>Shadowbringers was six years ago...

How do you think Squares C suite feels knowing they peaked and the FF brand can only decline after that?

>>712811870 (OP)
>this is our most popular game
>let's put less and less resources into it every year
>players get fed up after a decade and leave
Frankly it's surprising it lasted that long. I'm just glad my sub could fund development of Flopspoken

>>712812970
Look man FF7's 145th piece of media regurgitation and nomuras desperate drive to remake versus 13 as kingdom hearts 4 need funding from somewhere.

You will buy the loporrit moon mount on the mogstation and like it.

>>712811870 (OP)
Honestly Shadowbringers kinda blew.
>Hey we know you're literally in the middle of a full scale war and there's tons of countries between Eorzea and Garlemald we could develop and utilize while also bringing Ascians to the forefront naturally
>But what if instead we shoved you onto another planet where all the zones are half-baked, there's only one properly established villain native to it (btw he's just a mid-boss) and everything that's going on back home is just casually wrapped up off-screen
>Don't worry we made the villain a snarky sarcastic asshat who just spouts exposition while he pretends he's totally not going to betray you up until he does, then he acts all sad because you want to stop him from commiting omnicide
>Oh and btw the Alliance Raid is actually a crossover this time (Hope you played the Nier games lmao) and the normal Raid sucks ass because we brought Nomura in to work on it and he made it about a shitty genderbent Squall. Enjoy fighting the Primals again, but brain damaged.

>>712813734
>Enjoy fighting the Primals again, but brain damaged
i did.

>>712813734
Eden Titan was the best and anyone who disagrees is a dotard who got btfo by his quad bike.

>>712813734
Shadowbringers being a self contained story is WHY it was so good.
The other expansions rely too heavily on memberberries and the emotional scenes don't really hit when they're paying off shit that you might have seen like 5 years earlier and no longer have any investment towards looking at you, Urianger in Endwalker
Shadowbringers' isekai premise allows literally everything to be properly established in a timely manner for the pay offs the story's trying to achieve, and you spend way less time bogged down by the lore and worldbuilding when all of it is in service of the immediate plot and themes like it would be in a real game.

>>712811870 (OP)
why did they design such a goofy character with a big ass forehead wart?

>>712814290
Titan's lame. It's the FF8 raid, it should have been Brothers.

>>712814517
>Bakool Ja Ja but worse

Yeah i said it, wannafidabouddit?

>>712811870 (OP)
>had to steal from RotZ and CoP to peak
Sad

>>712814591
god i miss him.

>>712813734
it was very obvious you were gonna fight Emet, he even says mid expansion that he's not on our side

>>712811870 (OP)
It's not even the best Final Fantasy game about a lunatic wanting to destroy a world he perceives as lesser in order to restore his own.

>>712814839
Anon that's my point. Emet was a dogshit villain who literally everyone should have been able to figure out by the end of the first scene he shows up in. Even by the end he's genuinely less sympathetic of a character than Nidhogg, because at least Nidhogg 's anger was focused and justified.
>>712814437
>Shadowbringers' isekai premise allows literally everything to be properly established in a timely manner for the pay offs the story's trying to achieve, and you spend way less time bogged down by the lore and worldbuilding when all of it is in service of the immediate plot and themes like it would be in a real game.
Yeah man it's really great when instead of using the benefit of the MMO style to make the story long-lasting and impactful they instead just dump it all out in favor of a completelt separate planet where rhey have to speedrun the lore and build-up because none of it is connected at all to anything going on in the rest of the game except for the last 5% of the expansion.

>>712812970
FPBP. Comical levels of mismanagement and arrogance.

>>712814631
Don't forget G'raha being a Lady Lilith expy.

>>712815183
Yes that is actually better.
A story that is able to stand on its own merits is always gonna be better than canonslop.
>DUDE PLEAAAASE CARE ABOUT THIS CHARACTER THAT DIED NEARLY A DECADE AGO
No shut up, either put in the work to make me care within this story or don't bother at all.

>>712815183
The whole point of Emet was that he was burned out. He travels with you because even though he sees the sundered as half lives, inferior to those he lost, he also contradicts himself by hoping enough rejoinings have gone on that you are close enough to Azem. Because that means he can stop.

Remember the time he actually loses his shit and drops the act his line of thinking is "if the final days come again would half your kind sacrifice themselves to save the other?".

Elidibus was the one obsessed with the rejoining. He literally couldn't not be due to being a primal now. Emet was consumed by the fact they never figured out what it was and how to stop it if it happened again. But maybe azem could and if you are azem he can finally stop after 10,000 years of this bullshit.

He isn't right. Hes going wrong things. But his motivation isn't evil, its desperation and resignation. Thats why he works so well.

>>712815404
Hey anon wanna hear a joke?
"Lightwardens"

>>712812970

It isn't just that. Yoshida is clearly very done with the game in his own mind. Finishing Maehiro's scenario was the only thing he cared about and it finished with Endwalker. And now all of his friends off getting cancer and dying off one by one around him, even Soken got cancer thanks to all the gratuitous smoking he did for two decades.

>>712815558
I think hes just a wowdrone mmobuck and square promoted him above his station and have put him in charge of a bunch of none mmo stuff he couldnt give a single real fuck about.

>>712815504
What's the joke here exactly?

>>712812970
>I'm just glad my sub could fund development of Flopspoken

>>712815089

>game has a good story because a morally dubious line is spoken once

At least we can agree that anything to do with Ivalice is peak FF.

>>712815632

Absolutely. There is a very real competency issue with Yoshida and whilst he seems very sincere and earnest at doing what he thinks people will like in his games, he is very clearly punching above his own weight class in terms of raw talent and it genuinely shows in the likes of XIV through the years.

>>712815475
Anon Emet's mediocre because from the outset tou know he's not only an Ascian, he's specifically the Ascian who made Garlenald and endorsed dropping a moon on Eorzea. That immediately disqualifies any sort of sympathy he could have. Then on top of THAT he reveals that Zodiark is a Primal, and that the Ascians are tempered as well. That FURTHER solidifies the "We have to fucking kill this guy" nature of the conflict.
And instead of being an actual antagonist he just shows up every now and then to spout quips and exposition.
Like imagine if fucking Nidhogg showed up every 20 minutes in Heavensward to go "HMM YES THIS IS WHERE RATATOSKR AND I USED TO FROLICK IN THE SNOW TOGETHER BEFORE THOSE BASTARD ISHGARDIANS KILLED HER. GRRR I'M SO MAD AT THEM."

I still think Illberd is the best villain in FFXIV.

>>712815826
>it was me
literally wrestling writing.

>>712815809
nta but you sound mad because you are too busy seething over garlemald

>>712816098
And?

>>712815680
The Lightwardens are supposed to be a giant colossal threat that's keeping the First from healing while being unkillable eldritch horrors, and of them;
>Three are random dungeon bosses with no lore or build up
>One is a Trial boss who gets immediately forgotten about, and the zone itself gives more focus to Ryne and Ardbert
>One is Vauthry, who actually manages to fit the bill until he gets undermined that ACTUALLY IT WAS ALL EMET'S PLAN ALL ALONG, TEEHEE
G'raha even points out that nobody can kill Lightwardens without getting subsumed by them, but that's literally never brought up again because the only person who's ever shown to fight them is (You).

>>712815826
I miss the good old "Fall from Grace" troupe... Alphinaud was taught a great lesson that day

>>712816187
why would it be brought up again?
they know they can't kill them so obviously they are not gonna try.

>>712816126
Garlemald isn't even the fucking point. You could have easily had the expansion after SB showing Garlemald getting ripped apart and repurposed by the Ascians in real time with Emet still being the villain.
Most of ShB literally doesn't matter.

>>712816098
thats correct.

>>712816098
Fuck yeah!

>>712816318
>from the outset tou know he's not only an Ascian, he's specifically the Ascian who made Garlenald and endorsed dropping a moon on Eorzea.
>That immediately disqualifies any sort of sympathy he could have.
certainly sounds like its the point, because you based everything off of seething over this
why was he supposed to care about the subhuman abominations born of the leftover fragments of his people?

>>712816187
The whole goddamn point is the warrior of LIGHT absorbs them because anyone else kills them they just turn into one. Thats literally the same as one of the worst chaos bad guys in warhammer 40k. Its only different because its us. We are doing something nobody could do but many tried. Which means every lightwarden we see even the floating fucking disc and wings was a person that took down a lightwarden and turned into a fuckin' coccoon to birth this shit.

>>712816187
The Lightwardens are just a means to an end.
They're the big bad bookend to each chapter of the expansion that show you the progress you've been making while allowing for the characters to go on this adventure relatively unimpeded.
It's a classic JRPG trope - there's a bunch of bosses scattered across the world that need to die for it to be saved, go do it.
From that point any faffing about or character building scenes are justified since you know you're always making progress towards the Lightwardens.
It's the kind of thing other XIV expansions lack, real signifiers that what you're doing isn't a complete waste of time.

>>712812970
Fpbp.
Absolutely insane they thought neglecting their big money maker, a live service game would have people for some reason continue paying a monthly subscription fee when players can see their money is returning a longer patch cycle between content releases and less content during those patch drops, meanwhile their sub money is being funneled into shit games that flop anyway like Flopspoken and Foamsters to name a couple.

FF14 will be a popular game again and the failure was all completely avoidable.

>end of expac cycle
>tease "Warrior of Darkness"
woah so cool
>next expac
>he shows up, has two fights, does completely nothing and fucks off
wow, superb writing

>>712816303
Yeah anon that's fucking part of the issue. Only one Lightwarden is actually shown as being a major immediate threat, and it's the first one which has no actual lore for itself and just serves to provide exposition about the Lightwardens in general.
>Titania is locked in a castle and does nothing but periodically jumpscare people
>Eros just sits around a temple all day, and even when he's gone the Viera don't move to reclaim it because 'it's sacred'.
>Storge fell down a well and stayed there
>Vauthry just sits around being a fat bastard until WoL comes along and actually pushes him to be a Lightwarden

>>712816649
Isn't Storge specifically hiding from the warrior of light like a bitch?

>>712816649
so you are bitching because you didnt get a cutscene showing how everyone was pushed back by the lightwardens into a few communes?
all those ruins didn't spell it out for you or something?

>>712816649
They should've been big fucking crystals that corrupt the land, with guardians you fight instead.
Honestly the Flood of Light is a kino premise for a classic FF.

>>712813734
Shadowbringers was pretty shit yeah.
>Good main MSQ, good .2 and .3 patch
>But less content than Stormblood
>Introduced job homogenization
>Shitty raid (no, you lusting for the hebe lesbians doesn't make it good)
>Longest lull between two patches
>Zones look like shit
>Took until .35 to have a foray proper
"ShB was le peak" is the best way tourists out themselves.

>>712816620
I guess it makes SOME sense from a business point of view to divert resources into different projects to try to have two big earning games instead of one, but each and every one of them failed so miserably.
Meanwhile still no viera/hroth hats with people literally begging for them. Lackluster 2dye system. Tranny expansion.
Yoshit Piss be like "unsub and go play other games... NOOOO NOT LIKE THAAAAT"

>>712816187
>G'raha even points out that nobody can kill Lightwardens without getting subsumed by them, but that's literally never brought up again
I'm sorry what?
The fact that not even the WoL can handle the aether of the Lightwardens is literally the turning point that leads to the climax of the expansion?
Are you high?

>>712816649
I think Shadowbringers is overrated but you are retarded.

