I blame FFXV for killing Final Fantasy IP in general. Overhyped, dev hell bait and switch ruined people's optimism about the whole franchise. That's why FFXVI flopped and why XIV is underperforming.

>>713782732 (OP)
I liked XV but it's definitely lacking in charm.

>>713782732 (OP)
They should have publicly murdered the guy that said to make the final fantasy games not fantasy.

>>713782732 (OP)
I enjoyed XV more than I did recent VII and XVI

I dont think the IP is dead, they just need to scale back the budget and make more fun games. I don't get the obsession of having their mainline games be a huge spectacle. Why not remake rings of fate and echoes of time in 1 fun package

>>713782732 (OP)
14 lost is way years ago, it's not even FF anymore. 15 was horrible. 16 was better, but still bad. The remakes are mediocre. It's a dead IP.

Square literally never recovered from the FFXV dev hell.

>>713782732 (OP)
You can trace back a lot of the problems in the current day industry to Final Fantasy 15.

When will Kiryu announce X-3?

>>713782732 (OP)
11 and 12 killed the IP for me
11 was way too soon for a PS2 MMO even if it was great. 12 was shit unless you could stand it. 13 was a girl boss and a nigga. 14 was a really mid/shit mmo on release. they just lost the fucking plot after X

>>713782732 (OP)
Weird way to type FFXIII wrong

Yeah right FFXV ruined people's optimism for the franchise
Not the weirdo FFXIII trilogy

>>713782732 (OP)
>game is faggy sausagefest
>only remembered now for lazyprocrastinator porn
The last good FF game was SoP and that wasn't even square. The last good square FF game was X. Why has every mainline entry since then been such pozzed failures?

>>713782732 (OP)

>>713783358
XII was kino and the peak

XIII killed the whole thing and made the once prestigious classic IP into a Compile Heart tier mockery

>>713783358
13 was great

>>713783358
13 is what actually killed them. 13 being a clusterfuck and having good money thrown after bad as a result leading into 14 needing a whole reboot a month into launch into 15 being seen as terrible by everyone killed that IP.

>>713782732 (OP)
XIII killed the game, XV slammed that final nail and then XIV and XVI brought in the LGBTQ+ crowd who dont really spend money while drivnig away the original fans.
>>713783486
>>713783520
Who is this fucker?

>>713783119
>I don't get the obsession of having their mainline games be a huge spectacle
Thats what ff7, it’s what made them big

post the squenix shares chart

>>713783576
Here you go.

>>713783520
I feel so bad for this doxed bronyfag

>>713783494
>>713783505
its ok to be a lightning simp, I watched my bro play almost the whole thing and it looked like ass
>>713783491
12 shook me the second I ran into the first nigga for 5 seconds then some shitty fight started, then I decided this shit is retarded and never gave it a chance.

>>713783520
Balls Gay 3 wasn't as humiliating as Expedition 33

>>713782732 (OP)
Final Fantasy was over when Square was infected by EA. it has just been a long slow death ever since

>>713782732 (OP)
XII, XIII, XIV, XV, XVI were all massive fat shits that lost the company money. XI get a pass (barely) because it never pozzed itself to death with trannies like XIV. The CEO needs to fire all of the current devs and hand FF off to some hungry young nip chomping at the bit to make the next E33.

>>713782732 (OP)
every EVERY ff after x-2 flopped.
x-2 soured the fans, xi and xii were mmo or wanted to be, xiii was cloud but female which soured the fans again, xiv was mmo again, xv was all over the place, xvi had chill gameplay but chill gameplay is not meant for a flagship title so it was doomed too.
>>713783119
>scale back the budget
the problem is how the budget is spent.
in the old days, the budget went to the prerendered cutscenes.
nowadays there are no prerendered cutscenes, and the games look horrible because of it.
if they did prerendered cutscenes in the age of TAA and framegen, they would be crowned king of graphics again. specially if they use an actual modern workstation supercomputer to render cutscenes.

>>713782732 (OP)
>Killing
People have ff living rent free in their heads anon
Every jrpg gets compared to FF, not bg, or expedition or metaphor

? FF stopped being the biggest JRPG in the world years ago.

>>713784095
Your coping

>>713783618
>Square
>an industry veteran for decades
>countless of classic games over the years
>not even 2% of those Chinese companies with no-name gachas
Holy fuck, if they were to ever expand into the AAA/console single player market they could just steamroll the entire industry overnight...

>>713784127
15 killed the franchise he's right

>>713783491
can you really look a nigga in the eyes and say 12 was better than 5,6,7,9,10 or even 8?

>>713784127
>mogs squarecucks
>takes all their lunch money

>>713783912
>>713784127
the only way it gets brought into comparison with those games is to shit on the newer FF

>>713784170
I can absolutely say it was better than 8, yeah.

>>713784210
But ff it's like that ex girlfriend you can't stop talking about

>>713782732 (OP)
FF game sales are based on the previous entry’s reception.
>FF7 sold well
>FF8 sold gangbusters because 7 was kino
>FF9 bombed because 8 was shit
>FFX sold gangbusters because 9 was kino
>FF12 bombed because 11 was shit
>FF13 sold gangbusters because 12 was kino
>FF13-2 bombed because 13 was shit
>FF15 sold gangbusters because FF14 was kino
>FF16 bombed because 15 was shit
17 will sell gangbusters.

>>713784170
Yes. But I couldn't say it was better than Tactics.

>>713784209
The fact that the world's biggest jrpg isn't even made by japs has got to be some sort of hate crime, lol

>>713784129
all the "pros" are in mobile game dev right now.
the failures get kicked down to console dev.
you get what I mean when you see a sucessful mobile game that is not mtx riddled come to pc, just to end up only releasing on microsoft store and not moving any units. so called pros only use the best and dont touch the rest it seems.

>>713784209
>Also mogged Nintendo to the point tendie mods keep deleting mihoyo threads
LMAO

>>713784252
Because we dated for a long time. She used to have a tight pussy. Now she's a fat, tattooed, potty-mouthed, chain-smoking whore and it's fun to shit on her by comparing her to younger, hotter chicks that actually want to please me.

>>713783905
Dont they still specifically have an fmv studio for that?? I remember balan wonderland getting one

>>713784406
No, FF is that ex girlfriend that abandoned you and you are just mad she will never be with you again, while your new girlfriends get annoyed at you spending more time talking about your ex than them

>>713784209
>>713783618
FGO held the line for almost a decade at least. Being pozzed failures is specifically a Square Enix problem.

>>713784432
you won't get these crops, Vergil...

>>713784450
ok fat bitch, go suck dick for fent and rent

>>713784406
That anon is right though, FF stopped being turn based 20 years ago yet people only talk about FF. Where are DQ11 threads? What happened to metaphor threads?
Also other turn based games are ignored.

>>713784347
True, Nintendies can't stop losing against china kek

>>713784347
>gachacuck getting uppity again
Reminder, you own nothing and your waifus are corporate property that can be taken away from you at any time
Enjoy getting NTR'd

>>713784553
>Where are DQ11 threads?
Dragon Quest is only popular in Japan and Mexico, it's like Dragonball where it's one of those franchises they like just because they're expected to like it. Like the Beatles are for music.
>What happened to metaphor threads?
As far as I can tell, Metaphor is plagued with the same 60 hours of visual novel bullshit as Persona.

>>713784638
Wait why are you repling to me and not
>>713784209
Don't tell me you tendies were hiding behind mihogods again to shit on FF? LMAOOOO

>>713783358
>14 was a really mid/shit mmo on release
It also untaught the lesson that you should wait, delay, and work on shit until it's ready to launch. It is rare that it actually works, but XIV and No Man's Sky have given live service/MMO games this idea that a launch disaster can/should be salvaged.

You just hate good JRPG writing, bigots

>>713782732 (OP)
Ff16 is an unfinished game.
It's actually sad because while playing it I always thought "this could have been fucking great if they didn't just stretch their early alpha to 100 hours".
And square will learn nothing. Next game will be a 5% finished game with turnbased combat that still forgot to put any interesting places of fantasy in their final fantasy game.
Can't wait to have 5000 turn based battles on the same stretch of dirt road.

>>713784638
Except xivniggers are the gachakeks now. Keep up

>>713784210
And? That still proves FF is the benchmark to compare their games to. “If it beats FF then it is good”. Never stopped being the most valuable brand name of jrpg even with 20 years of its quality dipping.

>>713784669
Tendies are known for flipfloping alliances when convenient anon

>>713784905
>That still proves FF is the benchmark to compare their games to
old FF* yes
read the whole post

>>713784905
FF is irreplaceable

>>713784993
So in 20 years no jrpg managed to do that?

You all sound a bit mentally ill

>paywalled aethercurrents
>timegated dungeons
>paywalled relics and weapon glows
>gacha rng for gear drops
kekaROOOOOOOOOO

>>713784406
Post a picture of yourself, shitlord.

>>713784993
But they’re not being compared to old FF lol

>>713785119
?
why?

Please pay a little bugling for a bot already dumpie this is getting sad

Coked out of his mind as he is now, Adam Sessler was right years ago about cucked nip devs like Yoshida

>>713783081
honestly fuck the hell out of Nomura. He got so much of a hard on all the Hitman Mafia themed animu around the time FFXV was announced. they couldnt get anything past the concept trailer to work in a story.

>>713782732 (OP)
>Killing the ip
>When even the shittiest ff in the shittiest console managed to sell 3 millions which is more than the average jrpg
>When it gets 50 threads daily to the point mods should make a fucking FF board to contain it
>When the shitty card game is selling a lot
Now imagine if they just TRIED
>Turn based
>Multiplatform

>>713784887
Only reason they brought it out on mobile is so they can add 1 million players onto the advertising and say it's bigger than wow, when everyone playing knows it isn't.

>>713784209
>>713784781
HSR, a turn-based 4 niggas in a row game, makes 10x what mmoslop like FFXIV makes. Probably something to do with not hiring trannies like Sena Bryer and Kate Cwynar.

https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/713756017#713766904
What's this autism

>>713783560
P from the game Lies of yoshiP

>>713785330
Even genshin humiliated totk and botw hard

>>713782732 (OP)
He needs to come back.

>>713783560
>Who is this fucker?
Naoki "Yoshitpiss" Yoshida, director and producer of Final Fantasy XIV: Dawntrail

>>713785184
what did he say?

>>713784258
>filtered by VIII
Opinion automatically discarded.

>>713782732 (OP)
I respect you for not cropping the date

I'M DOOOMPING MY FOLDER, I'M BOUT TO DOOOOMP

>>713785406
What they should have done is made a gay comic including that mascot
that I might consider getting

>>713785396
>FFXIV
All I need to know to realize he's one of the few people that need to be purged alongside Nomura.

ALLOW ME TO TALK ABOUT YOSHIT PEE PEE AGAIN AAAAH

>>713783618
why are you so butthurt over statistics? lmao

>>713784129
Doesn't this just mean Japan is losing against chinks

>>713785517
>Meanwhile genshin zzz and HSR threads are banned because they are big and trigger nintendie mods

The reality is that Square hasn't made a single good game since the PS2 era.

