Can we reach 700k before midnight EU time?
https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home

>>714011316 (OP)
#killgames

>650K
LEGGOOOO

>>714011316 (OP)
>Can we get 50k signatures in 2 hours when it took 22 hours to get 23k?
No

>>714011316 (OP)
How long has this petition been active?

>>714011316 (OP)
I'll say it again everyone against this is: not a game developer, Contrarian, Bait, or Shill, and is simply choosing a side based on their feelings towards the scenario in their head about developers "having more work" they get paid to do these things you know thats why theyre DEVELOPERS.

The notion that all developers are widdle babies dat cant handwe dah work is faggot shit to excuse the lazy fucks in game dev or underqualified tards in over their head.

Planned Obsolecence is bad full stop.
This is a win for consumers if this works out. I feel no sympathy for million dollar corporations having a bit more work on their plate theyre going to outsource most of it regardless.

>>714011540
shut the fuck up shill
kill your worthless self

>>714011316 (OP)
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1751225649870346.mp4
>only just need 35k more signatures needed
Thank you moldman! I GOT TO MAKE MOVIES!

>>714011651
I support SKG, I'm just being realistic.

It's telling how the shills for this movement don't even pretend to care about saving games like The Crew, they just want to hurt corporations that make games for no reason. Unfocused bitterness and loserdom as a political movement, sad and scary.

GIVE THE MOLDMAN YOUR POWER!!!!!

>>714011709
Bait repost
Ignore
DNI

>>714011316 (OP)
this might be a controversial statement, but Ross sucks. he gave up because thor bullied him into doing it. Ross should have kept the fight up. He's just as responsible for the death of video games at this point as Thor.

>>714011316 (OP)
Holy FLOP
>>714011549
An ENTIRE year, this shot just sucks so bad they have no shot.

They blame their flop flopping on a random e-celeb they've been stalking, gossiping, doxing and harassing btw.

Utterly deranged the rossdrones are.

>>714011316 (OP)
*blocks your path*

>>714011805
Maybe if they didn’t attack anyone who criticizes them they would have more support. But the need to troll is too strong amongst gamers.

>>WE HAD NO IDEA THAT THE GAME COULD POSSIBLY END ITS LIFE CYCLE AT SOME POINT
>Actually it says right here in the EULA that this can happen.
>>BUT I DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE EULA BEFORE I BOUGHT IT
>Yes you did, it's freely available online. Plus, you have the option to refund if you disagree with the EULA after purchase.
>>B-BUT I CAN'T BE EXPECTED TO READ A CONTRACT BEFORE AGREEING TO IT, WHAT IF IT SAYS THEY CAN KILL ME?
>That's silly, plus this argument is about informed consent. You can't claim that you weren't informed if you agreed to the contract.

Case closed. It's called personal responsibility.

>>714011904
EULA are not valid in the EU, try again

>>714011625
They're people being paid to do that by companies, at least it should be due to how unnatural the hate feels

kek this shit is so dead
I'll enjoy the shitposting when the deadline hits and this spam general finally fucks off

>>714011885
CUNT FAGGOT

>>714011904
too bad, all you had to do was not acting like a greedy caricature of a jew, yet you failed at that, so we are here now.

>>714011904
>defending corporations breaking the games you bought
you're not human

>>714011904
4chan EULA says I get to fuck your ass.
Should have read it before posting, anon.

>>714011316 (OP)
Where do I sign to kill all the games?

>>714011964
Yes they are. Why would you think something so wrong?

>>714011904
EULA is legally not binding and violates freedom of speech and freedom of choice

>>714011625
To add onto this: more developers are hurt under the current situation than they would be with even the worst possible scenario of StopKillingGames. Devs get paid by the hour and if they're tasked to make some kind of offline mode, then they're getting paid. I think they'd prefer having to do some bullshit server coding and have their game always be available for sale than not and have it get shut down in a year, then they get fired when it's gone.

>>714011968
Ever consider that you guys just did a bad job with publicity?

>>714011995
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOO

>>714011660
kek

>>714012164
If that’s true, where are all of the big name developers who support this movement?

>>714011885
he needs to be baited to say something retarded again

>>714011995
>Hi, I'm just a normal person. Why should I sign your petition?
>>BECAUSE PIRATE IS AGAINST IT! YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS? HE DISAGREED WITH ROSS! HE'S A NEPOBABY INDUSTRY PLANT THAT IS TRYING TO SABOTAGE A CONTINENT WIDE PETITION BY MAKING A YOUTUBE VIDEO SAYING IT'S A BAD IDEA! ALSO HE'S A TRANNY THAT RAPES ANIMALS! JUST LOOK AT THESE TWITTER SCREENSHOTS!
>Uhhh... good luck with that... I have to go to work now.

>>714011660
>Not only do I not wanna back this, I'm gonna actually tell people not to
Based.

What happens when they reach the goal? Does the EU just take it into consideration or do they have to pass a law?

>>714012294
>be developer
>say you are against your corporation's policies publicly
>mysteriously not hired by that company anymore

>>714012294
No one supports this outside of faggots obsessed with e-celebs, also >>714011904

>>714012294
Everywhere, did you even look?

>>714012294
Because they don't want to be fired from their employer?!

>>714012503
Indie developers exist who are under no such restrictions. Stop making up excuses.

>>714012294
Why would a company be for a movement to make less money lmao stupid ass.

>but what about devs?

Most of them arent going to speak out on most topics because they avoid drama and controversy to avoid blacklisting in the industry or just dont give a fuck eitherway because theyre gonna he paid to work in either scenario.

>>714012536
Trust me I know. They wouldn’t be begging for signatures if it were popular.
They will just keep pretending in some big conspiracy like this
>>714012547
>>714012540
>>714012590

To them, game devs are literal slaves to their corporate overlords who have zero ability to speak out.

>>714012562
>Indie developers exist who are under no such restrictions
Indie developers don't generally make the kinds of games that this legislation would even apply to, and there are actually plenty of indie devs who have supported the initiative.

>>714012689
Ok who

>>714011904
So developers are incentivized by greedy publishers to purposefully attach any online component just for the excuse that they will disable it some day to force you to buy sequel, got it great practice.

>>714012562
Reading comprehension must be lost on you so let me help you out.

>>714012294
>where are all of the big name developers who support this movement?
contradicting the publisher is a death sentence, faggotron.
do you want them to get blacklisted by the industry you sperg?

>>714011316 (OP)
Players will win. Shills will hang. Corporations will burn. Americans will seethe. Kikes will be gassed.

>>714012663
So you're just baiting engagement?

>>714012562
Here's one. Funded by Mold Man and still speaking out against him. Indie devs in full support of SKG.

Can someone explain the point of this petition?
Why can't you just not buy live service games?
Sounds a lot easier than asking daddy gubment to save you from your bad decisions

>>714012663
>yes goy just don't inform others that there's an initiative for consumer rights, they'll find out automagically if you don't tell them
are you retarded?

>>714012795
Name a 'big name developer'

>>714012795
Big name does not mean AAA. Stardew valley developer is an easy example.

You just need people who have made popular indie games. Surely you have a few of them, right?

>>714012294
This post is proof that the people against this movement are either literally retarded or naive children who don't matter anyway.

>>714012905
Why do anything that improves anything when you can just be a defeatist cuck?

>>714012763
Running With Scissors.

>>714012905
read the FAQ

>>714012905
>amerifat can't even fathom a government that works in the interest of the people

>>714012294
This is a misdirection. How exactly is the opinion of a "big name developer" relevant to the topic?

>>714012872
I’ve never heard of that game. Maybe this is why there aren’t enough signatures?
>>714012908
You guys actively ridicule people for not immediately supporting your petition.

>>714011316 (OP)
>european union introduced legislation so citizens can express their views on important issues like the genocide in palastine
>alt right chuds abuse it because they think the jews are taking away their video game toys
honestly pathetic.

>>714012461
They will look at it, go "I don't understand this new-fangled video games nonsense", then we will go right back to square one.

>>714012349
Who're you quoting? Nobody here has a job.

>714013052
do you intend to keep this act going all day for (You) s? it's not going to work

>>714013024
K that’s a good one. Thanks for actually answering unlike the others.
>>714013038
Anon, it’s a simple question. Stop being so disingenuous.

>>714012905
>why not just not buy the games? Idiots
>over 70% of games have become always online live service games

Let me spell it out for you zoomers.
When fortnite pulls the plug goodbye to your thousands of skins that you grinded for because theyre server authenticated. No server No Game and all your progress is gone forever

I could use some kind of compilation of picture mosaic of Moldman face for the memes creation

>>714013029
the FAQ doesn't explain why you are playing shit games
so care to elaborate?

>>714013052
>You guys actively ridicule people for not immediately supporting your petition.
No, people who willfully misrepresent what the initiative is about.

>>714013093
Tim cook thought so aswell

>>714013148
"Why do you care about this subject at all" is also a simple question. Stop being so disingenuous.

Lost forever... never again

>>714012905
Because all games are becoming live service games.
>"um no not me I will pirate and emulate everything and not ever use steam and only ever buy the right games"
Good for you, still doesn't change the fact that the companies ruining your favourite franchises are getting rich off of literally scamming people who don't know how fucked the industry is.

>>714013154
>Let me spell it out for you zoomers.
can you spell it out for some 32yo guy who doesn't play live service trash instead? :)

>>714013214
You guys think everyone who doesn’t agree with you is misrepresenting the movement.
>>714013231
I didn’t ask that question, though. You’re so damaged that you think everyone is trying to troll you.

I wonder why he's been working on this for 9 years

>>714011316 (OP)
>Can we reach 700k before midnight EU time?
700k will likely happen on Tuesday.

>>714013202
Seems you're only here to shit up the thread.

Did anyone managed to write e-mail to Pewdiepie? Under his last video I found some comments with mentioning of SKG. They had about 100-200 likes each.

>>714013282
Nah, you're too old to form new thoughts

>>714012905
I want to play Gran Turismo 7 without internet connection.

>>714013242
>Saaaaaar keep this 30 year flash game online FOREVER, i dont care if you enslave your employees to do it, do it NOW!!!

>>714013296
>You guys think everyone who doesn’t agree with you is misrepresenting the movement.
No, I think the false claims about the initiative by specific people are misrepresenting the movement.

>>714013219
I don't know who that is but he's probably right.
Current regulators of all nations are DANGEROUSLY out of touch with current technology and it's creating a massive problem with companies like google and apple essentially trying to take over society under the government's nose.

>>714013282
No you sound like a fag, figure it out yourself Im younger than you and can figure it out. Go be a "doesnt effect me so I dont care" retard somewhere else you add nothing to the conversation

>>714012905
>Can someone explain the point of this petition?
I'll help however I can. What exactly is your question?
>Why can't you just not buy live service games?
Because it's an abusive business practice that currently operates in a market grey zone. It not only degrades consumer rights to a very large extent, but also cheapens the creative process of developing games making them disposable.
>Sounds a lot easier than asking daddy gubment to save you from your bad decisions
Can law be just?

>>714011904
And it's called corporate responsibility to make an end of life plan for your game.

>>714013314
OOF! Its so joever....

>>714013387
>yes goy just move on to our next game. you'll love buying your cards all over again!
post nose

Your honor, I would like to submit to the court that we're doing numbers, big numbers, probably gonna be a million before the fourth of July, maybe, who can say? All I know your honor is that over a decade ago EA killed Darkspore, a dinky little game, but one I kind of liked you know? It was colorful and had some good music, I loved the robot that shot bullets in a wave around him and I think it could've used a sequel, or maybe some fan content to build on existing systems. Shame we'll never get that your honor, because EA killed it, but just because I've suffered doesn't mean future gamers should have to see their purchases smashed right in front of their faces and get told that it's inevitable.

>>714013387
It doesn't require developers to do that at all.

>>714013296
I'm pro-killing games retard. I know the real reasons why SKG is bad and I actually make those arguments because I have actual integrity, believe in my principles, and will actually work to convert people. I am not just trying to troll SKG like you are.

>>714013395
>I don't know who that is
Then you're a moron and your opinion is irrelevant

>>714011904
Free People can't sign away their rights, which are given to them by GOD ALMIGHTY, yes even your rights as a customer. We only recognise these rights, they are not given, they are intrinsic to your experience as a human

>>714013394
False claims such as? Surely it’s something beyond /v/ trolling.
Being serious here, I see the dumb PirateSoftware nigger mentioned but I don’t know how he’s involved.

