It’s okay….the first two hours is like an arguing with your wife simulator.

>>714151979 (OP)
>Why do people love this game so much?
Because they played it, unlike you.

>>714151979 (OP)
>Why do people love this game so much?
Do they? The /vg/ thread died, there's barely any discussion or fanart anywhere.

My impression was like it's a decent FF fanfic that people who are into that enjoy for a week and then forget about.

>>714151979 (OP)
Think it sold like 3 million now . Pretty good for a 30 million dollar budget .

>>714152081
Im playing it right now. It’s extremely generic. I dont like arguing with naggy hapa woman for 2 hours. It’s annoying as fuck. I can argue with my wife if i want to argue with a woman. This isnt my idea of fun.

>>714151979 (OP)
>the first two hours is like an arguing with your wife simulator

elaborate

>>714151979 (OP)

For me it was the Asian girl feet

>>714152093
>single player general died

wow

>>714152212
He argues with that stupid hapa nonstop and she keeps nagging him about the mission. It’s annoying.

The 16 year old ginger

>>714152264
Don't worry the game actually has nothing at all to do with what's currently being present. :)

>>714152265
She nags him too once she joins the party. She’s not 16 she’s 22.

>>714152264
they argue for like 10-15 minutes then find the ginger

>>714152189
>your wife .
Sure buddy

>>714152320
She's 16

>>714152327
My wife nags the fuck out of me. I dont like getting nagged by 2 women nonstop for 2 hours while im playin g a video game.

>>714152189
>It’s extremely generic

okay name 10 games like it with the same setting for example

>>714152257
Anon BG3, STALKER and fucking DDLC have still-living generals.

>phoneposter
>still butthurt over this game

kek

>>714152378
Don't worry, the next girl you pick up is a dtf Australian.

>>714152352
She is 22. She is not 16. They say she is 9 years younger than 33

>>714151979 (OP)
>>714152264

Incel filtered by objectively correct woman again!?

>>714152383
BG3 has far more replayablility, and Stalker has multiple games with a decent modding scene. Don't know what DDLC is. E33 didn't need a general in the first place.

>>714152189
It's not generic, you disingenuous fuck.

>incel has a mental breakdown when a woman yells at him even indirectly

>>714152435

>>714151979 (OP)
Its a JRPG for people who like JRPGs conceptually but dropped the genre once the moeifcation of anime made it unpalatable to them.
In other words it filled the nice the FF series used to with fun gameplay, good music, and pretty (non-weeb) graphics and so got that old fanbase to come back.

In other words its a 8/10 that filled a market gap that had been empty since the 2000s

>>714152492
ban frogslop

>>714152573
Ban mathlets first.

OP here. Im leaving the thread. You people are all too aggressive for me.

>>714151979 (OP)
Nobody actually likes it. Its a meme

OP here. Im skipping all the cut scenes since I got into the red forest. I cant tolerate the retarded cut scenes. The game improves if you skip the cutscenes.

OP here. How do I stop sucking cock?

>>714152081
I played it. It was dull and boring. And the writing tried too hard to be sad and emotional and it just made me cringe

>>714152189
>Im playing it right now
It would be easier to believe if you posted a picture that proves it.

>>714151979 (OP)
Babby's first jrpg for people who hate anime

>>714152380
Yoshi’s island

>>714152378
Just because you're stuck in an unhappy marriage doesn't mean the game is bad

>>714151979 (OP)
It had the most blatant shill campaign I've ever seen and it clearly worked on retards

>>714151979 (OP)
>arguing with your wife simulator
What the fuck does that even mean. Is that some indian saying or something?

>>714152803
OP definitely sounds indian

>>714152762
There's something funny to me about how hard people obsessed with anime seethe at this game.

>>714151979 (OP)
1. Tight story, no meandering convoluted JRPG subplots.
2. Stellar Voice Acting

Those are the 2 biggest points.

>>714152378
>fell for the marriage meme

Who else cried at Sophie's death? I know we only spent 20 minutes with her but it felt like so much longer

Why is a mime and a troubadour the toughest enemies in the game. WTF is going on? Why doesn’t anyone have eyes?

>I don't like clair obscure because I hate my wife

>>714152535
>and pretty (non-weeb) graphics

>>714152820
Where?

>finished game well over a month ago
>come to find /v/ is STILL seething over it

>>714152856
This.

>>714152918
Where?

>>714152796
>wow i enjoyed that game i know i'll post about it on that video game board
>shill shill shill sloppa shill sloppy slop shill
Paint a picture for me on what a non-shill campaign would look like for a great game.

>>714152952
Nah its pretty easy to tell the difference if you arent a moron

Can someone please explain why that creepy mime is so strong? is this. A French thing?

>>714152830
also
3. It's not afraid to kill off main characters (tranime games like Metaphor Refantazio frequently pretend-kill their protaganists only to bring them back 5 minutes later)

>>714153002
Yeah

>>714153002
Where?

>>714153002
Parry

>>714152840
Is Sophie the first woman in Paris that nags the French guy?

>>714152952
>Paint a picture for me on what a non-shill campaign would look like for a great game
I can tell you what it looks like for an extremely generic game. And its not people making variations of the same thread for a month with subjects like "is this game actually that amazing?" And never discussing anything about the actual gameplay

>>714153051
Who?

>>714151979 (OP)
People has been itching for a somewhat okay turn-based combat RPG for a long time, which is something the retards of squire enix forgot how to make

FYI i dont know anyone’s names. Im skipping all the cutscenes. French guy, hapa, red head. Thats what I call them.

>>714153021
>they le pulled a heckin ned stark
lmao this truly is a game for fucking retards

>>714153109
So OP is part of the shill campaign? How much was he paid? Why is he doing such a poor job at shilling the game? You haven't been here very long have you?

>>714152882
Looks nice to me

>>714153154
>killing off main characters mean "le heckin ned stark"
God I hate zoomers so much. Nothing but Game of Thrones, Thanos, & nigger music in their heads.

>>714152820
I dont care about anime but it is funny how much this generic jrpg gets praised by people who clearly don't play jrpgs. So they praise things like its very bland overworld and paper mario combat. Shit that just doesnt stand out at all if you've ever been exposed to the genre before

>>714153113
>>714153051
The fucking mime that you fight at the beginning of the game hitting him causes like 7 damage and he causes you like 300 damage.

>>714153231
zoomers really think the world was created 1 year before they were born

>>714152994
Clearly you are a moron then.

>>714153116
Where?

>>714151979 (OP)
Yeah sorry, its a game for White People. Not for you I guess.

>FOR THOSE WHO COME AFTER US

>>714153290
>retard filtered by mime

lmao even with the tutorial mime i knew you needed to break it with a weak lightning attack from gustav

go back to fortnite retard

>>714152830
What about the actual game part?

>>714153361
Kek

>>714153361
bet ur wife heard that a lot before meeting you

>>714153376
Ahh yes, the natural enemy of a mime….lightning.

>>714153389
Parry, which filters most of /v/.

>>714153196
Yeah the way they randomly placed stock unreal assets everywhere and covered it all in bloom is amazing

>>714153425

>>714153389
Pretty servicable. With the inclusion of timed attacks, it's better than Persona's shallow combat at least.

>>714153231
Actually killing Ned Stark made sense for its narrative. Killing Gustave was just a shock twist to make NPCs clap

>>714153443
seems intelligence is your enemy

>>714153451
Yeah it does actually

is this an actual RPG or just a railroaded story where nothing you do really matters, but called an RPG only because there is more than one ending?

is /v/ seriously still seething over this game?

>>714153530
The latter.

>>714153328
No i didn't enjoy Clair Obscur

OP here, what’s the difference between dodge and parry? I just dodge because it’s easier.

>>714153389
Gameplay is quick and feels rewarding. Dodge till you're comfortable with the moves, then parry. I liked how many little combat bonuses you get, can actually make different playstyles based on your team and picto setups. Nice amount of abilities to unlock. What I saw I didn't care for but playing it I was very surprised how much I liked it. Fun gameplay.

>>714153502
>Killing Gustave was just a shock twist to make NPCs clap
Brainrot take. Although I'll admit it takes a mature mind to understand it.

OP here. Im skipping all the cut scenes. Why do so many characters have no faces? Is this a French thing?

>>714152189
>I dont like arguing with naggy hapa woman for 2 hours.
Yeah you didn't play the game. Lune and Gustave has one argument at the start of the game, and that's it.

>retard filtered by mime

>>714153579
you get AP and can counter if you parry

>>714153361
>he can't even 'jackify the phrase, he can't get it right, because he didn't play the game

>>714153660
Which one is lune and which one is Gustavo?

>>714153698
What does AP do? I shoot my gun and that uses AP right?

>>714151979 (OP)
People who like this game also love shows like Severance

>>714153710
Gustave is Robert Pattinson, Lune is the hapa.

>>714153752
What's wrong with Severance, contrarian?

>Wah wah she's nagging at me
Then do as she says instead of fucking around.

Can you beat the game without knowing what AP is? Because i dont know what it actually does

>>714152189
>Arguing about a very valid concern is nagging
You are a weak man.

>>714152435
nope, they say she has 9 years left.
the numbers count backwards as they age forward.
she’s 16 and in 9 years she’ll be 25.
The paintress just painted 33 and in 9 years she’ll paint 26.

dumbass.

>>714153958
She should listen to Robert Pattinson. I dont like uppity women.

>french devs make a game
>half of /v/ is immediately filtered because they can't time dodges and need a mutt storyline about transformers and superman
>another quarter is filtered because everyone is over 30 and only one character is underage
>the remaining 25% enjoy the actual game

>>714154118
but she's right you idiot

>>714153871
it’s the resource your characters use for abilities in combat.
those colored notches by the hp bars that fill and empty during fights and the numbers in the corners of skills show what the cost is.

>>714154121
You don't need to paint yourself as some super special intellectual. The game is mainstream. Everybody loves it. The only people who oppose it on /v/ are ubijeets and contrarians.

>>714153871
Why do zoomers skip all tutorials and then complain about not understanding the mechanics?

>>714154168
You get AP by attacking?

I heard this is like Sekiro and I can't just summon 3 people to play it for me. Is that true? I can't beat the game if that's true.

>>714151979 (OP)
>Modern gaming is nothing but lame and gay shit with androgynous women made to appease trannies
>One heteronorm game feels like a fresh breath of air
I fully understand its success

>>714154215
That's like 75% of the board.

