757836
I love these little propaganda graphs, the biggest wind farms in my country can't meet current demand let alone future and there aren't enough copper mines in operation to build all the turbines you climate cultists want, each one takes at least 10 tons of copper to finish

>>213755808
Not really lived under communism. Had free housing, everybody got work, free and yes good healthcare, frees schools,. No gypsies, no homeless, you could let your door open and know nobody is gonna rob you. Prices were cheap as fuck from food to cars to houses.

>>213757911
> production = consumption

>>213753455
The theory of "you just take energy that is already around you" is too shallow to be applied in real life.
You have huge investments in
>building labor
>material
>huge fuckton of space that needs to fit criteria
>cleaning it regularely from dust and debris
>maintenance
Not to mention it doesn't work at night so you get grid instability every single day.
Same reason why wind power is ass.

t. German whose country is going eco-friendly but shops energy from France for high prices because the demand can't be met with a solar here and wind there.

>>213758017
> huge investments
As opposed to fossil fuel energy grids, which just spring from the ground magically?

>>213757977
>everyone that fell for the green subsidy meme and now has to import Norwegian gas should have just built more wind turbines

>>213758067
Yes. That or nuclear. Or geothermal. Or hydro. Or literally any other solution that doesn't make you rely on hostile foreign countries for your energy needs and doesn't transfer medical costs onto private individuals or government healthcare.

>>213758036
No one claims fossil fuel is "free".
Eco retards like >>213753455 like to use it as an argument though.

>>213758129
If your argument is that renewables require up-front investment it is incredibly disingenous to not at least compare that to what you pay for non-renewables, which also require up-front investments, also require maintenance, and have the added cost of healthcare for lung disease. On top of making yourself essentially a vassal state to OPEC.

>>213758160
>calls others disingenous
okay

>>213758098
The materials to build turbines and panels are mined in hostile forging countries, they are manufactured in hostile foreign countries, they are shipped from hostile foreign countries. And when they arrive and underperform because the cattle that sucks down marketing jargon hook line and sinker fell for the grift you will just end up paying more for less. If you live in a country that hasn't started a total regression on their nuclear energy programs or is able to produce adequate, hydro/geo then excellent.

>>213753345
>Free energy
>Makes a shit load of jobs creating these solar farms

>>213758200
Plenty of wind turbines are produced in the West. And again, what are you comparing this to? Do fossil fuel grids not require copper anymore?

>>213758275
And where does the raw material come from? Yes fossil fuel installations require copper but it's not wasted since they perform adequately and meet demand as they have always done

>>213758666
Steel and concrete can easily be produced in the West. Just as rare earths can be extracted here. We just happen to use China at the moment because they are cheaper. Which we are doing, would be doing and will be doing regardless of whether we use these materials for renewable or non-renewable energy production.
> inadequate and don't meet demand
50% wind for Denmark is meeting demand. And they literally never have power failures.

>>213753344
Maybe spend less of your life on this board?

>>213754089
It (was) your money

>>213758733
No.

>>213758723
Denmark is a miniscule windswept overpopulated fief on Atlantic coast (also a police state) that is completely connected to coal powered electric grid.

>>213758771
> completely connected to coal powered electric grid
Which they barely use.
> windswept
They take advantage of their climate. Which others could do with solar, some with hydro, som with geothermal, and the rest can go nuclear. Literally any other option is better than tying yourself to hostile foreign powers to pollute your own people.

>>213758723
Kek you will never produce these things domestically because politicians have too much money tied up in China. China has the largest wind and solar capacity in the world and are still fossil fuel plants because wind and solar are not reliable sources of constant power, especially for industrial applications where money and time matter. Please if you ever go to a car dealership then take a level headed relative or friend with you otherwise you will be walking out with every optional extra and extended package available, you are just too gullible

BASED

>>213753317 (OP)
>>213753345
>conservacucks are scared of solar panels
LMAOOO

>>213758909
They import massive amounts of electricity from Sweden and Norway because these countries can massively overproduce when their (equally renewable) hydropower is at capacity. This is really not the own you think it is.
But let me ask you: Should they shut down their wind farms? Tear down 50% of their electricity production to go back to growing cancer cells in their lungs and lining the pockets of Russian oligarchs? Would that make you happier?
> China has the largest wind and solar capacity in the world
Yes, proving that it is a good and viable investment.