All I know is I don’t like him because he isn’t actually a pirate.

>>714011316 (OP)
FUCK videogames

bruh the same arguments are being recycled at least for 3 days by now 24/7, you do nothing all day except arguing on 4chan? this shit is insane

>>714013296
>everyone who doesn’t agree with you is misrepresenting the movement

That's %100 correct. You need to be a braindead retard to be against the legal right to keep what you paid for.
The most disingenuous argument that is still regularly made in these threada is that a corporation stealing their goods back from customers is even remotely legitimate in any way.

>>714013157
Same. I want to make more Game Dungeon edits.

>>714013387
>flash
what? it was a full fledged windows tag force mmorpg with an exe?

>>714013301
mein gott

>>714013553
such as
>>714013387

And other posts in this thread.

>>714013351
Do it yourself.
I don't care enough to.

how is there not 1 million gamers in all of europe? it's not a very high number.

>>714013301
Holy crap reminds me of those /g/ memes

>>714013527
I think you’re lying.

>>714013316
>>714013371
>>714013372
>>714013425
>>714013445
sounds like you have shit taste and play live service trash
you deserve this shit, I hope your shitty petition fails :)

>>714013515
We've got the biggest petition, the best. Never seen a petition quite as big as this one, folks.

>>714013603
So you have no argument? Isn't that proof your movement is for retards

>>714013543
Kill yourself, e-celeb worshipping zoomer filth.

>>714013282
>but how does it affect you personally?

>>714013673
That’s typical /v/ trolling, anon.

>>714013301

Sometimes I am honestly shocked in surprise as to how so many Americans has this instinctive reaction of defending fucking corporations, entities they have completely no control or oversight over.

>>714012872
"mold man" Is Ross, the guy who started the movement. Pretty sure he got called that because his house got a black mold infestation or something.

>>714013781
>e-celeb
Lmao, I was right about dismissing you as a retard

>>714013565
Noticed that too, there is way too many retarded contrarian argument over and over again.
> dont buy it then
> i dont want to dox myself (every person saying this is not from EU)
> think of the poor big companies that fucked up our video games, let let them have more control!
> EULA is a word of GOD!

>>714013730
Doesn't this kind of insincerity hurt you, brother?

>>714013870
Who is defending corporations, bootlicker?

>>714013730
woah this guy is epic he must be like the joker IRL or something that's pretty cool

>>714013870
the goyim are well trained

>>714013870
It's because we own stock in those corporations. What's good for corporations is good for us. I freely admit I am pro killing games because it is in my own financial interests.

>>714013810
No, he's using humor but there's no indication that he doesn't literally believe that as well, and this specifically is one of the claims that PirateSoftware has made about the initiative as well.

>>714013870
nobody is defending corporations, people are laughing at you for playing live service trash in the first place

>>714013918
Soon you’ll learn how to detect trolls on 4chan.

>>714013870
How is that surprising? They've been thoroughly jewified. They will suck and slurp on corporate kike cock all day.

>>714013301
What the fuck am I looking at, why the code so shit?

>>714013918
>> dont buy it then
has there ever been a good argument against this?

>>714013991
You expect discord shills to make an actual argument?

This is an e-celeb thread

>>714013990
Anon I don’t think you understand. There are people on /v/ who are bored and will entertain themselves by trolling your movement. They don’t give a fuck either way, but you are here to troll so that is how they will entertain themselves.

Stop taking these comments seriously, please.

>>714013991
>people are laughing at you for playing live service trash in the first place
Actually even if you don't play them it's good to disincentivize developers from making these kinds of business models when that money could be going towards better projects.

>>714013730
>play live service trash
thats the thing this shit is infiltrating every ip, you kinda proved a point as to why we need this.

>>714013301
and here Ithought my code was dogshit

>>714013991
>victim blaming

>>714013983
Show portfolio

>>714014123
>ACTUALLY
lmao

>>714013991
You cant activate and play fable 2 on PC anymore because of this bs

>>714013730
You responded exactly how I expected a 32yr old to respond, are you gonna write about chuds and incels on twitter and talk about how much you love muslims who actively throw gays off the roof and beat their women into oppressed states? I'm sure you're all for womens rights but think it's okay for muslims to rape their women and stone them to death all while you hate your christian dad uhm cry about it sweatyyy, nail polish emoji

>>714014087
I think that you just don't want to engage with the fact that the people who are against this *are* literally this stupid.

>24k now
Maybe we'll get to like 26-27 today, but it'll still be a few thousand short of yesterday. I really hope the slow down doesn't continue like this

Only fatbalds sign this goofy ahh shih from Ohio fr

>>714014123
>Actually even if you don't play them it's good to disincentivize developers from making these kinds of business models when that money could be going towards better projects
yes instead of supplying billions of people with phones worth thousands of dollars we should use that money to cure cancer and feed the hungry right you retarded commie

>>714014217
I’ve been here for long enough that I know better than to create boogiemen to justify my beliefs.
Obviously, you haven’t developed that skill yet.

>>714014059
Has there ever been a good argument for? Or are we going to pretend that "voting with your wallet" isn't completely meaningless? Regulating GAAS and defining proper consumer rights is something that helps everyone and avoid predatory business behavior that is becoming more and more fashionable.

>>714013701
The movement is being actively misrepresented by companies with billions of dollars and millions of third-world employees.

It's tremendously difficult for a movement like this to gain traction when so much money is being invested in stopping it.

Many don't realize just how much profit is on the line with Always-online systems. All publishers make deals to get cuts of income based on how much their game is played on Xbox Live, PSN, and Switch Online.
If Always-Online as a concept is literally outlawed, these pieces of shit stand to lose BILLIONS of dollars in potential future revenue.

These companies are going to spare no expense fighting this initiative. It's why you are seeing the most deranged anti-consumer arguments you can imagine in these threads. Anonymity enables no accountability so they say whatever they can to dissuade anyone they can.

>>714014059
You not buying it does not stop the practice, which in turn WILL affect you eventually. See subscription models for cars.

>>714014192
Yes, you have been corrected, you are welcome.
>merely pretending
Good for you?

>>714014220
You guys should be spending your effort spamming this shit on Twitch instead of on 4chan.

>>714014283
>yes instead of supplying billions of people with phones worth thousands of dollars we should use that money to cure cancer and feed the hungry right you retarded commie
What is this absurd leap?
I want better videogames. That's it. That's all this is about.

>>714013730
I DON'T WANT LIVE SERVICE BULLSHIT PERMEATING GAMES I WANT TO PLAY, FAGGOT

FUCK

YOU

>>714014059
I am a fan of xyz series, new game comes up its infested with online bullshit, not every person will outweigh always online, especially normies, and companies will put this shit everywhere, its a slow boiling frog problem.

>>714014198
Fable 2 was never on PC

>>714014220
Too many retards are arguing with trolls on 4chan instead of spamming this to Twitch, Kick and Youtube streamers.

>>714014298
Voting with your wallet (aka boycott) is the only thing that actually matters. Just look at Bud Light.

>>714014294
Okay, you just showed me how easy it was to troll you.

>>714014440
play better games then lol
works on my machine

JUST SIGN THE DAMN THING

>>714013771
Shut up, retard. Wasn't arguing. Didn't ask.

>>714013301
>>714013509
God, three nested if-clauses and a triple nested switch case is a strong code smell. And why is 'did we talk to Sad Terry?' a switch? That seems like True or False thing.
This is why for dialog heavy games you need to use some sort of custom encoding like
>Hey, How're you doing?
>q:[f:response_to_freds_question, good, bad]
>[good][e:smile] Nice! It's good to see you're doing well!
>[bad][e:frown] Oh, well I hope you feel better
>[bad][p:5]
>f:[killed_the_albetros][e:grim_face] Hey, I heard about that whole thing with the bird, don't let it get you down okay?

Then you have a parser that'll handle things like question prompts, marking flags, and handling branches.
There's also a bunch of visual scripting solutions that'll generate the stuff above from a DAG, but you can get a long way with just text.

>>714014304
Now this is cope. The real answer is that no one knows about this movement.

>>714014479
I will concede that Bud Light was very successful. But this was an obvious exception.

>>714013904
Shut up, zoomer vermin.
We're talking about things that matter, not some faggot you jerk off to before you go to sleep.

>>714014294
Anon, this argument started with you complaining about people getting ridiculed for not supporting this, now you're insisting they're all just being disingenuous because I pointed out how obviously wrong they are. Yes, that's probably true of a lot of them, I don't think that matters though.

It sounds like you just agree with me now but you're looking for a reason to keep arguing.

>>714013513
By the way that's basicly what the official statement by Konami was

>>714014483
lol good luck with your petition, anon.
>>714014576
It was the first real boycott in forever. Goes to show that threatening their bottom line is ALWAYS the only thing that matters.

>>714014571
>650k votes
>"no one knows about this movement"
talk about cope

>>714014479
>Voting with your wallet (aka boycott) is the only thing that actually matters
Voting with your wallet almost never works, anon. You not buying a $30 game doesn't matter if a single whale will buy a $120 supporter pack and spend $500 on microtransactions.
"Vote with your wallet" is literally just a meme.

>>714011316 (OP)
Where did the voter map go?

>>714014647
Kek, it's crazy that you're willing to embarrass yourself like this rather than look it up.

>>714014059
Being over the age of 30 and understanding it does literally nothing to stop retards from destroying your hobby.

>>714014673
Anon you keep creating boogieman to excuse the obvious reason as to why this petition isn’t complete: you guys haven’t been advertising to the correct people.

>>714014087
I don't appreciate you implying that my fellow Americans are not sickengly retarded corporation-worshipping filth.

>>714014738
How long has this petition been running? It needs 250k signatures in a month or it’s doomed.
>>714014743
It’s quite literally the only thing that matters. It’s why blizzard pivoted into their classic wow crap instead of doubling down on retail.

>game says it's live service
>"oh god I hate live service games better buy it then!"
>ff few years, game shuts down
>"WOW HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN DO SOMETHING @EU @FBI @COMMIES"
cool petition, definitely going to sign it lol

>>714014479
Bud Light only worked because it was dancing on a razor's edge already It was the default pisswater, but no one actually liked it. It didn't take much to dethrone it.

>>714014942
Who is she quoting?

>>714014690
>Goes to show that threatening their bottom line is ALWAYS the only thing that matters.
It's the only course of action because it worked... once? Anon, doesn't it shame you to waste people's time like this? How do you justify this unfortunate self-amusement of yours?

>>714014738
Over the course of this whole campaign I haven't seen anyone else who knows about this campaign and I keep in touch with literally over 100 people.
It's not anywhere in the news. There are no flyers anywhere. It's not on the radio. It effectively does not exist where I live.

>>714014953
>didn’t take much to dethrone it
Wow imagine that. Consumers of a product have to be willing to no longer consume for it to work.

>>714014921
momentum is there

>>714014803
>Anon you keep creating boogieman to excuse the obvious reason as to why this petition isn’t complete
That's not what the conversation was about at all, that's what you want to pivot to.

>>714014059
I want the devs who do that to be forced to suffer. Simple as.
Because fuck you.

>>714014993
It’s the only form of collective action that has been shown to actually threaten corpos.

Corpos only care about their bottom line. Thus, threatening their bottom line is the only way to influence them.

skgbros can we talk shop for a minute? like real business stuff
it would have been better for our movement to have a representative that's not a norwooding incel
I know I know, attacking the person or credentials instead of the argument, but I mean, how is someone who looks like asmongold and who's also a mutt that can't even sign the thing in the first place supposed to convince others to do the same, when his audience is mainly american?
are there any famous and handsome european youtubers that pick off the slack or something?
pewdiepie is currenty in his linux/piracy/anti-jewgle/anti-corporations arc, he's the ideal candidate for this to make the last big push to 1 mil.

Some European swine in the last thread was insisting that the concept of Americans worshipping corporations and always leaping to defend them under all circumstances was disingenuous or made-up and I want that faggot to know I still hate him and his paranoid schizophrenia.

>>714014942
Yes, correct, we are against developers killing games regardless of whether or not they tell everyone ahead of time.

