Thread 713060676

ban steam charts threads

>>713060676 (OP)
This is how many players every specific genre has. The fact that modern slop get 100x that is the main cause of shitty games. We should get back to making game for specific audiences instead of appealing to everyone (no one)

>>713060676 (OP)
So basically you can play SF6 or Slippi; everything else is dead. That's grim.

>>713060676 (OP)
>just buyeded mortal kombat x
fug.... it's the single player good enough?

As long as there are 2 autists willing to fight each other fightan will not die.

Where's Brawlhalla?

>>713060676 (OP)
You guys are missing out on the most important thing here.
Other than Granblue, every single game on this list is a traditional franchise. Every single one of those has been building up a playerbase since the '90s.

Trying to break into this genre is basically impossible. You're competing for a very tiny player base, said playerbase is composed of people long entranched/tribalized on their favorite IPs, and you have to do so as a no-name franchise.

>>713063165
Eh even popular stuff like the f2p vtuber game have it hard.

If the game is interesting enough it can pop (at least for a time like Skullgirls).

>>713063165
There's also Rivals of Aether 2, but that series is approaching 10 years old

>>713063165
Granblue isn't. Even the original gacha is much younger than any of those other franchises.

>>713063165
That's because of baby duck syndrome. When someone manages to learn a single fightig game on a decent level, they usually develop a subconscious expectation that every other fighting game should function the same or at least similar enough. If it doesn't, they get frustrated. Everyone sticks to their favorite series because autists don't like change and autism is required for those games in the first place.

>>713060676 (OP)
>ultra competitive games where you cant blame your teammates
>dead
this is why they are not making arena shooters anymore
fighting games are still alive because of nostalgia and coomers

>>713060676 (OP)
so the only one that is actually alive is sf6 tekken is on the down swing

>>713065173
well why couldn't arena shooters live on in a team format? it's not just the blame thing, it's technical skill that normies lack. hence why ultra-watered-down FPS like counter strike are popular.

>>713060676 (OP)
fighting games were never meant to be played online. they're a relic of the past when you physical went to arcades to play your friends.

>>713064207
>don't like change
Change for the sake of change isn't good
The same move sequence you have muscle memory of and can execute blindfolded? We're changing the inputs in our next entry, enjoy Taken 10 / Strat Fighter entry # 200

>>713060676 (OP)
You only need two people to play a match, 30 on at once is already more than enough players

>>713067457
matchmaking exists so in general, the higher you go, the smaller the ranking pop is

>>713060676 (OP)
>Yeah bro not a dead genre that was completly killed by simpler inputs, dumber gameplay and shortcuts.
>Totally, unc is always wrong, Guilty Gear is more popular than ever.

Good, let it ROT

>>713060676 (OP)
SF6 is top 5 fighting games of all time, incredible that we got it. Pure kami6

>>713061720
There’s also Plus R. Haven’t played anything else lately so I don’t know about the rest.

>>713068178
>>Yeah bro not a dead genre that was completly killed by simpler inputs, dumber gameplay and shortcuts.
Yeah it must be that not because the 3k spergs cant help but shark around lower rank to stomp worse players..

>>713061728
Its passable. Probably the last decent thing NRS did honestly even if the game looks like shit.

>>713063165
While true, SF6 and Strive, regardless of how anyone feels about them as games, were exceptional in drawing in new players.

>>713065292
>so the only one that is actually alive is sf6
I'd say Granblue numbers are the cutoff line IF your game has crossplay (which I believe all of them do).

>>713068178
>Guilty Gear is more popular than ever.
This is true though

>>713063165
you say that but Soul Calibur is dead, literally the best fighting game ever, not just one but 3 times.

Fighting games evolved nowhere, all they are doing is trying to appease to casuals.
Fighting game autist went so far to call Beat em up and platform fighter a different genre because nobody is allowed to derivate from 2 guys fighting combo based with auto lock on.

>>713070082
Its because Soul Calibur attracted a similar audience to MK: people who will buy the game on release, dick around with it for a little while, and then never touch it again.
No one bought SC6's dlc. That's why its dead.

>mk11 has more players than mk1
will never not be funny

>>713070250
MK11 was already dogwater so the fact that MK1 couldn't even top that is astonishing.

>>713069930
In the west on twitter maybe

>>713070783
Strive is their second best selling game of all time anon. You can cope as much as you want, it isn't stopping Strive from getting a 5th season lol

>>713060676 (OP)
Play KOFXV

>>713060676 (OP)
They have more players than ever so...
>>713070082
You are an absolute fucking retard

>>713072242
seething nonce fighting nigger

>>713072658
only one seething here is you sctroon

>>713070082
maybe it's because they are completely different genres tho ?

>>713072658
>SC faggot
>Retarded
Never fails

>>713073240
*fighting game retards
you think I play this turd of a genre, samefag

>>713060676 (OP)
Most people will tell less dedicated players to just play the latest SF, Tekken, or Strive, and ignore everything below them because the genre is too niche to sustain all these games. You can find random matches all the way down to where Granblue's player count is. Below that, it gets difficult and you probably will need to hit up a game's community discord at some point.

>>713073365
>still seething
lmao

>>713073365
>glazes soulcaliturd
>you think I play this turd of a genre

pick one

>>713070190
>Its because Soul Calibur attracted a similar audience to MK: people who will buy the game on release, dick around with it for a little while, and then never touch it again.
That's every fighting game, every single one. Their peak player numbers are always on release day or very close to it.
>No one bought SC6's dlc. That's why its dead.
>be Bamco
>cut out characters from the base game to sell them as DLC
>SC player base refuses to fall for this scam
>it's somehow the players' fault that the series is dead.
Siegfried, Nightmare or Mitsurugi (base roster) have more new mechanics than Tira (DLC). She was a base roster character in SoulCalibur V. I apologize on behalf of all SC players for being smarter than other fighting game communities and refusing to support anti-consumer practices that will mess up this industry further and further until they're checked.

>>713060676 (OP)
>sf6
drive rush meme shit
>tekken 8
harada ruining the game on purpose because he hates the players, high damage one-touch shit
>strive
Unironically a safe haven for trannies, high damage unga bunga monkey shit
>MK11
lol what even
>MK1
lol what even
>DBZ
Arcsys is fucking shit and they fucked up dbz marvel somehow
>granblue
66L light dash attack spam mash shit, blue screen freeze attacks bullshit approved by a guy with down syndrome
>T7
dead
>MKX
lol what even
>UMvC3
fun game but only if you play it offline at an actual tournament, it never pretended it was anything other than retarded shit but it was fun retarded shit
Fighting games are fucking shit and have been shit for decades.

>>713073836
hop on fightcade then

>>713074158
nta
Fightcade is a terrible advice if you're not going to play 3rd impact

>>713073705
Reminder that Tira was a fucking DAY ONE DLC character
Also the game was bugged to shit for more than a month, the online was the worst experience ever and the story was very bleh
>t. top 10 Cervantes and Ivy on release

Reminder that casualizing the games killed the genre.

>>713074214
or kof, or garou, or jojo, or street fighter 2

but also why would you need any other game than third strike

>>713061093
fpbp

>>713073705
>That's every fighting game, every single one.
Yes but other fighters that sell roughly the same as Soul Calibur actually manage to keep a playerbase big enough to not have to use discord.
That’s why SC and MK are similar. They will sell millions of copies to a 99% tourist fanbase as opposed to like 85%

>>713074659
Except AoE2 DE is casual as shit compared to SC

12 days until Absa

>>713075278
We are talking about FG here

>>713060676 (OP)
>Unless your game has Fortnight numbers its a dead genre.
>Starts doing the fortnight dance. Proceeds to go to the other room to beg his parents to buy him more V-Bux

>>713060676 (OP)
Where's city of the wolves

>>713075437
She's the next free dlc character. I forget you can't be posting furry girls without full context, since They are quite triggerhappy.

>>713075521
It is the 17th most played fighting game on Steam right now, between VF5 Revo and UMvC3

>>713075521
already with less players than kofxv, sf4 and blazblue.

>>713075537
Yeah fighting games not party games

>>713075678
Why aren't the Ronaldinho fans playing?

>>713075847
Because they dont play games other than Fifa or Pro Evolution.

>>713075537
We are talking about FGs here

>>713075847
They are busy with games that actually have motion imputs and don't dumb them down with modern and autocombos

>>713060676 (OP)
it's a genre where people try to get others into it so they have an easy punching bag to play against.

>>713076109
>They are busy with games that actually have motion imputs and don't dumb them down with modern and autocombos
Don't exist anymore, fightan doens't exist anymore.

>>713076223
In the games that are decently well populated (Granblue and above) you will always have other shitters to play against at your level.
That is why those games manage to attract newcomers

>>713076359
>Granblue
Casual games attract no one, stop lying.

>>713076264
You didn't get it
Thus, you are retarded

>>713076561
>over 1k 24 hour peak
>has cross play
You can absolutely find a horde of D and C rank shitters to play against anon. I’ve seen it with my own eyes

As a MarvelGOD, I am only waiting for Tokon and hoping that Bloom voices Cap in the dub.

>>713076561
>Casual games attract no one, stop lying.
Anon literally every fighting game that isn’t a discord fighter is a casual game.
You…you don’t actually think SF6 or T8 are more complex than Granblue do you?

>>713076829
If you were a MarvelGOD you would be boycotting Strive 2

>>713076837
>Anon literally every fighting game that isn’t a discord fighter is a casual game.

