>mom said it's my turn to attack
How will soulslike bosses evolve after Prince Consort and Arlekino?

>another melenia ripoff

>>712721895 (OP)
It's literally the Genshin boss...

>>712721895 (OP)
this looks like laxasia but red

I hate that souls-like became synonymous with snappy combat and long combos you have to reactionally dodge or parry.
When you look at DeS it was about making a believable world that doesn't beat you over the head with storytelling and having the bosses be hard enough and the consequences of failure severe enough to warrant caution.

Nothing more but also nothing less.

Leves should be designed to not only be slogged through once. There should be a focus on making the world fun to traverse. If you have to fast travel everywhere, the world is too large to be interesting and the developers should be capable of designing the levels to be interconnected and looping back on themselves.

The world should also have an in universe explanation for why you character gets reborn and should react accordingly. If the boss constantly repeats it's intro dialogue the developer didn't put thought into this and therefor I am not going to care about their world.

Should I go to the DLC zone right after I unlock it or should I finish the main story first?

>>712722479
finish main story first or the main final boss will be trivialized after dlc, but don't go into ng+

>>712721895 (OP)
unironically whats the optimal strategy here?
what would the best player in the world do?

>still dying after using perfect grindstone
do shitters really

>>712721895 (OP)
>you have to watch the boss do a cutscene attack and you have no choice but to spam parry like a little bitch
this is why people call this genre slop

>>712722627
ok I'll keep on playing the main story

>>712722778
Learn the timings
Its nowhere near as hard as DLC Radahn anyway

>>712722434
Everything that gets popular with normalfags is eventually ruined. Even the storytelling aspect is taken to the extreme, now everything has to have an explanation and every boss needs super deep and complex lore so redditors can jerk off to it.

>>712722778
Parryslop all the attacks probably
Sekiro and its consequences

>>712722434
There’s a lore reason for why Carlo can keep coming back and bosses do have different dialogue every time you enter the boss room. That’s actually something Fromsoft has never done in their entire history.

Just play better games

goynigs really play this slop and flail their arms around yelling kino while dying 1000 times

>>712722778
>what would the best player in the world do?

>>712721895 (OP)
Reminds me of this

>>712722778
I havent even played it, but it seems to me if the webm retard didnt attack after the boss plunged down and instead just walked away and regened some stamina he would've easily have enough stamina to block the rest of the attacks, with maybe couple of dodges at the end, since the attacks are very readable

>>712723217
man, no matter how hard I practice, I can never get the R2 parry down on that thing

>>712723271
can we go back to bed of chaos please

>>712723016
The guy in the OP webm looks like he is just mindlessly holding the block button all the time. It's not even rhythmic like in Sekiro.

>>712723046
Haven't played lies of P but if that is true they are actually deserving of respect for fixing this obvious problem and not just reusing the pattern laid by From.

To get back to the topic of the thread: Realize From is not the almighty saviour and will from this point onward only follow it's formula to print money and appease mainstream vtubers.
Devs need to stray from the established and try to view things as their own projects. You can use established Souls as groundwork but question every established decision and give a reason why it it there or change it.

>>712722778
there are a couple of ways to deal with it
>run away from most of it
>dodge some, parry some, guard some
>parry all of it but this is legitimately hard as fuck to do
>use the perfect grindstone, it will handle 90% of it
>just dodge everything
best player in the world could probably parry all of it, but for the average player, figure out what you can reliably guard, dodge and parry and work from there, trying to parry all of it is a good way to die quick

>>712723439
It's a temporary special that lets you perfect parry everything for 30 seconds. The parry window is actually tighter than Sekiro. The death is because I was trying to attack mid-combo to see if you could stagger his combo but all it did was consume stamina so the parrying broke.

>>712723271
This is perfectly fine though? You don't need to learn obnoxious timings, just spam the dodge button and be aware of your surroundings

>>712723271
>>712721895 (OP)
funny how soulslop absolutely suck the marrow of the slopppy dick of these two clones which have 0 exploration and 0 awe and bosses are just devil may cry bosses or worse.

Yes I have finished both because I made the mistake of buying them. Yes Arlechino is peak, yes demon outlaw vergil clone Markus or whatever his name was is peak but we have to fucking stop.

Overall these games are nothing compared to stuff like the Dark Souls series or even Elden Ring. We're going in the wrong fucking direction for a few fucking streamers who think that beating a boss is a life accomplishment.

>>712723791
12 seconds. Other grindstones last 40 seconds. Not counting the P-Organ upgrades

>artorias was considered super fast and hardcore 20 years ago

>>712721895 (OP)
Refunded this shit halfway through the zoo. 90 vitality and getting ripped apart by common mobs while they survive multiple charged heavies of my best weapon is just not something im going to do.
I have too much self respect to "endure" through a game rather than have fun with it.

I knew this shit was over hyped garbage the second I saw it's Korea/china shit because this board is like 80% of those people spamming their shit but I didn't expect it to be this trash

>>712724404
could always just have turned down the difficulty, or played on a NG where they don't hit as hard

>>712724404
Unless you're on Ng+ it's hard to believe you'd get shredded
if you don't have around at least 50%+ physical damage reduction and 15%+ elemental resistance in ng+ you're doing it wrong

>>712724326
fuck nigga you actually made me look

>>712724493

>>712724404
yeah it's balanced by monkeys, the main bosses are kinda ok tho, somewhat.

>>712724706
You wouldn't know cool if it hit you in the head you souless bug,even the manes industry is a copy of a copy of a copy of something Japanese,kill yourself

>>712724580
The only reason they added new difficulties was because they knew they were making the dlc numbers fucked up, and I refuse to play ball with that.
Got through NG+3 on the default difficulty and loved every minute, never felt like I died to anything but my own mistakes. Now common mobs are halving me in 1 hit? No shot im dealing with that.

>>712724902
Please tell the class what you think a “cool” game is so I can laugh at your unbelievably shit taste.

>>712724919
try not getting hit

>>712722116
Malenia does Arlecchino's laundry.

>>712724591
I'm on NG+3, wearing the heaviest gear available to me and the life ring on top of my vitality.
>>712724751
I did beat the crocodile, and I would say it was generally inoffensive but my mood was immensely soured by that point.

>>712723271
This is fine though.
>boss do his 2nd phase special attack
>Parry dodge everything
>You actually get to bash her skull in when she comes down
Khazan is actually one of the few game with "souls" gameplay that gives you turn. Hell you can even steal turns and don't let bosses breath

>>712725239
Crocodile fucking sucks. Honestly out of all the new bosses I enjoyed only the last one. I know I'm a special type of retard tho so don't take my word for it.

>play on a NG where I gave Geppetto my porgan
>play through the DLC
>Lea doesn't recognize me despite the fact I'm supposed to look exactly like Carlo

I’d like the game more if the parry system was more forgiving. Or the guard system was easier to understand. If bosses are going to have these long wind ups and visuals then the least they can do is make the window not ass

>>712721895 (OP)
Just keep going until Ongbal can no longer do it hitless within the day

>>712725602
I saw him take damage trying to solo nightreign... it's over

>>712721895 (OP)
I'm 2 hours in, best I can do is deleting 25% of his 2nd phase HP

>>712725578
Stop being obsessed with i-frames.

I forgot how much of an annoying Redditnigger character the faggot cricket gemini is

>>712726125
honestly, he doesn't talk enough for me to get really annoyed with him by the time he's getting annoying, he stops and doesn't say a peep for hours

Was there anyone who actually chose to not turn off the brain in the vat?

>>712722375
No way. Laxasia is slower. Aleckino is Malenia on steroid. The difference between Aleckino and Malenia is that Aleckino is a parry checker while Malenia is dodge.

>>712723072
Cope.

>>712721895 (OP)
Git gud

>>712723217
Ongbal ? I wonder if that faggot LMSH play this game ? I wanna see him killing Aleckino.

Thoughts on the Icarus legion arm? Cataclysm (shotgun) is amazingly powerful, but this one, I dunno, its useful enough, but not really on Cataclysm's level

>>712723447
skill issue

I never played much of Lies of P or the DLC. I'm going to take a stab in the dark and assume the DLC is completely divorced from the Pinocchio theming.

>>712722434
you should be in bed, grandpa

>>712726850
Icarus is good because it has zero opportunity cost. It's just free damage.

>>712724706
anything,even binding of issac is cooler that that copy of a copy of super duper fast sword effects,I will go as far as to say that even The Last of Us is cooler.I also didnt mention the word cool you subhuman chink,open your eyes when you’re driving

>>712722434
>Demon's Souls
>not designed around teleporting
are you retarded?