>>714015039
How long has the petition been open?
>>714015045
go ahead and change what the conversation is about, then. Not doing yourself any favors.

You fuckers know what's coming if you vote for this petition right? You know the consequences of inviting the government to intervene in the video games, knowing full well and probably lived through the 90s to 2000s where it was full of paranoid and delusional old men trying to dictate the rules and censor the fuck out of everything right? This is going to be even worse than that because now you have those same old men who now see the monetary incentive to fuck shit up and you fuckers are straight up kicking and screaming to come save you.

This won't be the government salvation you guys are hoping for, this won't even be the corpo vs government clash either, this will come entirely at your expense. They WILL fuck your shit up, anyone that has been around long enough knows not to trust the government and it's appalling to me that none of you can see Ross as the glowie that he clearly is. Why else would he go to such lengths to push this shit and throw on a full mask under the guise of caring for destroyed games? Why else has there been such a massive outbreak of supposed ecelebs throwing their weight into this all of the sudden when the natural response was to veer as far away as possible from this clear glowie psy op? They know now that they can get some headway and they've been going into overdrive to push for this and you idiots are falling for it.

If there's any among you that still possesses a brain, I implore you to not sign this shit. Don't give it attention, don't give it any time of day. This shit has so many malicious layers to it that it would be wise to not interact with it at all, and to say nothing on the long term ramifications against the average consciousness should it go through. Do you really believe that you aren't throwing away your personal information for the government to "leak away" in a year's time when this is over?

>>714015117
You're still pretending to be retarded. And I don't understand your motives other than this being some kind of perverse self-amusement of yours.

>>714015136
>it would have been better for our movement to have a representative that's not a norwooding incel
This movement is not about the looks, it's about the intent.

>>714014571
You are a fucking retard if you think there aren't entire teams dedicated to looking for and dismantling pro-consumer movements in the US.
These companies operate worldwide.

You are not just wrong. You are stupid.

>>714015214
People ITT will take this post seriously to confirm their boogiemen.

>>714015246
Watching you angry fucks is greatly amusing to me, yes.

WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER

DO NOT UNDER ESTIMATE THE POWER OF POSITIVE THOUGHT! ESPECIALLY COLLECTIVE POSITIVE THOUGHT!

THIS SHIT IS GOING TO REACH $1,000 EASILY!
HOLD THAT THOUGHT AND VISUALIZE IT IN YOUR MIND EVERYDAY AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE STARTING NOW AND IT WILL MANIFEST INTO REALITY. DO IT! I'M NOT JOKING!

VISUALIZE AS OFTEN AND AS DETAILED AS POSSIBLE!

EVERYTHING IS ENERGY AND VIBRATION
ATTUNE YOUR VIBRATIONS TO MATCH THAT OF MONEY AND IT WILL FLOW TO YOU

>>714015194
petition gained around 250k in just a few days, what exactly is your point here? don't bullshit me with hypotheticals now

>>714014921
>It’s why blizzard pivoted into their classic wow crap instead of doubling down on retail.
No, they just wanted to increase their earnings without doing much.

>>714015039
No, it's not. The statistics are projecting a result of 700k-950k.

>>714015194
>How long has the petition been open?
11 months, but it literally stalled after the first 2 month and only got a tiny bit of momentum in December. It just clearly hasn't been promoted anywhere. Everyone expected Ross to do it and everyone was too autistic to reach out to more popular voices.

>>714014785
I didn't give you permission to speak to me. You don't get a real response.

>>714015287
Why would they spend money preventing some petition that hasn’t even been accepted yet? They would spend that effort influencing the EU officials who would be weighing in on this situation.

But go ahead, keep creating excuses.

>>714015353
what statistics

>>714015287
its painfully normal for cultists to pretend like they are being harassed by some sort of entity or are victims of a conspiracy

being the target of a conspiracy is much easier for them to swallow than the idea that just normal people may not view their behavior or ideology as acceptable

>>714015021
So what? If what you're saying it that this should've been organised more intelligently with flyers, boots on the ground, media presence, etc. then I obviously agree with you. I'm not a fan of Ross's naïvety. But this petition was more wildly successful as-is than any other online only thing I know.

>>714011316 (OP)
we.. lost the technology. unlocking the arcane secrets of the ancients is too far beyond us now. turn back.

Should Feeders and Seeders also sign this initiative?

>>714015353
>>momentum is there
>nn-no it's not
Shut up faggot lmao

>>714015335
Sounds like hopium. This petition has been running for a while now.
>>714015353
> No, they just wanted to increase their earnings without doing much.
That’s what voting with your wallet means, retard. The corpos see fleeing revenue and chase it.

> Everyone expected Ross to do it and everyone was too autistic to reach out to more popular voices.
Well these guys are fucking autistic so it’s no surprise. Zero social skills whatsoever.

>>714015304
So you're just here wasting your time. And ours. Why? How do you justify this to yourself?

>>714013624
Something interesting about this is comparing it to bits I've found of Undertale's dialog system.
It has numbered cases for all the dialog in the game, which I assume encounters store, the text is set based on responses from the player and encounter, then played. It's not such a bad system honestly.
The problem I see in these screenshots is that there's four to six nested levels, which is hard to reason about.

I donated to Thor today during his livestream just to make you all mad

>>714015503
Does the EU allow redos for petitions?

>>714015606
post it (you won't)

>>714014738
Not him, and I don't mean to demean the petition, or support scummy business practices, but 650k really is a drop in the ocean. No one who actually needs to make the changes proposed here cares about that number.

>>714015606
fool is easily parted with his money

>>714015582
Because he's a seething discord faggot

>AAHHHH BROS THIS IS LITERALLY TRAN GENOCIDE, WE CAN'T HAVE OUR GAMES UNLESS DADDY CORPORATION IS RUNNING THE SERVERS AHHHH STOP THE COMMIES
or something
honestly it's funny how millennials gaslighted themselves into thinking that before it was somehow different and there weren't community-hosted private servers and it was actually a pretty normal thing
then in barely 15 years everyone was mindraped into thinking that unless daddy corporation gives you a loicense then you don't own anything and never will

>>714015582
Ah yes, because you’re posting on 4chan for reasons other than to waste your time.
Retard lmao.

Based KING
https://files.catbox.moe/219ax6.mp4

>>714014803
>you guys haven’t been advertising to the correct people

This is probably the only valid criticism of the entire movement.
Ross actively rejected big name interviews because he wanted to virtue signal about being leftist.

Amongold for instance actively wanted to interview him.
Now look at what happened.

Ross said it himself. He's the weakest part of this movement and somebody else really needs to step in.
The issue is that everyone with the means to signal boost has no real reason to care about always-online restrictions because they make money always-online and genuinely cannot fathom how someone could be negatively affected by the practice.

Something tells me that even if this particular petition fails, this is far from over. Too many passionate autists have learned it's possible to fight this anti-human bullshit.

>>714015535
Keep coping. Unless the next week's social media spam actually works, it's just going to fizzle out at 750k-850k.

>>714015581
>That’s what voting with your wallet means
No, it doesn't.

how does it feel knowing you be at a solid 200k without roach software's antics stirring up controversy and getting attention?

>>714015758
Why are e-celeb shills so angry?

>>714015674
I'm not sure. Ross in many ways fucked it up. I respect his initiative and his innocence and all, but we're talking about den of snakes here, he is not equipped to deal with the reality of this situation. This would've been over and done with in a couple of months if there actually was some kind of strategic planing.

>>714015842
You sound scared

>>714015909
because all e-celeb shills are drone NPCs

>>714015758
Shut up, kike.
You don't have the right to steal products back from people.

>>714015881
why do the commie shills supporting this care so much about eceleb faggotry?

>>714015960
I'm not stealing anything, I have a right to keep using the stuff I paid money for
keep seething jeet

>>714015964
a movement is nothing without a leader, a villain, and lore

>>714015825
There’s another layer to it. People who actually dislike always online games simply don’t play them, so you’re stuck in a situation where the people who should care the most are already bought into the system.

The people who agree with the movement don’t understand why they should take action to help the people actively being exploited, since said people are willing participants.

This wouldn’t be an issue if gambling laws applied to video games, but I got yelled off of /v/ for bringing that up over a decade ago.

>>714015881
Pretty good. That dumb faggot Streissand-effected himself.

>>714015960
>Shut up, kike.
>You will give me my goyslop and I will slurp it up.

Do you guys think it's going to make it?

HOLY SHIT PIRATESOFTWARE JUST KILLED HIMSELF

>>714016109
No

>>714015920
You can’t pin the entire movement on one guy. Someone could have easily advertised it without Ross.

This is a classic example of everyone supporting something and just assuming the ground work would be handled by someone else.

>>714015760
I actually believe in the justice of this initiative. And I make it a point of never wasting my time in whatever I do, even posting on 4chan. Or talking to you. I understand that every person has infinite dignity, and I would never act in a way that it shames my deeply held convictions or my moral understanding of reality.

Insincerity wounds you, brother. Act in such a matter that doesn't hurt yourself. That is all I have to say to you.

>>714016051
No, you piece of shit.
Selling someone a product then disabling it like a service is illegal.
As soon as a single regulator realizes this, your scam is done.

Fuck you to death.

>>714015589
>comparing it to bits I've found of Undertale's dialog
Undertale was created by a 0 coding experience musician. Not someone who writes in MS paint windows how everyone at Blizzard was very dumb but as a very smart programming expert he told them to do very smart thing

So is anybody here doing anything other than sitting around and waiting? Sending emails? Telling family? etc.

>>714016109
32 days is plenty of time to shit on ferret guy for extra visibility, I'm thinking it will make it.

>>714016109
yes, it will make ~1,000,000 signatures and skiggers will rejoice, and then the very next day after reviewing the validity of the petition they will drop 100k-ish of the sigs for being invalid, putting them back below the threshold, and then we will get to mock them for a solid week until they never post again

>>714016063
>>714016152
>discordshill
>redditposting

Why is the janny allowing the thread now? Did the big janny law down the law?

>>714016161
>unhinged schizo babble
don't care didn't read kill yourself
I will mod my games
I will use private servers
I will require you to have an end of life patch
and I will be happy

>>714015825
>>714015920
Real

>>714016153
Your vitriol is hilarious considering I also believe in what the petition is about. I just think you faggots horribly managed the movement and actively made zero attempts to not be prissy faggots who scare away any potential supporter.

You have no one to blame but yourself.

>>714016161
why so dumb? is it an act for attention? or do you actually believe this? just level with me

>>714016193
i sent exactly ONE mail, got no response and got immediately demoralized

>>714016152
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that. I have the greatest respect for Ross. But this should've been crowd funded and crowd sourced to a very large extent.

>>714016193
Yeah I'm sitting here waiting for someone to explain why I should sign it but I only got called names

>>714016257
Containment thread for e-celebfags

>>714016257
Xhe realized it was friendly fire since it's trannies spamming this trash.

>>714016313
I didn’t mean to suggest you implied that. Sorry, it was more just commentary on the situation than a direct response.

I’m hoping some of the other lurkers can learn lessons from this for when this petition is rebooted.

>>714016109
Most likely not. The projections say it'll land anywhere between 750k (absolute worst case scenario) and 950k (absolute best case scenario)
So, it's probably going to be ~150k off target.

>>714016063
In the case of Hitman this is easily the biggest problem with Always-Online.
Hitman in particular has a massive disparity in the fandom where most fans hate always-online but the only people playing the new games and giving IOI feedback or posting about it are completely indoctrinated and will actively defend the concept of a game that disables most of it's features and kicks you back to the main menu at random because IOI has servers made out of bubblegum and string.

There's no way to solve this problem. The only solution is to get support elsewhere and make those retards adapt to the change when it happens. (Not that it will even affect them meaningfully)

Every e-celeb supporting this initiative is American. Not a single European streamer or tuber has posted anything. Why are euros so cucked.

>>714016291
I said what I had to and have nothing more to say to you. God bless you, brother.

>>714016291
>I just think you faggots horribly managed the movement and actively made zero attempts to not be prissy faggots who scare away any potential supporter.

This right here. I also support the idea behind the movement, but the behavior of the retards pushing it online was abhorent and divisive.

This was SUCH an easy win, the only way to have gotten here was to have fucked it up by letting ideologically compromised tribalists lose to stir up shit with imaginary enemies, causing you to look like shit and cast doubt on your intentions.