All fighting games except for SF6 are discordfighters because they got casualized.

The audacity of those grubblers
No your game isn't alive
Yes tekken and sf6 takes more skill

>>713060676 (OP)
Those retarded devs continue to listen to the Faggot Game Community (FGC) and that's why they fail. Even if they sell more now due to there being many more retarded consumers buying their slop, the games are completely soulless.

>>713076878
Do you even play fighting games? Because it sounds like you’re just saying words you’ve heard but don’t actually understand.

>>713076908
Granblue is obviously alive lol
No slime rush into throw loop or…whatever the fuck is going on with T8 right now do not take more skill

>>713076920
They did the opposite, actually. When they were listening to the FGC it led to Jive and MvCI. 2XKO is another “listen to the FGC” game and it’s looking like a trainwreck at this point.
When they stopped listening to it the games started selling more. Never, ever listen to hardcore players when making games. They care about the most asinine shit imaginable.

>>713076875
Silence CapKEK.

>>713076969
You have blue slime and 66l slime rush shut the fuck up brownoid esl subhuman

>>713077072
>he has faith in modern arcsys
You are not ready for the horde of elder millennials that are going to fucking annihilate Tokon for not playing like MvC.

>>713077152
>throws you
what now dixer?

>>713076925
Yes. Were you even alive when SFIV revived the genre? Cause you sure sound like a massive faggot

>>713077181
shouldnt they be in a retirement home rather than playing video games

>>713077306
Yes and I know what a discord fighter actually is and that you’re retarded if you think fighting games sales have gotten worse and not better since post-casualization.

>>713077307
Shouldn't you be stealing something instead of posting in 4chan?

>>713077384
>fighting games sales have gotten worse
I never said that. Why are you being so disingenuous? I don't care for SP and most of the people online don't either. The genre is dead, forever to be a casual SP slop

>>713077181
>thinking that I give a shit about their opinion
Kek.

>>713077181
I saw that tweet too faggot and it just demonstrates just how much of a bubble the FGC is. Those “Elder Millennials” last played MvC2 when they were in elementary school. They liked seeing Spiderman and Magneto fight along side some weirdo Capcom characters some of them had heard about from a friend before. They do not give a fuck about how MAHVEL is meant to be played. They just liked it for being a cool looking and fun game with their friends where they probably didn’t even know 2/3rds of the move list.
They’re gonna eat up Tokon purely on its visual spectacle.

>>713077456
You said that every fighter except SF6 is a discord fighter because they got casualized. You are a blithering retard if you think everyone playing Strive or Granblue or even DBFZ is playing fucking *singleplayer*.
Good lord man you are totally out of touch.

>>713077662
>Good lord man you are totally out of touch.

>>713077747
Yes we’ve all seen that chart anon that does not actually say that Strivers or Grubs are playing singleplayer content. Everyone playing those games is either online or in training mode.

Remedial genre for blacks

>>713060676 (OP)

execution floor too high

>>713077807
Games sell millions then the Multiplayer turns into a wasteland because they are casualized and boring.

You can't argue agains't this, it's reality. No amount of shitting and pissing your pants is going to increase granblue or dogshit Z triple digit playercount.

>>713077896
>Multiplayer turns into a wasteland because they are casualized and boring.
The games had way worse player retention when they were “le hardcore”, largely because of dogshit netcode.
>You can't argue agains't this, it's reality
Except you can because instead of developers relying on ten arcade revisions they’ve completed shifted to console/pc sales + DLC.
>No amount of shitting and pissing your pants is going to increase granblue or dogshit Z triple digit playercount.
That’s still about ten times as many players as whatever the fuck you think old fighters were getting lmao

>>713078361
>The games had way worse player retention when they were “le hardcore”, largely because of dogshit netcode.
They didn't. The player count only dropped when SFV killed SF, it's obvious that you are delusional and entangled in a way or another with the modern FGC or you wish to be a part of that group of people

i only enjoy quake, ut, and old fighting games

>>713078807
And what other boomer posercore stuff bro? Shmups? Vanilla wow? Brood war?

>>713078869
>Shmups? Vanilla wow? Brood war?
no, no and no

>>713078607
>They didn't.
They did, actually. No one wanted to do shitty ass 7F delay netplay that made you want to barf. Everyone either went to locals or just played with their friends. You were not playing SSF4 online with any semblance of quality.
>The player count only dropped when SFV killed SF
The player count dropped because, lo and behold, SFV had terrible netcode too (on top of having a godawful release). Funny that SF6 is arguably even more causal than V yet has incredible player retention. I wonder why that is?
>it's obvious that you are delusional and entangled in a way or another with the modern FGC or you wish to be a part of that group of people
The projection is off the charts lmao. You are not some oldfag like you’re pretending to be

>>713078807
play openfortress

>>713079079
Open wound fortress*

>>713060676 (OP)
>Play fighting game
>Out matched because the game is dead and LinnesFeetSweat88 has 5909 games to my 5 (all losses)
>Get murdered, one and done because I'm worth no rank points in a mismatch and I'm a training dummy for casual/room lobby matches.
>Learn nothing
>Fuck fighting games.
Not a single one is fun.

>>713079434
>keep calm and remind myself it's a game
>be polite and ask players questions
>go to beginner channels in chatrooms so i can find suitable sparring partners
>keep my goals reasonable and focus on improving
>get plenty of sleep, water, and exercise
Wow! All of them are fun now!

>>713079434
If you don‘t pick the game up around launch, don‘t bother

>>713079508
N-no you can't do that!!!!! Y-you never gonna win any tournaments anyway!!!

>>713079434
Play SF, not anime fighters that struggle to maintain 200 players.

>>713079606
>fighters that struggle to maintain 200 players
That's slop fighter games the nanosecond they stop getting updated

>>713078607
>SF4 average player count: between 200-1000 players from 2012-2016
>SFV average player player count: between 1k-3k from 2016-2023
>SF6 average player count: between 11k-17k from 2023-now
This is steamcharts data. Seems to prove that it’s only gotten more popular, not less. For fun, here are some other series!
>Tekken 7 average player count: 1k-5k from 2017-2024
>Tekken 8 average player count: 5k-8k from 2024-now (obviously the disastrous patch has hurt the game)
>Guilty Gear Rev 2 average player count: 150-500 from 2017-2021
>Guilty Gear Strive average player count: 2k-3k from 2021-now
>Granblue Fantasy Versus average player count: 50-200 from 2020-2024
>Granblue Fantasy Versus Rising average player count: 500-800 from 2024-now
Seems like fighters have demonstrably gotten more popular across the board, not less.

>>713079606
Central Fiction is still worth playing imo

>>713079901
He doesn't have the patience for it.

>>713060676 (OP)
Surprised strive numbers are so low, I thought they were huge due to how the community is online

>Learn fighting game
>Get way better than my normie friends
>Don't have time/motivation to grind to competitive level
>Either always win or always lose, it's no fun anymore
Every time. I don't have much fun playing online, and playing IRL isn't fun for the above reasons

>>713079901
Saar the skill checkerinos SAAARRR

>>713079985
It peaked at 10k on the last DLC release
GG in general attracts the highest number of annoying posers

>>713079985
This has actually been one of the worst string of averages Strive has had in a long while. It was averaging close to 3k players a day last year, now it’s closer to 1.5k to 2k.
I think Season 4 has been a big “meh” for a lot of people. Dizzy was a seller on it but Venom was always niche, Unika is a nothing gorllia, and they fell for the guest meme with Lucy.
If Season 5 does happen and has Jam, Raven, Robo-Ky, and Zappa on it people would go fucking nuts though. I think it can pick up.

>>713080226
Isn't Robo-Ky just a reskin though, does he deserve a slot?

>>713080327
Striver

>>713080327
Nobody "deserves" a slot in Strive since all that entails is removing every shred of identity from their kit and exposing the character to an unwashed audience that knows basically nothing about any game in the series before Strive.

>>713060676 (OP)
too many try hards impossible to have fun if you only want to play a few matches a week

>>713080467
Calm down boomer

>>713080226
There's still no 4.5 patch and S4 introduced a bunch of annoying stuff that probably a lot of people want out (Potemkin becoming top tier, GL buffed w/ security cancels, Sin buffed, Ram giga-buffed into being even more annoying)
Dizzy also was a wet fart, her kit is weird and she's still buggy.
>Robo-Ky
Never getting a slot, he's part of Venom's kit now (whacks the opponent on throw, shoots a rocket at the end of Dark Angel on hit)

>>713080467
Only airdasher autismos believe this. Everyone else still sees Strive as a crazy anime game just more accessible than the retarded nonsense of Xrd or Blazblue

>>713080479
This isn't a problem with just fighting games though, even fucking Mario Kart is getting to the point where online is dominated by sweats

>>713070848
Strive can get as many seasons as it wants sis, but there's a reason it needed a recognized title to sell.

>>713080727
There is nobody who is retarded enough to think that outside of strive players

I'm sick of 2D slop. We need more arena fighters that aren't just anime franchise cash grabs, we need a new For Honor / Absolver and the next smash should be fully 3D.