>>712726913
Depends on your definition of Pinocchio theme. It's expanding the main story and some characters like Sophia, Arlecchino for example.

>>712726850
Free damage is always good.

>>712726125
The only line I remember from Gemini is when he's talking about the singer when you first enter Rose Street, so I guess I just naturally tuned him out for the rest of the game.

>>712726850
It’s free damage and its ranged, which makes it useful for clearing out levels.

>going in for the final hit on an enemy
>weapon bounces off the wall/environment
>I eat a hit instead and have to waste a heal
This shit fuck me over way more than it should.

>>712722116
Unlike Malenia the rest of his moveset is actually dangerous as fuck

>>712727475
happens to the best of us
and yes, much more than it should

>>712727475
Rose sword especially suffers from this
the weeb katana at least has a stab on the dodge attack

>>712723271
You don't even need to spam dodge like a spastic, just run and it will do the job

>>712724178
trvke, only fromsoft know how to make a good soulslike game

>>712722116
Malenia wishes. Arlecchino's an actual great final fight.
From should take notes.

>>712725718
Take a break.
I don't know how or why, but after taking a break, I tend to perform a little better.

>>712728027
Use charged r2 after a dodge, it ass fucks everything and will never bounce off anything.

>>712724326
Artorias was considered super fast and hardcore because the game ran at less FPS and everything had more input lag

>>712728650
how so?

>>712728319
Fromsoft went in the same direction of everything being about hyper combo bossfights

Why didn't Pino spare her, bros?

I reached the point in my new playthrough where I can access the DLC

Should I finish the main game first or do the DLC?

>>712729454
I really hate that this happened. I liked dark souls for being a high tension adventure game and it's a real shame that no one has decided to copycat that aspect.

>>712729535
If you have finished the game previously, go straight to the dlc. Unless you happen to want some specific end game gear.

>>712728650
Malenia is not th final boss

>>712729535
do the dlc then finish the game with a dlc weapon

>>712729485
Has anyone ripped the model without the mask?

>>712729535
Every single boss in the dlc is harder than the main game

>>712729485
She was just as murderous and vile as the rest of them. Reminder that they kept an entire district in misery as the petrification disease has rekt it further.

Damn Laxasia is way easier than I remembered though I guess I didn't know you could reflect her lightning back the first time I beat her

>>712732929
Laxasia almost feels like a pushover after the DLC. It felt like one of those anime where a big bad suddenly encounters an even bigger bad.
Tough luck bitch, now i can teleport, summon rotating shuriken wheels and have such a big shotgun it will flinch you mid combo

>>712721895 (OP)
Just go full circle, let my fucking character be faster. Currently on second boss after crocodile, I like it but man, I fuking hate how slow my character's animations. Even if I push the block he can't rise his arms fast enough. Just go full fucking senior if you really want to make a party slop.

>>712732827
what is this!?

>>712722116
>another malenia ripoff
That's not true, arlekino is actually a good fight.

>>712732929
Main game bosses feel sluggish after the dlc, I feel so skilled parrying most of their strings and beating them on the first try

>>712724404
I'm on ng3+ and didn't had than much problem in the zoo. Yeah, they hit hard but at that point of the game you can beat them without any damage. If you fully upgraded puppet string arm then the air attack trivializing most of the enemies, except for mini bosses.

>>712733414
Romeo if he not dead

The zoo and croc suck fucking ass, almost caused me to drop the game

>>712722778
You can literally just run away from this entire attack until the last red attack. It's not even that hard. You just go to the outer wall, run perpendicular to him until he's done sperging out, then parry the single red dive attack he does at the end.

Or you can just parry it. I dodged all the red orbs by running then parried the rest of the combo. It's really not THAT hard, it just looks scary.

>>712722434
>>>>>>>>>>>>souls-like became synonymous with snappy combat

>>712734287
oh, just modder shenanigans? i thought there was like a secret cutscene or interaction with him that i missed

>>712721895 (OP)
Wait, you can just hold block in this game? I thought it was a Sekiro-like?

>>712729454
I wouldn't mind that but if only my fucking character wouldn't be such slow piece of shit. There was no stamina in Sekiro so you could run, dodge and parry absolutely freely, without any restrictions. We need to go full circle and we not back to cool action games, or slower DS1 gameplay.

>>712721895 (OP)

Alright bros I'm finally trying the game, I need your starter tips

>>712734917
If you don't know an attack string, don't be afraid to just block it instead of attempting a parry. Blocking gives you Bloodborne-esque Rally health where you can get back a large portion of the health lost while blocking via landing attacks on the enemy.

I pirated and it was meh. I'm going back to nioh 2.

I give up, I will heal Lea

>>712725508
>Find the mustache and put it on
>Lea says I "look familiar" as it zooms in on mustachioed P
Had a good laugh

>>712726125
I don't know if I'm disappointed or relieved that the DLC didn't answer any questions about who the fuck Gemini was, despite apparently being associated with Lea.

>>712722479

The final final boss (the one after the standard final boss) has, in my opinion, much more of a narrative impact if you do it after the DLC.

In any case don't do it right away, you'll get your ass kicked.

>>712735557
they have to have a few narrative hooks for the Oz sequel.

the question is, will we continue playing as P, this time filling the role of the Tin Man, or Dorothy? or both?

>>712736140

Playing as the Tin Man seems like the easiest way to justify using many of the same mechanics (i.e. robot arms). It just works narratively to have you be the artifical weirdo in each associated story.

>>712734676
You can also hold block in Sekiro.

>>712721895 (OP)
learning to perfect parry the entire combo was so satisfying

yeah no fuck this

>>712735258
Kek, same. I held off for like 3 playthroughs trying to be the cold-hearted puppet and every goddamn time I caved at the last second. The way she looks at you man… they knew what they were doing.

>>712737543
Run past it. There is a stargazer just up the stairs.

>>712737776
think i will do just that
this and those spastic ballerinas, goddamn

>>712724326
That looks downright sluggish compared to the more recent games

>>712737543
You need to kill him anyway, you need quartz.

>>712721895 (OP)
Parry and dodging I-frames ruined the entire arpg genre and I will die on this hill.

>>712737543
CLOWNED

>>712737727
The hell are you referring to?

>>712729195
Arlecchino has more than just two moves that are highly dangerous, and the parry system of LoP means you're still engaged even when he's attacking
Also Lies of P just has a lot of QoL shit that From is lacking in

Was watching an Ongbal video and....
Does the twin dragon sword parry during the whole flourish animation? Or do you have to time it out to the moment where it "charges" and gets the sound clue and glint?
I never used it and have already beaten the game, but im curious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFJK8WGteaw

>>712736441
I can imagine tinman-P as a boss in the second game.

>>712739667
You have to time it with the sound.

>>712739362
>easy respec/reset system heavily suggest you to experiment as you see fit
>indicators for levels
>pulse system and regeneration push you to further explore
these alone makes it so much more satisfying to play without impending possible challenges

People meme about that opening too much
You can block 90% of it and just sneak a couple parry on the easy parts when he is meleeing and it will regain all the guard dmg
He hits fairly weak into block, in p1 is a problem, you can't just block everything and then regain on "your turn" for a meager loss of health because you run out of stamina and get guard broken
But on his opening (and mid p2) combo you can block most of it. It looks way worse than it is.

>>712739667
You have a 1s wind up before it's activated, aka the flourish animation
The sound and glint is when it's active but it's very short

I just beat the rabbits (round 2). How much more of the base game do I have left? It feels like it's getting close to the finale but if I'm being honest, the Puppet King/Romeo fight also felt that it was going to be the lead in to the final act and that obviously wasn't the case.

>>712724178
Devil May Cope bosses wish they were half as good as Khazan's

>>712736140
>the question is, will we continue playing as P
100% absolutely no doubt in anybody's mind we are playing as P again
Whether we just observe the story as an outside agent or we do take the "tin man" role that i have no idea but the people that think that we might play as Dorothy and that the story of P is over and that there will be another MC they are smoking some good kombucha

>>712739918
You have one more major area and 3 more bosses
Sadly the upcoming area is the worst of the game, but the bosses are all some of the best so it balances out a little

>>712739918
one small area
one big area
one big area
finish

>>712739918
The next area is the last, but it is very long.

>>712739702
>>712739916
Thank you, i mean is what i expected, i guess he just made it look so easy that i was starting to think that weapon had like a 1 full second parry window.