HOW do you even fuck this up?

>>714016073
Oh now it's goyslop?
I thought it was your precious high quality IP that you to defend by any means necessary.

Kill yourself.

>>714016506
look at it the other way
>mutts need to latch on anything happening on the other continent because they are defenseless cattle that's getting whipped by corporations in their own country, meanwile for europeans it's an average day like any other

>>714016257
Off topic ebegging is now apparently allowed. That means that it is your duty as a 4channel poster to troll, shitpost, and derail all of these shill threads.

>>714016503
Hitman is a good example of what this petition is about.

Maybe for the reboot some volunteers could spend some time articulating the issues as applied to each game that is afflicted with this issue. It would greatly help communicate the issue and avoid the political mire.

This movement shouldn’t be a partisan issue at all. Both right and left have beliefs that apply here.

>>714016613
Reddit space harder.

>>714016109
No.
Gamers are the stupidest people on Earth.
Their favorite passtime is getting fucked in the ass by a corporation.

>>714016318
Even if you're not personally affected by this (for example you don't pay for anything with DRM or always-online requirement), you'd help your friends or family preserve their purchased video games (or even other digital content in future if this sets a precedent for those)

>>714016546
God bless.

>>714016652
>That means that it is your duty as a 4channel poster to troll, shitpost, and derail all of these shill threads.

>>714016742
>he fell for it
>>714016318
fag

>>714016551
This movement is disingenuous as fuck, it's not surprising when you consider it all started from someone getting butthurt at buying a product was clearly shit and was going to be sunsetted.

Now their next tactic is a mass smear campaign at anyone who criticizes them.

>>714016864
>proving his point

>>714013991
this initiative is not just about live service assfaggots and gachashit. modern games lock you out of multiplayer once the plug is pulled, which is preposterous. hell, in some cases the entire game stops working (pic related)
corporations shouldn't have killswitches like that

>>714016551
The American election probably torpedoed this movement. It really should be a non partisan issue but things like the DSA are too prevalent right now for this petition to survive without being associated with it.

Tying this into US vs EU political fighting was a terrible mistake for the movement.

The movement dried out around 500k, it got a little momentum because of the PS drama, but it will fail again

and its prettty normal

>>714016946
so don't buy those games?

New bread, MIGRATE!

>>714016897

>>714016278
>I will mod my games
>I will use private servers

These are quickly becoming a thing of the past, retard.
Still based though.

>>714016982
W pirate software won

>>714017020
how about you don't lock people out of their games you anti-consumer piece of garbage?

I love the euro vampires still up at this time still trickling in.

>>714016291
>THIS MOVEMENT HAS TOO MANY BIG MEANIES IT WILL NEVER WORK

Add this argument to the list.

>>714016742
Frankly, there's no reason the hypothetical law/regulation that results from the initiative wouldn't apply to ALL SOFTWARE.

>>714016506
I personally don't know a single European youtuber or streamer other than Hypnoshark. And he only does retro console content (mainly Crash Team Racing), so he probably wouldn't be interested in promoting this. Even if he was, he's off for a week I think.
I exclusively watch American and Canadian content creators. I assume the same applies to many other Eurobros. I would probably cringe if I had to find and interact with any of local e-celebs.

>>714015825
>Amongold for instance actively wanted to interview him.
>Now look at what happened.
Ah yes, the man famously popular in the EU
The real issue is the lack of visibility among non-english speaking content creators, but reaching them is difficult when you only speak english yourself

>>714017034
>thread barely halfway to bump limit
retard

>>714017034
imagine being asspained enough to make that thread

>>714011316 (OP)
>need to give my ID number
lol no

>>714017135
Where is this list of valid criticisms?

>>714017107
its 10pm

>>714017068
>their games
if somebody owns a game, why don't they just make server software themselves?

>>714016296
It's EU law, you retarded American filth.

>>714017151
Perfect example of the mentality that doesn’t get results. He has EU viewership, retard. Any bit counts.

>>714017237
cope more, eurotrash

>>714016946
>this initiative is not just about live service
>posts an always online live service game
You niggers are so dumb. So how will you revive darkspore? Are you gonna force some random developer to do it for you? Are you gonna reverse engineer a server, make middleware alternatives for the devs to ship server binaries? What's the plan? Crying like faggots and virtue signaling? Giving views to jewtubers?

One more wave of drama before the end please

>>714016318
Poopyhead.

>>714017237
>it was real in my mind

Listening to Ross' latest update, it really sounds like he is really sad it had to get to drama slapfight for it to go anywhere and feels somewhat sorry for Pirate.

>>714017143
In almost all cases SaaS is an actual service which you pay for on a monthly or annual basis. Nobody is prepared for this to apply to all software, the initiative has explicitly limited itself to games.

>>714017190
The EU already has your ID number, numbnuts. By you typing it into the website, they are merely confirming that (you,) a ping from a random IP on the Internet, are who you claim to be.

>>714017309
The blame game is always the final chapter.

>>714016946
NO NOT DARKSPORE?! WHAT THE FUCK? THEY KILLED DARKSPORE????

>>714017304
The initiative is in Europe.
Jesus Christ Americans are so fucking retarded it's sickening.

>>714017342
I ain't watching your faggy video, you dysgenic freak.

>>714017342
>feels somewhat sorry for Pirate.
lol why still play the nice guy? pirate called him a scumbag, practically.

>>714017284
He has English speaking EU viewers. Guess which countries are all not signing the petition.

>>714017209
>why don't they just make server software themselves?
Because the jews at Activision, Rockstar, Nintendo, etc. will send PIs and goons to stalk you, send C&D letters, and then threaten you with lawsuits. Look at what happened to the guys who made AlterIWNet, GT-MP and FiveM

>>714017342
He's probably more sad because this is going to fail to get to 1M legitimate signatures.

>>714017209
>why don't they just make server software themselves?
Because in many countries this is illegal. Not in EU, of course.

>>714017374
>numbnuts
OOPS, lost a potential sig right there my dude! Just imagine if you had been respectful and engaging, instead of confrontational and abusive!

Many such cases T.T

>this probably would've honestly gotten like 20k signatures max if a ferret molesting, knotted dildo riding, running away coward FAGGOT didn't make a big stink about it
loving every laugh

>>714017467
>Responded by dragging him into dramaslop
PirateSoftware was right.

>>714017482
So instead of hoping that those English speaking Italians would speak to their friends about it, you just don’t even try?

You’re fucking RETARDED LMAO

>>714017374
>the EU already treats you like a number, like a slave, therefore just acquiesce

reminder only botting faggots are against SKG

>>714016168
Agreed. Although it's important to note that sometimes a ball of mud is the best solution, it worked out for Balatro(written by a Statistician who had prior coding experience) having a 4,000 line long if statement for joker rules and the game has 150 jokers that all got balanced a ton. It did not work out for YandereDev, who clearly struggled with refining systems and just spent most of his time making easter eggs instead.
That being said, it's pretty damning to be working full time on a game for seven years and it's still in EA. You'd think a 'technical wizard' would be done by now. Seems he's more concerned with his streaming career.

>>714017546
>"if we destroy our enemies, they win"

>>714017501
>>714017517
hmm sounds complex, could it be possible that you don't actually own the intellectual property associated with the game, and aren't allowed to exploit it for your own purposes regardless of EU laws about game licenses ownership?

I just picked a random country, and added random ID numbers, and it counted as a vote. Why dont you guys just add 400k bullshit?

for a supposedly insignificant petition movement there sure is a lot of damage control everywhere surrounding it
I guess it's finally time to sign it.

>>714017342
>feels somewhat sorry for Pirate

Okay it's official. Ross needs to be replaced by someone with a spine.

Who though?

>>714017628
Still seething HOURS later over that? I love confirmation that I really got under someone's skin. Sometimes proxies fuck up and doublepost due to lag or whatever, it's just the nature of the beast. I already explained that, but the alternative theory of yours fits too well into your persecution complex, so here we are again.

In a couple of days it'll be up to 700k, gotta keep up the momentum.

>>714011316 (OP)
i'm very much against this shit but no thanks

>>714017670
All corporations need to do is stop killing games. They want to have their cake and eat it, an unacceptable affront to consumer rights, which is why SKG exists in the first place.

>>714017352
Most of the big names have fully jumped to subscription models now, yeah. But there's nothing inherent to games that makes them legally distinct from other programs either way. Any licenses for software sold as one-time-purchases should be usable indefinitely.

There's got to be at least one or two instances where Adobe or Microsoft has fucked over customers this way. I'm not super educated on the matter, but I do think it's interesting.

>>714017721
Because it gets checked at the end.

>>714017670
>could it be possible that you don't actually own the intellectual property associated with the game
nobody is saying otherwise
>aren't allowed to exploit it for your own purposes regardless of EU laws about game licenses ownership?
nobody is disagreeing here. But you are legally allowed to create your own servers for yourself and any other legitimate owner in EU.

>>714017802
who cares you're a nigger

>>714017546
PirateSoftware is a bacterial colony posing as human and anyone supporting him is not sentient.

>>714017818
>All corporations need to do is stop killing games.
Oh is that all? Well geeze its so simple! We gotta make those bad guys do whats right! Avengers, assemble!

>>714017812
>WTF why do I have to prove I am an citizen just to sign a citizen initiative?

>>714017832
lmao, I am pretty sure then that from 700k at least 30% are fake

>>714017830
Trying to say this only applies to games is probably hurting the petition, since any law is going to apply to software in general since it’s ultimately a question of software licensing.

The petition could easily pass if someone with some planning skills were behind it.

>>714017812
only EU citizens can sign it, so of course they need to verify that you're one and not some random nigerian prince scammer from bumfuck nowhere, africa

>>714017812
>giving information to the government that the government already has is a problem

>>714017812
you're european, your government probably knows when you go take a piss

>>714017723
NO YOU CAN'T

LOOK AT HOW MEAN THE SUPPORTERS ARE

ALSO

THINK OF THE POOR CORPORATIONS

>>714017624
You seem to be arguing against the concept of government itself. I don't think this is the thread for you.

>>714017942
Plenty of New Europeans arriving that you could ask to sign your lovely petition. Why don't you go down to the immigrant ghetto and do some work?

>>714017812
They already have all that from you clicking on the site, you stupid fucking American-brained swine.
It's a fucking government website.

>>714017812
Do people say this thinking that they're personally handing Ross W. Scott their social security number or something?

>>714017968
I'm european, my ID expired 6 years ago

>>714017906
it makes sense that you have to do it, but i still don't wanna give them my stuff. too many leaks out there from similar things.

>>714017954
>>714017968
not my government

>>714018112
i'm european

>>714018027
My country has my id, fine

The EU knowing everything is totally different like the UN or NATO

Reminder, anyone saying:
>Just don't buy live-service games, problem solved!
Is a shill.
If they didn't like live-service games, they would support the initiative because it would address their biggest problem with or maybe 'hurt' live-service games as a whole which would bring them sadistic enjoyment.
If they liked live-service games, they're doing the:
>If you don't like, don't look!
argument, which is just a way to skirt criticism by painting people as intrusive.

Or maybe they're purposing agitating people to further galvanize them into the campaign by acting flippant.

>>714018156
Then why didn't you renew it?

>>714017902
It is that simple. Only midwits think that this is a complicated issue. The only reason the problem exists in the first place is because live service games were, from the ground up, not designed with end of life solutions in mind.

>>714018112
american brained movement anon
thank you mold man

>>714018252
>everyone who disagrees with us is paid opposition
>our cause is so virtuous that organic dissent is impossible, so beware the Enemy!
funny stuff

>>714018173
It is literally passed to your government. Your government is in charge of validating your identity. The EU commission just gets sees you as "+1 vote"

>>714018112
Yeah they have your social security number when you click the link. Retarded ameritranny larper.

>>714018224
>he thinks they already don't have access to all of his data
there isn't such thing as anonymity in this planet but if it makes you feel better, none of us common folk are important enough for them
at most they'd just use the paper they printed out your info as toilet paper

NEW THREAD!!
>>714018371
>>714018371
>>714018371
>>714018371

Reminder to thank Finns for highest per capita and Krauts for highest raw numbers.

>>714018224
Well I'm sorry to say, but your country agreed to join the EU and abide by the regulations its member states collectively pass. Citizens' Initiatives are in compliance with them.

