Thread 713437674

The way Toby is doing him is really fucking annoying and it just fuels the fucking ragebait with Asgore being the butt of every joke in the fandom. I am trying really hard not to give a shit about the Soriel ship, but it's not easy coping since this guy is STILL embarrassing himself to Toriel and just can't move the fuck move on. I just pray he isn't alone when Chapter 7 comes so I can be at peace...

>>713437674 (OP)
Because this needed a new thread.

>introduce character as spineless pussy who kills children
>reintroduce him as pussywhipped cuck who simps for his ex every day
>people think he deserves better
Only this bizarre head canon version that isn't an awful character you've invented wholesale

>>713437790
It's more than likely some wannabe janny constantly making threads to start shit with mods again.

I know you identify with him being a fucking loser but you don't need to take it personally.

>>713437674 (OP)
Such is the plight of being a straight male in a Toby Fox game

>>713437896
I have no reason to believe in false flags when this is exactly aligned with the fanbases' behavior and always has been.

>>713437858
>spineless pussy
He thinks its the only way to free his people, its fucked up but does that not show basicly the opposite of that? Like would you be willing to do something horrible that you thought was going to meke things better for your own race?

>>713437674 (OP)
>Asgore being the butt of every joke in the fandom
But he is the butt of every joke in canon too. He simply never cares tho. He is too old to be depressed by all the sad shit happening around him, he always tries to be a jolly goofball instead .
>>713438175
Yeah. Toriel gives him a hard time for not just using one soul to go above ground and kill 6 other people then shatter the barrier (psycho mode), and sadly Asgore never has a defense for this; even though his neutral dialogue already implies the reason he does this is to maintain everyone's hopes up, while personally hoping the war never happens.

>>713438175
>Says he's going to break free of the underground and kill all humans for what they did to Asriel and Chara
>realises he doesn't actually mean it
>doesn't want to tell his people he's going back on that whole "genocide the human race and free monsters from the underground" thing because they have hope for the first time in years and he thinks it will crush them
>doesn't want to kill kids either but he does because he can't bring himself to tell his people 'no'
>could leave the Underground with just one kid soul and gather the rest
>doesn't because, again, he doesn't want to genocide humanity anymore
>his own spineless inability to choose one bad choice over another means he sits on his ass killing kids that keep falling down the hole until he will finally be forced to pick a side when he's got all 7 souls required to destroy the barrier
>in Neutral and Pacrifist he's freed from this decision by being dead
>in True Pacifist the problem is solved by other people, freeing him from the burden

>>713438548
Is it ever confirmed the other humans were kids?
I also wonder if Asgore ever had to personally fight one besides Frisk

i like when people pretend this is a morally complex or interesting character when he just killed a bunch of kids then felt bad about it lol what a loser

>>713438506
>and sadly Asgore never has a defense for this
There's nothing to defend, Toriel's logic is retarded
>you pathetic whelp, instead of staying down here and killing humans, you could have crossed the barrier and killed humans

>>713438931
They were probably related before they married, they're both retards

>>713438931
>1 soul makes a Boss Monster superstrong and lets them pass the Barrier
>7 souls would make them God and let them destroy the Barrier
>Asgore could have become super strong and gotten 6 extra souls in an afternoon
>instead he waits for years hoping more humans will fall down a hole
I'm sorry anon but it's not Toriel who's retarded here.

His boss fight will literally be his Undertale fight but he's wearing his Deltarune outfit and wielding a rake instead of a scythe.

>>713439294
*instead of a trident

Fuck I'm dumb.

>>713438776
All the items you find are things a child playing outdoors and accidentally falling down a cave might carry, and the difference in power between monsters and humans is so large even a child can kill their way through without too much trouble, so a full grown adult would wipe the floor with them all

>>713439198
>instead he waits for years hoping more humans will fall down a hole
anon... that's the opposite of what he hopes for, Asgore wants to free his people but he doesn't wanna kill anyone, specially since they would have a real war on their hands this time around since Asgore would be the god-monster that humans feared enough to seal the monsters forever.

>>713439198
>>instead he waits for years hoping more humans will fall down a hole
Because he doesn't want to kill anyone, dingaling. Toriel's entire modus operandi the whole game is about how hurting people is wrong, but when it comes to Asgore she scolds him for not being even more of a murderer and the game treats it as though she's completely right and justified

>>713439638
>If you are gonna kill a monster you might as well do the genocide run
Well, she said it, not me.

>>713439638
She pointed out that Asgore already had what he needed when he got one soul, he could've done the exact same thing Asriel and Chara planned.

>>713438060
this

>>713439805
Yes, she tells him he should have crossed the barrier and murdered six people instead of waiting in the underground hoping he doesn't have to murder anyone. She's literally telling him he should have been a more proactive and ruthless killer, when that goes against her entire belief structure

>>713439953
priority number 1: Hating Asgore
priority number 2: Being pacifist

>>713438931
She’s right and that point wasn’t her advocating murder of humans, just that Asgores logic makes no sense

Asgore has become my favorite characters just for the memes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH8Th_Vd2RI

>>713439953
>and murdered six people

He wouldn't even need to murder them, 150,000 people die every day. He just needs to find a hospital or an old folk's home and wait.

>>713440046
What about "I don't actually want to kill anyone" doesn't make sense?

>>713439198
>>713439953
>>713440046
It always weirds me out that Toriel has zero empathy for Asgore.
>2 kids dies
>He gets pissed
>She decides to fucking ditch him and completely gives up on him as a person.
>First time seeing each other in decades, she scolds him for being a fence-sitter about his genociding.
>Still, she advocates you should talk your way out of conflicts

>>713440116
A LOT of Undertale's plot is fucking retarded if you actually stop and think about it.
>Uhhhh killing all the monsters in the underground lets you destroy the entire world because...because it just does ok?!

Why are monster so fucking weak and gay and retarded. And if they just need a couple human souls to become godlike or whatever why doesnt one just sit next to a hospital or something.

>>713440116
I think trapping / absorbing a soul instead of letting it rest is also its own kind of fucked up.

>>713440207
the fact that he did kill kids 6 times over

>>713440381
Toriel is a complete cunt to him and it really just reeks of Toby not liking Asgore and wanting to shit on him however he could

"Toriel? More like Whoriel LMAO"
(Robert F. Fox, 2025)

>>713440568
Yeah, and he didn't want to. He only did it because he felt it was his duty to his people as king

>>713440545
Then hang around death row. Think of it as an addition to the sentence.

>>713440115
Asgore Vehicular Homocide is best Deltarune meme we've had in years.

>>713439953
But Asgore still killed 6 other children while keeping the monsters trapped underground for god knows how long. If he truly wanted to commit to either side, he would've let the children live with him, avoiding having to kill them, or he would've gone out after killing the first, shortening the imprisonment.

"Toriel? More like Whoriel LMAO"
(Robert F. Fox, 2025)

>>713440790
Asgore didn't want to commit to either side that's the entire point. He felt like it was his duty as king to kill the humans if they were delivered right to his doorstep, but he didn't actually want to go through with his plan because he only said it out of anger.

>>713437674 (OP)
To be honest it seems like his attempts to get Toriel back is mainly for Kris and Asriel's sakes, and prove that something that happened in the past wasn't his fault. He's also hinted to be very involved or a boss in the next chapter.

>>713437674 (OP)
its called setup you dumb nigger hes obviously going to be important in chapter 5

>>713440790
The point is that Toriel is completely inconsistent in what she claims her moral code is. The entire beginning of the game is her teaching you that violence is wrong and trying to hold you hostage in the ruins so that you don't get hurt or hurt anyone else, but that suddenly falls entirely by the wayside when it comes to Asgore and she thinks he should have been a turbomurderer

>>713440606
>Toby not liking Asgore and wanting to shit on him however he could
I dont actually think he dislikes him, there is nothing outside of this that doesn't have characters loving Asgore for being goofy.
>>713440702
Anon, how the fuck is a super-powered giant goat monster supposed to walk to a prison and neither get killed nor kill anyone on the way to get his death row/hospital soul?

>>713439953
>>713438931
>>713440381
>>713440606

She says "if you really cared about leaving so much, you would have gone out and killed six kids". She's not telling him to do it, she's pointing out his hypocrisy in being fine with murdering children who accidentally fall in but not being willing to face the truth of what he's doing. Because the end result would be the same, but Asgore want to pretend he's just defending the other monsters from invaders. Toriel calls him out because she knows that he knows what he's doing is wrong.

>>713438548
>"Either start a war you'll lose or just tell everyone that they're fucked:)"
>Torielfags seriously believe this to be a better choice than to wait, have hope and slowly accumulate souls
Toriel was fucking retarded and she was objectively worse because she ditched everyone and didn't make any choice at all.

>>713441193
Like >>713441218 said, Toriel has no leg to stand on because she just beat feet immediately to go be a cat lady by herself in the ruins for the rest of her life rather than actually try to influence shit as the queen

>>713441002
Why is that inconsistent? The player is a child and shouldn't kill, Asgore is an adult and should commit to what he says.
In a way, convincing humans to not kill also protects the monsters in the underground, since even at level 4 a kid is enough to one shot her, one of the strongest things in the underground.

>>713441413
What the fuck are you talking about? She left BECAUSE Asgore wouldn't change. She tried to stop him and failed.

