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Are we reaching the point where developers and publishers are going to realize the "modern audience" dosnt exist?

>>714042376 (OP)
It's funny because this comic was drawn and written by a man.

>>714042376 (OP)
I like booba

Considering Japanese developers and publishers are giving into the modern audience not really. Will still get worse before it gets better.

>>714042376 (OP)
Not even close.
Women are in all the AAA companies now and they aren't leaving. In fact they will probably hire more women like in the Book publishing area, which is all women now.
Your only hope is indie.

>>714044032
are women the original indians?

>>714044032
Ok tell me an indie game with attractive women on Steam that has decent gameplay and the pixel art is good

>>714042376 (OP)
Never but it doesnt matter cause they're losing their jobs

>>714042376 (OP)
LOL

>>714044557
Death must die

>>714042376 (OP)
I wish I was a gangstar

>>714044032
Good. I fucking hope this happens to accelerate inevitable fall of AAA companies.

And i play Indie only for many years and still i can find enjoyable stuff.

>>714042376 (OP)
Unironically would

>>714042376 (OP)
In the first place the idea that women don’t also want to be sexy is wrong, no one pushes female beauty standards as much as other women

>>714042376 (OP)
Never, probably. Which is fine. It took awhile but I've basically adjusted to the new landscape. Most of the games I play are indie or AAA. I stick to genres like rts, strategy, sims and niche rpgs. Wasn't easy, there was a point where I was one of those dudes who could only tolorate the newest slop, shiny graphics and hollywood voice actors. But after accepting the new norm I was eventually able to move on. Never could get into anime and stuff though, which I guess is just something I'm going to live with. Basically means I can't play games from Asia.

>>714042376 (OP)
The modern audience absolutely exists anon, who do you think made today's biggest games so big? Certainly not the millenial/boomer hardcore crowd

>>714042376 (OP)
No, they will continue to slowly bleed out any IP and destroy all good will until the industry crashes.

>>714044032
I mean a woman was in charge of the Stellar Blade costumes
>pic related

I think the real problem is modern western ideology being centerfold for the project
>people of color in places they would never exist
>making women look "realistic" - A.K.A. ugly
>pandering to the mentally and physically disabled like tranny scars or the ghost wheelchair wizard that WoW is doing

The problem is correcting itself though - a shit ton of game development companies shot their own cocks off and bled to death, metaphorically speaking, to pander to a cause only a tiny minority of people want and a silent majority of people dislike. Even the big boys like Sony had to get a new CEO to step in and titty-twist the fucking retards into shape.

We're also seeing the course turn around too, like how Street Fighter went to pandering to the ugly tranny retard crowd, censoring their skins, turning their hot characters into ugly hags, and releasing butt ugly new female fights to making a fucking thong bikini summer skin set.

It's not even a battle, it's a bunch of fucking retards being put into positions they have no right to be in, who are completely fucking withdrawn from your average person *cough* Niel Druckman *cough* who are single handedly sinking development studios for a shitty cause terminally online retards care about. It's like watching Toddlers play with matches and being surprised the house burned down, like oh no the thing that you can totally expect to happen... it fucking happened!

>>714046530
I feel strong affection towards television

>>714049209
https://publish.obsidian.md/vg-layoffs/Archive/2025

>studios shut down in 2025 ALONE

>>714049209
>street fighter starts off with having a non-binary PoC tranny announcer
>giant giga muscular tranny heros
>default costumers are covered up and censored

>ends with selling thong bikini DLC

>>714049209
>meanwhile western studios already leaning HEAVILY into western ideology added floating magic wheelchairs to be inclusive

>>714046530
I thought only women want to fuck him though

>>714042376 (OP)
not until blackrock ran out of money (never) and this >>714044032

in other words not until we kill all the j*ws

>>714042376 (OP)
Video games lag behind market attitudes by about 6 years, or one development cycle. You should see some proper course correction by '31 with a slow shift towards normalcy between now and then.

>>714051409
AAA is doomed, but this largely doesn't affect AA and Indie since studios can form at any time to make nearly anything. That's where the good games are going to be from now on.

>>714042376 (OP)
It's gacha shit. The modern audicence is gacha shit and nobody cares about "sexualization" or "objectification" because those are just designed to demoralize people into a culture that doesn't create lasting art, but cheap shit that can be consumed in seconds. A feminist will never complain about gacha, only about specific characters in a gacha usually the most attractive little girl

>>714050024
I giggle every time someone posts this picture.

>>714050024
I really hate this piece of shit. If I was disabled, I wouldn't want magical wheelchairs, I would want a motherfucking magical construct to do the walking for me or riding on the back of a familiar or... fucking something.

>>714052704
Or to just use magic to heal you outright

>>714052768
That too, but even if that's a limitation of the magical system, you would have thousands of other ideas other than "wheel chair made out of pixie farts".

>>714050127
You're right, I fucked up. I had one idea and it was to cobble together the words "gay" and "fag." I like Tenna but I don't think Spamtenna is enough to consider him as the face of homosexuality.
GOD I feel like such a poser, I swear I'm not.

>>714052814
You must die for this, sorry.

>>714050024
IT'S FLOATING, WHY THE FUCK DOES IT HAVE WHEELS?

>>714043795
Japan is being forced to DEI their games because of literal banker jews
Japan’s bigger companies are starting to ignore the kikes because they realized it’s better for business and if the banks actually pull the trigger and stop allowing Japanese international trade all because of anime tiddy it will be an international incident that will cause every government in the world to legislate against the banker jews
modern audience does not exist

>>714042376 (OP)
Big developers will never stop attempting it because due to how their corporate mentality works the numbers must go up forever or else things are 'failing'. Thus there will always some dipshit at the top that falls for the idea of some massive untapped wider market appeal that will make them morbillions of dollars if they just cater to it. This is the same shit that has been happening with all major IPs/sequels/etc it just wasn't specific to identity politics and whatnot back then.