>>712816750
Yeah which just makes it even more pathetic. He's specifically in the zone with the MOST Light, he should have been terrorizing the place. Instead he's just lurking in a hole in the ground.
>>712816774
>Lightwardens are horrific dangerous creatures who can't be stopped!
>Good thing most of them just stay hidden or locked up even though for the past 100 years nobody would have been able to kill them.
>>712816787
That would have been far better, and far more fitting.

Why don't some of you fags just move on?

>>712817112
>Instead he's just lurking in a hole in the ground
You are forgetting the rules elementals go by. Think back to the stuff in the void as well. You have killed and consumed multiple lightwardens by this point. You are the monster he is running from. Its why Y'shtola and Urainger have that talk about keeping an eye on you in case you go full BE NOT AFRAID at any moment.

>>712817142
sunk cost fallacy

>>712817213
>in case you go full BE NOT AFRAID
would b kino

>>712817112
>crying because the lightwardens didnt just keep pushing and kill off the world before you could do anything
retardation.

>>712816992
>Nobody can kill the Lightwardens except someone who can handle the aether properly
>So rhe Exarch's plan is to summon somebidy who can
>Except that doesn't work
>Except he also planned for that and secretly made ANOTHER plan that he only told Urianger
>Except that Emet knew that plan too and had his own plan to stop it
>Except that in the end none of it mattered anyways because WoL's just built different lmao

>>712817231
I can get that if you're sitting here wanting things to improve.
But people here don't even want to accept it when the game does better. At that point, just look for something else.

>>712817213
The problem with that again is that Storge has no actual build up to make that pay off properly.
Hell even if they just had Storge be the one who transforms Tesleen it would have made the whole sequence fit better.

>>712816929
>unsub and go play other games
It's the arrogance of saying that thinking people will just come back that you don't have to offer enough of a game in an MMO to keep people around.
Now I know you said "unsub" but the quote of Yoshida's own statement he didn't say "unsub" he just said go and play other games, he still expects people to remain subbed just not keep playing FF14.
They're supposed to be running an MMO but drag their feet on every little basic feature you would expect an MMO to have and when years later they finally release those basic features they expect to be slapped on the back and applauded for it, as you say like the two dye channels.
Still waiting on those chat bubbles, or the ability of my alt being able to enter my own house.

>>712813734
Another issue is that Shadowbringers literally just went "time works that way because I say so."
Shadowbringers fans (I am one of them, but it's not god's gift to me) will constantly ramble about how other expansions fucked around with elements without caring about the ramifications, but then it just brushes stuff like that under the rug.

>>712817306
So now you're criticizing the story because it has characters that think ahead?
Having the WoL just tank it was clearly never the Exarch's plan, he even says as much during his "final speech".
And Emet was literally using the crusade as a measure of your worthiness to exist, if the WoL COULD just tank it then he'd leave everything alone.
The fact that the WoL cannot handle the Light is perhaps the single most important plot point in the whole story, so it's really funny that you actually thought it was never brought up again.

>>712817678
>And Emet was literally using the crusade as a measure of your worthiness to exist, if the WoL COULD just tank it then he'd leave everything alone.
You don't truly believe this, do you?

I finally got Feast of Famine out of my quest log

>>712817712
why shouldnt he?
he literally spells it out.

>>712817446
>Now I know you said "unsub" but the quote of Yoshida's own statement he didn't say "unsub" he just said go and play other games, he still expects people to remain subbed just not keep playing FF14.
That's a very good point.
>They're supposed to be running an MMO but drag their feet on every little basic feature you would expect an MMO to have and when years later they finally release those basic features they expect to be slapped on the back and applauded for it, as you say like the two dye channels.
Well, there's really no excuse for them. I wanted to say that they think of this game of FF first and MMO second and that's why features are lackluster, but that would imply they making an actual effort and priority for the story to be actually good lol.

The tl;dr is:
>Make game with mid gameplay but decent story for the genre
>That story is basically a load bearing pillar holding the game up, it shields the game from critism and make people put up with the mediocre bits of your game
>Get complacent with writing a good story, accidentally release the worst fucking story ever told
>Everything crumbles down around it.

For reference the Game's playerbase has dropped to a point where its undone the last two Expansions growth, and we're only 6 months into this shit.

>>712817712
I'm sure there's some measure of 5D chess going on where he's trying to show them the futility of their plans knowing that they'll fail and so only the Ancient world deserves to exist, but a large part of Emet's motivation as a character is how many true chances he's given humanity only for them to disappoint him again and again.
He delivers a whole speech about it in Amaurot.

>>712817513
That kinda plays into another issue I have with it in the Scions. You're in a brand new world, but don't worry the Scions have actually been here for years and can guide you around. The only person local to the First in the entire ShB party is Ryne.
>>712817678
>And Emet was literally using the crusade as a measure of your worthiness to exist, if the WoL COULD just tank it then he'd leave everything alone
Anon you're missing one colossal point that Emer himself literally tells you halfway through the expansion; He's Tempered by Zodiark. He was never going to leave you be, and he was ALWAYS going to betray you in order to restart the First's Rejoining.
Even if you had been dumb enough to trust him before that, the 'Zodiark is a primal' reveal should have immediately alerted you to the fact he's bullshitting you.

>>712817847
yes, anon
emet is going to put an end to his eons long mission to rejoin the worlds and bring back his people he so dearly misses because the wol can handle all the lightspooge

>>712817446
why would a game producer tell people to unsub from their game...thats idiotic and shareholders will demand him to take it back
you can infer what he means by it but he cant actually say it

>>712818003
yes?
that is literally what he does in the end after you beat him, and its HOW you beat him.
You just explained the ending of shadowbringers.
How stupid are you?

>>712817712
>>712817979
>>712818003
Do you guys just not play the video games you post about on here?

>>712811870 (OP)
Shadowbringers MSQ is so full of boring filler.

>>712818236
>emet says so
well, that settles it

>>712817973
>but a large part of Emet's motivation as a character is how many true chances he's given humanity only for them to disappoint him again and again.
He's tempered, anon. Most of those 'chances' were intentionally sabotaged by the Ascians working on the Rejoinings.
The only one that really wasn't was Lucius who died to random illness, not mankind betraying him.

Tempering was an extra thing the Ascians added to the summoning rituals when they taught them to the beast tribes. Hydaelyn and Zodiark didn't temper anyone.

>>712818341
Why would Emet be lying in a scene where he's talking to himself?

>>712815558
>>712815632
Yoshida's strengths are in team management and cost cutting.
You can see this in FF16. It was one of the fastest made modern FF games, and cost relatively little to make.

The problem is that Yoshida is not a good scenario director, cannot judge what is good gameplay, and is completely disconnected from the playerbase. FF14 succeeded because the team was good (it was all FF11 veterans), but it lacked direction and focus. Yoshida pulled them together as a team and focused their work while keeping things somewhat cheap. The problem is that SE started promoting competent staff out of creative positions for being too good at them and putting them in management positions.
Creatives make terrible managers.

>>712818356
Ascians ENHANCED the Tempering that Primals could do. They can still Temper people passively. Zodiark was so powerful and the Ancients were so infused with Aether that when he was born he automatically tempered many of them.
Hydaelyn was far less powerful (but more focused) which led to her not tempering anyone.

>>712818254
Shadowbringers was the start of Kate's localization fuckery with having all the Pixies be nonbinary. Her magnum opus was Dawntrail.

>Game made by oldschool WoWfag
>Villains are the ancients that came before
>Their world was 'better'
>They are campaigning to have it back, to return to the way things were, their perfect world
>Are all old doomers slowing dying off one by one
>Dress in black hoodys and edgy shit from the 2000's
>Want to destroy the current World and return to the original being the only version.

When did you realise the Ascians in FFXIV were a metaphor for World of Warcraft Classic Andys?

>>712818356
no, they do.
its a massive reveal and its why you cannot be tempered by other beings.
because you are ALREADY tempered.
the power of light or whatever was just you being protected from tempering because something else already staked a claim on your soul.

>>712818236
Anon he's not saying that as a 'Maybe we can co-exist' line, he's saying it as a 'Maybe I can trick these idiots into doing my work for me' line.

>>712818442
what would the wol being able to swallow lightspunk do for his cause

XIV
Barry
Dawntrail
Yoshi P
Wuk
Sena Bryer

>>712818557
>its a massive reveal and its why you cannot be tempered by other beings.
>because you are ALREADY tempered.
No, Venat's Travelers Ward is what protects you from tempering.

>>712818540
Stormblood i think.

>>712818604
you just described the ENTIRETY of the country of Garlemald, idiot.
that was him tricking people into doing his work for him.

>>712818557
Uh no lol Venat literally tells you it's just some magic she made up before she even became a primal and teaches you how to focus it in Endwalker.

How did they expect me to give a fuck about "i'm your god and will do the evil because i am a god and my victory is inevitable" after the GOAT?

I swear the only people liking FFXVI are people whos last FF game was the barrycore trash that is FFXV and anyone that played through Shadobringers can actually compare and contrast with a good story and XVI just pales in comparison.

Like i've seen people stop and cry in the latest Endwalker raid tier just because of a single boss based on Amourot from Shadowbringers. Has anyone seen that kind of reaction from Ultimas early 90's jrpg madlibs?

>>712818654
>>712818704
congrats you just described the primal tempering we were given.
Hydaelyn HID what she did to us with pretty words.

>>712818681
So you're telling me the guy who manipulated people into doing his plan for him wouldn't manipulate people into doing his plan for him again?

>>712817306
>>Except that in the end none of it mattered anyways because WoL's just built different lmao

Except it wasn't that he was "built different", it was that Hydaelyn subtly set him up for success by ensuring Ardbert's soul wasn't used up stopping the flood of light and making him persist in the world until he could meet his reflection and ultimately perform a one-man rejoining.

The WoL is literally 9/14ths of an ancient now in a world where even the strongest person is, at best, only 8/14ths, well, him and the version of Graha who turned to crystal on the first, he also survived a future rejoining.

>>712818805
The Garlemald empire is still doing its thing and he made sure its on track.
He is exploring another potential path using a different method you idiot.
You are stuck AWAY from what garlemald is doing while all this is happening.
You are his fucking plan B because he had the opportunity and whimsy after seeing you get further than before.

>>712817820
lucky

>>712818641
Because he's not some binary character who believes his race is superior no matter what due to some misplaced sense of pride.
He legitimately believes that the reason his cause is just is because his race were the only ones capable of protecting and bettering the planet, while the sundered are all a bunch of hapless monkeys.
The WoL was humanity's final gambit in his eyes - one last chance for the sundered to prove to him that they are worthy of inheriting the planet.
That's why when you beat him he's not even mad, he just asks that you remember his people - he knows the planet will live on and is worthy of being left in your hands.

>>712818651
you forgot
>SPHEEEEEEEEEEEENE

>>712818982
Anon his plan for Garlenald and his plan for WoL in ShB are completely separate. In ShB he just wants to use WoL to restart the Rejoining.
What the fuck are you going on about?

I won't forgive them for trying to shamelessly redo SHB's villain motivation and kino last zone only 2 expansions after it was released. DT is a slap in the face to every Emetfag and I'm tired of pretending it's not

>>712818798
Primals only temper due to the corrupted creation magic taught by the ascians to make them.
The version of creation magics used to make Zodiark and Hydaelyn do not include them being object of worship, it includes them accomplishing a specific goal and maintaining that goal.

>>712811870 (OP)
5.3 still makes me tear up, man.

