Thread 214224709

Did people this evil and psychotic actually exist in the Mafia or is it just Hollywood bullshit?

IT'S A FUGAYZI IT'S A FUGAHZI

People this evil and psychotic exist in the Italian Restaurant business, let alone The Mafia.

>>214224709 (OP)
He was worse in real life. Henry told a story about him shooting a civilian for literally no reason. He also was only in his late twenties when he died, and was like 6',2" or something IRL.

>>214224709 (OP)
It's like bullies in 80's teen movies. It's just fabricated non-sense. In reality, everyone was basically friends and got along.

>>214224915
Henry Hill is a lying drunk

>>214224915
henry hill was a notorious bullshitter

>>214224927
You are wrong, bullies were very violent especially in Maine

>>214224709 (OP)
The Saint Valentine's Day Massacre was more gruesome than anything that happens in Goodfellas. Mobsters dressed up as cops, lined their rivals against the wall as if they were about to arrest them, and slaughtered them all. So, yeah, safe to say the real-life Mafia is pretty fucked. Also Joe Pesci's character is based on someone who actually existed.

>>214224915
Paulie also fucked Karen. Jimmy was a scary looking dude in real life, too. Killed his own foster father as a boy by grabbing the steering wheel and forcing him into a car crash. The other story I heard were about Tommy and Jimmy "talking" with their friends they had murdered and buried behind the bar as if they were having casual everyday conversations with them. Real life mobsters are insane people, look at Sam DeStefano.

>>214224915
was gonna post the mugshot but forgot

>>214224709 (OP)
>Did people this evil and psychotic actually exist in the Mafia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_DeMeo
>>214224927
LMAO. These guys are the archetype for every cartoonish backstabbing gangster you saw on TV. They are and have always been seen as fake smiled crooks out for themselves.

>>214224962
That was in the 1920s when gangsters were still using tommy guns. Back then you could get away with something like that.

>>214224962
Crazy to think back then they would post dead bodies and fire on the front of newspapers.

>>214224709 (OP)
sure but it's overblown. committing capital offenses during lucrative business ventures isn't a winning idea

>>214224962
>>214225170
Makes more sense when you consider the wild west had only ended like 40 years prior.

unless you were a gambling addict you could probably completely avoid these scumbags even back then

>>214224709 (OP)
People like this in every strata. It's like the Scarface litmus test. People that identify with and glorify Scarface are probably pieces of shit. You aren't supposed to "like" any of these people. Marty had a good handle on this for a while, as Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, Goodfellas, and Casino represented what pieces of shit these people are. But then he kind of fell in love with the fun instead of the character, which led to The Wolf of Wall Street, which made a crooked asshole piece of shit come across as the most awesome life ever. He went from artfully detailing how awful it was to be like that to how awesome it is to be human garbage. The Irishman is some weird compromise, that shows the mundanity of being a piece of shit in life, but the damage was done. A Tarantino effect of wanting to make bad people look cool and good in some way rather than just being depicted as bad. Entertaining, but weird messaging of morality and pleasure.

>>214225223
They did control a lot of the workers' unions in NYC, but as long as you minded your business it seems like you were mostly fine.

>>214225116
Nta but gangsters became more and more ego filled and retarded. The "death" of the mob was in the late 70s and early 80s when they were letting more psychopaths into roles of leader ship, more greedy retards making their money off drugs and prostitutes. They started killing each other or ratting to the feds. A few of them managed to go into "legitimate" business and basically are just corporate criminals now.

>>214225076
The more I read about Roy the less bad he seems to me. The whole murder machine thing was kind of forced on them by the Gambinos and basically everyone his crew was taking out was involved in crime. The one time Roy took out an innocent person (a vacuum sales he mistook for a Cuban hitman) it really ate away at him.

>>214224709 (OP)
>heres that 21 year old kid I was tellin ya about

>>214225170
They still publish gore in some smaller papers today. It isn't technically illegal and the only test to regulate content like that is mostly applied to pornographic images. The issue is privacy rights to what would be considered forensic evidence. Then there's ethical guidelines that most major publishers follow to ensure they stay out of controversy.

>>214224962
That was considered low even by the code of the time.

>>214224709 (OP)
>>214224915
The guy Pesci played in Casino was actually his midget height though and just as psycho as depicted

>>214224962
AYE OOOHH! LISTEN UP YA LOUSY BUMS! HANDS ON DA BRICKWORK, NICE AN SLOW! YA MUGS ARE UNDER ARREST, SEE? DONT GIVE ME NO LIP. TONY, SLAP DEM CUFFS ON EM BEFORE I CHANGE MY MIND!

>whatever you say, officer

>>214224709 (OP)
it was based on the jewish mafia look up murder inc

>>214225245
It was people like Gotti playing it up. After Carlo Gambino died and Gotti killed his successor, it just drew so much attention to the Mafia that the FBI couldn't not do anything about it anymore without making themselves look like clowns. Similar thing happened in Philly when Angelo Bruno (notorious for being fair and lowkey) got whacked and eventually succeeded by Nicky Scarfo who was a total psychopath.

>>214225309
Again, worse guy in real life. The details of the "head in a vice" scene are way more gruesome in real life. He finished the guy off by lighting him on fire.

>>214224993
>Real life mobsters are insane people,
Too many people don't understand this. They think the Italian mob families were any less niggerish than literal street nigs just because they had political muscle and move millions in cash. They sadistically tortured the son of a capo by tying him to a mattress coil frame and hooking it up to a battery that shocked him every few minutes.

>>214224709 (OP)
I've lived around a lot of Italians and yeah it captures their mannerisms and disposition quite well. Stereotypical cliche one after the another.

>>214225339
The American Mafia was established by Lucky Luciano (Sicilian) and Meyer Lansky (Jewish). Basically, they killed the two old timer Sicilian bosses in NYC (which was actually a smart move, those two guys refused to work with non-Sicilians, let alone Jews, Irish or anyone else. Sometimes they even refused to work with people not from the same village they were. It was stupid and costing everyone money. Lansky and Luciano are the ones to thank for truly organized crime in America).