>>714018425
are you retarded?

>>714018370
and how does the eu commission save that identity being counted

>>714013301
i started coding and understanding c# for my game literally 3 months ago and you tell me this guy worked at blizzard?

>>714018173
>not my government
yes, your government, because the signatures that are submitted for a country are checked by each individual country itself

>>714018076
those moochers aren't europeans. they'll never get an ID

>>714011885
the only thing xe is bling are xer hormones

>>714018425
Fucking retarded gay black faggot

>>714018487
unique hash

>>714018293
you're heckin right, it's super simple! there is no nuance or circumstances worth considering at all! lets fuck up those nazi chuds and get out and vote!

>>714014803
I have signed the petition an year ago when the first threads about it were posted. The fact that in a year we are barely over half a million is a bit of a disaster. There has been a catastrophical problem with advertising for sure, but the other das truth is that drama propels things like this foward. As far as I know STK was born after The Crew fiasco but nobody cared about that game and no other game sunsetted in the meantime that could have lead to people getting to know STK. This charade with PirateSoftware (who already was mocked an our year ago for this shit, why people care only now?) is literally the last hope for the movement.
>>714017567
I come from Pastaland, nobody cares unfortunately. I am also pretty sure that nobody important talked about it (only maybe Sabaku)

I'm just not gonna sign it.

>>714018342
Yes. There is no organic opposition to SKG. It's all industry plants or trolling and I've yet to see anything that proves otherwise.

>>714018718
based

>>714017936
I said this when it first started. Making this about games only has effectively gimped the entire movement.

The implications that any software can be legally disabled for any reason a company feels are absolutely disastrous and with the way America dictates corporate regulation, it can be literally life-destroying.

>Grandma dying because they just didn't want to support her version of pacemaker software anymore
>Cars driving off the road because the steering wheel software was disabled due to a lost connection

>Bank account is now inaccessible because you lost connection to the internet briefly

Gamers are so fucking retarded for normalizing this shit. I will never forgive them. It's why their opinion on this initiative is largely irrelevant to me. I will find a way to pass this regulation without them if I have to.(Likely)

>>714018718
same

>>714018726
or people open these threads, see a bunch of victim complex shizos rambling and proceed to not care

>>714018173
>Actively arguing with debunkers

You aren't European. You're an American troll and it's very obvious.

>>714018726
There is no legitimate opposition. Most people either don't care or support it heavily.

>>714016109
If there's a second or especially third wave of big e-celebs talking about it the next few weeks and especially the final week, yes

if not, no

>>714018425
>this new that he doesn't know the bump limit
go back

>>714018638
>I come from Pastaland
Could you try to ask some Pasta streamers and youtubers to cover this? And/or share it on your social media if you use it?
I know it's retarded to ask individuals to do this, but the initiative clearly doesn't have enough people from each individual country to spread awareness.

>>714018609
are they really that smart, looking back at all the plain text leaks?

>>714018906
no? born and raised here

>>714018718
based

>>714018718
you are indian sudra, why do you care about an EU initiative?

>>714018252
>Just don't buy it
That argument has been thoroughly debunked after 25 years of increasingly shitty games I HAVEN'T BOUGHT coming out.

>>714018726
if you don't care for it so much, then why are you even posting?
if the initiative passes there are no downsides for gamers. zero, zlich, none. it doesn't affect you in any way, but it will be appreciated by millions of people who want to keep their games

>>714018990
>are they really that smart, looking back at all the plain text leaks?
Nobody in the world is actually smart, but if any of your info ends up leaking anywhere you can get a ton of money by suing those responsible for breaching GDPR.

>>714019024
Just try not buying it harder moron.

>>714018920
>>714018726
When you guys lose and get humiliated, as well as set your "movement" back years, try to remember what you posted here and this attitude. Fixing that attitude and trying to understand why somebody may have legitimate concerns and how to actually address them instead of calling them a shill, indian, or a jew, might serve you better next time around.

>>714019024
>nooo you don't understand I HAVE to play the newest GaaS slop!

>>714018718
Why are gays so proud of their sexual orientation?

>>714019164
name 1 (one) downside to owning your games

ALL VIDEOGAMES SHOULD BE FREE. WOMEN DON'T DESERVE ANY RIGHTS! THE STATE SHOULD GIVE ME A GF! I WILL NEED TO START A EU PETITION. WOMEN OWE ME SEX!

UH, STOP KILLING THE GAMES *fist pump*

>SKG is supposedly something every person has to agree with because it's so obviously correct
>yet every person arguing for it on /v/ is plainly dishonest all of the time and never actually defends any substantive issue
what explains this phenomenon?

>>714019197
>Explicitly stated I haven't bought them

What is having paranoid schizophrenia like?

>>714019024
>well I already tried not buying it
>so now I'm gunna try to delegate violence and get the gobermint to force people to do what I want!

woaw so heckin zased I love appealing to an unelected bureaucracy that shouldn't exist in the first place and trying coerce them into action that surely won't have any type of monkey paw side effect on my most cherished hobby!

>>714019321
oy vey

>>714019303
>no meme arrow
how disingenuous

>>714019321
How is your edaddy gonna save video games?

>>714019321
Does it make someone mad? Then someone on /v/ will post it to make someone mad, nothing more, nothing less.

>>714019269
I'd get less money from my stocks if companies start losing money over this shit

>>714019303
Picrelated is whats happening in a blumpf voters empty skull 24/7 all day everyday

>>714019321
It's called 4chan in general kiddo.

>Everyone supporting SKG is a big meanie so nobody should support it
This is really the new argument huh?

You are a retarded faggot. Kill yourself.

>saves the movement
>exposes pirate software as a retard and a corporate shill
>goes back to playing shitty games on stream

>>714013701
You need to be 18+ to sign the petition. This excludes all European zoomers. You also need to hear about the petition from somewhere and most places that share info are english speaking so all gamers in the EU that speak only one language have no idea about this.

>HURR DURR ALL GAMES MUST HAVE SERVERS OPEN FOR THE REST OF ETERNITY BECAUSE I AM ENTITLED TO PLAY DEAD GAMES NOBODY LIKES
people supporting this shit are legitimately brown

>>714019457
and they beat you? LOL

>Pizza
Oh no.

the hero we need, and also the one we deserve

>>714019501
most zoomers are adults now

>>714019496
>children should cut their dicks off
>shitty titty nipples cum piss boobs

>>714019515
That's basically all it is at the end of the day. When you rip off the mask, it's just a bunch of pirates kicking and screaming to get free shit. It's pathetic.

>>714019496
The guy is absolutely based.

>>714019601
corpo shills want to shut down the thread

>>714019496
At this point I would take anyone besides Ross.
What kind of fucking retard turns down free publicity because "uh I don't really agree with that guy's politics"?
He's the weakest link by far.

>>714019601
its a signal that shills run out of all possible options and want jannies to nuke everything in the thread

>>714019485
>This is really the new argument huh?
>new
This shit has been aggressively shilled since day one and anyone who dared to ask even a simple question before signing was promptly shat on and presented with nothing but shitposting
This is why nobody takes your petition seriously

>>714019648
yeah but when you say it in his voice it sounds funny and sort of alright

>>714019321
>accusing your opponents of what you're doing
why do you argue like a leftist snowflake dangerhair?

>>714019414
Then don't buy game company stocks? Lol. Lmao. Isn't that the defense you retards roll out for live service games?

>Don't like it, don't buy it.

pizza in the thread please report this gross picture.

>>714019601
It's a damning example of the kind of sub-human filth against SKG.

>>714019515
THE SHILLS HAVE STARTED DUMPING CP TO GET THE THREAD NUKED
>THE SHILLS HAVE STARTED DUMPING CP TO GET THE THREAD NUKED
THE SHILLS HAVE STARTED DUMPING CP TO GET THE THREAD NUKED
>THE SHILLS HAVE STARTED DUMPING CP TO GET THE THREAD NUKED

>>714019735
>leftist snowflake dangerhair upset his own tactics are being used against him
oops

israelis have invaded the thread

>>714019715
Go away, retard. Nobody cares about your pussy bitch crybaby argument.

Seems like Trump supporters have found out about this and are dumping their stashes.

>>714019678
That guy has made videos on SKG which is enough.

>>714019715
>This is why nobody takes your petition seriously

Except it's the biggest discussion in all of video games right now, you pathetic little bitchboy faggot retard.
Kill yourself.

>>714019948
>jewish divide and conquer tactics
nice try nsa

/ourguy/ is right and some of ya'll need to educate yourselves

>>714019948
You mean Biden supporters?

>SKG shills are posting CP to make Thor look mad
you are all disgusting

>blackedgov subhumans posting cp
Kill yourself ni/gg/ers.

>>714020014
Name an argument of his that is correct.

>>714018920
Correct.
>>714019024
2007 really did a number on things. Before then, when gaming was an enthusiast market, quality ruled. After that, as gaming grew into a mega-industry and more people were doing it entertainment companies realized they could create cash-grab dopamine farms and intellectual property cash-ins and quality tanked.
>>714019043
Don't misunderstand, I support the initiative whole-heartedly, I'm just saying that I haven't seen anyone argue against SKG in good faith. Our problem isn't well-reasoned opposition it's apathy and industry plants.
>>714019164
>Fixing that attitude
I want you to understand, this attitude is the fixed version.
For over a decade and a half, I've watched people on the internet try to be 'reasonable' and 'address concerns' about many issues and get destroyed every time by gaslighting and deplatforming run by government and corporate funded news outlets and pundits.
If the Free Marketplace of Ideas truly existed, then we'd all be considerate, but it doesn't, bad actors exist and have been playing us like fiddles for years.
You can't even form an argument without calling us racist, sexist, or retarded. Why should we offer you any respect? You're a rat and I'll not play your game.

Is dumping CP common when people want threads nuked. I hate that I have to go about the rest of my day with that foul image in my head.

>>714020045
>jeet shills are posting pizza in hopes mods will start nuking SKG threads
ftfy, you ferret fucking corpo rat

>>714019948
Lots of Ubisoft corporate shills in this thread falling on their own sword and destroying artwork for a lazy ceo.

>>714012091
EULAs have never actually been tested in court anywhere, companies always quietly settle whenever a potential major case challenging them pops up.

>>714020063
Gay sex is good and you should try it

>>714020063
>these guys are a bunch of retards
objectively correct
>they can eat my ass
also correct, and will be definitively proven without a doubt soon
>this is dumb as fuck
proven correct already

>>714020045
TRVKE

>Anti-SKG shills are pretendig they didn't blatantly post CP themselves as they were condemning SKG

>>714016318
in a best case scenario we could get online drm removed from photoshop which would make it easier to pirate

>invoking tribalism (US vs EU)
>corporate bootlicking
>misinterpretation and self-conceit
>strawmen
>accusing the opposition of what you're doing
>black-and-white thinking
>actual cp
it's like a fever dream seeing shills go all out like this. they're must be super desperate to pull all this shit at the same time

>>714013636
wtf howcome I never knew this existed? This looks kind of amazing

>>714019321

>>714020010
>>714020042
The average conservative rapes kids. Why else would they support Trump, a known Epstein collaborator and close friend?

>posting CP so your thread gets more attention

just sad

>>714020127
yes, because paid shills from third world shitholes have nothing to fear. has also happened when the initiative started and people where discussing it here

>>714020127
>he opened it
bro...

haven't signed
maybe when it reaches 999k I'll do it

>>714020127
On this website? Absolutely. Also don't hover on the images before you scout them out first, it's a good rule of practice.

SKG YOU RAIDING NIGGERS
MAY YOU REST IN PISS

>>714020101
>I want you to understand, this attitude is the fixed version.
and you still haven't learned that engaging with people you by your own admission know are trolls and bad actors, just makes you look stupid?

your outrage is performative, and you absolutely love every second of what is happening here

if you actually wanted to win where it mattered, you would be engaged in actual activism seeking signatures and informing where you can actually get them (not 4chan), you cannot "win" here in this environment, because there is no decisive path to victory in a thread like this

this here? this is a performance for your gay little cult where you are all just re-assuring each other that you are correct and the most morally just

>>714020236
doesn't this only apply to games?

