The impossible choice

I choose Berdly

>>713697865 (OP)
>cute fun tomboy vs female nelson

>>713697865 (OP)
nortubel character designs

Genuinely fuck toby for making susy a lesbian. I dont feel bad at all for queers getting genocided rn because of that.

>>713697905
Any ship involving Kris is better than Suselle

>>713697974
If Kris wasn't there to backstab the party, the SOUL would have eventually hard carried the party to victory, much like how you can - with enough time - parry your way to victory against enemies that should be way out of your league in Expedition 33. There wasn't jack and shit the Knight could do to stop us from wearing them down, which is why Kris needed to step in.

>>713698004
>Kris just straight up not opposing the Knight is a far bigger fuck you to the prophecy.
It would be, if Kris was ever a hero in the first place. But they're not. They're the Cage for the real hero, (You).

>>713697865 (OP)
Fuck shipniggers
It's time for REAL SCHIZO HOURS
We were finally able to KILL something, and the moment we do we get a text that says "When did you start being yourself?"
What did DELTARUNE mean by this??
Note that Kris doesn't gain any LV or EXP in the light world after we do this

>>713697865 (OP)
There's nothing impossible about it.

>>713698151
The soul is there. You make the winning attack with it.

>>713698151
>It would be, if Kris was ever a hero in the first place. But they're not. They're the Cage for the real hero, (You).
Then that's an even BIGGER reason. It means Kris is doing the only thing that could possibly stop the prophecy, stop (You) from fighting the Knight any further.

>>713698164
Wait when do we kill something?

>>713697865 (OP)
Actually

>>713698151
>If Kris wasn't there to backstab the party, the SOUL would have eventually hard carried the party to victory
wrong. plentu of moments where people just beat you. Queen just cages you and beats the Threshing Machine and rhere is nothing you can do about it for one.

>>713698221
If you have the Black Shard you can kill the Titan spawns instead of purifying them, right before the final climb

>>713697865 (OP)
You mean the easy, natural-feeling choice vs the forced choice.

>L, 4X, 6X out of stock
Kek

>>713697865 (OP)
Doe.
Made for protecting.

furscum

>>713698295
>Some 6'5, built like a brick shit house Giga Chad is walking around dressed as Kris
He's gonna make you his Noelle, pretty boi

>>713697865 (OP)
When the light is running low and the shadows start to grow
And the places that (you) know seem like fantasy
There's a light inside (your) soul
That's still shining in the cold with the truth
The promise in our hearts
Don't forget, I'm with (you) in the dark

>>713698242
I recognize this reference

>>713698425
Dess is certainly a good choice, and original at that

>>713698470
it's kris
I'm choosing kris you ESLfag

>>713697865 (OP)
don't play tumblrslop, but barney on the right

>>713698193
>>713698219
I'm not even going to dignify this retardation with a response. Fucking christ. At least put some thought into what you're going to say.

>>713698243
Except, if Kris was the one who backstabbed Susie and Ralsei? Then we know for a fact that we're sharing a body with someone who has a vested interest in sabotaging us in order to make sure the plot plays out as it "should." I bet you that forced losses will stop completely when we inevitably escape Kris.

Watched a friend play through the game recently. He got to the knight and immediately went "Is that the dude from Homestuck?" and showed me this guy. He's now convinced that the knight is actually a darkner because Jack Noir is also an object come to life. I don't know jack shit about Homestuck, is this accurate?

>>713698379
Nah, doesn't do it for me. I like the weird route because of the mental aspect, physical ruins it.

>>713698663
He didn't stab them. This is completely retarded.

>>713698463
What about

Schizotheory but what if Dess' soul and (You) switched bodies prior to the beginning of the game? (You) were supposed to be somehow the Knight, and Dess was supposed to live inside Kris.
I have nothing to back up this shit.

>>713698263
You can do this even without the black shard, it just takes fucking forever.

>>713698242
Based

>>713698696
Dersites aren't animated objects, they're aliens.

>>713698801
NEO and the Vessel were both described as "workout-ready bodies" and the Knight has a similar afterimage effect to the Gonermaker character, so it's plausible that the body Dess is using is actually the Vessel.

>>713697865 (OP)
I choose humans.

>>713698295
I bought a Deltarune t-shirt from Fangamer and I chose large as the size because that's what I normally wear and medium is usually too small, and it turned out that American measurements are WAY bigger than European ones so it's practically a fucking robe.
I'm still assblasted about it, and they don't even sell the same shirt anymore.

>>713698821
I thought that was the case, the black shard basically kills them in two turns I think, I have my entire party buffed out on attack

>>713698915
The Knight isn't standing straight. Making height comparisons where one character is hunched over is silly.

>>713698663
How did Kris make you lose against Queen exactly? What could he have done, made the robot detachable-hand-proof? The Knight is vastly stronger then you, and you can't even take like 30% of its health before it insta takes down Ralsei and Susie. There isn't much the SOUL could have done in this situation, and it has full control there anyway. The most Kris does is swing the sword weakly.

>>713698882
I don't think the Gooner Vessel looks like the Knight.

>>713698915
That Dess sprite is fanslop.

>>713698915
My money's on Big Bird

>>713698151
This reeks of autism. The knight stopped messing around and wrecked the party, your le epic fanfiction where we could have beaten the knight actually if not for that pesky Kris is retarded contrarian fan behaviour.

>yfw Asriel goes into a Dark World and Ralsei's first reaction to him is saying "D-Dad?!"

>>713698696
Knight is definitely inspired by that guy whether intentionally or not, but it's just a superficial resemblance.

>>713699240
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1uTsqJVAeo

>>713699206
Because we were kicked out of battle
Unless the Knight is able to do attacks that we can't dodge, or able to heal itself forever.
As long as we are locked in battle we can defeat it
Which is why Kris signals the Knight to throw the fight so they can take the Soul out of the equation

>>713698997
>dess became a wendigo
kino

>>713699240
>Asriel's immediate response

>>713698295
I didn't know sizes larger than XXL even existed...

>>713699030
>What could he have done, made the robot detachable-hand-proof?
Let you push left or right to dodge it like every other attack Queen throws at you. Rocket punches are not magically undodgable - it hit the Thrash Machine because it just stood there and took it.
>The Knight is vastly stronger then you, and you can't even take like 30% of its health before it insta takes down Ralsei and Susie
Again, that was Kris. The Knight was stronger than you, but it also can't do shit if it can't hit you. There's a reason why Kris reacts differently if you no-hit the fight. It might have taken another 10 minutes, but if the fight kept going you would have ended things there and then.

>>713699206
We totally would have. Ralsei even says he thought you had it.

>>713697865 (OP)
No choice for me cuz I ship them together

>>713698189
Pretty much. There’s always an objective best girl.

>>713699206
No dude Kris backstabbed his friends so hard they slid back towards him!

>>713699431
There's no point explaining this to death to these retards, they don't take anything that isn't completely face value and stated right in their face.

is the deer thing a girl?

>>713699346
But the Knight can throw us out of the battle at its leisure. Just like Queen could lock us in cages and win (as long as she didn't miss) or take down Thrashing Machine with her rocket hands instantly faster then we could dodge, how King could trash us with a sneak attack outside of battle by exploiting Ralsei's naivety, how Tenna instantly got us trapped in balls without a fight, and how Spamton almost got Kris before Susie interfered. If the Knight stopped playing around, which it could have at any time, there is nothing we could do about it.

>>713697865 (OP)
I want to marry Susie and us both keep Noelle as a fuck pet.

>>713699540
I'm... not sure?