>>713782732 (OP)
Been on the decline for a while.
>Two MMOs taking the spot of numbered entries instead of being spin-offs
>FF12's development issues
>Everything about the FF13 trilogy
>FF15 somehow spending a decade in development hell, only to switch directors and be rushed out the door anyway
>FF16 fully alienating fans of pre-XIV FF
>>713785330
It's expected. Gachas unfortunately are what MMOs have spent the past decade trying to become. The real issue is that Japanese boomers fucked up so hard since the start of the HD era that the industry lost most JRPG fans, and really the majority of otaku, to gacha trash.

>>713785627
Nice switching goalposts, retard! expected from a squareshit faggot though

>>713785640
Their low to medium budget games can occasionally be good thanks to being removed from executive influence, but those immediately get sidelined in favor of pushing the next AAA abomination, or priced so high that nobody cares until years later.

>>713785596
The blizzcuck numbers are also in that pic. I meant what I said: the ENTIRE industry can get speedrun if they decide to invade.

>>713785627
They're banned because they're not video games and you need to go to /vmg/ where you fucking belong.

>>713785684
Literally KILL YOURSELF, opportunist tendie rat, always conveniently latching onto us when you need to sperg against other games. You are such pathetic cowards

Enough has already been said about FFXV, but still to this day one of the most disappointing gaming moments I've ever had was entering the dark world post-timeskip and it leading straight to the ending sections after you leave the gas station. I thought it would be part 2 like in older FF games where you go to another planet or underground, or like DQ where there are timeskips like that. I had so many questions about where everyone was and who was still alive, what the world was like, what a bunch of places looked like now and I wanted to explore the bro group dynamic again with everyone aged. Some dialogue even hinted things like that cute girl had become a demon hunter. I was so ready for what came next, and they drive straight towards the end. Fuck.

>>713785753
Oh but they are videogames when you need to sperg against FF faggots, Nintendo trannies? Too coward to face them openly on your own? Too coward to compare your games with other big games? Someday you need to stop hiding behind ff skirts

>>713785596
Gooks and chinkss are catching up. fast. the end of Japs game dev is around the clock

>>713783081
Yeah whoever made FF6 was a moron.

>>713785814
>Oh but they are videogames when you need to sperg against FF faggots, Nintendo trannies?
No, they're simply not video games and posting gachashit on this board should result in a permaban you retarded fucking seamonkey ape.

>>713785775
the most disappointing game moment for me was getting to the Episode 2 of MGSV and seeing it's just replay missions from Episode 1

>>713785814
Prease understand if FF17 is good we tendie sister need to larp as friends and comfy posters to shill our products sir

>>713785897
LMAO that pic

>>713785753
Then mmos shouldn't be videogames either and we see you schizos spamming "yoshicrap telenovela" everyday.
You seriously thought you would drag us to your war? Like when you tried to drag stellarbros against expeditionfags?

>>713785330
Chinks hate baizuo in their own companies but send them out to pozz and sabotage their competitors, softening them up for hostile takeovers later.

>>713785849
Then stop hiding behind us to seethe against FF fags, you brown nose eew

>>713785983
>Then mmos shouldn't be videogames either
Well no, because MMOs are video games. Gachas are gambling apps where you try to win pngs.
>You seriously thought you would drag us to your war? Like when you tried to drag stellarbros against expeditionfags?
Nigger I don't know or care what the fuck you're on about. Stellar Blade and E33 were both great games. Gachashit is not video games. You should be killed along with the rest of your seamonkey nigger family for fucking up my internet experience.
>>713786038
Don't know or care what the fuck you're babbling about but go to /vmg/ where you fucking belong and then heroically take your own life.

>>713782732 (OP)
X-2 (normies hate it), XI, XII, XIII 1-3 did that.
10 full years of dead Final Fantasy in pop culture.

>>713786102
>xivcuck screeching that his own game is now a gacha
Many such trannoids

>>713786004
Xi Jinping forced Snoy to move to California, kill SIE Japan, get Nicolas Doucet to rape the corpse and put Jim Ryan as head honcho of Snoystation? CCP did this? Not the americans with their fag military bases in Japan?

>>713785439
Truth hurts more than your dilater.

>>713782732 (OP)
Get fucked.

>>713783119
they don't need to scale back the budget so much as they need to stop making movie simulators

>>713784170
8 mogs 5, 6, and 9

>>713782732 (OP)
FF15 was never meant to be a mainline game. It was supposed to be this side game next to 13.
FF13-2 and 13-3 were also not meant to exist.
This is all FF14s fault. Capcom put all of their attention towards that which fucked with many projects.

>>713782732 (OP)
Nearly every FF after X was shit, especially the MMOs. The sole exceptions are Stranger of Paradise and Crystal Chronicles

>>713782732 (OP)
It really, really ,really should've just been kept as Versus XIII. And the XIII era lasted too long as it was. The franchise took a wrong turn at XII, really.

>>713786348
SE*

>>713785897

>>713782732 (OP)
All of the talent left Square Enix years ago to go off and make Granblue. Only the dregs like Yoshida and his cultists were left behind.

>>713786102
>>713786212
Oh it's tendie manipulation time
>>713785897
Lmaooo

>>713786549
Even if FFXVII was a massive success we wouldn't want the fake nintodlers "friendship"
Please don't lick our asses if that happens it's pretty embarrassing, like seeing a friend mocking at your lowest then suddenly wanted your friendship if you became rich

>>713782732 (OP)
Don't blame FF15, remember that wa VERSUS13, THERE WAS NO FF15! I'm pretty sure if Nomura knew from the start he was making a mainline FF and not an offset FF he would have done something VERY different. He knew he got screwed over and left before that decision and made Kingdom hearts 3 instead.

>SAAR, PLEASE DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO FF15, PLEASE, PAY ATTENTION TO YOSHI P
Barry please

>>713786702
You know final fantasy still bite Nintendo cultists in the ass 25 years laters when they are willing to shill Genshin and cia.
>I'm before numbers
Just like Deckfags causing them to melt despite selling like 3 millions
>>713786764
Nomura still wants to make Versus 13, look at Verum Rex, it's square Enix being retarded forcing them to make more Sora and thinking geriatric millennials and zoomers still care about Disney. Actually using suit shareholders logic FF nor KH would exist if they only remained safe and made DQ games only
I could see a new spin off using KH combat attracting new zoomers, nobody wants to check out all the KH lore to play the new game

>>713786702
Nobody wants them, they're backstabbing fucking parasites.

Every time I saw them tagging along with "PC w-w-w-with WII U master race!" meme when the console relevancy was starting to fade last gen, my hatred grew for them exponentially. Why? Because they are the FIRST to seethe about emulators (one of the main boons and reasons for PC preference), calling them piracy, doxing the patreons and calling kiketendo daddy to cease and desist them. Fucking rats.

>>713786702
>>713787071
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/713432367/#q713454090
They become really docile once they feel cornered kek
In this same thread they slurped Honkai semen only to immediately backstab them in the same thread

What the fuck is this console war nigger shit about tendies? This is a fucking Final Fantasy thread, what the fuck do tendies have to do anything? What the fuck is the matter with you?

>>713782732 (OP)
>I blame Square Enix for killing Final Fantasy IP in general*
ftfy

how the fuck FFXV was a failure when is the most selling Final Fantasy? seriously I believe it sold 13-15 million

>>713788416
Because it was garbage and damaged the reputation of the series. So did XVI.

>>713788468
yes but i'm talking about financial results

>>713788578
being in dev hell for 10 years probably didn't help those

>>713788578
Because immediate income isn't the only thing that matters. It sold, it made a profit, and then it damaged future sales and faith in the brand.

>>713788468
>So did XVI.
playing that game rn, it’s solid. Way more than whatever XV was. What makes it bad in any shape or form?

>>713784258
Profoundly retarded opinion.

>>713788837
You're either still at the beginning or you have extremely bad taste in vidya, I'm probably leaning toward the latter since you type like an underaged nigger mutt.
>bruh i playn dat rn it solid fo real cuh no cap

>>713788837
Let's start with the gameplay. The big focus is on the eikon abilities, but the eikon abilities are all on MMO style cooldowns. There's nothing you can do about the cooldowns, you just use them and do your one 4-hit filler combo in the meantime. Compare to SoP or FF7R where all your cool shit uses a resource, and you're rewarded with said resource for staying on the offensive and engaging with the enemy. That isn't the case in XVI, you just dump your skills and fuck around swinging your 4-hit toothpick filling the time. That's boring. What makes it worse is that there's only one character, with one weapon. So you can't even change up your filler playstyle.
Character progression is on rails which is something FFXIII rightfully got shit on for. You get a new eikon every like 10 hours of gameplay and once you do get it there's no way to get anything else. You're storygated out of further cool shit. Character levels not only don't matter at all, but the exp gain is scaled so it stalls out when you start matching enemy levels, preventing you from grinding up. Not that it would matter, because those levels gain you nothing.
Weapon crafting is completely pointless. Each dungeon/boss gives you a material you use to upgrade to the next sword, which just raises your damage by +5 (meaningless). There's literally no point to this system existing, and yet 90% of all treasure you find are materials for this system that has nothing to craft.

>>713782732 (OP)
Only 33 mil? Ubisoft lost more than half a billion over the last few years. 33 mil is nothing.

>>713788837
>>713788974
There are moments in the game where you literally watch a 45 minute cutscene, regain control, walk five steps forward, and get thrust into another 45 minute cutscene. The moviegame bloat is unreal, complete with slow forced walk and talk segments, squeezing past narrow corridors, and 'hold the triggers to do thing' QTEs. There are over 20 HOURS of cutscenes in this game. And that's not including the stilted canned emote sidequest cutscenes you'll spend another 20 hours watching.
Sidequests are ripped straight out of FFXIV. They exist just to fill time and for nothing else. Listen to someone spend 10 minutes telling you how and why they need an object on the other side of the map. Walk over and pick it up. Go back. Bam, more crafting materials you can't use. Thrilling.
There is no exploration. There are four giant open world areas with nothing in them but MMO sidequests, and there are hallway dungeons. The hallway dungeons are also ripped straight from FFXIV with the same two trash packs -> mini boss -> two trash packs -> mini boss -> two trash packs -> final boss structure.
Eikon fights have spectacle, but that's all they have. Segments like the Phoenix fight at the start, or the Garuda fighting game segment, or the Phoenix vs Bahamut segment are all on rails and impossible to fail. They're cutscenes.
The only time the game is remotely challenging are in the chronostones (I think that's what they were called) where you have to use one specific eikon and fulfill challenges to keep your time up. The rest of the game you can sleep through. FF Mode isn't any better because you have all eikons out the gate and can just blast everything even more easily than in normal mode.