>>713441218
>she was objectively worse because she ditched everyone and didn't make any choice at all.
It's funny how often she gets overthrown in the neutral endings because the monsters are pissed at humans killing even one of them.>>713441193
>>713441193
>Because the end result would be the same
Iunno, I think hoping no human comes so that no war breaks out is a different than actively delivering the war his people want.
I'm not saying Toriel is wrong, or Asgore is right, but it is just odd to me that she has no sympathy for the guy even before he killed anyone

>>713437674 (OP)
Its because toebeef hates his own dad

>>713441595
He literally did change, he was furious after Asriel died and declared war in a fit of rage, but he calmed down and realized he didn't actually want to hurt anyone. But Toriel still "became disgusted with his actions" even though she left before he'd even killed anyone, and either way, if she'd stayed she could have convinced him not to kill any of the humans since he clearly doesn't want to do it

>>713441012
>Anon, how the fuck is a super-powered giant goat monster supposed to walk to a prison and neither get killed nor kill anyone on the way to get his death row/hospital soul?

>>713441909
WOAH, WHO IS THIS HANDSOME HUMAN MAN?

>>713441909
I don't get what Kris has to do with this

>>713441909
damn, is it just me is or the new guy sexy af?

>>713441595
Failed to do what? He never went out to kill kids, he gave his people hope. She wanted him to basically let everyone live and die in pure misery without hope? And let's not forget that the ONLY fucking reason you even have a good ending in Undertale is because of the other souls that were in their possession so it turns out Asgore was in fact right all along.

If everyone had gone with doing nothing they'd all be stuck in misery, and obviously the other "plan", which I fully acknowledge is not her seriously suggesting it but it's still retarded because she and Asgore should know very damn well what happens when a monster goes out with a soul even if they don't attack people since their own son died because of it. Even as a premise to "Show hypocrisy" it falls flat because it's 100% lead to a war were monsters get genocided or Asgore gets killed anyway. A lot of people don't want to admit this, but Asgore objectively made the right choice and the only reason people think otherwise is because of Toriel's fat goat milkers.

>>713442261
Assreal died because he didn't use his powers he got from having a human soul.

>>713442261
>it's 100% lead to a war were monsters get genocided or Asgore gets killed anyway.
I wonder that.
I mean, were humans afraid of having their souls taken, or of how powerful a human-boss monster would become?
Asriel could've killed every human that attacked him, and he was just a kid with 1 human soul.
6-soul Flowey only gets btfo because the souls rebeled against him, prob because he is a soulless freak.
How powerful would Asgore with 7 souls actually be? Enough to destroy humans in giant mechas and laser swords?

>>713442689
Considering a single human child is capable of massacring the entirety of the underground, and also capable of defeating a powered up boss monster (God Asriel), I really don't think Asgore would have gotten all that far

>>713442689
he could have gone as a diplomatic envoy too
>can snap the necks of everyone in the room, which is enough leverage to tell them to open the barrier
>if they blow you off, you can just harvest enough souls on the spot to break the barrier right away and start an unstoppable army that will wipe humanity off the map. every dead human (or 7 if you want another nuke) is a new recruit

>>713437674 (OP)
Asgore is treated way better than characters like Noelle or Carol or even Ralsei.

>>713437674 (OP)
Maybe he shouldn't have killed six children.

>>713440012
>putting your hatred for a single person above all other priorities
Based

>>713437674 (OP)
He EASILY has the best joke in Undertale/Deltarune.

RIP thread

>>713440689
why didn't he wait for them to die of old age

>>713443272
Toriel is the most human character in the game for it.

Asgore deserves better

>>713441002
Why is everyone so fucking illiterate
what Toriel says is that, if you ARE going to commit to the revenge plan, you should have actually fucking gone through with it. She's chastising Asgore for both making the morally wrong choice AND intentionally pussyfooting around it, prolonging the suffering of everyone. She's not saying she would not have hated him if he HAD been proactive. Just that it makes him even worse because he chose not to be despite deciding to murder humans.

>>713437674 (OP)
what does toby have against him anyway

Trust the plan.

Why did Asgore and Toriel adopt a human child in Delrarune's universe anyway?

>>713443730
I always imagine that the reason Sans turns around after Asgore does that is because he genuinely found the pun funny

https://youtu.be/0XahW0RHF6c

Dum dee du- wait... WHAT THE HOT DIGGITY DARN IS GOING ON HERE???

Huh?? Kris, my beloved SON?? Wait, you're saying you are NOT my child??? I NEVER had a happy family, I only BELIEVE I do? I only THINK that you are my SPAWN because... EHHHH??? IM A DIGUSTING, IDIOSYNCRACTIC, unnatural ABOMINATION?!?!? I shouldn't actually EXIST?!? My TRUSTED MEMORIES are FALSE, a MERE IMITATION of the REAL THING?? You're saying, I was CREATED as a JOKE, based on a living JOKE? That ODD FELLOW, RAMB was essentially just playing a GIGANTIC PRANK on you by having you play an entire MODDED LEGEND OF ZELDA KNOCKOFF about me!? His LAST WILL before essentially PASSING ON, was to curate this whole ORCHESTRATED HUMILATION RITUAL just for the HECK OF IT??? You just sat through THREE SEPERATE SEGMENTED SEQUENCES of me being utterly fucking PATHETIC and making a FOOL out of myself?!!??? There's actually NO SHADOW MANTLE in that chest over there, it's just YET ANOTHER VIDEO from the NEAR FUTURE of my WIFE being PLAPPED AND POUNDED by the town's JANITOR?!?
Oh dear... THERE'S MORE??? There's A BEING that is controlling your very body, and both you and (You) find this scenario AMUSING as well?? You're NOT gonna disconnect the controller, but instead FORCE ME to PERPETUATE LIVING, in your CASTLE TOWN?? I'll be SHUNNED by both LIGHTNERS and DARKNERS, due to the CIRCUMSTANCES BEHIND MY CREATION, dooming me to an ETERNAL LIFE OF ISOLATION??!?!? I'll appear in FUTURE CHAPTERS, as a THROWAWAY SLAPSTICK GAG CHARACTER??? NOBODY will acknowledge my existence in ANY MEANINGFUL way?? It's just an ABSTRACT BODY HORROR for me, from HERE ON OUT?? NOBODY WILL SHED A TEAR FOR ME?!? That ARG WEBPAGE was about ME, of all people, REALLY?!?
Hmm... I see...
Well...
I only have one thing to say to THAT...
YABBA DABBA DOO!!! LET'S GET THIS PARTY STARTED!!! Call up ALL 25/25 of your SHADOWMEN RECRUITS while we still have the chance, my ENCAPUSULATED NOT-WIFE isn't going to FUCK herself!

>>713448936
he killed kids

>>713449329
Only Dess and she deserved it

>>713448846
She left BEFORE he had actually killed any humans, retardo. She has no idea what the fuck she's talking about and just wants to shit on Asgore to justify her decision to abandon her people

>>713448846
Except her reasoning is still retarded and the "Pussyfooting" is objectively better than the obvious immoral choice of genocide that likely leads to monsters all dying and the choice of doing nothing and everyone losing hope. Hence why Toriel repeatedly gets fucked in neutral endings. She tries to sound logical but she isn't, and she's still partly responsible for what she is chastising Asgore for.

>>713442261
Did you speedread Undertale? Asriel, a child, fusing with a human was enough to BTFO humanity. Asgore is way, way more than enough if he just absorbed a single human soul.

>>713448612
are you implying that asgore should fuck kris?

>>713449378
>She left BEFORE he had actually killed any humans
how does this contradict my point
I specifically said she would not have stopped hating him if he had actually been proactive
this SUPPORTS my point, dumbass
>>713449381
>and the "Pussyfooting" is objectively better than the obvious immoral choice of genocide
You're pretending there were only two options

>>713449428
Actually no, I just liked that image. Your mind is twisted and you're beyond saving if your first thought was that.

>>713449391
>Asriel, a child, fusing with a human was enough to BTFO humanity
It wasn't even enough to beat one child

>>713437674 (OP)
lmao cuck

What’s the next step in his master plan?

>>713449498
There is no "Pretending", the choices were to try and go outside and get souls, which would lead to genocide, war or, at best, Asgore dying before he achieves anything, and the other choice besides the "Pussyfooting" was to live forever in the underground with no hope. Again, the "Pussyfooting" was the objectively best choice and I'm tired of people pretending it's not.

>>713449595
because of (You)
chara states him and asriel couldve killed all bloodlusted humans attacking them if not for asriel holding them back

>>713449725
>was to live forever in the underground with no hope
Asgore hiring Alphys to research artificial souls proves this is bullshit. With this and Mettaton you could easily have your precious false hope without declaring war.

>>713442509
Asriel, aka Flowey, loses to a fucking kid even when he has all the souls.
You're telling me a demonic plant that drops nuke gets overpowered by a kid yet, somehow, another soul would've made Flowey invincible against a world of bloodthirsty humans?
Furthermore just because 1 monster is uber powerful doesn't mean all monsters are uber powerful: if one giga monster went out on a rampage any army could go to the mountain and hold the others hostage.
Concentration camps aren't exactly a novel idea.

>>713449070
A better question is why do they consider Kris their child when they didn't consider Chara theirs in Undertale?

It's subtle, but if you pay attention both Toriel and Asgore both avoid calling Chara their child in UT, even when other characters such as Gerson or the monsters you encounter in New Home do. Even Asriel doesn't call Chara his sibling, but his "best friend".

Alright, now with a tread not about to be ded from-
>Now there's more deltarune threads than before
Gosh darn it...

Whatever, I made this for the dude that had the idea for piccolo.
Hope you're in this thread and not the other one.