>>713699540
no, she's trans! look at her room colors

>>713699431
>Let you push left or right to dodge it like every other attack Queen throws at you. Rocket punches are not magically undodgable - it hit the Thrash Machine because it just stood there and took it.
or because it was TOO FAST TO DODGE, because these are missiles? just like the Knight's slash attack. there is simply no dodging some stuff, it goes all the way back to Flowey's cover-the-screen-in-pellets attack.

>>713699632
The fact troons actually believe this is kinda sad

>>713699240

Are people denying that Kris is working with the Knight? or they're just denying that Kris betrays the party in the Roaring knight fight

>>713698242
Why is Asgore dead?!

>>713699750
that wasnt kris

>>713697865 (OP)
>Implying you get one
They'll have sex at some point while Kris is forced to listen to it happening and fight the urge to cry.

I AM NOT A SCHIZO.
I'm not a schizo. I KNOW he swapped that letter. I knew it was "Susie", not Suzie, as if I could ever make such a mistake. Never, NEVER. I just- I just couldn't prove it.
He covered his tracks, he got that idiot at the library to block the books for him.
You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse.
THAT DEER. Are you telling Dess just happens to dissapear like that?
NO, HE ORCHESTRATED IT. GASTER.

>>713699750
I'm denying that we could have beaten the Knight even with Kris not jobbing. Some enemies are too fast, too strong or too tough for the party without outside help, like THE FUCKING TITAN.

>>713699240
>Wow, /v/ schizos were right for once.

>>713699661
>it goes all the way back to Flowey's cover-the-screen-in-pellets attack.
we get caught with a near identical attack by the Ranger Rudinns in Chapter 1 even
the SOUL is not invincible

>>713699832
Gerson only cheered the party up and gave Susie an Idea
the party themselves were perfectly capable of unleashing the light and having Susie dunk Kris inside the Titan without Gerson

>>713699632
Holy shit, is that BLUE? In a GIRL'S room?

>>713699431
Reminder.

>>713699756
We went full Bullshit Blazing on Sans and then got gunned down by the cops

ok but is it actually a girl tho?

>>713699547
And every one of those moments was a cutscene where Kris took control away from us, because they knew how events were about to play out. Kris's control over the player is a lot more subtle than you give it credit. If they desire it they can deny us choices entirely, as they do in the Weird Route. They stop us from watching Susie and Noelle talk in chapter 2 - we don't even get the choice prompt - and they stop us from saying anything to Susie in chapter 4.
>and how Spamton almost got Kris before Susie interfered
I'll point out that the exact same situation where Spamton got the jump on Kris happened in Snowgrave, but Kris never gave Spamton the same opportunity they did in the normal route. Why do you think that is?

>>713700016
>ralsei and susei slide towards kris as he stabs them in the back
so true!!! best theory

>>713699431
>Ackshually according to this fanfiction I have written, KRIS was the one who suddenly decided to attack his friends even though he stops holding back and does double damage against the knight if his friends are downed

You are the type of cringe, obnoxious, confidently wrong fan that makes mentally stable people avoid fandoms.

>>713700037
Because they are significantly stronger in Snowgrave?

>>713699240
I would uninstall

>>713700016
>>713699431
This is going to be one of those totally retarded theories that annoying people spam for the next year right, like the "Kris is the knight" theory.

>>713697865 (OP)
It's really quite easy.

>>713698663
Your only retort to Kris maybe not wanting to advance the prophecy is to just insult anyone who disagrees with you.

>>713700063
You realize that a horizontal swing of a knife can go in two directions, right?

>>713700093
You're exactly as strong as if you played through the normal route violently. Kris is just sandbagging less than they usually do.

>>713700203
>like the "Kris is the knight" theory.
Were they wrong? No seriously, what did they get wrong? The only thing KrisKnight got wrong is that the Roaring Knight had an accomplice. Everything else was dead-on.

>>713700037
Doesn't the "I will never play piano again" option play out a bit differently in Snowgrave, where Kris has to bite his hand to stop himself from saying it?

>>713697865 (OP)
Noelle doesn't look like this btw

Kris obviously does not want the prophecy to go as it should, and everything points out to Snowgrave being the route where you get it back on rails.

>>713700375
Yes, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

>>713699431
>>713699346
NTA but "The Knight has unavoidable attacks that break the usual rules of the game" is just as big of a plot twist and fitting to this game's tone and mechanics and a reason for the characters to panic as the possibility that Kris did backstab everyone.

In UT what made all the endgame bosses big deals or special is precisely that they broke the rules, like Sans, Asgore or Flowey/Asriel.

>>713700203
Kris Knight got vindicated in every way that matters, and the only counter argument against it that survived was the closet one.

>>713700329
>You realize that a horizontal swing of a knife can go in two directions, right?
So Kris backstabbed them from the front while being behind them?

KEK

>>713700203
All part of Toby's wacky plan to embarrass people again. Just wait...

>>713700375
Yep. But that only happens because they let you make a choice.

>>713697865 (OP)
Just don't rape the doe. Don't do that. That's bad. Raping doe is BAD

>>713699812
I wanna put this in the generator thing but I don't know which character to use.

>>713700497
It's a shame Green Pippin doesn't have a portrait.

>>713700497
Pippins

>>713700461
But why does he have to put more effort into stopping himself there? Is he just so comfortable with saying horrible stuff that he needs to prevent himself from saying something much more aggressively or what?

>>713700329
>>713700440
>Kris being the knight got vindicated in every way except for... Kris being the knight

Delusional. You are why people look at Undertale fans and cringe.

>>713700476
It’s not rape if she liked it and thanked you for doing it. Kris is the real rape victim

>>713700419
Literally everything we've seen in the game points to this being the case to me. Starting with the very obvious fact that the prophecy is about sealing the fountains, which is what the Soul does, not Kris. Then Noelle obviously being the girl of prophecy but accidentally getting knocked out of the "game" in the Normal route, so Snowgrave is about (You), the soul, going to extreme lengths to get her back in.

>>713700602
Good. Fuck them.

How seriously did Kris take Sussie's bullying?

>people seriously think the knight is just wearing a suit
>despite having holes in their hands, spike feet and a fucking eyeball in their ribcage
I don’t think those are things you can get from a simple dark world glow up

>>713700594
Because once Kris gives you control of something, they can't take it back. Their control over you is cutting you off from choices - stopping the dialog box from appearing at all.

>>713700439
>NTA but "The Knight has unavoidable attacks that break the usual rules of the game" is just as big of a plot twist and fitting to this game's tone
it's not a plot twist at all, though. the rules of the game have allowed for cutscene attacks day 1. sometimes they miss, sometimes they don't.
>ranger rudinn ambush in ch1
>jevil devilsknife pre-battle attack in ch1
>king spade attack in ch1
>queen cages in ch2
>queen rocket hands in ch2
>tenna ball trap in ch3
>fake gerson hammer attack in ch4
>ralsei smashing fake gerson, also in ch4
not every attack in the game results in a fight you play through, that's basic

>>713700595
>Not embracing the cringe.
Seems like someone who didn't understand Gerson's words.

>>713698997
Can monsters even decompose given their bodies just turn to dust after death

Tenna saw some shit, didn't he?

>>713700679
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncGNdt92hIM

>>713700329
kek imagine being a "Kris is the Knight" fag, base the entire "theory" on the last minutes of Chapter 2 where Kris was unambiguously acting antagonistically and still be wrong. You guys are just not very creative. You ignore a bunch of shit to make these crackpot theories.

>>713698696
the roaring knight's song is very close to a homestuck track Toby did called Nightmare Knight

>>713698337
She likes being treated poorly though

Toby Fraudox

>>713700728
Those are all attacks in cutscenes outside of the battle menu (that I see, honestly I don't remember how some of those worked out). I mean that the Knight genuinely can ignore the battle rules.