>>713788837
>>713789017
Onto the story. The premise of the game is awesome. And then it gets rugpulled almost the instant the demo ends. Within five minutes of the demo ending you watch Clive regain his freedom, his girlfriend, get a new job. Even his dog inexplicably returns at that same moment. And then you play for another hour and find out that he didn't even kill Joshua (hilariously, this comes immediately after he has his big moment of accepting """the truth""" that he killed Joshua). In other words, nothing in the demo mattered. It amounts to nothing except for baiting the player. What makes it worse is that later on you find out that Joshua has a personal ninja cult who was there at Phoenix Gate the night of the attack, and they just didn't intervene. They didn't even attempt to save Joshua, they just literally did nothing until they appeared to yank his unconscious body away off screen. It's nonsense.
It's very clearly stitched together from several different drafts. You have shit like Ultima appearing in the demo wearing Joshua's face and robe. He then appears in the same guise leading Clive to Garuda. But then... Joshua isn't Ultima. Joshua is just Joshua and Ultima never appears wearing his guise again. It's never commented on, it's just obviously a draft in which Ultima used Phoenix to possess Joshua's corpse or something.
You spend the majority of the game's story dealing with Sanbreque and its political situation. Actually most of the cutscenes for the entire game's story are about it. So it must be important, right? Nope. It's just filler. Ultima is fucking around with Sanbreque trying to conquer a continent... that he already has control of. He's literally doing it for no reason. And once Olivier and Clive's mom die, nobody ever mentions the plotline again. It just vanishes, because it actually didn't matter.

>>713782732 (OP)
This series was literally always shit with cringe writing, horrible gay character designs and bad gameplay. I have no idea what's wrong with your people's brains thinking otherwise.

>>713788981
it's big for tiny dicked squeenix

>>713788837
>>713789087
There's a lot more I could get into with the story but this copypasta does a good job of detailing a lot of the stupid shit. >>712105683
The music has a handful of great tracks, but the majority of the soundtrack is bland, forgettable, cinematic trash. If you download the OST you'll see it has 8 discs. But listen to it, and you'll hear the same 5 or 6 songs. Over and over and over and over. There are songs on the OST that are LITERALLY the same song, but with slightly different mixing or intros. It also overuses the fuck out of the Prelude and the FF Main Theme, presumably because Soken thinks that's a shortcut to making it sound like Final Fantasy. Soken is probably one of the most misused aspects of the game. He was celebrated for doing shit like XIV's Alexander soundtrack, exciting rock beats and electronic shit. And then they told him to copy Skyrim or something. The only songs on the OST that sound like Soken are Do or Die and Titan Lost. And according to Soken he actually sneaked those songs into test builds and relied upon the praise for them from QA to make sure the higher ups wouldn't rip them out. Fucking unreal.

>>713788924
I’m quite confident I’m at the back half, just like with your whore of a mother.
Imagine judging someone from 2 lines of text. Couldn’t be me.
Also I couldn’t help but notice that you didn’t answer the question, just deflected and went straight to ad hominem. Might it be because you have no argument and all you can do is strawman my position and posture about how you are so much better?
Man, you really sound like a discord tranny. This place sucks since faggots like you became the norm.

>>713789295
>I’m quite confident I’m at the back half
So yeah, my guess was right.
>Imagine judging someone from 2 lines of text.
My judgment was correct though, wasn't it? You type like a nigger because you have a nigger brain.
>Couldn’t be me.
>Man, you really sound like a discord tranny.
More nigger brain right here. You can't even remain consistent within one post.
>Also I couldn’t help but notice that you didn’t answer the question
Even more nigger brain. Here, let me help you. Or, in your tongue, "ook eek dibba dab muhfugga n sheeit"
>>713788974
>>713789017
>>713789087
>>713789154

>>713785383
I think he's too old and it's a shame. I do think Sakaguchi could fit an advisory role like how Chris Metzen, who recently came back to WoW does. I'm not sure when it happened, but Final Fantasy seems to have lost it's way at some point. FFXIV is also an unmitigated mess, it just took a really bad story expansion to get people to take off their rose tinted goggles and realize how fucked up everything is. If they don't toss the golden formula and try something bold and innovative, the game is going into maintenance mode. Overall Yoship needs a counterbalance and I don't think anyone at the company has the balls to stand up to him and ask the most simple question of is this fun? He struggles with gameplay the most and FF16 does everything it can to get you back to the story, it's practically an on the rails visual novel. None of the exploration amounts to anything, because there is no real reward for exploring. All the gear you craft is replaced in the very next scene, you literally just buy a better item off the vendor, so spending an hour trying to make a weapon or belt was meaningless. That is another big issue that came out in the live letter, where yoship when referencing eureka and bozja said 'maybe we made it too rewarding,' as a response to people complaining that the rewards in OC suck. There's never been a point since 1.0 where I felt like I got too much rewards. If anything the devs post covid are greedy bastards and will just throw even more shit on the cashshop and the in game stuff is trash, outside of a nice looking raid mount occasionally.

>>713789295
Anon... it's literally all before your post. >>713788974
>>713789017
>>713789087
>>713789154

>>713789017
kek I'm so glad I skipped ff16 because the PC demo felt like ass. So much yapping and not enough interesting gameplay to keep me hooked. Might get Stellar Blade instead since the demo was actually pretty decent but haven't been able to since I've been extremely busy recently.

>>713789526
Stellar Blade is pretty fun, my only complaint is that you have to replay the whole thing three times total to get all the endings.

i mean who made ff games last 15 years? - faggots

13, 13-2, 13-3 was toriyama, who was huge faggot

15, type zero was tabata, who was hude faggot too

14 is okay, but 16 is not okay. 16 was made by ff16 guys, who are already exhausted from ff14 making.

>>713788974
Very good points actually and I agree that FF7Re is much better in terms of gameplay, that doesn’t mean it’s unenjoyable as enemy design happens to be very, very good just like FF7Re and very much unlike SoP (which was pure kusoge beyond how jack himself controls, mindflayers and nightmares come to mind as some of the worst offenders).

>Character progression is on rails which is something FFXIII
Iirc, it was so much worse in XIII. Sure, you’re absolutely right in that the first hours the combat feels very simplistic, but you actually get to experiment as you get each set of abilities while in FFXIII they literally disallowed you from creating your own paradigms to play around with until you were around Great Pulse I believe. You can also argue that at least it makes sense from a narrative standpoint in XVI as each set of abilities represents one of Clive’s greatest foes or friends and Clive beating them. What did getting new paradigms represent in terms of character growth?, absolutely nothing.

>Character levels not only don't matter at all, but the exp gain is scaled so it stalls out when you start matching enemy levels, preventing you from grinding up.
Why grind if level doesn’t matter?, anyways yesterday I fought an enemy 13 levels above me and got 2 levels just from that. I’m saying that because while it might be slower to grind against trash mobs, I feel like you can abandon grinding just by taking on these challenging targets which is where the game shines anyways.
Regarding crafting being meaningless, I really don’t think that’s much of a problem. It adds pretty much nothing to the experience, but it also takes away nothing. It’s not like the game’s gonna make you farm for any kind of rare drop.
Very good points but I feel like you have to be quite cynical if that sort of stuff is gonna make you hate the game.

>>713789382
That’s a lot of N-words and ad hominem for someone without anything of value to say. Still waiting on that argument about the actual subject, though I won’t be holding my breath.

>>713782732 (OP)
>fully gay party
>trannies loved it
>"wtf why it flopped?!"

>>713787974
You derail shits to valve and snoys most of the time so now cope, tendie.

>>713789017
>There are moments in the game where you literally watch a 45 minute cutscene, regain control, walk five steps forward, and get thrust into another 45 minute cutscene.
I get if you don’t like that but I do like highly cinematic games and I have no problem with control being taken away from me for an extended period of time. You seemed to like FF7Re tho, how could you like that one but dislike XVI for being too cinematic?, that’s the one thing that doesn’t make sense to me about your argument.

>The moviegame bloat is unreal, complete with slow forced walk and talk segments
Gamer sins time, I will, completely unprompted, slow walk everywhere whenever I get the feeling Clive would irl. If there are “forced slow walk” segments I didn’t notice because I was immersed and likely walking even slower than that.

>Sidequests are ripped straight out of FFXIV.
Yeah
>They exist just to fill time and for nothing else.
Nah. They are clearly there to paint a picture of Valishtea, the places in it and it’s people. Questing is subpar, but I do feel like it accomplishes that.

>There is no exploration. There are four giant open world areas with nothing in them
Just wanted to say that with some additions and zones, the world map would be nearly identical to XII’s, so I guess you’re right about the mmo comparisons.

I won’t be replying to your posts on the story (still playing!) but it was refreshing to see an actual opinion with arguments behind them, which is a rarity nowadays in this god-forsaken board.

I think we should kill every XIV player

>>713782732 (OP)
DELETE THIS
THIS IS NOT THE NARRATIVE WE ARE SPINNING HERE

>>713789456
I do not believe these posts where made by the same person. That to person just took other people’s posts and pretended it was his argument and so I will continue asking until I get his actual opinion without any deflections to see if it stands up to scrutiny

>>713785073
and it's gonna print money because people are fucking retarded

>>713788416
did u play it anon?

>>713791578
Literally no one but a single mentally ill likes 15 on this board

>>713789017
ADHD freaks have killed this hobby.

>>713789108
And you had to post a deleted scene that's only accessible through debug mode to make that point?

>>713790587
I literally linked you my argument in the post you're replying to. Do you have brain damage?
>>713791726
They were in fact made by the same person (me).

>>713790442
>Iirc, it was so much worse in XIII
XIII was worse in its own ways, better in some.
>You can also argue that at least it makes sense from a narrative standpoint in XVI as each set of abilities represents one of Clive’s greatest foes or friends and Clive beating them.
Narrative reasons don't make it fun to play.
>What did getting new paradigms represent in terms of character growth?, absolutely nothing.
Yeah, nothing. XIII's character growth exists only in the post-game when you're allowed to actually start customizing weapons and accessories. It does at least come eventually, even if it comes far too late.
>>713791258
>but I do like highly cinematic games and I have no problem with control being taken away from me for an extended period of time.
I honestly hate it. If it was every now and then I could stand it, but I want to play a video game.
>You seemed to like FF7Re tho, how could you like that one but dislike XVI for being too cinematic?
I like Rebirth for its gameplay, mostly. The Nibelheim segment in the beginning of the game stands out to me as one of the most vile things I've ever played through. But once you get out of Kalm you can basically play for hours at a time without a cutscene. Then when you're ready for some cutscenes, you can go move on with the story. Outside of Nibelheim though I can't remember any cinematic segments that were as egregious as Remake or FFXVI. They at least cut it up a lot with battles, or minigames like the Junon parade or the card tournament on the boat. The goofy minigames really took me back to the original FF7, I loved them.

>>713791904
>you want to play a video game? you have adhd!
Stay on netflix.

>>713789017
>There are moments in the game where you literally watch a 45 minute cutscene, regain control, walk five steps forward, and get thrust into another 45 minute cutscene
how did you niggers even play classic entries

>>713792259
Well, classic FFs don't have cutscenes that long, for one. You can beat FFIV in its entirety in half the time it takes to watch all of XVI's cutscenes.

>>713792471
>Well, classic FFs don't have cutscenes that long
Classic FFs have enormous on-rail segments where you're barely in control as well. It's just they are shorter games in general.

