Thread 713974303

>The game isn't bad, you just play it wrong
Why is this argument so popular?

>>713974303 (OP)
It's what you have to say to defend modern Kojislop

DS1 and DS2 are too easy and forgiving for you to do the whole "planning you route thing". that has always been a meme. I beat the game on very hard and it was still too easy outside of the boos fights.

>>713974375
Hammy boy is legitimately low IQ.

>>713974303 (OP)
do you only play braindead games where you can play like a retard and still win

>>713975112
Yeah, when I just want to finish it and don't care about the side content because it's too boring.

>>713974375
To be fair, he was correct that there's a retarded amount of moons
Dunno why he felt the need to artificially inflate his video length by listing every single one

>>713974303 (OP)
Sometimes it does apply, Hotline Miami 2 is a good example. The gameplay basically encourages you to memorize the map layouts and forward key through the whole thing in one long combo blitz and most players instead camp corners and whine when they get shot.

>>713974303 (OP)
if you're not willing to attempt to experience a video game and engage with what it gives you, why go out of your way to make a public critique?

>>713974303 (OP)
What game did people tell you that you played wrong?

>>713975950
The bigger maps in Hotline Miami 1 were some of the worst because they could end up being RNG nonsense because a guard would take you out off screen you couldn't see. That's not very fun, and they doubled down on the large maps in Hotline Miami 2.

>>713974303 (OP)
>Why is this argument so popular?
Because seeing how someone engages with the game is the easiest method to determine the validity of their individual complaints. Kind of like when someone complains that ER is hard yet they never upgrade their weapons, or how someone complains about poor level design in Crash Bandicoot but they actually just suck at basic platforming.

>>713975950
I only played HM1. I remember I got a horrible score and was like "fuck off dev, I don't care about scores in a singleplayer game". Proceeded to play the whole game like a giant stealth segment, killing a single enemy at once before hiding again

>>713974303 (OP)
I say the same thing about having sex with me.

>>713976321
Dark Souls players are their own special kind of retarded though. Consumables? Won't use em. Summons? Refuse the help. Ranged weapons or spells? Not fair.

Bitch, you made this hard on yourself then complained about it.

The amount of people who used matches wrong in Evil Within should be outright criminal. They used them mostly assuming the enemies revive after some time like some copycat RE1R mechanic instead of timing them to burn several instantly.

>>713974303 (OP)
Because it legitimately applies to niggers that ignore the narrative and only focus on gameplay.

>>713974303 (OP)
he's right though.
Plays like a retards. Doesn't understand what he's doing. Then complains because the game isn't lowering to his retarded levels. That's why we get nothing but Souls slop nowadays where all you do is roll, wait your turn and attack over and over again for countless of hours. That is how retarded the gameplay has to be nowadays for people to get it.

>new Rogue trader DLC comes out
>bunch of literally who's on youtube review it
>"to be hones I know nothing about the setting but I wanted to give it a go"
>"to be honest I don't take the story seriously, because it's all parody"
>leaves all skills in an unorganized default mess
Total content creator death.

>>713974303 (OP)
all of this persons points can be shot in the foot with one line.
>You can no longer connect to the internet/server and now its offline single player only forever.

Now the game sucks fucking dick because all of the shit is now gone and its back to being a dead nothing world.

>>713976428
>>713976561
I don't play ER but have a irl friend who personally ragequit Elden Ring near the end and bitched about the bosses combos and never having being able to get a hit in.

I bring up that the point of the bell summons seems to be so you can aggro the boss away from you which would solve the issue and he adamantly refused to use it. Like it was akin to summoning coop player or something. Firmly made me believe he's got some undiagnosed sperg issues.

>>713974303 (OP)
>The game isn't fun if you don't do a, b... x, y, z.
The YouTube comment section is just Reddit but sub-80 IQ.

>>713974303 (OP)
retards ruined fighting games by playing them wrong and complained, making new gen fighting games gimmicky and easy. They never really wanted to get in the genre anyways

>>713974303 (OP)
is this a streamer thread?

>>713974303 (OP)
Literally I to my friend who disliked e33.

Metro Exodus
>Taiga chapter
>Doesn't explore area, runs straight to objective
>Bear boss, at this point you should have an 8-chamber revolver and explosive bolts for crossbow
>"wtf?? I only have a 3-chamber revolver for this! This boss is unfair, game sucks!!"

