Thread 713794476

>150 base special attack
>140 base special defence
>calm mind
>substitute
>drizzle
>water spout boosted by stab + rain
>100% thunder accuracy
what the fuck were they thinking?

>>713794476 (OP)
Sorry wrong board, I meant to post this on >>>/vp/

>tera water lightning rod pikachu with focus sash and endeavour
what now you big stinky fish

>>713795248
You aren't getting away that easily fucker

>>713794476 (OP)
>rillaboom grassy glide prio on terrain before you can sub
>water spout is now a water tickle since you already went for the sub anyways

ur move kid

>>713794476 (OP)
Sun teams with Groudon were better so it's fine, plus Latios was whooping his ass real bad.

>>713794476 (OP)
I had 6x Kyogres with Modest nature. Was undefeated in battles and secret bases.

>>713795497
Latios really is the goat.

>>713794476 (OP)
Best boy, I don't like using Legendaries but Kyogre is too much fun.

>>713794476 (OP)
>165 special attack
>150 speed
>ability makes it stronger every time it kills something
>one of the best attacking types in ghost
>nasty plot
>120 power ghost move with no drawbacks
>psyshock to rape blissey
>can run bug/fairy coverage to kill dark types
>amazing synergy with dynamax/tera
How did they greenlight this?

>>713794476 (OP)
Nice water spout, faggot

>>713795674
Retarded nugen mon, not canon, the only way to make them appealing is with powercreep since the design is utter dogshit

>>713795674
It was made when it had to compete in a meta with gigantamax pokemon without being one. Now that the mechanic is Tera which is much more technical, it's just a bundle of powercreep.

>>713797212
The horse looks great and could have been in gen 1. The rider is stupid though.

>>713794476 (OP)
They wanted to make Groudon and Kyogre based and they succeeded. That's why Groudon and Kyogre STILL see play all these years later meanwhile jobbers like M*wtwo and L*gia completely fell off. Ho-oh would have fallen off too if they didn't give it one of the most broken abilities ever. And we don't talk about Dialga and Palkia

>>713797212
>>713800574
It's literally the opposite, calyrex could have been a gen 1 pokemon.

>>713794476 (OP)
>were they thinking
that legendaries should be stronk.

>>713794476 (OP)
>>substitute
>>water spout
retardGOD

>>713794476 (OP)
>Substitute
>Water Spout
RetardGOD

>>713795674
There's no way that's a real pokemon

>>713794476 (OP)
>>>/vp/

>>713794476 (OP)
>what the fuck were they thinking?
this will sell our game

>>713794476 (OP)
>>713794476 (OP)
>restriced box legendary

>>713806785
I'm so sorry

>>713801049
Ho-oh is also blessed by being given CHARIZAAAAARD typing, so almost every time GameFreak buffs their special boy (steel types, fairy resist, HDB), Ho-oh gets buffed too.

>>713806785
That's right because its two real Pokemon

>>713794476 (OP)
>>substitute
+
>>water spout

>>713794476 (OP)
That Whale is a Killer

>>713808931
So is asskicker and he's a based GADchad. What's this thing's excuse?

>>713795674
>a subseed calyrex shadow got 8th place at the recent NAIC event with over 1000 players

>>713794476 (OP)
They were probably think
>who cares about balance its a legendary lol

>>713794476 (OP)
Why substitute if yore using water spout?

>>713794476 (OP)
>Gastrodon used Destiny Bond!

>>713811629
This thing is an absolute beast for playthroughs

>>713811795
Cause one correct guess and you are now immune to status effects trying to stop you.

>finally, a buff to Mismagius after like 20 years
>135 speed 135 special attack?
>locked to uber tier
RIP

I want to curb stomp Aromatisse and several other fairies

>>713794476 (OP)
They were thinking the bar was too low

>>713811982
>Just smacks your forehead because your defense is weaker, you're kind of slow and you now use substitute, weakening your water spout even further

>>713812715
little rude don't you think?

>>713794476 (OP)
I just realized that none of this matters because blissey exists.

>>713813103
Not rude enough. I'd spare Azu though.

>>713795360
That's a lot of effort and oppottunity cost to mimic a fraction of their power.

>>713813191
i kneel

How do I into endgame pokemon in s/v? I never bothered to do competitive stuff but I get my ass wiped in 6 star tera raids. What are some easy buildable mons to go for to start out?-

>>713813191
Adapted for 2025 mons.

>>713794476 (OP)
>140 base special defence
Always tickled me a bit that this is a trait they both share.

>>713813191
Fuark... Monsieur Gastrodon is so strong...

>>713813570
Chi-Yu and Ogerpon will carry you. Get Protean Meowscarada.

>>713813191
Gen 3-5 designs were so fucking good. We had no idea what we had until we lost it. Gen 1 was mostly dogshit once you take off nostalgia glasses and Gen 2 was more like Gen 1.5. Gen 6-9 has SOME good designs but too many of them are dogwater, same as Gen 1.

>>713813570
Iron hands, Azumarill (belly drum builds) and Tera Stellar Arceus (Acid spray+Judgement+taunt+recover) can beat almost everything in the game

What the fuck are you smoking? Gen 2, 4, and 5 designs sucked dick.

>>713795674
dont forget neutralizing gas doesnt work on him

>>713811896
Depends on the game. Running the lil guy in Emerald really opened my eyes to how many damn things get dark type coverage.

>>713816557
The fucker is close to overpowered in emerald. He can get baton pass there iirc. You just scout with protect then get the switch advantage on every single thing.

I honestly believe Sinnoh has the most dogshit new Pokemon designs of any region.
Literally just the most unappealing shit you could think of, the starters are good and a handful of them are salvageable, but unfortunately those latter ones are probably the most pain in the ass mons to get while all the ugly shitters infest the game's common routes and dungeons.

>>713795674
two pokemons stuck ontop of eachother
counts as 1

>>713816845
But Lopunny is sexy tho

>>713794476 (OP)
You have to be a giga autist to even think of pokemon in these terms.
>muh drizzle and calm mind and water spout
YOUR POKEMON IS TRYING TO LEARN A NON-DAMAGE DEALING MOVE
FORGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET FUCK THAT SHIT

>>713816845
Will never not be funny to me how everything after Weavile in this picture was originally national dex only.
>you CANNOT use any of the new cross gen evos which are also some of the only good new Pokemon we put into the game
>but Ambipom is fine you can have that one

>>713816845
>Based
Turtwig and Piplup, but their mid-evos are garbage.
Magnezone
Drapion
Gabite (better than Garchomp)

>Good
Roserade
Pachirisu
Weavile
Togekiss
Gliscor
Dialga
Giratina
Mismagius
Gastrodon

>Servicable
Yanmega
Rotom
Drifblim line
Croagunk
Porygon-Z
probably a few others

Sinnoh has a lot of good designs, and maybe is the last gen with a healthy ratio of good vs bad designs. But the truly bad designs are some of the worst, things like munchlax and the other babies, magmortar, luxio, wormadam, infernape line, a lot of terrible mons.

>>713816845
It's the first one with that had a horrible ratio of nice/ugly designs. Also the start of the series downfall for me even if they hadn't completely fucked it yet.

>>713795674
persona is leaking

>>713816845
Starters are ok, Gay emo bird, Beaver is ok, Gay mustache bug, Big head cat (saved by final form), Gay evo, Fossils, Bugs, Pikachu clone, Otter are ok, Gay fruit, Slug is ok, Gay evo, Meh Ballon, Gay bunny (positive), Cool evo, Cool evo, Fat gay cat, Pre-evo is ok, Sknk is ok, Gay Bell, Whatever pre-evos, Cool parrot, Gay tomb, Cool shark thing, then everything is gay except: Hippo, Frog, Yanmega, Eeevees, Froslass

>>713795401
What's this shitty lore of the two supposedly being rivals on eye level when one of the two actually BTFOs the other based on type?
Why didn't they make Groudon naturally learn a couple electric moves?

>>713816845
I'd agree on a lot of these but
>shitting on Gliscor
What is wrong with you.

>>713794476 (OP)
And it still can't hold a feather to a pelican.

>>713818213
The Groudon and Kyogre matchup in game is actually doable, as long as Groudon is slower so it gets the weather advantage because the sun neutralizes the water weakness. Kyogre usually wins anyway if it has Ice Beam though.
The funny thing is Groudon has had Solar Beam and Thunder/Bolt/Punch since gen 3, but nobody uses them because they're running off its mediocre 100 Special Attack stat.

>>713816845
This kinda got me when I was planning out a team for my Diamond playthrough.
God damn the Pokemon selection is so bad.
Not even just the new guys but the old ones they decided to bring back, it's nearly impossible to make a cool team.

>>713819648
Platinum kind of fixed it. D/P were very rushed, some of the glitchier games in the franchise with glacial menuing speed, and the dex was filled with shitmons and redundant waters.

>>713814280
idiot

>>713816845
>goated starters
>best regional bird
>luxray
>gallade
>garchomp
>gliscor
>mamoswine
>rotom
>hm god
>lopunny
>toxicroak
>gastrodon
>togekiss
>yanmega
>electivire
Nah, you have shit taste
>get while all the ugly shitters infest the game's common routes and dungeons.
You haven't actually played the game you stupid faggot. The "ugly" designs are some of the evolutions and legends, which aren't on any routes lmao.

>>713817267
Water Spout has 150 BP anon it's as strong as Hyper Beam.

>>713816845
i like the funny weasel

>>713820841
>>and legends
>Darkrai
>Heatran
>Giratina (both forms)
>Cresselia
>Shaymin (base form)
>Regi-fucking-gigas
>picrel
Blasphemy

>>713820841
From the thumbnail it looked like someone edited an Osama bin Laden beard on her.

>>713821954
it's really just the penis heads and the lake trio
darkrai and giratina are the coolest legends ever

>>713818213
Ask *sh's Greninja why it loses to Charizard's Blast Burn.

>>713794476 (OP)
lol not my problem

compfags are the gayest niggas around i swear

>>713823368
I love them. They always seem to discover things that are overpowered when I thought so when I was 10.
Pokemon has some stupid RNG elements to it and they have been trying their best to make a competitive game out of it for years, it's fun to watch.