>>713784887
>>713784964
>>713785073
I fuarking kneel, I can't wait for the Yshtola bikini gacha banner

>>713792526
No they don't. Name some.

>>713782732 (OP)
13 killed FF. The corpse just twitched a few times since then

Guys I'm curious.
If and when SE announces FF17, what will be our arguments?
Which FF are we going to glaze as the last good FF? 14, 15 or 16?
I need to start preparing for future ragebaits

>>713783081
>>713785848
>FF6
lol

>>713792736
>robots means it's not fantasy
Things normalfags say

>>713792775
>i-it doesn't count because....it just doesn't ok???

>>713782732 (OP)
They canceled FFXV DLC for fucking Forspoken.
How high were they.

>>713783358
>12 was shit unless you could stand it.
What a stupid comment.

>>713792575
My little niggy you cannot be serious. Try booting FF9 and count the amount of times you're locked in a huge and scripted segment, from the entire intro section to Alexandria assault, the game is choke full of it. Hell try booting FF4, the game that ultimately shaped the entire series, and replay the opening, or FF6 and look at Narshe to Figaro segment without nostalgia goggles.

>>713792834
Explain to me how you think the existence of robots means something isn't fantasy, retard.

https://x.com/FF_XIV_EN/status/1938553060177109122
great "fantasy" game

>>713782732 (OP)
Nope. They failed on their own merits.

>>713782732 (OP)
I blame FFXIV more for killing Final Fantasy.

>>713792849
Exchanging shit for piss doesn't make any difference sadly.

>>713792860
>if you have an objective to head towards, you're on rails
Yeah man, when I leave Evil Forest and I can go anywhere and fight anything I want and the game doesn't even tell me where to go, that's on rails because I have to get to Dali at some point. You're so right man, it's exactly the same thing as being forced to slow walk down a hallway into a 30 minute cutscene with no other gameplay in sight. Wow, what was I thinking?

>>713792052
>They were in fact made by the same person (me).
I find it unlikely, but in that case I’m done here. Chalk it up as a win or something, maybe try not to open a discussion with ad hominem statements next time. Me, I’m going back to XVI to kill some marks, I got this amulet the other day that activates limit mode when perfect dodging and I’m enjoying clowning on these fools with it.

>>713792914
you can have both with yoSHIT-PISS

>>713792879
explain to me first how FF6 does not fit the bill if FF1 does retard

>>713792704
>Which FF are we going to glaze as the last good FF?
11, it was always 11

>>713792914
One is piss that would have sold because FF fans are as deranged as RE fanboys that deluded themselves into believing RE6 is not a mediocre action game, the other is shit nobody wanted

>>713792998
FF1 and FF6 are both fantasy, retard. Having a certain level of technology does not preclude something from being fantasy. Fucking Star Wars is fantasy.

>>713793032
star wars is fiction, science fiction, not fantasy

>>713792471
20 hours of "FUCK FUCK FUCK" dialogue and gays and tranny demon cunnilingus and NTR/cuckold imagery.

Just a fucking vile, hollyjew grimderp rape of once pure fantasy IP.

>>713792979
>I find it unlikely, but in that case I’m done here.
Concession accepted.
>maybe try not to open a discussion with ad hominem statements next time
Try not to talk like an ape on my internet.
>I got this amulet the other day that activates limit mode when perfect dodging
Yeah man, you enjoy the game pausing for three seconds every time you press dodge. Seems up your alley.

>>713793032
>>713793074
Star Wars is space opera which is a sci-fi subgenre

>>713793032
so why did you post >>713785848 then because that was the start of the conversation retard

>>713792976
>and I can go anywhere and fight anything I want
In the same sense you can go anywhere and fight anything you want in 16 lmao

>>713793074
It's literally fantasy. It's not science fiction. Science fiction does not mean "there are computers in this story". Science fiction is specifically a speculative genre about the future of technology and how the changes affect the human condition. Star Wars is a high tech fantasy story.
>>713793129
Well, that's simple. I didn't post that.

>>713782732 (OP)
FFXV is the most successful modern FF
Cope and seethe.

>>713792887
>game makes trannies believe they are normal and can fit in with other people
>somehow NOT FANTASY
holy cope

>>713792575
>>713792860
FF9?, that’s rich. Try Cecil’s ga- oh, you mentioned that already. I meant to say try Firion’s game and you’d see it was always meant to be a narrative experience first.

>>713793142
No, you literally can not and that's my point. Have you even played XVI or are you just defending it on impulse? Where am I supposed to go and what am I supposed to fight when I'm dumped out of a cutscene into a narrow canyon path on the way to Boklad, walk forward, and get another cutscene?

>>713793152
>Well, that's simple. I didn't post that.
..so you decided to jump in the middle of a conversation without the slightest idea what it was originally about? talk about being beyond retarded.

>>713793257
>No, you literally can not and that's my point
Describe the locations you can visit after exiting the evil forest and activities you can do with them. Also describe the enemies you can meet.

>>713782732 (OP)
>That's why FFXVI flopped and

>16 is a success
>16 sales are good for exclusive
>Square enix has too much expectations
>Multiplat will fix 16 sales
>16 bombed because XV was bad <- You are here

>>713793225
FFII, the game where Hilda just tells you to go somewhere and then you figure out the rest? Where you have complete freedom to walk around the map from the start? You're doing the same thing as the other retard, pretending like being given an objective means you're on rails. No, FFXIII puts you on rails. FFX puts you on rails. FFXVI puts you on rails. They actually restrict your movement and force you to walk forward between cutscenes.

>>713783358
>12 was shit unless you could stand it
That... is literally every videogame ever made. What kind of 'argumentation' is this?
>13 was a girl boss and a nigga
Of all the complaints you could have about XIII... are you ten years old?

>>713793312
>Describe the locations you can visit after exiting the evil forest
The gate where the lady on the other side sells you potions, the gate where you can find the coffee, the Ice Cavern which is an entire dungeon. After leaving Dali there's another gate you can visit for items.
>Also describe the enemies you can meet.
Mus, I think you can fight ghosts outside Evil Forest, in the Ice Cavern there are flans, those weird quadrapedal yeti things, outside Dali there are those big spiders and the smaller bug enemies, and I think there were lizards or maybe snakes, it's been a while.

What point did you think you were proving here? FFIX lets you roam. XVI does not, unless you're in one of the empty open world areas. Are you just pretending to be retarded or do you actually not understand what I'm complaining about? The majority of the game is a fucking hallway.

>>713782732 (OP)
>I blame FFXV for killing Final Fantasy
your fingers must have slipped when you were typing FFXIII

>>713784170
8 was better than 9 and 10, you contrarian cow

>>713793308
I knew exactly what it was about and I was calling you a retard.

I blame FF for killing the jrpg genre...

>>713793560
We all know it was FF15 that soured the grapes

>>713784258
I cannot imagine somebody that genuinely likes videogames being so out of touch with how videogames are made and sell

>>713782732 (OP)
>>713783081
>>713783331
Actually, its pandering to fake FF7 hype and fake FF7 fans who never even finished or played the game and continue making shitty media and spin off that killed them, also those stupid didney crossover baby shit. Then also with the X and making pointless X2 and XIII that followed the same shit. Oh also XV for sure but that's final nail to the big fat coffin with all the spinoffs.
Glad the french hurt them so bad.

>>713793607
nah, that would be ~6-7 years of the fanbase getting raped by FF13 and it's spinoffs

>>713793802
I'd replay 13 and it's sequels any day over all the lost potential and hold-attack to win that is 15

>>713793774
true-ish. i remember dirge of cerberus being the first time i ever felt kinda disgusted with what i had just played. i didn't quit until 13 though.

>>713793593
based

>>713793849
i wouldn't know. 13 was so bad that i never played another one again.

>>713793774
Expedition 33 is actually good since now they can get away with shorter games and mapamundis which save a lot of time and budget

>>713793074
Retards don't know the difference between fantasy and high fantasy

>>713793508
>The gate where the lady on the other side sells you potions, the gate where you can find the coffee
In other words, two dead ends. Which is less what you get on big FF16 locations on average.
> the Ice Cavern which is an entire dungeon
And the only actual path you can take.
>Mus, I think you can fight ghosts outside Evil Forest, in the Ice Cavern there are flans, those weird quadrapedal yeti things, outside Dali there are those big spiders and the smaller bug enemies, and I think there were lizards or maybe snakes, it's been a while.
Now describe FF16's bestiary at the same point.

>>713793874
I hate sounding like the old guy who screams at cloud but whatever, the PS1 of FF7,8,9 was the golden age because they're all self contained and perfect with no follow up and episodic shit, many games tried that and fucking failed, sin episodes, half life 2, quantum break, etc

Remember who got the boot

>>713793593
FF didn't kill the jrpg, they just showed better designs and more immersion which made even haters talk x500 times more about FF than the rest of jrpgs
Also millennials getting old and gachas raising (vns are also dying thanks to gacha)

>>713794116
>vns are also dying
what are you talking about? ff14 is still going strong

>>713794021
>In other words, two dead ends. Which is less what you get on big FF16 locations on average.
FF16 doesn't even have dead ends because it's a HALLWAY.
>And the only actual path you can take.
Again, having an objective does not mean you are on rails. You're being a retard on purpose now.
>Now describe FF16's bestiary at the same point.
After the first dungeon? Goblins, one orc, and a morbol. Which is also half the bestiary for the entire game. And before you say that doesn't count because it's not muh world map, I'll remind you that you can't go anywhere else until after the Greatwood, which is the second dungeon and would be the equivalent of the Dali cellar.

Can you tell me where you can go and what enemies you can fight when you first get into the southern end of the Rosaria map to go meet Clive's uncle? Because I can not only tell you what you can fight, I can tell you exactly how many encounters you're allowed to have. Because they're entirely on rails. You have one place to go, one narrow path, and a series of scripted fights.

>>713794025
Also the problem with games these days is they pander to the wrong crowds, the ones actually cared and played the game really truely enjoyed the mechanics and design of the game while those fake e-peen wankers or flexzoorz never really cared, they keep releasing shit for these people and alienate the OG hardcore fans because the group is ruined by fake people and fake interests, these e-peen fags then proceed to move into other hottest shit and thus abandoning they genre/series, the stupid devs have to again re-invent the wheel with more shit hoping to re-connect to those same fake idiots. Good that they're crashing and burning, seeing FF series getting fucked gives me so much pleasure almost equal to the first time playing FF7,8,9,tactics and Legends of Mana.

>>713794260
>FF16 doesn't even have dead ends because it's a HALLWAY.
FF, by your own admission, has several FF12 esque big areas. Which makes it less of a hallway than most early world map based worlds in classic entries, even if the rewards are underhwlming.
>Again, having an objective does not mean you are on rails
Oh, show me alternative progression paths.
>After the first dungeon? Goblins, one orc, and a morbol. Which is also half the bestiary for the entire game
You're acting as if previous FFs had extensive bestiaries as well, especially if we don't count blatant reskins.