>>714152383
ddlc isn't a general for talking about the game
its just a mental illness containment thread

>>714151979 (OP)
Its a combination of
>turnbased fags who wanted it to succeed no matter what to protest square enix
>woke tranny journalists
>pajeet shill campaign
>female streamers who responded to its melodrama fag writing

>>714154275
I noticed pressing the L stick turns you from Robert Pattinson into the hapa instantly…i suspect trannies love that.

>>714151979 (OP)
Its a combination of
>turnbased fags who wanted it to succeed no matter what to protest square enix
>woke tranny journalists
>pajeet shill campaign
>female streamers who responded to its melodrama fag writing

>>714152882
Blurry UE5 slop

>>714154310
Also Redditors who cared about it because of muh heckin underdog story

>>714154221
yeh, but also from other sources like pictos that give you AP for parrying and whatnot.
I waited the full 120 seconds to reply to this instead of making you google it.

>>714154437
>muh heckin underdog story
Anon, everybody can appreciate a good underdog story. Not everything needs to be some "too deep4u 10 levels irony"

>>714152535
>Its a JRPG for people who like JRPGs conceptually

I don't agree, this is the first JRPG I've ever played and I enjoyed the game greatly, even though I don't think this genre is for me

>>714154524
Thanks i would have never bothered to google it.

>>714154787
Did you beat the mime?

>>714151979 (OP)
All I know is I tried Rebirth and got incredibly bored and a little annoyed within a few hours. Normally when a game is so over bloated I'll rethink uninstalling but not that trash. Then I played this and its 10/10.

>>714153269
>So they praise things like its very bland overworld and paper mario combat. Shit that just doesnt stand out at all if you've ever been exposed to the genre before

You're completely neglecting story/music/atmosphere, not even portraying them in a negative light. Are you an incomplete human being?

>>714152918

That's nothing, /v/ has been seething about Spec Ops: The Line for about a decade. The same will happen with TLoU2 (as was the case with the first part, until the second one was release and "suddenly" 1 was deemed "the good part of the series")

>>714153443

That other guy is wrong, Mimes will always start first and you need to break the enemy (fill up the gauge underneath their hp then use an attack capable of Breaking), afterwards all damage taken is increased

>>714152469
Broadstrokes generic you disingenuous faggot

>>714155074
Only trannies played and liked Rebirth.

>>714155840
To be fair, that upper photo are not devs.

>>714151979 (OP)
Skill and party autism in a larger fantasy world that you can explore.
I was sold as far back as the Xbox Developer Direct when they showed off picture related and other stuff.

And the game delivered and then some.

>>714154969

I beat Simon

>>714155840
Nobody cares about what devs say dude, pokemon is pro interracial

>sperg bringing up FF7 out of fucking nowhere again

jesus christ

>>714152435
Holy fuck you are retarded and bad at math. Next time, pay attention to the fucking game instead of looking at your phone, retard. They're saying in 9 years she'll be gommaged. You do realize that the number goes down every year and isn't just set at 33, right? She'll be 24 in 9 years. In 9 years, the age of gommage will be 24. Jesus Christ you're fucking stupid.

>>714155637
What a copout non-answer. Just admit you lied because you're a contrarian faggot and wanted to sound hip.

>>714154356
>woke tranny journalists
>has no non binaries, black dude dies first
huh?

>>714155840
>Motomu Toriyama
The guy who created Mukki. Not like this.

>>714152380
Super Mario 64

>>714152081
It's shit though

>>714152435

>>714152081
The game got raped hard by Metaphor though.

>>714158428
Who?

>>714157753
"Indie" has really lost all meaning

>>714151979 (OP)
>no drama
>no trying to shove politics down your throat
>no 3rd party Eula or Denuvo
>no lets bump up the price to milk gamers some more because others do it
>no buggy or unfinished beta release
>no milking franchise with same release again
>good graphics
>mostly plot hole free good story
>good presentation of story
>solid gameplay
>god like soundtrack
It's in every area at least on par of a solid game. While it excels in a few areas like music and story going past what you often get from bigger games.

>>714151979 (OP)
A lot of people are promoting it, with the hope it will show JP companies like Square Enix where they need to go. Nothing else seems to work, they don't listen.

>>714152435
Filtered by subtraction.

>>714152535
I agree, because I liked pokemon as a kid and 4niggas in a row gameplay appeals to me but I hate anime

>>714158428
Only browns or 15 year old zoomers find this kinda shit funny i swear

>>714154307
>its just a mental illness containment thread
And my point is exactly that Clair Obscur did not even spawn any mental illness to contain.

>>714153361
>TOMORROW COMES

>>714152380
>name 10 games like it with the same setting for example
NTA but

Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy IX
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy XII
Final Fantasy XIII
Final Fantasy Type-0
Final Fantasy XIII-2
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII
Final Fantasy Agito
Final Fantasy Awakening

You set the bar too low.

idk what ending I like more bros. I think I prefer how Verso's is framed more where as Maelle is all too happy to recreate literally everything and who knows how perfect it all is. That said Verso is kind of a dick, if Gustave were alive he could probably at least convince Maelle to go back to her family and not stay in the canvas and kill herself

>>714152489
>implying people want narcissist girlbosses in their products

don't you have to write up an Ironheart glaze up article?

>>714160280
The only good ending would be one that fucks over both Maelle and the entire Canvas.

Fuck all these people. Fuck them right in the asshole.

>>714160751
Doesn't Verso's ending kind of do that?

>>714151979 (OP)
It's mostly Westoids with very low standards for story, art and music.

I stopped giving a shit when they revealed the entire world was just three or four rick and morty episodes

>>714152535
So it's a JRPG but devoid of soul.

>>714152882
>Unreal Engine prism walls
Yikes.

>>714160938
No that one's "for her own good"

>>714153116
>People has been itching for a somewhat okay turn-based combat RPG for a long time
Baldur's Gate 3 won a gorillion GOTY awards two years ago. Do you live under a rock?

>add tons of poc in the intro
>they all immediately die
Uhmmm based

>>714153606
Elaborate?

>>714154121
>QTEs in a turn based game

>>714152081
well I personally thought it is really shit.
the story and dialogue are unbearable unless you are a faggot who loves netflix
tier faggot slop.
also the game runs on unreal slop engine and the environments look like a bunch of unreal engine asset store assets just thrown arouns haphazardly. feels soulless as fuck.

>>714154121
>need a mutt storyline about transformers and superman
Kinda ironic thing to say since the frogs are ripping off 'For the Man Who Has Everything'.

>>714161287
crpgs are a completely different thing, retard-sama. also bg3 is fagslop

>>714154356
>shills a Pajeet Pass game
>thinks he gets to call other people jeets

>>714155323
Spec Ops The Line deserved all the shitting it got and more.

So now that the paint has dried, who wins GOTY?

>>714161501
Why do you write like a pajeet?

>>714157753
>made by 400+ people
>pre-rendered cutscenes
>full mocap and voice acting
>indie

>>714161501
>phonenigger
>wilds
you look like soulless zoomoid

>>714161617
nice try, mr. patel. E33 is the quintessential white mans game from recent years and only brownoids hate it.

>>714159016
Nothing will save Squeenix.

>>714161761
good morning sir

>One of the best intros in gaming history unironicly
>Masterclass music
>Masterclass music that is ingrained into the fucking game itself (seamless integration froim cutscene to battle)
>KINO cutscenes
>Engaging and fun combat
>3-Dimensional characters
>Interesting story
>Interesting setting that isnt done to death

Just to name the top things i remember.
Also:
Notice how everybody "criticising" the game is just overusing the word "slop" over and over again?
Yeah because they cannot name a single thing WHY the game sucks.

>ITS SHIT
>Why?
>ITS SLOP!!!! ITS UE5 SLOP AND ITS SO SLOPPY SLOP

>>714161801
>made by 400+ people
40ish including the Korean animators, 50ish with musicians and instrumentalists. The rest were external QA, staff of their publisher, staff of the studio that recorded voicelines etc.
>pre-rendered cutscenes
They're in engine. There's a reason there's a setting to use equipped costumes in cinematics to make them look retarded.
>full mocap and voice acting
They mocapped with fucking iphones and suits that they got for free from a grant

>>714161860
you don’t even known what I look like.

>>714161801
indie has nothing with any of this, faggot.
indie just means it is self published.
expedition 33 is not indie, it's AA and it mogged the AAA industry.

>>714161575
>crpgs are a completely different thing
Baldur's Gate 3 is literally a turn based RPG.

>>714161934
they are buckbroken by the fact an all white studio made a masterpiece that btfo the entire industry in quality and pricing. the jew is very afraid.

>>714161973
>mogged
bro thinks unreal engine slop coded by yellow code monkey and written by a french faggot is what will save vidya lol

>>714161698
Top contenders:

1. Silksong
2. Clair Obscur
3. Death Stranding 2
4. Silent Hill f

>>714161934
>Notice how everybody "criticising" the game is just overusing the word "slop" over and over again?
>Yeah because they cannot name a single thing WHY the game sucks.

That's the case for almost every thread on /v/

>>714161973
>indie just means it is self published
This really stretches the point considering that "indie publishers" like Devolver and Serenity Forge exist. You'd have stuff like Hotline Miami, The Talos Principle, Katana Zero, Shifu, Inscryption, Slay the Princess etc. "not indie" because they have a publisher.
At this point calling something "indie" is a vibes based assesment.

>>714161861
Well there is definitely more weebs in Asia and Latin America.

>>714161934
This.
But they use the word "slop" because they are literal pajeets (from India) and only know this slang.
I'm not even joking, 2 anti-E33 schizos have been exposed as poo eating jeets already.
Why do they hate the game? Because they can't relate to the themes of Act 3: grief, family, Art and legacy.

>>714161934
>praising cutscenes

>>714161953
>company staff doesn't count as human
Go back to Tel Aviv.

>>714161973
>400+ people made the game
>heavy reliance on outsourcing
>art and visual standards on par with AAA games
It's an AAA game kiddo.

>>714162170
>Reddit
>Reddit DotA2
>Dota2 India
no wonder this board turned to shit in the 2020s

>>714151979 (OP)
>arguing with your wife simulator
It's relevant because most men can't get a wife in 2025

>>714162170
>shitting on Modi
Extremely based. They could be executed over that in that godforsaken subcontinent.

>>714162365
It isn't. It's low tier AA. Most likely 10-20M budget.
>400+ people made the game
AAA use around 4000 people.