>>714020063
Ferrets can consent, actually

>>714012294
Most of them actually are but if you work in the AAA industry and publicly endorse SKG before it's a law you are forced to obey you will probably get laid off by some bullshit reason. Corpos love yes men and absolutely despise people with independent thought and self drive. The problem is that as a corpo you have to put up with the capable people if you want to make money because yes men can't code or art for shit. If you don't care about money at all and just want an echochamber it's just the current AAA landscape with very few outliers

>>714011995
Imagine being this obsessed with a random furry, lmao

>>714020321
doesn't interpol go after turd worlders' asses for posting pizza? afaik they take it very seriously

>>714013870
It's learned helplessness. They see their friends and neighbours get taken advantage of and their response is "wouldn't happen to me", "won't affect the games I like", etc.

It's a couple generations off from the Chinese slave mentality, where you don't stop to help someone who gets run over. The complete destruction of community and civilization and descent into crab bucket serfdom. The trick is in convincing people they're cunning for not being scammed (yet) rather than being outraged that such a thing could happen in the first place.

>>714020296
>responds to video of kid sniffer molesting children in public, with a video of trump in the same room in a large gathering, with epstein
funny stuff
have some more of this gross old pedo

How will posting cp save gaming and make trump tweet about it ni/gg/er trash? Go back to your /interracial/ and /hebe/ board subhumans.

>>714020296
Thanks for proving my point glowie, every time a non-glowie movement happens, glowies will start throwing shit to see what sticks.
IT also means they are scared and that the SKG movement is in the correct direction to succeed.

>>714019321
because there aren't any non-entitled brat or non-socialist arguments to make
private companies should have full control over the products and services they offer, provided they aren't harmful to people, property or the environment and they make it clear what you're buying.
even the tethered bottle caps help the environment. forcing companies to develop dedicated server support for free would only serve to sate a few nerds' nostalgia when they can walk around empty UE5 maps

>>714020381
he does deserve to have his rectum walls tore open and ripped apart by a rabid ferret

I was on your side, but posting CP is over the line. I am with based Thor now

>>714020342
It has to reach 999,999 for me to sign it. I have to be the LAST relevant person to do it.

>>714020380
it does

>>714020236
even if this magically starts applying to all software (which it will not), PhotoShop is an actual subscription service. SKG is not really concerned with actual services which use subscriptions, like World of Warcraft.

>>714020515
the ones posting the kiddie shit are anti-skg shills like (You) though

>>714020528
>believing the larp
stupid

>>714013730
Stop killing ferrets, mald.

>>714020614
no it was definitely skiggers doing a false flag, it's already been confirmed

>>714020614
Kill yourself pedo ni/gg/erlover.

>>714017431
Is that why you’re so poor and undeveloped compared to us? Also don’t invoke the name of Jesus, most of you are Atheist.

>Be me
>Small indie dev
>Release my game, make $1000.
>Must support and maintain the game for 300 years.
>Thor was right.

>>714020512
Hey Grok. Which institution associated with conservatives raped the most children? Was it the catholic church? Oh, it was? Thanks, Grok. Very cool.

Conservatives will do anything in their power to distract people from how disgusting they are.

Also, Trump openly talked about wanting to fuck his own daughter, even when she was underage.

>>714020127
This happens sometimes when faggots want to derail a thread, yes.
>>714020140
I actually am happy that Ubisoft are such scumbags when it comes to videogames. Without them the shitty stuff all videogame publishers pull might have gone unnoticed. Thanks to Ubisoft all the GaaS and always online crap in singleplayer games and the practice of killing games has been dragged into the light.

>>714020576
they are disgusting as you can see, all to try and discredit thor

>>714020380
i think the legal ramifications are obvious.
services that sell digital books, movies, music could all get affected
you can't have extra special legal rights for games and not the rest
in a best case scenario, we could get a law that sets a precedent where digital goods must be given to the customer in a functional state when the service hosting them shuts down.
people are seriously underestimating how huge this could be.

>its scared
good, good

>>714020702
>Must support and maintain the game for 300 years.

The initiative doesn't require this

>>714020447
maybe, but they also don't go after every little fish in the ocean. the police doesn't have infinite resources, they only target the big ones and when they are certain that they can bust someone

>>714020702
if you make an indie game just use steam networking for hosting free service retard

>>714020679
I don't know what kind of schizo collab that is
I wholeheartedly support SKG and you corpo shills are going down

>>714020742
>services that sell digital books, movies, music could all get affected
>we could get a law that sets a precedent where digital goods must be given to the customer in a functional state when the service hosting them shuts down.
And, honestly, that's a good thing.

>>714020709
Homosexuals rape kids. Homosexuals infiltrate organizations to rape kids. Public schools are responsible for 10x more child rape than catholic institutions, and are staffed by majority democrat voters.

Democrat homosexuals are responsible for most child rape in schools.

>>714020768
That's literally what you fuckers are asking for.

>Think of muh developers/publishers
Are you a dev or publisher? Do you give a shit who makes your electronics, movies, music etc.? No? Then it's not your problem.

>>714013870
>pajeet
>contrarian
>how much is Ubisoft paying you to post ITT?
>is this post AI?
>if you disagree you must be some other eceleb that nobody else but me has heard of
>I voted with my wallet but other people kept buying things I don't like! I'm calling the police!
>what do you mean additional labor costs additional money?
>OMG WHY ARE PEOPLE DEFENDING CORPORATIONS WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS SITE?
>it's the same as selling poison baby food!
>/v/ was always in favor of government regulation of video games! It's just election tourists disagreeing!
>the EU gave us amazing regulations like being able to easily refund games you just purchased!
>EULAs stating the game doesn't work forever don't count because you agree to them after buying the game!
>oh wait ignore that part about games being easy to refund
and when you try to get them to think more than one step ahead about the effects of begging for more video game regulation:
>I don't care I'm unemployed with no future and I want the industry to die

It's how dishonest children argue.

>>714018638
The mistake was allowing this to devolve into US vs EU rhetoric.

Can I get a quick rundown of what these threads are about? Also, why is one dude angrily spamming?

>>714020891
how's your post related to stopping corporations from taking away your games?

>>714013870
Its thing American kids do. They're kind of little religions, you'll see younger americans argue over which company is more profitable and cheer their success and get upset if anyone ever sues them. Brand loyalty is this important thing there, its kind of a part of their identity. People will eat or drink garbage food if it supports their favorite company.

I was at an American college dorm once visiting a friend and this guy wouldn't let me pass out of the stairway because I was carrying a pepsi, and he was a coke fan. I finally said "go give me a coke then" and that was enough for him to let me pass and give me a coke. Then he wanted me to pay him for it but I just ignored it. This is American behavior.

>>714020709
Catholics vote overwhelmingly democrat, chud movements like the confederacy and KKK were explicitly anti catholic

We need a stop Sneed posting movement

>>714021073
here's a 44 second video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiA1rYIG3jw

>>714020709
>Also, Trump openly talked about wanting to fuck his own daughter, even when she was underage.

very cool, but here is biden actually molesting kids on video and being a nasty old creep, in public

>>714020379
>you cannot "win" here in this environment
You're wrong.
If there was nothing to be gained by posting here, then the shills would not be out in force.
But even if they weren't, telling people that those arguing in bad faith should be shunned and not taken seriously is important.
Reddit-spacing posters like you are either captured or paid. If you're captured, then I have you attention long enough to remind you that you're acting as an agent of those who work in bad faith. And you read my posts, you acknowledge my ideas even if you reject them, and I'm that much closer to breaking your handler's hold on you.
You read what I post, my memes are in your head, your tactics have become mine, we'll win in the end.

>>714020101
> this attitude is the fixed version
lmao and how’s that working out for you, retard?

>>714020891
You're an incompetent liar.

>https://www.qeios.com/read/4FVMEK
>Even though religion has a conservative influence in society, and religious individuals generally have more conservative views, non-religious people also adopt conservative political views (Renzetti & Curran, 1995). There is a positive correlation between the endorsement of the rape myth and conservative political ideals (Anderson et al., 1997). Conservatives are more tolerant of "rape myths" than liberals are; these include justifications like "She asked for it," "It wasn't really rape," or "She lied." (Barnett & Hilz, 2017; Hockett et al., 2015). That relates to the idea that moral principles like justice and averting harm are more critical to leftists than rightists, who are more motivated by in-group loyalty and respect for authority. While conservatives are more prone to take the stability of the group into account, liberals typically prioritize the rights of the individual. These distinctions aid in the explanation of the connection between political ideology and acceptance of the rape myth; politically liberal people engage less in victim stereotyping and more in the injustice and harm done to each rape victim (Barnett & Hilz, 2017; Hockett et al., 2015).
Conversely, more politically conservative people would try to preserve traditional family values, which could result in victim blaming and the linking of deviant sexual practices to victimization (Goren, 2005). Politically conservative individuals are more likely to defend existing power structures (Jost et al., 2004). Examples of these structures include patriarchy (Hunnicutt, 2009) and the church's increased involvement in politics and people's sexual conduct (Gaskins et al., 2013). Grounded on the notion that a rightist mindset relates to the acceptance of rape myths (Barnett & Hilz, 2017), we also examined conservative political ideology's role (i.e., right-wing political leaning) in CSAM tolerance.

>>714021119
>got bullied by an american once
>damaged FOREVER
LOL
PLEASE BE REAL
YOU GOT
COKE BULLIED
LMAO

>>714012349
You need only two working braincells to figure out who is the sensible person in this argument within 5 minutes of hearing each one's points. It's not a cult of personality thing, it's a personal standpoint thing. You are either in favor of gaming companies to be forced to make the general public able to plug the game in their own life support device after they pull the plug or you don't. The Warcraft3 reforged fiasco is the most blatant example, you can't access the Old WC3 artstyle without pirating it because they forced you to update.

>>714021124
>Catholics vote overwhelmingly democrat
what kind of retard cope is this? you know they hate abortion right?

>>714013870
The Russian Federation has a culture of helplessness and punching down at one another for desiring any kind of change. When you're that beaten down, the only kind of power you can take is demeaning and attacking your fellows for daring to think anything could possibly improve. You're smarter than them for being hopeless.

America is slowly transforming into the RU in that way. Bitter acceptance that they're being fucked forever. A permanently cucked people.

>>714020248
US opinions are not welcome in this movement and never were. (I am American though)

The main reason being that there is nothing a mutt can do from this corporate hellscape anyway.
The whole root of the so-called "tribalism" is that the US literally has zero chance of doing something like this and as a result there are STILL dozens of American-brained posts AGAINST it.
That distinct trait cannot go ignored. Mutts are simply incompatible with the entire movement.

You will never convince me to be nice with American capitalists ever again. I have to live with these rats and treating them nicely is not an option on the table. Not after the past 10 years of filth I have to wade through in my own home.

>>714021073
It's about a EU initiative to stop corporations from putting killswitches in games, or at least releasing a patch that keeps them playable after the plug is pulled. You know, like half-life, warcraft 3, starcraft, diablo II, etc., which still work to this day and don't depend on any services or official servers
The spammers are trying to have the threads nuked and/or deleted by any means possible. You can probably guess why.

>>714021124
>Catholics vote overwhelmingly democrat
58% of Catholics voted Trump in the last election
You are retarded

your derailing tactics won’t work here kike

>>714020702
>must support and maintain the game for 300 years

So insufferably incorrect it must feel tiring to shit the bed and spin the fan on your colored hat this much.

eat my entire ass

>>714021184
> If there was nothing to be gained by posting here, then the shills would not be out in force.
Retards kick the hate box known as 4chan and then believe the reaction is simply shills lmao.

>>714021205
A literature review of 19 studies found that Homosexuals and Bisexuals are between 12-16 times more likely to molest children, while homosexual and bisexual educators account for 80% of molestation of pupils and are 90-100 times more likely to molest pupils
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/homosexual-molestation-childrensexual-interaction-teacher-and-pupil

Homosexuals are more likely to be pedophiles and about 33% of child molesters are homosexuals ("ratio of sex offenders against female children vs offenders against male children is approximately 2:1")
Whilst specifically this study sample found 41% — 42.5% of child molesters to be homosexual
(1.35:1 heterosexual to homosexual ratio and conversion method 2 which found 1.44:1 heterosexual to homosexual ratio)
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00926239208404356

A gigantic study of over 4000 pedophiles found that about 33% of pedophiles are homosexual and many more bisexuals, also it found that homosexual pedophiles are significantly more likely to reoffend and harder to be treated
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00856862

Study of pedophiles published in APAs (American Psychological Association) journal found that:
"With respect to gender, 455 participants (38.3%) said that they were attracted only to females, 420 (35.3%) only to males, and 314 (26.4%) to both males and females."
In this largest study of pedophiles ever from APAs journal they find that 61.7% of pedophiles are homosexual/bisexual
https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fabn0000212

Is there ANY downside to this initiative? Why is the gay furry faggot so against it?
Is it because this will hurt Blizzard and he still has contacts there?