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO THEY SHOULD JUST REHASH DEMON SOULS OVER AND OVER AGAIN

>>712739918
There's effectively one more chapter ahead, but it has enough content to be 2 chapters.

>>712739776
Also
>death souls drop outside of boss arenas
>can use soul items from inside the level up screen
>respec area is unlocked immediately upon starting NG+
Just basic shit that FROM should have started a long while ago

>>712739362
I don't know, I feel like the Malenia fight is way more dynamic since I can punish her in return after every one of her combos.
Sometimes his 1st phase went up to 10+ combos, and he sometimes even extends it when I heal

>>712740484
I feel like Waterfowl and her clone attack are pretty much impossible to punish effectively, and are so strong that you just have to try to survive
His first phase combos are pretty brutal, especially if you're using a slower weapon though

Parrying will always be superior to dodging because it allows more interactive combat and aggressive play. Parryhaters are also coincidentally megashitters.

>>712722778
You can't run away from the projectiles

>>712740632
Depends on what the parry does.

>>712726827
yah thats ongbal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFJK8WGteaw

If you don't play as Dorothy in a fucking Wizard of Oz game what's the point.
If P is a dual protagonist that's fine. They could make her magic based and keep the combat from LoP for P.

>>712740707
Lying makes you a naughty boy. Be a good boy, son.

>>712740632
Why not--and this may be controversial, I know--LET PLAYERS HAVE THE OPTION OF DOING BOTH TO GET THE UPPER HAND ON BOSSES?

The First Berserker looked at all the other Souls Like trash and said
>Why not both?
WOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW

>>712740484
??? One of the biggest complaints with Malenia is that Waterfowl literally has no punish window despite being her most crazy attack.
Arlecchino, if you parry his phase 2 opener, does a whole animation where he stands up and pulls his hair back letting you get in several big hits.

Arlecchino is 100% a better designed fight than Malenia. It's not even up for debate.

>>712740986
LoP allows for both thoughbeit

>>712740986
WOOOOOOOOW Lies of P does the same thing retard. Play the game.

That ongbal dude might be a good player
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8qU4EcfTl8

>>712740905
you are playing as P the twink, nobody cares about girls anon

>>712740910
Ongbak is a disingenuous cock sucker who literally works for these developers as a battle consultant. Only way he could run from those projectiles is because he knows every fucking hitbox, hurtbox, and mother loving polygon in that stage and can probably triangulate which angle of attack to take, which angle of escape to run from in which to not get hit by anything. Dude probably knows secrets hidden by more secrets in that one final area that many of us would cut arms off to know. I have tried running from that shit so many times and always get hit. There must be some super small window, area, angle, or vector one has to take to be able to just sprint willy nilly and avoid every single skull like that.

>>712740986
Dodging requires less skill than parrying, and you can do both in LoP, but parrying rewards you better. That’s proper balance.

>>712723217
>literally wait your turn simulator, deflects barely make the enemy animations change
sekiro clones are actually so ass
its actually comical seeing such an exageratedly spergy boss but in response the players' controller is extremely idle and barely doing anything in response. at least sekiro could shake it up more with stuff like inner owl and demon of hatred, or keep things at a more sane pace like sword saint, without going into spergy bullshit

>>712741115
>>712741206
Now look who's lying

>>712741296
>I have tried running from that shit so many times and always get hit
You're talking about the blood projectiles during Arlecchino's phase 2 opener?
Because those can just be dashed around

>>712741296
You have got to be a fucking moron. I fought Arlecchino without looking anything up completely fresh and immediately realized you can just make some distance and outrun the projectiles. You know, like every other boss in souls-like history who shoots projectiles at you.

>>712741308
>parrying rewards you better
really nice way of saying
>parrying rewards you with stagger, while dodging does jack shit
>>712741401
I can see your nose growing in real time

>>712741296
Wtf are you talking about
I did the fight and ran from the orbs no problem
Just run away from him and don't corner yourself before he even cast them, they won't connect

>>712741389
The only thing that comes close to necessitating parrying is the Door Guardian
While parrying can be helpful there's nowhere where you HAVE to do it

>>712741308
Dodging occasionally better, as it can leave you in a better position to counter. A lot of big attacks push you back a lot of i you parry or block them.

>>712741452
>>parrying rewards you with stagger, while dodging does jack shit
As it should be. The more skillful option should do more, retard. What would be the point of partying if dodging was easier and gave the same benefit, you fucking muppet? Thank God your dumbass isn’t a game designer.

>>712741471
His nose is reaching lengths not considered possible in the observable universe

>>712741592
Okay, so my point is proven. Dodging just jack shit. Ergo, First Berserker is the better game. No point in dodging.

>ongball spends 9999 hours trying to get a 'perfect video' of a bossfight using the playstyle with the least fucking player expression you could possibly conceive, wow hes the best!!
anyone who believes this is so fucking gay
literally anyone who mildly obsesssed over sekiro plays like that if they want.

>>712741293
how does he perfect parry the red alchemist boss streaks starting at 2:45 roughly? he just stands there blocking
does he have enough block/dmg reduction that he can block those and take no chip?

>>712741682
what does dodging do in khazan

>>712723217
This seems miserable.
At least Malenia and Consort Radahn could be met toe to toe with a tank build if you weren't up for the patty-cake bullshit.

>>712741741
The thing you should be suspicious about is how Arlekino keeps attacking him close range in the first few moments of the video using the same attack. I have never seen the boss attack me the same way like that twice over, much less three times in a row. Either Ongbak the script user is cheating or something else is going on we don't know about.

>>712741682
You can dodge though lmao. Parrying just makes staggering easier.

>WAAAAAAAAAH WHY IS THE MORE SKILL-INTENSIVE FORM OF PLAYING REWARDED MORE THAN MY MINDLESS APE ROLLING??!?!11!1 IT’S NOT FAAAAAAAIR!

>>712722434
This. DeS combat was a crude unsexy struggle that even looked clumsy at times, but spoke to the games atmosphere of just trying to survive.
Now everything is anime.

>>712741826
Dodging is just as viable as parrying is in Lies of P. There are weapons and builds centered purely around dodging in that game. And it helps that bosses in Khazan actually TAKE TURNS and let you attack in stark contrast to Lies of Penis.

just got to the money tree and the dude selling crystals
are any of them any good?
the phantom heal seems good for boss fights

>>712741950
Try staggering Arlekino without parrying in NG+4. Come back with results. Go on, I'll wait.

>>712741934
>Either Ongbak the script user is cheating or something else is going on we don't know about.
the kind of people we share this board with

>>712742069
they are all alright, the regen healing one was my go to since i played without summons, it was just some extra health
remember you can only buy one crystal (3 fruits) every 30 mins, dunno whose gook idea was to timegate that shit

>>712741296
You went full retard

>>712742108
Here you go, dumb faggot.

https://youtu.be/x2OBMsqDLc8?si=TAgaaTikaoJShEY2

>>712722116
Chadlekino is what shartlenia wishes to be, a good boss fight.

>>712741452
>I can see your nose growing in real time
https://files.catbox.moe/t14thm.mp4

>>712742302
+good voice acting and interactions

>>712742231
Close, but no cigar. Video doesn't say anything about him being on NG+ or beyond, much less NG+4. He is only on vanilla NG.

>>712742406
>https://files.catbox.moe/t14thm.mp4
That's just you dodging them, which then clearly leaves you open to getting slammed by Arlekino's follow up attack. We were discussing sprinting past the projectiles, which is what Ongbak did.

>>712742532
>b-but
You stupid nigger lmao, it’s the same boss regardless of NG level. Promptly fuck off now, you’ve been BTFO in front of the entire class.

>>712742302
Arlecchino is how you should do a final DLC boss fight
>extensive interactions through the game
>a fuck ton of ominous implications about his past
>clearly important, was imprisoned at the heart of alchemist citadel, not disposed of unlike all Simon enemies
>ties into the backstory of another character

>>712725602
Onbal doesn't stream, which means he is definitely cheating in some way. Likely cheat engine 0.25 speed on jailbroken PS5 or something. And he's not gonna stop.