>>714042376 (OP)
No but it doesn't matter because AI is going to force the status quo to shift one way or another. It's going to be a massive flood in quantity and reduction of time it takes to make this stuff so the shit that doesn't offer anything unique or desirable to anyone is going to sink fast in an endless sea of slop.

>>714042376 (OP)
They already know that. At this point they're just trying to convince the general public, shareholders, hedgefunds, governments, interest groups, etc. that the "modern audience" exists so that they can continue to rake in funding for flexing their conman business administration degree.
After the mid-2000s the entire industry shifted over to retardation because everyone realized that there was no more growth in the gaming market to be had.
>Oh but RAINBOW HAIR DEV went on shitter and said the thing, it has to be the developers
Literally just a PR-coached fall guy, essentially identical to paid testimonial actors.
>>714044032
AAA companies don't exist. At best you have overfunded daycares for consultants, senior centers for board members and dog&pony shows for investors.
>>714046938
They have already fallen. The last AAA games (and even most of the last AA games) were made before 2012 after a few years of bleeding all vital resources.
>>714052113
It massively affects AA. They can't just magic up funds without working with an existing entity and most of the established publishers are dysfunctional shitshows that are unlikely to work with them in good faith.
Indie also has problems, since they still depend on the continued functional support of engines and tools, something that is only even vaguely assured with open source, since even established brands like Unity can get bought by advertising malware companies and become unusable.
Sure they could make their own engines (lmao), but that massively stems the potential availability of indie dev.

>>714055062
>It massively affects AA. They can't just magic up funds without working with an existing entity and most of the established publishers are dysfunctional shitshows that are unlikely to work with them in good faith.
Not saying it's easy, but frankly there are more options than ever for seeking independent funding through crowdsourcing. As for engines and tools, those are practically free to use until you start making a profit off it, and that doesn't take much. The real difficult part is coming up with an idea for a good game.

>>714052113
What's to stop them from bribing government i to making indie games illegal?

>>714055348
The fact that we live in a gerontocracy and faggot old people don't give a single shit about video games, for good or ill. Not to mention that banning indie games is a ridiculous proposition to begin with.

>>714055348
International IP law already exists and allows for massive abuse, so they don't need to bribe governments.
They can already effectively block indie dev if they want to, since it's not like anyone can contest a major company on their own even when the company is taking illegal actions.
Mods and fangames are taken down all the time and those are indie dev.

>>714055623
I’ve only ever seen Nintendo do this
not saying it doesn’t happen with other companies but I don’t see any modded SQUAD servers being shut down despite them using Star Wars characters

6 months ago, /v/ was smugly telling me that DEI is dead
Now we're back to cope threads about how it's 2 weeks away lol
I'm so glad I don't get filtered out of games because characters aren't attractive enough for me to coom to. Must be a miserable existence.

But there ARE a ton of people who complain that the artstyle in jojo became too faggy from the end of Part 4.

>>714044557
Deedlit in Wonder Labyrinth

>>714042376 (OP)
Summer Games fest shows that woke shit is here to stay, even that James Bond game look like not only a shitty game but half the characters were nigs, jeets etc.

>>714057671
That's because they don't understand how and why woke got a foothold, grew like a cancer, and then entrenched itself.
They see Trump gets elected, and think that somehow negates the long march through the institutions.
>I'm so glad I don't get filtered out of games because characters aren't attractive enough for me to coom to
This is a failing that both you and they have:
"Woke" character designs aren't the problem, they're a symptom of the fundamental issues that undergird the industry, and I'd argue society as a whole.

>>714058259
And those people have shit taste.

>>714042376 (OP)
They have always known that there is no such thing as the "modern audience." So stop using that subversive language already. Goddammit. These companies are paid by BlackRock, Vanguard, and the globalist elite to intentionally vandalize and ruin franchises that white males love. It's subversive warfare. The goal is mass demoralization, social division, and distraction from the elite's other agendas. We mention all of this on a daily basis. It should be know to most of you by now.

>>714058853
>"Woke" character designs aren't the problem, they're a symptom of the fundamental issues that undergird the industry, and I'd argue society as a whole.
If I get good fun games that are considered woke, then how big a problem could it possibly be?

I think one actual big issue is that there is a lack of variety in perspectives in vidya. But that's because chuds don't make games and don't want to. I wish more chuds went with the Styg method and nutted up and did their own shit rather than just crying online about how all the devs are meanie wokies. And no, relying on AIslop is not a solution cause no one's gonna play that garbage.

>>714047160
mei vibes

>>714049841
he was hot in his concept art though... if street fighters artstyle was not so ugly they could have puilled it off

>>714053058
because blizzard was MUCH too lazy to make a new model

>>714044032
while everybody here is already aware of the HR menace, it's prudent to keep in mind that videogames are part software -- and making software is for technically-minded people
you won't get book-tier split between the sexes, but you better be prepared for *all* the front-facing to be women or somebody who scored higher on the oppression olympics

>>714050024
okay but why does it have wheels if it can float

>>714059075
>good fun games that are considered woke, then how big a problem could it possibly be?
Then I would ask for examples of such, because no game that focuses on being woke is good. The examples you're thinking of likely only have it in the most ancillary and ignorable of ways.

>Why don't "chuds" just make games?
Because the level of commitment required, versus the risk of it not panning out isn't worth it.
The arts, if you're not talented (and even then) or bankrolled by the CIA, Mafia or other patron groups, aren't lucrative, and seeing as the majority of legit patron groups are distinctly in the thrall of said highly liberal socio-political garbage, you're not going to get far.
>Go independent
This wouldn't have any effect on the broader industry. You would be an oddity, easily ignored, even if successful.

>rather than just crying online about how all the devs are meanie wokies.
No, we just won't buy their garbage. The retards claiming woke is "dead" do have one valid point, and that's that it's currently driving most companies that do have this shit to bankruptcy.
And if they refuse to listen, then I wish them a very happy death.