>>713449707
>of course you would know that
>weirdo

>>713449595
Asgore solo'd 6, with one (integrity) being implied to have killed monsters
Humans without OUR soul cannot hope to stand vs. the strongest monster with a soul absorbed, this is kind of the whole point of undertale

>>713449845
He declared war in a grief-stricken fit of anger immediately after Asriel was killed, Alphys' research started much later. Should he have undeclared war?

>>713449971
Quoted by accident

>>713449845
You mean the artificial souls that lead to abominations and Mettaton who mainly did what they did because of admiration and a hope of meeting humans? It's also something that happened much later. Honestly, this all just solidifies that Asgore was making the better choice over Toriel.

>>713449905
>they didn't consider Chara theirs in Undertale?
They did, on the walk up to Asgore when the monsters talk about Chara dying and Asriel after that, they say "the kindgom fell into despair, the king and queen had lost two children in one night"

>>713449809
>if not for asriel holding them back
so they couldn't

>>713450047
My fault for expecting you to understand an implication.
The fact that, at any point in time ever, Asgore asked Alphys to research preserving monster souls to break the barrier, means that in a timeline where Asgore HADN'T declared war, he could have still ordered to start research on that. Which would give the monsters false hope.
And even WITHOUT that research, humans would fall in whether there was a declaration of war or not. Humans arrive, live, die of old age, their souls are preserved, eventually they'll get 7 and now Asgore doesn't have to pretend to want to commit genocide in the process either.

>>713450012
Humans sealed all of the monsters in the underground... somehow... even though we can't wield magic.
I'm pretty sure that even though the majority may be NPC wimps you could build an army of determined bastards that want nothing more to pillage monsterkind for all they're worth.
The entire concept around LOVE is that you grow stronger the more atrocities you commit... any army has soldiers that just want to hurt others for the sake of hurting others (or to get over their own trauma).

>>713437929
Don't worry he'll do Rudy soon enough

>>713437674 (OP)
People overlook the fact this nigga is as bad as freddy kreuger because he has cute privlege

>>713450242
What is this old age cope? Do you think Asgore is immortal and can just wait centuries for seven humans to fall down and live entire lives trapped in a cave? Do you think none of them would ever try to leave?

>>713450219
because asriel didn't want to, yes
if asriel wanted to then humanity was btfo'd

>>713450401
Asgore is immortal retard

>No, Kris and I were just neighbors! We were forceed to be together
>But also I have a blurry picture of him as my desktop background not even a picture of us together just him and I also always prepare notes to help him study and I always have a pen ready for him because he keeps losing or eating them and when he plays piano I like to close my eyes and it feels like a concert just for me. also I named my cactus after him
What is her fucking problem?

>>713449381
What Toriel clearly means is that Asgore should have been honest and backed out from the war with humans, telling monsters that they shouldn't hurt those that fell inside. Asgore was just too much of a coward and didn't want to disappoint his people.
Toriel isn't a saint but she clearly didn't want monsters hope to be based on the murder of children.

>>713450214
>They did

They don't. On the alarm clock dialogue Toriel refers to Chara as "someone I knew" (while explicitly calling Asriel her son two lines later).

https://undertale.com/alarmclock/flowey/

Asgore also calls Chara "the human who fell here long ago" while calling Asriel his son two lines later.

>>713450498
No he isn't dumbass, none of them are

>>713437674 (OP)
Asgore in Deltarune is weird. I didn't mind the divorce in Undertale, but everything involving it in Deltarune seems to be amplified and every characters negative trait is bigger in Delta than in Undertale. I don't know what's Toby's endgame.
>>713448612
Humans + Animals is based.

>>713450401
>Do you think Asgore is immortal
Ah, I think I get the thread now, it's asgorefags who don't fully remember undertale vs. regular fags who don't fully remember undertale.
How sad, thank god Toby makes Asgore look more and more pathetic every chapter.

>>713450580
I await your response.

>>713450530
She's bi and secretly in love with both Kris and Susie.This of course will upset a certain part of the community, even more so when the real endgoal turns out to be a harem with Berdly on top.

>>713450530
She also doesn’t ask her mom for a house key because she wants Kris to help break in

>>713450530
Noelle is kind of a huge bitch to Kris and Catti, if you think about it.
I wonder if it's on purpose that the literal school bully ended up being more loyal to her friends than Noelle.

I love this retarde so much

>>713450530
>teenager burying her feelings for mutual friend while trying to chat up her scaly fantasy
why indeed

>>713438776
Asgore has a LOST SOUL act that implies he did met all the other children.

>>713450682
Huh, I never saw that dialogue

>>713450401
Asgore is literally immortal you fucking mongoloid
and so much time passed between the last human and Frisk to the point the only monsters that even know what a human looks like are extremely old ones (Gerson), immortal ones (Asgore, Toriel, Flowey), and ones who saw them in fucking anime (Undyne, Alphys, Mettaton)

rudy bros...

>>713450760
He is quite endearing yes

>>713450860
Nigga is gonna die before seeing Dess again

>>713450610
TRVTHNVKE, we've been doing this same song and dance for over a decade.
Sans won.

>>713450860
When does this happen?
Did he become an amalgamate?

>>713450701
Actually, even outside this place Kriselle suddenly spiked in popularity because thanks to the Weird route scene and all the little hints that people started catching on that their friendship was a lot closer than what's being said.
And the best part is that the usual suspects can't actually shit on it no matter how much they want to because of the whole non binary thing. It's hilarious.

>>713450860
rudy is so fucking dying next chapter

>>713450530
everyone's being really fucking retarded and possibly trolling because of one scene where she says that THE SITUIATION LEADING TO BEING ON THE FERRIS WHEEL TOGETHER was FORCED, not them being friends.

>>713439294
He's wearing his Undertale outfit in the prophecy panel. But he won't be the boss, that will be Flowery. He's the flower man trapped in an asylum (glass cage).

>monsters are super weak paper skin bitches
>humans are OP and a single adult could one punch man all the monsters
>but if just one monster gets his hands on a human soul he becomes ultra OP and can one punch man all the humans
how the fuck does war between these work? either the humans genocide the monsters or a monster finds some unattended baby/retiree and genocides the humans.

>>713450862
He's our stand-in Papyrus levels of stupid.
But with an enormous ego to make it even better when he fails, feeling justified in his failures instead of adorable in his attempts.

>>713450956
https://undertale.com/alarmclock/asgore/

theres a bunch more alarm clock dialogue for other characters
CANON btw

>>713440417
This is because of Chara and DETERMINATION.

>>713451009
Don’t think about it. Undertale story is retarded

>>713450560
That still would've pretty much meant living with no hope, it's piss easy for Toriel to act like a wine mom and pretend having a higher moral ground when she's not the one having to weigh the happiness and hope of people versus uncertain decisions that may very well backfire. Which they did in many of the neutral endings where Toriel ended up queen. No matter how you spin it, they needed souls to ever have hope. In fact, the only single reason you even have a good ending is because you have 6 souls already, which wouldn't have happened without Asgore.

This is basically my gripe with Toriel, because her premise and everything is said is based on some naive view that it was just to "Not do it" or "Just stop the fake war" without any proposal or idea of how to actually solve the situation in any way.

>>713450986
My theory is that the schizo boss of Ch5 will literally just be Flowey, who is a darkner in this universe. A solo battle with Ralsei.

Tranny thread

>>713450969
Outside of having a rape fetish I don't see the point. If anything the close friendship thing just paints Noelle in a worse light.

>>713450609
toby said all the characters in UT get their happy ending which deltarune won't override, so DT is probably a "parallel" universe with slightly different soul metaphysics. the only characters of consequence are sans and papyrus, who are all but confirmed to have teleported to UT from DT.

>>713451009
Humans can defeat even soul powered monsters with the power of determination. So a war between the two is possible but eventually the humans would invariably win out.

>>713451135
That actually makes sense.

>>713451125
If waiting for humans to fall down to kill them was viable, then waiting for humans to fall down and die of old age would also be viable. It's not like you're in any hurry and he probably would have ended up with 6 souls by the time Frisk comes around anyways.

>>713451009
>monster finds some unattended baby/retiree and genocides the humans
monsters are canonically embedded to be good people at heart and wouldnt do that

the war probably went
>anyone who isnt asgore or gerson level gets wrecked instantly
>asgore and gerson (who undyne looks up to and calls the toughest monster who ever lived) can merely SURVIVE fighting humans
>"oh fuck lets surrender"

>>713437674 (OP)
You realized that he is actually the knight, right?

>>713451135
>Ralsei being relevant

>>713450860
The Asgore/Rudy arc in chapter 5 will be kino

>>713451135
Toby did make a stupid joke about Ralsei "always getting tangled up with flowers" or something like that.

>>713451284
The human hero was probably save scumming like crazy to ensure no human casualties

It's pretty clear Kris's knife turns into something in the Dark World.
Something he doesn't trust (YOU) to yield.
So, what does it become?

>>713443170
>>713449595
Frisk is special and not comparable to normal humans. Especially with Chara's essence attached to her.

I headcannon every human child character in this game as female.

>>713451481
x-slash

>>713439198
Toriel implied people who go up the mountain don't intend to live, Kris is subject to this observation.
Asglre didn't want to go out and murder, but he was fine to take the lives of those who came to him whom may not have wanted to live to begin with.
Still an abdominal act, but it's more so taking lives looking to be taken, rather than active and malicious murder.
Ashore had every right for revenge, but he never takes it, because he is not evil.

>>713451481
A guitar pick.