>>713814280
nah, gen 4 had an unhealthy obsession with PURPLE and DARK BLUE

>>713824184
and thats a good thing

>>713817267
based 9 year old me

>>713816845
>niggas hating on Torterra and Porygon Z in 2011+14

>>713794476 (OP)
Woops
You're not wrong honestly.
But at least he has a proper check in his regulation set

This ugly piece of SHIT is one of the most broken Pokemon ever made, and basically, you're fucking stupid

>>713816845
>infernape lvl 84
>staraptor 71
>gyarados 43 w surf and waterfall
>Palkia 49
>bidoof 4 with ALL the neutral HMs AND rock smash
>a fucking egg
Oh yeah, it's elite 4 time

>>713794476 (OP)
I play ranked every season
1000+hours in Violet
Ghost Calyrex is the most broken Mon available for ranked and it's not even close.
The whale in OP, Groudon, all I can manage somehow (though the whale is broken af) >>713795674 this fucking thing here? requires attention regardless of comp, stats alone are enough to cry foul but his stupid fucking ability that let's him steamroll for free with zero drawback is the final straw

>>713798831
Tera is the superior format I hope they stick with it

My nasty plot porygon Z could solo all y'alls teams fr

>>713824184
>PURPLE and DARK BLUE
Gee i fucking wonder why

>>713825180
my leadoff mienshao would have him out by turn 2

>>713825285
my bullet punch red beetle guy rapes it

>>713794476 (OP)
Shedinja's bitch. Oh sure, you can waste a move slot for Ancient Power but all the other Ubers will make fun of you for being a schizo

216 SpA Mewtwo-Mega-Y Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Cosmoem on a critical hit: 154-182 (67.8 - 80.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>>713820841
the ugly designs are the babies and Chatot and Bidoof which are absolutely pervasive throughout the whole game.
That is of course assuming you're not running into Zubats and Geodudes everywhere.
Couldn't be my GOAT Hoenn with tons of variety and an amazing mon selection.

>>713825650
Chatot would be terrible if PMD didn't exist, but it's almost impossible to not associate him with that game now
Bidoof was haha le funny mon even before PMD but it's nice he also got a role in EoS

>>713825479
>Kyogre used Ruination!

I just think he's neat.

>>713825479
Everyone else is running ancient power ice tho

>>713819648
Unironically why not play Platinum? You’ll lose out on Honchkrow
>adds great move tutors before the postgame
>60 mons added to the dex that aren’t shitmon like Carnivine and generic Kanto watemons, but actual viable stuff like Houndoom, Togekiss, Gliscor, Ralts, Eeveelutions, etc
>fixed some of the game’s slowness
>can farm a lucky egg off of Chansey using Conpund Eyes Yanma and Thief. it’ll take an hour, but makes grinding faster

>>713825650
>>713825736
Chatot is one of the best designs by far, of all time to be clear

>>713826072
Okay Wigglytuff

>>713794476 (OP)
yes, however you can surf and dive on him in ORAS.

>>713825650
>the ugly designs are the babies and Chatot and Bidoof
Yeah you didn't play the game, faggot. Chatot is found on 2 routes, half the babies are from the Trophy Garden lol. There's nothing wrong with Bidoof either
>Hoenn
there's 8 good pokemon, the rest are dual typed water types you'll overlap with and SFMA shitmons with horrible movesets.

>>713825342
Scizor is pound for pound one of the most consistent attackers
Give him flying tera and dual wingbeat

>>713813570
Raids need specific builds if you want to solo anything. In general there's the following you can make:
>Belly Drum users can do base game stuff (Azumarill and Iron Hands) but they're constantly outclassed in the more recent Mightiest Marks because they've been getting tons of things countering them.
>Miraidon with Metal Sound, Electro Drift, and Parabolic Charge.
>Koraidon with Collision Course, Drain Punch, Breaking Swipe, and Swords Dance.
>Metronome Annihilape spamming Rage Fist/Drain Punch.
>Shell Bell Ceruledge spamming Bitter Blade and Swords Dance with Reflect and Clear Smog as backup.
>Shell Bell Skeledirge literally just spamming Torch Song the entire fight.
>Gholdengo spamming Make It Rain or Flash Cannon with Nasty Plot and Light Screen.
>Blissey spamming Calm Mind over and over mixed with Soft-Boiled until she's at 6 and then spams Stored Power.
>Slowbro doing the same thing but with Iron Defense/Nasty Plot and Slack Off.
>Orthworm doing an Iron Defense/Body Press build, this is very niche.
>Drednaw using Swords Dance, Iron Defense, and Protect along with Crunch. Also very niche.
>Eelektross using Gastro Acid, Eerie Impulse, and Acid Spray. Very niche.
>Avalugg spamming Chilling Water and Curse mixed with Recover before going Tera Ice to spam Avalanche.
>Walking Wake was useful for one Tera Raid but hasn't been useful since.

Pretty much everything uses a Shell Bell as it's mandatory for the sustain. It used to be that you could take advantage of the NPCs for Intimidate but so much ignores that or resets it immediately nowadays so you mainly just want either Arboliva (Grassy Terrain) or Gardevoir (Life Dew) on your team. If you have the DLC then you get a few more characters to help solo primarily in Sinistcha, Kommo-o, and Terrapagos along with the Stellar Tera type which is sometimes useful but DLC is pretty much unnecessary all the time, it just makes some of the newer raids a bit easier or faster.

Hey bro, put me on team again. I still got it. It will be just like back then.

It's funny how Ho-oh hasn't been mentioned yet when this is one of the most blatantly broken mons period

>>713826808
sure thing bro, here you are, the lucky 6th, I'm totally not going to field you just to revive someone else in the roster when I need them most, no siree!

>>713826021
You simply do not understand my autism with playing the original release of a video game.
I WILL play a game with only 150 Pokemon where 6 of them are Water/Ground types for some reason just like Masuda intended, without the benefit of hindsight from everyone on planet earth telling him that's an awful idea.

>>713826695
Oh, and no matter what any online builds say your nature does not matter at all. I have done the last 15 or so Mightiest Marks solo without even changing my nature whatsoever with some Pokemon even having -ATK or -SPA despite being ATK or SPA attackers. It changes next to nothing outside of in the long run saving you maybe one since attack and it's always consistent to any online strategies even without the 10% buff in the stat.

The only thing that matters is your Tera type, your moves, your EVs, and your IVs, and even on the raids from a year or so back your Tera type didn't really even need to be the proper one. Mewtwo was the only one that ever required an insanely specific build with Mew to actually survive.

>>713816845
only the starters and early route mons besides luxray and torterra are dogshit, rest is goated

>>713825830
not sure if ESL or retard

>>713825830
>Everyone else is running ancient power ice tho

>>713827056
Regenerator is busted.
Man, I wish Lugia got a good ability.

>>713829065
multiscale is an insanely OP ability as well

>>713829710
Lunala's ability powercrept it.

>>713831040
I thought it worked exactly the sa-
>Unlike Multiscale, this Ability cannot be ignored by moves or Abilities.
Well shit. To be fair though, I think Lunala being better than Lugia in every other aspect (typing, moveset, stats) is more of a contributing factor to its success than the ability

>>713818213
Something something Behemoth and Leviathan.

>>713831417
I wonder if Lugia would still be good if his 130 Def was in Sp Atk.

>>713827056
>150 Sp. Def
>Regenerator
>Recover and Roost
>has an instant burn button so it also can be a physical wall
>introduced an item that covers its only glaring weakness
>Lugia is supposed to be the defensive one

>>713816845
I love this little butterball like you wouldn't believe

>>713817445
>>713816845
>>713820841
I FUCKING hate Drapion. The thing looks so retarded. I hate how its arms come from its face, it looks like a purple party horn. Looking at that thing was the first time I thought "wow Pokemon designs are getting worse", how dare that accordion looking motherfucker erode my childhood excitement?! Luxray has also always looked really ugly to me. The patches of what I asume is short blue fur actually look like it's balding, it looks like it has a disease. Not helped by the fact it looks fucking anemic, the thing just looks like a cancer patient lion, I hate it. Regarding both Drapion and Luxray: trying to make something cool and menacing but fall flat in your face is way worse than straight up making a goofy-looking design from the start.

Other than that, a lack of cool bugs (minus Yanmega), the retarded ammount of chuuni legendaries and some questionable pre gen evos, the Sinnoh pokedex is okay. Maybe overhated. Most of the things I mentioned barely get in the way anyways.

>>713834274
shut your fucking whore mouth

>>713820841
>best regional bird
that would be talonflame

>>713817267
>anime faggot posts inane drivel
a tale as old as time

>>713794476 (OP)
QUICK
post your favorite mon

>>713834537
No. Drapion looks like fucking SHIT. Anal beads-ass looking pile of garbage. Fuck that ugly nigger fake bug and fuck you.

>>713834274
i feel the same way
fuck drapion
skorupi is fine but, drapion's design makes no sense. The perspective on its mouthparts is so bizarre. They gave it a normal mouth with recognizable teeth, and then slapped on the little scoopers that arachnids have, but they're convex pieces of paper instead of anything that would make sense design-wise or function-wise. The combination of edged and rounded segments looks terrible together, too. They should have just picked one style and made it uniform all the way down.

>>713834274
>The patches of what I asume is short blue fur actually look like it's balding
Those looks like sexy stockings to me

>>713834778
Love this nigga. Shame that typing is ass.

>>713834861
Yes thank you, it's just like a mismash of parts that don't come together in a satisfying way, the thing looks ready to topple over at any second and the way its chelicera are dead right next to itrs arm joints make me so mad. Scorpions are so cool and I fucking hate this is the one Scorpion pokemon we've gotten. Ugly. Piece. Of. Shit!!!

>skorupi is fine
Yeah Skorupi's a cute little guy, I don't mind him that much. Wears the strange "arms from head" quirk way better than its evo but I wish the had gotten rid of it with him.

>Signature move is broken because of Smeargle
>Change it in gen 7 so that only Darkrai can use it in order to nerf Smeargle
>But also change it so that it has the same accuracy as Hypnosis, making it virtually useless
Why.

>>713813570
Belly Drum + a drain move (drain punch)
Iron hands with this combo crushes almost every raid

>>713816845
>unappealing shit
?

>>713818213
>rectify it in ORAS
>remove the form in gen 8

>>713835507
>held up solely by lucario being the entry level degenerate furfag pokemon

>>713834778
Herabros FOR LIFE

>>713818213
As that other anon said, Groudon did and could learn Solarbeam/Thunder.
Also when Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire came out it would murder Kyogre by just turning off all water moves, and it was slow enough to have that happen every time.

Just finished a playthrough and this was my team. Ditched the starter asap for my new best bro para/flinch lock serene grace dudunsparce.
All these guys were pretty great and had their moments too though.
Rate n hate

>>713835556
>held up solely by lucario
removing lucario only puts it below gen3, then if you remove gardevoir, gen 3 drops too.