>>714042376 (OP)
I dunno, maybe when games for the modern audience stop making millions and stop being consider games of the year/decade/century, but that's a long ways out

>>714053652
You're a fool. AI making development easier only serves to help cement the status quo. The general audience already cares more about intellectual property more than anything else in the world, and is already the quality that most people consider to be what's important, "unique," and "desirable." AI is going to do nothing to rock that boat, in fact it'll only empower them to crank out more slop, and the flood will only serve to obfuscate the smaller talent trying to carve out their niche.

>>714059741
>Then I would ask for examples of such, because no game that focuses on being woke is good. The examples you're thinking of likely only have it in the most ancillary and ignorable of ways.
You're kind of giving the game away here before I even name titles. If a woke game is shit, it was too focused on it, if a woke game is good, it wasn't actually all that woke.
>Because the level of commitment required, versus the risk of it not panning out isn't worth it.. The arts, if you're not talented (and even then) or bankrolled by the CIA, Mafia or other patron groups, aren't lucrative
Yeah, sure, I buy that. Conservatives are smarter and want more stable jobs than Christmasland shit like video game development. The embarrassing part is that then chuds cry about games not catering to them. It's not the leftist developer's fault that your side doesn't make games.
>and that's that it's currently driving most companies that do have this shit to bankruptcy. And if they refuse to listen, then I wish them a very happy death.
lol
Two more weeks, brothers!!! They will finally listen to us!!! Or they will hecking suffer!!!
Cry all you want. It makes me laugh.

>>714059075
>But that's because chuds don't make games and don't want to.
Chuds don't run the industry and even if they slipped in they'd be wrangled and beaten into producing woke shit because that is what the people in charge want.
For an indie dev it's a tall order to ask one person to be good at coding, drawing, voice acting, music, writing, etc. at the same time or to expect them to take out a loan to hire a team and risk total financial ruin.

>I wish more chuds went with the Styg method
Underrail looks like a game that was made 25 years ago, it's fine for what it is but I don't see how you consider it some example of high art that is superior to AI. I'd like to see modern 3d indie games too and not just "retro-styled" shit.

>And no, relying on AIslop is not a solution cause no one's gonna play that garbage.
I'll play them, I don't have heartburn about some artist needing to get their cut, I already listen to AI music, read AI writing, and use AI based mods
If you really believe AI content is shit you have no reason to worry about it since it will just be ignored and die off.
Instead I see most AI opponents in here talking like some union mobster racket that are going to riot and break knee-caps if anyone tries to release a game in this country without them getting a stack of money.

>>714060058
>The general audience already cares more about intellectual property more than anything else in the world
If you believe everyone is too stupid and brainwashed to buy from more than a handful of companies with the best tech then everything is fucked no matter what anyone does so nothing matters and indie devs might as well not bother.

> and the flood will only serve to obfuscate the smaller talent trying to carve out their niche.
People with niche tastes will have to learn to use filters, other communities, or word of mouth and indie devs will have to target more direct and specific audiences like mainstream game devs did years ago before gaming became mainstream. But since it will be cheaper they don't need to sell a million copies to make a profit either.

Realistically if someone makes good shit that people want they will find it, there is not some massive stockpile of amazing games nobody in the world has ever heard of.

>>714050024
Remember kids, there is NO escape from your disability!
If you’re crippled, there’s no fantasy land where you can be healed, you’re fucked there too!

>>714060420
>If a woke game is shit, it was too focused on it, if a woke game is good, it wasn't actually all that woke.
There will obviously be a degree of subjectivity in any analysis regarding it, unless some objective measure has been developed since I last posted.
For simplicity's sake, something like Baldur's Gate 3 is minimally woke, some garbage like Dustborn is focused on it.
Most games that are woke fall in-between those extremes.

>It's embarrassing, stop complaining about it
No, I personally think it's important to point out how shit games are getting, and that it's this socio-political garbage causing it, mainly because it may eventuate in publishers forcing said devs to stop being so retarded and gay, as it affects the bottom line in an outsized manner...but unfortunately I'm also aware that this would need to happen across multiple industries, and that a circulation of elites may be necessary.

>Two more weeks, brothers!!! They will finally listen to us!!! Or they will hecking suffer!!!
No, it won't, no they won't, and if I'm being cynical, no they won't.

>Cry all you want. It makes me laugh.
You're under the impression that your takes affect me emotionally.
The purpose of this conversation is to both re-evaluate my own beliefs and knowledge (done) as well as give others some insight into why "woke" won't die.
Seeing as you've devolved into "cope and seethe" tier language, I think my own farts have been sufficiently huffed.

>>714042376 (OP)
In fairness, the argument this guy is making is bullshit.
Comic books were marketed to boys and it IS a male power fantasy. But that's fine.
If it doesn't appeal to you, don't buy it.
You don't see us complaining that trashy romance novels don't appeal to us.
But if you want to complain that there aren't enough comics appealing to women, that's fine.
Just stop acting like we're bigots for liking sexy women. That's the part that drives me crazy.

>>714050024
Why not just put him on a magic carpet or something

>>714053058
>>714059650
They had a "wheelchair" on their latest DEI checklist, not hoverchair. Why would they put any thought into this.

>>714061723
Quiet bigot.

>>714050024
Marche won.

>>714042376 (OP)
>thats false equivalence
just shut the fuck up lmao

>>714042376 (OP)
It's not about making thing they want, it's a bout making thing you don't want anon,
They lost and with time they will be purged, but until then they will retaliate from their last bastion
get woke go broke

>>714048172
Ok trannie.
Your fake opinion doesn't matter either way

>>714048518
the migrating fleet of graphicsfags FOMOs that would buy anyhitng as long as it has marketing, anon.
They buy, yes, but they are also the reason games are expensive to the point of being barely profitable

>>714042376 (OP)
>"if I'm gonna get the hots for a man he's got to be built for dexterity, not power"
>buys a dozen self-insert romancelit books about getting borderline raped by billionaire mafioso bodybuilders who are also werewolves
Not half obvious that this was written by a guy.