>>713700826
Bobby "Tobe" Fox is woke

>>713700781
What did the theory get wrong? That Kris isn't specifically the Knight? They're still working with her. They were right about Kris being on Team Roaring.

>>713700805
I don't think it was a Homestuck song?

>>713700679
She literally has a helmet retard.

>>713700914
O right it was more of a fan song I guess

>>713700757
Do you think he watched them fuck as well?

>>713700781
Kris knight fags were right about most shit. Predicted Kris opening fountains to find/save Dess, plugged the tv back in the previous night, knew how to open fountains before queen explained it

>>713697865 (OP)
the computer

>>713700946
Wasn't it a Cucumber Quest thing?

>>713700757
Absolutely.

>>713700016
But why does Kris get a power boost when Susie and Ralsei go down? Surely he wouldn't be trying to save face in front of his two zonked out friends? Right? And then just knock them down again for no reason???

Susie is alright as a friend but she's practically a butch dyke, should've been a male character.

>>713700569
>>713700587
There's a Pippins you can import from the database but the expressions are really limited.

>>713700894
>Jewish
QRD? As a surname Fox is Anglo and his parents weren't rabbis or listed as Jewish.

>>713701034
Because they're trying to save face in front of their boss now that there are no witnesses.

>>713700856
But it can't. It takes you down outside of the battle menu as well. When Susie hits it for the last time the battle ends.

all i want to do is marry a doe. is that so wrong?

>>713701019
Yes it was.

Being me Steven After Not Surviving

>>713700856
The Knight has no unavoidable attacks in battle though. There's several no-hit videos of this, and there's even unique dialogue for doing this. The only difference between The Knight's attacks and others in cutscenes is the fact damage numbers and SWOON pop up for Tenna and the gang, however these are clearly used to emphasise the sheer strength of the Knight, so that our 100ish damage seems pitiable compared to the 5000+ damage it does to Tenna.

The only other unavoidable attacks come from that single section near the end of Chapter 4 when our SOUL lights up and everyone's taking damage to protect the others. This isn't in a battle and does fixed damage to make sure everyone's left at 1 hp.

>>713699829
Fuuuuck

>>713701078
it's just some shit a guy made up in Touhou threads to accuse ZUN of being ideologically corrupted by proximity to a jew and eventually made it out of that sphere and into the broader internet
there is no evidence supporting it whatsoever

>>713701170
>"Look, I know this guy is your dad and everything, but I think this guy's a lost cause. He's obviously made up his mind, why don't we just cut our losses and get out of here..

>>713699756
Why is Susie making the "No way, fag!" face?

>>713700602
> if she liked it
She clearly didn't like it and was horrified. It’s like even Toby’s ARG puzzle hints that her smile is gone forever.

>>713701214
>ZUN of being ideologically corrupted by proximity to a jew
But he's a unironic Nazi.

>>713701078
Just look at his face and hair, lmao

>>713700808
Masochists need balance.

>>713701223
>Thanks us of her own volition
You're right, she didn't like it. She LOVEd it

>>713700894
You're posting the outdated one.

>>713701151
There's also when you reach the Knight in at first sword hallway, where they take control away from you to just stand there while Susie screams at them to do something.

>>713701214
It's fun that this specific incident literally destroyed the translation effort for a doujin game because that guy was so mad at people reimplementing modern touhou characters that he put a trojan in his translation lol

>>713697865 (OP)
the one who's nice to me

>>713698295
>Completely sold out.
Damn, I was too slow. Probably wouldn't look good in it anyhow.

Can Toby really do Asgore justice?

>>713700090
>he stops holding back
No, he stops holding back as much. X Slash shows Kris is still holding back, even if he does let a little extra power slip through because he's buttmad about having to let Susie get her ass beat in order to stick to the script.

>>713701223
All women are like that after their first time. She'll want more of it next evening.

>>713701342
what justice does he even deserve after the eggs husband scene

He surrendered for the pussy knight

>>713701094
>all i want to do is marry a doe. is that so wrong

>>713701319
That section isn't unavoidable, I managed to get up there without cheating.

>>713701317
Man to think so many saucy toby forum posts are lost to time.

>>713700757
There should be a Tenna plush because I really want to give that TV a hug.

>>713701317
Frankly, I am far, FAR more disgusted by him being a Ran-fag than a Jew.

>>713701414
I'm going to punch your dick out, faggot goat

>>713701381
Stand up comedian.

>>713697865 (OP)
it's really not
one is a charicter that grows and grows to respect kris and befriends him
the other is a bland deer that people only like because of snowgrave

>>713701430
Wait I'm a retard disregard me. Yeah that also counts.

>>713700090
Even without X-Slash, Kris is STILL holding back super hard for the Knight fight. He does more than double the damage of Susie and Ralsei combined against Tenna if you play the Sword Route and he learns that Tenna fucked up and let slip that he was working with Kris.

>>713698915
im thinking it's big bird i meant they both are the same color so it makes since to me

>>713700756
I always thought she was just filthy there, but monsters can probably lose bits and pieces of themselves that resemble decomposition as long as they don't actually die.

>>713701303
No. Don't rape the doe. That's easy.

>>713699756
I don't get it. Is she surprised she's losing or is she tweaking out at the unintentional Soul references Susie is making?

>>713701469
>faggot goat
it's faggoat to you

>>713701317
Is that even his real picture? He looks different and not just because he's younger.

>>713698295
>50 euroshekels for this dogshit

>>713701692
Those fucking nostrils lmao.

>>713701403
that knightussy do be worth it doe

>>713701031
I still don't get this dialogue, what do the pipes mean?

>>713701790
>tfw you finally got Kris to fuck you and all it took was you acting mindbroken from his poor corruption attempt
Ha! Take that Mom... I'm not a femcel

>>713699756
>>713701739
The first picture.

>>713701692
Kris will do retarded creepy shit and then blame you.

>>713701815
40 euros of the price is just VAT. Eurocucks are THAT cucked, yeah.

>ralsei can fly
>shoot fire
>ans can full heal you
>and admits to being able to solo the dark worlds for the fun gang
>he is just pretending to be a jobber
Why?

>>713698295
>50 Euros for some simple sweater with a stripe
y'know I can actually believe Toby's jewish

>>713701892
I assumed it was what Kris said after he bath bombed the bathroom as a kid

what's his problem

>>713701403
Someone post the animated version where the knight forces Kris to kiss her blade and throws him to the ground

>>713701941
Both him and Kris are literally playing make believe for Susie

>>713701915
Noelle pretending she's a femcel to try and get closer to Kris (a stone-cold incel) sounds in-character

>>713701892
Tenna saw Dess molesting Kris and then saw Asgore beating Dess' head in with his ham sized fists. Which ultimately led to Asgore and Toriel getting divorced

>>713701892
The common interpretation is Kris bathbombed the toilet because he thought something was going to come up the pipes to get him, probably related to the traumatic event he experienced in the Shelter.

>>713701982
Chara was a good kid until he killed himself though.

>>713702093
Chara hated humanity and wanted to use Asriel to kill everyone

>>713698295
>that green heart shirt tag
He's so fucking good at plausible deniability...

>>713698080
If that ain't true love I don't know what is

>>713702021
Its kinda sad to realize how much of a farce her whole journey has been so far. The people closest to her have deceived her every step of the way for their own plans.

>>713701892
Kris threw a bath bomb into the toilet and got his ass spanked by Toriel

>>713700090
There's no point in arguing with them. Their "theory" (fanfic) is 100% based on what they think would be cool rather than what actually happened or what makes sense. They then try to backfill it with what seem like logical points, but when you look underneath, it's just more headcanon and "it would be cool if this were true" copes.

Why is Red Buster not in Chapters 3+4?