>>713835556
Lucario was unironically my entry to the furfagfandom

>>713835556
>forgetting lopunny, glaceon, and weavile
Gen 4 was the furfag generation

>>713835992
sovfvl worldbuilding

>>713835160
Wish it could be a pure steel like its mega.

>>713835437
Thanks for taking the hit for me NERD.
The Smeargle Tax is bullshit.

>>713836203
I'd be fine with steel/ground too desu

>>713836316
>is the primary reason everyone hates baton pass and smogon refuses to allow it in singles
>why spore has to be so limited with a million counter measures now
>why dark void needed to be gutted
>why entrapment moves need to be handled incredibly carefully
>going into a smeargle is playing the coinflip game of is he going to be a hazard setter or is he going to be a sweeper/passer set
How many mons have to die for this faggot's sins

>>713834778
I will not choose just one, several categories have multiple runner ups, this was tough

>>713813191
always hated this dumb slug
fuck gen 4

>>713836408
What about steel/dragon

>>713834778
I HEARD YOU LIKE

>>713836721
Man, Corviknight is such a badass design. It looks so out of place next to all the other garbage from the modern gens.

>>713837201
The shiny is awesome too as well as being thematically fitting, easily my favorite 3 stage regional bird

>>713794476 (OP)
He's simply too good. Choice scarf + full HP water spout + rain + STAB is enough to sweep most teams once they have chip.
He also has ice beam + thunder for boltbeam coverage
Pretty sure the only times where Kyogre wasn't top 3 best Pokemon was when Primal Groudon was a thing (like 1.5 generations).

>>713836721
Inspired me to make one myself

>>713836564
Not enough clearly.
It needs at least 1 sacrifice every generation now.

>>713837659
Based ghost choice, love duskull. For better or worse it's also the coolest design of it's evolutionary line imo, dusclops looks straight up retarded, and while better, noir is still a step down

Old man don't judge

>>713837848
Not that I love any of the two but I actually prefer Dusclops to Dusknoir. I really really fucking hate Dusknoir, it's way too busy and confusing of a design and I really hate when something evolves and either loses its limbs or they become shorter. I count it among my least fav Gen 4 evos. Sorry to disagree lmao. But at least we can agree that Duskull is the coolest one of the line, it's one of my favorite designs in the series, it's so perfect. My runner up for ghost would have be Chandelure.

>>713838206
Scyther is so fucking cool.

come at me

>>713838974
Honestly pretty good. But why fuckin Spinda?
I can respect liking a shitmon like parasect since hes the og sporemon but whats spinda even have other than spots?

>>713838974
Well, I don't dislike any so good job.

>>713838974
Trying too hard to be unique/10

>>713839175
cute and I like the confusion theme he has going on

>>713838974
>Psyduck
Get the fuck out of 4chan, Masuda-san.

Nah seriously. Raichu>Pikachu is a fact. Beedrill and Parasect are great underdogs with neat designs. Shiftry is a cool tengu-inspired Pokemon. Could be worse.

>>713839243
nta, which one set off that alarm for you? Parasect? Altaria?

>>713839482
I remember Parasect being badass in the anime

>>713839332
I wish Krookodile didn't have pathetic noodle arms. I wouldn't say it ruins its design for me, but damn I wish they were a little beefier, or stout, not just those stick insect-like limbs, he could be so much cooler. Meh.

>>713839667
I like Parasect because he is the goat pokemon for catching wild mons. Spore + False swipe is just such cruise control

>>713838294
The eye on dusclops just makes it look goofy to me, but I get you. Ghost type consistently has some of the best designs in the series

>>713839747
Major improvement. Evo ruins it with the cartoonish head.

>>713816930
Problem?

>>713838974
>all these quirkymons
>couldnt pick a fairy
Not even trying.

>>713840018
wtf is fairy

>>713826072
Go back to harvesting perfect apples, Chatot.
>>713834778
This bitch, easily.

>>713840130
Clefable's egg group became its own type 13 years ago anon.

>>713839547
There's an excessive number of "oddball" picks carefully curated to be "cool", it's not any one of them individually it's the combination and lack of box legends

>>713840130
Hello, based department?

>>713840348
>lack of box legends
Who the fuck favorites a box legend?

>>713840018
I bet you many people on this thread are too old to have any attachment to Fairies, and/or too jaded to count the retconned Normals as so. I only have attachment to a single fairy Pokemon. Ribombee best early bug.

>>713840661
Do you really have an automated aversion to fairy's? If I like a pokemon's design, I like it's design, what the fuck does the type matter

There's plenty of "non girly" fairy types too if that's what's doing it to you

>>713840549
Yeah exactly.
>Ummm I can't like that Pokemon's design sorry it's too strong xD

>>713834778
cinccino my beloved

>>713818213
Groudon is just that scrappy. Gotta be when the world is mostly water.

>>713840549
the only legend I'd put there is Groudon instead of Rhydon, they practically look the same anyway

>>713840816
Me? I like Rimbombee dude lmao doesn't get much girlier than that, I never said that. What I meant was I bet many people haven't even played the games with fairies on them, specially if they're uninvolved with competitive. So it's more of an oldhead thing.

>>713840816
A lot of the fun of Pokemon comes from catching and raising your favorites in the wild so I understand why box legendaries haven't been in any of these diagrams. It's an auto nuke poised for success that comes way too late for you to develop a true bond with, unless you really, really like a design it almost feels like a copout answer when there's so many options.

>>713840863
If a pokemon makes the game too easy by being op I will count that against them when deciding how much I like it. Aesthetics isnt the only thing that counts.
Most of the legendarys are horribly over designed to look at anyway. Moltres/Articuno/Zapdos are the best looking ones anyway and that was almost 30 years ago

>>713841232 (Me)
whoops second part of my quote meant for >>713840863

>>713841232
Agreed, I don't think not having a box legendary as your favorite is indicative of anything for the exact reasons you stated

>>713794476 (OP)
I mean it makes sense lore-wise, he needs to stand out amongst all the other water legendaries

>>713813191
Fuck I still love these designs. It might not be the best water/ground mon, but it's still fun to use.

>>713816845
It's a really mixed bag. There's some great designs in there, but then you have Probopass, Lickilicky, Ambipom fucking face, etc. There's plenty of mons I've never used because of it.

>>713816845
what pisses me off the most is how the new evos/babies of old mons miss the concept of the originals, it's so fucking jarring
roselia turns into antonio banderas, rhyperior goes orange, they all just feel off ina continuity sense. I don't dislike the designs themselves though

Which non-Gen 1/2 pokemon feel, visually, the most similar to gen 1 mons?

>>713816845
you're probably a fat tranny that thinks gen 7 has good designs

>>713842107
Shedinja.
It has that unsettling badassery ghosts in early gens had but lost in later gens.

>>713842049
Honchkrow, Tangrowth, Togekiss are ok by me.
I don't hate Electivire either, but Buzz is iconic.

>>713821546
Too bad once it gets hit it loses all that damage, and off of a paltry 90 base speed, it's guaranteed to get hit before it gets the chance to use it. Unless it's scarf which is a meme set.

>>713842049
This is why I've never liked Gliscor and I feel like a crazy person because everyone else loves him. I don't hate him but it's a wildly different design made by a different guy almost a decade later, a lot of the charm of the original is evaporated and it's got that hit or miss segmental thinking to its designs, which makes it look even more like a toy than the original. It's just a little jarring.

>>713842217
Not him but Golisopod is awesome

>>713794476 (OP)
my first time playing sapphire i fucked up my team but i caught this nigga at like level 70 (?).

all i remember was he swept the entire elite 4 by himself with a few PP recovery items

absolute freak broken pokemon

>>713842485
its time to stop being a fat faggot dyke and accept gliscor is cooler than your gay shitmon and golisopoop

Since we're posting.

>>713842801
Holy fucking based

>>713842806
Why's Gallade look like a mech? And what the fuck is that thing in fire?

>>713842801
>gen 4 cross gen evo
>being better than literally anything
lol no

>>713842806
50% are Hoennmons
the other 50% look like gross quirky AI generated shit

>>713842801
All i see here is stallfaggot bias

>>713843072
He got roboticized by Dr. Robotnik and the beautiful creature in fire is none other than Scovillain, back from the hospital after getting jumped by a ton of dolphins.

>wanted to make trainer card for shits and giggles
>pokecharms is kill

>>713843104
sorry its the truth tranny just 1 of them beats both the coolest mon from 7 and 8 lmao

>>713814280
i'm actually not the biggest fan of a lot of gen 3's pokemon, there's some i really like (lunatone/solrock, altaria, tropius, ect) but i feel a lot have some random pattern somewhere just to show they can work with more palettes and an advanced handheld.

>>713843403
Cross gen evos were the biggest mistake Pokemon ever made. Instead of buffing older mons they make them completely useless and give them ugly evos nobody wanted. Sneasel and Gligar were perfect, they didn't need ugly evos where it just gets bigger and edgier. Rhyperior was especially awful.

>>713843636
>Cross gen evos were the biggest mistake Pokemon ever made
BLOCKS YOUR PATH

>>713843636
no the biggest mistake was making the horrible johto dex they're still trying to fix 30 years later just so the shit gen2 pokemon wouldn't overshadow kanto lol

>>713842371
I love Murkrow and Honchkrow, shame they're like in NO games

>>713843705
>turns its drill into a baby rattle
no

>>713843705
>>713843796
So then give them better stats and abilities don't ruin them with shitty evos nobody wanted. Same with megas, just buff the old mons don't shit all over them and force inferior products on people.

>>713836564
If Dark Void were nerfed because of Smeargle, then making it Darkrai-exclusive would have been enough.
No, they nerfed the accuracy for a different gameplay mechanic where its accuracy would be a major problem: Battle Royale.

80% accuracy in a Battle Royale would have given Darkrai a roughly 51% chance to disable all three opposing Pokemon while simultaneously getting rid of Sturdy and Focus Sash.
There was NEVER an official statement from TPC stating why Dark Void's accuracy was nerfed. Doing it because of Smeargle doesn't make sense, because, after making it Darkrai exclusive, it was no longer a VGC threat/problem.
I swear, ONE PokeTuber makes a crazy reach that makes zero sense, and now all of you are regurgitating the exact same garbage.

>>713842801
Gliscor's stupid eyes and his retarded-looking vest torso that no one knows how to draw ruin his design for me. Really looks like it belongs with the other two ugly shitters no one likes. These Gen 4 evos were like a taste to how embarrasing looking pokemon designs would get in the future.