>>713081253
You have 2 boomer 3dsloppa games in new capcom collection

>>713079508
>Ask players questions and even take that dead game step to hit the Discord
>Just like around here
>Gut gud / that's basic stuff you're having trouble with that??? / lol
Fruitless. Reading framedata does noting when the skill gap is this decisive.
>Remind myself that it's a game
Yep. Which is why I'm quick to let em go when I realize arcade mode will be the only fun.
>Keep goals reasonable and focus on improving
I always either pick a character too hard or a bad one, get told that, continue on, hit a brick wall and crash. Can't improve if I'm boxed up and thrown in a trash compactor 100% of the time. I could have a simple goal like
>Complete combo trials
And get absolutely filtered before touching the online and have to ask if it's worth bothering.
>Sleep, water, exercise
Unrelated to the game but I love sleep, hydration, and moving about.

>>713060676 (OP)
12,000 people for a 1v1 fighting game is very much alive.

>>713070250
I don't know a single person that played MK1 let alone says it's good

>>713075021
Nobody cares about gookclick anymore.

>>713078807
Ok poser

>>713079508
Lmao holy shit, kill yourself

>>713076829
>As a MarvelGOD
>Tokon
Lmao. That said I do hope it's as retarded as DBFZ at least.
It wasn't a good game but it was fun and that's what a marvel game needs to be. But we are talking about arcsys here, so my expectations are below 0.

>>713079985
Strive's community is a bridget fandom, 90% of them you see don't play.

fighting games are cool :)

Glory to brisket

>>713080467
>Kum Haehyun, my Xrd Rev2 main, was leaked for Strive
I have a GREAT FEAR

>>713060676 (OP)
You can fight only one player at a time, anon. Let me guess, you need more?

>>713087641
>leaked
She's in the files because she was used to prototype ABA
Leak also includes prototype Slayer which uses Answer and prototype Dizzy which uses Raven

Japs rike gaem

>>713087906
I can understand using a placeholder for ABA since she didn't have a 3D model but why not rig Dizzy's and Slayer's Xrd models to the animations for testing instead of Raven's and Answer's?

>>713087745
The problem is that fighting games have little rng so fighting someone with even a small skill gap is pointless for both players. Most genres aren‘t like this

>>713088082
One option could be that they were trying to prevent leaks by not having any visually exploitable footage
Another option is that it's really funny

>>713088404
posting the Dizzy(Raven) WIP while I'm at it

Robo Ky not being playable in Strive is acceptable. The game takes place like three weeks after he blew himself up. Robo Ky not being playable in Revelator, however, was a wasted opportunity considering how important he was to the story.

these companies should make adventure/action games with their fighting game characters/franchises. I'm tired of nu-fighting games

Blud thinks some dogshit literaly who character like kum gonna take a spot in next season

>Kum spelled backwards
Holy shit /v/ros...

Cum in kum

>>713075021
It's also actually fun.

>>713075678
COTW lost even to VF? Amazing...

What slots are picking for s5, fellow Strivers?

>>713076109
>those motion input lists individually showing each direction you have to press
Hate that shit. If you need a half circle, just show a half circle symbol. Goddamn.

>>713090030
Obama
Gabriel
Sharon
Ragna (crossover)

>>713076878
SF6 is the most casualized the franchise has ever been though
The distance between the best and worst players is the smallest it has ever been
Since that's what complexity/depth does, it makes the gap between the veterans and newbies bigger since there's more to learn and master
Whereas casualization is the opposite
SF6 alone is proof that casualization is not what kills fightans

>>713090030
ronaldo
nicki minaj
mai (from snk)
jin (from teken)

>>713076837
Zoomers have no clue what an actual discord fighter is lmao

>>713079805
Meanwhile:
>SF2 sales: 30 million
>SF4 sales: 10 million
>SF6 sales: 5 million
But keep telling yourself that the genre is doing well because more people keep coming over from consoles to PC and tryharding in tournaments.

>>713076561
>Casual games attract no one
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games
Casual games are the most popular type of game. 90% of players will not play non-casual games.

>>713076837
True. Big fighting games enjoy the snowball effect advantage. People keep playing them because they can always match with someone who's worse at the game and win.

>>713087949
its gonna get even more baby mode controls option so even more bugmen will jump on

I never understood why people firmly believe that low ranks in these games are filled with a ton of smurfs. Occasionally you'll fight a guy climbing the ranks fast but for the most part these games do a good job of keeping you where you're supposed to be. The only games where this is really a problem are niche anime games, I learned unist by fighting the same couple of guys every night. A guy hitting you with a combo does not mean he's a smurf, he just knows how to do a combo.

>>713088136
This is why those games keep dying, ultimately. Segregating the player base along skill level and matchup difficulty is one hell of a way to fracture an already small community. Modern fighters get casualized to prevent that from happening. There are more pure 50/50 situations to make victories more random and every character plays the same to reduce matchup (dis)advantages. That the best way for these games to retain players is to make them more homogenized and less interesting shows that the basic concept of the genre is flawed in of itself.

>>713091243
SF4 made 10 million over 5 years, and that with releasing multiple new versions of the game. SF6 has made 5 million in 2 years. Seems good enough to me.

I thought Tekken 7 was averaging like 10k a day prior to the release of 8. Namco fucked up

>>713092202
It's a massive misconception that all of the difficulty of fighting games comes from doing combos. No matter how people try they can't seem to get it out of their head

>>713092202
That's absoletely the case in anything that has less than 1000 people playing.

>>713060676 (OP)
Granblue and Dragonball are doing pretty good I'm kind of surprised. I thought they haven't gotten and updates in a while?

>>713060676 (OP)
Something's wrong with that chart I don't see KoF15 or CotW

>>713092981
Pretty sure UNI has more players than those dead games

>>713090030
Fanny
Erica
Zato-TWO
Janis

>>713092747
DBFZ is not getting any updates anymore, GBVSR is still getting updated and just got a new character

>>713093101
Uni2 is lower than COTW but not by much, COTW flopped hard for how much the game got shilled everywhere

>>713092530
If it was combos that were the difficulty then these games would be easy and casuals would be all over them. The actual skills needed to get good at fightans are far harder to explain, and can only really be trained through endless matches. There's absolutely nothing that beats just dumping loads of hours into a game when it comes to getting better at it. Even if you aren't autistically trying to figure out what's the optimal way to play and looking up knowledge online, those matches will do work and the next time you play after a 10 hour session you will see the difference. That's why there's plenty of great new young players popping up- they have lots of free time.

>>713092530
The real difficulty isn't the combos because anyone can just repeat the same button presses ad nauseaum until they can do them consistenty. The real difficulty is observing your opponent, hit confirms, reacting correctly to reactable moves and guessing correctly on 50/50s based on their choice history. Of course, all of this is assuming that someone already knows what beats what in any given situation. This genre is not accessible for most people, it takes hours upon hours to learn those things even if you lab autistically, and good luck if you don't. A lot of people are going to get filtered because their hand-eye coordination isn't good enough or because they keep misjudging range. These abilities are genetic, btw. An average person has no business buying or trying to learn any fighting game.

Why’s it called King of Fighters if you can’t become the king of fighters since you have to use a team? Dumbest mechanic I ever seen.

>People excited for Tokon
>Sajam makes 5 hour stream baseding and cumming about how it'll be strive 2 and if you don't like that you're a bigot
>No one likes Tokon anymore
Based SAJAM killing the hype for a game so quick.

>>713093626
no it was jiyuna saying that he isnt hyped and you should play blazblue or melty instead

>>713093626
A tag fighter will never be mainstream for a long time

>>713093742
It's not even that.
SAJAM is just a fag who acts smug for being objectively wrong.

>>713093695
It's insane how Jiyuna is basically the Alex Jones of the fightan community

>>713093695
He’s right but you could say that for anything recent

>>713067094
CTF and 2v2 and 4v4 TDM already exist and were played competitively yet it's still Duel that people think of

>>713093923
>Alex Jones of the fightan community
thats clayton

>>713093626
I hate how insufferable Sajam has become. He's always been a tool but he was tolerable before.

cotw isnt fun

>>713060676 (OP)
>TFW Fighting Games make /v/fags seethe because this one genre they can't shit up

>>713095854
cotw isn't a fighting game.

>>713096043
>the one genre they can't shit up
ENTER (the far more unaccessible vidya)

The only dead fighting games are either the ones with 0 players or the ones where the playerbase absolutely refuses to engage with the ingame matchmaking system.
If I try to queue up for +R right now I'll get a match in a few seconds whereas UNIfags prefer to beg on discord than to queue up. Nothing against UNI, but that community is dogshit.

>>713061093
>I can't handle objective facts, they go against my head cannon
Ngmi

>>713061720
Is slippi that active? i hate smash but maybe ill give it a shot

>>713079985
>Talk about GG and select my favorite character Baiken.
>Load up the game play one game and lose because she's hard
>Proceed to go post more about GG and Baiken
It's one of those types of games where the fanbase doesn't actually play the game and if they do they're terrible at it.

>>713096534
Think it comes from where you really did need discord for old Melty, so they all stay in their discords now. Community also got infested with tourists that get mad if you like a loli character even though they’re loli games. I can usually find some players in uni2 ranked.

>>713096224
how do i turn on modern controls in this

>>713096534
record webm of yourself doing so

>>713096879
Yeah sure the players have some weird relation with discord since its conception, but what makes someone want to notify a thousand people server to get a single set with someone who might not even be that interested?
Also if you get ranked matches regularly then you're lucky. I just tried yesterday with no filters on and got nothing after one hour straight.

>>713060676 (OP)
Fighting games are so fucking boring. The only one who could make it interesting would be if dsp came back. Also, let's not forget about whitey coming in and shooting everyone for raging their small dicks off. Fighting games are filled with nothing but boring, ragefilled incel losers who murder others because they don't go to therapy.