>>712818765
>Get halfway through and think that its going to be some interesting fantasy equivalent of nuclear deterrence where Omega was a dominant from the fallens era and the kingdoms threw dominants at each other till he was left standing amongst ruins.
>Lolno its evilgodwizardman. With zero nuance or sympathy. Again.

>>712819093
bruh, they did the same fucking thing with the kingdom of baron flashback in post-patch endwalker. Creatively bankrupt.

>>712819109
>the voice crack on "but you are not hear to see it"
CINEMA

>>712819063
This is gullible shit, anon.
He wants his people back. And of.
It's not only a desire, it's an obligation. And giving up would be tarnishing the memory of his people in his eyes.
Now tell me again: what does one singular guy being able to gulp that bitter light jizz do for him?

>>712819081
You are actually too stupid to understand how he is stacking benefits like any politician.

>>712819107
>get given a longer leash
>"HAH! I am not on a leash!"
>still wearing the collar, just reaping the benefits without downsides
>still empowered by the collar
>still made pseudo-immortal by the collar
>but oh the LEASH is fake news.

>>712819107
>Primals only temper due to the corrupted creation magic taught by the ascians to make them.
Not correct; the Ascian-taught method allows Primals to corrupt the Sundered who have a lower Aether density and thus are harder to corrupt.
Zodiark is different, and the Ancients aren't the Sundered.

>>712819227
He does give up and trusts you with the future retard.
You didn't play the game.

>>712818485
I wasn't sure about this at first, but when you look at that r*ddit post that broke down which designers made which fights, it's clear the ARR and HW guys are long gone
I have to imagine this pattern isn't limited to raids either, which explains even more

>>712819296
>He does give up and trusts you with the future retard.
Because he has a continent's worth of light aether blowing a hole through his chest.
Your only argument is that he's tired of the mission, and that makes him falter between yielding when he's beaten once and steeling himself when he realizes he'd be besmirching the memory of his people by giving up so easily.
But he was never going to just lay down and say "ok my loved ones are gone but you (singularly) can give lightwardens blowies so i'll let you all live." You're coping and so was Emet.

>>712819240
Anon again you're missing the point.
Emet's objective in ShB is to restart the Rejoining. His originaly method was to use Vauthry to just enslave the First and allow for the Flood of Light to resume (hence why Ryne is imprisoned instead of killed, to contain the Oracle of Light). To that end he would have to kill WoL and the Scions to protect Vauthry and the Lightwardens.
When WoL shows up and eats Phillia he realizes he can just hijack G'raha's plan and let you eat the other Lightwardens to become even stronger than Vauthry, and all he has to is stand back and watch.

>>712817970
we are 11 months in actually
and pretty much every aspect has gotten worse, patches are longer with content that has no legs, story is dogshit and only just starting to get better, jobs are all boring as shit to play and will probably end up at WAR or heaven forbid, healer levels of complexity by 8.0
theres basically nothing to look forward to unless you use it as Second Life in which case the game could literally never update outside the cash shop and you'd be happy

>>712818765
Ultima was so boring, I have no idea why the didn't do something batshit crazy plot wise with him to go with the insane set piece kaiju battles. That's my complaint about XVI in general

>>712819227
Yes, this is clearly the face of a guy who's super mad his millenia-long plan is in ruins.

>>712819429
>literally just didn't even play the game or watch the dialogue/cutscenes
ok
>>712819509
you described one of several plans he had going for the WoL, you dont fucking get it.
He is playing multiple angles until he needs to make a choice that locks out other options.

>>712819543
It's the face of a guy who's tired, but he's being spurred on by the memory of his loved ones. He wouldn't just casually relent. He has to be beaten into death by WoL.
So long as he lives, there is not a part of him that I believe for a second would ever consent to letting the sundered live, actively styming his brethren from returning with their continued existence.

>>712817970
Completely and 100% true.
Flawless summary, anon, and I respect the brevity.

>>712819227
He literally sees you are his best friend. We see it in first person perspective. He doesn't want to believe it because it confirms the ascians are full of shit. Even sundered their loved ones are all reborn and moved on. Theres nothing to bring back because nobody stays dead in this setting. But he smiles at the end because you took him on and won. Because Hades could never beat Azem in a straight fight and you aren't even at Azems full power. He can finally rest because you proved him wrong and in doing so proved his goal as far as he personally wanted it had already happened.

The only real issue for him is that Hythlo and the rest are trapped in Zodiark on the moon, he didnt know it was holding back metions attack. But he did know like a third of his people were still trapped and not being reborn. But of course Endwalker exists for that.

>>712819612
Anon that's literally what the fuck I'm getting at.
Emet's line is not a matter of "Maybe we can co-exist". It's "I can use them for my own ends without fighting them".

>>712812970
It's not resources
HW and ARR definitely had shoestring budgets but were still far more experimental and soulful than what we've got now
They did well enough for them to throw money at a SB marketing tour, which did better so they threw more at ShB marketing, and it did well so they kept at it until oops the actual game was getting worse
Yoshida is just checked out and doesn't want to try anymore

I haven’t played since 7.1. I really love this world and characters, but fuck after 10 years of playing I’m so sick of the gameplay loop, the grind, and the content drop after thousands of fucking hours spent on it. I didn’t enjoy dawntrail’s msq much either. I do kinda want to see where the story goes and I’m attached to seeing my WoL go through it but I don’t really want to play the game anymore. Should I just quit?

>>712819731
7.2 is good if you have the autism for it. Be it pve or crafting. Gave myself mild carpal tunnel from occult crescent, good times.

>See person go "why is this old hag-man topping all the FF popularity polls? i guess i'll try the game and see"
>See same person after beating 3.5 go "I am now running an Emet Selch stan account"

I have not seen a character get their hooks in people like this since fucking Sephiroth in the mid 1990's.

What about this guy drives people crazy?

>>712819705
No, he is also considering the possibility of the new life proving it has the worth to, on its own, become what once was.
He came from utopia.
Actual fucking utopia, and has seen the remnants fail time and time again to recreate it.
But he is willing to entertain the possibility of someone finally managing to do it.
And he puts his hopes in you.
This is fucking PROVEN by endwalker.

>>712819825
He is charismatic and well written while also ultimately going from BBEG to coming in clutch for the player later on, as well as completely justifying his entire villain role.

Its simple but hard to pull off, and Square Enix managed to do it for once.

>>712819825
Complexity. Look at the autistic debating above. Emet had to be put down, but you don't really want to and feel bad but he gives you no choice. Compared to final fantasy villains often being generic evil for evils sake or other mmo villains being cackling loot pinatas nothing ever hit as hard for the player playing the role of hero as "to save my home, my people, my loved ones, wouldn't you do the same?"

>>712819878
>No, he is also considering the possibility of the new life proving it has the worth to, on its own, become what once was.
Anon you're literally falling for classic literary misdirection. Everything in EW points to him always planning to betray you, especially in retrospect after the full plan is revealed. He specifically went along with the Scions to ensure WoL would get overloaded.

>>712819692
What you're describing is his internal conflict. He's sunk costed into his path. He already killed millions for the purposes of bringing his people back, and he's come too far to stop now. He sees a glimmer of Azem in your character, but on the flipside, it irks him because you're also a pale imitation of someone he held dear. And yeah, Ascians are full of shit, and there's no way they can bring back the people who were sundered, but he's not going to casually swallow that. Again: his strongest driving force is the memory of his people and his (self-made) promise to them.
There is nothing his herculean trap of a task of expecting the WoL to sup on several lightwardens does for him. It's just a known impossibility that he threw out there as a red herring. This man won't, can't stop as long as he's alive. He's like Elidibus in that sense, except more aware of it. Yes, in the recesses of his mind, he knows he's fighting a vain cause, but the souls of his loved ones demand that he keeps on fighting his fight, for to lay down his arms would be to forsake them.
And then there's, as you said, the additional motive in being able to finally loose Zodiark after the reflections are rejoined, being able to reunite with a good chunk of his people that were sacrificed to Zodiark before the sundering.
Try as he might to humor the sundered, every fiber of his being is rooted too much in his past, in his world. That's why part of why he snap himself back to death in Endwalker. The star in that state is not a star for him. It was always going to come down to a fight to the death.

>>712819203
That could still be excused as a nod, since it was technically part of EW. However, Living Memory doing it for the 3rd time and pretending players have dementia is vile

>>712819637
That is a retarded proposition for two reasons.

1. he leaves behind Azem's crystal and its power, clearly intending for you to have it should you best him and inherit the star.
That is not something someone who is 100% resolute in beating you would do.

2. HE FUCKING TELLS YOU WHERE TO GO TO KILL HIM
Emet literally would have won if he just hadn't told the WoL he was holed up in the Tempest, or if he'd shard hopped, or gone to the Empty.
He specifically chooses to spur you on to kill him and prove him wrong even when his victory is guaranteed.

>>712820078
no, he is going along a path that serves BOTH interests, then when he reaches the fork he chooses to go against you, dumbass.
this is basic bitch politics.

>>712819825
He is a sympathetic villain and not simply evil to your god. He has a point, to put simply he is the hero of the story from his perspective.

>>712820165
You literally prove my point. He's tired and caught between two states. One is the part of him that is committed to his people and honoring their memory.
The other has spent the past 12,000 working tirelessly murdering millions in between LARPing as a leader of various nations just to bring about their downfall, reproducing a few times and having his offspring die, etc.
When he's killed, he embraces it and the comforts of having his long duty come to an end, but he was always going to have to be forced into it. Death by WoL or death to the WoL.

>>712820165
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcy7d2mNODw

>>712820174
Anon the problem here is that you might be legitimately fucking retarded. You're saying the scheming conniving super-wizard isn't being a scheming conniving super-wizard.
Even G'raha knows WoL can't handle all of the aether.

I think the fact an mmo expansion villain can get people talking like this is a testament to what a standout he was. I miss that cranky old hag every day.

>>712819812
I hope 7.3 and beyond can keep up what 7.2 has done.
It has a bit of a handicap in that it doesn't have a raid tier, but all it needs to do is continue to do things right. MSQ wise, I hope 7.2 wasn't a fluke.

>>712820459
no, you are the one saying he isnt being scheming.
I am trying to explain to you how schemers ACTUALLY scheme and keep all sorts of options open until they need to discard them.
YOU are too fucking retarded to understand it.

>>712819258
endwalker debunked this with the entire fueling the ship scene.

>>712820165
>HE FUCKING TELLS YOU WHERE TO GO TO KILL HIM
That's him being cocky and gloating, anon. The first thing he says when you get there is "You dumb bitch why haven't you transformed yet'

>>712820550
nta but how?

Emet fanboys are the only ones making it hard to like him.
Let him be a morally gray sad sack with redeeming qualities and a compelling story. Stop trying to infantilize him.

How does our girl make it and have the biggest paypig fans?

>>712820550
The rabbits literally say that if Zodiark himself were summoned that the Sundered would still feel his pull, fractured as they are.

>>712820667
oh so the other anon was being retarded again, got it.

>>712820652
Because shes disgusting and i topped my local prerelease with her
>play yshtola after playing terra
>exile and bounce terra
>twice
>two more artefacts i can tap for blue mana that get +1/+1 for every artefact i play
Shes basically what elesh norn was for white in the last phyrexian block but now its for blueniggers so even more horseshit its great.

Still not pulled an emet though, livid

>>712820530
Again anon you don't understand. Emet's plan was never co-existance. His plan was always to do the Rejoining, because it played into the wider plan to revive Zodiark. It didn't matter to him if Vauthry did it or if WoL did it. Letting WoL eat the Lightwardens before sniping G'raha was both the easier and more effective route than trying to keep WoL from killing Vauthry, so he opted to work that angle.