>>714061440
I like how there's no counterargument to any of this; you even go as far as to admit that it just means indie devs will have to try harder, but it's fine because "uhhhhhhh the lower cost will cover the lessened exposure" (even though they'll have to pay more to actually be able to sell anything)

>>714061562
>For simplicity's sake, something like Baldur's Gate 3 is minimally woke
lmao
>No, it won't, no they won't, and if I'm being cynical, no they won't.
And that's unironically a good thing. Developers should be free to make what they want and not get harassed for it. Especially indie developers, which also get shit (Looking at Relooted as a recent example). There's nothing cynical about thinking we live in a world where whiners can't just force developers to make slop they don't believe in for the sake of catering to people that hate their guts.

>>714042376 (OP)
Eventually you'll realize that marketing isn't trying to sell you shit games, but that shit games sell you marketing, i.e.: pad traffic and engagement -- they are little more than onboarding schemes to consultation rackets, e-grifting parasocialites and digitial daycare-botfarms.
The industry has been captured by PR gremlins. These PR gremlins cultivate an unsustainable economy of lies: they sell problems, rent out solutions (marginally smaller problems) and deceive everyone -- shareholders, developers, customers and players. They don't care about the quality or reception of the product, they don't care about what you believe, love or hate and they don't care to convince you of anything. The more controversy, the better for them.

Their final goal however is to distract and placate you, while high finance (read: their owners, banksters) turns your passions and lifetime into vacuous commodities.

>be PR gremlins
>gaslight publisher into whipping developers into frenzy to create super-slop
>gobble up the majority of the "development" budget, recommend hiring nepotists
>proliferate more slop to e-grifting parasocialites to fan the flames; hype a product you know will fail miserably, gaslight customers and shareholders with predatory marketing
>reinvest a fraction of your hyper-bloated budget and buy copies through subsidaries and at a discount to gaslight everyone some more, after padding stats shortterm refund to ruin them longterm
>simultaneousely shill for and against the product to maximize controversy and thus traffic, engagement and demand of your service and that of your buisness partners, such as consultation rackets
>eventually come out of it being the sole profiteer, blaming everyone else

In other words: if you're a shareholder of a publisher or developer studio instead of an investor to a marketing agency, then you are a barely functional lobotomite.

>>714042376 (OP)
Jrpg MC's have always been giant faggots, so they do exist

>>714059075
>good fun games
>that are considered woke
oximoron
doesn't exist

>>714059075
>chuds don't make games
all games made before your invasion are "chud"
all franchises you ruined and parasited were "chud"
you invaded "chud" industry to prevent more "chud" game to get made
GET WOKE GO BROKE

>>714061562
Balding Gay 3 is 200% woke shit and it only exists as gay porn dating sim to be fapped at by alphabets.
It's bad and astroturfed
all woke games are objectively bad

>>714061562
>why "woke" won't die.
Fasscist and Nazis said the same things
Your fad is innatural and nothing innatural is here to stay

>>714062961
>I like how there's no counterargument to any of this; you even go as far as to admit that it just means indie devs will have to try harder
Yeah the bar gets raised so indie devs have to try harder but also have the ability to create a better product. If you were planning to shit out slop that is worse than AI gen don't bother at this point. Players are the ones who benefit the most from higher standards, indie devs who take pride in their work will be happy to meet the expectation.

I'm sorry if you want a world where people are forced to pay for bottom tier shit to create fake pointless jobs. You can pay a caveman to finger-paint rocks for you

>>714053058
Because they've needed to complete the "diversity" bingochart.
It floats to 1) justify it being used by one of the most powerful mages in the setting and 2) save on animation time for the wheels -- begs the question: why not levitate yourself, enchant your legs or deploy some of the arcane technology that's excessively used for all kinds of trivial shit?
Yet it has wheels to make sure that the terminally domesticated and propagandized debtcattle who still pays for and consumes this turboslop recognizes Slopzard's incessant virtue signalling.

>>714042376 (OP)
>implying that women don't want to play attractive women
funny that, I remember riot games releasing player statistics that 99% of their female players exclusively played as pretty or cute female champions and had never played any other type of champion. So pretty much every woman playing it exclusively played hot women.
Now that doesn't mean its the case for every game, but such polarizing statistics really says a lot.

>>714063403
>all games made before your invasion are "chud"
Translation:
>I wasn't mindbroken by clickbait articles and grifters on both sides of the aisle before 2013 so I was just happily playing games instead of crying about how they were woke
But yes, when you get radicalized like that, I'm sure it seems like games changed all of a sudden. It was you, though. You changed.

>>714063795
No, I was there before your fad, and I will be there before your fad, extremist

>>714063864
>before
*after

>>714063106
>lmao
XD

>And that's unironically a good thing
Not in a system where they can't feel the consequences of peddling their garbage.
If they could, yes I would I agree with you.

>>714063492
It really isn't.
>all woke games are objectively bad
They're subjectively bad, on a technical level many games are competent, yet are overshadowed by the gay shit they inject into it.

>>714063582
I'd recommend you read the full reply chain before making comments in the future

>>714063908
>Not in a system where they can't feel the consequences of peddling their garbage.
You're crying that video game developers can make games you don't like and get away with it. It's baby tier thinking. The industry shouldn't solely cater to you.
>>714063864
I do hope you will one day grow up and finally stop being a radicalized brainlet. But I just don't see it happening. You'll still be crying about the leftist influence in vidya on your last year on God's green Earth.