Curbstomp streamers into the concrete

>>713979691
If the devs want you to have some shit, why make that shit optional? Bad game design

>>713974303 (OP)
because we've all seen the journalist fucking up cuphead tutorial video

>>713979859
I recommend watching the whole video, it also includes his hilarious attempts to beat the first level

>>713975112
Maybe the game itself should explain how I’m supposed to play it.

>>713974303 (OP)
>start playing "right"
>it actually becomes fun
What sorcery is this

>>713979859
>>713980081
>Reviewed Mass Effect 1 without knowing what the equipment screen looked like and without swapping his weapons to superior variants

the whole point of a video game is interacting with it. people who actually like prescribed experiences deserve utter garbage like doom dark ages

>>713980196
>start playing right
>it actually becomes fun
this

>Get a book
>Only read the last page
>"Well that sucked, I didn't understand any of it"

>>713974303 (OP)
>NOOOO, YOU MUST PLAY X WAY OR THE GAME ISN'T FUN
That's why I don't play linear games. All of them are the same garbage.

>>713980580
So what? You think this guy would love Kenshi?

>>713974303 (OP)
>>The game isn't bad, you just play it wrong
It's usually true. Some people genuinely don't interact with the game in a way that the developers intended them to, and it ruins the experience. They ignore tutorials, they pretend certain mechanics just flat out don't exist, they don't give the game an honest chance in the way they should be doing, get pissed off or bored, and act like the game is "shit" because of how THEY played it.

>>713974375
was this done by a woman. you can clearly see you stay within the different bushes / catcuses

>>713980836
He can't see the bushes he is supposed to stay within because controllerniggers can't run and move the camera at the same time

>>713974375
>show that the game is super easy
>show that the game have tons of time waster
>tendies just use a random clip where he fuck up a circle as cope
tendies will never recover from this video KEK

>Watch a movie
>Leave to take a huge shit ten minutes in
>Come back to watch the last ten minutes
>Wtf this movie sucked???
Yes, there is a right way to play games. Some games require you to pay attention to the story, and to immerse yourself in the game world. Optional content is great to achieve this.

>>713974303 (OP)
Mario kart world (post update) defenders in a nutshell.

>>713980580
Even non-linear games are like that too retard

>>713974303 (OP)
Sometimes that argument fits, but I get pissed when people think it is a proper defense for RPGs.

>>713981146
>Linear games: only 1 way to be played, game either forbids or punishes you for doing anything else
>Open games: A large number of ways to do things, the game rewards you for thinking creatively and trying different things
Ever played a pen and paper RPG anon? Linear games are bad DM's who force you on rails, its widely considered the worst kind of DM for a reason.

>>713981049
If your shits take 70 minutes, you should go see a doctor

>>713980942
If he can't even play the game properly, why should I give a shit about him showing me 5 billion moons taking up like half the run time of the entire video?

shut the fuck up retard everything has been homogenized because of idiots like you

>>713981304
You may not notice it but every game out there no matter if it's a tabletop or an actual video game has some sort of a gameplay loop that gives you the similar experience when you play through it

>>713974303 (OP)
>if you critize this consoom you are attacking me, my taste is not bad, you are the problem
That's why. People take critique of entertainment personally = if the product is shit that must mean you're saying they are shit.

>>713981473
I read recently that every game tries to guide you with light (i.e. the critical path is usually lit up in some way) and I can't unsee it in every game

>>713981304
You're conflating linear story progression with linear gameplay, when the latter almost never happens in a game worth it's salt. Very few games are played exactly the same in every single playthrough by every single person.

>>713981405
>If he can't even play the game properly
but he can, his whole point is that the game doesn't demand you to engage with the advance movement system of the game because 99% of the moon are brain-dead easy to get.

>>713974303 (OP)
>Why is this argument so popular?
Because if you play Gran Turismo and complain it's not like Need for Speed I will (rightfully) call your a fucking retard.

>>713981661
kek do GTniggers really think their game isn't as arcadey as NFS?

>>713981614
>but he can
He literally can't and that webm proves it.

>>713974303 (OP)
>Buy a walking simulator movie game
>Skip the walking and movie part
Reminds me of Left Alive reviews
>Survival stealth action game against giant robot, power armor and other OP shit while you have a shitty pistol to ensure you're forced to avoid them and use traps.
>All the reviews cry that the game is too hard and the enemies have too much HP because they're trying to play it like Call of Duty and try to kill everything

>>713981572
This anon huffy a hundred cubic meters of his own fart gas daily

>>713981730
They know it's arcadey but they at least try to drive without T-boning into everyone for the sake of the game.