>>712820802
That is the commander Y'shtola, not the normal one you are thinking of. Those are also surge foils, so the pricing is 100% just popularity and not game strength.

>>712820902
>retard ignores what I am saying because he has no answer to it
>defaults back to incomplete view of things
thanks for proving my point.

>>712820920
>commander
excuse me while i vomit

>Emet going "nah I'd do it again" even after helping out in EW
love this bitch

>haven't seen a single Forked Tower pop
>at max 10 people go to the shrine and the rest are ignoring it completely
Am I really dependant on fucking Discord groups? Why make this content so hostile towards pug groups?

I assume Calyx is gonna be some sort of case of being disgusted by his mortality, having some Ascian help him out to transcend it, and now he wants that for everyone and genuinely doesn't see why others wouldn't want to be "perfect beings that know no want and no cessation".

>>712821134
i think he's a shard of Azem and the whole tural set up has been him, with knowledge of the shards, knowing hes not the core and you are and is super salty and is studying you to make a robot knock off to put his endless ai bullshit in.

>>712820980
My brother in Christ he literally tells you he is a tempered servent of Zodiark. WoL is explicitly his mortal enemy by the fact that he serves Hydaelyn.
The ending where he goes 'The victor will write the story and the vanquished will be the villain' is not him condoning or endorsing WoL and the Sundered, it's him saying "I don't give a fuck any more, either I win and proceed or I die and no longer need to care".
The only time Emet ever endorses WoL is AFTER he's been killed, as that removes the Tempering. Even then he still only does it for WoL, not the Sundered in general.

>>712820652
How is Yshtola more expensive than Tifa? I thought for years FF7 fags said that Tifa was the only reason people would play Final Fantasy?

>>712821324
>i think he's a shard of Azem
Every time some new dude or chick with some custom face appears.

>>712820652
Can't you assume it's due to low printing?
I seriously doubt Aeris would sell for less than any of the guys, they probably just assumed she'd be crazy popular and overprinted compared to everyone else.

>>712821375
Tifa's card sucks.

>>712821060
He is based

>>712821363
>retard ignores how he welcomes you to prove him wrong and effectively lays the plans for the best possible outcome to happen if he loses
you just dont get it...

>>712821380
he specifically mentions he is testing you and when you get out the azem crystal narrows his eyes and goes "there it is" which means he knew about it already which nobody else should. He doesn't give a single fuck about alexandria. You are his objective.

>I…will…not…yield.
>Should I surrender this fight, what will become of it all…? What will become of our triumphs? Our hopes? Our…our despair? What of this anguish which yet burns in my breast even after the passing of eons?
>No, no, NO! I will not let it all be for naught!“

>>712821546
I don't know how him knowing of the crystal means he's an Azem shard.
(You) didn't know of it until you were told about it.
But you make a good point. I'd like to know how it is that he recognizes it (other than watching Queen Eternal footage. That would be gay.), and if he knows of more Azem paraphernalia, given that the Cum Chalice was in his possession once, and he's obviously aware of its ties to the crystal.

>>712821460
He's 'welcoming' you because he wants to see you fail.
Are you forgetting just before Amaurot when the Scions explicitly try to reason with him and his immediate response is "SHUT THE FUCK UP, WE'RE NOT EQUALS"
He did that fully expecting you to eat shit and lose so that he could gloat and feel superior.
The Convocation's crystals aren't even found until way later after his death, and they're scattered around Amaurot, not just handed to you.

Emet is bipolar. There.

>>712821717
Implying that the WoL getting Azem's crystal and power is just happenstance is some omega cope.

It's funny to me how every new character is an Azem shard.
Zero was an Azem shard.
Durante was an Azem shard.
Sphene was an Azem shard.
Now Calyx is an Azem shard.
Are there any more Azem shards I should know about?
FWIW I truly do think OG Golbez in the Memoria Crystal is the Thirteenth's Azem shard. I'm more surprised we haven't gobbled him up yet.

>>712821886
That scene and Emet's involvement in EW legitimately feel like the writers saw the public reaction to him and just shoved him in for nostalgia bait.
Zenos and Nidhogg coming back at least made sense.

>>712819093
did you notice that sphene did similar motions like emet but in reverse?
I dont know if it was intentional but it was pretty fucking annoying for me when I was watching the DT cutscene
https://youtu.be/5Mvz31oWOr4?t=697
https://youtu.be/l86mzD15xc0?t=202

>>712817970
Not only that but the mid gameplay has actually gotten a lot worse, so even people who found enjoyment in it are peacing out.

>>712821717
>retard still doesnt get it.
the story was wasted on you.

>>712820165
that and also he literally registers your name for the fucking elevator in amaurot
literally guiding you to his house

>>712822062
The entire Warrior of Light fight and scenario is a 1 to 1 recreation of the Shadowbringers finale itself.
There's no way that would have happened had the expansion and its ending not been so adored by everyone.

>>712817970
This is pretty much it. And they have shown no desire to recant their ways or improve.

Did they ever get around to fixing Pictomancer hammers falling completely out of the rotation because they fucked up while doing the much-needed rebalance Picto needed? I bet not. They can't stop themselves from making jobs worse and they never admit to mistakes.

>>712818876
>The WoL is literally 9/14ths of an ancient now in a world where even the strongest person is, at best, only 8/14ths
Unrelated, but I'm still peeved how EW had to asspull a second diametrically opposed power source to aether. Stuff up to ShB was building up WoL's power level based on ancient stuff and connection to Azem, then EW comes up with how WoL gets super duper emotion powers from not being fully ancient.

>>712820164
If you're a FF9 fan there's another layer of creative bankruptcy with Dawntrail and the Endless that just pisses me off even more. It's not a homage done right even remotely.

>>712811870 (OP)
FF14 peaked at Heavensward. After that the game became gay.

>>712819093
>Welcome to the final days of Amaurot
>Welcome to the final days of a bunch of planets
>Welcome to the final days of Baron
>Welcome to the final days of Alexandria
Enough of this! I was willing to tolerate Dead Ends being an Amaurot repeat because it's kino in its own way, and I really liked the aliens plotline in Endwalker, but they've done it FOUR TIMES by now.

>>712822435
I enjoyed going through DT as a Reaper and shutting down that shitty faux-disneyland at the very end. They lived on borrowed time they had stolen from others and whatever pleas SPEEEN had fell on deaf ears in my case. That was the only part of Dawntrail I enjoyed.

>>712822435
I am an FF9 fan and none of the references work. Making it some fucking cyber kingdom is also dogshit, the best we have gotten was Otis.

>>712820667
>Zodiark himself were summoned that the Sundered would still feel his pull
Not Tempering though, otherwise Hydaelyn and the 12 wouldn't be able to exist.

>>712820792
The "Tempering" part of summoning was specifically developed by Lahabrea, they straight up tell you in the cutscene that primals don't actively temper anyone. Aetheric corruption can occur, like ANY sufficiently powerful source of aether, but it doesn't work like tempering.

Emet Selch was lying through omission to try and get the scions to question if they were tempered by Hydaelyn, and we know Emet wasn't "tempered" because he acted against the will of Zodiark by "testing" you in the first place.

>>712822265
and also hythlodaeus not knowing if him guiding you to the rock candy, was his own will or a part of his programming.
Literally basic story implications for toddlers

>Red Mage has gotten slightly easier since it was first introduced in Stormblood.
>It was considered a laughably easy job at the time. It was popular but also its simplicity was controversial to a playerbase coming fresh off Heavensward.
>It's now considered the hardest caster in the game because all the other casters got their gameplay design destroyed.
What a stupid game.

>>712820652
>>712820802
>>712821375
>>712821423
Damn, and I pulled her foil card in a precon sample pack.

>>712817979
>>712818348
>>712815809
>>712818356
>>712818521
>>712818557
The problem with talking about tempering is that while the general gist of what's going on is the same (a being of tremendous power beign able to alter the aetheric construction of other beings in its vicinity), the effects aren't the same every time. Hell, "tempered" as a lore term exists alongside other words like "drowned" or "touched" relating to those affected by other Eorzean primals. Tempered is just the one most used in conversation because the people it describes are perhaps the most frightening example of the effect to the average Eorzean man; a particularly ruthless vision of the Amaljaa god Ifrit rendering victims utterly mindless devotees to itself. Meanwhile, there's plenty of other examples where tilting one's aetheric balance does not have those exact effects. The kobold kid who summoned Titan just turns into a silent vegetable, the pirates side with Sahagin and worship Leviathan, but still remain pirates at heart, etc. Zodiark is the most powerful primal of all, but he wasn't summoned with the intent of him being a conqueror god converting others to his faith, and all present for his summoning were people of immense aetherial reserves. While Emet *could* just be lying about being tempered by him, I'm more inclined to think he's not, and he's just omitting the actually important part, which is what exactly being tempered by Zodiark *means*. I imagine it's not a whole lot, he's just using it as a convenient excuse to not dig too deep into the reasons for his unending devotion to the cause when questioned by some measly ants.

>>712822649
Agreed and much of what worked for me at least with Otis was his voice actor playing the hammy Shakespeare Henry the V type of character which was pretty great and pretty much what Steiner was.
The Endless being Genomes and the concept of that final zone going off to suck off another shard for energy much like in FF9 where Terra home of Garlond and his Genomes were trying to soul suck Gaia.
It was also more than that, the music of FF9 used in Dawntrail which really disappointed me just how out of place it was at least to me it felt very cheaply used.

>>712822810
Sell her for 400

>>712822742
Sorry I didn't play in a while, how the fuck is red mage harder than black mage?

>>712823072
Since they made thunder a proc and completely removed expiration of any elemental states. Or Enochian.

>>712820652
>actually beating Tifa and Cloud
Jesus fuck Yoshida that is DESPITE your best efforts to push her into the background. Do something with a character people clearly like.
Also add Sphene as permanent Scion.

>>712823072
Black Mage got gutted.

>>712822963
it's just standard borderless foil, not surge.
Only worth $180 and I'd rather keep it.

>>712823183
damn....

>>712823072
The job has no timers anymore and all cast times are 2s like on the other casters and healers.

>>712823149
Tifa and Cloud are really mediocre cards, and are mainly selling off characater recognition. Y'shtola has significantly better color coverage just by virtue of having Blue, and more reliable effects, so she's aelling off both play value and recognition value.

>>712819093
The motivation, situation and moral conundrum are all different.

>>712822810
>fandaniel puts your opponent in a lose lose situation
>that quote on Ardbert
Did they actually do a good job with these cards?

>>712822147
yeah I did, I bet they thought it was a clever reference

>>712823361
Those are surge foils, relative strength has nothing to do with pricing in that segment, since you can get the power for much, much cheaper.

>>712823486
they actually did for the most part.
turns out a lot of the MTG staff are FF nerds, and SE staff were closely involved in the design and art.
You'll still get black shopkeepers in the FF1 cards, but every named character matches their original design (artist skill non-withstanding)

>>712823283
This reads like a shitpost someone would make about the game before the media tour info drops

>>712811870 (OP)
I wonder if there's some expansion in this game with a story just as good as Shadowbringers that we'll never know about because it's stuck in moonrunes forever.

>The devs give so few fucks that there's two secondary stats that are exactly the same thing (SkS and SpS) and two that exist exclusively to be useless (Tenacity and Piety).