>>714044032
The real solution is just to say fuck everything thats new like who cares about new books? There's millions of them you havent read there's thousands of movies and games you havent seen/played so

>>714050024
I know this is said a lot but this genuinely seems like mocking the disabled seriously
>haha you want to use games to escape? YOU'LL ALWAYS BE DISABLED AND EVEN WITH MAGIC AND RIDABLE DRAGONS YOU'LL BE CONFINED TO A WHEEL CHAIR HAHAHAHA
thats exactly what it seems like

>>714064023
>You're complaining that video game developers can make games you don't like and get away with it.
As I believe they would be financially unviable if not for the system they're currently in propping then up, yes.
Unless you think receiving millions in tax payer money is the free market at work, in which case I think I'm done here.

>The industry shouldn't solely cater to you.
Nor should it focus on blind, crippled LGBTQBRAAP+ mystermeat, but I doubt you're willing to acknowledge that.

>>714063908
>subjectively
objectively

>>714064023
>I do hope you will ...
Everyone voted against you, even "your" side
You have to hide your shit and parasite stuff made fro normal people, because your shit is otherwise always rejected
You are just a fad, and the opposite of woke is normality
GET WOKE GO BROKE

>>714064107
I already do this.
Only for games I pay attention in case there is the occasional stuff still aimed at normal people

>>714064435
>As I believe they would be financially unviable if not for the system they're currently in propping then up, yes.
Games have flopped for decades. There were indie flops and big AAA flops in 2010 through 2013, before you got mindbroken by politics. Furthermore, indie games have lower ceilings and can make do with less. Roadwarden is a woke game that has undoubtedly made its money back with 3,705 reviews on Steam.
You live in an era where Steam has made PC gaming more accessible than ever. Your idea that all developers you don't like are gonna go destitute because they didn't make slop that catered to enough people is a pure fantasy. And again, that is literally a good thing.
>Unless you think receiving millions in tax payer money is the free market at work
Oh, please. What tax money did Celeste get?
>>714064473
Anon, your post looks good and sound at a glance, but what use is it if in 2035 you're still gonna be parroting this shit? Does the "Two more weeks" bit not get tiring?

>>714063589
>Yeah the bar gets raised
lol, lmao

No bar is being raised. You agreed to as such yourself: It's not about quality, it's about quantity. The flooding >>714053652 of the market. Indie games already have to try hard in marketing to stand out from the throngs of actual trash and the likes that will clog up new releases not by merit but by sheer number, and you just expect them to have an ever increasing marketing budget to deal with pushing against even more trash before they've made even a single cent. It's also funny that you mention players benefiting from higher standards, but you tacitly show here >>714061440 with
>there is not some massive stockpile of amazing games nobody in the world has ever heard of.
that your standards and expectations have already been warped by actually good games being flooded out by the existing number of sloppa, and you're gruesomely unaware of how much far beyond simple word of mouth and level of quality is required to meet ears in this current market. The deluge will only increase with AI, and the increased obfuscation will lower the standards of retards like yourself all the more.

>>714064551
the only new shit you should care about is indie shit (that has less than 1000 reviews not main stream shit like hades) thats before it blows up and becomes streamer bait of course

>>714042376 (OP)
"Modern audience", "global audience", "modern sensibilities" and other Jewish buzzwords like that are code names for Jewish ESG investors

>>714064714
Every single woke product flops, except in those rare occasions where yo usuccesfully hide it behind a bulletproof IP made popular by nromal people and marketed at normal people
>>714064714
>Anon, your post lo...
You are kickign and screaming because you lost everywhere else and our entertainment industry is your last bastion.
Get woke go broke

>>714064930
Ok, anon, but in 2035 you'll still be saying this. And by that point there will have been at least one new democrat president in the United States.

>>714064727
yep, true

>>714065000
in 2035 you will still use Balding Gay 3 as a proof that gwgb isn't true, still ignoring that it's because yo uparasited D&D and Baldur's Gat IP
In 2035 the status quo will openly classify your dead fad as the villain, and economically and socially unviable

>>714064714
>Games have flopped for decades...
A flop occuring is not the same thing as a studio going under.

>Roadwarden...
Fine? My issue isn't with woke indie trash existing, or even doing well. There will be a market for it, it's just not representative of the Vidya market as a whole, especially AAA or even AA.

>Your idea that all developers you don't like are gonna go destitute
All? No.
Studios that do retarded, big budget garbage like Veilguard? Yes.
I'd recommend that you actually pay attention to what people say, instead of imagining what they say if you want to be taken seriously, and not just written off as some discord tranny or some such.

>Celeste...
No clue, I'm assuming by the leading question they received none?

>>714042376 (OP)
The modern audience are the investors.
They want a propaganda that will demoralize the mass and pay for that.

>>714064850
>>714064930
100%

>>714064717
>No bar is being raised. You agreed to as such yourself: It's not about quality, it's about quantity
The bar is basically 0 now and people release badly drawn shit with zero effort. The quantity of AI floods that out so that whatever can be produced with AI in a couple hours becomes the minimum baseline. That is the bar. No one is going to pay a dev/artist for something worse than what they personally can produce with AI.

>you just expect them to have an ever increasing marketing budget to deal with pushing against even more trash before they've made even a single cent
You talk like some corporate salesman with tunnel vision who thinks everyone is a moron, ads are all that matter in the world, and it's impossible to sell anything unless you spend millions to shill it. I'm sure you work in the industry and that is where you get this philosophy but you're chasing the dragon. Not every game has to target "everyone". That is one of the main reasons companies release so much generic shit today. You can keep your costs low and target a small audience and still make a good product if you do not get caught up into trying to become a corporation with 20+ employees and AI helps that.

>that your standards and expectations have already been warped by actually good games being flooded out by the existing number of sloppa, and you're gruesomely unaware of how much far beyond simple word of mouth and level of quality is required to meet ears in this current market.
There are games that sell for a couple dollars and still make a profit because their cost is low, for example many on itch.io among other places. Not everything has to be a million dollar 5 year cash cow. Contrary to what our corporate overlords believe everyone is not hive-minded and there are many types of communities and people in the world who want different things. Meaning different games will appeal to them and they will put in the effort to find them in the sea of slop.