>>714162293
>they couldn't build a studio to record voicelines so they sent their VAs to another studio they rented
>every employee in that recording studio is now in the credits
Did they contribute or work on the game? Sure, tangentially, but counting them in the same number as developers and 3D modellers is disingenuous as fuck.

>>714162487
>AAA use around 4000 people
Only if it's a retardedly big game like GTA6. The moment you have hundreds upon hundreds of employees you cannot claim to be AA.

>>714162606
Do you even know what an employee is, Ranjeet?

>>714161934
Yeah, the criticism isn't nearly as detailed as your praise.
>BEST "UNIRONICLY" (sic)
>MASTERCLASS
>MASTERCLASS
>KINO
>ENGAGING
>3-DIMENSIONAL
>INTERESTING
>INTERESTING

Okay? So that's a whole lot of "golly gee whiz", but it doesn't really tell me anything except you're easily impressed.

>>714162113
And for COE33 specifically it's a weird case because it was majorly funded by its publisher. For all the quadrillionaire dad CEO nepo project schizoposts, the game (Project W) looked rough before Kepler was involved, they funded full time development for 3 years. But they are a weird indie studio collective thing that supposedly doesn't interfere with development or creative vision.
It isn't "AA" the same way ELEX was under THQ Nordic, but you can't really call it indie either, yet Rematch is a new Kepler game yet you could call it indie, but its studio is owned by Kepler unlike with Sandfall.
Just stop being autistic with labels.

>>714151979 (OP)
I started enjoying it once I got to the world map

>>714162489
>outsource work to the other side of the fucking world
Small indie dev please understand.

>>714162758
>the game (Project W) looked rough before Kepler was involved
Ranjeet about to learn what a vertical slice is.

>>714162659
>thinks workers don't count as workers if they aren't White

Shooting ropes on Lune's slutty feet.

>>714162868
You said employee, retard.
Bunch of pole monkeys working as freelance on QA are not employees, retard.

>>714162758
Pretty sure the lead guy was confirmed to be nepobaby with massive amounts of investor money backing him.

>>714162797
>need fighting animations for your game
>you can't make them good enough
>go on youtube and look up animation reels
>shoot some emails
>some korean dudes reply
>you link up
>sneed the game
What's the issue?

>>714162956
So you only count White people as human. Noted.

>>714152189
You aren't going to get a rational response anon. This game is like this eras FF7 for zoomer and retards.

>>714163026
>>you can't make them good enough
Why not? Pretty sure there are many talented French animators.

>>714151979 (OP)
it's fun

>>714162980
You can go on the studio's LinkedIn right now and see the two French investors that funded the game before Sandfall, they're listed as board members.

>>714162980
The sauce is a pajeet making a thread on plebbit. It was deleted since then.

>>714163117
>this eras ff7
you wish, this faggot slop will be buried in memory like all other modern faggot slop.

>>714151979 (OP)
Unreal Engine 5 is just that good, despite the shill campaign against it.

>>714163162
French animators work in the animation/movie industry. They don't work in video games because it's less prestigious and less paid.
Also apart from Fortiche, most are working overseas.

>>714163339
well you can keep it, I for one will pass on all future unreal engine slop.

>>714163162
I dunno. Director man said he wanted that fightan asiatic feel in animation that nobody knew how to do.

Unironically why does this game enrage jeets so much? Is it because they didn't outsource to their shithole and chose europeans instead (poland)?

>>714152435
IF this is the kind of retards that hate on the game, it really is GOTY then.

>>714163532
>noo you didn’t understand the le deep muh depression faggot writing

>>714163248
>we shut it down it doesn't count anymore

>>714152435
Please tell me your country of origin so I can make an accurate "X education" post. I assume American.

>>714163248
The blurriness speaks for itself.

>>714151979 (OP)
It was a good game. You're a fucking retarded contrarian nigger. Fuck you

>>714163618
Keep making a fool of yourself like this is 2010 4chan.

>>714163345
>They don't work in video games because it's less prestigious and less paid.
Just pay them more?

>>714163781
>reeee you are a fool for not enjoying the faggot story and dialogue written by a french fag and a woman reeeeee

>>714163339
The blurriness speaks for itself.

>>714163845
nigger, aren't you the Metaphor shill from the other day?
you're literally obsessed with this game lmao, I see you in every fucking thread. Dilate, nigger. It's gonna be ok.

>>714163802
They aren't experienced or educated on the sector yet, you can't teach them by yourself now.

>>714163781
>complaining about older posters
Holy tourist.

>>714163965
>pajeet this zoomie that nigger what
you are mentally ill creating shadows to seethe at.
e33 is extremely offensive in how gay and lame its story and dialogue are, can’t fault anyone for hating it.

>Guillaume Broche comes from a family involved in business and investments. His father, Richard Broche, runs several companies, including MBO+Investments, SCI MAGAR Real Estate, SC BROCHE, and MYRTE INVEST. Guillaume, along with his brothers Alexandre and Adrien, are also associates of MYRTE INVEST, suggesting a family-owned trust or investment vehicle. Additionally, Guillaume's career trajectory, starting with an internship at Ubisoft as an assistant creative director, has been noted as potentially facilitated by family connections.

>>714163248
Some of it is true and I checked it, that he's listed as member in two companies, and a listed address in a non zoo part of Paris, but it isn't that much, in my poorfag east euro country I'm a member in 4 businesses through my relatives. His family is nowhere near rich enough to be notable either, no lists or presence anywhere online.

>>714164203
muh indie faggot game dough!

>>714164203
>sauce is literally a seething indian
you can't make this shit up kek

>>714151979 (OP)
>>714152093
At this point I just assume everything is viral marketing and anything new is shit.

>>714164271
Guillaume is from the french countryside bourgeoisie. I know this much because I come from the same background.
Could tell as much with the way he dresses.
I checked and he went to a private catholic school, just like I did.
He most likely did some scouting when younger just like me too.

I have no idea, doesn't help that I detest the over the top sentimentality of French writing. It also runs at 70-80fps at 1440p on a 5070Ti and looks like a blurry, smeared mess (thanks again Unreal).

>>714164571
>over the top sentimentality
it's called Romanticism. It doesn't come from the French alone, it was everywhere in Europe during the 19th century.

>>714164375
>The MYRTE INVEST records list Richard, Guillaume (born May 1992), Alexandre (born October 1990), and Adrien (born January 1995) as associates

>>714164771
Melodrama doesn't equal Romanticism.

This game gets points just for making Square Enix admit that they were fucking wrong about turn-based.
There was something so pretentious about it, too. You had these fucking suited-up retards and a grown ass man with a Gakt haircut and wardrobe taking over a franchise that's decades old, a cornerstone of single player games, and they throw the entire thing out saying "WE KNOW BETTER! THIS IS WHAT THESE KIDS REALLY WANT!", and they just released slop. for almost 20 years.

The real Final Fantasy 13 was fucking Octopath Traveler, as far as I'm concerned. Having square publicly admit that E33 smacked some sense back into them is great.

>>714164859
The melodrama is mostly inspiration from the PS2 era jarpigs. Like is there is anything more melodramatic than Shadow Hearts?

>>714152081
Never playing your french parry slop

>>714165162
smart

>>714158428
Metawho? That game was an eyesore on my screen unironically

I wish the game was less popular.
I was excited for it since the first trailer but now discussion is too poisoned.

>>714162095
Your weeb cope will be glorious when it wins goty

>>714165849
tlou2 also won the award before.
grats, I guess.

>>714162221
>MUH CUTSCENES ARE LE BAD
Faggot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUVw37UD9Cc

It starts 2:55
I get goosebumps because how
FUCKING
EPIC

this transitions from cutscene into the battle.
the theme, the atmosphere, the music its fits perfectly together like a premium dildo inside a asshole.
I dont exxegerate when calling this scene alone a masterclass art

>inb4 underage and never played a game
Im 37 and i played more games than 95% of this shit board

>>714166219
It's true that the directing of cutscenes in this game are kino tier. I read somewhere the director is a huge cinephile and it shows.
https://youtu.be/vQXk8wJLrDc?t=108

>>714151979 (OP)
I think the game is really sincere
it has like zero snark or humor as americans call it

>>714163117
>>714163303
high five, contrarian bros!

>>714166458
I am not your bro, faggot.

I like the game, but I can't believe that it isn't more common to give it shit for being turn based Dark Souls.

It is very strange that whenever there is negative discussion around this game it's the exact same talking points phrased in the exact same way.

>>714151979 (OP)
I pirated it and shift deleted after 15 minutes because the game didn't show me anything fun.
>b-but it gets good after 5 hours
My time is valuable. Games are either good instantly or are simply bad. There are no exceptions.

Just finished act 2 and while the game is generally great, I just wish we had more cities to explore and more RPG-ness to it.
It's cut from the same cloth as great JRPGs but it all mostly boils down to fun combat. They certainly have the talent to create more interesting gameplay elements.

>>714152380
I think the art design looks very generic, the costumes and backdrops look like generic western slop. You could argue the backdrops are unique and stand out but I think they look like shit personally that's just my opinion though

>>714151979 (OP)
Kids and edge lords think it's good writing when they see people die. It's why stuff like One Piece filters these midwits.

>>714151979 (OP)
>he argues with his wife
Shame.

>>714170746
>It's why stuff like One Piece filters these midwits.
Oh man that's some top tier bait. Or bottom tier. It might be horseshoe theory bait.

>>714170687
>Didn't name a single other game that looks like it

>>714171226
E33 will never have better writing, lore and would building than OP kid. Go wank off to your lel dark shit.

>>714171739
did i strike a nerve

>no bro u dont understand when luffy gets white hair he's actually the incarnation of a god thats why he turns into a loony toon and bends reality and cartoon and fart sounds come out of him this is the pinnacle of writing and worldbuilding bro please trust me
>no its not just reflavoured super saiyan pr any other generic shounen transofrmation its totally different

kek

I just like it. I like the characters, the gameplay, the world, I find the lore is kind of interesting, and of course I like the soundtrack.

IMHO, it is not the best video game in history but it's a good game

>>714171739
>comparing a 40 hour video game to a manga/anime that has been running for a quarter of a century

yes

>>714151979 (OP)
daily reminder Gustave was an incel. Well known fact Sophie did not let Gustave impregnate her or hav sex with her at all, which is why they broke up.

>>714155074
Its ok to have bad taste

>>714171293
Veilguard, that other game that just came out with the pajeeta protag nobody played

>>714172410
>that pajeeta game
another unreal engine slop game.
they are starting to all blur into one another. all look and feel the same.
all have same terrain and sky textures, all have same combat flashes and sparkles and all look like that the developers idea of level design is just throwing unreal engine asset store assets around and calling it a game.