>>214225180
Tbf that’s why they whacked him in the movie

But you’re right being a psycho is a great way to get busted

>>214225230
Goodfellas, Casino, and WoWS are all the same movie and all true stories
>Guy gets seduced by life of crime
>Has hot but crazy wife
>Loose cannon best friend that fucks everything up
>Arrest montage
>The main guy gets a slap on the wrist cause real life aint a James Cagney movie

>>214225386
one mobster had his son get ran over by a blue collar worker with a ditch digger when the kid was playing tag, in return he promised he'd forgive the guy and court found him not guilty. I'm like 90% sure it ended with him being tortured and found in a trunk

>>214225483
>ditch digger
excavator*

>>214225270
If it bleeds, it leads. You don't see it on broadcast but that shit still gets published in papers big and small. Shit, print is a dying industry and always needed a lurid edge to sell from the day it was born.

>>214224709 (OP)
Hollywood exists to glamorize and lionize the mob for dealing with the Bolsheviks same as them

>>214225483
>>214225506
That sounds like a retelling of the story about John Gotti's son being run over and killed by the neighbour, and the neighbour disappearing shortly after.

>>214225542
probably is

>>214225483
>>214225506
Gotti limped because an excavator he tride to steal tipped over and messed up his leg. His kid got hit by a neighbor while riding his bike. Neighbor got disappeared after insulting Gotti's wife.

>>214225476
Yeah except each movie has a different style and conclusions.
>Goodfellas chronicles a nobody that enters crime as a profession with a local mob. He comes up from a kid to an adult in the life as he is corrupted over decades and is victim to his own circumstances, ultimately ratting out the whole mob he was with to live a shit life in witness protection, getting his just desserts in the end.
Casino is about a grown man piece of shit fixer who seems dead inside also working for mafia and the piece of shit "friend" he has that is a psycho asshole criminal, and he married a broken whore, and the ups and downs of being a piece of shit, and only he survives because of a fucking car he bought and continues being a piece of shit person
>TWofWS is about a young greedy piece of shit who figures out how to steal money in the high finance world, only his life is fucking awesome and nothing but glamorous fun until (ew) some normie takes him down but don't worry, he still has an awesome life lol
They are very different movies.

>>214224709 (OP)
These people absolutely exist. Think about how cruel the bullies were at school. Think about how much they enjoyed it. Do you think those people disappear from existence after school? Do you think those people might be drawn to an organisation where they can express those cruel tendencies with impunity?

>>214225116
It is still pretty crazy that even by 1920s investigative standards they couldn't prosecute a single criminal attached to the killings.

>>214225614
nah this kid was hit by an excavator or some shit and was scared shitless

>>214225738
Al Capone was also buying off most of the legal system in Chicago tbf

>>214225230
I've read both of belforts books (he's maybe made more since), and I highly recommend them. he's literally one of the biggest pieces of shit to ever live. reading his thoughts is very enlightening to how people like him function. he even admits in the books that it's 90% being a great liar that got him anywhere. anyway, the film cuts out some of the worst stuff. that was when marty lost me. reading the book makes it very clear the film was some weird diversion after occupy wall st wound down. "le heckin wall st outsider who doesn't play by the RULES" led to a whole generation of jaded zoomers trying to repeat the cycle. if they actually read his book (kek), they'd despise him

>>214225309
one of my favorite mobster stories. guys entire life just escalates and never once calms down.

>>214224709 (OP)
The glorification of the mob is worse than nigger bullshit. Fuck The Sopranos, fuck Martin Scorsese and fuck Goodfeathers

>>214225759
Capone was in Florida at the time of the massacre and never ended up getting questioned about it specifically either.

>>214225189
Yeah, like how rural America was. Most of the country population lived in rural life and "city slickers" were really just the wealthy, the ultra poor, and crazy people. And places like the South and Midwest were still decades behind. It's crazy to think that at some point Chicago and a New York were really thought of as like these little bubbles of extreme civlization.

>>214225351
That's what's sad man. They wacked all the wrong guys. They killed Hoffa. And look at ehat a shit while Chicago and New York ended up turning into. Now it's big tech fuckers moving in, and they all came from the west coast or worse they came from other other country to own a piece of the city now. They acted like kings when they were only supposed to be the servants of Cosa Nostra and really they were only supposed to protect Italian Americans from injustice.

>>214224957
You just described Joey diaz

>>214224709 (OP)
considering the guy who joe pesci's character is based on was tortured and murdered by john gotti IRL I'd say yeah
it's exaggerated sure but that's just for entertainment
these guys really do kill each other sometimes especially back in the day when cops had more trouble tracking shit

>>214225561
What a fail of a post then >>214225483

>>214225270
Mexico used to do that all the time up till the 00s, unsure if they criminalized it or if they still like the spectacle.

>>214225452
Ben Kingsley played lanky in buggy, network tv classic. I saw that movie a couple dozen times. The pronunciation phrase he does throughout was a great characterization that highlighted how he wanted to be perceived by the public.

>>214225844
>Fuck The Sopranos
Sopranos didn't glorify mob. Most mobsters there are losers, retards, hambeasts, psychos or all at once.

>>214225844
EYYY IM CHECKIN THEM DUBS OVA HEA

>>214224993
>Sam DeStefano

>>214224962
>at least one of the guys was just a mechanic who worked there
>possibly someone who didn’t even know they were mobsters or worse a victim of those mobsters he was killed alongside

>>214226145
why you gotta be so bitter you didn't even know the name off the top of the head for yours, you looked it up after the fact lol

>>214226470
same guy your story was just popular you ass

>>214226421
They actually edited this section down. There's more:

>In January 1950, DeStefano bought a new car, which police later spotted him driving around in with a sign on it that said "This is a lemon". To make sure everyone would notice it he also festooned the car with grapefruits. DeStefano's reason for this was because he thought he had bought a bad car and wanted the world to know it.

>In 1962, DeStefano was arrested after he tried to represent Vito Zaccagonini in a forgery trial in Rockford, Illinois. He later returned demanding the names of all employees in the state's attorney's and sheriff's offices so they could be called as witnesses at his subsequent trial. During another court date in Rockford, when he was serving as his own lawyer as was his practice, he confused everyone in the courtroom when he approached the jury and asked, "Have you ever seen an elephant?" Moments later DeStefano suddenly changed his plea to guilty, telling the jury, "something had come to light that I had not known before." The jury found him guilty and fined him $100 for disorderly conduct.