>>714065606
the masses wouldn't pay for it if they didn't want it.

>>714042376 (OP)
Deltarune sold for a reason.

>>714066821
And they don't. Profit made up front before sales. Pay attention.

>>714063820
>misread taki as "takj"
>listed her voice actor next to her name because they thought the character was modeled after her
journalists holy shit lmao

>>714061467
This is fucking evil lel

But I exist
>>714044557
Rusted Moss

>>714042491
It's not that funny. A majority of the "no sexy women" stuff comes from men who are trying to show women how enlightened and not-sexist they are in an attempt to get laid.
Women like sexy women as much as men do.

>>714067206
>women

>>714063795
Imagine trying to portray a fake reality as being real when we live in one.
>Marvel-shit then
>Robbing banks is bad, don't kill people, power comes with responsibility, life can be shit but you should always be the better person
>Marvel-shit now
>Don't talk bad about israel
I fucking wish that was made up, but no, comics now suggest 'talking bad about israel' is comparable to mass murder.

>>714068203
Marvel was always pro Isreal, anon. Superhero comics have never not been state propaganda. The closest they ever got to being genuinely counter culture was before World War 2.

>>714068298
>Marvel was always pro Isreal
There's that fake-reality nonsense again, hey retard, people have been alive for decades and lived through that shit. Saying something does not make it real, no matter how much communist mindsets believes so.

>>714068363
I've seen old comics. They were always propaganda, especially during the cold war. That includes being Pro Isreal. They even had a Isreal superhero.

>>714068363
lmfao retard
are you implying "captain america" isn't US state propaganda?

>>714068454
>Heh, there was one obscure and unpopular jew-hero CHUD
>That's the same as every MAIN LINE HERO being pro-trans and gay
You keep portraying a non-real reality, why do you do that?
Why do you think lying works when people know the truth?

>>714042376 (OP)
No, but they're certainly aware that the /v/ audience doesn't exist. No one here buys games, so the mainstream will never cater to our interests, as you've essentially withdrawn your argument from the debate.

>>714053652
i will forever be mad that everyone uses this same meme with the new text document plastered over it

>>714068543
>N-No, you see it wasn't state propaganda because one element of it was vaguely unpopular.
Comics were always American state propaganda.

State propoganda? I don't see it.

Clearly no propaganda to be seen here.

Damn, remember when comic books were non political?

>>714069064
based, fuck weebs

>>714042376 (OP)
>being strong and adhering to a male standard of beauty is different, because men want to be strong!
>it's totally different because us women don't want to be big breasted bimbos!
alright this works in a vacuum but they, en masse, DO want to look like the beauty standard, so how is them being objectified if by her own standards that is a female power fantasy?

>>714066821
is that why big video game companies and movie studios are and have been hemorrhaging money for the past decade and we're seeing some of the largest lay offs the industry has ever seen across the board? Because everyone likes it so much?

>>714069497
>is that why big video game companies and movie studios are and have been hemorrhaging money for the past decade and we're seeing some of the largest lay offs the industry has ever seen across the board?
No, it's because of the myth of infinite growth and unsustainable budgets. Actual sales are generally higher than they've been ten years ago.

By “modern audience” they mean “uncritical audience”

>>714069632
They mean "The people that are buying Deltarune and keeping that fanbase alive on places like Tumblr". Companies want the Homostuck/Steven Universe/Tumblr fandom. They don't realize what it takes to actually get that.

>>714069540
>it was unsustainable growth, that's why instead of incremental losses slowly everything toppled down to a pile of shit and investors openly lost billions keeping it propped up

>>714060420
>Two more weeks, brothers!!! They will finally listen to us!!! Or they will hecking suffer!!!
We've had nearly two years of hard flopping on woke. It's not a matter of two weeks honestly, the industry takes years to adapt. What we're seeing coming out today was the prevailing attitude about 6 years ago. It's gonna take a lot longer than two weeks for things to sort themselves out and we're gonna see a lot more layoffs in the meantime.

>>714071690
>and we're gonna see a lot more layoffs in the meantime.
Good.

>>714065117
>in 2035 you will still use Balding Gay 3 as a proof that gwgb isn't true, still ignoring that it's because yo uparasited D&D and Baldur's Gat IP
No, I'll be using other examples, and you'll have copes for those two. Kingdom Come 2 just came out, bud.
>In 2035 the status quo will openly classify your dead fad as the villain, and economically and socially unviable
Afraid not. You'll still be whining about woke games coming out and saying "Two more weeks". That's the problem.

>>714065430
>it's just not representative of the Vidya market as a whole
Correct, it isn't. So what? The main representation of the vidya market is Cowadoody and Rockstarslop. Whether you consider that woke or not is your call, but whatever it is now is what it will remain, because it keeps succeeding.

>>714071743
For them as well, someone needs to get onto them to start forming a bunch of indie and AA studios. Not that I think they'll make anything really good, but it'll still be great to undermine AAA in any way possible.

>>714049209
You can just say it's the jews here anon.

>>714071690
It takes so long to "adapt" that by 2035 it will still not have "adapted".

>>714070462
Investors were literally making insane amounts of cash only a few years ago. The issue is they looked at the insane amount of money brought in by Covid and asked "Okay, but how can we make even more money?"

>>714042376 (OP)
What was the original showing

>>714042376 (OP)
>modern audience
no. they're desperate to make line go up.
line doesn't go up unless you get more retards to buy 80 dollar movie games.

remember, all the major publishers are publicly traded companies.

>>714071690
Every game that sold well was also woke, anon.