>>712823512
Speaking of clever references

>>712823384
when you look at the broad strokes, no not really

>>712823835
You forgot that they literally made up a second crit stat that is just worse crit

>Three expansions in a row of Dark Knight having the exact same dogshit 123123123 gameplay
lmao

Shadowbringers was longterm extremely harmful for FFXIV because it combined severe simplification of gameplay systems with a fan-favorite story, so the game exploded in popularity and the devs became convinced people were here for the simplified gameplay.

>>712823768
sadly its very real
no complexity allowed

XIV gameplay is for babies.

>>712823874
What am I supposed to be looking at here

>>712823835
The devs give so few fucks to this game that 7.3 is supposed to be end of this month, next month at the latest and there has been almost no word of the patch. They're also so incredibly, retardedly out of touch that they're holding a get together for fans in LA next month.
In LA.

>>712822451
StB*

>>712822147
You loved Emet Selch right? Would you love him as a cute girl?

I have been thinking: People complained that "nothing every happens" and "The scions never die!!" yet, of the original cast only these 3 remain. XIV has such a high mortality rate compared to any other FF title that I legit don't know what people are talking about.

>>712824351
Riot libs
Make up proud
Put Yoshi-P in the ground

>>712811870 (OP)
Yugiri was the best girl even 6 years ago...

>>712824387
Nobody cares about Palypmao or Minfilia to be fair

>>712824293
>Eternity Symbol Hair
>Endless
GET IT?!

>>712824351
wtf lol
the 7.3 ll part 1 is in 4 days.
then there's still a part 2
and then there's the patch

>>712819428
ARR had some of my favorite dungeons before they started to shit them up for trusts (waste of dev time for social anxietyfags playing a fucking mmo btw) Every one had some unique thing to them that made them fun to run. I miss old Praetorium and Castrum too the 8 mans were fun. Now everything is sanded down to dodge circle aoe dodge line aoe, unique attacks got that stupid [ENEMY IS STROKIN HIS DICK WATCH OUT] bullshit now because retards wouldn't set the enemy cast bar to a larger UI scale.

>>712824351
>In LA.
I had no fucking idea, hahah

>>712824603
Trusts have permanently warped FFXIV's dungeon design and its all to appease the scant minority of retards willing to pay an MMO subscription to play a single-player game that takes 200 hours to become remotely fun.

>lots of people arguing that the mechanics are happening too fast so casters needed to get dumbed down
what happened to the good ol get good

>>712824387
>Moenbryda is completely forgotten

>>712824351
You know LA is a massive city, right? The protests going on are tiny in comparison, it's not like the whole city is on fire

Was XIV always shitposted this hard?

>>712824580
you just reminded me 7.3 is likely the last patch we get this year

>>712824782
This is mild compared to most threads since 7.0

>>712824387
the story is bad because nobody ever dies, yet I'd sacrifice every Scion except maybe Urianger to have Venat back.

>>712824782
Threads were always a mix of bitching about the game combined with actually discussing it. It was 6.X and Dawntrail that reduced the threads to pure shitposting. This is the unhappiest the players have ever been.

>>712824821
7.3 in July.
7.4 somewhere in November, probably.

>>712824905
They said Venat is dead forever sorry

>>712824905
please, let her rest
she literally had been working for thousands of years without breaks bearing the weight of genociding her entire species

>>712824821
Hope the Deep Dungeon and Variant Dungeon last you until January!

>>712824782
Threads with OP's that speak positively about FFXIV get deleted still.

>>712825092
It's all so fake and gay.

How do I into MINE tanking? Seems like something just about deletes me every 10 or so seconds and there's only so many mits to go around. Is there a point where I'll just have to tell my healers to healbot for a bit or is there something else I can do?
t. currently on T5 with a "static" and I feel like this might become a problem, not like it's the first fight where I'm struggling to stay alive even when nothing in particular is going on

>>712824387
>Thancred
He needs to come to terms that you of all people don't need protection and that he can relax and let his guard down if it is just the two of you. Ryne will comment how great it is to now have two dads or a mom.
>Y'shtola
She has no idea how to face these feelings, and would prefer to keep the relationship on a down low. Quite romance between two equally autistic individuals. Matoya (savage) will be your endboss.
>Urianger
You will need some time to heal his wounds, but after a while he'll warm up to you. He does show it in either extremely subtle ways or is going to be too wordy about it.

Scion dating... doko?

>>712824678
That and story/job skip potions make playing the game hell. I've seen so many sprouts at EW just eat shit on everything. Last week a healer died to every boss in the dead ends within the first 30 seconds of each boss and our PLD had to clemancy me and the RPR the whole run. Even with the instant cast Esuna changes never take off doom or death debuffs, still double stack multiple stack markers (had this happen in a savage fight more than should be humanly possible). And the one thing I was looking forward to with the new foray is also dogshit. Yoshi is checked the fuck out and he needs to step down, Hiroi needs to be fired, Ishikawa needs to come back and a new Director needs to be put in because XIV still has potential and it's being wasted in his hands.

>>712824782
Nah. ShB/Endwalker drew in a lot of unpleasant fags with an axe to grind.

His ultimate better get announced on monday LL Yoshida

>>712825327
>monday LL
bro?
the LL is on friday

>>712825327
they gotta do Shinryu Ultimate first

>>712814517
We beat them up in Eureka

>>712825327
It's Zenos Ultimate time, anon.
Featuring an unskippable 3 minute intermission where he fucks your WoL in the ass and you're forced to watch, and it has the best looking weapons in the game.

>>712825327
the last thing the game needs is another ultimate, even content creators are complaining that there isnt enough to do for the average player

>>712825042
>>712825046
My point was more that Venat's death had more of an impact to me than if they killed of any Scion.
I don't even love any of them. I like Urianger and the rest is just okay.

I stopped playing around the time shadowbringers was about to come out did the game really go downhill that much? I was almost considering playing again cause ff6 got me in the mood but I'd have to make a new character because of platform changes

>>712825528
>YES, YES, JUST SO

>>712825547
motherfucker you know the bipolar freaks of the xiv community will have a tantrum if dawntrail doesn't have at least 2 ultimates
they're already bitching about 7.25 not having a criterion despite hating criterions in endwalker

>>712825327
We've already had this expansion's Ultimate, anon

>>712824387
II trumps it by a mile.

>>712825560
The story quality dipped from 6.1 to 7.1 and there was a lack of replayable content in Endwalker. job homogenization has continued the way it was introduced in Shadowbringers
otherwise nah.

>>712825560
The writer of a bunch of mediocre questlines got promoted to storylead and the content is the same shit just with an extra month between patches

>>712825685
Yea II was really dark
Even Cid died

>>712825685
No... no it doesn't.
FF II has Minwu, Scott and Josef. Can't remember if Richard died and most of them were very minor characters any ways, so you'd need to count all the Scions in the Walking Sands who got murdered by Livia as well.

>>712825450
>>712825528
Is there actually a single person who wants Shinryu ulti

>>712824986
unless they've suddenly decided to speed up the schedule it will be in August as July will be 4 months at the ass end of the month
>>712825060
i will continue taking Yoshi Ps advice and play other games
likely permanently at this rate

>OC is the worst parts of eureka and bozja combined

they really have no idea what they're fucking doing anymore

>>712824782
This is easily the most comprehensible xiv thread in weeks, This game has attracted the ire of some really strange folks.

>>712817820
I have still yet to start down the path of that insanity
And apparently those are baby mode compared to big fish that came after

>>712826205
July 25. Exactly 4 months after 7.2

>>712826259
All it has going for it is the fact that the actual critical engagements are at least good bosses.that and i personally like the 5th astral era themeing, but yeah aside from that wtf were they thinking.

>>712826276
the schizos are sleeping

>>712826276
something something 2021

>>712825916
I don't care for Shinryu but I do want a Zenos ult

>>712825649
people were hating on the lack of rewards, not the criterion itself

>>712826361
now add 2 weeks because we are on a 4 and a half month schedule

>>712826390
i like the CEs but FT is a complete fucking mess that has already been taken over by the discords because it's impossible to prog otherwise and there's zero flavour in the quests, fates, and CE text so it feels boring as fuck

at least bozja introduced some neat characters and the duels were cool

>>712826320
Was the last thing i did before DT came out, Once I understood what was being asked of me it wasnt toooo bad, but it requires a bit of prep and actually setting alarms which is wacky, I cant imagine what the pro fishers go through.

>>712819203
Same guy who wrote DT, not a coincidence

>>712826259
I'm enjoying it thoughever.

>>712811870 (OP)
Shadowbringers was good. No doubting that. But peak was Endwalker. Zenos busting into the finally fight and telling the MC to hurry up with the fight so he can have his shot at the title was perfect. Absolutely belittled the bird bitch which was exactly what she deserved.

>>712825649
Those people don't actually do the Ultimates, they're "anti-wowfags" who want to watch streamers do them for the world first race so they can show off how hard and epic the game is

>>712826259
The entire game design is helmed by the team that is doing the 'athletic' combat encounters. That is all the game is doing at this point, any semblance of RPG flavour is gone.

>>712826683
a lot of people who don't do something bitch about it not being added to an expansion

>>712826548
On that note, I was so hyped for 5th astral era shit and the premise and exploration was really cool but yeah the fate flavour texts are some of the worst dogshit I've seen, like actual intern filler tier even for the CE's. If there was ever a place to sprinkle interesting lore tidbits into fate dialogue it would have been here.

now that oc is a big fat stinking flop what is our next cope

>>712826548
I heard it's really easy except for like 1 mech. How come people were able to do chaotic in pf, but absolutely need fucking discord for this?

>>712826984
Because XIV players are shitters in denial and they'd rather bitch at square than own up to it.

i didn't get any good cards from my packs

>>712826548
Yeah, same. I enjoy the overworld grind in CT with the CEs and FATEs, but Forked Tower is just such a shitshow. I cannot fathom why they decided to go back to the BA formula, down to the cancerous way to enter the dungeon. All they needed to do was make it like the Bozja raids where there's an easy version everyone can play, and a hard one that gives a mount, and you just queue in for both. That's it. Also yeah, doesn't help that there's basically no story this time around, Bozja had one of my favorite storylines in XIV

>>712826671
>endsinger having her nihilism rant
>is btfo by someone brimming with purpose even if it is singular and insane
Zenos existing and being there is as big of a punch to the metia's broken ideology as the trial itself

>>712827109
>Bozja had one of my favorite storylines in XIV

>>712827074
Remember to eat the extra Kefka cards

>>712826860
Legitimately the only hope now is that the next expansion has them do a big "we're pulling ourselves together" marketing push where they guarantee that they're going back to what makes the game good, actually delivering on the job overhaul they promised, and deliver a good story. The next expansion has to be a BIG hit to prove to the players they still got it, else its fucking over

>>712826984
from what i've heard
>pain in the ass to get a group in
>thief and ranger are straight up required
>haha what if we put in 1 person fucks up and you wipe mechanic on the first boss :))))
>>712826517
actually i will conceed we might technically get 7.4 this year but it'll be like, December 30th lmao
>>712826548
yeah its crazy how fucking boring every flavor text is

>>712827254
I think i realised my brain was broken when i found that hot.

If only standard wasn't the worst fucking imaginable thing ever right now. We could be enjoying cards, but instead it's mice, otters and a fucking knife.

BAN RAGE, BAN CUTTER, BAN WOTC PLAYTEST TEAM

>>712825916
I think everyone just want more Zenos content. I hope Shinryu portion is just a warmup before the madlad gets motivated

>>712827254
i only got an estinien art card. only bought 10 packs

>Hardboiled isn't Hildebrand with Amnesia but a shard of Hildebrand that lost his Nashu and their personalities clash like rivals/brothers.
You played me like a fiddle XIV, and i love it.