We should generate energy from poo

>>213753455
brainless retard moron piece of shit idiot son of a fucking smelly hateful whore asshole dickhead faggot cuck simp beta loser

>>213759087
It's not a good and viable investment if it increased domestic price and makes you even more reliable on imports. It's a great green girft, not only do you absolutely strip mine any natural carbon trapping land but you end up paying more for it as the end consumer and getting less in the long run. And while this grift is going on there is also plenty of lobbying against thing such as small modular reactors is being done by the same interest groups. Congrats the 'smart cities' you are so diligently working towards won't even have adequate power

>>213759174
> the average fossil fuel simp sluper for oil companies

>>213759141
I think I've read somewhere cows are the biggest contributors to CO2 in the world. Their farts are killing the planet.

>>213759185
at least we are not hypocritical pretentious assholes like your people

>>213753345
It’s a shithole desert what the fuck else are you going to put there?

>>213759184
If it increased domestic prices, why did they do it? Why are the Chinese increasing their share of renewables every year? Why is Texas, a fully Republican-controlled state, the largest producer of renewable energy in the USA? Renewables are a perfectly viable investment. Just because Germany fucked up by dismantling their nuclear grid, it doesn't change the fact that their main fuckup was overreliance on gas, a fossil fuel.

>>213754275
Oil is a renewable resource as long as there is life on the planet.

>>213759237
*ahem*
>>213759190

Release the files

>>213759252
Yes that's what the science says and I trust the science, the data from the studies posits that we must eat the very renewable friendly estroblend bug bars or better still the pfizer produced lab grown ssri dusted meat alternatives. Now I for one am thinking the barcade will be fully stocked

>>213759225
China continues to build fossil fuels plants, the main source of it's domestic energy production. Western eunuch nations continue to invest in China's solar and wind industries by buying the raw material they mine and refine (with fossil fuels) free money. Building massive solar and wind installations is like putting your fancy BMW and Mercedes SUV's at the front of the lot, or like putting led strips all over your nasty looking sky scrapers so western eunuchs can say 'omg so heckin advanced and cyberpunk'

>>213759376
That is your conspiratorial schizo ramblings. You are of course welcome to them.

>>213759206
Yeah the worst part is the hypocrisy.

>>213759447
>>213759206
The only reason you are seeing hypocrisy is because you only engage with the most retarded strawmen arguments.

>>213759376
and the UN does nothing about this, but want you to pay a carbon tax of 5 dollars per bottle water

>>213759387
>governments don't lie to retain
>corporations put profits before people
This is your brain on the religion of science and authority worship

>>213759476
Literally every part of that reasoning could just as easily be applied to the fossil fuel industry.

>>213758844
If they barely use it and wind power is so reliable, why not disconnect fully? Be a shining example. Wind is blowing, you're getting your open heart surgery, light is flickering...

>nuclear

You mean the energy that corps did a psyop against and today still completely ignore?

>hostile foreign powers

EU is funding wars and importing shitskins. There are no hostile foreign powers, and Russia is a natural trade partner to EU. You cannot magically invent resources but you sure can import shitskins and fund wars. Mind you, all this is done by people who are unelected.

>>213759516
They need it as a failsafe in case wind cannot meet demands. I know you think this is some sort of major own because to you, a 90% reduction in air pollution doesn't count because it isn't a 100% reduction.
Whatever other schizoid ramblings you might have about the EU belong on /pol/.

>>213759495
You talk about the fossil fuel industry like it's something you dislike. When it is instrumental in the mining, refining, creation and operation of your renewable energy sources and always will be. It's why they invest heavily in this grift. And they create with their propaganda little creatures like you that believe the family living off grid with their LPG power supply and chicken coops are the enemy.

>>213759582
So what are you even arguing for, then? Horse power?

wind and solar are complete memes that are economically unviable and only exist as make work/corruption
solar needs almost 200x the subsidies as natgas to produce the same energy
they are literally losing money with these because they are spending hundreds of billions in subsidies to keep these retarded "industries" afloat
Texas has over 16,000 turbines now
they say that they are capable of funding 26% of Texas energy at 34,000 Mw but in reality due to wind not blowing all the time all year they only produce 1,300 Mw

>>213759557
pollution numbers depend on the exact point of device placement and are completely fake

wind industry is tied to highly destructive mine projects that are assigned to others

the entire infrastructure is a sham fit for grandstanding retards like you acting smart as long as somebody else foots the bill for your ineffective jewish nonsense

>>213759675
You forgot to attach your image. Let me help you.