>Sans literally gets chucked into Undertale with no way to return
>Won

>>713451481
a knife
susie hasn't given it back yet

>>713451530
Cute boys >>>>> Cute girls

>>713451174
The popularity has nothing to do with the soul rape, rather with the tragic friendship between Kris and Noelle and how it fells off and broken.
The whole Noelle flashback about Kris comforting her and desperately trying to abort the weird route is one of the best character interactions in the game and it's notable with how it's one of the most memorable scenes in the chapter. (You) just ruining that moment also makes gives it just enough tragedy to make it loved.

What if humanity had to give up their potential for magic in order to create the barrier? What if no one in deltarune can use magic because both humans and monsters used it all to seal away the dark worlds.

>>713451262
That's assuming the humans would want to stay to begin with and I aint sure if it's confirmed if everyone who died were even kids when they came into the underground. There's no real telling how many hundreds or even thousands of years it'd take then. At best ASgore might try and withdraw the declaration of killing humans, but there's no certainty anyone would listen or even like that. I really don't think there was ever an "Easy" solution and that what people call "Pussyfooting" was honestly the safer and more humane option.

>>713437674 (OP)
I like how pathetic he is
He will be a joke character in chapter 5

>>713451032
>first met at hotland university
Hold the fuck up, so asgore was a teenage king? And then he went to university after all of the new infrastructure in the underground was built?

>>713451723
yeah but I am the cute boy, they are the cute girls.

>>713451481
>susie doesnt give it back and doesnt comment on what it turns into
btfos this theory
which is unfortunate, because it would be really cool
unless, ralsei is the knife of course

>>713451794
>gaster predates asgore
holy schizaroni

Chara just fits more as a bratty shota than a tomboy

>he misses his ex so he is le ragebait
who cares if there are some cringy puns in a game packed full of them. hes just there to make you laugh like sans

I feel like the whole Weird Route stuff is a homage to 2000s vidya creepypasta stories.
Think about it
>Finding "secret games" on chapter 3
>That creepy "You were used up" on said secret game
>Putting 1225 on the gumball machine takes you to some sort of backrooms space
>The meta narrative being cranked up to a thousand
BRAVO TOBY

>>713451763
>There's no real telling how many hundreds or even thousands of years it'd take then
Anon the timeframe literally wouldn't change. It is assumed that 6 humans fell and 6 humans died. Because if humans fell and didn't die it means they left, and to leave Asgore would have needed to die.

>>713451984
he's embarrassing, cringe, whatever
not funny
he'd be better off dead

>>713451191
Yeah, I know. Not really related to what I said about the Undertale cast in Deltarune being worser people than they were in Undertale.
>>713451135
I feel like people expecting another solo battle are falling into patternfagging. Even so the schizoboss will probably use the blue SOUL instead. I genuinely bet on Papyrus as the schizo.

>>713451864
>unless, ralsei is the knife of course
Whatever he is, I'm sure he is taking the form of Asgore's younger self.

>>713451763
The thing is that, if Asgore was really set on the path of freeing the monsters, he would have made that sacrifice to his happiness for them. Him sitting on his ass and waiting God knows how long until six more humans fall down does nothing to help the monsters and only makes him more miserable, because those who fall down will likely not deserve to be killed.
At the very least he could have gone out and see if he could harvest someone who died of natural causes or on some accident.

>>713451946
I do not care about Chara. He insists upon himself.

>>713450983
No, she literally tries her hardest to hide any past relationship with Kris from Susie
Which is so fucking stupid and isn't just that dialogue alone

>>713451864
The sweater is Ralsei
Susie just didn't notice it

He was pathetic since undertale
The question is why the fuck are you self inseting as assgore
He was basically set up as irremedable again in ch4
"if we solve the dess case we can go back to old times"

>>713451530
Um, based?
>>713451723
Faggot alert!

Toriel is literally right. If Asgore actually believed in setting his people free, he could kill one human, walk out and get the rest to break the barrier. He doesn't, because he doesn't want to kill people.
But he is too much of a spineless coward to walk back on a decision that nobody ever forced him to make and that nobody would punish him for undoing. So he sits there and stalls as much as possible, neither getting his people free nor refusing to murder innocent people as he clearly wants to. Asgore is a little bitch and he deserves everything that happened to him.

>>713451736
They were hardly friends to begin with

>>713450983
Yeah, I interpreted it as 'people kinda expected us to like each other romantically but it was kinda forced'. Which goes in line with Noelle possibly having untapped feelings for Kris, which is explored in the snowgrave route.

Neither sees each other as friends anymore but it feels more like circumstantial thing caused by their families drifting apart after Dess disappeared.
So far there a theme of people overthinking what being/having friends is

>>713452191
>self inseting as assgore
no one does that
it's empathy

why is every chara poster insufferable?

>>713451946
Bratty shotas are cringe, and thankfully this artists knows this since he blesses us with cute humans all the time.

Your IQ depending on your ship:
>Sub 80, barely human
Suselle
>100, average
Kriselle
> Over 120, intelligent
Krusie

>>713452313
because chara themselves was insufferable prick only the dreemurr could love

How is anyone still an Asgorefag after thr eggs husband scene?

>>713452095
That would risk causing another war or Asgore being attacked and killed. Even Frisk could handle ASriel with the equivalent of 7 souls- Humans who fall into the underground generally wanted to die at the very least. As much as people like to meme on Asgore, he frankly probably made the best choice in the end.

I think Chara (male) and Asriel should fuck. This is, of course, impossible in the Deltarune universe, as Chara does not exist.

>>713452157
I still think that the worst hit against Suzie and Noelle together isn't anything she did this chapter, rather how in chapter two near the end when they are fighting Queen, Noelle only acknowledges Suzie being there. She says "Suzie you came to save me" and "leave Suzie alone" among other things that completely ignore that Kris and Ralsei are also there. It felt weird and pointless pandering.

>>713452313
It's a single pedo gook. They're samefagging becuase no one cares about his shitty pixiv loli doodles.

>>713452313
Because Chara OWNS (you).

How is anyone still an Asgorefag after he got cucked by Sans, in both universes?

https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/437150103/#437153623
Torielbros... It's over...

What are Kriscels going to do when none of their ships become canon?

>>713439198
>The king of monsters leaves his home and makes contact with humans for the first time in hundreds of years
>The first thing he does is murder 6 people
Yeah that totally won't cause another human vs monster war. Toriel's logic is beyond retarded.

>>713440381
Toriel is a terrible wife and queen. This is reinforced a couple of the neutral endings. She loves to bail on her people when the chips are down

Can the mods ban the kiddy diddler spamming about Chara already

>>713452383
Where does Kerdly land me?

>>713452425
>he gave me the ick this one time so he deserves to have a shitty life
didn't know that women posted in these threads

>>713452383
>140
Krusielle.
>160+
Krerdly.
>>713452430
No, it wouldn't risk shit. They are ALREADY going to have another war. It's simple, he takes the soul, becomes nigh unbeatable unless he literally sits there and eats it like Asriel, kills six humans (becoming more powerful and unkillable with each kill) and finishes the job.

>>713440898
Then why kill humans at all? Why not just let them leave the underground

>>713452467
>>713452594
Meds.

>>713452619
Over 200 IQ, you're so smart you can't do anything but shitpost about everything.

>>713452383
>female
gross

>>713438931
>>you pathetic whelp, instead of staying down here and killing humans, you could have crossed the barrier and killed humans
the difference here is hundreds of years of his people being trapped in a shithole

>>713452547
>Yeah that totally won't cause another human vs monster war. Toriel's logic is beyond retarded.
he ALREADY is going to cause another war you absolute retard. that is literally the number one propaganda line. they'll have another war but this time they can win because Asgore will be an omnipotent god.

>>713452480
>Deletes two files

>>713452383
What about Karkat's Diagram?

>>713443189
Only boss monsters can do the god mode thing with a human soul no?

>>713452594
>"Mods plz ban the guy posting about a fictional character :("
You're the biggest faggot here, there's plenty of other sites to go to if someone possibly jerking it to a drawing bothers you.

>>713452619
>Kerdly

>>713452625
asgore's shitty life is literally his fault. carol is giving him everything he needs to succeed it's just that he refuses to just actually sell his goddamn flowers. he gives that shit away.

>>713451794
i think it makes more sense as some sort of official visit, because of
>Even when I first met him at Hotland University, he always called me "big guy".
which makes as sense if it's rudy being really informal with the king but less if asgore's a fellow student

>>713452547
>>713452721
The monsters can easily spin it however they want, they can just say it was suicide victims or schizos who willingly gave up their souls to help the monsters.

>>713452383
Normal route Kriselle shippers are just beyond delusional to the point where they're only hurting themselves. Suselle shippers are somewhat smart, knowing the awful ship will happen no matter what and they also know that publicly speaking out against it on Twitter will get them lynched. Those who cannot form opinions, but know it's easier to always go with the winning team. Krusie fags simply know better than Toby which romances work and which don't.

>>713452619
>Spamton Neo traumatized Kris less than perspective of going to festival with Berdly
Damn, Toby is so good at sinking ships he might just make a career in JMSDF.

>>713452870
I wonder if breaking his arm in chapter 2 will have any consequences in chapter 5

>>713452648
He can only do that once and it involves him dying. Not the guy you're arguing with, just pointing this out.