>>713061093
Fpbp
>>713096614
Im here to talk about the contents of vidya, not the marketing or sales numbers

>>713098432
You're thinking of madden. Can't even get the genre right you tourist faggot.

>>713096879
pretty sure uni matchmaking used to be broken

>>713060676 (OP)
MAHVEL will save the genre, just like they did with hero shooters.

>>713060676 (OP)
>try to get into fighting games
>700 combos and those are just the basic ones
>spend $1200 on a nice fight stick
>spend 2800 hours learning the game and another 3000 hours learning all of the 120000 combos
>finally feel confident enough to hop into online play
>instantly lose becasue you moved left 1 degree instead of right .5 degrees

Why doesn't anyone play our games?

>>713098347
Might be when I play, but are you trying custom search where you see a list of people? Seems better than normal queue. I usually see a few there or I have to wait in training mode for a bit. Usually takes around 10 minutes if I wait.

>>713096784
slippi can succa ma dicci

>>713098917
You practiced combos too much and not movement and neutral. You should make do with simpler combos while learning those.

>try to get fighting games
>get raped

how could this happen

>>713060676 (OP)
its what happens when you have a game that needs you to practice to get good rather than just sink hours into matches to pass the time after you get home from work or school.

>>713098917
Just learn 1 (one combo) and spam it.

>>713060676 (OP)
A fighting game is 1v1 and can thrive with a very small playerbase.

I realized all the fgc content creators I follow no longer plays strive lmfao

>>713099627
>strive
ew thats so 2021 unc

>>713098917
The main problem is that videogame discussion is filled with non players who parrot made up scenarios said by other non players.
>combos
Either just use your BnBs or play a grappler. Don't want to combo? Cancel your normals into specials like standing HP into DP
>fight stick
The latest evo champion is a pad player
>2800 hours to learn combos
10 minutes to learn a midscreen combo, 10 minutes to learn a corner combo. SF6? 10 minutes to learn a DI combo, 10 minutes to learn a DR extended combo. 40 minutes, 4 combos if you're slow.
>degrees
Dunno what the hell you're talking about

>>713064207
100% true. Though I guess my first fightan was MK3, but after SF4 ill never play a fightan other than sf

>>713099283
You accepted a match against Faust

When the FUCK are they adding rollback to MvC3

>>713096534
I play UNI and avoid communication with the western community as much as possible.
Here's hoping Japan takes EVO again this year.

>>713096534
It's because French Bread games have a history of horrible online all the way up to the first month of UNI2. You can still occasionally find people in ranked if you're American or Japanese.

>>713100191
One of the walds around here has 4 million RP so there's definitely people on ranked to accrue that many points.

>>713060676 (OP)
>No KOF 15
>No COTW even though it only just released not even 2 months ago
>Both under a 10+ year old game
It's over for SNK, isn't it?

>>713098917
>I'm not good so that means game bad

>>713099627
>he follows fgc content creators
The only thing a man needs is the wikis and some old articles

I wonder if gg community still exist if strive never existed but continuation of xrd with strive characters and returning characters

>>713101309
Look at the rest of the anime fighting game communities to see that it would still morph into what you see today, only not nearly as popular.

>>713101309
Probably just not as big of a community, though a decent part of the community doesn’t even play strive. I’d say it’d get a bit more than Granblue does now. Guilty Gear was always one of the more popular anime games.

>>713098917
>spend $1200 on a nice fight stick
You either get a good pad or a good leverless (which is a lot cheaper than a stick)
Stick is the slowest option to play with. Literally the only advantages it has are intuitiveness when doing motion inputs and the simplicity of doing a diagonal input. (Just move the stick to the corner, compared to pad where if you don't have an eight-directional dpad you have to press two directions at once, and also leverless where you have to press two buttons at once) But those are so small they're basically nil compared to advantages of pad and leverless.

zoomers and companies killed compatitive mulitplayers, fighting games are now worthless.

This thread will be bumped for 12 hours by some insane nigger without a job

>>713101723
How are they worth less than before?

>>713101887
They used to be fun and a social event. Now they are unfun, full of shitty people and sponsors.

>>713101291
but its cool when people talk about fighting games. I always like watching insightful match analysis videos.

>>713101996
At like evo? You could try smaller events.

>>713102016
>posts TAS sloppa

>>713101996
Support your locals.

>>713070154
I just hold my shield up because I don't want to fat roll, if souls games are rollslop why can they be played without rolling? Is ocarina of time rollslop then? I came to souls games after twilight Princess and love em, fuck those action games with flashy anime combo meter nonsense

>>713077181
>>he has faith in modern arcsys
So, should he have faith in modern Capcom instead?
Have you not seen the last fighting game they shat out?

>>713070190
SC6 also had ASS netcode and matchmaking

>>713096534
gonna queue up for a Uni and see how long it takes to get a match, brb

>>713103028
>lunchtime on a weekday
I figure you won't get as many bites as you would like 6 hours later but the EUs do tend to play the game too.

>>713103028
>>713103076
got one lmao

>>713103112
Now win

>>713103112
DEAD GAME
DEAD GAME
DEAD GAME

>>713103112
it was me sniping you

On the topic of uni, how are Merkava and Carmine in the current patch?

>>713103259
okish and still good

Slaves should've been killed

>>713103259
Carmine's FF is now even stronger now that it pops you up instead of keeping you grounded if you weren't already launched.
Merk is still unexplored territory in the west from what I see. People still don't play him nearly as much but he received a buff where his worms don't disappear when he's put into blockstun which was formerly his vorpal trait.

>>713080878
>needed a recognized title to sell
Lmao no one gave a shit about the guilty gear title when it came strive's success. Xrd was an unpopular failure for arcsys, said failure was the reason why strive was made and strive sold because of the the way it is.

>>713063165
>>713064207
Beyond redpilled

Niggers should've been sent back to africa, a fate worse than death. They are the most disgusting people to ever walk the planet.

>>713103418
>>713103835
Wrong thread, anon
We are talkimg about asian games here.

>>713098917
Combos are a meme. You can get to master in SF6 with just button into fireball. I know because I am the worst Guile of all time and I did it on him. Training mode is also a meme before a certain point. Learn how to do your special moves then go play against other players. If you run into a problem, then you use training mode to figure it out. Examples of problems:
>If I did a better combo here, that guy would have died and I would have won the round
>I don't know how to block what he did
>I don't know how to punish what he did

>>713103931
SF6 is a turbonigger game

>>713070848
based

>>713080878
Holy cope
You lost

>>713103758
XX is the anime equivalent of SF2. If they didn’t need a recognized title they would’ve made a new one. Granblue is almost as lame and gay as strive is and it didn’t get half the playercount. Like it or not old GG isn’t obscure, regardless of what qualms you have with the content its story mode for some characters.

>>713103951
>combos are a meme
>examples of problems
>if I did a better combo here

>>713079556
Fighting games get too much shit for this, to be honest. This is basically all competitive multiplayer games nowadays.

>>713103196
I had to take two rounds to remember how this game works and I still played like shit but there it is
This game's fun

Strivers

>>713104231
you couldnt get a round of me in uniel uni2 is remedial game for blacks that can yolo you out mashing

>>713104201
If you are brand new to fighting games then leaning combos instead of playing actual matches is a meme

>>713104291
I know you're just trying to be funny larping as LTG but I could boot uniel up right now too.

>>713104048
Holy raped

>>713104291
try this on my merkava

I'm not gonna lie, Idol Showdown of all games opened my eyes on the state of modern fighters. It's sad that instead of just making the game better through patches, they had to slowly homogenize everything interesting or fun.

>>713104141
Strive launched at the heart of the coof w/ rollback, it was always going to succeed. You are delusional if you think the GG name meant anything to non-GG players prior to Strive.

>>713098443
nintendo sales numbers are part of /v/ board culture, eric, marks my word's.

>>713104410
among us arena ultimate mogs that vtranny game

>>713104440
Nothing else was releasing at the time either. You had GBVSR and UNICLR that launched right as covid started.
And then you had MBTL which was always going to filter people just by character design.

>>713104410
That's the fate of every GaaS fighting game. Sadly you either get it right on your first try or you end up with a Third Strike like situation where half of the cast is not viable.
>b-but muh Kuroda making Q le viable
You're not Kuroda, I'm not Kuroda. Thank fuck I'm not a pedo.

>>713104440
You’re delusional if you think they didn’t have to make it a guilty gear game. If you actually think old guilty gear games have lower steam peaks because they were less popular within the genre I think you’re actually mentally ill, even without counting the Bridget thing most of you do. If you’re genuinely misunderstanding, fighting games are played online a lot more now and played on pc more than arcades.

>>713104303
This. Beginners are just going to blank on the combo they practiced once they do get a clean hit anyway.

>>713104650
In this case, most of the cast is viable now, if not the entire cast. But they gutted everything to make it happen and some of the buffs actually made some characters less unique. I really don't like the modern idea that everything in the game has to be according to plan, that every strange or jank interaction has to be removed for the nebulous idea of balance or intention.

>>713104638
GBVSR launched in 2023, it was GBVS that launched in 2020 with no rollback, for $60, 11 characters and a $35 season pass.
>>713104701
They didn't. Xrd was a flop, the GG name meant nothing to people who didn't already play GG. You seem to forget that even shit like Lumina and DNF Duel broke 12k players, almost like there was a lack of new fighting games with good online to play during a global lockdown.