>>713974303 (OP)
No matter how you play Death Stranding, it will inevitably be boring and tedious either way. Your best option is probably to play in a server where other players have already built roads, bridges and structures for you, and skip any cutscene that doesn't grip your attention in the first 3-5 seconds.

>>713981049
>Movie doesn't entrance you in the first 10 minutes
It's probably trash. A good movie is supposed to hook the viewer at the start, not halfway in.

>>713980717
Honestly, in every single game I like to avoid consumables as much as humanly possible, like traps in monster hunter or potions in pokemon, unless they're quintessential to the game, like pokeballs in pokemon

>>713982547
Based. I remember everyone making fun of a dude in our class who used x-attack and shit in Pokeymen Red

>>713974303 (OP)
>charlie
you mean, this guy?

>>713974303 (OP)
The entire game is literally a pro-globalism propaganda piece. How the fuck are these people so blind to not online not notice that, but fully support whatever the fuck the game stands for, advertises and tries to normalize for others?

>>713981754
>He literally can't and that webm proves it.
see that what I'm talking about, he shat all over the game and didn't struggle at all while playing it. So you use this 10s clip as a cope. his full streams of the game are on Youtube, he played the game well.

>>713982547
It's how the games are actually designed anyway
>Finally decide to use items in a gayRPG
>Curb stomp enemies left and right, obliterate the bosses
>Eventually get so low level that everything instant kill my in the first turn
>Need to speed 2 hours grinding to update my excel sheet to catch up

>>713982685
The game's tagline is "we should not have connected"

>>713982685
Have you tried analyzing something with what's actually presented instead of coming to a conclusion first and working backwards to try and find evidence of you being right?

>>713982603
The X boosts I dont mind that much, but what drives me up the wall was trying to hunt with a bunch of fags I know and they all bring seven hundred traps each plus barrels, then proceed to stunlock sleepbomb BDSM gangrape monsters before they can even defend themselves and scream at me for not bringing MORE traps since my presence inflates the monster HP. What's the fucking point of all of this garbage, that you're actively trying to not fight the fucking monster at all

>>713983173
the game presents you with an incoherent plot and retarded story written by a narcissistic, egotistic jap faggot who constantly sniffs his own farts and forced his own workers to make the gameplay "less fun" before release cause he likes to parade himself on just how 'niche' he wants to stay and not enter the mainstream when every single actor he hires to play on the game is some type of hollywood mainstream faggot. it speaks enough for itself as it is, i'm not further analyzing and wasting my time with incoherent schizo babble.

>>713983473
well at least you gave it a chance

>>713983473
You're talking about things outside of the game.

not talking about DS or whatever this is about, but lets be real, there's people obsessed with souls games who want to force any 3rd person game with sword to play like a souls game even when it's not and then complain it plays nothing like a souls game, as well as the opposite, people who want to play souls games like a casual hack'n'slash and then complain when it's not fun to play
and even outside of this souls examples, there's plenty of people who do this with other games, literally avoiding main game mechanics or trying to force game mechanics that aren't there and then complain, these type of people defintely do play games wrong

>>713983693
things that happen outside of a game can influence the way you think of or see the actual game, regardless of the story or how it actually plays. UNDERTALE being one of the examples. obnoxious faggot and pedophile furry fanbase stops you from actually wanting to go play the game.

>>713983730
they're talking about the latest released death stranding

>>713983785
>things that happen outside of a game can influence the way you think of or see the actual game
Yeah that's what my original post was referring to turbo giga retard.

>>713974303 (OP)
Please don't say games are bad, sweaty. There's no such thing. Just say it isn't for you. The only thing that's bad is being an intolerant bigot (or being a wh*te m*n).

>>713974303 (OP)
>lowers the difficulty to the easiest
>"wow this is too easy"

>>713974360
>>The game isn't bad, you just play it wrong
>Why is this argument so popular?

>just skip the broth, meat and veggies and eat raw noodles bro, isn't that the best part of ramen?

>>713983864
you're saying it like there's a problem with that mindset

>>713976662
>game about connecting
>lose connection
>lonely barren world
Seems apt

>>713983938
Being easily influenced and unable to do actual critical thinking and analysis is a problem if you want to be better than an indian leaving a youtube comment.