>>713701915
>Noelle is just pretending to be corrupted by the thorn ring
>so Kris can comfort her for what (You) did to her in chapter 4
>like he did after chapter 2
I’m noticing!!!!!

>>713698295
WOA!!
thas ALOT o muns...

>>713702142
People already forgot about this btw

>>713702170
you forgot that she stopped in the middle before saying she has them at her side, she didn't quite believe in them herself lmao

>>713702139
>He hated humanity
He was a suicidal kid. The only love he was ever shown was at the hands of monsters, people who were locked away. I think he was genuine about wanting to fix everything. He just couldn't let go of his hatred of his old hometown.

>dess molests kris and noelle
>has to flee to the bunker to avoid the cops
>gets bored of not having anyone to molest
>puts her soul in kris molesting them on a metaphysical level
>and uses his body to molest her sister again

>>713702263
>Someone is absolutely using this as their “Toriel Blowjob Toy”

>>713702358
B-based!

Who was in the wrong here?

>>713702196
>This probably happened after the divorce
>tfw Toriel probably beat his ass with a belt
No fucking wonder why he likes Asgore more

>>713702456
(You)
It's always (you) who is in the wrong

>>713702456
Alphys. She knows what she did.

>>713702358
Woah, based Dess...

>>713702456
Remember. (You) only told him to drink it. Throwing the glass on the floor was all Kris

>>713702456
In hindsight, Kris was 100% cool with you eating the heart chocolates or selling them. Probably even approved of it.

>>713698134
>Queers getting genocided
Doesn't that tend to happen naturally?

>>713702358
my rebelious teen tomboy would never

>>713702456
Kris just dominated Alphys, metaphorically I mean

>>713702456
Kris fucking hates anime, so obviously Alphys.

>>713700654
He laughed at her attempts according to the Noelle blog. And made her leave the room hanging her head after replying to what she said. He also carries around a knife so I don’t he was ever scared

>>713702560
It doesn't considering they keep coming back.

>>713700654
>I'm gonna bite your face... Dude is that a knife
>Yeah and it's gonna slide between your first and second rib if you don't put me down, Barney.

>>713702650
>tfw you realize the nerd could have shanked you at any time if he wanted

>>713701892
Trauma from throwing bath bombs because he was afraid of ICE-E, which is real.

>>713702358
The soul does not belong to anybody, it's probably not even a real "soul." It's the player's avatar in the original definition, the human incarnation of a deity in the physical world (or in this case, video game world.)

>>713702582
I hope they make Dess shorter than Noelle and only barely taller than Kris. It would just fit better. I don’t care about the Knight being 9 feet tall it doesn’t count

>>713701982
He has a type. I don't blame him, Chara is cute.

>>713702582
...stop touching cute human children

ICE is real 2401

>>713702201
>"it would be cool if this were true"
These are the best theories, though.

>>713702850
I dunno about that.

>>713702650
>>713702786
>>713702806
I honestly wonder if threatening her made her react that way. Frankly, knowing everything, I think it's more likely it was him agreeing with her that made Susie react that way.

>>713702850
You are confusing us being able to control the soul with the lore. The soul could belong to someone and still be under our control for gameplay purposes as the choices we can pick can represent what the soul would do. But we aren’t an outside entity

>>713702263
Because it was just a joke.

>>713702881
>Chara is cute
I want to teach her about how great humanity is.

>>713702979
Kris probably said "somebody did" in response to her saying that his mom would be happy if he disappeared. Toriel isn't his biological mother, after all.

Kris killed Dess because she loved Asriel instead

>>713702494
Gaster wouldn't say this. He's on our side.

>>713702461
Damn why is Toriel like this

>>713703026

>>713703071
That could also work.

I wonder if Kris was abandoned.

>>713703127
She's a wino

>>713702990
we are connected via the soul, as per the intro. we are indeed an outside entity.

>>713698164
So how come we didn't get that line when you kill the Maus with Snowgrave? Is it because Darkners don't actually count as living things?

death by glamour is still so good

Gaster is a human and is Kris’s father
His mother died in labour
And Gaster disappeared

>>713703050
I wish humans were real so I could talk to them about how cute humans are.

>>713703123
He is on his side. And he knows you well

>>713703214
We being in control of the soul doesn’t mean the soul can’t belong to someone. We could be given control over the soul, to a degree, like the soul can control Kris to an extent

>>713702896
but they look so groomable

>>713702897
866-DHS-2-ICE
(866-347-2423)
friendly reminder

God, how I love being a chthonic eldritch horror beyond comprehension.

WHO'S GETTIN KRIS COCKED FIRST!?

Rudy ships Suselle
Carol ships Kriselle
Rudy is dying of aids
Carol is a successful politician
Coincidence?

>>713702990
This anon >>713703214 is correct, we are indeed an outside entity. However, we have been brought in by Gaster specifically to alter a story that has very likely already been played out. The story does not need (You) to progress, the SOUL may be what we are connected to but they are not merely an avatar of the player.

To reiterate: our purpose here it to change things and create a new future. The existence of a "new" future requires the existence of an "old" future - an original timeline where events would play out without our influence. That is the normal route. This means that the story needs to be able to happen without the player's presence, thus the SOUL must be their own entity in and of themselves. The Weird route is an alternate timeline caused specifically by our interference with events, as are any other routes we discover after seeing Chapter 6 play out.

>>713703470
This shit is cringe.

What if it cycles around and all the times Ralsei tries to get you to think about Susie end up being you and Susie discussing how you're about to fuck fate in the next altercation while he stalls Kris

>>713703534
Carol ships Youselle though

>>713703540
The SOUL is clearly the first hero of the prophecy. The cage, with human souls and parts. The Goner.

>>713703561
You're cringe

>>713703534
>Rudy is dying happy.
>Carol is clearly bitter on the inside and outside.
Coincidence?

>>713702582
Yeah Dess you know what you keep your fucking grubby hands off of Kris, now get out, and make sure you leave through the back

>>713699829
>A poorly trimmed boy
>The doc botched Asriel's circumcision

>>713701403
*for the knight pussy

>>713702956
>>713702990
Replay the Goner maker sequence. It's exceedingly obvious that Gaster summons us directly.
>ARE YOU THERE?
>ARE WE CONNECTED?
>*red soul appears*
>EXCELLENT.
He then tells us to make a vessel to put the soul inside of, and asks for OUR name. The soul is our link to interact with the world. Arguably the soul could belong to Kris, but I think the fact that Kris goes on just fine without a soul points to the idea that they may have not had a soul to begin with.

>>713703689
... is what I say when looking at any "Player is le otherworldly god" cringe.

What if the soul isn't actually us but a different character? Similar to Chara.

>>713703750
I mean it could be what would the point be

>>713703534
Actually Rudy ships both Suselle and Krusie, he tells Kris to take Susie to the movies

>>713703534
Rudy tells Kris to protect Noelle so he kind of supports both.

>>713703809
To highlight how you actually really don't have any choices. Even the Weird route, where you are fighting for freedom, was just the plan of somebody else.

I choose to cuck the dino

>>713703950
post full

>>713703893
He just wants Noelle to be protected because he knows he's worm food.

>>713703750
Starting a new game in Undertale, the prompt is "Name the fallen human." In Deltarune, it's "ENTER YOUR OWN NAME." The soul is us, without a doubt.

>>713703984
blueboard

>>713703856
>Rudy tells Kris that Noelle has no-one to go to the festival with on snowgrave pushing Kriselle
>Rudy pushes Suselle normally
>Rudy also pushes Krusie on the normal route
Is Rudy a polyamory supporter? Him fucking Asgore makes so much sense now…

>>713697865 (OP)
so is Deltarune just the same thing as Undertale but with an even more cancerous fanbase because of shipping faggotry? I see.