>>712826860
Nothing, look forward to the DOA second Cosmic Exploration area next patch!

>>712827254
does she still like FFXIV?

>>712825916
no. Zenos is for being the final phase of Endsinger ultimate

>>712811870 (OP)
I hope they make a new FF MMO some day, one that wasn't designed to run on the fucking PS3, maybe then it'll actually have enjoyable gameplay.

I started playing in Shadowbringers, and it was genuinely one of the most memorable vidya experiences I've had, I love the story, the characters, the OST... But even so, I still have zero desire to ever, ever play XIV again.
Without that story hook it's just an incredibly middling game, I don't want to drag myself through that shit just to hear the new boss themes or whatever, I just go to YouTube for those.

>>712827706
Idk if she still likes the game in general
But she obviously still likes Emet

The game is probably more fun when you permit yourself to have fun and don't treat it as fodder for an autistic point scoring checklist.
That, or quit it if you really don't enjoy it anymore. That's what I'd do, but apparently that's crazy talk.

>>712827743
surely FFXVII is going to be an MMO (and hopefully NOT be done by CBU3)

>>712811870 (OP)
Shadowbringers was the end of the story. If you don't like what came after then you can't actually call yourself a fan of ffxiv. Also, games full of cheaters anyway so who the fuck cares? lmfao

>>712827796
Oh she went full autistic in a kefka cosplay opening magic packs and eating cards until she pulled emet.

not joking.

I am not trolling or baiting
I genuinely believe raids are a complete waste of dev resources and the game would be better off if they were no longer made

>>712813734
You have to view this in the context that by the time it came out the setting and plot development in the First was already a fucking mess and resetting in something vaguely FFXI shaped without all that baggage was a relief. We already knew anything to do with war with Garlemald would be half-assed and shitty because the game format can't account for non-permanent enemies in a zone.

>>712828013
I believe you. The community has enough earnest retards.

>>712828013
We need more open world fate bosses. If my ps3 could handle them -in theory- modern hardware can.

>>712828013
i agree but they should be normal level, not savage

ultimates are a waste of dev time 100%

>>712828013
this but dungeons in their current form

>>712828013
disagree, even ignoring savage sweatyness they're a good vehicle for storytelling.

>>712828252
Yup. Arcadion is nice.

>>712827635
I still need to do all the new Hildibrand stuff, I didn't get around to doing EW Hildibrand yet even

>>712827954
Good lord this woman is a fucking sperg and I love her for it

>>712827796
Did she put a Emet type character in Warframe

>>712828113
I would be OK with large bosses that shit tons of people could fight
>>712828180
Lfg style raids could be alright if they were done sparsely
>>712828252
You could just have them as trials or dungeons or
Crazy thought. Optional side stories

>>712828425
She earns her ugly boots.

>>712828013
Why do you bother playing XIV if all you do is text-fuck other grown-ass-men? Discord is free and has entire communities built around your mental disorders.

>>712828189
>this but dungeons in their current form
Agreed too. Dungeons are just boring. Take too long and give nothing I give a fuck about

The next expansion should add bozja/oc style critical encounters in the open world as hard mode fates.

Debate me.

>>712828616
I don't play it anymore after I finished the msq in dt.
All the casual content sucked ass.
I unsubbed and went to play other shit.
War thunder is really fun btw

>>712828758
sure, why not

How would you feel about them putting a series of dungeons like XI has? Like actually in the world?
Idk how feasible that would be. Idea just popped in my head

>>712813734
Instantly exposed as a Garleanfag mad his precious empire homeland was turned into a burnt down crisp with a radio tower

>>712818485
FFXVI took 8 years dude. That makes it the second longest after XV. You only think it was fast because they didn't announce it until it was done.

>>712828758
I agree
The closest thing to it are those rare fate bosses with very very long respawn timers that require nothing but getting lucky with its spawn during its open window and if you dont make it good fucking luck go to another world and wait there again.

>>712828758
I wish hunts were like that too.

>>712828778
>gachacuck who wants to spam his credit card to win
oh god, it's even more pathetic than a MARE addict

HAAAALP! PEOPLE ARE STANDING AROUND!
SE BAN THEM, MY BLACKLIST IS FULL!

>>712826259
And yet you're still subscribed

how do I buy this as a thirdie? its never in stock and selling for like $750 on ebay

>>712826259
Weird bait

>>712829294
hunts could be better yeah

>>712829401
weeaboo police is still going? lmao

>>712829294
>Hunts but it removes people raging over early pulling + you have to actually fight the boss instead of rolling it over
No thats too good of a change

>>712829404
myep

>>712829485
You wait for the reprint flood in 3 months

>>712829317
War thunder isn't gacha

>>712826259
idk man I didnt like the gray muddy zones and the repetitive music, phantom jobs are definitely better than lost actions too
but I wouldnt have mind if OC actually had both a CLL tier raid and FT

>>712829627
Yeeep!
It tickles me seeing that just the act of standing around, not even blocking anything in particular, pisses these people off because they apparently stop them from being an erp whore.

>>712829726
No CLL equivalent really bummed me out
Theres no bigger joy than release bozja with people raging over the first boss
>YOURE DOING TOO MUCH DAMAGE UP THERE
>WE NEED MORE PEOPLE DOWN HERE
>We're at 20% , We're at 59%
>Who wants to volunteer for Lyon

>>712829317
I grinded all the way to 9.3 tanks so far and the only thing I bought was a premium account for 180 days on special. Which came out cheaper than buying a ffxiv subscription btw

>>712829827
>guy with toaster having his game ruined
>Anon thinks this is owning trannies somehow

pic rel is what your father should've done to spare us your retardation

>>712829827
it’s just e-littering and it looks like shit. brown skin behavior

Dodge my mechanics

Never forget that Koji Fox is the reason we have I II III shit instead of SOVL Firagas.
>>712829401
>cropping out the post date

>>712829401
Weeaboo Police is a hero to us all
Making Limsa rats mald and seethe is the noblest cause of them all

>>712820652
>How does our girl make it and have the biggest paypig fans?
Pic related exists for over 10 years by now.

>>712828189
Don't worry dungeons in their current form don't take any resources anyways

>>712829827
Lmao that's hilarious
Hope the RPtroons quit so SE has to actually make a good game

>>712829726
Maybe part 2 has a CLL.

>>712830279
This thing has the simplest fucking mechanics too, look at where the thing it sent out is going and position accordingly, that is basically ALL it does

>>712830498
>Hope the RPtroons quit so SE has to actually make a good game
Anon it's causing regular people to lag out in one of the main starting cities
It's hitting everyone but the erpers

>>712818485
what the fuck are you talking about, lmao
16 development was longer than FF7 Remake's. And Rebirth was less than 4 years because the team was able to reuse a lot of shit from Remake.

Meanwhile CS3 built a brand new engine for 16 that will remain unused for many years because they arent abandoning millions of players on potatoes and PS4 to migrate FF14 onto a new engine and the next MMO/GAAS FF is many many years away.

>>712830279
this guy is alright
it's company of stone i loathe
(i did it with 0 vuln stacks yesterday though)

>>712826259
This is some insanely retarded bait.

>>712830696
a lot of people just say shit now

>>712830649
People can't fathom anyone in Limsa actually doing stuff like using the MB. Limsa is only for erp to them

>>712830668
Anon your geomancer

>>712830498
>>712830649
This
Modders have infinite blacklist btw
Literally only hurts regular players kekw

I still liked Heavensward more than any other expansion

>>712830656
>built a brand new engine
Isn't it just 14's engine but with higher quality assets

>>712828013
I agree with you.

>>712830821
Geomancer is cheating.
I mean without condom.

>>712830279
Just switch to tank.

>>712830668
Company of Stone and Mythic Idol or Mythical Idol or whatever it is.
I also hate the mind control guy.

I like Deep Dungeon

>>712830934
Honestly its not so hard
The only mechanic I hate is their jumping part but I just abuse tank privilege

>>712811870 (OP)
I never thought it could get this bad, but here we are.

>be lalafell tank
>heavy armor doesn't look right on me
its not fair

>>712831054
Ganbare, anon!

>Rush towards ending all pre-existing plotlines and lore mysteries in Endwalker and its patches.
>Even plotlines nobody was asking to be ended like the Void or the Twelve.
>People think they're clearing the table to begin a new kino saga to last ten years.
>What we got was Dawntrail.
This still makes me kek.

>>712831242
>be pedo
>wah
Shut up

When will it be on life support? We need that Ivalice MMO.

>>712831372
I wonned it already!

The recent~ish BLM changes made it pretty fun in DD

>>712831037
I refuse to learn the tentacle spots

>>712815826
Who thought letting a child build an army was a good idea? Who thought letting a child get funding from the shadiest lalas around was a good idea? None of the scions stopped to think for a second about how stupid any of this was?

>joined ffxiv around the time shadowbringers came out
>had played it once on playstation LONG ago
>decide to really get stuck in
>play through MSQ and some other stuff
>having fun
>don't really do free company or much social stuff, just enjoying the story
>blast through MSQ
>hear of endwalkers coming
>decide to keep playing until it comes out
>it comes out
>play through the MSQ
>story is "done"
>slowly stop playing the game
>new expansion drops
>don't care, haven't played

>tfw still haven't played and have no interest to
>tfw calculating all that time subscribed+the fact I basically only did MSQ and "major" side content
>tfw I paid £260.71 to basically just play a final fantasy game's main story

>>712831643
Get wallet raped piggy

Why has every patch for the last three years been nothing but increasing levels of "it's over".

>>712831624
You say that but it's has happened in history many times over.
King Baldwin the IV of Jerusalem for example, you might know him better as the Lepper King in the movie Kingdom of Heaven.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_IV_of_Jerusalem

>>712811870 (OP)

>>712824728
>what could've been

>>712831751
>what if we just removed more gameplay and made the jobs more similar so that our internal raid team can clear the raid so we can push it out live
Gee, I dunno

>>712815809
>he's specifically the Ascian who made Garlenald and endorsed dropping a moon on Eorzea.
He's also specifically the Ascian who made Allag, and knew the moon wasn't a moon.

>>712824728
That part of Endwalker where he finally gets to meet her parents shanked my feels in the kidneys

>>712829401
You can't stand in my spot! How dare you afk here

>>712811870 (OP)
Dunno but someone should tell SE that they aren't gonna get anywhere by trying to copy everyone else and being late to the party. They unironically need to go back to their old way of doing things before the initial FF14 fuckup that caused them to fire all the maestros. Such a pussy faggot company that immediately thrashes around and tries to change its form the second something doesn't instantly live up to its retardedly high expectations.

>>712832159
This is actually a thing, some people get real salty if 'their' spot is taken

>>712832145
>I think....I can feel her too

>>712831938
>implying they even test shit anymore

>>712815183
>using the benefit of the MMO style to make the story long-lasting and impactful
I would agree if FF14 were a real MMO and not a sub-MOBA tier facsimile of one.

>>712832267

>>712831751
Because the original team has all been replaced and the newfags don't know what the fuck they're doing.

>>712831242
Wear the ARR plate set.

>>712832267

>>712832231
Oh I know, I've met a few. It's just like regardless of world, there is always a lala bench, full of degenerates.

>>712825916
Zenos should be a solo duty.

>>712832231
Spot taken anon.
Go somewhere else.