>>713844253
>>713844113
cope aid-ridden samefag; hes better than gaygar and so is every other replacement for those stinky gen2 pokemon

>>713835550
Galar was a complete and utter mistake

>>713843562
she should be dark/steel

i like pikamon

>>713844580
See I can believe this is somebody's real (good) taste

>>713844335
Take a chill pill sperg, Gliscor looks retarded I don't care what he awakened in you as a kid, go pound sand.

>>713844751
I can't even believe half of those are actual pokeymans

>>713844820
me and gliscor are going to run a train on your obese latinx mother, tranny

>>713794476 (OP)
For me it's Deoxys.

>>713845018
You and your comfort character aren't gonna be doing much of anything except spazzing out on the internet like you're doing now. Sit down retard.

>>713812776
those beasts are pretty good

>>713844113
Hey Megas were fun, I'd definitely take them over postgen evos. The fact mons like Beedrill and Pinsir got their time in the spotlight blows my mind to this day, was fun while it lasted.

>>713845510
Megas are coming back "soon" in ZA and Champions.

>>713825759
Literally the very first Pokemon ever desgined. Based taste

>>713834778
Vaporeon

>>713843705
Is this the laziest pokemon design? It's gotta be up there with Dugtrio and Magneton except it's lamer.

>>713825017
Lil zoomie, the pokemon in the OP has been decimating uber tiers since you were still a baby, and did it for 3.5 gens long.

>>713845175
>>>comfort character
thats what the fat tranny(You) crying over his gay shitmon being improved has

>>713839930
It's all in the proportions. Compare him to the previous, I always thought he looked much slicker. Krookodile is far from a bad or ugly mon but I think it's a huge missed opportunity to not have done something more to Kook's design. They kind of made him a little fatter and puffed up his face, so his arms look even tinier by comparison. They really should have changed a couple more things.

Ghost eeveelution when

Gligar is a bad visual design because he has 430 bst. Gliscor was a visual and design improvement on gligar because it has 515 bst in gen 4. Gliscor is a bad visual design now and desperately needs an upgrade with 600 bst. Gamefreak needs to let me use my favorite pokemon.

>>713846448
i thought this thing was weak until it started quiver dancing

gligar good because my mom buyed me a plush after my sex reassignment surgery. its my comfort character

>>713846370
>"n-no you!!"
Like I'm the one foaming at the mouth and white knighting a stupid looking cartoon character for 12 year olds just because some jackoff on the internet said he prefers older designs. Go to bed kid.

>Gligar and Gliscor are both good
Neither of you fags actually plays the game.

>>713795248
ironically this thread would have died within 12 posts on /vp/

>>713846856
>>713846928
So proud of you, xister. I hope your neovagina looks like gligar's mouth for heckin epicness and comfy

>>713842806
Nice picks. Didn't make my list but I'm also a Sharpedo and Scorvillain enjoyer

>>713842806
>sharpedo
hell yeah

>>713847059
Only /vp/ threads that are active are either which pokemon they would fuck or which underage girl from the anime they would fuck, that board should just be wiped of this site tbqh.

>>713847179
Herabros rise up

>>713847189
>which underage girl from the anime they would fuck
those threads seem pretty popular over here too for me its rosa

>>713794476 (OP)
Kyogre is one of the least diverse Ubers Pokemon. It only either runs a Choice Scarf set or a Calm Mind set. Groudon at least has a tad bit more diversity since it gets sneaky pebbles and WoW, Spikes, Roar, Swords Dance, Solar Beam, and some other generic damaging moves like EQ.

I think Kyogre is one of the most boring Ubers, gameplay-wise, alongside Dialga and Palkia.

>>713795401
>>713794476 (OP)
God Gen III had such SOUL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XU5HA85pbg

>>713847352
He's so cool. It's such a shame what the remake did to him.

>>713847189
i don't mind the may threads but i usually only se shiny hunting threads or /wfg/ now that they got merged.
>>713847352
gen 3 art is so soulful, oras made brendan look like a fucking sperg.

>>713846752
Shame they removed Hidden Power, it really helped her with coverage.

>>713811629
Shedinja is such a fun Pokemon in Gens 3 - 6 Ubers because most teams don't have the ability to hurt it. You just need Rapid Spin support and it just sits on Kyogre, Xerneas, Dialga, Mewtwo, Deoxys, and several Arceus forms (especially Water, Ground, Steel, and Fairy).

Gens 7+ added a lot more Fire/Ghost/Dark type threats that annihilate Shedinja. On the other hand, Heavy Duty Boots would get rid of its primary weakness.

>>713816845
I couldn't agree more. It drives me crazy how these get a pass but a bunch of brainwashed normalfags constantly shit on the Gen 5 designs despite ALL of them being a huge step up from these. Sinnoh is where people actually do have rose tinted glasses for this series, it was a huge step down from the previous games in pretty much every way. Gen 5 was a brilliant return to form, but then the series shit the bed forever for some reason. It sucjs because Pokemon was once something legitimately special, but if you try to discuss what was actually good about it, there's tons of pushback from people trying to lump you in with the "Pokemon was never good" crowd, Sinnoh fags who are ass backwards in terms of the qualities of Gen 4 vs Gen 5, and even some who think Gen 3 was death of the series because Gen 2 was the height of synchronicity between the games, and anime.

>>713847275
We've had some great bugs since but he's still my favorite

>>713847891
i dont understand why everyone hates the gen 5 ice cream cone.... i love that delicious little vanillanigga...

>>713847969
maybe its because of its good ability in the hail that doubles its speed or evasion and it hits really hard

>>713847619
>brendan look like a fucking sperg
Dying your hair white will always look fucking spergy.

>>713847891
Enjoy your entire region being a straight line (in the form of a circle) you drooling retard.

>>713847969
objectmon... BAD! except not because unova's ice types are probably some of the better ones even if they fall into the general bulky ice archetype.
>>713848115
he was a cool sperg though, now he just looks like shit and having more noticeable hair makes his silly hat look like shit

>>713847891
>designs despite ALL of them being a huge step up from these
LOOOOOOOL
the ugliest design from gen 4 is a fucking starter in gen 5. nigga pls, bw2 are good, but bw1 and the pokemon themselves are ass

>>713847891
I like Black and White and Unova a lot, but I would not go that far. A lot of Gen 5 designs continue a couple ugly trends Gen 4 started, in some cases things get much worse, and I don't mean the ones people always rag on like the trashbag and the ice cream cone, it's more about stuff looking rounder and cartoonier in a dorkier way, strange limb placement or proportions, lots of design sins that continue to this day got reaffirmed. In reality both Sinnoh and Unova have pretty mixed dexes, even if I would give Unova an edge because for better or worse, created a shit ton Pokemon to do its own thing. Even if it dropped the ball with water types.

>>713794476 (OP)
>kyogure was ground instead of fire
>b-BUT THE LORE SAYS...
Don't care.

>>713847619
Fuck the hat revisionism, he was absolutely grey haired originally. And it ducking make sense for both the male and female trainers to have headbands in the game that introduced (and emphasized) fucking underwater DIVING.

>>713848608
>you mean GROUNDon? He shouldnt be GROUND type??

>>713848608
...kyogre is water....

>>713848491
>here's your polar bear pokemon bro

>>713816845
Eh, Sinnoh is bad but not the worst. IMO

1 > 3 > (power gap) > 9 > 2 > 5 > 4 > (power gap) > 6 > 8 > 7

Judging purely off the designs, by the way. I love a lot of Gen 4 Pokemon competitively. Heatran, Garchomp, Hippowdon, Froslass, Abomasnow, Magnezone, Mamoswine, Toxicroak, Lucario, Empoleon, and Rhyperior are all a huge boon to the meta. But then again, Gen 4 also introduced the Rotom appliances, Bronzong, Skymin, Togekiss, and Tangrowth...

>>713848786
The fuck happened to his head and limbs

>>713844226
>>713846448
Based

>>713834778
If you forced me to choose only one, I'd have to go with Crobat sheerly because of how much I've used it, but it's hard for me to choose from my top 15.

>>713816845
There's only about a dozen bad designs there.

>>713848919
Competency crisis.

>>713846752
She's still incredibly weak. Grass is the most resisted type in the game -- tied with Bug -- and Lilligant only gets Grass type attacks. You can run any Fire, Poison, Flying, Bug, Grass, or Steel type and completely ignore its damage.

>>713817480
>It's the first one with that had a horrible ratio of nice/ugly designs.
No, that was 3. You 3tards are delusional beyond belief.

It's difficult when you realize a lot of your favorites are bunched around the same 3-4 types and there are some types you really don't care that much about.

>>713848690
And it ducking make sense for both the male and female trainers to have headbands in the game that introduced (and emphasized) fucking underwater DIVING.
i will never not see brendan without white hair or may without her hat, they should've just had a clothing shop like XY so you could have the RS or Emerald outfits.

>>713847179
Is this bait? You don't have to work that hard for (You)'s dude

>>713848786
Lol
>>713848919
Maybe I'm wrong, but I remember one of the monster designers for Gen 5 said in an interview he disliked having to remake an entire reboot pokedex so shit like Beartic was quickly made

>>713848786
Yeah notice how extremely simple the shape is, when even Ursaring was basically a rectangle. DS Pokemon is where the designs gradually lost what little grit they used to have, and it's really pronounced with Gen 5. Some of the designs still work, and this kid friendlier style did produce some cool looking mons, but something definitely changed during Gens 4-5.

>>713849513
>he considers that reasonable taste bait
Never go on /vp/.

>>713849670
Yeah, I looked at it again and I said that way too quick, there's only one or two eyebrow raises

>>713849569
That's not X/Y
>Introduced the Fairy (Tranny) type
>Introduced generational battle gimmicks
>Introduced the atrocious 3D models that GF has been reusing for 12 years with few changes
>First gen to introduce fewer than 100 Pokemon
>First gen to replace the EXP Share with the EXP All
>First gen to introduce Affection
>Removed the post-game
>Removed the challenge

Alright, /v/, what Pokemon are you choosing?

>>713849941
Wasn't XY also the peak of KANTOOOO pandering?

eh eh big fish goes *splash*

>>713850037
10 pichus

>>713849941
I just assumed X/Y would get a third version to add content from the barren ass base game and maybe change some gym fights to be harder ala Emerald and Platinum. Then ORAS came and I knew it was over

>>713850173
And then the blatantly unfinished parts of Sun and Moon stayed unfinished forever.

>>713839970
non legs
who cares

>>713850037
why is chikorita so low, the thing's basically a fleshlight

>>713850095
Most of the mega evolutions were for Kanto Pokemon.