>>713794413
>FF, by your own admission, has several FF12 esque big areas. Which makes it less of a hallway than most early world map based worlds in classic entries
It has four, and those "big" areas are also segmented into hallways that you have to wait for the story to unlock for you.
>Oh, show me alternative progression paths.
You're still being a retard on purpose and pretending you can't understand what I'm talking about. I don't know how much more simple I can make it for you. Having an objective you have to reach does not put you on rails. Putting you in a hallway is putting you on rails.
>You're acting as if previous FFs had extensive bestiaries as well
Yeah, they did.

Why'd you skip this?
>Can you tell me where you can go and what enemies you can fight when you first get into the southern end of the Rosaria map to go meet Clive's uncle? Because I can not only tell you what you can fight, I can tell you exactly how many encounters you're allowed to have. Because they're entirely on rails. You have one place to go, one narrow path, and a series of scripted fights.
Is it too embarrassing for you to address?

>>713782732 (OP)
This is the curse of cancelling Versus XIII. I'll never not be mad at that shit.

>>713794607
>It has four, and those "big" areas are also segmented into hallways that you have to wait for the story to unlock for you.
Oh, sounds like your typical overworld continent. What's the issue?
>Having an objective you have to reach does not put you on rails.
Not having any alternate progression options, not even actual side locations you can explore aside from a single screen, absolutely does put you on rails.
>Yeah, they did.
No, they did not.

>>713794715
You skipped it again, why is that?
>Can you tell me where you can go and what enemies you can fight when you first get into the southern end of the Rosaria map to go meet Clive's uncle? Because I can not only tell you what you can fight, I can tell you exactly how many encounters you're allowed to have. Because they're entirely on rails. You have one place to go, one narrow path, and a series of scripted fights.

I am still 100% convinced they fucked over the story by contracting out to sweet baby inc

>>713794767
Silence, animal. You're here to amuse me. Answer my own questions.

>>713782732 (OP)
The problem with XV is that everyone was hyped for it (based on Versus XIII) and had been waiting for like a decade or so? So everyone bought into it, then realized it was not a good game at all. Probably burned them out something fierce.

>>713794881
Isn't it really strange that you keep skipping that question?
>Can you tell me where you can go and what enemies you can fight when you first get into the southern end of the Rosaria map to go meet Clive's uncle? Because I can not only tell you what you can fight, I can tell you exactly how many encounters you're allowed to have. Because they're entirely on rails. You have one place to go, one narrow path, and a series of scripted fights.

>>713794930
the issue with all recent final fantasy games are the same
they are RPG games without the RPG
that's it

without RPG all they have to fall back on is story like XIV did or bad action

>33 million
>33

Life sure is funny sometimes ain't it

>FF13
>followed up by FF15
No shit the interest in the series is gone.

>>713794997
33 is a freemason number. Freemasons are homosexual satanists.

What's stopping you from playing other Jrpgs? Life is short, you already had this same conversation over and over and over

>>713794854
i'm sure SE forced them to do it and like good japs they had to listen to their superiors and double down

>>713782732 (OP)
I just want to go back to exploring caves and dungeons with random encounters, looking for op weapons and killing godlike monsters. why the fuck do all these game directors want to be movie directors?

>>713783560
the visionary genius who claimed people don't want turn based combat before getting his FF action slop outsold by persona 5, bg3 and e33

>>713795191
But we did, that's why FF is not selling. Oh wait FF is not JPRG anymore.

>>713795191
tifa's tits are too big for her frame, she looks gross

>>713795191
I'm waiting for this one.

>>713782869
I would completely forgive all the shit in XV if they actually went and made the ending/dlc they intended to instead of it being cancelled and turned into a book instead.
Far more interesting story with Luna, Aranea gets more 'screen-time' and the ending doesn't blow.

People mad at Nomura are just window lickers, its like blaming the food when your dog shits in the living room. If you cant understand where the problem actually lies then you should have probably stayed in school.

>>713795191
Jrpgfags don't play games they just obsess over ff
It's like that Simpsons episode with the tree, no jrpg will ever fill them as much as ff

>>713795216
it's not like they have a choice when literal zogbot guns are pointed at them on their own soil

>>713795724
According to the Wukong devs they said one of these consulting companies tried to extort 7 millions from them. Keep in mind japanese boomers don't know English and are too pussies so they unironically think if they don't listen to those advises their games will be rated lower and shitposted
Namco also had their own flopspoken game with an Indian woman
Capcom is basically ruining re characters designs
I wish Japanese were smarter

>>713793337
Are you retarded or just autistic?, I was joking about that other anon making my point before I could.

>>713782732 (OP)
>I blame FFXV for killing Final Fantasy IP in general.
it's been like 2 decades now since they released a decent FF entry. I'm pretty sure that has something to do with it.

>>713796062
Yeah, it's 13 (and 13-2, 13-3), the anticipation/build up for Versus 13 that got transferred to 15, and ultimately 15 being so fucking awful that gave the death blow.

>>713796194
13-2 was good

>>713796249
XIII was so bad that I have trouble believing that.

>>713796391
Not really, 13 was bad but 13-2 was a lot better

>>713795853
>so they unironically think if they don't listen to those advises their games will be rated lower and shitposted
that does happen though. its part of the extortion racket.

>>713782732 (OP)
What was actually wrong with FFXV on release? I played it for the first time last year and it was good fun. Entertaining story, good comic bizarre moments that JRPGs do well, nice sense of action, puzzle dungeons, actually enjoyable to play. Is it because the open world is just monster hunts? I mean, I can see why that would be a let down, but 10 years on and after game after game of empty open worlds, FFXV's open world compares well for what it is: a stage for monster fights and dungeon locales and nothing more.

>>713794021
>And the only actual path you can take.
Why even bother with a disingenuous retard that will try and pretend that the critical path he has to follow is some side thing in order to paint the game as being much more open than it is?, he’s only going to keep misrepresenting the facts.

>Now describe FF16's bestiary at the same point.
Not that big either. The game would really benefit with more kinds of basic enemies. That being said even the simplest enemy in 16 is infinitely more complex than most enemies in 9 on account of them being just a stat sheet. Half the reason people even like 33 is that enemies don’t feel like stat sheets and have patterns that you can learn.

>>713793607
Wrong.

>>713782732 (OP)
ffxv saved ff
that 33m loss had nothing to do with ffxv
xvi killed ff and lost 2bn in value

>>713783905
>>713782732 (OP)
xv is literally the most successful FF

>>713784258
but xvi is lower rated than xv

>>713794957
Nta, but did you also go around counting the encounters you were allowed to have in the OG God of War Trilogy?, Are you so dim-witted that you cannot fathom different games having different structures?

>>713797253
>feras alomireen

>>713782732 (OP)
13, 15 and 16 being shit didn't help
12 could have carried them over if the director wasn't a cuck and abandoned his team

>>713784258
ff7 sold 15.1m
ff8 sold 9.6m
ff9 sold 8.9m
ff10 sold 14m
ff11 sold 2.2m
ff10-2 sold 6.5m
ff12 sold 7m
ff13 sold 7.7m
ff13-2 sold 3.5m
ff13-3 sold 1.4m
ff14 arr-dt sold 1.45m
ff15 sold 10m+
ff7r sold 7m
ff16 sold 3m
ff7r-2 sold 3.5m

ff15 kept on selling long after release
ff16 stopped selling at launch

ff16 bombed because of ff14 the dev team making ff16 forgot to make a ff

>>713793802
Normies didn't even know XIII-2 and LRXIII existed. Only true fans were raped by those, if they didn't play them that is.

Can't wait for ff7 part 3, 9r and ff17

What kind of schizophrenic, bot filled garbage is this thread who exactly is reposting articles from 2018

>>713797551
Dmc2 sold well because of dmc1

>>713797647
it's barry (the real one)

>>713797647
He is some zeldapoo (the one constantly talking about some Eric) he used to shitpost re4r and P5 with the same shitpost and webms over and over

>>713797551
>ff7r-2 sold 3.5m
Isn't that 2m?

I bought XII on release and loved every moment.

I loathed everything XIII looked like ad never bought another mainline FF after 12.

It was 13 you zoomzooms. Or, you could say the seed was down with 10-2 as it felt like a draft for 13.

>>713797783
It’s amazing. Quick someone make a FF14 focused thread to see if he can do his folder dump at the same time as FF15 posting.

>>713798962
>down
sown
fuck I need coffee

>>713795853
again, it's political pressure

they can't refuse without being crucified, Plaza Accord style
westacuck journos have been on a prolonged seethe and smear campaign against the Japanese gaming industry for decades now

>>713799038
barry doesn't care as much about ff14. yeah he'll shit on it, but he's not the one making endless 14 threads folderdumping about sena
that's his acolytes (some of which are probably zodiark trancers)

>>713782732 (OP)
13 is what started this mess it's only just got varying degrees of worse since

To me, it's not dead. I still like pretty much every FF game I've played.

>16 was a blast.
>I just finished playing through 9 with the moguri mod which i highly recommend.
>Just finished FF2 Pixel remaster which wasn't nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be.
>Just re-subbed to FF11 to play some of the new content after years of not playing it.
>plan on playing through Dawtrail and the next expansion once 8.0 comes out since I haven't played since 6.0
>Just replayed 7Remake and finally finished Rebirth

The good thing is, there are so many of them. It's a good time to be an FF fan.

>>713798962
FF12 was gay and lame.
ivalice sucks.

>>713788416
it wasn't
op is lying and coping because xvi was a failure

se said xv sales exceeded expectations and was profitable day 1, and that it is the fastest selling FF ever
also the loss in op pic isn't even about xv
it was some low budget new ips and some cg stuff getting cancelled 2 years after xv released

do you know how little $33m is for game development? that's like 2 low budget nothing games and some cg

the bonus round of xv dlc that got cancelled hadn't even started development yet so that literally had no monetary loss or factor into that
it just happened to coincide with those things getting cancelled as a result of tabata leaving SE
the script writer for the bonus dlc even said he hadn't even finished writing the scripts yet when it suddenly got canned
and it only got canned because tabata chose to leave SE due to burnout in 2018
it wasn't cancelled for any other reason
it was only getting made due to fan demand to begin with and was literally a second round of dlc beyond the initial post launch roadmap that ended in 2017
the first year dlc did so well that the 2nd year bonus round got greenlit in 2018, but tabata left se a few months later so they canned them before they began actual dev and also cancelled some low budget cg and new ips in luminous to redirect focus to their AAA new ip

ff16 cost fucking $300m and didn't even make half that

>>713788468
No
xv saved ff
xvi killed ff

>>713788657
see above
xv was only in actual development for 3.5 years under tabata
it was never in full development before that

>>713788837
xvi is worse than xv in every aspect

>>713799429
Folder dumper said he doesn’t play XIV either. I was looking at the archives around 2016/2017/2018 and there was Yoshida seething back then from one guy. I think it was related to the Ninja cosplayer that he called fat, Nep.
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/439939296/#439946172
Dude has been seething and folder dumping for over 7 years now.

i see a lot of people saying making ff turn based is what will save the series but i dont think thats going to do much for it at all other than make those people shut up for two seconds, i feel like the main problem with the series now is the fact that SE doesn't know what to do with any of them anymore and keep trying to throw shit at a wall hoping it sticks,they should maybe start thinking about what people like about the series more than anything

>>713788678
then why is xv higher rated than xvi on psn and steam?