>>713452271
Because something was there, even Ramb ends up asking how are the two doing and if they're together yet
It's not really forced, it's Noelle being insecure and double guessing as Kris drifted away from her, whether you like it or not they did spend way too much time together and when Susie pressed on her feelings, she just had to stomp it down before it became apparent
When it's just the two in Cyber World, she actively reminisces about their past together, every small thing is laced with nostalgia and she has a lot of fun

>>713452936
they don't need to spin anything. kill 7 people and they win, simple as.

>>713437858
Asgore's actions in Undertale are the only things actually helping his people
His only mistake was not going harder on the child killing to save his entire species

>>713452271
It's actually the other way around. Noelle says to Suzie that they were just neighbors so that's why they saw each other a lot, when it's clear that they were almost cousins with how close their families were.
Whatever happened to Dess caused a rift between their families with Toriel not even calling Carol by name. Yes, Noelle and Kris now are not really close friends now but to say that he was just a boy she played with sometimes is intentionally lying.

>>713452383
I literally just want to see Kris happy at the end of the game

>>713449971
I didn't lick it, but I did feel it with my nose.

Normal route will have Vessel, Susie, and Ralsei vs Kris, Noelle, and Lancer.
Weird route will have Vessel, Noelle, and Lancer vs Kris, Susie, and Ralsei.

>>713453019
Asgore doesn't want to murder all humans.

>>713452061
>I feel like people expecting another solo battle are falling into patternfagging.

In this case I would agree, but...
https://twitter.com/tobyfox/status/1260366880285569030?t=mIdRNcRXRoQqbbG4KyTQ9Q&s=19

>>713452860
>xiaongshu you arl faggot white boy

>>713452974
That and heating him up both probably will have consequences I imagine. There's a special sound if you do warm Berdly up in the hospital so I at least assume it's pretty much going to be the reason Berdly may come back from a graveroute run.

>>713452501
>Lusting for Noelle and Susie immediately
>Basedjack bait posters
>Cute humans posting
>Male Charafags being annoying.
Holy shit, nothing changed.

>>713453182
Kill yourself gook

>>713452501
>7 years ago.
They didn't know.

>>713453072
Carol probably hasn't helped anything by apparently pushing Asgore to keep pestering Toriel to start their relationship again.
Going by her house,.keeping Dess' room exactly the same and the themes of Ch3-4 involving the past and predestination, it sounds like Carol is someone who doesn't like changes to the status quo and wants stuff to stay as it "should be"

>>713452383
>Kriselle
>average
Doubt, a lot of people completely miss it out on in comparison to Krusie which is way more blatant
I'd invert the two just for that reason, no offensd

>>713453087
And how was raping Noelle supposed to help with that?

>>713452726
Yet she still lives in your head rent free.

>>713453287
Kriselle is for retards, I don't want to see Noelle happy, she's a depraved doe.

>>713453101
well maybe then he should stop pushing "kill all humans" as the party line

>>713452721
Only the retarded monsters say there's going to be a war, the last thing Asgore wants to do is start another one. The pacifist route proves humans aren't even hostile to monsters anymore anyways.

>>713450860
Susie is going to full heal him in the dark world (assuming you leveled it). Trust the plan

>>713453295
Kill yourself pedogook

Look at this slut.

>>713453345
So it's a list based upon prejudice
No point in arguing further then

>>713452383
>shiping
Pathetic self insert

>>713453132
>>713453237
>Shartynigger.

>>713451284
I'm glad they dropped the whole "monsters are literally made of wet tissue paper and air" angle from Undertale cause it was fucking retarded and made less sense the more you think about it

I think people overplay how much Kris hates (you). On the normal route he only really does anything against you when you are about to ruin whatever his plans with the Knight are by seeing the shelter code. He even helps you on Tenna's quizzes.
The only point in the game where he actually hates you is when you do Snowgrave.

>>713453518
Kill yourself pedogook

>>713453041
>"Damn, this water is making me bricked the fuck up"
>>713453132
You're on an image board website with dedicated loli threads, kindly kill yourself, we both know you're probably diddling kids given the ratio of real kiddy diddlers among people that act upset over drawings even though it doesn't help any real kids.

>>713452313
Lolifaggots are insufferable niggers by default, it's in their nature

>>713453373
"kill all humans" is an order that came out of his mouth. the status quo he enforces is that humans are enemies to be killed on sight. if his top royal guard and everyone around his capital believes that shit it doesn't fucking matter if he deep down disagrees. Asgore could walk out at literally any moment and say there's not going to be a war, the fact he hasn't means that there will be one.

>>713453461
Whoriel

test

>>713438805
No character is morally complex or interesting if you start being reductive.

>>713453576
Peak writing to be honest.

>>713453087
I just want to see Suselle not happen at the end of the game. I'll accept Noelle getting boned by Papyrus if need be.

>>713453607
Kill yourself chink take your loli shit somewhere else

>>713437858
He wasn't a pussy in Undertale. He literally took matters in his own hands and risked another war with humanity just for a chance for freedom.

Now the way he went about that could be argued as kinda stupid but with good intentions. Especially when Frisk was involved.

>>713453576
maybe you, i'm still reeling from the bush scene. fuck that cringe retard.

>>713453558
They just got angry at Kris manhandling them during the Noelle mansion section and I don't he helps with the quizzes because he wants to but because he doesn't want to look like an idiot who doesn't know about himself.
But yes, I don't Kris hates us normally, but he also doesn't really appreciate us or the fact we are using his body as a puppet.

>>713452501
So toriel went from a gigakek to this based smash bros character Chad?
How is this bad again?

>>713453018
Hell, even when Kris starts picking options that are more inclined towards Noelle, she starts getting more giddy.
For example, when Kris gives her a gift, she's already flustered and considering if Kris wants "things to go back the way they were"
Her feelings were put away and conserved deep down, afraid to be opened up and Chapter 4 Snowgrave is very clear about it

>>713453652
The pacifist route already proves you wrong. All the monsters are free and none of them seem to treat humans as enemies now.

>>713452594
>the same 10 shitty fucking pixiv images
>every
>single
>fucking
>thread

>>713453576
Not me. I like sluts.

Noelle cuts herself.

>>713453848
I'm surprised anons defend him in that scene, it's so depraved

>>713453920
Jannies must love that poster because they're trannies themselves and love that shit.

>>713453794
>He wasn't a pussy in Undertale. He literally took matters in his own hands and risked another war with humanity just for a chance for freedom.
he literally did not. he could have taken matters into his own hands at any moment and walked through the barrier. hell, he could have walked out of his fucking palace and collected your SOUL; there are literally dozens of malicious actors who could have easily intercepted it or destroyed it in the process, like Mettaton.

>>713453873
Are you saying Noelle's feelings are in some kind of


Snowgrave?

>>713453870
>Mom ditches son.
>Son is scared and think she's in danger, searches for her with his friends.
>Unable to find her. Walk home in the rain after dark with his friend.
>Comes home to see his mom falling over drunk and "dancing" with some literal who who was an ass to them earlier. She met Sans just 2 days ago.
>Mom doesn't ask where son was. Was not worried about him being out late. Did not even tell him she was home.
>Friend is disturbed by this. Had built up an image of a good caring mother in her head that has now been shattered. Is unable to stick around and goes home.
>Mom tells son there's food in the fridge for him.
>There isn't it
>Is forced to listen to them "dance" (have sex) when he's trying to sleep.
>His parents are divorced and he misses his dad btw.

>>713452594
>>713453920
Where? The faggot shilling Kris x Dess didn't post yet....

>>713453884
the pacifist route only happens because nearly the entire monster population explicitly defies Asgore's decrees.

>>713453998
Noelle is just a slut

>>713453794
Waiting for people to fall down a hole in a forgotten abandoned mountain isn't really taking matters into your own hands. Humans probably don't even remember that monsters love there other than folk tales.

>>713452501
>destroyed both Torielfags and Sans fujos in one fell, merciless swoop
Toby you might act like a colossal faggot sometimes but you're also a real nigga

>>713452061
>Not really related to what I said about the Undertale cast in Deltarune being worser people than they were in Undertale.

It seems to be an intentional choice.
>Toriel in Undertale is portrayed as a loving mother
>In Deltarune she is a drunktard who neglects one of her child's
>Asgore in Undertale is an honorable king trying to do the best for his people
>In Deltarune he is just a divorced dad trying to pay rent
>Sans in Undertale is the last one standing between you and the destruction of the world
>i befriended your mom, kiddo
>Papyrus and Undyne in UT are both extroverts who love the attention
>both are recluses in DR. Papyrus might not even exist.
>Undyne is the leader of the royal guard in UT, considered a hero by everyone
>In DR she is a cop who gets captured immediately by the Knight
>Alphys...
>Okay, I've got nothing on Alphys. She is probably a better person in the DR universe. She might be Susie's adoptive mom though.

>>713453998
Goddammit anon.

>>713454081
Most monsters can't even tell that Frisk is a human

>>713453848
I feel bad for him but at the same time show some dignity for fucks sake dude

>>713454156
he can't delete years of fan art

>>713453292
trust the plan

>>713454030
This succinctly sums up why a lot of people felt a distaste or dislike for Toriel in this scene. Even if not everyone can put into words why they felt this way, it's basically this. I don't think Toriel is a bad mother overall, but she clearly showed some big flaws here and it was at the worst time too.

>>713453848
Honestly fuck them both lmao

I feel the only option when it comes to humanfag is to just kill yourself because it’s a lose lose situation
>you tell him to fuck off
>he stays around
or
>you do nothing
>he stays around
there’s no winning when it comes to people who have too much persistence to stay in a place where nobody likes them

Please tell me someone has drawn this.
>>713453576
I've been rooting for Asgore from the start. Even in UT Toriel came off as really fake.