>>714020364
If you think this is a raid just wait until you see what happens when this fails.

>>714012164
I want to add to your post that many devs actually are alright with making offline support etc.
But publisher and suits decides in the end if a game is left in playable state(and take sales from new games) or not

>>714021205
Approximately one third of victims of sex offenders are boys, in English prisons there were about 3000 sex offenders of whom only 12 were women, conclusion being that female pedophiles are extremely rare. From this we concluded that homosexuals could comprise 33% of pedophiles https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9780203411773-10/adult-sex-offenders-dawn-fisher
https://www.hrw.org/legacy/wr2k8/violence/violence.pdf

About 33% of victims of child sexual abuse are male, and 97% of pedophiles are male
Thus (in the scenario with least homosexual pedophiles) over 30% of child sexual abuse is done by homosexuals
https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/CVVOATV.PDF
https://www.hrw.org/legacy/wr2k8/violence/violence.pdf


Homosexuals and bisexuals are 42% of pedophiles
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0145213495000173

This study found 42% of pedophiles to be bisexual/homosexual
It also found that much higher rates of bisexual/homosexual pedophiles are "true pedophiles"
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9587795/

30% of victims of child pornography are not female, at least 25% are male, and one study of victims of child pornography found 33% of its participants were male
99.3% of abusers who do the crime of child pornography are men
Therefore, homosexuals are responsible for 25%-30% (up to 33% also) of child pornography case, all while making up only few percent of the population https://www.statista.com/statistics/1246257/gender-children-abused-child-pornography-content/ https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Child_Pornography_FY18.pdf https://victimsofcrime.org/doc/Policy/section-4-improving-response-to-vcp.pdf?sfvrsn=2

>>714021124
>Catholics vote overwhelmingly democrat
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/party-identification-among-religious-groups-and-religiously-unaffiliated-voters/

Wrong.
White Catholics are so overwhelmingly republican that even with Hispanics taken into account they are still majority R. White Catholics are child rapists that condone that behavior because their parents did it to them as well and because they have no moral integrity.

>>714020995
there is no US vs EU rhetoric, just mix of concern shills, paid AAA shills and furry redditors that for some reason wish to kiss ass of big corporation for free.
This wasn't problem 30 years ago because for most part people were more or less aware how the custom servers worked because it was a standard everywhere (also gamedevs enjoyed spending time with games and talking with them).
However with everything going into full "buy product and get hyped for new product" mode killed the past gamer culture (there is also hundreds of other stuff but that's different discussion), what the EU initiative wants to do is return to what we used to have, and if the modern gamedev cant survive without constantly stealing money with gambling gotcha boxes and rag pulling their own product than maybe they should take their greedy little paws somewhere else.

>>714021073
>Can I get a quick rundown of what these threads are about?
There is a European Citizens Initiative going on right now that aims to prevent videogame publishers from terminating videogames people paid for without providing the consumer with a way to support the game on their own by either private servers, LAN or looping the online requirements of the game so it can be played in singleplayer. When you exclude the side stuff the thread is generally about:
>dunking on Ubisoft since they are the videogame publisher who killed a videogame people paid full price for and even pulled the game from their libraries
>dunking on other videogame publishers who do similar shit with their videogames
>dunking on GaaS
>talking about DRM free games and GOG and how they are better since after the initial download you can play them for as long as you have the installer
>talking about the good old days when LAN and Dedicated Servers were still a thing

>>714021205
An analysis on the reports of molestation was done through newspapers and it was found that 40% – 60% was homosexual molestation
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9676497/

Analysing newspapers, it was found that over 50% of all teacher pedophiles are homosexual
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11898978/

36% of pedophiles are homosexual
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6512871/

Some large sample and high quality older studies find that about 30%-40% of pedophiles are homosexuals
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.3138/j.ctvcj2pdp https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Sex-Offenders%3A-An-Analysis-of-Types-Friedman/00f664d45bd1ddf89197884691c238b1e2e5af9c


More than 80% of victims of pedophilia from catholic priests have been boys. Data in this source proves that the proportion of homosexual men in the priesthood is correlated almost perfectly with the percentage of male victims and with the overall incidence of abuse. Homosexuality has a prominent play in these situations.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/333083400_Is_Sexual_Abuse_by_Catholic_Clergy_Related_to_Homosexuality

70.8% of clegry pedophiles are homosexual pedophiles as shown by phalometric testing https://www.researchgate.net/publication/12518293_A_study_of_clerics_who_commit_sexual_offenses_Are_they_different_from_other_sex_offenders


Homosexuals are responsible for 26% of male childhood sexual abuse cases and 23% of female childhood sexual abuse cases according to Glenda Testone, manager of GLAAD (Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation), who cited a study from the American Academy of Pediatrics saying that it is proof that gays are not the majority of pedophiles, not realising she proved that the lowest statistic about homosexuals still makes them about 12 times more likely to be pedophiles.
https://www.baptistpress.com/resource-library/news/homosexuals-more-likely-to-molest-kids-study-reports/

>>714020379
Holy shit what a delusional grandiose faggot
Glad people like this aren't getting involved.

>>714021303
Weird comment considering the EU is actively trying to figure out how they can censor war information on American platforms.
Little do they know they could just contract Israel to do it for them.

Video games?

>>714021301
JFK, biden, irish catholics.
Shitalians, Irish and other "ethnics" who are catholic all vote massively catholic, the republicans have always been the christian anglo party while democrats get suport from non christian immigrants, especially catholic immigrants

>>714021445
I could see legitimate arguments against it, but that's what the EU process covers with representatives from both sides of the issue.
As for pirate himself, he's an ego driven narcissist who cannot ever be wrong and went into it with the wrong assumptions but kept doubling down until he was against it entirely. It's retarded, but that's how it goes.

>>714021445
https://www.stopkillinggames.com/faq

>>714021248
well no, I could have twisted his arms off but it frankly took me a moment to even understand what his point was, I was more confused trying to understand what he was saying for a while. In the end I felt more embarrassed and awkward for him and just took the free coke

>>714021459
this is a raid you dumb nigger

>>714021486
Wrong. Homosexuals who infiltrate catholic organizations to gain access to children, are the one raping children. Actual catholics think it is abhorrent, and are victims of homosexual rape.

Framing them as the perpetrators is insane, and evil.

32% of pedophiles are homosexual or bisexual
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3395701/

42% of offenders for non familiar (non incest) child molestation are homosexual
Whilst overall rate is 27% for homosexual/bisexual offenders
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/088626091006003005

This study found up to 60% of pedophiles to be homosexual
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3070603/

Research in the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Ottawa, Canada found that 33% of pedophiles are exclusively homosexual and 23% are bisexual. This adds up to 56% of pedophiles being homo/bisexual, whilst being around 2% of population
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/comparison-sexual-victimization-childhoods-pedophiles-and

Survey found that 53% of abuse by foster parents is homosexual
In group homes, 71% of the molestation was homosexual
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15941101/

CDC study found 28% of child molestation before the age of 18 is done by Homosexuals
https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(05)00078-4/fulltext

>>714020515
Anti-SKG shills are the ones posting CP.
Too many people are seeing it for you to pretend otherwise.

>>714021314
> US opinions are not welcome in this movement and never were
Man I wonder why this petition is struggling to get 1 million signatures when the majority of YouTube influencers are American. Truly a mystery.

>>714011904
Okay faglord, if the EULA said the publisher had the right to your livelihood and could kill you at any moment do you think it'd be legal?

>>714020910
You're being intentionally dense, the proposed bills are for nothing more than allowing self hosting of anything that gets the plug pulled. Hell, I personally try to omit any game with multiplayer functions that I'm not able to setup a dedicated server for personally. There are very few games where this isnt a feasibility by EoL Heck, even Everquest has the files available for you to host your own server, and that MMO is still live.

45.8% of pedophiles are LGBT
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00926238408405945

From 1980-2006, teachers engaging in same-sex intercourse consisted of a majority of all teacher molesters in Ireland, New Zealand, Canada, and Scotland and consisted of a large percentage in Australia, England, and the US; in smaller samples, homosexuals accounted for 71% of perpetrators in mainland Europe, 26% in Africa, and 13% in Asia.
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Teacher-Pupil-Sex-Across-the-World%3A-How-Much-Is-Cameron/f1be4fd803c34efee8fae66263addae30347ef8e

Homosexuality is strongly related to pedophilia
https://lanternproject.org.uk/library/general/articles-and-information-about-sexual-abuse-and-its-impact/homosexuality-and-child-sexual-abuse/

Gays are 3% of the population but make up 40% of the child predators
http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2009/02/child-molestation-and-homosexuality-2/

Gender ratio of victims of childhood sexual abuse is 2:1
86% of abuse against males is done by males, and 6% of abuse against females are by females
Thus, over 32% of child sexual abuse is done by homosexuals https://www.healthyplace.com/abuse/child-sexual-abuse/child-sexual-abuse-statistics


37% of children who have been sexually abused are boys while only 5% of child molesters are female
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/sex-offenses-and-offenders-analysis-data-rape-and-sexual-assault
https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2013-04507-015

>>714020910
>obvious bait

>>714020995
>allowing this to devolve into US vs EU rhetoric.
You're on a forum without real moderation where /pol/ is consistently in the top 3 most popular boards.

>>714021073
Someone launched a legal process in EU which, if it gets enough signatures, would (very likely) fix the issue of people "buying" a game and it becoming unplayable once it's official servers are shut down.
For example, games which require you to log in, games with always-online DRM, games with server-side logic where the server bundle is never released, etc.

>>714021672
Yes

>>714020576
but he is the gay furry that grooms minors

Men commit 94.6% of sexual abuse against young boys whilst boys are 33% of victims of child sexual abuse according to one study and 37% according to another Indian study
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/268135394_Would_You_Tell_Under_Circumstances_Like_That_Barriers_to_Disclosure_of_Child_Sexual_Abuse_for_Men
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Hidden-Child-Molestation-Fromuth-Burkhart/41a947186a2d45856f98b8776835892a59a5b02b
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/A-cross-sectional-observational-study-on-child-Perumal-Sudhakar/73ce2c438967a6ebea30965819c97909479c6184

(Using the Human Rights Watch victim gender ratio of 2:1)
46% of female pedophiles are lesbians
https://www.hrw.org/legacy/wr2k8/violence/violence.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20090730101002/http://www.ptsd.va.gov/public/pages/child-sexual-abuse.asp


About 1 in 6 men are abused in their life and about 1 in 4 women are abused in their life, meaning that the proportion of male to female victims is 2:3
https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(05)00078-4/fulltext
And 96% of child abusers are male
https://www.nsvrc.org/publications/child-sexual-abuse-prevention-overview

Homosexuals are 25% of pedophiles
(This is the lowest statistic that we could find)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10983250/

By analysing newspapers, it was found that of foster parents who molested their children, 60% were homosexual, and another study found that 34% of foster parents who molested children are homosexual
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14723445/

>>714021564
Spammers are trying to derail the thread.

The bots are out in full force.
They're scared.

>>714011316 (OP)
After we manage to win, we need a plan to clown of PirateSoftware and his inflated ego.

>>714021564
It's called Stop Killing Games, you illiterate piece of useless dogshit.

conclusion: homosexuals rape kids, and infiltrate institutions in order to gain access to children

>>714021445
>Is there ANY downside to this initiative?
Not really. It makes it so corpos can't pull baits & switches, like releasing a live-service game, killing it (taking out all the stuff you bought), then launching version 2 of the same game and making you rebuy everything.
The first game has to remain playable, which can be attained in many ways (let the game run everything locally, let people self-host their own private server, etc.).
tl;dr people just want to be able to keep playing the games they bought.