>>213759595
Oh I would love to put the brakes on things and say we have enough, lets try and find a simpler and more fulfilling way of life that priorities a symbiosis with our natural surroundings. But the thing with dorks like you is that there must always be 'advancement' and 'progress' which is a very corporate mindset and it's just a compulsion you have been trained to have even if it makes you and everyone else miserable deep down. It's why you'll march with a smug glee into living in the modern hellhole mass surveillance and technologically advanced cities such as the Shenzhen prototype, even if it never brings you any real happiness

>>213759675
they are not spending anything, they are taking taxpayers money and funding it into other projects, like musk is a social media magnate and it's all americans money

>>213759689
Go live in Delhi and tell me air pollution is fake. That is, if you don't live there already.

>>213759700
> [strawmen]

>>213753317 (OP)
Would building little solar panels robots with plants on them to self power themselves riding around the desert growing the plants
Maybe producing moisture to exude about
Would that be detrimental?

I don't even know if it would work but
If we tried something like that in a desert

>>213759734
Oh my science, well best to just keep reading government produced pamphlets about how destroying this forest to put up a new wind farm is totally green and epic and pwns the fascists

>>213759713
overpopulation is pollution. guess what delhi makes and where does it go
you realize infrastructure for clean projects has to come from somewhere

>>213759766
Show me where anyone in this thread has said we should cut down forests to make room for wind farms. But now we are at it, I take it you believe coal and natural gas are harvested out of thin air?

>>213759472
UN is toothless nonentity that is ignored by any nuclear power whenever they feel like it.

>>213759800
I have no idea what point you are trying to say. Try getting ChatGPT to help you, ESL.

>>213759700
Hapiness only exists in hindsight. The "highest" true state of being we can reach is contentment,yeah?

>>213753317 (OP)
why do you make this shitty thread every day?

those dumbass sun farms came out before that movie by like a decade

>>213759804
Do you have a single peer reviewed study that shows I don't believe coal and natural gas plants produce pollution? The good thing about them is that it's a dependable proven technology, the infrastructure is already built and often it is in an 'industrial zone' to being with

>>213753345
To create a one world government and enslave humanity. Duh!

>>213753317 (OP)
That's your example? So a coke billboard is from Blade Runner too? Retard.

>>213759879
And I would argue that renewables are increasingly equally as dependable, equally as cheap, makes you less reliant on foreign countries and are generally much healthier to be around. None of which anyone in this thread has refuted at any point.

>>213759918
They're not though, the Siemens turbines suck. It's all just expensive government contracts. I walk around the largest wind farm in my area all the time (built on a mountain top, thousands of trees cut down and carbon trapping peat bog drained and destroyed) They are always being worked on by contractors and there are days and days where they barely spin. Energy prices have only risen oh and guess what a new gas turbine powered plant is being built about 10 miles away now

>>213759975
I don't know what to do with your anecdotes. Maybe write your local planners and ask them why your turbines aren't running?

>>213760048
For me my real world lived experiences are more trustworthy than a pamphlet or article written by a government or corporate committee, just how it is

>>213760259
I guess that's one reason not to believe what you are told, but not a good reason not to seek out the answers in the first place.

>>213759207
This.
Like, I unironically am on the side of not dedicating massive amounts of land to solar and wind power in areas with high animal wildlife, because obviously you need to keep the animals out, and moving large populations of them away could cause all kinds of unforeseen ecosystem issues (just build hydroplants there where you can), but this shit is next door to Death Valley.
Places that are already almost barren and shorelines are perfect for this type of stuff.

>>213753317 (OP)
>using a source of energy
>to be used inefficiently on another source of energy
Did they present a troll physics comic to a board of rich investors to get this approved?

>>213755897
no, that's because that way the oil barons keep you paying forever.

>>213755808
Yeah, if everybody is poor then nobody is poor. Poverty is nothing more than an status relative to one's society.