>>712812970
it's just weird that they put most of the team on other projects...projects that kinda flopped too

>>712832956
Because they're hoping to create the next XIV, rather than cultivate and grow what they already have.

Infinite greed and growth mindset.

>>712831603
i always think i do it right
and then i dont

>>712832956
Sakaguchi got fired for his movie flopping. They have had so many games flop in the last few years. SE had to sell all their western ips to embracer, because of how badly they were mismanaged. If you look at the games coming out it doesn't seem like they learned their lesson and the 3 year plan is just let's remake games using ai sloppa and add voice work and call it a day.

>>712832956
>Why would a corporation try and diversify their assets
Though it's true most of them have been flops because Square refuses to make a turn based game again and keep blaming them not selling on shit like bravely default.

>>712831751
Because we've had an influx of retarded FUDfags orbit the game and its discussions 3 years ago.

>>712830147
>>Anon thinks this is owning trannies somehow
No one but you mentioned trannies, why do they live rent-free in your head?

AMAUROT WAS OURS GIVE IT BACK

>>712826259
>No fun combos like instacast black/red mage or lifesteal WAR.
>Can't make some decent money by grinding mobs anymore.
>Can't even use a phantom job after maxing it because you gotta max all jobs.
>No Castrum or Dalriada equivalent, just another discordtranny raid.

>>712832956
>can't sell tentpole AAA games
>can't sell niche games
>who even knows what they're doing with their western IPs
If i went back to 2010 and zapped yoshi-p out of existence, this company would literally no longer exist

>>712833483
Hades please it was proven time and time again that your people were retards with godlike powers who immediately started throwing tantrums at the tiniest inconvenience
Venat did NOTHING wrong

>>712833483
33% of the ancients committed 100% of the crime. thats a fact.

>>712833545
>1
Those were just cheese strats for duels that you needed to grind for. Finite lost actions were shit.
>2
You can make good money what the fuck are you talking about?
>3
You can still use whatever phantom job you want unless you're doing FT shit but FT is objectively dogshit. Don't be a metanig.
>4
This is true, FT was a mistake.

>ffxiv will be down because the smelly japs need to fix their shirt database
AAA FUCK I WANTED TO GRINC OC MORE

>>712811870 (OP)
So, did you rike it?

>>712831751
The truth is they've been treating player base like retards more and more every patch, both in gameplay changes and MSQ

>>712832956
They did it again with GamesFest just gone with that retarded Among us Clone game that will flop immediately as did their Splatoon game clone Foamstars that immediately flopped.

The problem is they're throwing tens of millions of dollars along with hundreds of devs, tens of thousands of dev man hours into these games and they all come back shit, then flop.

Square Enix made it's name by profiting from the collapse of Square Soft which popularised the JRPG genre but for over 20 years all they've done is try to get away from JRPGs with every ounce of their being, they'll throw out the add AA jrpg but they throw most of their money behind retarded action games like the Marvels Avengers game that cost them $250million and flopped, or Forspoken that cost $150million and flopped.

>>712833872
>Those were just cheese strats for duels that you needed to grind for. Finite lost actions were shit.
Found the shitter who never used lost actions in DR. Yes finite actions were shit which is why phantom jobs should have been great. But they're all bland. How the fuck did we get Berserker without Lost Blood Rage? There aren't any crazy set ups you can do like in Eureka or Bozja, just extra GCDs or two minute buffs.
>You can make good money
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH with WHAT? Everything that drops in there was selling for 1k within week one.
>You can still use whatever phantom job you want
Not unless you've maxed every other phantom job out, because then you're wasting all that exp.

The Steam forum seems to operate on a different spectrum than here

>>712833954
>14 hour maintenance
The fuck?

Ah so it was samefagging.

>>712834173
the best ones are when you get a hardmode dungeon from AAR which you last played 3 years ago and the rest of party watches the cutscene
you know you are in for a good time

>>712834173
Steam are more critical because they're not trying to appease the toxic positivity crowd.

Article from today.
https://www.gamesradar.com/games/final-fantasy/final-fantasy-14-dawntrail-recent-reviews-drop-back-to-mostly-negative-on-steam-as-patch-7-25-falls-short-of-mmo-fans-expectations-occult-crescent-has-disappointed-many-people/

Anyone who uses ultimate weapons as a glamour is a massive faggot with no aesthetic taste, btw.

>>712834173
god imagine if /v/ showed if you actually owned the game or not
board would become actually usable in a day

Ah so he doesn't have an argument.

>Steam are more
why is /v/ full of jeets

>>712834390
>critical
you can get literally any dungeon in the roulette (minus the latest ones)
besides the level and gear gets sync'd down so the only advantage higher level chars have is knowledge of the layout/mechanics
>>712834429
agreed

>>712834294
Your own fault for replying to obvious as fuck bait. Like 12 people called it out as obvious bait which he ignored.

>>712833701
Walkchad.... I...

>>712834549
>Quotes a portion of the sentence
Why do ESLs partially quote sentences which in turn transforms the meaning? Almost as if they're trying to obfuscate...

>>712834642
This. If you don't have an argument besides coping by calling everything bait then you could just not respond at all and save yourself the embarrassment.

She deserves a better MSQ.

>>712834642
>Your own fault for replying to obvious as fuck bait.
God forbid I think someone is trying to have an actual discussion and not just baiting for (You)s.

>>712834429
legend titles are boring, too
><The Perfect Legend>
><Genesis of Legends>
vs
><Sword of the South>
><Once and Future King>
><The Hand of Creation>
><Big Fish>
><The Sword of Eorzea>

>>712833137
It feels impossible for me. I swear I look at every tentacle and see their direction and think I got it then some random one appears and slaps my shit

if the trial for 7.3 is necron i will be disappointed

>>712834916
I was trying to have an actual discussion, and then you didn't have an argument so you just decided I was samefagging, somehow. Despite that being my first post in this thread butting into your conversation with the other anon. I'm curious if you even know what samefagging is or if you just think it's a magic word that lets you stop replying while also saving your ego.

>>712834429
>>712835009
They do have some cool plate rewards ill give them that.

>>712835136
Yeah, some of the plate elements are cool but usually I see people just picking one element from each ultimate and slapping them all together into a garish mess. Ultimatefags are obsessed with telling everyone exactly how many ultimates they've cleared.

>>712834916
>Actual discussion
>/v/
KEKYROFLROOMAOYPOOY!!!

>>712835009
i feel like the only titles that have any clout to them are the ones that aren't for sale and can't be botted. otherwise i find titles that have to do with their character are more interesting

>>712835009
>no World-class Troller
I shiggy diggy

>>712835345
I got that for the adventurer plate

>>712835343
My Wol has red hair and my title is The Red

>>712835445
yeah, stuff like that is the optimal title use imho

>>712833980
Yep. Having fun.

>FFXIV’s current neutral sentiment reflects a fanbase that loves the game but is critical of Dawntrail’s shortcomings. The next expansion (expected 2026) has strong potential to succeed if Square Enix leverages its experience, responds to feedback, and innovates on gameplay and story. While it may not fully replicate Shadowbringers’ and Endwalker’s near-mythic status, it could come close with a compelling narrative and fresh content, maintaining FFXIV’s position as a top MMO. Fans should watch for announcements at 2025’s Fan Festivals for early indications of the expansion’s direction.

>>712835009
>have them all
>still use <Sultanas Shadow> because i've been a Immortal Flames player that started in Udlah for ten years and i'm not changing any time soon.

For coin and country lads. FUCK Twin Adders.

>>712831242
Works on my machine.

anyone else still have people seethe over their Saint of the Firmament sometimes

>>712835589
Giga based fellow flame god

>>712824364
>You loved Emet Selch right? Would you love him as a cute girl?

is there anyone here who actually likes the game or what

>>712835589
Maelstrom reporting
FUCK Twin Badders as well.

>>712835932
I used to like it
not so much nowadays

>>712834173
Pretty funny if genuine

>>712835678
Wish I got it desu. Artisan made the moon titles worthless

>>712834429
I love how many people are driving around in the purple cuck car of the most recent Savage tier in OC. Look like trash but at least I don't have to look at your modern glam wearing fag character.

>>712835932
when i opened my magic shtola starter and looked through the card art i got really sad
the card art does a good job at memorializing a lot of my favorite xiv moments and i just think about what it's become

>>712835932
Yeah, or did you mean to ask "is there anyone here who has no standards and doesn't actually care about the game's survival and just wants to gag on yoshida's cock forever"?

>>712835971
>desert chads X water chads
>Hating forest Duskwiggers.

>>712815826
He was the greatest hero. He saved Alah Migo AND Doma. He was like the Kamina of Gurrenn Lagann, he made the most difficult and important step, the first one, so other could finish the job later.

>>712833980
no. after being a FATEs in instances enjoyer for awhile i was ultra disappointed with these elements:

>knowledge level doesn't do anything
>Forked Tower was discord only in week one
>rez restrictions, only one phantom job that can rez, thrice come ruin and the first mechanic of the first boss being a 24 man body check
>less shit to do than eureka anemos
>phantom job dps is so high that there's literally no reason to not play as a warrior

>>712835932
It is still a very comfy game and I have a lot of fond memories, but with Dawntrail it really feels like they don't want me as customer as someone who doesn't want to engage with Savage; Every Job gets dumbed down for that content and they put out nothing but that. Even casual stuff like occult gets capstoned by a savage forked tower, so even that feels kinda pointless to do. I also don't enjoy the "less reaction time with more hidden safe spots" design they are aggressively using in combat now. The MSQ being on an all time low doesn't help either. I know Yoshida said they are going to try shit for DT and not everyone might be happy, never thought he meant he doesn't want me to play his game any more.

>>712835971
Failstrom
Twin Badders
Immortal Lames
They ALL suck

>>712815826
>Achieved ALL of his goals
>memorable voicelines (SLOPPEH, FER ALA MHEEGO)
>moves the plot forward several times
>caused WoL to dramatically spike in power as he forced them to confront the menace in both Ishgard and Ala Mhigo

>>712835932
MMOs are a modern retelling of the book of Genesis.
The first one you play is total paradise, you're discovering shit, learning the ropes, shamelessly interacting with everyone with a glint in your eye.
It's great.
But then you start getting good, you start minmaxing, you start noticing the patterns in behaviors that piss you off, you start wanting to optimize your time on the game as much as possible.
At this point you've tasted the fruit of knowledge and can never go back.
You know too much, the feelings of starting out your first MMO will never be back and you take that resentment out on the game.
You didn't change, the game did, and that's why you don't enjoy it anymore.
But that's not the truth - FATEs were always useless, endgame was always barren, jobs were always braindead - you just didn't know better at the time.
You can never go back to Eden.

>>712836418
Warrior is fucking cracked in OC, you basically have to try to get killed

>>712833980
Yes im still leveling phantom jobs and opening chests. Im at 12 carrots so far and got the rez title

>>712836185
Feels good not being tied down to some retarded elementals whims doesn't it?
>>712836561
You fucking lost Garlean. You should Quintus yourself. Now.

>>712824728
We desperately need a new femroe on the team. The lack of one is horrendously felt.

>>712836930
my WoL fills in the role

>>712836930
Japs dont like roes

Is this the ideal tank and healer relationship?

Has anyone seen people posting their WoL as hero token alters?

>>712837070
Is that a male viera

>>712824728
Imagine if we got Moenbryda and we went to the Roe island instead of California taco factory. Ishikawa also introduced her. She would've been amazing in SHB if she had lived. Too bad other team members killed her off.