>>714021519
>there is no US vs EU rhetoric
Massive cope. There’s been US vs EU tribalism from the very beginning. I commented on it multiple times when this petition started, saying it would be a massive issue that these fags aren’t criticized into silence.

>>714016232
You dumb nigger don't even know how it works. You can't even sign a petition unless you provide a valid EU ID number.

>>714021807
Is that a game?

>>714021721
>if it gets enough signatures, would (very likely) fix the issue
lol
>>Yet since its inception, only 10 ECI campaigns – out of 110 that were validly registered – have collected the 1 million necessary signatures to trigger a response to the Commission. More critically, none of the successful ECIs materialised into a legislative proposal fully capturing the campaigns’ demands – ECIs have at best led to partial victories.

>>714021647
Americans can't sign it, you utter fucking retard.
Kill yourself.

>>714021807
supporters of SKG are called "Skiggers"

>>714021721
>>714021524
>>714021352
>>714021139
No disrespect, but it seems incredibly delusional to think that publishers would do that in 2025.
I was already when they tried to kill used games 15 years ago with online passes.

I just want the standard we had several decades ago back.
Simple as.

>>714021783
>After we manage to win, we need a plan to clown of PirateSoftware and his inflated ego.
I personally don't care about that tranny. I care about my vidya. He can fade into obscurity for all i care. All i want is for this initiative to pass and for some solid laws to get written that castrate videogame publishers and their faggy idea of ''you will not own your videogames and you will like it''.

>>714021826
I signed up four times with random info and it accepted it. Im assuming they don't validate it till later.

>>714021721
> You're on a forum without real moderation where /pol/ is consistently in the top 3 most popular boards.
/pol/ manages to kill the pro Israel lobby on their board just fine. You could take some pointers from them.

>>714021925
That's why the legal route is being tried.

>>714021929
that standard was antisemitic and problematic

>>714013301
>>714013641
>"I'm an ex-blizzard developer"
(his dad brought him in as a QA)
>"I hacked a powerplant"
(he was part of a 10+ member of a team at DEFCON, largely doing nothing)
>"I'm a successful gamedev"
(finished games: 0, his developing game which started around 2016 -which was kickstarted- is still nowhere near done because he isn't actually working on it, he made a minor change on it recently because it was about to be hit by an abandonment tag by Steam Early Access)
>"I'm exceptionally smart"
(obviously using guides in puzzle games then acting like he figured it all out by himself)
>"I'm the best in [game]"
(deserts his team in WoW at the first sign of troube, deserts his guild in Ashes of Creation at the first sign of competent rivals, deserts duels in Ashes when faced with a competent opponent)
>Misinterprets (or maliciously misrepresents) the initiative
>Narcissistic, literally can't admit fault
>Doubles, triples and quadruples down whenever he is exposed

>So many posts deleted that it is back under the bump limit
heh.

>Signatures today: +25,920
still getting double digits of what is needed for initiative, even if it keeps going down there will still be enough momentum to get one million a week before deadline.

>>714021925
>it seems incredibly delusional to think that publishers would do that in 2025
The EU forced Valve to give out refunds for videogames, the EU forced Apple to use USB-C, if anyone can force videogame publishers to stop abusing the consumer rights of gamers it's the EU.

>>714021876
If you're being serious then half of the threads on /v/ are not video games because they are about trailers or news.
Fucking retarded piece of shit bootlicking scum.
Kill yourself.

>>714021925
if the movement weren't accomplishing anything, you wouldn't see shills trying to derail threads, even going as far as to spam cp

>>714021817
The downside is live service games become illegal, but that’s only a downside to developers. Massive win for gamers.
>>714021893
Jeez I wonder if Americans could have helped spread awareness just a teeny bit to get the last bit of signatures required.
Nah, better not bother since they aren’t European. Lmao.

>>714022064
This long hair, fat face with glasses look somehow always looks wrong to me for some reason. It screams "I'm a sack of shit".
Yms looks similar but he lacks the glasses.

>>714022123
>The EU forced Valve to give out refunds for videogames
kek how dumb are you faggots
that's not even remotely true

>>714021553
>hey maybe you should go try to do some actual canvasing and seek signatures in places that aren't so combative?
>"Holy shit what a delusional grandiose faggot"
lol!

>>714021929
There’s too much money at stake now. You’re better off trying to get gambling laws to apply to video games at this point. Thats the only thing that will save us.

>>714022194
live-service games won't become illegal. all they have to do is let the game run locally or give people the option to run a server. look no further than mega man x dive offline and animal crossing pocket camp complete

>>714022110
one million isn't enough
most initiatives get on average ~10% invalid signatures

>>714022180
it proves that supporting the initiative is the right thing to do

>there are actual NGO government shills promoting a censorship campaign on /v/ RIGHT NOW
Surreal

>>714022023
>>714022123
>>714022180
This isn't as gay as the anti-lootbox crusade eventually got, but I don't see this going anyway desu.

>>714022273
They can’t let the game run locally because that makes it easy to hack. There’s no money to be made when people can just hack their primogems.

You kids need to understand that always online and live service were made specifically to prevent hacking of the style that plagued D2.

>>714022273
>all they have to do
its so heckin easy!! they must be EVIL AND GREEDY if they don't do it already! all the more reason to sic the EU on them!

I love the EU! It takes such good care of us and can do no wrong! Sure I didn't elect them but throwing a petition at them and maybe they will look at it maybe not is pretty freakin good if you ask me!

>>714020886
thanks for reposting. i was scared you wouldn't

>>714022064
>his developing game which started around 2016 -which was kickstarted- is still nowhere near done because he isn't actually working on it, he made a minor change on it recently because it was about to be hit by an abandonment tag by Steam Early Access
i wish i had 10% of his "not giving a fuck" attitude, i could never abandon a kickstarter, and that is why i don't use it, i'm too scared of not finishing the funded project

>>714022448
it’s afraid

>>714022251
It's not entirely true but I don't think valve would have made it global or they would have fought harder against it in australia if they didn't have the eu breathing down their neck as well.

>>714022425
>They can’t let the game run locally because that makes it easy to hack.
we're talking about EOL plans (i.e. after server shutdown), faggot. they can launch their live-service crap but they have to ensure it keeps working after they pull the plug

>>714022251
It is true, you can check it out.
>Australia raised the issue first
>then the EU started squeezing Valve's balls too

>>714022394
>it's a conspiracy!
>they are out to get us!

Or maybe you are so insufferable that giving you shit for your faggy little petition is a form of entertainment, and here we are now?

>>714022251
as a fellow US dweeb, do you earnestly think it was out of valves heart that they initiated the refund policies?

>>714022330
normies gonna normie when they hear it's already archived the needed requirements than they will join in to aslo sign in (you see this shit on kickstarter all the time, they will first ask for 40% and get rest of the 60% from effect of the the previous success).

>>714022452
Fellow STALKERs say KILL mutants! Don't kill videogames!

>>714022197
>always looks wrong to me
no idea what you mean

>>714022518
Why would they commit to keeping the lights on when it doesn’t generate revenue?
Again, you kids don’t understand the point of these games. Live service exist to emulate a casino.

Want real change? Supportt gambling laws applying to video games.

>>714022545
why are you posting here then? why don't you just "move on" as you love to go around spouting at others?

>>714020252
well it was PC only and most yugioh players were on console, also the monetization was peak ass but the game itself was fun as fuck with ingame card trading and so on

>>714022564
no? but it wasn't the EU but aussies

>>714022394
>keeping games alive is censorship
are you retarded? shutting down a game is censorship

steam always had refunds, you just had to engage with customer service to get it, and it wasn't a streamlined easy process

I know because I got a refund for Aion in 2009 I think it was

>>714022641
>keeping the lights on
I said they can pull the plug and completely abandon it. they just have to make sure that the game keeps working for those who play it
you're being facetious and aren't worth a single post

>>714022642
he can't, he is being paid by the hour

>>714013991
The problem is that they are making even fucking Minesweeper and Space Cadet Pinball live service.

>>714022710
No it’s not. This stupid intersectionality attempt doesn’t help your cause.

>>714022670
It was the EU mostly. The Aussies simply could not apply the same pressure but they are the first who started suing Valve for videogame refunds. Once the EU got involved Valve had no chance.

>>714022728
Anon, my point is that even your suggestion isn’t going to touch live service games.

Damn Babel Media is going overdrive today

>>714022641
>Why would they commit to keeping the lights on when it doesn’t generate revenue?
Because the electricity bill wouldn't be on them in this metaphor.

>Want real change? Supportt gambling laws applying to video games.
We can do both. Then again it failed once in the eu and hasn't been touched since outside of belgium and the netherlands I think?

>>714022993
My point is that I don’t think this movement is going to impact gacha games at all.

>>714022764
new windows wants basic stuff like the clock and timer online to spy on you but they may have rolled that back

>>714014571
This poster has a small hat.
A big nose.
And it's afraid.

>>714023137
this poster is too afraid to say kike

>>714022775
>make game
>sell game
>company gets bought out by jews
>jews decide game isn't profitable enough
>jews make game unplayable
>"hey let's make a law that stops jews from erasing people's hard work and creative expression!"
>"WTF NO THAT'S CENSORSHIP THEY HAVE TO BE ALLOWED TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES BY DESTROYING THINGS OTHER PEOPLE MADE YOU BIGOT"

>>714023089
Might be, might not. It's hard to predict how the eu parliament will understand the problem and what would be affected depending on their understanding.

/v/ only has like 50k unique browsers a month
anybody here who cared about this has already heard about it and already signed if they are in the EU

that is why your time here is wasted if you are interested in winning

>>714023197
It’s not censorship.

>>714021886
The full demands of "Stop Killing Games" is to make sure any and all games are preservable. Including games that are literal services, like WoW. For the sake of "preservation of media and art".
Even a partial win would be enough for things to improve because a partial win is basically ensuring a game works when a service ends or labeling a game as "this game will stop working in X years/months".

>>714022110
It currently has barely enough momentum to reach 850k in 4 weeks. It would need multiple massive awareness campaigns for it to safely reach over 1M.

>>714023195
its illegal where he lives, he will be thrown in jail (literally)
he cannot post anything like "Fuck the jews" on his bare IP on the clearnet, because he lives in a totalitarian regime

meanwhile I can say "fuck the kikes, fuck niggers, machine gun down boat migrants by the thousands, and fuck italians" and nothing will happen

>>714023137
>the jew is afraid that you're gonna keep playing video games
Retard alert.

>>714011316 (OP)
maybe stop posting CP you fucking sick fucks

>>714023264
Issue is that it’s boomers who will be reviewing this, and boomers don’t play video games.

>>714023357
>demands
demands are for people with leverage
what skiggers have is a list of grievances they are submitting to their feudal lord and then they will pray that their owner cares about them enough to throw them a bone while kicking game developers in the shins on their behalf

>>714023531
yeah I can't believe these SKG guys would resort to that for attention, really sick stuff

>>714023417
based

>>714023557
I'm using a word that was used in the post I'm replying to. I don't care about your philosophical shitposting.

>>714023357
>It currently has barely enough momentum to reach 850k
you math is shit, it only need 11k per day to get to one million before 31 july, since its doing 20k+ each day for past week, it will get there and also have at least minimum safety buffer for discounted registrations as well.

>>714023267
No way /v/ is this low.

>>714023704
say fuck the kikes, death to israel (you won't, you're scared)

meanwhile your replacements, the swarms of muzzrats and niggers your precious EU brought in, can and do say it and chant it in the streets without fear

funny that!

>>714022670
AU were the first to legally challenge it, EU are the ones who actually did the heavy lifting. This is only like 10 years ago or so for the very start of this all, anon

>>714015214
It's afraid

>>714015319
A Link marine?
In a /v/ thread?
At this time of the day?

WAGMI

>>714011454
>>714011316 (OP)
Fr nigha, who gives a shit. There will never be enough dorks to outbid the amount of votes that are needed which is based on the total population. If you want to push policies you need to get normies on board, if they are not involved in whatever gay ass initiative you have it will never fly.

How about instead you start unironical boycotting those companies who "killing" your games? Starting with worst offenders first.

>>714024370
>start unironical boycotting those companies who "killing" your games
I'm sure they'll miss those few thousands of dollars.

>>714022760