>>712742667
that video somebody linked above "dodging only" also sprints the orbs around and avoid them
>>712742231

>>712742685
I stipulated in my original post that I was on NG+4. You clearly haven't played through the DLC on NG+ anything, otherwise you wouldn't be typing all of this dumbass shit in ignorance. The DLC is an entirely different beast in NG++ and beyond. You have no idea what you are talking about.
>it's the same boss regardless of NG level
lol
lmao
my sweet, naive, summer child

>>712742667
>I KEEP GETTING HIT BY THESE STUPID ASS FUCKING PROJECTILES
>you can just dash around them
>NO YOU CANT YOU FUCKING LIAR
>shows video of projectiles being dodged
>THATS JUST YOU DODGING THEM, WHICH THEN LEAVES YOU OPEN TO GETTING SLAMMED
And then it will be
>you can easily parry that slam
>NO YOU CANT FUCK YOU FUCK YOU AAAAAHHHHHHHH
kek, git gud shit for brains

>>712742685
Not the same but
Retardkun you do realize each ng+ iterations increase their stagger thresholds, right? Right?
that's what this anon is talking about

>>712742860
>doesn't know the difference between dashing and dodging
ESLs get out

>>712742948
The dodge in LoP is a dash
Sprinting is a run

>>712739362
Basically you just suck at the game
>>712742756
Consort Radahn has all of those, 8 questlines related to him in the DLC and large part of the base game setting it up, and still makes you seethe

>>712742986
>doesn't know the difference between running and sprinting
yep, huge retarded ESL

>manage to get behind arlechinno
>about to drop my biggest load on his fucking back
>he hits me with a back attack using the saws
I didnt expect that, well played gooks

>>712743074
hey, you're the one complaining about being unable to avoid an easy projectile mate

>>712743034
>Consort Radahn has all of those
Radahn had all of those, Consort is a gigantic, ugly, dumb asspull with reused animations from a DS2 enemy

>>712742854
>>712742869
This desperation is sad. I’ve been the entire DLC on ng+ twice and beat all bosses on difficulty 5 in the rematch. The boss is the exact same move-wise and coping about “muh hp, muh stagger” is pathetic.

>>712742108
Why do you need to stagger him?
You can clearly beat him with no dodges either way

>>712743162
>>712743230
>backpedaling this hard

>>712722434
No other souls-like manages to have interesting level design. Demons Souls is the only game where fighting the boss included fighting the run back and the boss arena.

>>712743316
What does this have to do with your inability to avoid Arlecchino's projectile?

>>712743313
We've now gone from
>dodging is just as viable as parrying, you don't need parry
>uh...yeah, you're right, dodging doesn't grant stagger, b-but...you can still beat the boss as long as you're on NG!
>w-well...you may be on NG+4, which increases stagger thresholds, damage output of bosses, etc, but...you don't need stagger anyway!

>>712743442
>you don't need stagger anyway!
Yup

>>712743392
Like your inability to comprehend first grade English? Like your inability to differentiate between a dodge, run and sprint?

>>712722434
>>712742015
Phalanx and Tower Knight are superior bosses to anything after Bloodborne.

>>712743520
So you still can't avoid that projectile attack?

>>712743497
Have you beaten the DLC on NG+4?

>>712743442
You also do more damage and stagger on ng+ you goalpost moving faggot. It’s no one’s problem but yours that you suck shit and need to cope about it.

I've done it, I killed Arlekino
with Lea

>>712743230
You're the only one who is debating about new moves you dumbass
This is about how it's much harder to stagger him without constantly doing perfect parries in ng+4 and beyond
Other bosses also become harder to stagger but they provide more windows of opportunities as such they recover slower from your swings' stagger
His becomes retarded due to the little downtime

>>712743647
>>712743572
Have you beat the DLC on NG+4, yet?

ARLECCHINO ASSASSINO

>>712741856
Lea's right there if you need help. Makes the fight piss easy.
Melania and Radahn are much worse fights. Mainly due to Soul's gameplay being so lackluster.

>>712743691
I don't have to beat it on NG+4 to know that the projectile attack you were initially shitting yourself over is easy to avoid

>>712724493
I love this insane hatred of any Korean-made games on this board, what did the country do to you personally?

>>712743691
Have you beaten Arlecchino at all, you stupid nigger?

>>712743184
Wrong, Consort Radahn has all of those. It has so much quests, material and actual foreshadowing in the base game. It's also the only reasonable explanation to the Battle of Aeonia itself.
Fucking Helphen's Steeple states that only those who die in battle valiantly return to Helphen, which was the Tree preceding the Erdtree.
There's so much lore dedicated just to foreshadowing Consort Radahn alone that it's undeniably that it was planned all along.

>reused animations from a DS2 enemy
Also completely false

>>712743661
No shame in that.
At least now you can refight him easily with boss rematch. Once you start getting the parry timings the boss becomes a lot more fun and doable.
It's just a matter of time.

>>712743691
>You're still on about this
If you simply used your brain it should be immediately obvious that you can sprint passed the blood skulls.
Even the sawblades he throws. At least the first 3 can be avoided by sprinting.

>>712741856
Feels more of an honest fight here. At least I fill like I'm actually responding to the boss' actions instead of finding an exploit or trick.

>>712743683
It's literally not harder to stagger him in NG+, it only gets harder in the boss rematch.

>>712743753
>Mainly due to Soul's gameplay being so lackluster.
I don't see it. I hate spamming parry while the boss lashes out

>>712736140
I don't want to play as P, I wanna be Ali-I mean Dorothy.

just reached the part where the city is being burnt down, how far into the game am i?

>>712744270
Like, the hotel got attacked?
Probably about 75% ish

>>712744054
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/filename/God%20Miquella%20and%20Lord%20Radahn.jpg/
Take your irrelevant forgotten shit boss out of the thread about a good game, sped

>>712721895 (OP)
Is this just another one of those soulslike where all the dev time goes into it being a boss rush and the gameplay is just parryslop?

>>712744336
no it's just robots using flamethrowers outside

>watch the boss go on a combo for half a minute and then if you're lucky you might get to him him once or twice
>that's if he doesn't AHA you with an unavoidable AoA attack when it seemed his combo was over
>here comes another 30 second combo
Elden Ring did irreparable damage

>>712744674
Oh, then closer to just the halfway point

>>712739925
Khazan has like two actualy good bosses, stop coping.

>>712744270
>picrel
Who's this? A speedrun or a randomizer?

>>712744674
You're halfway through.
The game is longer than everyone initially thought.

>>712736140
I'd play a sequel if I can be a girl.

>>712744815
You can never be a girl, anon.

He's such a lovely puppet.

This might be my new favorite weapon of any soulsgame ever
Goddamn it feels meaty

>>712721895 (OP)
why are people so allergic to playing defence
its like newscrubs in fighting games pissed off they cant just press the attack buttons

>>712744701
>AHA
>AoA
Use proper English; what the fuck are you saying?

Anyway, there is no unavoidable attack in the game. How did you even get there without realizing that?

>>712744907
People seem to understimate the guard regain.
I'm shit at parrying and it carried be through so many bossfights.
Even if I fuck up a parry I can make sure that it's at least a block.

You'd rather block too early than too late in this game.

>>712744907
because playing defense is fundamentally boring and unfun

>>712744870
gunblade?

>>712745325
Same kind of logic that bans half the toolkit you are provided with because
>you used x? you did not beat the game

>>712745381
Yep
The charged r2 has insane reach and the follow-up is pure sexo

>>712721895 (OP)
This looks unbelievably anti-fun.

>>712744409
>No argument
Nobody of the offended SotE kneejerk reaction crowd ever proved convincingly Consort Radahn was not intended or foreshadowed and is rather a replacement
It's hilarious how you butthurt faggots are just the latest retards not to understand Miyazaki's lore when you spent 7 years chasing muh Dark Souls 3 cut content
A tranimeposter no less

>>712745325
playing defense is more active and engaging than rolling and waiting for the boss to give you an opening

>>712744625
Yeah pretty much. Souls-like game devs just jerk themselves off on how they want to impress a player with their bosses endless combos and flashy attacks. They don't even consider what it would feel like to actually fight the thing.

>>712744870
Gunblades are so fucking cool and I'm so glad the moveset is also really cool.

>>712745707
If you suck maybe

How fun is ng+?

>>712721895 (OP)
lol that webm is the textboox definition of artificial difficulty
>heh, just keep trying until you memorize this pattern to "git gud"

Khazan is the superior soulslike

>copies sekiro
>completely misses the point of the parry in that game
Im so sick of this shit, of games taking only the surface level gameplay without seeing the philosophy behind it. The point of parry in sekiro was so you can set the pace of the fight and you be the one constantly attacking, not fucking replacing blocking with parrying

>>712745998
Play
>>712745909

>>712745882
Gives you new P-Organ upgrades (on NG+ and NG++), new records to buy from shopkeepers, and a shitload of Ergo so that you can likely double your level by the end of NG0 to the end of NG+
It's pretty fun - has more replayability going for it than most FROM games
>>712745998
Blocking in LoP is still pretty useful - especially with the Aegis arm

>make a pile driver arm
>it's actually just for laying mines
???