>He would say it was his dream in life to own a pig farm so he could feed his victims to the pigs. He even drove to pig farms just to watch them for hours.

>According to hitman-turned-informant Charles Crimaldi, one time DeStefano made his wife Anita take his gun and put the end of the barrel in her mouth, then demanded that she pull the trigger. When she pulled the trigger and the gun didn't go off, DeStefano began to laugh and told her that he had removed the bullets. He would tell this story over and over again to his mob associates for amusement.

Guy also murdered his own brother, and was subsequently murdered by his other brother and also this guy>>214225309, of whom he was a mentor.

The mafia was made up by the FBI to persecute Italian immigrants.

>>214224709 (OP)
They did, and much worse even.

>>214226567
>Vito Zaccagonini
Do you really expect me to believe this shit?

>>214224927
It's more like the real life guys were just psychotic serial killers that the mob found useful until they had them killed by a different serial killer.

>>214226421
Isnt that just classic bpd narcissist?

>>214226572
I'm pretty sure they first start as groups to self police when the police wouldn't

>>214224709 (OP)
>poverty
>abusive families
>psychopathic genetic traits to begin with
>outlaw gambling, whores, and drugs, creating an artificial lowered supply
>no dna evidence, security cameras, cell phone tracking etc.
the mafia NOT existing would have been more surprising. the most ruthless, psychotic, and luckiest rose to the top. the vast majority of "mafia" guys were just small business owners who sold illegal services and goods and paid taxes to the small percent of violent people

>>214226470
I wasn't the one coming out hot with a killer anecdote I just had to share

>>214225254
>The more I read about Roy the less bad he seems to me.
He sold child pornography.

>>214225254
He did feel bad about the vacuum salesman, because he was a young, upstanding guy. He admitted to Sammy Gravano though that he and his crew did kill a lot of innocent people for reasons like they wanted to steal their car. The excuse he gave Sammy was "well most of them were black" and "I gotta keep the crew sharp."
As >>214227056 already pointed out, he also sold child pronography out of the trunk of his car, and was reprimanded by his capo for doing so, but continued doing it anyway.
He was also known for saying grace with his family before dinner and being a decent father and husband. Strange guy.

>>214226044
Jesus, I have been going down a rabbithole on the history of org crime and the people who made it possible. You can blame women, moralfags and the people who stood to gain from black market alcohol trade.
No Volstead Act would mean no criminal gangs bootlegging which would mean that there would be no need for National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA). Kennedy and the jew family (((bronfmans))) made lots and lots of money on the backs of working class slobs trying to escape this hell we call life.

>>214226153
By censoring gore, they are removing the reality and severity of crimes and the actions of savages.

>>214227269
If they cracked down hard enough they could have crushed the mafias
I mean, does North Korea have a big black market mafia problem?
You have to either go hard, or allow a thing. This halfway stuff causes problems.

>>214227336
>I mean, does North Korea have a big black market mafia problem?
They smuggle kinos.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/media-smuggling-north-korea

>>214227133
Gravano is also a known bullshitter and a snitch.

>>214227336
I was mistaken then, perhaps it is my indoctrination and watching mob movies, but I thought they tried. Are you saying that they half assed enforcement on purpose?

>>214227528
True, but there are multiple sources backing up that Roy was simply that kind of guy.

>>214224709 (OP)
still less psychotic than you terminally online incels. except you're harmless.

>>214227540
samefag here, I always wonder what would have happened if that meeting in Appalachia was never found out about. Maybe that nosey cop took a sick day and nobody noticed, or they picked a better spot to meet. Or, if Valachi testimonials never happened.

>>214227662
why you gotta be a faggot?

>>214227540
I don't know that much about it. But certainly they knew who the guys were and had to jump through all sorts of hoops to stop them. In places like North Korea or El Salvador, they just arrest them and that's it. And suddenly no more crime. Like magic.

>>214228149
>women at an initiation

Nobody in this thread ask why crime exists at all.
We have a military but there's crime.
We have police but there's crime.
lmao.
Oh yeah, they're really trying for you, little guy! One day we'll finally be able to deal with crime, just not today!
You should go vote, lol.

>>214224915
>shooting a civilian for literally no reason
That's just being American

>>214228315
>durrr he was a good boy he dindu nuffin! you didn't need to shoot him he was just borrowing your car!

>>214228230
>Nobody in this thread ask why crime exists at all.
Did this sound intelligent in your head, moron?

>>214228230
>Nobody in this thread ask why crime exists at all.
It's a psychological compulsion. You might as well ask why gambling addicts or alcoholics exist.

>>214224962
Oof, madone!

>>214224709 (OP)

It's based on a real life gangbanger, Thomas DeSimone, who was even worse than the character portrayed by Joe Pesci.

>>214224709 (OP)
bugsy siegel was killed cause he was too crazy, even for the jewish mafia

>>214226623
Richard Kuklinski

>>214224709 (OP)
there's psychopaths and there's the mafia i'm sure there's a significant crossover. not saying everything they do is bad but good lord seems like a tiring life

>>214225230
jordan belfort sucked. he wasn't cool he was just a greedy jew who had vices that are cool. i can identify with henry hill a little because his life growing up was a little fucked and you get addicted to a certain type of lifestyle
(i say this after doing a huge line of blow in nyc lol)
but as much as i liked the wolf of wall street i never had much sympathy for jordan. i had more for the cousin fucker because it seemed like he rode is weirdness authentically, i wonder if the real guy(s) were like that at all

>>214225844
oooh! gabagool

>>214226872
good post

>>214228230
>Nobody in this thread ask why crime exists at all.
it's a stupid question that doesn't need to be asked
>who created society
i dunno probably retards who want money and control, why should i listen to them? the major crimes likes murder and rape i find revolting enough to not commit but why can't i get high or fuck a hooker? stupid moralizing. plus hte government can't make money off it

>>214224709 (OP)
The book is a good read. The real Tommy was far more deranged than in the movie. Goodfellas substantially polishes the characters, who were generally drug addicts and degenerates of the highest order. One of the most popular true crime Mafia books is Murder Machine. It's never been made into a movie, because it would essentially be 3 hours of low IQ psychopaths torturing and murdering people for little to no reason. This isn't just a Mafia thing either.
After the success of Chopper (which demystified organised crime to a degree) we got the Australian film Animal Kingdom, based on a real Melbourne crime family. The movie had a good cast, some Oscar noms, and was very good in general.
But even in that case the director deleted a lot of scenes and altered the story because he said people wanted to see a crime movie, not Wolf Creek. The real life family were like the freaks from a Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie who happened to fall into assloads of money because of heroin trafficking.