>Gen 1 Pokemon with megas in X/Y
Venusaur
Charizard
Charizard again
Blastoise
Alakazam
Gengar
Kangaskhan
Pinsir
Gyarados
Aerodactyl
Mewtwo
Mewtwo again

>Gen 2 Pokemon with megas in X/Y
Ampharos
Scizor
Heracross
Houndoom
Tyranitar

>Gen 3 Pokemon with megas in X/Y
Blaziken
Gardevoir
Mawile
Aggron
Manectric
Banette
Absol

>Gen 4 Pokemon with megas in X/Y
Garchomp
Lucario
Abomasnow

>Gen 5 Pokemon with megas in X/Y
_____

They also hand you a free Kanto starter with a free mega stone as well. Oh, and Mewtwo and the legendary birds are the only non Xerneas/Yveltal/Zygarde legendaries you can catch in game.

>>713850037
4x Buneary

I can evolve them, after all. Just have to feed them good food and play with them every day and I get 4x Lopunny.

>>713850130
Big fish goes

>252+ SpA Tera Water Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey in Rain: 350-414 (53.6 - 63.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>>713850702
Can any special attack OHKO that bitch?

>>713850037
Glameow
Purugly
Plusle + Minun

>>713850785
No.
I think the one that gets closest is Mega Mewtwo X with Focus Blast Crit does like 80%.

>>713846149
If I'm not mistaken it's a jap-only joke that this pokemon is supposed to be disappointing. Kinda like the Farfetch' thing.

>>713851224
My memory's failing me but I swear something started oneshotting HP/Def spread Blissey sets which forced the shift to Spd/Def
You used to be so sure she'd tank special hits that you didn't bother pumping the stat

>>713851336
It's a Tsuchinoko, which is an actual cryptid aka pokemon before pokemon. Japanese Farfetch'd is just a play on words.

>>713820841
>>goated starters
Sinnoh stareters suck
>>best regional bird
wrong
>luxray
sucks
>gallade
whatever
>garchomp
sucks
>gliscor
sucks
>mamoswine
downgrade
>rotom
sucks
>hm god
Linoone is gen 3
>lopunny
whatever
>toxicroak
sucks
>gastrodon
sucks
>togekiss
sucks
>yanmega
sucks
>electivire
sucks

Gen 4 is unambiguously the the worst pokemon designs have ever been, without even one single good design that isn't an evolution of an older 'mon.

>>713851508
>Sinnoh stareters suck
Stopped reading there. Learn English before posting, pajeet

>>713851508
>Sinnoh stareters suck
nope
>sucks
nope best regional electric type
>whatever
nope
>downgrade
*upgrade

cope

>>713849869
I'm him. Tell me how you really feel and post your own for fun

>>713851336
I can kind of tell, vidya Tsuchinoko are rarely ever more than a bonus.

>>713851508
>garchomp
>sucks
trying too hard

>>713850037
3 misdreavous and a lele

>>713851740
Tsuchinoko just prove that the japs were destined to make vidya. They can literally double jump.

>>713851682
also
>linoone was gen 3
doesn't learn any of the crappy water HMs in Hoenn unlike Bibarel, so it's worse

>>713851880
Pickup, howeverbeit.

Does anyone have that one online Battle where one of them ragequits and then the two of them argue for like an hour?

>>713851949
worthless if you're playing gemerald

>>713851425
252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera Fire Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Blissey in Sun: 740-872 (103.6 - 122.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>713851706
My post was the one that started all those charts being posted >>713836721

>>713852068
Still get Rare Candies. Got four of them in my recent playthrough.

>>713851508
I don't like most Pre Evos but you gotta be on some shit or trying to hard to not like at least one of them. Everyone has got one or two they fancy.

>>713814280
>Gen 1 mostly dogshit
I've heard a lot of horrid takes on this board but this might be the worst of all.

>>713852231
This. I think Gen 1 is the weakest of the 5 good gens (1 - 5) but it's got easily the best designs in the series.

>>713852180
i'd be too lazy to level it up

>>713852145
>Clawitzer
>Mimikyu
>Chandelure
>Aegislash
>Corviknight

Shit man how am I supposed to make fun of you with all this good taste?

>>713852452
th-thank you!

>>713852412
You can catch Linoones. But even then, you just switch Gooner in against a couple midgame trainers.

>>713834778
Cliche pick but

>>713847189
for me it's always been touko

>>713834778
Pretty standard I'd say

>>713847891
Just because I think Rhyperior looks like shit doesn't mean I'm going to like Conkeldurr or whatever, weird ass crybaby.

>>713852931
Breloom's awesome, nice picks all around, I approve of your Gen 2 bias, but

>Masquerain
Huh. May I ask why? I don't hate it or anything, it's a fairly neaty if kinda pointless bug, but what do you like about it? Other than it having intimidate and Guzma's being a minmaxed terror I didn't think this thing would have much of an audience.

>all these Honchkrows
Based. I wish he was more viable.

>>713853214
>it's a fairly neaty if kinda pointless bug, but what do you like about it?
looks cool, actually surskit is cooler, i should have picked that

>>713816845
>the most dogshit new Pokemon designs of any region
Any answer other than Johto is wrong.

>>713853239
i wish he was in more games

>>713853239
>>713854085
>cool witch bird becomes HECKIN COOL PIMP WITH A HAT MUHFUGGA
Peak redditmon.

>>713854007
https://lavacutcontent.com/sugimori-masuda-gen-3-interview/

>>713854175
>witch bird
Peak trannymon

>>713854231
Yeah, the witch wasn't as cool as the nigger pimp, my sister.

>>713851336
That’s why Dudunsparce is such a good evolution for Dunsparce
>dude, there’s a special evolution of Dunsparce that has THREE segments
>cool, how else is it different?
.>it’s not it’s exactly the same mostly :)
It continues the theming in a really clever way

>>713854295
trvke. thank god that agp-oozing tranny bird was replaced, xister

>>713854007
>Gen 3
>not more and cutesy kiddy than 1/2
Wha. They're on some shit saying this, trying to hype up the upcoming catalog. Compare Heracross to Volbeat and Ilumise. Gen 3 has some great mons but it opened the floodgates to worthless cute pandering Plusle and Minun, plus some of the really actually lazy simplified designs like Gulpin and Swalot.

>>713854007
>>713854208
johtods NOT dodging the allegations

>>713854438
Fucking this. Us sisters don't need some witch making a stereotype out of us. We actually have moved onto nigger worship now, so the pimp bird fits us better.

>>713854456
>Compare Heracross to Volbeat and Ilumise
lol ok now compare the starters, or slaking vs dunsparce, or literally anything else faggot

>>713854456
Yeah sure dude. Pichu and Marill definitely weren't lazy simplified designs either lmfao. At least Plusle and Minun are their own Pokemon.

>>713854590
I'd use Serene Grace Dunsparce over Slaking any day of the fucking week. Imagine the cock and ball torture of playing through the game like that.

>>713846149
>it's funny...because it looks bad!
game freak are terrified of sincerity so now everything has to be an ironic joke

>>713854590
>compare the starters
Typhlosion and Ferraligator are fucking fierce, Maganium may not be as "tough" looking as Blazeken but I still prefer it.

>>713854509
This so much this. I'm such a nigger dick obsessed muttkro tranny, even mobsters remind me of niggers

>>713854738
Dunsparce has no application because it dies before it can set up anything to take advantage of Serene Grace. Stop acting like a butthurt faggot in denial.

>>713854778
>Typhlosion
looks like a fat retarded plush for furfaggots
>Ferraligator
looks like a retarded toddler made it with chatgpt and crayola crayons. worst starters ever
>meganium
hahahahaHAHAHAHAHA AHHHHHHAHAHAHHAHA

>>713854773
You're probably baiting, but Dunsparce is a Japanese cryptid that existed for hundreds (thousands?) of years before Pokemon GSC. An actual example of Game Freak being terrified of sincerity is the string cheese mascot, #1000.

>>713854991
>setting up in single player
Kill yourself, you stupid faggot.

>>713854590
The Starters? I got a better one for you wiseguy, compare the stage 1 Gen 3 starters to their gen Gen 1 equivalents and see how much simplified and cutesy they've become. Huge blob heads with amorphous eggplant-shape bodies vs the original ones having more realistic and functional-looking bodies. The Gen 2 ones are kind of an in between with mostly bulbous bodies, but in Gen 1 you got three marketable plushies as starters.

>Dunsparce
Try or Granbull Ursaring. Or how about you compare Skitty/Delcatty to Meowth/Persian. I am not saying Gen 3 is bad or anything, I love Gen 3, but this is definitely the start of them starting to simplify and cuteify their designs.

>>713854638
>At least Plusle and Minun are their own Pokemon.
They're basically Pichu recolors. Two of them.

>>713855069
>i grind instead of strategizing with setup
pokeniggers, everyone

>>713854778
Typhosion has Charizard's stats with none of Charizard's moves, flying type or mega evolutions. It's too slow to be a fastmon and too frail to be a bulkmon. It's forced to use scarf because otherwise it just dies. Even with scarf it just dies because 90 SpA or whatever it has is pathetic. The overblown party trick that is Scarf Eruption is literally all it has. Even Charizard's 50% smogon stone damage is less pathetic since it at least has a real moveset.

>>713855142
>throw an X-Speed
>win
That's what Serene Grace does. Your fat nigger Slaking is still sitting around.

baka

>>713855243
>slaking one shots everything turn 1
>can switch out turn 2
wow.........

>>713855296
>he plays switch mode
You must be 18+ to use this website.

>>713854007
Gen 2 Pokemon are awful, in both design and in-game usage. And since the distribution is such shit, you barely see them anyway. Terrible gen.

>>713855243
So if items are on the table, why can't I use Truant turns for healing and setting up?

>>713855336
>you need shift mode to switch out
You are a fucking retard and don't know what you're talking about. Stop posting.

>>713823368
I especially hate it when they try to apply the game logic to the anime
>OH MY ARCEUS WHY DOES ASH'S CHARIZARD STILL KNOW LE EMBER!? THAT'S A 40 BASE POWER MOVE! AAAAAH MY GAME LOGIC!!
The games and anime are two wildly different beasts. Sure the anime has acknowledged the more gamey mechanics like levels a few times, but it mostly just sticks to its own thing.

>>713855124
>stage 1 Gen 3 starters to their gen Gen 1 equivalents
>stage 1
Lol nice cop out nigger. Blaziken is cooler than anything before it
>but this is definitely the start of them starting to simplify and cuteify their designs
No faggot, that's Johto with babymon, fat ugly starters, useless cutesy fodder shit like Sunflora, Dunsparce, etc

>>713855243
>use x speed
>on 45 base speed
>still doesnt outspeed
>shitsparce dies next turn
lol

>>713855412
Imagine wasting a turn to switch while you wait for your retard nigger to do nothing. Why suffer like this?