>>714042376 (OP)
It's never going to stop for western vidya
So long as companies remain public traded those in charge have to bend over for investors and investors will always want maximum market appeal which means churning out pure slop.
It isn't even necessarily a woke thing. Slop will reign so long as you try to appeal to as wide a market as possible, aka normalfags (the true source of the blight)

>>714042376 (OP)
"Modern audience" is just satan speak for young minds open for molding. Luckily these games are pretentious and try too hard.

>>714058613
I mean its not going anywhere because all Western dev's are woke (all being me just rounding up)

it'll be forced to be toned down by Money Fuckers above them to make money, but the problem at hand is people always being inclined to push it because Progressive Leftism requires active participation.

>>714074306
do w*men really read this? honest.

>>714074429
Yes, they just don't admit it

>>714063492
>Balding Gay 3 is 200% woke shit and it only exists as gay porn dating sim to be fapped at by alphabets.
You are the one deciding who to romance, it's your fault if you end up fucking the bear.

>being huge and muscular is a male power fantasy
nope, the 2 criteria that matter most is being taller than the girl you want to fuck, and having a big dick

>>714074429
Yes
Though I imagine zoomer chicks just watch facebook reels of generic dudes doing things and other women talking about it
Women in general are pretty shallow and stupid

>>714074578
>Japanese game.
>Japanese game.
>Japanese game
>Western game

Western games have always been fucking hideous.

>>714074429
yes, women prefer book smut.

don't get it twisted, it isn't tamer than porn, they eventually start getting they really really hard core smut books as they get more into them and alot of them have insanely hardcore shit written.

>>714074429
yes. Even my super christian girlfriend who was a bit of prude had a secret stash of smutty novels she was super embarassed about. I thought it was pretty hot and she got super horny when she read them so I didn't mind.

>>714074429
They do and cope about it only being older women who like this when in truth younger ones do too when their brains aren't fried by birth control.

>>714042376 (OP)
Every time I talk with a guy who has major sexual hangups with women I realize they're the ones who did it to themselves. I know a guy who cheated on his pregnant wife who whined about how misandry is the biggest problem in the world and he will not be moved from it

>>714074708
Zoomerinas are flicking their bean to the AI ERP en masse

>>714074306
>one of them is literally just called "Rock Hard"
lmao and women have the audacity to call men coomers

>>714074429
My grandma had a tone of these.

>>714074306
>all but one of them are bare chested men
>the one that isn't shows cleavage
Big think

>>714050024
>Archmage
>Still a cripple
Is this some kind of divine curse or why can't he just levitate everywhere without some dumb chair?

>>714042376 (OP)
>not posting what she actually draw

>>714063795
>Respect Minorities
Not
>Respect Everyone

>>714071764
>Kingdom Come 2
No you wont.
>minuscule woke side
>carefully hidden until 2 week before launch
>parasiting IP made successful before wokeness
Thank for agreeing with me, dying-fad-kun.

>>714067319
>It's not that funny. A majority of the "no sexy women" stuff comes from men who are trying to show women how enlightened and not-sexist they are in an attempt to get laid.
>Women like sexy women as much as men do.

>>714069156
Comincshit is all like that now, just worse
And yes that shit was bad back then

>>714064312
>ywn have the cripple necromancer class carried by skeletons on a palanquin
>ywn have the frail intmaxxed mage on his hover chair

>>714078961
See? I'll be using other examples and you'll have cope for those too. You just demonstrated it.

>>714046530
kektus

>>714074306
To be fair, the original argument is that AAA videogames should not be treated like a niche hobby and filled with tropes that target white heterosexual men. Now we know that no one else buys AAA games, bit still, the original argument is that. Then, on top of that women and homos started arguing that their tropes are somehow "better", butI'm not sure anyone actually believes it (and that's where your picture serves as an illustration).

>>714079204
>NO U
lmao take the L, bot
Come back after downloading an argument and you aren't just on loop tryiong to get the last word

>>714079406
>Since this picture was posted California went from the fifth largest economy in the world to the fourth
>Happened entirely because complainers went to other states racing to the bottom with unsustainable tax programs
No, please, stop moving to Nashville. We totally miss you.

>>714079381
A game should be either made for gays or for normal people (99% of people).
Nobody normal wants to see gayshit and that's ok. Japan sell shit to every single demographics proportionately to their size and nobody is unhappy
You afaggots aren't entitled to rub your fetish in the face of others

>>714079539
>moving the goalpost
QED

>>714079539
and the highest homeless population

>>714079539
BASED

>>714079954
>Look, we dump our trash somewhere else, that means we don't have the problem my god look at all of your trash
It's the same reason we have so many gays and weirdos, you people keep chasing them out of your towns and acting like they just spring up naturally here. We don't want them and never have, I wish your hobos would die on the streets of Wichita instead of here so you wouldn't be so uppity

>>714079164
>Just worse
It was always shit. Comics are American state propaganda. Always have been, always will be.

>>714077773
>Is this some kind of divine curse or why can't he just levitate everywhere without some dumb chair?
He wanted to stay visibly a victim so people on Twatter would call him stunning and brave.

>>714074306
>tfw I went to an Aldi's and there was literally a stand of books titled "your latest obsession" and it was just low-quality women's romance books
For the Americans, Aldi is a cheap supermarket chain.

>>714081028
Now you are being extreme.
Petriotism and thinking highly of your own country should be the norm, it used to be norm before the leftard self-flagellating anti american movement.
It's not the same as propaganda, even if it can become that when it's written by retards

>>714063795
It used to be "respect everyone"
now people are specifically catering to minorities for whatever fucking reason, they don't even consume the media which pander to them

>a female such as myself
Nobody talks like this, you know.

>>714082145
>Petriotism and thinking highly of your own country should be the norm,
If you are fed a constant diet of propaganda, sure.

> it used to be norm before the leftard self-flagellating anti american movement.
As opposed to the right wingers who think 50% of the American population are pedophiles or want America to be totally razed to the ground and ruled over by a monarch.