>>713454229
True that, which is why you'll get more Sans scenes next chapter!

>>713453292
New trauma to beat old trauma, where they actually can bond over

>>713453523
How else would humans force monsterkind underground if the latter weren't incredibly weak?

>>713454313
SHE. OWES. ME. SEX.

>>713454313
Catti got it worse than Asgore

>>713453848
I want Asgore dead

>>713454313
filter the md5s in 4chanx and hide the stubs that works too

>>713453920
You are having a huge meltdown today, shartynigger.

>>713440116
Anon, if you were a doctor and a giant fucking goat monster with a trident showed up and said "Hey, could I have the souls of six of your patients pretty please?", what would you do?

Why did Toby put Mom NTR in the game?

>the "BERDLY" followed by ralsei telling kris he doesnt have to repeat himself is real
holy shit kek

>>713454368
no one likes her to begin with
jockington doesn't count

>>713454420
to make people hate sans

>>713454468
noelle

>>713454468
I know seriously

>>713454157
>And Undyne.
You mean Mettaton? And yeah, looking that way it does seem like intentional subversion. Still not super huge on it, though.

>>713453884
We don't technically see any humans in the pacifist ending - besides frisk.
We definitely don't see how humans react to the sudden appearance of monsters, or how the two groups interact.
I somehow doubt there was a perfect integration.

>>713454450
It's always funny how much shit that happens in game can easily be mistaken as someone shitposting or trying to fuck with you.

>>713454552
Kill yourself pedogook

>>713454514
Noelle doesn't like Catti either. She also threw Catti under the bus and started shit talking her for Susie

Protect.

>>713454403
>it still thinks there's only one person who's tired of his bot-tier spamming and taking up image slots
You are a literal cancer on these threads that already manage to just barely get by thanks to the tranny mods seething about a game getting real discussion, if you wanted to improve the level of discussion going on in these threads you would stop posting altogether since the quality of your input is comparable to a spambot

>>713454468
>jockington doesn't count
I would kill to be that nigga. Just someone utterly dependent on my fat gf to do anything, and she dresses me up and shit. God what I'd give.

>>713454156
>sans/toriel
>fujos
Are all mommy issue faggots this retarded?

>>713454450
Didn't know he liked Berdly so much

>>713454640
>Kris is about to be killed
>NO DON'T HURT SUSIE!!

>>713454628
You guys keep saying this, but I have not seen that dialogue, and she stayed over at Catti's house in Ch. 1

>>713454628
Where? When?

>>713454687
Only women like Sans

>>713454708
Would be kino if it was Noelle that breaks up the inevitable Kris + Susie fight.

>>713454754
I'm male

>>713454313
Cattifag... I didn't expect that fron you... I just discuss topics while posting cute humans, why is 4chan so easily triggered?

>>713454708
There’s a reason why everyone on here says Noelle’s character takes a nosedive everytime Susie is on screen with her

>>713454708
That was only because Queen asked her about specifically Susie.
Shipfags suffer under the tunnel effect so bad

>>713454713
>>713454749
It's in Chapter 4 when you're in the basement I think. Says something about Catti being annoying for taking scary stuff too seriously

>>713454420
He unironically hates his creation, sans, now

>>713454827
You're a faggot, you barely count

>>713454886
Post it then.

>>713454848
Well there's a reason why, because the Queen knew Noelle only cares about Susie's lizard pussy

>>713454661
As I said, huge meltdown today.

>>713454949
hot...

>>713453986
Didn't he need seven souls to cross the barrier?

>>713454708
That's such a weird scene. At the very least she could have said them first and then focus on something Susie was saying but it's like Kris and Ralsei didn't even exists in her dialogue. More than anything she did in chapter 4, that made Noelle look like a bitch.

>>713454772
>Kris + Susie fight
It's going to be Susie and Kris vs (you) when the truth slips and she finds out about your existence

>>713454895
You will be suicidal for chapter 5 I bet
>aieeee no more cukgore cucking please Toby sama!!!

>>713455002
only one
7 to destroy it

The festival won't happen.

Kris and Susie will get caught up in the flower king dark world and Noelle will get ghosted.

>>713452165
So when Ralsei hugs Susie it's actually...?

>nice nerdy church girl
>actually a complete mentally ill masochist murderer dyke
How did Rudy and Carol fuck up so badly?

>>713455002
He needs only one to cross the barrier by himself, it's what Chara and Asriel did. The seven are required only to completely break the barrier.

>>713455002
No. Asriel literally did with one in his backstory.

>>713454978
>seething so furiously he can't even muster the strength to pick another one of his dogshit pics from his 10 image folder

>>713455117
going to church turns you into a masochist it's kind of like the whole point.

>>713454848
There are retards that still think the guitar scene was a net positive when Noelle blurts out literally the projection of Dess upon Susie

>>713455002
One Human Soul + one Monster Soul is enough.
Although OF's reality warping seems to push Frisk outside the barrier after everything's over.

>>713455117
Blame Dess for being so great a sister that her dying left her with some traumatic terror fetish.

>>713455117
They didn't. You're exaggerating.

>>713455071
Im a sanschad, I can realize when Toby is shafting him.

>>713455092
Extremely based outcome

>>713455117
>pathetic self insert exposed hard
Trannoid she barely has an opinion you basically control her and she is scared of you

>>713452669
Okay, that was clever.

>>713455117
Dess also raped her.

>>713451481
>It's pretty clear Kris's knife turns into something in the Dark World.
>Something he doesn't trust (YOU) to yield.
>So, what does it become?
susie's tail

>>713455082
Noelle is kind of a cunt, isn't she? She's like the same as the Monster Kid. Susie herself would never let people shit on Kris or Ralsei or Lancer like that.

>>713455170
Because I wanted to bait (you) into another samefagging confession. Or another text wall meltdown.

>>713452669
kek

>>713455082
God forbid a nigga have hobbies they like I guess

>>713452669
>No smiling Chara saying Stab him
Missed opportunity

>>713455290
Imagine snowgrave Noelle realizing Kris left her for Susie

>>713455323
>i didn't play the game

>>713455231
... He literally saved toriel from kris sacrificing her at the church and boned her like a good body guard

>>713453095
Also if you swiped your hand on the screen, it would smell funny for a little bit. I think.

>>713455117
>complete mentally ill masochist murderer dyke
ackshually she's just a autistic teenage doe dyke that's into scary shit
you(basically a god)turn her into the completely mentally ill murderer

What if you make Kris go with Berdly and he ends up being really sweet and Kris actually has a good time with him

>>713453576
He's always been my K I N G

>>713455442
All I did was tell her to Iceshock and proceed. Everything else was her own doing and desires

>>713455387
>still too mad to repost his dogshit art

>>713437674 (OP)
All furry males deserve to get cucked by human men

>>713455290
I'm not even shipping. That just seems like the best outcome for character development. Especially for both routes. A Noelle really looking forward to see Kris is also a Noelle that will be really disapointed.

>>713455471
Don't care. The Krusielle agenda is priority.

>>713455442
>Just following orders!

She's fully responsible for her own actions

>>713455117
>puts the fear of god in the girl
>god (you)(the angel) speaks directly to her
fucking based

>>713455425
>He literally saved Toriel from a thing that didn't happen
We've been over this, Undyne was the real target, Toriel and the church are just bait for Susie (and you).

>>713455540
Because you told her that's how the world works under the guise of her best best childhood friend with a fucked up hypno voice. And a ring that gradually trances her

THE KNIGHT SPLITS THE BULLET BOARD IN HALF AND DARK DROPS BEGIN SPILLING OUT. DARKNESS AND WATER ARE REFERENCED HAND IN HAND IN DELTARUNE. IS THE BULLET BOARD'S BACKGROUND NOT ACTUALLY JUST BLACK, BUT FILLED WITH THE BITTER WATER REFERENCED IN THE LIBRARY?>>713439410

>>713455584
Back to the corner, Rouxls

I... I like Suslsei....

>>713455564
Actually, we need interspecies swinging.

>>713455082
Shipping glasses plus her being a female makes her get away with so much shit
Berdly at least has redeemable qualities, what the fuck is this

<3 Kris will fuck Berdly.

>>713455786
disgusting

What’s his endgame?

>>713455848
>>713455372
she speaks ill of other people but hides it behind her supposed "shyness" with a bunch of "hmm..."s and incomplete sentences. it is very shitty if you think about it

>>713455848
berdly also shittalks people behind their back

>>713455937
HIS DELTARUNE
Sex with (You)
Watching cool fights.

>>713455786
Based.

>>713455082
Constantly bending over to appease a higher authority will be Noelle’s downfall and I’m all for it.

post yfw ralsei unlocks a fire spell and burns down the dark world next chapter

>>713451583
while morally good to not actively seek to end lives, it is choice that leads his people to suffer further underground. as a king you are not just beholden to yourself.

>>713455802
Are you ever going to make an actually worthwhile post instead of spamming?

>>713455937
Plop you into the world to do some whack ass shit cause it'd be funny

I... I like sansie..

>>713455117
It's mainly just Toby forcing a stereotype on Noelle and Ralsei and all characters like them so that they fit into his BDSM gooner brained mold.
There's a point where it's clearly just 'author's thinly veiled fetish'

>>713455937
Nothing, he's just bored.

>>713455723
>The dark within the bullet board actually begins leaking and bubbling forming the droplets when it's split
TOBY

why don't we ever see other humans?
I think the egg guy should be a human

>>713455082
This just means that Catti is a nitpicker who cannot shut up during the film. Even if they are friends, someone who does that makes trying to watch movies a chore.