>>713704014
>Still terrified that naming the creation and the creator the same is going to have consequences.

>>713704018

>>713703950
Kino
>>713704018
Catbox you MFer

>>713702456
What did Alphys do to make him hate her so much?

>>713703534
Who supports krusie?

>fucking KILL YOURSELF TENNA you have ZERO VALUE and you dont even EXIST just GIVE UP your MISERABLE LIFE and let people move on

>>713704047
It's not. It's a AU fanfic that largely features the same cast, but with a very different focus. Undertale is a fairy tale. Deltarune is Persona.

>>713704090
> Catbox
It's blocked in my country.

>>713704068
I just named the vessel Travis after Taxi Driver lol

>>713703750
That would be so based. The meltdowns would be like Mike but ten times worse.

>>713704142
Use a VPN, even Opera has a built in VPN anon.

>>713704095
She’s a filthy weeb and also she wants to fuck his dad

>>713704095
Kris is just a genuine dickhead if you haven’t noticed
Students just hate their teachers no matter what anyway

>>713704138
>fanfic
How is it a fanfic when it's by the original creator

>>713704154
I always name the first character after myself before making my future characters references.

>>713704142
gofile then I guess?

>>713703997
Maybe. But telling a teenage boy to protect your teenage daughter he grew up with kind of sounds like he wants them to marry.

>>713697865 (OP)
Susie probably stinks and is cold to the touch
Noelle smells heavenly and the cuddles are fantastic

>>713703950
please tell me that's not Catty

>>713704213
I mean in content.

Chapter 7 leak

>>713704142
what kind of shithole are you from?
north korea?

>>713704317

>>713704228
I mean, yeah.

Though it's also something that you shouldn't take too seriously. Unless the dad is overly protective they will typically joke about their kids marrying any girl they know.

>>713703735
Gaster does not summon us. He very specifically establishes a "connection," using an unidentified human SOUL as a medium, likely in imitation of the connection he saw that we once shared with Frisk. We, the player, are not transported anywhere. Gaster basically opened an internet connection.

>>713704317
Wrong pic

>>713697865 (OP)
I would pound Ralsei's butt

>>713698295
>tfw still 2XL in stock
tall chubby faggots keep winning

>>713704357
we have TP and are a team so our soul is slightly stronger I guess

>>713704132

>>713704197
> even Opera has a built in VPN anon.
Here in Russia, 95% of VPN services don’t work. They block entire protocols like WARP, not to mention more basic ones like WireGuard, OpenVPN, PPTP, L2TP, and IPSec/IKEv2. All of these are completely blocked.

The VPNs that still work are provided by foreign intelligence services to steal data, and I definitely won’t trust them.

>>713704132
Cope and seethe, fluffball

>>713701326
What a faggot

>>713703561
All eldritch horror is very cringe and lazy. Having "horrors beyond comprehension" means you conveniently never actually have to put any effort into designing something good.

>>713704362
Final villain should be Freddy from Nightmare on Elm Street.

>>713704426
Damn, that's something for sure. Sorry then Russbro, understandable enough. Fairly sure gofile is still available like the other Anon said however.

>>713700016
Is there different dialogue if Kris is down at the end of the fight? I barely squeezed by with everyone dead and Susie at 1 HP, and I remember the scene playing out slightly different.

>>713704275
not that anon
but it is

>>713700497
>>713700569
>>713700587
>>713701072
Okay, I figured out a workaround.

>>713702850
>>713702990
>>713703735
You're making a shit load of assumptions. You could be right. But it would be extremely short-sighted to just assume this because you'd be falling for the exact same stunt Toby pulled once already.

There were times in Undertale where it looked like the player themselves was acknowledged. Because there would be times when the name you chose at the start (intended to be the player's real name) would show up and it had a hint of the game was acknowledging the real world player's involvement.

Until you get to part where you find out that actually they've always been referring to another character in the game. The first fallen human child, whose the one you were naming at the start but didn't realise it.

>>713704362
man deltatraveler goes wild huh

>>713704357
Sodomization of Fun Gang in process.

>>713704360
(we) never had a connection with Frisk though, as there never was any (us), just Frisk and what they wanted to do. They wanted genocide and were determined to do it so it happened, the same with pacifist. The only moment we exist is the true reset after pacifist but that only happens because we needed to have a canon reason for starting again or something.

>>713704338
No, I'm actually from a pretty based country, and we do a lot of things right. But sometimes the blocking goes overboard. For example, most of Cloudflare is blocked, which causes some websites to not work. But these are just local overreaches because the state genuinely cares about children's safety, which is acceptable.

>people think there is only one soul inside Kris

>>713703750
Honestly, if that was the case? My bet is that it's Frisk again. It'd explain:
>how Gaster found you (kidnapped Frisk and examined their SOUL to re-open the connection to you)
>why Kris acts so much like Frisk at times despite clearly being a very different person without the SOUL
>why you get options that indicate that you remember Undertale in-character (you were never able to use out of character information in dialog in Undertale)
>why the SOUL could turn yellow of its own initiative (learned how in the Mettaton fight)
>why Kris presumably still tries to hide information the SOUL when (You) are not there because you skipped the chapter
>why Kris is so mad at Alphys (complicit in kidnapping)

>>713704231
The appeal of Noelle is that she has a modest frame but is a total degenerate

>>713703747
>nahh cuh tf is ts bruh this be mfing cringe

>>713700569
All the talk surrounding the Knight’s identity makes me want to swap it with Mike over Tenna.

>>713704585
peak

>>713704547
> gofile
It's blocked

>>713704362
>Susie: Kris, why are we even spending five night's at Freddy's? This place honestly sucks.

>>713704585
>HE FLIRTED WITH A WATERCOOLER!

>>713704585
Are you telling me Dess just happens to dissapear like that?*

>>713704789
Why is she, you know…

>>713704397
Frisky genuinely would one-shot most of the Fun Gang, or just refuse to die.

>>713704691
There's no proof that there is a soul inside Kris, is it some extremely weak soul that cannot even seal the fountains or what, maybe patience (that's why Kris puts up with us during weird route assuming he's totally against it)

Why did she lie?

>>713704681
Get off Tor

>>713697905
Based

>>713704927
Frisk vs Player would be the definition of unstoppable force vs immovable object, as none would give up really. Probably Gaster would have to step in to stop it or something.

>>713704619
see
>>713704014
The games themselves make the overt distinction. Undertale tells you to name the character. Deltarune tells you to use your own name.

>>713704681
>unironically falling for "think of the children" smokescreens
lol

>>713704661
Even then, that last moment is Flowey talking to Chara rather than a "player".

>>713705136
I would rape the shit out of Fem Kris.

>>713704950
The protocols are still working, but since 2021, about 95% of the bridges have been blocked, and you'd need a lot of luck to get it running.

>>713704661
That doesn't really make sense, though? You've got two scenes where you, a disembodied entity, are directly addressed by a character - the first is post-pacifist, where Flowey begs you to leave Frisk alone. The second is post-genocide, where Chara addresses you directly.

These seem to be directed at the same person. (You).

>>713705136
Impregnating Kris' they/them pussy with my BSC (big SOUL cock)

>>713704725
It's a copy (Goner) version of Frisk. Copies are monochrome, the Vessel has Frisk's shirt stripes and one the options is her hair. It works out.

>>713705020
You're then not being asked to name the soul though.

>>713705208
no, post-genocide is adressed to Frisk, we never really left Frisk's POV after Flowey got killed.

>>713705208
Flowey believes he's talking to Chara

>>713705136

>>713704979
Berdly is the same height as Noelle so no tallflat Kris unfortunately

>>713705254
The Vessel is almost certainly Goner Frisk, yes. Where'd the SOUL come from? That's got full color, it's not a Goner copy. It's an authentic human SOUL.