>>714172410
>>714172606
Post a good game you've enjoyed in the last 5 years

>>714172706
easy, I’ll give you some games released this year.
>Dynasty Warriors Origins
>Monster Hunter Wilds
>Nightreign
>Pirate Yakuza in Hawaii

>>714152452
>Don't know what DDLC is
Doki Doki Literature Club, a 2 hour long visual novel.

>>714152189
>when your IQ is double digit

>>714172850
Ok this is actual bait. At least you tried though.

>>714152830
you don't like the music?

>>714173002
>you must be high iq to enjoy faggot slop
well I rather remain a smooth brian chud.

>>714153002
I love them. Such a simple comfy enemy. They always do the exact same shit, they only get beefier and that's it.

>>714151979 (OP)
>Why do people love this game so much?
You either get it or you're not White.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Duwx1L3JYI&list=RD1Duwx1L3JYI&start_radio=1

>>714151979 (OP)
how can it be copies that are "sold", when we all know there no such thing called "selling" things in the digital world? you rent licenses, you don't actually buy and truly own the digital stuff you're buying. eulas are so long and complicated these days that the companies can practically revoke your licenses whenever they feel like it, for whatever "infraction" they feel like conjuring up in their arrogant minds.

Half this thread is this. I don't think a game has broken the Brown ESLs of /v/ this much since BG3.

>>714161517
>ripping off 'For the Man Who Has Everything'.
I do not think it is the same kind of story but would you elaborate please?

>>714172031
Gear 5th is caricature completor for Luffy. It's a power up that loops all the way back around to chapter 1 of when he was introduced and honors the characters persona. Super Saiyan and whatever Narutos gay transformation is called are just basic powers that don't hone in on their particular character.

>>714154121
Pretty much, I've seen some good Anons posting how they enjoyed the game and discussion of the story, the characters, the world, the gameplay and those threads were very comfy. But of course there are a bunch of people who sit on /v/ all day with nothing else to do but shitpost and contrarian post, to get a reaction because that's the only time in their life they get that spark of emotion which makes them feel even remotely alive.

>>714173751
thanks for proving my point

>bro its actually really deep pls understand bro its like an homage and callback to chapter 1 luffy its not generic shounenslop bro please stop saying it is its deep bro its been going for 26 years and it will go for 26 more bro pls

>>714174125
You sound insecure and sounds like One Piece filtered you. You're not even caught up or read it have you?

>>714174282
I watched it when you were still in diapers zoom zoom. Dropping a show because you don't enjoy it isn't getting filtered, you dumb faggot. I just think it's hilarious you're trying to compare a French video game with a very self contained story to a fucking 26 year long running manga. You have brain damage.

>>714174508
nta but I prefer one piece simple because it was not written by faggots for faggots.

>>714171143
What else is there to do with a wife besides argue or play splitscreen multi-player?

>>714172243
>Sophie did not let Gustave impregnate her or hav sex with her at all
She did not want children, but that doesn't necessarily mean they didn't have sex. On the other hand, it's implied that Gustave and Lune had something at some point in the past. So it's clear he wasn't an incel, pay more attention to the dialogue.

>>714174508
I used it as an example because I know most people suck off this games narrative because it's dark and the characters die. That hits some kind of dopamine with normies that makes them think it elevates the quality of the writing.

>>714151979 (OP)
I keep listening to une vies in about every hour or so. Why am I like this?
>Continuer a taimer
>Continuer de peindre

>>714174842
You used it as an example because you're a dumb cunt and tried to pull from
>w-well One Piece has a way more expansive world and story than this single video game

Which is a completely moot point and reductionist. You're a bad faith arguing faggot. The two IPs are completely unrelated. I don't hate One Piece but it is simply not engaging for me. However I do hate absolute morons like yourself who parrot it as the second coming of Christ. You're worse than the people you claim to hate who do the same to E33, you hypocritical faggot. It's hilarious how much you lack self awareness. I don't think E33 is the best game in existence, but it is certainly among the cream of the crop when it comes to games released in the last 5 years. You are a contrarian to say otherwise.

>Gustave
>constantly told to speak up or shut up or hurry up or man up and stop being a coward
>at first glimpse of real combat freezes up like a lil bitch while all the strong
woman fight and scramble to survive
>wakes up from being knocked out from said battle and first thought is “imma kill myself like the weak willed cuck faggot that I am” while all girls manage to survive just fine, sciel is even having a blast fighting in the arena like the strong wahman that she is (she don’t need no man)
>constantly picked on for his fallacies and weaknesses
>dies
lmao, truly something only a french faggot could write.

>>714175326
Also going to chime in that it's ironic that YOU were filtered about the game's writing if all the very overt themes about creationism, subjective idealism, Gnosticism, mortality, etc etc went completely over your head. You are definitely among the people that prefer Persona 5 to 3 because "3 is just too dark and depressing for me :((("

>>714175326
A goofy game called DK Bananza will cuck E33 too. Goofy soul stuff>>dark edgy stuff.

>>714151979 (OP)
Because it's fun.

>>714151979 (OP)
It’s the 4channiest game since Pizza Tower. Don’t you like being 4channy? It’s like Vivian James. Just go along with it man, it doesn’t fucking matter what it is.

>>714175316
Nothing wrong with that at all, I keep listening to We Lost and Aria pour un Masque de Colère. The music is amazing.

>>714175428
did not play the game award

Are there people here who unironically care about GOTY? For me im just glad there are actual legit goty contenders coming out a lot more consistently this year, this year has been so much better than the last year its unreal

>>714175779
what part of any of that was false?

>>714175696
>>714173430

I am convinced at this point that /v/ actually just does not like any video games at all.

>>714175886
/v/ is contrarian as it has always been. There are a ton of people on this website that defend Slopreign for example despite it being a game actually designed by a committee of businessmen for a quick dollar instead of creative minds or people who have ever engaged in the medium

>>714175886
Fans of this game hurt its outlook here by the mega shilling and constant desperation to put it on pedestal and validate it. Came off forced for many.

>>714151979 (OP)
Zoomers bandwagon anything

>ctrl+f "slop"
>26 results
Yep, it's an anti-E33 jeetposting thread alright

>>714174842
What are your thoughts on Tree of Life by Terrence Malick out of curiosity

>>714176518
>complaining about the word slop on 4slop
slop it anon, where do you slop we are?

>>714176691
>replyslopping to postslop
Slop sloppity slop, anonslop

>>714176797
baslop slopper

>>714175428
jesus fucking christ.. truly, only a frenchman could have created something like this...

>>714152435
Haha even DSP figured this shit out

>>714175428
Can you make the same post but in english this time?

>>714177654
you can’t refute it lmao

>>714177780
God didn't give you the 7s because you're lying.

>>714151979 (OP)
>Why do people love this game so much?
It's a good game.

>>714151979 (OP)
maybe play it instead of watching youtube videos.

>>714177780
>18 seconds
I know you're obsessed with the game Ranjeet but stop spamming F5, you'll break it and it's worth a month of work in your shithole.

>>714152736
Thats a common sign of autism

>>714151979 (OP)
It gave me what I kept asking the Japs to do for a decade. Not my problem they won't do it.

>>714178440
NO! How dare you not suck chink cock! Especially when Kojimbo is releasing his latest movie! Fuckin racist nazi

>>714153021
>tranime pretend-kill their protagonists
lol this game pulls that shit like three times, fuck off
Also all the actual main characters are functionally immortal god beings
>>714152830
>No convoluted JRPG subplots
There's practically no subplot for any of the cast that aren't members of the super special god family. Sciel doesn't meaningfully exist. Moreover, if you don't think the whole Painter/Writer/Canvas nonsense isn't a mess, you're out of your gourd. A tight story would've just been focused on the expedition without having some big fucking lame meta-narrative that shifts focus onto the most obnoxious characters and robs the world of any of its charm.

>>714178440
>what I have been asking Japs for decades?
you been asking Japs to make soulless unreal engine slop with faggot writing? good thing they don’t speak english and didn’t understand you.

>>714178845
Let it go. 60% of the posts ITT are yours.

>>714153290
>Mime is setting up its defenses
>Anon gets filtered, doesn't comprehend breaking defenses, cries about how he only does 7 damage on 4chan
wow, anon, ever try not sucking dick?
Like, I get it, you love the way the girth feels on your fag lips, but we're just talking about video games here so you don't need to be slurpin down clown

>>714178943
let me guess, I am le jeet?

I just got Monkey, his revolving wheel mechanic seems kind of fun, however without any knowledge of his skills, I'm pretty sure you'll be blueballed by AP many times as you need to use AP to move the wheel and then AP to cast the empowered skill.
Lune is way too OP with the bug right now, she sets up Elemental Genesis way too easily.
Sciel seems kinda boring, her card thing is a bit too simple to set up/cash out.
Maelle's gameplan is too simple too, I wish there was a reason to use her other stances instead of the 200% damage one.
Feels like Verso will be the strongest character, I can't imagine how powerful an empowered Steeled Strike is.

>>714178845
>mmmMMMM chinky dick tastey so good
Fuck off already faggot.

>>714153596
It's nice but you really don't have the picto variety to make worth a shit different builds until about midgame. Unfortunately, late game that all falls apart and there's no other approach than 'slap all the damage bonuses on, then have one character be a buffer/AP battery'

>Another day of thirdie chimpouts over E33
Life is good.

>>714153634
It's to obscure that those characters are actually other characters. You'd recognize them otherwise, so they took their faces...
...off.

>>714179325
Why do they hate it so much?

>>714179258
says the nigger actually asking for more
unreal engine slop with netflix tier writing.
you are a faggot.

>>714153634
Final Fantasy 8 reference

>I.. love them too..

>>714179549
Not a single Jap or Indian worked on the game. Indians mad because they know they're trash. People who suck off Japs are absolutely enraged right now because it btfo FF and DS2.

>>714179716
Renoir and Alicia (good versions) are the most tragic characters, what a shame.

>>714179615
>i liked it for x,y,z
>nigger faggot slop netflix
Have you considered putting forward an argument?

>>714179806
heres your argument >>714175428
cuck game made by mentally and spiritually cucked faggots.

>>714178807
>lol this game pulls that shit like three times, fuck off
>Also all the actual main characters are functionally immortal god beings

Literally none of these things happen lmfao. Only Maelle has actual god powers. Verso's immortality is a curse and also doesnt matter in gameplay context. He can still be gommage'd as well.