Nah, only super honorable down to earth mellow guys joined criminal organizations that gave him complete impunity to do whatever they wanted to anyone else, and were largely involved in extortion and protection rackets.

>>214224915
Don't forget
>tried to rape Henry's wife when Henry was in prison
>Kidnapped a random guy off the street and forced him to fuck his own (tommy's) wife at gunpoint to "teach her a lesson"

>>214224709 (OP)
They've toned it down from the real guy. He shot a random passerby walking his dog to test a new gun. He also was actually close friends with Stacks but for whatever reason still pumped him full of bullets when he killed him. Just a few hours later he was the one that told Stacks mother he was dead and assured her they would find the guy who did it.

>>214225483
Sounds like the John Gotti thing
>Gottis kid ran into traffic
>Hit and killed by neighbour
>Gotti had him kidnapped and murdered

>>214230457
They also softened some of the aspects. In the movie Tommy kills Batts because of an argument and loose temper. In reality he and Jimmy killed him simply because Jimmy didn't want to give him money. Really soulless, retarded nig nog behaviour. Even then, they only killed Tommy. Why? Because Jimmy gave Paulie money.

>>214230502
>In reality he and Jimmy killed him simply because Jimmy didn't want to give him money.
Bit more to it. Real Jimmy had taken over Billy's loanshark business while he was in prison and didn't want to give it back. He used Tommy who had been seething over the shoe shine comment for weeks.
>Even then, they only killed Tommy. Why?
Real Paulie gave him up. He was sick of him. He was a psychopath willing to kill made men unsanctioned, he had jeopardised the Lufthansa heist and the biggest motivator was real Paulie was having an affair with Henry's wife and Tommy had tried to rape her. He was happy to give him up to assuage Gotti and co.

>>214230384
Curious your thoughts on The Godfather and if contributed to the mystification of organized crime. When did that sentiment start and end, do you think?

>>214224709 (OP)
Considering that there is enough plausible interaction to suggest the involvement of the Chicago mob with the John David Norman child sex trafficking ring (most famous for being directly linked to John Wayne Gacy), I'd say that yeah.
That was just the tip of the iceberg.

>>214224833
IT'S A WOOZY IT'S A WAZZI

>>214226567
didnt he also kidnap his mailman and force him to fuck his wife at gunpoint?

>>214224957
>>214224934
I believe it cause the real Tommy's brother or uncle or someshit turned informer so he felt like he had to double down opn being a faggot.

anyway, WASP Americans predicted the brutality of these swarthoids in their 1907 Immigration Commission and pushed tono longer let them in. Aformal familism is a hell of a thing, it'd be too hardto assimilate them. to this day they wont shut the fuck up about being Italian.

It's unreal that Joe Pesci basically ad libbed the "I'm funny how, like I'm a clown I amuse you?" scene. He's got to be one of the greatest actors of all time to pull that off.

>>214224709 (OP)
There are people like that and far worse. Read some books. Hell, read about Ancient Rome if you want sick and twisted violence.

>>214225677
Some of those people do change and eventually apologize to those they tormented. I've read a few stories of that happening.

>>214227285
That, and also selling more papers to families who like to read The Family Circus.

>>214230727
no anon but the godfather part I and II glorified it to a huge extent. it was more like painting a picture of a royal dynasty than a bunch of dumb gangsters doing dumb shit with a few exceptions. great movie but goodfellas is way more realistic

>>214228230
The military can commit crime, there's just no one to overpower them unless it's another military or their own rules.

>>214231293
>He's got to be one of the greatest actors of all time
Pesci actually is criminally (heh) underrated, wish he hadn't done so much mob shit, but typecasting is kind of unavoidable, very few actors are actually "chameleons", most fall into a "type" that they're most believable as, and there's nothing wrong with that.
On the thread topic, Anthony "Gaspipe" Casso was another real piece of shit.
>>214230266
>you get addicted to a certain type of lifestyle
"The life style"? It's the PUSSY! Being a criminal piece of shit might mean death, incarceration, etc. But you are guaranteed as much pussy as you can stand. Only mob memoir I've read that mentions this crucial fact is by some Irish guy from Boston, "red" or something?

>>214231495
Franzese did change he is a normal person now.
He hit it off big with the podcast thing and made a lot of money, good for him, seems like a smart guy.

>>214230384
Cool. I found the audiobook version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_sxZu5mnCo

>>214231753
> Only mob memoir I've read that mentions this crucial fact is by some Irish guy from Boston, "red" or something?
sounds like some whitey bulger shit. i believe it, women like bad boys. funny how the departed is a better whitey bulger movie than the johnny depp one. same thing happened with flight vs sully. when you have a little free room to fictionalize it's better

>>214227980
Apparently J Edgar Hoover had refused to acknowledge the existence of organized crime and instead went after his enemies and personal interests. He was a known homo and cross dresser that utilized blackmail to keep people in line to include his lovers.

>>214224709 (OP)
You'll find worse today in the russian military.

>>214232220
oddly i had heard that cross dressing is mostly a hetero thing? not my cup regardless but j edgar got hit with two things he had to hide, must have sucked to been him

>>214225476
I remember that one guy switching Goodfellas for Casino while his girlfriend was at the bathroom, going "Jimmy had to flee the city so he's now gone semi-legit in Vegas and brought Pesci along as muscle" and she bought it.

>>214224709 (OP)
Yeah but they're the exception not the rule, and usually they're connected/protected in some way to be able to get away with that kind of behavior. The Mafia doesn't want loose cannons, it brings too much heat on them

>>214229683
Almost everything about his crimes was made up, either by him or yellow journalism, much like with Henry Lee Lucas and HH Holmes.