>>712722434
>I hate that souls-like became synonymous with snappy combat and long combos you have to reactionally dodge or parry.
Lies of P still has spacing, rewards you for being aggressive and you can only get criticals if you land a fully charged R2, you aren't forced to stay like a cuck rolling in the dirt for 50 seconds like in lategame ER

>The world should also have an in universe explanation for why you character gets reborn and should react accordingly.
Lies of P has that but it's not explained until the end of the game

>Leves should be designed to not only be slogged through once. There should be a focus on making the world fun to traverse. If you have to fast travel everywhere, the world is too large to be interesting and the developers should be capable of designing the levels to be interconnected and looping back on themselves.
I agree the game is lineal as fuck but that's also an issue with ER, so much of the open world is fucking worthless dogshit, I forgive it in Lies of P because it's their first game but I do hope they add more gimmicks going forward

>>712744674
50% about.
I remember back when I beat the Archbishop on my first playthrough I thought the game was like ~60% done lmfao.

>>712744870
>very fast r1s given the damage they deal, running r1 in particular closes any gap with the enemy in less than a second
>first r1 into uncharged r2 is lighting fast and moves you back
>r1 r1 uncharged r2 is fast as fuck too but with a different animation that allows you to stay in close range
>charged r2 has an ENORMOUS range, making it one of the best weapons for triggering stance break
>blast dash is sick as fuck and can be chained into from the fable art, as well as a fatal attack
>god tier sound work, actually makes it feel impactful

>>712722434
autism: the post

Fighting a group of mob enemies will always be fundamentally more complex and challenging than fighting one boss enemy, no matter how much you turbocharge the latter. Challenge runners downright despise multi-enemy formations because they cannot be predicted or manipulated the same way a single target can, the idea of a challenge that can't be grinded to perfection is downright terrifying. People want to master static scenarios, not a complex system where scenarios do not repeat for the player's convenience.

>>712745690
Nobody expected Radahn to comeback until the DLC.

>>712722434
That's because souls-likes are kinda starting to blur the line with general character action games.

>>712746301
Both of the new legion arms are amazing at clearing out groups of enemies - to the point where they feel a bit OP

>>712745707
The player not having the ability to stand still and time the block button actually forces the developers to make interesting bosses that feel more unique to fight

>>712746318
Nobody expected a lot of things. Retards have been failing to understand the lore of Miyazaki games since forever
Consort Radahn is baltantly foreshadowed though

>>712746496
>Consort Radahn is baltantly foreshadowed though
How so?

>>712746058
Sounds fun enough to play. Thanks.

>>712746301
This, without a hint of irony, is why invasions are the real endgame of these kind of games

>>712746496
No it isn’t.

>>712741856
Every parry is building up towards a stun, so it's productive unlike rolling around in elden ring.

>>712746415
is that why promised consort is the worst fight from has ever made and sekiro is their best game by far?

>Radahn simp
>Is a redditor faggot that gets triggered by the Chinese porn cartoons
Elden Ring did irreparable damage to From's brand, and their fanbase is now full of screaming degenerate brownoids and retards that say shit like "AURA" unironically.

>>712746396
>it's a "bunch of mining puppets charging at you but you have a loaded Cataclysm" episode

>>712721895 (OP)
Took me 10+ tries to beat him with Lea's help. I can't even begin to imagine how to do it alone. Then again I'm turbo parrylet and scrub in general

>>712746723
It's most likely dragonirian, the same faggot who floods baldurs gate 3 threads. He's a soulstard originally.

>>712746562
Poison Mist
Helphen Steeple
Battle of Aeonia and the Heart of Aeonia
>>712746593
Yes it is. SotE was another Ringed City which was another Artorias of the Abyss. It's another unbearable circlejerk of retards that can't break down a game narrative without putting effort to piece elements and understand the mechanics of the setting so they would rather manifacture headcanons about muh cut content than actually watch the game

>>712721895 (OP)
Consort Radahn and Elden Ring has once again did irreparable damage to the games industry.

>>712746634
Sekiro combat is utter dogshit and stale

>>712746396
Obviously there cannot be any challenge if the player is given a mob nuke and the enemies have no defenses, but it's nothing more than a flashy debug command to skip more interesting gameplay. A solo boss would be equally unimpressive if it died in one hit.

>>712746571
True, but invasions in Elden Ring are a poorly executed afterthought just like all the other legacy features.

>>712743184
It's not from DS2, they reused moves from DS3 (from Pontiff specifically).

Sorry but I will never play a "soulslike" game where you're forced to play as some faggy boy.

>>712747086
must suck being yourself everyday then

>>712746571
they even killed that on PC, it's laggy as fuck and the only people you can invide now are faggots using mods to coop lmao

>>712746875
Oh hey it's the Radahnshizo.

>>712746996
>stale
How so?

>>712747083
Nah, he also has a bunch of Vengarl moves.
https://youtu.be/G_-SQvuRWcI

This just looks exhaustingly difficult. Pass.

>>712746634
There's nothing that makes Sekiro anywhere near the best From game or best action game when Elden Ring or even Dark Souls 3 and Bloodborne exist. Just a look at Prosthetics is enough to tell. They are all exclusively counters or reactions with little effect on the flow of combat or playstyle. Wheter or not I use loaded axe on Seven Spears after it stumbles or Spear against phase 2 Guardian Ape is irrelevant. You are trading emblems for larger damage opportunities. There's a terrible lack of mechanical depth and variance brough by the Ashes of War or Trick weapon systems or by other various attack types able to actually affect the opponent in different ways while also being bolstered by a gear/gem system

>>712747207
No he doesn't. That's completely false. They are not the same animations

Objective soulslike tier list btw. Fromtroons may proceed to rope.

>>712747429
Maximum overcope

>>712747348
Most ashes of war are just normal actions with enhanced attributes. A stronger attack, a better dodge etc. They shouldn't exist in the first place.

>>712747207
Do you realize the animations are nothing alike? Do you think they have the same animations because they swing dual swords?
>>712747601
Retard

>>712721895 (OP)
the iframe slop genre has hit it's exhaustion point, it can't become any more stupid. unfortunately that doesn't mean it won't be made over and over again.

>>712747198
>How so?
Look at the top OP webm

>>712747664
>Do you think they have the same animations because they swing dual swords in literally the same way?
Yes

>>712747940
They don't swing the sword in any way similar, the position where they move, how they move, the poses of the characters is completely different. You and every retard that parroted this are brain damaged cretins

>>712747812
I still don't get your point. Stale implies Sekiro's combat was extremely prevalent at the time of its release, so it was stale. If anything it was the opposite; Sekiro being released caused a bunch of other Soulslikes to adopt deflect mechanics.

>>712748058
You really defending the boss that literally steals an entire move from Pontiff? Lmao, Fromdrones do be something all right.

>>712747189
He is 100% correct though

>>712748058
Maximum overcope

holy fucking shit THANK YOU BRO

>>712748137
What has that to do with the fact that he uses Vengarl moves a lie, subhuman nigger?
>Defending
I'm not "defending" anything
You retards are spreading a lie and are being called out on that

>>712748330
But he is, they're just slightly altered. Pretty obvious in that video.

>>712727475
thank god romeo scythe R2's go through walls/obstacles

Pontiff himself is a rehash of Fume Knight, just the second phase is different.

>>712748330
Those literally are the same attacks

>>712748106
It's stale because every boss is the same and the game has no way to expand
And yes, deflections are overused to the point every game that has it is just a bunch of rhythm check. How is that fun and not stale? Who wants that shit
Buttblasted retards seething at Elden Ring this much because they have to move and use openings really shows how it's shitters that are

Elden Ring and especially Nightreign actually made a great counter system where you have to actively committ to attacks by reading the opponent and not a flash sfx, while also putting the player stamina on the line, and would you look at that, it filters retards that think Guardian is le bad

>>712748562
>But he is,
No he's not
>they're just slightly altered
Nope, they are completely different and clearly not the same animations. You are just a complete retard spreading lies

>>712749050
The X slash is blatantly the same you coping pajeet.