>>714179934
So your argument tactic is to lie? That doesn't work so well on people that played the game or people that take two seconds to look up and see you're full of shit.

>>714151979 (OP)
lost interest when they killed gustav. they took an interesting protag and replaced him with a muted boring cringe character that I didn't give a fuck about. fucking lame.

>>714180105
Verso is quite literally infinitely more interesting than Gustav. Did you even play the game or are you parroting talking points that got shared in your Discord server?

>>714180104
you still haven’t pointed out which part od any of that is a lie.
because you can’t.
stop lying to yourself and accept it that you like a game made by and for buck broken faggots.

>>714180105
Shut up cuck >>714177946
Verso's character saves the entire game after all is said and done

>>714173261
are those NAKED glowing FEET???
I WILL NOW PLAY YOUR GAME

>>714158932
>no drama
game opens with 'oh no my ex who I wanted to have babies with is getting thanos snapped' and transitions into main character crying and trying to kill himself like a little bitch the second the Expedition he's been hyping his whole life runs into a single lethal snag.
>Plot Hole Free
The whole plot only exists because Renoir insists on his own ultimatum.
>Good presentation of story
The structure of 'go to next place, fight a boss, dump cutscenes/talking' gets tiresome and rote. Killing Gustave may work to make you feel connected to a dead painting person but Verso immediately swinging in to replace him feels cheap, lame, and softened the mechanical blow entirely. Shit's got no balls.
>Solid gameplay
Game trivializes itself by design within five to ten hours of play. Devs took a little too much from FFVIII without learning the lessons that FFX tempered.

I sort of liked it but I couldn't get through it. Kind of paint by the numbers, pun not intended

>>714180285
>>714180252
y'all are fucking gay.

>>714180770
Nice argument smoothbrain

>>714170469
Sorry, anon, after the first town there's only the Gestral Village and nothing else.
Please understand, small indie company, only so much resources
Maybe if we play the music even louder over the sad baby died dialogue we can trick you into feeling emotion that will have you forget how flimsy the rest of game is?

>>714179987
ah yes they aren't immortal god beings they're just immortal and have god powers which is totally different

also the ENTIRE WORLD gets fakeout killed at the end of act 2 which gets undone after 1 cutscene

>>714180829
don't need one. the character was just a neutral self insert for gooners to fuck the female cast.

You can tell it's the writer's first project, there were some issues with how the story was presented in the later acts where it felt all of Lumiere was denied agency, she should refine her writing for the next game and can do well.
Nothing much to say about the visuals, a lot of the environmental assets were bought which makes sense for a small team, but the creative director had an eye for good environments, they should get more people working on visuals for the next game and tone down the post-processing effects.
The composer needs to have a career in game OSTs immediately. Don't be a clout chasing bitch and chase "prestige" cinema.

>>714152189
This is how bad the industry is anon, zoomers havent played anything mildly competent so you know what happens when it comes, I completely agree with you that is very generic but I say this as someone who played a lot of things already and desu not everything must be out of ordinary to be enjoyable, but to new people it is what it is when the medium has been saturated with projects with ZERO passion (I will admit at least the devs seem to care, they are just not good enough IMO)

>>714179987
>Gustave gets killed
>But Maelle can just bring him back
>Everyone gets Gommaged
>But Maelle just brings them back
>Maelle dies
>But she can just exist in the real world
>Only Maelle has actual god powers
>Oh but so does Renoir and Aline and
>Verso's immortality is a curse!
>Never made explicit why, it just heckin' is, boohoo he has to see these expeditions die a lot best not get attached even when he has immortal friends like Esquie and Monoco, guess he just doesn't have immortal pussy to smash
>Even though he's SO TORTURED by his immortality, he still tries to fuck both Lune and Sciel
It's trash, anon.

>>714181347
Name 5 games you think are better

>>714180357
>Game trivializes itself by design within five to ten hours of play
That's what drove me crazy about the parry shit. It didn't feel like I was getting good at the game, it felt like I was inputting cheat codes entirely disconnected from the core turn based RPG gameplay.

>>714181471
Literally none of those things happen

You did not play the game.

>>714180985
And here i thought the character for once was a male protagonist who wasn't reactive, but in fact proactive and decisive, pushing the story and the narrative forward himself instead of just reacting to whatever any specific villain does at any moment
I understand liberals have no capacity to understand the appeal, they probably think proactive male = evil. Being high T and moving towards your own goals is a sin in liberalism. I get it.

>>714180252
Verso sucks shit. Watching him sweep in and be such a lame forced protag was cringe as fuck. And then all the women fall in love with him but he has to still act like a little faggot and ctrl+alt+del the whole world because existing sure is hard. It's classic French bullshit romanticizing nihilism and doom.

>>714181503
>disconnected from the RPG
thats because it is. this games battle system is fucking dumb! it truly baffles me there are those out there who enjoyed it.

>>714181719
I always find it fascinating that nuance and philosophical thought simply draws the American brain into a state of anger and frustration. Why is this?

>>714181849
>It’s too le deep for you
it’s too fucking gay and lame that’s what it is.

>>714181658
>Verso is proactive and pushes the story forward! You low test beta cuck liberals couldn't enjoy that
Anon, he literally just joins the Expedition and they all let him on board for no good reason and then he's second fiddle to their entire journey up until the end, where he insists a genocide is the smart and good choice because otherwise he'll have to suffer the tragedy of immortality a bit longer. He's just a fag who wants to die. That's not decisive. That's just fucking lame.

>>714182073
Quintessential low IQ American who blames others for his lack of understanding

>>714182168
>then he's second fiddle to their entire journey up until the end
the entire axon thing was his idea

>>714182168
Its like we played completely different games or something. That or you're lying.

>>714182172
I thought I was a zoomer jeet. will you niggers make up your faggot minds already?

>>714182172
Imagine thinking this young adult fantasy tier sloppa is high brow. Literally sub Donnie Darko tier.

>>714181559
>You did not play the game
Sure, anon.

>stopped getting (you)s for just saying slop
>stopped getting (you)s for pretending the game hates white people
>still getting a few (you)s for making shit up
What's the next tactic? My bet is they continue lying and then fall rinse and repeat back to "sloppa sloppy slop"

>>714182281
>We've been powering up our weapons the entire game
>What if... we powered up our weapons some more?
Oh yeah, big brain move, Verso really moving the plot forward by suggesting the expedition go beat the Axons, so absolutely decisive.
>>714182283
Next time you play through, pay a little more attention, anon. Might help if you got Verso's cock out of your mouth--that way you could focus on something other than his nuthair as his glans nobbles what little grey matter you have left.

>>714182168
And here i thought he intentionally let Gustave die, and then brought his arm along and offered his services to the crew, knowing that they are now in weakened state and are in disarray, in desperate need of order and guidance. Which he provides, and manipulates them into basically killing themselves, to save real versions of his mother and sister. And here i thought it's thanks to him the crew even survived initially as he cleared all the really dangerous nevrons from their path. And here i thought, the most of the story happened because he manipulated it to happen.

>>714182713
da part where versinjibby pull out da b ball n finna yeet dat goal muh eye get da fade no doubt

>>714182168
tard

>>714182365
>It's trash
>71 hours played
>100% acheivement rate

so you're either a braindead retard who spent the time to 100% a game you hate or you stole a screenshot from someone else and claimed it as (you)rs

>LE CONTRARIANS!
Nobody who actually belongs on this board thinks this game and its shillbase is anything more than a baffling curiosity. Like watching a circus freak pouring salt into their eyes and calling it fun.

>>714182547
Who the fuck knows. It's just so exhausting trying to ever discuss a game I actually like in this shithole. I don't want to go to /vg/ because it's an echochamber and circlejerk, but fuck me it is almost impossible to talk about a recently released game on here without the thread being derailed by bad-faith actors in mere minutes.

Tourists. It's like BG3, casuals pretend that the genre has been dead and dusted for 10+ years because they haven't paid attention to any innovations made the last decade. It's the epitome of an average game, with graphics that look like a cheap Korean MMO that will be taken offline within 2 years of launch.
To bring it back to BG3, remember that normies couldn't figure out that it was in development for 5+ years, and thought it was just put together in 4 months or some shit.
I've got nothing against people who like the game, I just wish they'd recognize that there has been innovation in the genre every year and that this wasn't some small 5 man team that put this together (and credit to the devs for speaking up that it wasn't the case).

>>714183092
>bad faith

Go back

>>714176013
>it's just contrarianism!
No retard, LITERALLY every game in existence is impossible to discuss in good faith on this board for the past decade. It doesn't matter if the game has overwhelmingly positive reviews on Steam or the reverse.

>>714183260
I've been here since you were in grade school faggot

>>714182803
>He intentionally let Gustave die
And he admits that he did that because he figured Gustave would keep Maelle against him. Moreover, Verso deciding to do something only because of what he observes and in response to Renoir taking action is, by definition, reactive.
>He manipulates them into killing themselves!
He didn't get the letter until after they already killed the Paintress, so you're assigning intentionality to something that had none. All he did was not tell them it was going to happen, which is, again, a reactive and selfish move.
>Most of the story happened because he manipulated it to happen
No. The story happens because Real Child Verso makes the painting and then Renoir is unreasonable about it. Without Renoir trying to delete the painting, there is no Gommage, there is no Expedition, there is no game. Try again.
>>714182983
>You have no basis to make an argument against it because you didn't play the game!
>Anon proves they played the game
>How do you dislike it if you played all of it? Checkmate, retard
Oh, man, it's almost as if you can both enjoy elements of a thing and dislike other parts of it and want to experience the whole of it so you can form an informed opinion on the thing. I know, radical, given the board we're on, that someone would actually have a nuanced relationship to a piece of media AND actually care to experience it before shitposting about it.

>>714183143
>an actual, real life gwafix kiddie in the year two thousand and twenty five
Wild

>>714151979 (OP)
Stop liking it!

>>714183143
What innovation are you talking about? RPGs have been all but stagnant for over a decade.

>>714183092
Its funny because ask these same people "so what does a 10/10 look like" or "so what would a genuine non paid for thread look like from somebody wanting to discuss their game" and they can't answer. My genuine experience with the game was going in thinking "what's this bs people are glazing the fuck out of? I don't care for how the gameplay looks but I'll try it" then I actually had a lot of fun with the gameplay and the game became one of my top 5 easily. That's how it happened but type that out and its nothing but "paid shill paid shill paid shill!"