>>214226065
isn't there a rule a made guy can't have facial hair? what's up with that?

>>214224709 (OP)
The real dude was actually much worse.

>>214225677
Yes. They're called Policemen.

>>214228230
What I find interesting is that we're taught violence and murder is not an appropriate way to solve problems, yet governments do it on a global scale by starting wars where thousands people of kill each other when they can't come to an understanding.

>>214234862
I heard along time ago it's because if they have to go into hiding they can grow a beard/stache for a disguise.

>>214224915
>He also was only in his late twenties when he died
Psalm 55:23 KJV
But thou, O God, shalt bring them down into the pit of destruction: bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days; but I will trust in thee.

>>214235025
it's funny you mention that because the police is by far the fairest criminal gang of them all

>you're transgender
>you're a lesbian arab
>you're a juggalo
>you're a model train enthousiast

the police don't give a single flying fuck about who you are as long as you pass their tests

>>214234862
so you can grow some if you need to go on the lam (lambchop it) i presume. also to distinguish themselves from the hassids

>>214227133
Sammy Gravano makes up weird racial things to try to absolve himself and appeal to the modern zeitgeist.
>"All my old pals I murdered or ratted on were racists! Not like me, I'm a good person despite being a backstabbing murderer because I love black people!"

>>214235025
Oh look, a negro.

>>214225452
>Lansky and Luciano are the ones to thank for truly organized crime in America).
Of course a fake Jew and someone named as the Devil would truly organize it.

>>214235225
And this draws us to the conclusion who really is behind it all.

How come nobody makes films about the Jewish mob in LA? It's always Italians in NY.
Warren Zevon's father and Danny Sugerman's (manager of The Doors and Iggy Pop) father were both LA Jewish mob guys. A lot of interesting media industry connections but it gets overlooked and everyone pretends there's no mob in LA.

>>214228149
>Oh n...nice everybody's here!

>>214235096
>>214235225
>>214235243
Schizo

>>214235362
They've made movies about Mickey Cohen.

Writing a black comedy about an autistic mafia capo

>>214224709 (OP)
Every 14th person on this planet is like that.

>>214231702
the yookay

>>214225230
Brainlet

>>214235362
they did lepke, but in the end the whole
>don't put too many onions in the sauce
>frank sinatra
>eeeey i'm walking ovah heeeeree

i just way better on screen then some tense men doing tense things

>>214228364
>What do you mean "no reason"? That 11-year-old kid rang my doorbell and then ran away! What was I supposed to do, *not* run outside and chase him down and shoot him in the back?

>>214229546
>After his release in 1970, according to the mafia memoir Wiseguy, Henry Hill describes the "welcome home" party for Bentvena at Robert's Lounge, a nightclub owned by James Burke. Bentvena jokingly asked Tommy DeSimone "if he still shined shoes", which DeSimone perceived as an insult, leaning over to Hill and Burke to say, "I'm gonna kill that fuck."[3] Two weeks later, on June 11, 1970, Bentvena was at The Suite, Hill's nightclub in Jamaica, Queens. With the club nearly empty, DeSimone pistol-whipped Bentvena, yelling, "Shine these fucking shoes!" before beating him bloody.[3] After Bentvena was severely beaten and presumed dead, DeSimone, Burke, and Hill placed him in the trunk of Hill's car, stopping at DeSimone's mother's house for a knife, lime, and a shovel. Hearing sounds from the trunk, they realized that Bentvena was still alive, so DeSimone and Burke beat him to death with the shovel and a tire iron. Burke had a friend who owned a dog kennel in Upstate New York, and Bentvena was buried there.[3] At the time of his murder in 1970, Bentvena was 37 years old and was a respected and feared soldier in the Gambino crime family.[3]
lol, the IRL guy spent two weeks seething over the shoe-shining comment. Which apparently didn't even go to the extent it did in the movie with the "now go get your shine box!" comment added on.

>>214225170
Dead bodies were much less taboo when death was an everyday occurence due to disease or unsafe factory conditions.

>>214235445
have a watch of Analyse This 1999

>>214227704
>I always wonder what would have happened if that meeting in Appalachia was never found out about.

>>214235632
>dey wasn't doin nuffin, just sum ding dong ditching*
*kicking people's doors open and firing into houses with airsoft guns

>>214235825
>>214235845
What brings ultra christfags like this guy to 4cuck anyway? Do they know where they are?

>>214235925
>What brings ultra christfags like this guy to 4cuck anyway?
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

>Do they know where they are?
Matthew 10:16 KJV
Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

And if my namefagging baffels you, look at this photograph.

>>214235632
you underestimate how bad an 11 year old YN can be, must be nice being a sheltered faggot

>>214236124
yeah i don't live around blacks thank god

>>214236124
Luke 17:2 KJV
It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

>>214224709 (OP)
what, do you need a fucking cartel video or something?
in the mafia the only way you get a promotion is through killing someone
the guy joe pesci plays in Casino is toned down
he lit a guy on fire
the boss in thief was based on in real did a lot more worse shit than casually say the n word

>>214236009
What if I don't give a fuck?

>>214235632
>spic shooting a spic

>>214236164
Holy fuck you've been doing this shit for months kek.

>>214236269
>What if I don't give a fuck?
It's answered in the verse.
>but he that believeth not shall be damned.

>>214236319
>months
Years.
And God willing more to come.

>>214236319
There ain't much time left is what is going on.
https://youtu.be/HH0AvaG3SqQ

>>214236438
https://twitter.com/DonnieDarkened/status/1527804590967619585

>are the people in a literal murder cult actually bad guys
hmm

>>214236438
>>214236468
What are you going to do when nothing happens?

>>214236486
Pick up my guitar and play just like yesterday, then ill get on my knees and pray, we dont get fooled again.

>>214236486
Remember this?

>>214236468
is Gematria just astrology for schizophrenic men?

>>214237041
Everyone's favourite movie genre.

Revelation 9:6 KJV
And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

>>214225223
Or you ran a shop they extorted. Or you worked in a business they controlled. Or if their associates terrorized your neighborhood. Or if your bedroom was next to where they would hangout all night. Or if they wanted your parking spot. Or if they raped your wife. You seem to have the delusion that most people do about these people. They were as much a cancer to communities as street gangs are.