>>712748836
Nope
>>712749146
No. They are not, retard.
The animations start in a different way and end in a different pose while moving differently
They are two enemies with 2 swords

>it's "webm schizo has a mindbreak in an arpg thread" episode
God damn you're the funniest shit i've seen on this site

>it's a /v/tard calls anyone he has no retort again schizo
You forgot your tranime reaction pic

>>712723217
This is how I did it, once you take the time to learn the timing it's really not that bad.
Run > dodge back > 1,2,3 > 1..2spam> parry red> parry spin> dodge in. Very satisfying and 100% consistent after practice.

>>712741346
>players' controller is extremely idle and barely doing anything in response
You're parrying or dodging, all parries are progressing the boss towards being stunned and fatal attacked.

>>712741856
Malenia and Consort Radahn are filled with bullshit that is nowhere near this. And like I and another anon said every parry is leading to a stun whereas with those ER bosses you just roll until it's your turn. Waterfowl Dance is also the single most bullshit attack put in any of these 'soulslike' games evidenced by the fact there are so many videos on how to dodge it and videos of people with mods to show hit/hurtboxes of that attack.

>>712748150
He's already been btfo in multiple threads so I don't think so.

>>712744784
is a speedrunner (or former sekiro speedrunner thats what i know him from) playing a randomizer

>thread has now devolved into bitching 24/7 about fromsoft games
so uh.. lies of p?

>>712749584
Nah, he's 100% correct though
When I asked at SOTE release why the Battle of Aeonia had happened according to them or about Radahn tasking Jerren with the festival nobody could give an actual explanation.
It also helps seeing how to become powerful like Rykard or Marika you have to essentially sacrifice a bunch of people all around you.

>>712723217
>start of the fight is literally the same exact 2 moves as radahn's start that you have to wait 20 seconds for before you can actually fight
wow, so creative and fun

>>712749581
>Not spamming attacks so you can run away or sideways and jump from attacks BAD
>Rote memorization bullshit so you get to press block like a drone GOOD
Or you could throw a frost pot or block it

>>712749913
>When I asked at SOTE release why the Battle of Aeonia had happened according to them
There was a shitload of valid theories including "she needed him to stop holding the stars back so she could get to mohg's mausoleum"
This ridiculously dumb, contrived incest shit was NEVER ever mentioned by anyone because it insults player intelligence

>>712749374
Someone being called schizo (by channers) for making sound arguments and playing well is a badge of honor

>>712747461
Swap DaS1 and DaS3.

>>712750056
Dodging in souls games is also rote memorization kek, that's the point of these games and bosses. You download their moveset and find openings, it's just parrying progresses the fight whereas dodging maintains status quo.

>Or you could throw a frost pot or block it
I'm not a throwable type of person, and yeah just block with 100% reduction but she still lifesteals anyway because?

>>712724404
>>712721895 (OP)
Asmon tier post

battle of midwits

>>712745998
you know what, you are right

>>712723072
why does that halberd have a csgo knife skin on it

>>712750130
>There was a shitload of valid theories including "she needed him to stop holding the stars back so she could get to mohg's mausoleum"
Except killing Radahn doesn't open access to Mohgwyn Palace
There was no theory
>This ridiculously dumb, contrived incest shit was NEVER ever mentioned by anyone because it insults player intelligence
I disagree, it's pretty clear that Caria and Castle Sol are allies, and Shadow Realm being Helphen and aenir-Ilim explains why Miquella needs the battle and Radahn needs the festival and doesn't receive the Blaphemous Claw from Ranni
They are also two characters that are blatantly allied with albinaurics and misbegotten

>>712748840
people who hate guardian are the same as faggot longsword users who hate lance

lance is fucking great
and guardian is fuckin great

>>712750372
>Dodging in souls games is also rote memorization kek
No, it isn't
>I'm not a throwable type of person
No, you are a Guts retard who can't play for shit, I can tell

>noooooo you see the DLC lore rape was totally foretold in the base game despite even lore experts and every ER thread on /vg/ being confused/disappointed about Radahn returning!!!111!
K fag, go take your meds. This is a Lies of P thread.

>>712722145
I see what you mean but when are they adding parrying

>>712750894
>No argument
Lol
>even lore experts and every ER thread on /vg/ being confused/disappointed
Nigga Dark Souls 3 has been deemed as retconned because retards never understood the story so they made up an alternative one.
I don't think you, /vg/ and "lore experts" are any authority on actual game lore

>>712723217
Maybe its fun for some but to me that shit looks really gay.

>>712738795
At least dodging and parry are gameplay, which is more than can be said about Diablo and all of the other soulless diablo clones.

rosaura........:((

>>712749581
Shields fuck both Radahn and Malenia and out-damaging her chip heal is easy.

>>712749913
Why would Malenia and Radahn need a reason to fight during a giant national civil war?
Both fought other demigods at least once. Radahn besieged Leyndell and was driven back by Morgott, Malenia fought Godrick and crushed him. There were a lot of other now unknown demigods in the past that were defeated or killed too.

>greatsword made out of pinwheels that spin up and do more damage if you sprint around a little bit before attacking
soulful and kinoesque

>>712752772
Radahn wanted to become Lord but was not fated to be yet
Malenia was attacked by Godrick on her way to Caelid

>>712752885
Yep

>>712729710
>>712732462
Okay.
I've made it to that underground laboratory now.
Death Talons are fun.

>>712752885
It also spins by using the grinder

>>712723072
Game?

>P reverse gangbanged by 2B, Bayonetta, and Eve

>>712749581
>You're parrying or dodging,
youre pressing like 1 button in isolation to invalidate most of their moveset, its comedically stale
at least sekiro does it somewhat better with agression and more interesting enemies

>>712755018
Why talk when you clearly never played?

>>712740632

Complaining about parries in this game is kinda irrelevant because it's very accomodating to players who don't want to engage with that mechanic at all.

Dodging, Running and positioning is all viable because enemies don't always have insane tracking or rollerskates to abuse.

>>712721895 (OP)
ArleKINO is such a fucking good boss
Hard as fuck, bot doesnt do anything (other than the grab because grabs in this game are retarded) that you go "holy shit that is bullshit"

New game time, I need the most broken build possible..pls help

>>712724326
The only "hard" (badly made) part about Nameless King was the fuckass bird
Why from keeps making dragons and dogshit they have shown time and time again they dont know how to do is still a mistery

>>712724178
Lies of P and Khazan are awesome games
Elden Shit is absolute fucking dogshit
Kill self

This game's trolling me.

>>712757030
Lies of P and Khazan are boss rush slops.
Elden Ring is an adventure game. Know the difference it may save your life.

Arlecchino lives rent free in my head, I even had a dream with him.

>>712753135
Damn he looks hot

What's this expression trying to convey?

>>712755018
It's nearly identical to Sekiro except the parry frames are less and you can guard/block as a mechanic. Biggest differences are jump/mikiri counter are not present and Sekiro has specific attacks where if perfect deflected instantly transition you into being the aggressor whereas in P you build up stun through perfect guarding and when this is reached the enemy will stagger backwards, further building this invisible meter will allow for a charged R2 into fatal attack. The actual parry gameplay is very similar.

>>712757206
ER is quantity over quality, only 9 unique bosses in the main game. Open world and horse ruined any sense of danger. Dark Souls 1 is still the best game hackizaki has made.

>>712756504
Lea's sword quality build. Fable arts are ridiculous.

>>712724326
I really think playing ER ruins subsequent playthroughs of the older games to a extent
Shit just feels so trivial in comparison

>>712756504
Go quality build and use Azure Glaive until you beat the DLC then use Monad Rose Sword.

>>712757206
Kill self

>>712755584
i have
>>712757825
except enemies barely react to your attacks, enemies barely clash with you in comparison, and you rarely ever have a more interesting gimmick fight like guardian ape, demon of hatred, etc

its technically similar on a surface level but much blander in practice, same for something like nine sols. This parry shit is honestly just round 2 of everyone copying souls and putting iframe dodging + estus into their games

>>712738284
Nameless King is one of the slower bosses and ER isn't exactly moving at lighting speed either. The big difference between DS3 and ER is that the animations are actually smooth and consistent all the way through, instead of constantly going in and out of slow motion.

>>712758592
>barely react to your attacks,
your attacks and deflects*

>make a character called arlecchino
>it's a "blood artist"
>he doesn't even wear a silly multicolored outfit
what's wrong with gooks

Fuck this nigga

>>712722778
Personally i parry the projectile, dodge the plunge then run away for most of the combos then parry the two final hit and iframe through the exploding ground(can't parry it).

>>712748840
>>712750718
The only people who think Guardian is bad are people who don't understand how his passive works. It's utterly broken.

>>712721895 (OP)
>soulslop
>evolve
lmao.