>>713060676 (OP)
I only play offline that said these are all trash

>>713105129
Right, the first one GBVS

>>713104141
They didn't make a new game entirely because devs make new entries in series they like such as with every fucking fighter. they were working on a new GG as far back as 2016 and since the last two xrd games didn't do well while dbfz and bbtag did they made it into strive which did well because of it's looks, timing and simplicity. Denying guilty gear's complete nicheness even compared to other arcsys game like blazblue and even pre rising granblue is stupid.

>>713105129
I said XX, because it’s the peak of the series and genre. Xrd and even Strive are still good but XX is the best by far. You seem to forget how many updated versions of XX there were, or maybe you ever knew since you sound young. Neither sales nor steamcharts can bail you out of what anyone with experience in the genre could tell you.

>>713061101
>slop
neck yourself faggot, fucking sick retards like you calling everything "slop"

>>713090185
It's the yellow paint shit people are just getting dumber somehow

>>713105310
Whatever helps you forget about Bridget’s story mode, I guess. It’s obviously not true but if thinking XX was unpopular because of steamcharts keeps you calmed down I won’t stop you.

>>713103419
merk's B worms also have less recovery, giving him more mixup attempts per knockdown

>>713105554
>Bridgets story mode

>>713103951
>>Combos are a meme. You can get to master in SF6 with just button into fireball. I know because I am the worst Guile of all time and I did it on him.
Guile's zoning game is really good desu, he doesn't need combos because he can reliably chip out people from minor fuckups and play the long game.
I got to Master the same way with Dhalsim, just poking people until they go stupid and yolo DI

For SF6 combos, you pretty much only need light combos, something you can easily hit confirm (eg. DR 2MK), and a DI punish.
Yes, you will miss out on damage if you do punish counter jab into jab, but as long as you're getting a knockdown and oki it's good enough.

Punishes on block, whiff punishing and anti-airing matter a lot more than combo micro-optimizations (eg. counterhits) overall.

>>713105681
Why does the average strive player look so weird?

>>713096784
>i hate smash
fuck you

>>713105335
Again, you are delusional, especially if you think XX is anywhere in the same reality as SF2.

>>713105869
Strive is even further from sf6. Anime fighters were not nearly as niche in Japan and XX is undoubtedly the closest equivalent. You’re telling on yourself if you say otherwise.

>>713070940
isn’t kof extremely hard to get into?

>>713106278
yes no gringo ever git gut at kof15

>>713105554
I don't care about bridget like your schizo mind thinks everyone who says guilty gear was factually unpopular is and this has nothing to do with steamcharts so I don't understand you talking about them when I never brought them up. The objective reality is that any other arcsys fighting game, except maybe base gbfvs, was at least thrice as popular as xx or Xrd with GG being the most unpopular to play and niche series they had both in arcades and on PC/consoles.

>>713106278
not really.

>>713060676 (OP)
As long the steam community page shows the player count of a game, its enough for a fighting game. Its a 1v1 game, not your live service FPS game OP.

>>713106127
Who gives a fuck about Japan? It's not the 90s/early 2000s anymore, games can't survive off of arcades. GG was a niche serious prior to Strive, and no amount of cope or pathetic attempt at revisionism will change that.

>>713106278
In the sense that you'll eventually run into people playing KOF for 20+ years. Beyond that? No. Characters are easier to pick up than you would expect them to be.

>>713106127
>not nearly as niche in Japan
They absolutely were. Blazblue wasn't but everything else absolutely.

should i get into sf6?
>t. 3rd strike player

>>713106278
Not KOF 15, no. It's the easiest KOF yet. They've even simplified the input motions, made inputs more lenient, and more. All the people who still go on about how KOF is oh so hard are just people who don't want to play, and aren't interested in SNK's stuff. I don't know why they don't just say that. I bet 80% of the people who are cooming over and hyping up Marvel Tokon as the biggest FG release in years are the same opens who talk about how having to learn 3 characters in KOF is so taxing and unintuitive.

The only VS game I enjoyed was X-Men vs Street Fighter because I could wrap my head around the button layout. Everything else just feels so foreign.

>>713106410
There’s more people playing it yeah, same as most other series, including street fighter. That’s not because of strive being lame and gay, but because the entire genre is much easier to play online and in general now. More people will get a game when they can play it online. XX at its time was incredibly popular. The only unfortunate thing is the gay and lame era of fighting games began at a similar time to rollback becoming widespread, so now new players think the lame and gay part is what’s good. I don’t mind much since good fighting games got rollback too, I’m just correcting you on your misconception, even if you’re probably just a shitposter who’s mad someone made fun of strive on twitter.

>>713106761
yes its the same party game but newer and 3d gramphics

>>713106905
Bitch, shut the fuck up.

>>713106495
Retarded cope. Go look for a match in DNF Duel and tell me how it goes.

>>713106662
XX was a bit earlier than Blazblue

searching for a match in melty rn

>>713106881
it’s always seemed interesting to me from a distance but I’ve avoided it except in arcades because I’m complete ass at fightan

>>713073705
>That's every fighting game, every single one.
But MK and SC even more so as they are the fighting games known for their robust single-player content.

Soul Calibur 6, just like Mortal Kombat One, fucked up by lacking single-player content, which is why it's dead again.

>most people don't care about getting better
>most people can't handle being entirely at fault for a loss
These two reasons above are why fighting games will always be niche.

fgc stop bitching about literally everything challenge

What's with this new breed of ggfags insisting that their series has always been popular when it genuinely never was? If it was blazblue yeah but GG? No way in hell.

>>713107705
SC6 has a lot of singleplayer content. There's probably around total of 10 hours of VN-like story segments (including DLC), there's a secondary mode with custom protagonist that takes about 20 hours for a single playthrough with decent completion, and there's an entire encyclopedia of lore for lorefags. The problem isn't the lack of singleplayer content because SC5 had much, much less of it. The problem is lack of quality and lack of challenge. All fights in Soul Chronicles and almost all in Libra of Souls are extremely easy to the point where I could win them with a move set that I had no idea how to use. They also utilize CaS opponents in nearly every fight. IMO, CaS always looked uncanny and out of place when used like that, even all the way back in SC3 Chronicles of the Sword.

The story quality is all over the place. There are some Soul Chronicles that are genuinely great (Astaroth, Cassandra, Setsuka, Hilde). Most of them are mediocre, including the main story. The same can be said about Libra of Soul. Some side quest chains tell very nice stories that serve to flesh out the characters and the world (Raphael's, Amy's, Tira's (that one's definitely better than her Soul Chronicle)), but in most other ones I just didn't care about the story and wanted to finish them as soon as possible. The travel mechanic in this mode is bad. There are quests that activate on the map and only remain there for a set period of time. There are random encounters during travel and it's possible to get like three of them while moving once. They're easy but annoying because they just wasted my time when I wanted to reach some objective that I actually cared about.

I know that some anons here think otherwise, but for me this game is a very mixed bag when it comes to its singleplayer content. Weapon Master Mode in SC2 or Tales of Souls in SC3 were definitely leagues ahead. I'd even say that Mission Mode in SC1 or Edge Master Mode in Soul Edge were better.

>>713061101
no shit like BRs you can blame something other then yourself in fighting games you lose cause of you

>>713109680
>SC6 has a lot of singleplayer content. There's probably around total of 10 hours of VN-like story segments (including DLC), there's a secondary mode with custom protagonist that takes about 20 hours for a single playthrough with decent completion, and there's an entire encyclopedia of lore for lorefags.
WOW!
Soul Calibur 2 had more content than that!

>>713109665
Probably upset that Strive is still alive and well after saying it'll be dead soon for 3yrs straights

>>713093695
blazblue is gay

>>713093695
Tokon is the only upcoming game he said he's excited for, but that if it plays too much like Strive he'll drop it

>>713109665
it was always popular to say you liked or played GG even if you never played it for some reason

>>713093695
I don't blame the guy. Where do the people get the energy to get hype for everything under the sun, play said game for like 2 weeks, and then get hype for something else?
How do you live like that?

>>713110425
>How do you live like that?
its called being content creator

>>713104141
>regardless of what qualms you have with the content its story mode for some characters.
>thinly veiled Bridget troon seethe
every fucking time man, literally every fucking time

>>713109938
Not really. It normally takes 6-7 hours to 100% Weapon Master Mode. The difference is that it's fun throughout the entirety of it and the game never wastes your time like SC6 does with its random encounters. Gameplay density. SC2 also has better Arcade Mode because it has cutscenes and character endings, but that's quality not quantity. It also has more modes like tag, battle, survival, extra variations of the former, etc., but SC6 has character creation on the other hand. SC2 is definitely a better game, but I don't think it matches SC6 in terms of average playthrough length. SC6 has a lot of filler content, that's what I think.

>>713094617
I literally didn't know who he was until I saw that retarded video of him defending Dix and the slime mechanics because "neutral never existed!"
I immediately hated him.

>>713107126
Yes and it was never as popular as Blazblue eventually became. Everyone in Japan was playing Street Fighter or Virtua Fighter.

>>713110517
But these are how randos on twitter act like too and not all of them make videos.

>>713109665
Strive genuinely mindbroke the Goobers beyond repair. They hit the point where they simply deny Strive’s success and pretend that it’s not impressive because hurr XX actually was played by ten gorillion people.
Stunning levels of cope.