We're also only prompted to name the body and yourself, but conspicuously not the SOUL.

>>713704936
That's the part where she's sincere. She doesn't know if Kris shaking the cab was a good or bad memory since it's so bitter now. Deep down it was a happy memory, but right now it just leads to remembering everything else and that sucks.

The part where she says being with Kris was something that was forced on her is her totally overcompensating and throwing Kris under the bus in an attempt to get dino pussy. It's not sincere, it's just her being too horny to think or consider she's lying to both Susie and herself, just chasing the most immediate way she can think of to score with Susie and damn everything else. She doesn't even consider that Kris might have overheard that.

>>713705000
>Implying I wouldn't side with Frisk.

More Ralsei merch pls

>>713704979
Does Kris hate Berdley?

>>713704360
By "summon," I mean more like "summon our presence." Like how in mythology, gods would come down to Earth in physical form while still maintaining spiritual dominion.

>>713704979
M'theydy is the best fucking pun I've seen in all of DR's fanart.

>>713705208
He's talking to Chara there.

>>713704231
Noelle smells like pine needles and christmas cookies. Her fur makes her a little warm to the touch.

>>713705136
I love kris

I shouted SNOWGRAVE while in bed last night
It woke my dog up

Don't bully the doe

>>713705418
>>713704936
NGL the more we see of Noelle throughout the game the more I'm convinced she's the kind of girl that WOULD eventually cheat on you. Not if, just when and with who.

>>713705407
Well, the voice that interrupts the making of the Vessel was going to say a name, yet they never finish... theorists never mention that part.

>>713705629
Ok Noelle proceed

>>713705448
They don't *like* them. Because they're very annoying.

>>713705448
he's really obnoxious and nobody would probably stand going with him anywhere, especially alone

>>713705635
I just wanna see her happy

>>713705685
I would like to hang out with him because he would make me seem better by association.

>>713705684
since when is Berdly a they

noelle sex

>>713705685
Based

>>713705448
Kris has shit taste, yes. Luckily our steady, guiding hand is there to fix the situation.

So the Ralsei is a valentines plushie made by Dess for Asriel is pretty much confirmed now that Toby is insisting the absence of merch plushies of other characters is a deliberate decision, right?

>>713705729
dont do snowgrave then

>Tenna talked to the Roaring knight

Soooo... somebody other than Kris and Toriel entered their house sometime between Chapter 1 and 2?

Ralsei is Dess's son

>>713705875
True

>>713705880
He's referring to Kris. The Sword Route makes this clear.

>>713698696
>Jack Noir is also an object come to life
He isn't. Jack is a being of flesh and blood, but he is an "NPC" in the "game" Homestuck is about. There are multiple sessions of that game happening in the comic, and each one has its own instance of him, and they most of them end up escaping their session.

>>713705875
She is happy when she can show her true self

it took me way to long that Berdly is probably how Mordecai from Regular Show would've acted in school

>>713704936
why would she say "that made me so horny and I'm soaked right now just thinking about it"?

>>713705880
Tenna is lying, just like how King and Queen pretend not to recognize Kris despite knowing them for years.

>>713705984
She is now and you know it

>>713705880
Kris was just pretending to be the knight or Kris told him to lie. They even show the tv right when Kris opened the fountain

>>713705654
Noelle would cheat on you because she's too weak to resist.

>>713705843
He doesn't want plushies of lightner characters because they're "real"

I hate Papyrus
If Papyrus Knight is real (it isn't) I'm dropping Deltarune

>>713705293
Correct, because the soul is not its own unique character. It is us, or rather, our avatar. It's basically a mouse cursor.

>>713706098
>can only say no to Kris and Rudy
Fuck she’d get roped into fucking every dude in college that hit on her wouldn’t she

>>713704362
>No Freddy-sama, yamate!

>>713706119
Just like in Undertale, right? Oh, wait.

What's Ralsei's deal?

>>713706034
they probably don't recognize kris because he's blue

>>713706157
Pretty much. Any guy showing interest in her would instantly get her into bed.

>>713706119
>Correct, because the soul is not its own unique character. It is us, or rather, our avatar.
Then you'd be naming the soul.

>>713704095
Being herself.

>>713706006
Whoa hey now, I’m no Berdly fan but hear that pathetic

Susie if she real.

>>713706175
Schizo theory: Kris's real SOUL turned into a Darkner.

>>713706118
How will you feel about the Papyrus fight in Chapter 5?

>>713706054
How can she be when she is not strong enough yet

>>713706210
Does your mouse cursor have a name?

>>713706260
*he’s not that pathetic

>>713706316
He won't stand between me and the Twisted sword kino

>>713706336
yes

>Anons actually believe in Papyrus Knight, think Toby would do it, and think it would be cool

>>713706336
My mouse cursor isn't someone's soul.

>>713706034
>>713706071
So then did Kris actually open the Chapter 2 fountain, and Queen was just lying?

>>713706308
that would imply Kris's soul is kindness which is impossible looking at how Kris usually is

>>713706469
Only retards with 30 IQ ever thought papyrus would be relevant

Toby has already mentioned that the main leitmotif of the weird route is freedom. Whose freedom and from whom—he didn’t specify. But I think it’s pretty obvious and clear to everyone. He’s not some prose genius who hides the truth in a layer of lies, buried in a sea of truth, submerged in an ocean of lies. Those are too complex schemes for him, and it’s obvious that the weird route is about the conflict between you, the player, and the characters in your mutual lack of freedom.

As a player, you want the freedom to do all sorts of nonsense, while the characters want freedom from your tyranny. This is a path where you become the main antagonist for them, and they become yours. On this path, you’ll gather the best equipment in the game and unlock the strongest skills, like a typical munchkin, but it’ll backfire in your face at the end when the characters rise against you and defeat you using the very power you gave them, not expecting they could break free from your control.

This route is about your rapid rise and the inevitable downfall of evil. It’s an evolution of the pacifist route ideas from Undertale, where the core message is that you should let the characters live their lives. That you should respect their needs, desires, and thoughts. That you shouldn’t turn into a tyrant just because you can.
Recall Flowey’s dialogue after the true pacifist run—well, the weird route is a development of those ideas. It’s about how your evil in the game isn’t something Toby approves of.

>want to make an Undertale-like game with the same gameplay style but an original setting
>can't think of anything to represent the player's hitbox as good as the SOUL
Gimmie ideas

>>713706515
Very possibly. That or the Knight told her to keep her mouth shut. Either way, King repeating the exact same words that Susie kept saying to Kris is extremely suspect in hindsight.

>>713704142
>>713704426
Fucking retard, lmao.
https://github.com/Flowseal/zapret-discord-youtube
I know that it says "discord-youtube", but you can just add more addresses to the list. I live in Volzhskiy and can use Catbox with no issue.
https://files.catbox.moe/3gjo5s.jpg

>>713706492
Neither is the red soul, it's a series of pixels in a video game that we use to select options in a menu.

>>713705984
>Big plot twist:
>Kris never had violent tendencies, not during childhood, not during teenagehood.
>Noelle did. She just doesn't remember because of her tendency to "freeze up" when she's too scared... which is actually just when she's too excited.
>She scared the fuck out of Kris, which is why Kris carries a knife around.
>Dess' disappearance is actually on her somehow, not that she'd remember, and Carol covered it up. She convinced Asgore to keep fucking quiet about it until she could get Dess back, which is why he lost his job and why Toriel is angry, because Asgore in fact knows more than he lets on.
>Kris has also spent years afraid af and it's why they tried to put distance, but then keeps getting sent to do homework with her and that's why Kris keeps becoming more and more of a shut in, it's not depression, it's fear.
>In Normal route Kris still feels bad about it because Noelle looks completely normal outside of her little "epsisodes", a sweet girl even, so Kris tries to keep her in the dark from any adventures or fights.
>But in Snowgrave, (You) try to nurture that repressed side of Noelle, which scares and frustrates the living fuck out of Kris after years of being traumatized by her.