I think people focus too much on the end result rather than the Journey or rather the experience of the fight itself.
One of the things i like about sekiro is that if you miss a perfect block you will still stand in there, will take some damage and extra posture gauge.
Learning the boss is a more engaging because it letts you makes a few mistakes and still disengage and leanr the fight without feeling the need to wait for the enemy to finish attacking, because even if you arent perfect in your parry you cant stand your ground and run back easily after. Modern fromsoft and copies alike arent like that. Disengagin barely exist and failing a parry or blocking will end up in a harder punishment than sekiro. The enemies posture bar also play an important part mentaly. A falta blow in lies of p. A fatal blow in sekiro meant moving onto the next stage of the boss which felt more rewarding.

>>712758592
I'm not disagreeing that parryslop is the new fad a la iframe dodging and estus. But I have described how they react and I've described how they react in Sekiro, if you don't enjoy it then fair enough but it isn't low effort and it isn't slop like other stuff is atm. It's not just ripping off Sekiro, it's a different type of combat and a different game.

I have never seen anyone defend Guardian Ape or Demon of Hatred. I think Sekiro would be a better game with both of those bosses removed, expanding on that most Fromsoftware games have a lot of bosses I despise, tons of unfun bullshit designed to annoy and frustrate. Every single boss in LoP to me is pleasant and unannoying. It cuts out all the bullshit you would find in one of their games and just gives you bosses to play against.

>>712757507
His top hat is actually Vegnigni hat sized up. Just had to tell someone

>>712758592
You are mentally challenged, Elden Shit is literally a game designed for you
Absolute slop for disabled fucking retards

>>712759310
??? Whats wrong with guardian ape and DoH?

>>712759248
You haven't played the game

Just beat the anguished guardian, is that falcon guy described in the gunblade the guardian himself or just another stalker who died fighting him?

>>712759310

I love Guardian Ape, I don't know what you're smoking.

Bosses like the Bull, Ape and Demon of Hatred that force you to rely on your mobility were super fun to me.

>>712759310
Those bosses add variety.
Nothing wrong with them


The headless are another story.

>>712759310
Guardian Ape is the best boss. DoH is doodoo water though.

>>712759310
>I have never seen anyone defend Guardian Ape or Demon of Hatred
yeah you are probably constantly surrounded with retards that hate anything being beyond press 1 button when the enemy attacks
sekiro has overall a perfect blend of normal human bosses and gimmick bosses, it only goes overboard in the early game
>>712759481
i was defending sekiro and not elden ring
im sorry that you think pressing l1 on every enemy attack is automatically the peak of gameplay and somehow so deep

>>712759551
>>712759723
>>712759818
watch them sperg out about how theyre "souls bosses in a sekiro game" because theyre too low iq to enjoy anything that cant be dumbed down to 2 buttons, which unironically implies they probably cant appreciate the full extent of isshin/geni in the first place

>>712759551
some wont be happy until anything unique is removed and everything is homogenized into the same boring duel

>>712744054
>It's also the only reasonable explanation to the Battle of Aeonia itself.
Lying faggot kill yotuself. There was a perfectly good explanation with Radahn's conquest of the stars preventing the eclipse from happening and Miquella needing it for whatever ritual he was doing at Castle Sol.

>>712759481
actually moronic 0iq assbreathing post
>You like these two different styles of fights that still involve the main mechanics instead of everything being a generic duel boss?? You must prefer the game that homogenizes almost everything!!

>>712726827
>LMSH
god, the redditors flooding the rest of the internet shilling that cunt made me hate him, they got to the point of selling merch of him, ER's popularity really attracted the most annoying scum

>>712721895 (OP)
What I dislike about this the most is that it pretty much invalidates any sort of health upgrade.

>>712759972
>them
him*
>they
he*

>>712760197
theres literally two niggas there

>>712722434
this is why ds1 is king. great world, great exploration, great bosses, great enemies, not too hard but not too easy. even elden ring dlc wasnt as bad as lies of p is with not giving u any time to counter attack. i bought the dlc cause i wanted to give it a try and refunded after 2 hours. not interested in games that dont allow u to attack back except once in a blue moon.

>>712721895 (OP)
if I heard correctly, this sekiro fag was a big combat consultant in lies of p and kazan or osmething

>>712721895 (OP)
Imagine paying $40 for this and it also being 10 hours long
did they run out of budget for the next game?

>>712760280
Explains why Lies of Peak shits all over Fromslop then.

>>712734447
Yeah souls combat is the opposite of snappy, it's the sloppiest fucking combat in games

>>712739918
You still have a long way to go. The last area is the longest in the game and has 3 (hard) bosses still waiting for you.

>>712760332
people pay 60usd for DMC5 for just 10hours of potential story content

>>712759972
>watch them sperg out about how theyre "souls bosses in a sekiro game" because theyre too low iq to enjoy anything that cant be dumbed down to 2 buttons, which unironically implies they probably cant appreciate the full extent of isshin/geni in the first place
this, someone modded malenia in sekiro and she was pretty much trivialized and or awkward, plus there was never ANY evidence that her moves were meant to be tomoe's or that there was ever a tomoe dlc in the works

>>712746364
Yeah IDK why people even call them soulslikes at this point. They're just action games. A soulslike is pretty explicitly an action game with DE-emphasized combat. 90% of the game is supposed to be about getting from one place to another, not about learning to parry some 20 hit string. Souls is closer to Death Stranding than to DMC.

>>712760414
Retards. I always use Hollow Knight as my reference scale. Paid $16 for it and got hundreds of hours.

>>712760280
it was only khazan

>>712760491
>90% of the game is supposed to be about getting from one place to another
Anon, there's absolutely nothing interesting about traversal in Souls games and only a couple of areas in each game even have any notable environmental hazards. The combat is still the meat of this games despite being extremely basic and simple.

>>712760280
He was one of the gameplay testers in Khazan I'm pretty sure

imagine all the games that could have turned out way better if they werent trying to rip off dark souls for the combat, like pic related
i have nothing against souls but i have everything against people just making blander copies of it ad infinitum

>>712759461
Yeah his whole outfit is in the same style as Venigni's. It's interesting.

>>712760539
>hubdreds of hours for a generic and derivative indie that lasts 50 hours
i bet you make wojak faces whenever silksong gets announced for the billionth time

>>712760461
that i cant entirely agree: malenia was definitely altered for elden ring but i find it very hard to believe she isnt a repurposed version of tomoe
not only she has the robotic arm and a lot of stuff that is much more similar to sekiro, she also had far of the necessary stuff for making a souls boss function perfectly in sekiro already set-up
that doesnt necessarily mean there was a tomoe dlc ever in the works, but they definitely had the thought about it and featuring tomoe because who wouldnt, and it makes sense that they would come up with some basic prototypes or ideas for the character design here and there

>>712760491
Because Sekiro was made by From and so it gets called a Soulslike, even though the reason people liked Sekiro was that it was less like souls and more like a classical action game.

>>712760717
Gooks lack the soul and intelligence to pull a non shameless copy cat.

>>712760749
Fuck Silksong and fuck Hornet and her stick body. She needs tits and ass.

>>712760785
i'd love to see your evidence, that reddit tier theory is based on the fact that scrubs could not deal with her moves

>>712760539
>Why aren't all video games hundreds of hours long and cost 15 dollars
If only you had the tiniest bit of self awareness to realize how retarded you sound. Also, Hollow Knight is like 50 hours max unless you're just failing at the pantheons a million times.

>>712757098
I cheesed that cunt hard. Fucker gives barely any openings and then also randomly dodges just for an extra fuck you

>>712760365
It's better than the alternative

>>712760984
Plenty of other games in that price range wouldn't draw me in for that many replays or even a single completion. HK is just that good.

>>712744674
that's like 35% of the game dude.

>>712760678
No, traversal is still the meat of the games despite being extremely basic and simple.

>>712744861
why does a puppet need nipples?

>>712761062
It's way better than Fromslop or its chink/gook clones.

>>712761062
Arkham has extremely underrated combat

>>712761062
nta but i never understood the appeal of those batman games, you need to get a long combo just to use your cool moves

>>712759551
>>712759723
I just hate fighting them, Blazing Bull and
>>712759818
Headless Included.
>>712759972
I won't sperg out, I simply dislike them, they're not fun for me, and are frustrating more than they aren't. desu for a lot of bosses in Sekiro and ER I didn't feel joy from winning just relief that it was over. Don't really understand why, I've fought harder bosses and grinded stuff for longer I just find a lot of movesets in these 2 games infuriating.