>>713111224
those are normalfags that watch videos of popular youtubersand parrot their opinions

>>713111294
NTA but the funniest thing has been oldheads seething out of their minds about Ingrid while their zoomer audiences don’t understand it at all, which only makes them angrier.

>>713111439
Meanwhile I just think her new outfit looks retarded and knowing SF6 she's not gonna look good even in her classic outfit.

>>713111529
Oh yeah she’s gonna look like dogshit but for some reason Dix players think the game looks good.
Still a great content farm.

>>713105481
Checked the internet lately?
Making games for everyone is the fucking definition of slop
games like god of war, horizon zero west, horza forizon, doom the dark ages and other shit like these.
I am not a fucking tourist and I know what genres I like and what games I want to play instead of playing latest accessible slop that I know about because it's on the front of store page. Tasteless faggot detected. Opinion discarded.

>>713112041
>parrots the latest buzzword nonstop in a desperate effort to fit in instead of just talking like a fucking human being
>not a tourist
kek

>>713060676 (OP)
fighting games I like: dead as fuck
fighting games I don't like: alive but barely

why would I bother? I'll just play the very few I like against the AI when I get the itch it's that simple

what fighting game lets me kill the gay community

>>713112645
Granblue and Strive

>>713109665
Literally just trannies who started with strive and then got mindbroken when Bridget got called a guy by anyone who played the good games, so they want to pretend the old games never existed. A bit odd to even pretend that since they kept making new versions for a reason, but that’s probably the least broken thing in their mind.

>>713112790
I think you need to reread the post you replied to bro.

>>713061093
Fuck off this just a porn website for white weirdos

>>713060676 (OP)
Nobody hates video games like fighting game players. Could be literally everything they want but if they're losing consistently they'll fight to make their own game fail

>>713112904
>what’s with this new breed of ggfags
I answered what I needed to.

>>713112920
I'm winning? best game ever made amazing outstanding
I'm losing? dogshit trash kill the devs

>>713113096
>Seething so hard he couldn't even finish reading a sentence

>>713113265
I read the rest of it but it was obvious that it was written by someone, like you, who was seething over the idea of a good game being played, so I didn’t bother responding to the rest of it.

>>713070154
More respectable genres than fighters garbage lol
2d side scroller with a png background

>fighting game
>on PC
lmao

>>713112350
What else are you supposed to call flavorless, mass produced shit with no character of its own, made for as wide of an audience as possible?

>>713113775
>buying a PlayStation console made this decade
>paying extra for PS+
Yeah, no thanks.

>>713113569
Nobody's seething at a bunch of deluded GGtards. Blazblue mogged GG within a few years of existing, cope however you please, but that's a fact.

>>713112790
absolutely shitter shattered

>>713113775
This isn’t 2009 anymore lol

So is it just me or does Sol in Xrd kind of suck? He's very much the opposite of what you'd expect him to be. His moves are relatively slow, he has to work for his mix, probably has the worst DP in the game, and one of his supers is spent on a meme install that can fuck you over with its recovery animation. A majority of his specials are situational instead of functional. A lot of his normals are also kinda slow and short range so you wind up playing much more defensively, poking, and relying mainly on counter hits and baiting to get somewhere. Compare him to Ky and it's insane how much more Ky's moveset rounds him out and defines his character instead of being a bunch of shit slapdashed together. Maybe I just don't understand how to play Sol in Xrd.

>>713079901
cf is sick

>>713105681
didn't know twisted sister is still around

I practiced tekken 8 for nearly a year but the recent balance patch was so unbelievably bad that i haven’t turned the game on since april.

>>713110551
I cannot think of any other reason someone would claim XX wasn’t popular. I could list countless reasons it obviously was popular but you can read the thread or use common sense for those. Either they’re mad about how the story and win quotes call Bridget male, or at least they started with strive and got really mad that strive gets mocked by everyone, including fans of the older games. For some deeply personal reason, they are deeply hurt by the existence of old GG, and Blazblue too, so it’s funny how often they bring up Blazblue even though it came out later and was played by the same general target audience, and is another game that makes them mad.

>>713107110
>peaks at 31
I just go find where all the people who like the game talk, and go set up a match against someone and play them a few dozen times.
You know.... like how everyone normally used to play fighting games?

>>713114428
Im not a NEET anymore lmao
>>713113984
>not paying a few bucks to not play with hackers and third worlders
Sounds like a deal

>>713114448
Then just play ky lol

>>713115085
OK retard.

>>713114863
ywah, but if you do that that means your game is dead, I win!!!!!!
>Proceeds to play Siege X for a week and then moves on to the next FOTM

>>713114352
Yeah that’s what I said happened and keeps happening

>>713115085
>>not paying a few bucks to not play with hackers and third worlders
fighting games has crossplay nowadays

>>713095854
Why not?

>>713114608
XX wasn’t popular. This is revisionist history. And do not fucking bring up “muh jap arcades” no one was playing that shit there either

>>713099881
>2025, soon to be 2026
>Tsukuyomi STILL not playable

>>713115281
I feel you bro
>goes and plays 3rd strike against a random person sitting in the fightcade lobby

>>713115969
>NOOOO ARCADES DIDNT EXIST THEY KEPT MAKING NEW VERSIONS BECAUSE THEY WERE BORED
Throughout the heavens and the earth, you alone are the raped one.

>>713114608
>it’s funny how often they bring up Blazblue even though it came out later and was played by the same general target audience, and is another game that makes them mad.
It was most certainly not you fucking poser. XXtards seethed out of their minds because BB was seen as casual compared to their dead game and it only got worse when they realized it was more popular in Japan AND the US than GG had ever been.
That’s how you goobers come off as. Twenty years ago you got bullied for liking your dumb anime game when your friends just wanted to play Tekken.

>>713116001
She never was going to be playable.
Byakuya goes solo so now she gets to tag around her friend wearing glasses who makes shadow clones.

This genre cannot be saved as long as Shit Farter keeps being its face. Crapcom needs to die together with Street Tranny, then we can have a FG Renaissance.

>>713116119
They kept making new versions because it was cheap as shit to do so. Look at what else Arcsys was making at the time, they were a bottom feeder doing endless contract work until Blazblue lmao

>>713116119
>New versions meant it was popular
Fucking LOL!

Boomers will get mad but Rocket League is a better competitive game than any fighting game. The skill celling is infinite, every car is the same so there is not balance problems and getting better is a much more intuitive process than any fighting game. RTS and fighting games are for tryhard boomers.

>>713116365
Don’t bother. This goober cannot comprehend that XX was never popular. Watch he’ll say something about it being “influential” because of Dragon Install or something next.

the FGC / platform fighter community will never be happy no matter what. all they do is bitch and moan that the hypothetical perfect fighting game doesn't exist, while ignoring every single glaring flaw the first game they got good at (coincidentally, their favorite) has. there's a middle ground between endless spiral of self-defeating negativity in the west and subservient corporate bootlicking of the east.

rivals 2 is fun.

>n-no! you see... it wasn't as popular as Street Fighter so that means it wasn't popular at all!
OK retard.

>>713116270
you're going to deal with modern arcsys or some other garbage as the face. there's no winning. just play old or niche fighting games and accept they will never be as popular as sf.

>>713116206
You seem to be the one seething. For a game that you claim made no money they sure kept putting resources into it even after Blazblue. If I had talked about Blazblue earlier you’d have a meltdown just the same. You can only shitpost about popularity using steamcharts and sales for an arcade game, because there’s no denying it’s superiority as a fighting game, and there’s not much way to pretend it wasn’t popular but you try nonetheless. I’m sorry, but this only makes you look silly. That’s all though, I’ll stop making you mad since I heard that can mess with your medicine.

>>713115085
Brazilians have more Playstations than they have good computers.

why is the FGC constantly trying to cannibalize itself? the infighting is so fucking gay and obnoxious.

>>713115107
And rely on grinder loops like a faggot? No way.

>>713116584
You compared XX to SF2 yourself, retard. Nice backpedaling >>713104141

>>713116975
I didn't compare it to anything, I'm just joining the conversation to point out that saying XX was not popular is retarded.

Breibru kido

>>713116797
Big fish in a small pond insecurity, they do it on purpose.

>>713116797
sfags/mvcfags started it first, they literally froth of the mouth if you call their game an anime game

>>713060676 (OP)
How can black people let this happen?

>>713102158
you are retarded, ofc everything looks like slop to you

Is there any way to evolve the gameplay of the fighting game? I'm feeling like we've reached the peak of what it could offer. There's only so much you can do with hitting hard or comeback mechanics. Now we're in the tag team era of just put more characters on screen.

>>713115107
>playing ky in xrd

if you think about it, the middle east is a perfect parallel to the FGC

>>713117429
i kind of don't liek this super plays when people try to show third strike because this is litteraly not possible on the regular game, it's litteraly just choreography , it's neet but in a keyfabe way

>>713117825
Jesus christ ESL-kun, pick up a dictionary.
>>713117657
If what they're saying is true, Sega wants to evolve the fighting game genre with VF, somehow.

>>713061728
I remember being pissed when they announced that the ps3 /xbox 360 versions were cancelled like a month before launch

>>713117825
Not that anon, but TAS is interesting in the concept of truly technical games because it shows the theoretical peak that people can aspire to and you can occasionally get fleeting glances of in regular play.

>>713117657
lol fighting games has peaked you cant do much else with it only thing you can do is just add more gimmicks to the formula

>>713117825
It's possible when playing against the AI but you're right, no normal person would do this online or be unable to counter it

>>713096614
this board is for videogames - not weird neckbeard losers who obsess over sales figures and don't play videogames.