>>713706621
I'm surpised y'all give a shit about Papyrus still, I forgot about him already

>>713705984
I find it funny that this image predates chapter 2.

>>713704681
>I'm actually from a pretty based country
>But these are just local overreaches because the state genuinely cares about children's safety, which is acceptable.
In retrospective, I shouldn't have tried to help you. You deserve it.

>>713706689
> Use tools promoted by the CIA that actively manipulate all your online data.
You're not very smart, friend...

When the meme is so supreme you let out a screame

>>713697865 (OP)
How about both? I'm not one for harems normally but I feel like they'd function better as a threesome than any individual pair. Suselle would be much less cringe if they had Kris to play off.

>>713706683
well depends of the context of the game.

>>713697865 (OP)
>The impossible choice
Exactly
Because my choice is not included

>>713706336
It would if it was an avatar representing us in some world.

In the end you're still assuming Toby isn't going to just pull the same stunt he's pulled before and that the soul might actually belong to a character. Literally the first thing you're told about the vessel creation sequence is that it's a total mislead.

>>713706750
I subscribe to your theory anon

>>713706515
queen never met the knight, but it's impossible for kris to have made the ch2 fountain anyways, since we see everything kris does that day
and no, he didn't make the fountain in between ch1 & 2 because noelle and berdly were set up in the computer lab already, the fountain was made when they were already inside

>>713706810
>promoted by the CIA
When did they promote that Russian open source project?

>>713706842
Joel, play the snow grave route already

>>713706750
>This is why in the Susie bullying story Noelle responds to actual murder threats to her childhood friend with total casualness and getting horny for the bully.

How will the rest of Snowgrave play out?

>>713707001
they get married and have children

Grilled Fish theory..... DESTROYED
How am I supposed to live with myself

>>713706683
Could always do it like how Touhou does it - a dot to represent the hitbox with a character sprite underneath it. Deltarune fan animation Inexistent Freedom does something similar at a couple points near the end with Kris if you want to get an idea for how that could look:

https://youtu.be/HLoKQ9wW8fY?t=166

>>713707038
Humans and reindeer are not sexually compatible

>>713707001
>>713706671

>>713707038
TRVTH NVKE

>>713707001
they get married and have children

>>713706750
I like it. I've seen that interpretation of the bathroom scene in chapter 4 snowgrave before and I really like it. Kris isn't mad that you're "corrupting Noelle" or whatever. He's mad and afraid because you're enabling her worst tendencies and making her stronger. He's seen this shit before and he DOES NOT like it.

>For eleven out of twelve months every year, Noelle is somewhat unnerved by Kris
>However in December she's like this

>>713707086
Magic will help them

>>713697865 (OP)
you mean the *easy* choice

>>713706671
>Sell all their equipment right before the endgame

>>713707086
They just gotta try really hard, you just need to be determined enough

I will take Noelle to the festival

>>713707086
not with that attitude

>>713706750
>>713706996
>Kris wasn't scared of Susie's bullying because they already fully knew the difference between just a bully posturing out of insecurity and own fear, and a genuine murderer.

>>713707086
me if I hated fun

>>713706858
"A total mislead" that saves all your answers between chapters, and has default answers when starting from chapter 2 onward. You're basically writing off the entire Goner Maker sequence as irrelevant, when it sets a ton of precedents for how the remainder of the game will operate.

Noelle will ride me

>>713706750
Concerningly plausible. Noelle blanked out what happened that night in the forest when we KNOW something happened then, and the only time we've seen her do something similar on-screen is when she was in a murder-fuelled haze of violence that we provoked.

>>713707001
A dark fountain covers the whole town during the festival, and you Snowgrave all the Lightners

>>713706683
Wizards with magic balls
Or do something like Last Command, where you're a digital program and your avatar is just a dot that also acts as your hitbox.

>>713705729
Okay

Could a human reproduce with this?

>>713706750
I don't really like this theory as I wanted for Kris to be the edgy presumably evil main character that isn't trustworthy but it's really plausible

>>713707001
>like in the normal route, Noelle breaks down after something traumatic (Rudy dies, Susie shoots her down, etc.)
>except instead of becoming The Angel, she gives over control to (You)
>Kris goes mask off, meets up with Carol/The Knight to try and stop (You)
>(You)elle beat Kris and re-posess him with the Twisted Sword, which we already know puts Kris in Trance

>>713707001

i love gasterposting

>>713706879
>it's impossible for kris to have made the ch2 fountain anyways
Oh boy, here we go again.

>>713705635
Knowing Noelle she was probably left wet by that

>>713707409
Those were tears of joy anon

>>713706671
>not expecting they could break free from your control.
Then why are you expecting it?

>>713707423
>Dig a hole in some soil
>Nut in the hole
>Bury Vegetoid in the hole with just the leaves sticking out
>Come back daily to nut on the leaves
>9 months later, two fully grown vegetoids rise form the soil

>>713707441
Twisted Sword is Trance DOWN, though. It reduces Trance. Possibly, it'd mean that Kris would have less control over us when we're in them.

>>713705875
she's pretty happy during snowgrave until berdy snaps her out of it

>>713707441
>(You)elle
I can't wait to play as Noelle, it's 100% happening

>>713698915
dripped out dess

>>713707168
A noelle that got pregnant that many times would realistically look like this afterwards.

>>713707573

>>713707597
fuck you fuck you fuck you

>>713706879
>queen never met the knight
She also has apparently never met Kris before. She's lying about at least one of these, which means she could very well be lying about the other.

>>713707597
haha

>>713706879
>We're going to have this argument eternally even though we know who the Knight is already.
Pain.

Never trust "nice" girls
worst mistake of my life

>>713707597
Can't believe how hungry I get when I'm pregnant haha... J-just one more gingerbread monster couldn't hurt, right

>>713706175
looks like he wants walkies

>>713706671
>Toby has already mentioned that the main leitmotif of the weird route is freedom
[citation needed]

>>713707650
Queen and King both never met the Knight. Neither ever deny that they've met Kris before. King even specifically calls Kris "Lightbringer" which feels oddly specific given Susie is also a Lightner.

>>713707423
Yes.
Much like how I impregnated Tsunderplane

>>713707442
Kek

>>713707441
If Noelle could solo Kris, Carol and Knight Dess that'd be really insane.

>>713707725
>Suselle

>>713707597
My cousin has six kids and she's not fat

>>713707779
did someone edit Kris as Linkara's Lightbringer yet

>>713707554
Huh.. that makes sense actually.

>>713707702
>we know who the Knight is already.
Still unconfirmed

Why is this little psycho ok with sacrificing the police chief

>>713707803
I'm pretty sure Noelle is the final boss in the normal route and you make her even stronger in Snowgrave. Fully awakened and with (You) backing her up she's the strongest.

>>713707702
there are like 2 possibilities, 3 if you're lobotomized

>>713707573
I knew it was happening since ch2, but with ch4 I'm even more sure
>love finds its way to the girl
>normal route: you control susie after kris ditches you
>rape route, you control noelle after kris ditches you

>>713707984
Because he's fucking evil and not trustworthy same with Israel.

>>713707984
He doesn't give a shit for anyone he doesn't know (classmates, family). Look at how he interacted with Alphys if you drank the drink.

>>713707984
>We're organizing a banquet for the police.
>We'll sacrifice a pig next week, will make for a nice barbeque.