>>712759979
I like uniqueness and agree with what your image is trying to say, DaS1 is my favourite. I just think those bosses I mentioned play like ass.

I wish any future creator/dev attempting to copy soulsslop formula to drop dead at this point.

>>712760902
i dont know why youre associating it with people whining about her attacks
its just because her aesthetic looks like tomoe, and the way she is set up makes her way easier to modify into a sekiro boss than nearly any other elden ring human/duel boss, nothing else

>>712761452
post scriptum
> the way she is set up makes
im not talking about "oh her moves are closer to sekiro" or anything, i mean like the actual way her moves and actions are scripted

>>712761062
It would have spared us of more slop since it takes more effort to make bamham than souls.

>>712761452
because every faggot who complained about her moves was like "it's clearly a recycled sekiro boss" i wouldn't be dying in the first 20 seconds if i had sekiro blocks"

>>712761452

Malenia having multiple Mikiri Counter thrust attack opportunities, sometimes as finishers to a long combo, is the obvious giveaway.

>>712761361
Arkham combat is basically a rhythm game. That isn’t a dig against it. It’s fun, but some people rag on it because it’s not some iron man mode shit when it’s never claimed to be that

>>712761629
considering i just shat on people for calling DoH/ape a sekiro boss, you should know im not coming from that point of view
malenia is a mostly standard boss in terms of level of challenge in pretty much her whole moveset, its exclusively the retarded waterfowl carrying her offense until you get past the trial and error

>>712761830
>mostly standard boss in terms of level of challenge
she's piss easy outside of waterfowl

>>712761245
It's not though
>>712761331
*Extremely easy combat for retards

>>712761830
well how would i know it was you

>>712761204
Humans have nipples. What does P want to be?

>>712762073
the exact same form of esl ass typing

>>712758784
He's basically pic related, the life just kept dicking him until he said "no more" and became a monster.

>>712761062
>>712762053
Arkham games might be easy but the combat is FUN, plenty of parts of soulslikes don't have this.

>>712722434
fpbp

>>712721895 (OP)
Don't compare Arlecchino with Consord Radahn. I didn't fight him post-nerf but Radahn was awful.

I'm stuck on fucking Lumacchio

>>712763394
you mean a power fantasy where you just rise above the rest like a GRIM DARK REAPER who mows the BAD GUY GRASS
sorry, I prefer my fights to actually have teeth, and not be strung up helpless baby punching bags.

>That one elite mob with a huge iron ball in the prison level

I'm really not having fun with the DLC and I'm really disappointed since I loved the base game

These threads are really comfy. I hope the influx of new players keep them alive for a little longer.

>>712749919
>start of the fight is literally the same exact 2 moves as radahn's start
idr Radahn starting his fight by floating and launching weird bloody skulls at you.

>>712764902
Yup, they feel fun and you feel strong. Similar to DMC where you have a wealth of options available to you but the game itself isn't that difficult. I enjoy both of those games and soulslikes, however souls games can get tedious and annoying really quick at times and I don't have ego about how difficult the game I play is, it's pathetic.

>>712732929
Who really got the brunt of the nerfs was the unfortunate gate keeper. The poor guy doesn't even seem to be fighting back, but rather puts his leg with throbbing pimples under the blows. Shit, I really feel sorry for this fat guy, he gave a shit on release when some people couldn't figure out what to do.

>>712765391
maybe they could've made the weakpoint glow harder and explode more?
and the critical attack spot also be a glowing giant pimple in his brain

>>712765391
modern gamers are playing games with their eyes closed, did this guy first try and was so confused when i saw people cry about a door guardian thought i missed a boss

>>712765884
no they need to hate and kill each other

>>712747461
>no surge
>no lords of the fallen
>no wo long
>no code vein

>>712747461
Where's all the other games?

>>712722967
Every ER boss is Zanzishart the God of Oblivion for some reason, no variety just pompous and epic every time.

>>712760084
>LMSH
Nah he's based

>>712760084
it's the first time normies touched a decent game cut them some slack

hope dorothy game continues with the sad version remixes of djmax songs

>>712767002
>songs
Wasn't it just Feel?

>>712767076
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsMn9TBWKNU
lol, all the collectible songs are from djmax
the dlc ones too

>>712767002
>female protag
It's over for P bros

>>712759310
> I have never seen anyone defend Demon of Hatred.
Filtered. But DoH was too tanky for it’s own good, felt boring iirc
>Guardian Ape
??? This boss was great. Not even especially hard either. At least bring up the Ape duo, that sucked

>>712767168
What the fuck, I had no idea. Why is that?

>>712767379
neowiz being based, it's impressive how they translated the songs really well

>>712767168
>The left is the hotel hag
>the middle guy is young Ghepetto
>the right one is young Simon?
am I correct?

>>712767630
the left one is Lea, the middle guy is Romeo, the right guys is Carlo.

>>712767630
Do you have 1 hour in the game?

>>712767379

>>712765391
Devs need to learn that they shouldn't cave to every demand made by retarded complainers. It's okay to frustrate people a bit. Door guardian wasn't even that hard of a fight

>>712767002
Nightmare made me laugh when the record popped up, it has a totally different context if you know it from DJMax.

How did you guys think Parrot killed Alidoro?

>>712768479
Stabbed him in the back while he was vulnerable and/or exhausted

>>712768579
I thought the same thing despite Lea saying he wasn't quick to trust people. Maybe the Parrot was a charismatic guy.

>>712767630
Bro...
God you're so fucking stupid.

>>712721895 (OP)
Oh, looks like I might have to learn to parry to fight this boss

why did it take so long for Lea to recognize P as Carlo

>>712769081
sure they might have human puppets and zombies but they didn't have resurrection

>>712769081
The possible long grey hair, the possible mask, the possible blood all over his face, maybe the sickness was fucking up her vision.

>>712769258
>hiding your beautiful twink face behind a mask
can't believe i share this board with such subhumans

>>712769518
hey, not all of us are thirsty homos

Geppetto didn’t kill Lea, she was already at death’s door from petrification. Convince me otherwise.

>>712771143
It was a mercy kill. Lea was already basically dead and Romeo was basically dead too. In a way he saved them both.

>>712771232
you call making romeo a puppet "saving"?

>>712771143
They did that scene in a very safe way, they can choose Lea to be a boss in the next game or just kill her off with 0 problems

>>712771289
The alternative is death so yes.

>>712771143
>>712771232
Fuck you, Geppetto.

>>712770828
is it possible to achieve this look irl?

>>712722145
I'm too late to reply, but I'm going to call you a retard anyway.

>>712757206
Elden Ring's "adventure" consists of an empty world 8x too big filled with repeated, uninspired bosses, and duo boss garbage.

>>712772049
>uninspired bosses
Just admit that Elden Ring broke you.

>>712768927
Wasn't it said they were partners? Plus even the wanted posters note he is very sneaky

>>712721895 (OP)
>Another Soulslike that doesn't measure up to Lords of the Fallen

It's the only one that smartly copied the speed of Best Souls 2

>>712722953
I think the actual moveset is harder against Arlecchino, DLC Radahn actually makes my FPS drop from 60 to like 40s when it came out. LoP is over 100 FPS constantly. Half the fight is dealing with the light show of frame drops and I guess depending on the build you could just fingerprint/bleed him.

>>712773182
>360 degree snap tracking
Lmao Neowiz would never. From is now obsessed with making hard bosses instead of good ones.

>>712740707
>>712741296
>You can't run away from the projectiles
>O-Okay you actually can but I personally am bad and can't and that makes me seethe

KWAB

>>712773369
which Lords of the Fallen should I play? Lords of the Fallen or Lords of the Fallen?

>>712774269
Try lords of the fallen

>>712743378
every souls game was like this to an extent (including BB) pre-DS3

>>712774570
do I need to play Lords of the Fallen to understand Lords of the Fallen?

>>712774689
>>712774689
>>712774689

>>712721895 (OP)
Boss was absolute kino but it was too easy with lea, which you absolutely should have with you. Wish there was a third phase unironically or his second phase had more moves and more health.

>>712721895 (OP)
Less is more, this is why ever 'souls-like' after ds1 is shit. All you fags think the game is too easy if the boss doesn't have a 5 minute attack phase animation, it's so boring.

>>712723046
The player character is not Carlo and you're outright lying about the second part, at best there are maybe 5 bosses in the entire game that have a second opening line of dialogue that they can use after the first time and that's it.

>>712750575
>he thinks gaben created damascus.
Anon, I...