>>714182713
What? That’s not why you fight the axons, stop skipping cutscenes

>>714183616
>He didn't get the letter until after they already killed the Paintress
Omg you're fucking stupid.
You're a complete fucking retard

Okay, thank you for letting us know, here look! Sophie is naked in front of some kids! >>714177946

>>714183260
>ESL election tourist can't handle a common english phrase

>>714183838
SaGa's been doing some pretty great and interesting shit but I'm sure you'll goalpost to insist that it doesn't count.

>No. The story happens because Real Child Verso makes the painting and then Renoir is unreasonable about it.
How people this stupid exist? How you even live your day to day life, how did you not get hit by a car yet?

>>714183843
I am very similar. I saw a few friends playing it who had high praise for it. I bought it a few days after release but only got to play it the last few days because I've been busy with other stuff. Thoroughly enjoyed it, came to discuss it here and debate endings and such and it's literally just people calling each other brown, shills or saying its melodramatic french pretentious bullshit. No one can give an example of a good game, name their favourite games (unironically) or actually provide any counterpoints that deviate from their parroted scripts. It is genuinely mind boggling. I remember a very similar thing happening with Dragon's Dogma 2 leading up to and post launch. Discussion became impossible until no one was playing it anymore. Even BG3 suffered from this, but nowhere near as bad, strangely enough.

>>714152189
>generic
Lmao you didnt play it

>>714152189
Him and Lune have ONE argument. One. It isnt "2 hours" you decietful little shit.

>>714184216
Can you talk about what specifically? You can't just namedrop a random ass niche jrpg franchise and expect that to hold any credence.

It literally looks like completely generic anime jrpg shit, so you'll have to really try convince me that it's anything but.

>>714184002
>That's not why you fight the Axons
You literally defeat them for their Chroma
So that The Curator can craft a new weapon for you
So that you can get beyond the veil (although apparently the one MUSCLE expedition made it through without this)
So that you can defeat the Paintress.
Given the barrier exists without Verso, the team would have had to find a way through it anyway and, with Esquie, Monoco, and other various characters there, it's not as though Verso necessarily has to be the one to suggest going after the Axons. This isn't a point in his favor for being a decisive character, it's just him providing exposition that the world would otherwise be able to give anyway.
But, no, tell me why you think the Expedition fight the Axons, please, I'm interested in what the real reason is.

>>714151979 (OP)
Because it's a work of art

>>714184056
>No refutation
>Just insists that anon is stupid
A+ stuff, Verso dicksucker.
Just admit your game's got flaws and the writing can be a bit of a mess.
It's alright.
The game is fine otherwise.

>>714180357
>no drama
Was referring to no drama about dev/game like some have now even before release.
>The whole plot only exists because Renoir insists on his own ultimatum.
That's like saying star wars only exists because the emperor insists on taking control of everything.
Yeah but not a plot hole and Renoirs reasoning is sound.
>dump cutscenes/talking' gets tiresome and rote
It's better than most games with cutscenes. The cutscenes are integrated well and it's not relying on them to heavily.
>Game trivializes itself by design within five to ten hours of play.
Gameplay isn't a masterpiece but good enough for this kind of game which means it is solid.

>>714175674
>good ending
Based

>>714185002
The evil ending where you support abusive mass murder dad.

>>714184761
What refutation? You don't have a brain, you think Verso only found out what killing the paintress does from reading painted Alicia's letter
There is absolutely nothing in this world worth discussing with your given your comprehension level of stories you consume
BUT, we can talk about naked Sophie. That's my mercy of you. Take it.

>>714184659
Anon the Expedition only meets Monoco because of Verso, and Esquie is a big blumbering dummy who wasn't going to tell them SHIT about the Axons. Verso is also the only reason they didn't get merked a gazillion times leading up to that anyway.

>>714179120
Monoco its interesting, it depends on how you have his skills and pictos set up. He can be a very strong buff support, strong debuff support, or cover gaps in things you would want. The skill that gives him a free turn in agile mode does wonders for his AP. There are also weapons that start his wheel in a certain way or make it easier to adjust too

>Maelle's gameplan is too simple too, I wish there was a reason to use her other stances instead of the 200% damage one.
You can build her as a face tanking AP battery which is fun. That said offensive stance is just filler and serves no practical purpose. Not sure what the Lune bug is.

Sciel is fun because of how much you can stack things. In harder fights if you fuck up by the time you hit twilight it is a lot of setup for nothing, so there can be inherent risk to it.

>>714185103
The good ending where you side with a man saving his wife and daughter from being mentally ill addicts to cope that were committing slow burn suicide.
>mass murder
Of gestrals? Monoco embrace it. There are three nu-humans and only one of them is disappointed at the good ending because she won't get Verso's cock anymore.

>>714184659
yes they need a way past the veil. Not
>We've been powering up our weapons the entire game
>What if... we powered up our weapons some more?

>>714185103
Renoir never came off as super abusive, unless he was the one forcing Verso to paint in the first place. If so I kinda missed that lore

>>714183843
>so what does a 10/10 look like
Anon, no one answers that because everyone knows, nine times out of ten, it's a bad faith question that the asker will dismiss no matter what. When they do, the response is always "that's bait" or "shit taste, no wonder you don't like it"

>>714172945
Ok, so 3 waifu autists spamming the same pictures in an infinite loop. Great example.

>>714184557
>Niche JRPG franchise
>One of Square's two longest running RPG series, tied with Final fucking Fantasy
I get it, it's still niche, but hoh boy.
Anyway, it's developed advances in the timeline systems as proposed by games like Grandia or FFX--the resulting Timeline system for SaGa Scarlet Grace and Emerald Beyond qualifies as equal to or even more of an innovation than Clair Obscur's mix of real time input and turn based interaction.
To get into the weeds of that system specifically, knocking any participant from the timeline will cause it to collapse--if characters on either side of this collapse are on the same team, they'll perform a Unite Attack. As with all the mechanics in both games, enemies can do this as well, which pushes a level of timeline management that is absolutely necessary for success given all encounters scale with the party. Moreover, there are several attacks that provide some level of timeline manipulation by either moving the user or target forward or back, which creates a battle system that isn't just a DPS race of using the hardest hitting attacks because now you have a vast slew of tools worth actually employing. Both games commit to never giving the player more access to healing than enemies can deal, meaning that you can never out-sustain a fight. This further pushes engagement with the timeline system, as getting those juicy combo / unite attacks while disrupting, countering, or otherwise defeating attackers before they get their turns is your primary mode of mitigating damage taken. Emerald Beyond builds on this significantly with a number of abilities that allow for further teambuilding and timeline manipulation, such as attacks that specifically insert into the timeline at different triggers (such as an ally or enemy attack) or moves that will hit everyone on a specific side of the timeline. A boss might prepare an attack that hits everything to its right, rewarding a team setup that can delay the boss.

>>714185567
And how do you get past the veil?
Powering up your weapons some more
It's not that big brain, anon.

>>714184659
You fight them so the Curator, aka Real Renoir, can make a unique weapon with the chroma he personally used to paint the axons into the canvas in order to pierce Aline's barrier, and Verso tries to talk the expedition out of it and tells them killing the axons is nigh impossible. It's not "lol what if we upgraded our weapons some more like we've been going." Play the game you annoying fag

>>714152882
It has incredible art direction.

>>714185554
Yes the genocide is already committed by the end when you pick, but you still support the people responsible for it if you pick Verso. And yes you also kill Lune and Sciel who are far better people than Renoir and Clea. Then you kill the gestrals and the hairy mountain dudes that I can't remember the names of.

Maelle, Sciel and Lune are the heroes in the end, and you destroy all of them, Maelle definitely kills herself in Versos ending later on.

>>714154787
>I don't agree, this is the first JRPG I've ever played
>here is my take on me enjoying the genre or not
Any other opinions? Maybe on advanced grammar of a language you don't speak?

>>714161698
I think the dorito award will go to E33 unless big publishers put too much pressure on them, because small teams being successful threatens their business model.

>>714151979 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__PdyJAdqyg

>>714170746
>It's why stuff like One Piece filters these midwits.
No, retarded side characters who get all the focus is what filtered me, actually.

>>714152189
You barely have Lune nag you. She nags before Gustave domes himself. (Rightfully)
She nags him at their first camp about completing the mission and not running (rightfully)
She sorta nags him about trying to make the mission all about trying to save Mealle (rightfully so)

I feel like people who think all Lune did was nag just hate woman to an irrational degree. Gustave was completely despotic before Lune kicked his ass.

>>714185960
>Maelle definitely kills herself in Versos ending later on.
I can't believe I'm using the meme expression but this is a severe case of lack of media literacy. It is Maelle's ending that is a suicide. The game, the context, the other characters and the precedent of Aline, the soundtrack (lyrics of the songs if you understand French), leave absolutely zero (0) doubt about that.

>>714185960
Maelle's ending isnt all sugar and rainbows, mostly because she is out here making completely fake and gay copies of characters, even Sciel is a bit disappointed in her fake and gay husband after she has finally gotten over him. I mostly feel bad for Sciel and Lune no matter what because they dont really deserve being caught in the middle of these families that are consistently making these living worlds only to ignore/destroy them later because they get bored or tired of them or they are dangerous. The writers are right to go to war.

Verso is at least partially responsible for a lot of the shit, so it feels bad supporting him, but I prefer how his ending plays out even though he doesnt deserve that end that he wanted

>>714171739
>world building
the world in question

>>714186384
She'll die in 100 years, longest suicide ever, you could even call it a life. In Versos ending she definitely kills herself faster.

How would you make the game worse? I'll start, instead of showing us the gommage during the prologue they just talk about it. Also, remove all the kino friendship scenes and replace them with faggy vampires/mages asking for fag sex.

>>714152952
I'll break it down for you anon
>multiple threads about actual discussion of story, music, themes, and gameplay is shilling
>multiple threads where people just post borderline inflation-fetish fan art of characters who don't even appear in the game is genuine
Hope this helps

>>714186413
She creates them exactly as they were before and is a good friend to everyone, she doesn't do anything wrong and the people who prefer Versos ending really just makes up stuff about her ending that make 0 sense.

>>714151979 (OP)
Only 1? Maybe it's a good number for an indie game.