>>713855536
Yeah go fly a fucking kite you blind fucking retard lmao unbelievable

>>713811629
Pointy stones

>>713855693
Exactly my point.
If Spheal was in Johturd, it'd be a useless single stage shitmon with a 1% encounter rate on 1 route only avialable on Sunday.

>>713855693
>oh my god the first stage mon is cute???
>lets ignore the final stage mon that actually looks imposing

>>713855767
and it wouldnt evolve lmao

>>713855767
He basically is. Literally last cave of the game, only certain parts of it are accessible depending on the time of day. Stupid disingenuous fag.

>>713794476 (OP)
anyone got a link to the site that mixes and matches pokemon sprite parts?

>>713855874
Wrong, it's available in the main cave entrance.

>>713811206
God
I'm so sad that series never finished
I've been waiting for the rest of the tournament for like a decade

>>713855956
Fine, but it's still the last cave of the game. It has the same complaint that Larvitar does.

>>713847891
Gen 5 is the worst received dex and screaming about brainwashing and genwunners isn't going to change that. No sane person would prefer knockoffs like Swoobat over Crobat or even Golbat.

>>713855996
No, Spheal is level 26-35, which is reasonable before the 7th gym. GSC Larvitar is level 15 or 20 with the only battle left being Red.

>>713855996
Eeeeeh
Shoal Cave is available before 2 gyms, the last leg of the evil team plot, victory road, the elite 4, and champion.
Larvitar is available only for effectively the champion.
I see what you're getting at, but, Larvitar has a special kind of fuck

>>713855996
>It has the same complaint that Larvitar does.
there's the whole elite 4 you can do with walrein. you need 16 badges for shartvitar, hours of grinding, and all you can do with it is fight red.
johto is dogshit

>>713856140
>muh six whole levels
Kill yourself, you hair-splitting dipshit.

>>713855767
Wasn't talking about viability or encounters but the design being absolutely pandering to cute. But Spheal is dead weight by the time you find it anyways, and you know what, better to eventually become Mamoswine than to forever be a completely fucking worthless slow mixed attacker like 70% of Hoenn's evolved Pokemon turned out to be. Thar ot shit like Castform. Or like Silcoon/Cascoon, literally the same thing but a different color, an all time low for the series. You are huffing some nasty shit if you think Gen 3's roster is perfect. Again, I like a lot of it, it has its good points but you can tell it was one of the turning points of the series, and Masuda pretending otherwise was just him hyping up the new games in the interview.

>>713856236
>6-15 levels
>lets ignore all the content in between btw
Kill yourself.

fuck yeah seaking

>>713856265
>But Spheal is dead weight by the time you find it anyways
It's literally one of the best Pokemon in the late game. Try again, faggot

>>713856280
20 levels

>>713856362
Who gives a shit.

>>713856280
I actually raised a Walrein in my latest playthrough, and I had to save every single water trainer to get his levels up in time for the E4. You're a disingenuous narrative spinner if you're actually asserting that it's normally possible to make it viable in time without going out of your way in the extreme.

look at all this arguing and goalpost moving, did /vp/ spill into here?

>>713856362
in comparison, here's johturd's where everyone uses the same 5-6 pokemon because the dex is such utter dogshit

>>713856389
the 40%+ that used it care

>>713856409
skill issue
how many levels did larvishit take lmao

>>713856457
>Dragonair 10-15%
I know that the list is retarded because Dragonair is terrible due to its exp group, I did a playthrough of Gold where I got it in the Game corner early and it was FUCKING USELESS

>>713856409
It gets Encore and can evolve after one level. How are you so shit?

I love how Gen 2 is designed with almost surgical precision to make autistic people assmad. Over 20 years of nonstop seethe about shit no normal person gives a fuck about like what specific level the gym leaders are and whether random Pokemon like Houndour or Larvitar are available at the start of the game in order to fit in with your meticulous aspergic "team building." Suffer and get fucked you speds.

>>713856684
It requires like ten levels even if you catch it at the highest possible level. How are you so bad at math?

>>713856271
Gen 9 made designs great again and Lokix is one of the best

>>713856764
Larvitar I get cuz it's a pseud, but it does suck how Houndoom isn't in the game, it's the one Johtomon that would ammount to something if moved around. Other than that yeah people seethe about the stupidest things in Gen 2.

>>713856779
Even if you don't train it, Sealeo is tanky enough where the opponent wants to set up turn 1 and slow Encore gives you multiple free turns. There, your shitty Dunsparce strat is usable now.

>>713856884
Sorry, I don't like babysitting a fat ugly tween form seconds before the E4. Maybe I'm just not retarded.

>>713856978
>no argument, just seethe
Yep my work is done.

>>713856764
>can't get new pokemon because devs made it so
>no other reason
It's pretty retarded, anon. Why not give players the freedom to choose nore diverse teams? It adds replayability, especially when they are some of the better designs of that gen.

>>713856978
>I don't like babysitting a fat ugly tween form seconds before the E4
same, that's why i know johto is objectively the worst region in the series when they expect me to level larvitar up against level 15 pidgeys infesting every route in both johto and kanto

>>713857023
Encore is a complete and total waste of a turn in single player, and you still haven't responded to the fact that you need to go out of your way to save up trainers to even have him fully evolved for the E4.

>>713856764
>meticulous aspergic "team building"
I too only used Typhlosion in Crystal to solo the game b/c Mareep wasn't available

>>713856764
You're a roleplaying virgin sperg yourself, lmao.

>>713857095
>Encore is a complete and total waste of a turn in single player
>the opponent doing nothing for 2-6 turns is useless
KEK
johtoniggers everyone

>>713857204
Encore works on human players who might set up. Computer players never set up, so you're just catching them in a loop of using an attacking move. Encore is also one of the extremely few things that will get the computer to switch. You are a dumb nigger.

>get the urge to play Pokemon
>it's past 7 PM so they're all ugly as fuck right now
God I hate real time day/night systems

>>713857029
Off the top of my head, you can get Ampharos, Bellossom, Politoed, Slowking, Espeon, Umbreon, Heracross, Ursaring, Donphan, and probably even more than that with no problem. It is absolutely insane how much of a mountain people make out of the molehill of not being able to get like 3 Pokemon. I don't know if it's fixation caused by OCD or autism or what but seriously who gives a shit.

Why not fish out a Staryu, evolve it and teach it Ice Beam? Can you get the TM before the E4? If you can, that would make Walrein completely obsolete, is the STAB that much worth it? Swampert can also learn it iirc.

>>713857204
Why not just kill the opponent with something fast. Then they don't get to do anything, ever.

>>713856764
>I love how Gen 2 is designed
like garbage? It has the worst pacing, dex distribution, item placements, and evil team segments in the fucking franchise. The region itself is made up of nothing but the shortest, bland, and grassy routes. It has nothing going for it except "vibes" and other nostalgianigger copes.

>>713847736
Shedinja's main problem is more that every fucking Uber has Mold Breaker built into their ability or signature move nowadays. Half the shit in Ubers just clicks the thing they always use, and Shedinja dies.
ORAS Ubers Shedinja was my favorite pokemon of all time to run.
Fucks Kyogre and Xerneas, makes a lot of Xerneas teams forfeit on the spot.
Usually beats Deoxys and Mewtwo.
Has one of the most fun interactions in Pokémon against Aegislash. Just raw prediction vs prediction.
Has madman plays you can make with Primal Kyogre vs Primal Groudon.
That fucking MOMENT when someone's turn suddenly takes an extra minute, and you FEEL them double checking their team to be sure who can actually hit it.
Free pivots through Shedinja, the fuckin mindgames of if you're gonna double switch or protect, predicting the coverage for whoever, so staying in on insane opponents to get cheeky burns or chip.
Opponents throwing the entire game to keep rocks on the field for Shedinja, when the rest of my team doesn't give a shit, and I'm defogging to hard read them trying to reset and set up on them.
God, I miss it. Oras Ubers Shedinja was so fucking fun. Sash, Protect, Wisp, Shadow Sneak, imagination for the last slot.

I also quite liked the fukkin retarded Rayquaza set I usually paired it with. The Fuck You Rayquaza. Scarf, Surf, Stone Edge, Sleep Talk, Dragon Ascent. Surf fucks P-Don, Stone Edge fucks Ho-Oh, Sleep Talk fucks Darkrai, Dragon Ascent takes a bite out of everyone else. Awful set. Should not have worked. But I had games where between Shedinja and Fuck You Rayquaza, they fucked literally the entire enemy team by themselves, in the most retarded ways possible.
I miss my favorite meta.

>>713857330
i fucking love houndoom and do wish it was earlier but you get enough fire types before then that i don't mind it, i'm just laughing at the /vp/ genwarring spergs crying into the void before the thread 404's.

>>713857405
Can you actually pinpoint the difference between good and bad item placement?
I'd love to hear the expert analysis from an RPG expert like you.

>>713857286
>Encore works on human players who might set up
no, humans who aren't johtoniggers know what switching out is
>Computer players never set up
factually wrong when the AI has setup moves
>Encore is also one of the extremely few things that will get the computer to switch
incorrect, the emerald AI doc says nothing about encore
stop trying

>>713857405
Don't pretend that gen 3 has good routes out of that one route. You know the one I'm talking about, because it's the only notable route in gen 3. Or gen 4, constantly putting you through Mt Coronet. Love those Zubat fucking caves!

>>713857368
>Can you get the TM before the E4
Yes. But it's game corner.
Fuck the game corner

>>713857330
Being able to get Heracross so early is one of the high points of the series. If you catch a Scyther on the bug catching thing, that's also a fucking Scyzor as soon as you manage to steal a Metal Coat from a Magnemite, fucking insane.

>>713857514
>good item placement
lets me use evolution items and tms before the credits
>bad item placement
johto shit where i'm expected to rely on rng phone calls for a fire stone and other nonsense
>>713857535
both of those have better regions than johto, don't kid yourself nigger. there's nothing memorable about johto's layout

>>713857520
>factually wrong when the AI has setup moves
And they use them randomly. If you guess 1 in 4 with Encore, congrats, you justified using the stupidest fucking move possible in the campaign! Campaign is not competitive, you drooling fucking retard. I bet you use Toxic stall strats in campaign, that's how fucking stupid you are.

>>713857405
>I'M AUTISTIC
>I LOVE REDDIT TALKING POINTS
Thanks, but I already addressed that.
>>713857618
Based. Heracross is the shit.