>>713456171
They live in their own segregated districts

>>713456231
But it's a consistent pattern with Noelle

>>713455082
Don't we all have friends that do at least one annoying thing? You can still be friends with someone yet still have some opinions on what they do. Even in this dialogue the way Noelle says it isn't even really that bad. She isn't throwing Catti under the bus, she just acknowledges that yes, Catti overanalyzing stuff can be annoying. Much like id expect some of you to find that annoying, even if you don't voice it. Throwing Catti under the bus would have Noelle saying something much harsher than "Well, it CAN be a bit annoying..."

>>713455937
well I assume he can only observe this world while we are playing, he seems to be interested in the choices we make and wants to see determination as he comments on you fighting the knight, darker than dark was the thesis that essentially drove him mad, so I also assume him being around is what makes opening the dark fountains possible. Maybe he was simply stranded in this world after someone opened the fountain in the bunker?

OUR HEROES

>>713440417
The power of love!

Herro
I'm chine
I come ovah
From beijing
I pray pingpong and pray to buddha and say chingchongchongching

>>713456452
All art of 7ft tall gigastacy Susie is funny as hell when she's so short in the actual game

goat frotting

>>713456452
That kris VS susie final fight is going to be amazing

>>713456452
...and Kris
...and Ralsei

>>713456297
who else does she shit on other Kris(which is a stretch)
because two does not make a pattern

goat frothing
(he has rabies)

>>713456518
he would say this

>>713455082
>Noelle goes to shit whenever in proximity to Susie
Unsurprising

>>713456518
Wtf don't spoil Frisk's dialogue for chapter 5

they/thems

>>713456519
She's got a big personality

>>713456606
>flashing her panties to the boys
Slut (complimentary)

>self inserts seething that noelle was forced to be kris friend
Kek

YOUR TRYING TOO HARD

>>713448846
It's not so much illiteracy but people having a massive chip on their shoulder for Toriel/Asgore, and the fact the game released over a decade ago.
Both Toriel and Asgore were correct in some things, and wrong in others. Toriel being extremely pacifist/kind towards Frisk can be seen as a motivator for the player to not just mindlessly kill every monster he/she comes across. Toriel was the "I want you to do good/not all monster are bad" first impression.

Meanwhile Asgore set everything up to actually free the monsters (he originally collected the previous six souls), and even concedes to freeing you.

So we all agree that the Goner Bird personally killed Onion, right?

>>713456798
Someone's gotta enroll Jackenstein into an English class or something

>>713456037
(You) first, hall monitor.
>>713456171
They're all with me. Serious answer, they are probably in another town or something. We know humans still exist thanks to the book and off-hand Susie comments.

>>713456880
Why the bird specifically

>>713456917
because he tells you not to wait for onion by teleporting to his spot inexplicably

>>713456775
Forced friends dont leave em as their computer wallpaper and repeatedly reminisce fondly and long for the good old days with them. Noelle is full of shit when she says it was forced.

>>713456452
>Susie
Hero
>Kris
Not a hero.
>Ralsei.
Starting to become one.
>>713456518
She would NOT say this.

I wish berdly was a obligatory party member but Its clear Toby want to prioritize the trio

which one?

Kris and Noelle were extremely close and Noelle is vague about it because the context is different for her now. The length of the estrangement made her bury her feelings for Kris and Ch. 2 shows how much she's missed being with him. Them being older has mixed her up because now she's considering things in a bit more of a romantic light than she did as a kid and she isn't really comfortable with that. Kris took Dess's disappearance as harder if not harder than Noelle since until Susie Dess was the only person that was on a similar wavelength to Kris. Everything Kris is doing is for Dess

>>713456980
t. Self inserted too hard

>>713454420
Because it's funny.

>>713457041
Rape loli Catti

>>713457041
berdly
unf

>>713456798
YOUR TOO HARD

>>713437674 (OP)
He was one of the best characters in undertale. I have faith that toby will do something interesting with him. Not sure what though, he's still just a suspicious current simp and former head of police. Pretty much the same understanding we had of him in the first or 2nd chapter.

>>713456967
While he's at the shore he also still in the librarby, some fuckery is going on

>shitting on Kriselle starts while Kress faggotry is absent
Hmm, I'm noticing...

>>713457195
He'll have to return to police force after Undyne gets legally proclaimed dead.

>>713457041
My man Jockington. His sport blessing protected us from the curse from the stray cat's curse and that alone makes him better than all the other useless nerds.

>>713456137
It looks more like fire to me.

>>713457224
you may be onto something
>>713457109

I wanted Krisemmie..

I hope Toby delivers the berdly/kris kino
Bros over hoes

>>713450530
>>713450706
>>713452271
>>713453018
>>713453873
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byUCuhB8r5Q

Darth Vader Deltarune?

>>713457195
https://youtu.be/WYncZhcJJMI

>>713457041
susie is unironically the cutest one here

>>713457489
Berdly being gay would make me dislike Toby much more. He always resorts to making shitty characters gay as if that somehow fixes them

Dess is going to sacrifice herself at the end so that none of the more popular characters have to do it.

>>713457678
I can't wait to cuck Kris and have Dino puss all for myself

>>713457610
it does
I would love that

>>713457540
Susie is the cutest one everywhere.

>>713456519
On a similar note I don't understand why Ralsei is always depicted as a foot shorter than Kris when he's literally taller than them in game

>>713457678
Holy canon.

>>713457749
purple yoshi!

>>713450530
I feel that Susie and Noelle are both bisexual because there's A LOT of instances of them having chemistry that goes beyond something platonic.
it's like how Alphys is also bisexual since she wanted to fuck Asgore but only gets remembered as being purely a lesbian because of her and Undyne.

Noelle has some deep rooted feelings for Kris.

Ralsei negro > blanco

>>713457508
>all the comments about "le hecking wholesome lesbians" being interrupted by kris and the soul
It's called THE DISTANCE BETWEEN TWO fucker it's not about your ship

>>713457749
moomin ass nigga

>>713457828
PLATONIC

>>713457678
We all know this is going to happen, but it will be even more kino when they reconcile and Susie realizes all the goblin moments were Kris

>suselletrannies trying to FORCE platonic after one word BTFO their interactions
At least they did learn something from the FORCED interactions!

>>713457508
>Toby is just a hack for not making my delusional ship canon
Oh man is going to be so fucking funny to see these dudes seethe.
Same goes for the lesbian shit

>>713455530
why does he have homophobia?

>>713457678
Kris would unironically go “billions must die” if this happens

>>713458021
What are you, a cuck?

>>713457508
>Dess (???)
>Kris drifts, Noelle isn't emotionally strong enough/perceptive to not allow him to slip her by
>Kris obviously gets in with a [bad crowd], triple trucies
NOT ANYMORE
I WANT THE GOOD END

>>713458053
cute. I really hope the ending will be kind to her

>>713450860
>receives pain to become stronger

>>713457678
>Holy shit, two friends!

>>713458137
Nah I'm the greatest wingman the world has ever known and I have the doe pussy for myself

>>713457828
Everyone in these games is bisexual.

>>713458136
>restart the game in the same slot as this
>kris remembers it
>doesn't even fight you anymore, won't stop you doing snowgrave either

You guys are delusional if you think that the game won't have an open ending for all the pairings and you can interpret who got together with who.

>>713458190
I really don’t see how Susie could ever accept the soul, especially if she knows Kris is suffering

>>713457828
Undertale monsters are canonically sexless so they don't count.
Deltarune, I get the impression they don't care either way. Maybe they have something like Undertale monsters where any two can have kids with magic.

>>713457868
people are stupid and think it's gonna be a "oooohhhh who do I choose" type shit
Kris is eventually going to fully side with the Knight and lock you up, Susie will find you, Susie will want to get Kris back no matter what, there will never be a point where Susie "chooses between you", because she's gonna shove you right back into that emo bitch first chance she gets

>>713457678
naah we only gave orders, Kris is the one that acted them out. She's very clearly Kris's friend. I hope she doesn't hate us when she finds out what we are.

>>713458247
Romance in this game was a huge mistake.

>>713458117
kek

>>713458310
No, I think you're just seething because you're lesbophobic.

>>713452383
Elkris
> over 200 IQ

>>713458268
making Kris suffer is not mandatory

>>713458353
rugmuncherphobic perhaps even?

>>713458218
the only true gays are the knight bros

>Noelle is responsible for Dess dying but is repressing the memories
>Asgore was talking with Kris on the phone, not Carol
>The shadow mantle is the final boss

>>713458383
but Kris suffering is

>>713458353
>/v/ after chapter 7

>>713458353
he/him

>>713458154
>>713458053
unconventionally cute tomboy……

>>713458489
But we are not the source of that so why bring it up in a discussion about whether Susie would like us or not

>>713454708
>>713454840
Off-/v/ people treat Berdly like a creep while Noelle sucking Susies spit of a water fountain is OK because apparently being queer is just a license just be a disgusting pervert.

>>713458464
Holy headcanon, they're just broes

>>713453986
dogshit idea that would have gotten many more people killed, which makes sense because the two people who though of it are horrible pieces of shit (chara and toriel)

>>713458558
It’s ok when women do it

>>713458580
But enough about Krusie...

>>713458464
Even they could be bisexual. It doesn't specifically state they're homosexual.

>>713458353
I can tolerate Alphys and Undyne by this point, but Suselle is so fucking bad.