>>713799492
based video games enjoyer

>>713791850
then why is xv higher rated than xvi everywhere?

>Real Barry is back
Now that’s nostalgia. He’s actually the least inflammatory compared to the other schizos lol.

>>713793607
15 is higher rated than 13, 14 and 16 by fans
it also won more awards than all 3 of those combined
and sold more too

It sold 10 million copies.

I also enjoyed it more than Remake, Rebirth, and XVI.

>>713794028
yoshitpiss just got demoted
tabata left SE of his own choice after getting promoted

>>713794930
literally nobody has ever heard of versus
people bought xv because of what tabata showed, the actual game ffxv and constant fan communication and transparency

>thread talking about how bad ff is now someone once again devolves into some schizo acting like yoshi p is the problem despite the fact this series has been fucked long before he became a house hold name

>>713795384
the ending is in base game
the dlc that was cancelled was a non canon alternate timeline what if story
xv has the strongest ending in the franchise

>>713799642
I don't even know anymore. At this point, XIV's existence has triggered so many retards with a vendetta.

>>713796194
then why did 15 keep selling and is rated higher than 16 and 14 and 13 and even steam rates it higher than rebirth

>>713796541
nothing
it was well received
its just xivfags who mald at it because it made yoshitpiss irrelevant

>>713797402
keep crying

Such a shame, gorgeous game and amazing mechanics, could have been the FF GOAT

>>713800212
So the FF7 franchise has then FF15 franchise beat? Nice.

>mfw i like both XV and XVI

>>713800285
classic

>>713797735
FFXV came directly after ff13 trilogy and ff14 1.0
it had an uphill battle harder than any ff
it broke the franchise launch sales record and kept on selling
the ff released after xv sold 7m

ff16 flopped because its shit and looked boring from its reveal

dmc2 stopped selling
dmc3 has outsold dmc2 now

DmC sold more than dmc4
DMC5 sold more than DmC

>>713797853
it outsold 16 on steam and has higher sales in the us, uk and eu on ps5
only in japan ff16 sold 100k more than 7r2

>>713800285
Same. For critiques, FF15 should’ve scaled down the open world stuff and had varied zones like Xenoblade stuff. And not have had early misleading trailers and constant rewrites.
FF16 was really missing weapon variety or even other playable characters. In their haste to make sure it didn’t feel like anything was missing in base game, they had it too simple.

Just make FFXIV but as a single player game? How hard is that?

16 didn't need to be a souls like game.

>>713800027
yoshitpiss is the problem

only yoshitpiss ff games flop

>>713800629
fucking LMAO.
FF14 would get 3/10 scores if they tried to pass it off as a single player game.
the "but its an mmo" cope is all they got.

>>713783081
Yeah FUCK Final Fantasy IV, it was all downhill from there.

It's 13 that did it, dude. That game is such ass, and they made three of them for some absolutely insane reason.

>>713800269
Cope xivfag

the only ff SE ever apologised for being shit quality is ff14 1.0 and current ff14

>>713800798

>>713800280
XV single game has made more money than any other F
btw that doesn't count the xv mobile game money which made more money than all of SEs mmos combined

We need the Soul of FF6 back.
FF7 remake is garbage.

>>713800776
>for some absolutely insane reason
Had to get all the money they could out of the assets
Since everything was already made, the sequels were basically free money so it didn't matter how much they sold

>>713799492
>don't care having a blast
Based dogshit fan

>>713800850
meanwhile yoshitpiss actually simplied ff to where it has no gameplay

>>713800879
Every game from 4 onwards is cinematic movie garbage

3 was the last actual RPG in the series

>noctis won
>nobody wants to talk about his game
grim

S0VL

>>713783763
>that pic
This ‘photorealistic’ (nomura sameface) particle effects spam aesthetic needs to die, it’s so ugly.

>>713801159
So Nomura won...
owari da...

>>713801254
then why is everyone talking about his game? this channel has the most views for a full ff16 clive moveset which was uploaded when ff16 came out
the same guy uploaded ff15 combat moveset videos a year later and those 15 moveset vids all BTFO the ff16 ones in viewd, likes and comments

>>713801304
>This ‘photorealistic’ (nomura sameface)
Holy retard
1) That pic is from 16, which Nomura had nothing to do with
2) Nomura doesn't even do realism, he does anime

>>713801376
>then why is everyone talking about his game?
people are making fun of it, barry

>>713801254
Then why does videos talking about xv or showcasing its gameplay always get more views and engagement in 2024/2025 than any ff16 videos or discourse?

>>713801376
>then why is everyone talking about his game?
where?
there is a cult following for ff7 talking about it every day
there's a cult following for mgs doing the same thing
for mario, for zelda, for evangelion, for dragon ball,
but the only time anyone talks about ff15 is in these threads when you start posting about how hard noctis won and someone reminds you that 15 was wet catshit

>>713801316
Thanks to Tabata

FFXV is the MGSV of FF

>>713800393
What could've been bros...

>>713801456
Then why are they all praising it, why does it have more likes than xvi vids by the same guy? why is xv higher rated on steam and psn than xvi?

FFXV and XVI both have one-button combat where you can beat the game without actually thinking

I'm gonna assume FFXVII is too far down the pipe to be influenced by Clair Obscur, but I wonder if Square-Enix will cave and make XVIII turn-based

>>713801560
LMAO

>>713801549
See >>713801376
See >>713801496


On tiktok the noctis tag has like 10x the engagement than the clive tag

>>713785330
you cant add 4 niggas cutscenes to your pachinko game and call it an rpg.

>>713801560
Sorry to tell you, but Tabata is dead. He hung himself during autoeroticasphyxiation in a hotel room recently

Meanwhile, Nomura is bringing Noctis back

>>713801571
so LVDOKIN0

also S0VL

FF needs its Soul back....
the Soul of Thamasa

>>713801598
Looks inferior to what we got
versus had no hitstop and looked floaty
xv is snappy, faster and has hitstop and proper hitstun

>>713801717
those are youtube videos, not discussions
people here don't wanna talk about 15
people nowhere wanna talk about 15
the only time it's talked about is when you force people to talk about it (and then everyone shits on it)
that's why you keep doing this shit. in a vain attempt to force discussion for it, because organic discussion for it doesn't exist, but it never works because people still don't wanna talk about it, and when you make them, all they do is laugh at how shit it is

>>713800285
>tfw hate both
>but hate XVI so much I can't even ironically shill it over XV to piss barry off
uniquely tragic state of affairs

FFXV has to be one of the most bizarre and confusing media entities in any entrainment genre ever made, it goes beyond just production issues and that alongside the fact that it took so long to make is among the major reasons the franchise died and never recovered after Lightning put it on life support with her games.
To experience the full content of XV you need to:
>Play the game
>Play the DLC, all of it.
>Play the Comrades multiplayer
>Play that spin off staring Nocti's dad
>Play the mobile games
>Watch the CG movie
>Watch the OVA
>Read the LN, and any interviews about the other canceled LN.
>Read about the canceled DLC
You have to consume all the above and maybe even some other stuff that I can't remember in order to get the full story of XV.
There's no reason at all as to why a videogame has so much content spread out into so much other stuff.

>>713801598
I’m still mad about the E3 trailer with a completely different Leviathan setpiece.
Really what’s happened with these franchises lately is that they have to make the games bigger and bigger and bigger, and now releases are longer and expectations are higher. Look at how Zelda game releases are.

>>713782732 (OP)
I hated the first trailer for Versus. With Sasuke walking down the stairs and killing those knights with his flying weapons. Was cringe. FF sucks ass. It had an amazing run in the 90s, but like everything else in the world, it went to shit.

>>713801694
if nomura is so good why did ff7r not outsell ff15 let alone ff13?

>>713801745
kh is dead
Yozora will never be noctis anymore than that reynatis fake noctis written by nojima wasn't noctis either
The noctis we have is the true noctis which shimomura and his JP VA confirmed

also yozora looks ugly and not like noctis
he looks like gay riku

>>713801951
Tabata removed then entire playable invasion chapter and sold it separately as a movie

>>713783358
Zodiac age was great, Lightning killed FF.

>>713802073
>why did ff7r not outsell ff15
Because 15 killed people's trust in the whole thing.

>>713802076
Don’t @ me unless you’re replying to what I’m talking about. Spare me your unrelated ramblings.

>>713801951
Is it too much to ask to live on Windfall Island forever?

>>713802183
Do something about it

>>713801865
The comment sections are discussions
they discuss the game
the comments are praising the game
the video has more engagement and likes than xvi

keep crying
nobody ever talks about xvi
only about the company's circumstances as to why xvi killed ff
you're such a disinterested cunt you can't even admit when you're wrong

>>713802076
A dogshit movie at that.

>>713802221
you are here whatabouting 15 all the time because nobody wants to talk about it. it has 0 natural traction so you're trying to force it
cry about it

>>713782732 (OP)

It started with XII though. I guess it´s one of those "You had to be there" kind of things. Fans were just not ready for SE to fuck up. X-2 (at the time believed to be a fluke in a sequel nobody really cared for) and the movie (which also nobody cared for) aside the company (Squaresoft) had an excellent track record. Enix itself was not half bad either.

Nobody could have predicted the merger would take two pieces of gold and turn them to coal (it´s not even copper at this point). They were two titans, two beasts, by right all their games together should have been Star Ocean and Valkyrie profile tier.

In any case the internal reorganization fucked up XII development and it´s all been downhill from there. The amazing part is that even when you think they can´t sink any lower they still manage to subvert that expectation. It´s so weird.

>>713802159
Vanilla XII > LowIQBabby Age

But people were not ready for it.

>>713793074
Nothing scientific about Star Wars, it’s pure fantasy.

>>713801951
It's absolutely insane how long it takes to make a stupid video game now. And they aren't even good

Is Barry even here anymore
Any man would have killed themselves after being the single person cheering for Forspoken and getting shit on so thoroughly

>>713801947
no you just need the game called FFXV
anything else is extra

to understand FF7 you need
FF7
FF7 international to get Zacks death scene
watch FF7 advent children cg movie to get cloud and denzel and tifa and sephiroth story
play ff tactics to see cloud in it
play Kingdom hearts to see cloud in ot
play Kingdom Hearts 2 to see cloud in it
play ff7 crisis core to get zack story
watch ff7 last order ova to get zack story
play ff7 before crisis on Japanese mobile phones to get shinra and avalanche story
play ff7 dirge of cerberus to get Vincent and yuffie story
play ff7 dirge of cerberus lost mission to get Vincent story
watch ff7 advent children complete to get even more of denzel and clouds story
read ff7 on the way to a smile to get tifa, shinra, barret, nanaki, yuffie, the lifestream, aerith and denzel story
read ff7 the kids are alright to get leslie and kyrie story
watch ff7 episode denzel
play ff7 snowboarding
play ff7 gbike
watch the ff7 ps3 tech demo
watch the ff7r 2015 reveal trailer
watch the ff7r 2015 cc2 gameplay trailer
play ff7r
play ff7r intermission to get yuffie story
play ff7 first soldier
read interviews about it and gbike being cancelled
play ff7 ever crisis to get sephiroths backstory that's not in any other game
play ff7 rebirth
play ff7r 3

that is all required to get ff7s full story

>>713802859
you forgot to mention the Dissidia games

>>713802678
>>713802859
yeah this is the original FFXV-kun who sperged out in every thread about the game back in 2016, unless he's a 10/10 imitator
thanks for the nostalgia wave by the way

https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/629283052/
This is still very funny

>>713801951
that leviathan trailer segments was cgi not actual gameplay
the final game plays better anyway

>>713802076
every single eveny in that prolog is still in the game identically
final game is better

>>713802240
the movie is better than versus was a game

>>713802178
then why did 15 keep selling and is still outpaced ff7r literally to this day? why is ff15 higher rated than ff7 rebirth on steam?