>>713857662
>randomly
lmao no, the emerald AI is smart enough to do damage calcs. the general rule is if it doesn't see a kill, it sets up
stop trying

>>713857784
>>I'M AUTISTIC
>>I LOVE GEN TWO
Yeah, I get that

>>713857651
I'm confused on how what you just said relates to map design at all, seems more like a balancing effort to make you consider your options further than "do I want to spend $3000 on this stone"

>>713857618
Heracross fucking sucks in GSC. Its only STAB is Rock Smash until level 44. In the meantime, you're only using normal type moves. Why shouldn't I use Furret instead?

>>713857795
Not him but I'm pretty sure the vast majority of trainers in the series use random AI, there is an "advanced" AI but it's still stupid.

R8 me m8

>>713856094
>Gen 5 is the worst received dex
And John Carpenter's The Thing was poorly received during its theatrical run, which clearly means no sane person would prefer its knockoff alien over E.T..
Something's initial reception has jack shit to do with its actual quality, and something's memetic perception can change over time like when John Carpenter's The Thing was released on home video.

>>713857834
>I'm confused on how what you just said relates to map design at all
Not sure why you're mixing the 2. I'm obviously replying to two posts, retard.

>>713857898
>gookspeak
>mommy tentacles
Gonna have to deduct some points.

>>713857870
no they still tend to go for the kill if they see one. shit like dp AI is almost completely random

>>713857795
Maybe in the frontier, you desperate fag. Why don't you post the source of your beloved AI shit?

>>713834724
>Talonflame post nerf
>Best Regional bird
Bravest bird is still the best.

Maybe discount skarmory can take that throne tho.

>>713857559
Well I still think a Starmie is a much better asset for a team than a Walrein, way more versatile, insanely useful, always rocked it in Emerald.

>>713857861
Shame about the learnset in actual Gen 2, but Herc's stats are still insane for the point of the game you get him (before the second fucking medal iirc) till the end, I seriously think it would do way more damage with Return or any other physical move you can slap on it than Furret could ever hope, stab or not. Seriously, it's got like twice its base attack.

Then in Gen 4 without the crappy move limitations Herc is just a fucking terror all around, it learns fucking Brick Break in time to destroy Whitney's Miltank. It's so fucking good.

>most forgettable starters
>johto gym leaders don't use johto pokemon
>too many johtomons locked behind kanto
>besides a few mons, the most competitively unviable of all gens
>most available johtomons have unappealing stats/learnsets even for a normal playthrough
>awful wild pokemon distribution
>useless babymons to pad dex count
>pathetic level curve
>strongest wild encounter is mid lv 30
>encountering lv 3-5s on your way to the 16th badge
>gym leaders/champ need hacked mons
>uninspired, linear map
>only 4 branching paths in the johto map, the fewest of all games
>edgy fanfic tier rival
>routes are decorated hallways, only one route has a reason to revisit
>cringe tier team rocket plot
>killed pokemania
>gamefreak acknowledges that gen 2 was the final cash in on the early craze
>created kanto pandering
>by far the most insecure and schizophrenic fanbase here
>put quantity over quality to satiate toddlers at the time
>doesn't make use of the gbc's full color pallet
>needed kanto to keep genwunners buying in
>other half of the game is copy-pasted gutted down gen 1
>neutered Mt. Moon
>neutered Rock Tunnel
>removed Cerulean Cave
>removed Silph
>removed Pokemon Tower
>removed Kanto Legendaries
>neutered Victory Road
>removed Seafoam Islands
>removed Power Plant
>neutered Viridian Forest
>neutered Cinnabar
>removed underground paths
>removed old rocket hideout
>gave up on level progression and plot halfway through
>one of the games only exists to shill a movie
>only appeal is revisiting gen 1
>failed its only appeal by neutering it which left genwunners disappointed
>poor implementations of new features
>completely invalidated by the remakes
>shallow attempt at open world
>only praise is buzzwords parroted by obese millennial faggots assblasted over random youtube videos

>>713856457
nuzlocking johto is garbage
>but play casually
that just makes me realize how much more boring it is

>>713857651
It's honestly really funny to me how people conplain about shit like this without even considering how retarded it sounds within context.
You beat the Elite Four in Gen 2 at like high 30s low 40s, what Pokemon could you possibly be wanting to evolve with Stones before that point?
Are you going to evolve your Growlithe before it gets Flamethrower?
Are you going to evolve your Poliwhirl before it gets Hydro Pump?
Maybe Gloom before it gets Petal Dance?
No, of course you're not doing any of that retarded shit, so why do you need elemental stones before the E4?

>>713852931
Might be the most NPC one I've seen so far

>>713858131
It's public, dude. A god gamer like yourself can't find it?

>>713858346
>Are you going to evolve your Growlithe before it gets Flamethrower?
Yes, Fire Blast is buyable.
>Are you going to evolve your Poliwhirl before it gets Hydro Pump?
Yes. Surf.
You are a retard.

>>713850173
I blame the WiiU for that, I think that Nintendo preassured GF to Keep 3DS alive for a few years more, what they didn't count was YW stealing their home turf and SM ended up being the turd it is.

X/Y gets too much underseved hate, it wasn't the best but both ORAS and XY are the best (bar Arceus) since the golden era.

>>713858461
>grinding the Meme Corner for an 85 accuracy move
You sure showed me.

>>713858606
>meme corner
You buy it from Celadon Department Store. Play games before you shitpost about them.

>>713852031
gotchu senpai

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/randombattle-247965078

>>713858346
You should also consider why Sunflora and Bellossom have a fat 0% usage in that tier list.

>>713858658
Goldenrod, rather

>no physical defense
garbage, also who the fuck plays singles format competitively except retards kyogre isnt worth a team slot in doubles god i wish we could have megas again

>>713858658
Even if that were true - which it isn't btw because the Celadon Department Store specifically sells weather move TMs - how would it fix your problem if it becomes available at the same time as the Fire Stone?

>>713858346
Imagine this motherfucker not winning the bug contest on his first playthrough.

Sun stone was easily obtainable.

>>713858606
>85 acc bad
Pretty rich coming from someone pushing fucking Serene Grace Dunsparce.

>>713858162
Like it or not, GSC was the last time Pokemon felt like a genuine adventure game instead of being a guided tour through some set pieces the developers want you to see. Any linearity you want to accuse GSC of can be turned around hard on the newer games. Your giant NPC paragraph is totally schizophrenic, complaining about Kanto pandering while saying the only appeal is revisiting Gen 1. To say just a few things, the Kanto section is a whole extra half of the game that needed to fit on a GBC cart. Plus, having it be exactly the same as it was before would be boring. Two years have passed. You can call Team Rocket and Silver cringe, but we are talking about Pokemon lmao. The fixation on the "level curve" is totally bizarre to me. SMT fans do not care what level the bosses are, Final Fantasy fans do not care what level the bosses are. There is more to the game than whether your enemy is Level 34 or 38, it's really not that serious.

>>713858795
Kyogre was basically omnipresent last gen and mostly disappeared only because of Miraidon

>>713858872
I love how literally no one in this thread can keep track of who is who.

>>713858795
>god i wish we could have megas again
you're in luck pal, Megas are coming in full force, between this year and the other, this years with legends AZ and the next year with the "Showdown" app that has all the gimmicks.

>>713858886
Once you get to Kanto GSC becomes an "open world" game.

>>713858886
Wait I didn't read his sperg manifesto, he doesn't like Silver? Now that is trying too fucking hard.

>>713858736
Oh I see you're just not talking about Gen 2 ok lol
Maybe consider the original game's design before judging it based on haphazard thoughtless changes by its remake?

>>713857795
Emerald Advanced AI, which most gym leaders and e4 use, follows a pretty basic formula.
The AI will pick moves at random for the most part, but will always check if it can get a kill with each of its moves first. If any standard damage roll on a move can kill, it will randomly pick one of the moves that it sees will kill, unless it has a priority or perfect accuracy move, which it will prioritize in that order. Note, that since it sees if a maximum damage roll will kill, it will "miscaluculate" pretty commonly
For doubles, it does the same thing, but only picks one of your pokemon to run these calculations on per turn. I know there's a condition to get it to reliably pick one, but I forget what it is.

>>713858886
>GSC was the last time Pokemon felt like a genuine adventure game
What a nothing statement. GSCfags always say the same shit like "it's comfy" and "it felt like an adventure" because they aren't properly defined. Do the piss poor battles and empty dungeons feel like an adventure? Is it the day/night cycle blocking you from catching mons when you want? Or is it because of the 2nd decrepit half-baked region that feels more like a boss rush?

>>713859182
there's more nuance to it due to the scoring system applying to particular moves but yes. it's even easier to abuse when the AI cares so much about outspeeding

>>713858012
The website by default is in korean

>>713858902
maybe in singles format this thing dies to anything specced for extreme speed especially with a helpy hand

>>713859304
I'm pretty sure Drake's Shelgon is hardcoded to use Protect turn 1.

>>713859194
The tone of a game and the "mood" it evokes are legitimate aspects of game, same as music or movies. Pokemon was originally such a phenomenon because of the imagination it inspired. But congrats on being edgy I guess.

>>713835556
>entry level degenerate furfag pokemon
Nigga fapping to Obstagoon or Shinx or whatever doesn't make you unique

>>713859169
I was gonna say "Fire Punch lol" but dogs can't punch I guess.

You're just cursed to not use Arcanine in gen 2, I guess. Sorry bro.

>>713859429
In Emerald? I'm positively sure I've OHKOd that fucker with Swampert more tImes I can count.

>>713806785
>There's no way that's a real pokemon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyyPHykiXiw

>>713859485
>The tone of a game and the "mood" it evokes are legitimate aspects of game
Yep, that's gens 1 and 3-9 for me.

>>713858162
>gym leaders/champ need hacked mons
wut

>>713859545
I hope you're not shitting on Gen 9's best design, because Ceruledge and Tinkaton are objectively the best designs from this crappy gen.

>>713814280
>it's a retarded zoomers trying to pretend shitty ass gen 5 is part of the good pokemon era episode again

>>713859729
This, but troonllenials pretending Johto games aren't slop.

>>713859485
Lol don't bother, these /vp/ freaks literally do nothing but think about Pokemon all day.
Whatever mood the games are trying to evoke has long since faded in their minds, Pokemon are nothing more than stat sticks to wave around the faces of NPCs after you shove 500 rare candies into their mouth so you don't actually have to engage with any of the game's design beyond the gym battles.