>>712837070
the real relationship is the healer sprinting ahead and then pulling the tank to them with Rescue

>>712835932
Yeah. I still like it and I think 7.2 is the best patch in a long time.

>>712837070
mesugaki lala healer + dumb but cute tank boy

>>712835932
Yeah I still play it aha. Trying to get a Cosmic Explore title.

>>712833980
>>712836418
The reality of what Forked Tower turned out to be killed all my enthusiasm for OC and I have zero hope for the future of OC.
All they had to do... ALL THEY FUCKING HAD TO DO was make another CLL/Dalriada endzone dungeon and it would have been fucking goated, but no, let's make some harder than BA bullshit for the first zone that you can't even queue into and need to be in organized discord groups for, oh and also let's make rezzes limited oh and also let's make it savage tier.

>>712837157
https://youtu.be/9UWuxjtWPUM

>>712837335
be any more of a crybaby and you're throwing yourself out with the bathwater
savage tier lmao

>>712837154
>Ishikawa also introduced her
No she wasn't she was the product of that one guy who's name escapes me at the moment.

>>712837335
>savage tier.

>>712837326
Nice. Good luck with that. I took a break from CE atm. I'm not a big DoH/DoL guy anyway.

>>712837335
BA is just one big gimmick

Motherfuckers will encounter a modicum of pushback and scream that something is savage tier.
Then they'll faceroll everything that doesn't push back at them/has no meaningful consequences for failure as a warrior or something and gloat about how piss easy and baby level everything.

>>712837587
Ishikawa wrote 2.4 where Moenbryda was introduced, as well as Ysayle. Maehiro who wrote 2.5 killed her off (as well as Ysayle in 3.0)

>>712837070
>its futa

>>712837854
forked tower's encounters are jeuno level encounters + body checks + thrice come ruin + rez restrictions

which means its jeuno but you can only attempt a fight once every 1.5-2 hours. calling it savage isn't correct, but it is bullshit

>>712837943
Male hrothgars don't do futas either, only other hairy baras
they are the *hard gay* choice

I haven't complained much about maintenances this expansion, but this one is a bit gay.

>>712811870 (OP)
>Fix the BA problem of getting in with DRS / DR que during Bozja
>for years this works, everyone is pleased
>bring back BA entry for DRS 2 in Occult

TAKE THE MALICIOUS, ABSOLUTELY PURPOSEFUL, MOTHER FUCKER RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS TO DETROIT!

DRS ISN'T EVEN FUCKING POPULAR, SINGLE DIGIT FUCKING OWNERSHIP OF CERBERUS, SO DRS 2 WITH NO CLL OR DALRIADA WAS A BAD IDEA AT INCEPTION, SLAPPING BA ENTRY ONTO IT WHICH IS A UNIVERSALLY HATED GOD DAMN THING ISN'T INCOMPETENCE, IT'S MALICIOUSNESS, THERE IS NO THOUGHT BUBBLE OF "Let's do BA entry again" THAT WOULD SOUND LIKE A GOOD IDEA IN YOUR HEAD, IF YOU WROTE IT DOWN IT WOULD LOOK TERRIBLE, IF YOU SAID IT ALOUD EVERYONE WOULD LOOK AT YOU AS IF A DISTURBED INDIVIDUAL SPOKE! THIS WAS A LITERAL DEAD FUCKING PROBLEM BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE, IT IS A UNDEAD GOD DAMN PROBLEM, WE ALL THOUGHT THIS SHIT WAS BURIED WITH BOZJA 4+ YEARS AGO AND NOW IT'S BACK SHAMBLING TOWARDS US!

WHAT ARE THESE DOUBLE NIGGERS DOING!?

>>712837693
thanks

>>712838150
the usual, people who did well in XIV get pulled to other projects and Yoshi just doesn't give a fuck anymore

>>712838150
so true i was trying to give this game a chance but they ruined it for me with forked tower
i think i'm going to unsub i'm done

>>712837680
>DeltaCHAD
Based and true.

>>712838150
Its intended to be an old school MMO kind of thing
People are supposed to communicate and party up themselves
The problem is modern MMO players are insistent on using 3rd party communication like discord
Its really the players fault, but the devs should have known this is the case

>>712838150
I'm curious if jp is complaining about this too

>>712838457
trvke.

>>712835932
6.0 was the last time I liked FF14, it's just been a downslope of shit since then.
I was massively coping through 6.x patches that they were busy with Dawntrail and the lack of content was the sacrifice we had to make for them going to come out with a banger expansion.
I was wrong, I was so fucking wrong.

>>712838457
old school mmos had large groups of people take on monsters, yes.

but you can't reliably form up a group outside of the instance

>>712836418
>he needs a discord to do FT
JUST PUT A FUNNY PAPER IN. Holy shit you niggers bitch about the dumbest shit.

>>712838527
so tl;dr it's all miserable fags buzzing around a game they don't even like or want to like anymore

>>712838462
They are complaining, on the JP side of the forums it's been a massive shit show with deleted thread after deleted thread complaining about the Occult Crescent.
Pic unrelated.

>>712835932
I love ffxiv, I wish I was at home playing it RIGHT NOW

>>712838462
Why would you ask this place as if there's ever going to be a meaningful answer here.

>>712838695
>so tl;dr you're not allowed to talk about a game if you're not currently playing it
Oh fuck off you're boring mate, I know what you're trying to do, give it over you daft soppy cunt. It's just a game not your mother, so people are shitting on the game, OH NO are you going to cry? I swear some of you have skins so thin I could see your veins.

>>712838552
Yes but most of the time we did stuff in vent, team speak, xfire, or msn to set stuff up. So I don’t even know why folks care about muh discord. Only japs can do content just by going in when it shows up, westerns are bad so you have to set up stuff.

>>712838615
you, sir, are the dumb nigger

you can't go group content alone. the community has decided that Forked Tower is discord only, so as such, it is discord only.

this means that when the 5 (five) minute window for FT is up, you'd best hope there isn't an active CE and there's at least 15 others who decide to go in. but you need 24 to do the first mechanic correctly

>>712838908
>he says all of this shit while he's pissing and moaning about a game he hates and doesn't want to not hate
Hello?

>>712838937
you didn't need outside communication to do CLL, DR or Dalriada, even on day 1

why is FT different

>Yshtola
>25,000 yen
>YoshiP
>10 yen

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>712838940
>join a random group forming naturally in OC
>cant even prog because after 3 wipes the run is over
No reason to queue up if you dont have a organized dico grou
>>712839052
Because the current devs thing hard = good

>>712838940
Just snipe discord groups you stupid nigger, did it in ba and I’m doing it in FT

Maybe everyone pissing their pants about how based BA was and how cool it is to have le funny sphere informed decisions.

>>712838457
>Let's make content that you need to be organized for impossible to organize for

NIGGER I AM WAITING A YEAR, A FUCKING YEAR, FOR OCCULT NORTH HORN TO COME OUT SO I CAN DO FORKED FUCKING TOWER BLOOD IN RELATIVE GOD DAMN PEACE!

HELL I MIGHT NOT EVEN BOTHER FUCKING COMING BACK, THIS IS RIDICULOUS, NOBODY ASKED FOR THIS! THIS IS LITERALLY A PROBLEM FOR PLAYERS TRYING TO COMMUNICATE AND GROUP UP, THAT IS THE PROBLEM!

I CAN'T PUT THIS SHIT TOGETHER WITH PARTY FINDER IN GAME, I CAN DO THAT FOR DRS AND DR BUT NOT BLOOD TOWER! ALL THE OLD BA PROBLEMS BACK AGAIN, LITERAL NOSTALGIA PROBLEMS!

>>712839198
you have to join the discord to know when discord runs are appearing

you are a retard

They'll probably nerf FT or make it easier to organize or enter randomly. Shit has a TT card and an exclusive field note after all. They intended for more people to clear it.

>>712839198
They'll just refuse to raise you, they will literally just leave you on the floor to rot if you're not part of their run

>just snipe a portal
>only 5 people signed up for the tower

i hope they learn something from this, but i know they won't

wat do now during maintenance hours?

>>712839467
this thread doesn't play the game. only complains about it. you'll have to ask someone who does

>>712838615
And the other 47 people?

>>712839450
I've not played the Crescent I would need to be subbed to do that but isn't it because the instance is locked to 72 players and you need 48 for Forked Tower?
Is that right?
I remember Bojza where you could get 10 people if they were really good to do the first Bojzan raid, 5 up the top of the ladders, 5 down below and I know it was recommended for more but I liked that kind of system Bojza had.

>>712837070
artist?

>>712839584
the instance is locked to 72, forked tower caps at 48. since the community has decided its discord only, no one bothers pugging it. especially since its well known that the first mechanic of the first boss requires 24, despite the minimum being 16 to get in.

you also have to pay an item to get in (doesn't take much) and you get exactly 1 attempt, as if you release from your body you appear back at base, deleveled and unable to join Forked Tower again without releveleing

>>712839540
i think i'll just get hammered and play l4d2 or something

I don't know what to feel about the Mamool Ja quests.
I don't absolutely loathe it like the Pelupelu, but it just... doesn't hit a chord.
I guess that moment where Ack Lamat's father says he won't forgive Mamook so easily but doesn't want to get in between his people if they want to give Mamook a chance is kinda cool. Part of me wanted to gripe how easily they would get off scot free, but Omicron did that as well and I loved that tribe.

>>712839797
Getting locked out of content after winning the lottery to get in is really appealing to the devs for some reason

>>712839584
You need 16 (1st boss has a mechanic that needs 24 unless you tank invuln it but whatever) and those 16 need to spend currency earned in game to obtain an item that allows entry, probably about 30m of farming silver or 20m farming gold with a good min/max group.

Everyone after those 16 can get in for free, so if 16 don't spend dosh nobody gets in. You can spend extra items to get in (like sniping portals in BA with the STAB) if more than 48 sign up but...nobody signs up for this.

It's DRS2 but with a worse BA entry since it's not free.

>>712839797
Yeah that sounds fucking awful to pug, I'm a solo player and for me Bojza was really great I thought. Pretty easy to join groups. I did go through all of Eureka and had to do the discord thing to get BA done, but I really didn't want to do that again for OC.
Also being locked to 72 to an instance, that sounds really bad. If you need at least 24 for the first mechanic that means a bunch of people around 1/3 to 1/2 of the instance are going to quit the Foray to go into the instance of Occult Crescent leaving the instance dead for the Fates popping off.

heavensward? what the fuck is a sward? do they mean sword?

>>712839893
it wasn't that interesting but it wasn't offensively bland like the pelu quests were. you were at least solving an actual problem

>>712839238
BA was great but it was already improved upon by DR/DRS. It wasn't great because of the shitty system for getting inside, which requires outside organization but then doesn't allow you to even do that effectively while the content is active because you have to try and brute force your entire raid into the same instance, which can take a fucking hour to do. It was great because it was an actual raid with a big area full of traps and puzzles and trash enemies that are actually dangerous for once if not managed properly.

>Enter OC instance
>FT in progress
>The remaining people arent doing fates or CEs
Cursed as hell

>>712840056
No it's ward as in for-ward Heavensward as in looking to the Heavens.

i want more of these 2

>>712839893
>Took the Mamool jas decades to learn to plant different crops

>>712840187
I just really hate the Pelus.
Might be that I'm more willing to excuse the Mamool Ja.
I hope the crafting tribe is at least somewhat good. If it's Moblins I'm probably not even trying.

>>712839893
I was immediately disheartened when, immediately upon starting the questline, they thrust a flaming homosexual mamool ja in my face.
Seriously, wtf man