>>214225747
Retard
>>214225614
His kid was a little ass wipe who was riding a mini bike through the neighborhood and darted out in front of the car. The guy didn’t insult gotti’s wife. His only transgression was driving.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_John_Favara

>>214224709 (OP)
Godfather portrayed mobsters as calm, wise and smart people. While irl they were a bunch of violent sadists with no education.

>>214237247
They had some benefit to their communities.
>pic related: Henry Hill describing watching a negro criminal get dealt with in a mob neighborhood

>>214236438
man this bitch must be so mad
like any other nice piece of slav pussy she figured
>marry this rich retard and i'm set for life
yet she ended up being first lady twice lmao

>>214237986
Seeming important without actually doing anything is literally the trophy wife dream.

Half of them end up setting up shitty stores selling expensive bags just to seem like they exist for something else besides sucking dick.

>>214237986
You think women don't want to be in that position?
Take a look at history, women used to go on poisoning sprees killing half their relatives just to secure a high status position of wife or mother to someone powerful.

>>214224709 (OP)
Your goverment is full of these kind of evil bitches.

>>214224709 (OP)
People that evil and psychotic actually exist and not just in the mob
some are even your neighbors

>>214228149
lmao

>>214224709 (OP)
The other thing about this scene is all the laughing sycophants at the other tables. Tommy isn’t even sat at their table, yet they feel the need to be seen laughing very visibly at his whole act.

>>214238910
Y..yeah..

>>214238910
True. You must understand what is going on with them and not let their behaviour tempt you.

2 Corinthians 4:4 KJV
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Matthew 22:36-40 KJV
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

>>214230426
He cucked himself? What the fuck?

>>214239924
So you are saying that psychotic wise guys who squash people in a vice are the same as those who don't believe in Jesus or love their neighbor enough? Is that the message?

>>214224709 (OP)
>are there actual psychos in the organization for career criminals who would rather kill people than get real jobs?

>>214240182
Romans 12:19 KJV
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

>>214235107
Crackers tend to cry about 3 letter agencies they never encounter just for sympathy

>>214227540
read about the rico laws. basically, the weapon to bring down the mob existed, but no one was really taught how to use it yet. also doesn't help that all the agencies were in competition. several cases would have been solved if they just shared information.

I mean this sincerely when I ask, does the mafia even exist lol? It always felt like hollywood make believe

>>214240397
This is all rather non sequitur
When was the last time you went to an actual church service?

>>214240968
its very prevelant in Italy. In America, it's mostly the gambinos and columbos holding any real power

>On March 14, 2019, Gambino family associate Anthony Pandrella was indicted for the murder and robbery of 77-year-old loan shark Vincent Zito on October 26, 2018. According to court papers, Pandrella murdered Zito out of fear that he would kill him first over an unpaid $750,000 debt he owed him.

>17 members and associates of the Gambino family were charged in an 84-count indictment on June 5, 2024 in relation to the operation of Staten Island-based illegal sports gambling operation, which handled more than $22.7 million in illegal bets, and a loansharking operation that generated approximately $500,000 per week from loan payments. Among those arrested were Gambino soldiers John J. LaForte, Anthony J. Cinque, Jr. and John Matera, Gambino associates Edward A. LaForte, Frederick P. Falcone, Sr., Giulio Pomponio and Daniel F. Bogan, and Colombo family associate Charles Fusco.

>>214241083
pic is from 2024. shit like this is why the mob doesn't work as well these days. I don't feel like i should be seeing this photo

>>214224709 (OP)
AYYY YOU GONNA TAKE THAT????

Sometimes this site reads exactly like a Reddit thread with a few extra words thrown in

>>214224709 (OP)
In the criminal world people like that absolutely exist and I don't see why the Mafia would be any different. Most real criminals don't fuck around with normal people and tend to stick to their own.

>>214224876
It's just Italians in general.

>Was the Mafia ever that powerful?
They were worse. John Gotti was behind the Kennedy assassination and ran the United States as Shadow President until he was killed by the Irish in '92. There was a guy called Benito 'Pedo' Orsini and he was what the Italians call Black Pope until he was killed by an Angel called John Fox in the early 90s as well. Frank Addario (the last Caesar of Babylon) was the final death that basically killed the Mafia. When he died the remaining members of the Illinois Commission killed themselves to avoid being tortured. This being 2018. As of now all the made men are dead but the people who worked for them are still alive and holding positions of power in the the US Justice Department and State Department and are now attempting to consolidate power around a pedophile real estate mogul from 'Old New York'.

>>214240810
Probably because RICO is insanely unconstitutional and only became a thing due to prejudice against immigrant communities.

>>214228149
OH YES!

>>214240973
>non sequitur
Wouldn't say so. The Lord is taking care of both the righteous and the wicked.

2 Peter 3:9 KJV
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

What you should focus more on is spiritual warfare.

Ephesians 6:12 KJV
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

>>214225076
>en.m.

>>214227540
>Are you saying that they half assed enforcement on purpose?
You were around for COVID and you still have to ask that?

>>214224709 (OP)
have you heard of Judaism

>>214224709 (OP)
they still does... they are everywhere around here.... the mafioti types.... you don't want to cross them.....

>>214224709 (OP)
They did, but the mafia was a jewish-run outfit irl

>>214239957
He was a power cuck

>>214227540
When the Kennedies tried to crack down on them, the mob helped assassinate them. JFK's dad asked the mob for help and they did on the agreement that they'd leave the mob alone when in power. But JFK put RFK in as Attorney General and he started going after the mob hard. They helped kill off his brother to get RFK out of power, then when RFK tried to run himself, they arranged his murder.

>>214224709 (OP)
Jewish Mafia is way worse

>>214225452
Don't forget Arnold Rothstein

>>214241149
>tfw Mexican drug capos are better hidden
I remember one whose only picture was his trial sketch and another whose only picture is from the 90s

>>214227336
>does North Korea have a big black market mafia problem?
they might. China still had Triads under Mao. The Sicilian Mafia still existed under Mussolini. Stalin had a significant black market (a side effect of making capitalism illegal).