>>713859485
Zoomers that started with gen 3 cannot understand the disappointment we went when after E4 was like "what do you mean you can't go to jotho?".

more than 20 years and it still hurts like if it was yesterday

>>713859429
Same with Pheobe's first Dusclops
Even funnier for her, she's programmed to use Protect until it blocks something, so you can just set up on it forever

>>713859814
yeah i was really engaging with the mechanics when i turned my game off and on 30 times hoping some would give me the phone call to come and collect the water stone.

>>713859729
Gen 5 is the best gen thoughbeit.

5 > 4 > 3 > 1 > 2 > (power gap) > 6 > 7 > 8 > 9

>>713794476 (OP)
Games are more balanced when the devs put in whatever they want with 0 regard for tryhard competitive players. All of ADV, Melee, and Marvel 2 agree with this and are vastly more balanced than the modern games.

>>713859851
Why do Hoenn and Sinnoh get their own league anyways? I know it's logistic reasons so they didn't have to remake all of not-Japan with every game, but why do those two regions have their own E4 shit.

>>713859851
Why would I want to go back to a shitty region that would be even worse by them cutting it down even more to cram into RSE's postgame?

>>713859915
not so fast fucking retard
>Gen 1>Gen 6 >Gen 9 > Every Other Gen>Pile of Garbage>Gen 5

>>713859938
This
Competitive communities will filter out the bullshit, and make something out of the pieces.
Making things to be competitive usually just reduces the tools a community has to use

>>713859903
See? This is exactly what I mean.
It's not about letting shit happen organically and having a fun surprise like a free elemental stone thrown your way, it's about minmaxing everything - I NEED that water stone now, I literally cannot play around not having it.

>>713858273
It's funny, because all of those points were brought up before that YouTuber in question made them widely popular. That was the common sentiment on /vp/ before the Gen 2 contrarians saw that a YouTuber made a video using those points so now instead of trying to debunk them (they can't, Gen 2 is ass) they just say "lmao you just watched a YouTuber".

>>713859194
>2nd region
I always laugh when I see that. Reminder that Hoenn is the first nonlinear region and it's bigger than Johto + Kanto.

Same interview: https://lavacutcontent.com/sugimori-masuda-gen-3-interview/

>>713859938
I'll die on the hill that Arceus prove that competitive is hindering the singleplayer, the singleplayer cannot get creative without hurting the competitive somehow.

>>713860016
Zoomie is right that the stones are completely retarded in GSC, but it's also completely painless if you know what you're doing, and you don't even have to reset the system. So he's also a retard.

>>713860080
Sure doesn't feel like it

>>713859694
Nigga, it's a cool design for an action/fighting anime but not for Pokemon. You can't look at Gen 1/Gen 2 and compare whatever generation that is and say it's from the same fucking universe. No way.

Why do previous existing pokemon still have godzilla monster design silhouettes? Why do all the new starters have no-neck HUEG FUCKING HEAD and tiny body designs? They're supposed to look like animals with appropriately scaled limbs and torsos.

>>713860060
Your fellow clown literally, actually used a Youtube thumbnail though lmao

>>713860209
>gen 1: go buy the stones from the dept store
>gen 2: lmfao

Free him

>>713860080
Why is half of Johto a literal loop? I thought Unova was the circle region?

>>713795674
what the fuck happened to pokemon

>>713860479
Westoids calls the shots now.

>>713860263
This is the slippery slope that Gen 3 started. It wasn't too bad back then, but by Gen 5, most people noticed there was something wrong. Shit having huge heads, extreme noodle limbs, nubs for legs, extreme geometrical shapes, huge eyes, shit like that.

>>713860209
Like I said in my original post the stones in Gen 2 are clearly only there to placate you in the post-game in case you REALLY want to evolve certain mons, but Game Freak didn't intend for you to actually use any of them other than the Sun Stone before Kanto, and before Crystal had them given out by phone calls you literally couldn't anyway.
You can not like that decision I guess, but it's not like it's something that's wrong with the game, it's just how they decided to balance that mechanic this time around.
Complaining you can't use them is about as valid of a complaint as saying you're pissed because they decided not to put Rattata in Ruby and Sapphire - who cares? Play the game they made.

>>713860479
No movies to make people like Calyrex so they think that strong = likeable and seeing it everywhere = likeable

>>713859992
Hello, Yawnfag. I'd just like to point out Gen 3 did the same shit and yet I don't see you complaining about that.

>Caterpie/Weedle lines -> Wurmple lines
>Abra line -> Ralts line
>Grimer line -> Gulpin line
>Meowth line -> Skitty line
>Dratini line -> Bagon line
>Seel line -> Spheal line
>Magikarp line -> Feebas line

It's almost as if both gens were meant to be soft reboots where the new Pokemon vaguely resembled the Kanto Pokemon to provide a sense of familiarity without just copying and pasting the old Pokemon in directly.

>>713859992
>Paras to Dweeble
How retarded and disingenuous do you have to be.

>>713860642
It's one of the fundamental evolution types introduced in the first game, and they almost completely remove it unless you're a powergaming nerd. This is a game with Eevee. I can understand the complaints. That also doesn't mean that GSC is a bad game.

>>713860263
Have you never compared gen 1 and gen 2 designs? There's a very clear difference. Put Rattata next to Sentret. It's the same shit.

>>713860479
Designs went to shit with Gen 4. They went extra-shit with Gen 6.

>>713858886
Johto's adventure sucks balls. Gen II isn't nonlinear by any means, it just has a poorly thought out region and shitty level scaling.

>>713860263
you can't group gen 1 and 2 together when they had fundamentally different priorities in designing the mons
see >>713854007

>>713860314
Doesn't change how that YouTuber just directly aped all of /vp/'s talking points. And he isn't wrong about Gen 2 even if he's a gay commie faggot.

>>713860748
The Eevee they gave you is clearly meant to evolve into Umbreon or Espeon, which also acts as a soft tutorial for friendship evolutions.
I'm pretty sure that's like 80% of the reason the stones aren't easily available.

>>713860869
I still think that interview is fucking bullshit because a lot of Gen 2 mons were scrapped Gen 1 mons, and everyone with a brain can tell the shift with Gen 3 was what started the kinds of mons on the left. You can very much lump them together because a lot of the actual design work happened at the same time, with changes and all.

>>713861132
>which also acts as a soft tutorial for friendship evolutions
I can physically hear you stretching this, but I can accept that they wanted to pigeonhole you into those two evolutions.

>>713860774
>>713860869
Did you misread my post? I'm comparing Gengajr to Ceruledge. This type of shit.

>>713861128
It also doesn't change the bum ass nigger used a gay commie faggot's Youtube thumbnail as image for his post.

>>713861143
There's even an interview dug up and translated by DYKG where the Pokemon designers say they deliberately tried to make the Gen 2 Pokemon simple and cutesy to sell merch to girls while they were making Gen 3 Pokemon "cooler" looking deliberately.

Just compare the Johto Beta Pokemon to what we actually got. We were fucking robbed. Meanwhile the Hoenn Beta Pokemon were almost all worse than what we got.

>>713859950
i don't think japan exists like that in pokemon, just that the regions are close to each other until unova

>Have multiple chances to give Mewtwo a new ability with hidden abilities and megas
>Unnerve
>Insomnia
>Steadfast
Even Kanto favoritism isn't enough to match powerceep
Unless it's Zapdos. Zapdos somehow always finds a way. Even it it's somehow running a defensive set these days.

>>713861246
to be fair gengar is the fucking coolest pokemon ever
every other pokemon will look lame when put to his side

>>713861229
Yeah there's no chance anyone familiar with Eevee from Gen 1 was gonna use the thing before the stones became available to even have a chance at getting the friendship evo without knowing about them beforehand.
But y'know sometimes you gotta give them the benefit of the doubt, at least it's not Milotic.

>>713861369
>you never got to experience [my nostalgia]
sweet johtimmy, now say "vibes" and "comfy" so we can get a BINGO

>>713861369
Is that why gen 2 sales dropped 25%? They killed Pokemania, retard. You had to be a younger teen in 1998 to experience it, millennitranny.

>>713859851
No one wanted to go back to Johto because Johto doesn't have any memorable locations except Ecruteak. The disappointment in Ruby and Sapphire came from not being able to transfer your old Pokemon into the new game. Well, that and the complete lack of a post game prior to Emerald.

>>713861368
Using my own judgement and looking at shit like Spheal and Plusle and Minun, I can tell that's marketing speak. There's no way. Specially looking at the beta and seeing how much clearer and cleaner most of the designs are. Compare Beta Hoothoot's proportions to the real thing, stuff is way less bobbleheaded and lopsided.

>>713861368
Every single thing in that image is shittier than the real mons except MAYBE politoed.

>>713861607
>marketing speak
Is that why they also mentioned they were catering to the anime producers and merch makers in the 2000 gen 2 interview?

>>713861526
Gotta love zoomers arguing this as if Gen 3 wasn't deliberately cashing in on Johto nostalgia whenever they could.
https://youtu.be/fm7HjS747mM?si=82Ted6-cYd5J3AcH

>>713861480
Wasn't the decrease in sales even bigger with Ruby and Sapphire? I know no other Gen compared to Gens 1/2 in sales till the Switch games, that was the peak of pokemania.

>>713861368
those proto legendary beasts look like trash, holy shit

>>713861526
The disappointment was that GSC felt like a living breathing world that added so much to RBY, while RSE were a massive step back in every way. People only started to care about Emerald due to competitive autism (which ultimately caused the downfall of the series) just before DP were coming out.

>>713861724
Comparing what they did back then to the kind of design that started flying in Hoenn puts into perspective that maybe yes. Lots of hype mongering, every subsequent generation became more and more toyetic.

>>713861761
Yep, the damage was done and GBA sales weren't amazing. They performed around the same if you compare the console numbers. The Johto anime was dragging and tons of kids lost interest, which is terrible when it was generating the most attention.

>>713861663
Beta Water Starter line > Totodile
(Beta Tangrowth is better than the Tangrowth we got, but the Tangrowth we got was shit because it was Gen 4)
Beta Ledian > Real Ledian
Beta Girafarig > Real Girafarig
Beta Remoraid line > Real Remoraid Line
Beta Tyrogue > Real Tyrogue
Beta Hoppip line > Real Hoppip line
Beta Porygon2 > Real Porygon2
Beta Murkrow > Real Murkrow
Most of the rest of the redesigns were improvements

Also we were absolutely robbed of so many good Pokemon there. Especially these guys

>>713861368
Gotta love the ones that didn't change at all.
They knew they had a winner with Xatu.