>>713802287
keep crying because xv saved ff after xiv killed it only for xvi to kill it again

>>713802678
ff16 flopped harder than forspoken and the forspoken director literally just got promoted to head of SEs entire engine development division

ooof

>>713803604
They are all bad games but 15 is the only one that is literally unfinished, nice cancelled dlc

>>713803116
I really don't understand why Barry decided to commit ritual suicide on Foreskin hill.

ffxv is also the highest selling FF on steam btw
xv won

XVI flopped because
>PS5 exclusive
>more cutscenes than gameplay
>gameplay is very shallow repetitive
>story is abysmal
>no secret dungeons, bosses, everything FF is generally known for
VA was the only good thing about it

>>713782732 (OP)
XV could have been great if they had actually followed through with everything planned for it
>modding support
>custom missions you could make and share with other players
>dark souls-like multiplayer where you'd summon other players to do missions/monsters with you

>>713803982
It also felt like it wanted to be seen as a serious drama as opposed to a kind of whimsical adventure. There is barely any levity in the game at all and I feel like this probably alienated a lot of old fans.

>>713803849
15 is the only one that is finished and has a definite ending

ff7r dlc was cancelled and unfinished literally a tbc
ff16 dlc was cancelled and unfinished with no ending
ff14 dlc was cancelled and unfinished literally tbc
ff13 dlc was cancelled and unfinished has 0 content
ff12 sequel was cancelled and it is unfinished
ff10 unfinished and has bo content
ff9 unfinished
ff8 unfinished which kitase and Sakaguchi even say in the ff8 ultimania
ff7 unfinished literally no ending
etc

meanwhile for xv only a NON CANON ALTERNATE TIMELINE bonus round of extra dlc was cancelled
all canon dlc released and it had a finished ending at launch

cry more
xv mogs every ff

>>713803875
Why did ff16 flop so much worse than Forspoken?
evem dawntrail is received worse by fans than forspoken was on steam

>>713804094
>nothing on V

The silence speaks VOLUMES

>>713802678
this is actual barry (or at least someone closely impersonating him)
you can tell the difference between him and the anti-14 spergs
he's also considerably less ow the edge about it than his fanboys

>come back an hour later
>barry still talking to himself

>>713804187
1-6 dont count as AAA FF

>>713804282
why

ATTENTION! IT HAS BEEN OFFICIALLY DECLARED THAT WE LIKE FF14, 15 AND 16

IF YOU DON’T YOU’RE SOME GUY NAMED BARRY

>>713804271
barry won btw

>>713804180
forshitten has less than half of XVI's total user reviews and released on PC day one

>>713804321
because ff didn't become AAA until 7

>>713804339
se stock recovered because of dq3hd profits in the most recent fiscal quarter and a Singaporean investment firm just bought 10% of SE stock which raised valuation with shareholders

>>713804339
mooning harder than my crapto invesments

>>713801667

someone respond to me dammit

>>713783358
>11 and 12 killed the IP for me
>I didn't play this entire franchise for 20 years so my opinion matters
K faggot
12 is good and 13 albeit its issues still fun. If you want 13 with its issues fixed just play 13-2

>>713802859
>no you just need the game called FFXV
anything else is extra.
False, the episodic DLC cover what happened to each of the squad during the course of the game, Ardyn episode showed his entire backstory as well as the backstory of the Lucius family and the relationship of the Kingdom and the Empire, it also showed what happened with Ifrit.
Movie is basically the invasion that should've been in the game.
Comrades shows what has been happening to the setting after Noctis went and took his beauty sleep.
Spin Off provided information and background about the King Dad.
And the Novels literally give you the actual ending of the story and reveal that everything is the fault of Bahamut.

>>713804339
God the dooming a couple months ago was so annoying. “STOCK DROPPED 1% ITS OVER”

>>713801667
>FF should go from one button combat to one button combat because

>>713804339
barry likes 15 tho macchi
get your shitposting lore straight

>>713804180
Both are shit but Foreskin bombed so hard it killed the studio responsible.

>>713804472
Forspoken cost less than ff16
Forspoken sold better in relation to its budget than ff16 did to its budget

ff16 cost $300m
it only sold 3m so only made $147m

Forspoken cost $100m which includes the % sony paid for which was 30%,
it sold over 1 million since it was ranked higher than octopath 2 on npd which had sold 1 million
it only mended to make $55m to profit ajd it did

SE only said forspoken sales were lacklustre

SE outright said FF16 underperformed and led to a loss

The Fiscal quarter FF16 released in also performed worse than the fiscal quarter forspoken released in

>foreskin
KEK

>>713802859
A lot of the stuff there has nothing to do with understanding FF7 or the plot surrounding it.
Tell me what will seeing Cloud and Sephiroth in Kingdom Hearts or Tactics ever make me understand something about the story of FF7?

>>713804486
se stock health has very little to do with video games and more affected by their manga and real estate holdings

>>713804630
they are literally side stories
ardyn story is bonus stuff most of it was known already
sephiroths backstory is literally not in ff7
movie is clouds story
before crisis matters more than comrades
crisis core offers more for zack than a kings tale WHICH IS A MADE UP BED TIME STORY
the ff7 novels all SEVEN off them are the CANON ff7 story
xv novel is a non canon alternate timeline that has nothing to do with the main game at all

>>713783119
>I don't get the obsession of having their mainline games be a huge spectacle
A lot of developers have self sabotaging motives like this for some reason. Like they can only make a hit game ONLY if they have over a million people working on it along with the absolute best visuals possible. Massive budget costs are self inflicted and then they bitch about cost of production.

>>713804727
>sourceless headcanon to defend a $100M flop

>>713804715
The head of forspoken literally just got promoted to head of SE's new Engine Development Division you retard

ff16 flopped and yoshitpiss was demoted and ff16 team disbanded

>>713804727
I think FF16 made less griss, physical releases are sold at half of retail price so depends of proportion of physical to digital sales

>>713804997
raped

>>713804870
all of it is core to ff7
none of that outside stuff is relevant to Noctis's journey as king

tell me what regis telling a made up bedtime story to a 8 year old noctis of him fighting ultros has to do with noctis becoming king?

>>713805130
you got raped and gaped

>>713804886
their digital entertainment sector is yheir bread and butter

FFXV has some kino music

>>713804870
Important subtext on the duality between them and KH2 conflict canonically takes place post Advent Children.

>>713804969
xvi is a $300m flop

>>713805106
xv is higher rated than xvi and 7 rebirth

>>713804997
post foreskin reviews lmoa

>>713783119
The series died after X.

It is amazing they did so well with the voice acting on their first attempt. Same to Metal Gear.

Both nailed Voice Acting while the rest of the industry struggled. Then both fail in the modern era.

>>713805268
foreskin cope

>>713805159
then why is 15 higher rated than ff16 and rebirth on steam?

>>713782732 (OP)
FFXV wouldn't have existed, and instead released as the KINO FF Versus XIII it was supposed to be, if it wasn't for FFXIII and FFXIV 1.0 fucking up the entire company.

>>713805343
why is your asshole leaking right now

because you got raped and gaped

>>713805286
forspoken is higher rated than ff14 dawntrail on steam
yoshitpisses latest game

>>713805290
>voice acting
We play in Japanese, so why is this relevant to us?

>>713805362
Trvth Nvke

>>713805268
>President literally just admitted cs3 is working on even more projects
>meanwhile luminous is dead and forskin director is doing nothing
must have been a really bad flop huh?

>>713805434
lol foreskin

>>713805316
forspoken director Aramaki promoted
yoshitpiss demoted

>>713805419
why is ff15 higher rated than ff16 and 7 rebirth on steam?

This is the last good thing SE released the past 17 years. When the company finally goes bankrupt and gets bought by Sony or MS, this game is what I will remember them for.
It's unironically the last time in a very long while where I could feel the passion that a SE dev put into a game. The game isn't even a masterpiece or anything, it's literally just simplified baby level tactics simulator far below stuff like Ogres or WotL and yet it's story was so creative and so well done that I really couldn't help but love it.
And the crazy thing is this game's story has no fantasy in it, there's literally no fantastical creatures other than like giant birds or stuff like that and magic is non existent pretty much in the game other than in gameplay elements, alchemy and early gun barrel technology takes precedence over traditional fantasy elements.
And the entire conflict is based around the most grounded thing imaginable, like literally salt.
I just wish the names was better.

>>713805556
raped, gaped and foreskinned

>>713805458
xv is better

>>713783358
XI was pretty spectacular for a pre-WoW mmo on dial-up PS2, it's still the best one ever in my eyes

>>713805656
it's no foreskin that's for sure

>>713805656
xv will never be good enough

>>713805486
we already knew they were on other projects
like Fantasian which flopped
and are outsource partner on Fantasian 2
yoshitpiss was still demoted

Aramaki did an interview with Microsoft a few months ago and reconfirmed SE is still using luminous engine for upcoming AAA games and he is literally head of the entire ENGINE DEVELOPMENT DIVISION are you dumb?

>>713805656
XV is dead
Versus is risen

>>713805535
at least it has one

>>713805643
then why did 16 flop and die

>>713805656
TRVTH NVKE

>>713782732 (OP)
>square enix suits want everything to be this over developed mess that sells GTA numbers
>get mad when it doesnt

y'all remember tabata? I wonder what he's up to after his latest failure

>>713805742
its already objectively the best ff

>>713805787
versus was cancelled 3 times

the xv dlc that got cancelled had Noctis's dlc open with a 1:1 recreation of the 2006 versus 13 trailer but in game, even down to the niflheim soldiers looking like how they did in their early placeholder design in 2006

>>713804942
Side stories which took place in the main games story, where you don't know what happened there unless you play the DLC. Same with Ardyn episode. And while the novel is styled as an alternate timeline thing to make sure it doesn't discount the main games story, some of the story elements there are canon to the plot of the base game. Bahamut motives are revealed only there, you cannot get them from the game even though you can tell there's more going on to the story of the gods in the base game.

The point isn't which matters most between the extra content or FF7 or XV, what matters is that you can't experience the story of either of them without diving into so much other stuff.

>>713800040
>XV has the strongest ending in the franchise

>>713805952
This is his new AAA IP
it's called project JEWEL atm amd is a FF style console RPG
its about a human who falls in love with a god, has djinns and mythical beasts and is about sorcery vs magic

What's the point of a Final fantasy without sakaguchi, amano and uetmatsu?