>>214245845
That's how it's still with the actual Italian mafia. When Bernardo Provenzano was captured in 2006 the last known photo of him was from 1959. The guy after him was captured in 2023 and the last photo was for a drivers licence in 1993.

>>214241083
>its very prevelant in Italy
Source?

>>214241426
How many times does this have to be explained to you. The internet is mostly bots. This is some half assed theory. They literally admit it.

>>214225230
There is nothing redeeming the main character in Wolf of Wall street, you're just a simpleton.

>>214246613
>"In November 2023, over 200 individuals associated with the 'Ndrangheta were convicted in what was described as the largest mafia trial in three decades. Despite over 100 acquittals following the three-year trial, the convictions were considered a significant setback to the organization's activities in Europe. Almost all defendants had been initially arrested in 2019."
>over 200 individuals
>over 100 acquittals

The wiki for ndrangheta. they arrested the alleged leader in columbia this year. they still deal in the usual organized crime activities

>>214225476
>try to reduce the plot of three different movies to 5 bullet points, ignoring everything else about them.
>wooooah is same movey
You're a rabid dipshit, go play in traffic.

>>214235096
>>214235225
>>214235243
keep you and your gay worship of the king of the jews somewhere else

>>214237418
He got taken away after an argument with Gotti's wife when he told her; Why the fuck was he riding in the street for?

>>214236009
>And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
preach your gay gospel up your ass you fag

>>214246613
They're really involved with football ultras.
I remember the leader of SS Lazio's far right ultras, the Irriducibili, was assassinated in a park bench.

>>214236368
>but he that believeth not shall be damned.
stop obsessing over this shit, you are already a 2nd class citizen to jews in your own woke gay ass religion

>>214239924
>Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind
that's a whole lot of fag shit brother

>>214243812
>What you should focus more on is spiritual warfare.
what you should focus on is not being such a gay retard worshiper
the source of all gay shit in the world is jesus

you are a homo

>>214240968
it provides illegal goods and services.

>>214247028
>he was taken after speaking with her so that proves he disrespected her
So you’re saying he showed up at John Gottis house, after killing his kid, and showed disrespect towards his wife? He also disappeared AFTER he killed the fucking kid too so maybe digest that. Litterly everything the guy was ever known to do happened before he disappeared. Why don’t you present your evidence that his disappearance had anything to do with whatever he said to Gottis wife because so far it’s “trust me bro”.
>why was he riding in the street
You haven’t spent much time in the inner city, I see.

For as long as I can remember, I always wanted to eat liquified garlic

>>214225254
why are libtards like this?

>>214225452
southern italians are identical to jews

>>214224709 (OP)
He was way worse in real life.

>>214247850
Nah, they're way too hot headed. Both are crafty and manipulative, but Jews are more passive aggressive. Pretty sure Bugsy Siegel was an up close and personal type of killer, though. They also based Benny from New Vegas on him.

>>214224962
How is this any worse than what tranny school shooters do today?

>>214247893
Jean Harlow was his son's godmother

>>214225452
These dudes were lame in Boardwalk Empire

>>214247050
dumbass

>>214247363
Nta but didnt they live out of the city in some generic suburb? Could be wrong im going off hbos gotti kek

>>214245975
Stalin tolerated the black market because it helped the economy. My point is if a leader actually wants to crack down on something they usually can.

>>214247867
Wow, really?? Too bad they aren't about 40 replies saying exactly this already, you really added a lot with this.

define evil

>>214249192
>Wow, really?? Too bad they aren't about 40 replies saying exactly this already, you really added a lot with this.
and what did you add with this?

>>214249230
Willfully destructive actions that usually have negative consequences for all parties involved (even the perpetrator, in the long term or on a spiritual, karmic or moral level).

>>214249192
thanks bro :>

>>214241149
>gambino organised crimefamily
>only gambino on the list is a "suspect"
Huh?

>>214224709 (OP)
>Did people this evil and psychotic actually exist in the Mafia or is it just Hollywood bullshit?

The real Thomas DeSimone was even worse, that was the toned down version.

>>214249297
Calling out bad retarded posters always gets them to say "yeah well YOU'RE bad and retarded too what does calling out my retardation accomplish"

>>214249673
Dude fuck you, first of all.
What kind of disorder is this? 256 replies and you think this hasn't been said literally dozens of times already? You were the only one who listened to the le podcast or wherever all you heard this?
Either narcissism or autism, not sure which.

>>214249636
You're discriminating against him based on his last name? Very disrespectful.

>>214225614
Afaik it wasn't an excavator but an ice cream truck, and he didn't steal it, he bought it at an auction. He'd honk the horn the whole way home

>>214246613
they literally run the country

>>214241083
>The Colombos
Weren't they always sort of a second rate Family? What happened to the Genovese Family? They were as powerful as the Gambinos.

>>214240968
We've still got Italian Mafia in Montreal and parts of Ontario here in Canada.

So why do gambling addicts to this day still end up in the trunk of mobsters cars? Shouldn't that deter people from gambling in the first place?

>>214225677
Those bullies become corperate managers and local community leaders. Society loves bullies.

Back when I watched The Sopranos as a teenager I always thought it was way too ridiculous. Years later, when I've read tons of books about the mob, I realized that they're actually downplaying the violence quite a bit. There's been gangsters around even during the late 90s that had suspected body counts of more than 50 people, including women and children.

>>214250714
>corperate

>>214224993
They were all also fucking really young girls; im talking like 13-16 year olds. They don’t mention it in the movie but the real reason Paulie did that stretch in prison is because he was found guilty of raping a 15 year old.

>>214250902
How do you think they Make Men?

>>214224709 (OP)
Ive been around drunks that are like this

>>214224876
spbp

>>214246920
my grandma hates gay people and this is the church she goes to kek

>>214226153
>>214227285
The real reason they tone it down is because sensitive info including homicide photos are withheld on behalf of the victim's possible family members who may happen to be reading the newspaper that day. News sites DO often have the gore photos, but it gets archived weeks after the crime so the initial reports never include them. In most cases you don't even have a name yet for the first 24hrs.