>It's not the same as propaganda, even if it can become that when it's written by retards
It is 100% both propaganda. The very idea of patriotism is inherently propaganda. You are clearly very prone to being influenced by propaganda so I don't expect you to understand.

>>714082232
>It used to be respect everyone
Then the right rejected that.

You get what you fucking deserve.

>>714050024
>Sorry, this post has been removed by the moderators of r/wow.

>>714079174
>cool necromancer buddy
>always seems to be one spell slot short
>one day you walk into an anti magic zone by accident and he just flops over
>turns out he was paralysed from the neck down but raised his own skeleton as a minion

>>714082454
>Then the right rejected that.
According to whom?
And what's with the extremist "us vs them" bullshit? An intelligent person takes ideas from both sides, a retard sits to the bitter end at one end of either specrum.

>>714082232
worse. They are taking away stuff rom other main demographics to do that shit

>>714082378
I'm not american and I think you are just schizo

>>714082898
According to everything you guys do, say, vote on, and generally believe in.

>An intelligent person takes ideas from both sides, a retard sits to the bitter end at one end of either specrum.
A side needs to have ideas for that to be applicable.

>>714082898
this, and btw it's leftards who went to the extreme, unprovoked, and shat the bed.
And now they are compalining about the natural equal and opposite reaction
>>714082454
You'll suffer the backlass, knowing that it's all your fault, invader

>>714063864
tummy

Isn't being a sexy model of a woman a female power fantasy as well? All women crave to be Aphrodite, more than any man would desire to be a chad.

>>714083162
You don't need to be American to be weak to propaganda.

>>714083297
>You'll suffer the backlash
Just two more weeks, right?

>>714042376 (OP)
Slowly. Normality always wins in the end

>>714049541
Crytek as a whole has not shut down and neither has Jagex. this list isn't worth the server space it takes up. fake news

>>714083337
I think women power fantasies are more about hot powerful men lusting after them even if they aren’t attractive. Of course they’d prefer to be physically beautiful too, but the key point is the men fawning over them.

>>714083337
I think the logic is that since both men and women agree what the beauty standard is, and generally agree that it's attractive, the women being hot is more for men to ogle at than women to aspire to, as opposed to ultra strong men who are less attractive than ottermode dudes, and yet are also something for men to aspire to.
So ideal women are for men to oggle and ideal men are for men to aspire to, whereas from a female perspective, female women could be someone to aspire to, but they don't exist for that reason, and the men only exist to show how big and strong they are.
Frankly, I don't see a ton of difference, but they pretend there is one. Also as the OP demonstrates, plenty of stories feature men who don't fit traditional masculinity standards and yet are still equally unobtainable for men.
tl;dr if foids didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any at all

>>714044557
Princess and conquest

>>714063582
>leftist literally uses NO U tier deflection
if your rainbow delulu was normal then it wouldn't need to be normalized, baby boy
as delusional as prime lolcows like Cyraxx. Many such cases!

>>714083213
>everything you guys
Who's "you guys"? Everyone who disagrees with (you)?
>a side needs to have ideas for that to be applicable
the side you oppose has no ideas but yours absolutely has them?
Don't you find that very convenient, that you just happened to take the side that is always right about everything? Out of the 8,229,418,572 people on the planet, you and you alone, just happen to know everything for a fact? Wow, really amazing.

>>714084039
Women want men to lust after them, but most importantly they want other women to be woefully jealous of them. They desire beauty primarily for conquest over other women.

>>714042376 (OP)
>the "modern audience" dosnt exist?
Everyone knew that from the beginning. The purpose of ugly bad-on-purpose games isn't to attract a new audience, it's to give the middle finger to people like you.
Say what you will about game developers, it's impressive that they're willing to sacrifice profits for the sake of spite.

>>714049209
>making women look "realistic" - A.K.A. ugly
This one pisses me off the most. If you just walk around outside you will see plenty of hot women walking around IRL. Being hot isn't unrealistic, especially for important characters who are supposed to be aspirational or whose charisma is relevant to the narrative.

Funnily enough, it's even more realistic for important and successful characters to be attractive, since attractiveness is positively correlated with intelligence, social, career, and economic success.

>>714082454
>Then the right rejected that.
Who is "the right" your parents who weren't totally enthusiastic about your plan to chop off your dick, put on a skirt, and spend the rest of your life pretending to be a little girl while living on the fringe of society?
Personally I don't give a fuck about your fetishes but objectively you were only allowed to become this powerful because people on the right were too complacent and tolerant which allowed you to destroy them. Notice this shit doesn't happen in Russia, China, or the Middle East where it is ruthlessly nipped in the bud with extreme prejudice. Luckily many Americans have learned their lesson the hard way and will not forget it.

>>714063795
Youre full of shit, there does exist a difference between pre Sarkeesian games and post Sarkeesian games

>>714074712
Nope

>>714084754
The “modern audience” that marketers talk about doesn’t exist. The actual modern audience does exist though, it’s the kids playing fortnite and minecraft and roblox and shit on their phones.

>>714042376 (OP)
When some random hulk in a comic is supposed to be the power fantasy character of men what is be the power fantasy character of women if it isn't the attractive one?

>>714085587
Honestly, I find the Arkham games pretty ugly. Especially Harley Quinn.

Much prefer the old Harlequin outfit.

>>714083337
Yeah, but they only like it when it's a character that looks just like them. They cannot accept the sexy lady looking better than they do.

>>714083423
You are already in full backlash retard. Taht's why you are butthurt and retaliating from your last bastion, out entertainment industry
You are on the way out, invader

>>714084198
>word salad

>>714089002
i accept your concession

>>714089002
did you build up your comeback deck watching CNN in 2016?

>>714082683
I like this

>>714071817
jews are a matriarchal culture, even their evil stemmed from somewhere