>>713117948
>>713118017
this tas uses a "everything cancels into everything" mod that only the ps2 version of the game has and that can also be enabled with memory editing, so it's literally not possible

>>713116797
>why is the FGC constantly trying to cannibalize itself?
If you haven't noticed, this is all communities these days.
Everyone is so miserable, that we're going to need escapism from the escapism.

>>713117042
Because it wasn't.

>>713117912
>Jesus christ ESL-kun, pick up a dictionary.
i genuinely don't understand what you mean by this

>>713118136
fuck...

>>713118338
I bet you wouldn't. Lurk more, Pablo. Don't speak before you do more english lessons.

>>713118696
coming from a retard using kun unironically, that's pretty rich.

>>713118253
It definitely was popular. Still is for how old it is.

>>713119119
>he doesn't know what site he's on
You're embarassing yourself Rodriguez, this is my last (you) to you because I don't feel like clowning a mexicunt today. Speak-o el english-o quickly, alright?

>>713119250
By what metric was XX popular?

>>713119391
yes sorry , i forgot i was on a literal cesspool of a site. have fun in your third world country buddy.

>>713116797
It's just Capcultists. If you didn't know, Street Nigs LOATHE everything not named Street Fighter, and made by Capcom. Think of them as the Nintendo fanbase of Fighting Games.

>>713119493
daigo umehara played it
it had more players than nitroplus fighters
kusoru played it

>>713061093
FPBP

>>713112913
political activism site for politicos*

>>713119493
One of the most popular games in the arcades at the time that wasn’t street fighter and one of the most played old anime games now

>>713119772
-__-

>>713116468
Combo Devils will save the genre trust the plan

>>713064207
>they usually develop a subconscious expectation that every other fighting game should function the same or at least similar enough.
They often do which is why most pros are immediately top tier at any game they swap to. The basics always carry over.

>>713119772
>it had more players than nitroplus fighters
fucking lmao

>>713119962
i'm going to give it a try, but i've already prepared my asshole for all the "jank" accusations

>>713113575
rollslop is for zoomers who think they are playing the hardest shit ever, even though their games are objectively easier to games from the NES/SNES era. Stolen valor faggots

>>713116712
They kept putting resources in it because it was Daisuke’s passion project. It wasn’t because it was making a ton of money and after Xrd flopped they finally had to pivot

>>713119901
>One of the most popular games in the arcades at the time
Yeah, in Japan, certainly not in America, Europe or SA.
>one of the most played old anime games now
Such a low bar that I don't even see how you can use it as a metric of popularity. That's like saying I'm the most popular person in my house of nobodies.

>>713116712
>there’s no denying it’s superiority as a fighting game
bruh no one wants to learn FRC mememix. It’s degenerate slop just like every anime fighter

>>713060676 (OP)
Way too much cape fighter slop lately for my taste

>>713120254
japanese GODS are always superior to western trash

>>713119772
goobers are pathetic man

>>713120158
>Yeah, in Japan, certainly not in America, Europe or SA.
Please don't pretend you went to arcades in the late 80's and early 90's. We know you did not.

>>713120481
You're a goofy goober

>>713120254
I'm sorry that you're this much of a shitter because this is a hilarious thing to read

>>713120474
>Japanese GODS
They had geographic advantages that modern netcode has eliminated. It’s why they don’t dominate tournaments anymore.

How shitty is that invincible game gonna do?

>>713120489
Late 90s and early 2000s I did. Now, check when XX, the game we are discussing, was released

>>713120636
>newer fighting games get easier and more dumbed down with skippa neutral
>old players not playing anymore

yea its a real mystery

>>713120612
I’m not the one jerking off over a kusoge retard

>>713120815
old players aren't playing because they are dying lmao happens when you're nearly 60

>>713120158
90% of fighting game players were in Japan at the time, you were irrelevant to the genre if you even were alive then.

>>713120149
Xrd was a demo to show off their new graphics tech. It got them the DBFZ license that is singlehandedly responsible for their current popularity.
Sign and Rev1 sold fine too, not huge but not failures otherwise they wouldn't have bothered making the later versions. They obviously already had the DBFZ license at that point since it came out months after Rev2 did.
Rev2 did sell like shit, for a few reasons including being a title revision after the industry had moved on to DLC seasons, being one of the last games with a delayed western/console release, and coming out after SFV released which ate most of the casual audience despite the terrible launch, which is why they only added Answer and Baiken and never got to Robo or whoever they were planning next.

>>713078807
i'd play quake if there was an easier means to get duel in Quake live. but desu getting games quickly is a drag.

>>713120873
You're right, keep playing modern zangief and saying it's too much work to do anything more. Do not mind anyone who laughs at you, including me. If that's what you enjoy, do it. FRCs are hardly the most difficult thing in +R, but I agree they might be a bit much for you.

>>713120815
Old players are still playing, they just got too old to compete or don’t have a massive advantage by being able to take a 2 hour train ride to every single tournament.
>hurr durr muh RNG neutral skips
You’d expect more Japs to win than they actually are if that was the case.

I would rather not play fighting games at all than have to play Street Fighter 6. SF2 was lightning in a bottle, and the Street Fighter series has never reached the same heights.

>>713121175
the entire industry learned the wrong lessons from 2x

>>713121065
old players still play, but most of the time it's because the tournaments where there is old games are not marketed enough because the zoomies want new shiny slop with the moniez

>>713120921
I thought Rev did pretty bad compared to Sign, though maybe I’m mistaken.
Regardless Xrd being a streamboar game had a real impact on the design decisions made for Strive.

>>713121019
*yawn*
No one cares bro

>>713118338
It means some retarded Indian is trying to bait you. Stop giving him attention.

>>713121019
>the SF6 zoomie that rages anytime he has to do anything remotely difficult vs the arcsyssy that rages any time he has to actually interact with the opponent instead of just doing combo video slop that he can post to twitter
the genre really has gone to shit.

>>713061093
Let's ban shills first.

>>713121175
The final iterations of SF2, SFIII, SFIV and SFV are all excellent.
"Street Fighter" 6 is shit, but unfortunately it is exactly the kind of shit that people love and it sells well so yeah, the series is pretty much done.
Capcom will take all the wrong lessons from it and replicate that in SF7, just like how Monster Hunter Wilds took the worst possible things from World.

>>713060676 (OP)
>StreetGAWDS won this gen
Yup yup, I remember the day when SFV could barely get 3k

>>713121415
I'd be yawning too if I played modern fighters lmao

>>713060676 (OP)
fighting game players are usually the most annoying faggots ever so i hope their genre dies

>>713121305
Worse than Sign for sure, though it's extremely rare for a revision or direct sequel to do better than the original anyway which is why the entire genre has abandoned them and you see nothing but reboots and endless DLC seasons now, a DLC hype cycle and a sale can make casuals buy an older game but a revision release just makes them think "But I didn't play the first one", but it didn't do terribly until Rev2 when basically no one but the active playerbase bought it, which would be a death sentence even for a mainstream series much less a more niche one. Fighting games live and die based on casuals buying it to play for a week and then never touching it again.
But yeah, you can tell Daisuke was really motivated by casuals watching tournaments and not having any idea what was going on, he basically outright said he designed Strive for people that don't play.

>>713092530
I agree with the idea that combos aren't the hard part of fighting games, that's why I start groaning whenever a game starts having 11 to 12+ hit combos as BnBs. It's just an obstacle to the part of the game I actually like, interacting with the other opponent.

>>713121978
posting another combo video to twitter sister?

>>713122216
sisters do not use twitter anymore

>>713122054
lmao thats never going to happen you giant FAGGOT

>>713060676 (OP)
Xturdies off screen

>>713080621
>Potemkin becoming top tier
Grapplers are just never allowed to be good, are they.

>>713122054
Niggas still playing kof98 You WISH

>>713121821
Thats what he said.

>>713122079
>he basically outright said he designed Strive for people that don't play.
Unfortunately it worked. Strive has had great retention.

>>713122497
It’s because a top tier grappler means they’re beyond oppressive to play against.

>>713122497
thats like asking people to stay near grapplers in grabbing range and calling it fair

>>713075521
dead

>>713122742
Yeah I'm thinking this is an E. Honda week

>>713123201
Well he did recently launch into space

>>713061101
Yeah but that makes less money so it won’t happen.

Not sure what's up with the Honda pics but sure, why not.

>>713123035
It has more entrants than Strive in Evo and I’ll be shocked if more people watch it than Granblue

>>713122519
>kof98
I like old school KOF a lot. I wish it was more popular among North Americans.

>>713123384
I mean to be fair I don't think the first two were Honda at all. Just random rikishi

>>713123384
He's fun

>>713122537
I'm curious how much
Obviously the gameplay changes matter, but how much of the currently fairly large playerbase is just being a similarly small fraction of a much larger purchase base
Sign might not have flopped but it also was never going to sell multiple million copies even if it played exactly like Strive, it just wasn't possible in 2014.
A lot of Strive's success is the perception of being a new, easy entry into a classic, hardcore series so you couldn't have just released Rev3 with a different name, even the casuals would have seen through that, but I think it could have played very differently than it currently does and still had basically the same level of success.

>>713123384
I remember this one. GBVS was kinda shit but I had a lot of fun with it for its first couple of months.

CoTW and SNK threads just fucking disappeared.
Who the fuck were even making them before release? Shills?