>>714184557
You are right that Emerald Beyond and Scarlet Grace look like aggressive cheap anime phone games. The SaGa team typically aren't given budget for shit. They're not out here making the big cinematic fuckoff Final Fantasy games, they're making real JRPGs for real RPG fans.
As for other innovations, though, both those games (and to a lesser extent, the remake of Romancing SaGa 2) push status effects and ailments as deeply significant in a way that most other RPGs are always hesitant to. By having a system that's wholly consistent across the board and for bosses as well, you know that if you fight a Humanoid boss it'll have the same weaknesses and resistances a Humanoid generic enemy will have. This means you can actually prepare and build strategies. Expecting a boss fight with a big Plant Boss? Well you know Plants take extra from Fire and that you can poison them, too, so these are viable. Moreover, by making Poison, Stun, Paralysis, Sleep, and even Instant Death actually reliable statuses you can inflict even on bosses, it widens the net for teams worth building and abilities worth having. As I mentioned in the other post, the SaGa franchise has been really innovating and pushing on creating an RPG where combat design isn't just 'use your best attack and be functionally invincible because you can heal more damage than the enemy deals'.
I'll also pitch that both Emerald Beyond and Scarlet Grace are exercises in RPG minimalism--they cut out the big overwrought dungeons and focus primarily on story and encounters in a way that only games like Front Mission or Final Fantasy Tactics did before. Both games seek to trim as much fluff and fat from the genre while delivering a consistently engaging experience.

>>714153002
It's just stance break test

>>714185838
They wouldn't have gotten something that could break the veil if they simply decided to upgrade their weapons. They SPECIFICALLY needed the pure chroma from the axons and only Verso knew that.

>>714185554
You'd kill yourself if you had to live with the injuries Alicia has. You wouldn't be in the minority of people who do that.

>>714185960
>Yes the genocide is already committed by the end when you pick
You know that those people can be brought back because you already saw it happen with Lune and Sciel, who are not some emotionless husk copies, but fully themselves, with their personalities, free will and memories intact.
The fuck is wrong with you monkeys?

Bonus point: Pic related is how a "mind controlled" person in that universe looks like, because there is no simple mind control magic that just forces people to do what you want them to.

>>714151979 (OP)
it's a western game with pretty girls. what more do you want?

>>714151979 (OP)
Astroturfing and hype culture. Modern gamers deserve the noose.

>>714186413
>Maelle's ending isnt all sugar and rainbows, mostly because she is out here making completely fake and gay copies of characters
>even Sciel is a bit disappointed in her fake and gay husband
That's 100% something you made up and that goes against everything you saw in the game. Sciel is herself, her husband is himself.
People can be turned into chroma, that chroma can be turned back into people. You know that it works because you saw it happen in the game.

>>714152093
Was there any maelle without any clothes in that thread?

>>714186752
I agree with you that they can be brought back, I just agreed that he's not killing them again in the end, he already killed everyone with the help of Renoir. And people think they're the good guys, blows my mind. Clea is has psychopathic vibes, taunts her sister about how she caused her brothers death, creates that monster Clea in the canvas, creates a monster in the canvas as a child that terrorizes Verso for fun...

>>714180985
What if you don't know what you're talking about and are wrong?

>>714182168
>he literally just joins the Expedition
He is getting Gustave killed in order to make them weaker so that he can manipulate them for his own goals, you retard. Enjoy the spoiler.

>>714186470
She dies in one week of dehydration "IRL" or something like that.
If you count the slow time inside the paintings she could live for many centuries in other paintings without being tied to her mental illness and she'd be much better.

>>714187027
Her body will die in that world faster sure, but she'll live a full life in the canvas with the people she love. Her family outside the painting treats her like garbage and her body is broken.

>>714151979 (OP)
i reach chapter 2 after gustave death and basically drop the game because gustave was the only motherfucker i care on there, maybe another day i will give it a chance

https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/713983994/#713983994
E33fags, this is your mindset

>>714186487
Hire one of those consultant agencies to redesign the characters. I hope you like partially shaved heads and short hair on your women.

>>714153154
Classifying something that you don’t like as le heckin reddit chungus doesn’t mean anything nigga
>>714153361
I look like this and I loved that line
>>714178807
>lol this game pulls that shit like three times, fuck off
Gustave is as a perma death unless you count the Maelle ending.
Maelle did die because she wasn’t real. Lune and Ciel aren’t real so Maelle was. able to capture their chroma before it was too late to remake them.
All of this served a a narrative purpose without being asspulls. You’re just a seething nigger mad that your tranime slop couldn’t pull this off without scaring the hoes.

>>714152189
you can't browse 4chan unless you never had sex, read the rules reddit normie

>>714186567
I dont think she does anything wrong necessarily, but I also think recreating the ones that fallen naturally prior to the mass gomage after they fucked up and killed the paintress is very unhealthy for everyone involved in the canvas. Its debatable on the logistics or reality of the others she brought back afterward as well, but I can more or less write it off thanks to Sciel and Lune, it is more the ones outside of that event im a lot more skeptical of. I think I would have accepted that ending a lot more.
>>714186879
Who is to say that the chroma for Sciel's Husband, who she didnt know well, was even reconstructed correctly? Unless Chroma itself as a consciousness of its own. Even the gestral rebirth sidequest goes over how Noco, while having a lot of the same traits and properties, is still different from the one that had died, and Monoco expresses that Noco goes from his old mentor, to someone he now takes care of.

I think both endings are great, and I enjoy the fact that I can even discuss the more ambiguous aspects.

>>714152081
Nice

>>714177946
Hey, Gustavefags, what would Gustave think of this >>714177946 ?

>>714187138
>Her family outside the painting treats her like garbage and her body is broken.
How true is this outside of Clea? We dont know anything about how the others treat her prior to the incident.

>>714186273
Nintendo fanboys really can't help themselves, but shit on everything that isn't on their tablet.

Clea didn’t treat Alicia like shit. You guys are retarded

>>714187560
>How true is this outside of Clea?
When her mother painted her replacement family she still made Alicia crippled and mute. She did not paint Verso as a crispy corpse.

>>714187560
>Aline paints a perfect picture of her family so she can live out her fantasy life exactly how she wants
>Painted Alicia is still scarred and disfigured and in constant pain
Kinda tells you all you need to know about her opinion of her daughter.

>>714185872
I've beaten the game, you're just stuck on arguing semantics like the other fags in the thread while also losing scope of the original context of this whole back and forth, which is that someone thought Verso was such a cool proactive protagonist that takes shit into his own hands. Verso also doesn't try to talk them out of it, either, what the fuck are (you) on? He simply expresses that it's nearly impossible and that he tried before. The second Lune says they're still going to do it, Verso capitulates and immediately gives up the two locations as well as which is weaker and better to take on first. Looking back on it, too, it's Lune that brings up the Expedition 58 Journal, so they didn't need Verso at all to tell them about the Axons at all. Again, situated in the original context of this conversation, it's just further presentation as Verso reactively responding to the party rather than being active in driving the plot forward.
And I'll be clear here; I don't think that being reactive makes a character worse or the writing bad--I just think that one anon is wrong and should get Verso's cock out of their holes.

>>714187560
Aline painted every other member of the family lovingly, but painted Alicia as the disfigured mute she is in real life

>>714185960
Anon, they're not real. They and their actions are just painted by Alicia's family. You can't kill that which is not alive, much like you and I can't kill Alicia, because she's not real to us.

>>714187807
>you're just stuck on arguing semantics
You fucking brought it up, you disingenuous cunt

>>714187617
lmao that's actually sad

>>714187809
>>714187772
For some reason im stupid and wasnt even thinking about that. Thanks anons

>>714185960
>>714185554
>Game starts with you setting off to stop the Gommage
>Some faggots think the right ending is to commit to the Gommage with no way back because some lady coughed a bit and a disabled girl would rather live in the world where she grew up and made friends and isn't in constant pain
Really gets the noggin joggin.

>>714187807
It’s not semantics. You’re just too stupid and didn’t understand the story

>>714187617
I dont believe in the tendie scapegoat here, but Nintendo dedicated youtubers are some of the saddest people there are. Especially someone with a FE3H avatar, which is a game that is so riddled with the worst pacing imaginable that it is propped up all on its own, and I say that as someone who enjoyed the blue lions route and played the whole franchise

>>714187138
Her family cares about her which is why they don't let her an hero.
You also ignored the second part that she could always live in controlled fantasyland instead of the permacope mode of Verso's painting.

>>714186370
>>714184482
Lune immediately falls in line when Gustave gets himself back together after the first area.

>>714188142
Your life started with a singular purpose to end. So do us all a favor and get to it already.

>>714187807
>Looking back on it, too, it's Lune that brings up the Expedition 58 Journal
Yeah I saw that too. But it was his plan to hunt down the paintress's heart to dissipate the barrier in the first place, they just needed an alternative when fake Renoir teleported it away.

>>714186738
>Only Verso knew that
Yes, nevermind the Expedition 58 journal or the Expedition 60 journal.

>>714187138
>Her body will die in that world faster sure, but she'll live a full life in the canvas with the people she love.
Versos words to her are basically "you are capable of painting your own worlds lol"

>>714187006
>Enjoy the spoiler
You absolutely stupid nigger, I've 100%'d the game. Verso didn't 'get Gustave killed'. Renoir was already going to do that shit. Verso merely didn't intervene because he's a little pussy and didn't want Gustave manipulating Maelle. It has nothing to do with making the Expedition weaker. You're a fucking moron.

>>714188057
Also when Aline sees Maelle at monolith she immediately lights her face on fire

>>714188142
If Maelle is recreating people like gustave anyway, what is there to say that she cant do that within her own painting? There might be an in universe reason im missing, I couldnt pretend to remember all the lore intricacies

>>714187379
>b-b-but it doesn't count and also they aren't real people and also uhhh you like trannies and anime and are just MAD
anon, you're embarrassing yourself. Why are you bending over backwards to defend this French game?

>>714188723
It's almost like Verso is a complex character with depth and flaws who unknowingly makes the wrong decision many times over the course of the story. If he'd saved Gustave rather than let him die that ironically may have actually given Verso the outcome he wanted all along, because Gustave was the one person who might have actually been able to convince Maelle to leave the canvas once the cat came out of the bag about the nature of the painting and what would happen to her if she stayed inside it for too long

>>714188204
>Nintendo dedicated youtubers are some of the saddest people there are
They seem to live in some weird parallel dimension. Recently saw a video about how the Gamecube 'shaped a generation'.

>>714188895
>what is there to say that she cant do that within her own painting?
I think that's why they added the "piece of real Verso's soul stuck in the canvas" thing in. Now she's desperately holding on to the last bit of her brother's soul and there's no easy "everyone lives" ending.