Anone looking for a top quality mob documentary should check out Crime Inc. There is some really gory footage in there. It was made in the 1980s, and you can see a then unknown John Gotti in the background at one point in surveillance footage.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnPtkBpr7Gqw6Mvy_71F9SAsAamgrptor

Was he really a mob hitman?

>>214224962
The thing to note is that the Saint Valentine's Day Massacre was considered unusually bloody and shocking even by the standards of late 1920s Chicago organised crime and did prompt people to start seeing organised crime in a much more negative light.

>>214228149
Tommy transformed into Leslie Nielsen for a moment there

>>214247363
Gotti lived on 85th and Favara 86th. They were having a bbq in their yard and it pissed off Gotti's wife. He told her off.
>trust me bro
Jr told that story.

>>214246244
How did they live without any documents?

H-hey h-hey hey did you guys did you guys know did you know t-that t-that in real life they were actually worse?? D-did you k-know t-that? They were worse ha ha

>>214250294
So I shouldn't move to Italy?

>>214227336
North Korea actually does have a large black market, especially on the border with China.

>>214230727
It's funny. The Godfather did make the mob mythological and mobsters did imitate it. But the mobsters at the time hated that it was being made at all, because they simply didn't want any reference to the mafia in the public.

>>214235362
They made one and it was fucking garbage.

>>214239957
Precisely. It was one of the incidents where other mob guys were like "this guy is not right in the brain". Another thing - not only did he try to rape Hill's wife, when she went to Paulie to complain, Paulie fucked her. That way she would be "safe" from other mobsters kek

>>214235362
I think Mickey Cohen appears in LA Confidential

>>214235925
Better question, what makes idiots like you engage with them in any way? A basic knowledge of human psychology would tell you that any attention whatsoever feeds his ego to post more shit.

>>214243321
And looky looky that prejudice destroyed organized crime as soon as it was taken advantage of.

I'm sure there's a lesson there...

>>214226050
Big Pussy is based on him

>>214235100
>you're a model train enthusiast
Jesus Christ! A line has to be drawn somewhere!!

>>214228196
It's the nonas theyre cooking you fuckwit

>>214254472
Crime kinda got worse, though. Now we have devil worshipping Mexicans and blacks high on crack shooting each other over scuffed sneakers.

>>214235925
Because sublime retards like you still need the gospel. Feel grateful anyone even cares to try and save your disgusting self from hell where you and all mankind belings.

Yeah honestly as a former prison convict, these sorts of characters are in every form of serious organized crime. They almost always end up getting killed by a hit ordered from their own bosses, exactly as what happened with Joe Pesci’s character

>>214236269
You'll feel pain and misery and seething forever. You'll care then. Lol care before it's too late. Hell is real and youre headed there.

>>214224709 (OP)
this was an actual guy and yes he was actually like that but he was huge. Henry was terrified of him cause he would just do shit like Tommy and kill people for no reason

>>214224709 (OP)
don't you people never seen cartel videos?

>>214254717
That's some nice coping headcanon you got there

>>214254686
But do people like that actually do any good? I was always turned off of Christianity by that kind of behavior.

>>214254811
I hate Indians so much, man.

>>214254685
You always had that. The idea that rampant black criminality is a modern addition to American life is completely false.

>>214245975
>The Sicilian Mafia still existed under Mussolini
They were almost completely crushed and only survived because of support from the US government. Sounds ridiculous, but it's true.

>>214224709 (OP)
There totally are. By nature mentally ill and overly violent individuals tend to be mentally ill. In the tri-state (NY/NJ/PA) area there are a shit ton of modern day mafia still here and there's plenty of sadistic bastards left.

>>214252192
>jr told that story, trust me bro
Uh huh.

>>214235025
Policemen only come in two types:
>type A
dude that wants no trouble, wants to go home safely and only joined for the benefits with low requirements
>type B
bully with terminal cowboyitis that likes to escalate situations for no reason other than getting a chance to shoot a living thing

>>214256927
There's also the bureaucrat nerd variant of type B whose mission in life is to find a reason to issue as many fines as possible.
These are the ones you see in policecam videos who end up squealing like bitches when the nog they've been escalating with chimps out and attacks them.

My town used to have a bunch of mobsters that all died off and now it's all spics lol. People talk about wishing the mafia would come back to get rid of the criminals and I'm like wtf are you talking about

>>214255054
for people who were once christian and have fallen out of it or grew up with it, sometimes seeing a verse can cause a little inner tingle, I wouldn't be surprised if its worked on a few people.

>>214227336
>>214227540
Mafias are a natural occurrence of any place that allows an underworld. They're just slightly more sophisticated than gangs, but the structures are basically the same all over the world. So yeah, NK does have a thriving black market that is handled sanctioned and tolerated by the government, just as it happens in Venezuela. The government is the biggest mob there.

Now, the "Mafia" in Italy and the US have the particularity of being very much a nationality and family thing. But in some other places they're simply assemblages of loosely related crooks. And many countries have several mafias, some cities have more than a single mafia like structure per city but the codes are similar.

Americans love talking about "The Cartel" like it is this very specific thing. They're just mafias and in some cases their biggest source of income are drugs, but they also run protection rackets, handle prostitution, contraband, gambling and predatory loans and eventually they also have legal investments. They buy out the police and politicians and threaten whoever they can't buy. In some cases the city mafia is connected to a larger national structure or are just what is left after a larger group is dismantled or falls apart.

>>214247254
>picrel
The rainbow comes from God's covenant with us. The sodomites today have wrongly appropriated it. It has 7 colors, like the 7th day on which God rested after creating all things. Notice how the sodomites removed the 7th color from it?

>>214252226
>Provenzano was also provided with fake travel and medical records, under the name of Salvatore Troia's father, Gaspare Troia, a Sicilian baker.

>>214235107
I wish. It's all zoomers who don't go outside thinking they're fucking N.W.A. now

>>214257656
Ah I see. Not for me then. That never made sense before.

>>214251603
He looks chinese

>>214258323
>So yeah, NK does have a thriving black market that is handled sanctioned and tolerated by the government,
Do you know this or are you just guessing?

>>214227336
I remember some kino Werner Herzog doc where some random blokes end up pretending to be arms dealers and getting invited to NK