>>713123472
The first one is an image Honda texts you during World Tour

>>713123525
Man I wish Granblue was good.
>>713123035
So did the celeb trailers REALLY kill off the game? Or what else is it? Why did it fail so quickly?

>>713123608
unironically yes

>>713123035
This really our Chris "Ghost dodgin', beta crackin', zero may cry usin' and jobbin' anyway" Godzales???

>>713123608
/v/, people here love discussing characters even if they never care about the actual games.

>>713112790
I was specifically speaking about retards like you in that post. I haven't ever seen anyone calling the GG series popular until like this year(maybe near the end of 2024 too) and I believe the people talking about how strive mindbroke ggniggers is correct with your complete inability to even read or accept reality.

>>713123940
>Dixer
>hideous, retarded, abhorrent post
Fitting.

>>713123608
This is the same board that hailed Type Lumina as the savior of fighting games. Anons just like pitting their favorite monkeys against each other and not playing the games.

>>713122764
As opposed to what, a rushdown character who stays in grabbing range so he can do 40% combos on your ass, started off of unreactable 50/50s and don't worry, if he whiffs, well that was just a "reset" and he's going to win off that interaction too.

At least grapplers have to commit.

>>713061728
no
fun game but woke

>>713070940
>>713106395
>>713106881
>>713107593
KOF XV is dogshit. SNK balance is notoriously horrendous, avoid it if you don't want to be stressed out of your mind playing

>>713124062
>This is the same board that hailed Type Lumina as the savior of fighting games
Show me someone who actually said this.
And at the VERY LEAST, and with even a busted PC port, MBTL had lobby threads for like a month or two.

>>713060676 (OP)
FG's on PC don't reach the same player count as their console counterparts however they always outlive their console ports.

also fuck Tekken 8 Namco shit the bed there and they're overmonitizing the shit out of that game and just reselling t7's DLC right back to you.

>>713124237
Literally anyone who is not Antonov, Maxima, Darli and Billy Kane can win.

>>713123506
Casuals care about three things: visual spectacle, single player content, and good online play.
Strive meets two of these three criteria. Visuals don’t just mean that the game looks good in neutral, it means that it’s easy to do cool looking stuff in the game. This is the benefit of dropping the skill floor and the advantage Strive has over +R and Xrd. The problem is that the methods used to drop the floor also drop the ceiling along with it. This doesn’t matter to casuals because they’ll never hit the ceiling to begin with. Only people at or at least closer to the ceiling really feel the differences in a negative way.

>>713124024
I don't even play SF6 I just like sf images because they are good you fucking avoidant retard.

>>713123729
>Man I wish Granblue was good
Rising at least made the game not ST But Worse

>>713124592
Visual spectacle definitely didn't help DNF or GBVSR.

>>713124664
"ST but worse" would be amazing at this point. Everyone I knew who played the original hated the direction of rising.

>>713124684
Granblue is the best looking fighting game I have ever played, and the presentation as a whole is impeccable, but it IS a fighting game based on a gacha competing against household names that have existed for decades.
The admittedly limited success it enjoys is pretty remarkable when you put it in context.

>>713122497
I'm not good at Strive or anything, my issues when fighting him isn't even the grappler part, it's that I'm in his threat range at round start.

wow, thats a lot of people on SF6

>>713124062
LMAO french bread games have good reps here but never crazy amount of players by FG standards.
See UNI2, the game never really recovered from its buggy launch.

its always a full circle
make a fun fighitng game
turns into a technical fighter for the people who stick around
dumb it down for casuals and a wider audience
ease up on being retarded and we are back to square one

>>713124684
The visuals of dnf duel didn't matter when the characters were basic lame title shit like striker, berserker or troubleshooter and the game was so awful to play some people still think arcsys made it. Visuals didn't matter for gbfvs because the game is boring and as someone that got into strive because of my main game being awful and the visuals looking good, the entire granblue gacha style is not very interesting even with the arcsys 3d touch.

>Spends 100k to make a mod to revive MVCi
>New players drop the game 1 month later because the dev refused to fix the main problems with the game despite fixes being available.
Was he retarded or was he scammed?

>>713125151
he's a retard
just look at him going on about how ingrid "doesn't belong" in street fighter

>>713125150
But Rising is more fun than Strive?

>>713122497
He was fine in season 3, they did a bunch of buffs in exchange for taking away his karas, everyone bitched, they put the karas back and didn't revert anything

They buffed his HP when it already was one of the highest in the game

Hammerfall Break got armor for no reason, making it more difficult to challenge Hammerfall in general.
Potemkin Buster got armor, same deal. This makes Kara Pot Buster a lunging, armored grab with huge return on hit. This also makes stagger pressure even more dangerous against him.

If you block 2S midscreen, he can now do Blue Wild Assault and be +13 in your face, with no throw protection to cover you against his mix. The only counter is a throw or a reversal, it frametraps and catches backdashes/jumps
If he does the same from 5H, you can't throw it, backdashing doesn't make it punishable.

He zones like crazy, his buttons are huge and can lead into point blank HKD, Slidehead is +10 on block and has longer lasting armor, Flick works on almost anything including all of Asuka's spells, his sweep, and HC's gunshot

They also made 5K active for an entire fucking 14 frames for whatever reason, because the poor baby could be vulnerable to low-profiles if he did the move too early

>>713124684
GBVS had bad online. DNF was just straight kusoge and the online was pretty jank.
I’d actually argue Grubble has done a lot better than expected with Rising. We’re talking about a franchise that has almost no presence outside of Japan and it’s presence in Japan is inflated by fujos.

>>713124962
>Granblue is the best looking fighting game I have ever played
Play more fighting games.

>>713125151
>could have paid KikeZ to put rollback into UMvC3
>chose to support the wrong game instead
complete retard

>>713123729
SNK fans are bad at giving feedback, the hype cycle is like
>AWW YEAH SNK IS BACK ALL MODERN FIGHTERS WILL GET EXPOSED
>comes out with tons of issues
>dies in week 2
Its a hugbox community, they keep tricking themselves into thinking SNK isn’t a dead company. All their IPs are relevant and modern fans of fighting game fans aren’t familar with most of their mascots aside from terry or mai. There’s this detrimental cope that the series is iconic or popular in china and mexico but that is completely false. Basically the company never gets the feedback they need because their fans lie and tell them they’re doing great.

>>713124962
This. Granblue’s western presence is isolated entirely to pornography. It’s why people are surprised when they learn Narmaya is the only popular female Draph.

>>713125379
Feel free to point me towards a better looking one.

>>713125446
New players would have dropped UMVC3 faster to be honest, it would have more geriatric UMVC3 players who refuse to let go tough

>>713125526
City of the Wolves

I cannot believe there still isn't a 2D WSJ fighting game or even a fucking proper FATE fighting game at this point.
Nasu really went "nah make a new melty blood instead of the FGO fighter" when even he knew how long it would take for him to release Red Garden and unlock the other third of the cast.

SNK fans need to face reality that none of this shit is iconic or popular, the series has gained NO new fans in almost 2 decades.

>>713125673
I know you are not the person who replied to me before and I also know you are just trying to shitpost but yes, I DO like how City of the Wolves looks. It just doesn't really look as good as Rising.
Also like I said, it's not just character models, everything about presentation is fucking top-tier.

>>713125832
People’s problems with Granblue’s visuals are entirely artstyle/character design related.

To Love Ru Fighter
Pick your mains

>>713126117
Yeah, I imagine.
I like it both on a technical level and in terms of character design. I knew next to nothing about its world but playing Rising and seeing their pre battle and post battle interactions has made me like almost all of them

>>713125526
SF3
Darkstalkers
MVC1
MVC3
Xmen vs. Street Fighter
MARK of the Wolves
Red Earth
Heritage for the Future
Tekken 8
SF Alpha (any)
GG Xrd (any)
DBFZ
DNF
KOF 2002UM
KOF 13
KOF 11
Art of Fighting 3
Real Bout 2 Fatal Fury

>>713125714
>other third
That's the worst part. Unless the next Melty is an actual sequel instead of a Red Garden advertisement, we're still probably not getting Sion, Wara, Ries, etc.

>>713126572
It will absolutely be a Red Garden title update so it's just Hime, VAkiha, Nanaya, Satsuki, and maybe Nero Chaos if the old scrapped route of Satsuki's route actually involved Roa and Nero working together.

>>713126532
The only game which looks as good or better than granblue here is KOF13.
Everything else is either ugly outdated sprites or worse ArcSys animations like fucking DNF lmao.
>MARK of the Wolves
MOTW sprites are agressively ugly.
>sf3
Third strike is only better than granblue for its animation work but its sprites are worse than kof13.

>>713126964
KOF13's lazily traced sprites are fucking awful

>>713125714
but there is a wsj 2d platforming fighting game

>>713127157
I don't want no goddamn platformer fighting game

>>713126964
You just have shit taste. Common case.

>>713126383
I do get it from a gameplay perspective even if I like Grubs designs for the most part too.
Like look at Beatrix. If you know nothing about the character you can still tell she's related to Zeta in some way because of the armor. What her design doesn't tell you is that she or more accurately her sword has time powers. That's where fighting game and gacha game character designs differ. Fighting game characters have to convey a *lot* of who the character is just from their visual design, gacha games do not.
The silver lining is that you also get an entire moveset to sell the character's personality too. So you can still convey that Beatrix is an overly aggressive retard when she fights through her moves even if the design is just "hot chick in bikini armor".