>>713806150
When's it due to come flop?

>>713806008
This also sounds like the Omen trailer. Would’ve been a cool gameplay concept, solo of just going through random environments like a dream, taking down enemies. Even points where your powers are sealed away.

>>713806150
>top left
Holy fvcking sovless.

>>713782732 (OP)
They need to remake Threads of Fate and give us a sequel when the Remake sells 10 million.

>>713806150
>Flopspoken 2
>but what if this time WHITE GIRL??

>>713806150
should've just made Type-0 2 with better combat

>>713806113
They are parallel self contained side stories that have no bearing on anything
ff7 media is the ff7 story
ardyn only got a dlc due to fan demand
his backstory is known from base game already
Bahamut is not evil in main game
dotf is a what if
its mot canon
Bahamut literally dies in main game when noctis does
all the astrals do

sephiroths backstory is in a mobile game that has the tagline of WE STILL DONT KNOW SEPHIROTH

>>713806219
That’s a fun roguelike idea. Take too long and you lose buffs and abilities.

>>713806145
It objectively does

>>713806175
Having an actual good game

>>713806412
Come on now it's got nothing on FF16

>>713783081
It was incredibly common in fantasy slop of the time Final Fantasy started to mix in science fiction elements, be it literal aliens, an ancient race with impossible technology, etc...

>>713805130
Cloud making a cameo appreance and Sephiroth being a hidden Easter egg boss in KH have nothing to do with 7's story. By that logic you also need to play every gacha Cloud has appread in to understand 7, or collect every sticker or TCG card that shows him in a new pose or catchphrase.
It's stupid to compare an entire side game based on the main game you released, with a cameo appearance in another completely unrelated game. By that logic I need to play Astrobot since Clouds sword appears there and it's a crucial detail to understanding FF7's story.

>>713806206
It will outsell ff16 when it releases in 2027

>>713806223
that has more S0VL than ff16 ever has

>>713806249
the mc is the blue robed guy you retard

>>713806565
even blander very nice

>>713806327
it's being made by FF veterens and a ninja gaiden 2 combat designer

>>713806469
16 has the worst most nothing ending in the franchise

>>713806448
yeah, but It wouldn't be final fantasy.

>>713806412
i prefer 8, 9 and 10's endings. but i did like 15's ending.
the problem with 15 is just the overall game being a mess story and gameplay wise.

>>713806535
you do by your own logic

>>713806614
enough about clive

>>713782732 (OP)
What killed the FF IP was a decade of Lightning. They are now just harvesting that crop.
The brand has always been associated with nostalgia first and foremost, but now people who grew up with the classic games (up to 12) are older and phasing out, the new audience has no nostalgia for the brand (rightfully) because for them their formative game was fucking 13 and it's spinoffs which sucked. A bunch of mid new games wont help either.

>>713806150
I do hope this actually comes out and bombs so we can laugh at it.

>>713806565
Nigga that's a girl

>>713783358
Same. I got into the series with X. I love it soo much that while waiting for XI to release, I went back and played 7 and 8. But when XI was announced as an MMO I immediately didn't give a fuck. So, now I have to wait another few years for XII. The gameplay was fine (although turn based is better), but it turned out to be a major disappointment. The issues were with the story, characters, and the terrible Japanese writing - many such cases.

The vast majority of FF fans came to the series prior to 8. These people are now in their late teens early 20s. Why would SE think that we want to play a game about yet another 16 y/o boy, who looks like a queer, and has no major connections to the plot? I think that the domestic Japanese audience can only connect to characters if they are effeminate Swedish teenage boys.

>>713807074
Dude those fans you mentioned coming into at FF8 are at least in their 30s. FF8 came out in 1999. I was 9 then.

>>713805446
There are most definitely bad Japanese Voice Actors. You don't need to be fluent to hear a bad performance

>>713783358
>11 was way too soon for a PS2 MMO even if it was great.
No actually it was the perfect time. 2004 right when the internet was starting to take off and social media wasn't around. People weren't glued to their SmartPhones either. I pity the people who weren't around for the MMO golden age

>>713782732 (OP)

My guy, XIV successfully outlasted it's own natural lifespan for the past 3 years now until very recently. Its kind of a miracle that game carried Square-Enix on it's back for so long up until now.

XIII was what damaged the brand. An incoherent moronic story, unlikable obnoxious characters, a near-constant hallway of walking forward for 40 hours, terrible structure and pacing removing party members and adding them, locking character leveling to chapters, terrible enemy variety and game play design that just got tedious after twenty minutes. ... And they thought making two more sequels for it was a smart decision to make. (it wasn't, the sequels sales halved the original's sales BOTH TIMES)

I understand that the Japanese RPG audience is on life support, migrating to Nintendo and gacha shit. I'm guessing that Mr. CEO cannot find a way to be successful without pandering to the West, hence their attempt with a nigress character in Forspoken and the gay shit in FF XVI and FF VII remake. I fear for DQ12.

>>713782732 (OP)
Don't care! FUCK Squeenix!

>>713806150

Looks like an archetypical China/Korean game.

Before this thread reaches its end, I just wanna say.
Stranger Of Paradise is the best Final Fantasy title to date.

>>713783358
>and 12 killed the IP for me
best FF

>>713807985
>a near-constant hallway of walking forward for 40 hours,
It's weird because FF16 is exactly the same? Literally a corridor simulator. The 'open world' parts are just big maps but there's only one way to go. FF13 was better than 16 at least because you could change your party, change your paradigm, change your equipment, change your job role (magic/physical dps, tank etc).

>>713804339
>Stock price spammer
We have a brand new schizo poster

>>713807267
>These people are now in their late teens early 20s.
oh sorry, I should have said, "at the time of FF12's release we were 18-22". I didn't mean today. If you were playing FF6 back in the day, then you're likely 45.

>>713782732 (OP)
Xiv tranny general thread

>>713809530
Aye. That’s the thing now that releases take so long, a new game has a different generational focus. It’s insane.

>>713804339
zoom out

>>713810035
DELETE THIS NOW!

>>713810035
That looks good for Square.

>>713782732 (OP)
>here a $60 game bro
>oh by the way you need to buy 6 DLCs to know what happens in some sections of the game, they are $5 each
>if you want to know why all of that happened just watch the movie, tickets sold separately
>you want to know more about protagonist and his companions? just watch the anime
>we also planned to release 4 more DLCs but in the end we canceled them lol
>make sure to play 2 different gachas we have themes around XV
>want to know the real ending of the story? buy the novel
what the fuck were they thinking?

>>713810767
Square Soft had a good stock price until their broke up because they earned it through good games.
Square Enix has a good stock price because they're milking their merchandise and MMO divisions. They haven't produced a memorable game in years, arguably ever.

>>713807985
The first blow was x-2. But 12 also was a hit. Its loved by some autist but its an objectively bad and unfinished game.
12 was the first FF that came out that nobody I knew finished. We all quit at about 30-40 hs. I only finished recently and its obvious the game had severe issues during development.
The series was already dying by the time time 13 came out and then it was a decade of lightning. FF hasn't been relevant in a very long time, nobody cares about it.

Final Fantasy has been a mismanaged mess since Sakaguchi left
>FFX-2 the first game that genuinely did not feel like it deserved the Final Fantasy branding, among my circle it felt like a "sell out" game
>FFXII gave the project to Matsuno who previously had only worked with small teams he micromanaged, ended up with a burn out and the final project has that half baked feeling to it
>FFXIII bizarre choices such as removing towns, shops and npc interactions, the end result being a game that ends up feeling exhausting. Make a 10-15 hour tutorial section for a game that has a battle system that only works with a full party. The result being people either dropping the game from boredom or a good amount of people never learning how to properly play the game. Genius work there Square-Enix
>FFXIV the entire game had to nuked and reworked enough said
>FFXV development started in 2006, genuinely looked promising. Don't know the full details but development hell, had to jump onboard the open world meme fad, end product half baked as fucked.
>FFXVI the first game in the series that seems to ashamed of the fact that it supposed to a Final Fantasy game, marketed as some kind of dark fantasy political thriller and does fuck all with it and reverts to standard fare jrpg shit. Drops rpg elements to the point where the game barely even qualifies as a a-rpg, would be improved with even the most basic bitch rpg elements such as elemental damage, status effects etc

The only reason Final Fantasy has remained relevant is the legendary status of the old games and the fact that Square-Enix has not really been challenged in the real of high production value RPGs. Most of the potential competitors either didn't have the budgets or dropped out such as KONAMI, CAPCOM etc.

>>713808878
>tranny filename
You never learn do you

>>713812139
>would be improved with even the most basic bitch rpg elements such as elemental damage, status effects etc
I really couldn't believe when the morbol casts Bad Breath on you at the beginning, it just damages you and doesn't inflict status effects. Similar shit happened in XIV where the devs have removed 99% of CC or status effects.

Yoshida just hates anything that even slightly challenges you. He thinks gamers are drooling retards. Meanwhile, Expedition 33 is actually pretty difficult at times and sold far better than FF16

>>713799492
Uhm, you're supposed to shit and piss your pants, while making seething threads all day every day. You can't just not do that

>>713812418
>4chan filename
>Tranny filename
Kek

you guys are overeracting.
XIII was the first true fail for FF. a game with 15 hour tutorial is borderline broken.
FF Versus/XV was the second true fail. A truly poorly made game.

But both these directors and studios ultimately got axed. Lightining returns was a death sentence for Toriyama and Forspoken was the death sentence of Studio Luminous. Other than that Stranger of Paradise and World Of FF are minor missteps.

In the greater scheme of things, XIV is viewed very favorably, XVI likewise. And even though no one wanted a trilogy, VII remake project is doing well. Along with Tactices getting a remaster I think Square is slowly, albeit very; learning.

>>713813235
As much as I liked to laugh at Forspoken and FFXV, I still would rather see Square-Enix make games with that game engine than Unreal Engine shit.

>>713813235
noooo it's bad flop dead slop

>>713812590
>sold far better than FF16
They're even in sales though

>>713812590
>Similar shit happened in XIV where the devs have removed 99% of CC or status effects.
Why is it the only people talking about how bad FF games are now, are retards who have never played the games they are shitposting about?

>>713813430
That's probably the craziest shit.
That a remake of the most popular FF and a new mainline entry sold about the same.

>>713814070
There's nothing crazy about it
>FF7 mania ended around 2009-2010ish
>mainline FF has been a mismanaged mess
>A good chunk of the fanbase moved on with their lives-

>>713813574
>every other FF morbal bad breath gives you like 5 negative status effects
>ff16 doesn't do it
Hell even ff13 did it lmao. just shut up retard

>>713814681
you're calling him a retard when you literally didn't read what he greentexted
durr

>>713814806
I did play XIV since HW though. not anymore cause its garbage. SB was the peak of the game.

FF13 was shit and their first real failure that they never recovered from
FF15 was shit and and was in dev hell for years.
FF16 was fucking mid and weak as fuck. Its not any sort of "comeback" like it should've been.