>>713974303 (OP)
>people watch these faggots
No idea who this particular faggot is but man why would you watch someone who sucks shit? Just stop. Why even comment? Just block them. OP you're gay.

>>713983862
i know, im just saying that the ""the game isn't bad, you just play it wrong" argument is also used for other games and it can be a fair argument

>>713983901
a game isn't something you put together like homemade food you fucking retarded. it needs to be like processed cup noodles where are the flavor and shit is right there in the cup as powder that dissolves in water over the dried noodles. you just pour water over them, aka, the bare minimum, aka starting up the game, and then the rest forms up from there.

>>713984010
>you're easily influence because.... you saw how the game is being handled by the developer himself and the type of person he is and decided by your own volition that this isn't the type of game you would want to play and that you don't really want to support someone like this... all of this using critical thinking.... and because of that... you are not using critical thinking lol
kys

>>713976736
He's right though, the bell summons make the game pathetically easy

>>713984081
And then people try to eat it with a knife and complain it's too hard, clearly the game's fault.

>>713984231
You're easily influenced because you have autism and low intelligence. The other things happen as a result of that.

>>713974303 (OP)
The purpose of a game isn't to exist and be beatable by everyone regardless of how they play. The purpose is to be fun for the audience who likes that kind of game. Being rewarded for playing well is fun. By its nature, giving the player meaningful rewards for playing well necessitates punishing the player who doesn't play well, because if it makes no difference, then who cares? And that's boring.

If you build your game around the DSPs of the world, you make your game less fun for everyone who isn't as unadaptable, uncurious, and retarded as DSP, which is actually the overwhelming majority of the gaming public. There's a reason why he's one of the universally agreed upon punching bags of the gaming community.

>you did NOT just tell Mommy's special boy what to do! I hate you!!
Yes it is possible to play a game wrong, and yes it is possible for that to ruin the game. This is true of almost any activity and you are a babbling retard if you disagree

I am I wrong to say that Shadow of the Colossus would not be popular if it came out today.
>Obtuse cryptic story
>big barren world with little to do
>occasional boss as a reward
>unsatisfying bitter ending
I feel like gamers today would hate it

>>713985547
It would be hated due to lack of yellow paint telling you where to go

>>713985547
Just say it's a indie game and NPCs will say it's the new undertale

>>713974303 (OP)
>play chess
>try to use your rear pieces like a battering ram, mindlessly taking out every enemy piece that you can
>get a one-sided ass kicking every time
>refuse to learn
>woooooow this game is horrible why are you idiots accusing me of playing the game wrong

>go to a tourist town to see a landmark
>get out of the car
>walk to the landmark without looking around at all
>destination reached
>turn around
>walk back to the car
>drive off
>woooooow that was boring how do you people find this fun

>>713981270
Yeah like Deus Ex:
>YOU CAN DO ANYTHING THE DEVS THOUGHT OF EVERY POSSIBLE CHOICE
>Uh, of course guns suck you are only supposed to use the prod

>>713987989
That's imsims in general. I'm almost positive that genre was born out of them failing to make shooting mechanics work well, so they're like "you can snap wet towels at guards and herd them into landmines!" Since imsim players are total faggots, this is fun for them because they're scared of guns.

>>713985547
People like Palworld and Souls. Saying that everyone is corrupt and stupid is such a lazy, unhelpful, and actually somewhat cowardly (because it's an easy way to justify opting out of confronting the problem) way of approaching society, and you actually make it harder to fight back against the stupid and corrupt people by pushing it.

>>713986084
Yellow paint is a product of dev laziness more than anything else. You DO need a way to show the player which objects they can interact with. Usually, that would be by using certain models for breakable/climbable/etc. objects, floating text when you get close, sparkling/shining, etc.

>>713981146
post 5 examples.

>>713974303 (OP)
>>713982606
>I hate this game
>keeps playing it anyway

>>713980196
ENTER

>>713984081
I agree, games should be slop and not require any effort or thinking on the player's part.

>>713974303 (OP)
Because DSP and people like him exist

>The game gets good after X hours
This argument is still worse.

>>713991369
It depends on how long that is. KotOR and Mass Effect 1 suffered from terrible opening acts, and picked up quickly after.

>>713981357
Nta but before figuring out the leg tech, I took too long to shit. Now it's 123 and also no ass pain. Humans need shitting lessons, cause the glitches are fucked up.