>>714152081
Well this is spooky

>>714189226
>the Gamecube 'shaped a generation'.
I mean that's sort of true in a microcosmic sense, it created Smashstinkies

>>714188895
She's not as good a painter as Verso. It's implied she couldn't create a whole world like that without getting better. The point is that she did get born and live 16 years in Verso's world, so for her that's as much the legitimate world as the one outside the painting. Were she to try to make a new one, herself, it'd probably feel too much like facsimile and fall short.

>>714189336
She brought Lune and Sciele back exactly as they were, painted Verso is close enough to real Verso that he's able to help teach her how to paint people correctly

>>714151979 (OP)
>All these complaints about hte gameplay
>The lead director is a DMChad
Honestly I wouldn't mind it if their next game was an action game, I think it'd be sick to watch them save the action genre by making something that ISN'T rollslop

>>714189104
It's a good thing I'm not arguing on whether the character is nuanced or not, just that he's not the proactive mensch that one anon misinterpreted him as.

>>714189461
Yes, but that's because she has their chroma to bring them back as they were. It's like having all the right paints on your pallet to follow along to a Bob Ross video.

>>714185981

Why are you so angry? I have the right to say that a game is so good, it outweighs the drawbacks of belonging to a genre I'm quite sure I don't enjoy.

>Maybe on advanced grammar of a language you don't speak?

My statements was grammatically correct and even if it wasn't, that hyperbole does you no favours

>>714188723
>Verso didn't 'get Gustave killed'. Renoir was already going to do that shit
The whole point to the final event with Maelle was Verso debating on admitting to Maelle specifically on whether to lie to her or not about how he felt about Gustave, who he did believe would jeopardize his own goals
>>714189104
Yeah I believe the real Gustave we follow throughout the game would convince Maelle to leave, knowing her fate, since its been shown through the short time we had with him that he cares about her basically more than anything else.
>>714189336
>She's not as good a painter as Verso. It's implied she couldn't create a whole world like that without getting better.
Initially yeah, but a big point of her growth and her evolution inside the canvas itself was showing that she could in fact start making her own worlds, which is why Verso said that to her before he fully disappeared to begin with. In her ending she was pretty much able to replicate and repair a lot of what had gone wrong including an entire city of people

>>714170687
>it's bad because it's not Japanese
lmao you weebs always make me LAUGH

>>714189469
Making the wrong decisions is proactive by definition, anon

>>714186384
>and the precedent of Aline,
Renoir says all painters have bouts like Aline. He was also trapped inside a canvas just like Alicia and Aline. Maelle ending is basically letting her work shit out on her own and eventually she'll either snap out of it and leave the canvas voluntarily (with all the gang alive except Verso who can be allowed to die) or will be dragged out by Clea, Renoir or Aline if she can unfuck herself. Picking Verso ending just means you treat her like a stupid kid who doesn't know better and removing any chance of a happy ending, when the exact same effect can be achieved later on by Alicia's family if she/Maelle starts going nutty inside the canvas

>>714189464
>buckbreak other turn based RPGs
>proceed to buckbreak action RPGs

I can't beat him; It's actually impossible. I've beaten every other powerful boss, but I'm throwing in the towel. I can get through the first phase easily enough. But he wipes my entire team before I can even get him down to 3/4 health in the second phase.

>>714189850
Dude Maelle ending is literally selfish suicide at the expense of literally everyone else and eventually, herself. You're a naive child who got mad when your parents wouldn't let you have ice cream for breakfast.

>>714190134
Just watch a video of his attacks if you don't want to cheese him

Why are you so angry? I have the right to say that a game is so good, it outweighs the drawbacks of belonging to a genre I'm quite sure I don't enjoy.

>Maybe on advanced grammar of a language you don't speak?

My statement was grammatically correct and even if it wasn't, that hyperbole does you no favours

>>714151979 (OP)
its baby's first JRPG outside some final fantasy and persona.
take turn based combat, make it more paletablle and boom you have an instant hit the retards swoon over

>>714190375
>It's baby's first JRPG aside from these numerous other games
It's like you don't even understand what you're typing.

>>714189850
Picking the Maelle ending doesnt incentivize her to leave or move on. Part of her arc, and Sciel's arc both involve accepting the losses of those they have loved, and Maelle bringing both Gustave and Pierre back simply interferes with the process. With Verso's simulacrum around playing piano, who is to say she will even move on, because it would be hard to let go of this Verso. Going in and forcing her out is a lot more of the equivalent of treating her like a stupid kid who doesnt understand the gravity of her situation, and it ultimately makes the healing process for the family as a whole worse, because this fragment of Verso is still present and around, and still serves as a consistent reminder

>>714190375
>its baby's first
People keep trying to go for this line, but everywhere I'm looking I see oldfags gushing about how they haven't enjoyed a story based game like this since their youth.

>>714190134
Put difficulty in journalist mode or use one of the couple of minmax builds to do 5M damage with Stendhal on your fist turn.

>>714189850
Forcing her out is like forcing an addict to go cold turkey whether they like it or not. They'll probably appreciate it later. Letting her stay is just giving her more drugs and hoping she just magically stops being addicted one day.

>>714190489
>Part of her arc
I think you are too writers 101 pilled to properly think about the story. For Maelle the decision is to live with her family in agony or live with her other family and have a good life.
There is also wiping out a whole nation of sentient beings on there which is another point that people who think that a story has to be about a singular thing like to glance over.

>>714185981

Why are you so angry? I have the right to say that a game is so good, it outweighs the drawbacks of belonging to a genre I'm quite sure I don't enjoy.

>Maybe on advanced grammar of a language you don't speak?

My statement was grammatically correct and even if it wasn't, that hyperbole does you no favours

>>714190613
>They'll probably appreciate it later.
Do you know that when you are burned up like that your skin constantly tears and rips open when you move around to the point where you just sit there and wither away because you are scared of hurting yourself?
Do you know that she can't breathe without being in pain? That she can't talk and is half blind? That her family blames her for the death of their beloved son and that she just lost a 2nd group of people she spent 16 years with to the paintocaust?

Alicia is going to kill herself.

>>714186453
>Redline has a past reason behind its existence
>Hints through the decades the real world sunk long ago(confirmed now)
>Clam Belt has reason for existing
>Grand Line has a reason for existing
What's your point?

>>714190154
>>714190489
>pick Verso
>Maelle is forced out
>canvasgang all dead
>Maelle may or may not be better irl

>pick Maelle
>she may or may not get better on her own, inside the canvas
>if she does it's a good ending, Maelle leaves the canvas, canvasgang all alive
>if she doesn't Renoir, Clea or even Alicia can enter the canvas and force her out
>Maelle is forced out
>chance for canvasgang to stay alive since all three are more powerful painters and wouldn't have to take out the canvas itself to get Maelle out
>Maelle may or may not be better irl

>>714190473
>aside from numerous other games that are also baby's first JRPG
wow i sure wonder why they're all being compared.
>>714190548
because it takes the basic JRPG formula/ common tropes and grinds them down into something more palletable for people who are probably burnt out on the genre.
also happens to please newcomers too

Why did Maelle enter the Canvas to begin with again?

>>714190969
>>714191080
The game is about accepting loss, pain, and moving on. Maelle ending is just living in a fantasy world forever because she can't cope.

>>714191080
The canvas gang has no chance unless you force Verso's tired soul to continue painting. The whole point of showing the soul fragment painting is basically stating that it is the battery that powers the world itself

>>714191190
Her sister was using her as a tool to save their parents. It was a risky plan from the beginning

>>714191549
>>714191549

>>714191080
>canvasgang all dead
Verso's friends knew his plan from the beginning and still helped him do it, even lying to the others. They knew it was for the best and accepted their death/erasure

>>714190969
>burn victims have never gone on to live remotely happy lives
I wouldn't assume the majority but you can find some feel good success stories of people that looked dead/near death. I have no idea how this works but wouldn't she also heal better since it happened while she's young?

>>714191080
The only ones that truly get the raw deal are Sciel and Lune, with the Gestrals and mountain people falling in a weird in between.

Monoco is loyal to Verso knowing full well what will happen, especially knowing that he was given life through Verso so it is only fair that he can finally move on with Esqiue in a similar boat.

>>714191230
>living in a fantasy world forever because she can't cope.
As Renoir said all painters go through that kind of phase and even if it looked like she'd be stuck inside forever Renoir, Clea can still force her out and destroy the canvas. At worst she wasted some time inside, didn't get better and they're back at square 1. It's game theory and Maelle ending gives you a potential upside with downside being the same outcome as Verso ending.

>>714191439
That's the one part that could be an issue. Still assuming a painter can replace the battery that powered the world, Maelle could let Verso die and take over and if she gets better the canvas could continue existing or she could have Clea fix it since she can paint over other people's creations.

If she can't replace Verso's soul fragment she'll either learn to let the canvas die when she's ready to leave or she won't in which case she'll be dragged outside against her wishes and the canvas would be destroyed which is just delayed Verso ending

>>714192218
>and even if it looked like she'd be stuck inside forever Renoir, Clea can still force her out and destroy the canvas.
That is a lot easier said that done considering the amount of effort it took to take Aline out to begin with

>>714192218
>Maelle ending gives you a potential upside with downside being the same outcome as Verso ending.
You are ignoring the potential downside of being even more debilitated than she already is when she leaves making it harder to cope with reality, which is why Renoir was especially worried about Aline to begin with

Everything about the game feels intentional and full of passion, the game has a relevant message about /critique of escapism and grief, but not too obvious to the point of being shoved down your throat.

In contrast, most other games feel soulless, like they’re just ticking boxes on some manager’s checklist and their existence isn't justfied beyond that.

Also it's not trying too hard like le kojumbo games.

>>714190759
>There is also wiping out a whole nation of sentient beings on there which is another point that people who think that a story has to be about a singular thing like to glance over.

I'm shocked this point is often overlooked and barely touched-upon in the game, yet it puts the seemingly "bad" ending in a much better light, though obviously not the way the devs intended

>>714192741
I interpreted the point that the sentient beings are already kind of fucked simply because Verso himself is dead. They were thrust into a doomed situation because their creators were taken from him. The other beings were created due to meddling in a work that was not their own

>>714192741
The problem is that if the real Maelle falls to pieces then the world goes back to a doomed state. An often glossed over part of the story is that there IS a war going on and that the Dessandre family was in fact targeted. What if another event that leads to tragedy happens again, and they all have to leave their home because its burning again or something along those lines? Maelle will be more than just half burnt, and the canvas itself will also suffer a horrific fate