>>713707702
>only indication that the boss at the end of Chapter 3 is the Roaring Knight is because the battle UI said so
hmmmmm

People will deny it but /v/ called Susie a garbage character "Mary Sue" before 3+4 got its release date and released.

>>713708132
doesn't know as in isn't his acquaintance

>>713707702
>even though we know who the Knight is already

>>713707984
Kris is evil and a mean human. Not cute.

>>713708209
There are still people calling Susie a Mary Sue, and I have no fucking idea how they justify it when as of right now Susie is literally the most humiliated character in the game and everyone is keeping secrets from her, no matter how bad they feel about it.

It feels like the mere fact Susie has "likable personality" as a canon trait is already enough for some to declare her a completely unrealistic power fantas- oh wait.

>>713707423
Hnnng, bratty vegetable…

>>713708209
She has always a mary sue-sie

>>713707313
>You're basically writing off the entire Goner Maker sequence as irrelevant
No I'm saying it's a mislead. You're mislead into thinking it's immediately relevant, you may also be misled into thinking it's never relevant.

Though I do question how important it could possibly be given it's possible to skip it entirely by starting a later chapter. All your choices being saved, even as a default is Toby's way of keeping you guessing on what is or isn't going to be important.

>susie looks mean but is actually nice underneath
>kris looks evil but is actually (probably) nice underneath
So the Weird route must actually be good even though it looks pretty evil.

Kris is going to betray Susie…

>>713707492
It's impossible because the Fountain would LITERALLY have to have been open the entire damn night and schoolday and NOBODY, NOT A SINGLE MONSTER went inside the fountain accidently - only Noelle and Berdly, and this is during a traffic jam which Kris would have to magically fucking know would happen beforehand

Kris is in school at the time, and Noelle and Berdly are also in school so somehow the TWO SMARTEST CHARACTERS IN THAT CLASS collectivly decided, oh, we're going to walk into this dark as shit room and sit down, oh no we are falling, which is fucking bullshit because it relies entirly on the reactions of 2 people who can afford to wait for Kris and Susie to come since Noelle literally left you two by the school closet, she doesn't HAVE to enter the uberdarkness and could have easily freezed up on seeing it and an ENTIRE 12+ HOUR PLAN would have gone up in fucking smoke, not even Susie was stupid enough to hang around in the dark closet and we only went through Chapter 1 because SOMEONE ELSE locked the damn door on us

It is literally easier to hide in the big serverspace beforehand and just wait for someone to come in and then flood the room with the Dark Fountain Darkness via opening the serverdoor, removes every bit of randomness from the equation because you can easily target select people and, if caught in the server room you can just say your there to avoid the traffic rush and checking everything with the server itself is fine due to the internet issues

>>713701916
That is not the input for a shoryuken.

>>713708567
>It's impossible because the Fountain would LITERALLY have to have been open the entire damn night and schoolday and NOBODY, NOT A SINGLE MONSTER went inside the fountain accidently - only Noelle and Berdly, and this is during a traffic jam which Kris would have to magically fucking know would happen beforehand
Just as the Freedom Schizos are aligned with Chaos Cat in their attempts to break the prophecy, Kris is aligned with Law Dog in his attempt to enforce the prophecy.

The Knight made the library fountain because of the closet that could fit a large person inside, which is referenced in ch4 (and blatantly implies the Knight is still inside in that one, which is why Kris refuses to open it)

Canon Kris and Berdly relationship

>>713706750
>The reason Kris, the Knight and Carol are acting with so much secrecy isn't because they're actually doing something wrong, they just need to keep Noelle in the dark about it or she might flip again.
>The reason Kris keeps Susie in the dark too is because Noelle has a crush on her and desperately wants to talk to her more, and he both doesn't want to say something that Susie might accidentally reveal to her later and doesn't want to reveal anything to Susie because he doesn't trust her acting skills are enough to not make Noelle suspicious of her sudden change in attitude.

FUCK IT ALL MAKES TOO MUCH SENSE

>>713707001
>roaring happens
>kris gets tired of (YOU)r shit and rips you out
>Noelle fully committed to “getting stronger” fully gives control to (YOU)
>manage to break the prophecy to leaves a frozen shithole in the process
>kris makes one final plea to Noelle but it’s only (YOU)

>>713708492
neither of these are true

>>713706750
I hate that I can see this being what's actually going on.

>>713708857
>Rudy isn't actually ill.
>He just pretends to so Noelle will go spend time at the hospital every once in a while and give the team some maneuver space.

YanDEERe

>>713709439
>YanDEERe

>>713707984
EVEN THE COP GETS USED UP

https://x.com/afrocatt0/status/1938069403347612151?s=46&t=34_rFJi27ZiYh1yrvLtzxQ

Someone turn this into a webm

>>713709570
No.

>>713709570
>Tasque Manager.
Told ya guys I'm getting her at the end of the game.

>>713709651
Based starwalker along for the ride

>>713709439
is that omori

>>713709706
where's her futa cock?

>>713709793
In some other fanart.

>>713706750
>Noelle is Habara from High School GIrls are Funky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXFgl9iKU9E

>>713709651
How many of these are there?

>>713710132
A lot

>>713706750
I would like to subscribe to your newsletter

>>713710225
Good. Good

>>713709901

>>713706750
Where's that image of Noelle hitting small creatures with a hammer because Kris told her it was hot

>>713706750
>Dess would make Noelle watch horror movies with her and comfort her when she got too scared.
>Noelle thinks this made her relate scary people with comfort.
>In truth, it made her relate gore and bloodshed with comfort.

Just post the Asgore one, it’s the only good one.

>>713710617

>>713710225
Should be Ralsei since Lancer does run over him when he's cloaked to match his prophecy

>>713708567
What about the Church though? The goal there was probably to capture Toriel again. If it was easier to wait for someone to enter the building and THEN make the Dark Fountain, why would they make the Dark Fountain in the Church first before choir practice started?

>>713708446
>the most humiliated character in the game
That's Asgore. Or maybe even Noelle.

Susie's pretty likeable and fun and she's almost Toby's way of saying "a protagonist who is saying what the player is likely thinking works better than a protagonist who never says anything so the player can self-insert". But I can see where the feelings of mary-sue come from, especially when she's being pushed as this defiant character whose able to break fate and defy your choices because her will is that strong she's able to defy narrative and all that shit.

It's also weird that she manages to have three characters all have a crush on her despite supposedly not meant to be at all popular with people.

>>713710617
>>713710617

Every single one of your theories are both baseless and would be terrible storytelling. Take your head out of your ass and think before you speak

https://files.catbox.moe/z5h24u.gif
The Starwalker one I have saved is too big to post and I can't be bothered to resize it right now, so here's a catbox link

>>713708209
I still do.

>>713708446
Humiliation doesn't matter since it's played for laughs. There are never any problems that Susie cannot overcome or that she explicitly needs someone else for. She can heal now, she can ACT, she opens fountains, she ignores dialogue options, she has new backstory added as necessary to make her Cool and Familair like fucking JRPGs, and the entire plot centers around HER to where characters who are ostensibly more important still ask why the camera isn't on her instead.
>the mere fact Susie has "likable personality" as a canon trait
SHE FUCKING DOESN'T and that's why she's a Sue, she has 6 people worshipping her who have no real reason to other than forced by the player or being a hot sexy lesbian who wants to fuck her, and people who don't are set up to be villains like Carol and Catti (the hot special protagonist's worst enemies, the Homophobic Mom and the Gofficks)

>>713710728
>That's Asgore.
Yeah no that one's for sure, I kinda forgot him there for a moment.

>she's being pushed as this defiant character whose able to break fate and defy your choices
Not really. She's pushed as a defiant character who SAYS she will break fate. There's a difference between declaring it and actually pulling it off.