>Chapter 5
>Enter a dark area like the rooms with titan spawns in them from chapter 4
>Only thing you can hear is scratching sounds
>yfw

>>713458712
This is MANCOUNTRY now Kris

>>713442261
>She wanted him to basically let everyone live and die in pure misery without hope
You have to realize that toriel has basically been in near constant despair mode ever since both her kids fucking died.

Now does her behavior make sense to you? She's insane from grief.

>>713458310
>>713458353
toby is genuinely bad at writing romance and should stop. it's hussie all over again

I think you guys are underestimating Toby's lesbian fetish. Sadly Suselle will happen and chapter 5 will be full of suselle festival scenes

>>713453345
>she's a depraved doe.
Her being depraved is what makes it fun though. She and Kris can be fucked up together.

>>713458558
>because apparently being queer is just a license just be a disgusting pervert.

Unfortunately.

>>713458580
they're boyfriends (boys who are friends) who always hold hands and dress like each other and go to church. it's peak male intimacy (no homo)

>>713458832
yes, yes, toby has a yuri fetish
however,

>>713458832
I'm not going to say Toby improved dramatically as a writer but he has been expertly making Susie/Noelle lame and somehow a Kris/Noelle infodump
The game might be better off without romance and one of those games where the festival is improved when "everyone" goes

>>713458827
Are you insane? Chapter 4 shown us he's EXTREMELY good at writing romance, it's just Suselle is written bad on purpose because it is set to fail.

>>713458832
>Toby's lesbian fetish
No such thing. Fuck off.

>>713458712
Soulbros can't stop winning. Many more cases to come!

>>713458827
You know it's fucking *bad* when there are even Japs who write romance in a more mature way.

>>713458817
And what, her husband wasnt grieving? She was a shit partner and leader. She was also fucking useless as she basically let the other kids die too

kill torielniggers

>>713450530
She thinks being straight is wrong because it's what her mom wants her to be. It's why the susie thing is so forced, she wants nothing but to be a rebel.

>>713457868
She will once she finds out Kris working with the Knight/Might become the next Knight.

I like Kris, he's such a musical chad.

>>713454837
maybe it's you who is the problem?

>>713455418
>Give up on your crush thinking your childhood friend likes you
>Only to discover him clapping cheeks with the girl you were infatuated with
Noelle Yandere route when Toby?

>>713457678
>this happens
>we all end up becoming friends after all

Toby please....

>>713459027
This is why Suselle only strikes me as a politically mandated thing rather than a genuine lesbian romance

>>713458750
Undertale Alphys amd Undyne was fucking awful and still the worst. Deltarune version as bad (yet). Suselle is close more because it fucks up both of their characters and they are at their worst when together (moreso Noelle)

>>713458957
>trust the plan
i will NOT trust the plan
patriots are NOT in control

>>713459038
>finally gets rid of (You)
>chugs to glasses of choccy milk
>then proceeds to slam dunk the grand piano
Yep

>>713459027
kris has a poosy

>>713458832
Right, this is why he set up so much stuff regarding Krusie/Kriselle?

>>713451864
>unless, ralsei is the knife of course
I don't think so, because Ralsei does renovations to Castle Town in between chapters.

>>713458464
>bdsm masks in public
fucking freaks

>>713459187
sexy purple tomboy yoshi.

>>713455117
>>713455442
>dyke
bi

>>713458712
Don’t worry Kris, we’ll make a man out of you yet, now get in the Doe puss

Why did she do it bros

>>713458957
>it's just Suselle is written bad on purpose because it is set to fail.
I would kneel if the whole Suselle thing was never meant to happen in the first place and was just a romance red herring.

>>713456518
I KNEEL, most powerful human in the series. Please do not genocide my entire lineage!

>>713459201
when he plays the piano is probably the only time when he feels in control, it his "freedom".

it fucking sucks ass that the only time kris was able to go to noelle's place in years was when piloted. i can only assume kris consented to the deal because he's a depressed shallow husk at this point with 0 motivation

>>713458832
I thought this before 3 and 4, but now I have HOPE that Suselle will SINK!

>>713459356
No, Toby knows that he would get fucking drawn and quartered for anything perceived as queerbaiting

>>713439198
Toriel is retarded here
>Chara kills himself to start shit with humans and monsters
>Asriel takes his soul and leaves the mountain, presumably the first monster to do so since the barrier was enacted after the war
>Asriel didn't even attack the humans when he took Charas body to bury him
>They kill Asriel anyway
>Asgore has to answer for it, look like a strong leader, and figure out a solution for monster liberation
>Instead of getting himself killed, waits for 7 children to fall down the hole
>Its implied they jump down the hole to kill themselves anyway, there is no hard proof that Asgore actually killed them, plenty of other monsters to do that
>He admitted to not wanting to fight, he just wanted to break the barrier
>Toriel's solution was to just accept it and live underground forever
Yeah nah, she's a cunt, and mentally ill on top of that. Asgore did what he could with the cards he was dealt. There's no evidence suggesting monsters could take human souls when they're about to die of old age. They'd have to play a very long waiting game with the humans, assuming they're not attacked on sight if they even came to reason with them

>>713459295
>alphys is bi, she wants to fuck asgore
>noelle is bi, she wants to fuck kris in snowgrave
Is undyne the only actual lesbian?

>>713456518
FriskGAWDS would DESTROY the twink faggot Kris

>>713459440
Honestly, any ship with kris is considered yuri these days, so i think he's safe

>>713459420
literally me

>>713459434
Help me please I need some of that HOPE

>>713459295
Just because she wants Kris to pump her full of a couple of fawns doesn’t mean she isn’t a Dyke. She gets turned on by female Santas

>>713459440
>implying\
Why do you think he moved to japan?

>>713458154
Love will find it's way to the girl
Literally

>>713459124
>Bait posts
>Shartyfag spams.
>Anti-Toby spam
>"Deltatroon" spam.
>Same shipping arguments.
>Same ritual posts every thread
>Mom NTRfags
>But posting humans is le bad.
I don't believe you.

>>713453072
I think Noelle is genuinely incapable of explaining it better than 'we were just kinda neighbors'. Telling your crush "We were childhood friends and I sorta had a crush on them but couldn't tell if it was mutual plus our parents made it awkward, and then my sister disappeared and their family was sorta involved so we drifted apart but I still long for the connection we had' is prob not the best idea. Even fucking Noelle knows it.
I'm sure we'll find out more but for me, personally, I cannot imagine she wouldn't just say Kris is her friend to Susie unless she had motive to say so that goes beyond 'i had a crush'.

>>713457508
>distance between kris and noelle
>distance between kris and the soul
>distance between susie and noelle
>distance between noelle and dess
damn...

>>713459534
They don't honestly see Kris as nonbinary, I know it

>>713459696
>susie and noelle
There is none, red string of fate wins

>>713459420
Kris is definitely a depressed little shitter, but what I think isn't part of the deal is when the SOUL improves his life and Susie keeps being Susie
I genuinely hope the
>When did you start being yourself?
line is referencing Kris' depression shell breaking.

>>713459671
simply don't try to circumvent anonymity in an anonymous website? But then you wouldn't get to feel special

>>713459778
more than ever they do now, especially with influx of kris based ships

>>713454030
>>713454281
What's worse is that you can tell toby thinks this is okay behavior from a mother.

>>713459420
Well if you do snowgrave. . .

>>713458095
I think literally everyone involved would be satisfied if Suselle imploded and everything else was left up to fan interpretation.

The FORCED dialogue during the Dess room scene is the most ironic writing I have ever seen in any piece of media EVER produced.

>>713458353
>Pronouns can be anything regardless of what gender you choose, including They/Them according to 'Those' people
>"Omg Kris is only referred to as they/them that must mean they're non-binary! Now stop misgendering them :)"
Isn't calling Kris non-binary also misgendering by their own logic? Why to they assume Kris' pronouns based on what other characters say rather than what Kris says?

>>713459472
... in a fight as well btw.
>>713459547
>Susie doesn't mention Noelle as one of her friends in Chapter 3.
>Her idea world is going on adventures with Kris and Ralsei forever.
>She wants to take Kris AND Ralsei to the festival.
>Noelle only talks about Kris in their "date".
There's legit a lot of hope for the ship.

>>713458827
Truly the student has surpassed the master.

>>713460030
don't try to make sense of metal illness

>>713459797
>Kris's depression shell starts breaking
>Gets home
>That scene
>Instantly sealed back up and reinforced.

>>713459881
Ain't seen that in a hot minute.

>>713454030
slightly more interesting:
>At this juncture there is enough evidence to suggest Kris SWOON'd Ralsei and Susie
>Toriel was most likely given up as part of the deal, there is no way in my head the ending events of chapter 2 weren't Kris offering Toriel up to the Knight, and possibly Undyne, too
>Through the actions of the SOUL and Susie, Toriel is protected, only Undyne is taken
>Whatever relief Kris felt, if any, when his neglectful bitch mom was saved that night culminated in this
BRAVO
TOBY
AT LEAST ASGORE MADE US HOT CHOCCY

>>713458136
Let it happen, i need my final schizoboss

>>713459964
>>713459795
>intimate moment with crush
>Kris keeps being brought up
the deer YEARNS for the chair.

>>713460131
Kris should rejoice that he now has a father figure in his life.

>>713459818
>Defended all the shit I posted.
I accept your concession.

>>713460228
I did not such thing. Just saying that you have the choice of not intentionally being bad.

>>713460145
>>At this juncture there is enough evidence to suggest Kris SWOON'd Ralsei and Susie
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