Thread 714193652

>73%
>73%
>73%

>>714193652 (OP)
Still ain't 100%. Also Europe has so much more pressing shit going on that they wouldn't even give this an initial glance.

Sage'd and reported.

FPBP

u mad

>>714194015
>Europe is one person who can only look at one thing at a time

>thinking any government anywhere gives a fuck about video games beyond what they show to children
Eurokeks.....

Don't worry SKG, the pedophile zoofur is with you.

>>714194392
awareness of leto needs to be raised further, the more people know about him the more likely something will be done about him

>>714194661
>>714194392
Double falselfag

>>714193652 (OP)
I want to sign this but americans still owe me rimjob for steam refunds for everyone last time.

>>714195005
doesn't change that leto is directly responsible for years of people shitting up the site by providing them the means to do so

So do I get mad at the thing that hopes to improve my rights as a consumer rights solely to spite my fellow gamer?

>>714196442
no, of course not. ignore those buffoons.

I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN WIN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_5WIzkM0r8

>>714196442
If you want to be critical of Stop Killing Games, let it be because the government has a poor track record for consumer rights protection and is willfully ignorant as to the economics of the games industry. An ideal solution would involve instead taking away government-backed corpo power by, e.g., scaling back the power of intellectual property law, but that shit's not gonna happen, so for now this is the best we can do.

>>714197528
Holy shit this guy changed. Last time I saw him he had green hair.
He does look a bit more like a potato now that he's older, is it because he's Irish?

>>714194189
Europeans are cheering on their own replacement.

>>714194097
Based. This is literally begging. These threads need to be treated as strictly as Touhou.

why did everyone suddenly decide to care after nearly a year?

All this debate comes down to one simple choice:
>fuck Ubisoft
>not fuck Ubisoft
If you pick the second one, your "opinion" is irrelevant and you are not one of us

>>714198087
Europeans crawled over and begged big dick American ecelebs to throw them a crumb of exposure.

Is it possible to start an EU petition to ban all shitskins from the continent ?

>>714198087
Because Ross embraced the drama and made a video saying the initiative is dead.

>be company
>have to make some end-of-life support bullshit
>change the legal status of your product from "game" to "live service" so the new law doesn't apply
>business as usual, the company wins

>be small indie dev
>put multiplayer on your fun little game
>now you'll have to pay money making sure people can self host it
>your multiplayer server is hosted by a third party so you can't even do anything because you don't own the servers

Bravo SKG

>>714197614
It's pointless to pontificate on how this entire thing could be handled better.
Yes, it could be better, Ross handled it in a really bad way too but we must start somewhere to get anywhere, somebody has to set a precendent and this is the time to do that.
Failing to do so means things will only get steadily worse and with less and less chances to actually oppose the shit corporations keep pulling to fuck over people.

You know (they) are getting scared because they keep sending cp spammers to kill the threads.
The pepe image of shills should have a "shills get so desperate they resort to cp spam" part

>>714198401
that's leto's cabal of retards, not (them)

>>714193652 (OP)
>before providing reasonable means to continue functioning of said videogames
does that mean devs will be forced to publish source code?

I support the initiative but it’s going to fuck over some honest devs

>>714198331
This image is Wagner for my sides.

>>714198329
What a sad attempt.

>>714198329
>your multiplayer server is hosted by a third party so you can't even do anything because you don't own the servers
b-but anon, you still wrote the server software. Video games don't just use magical general-purpose servers. You still have full control over the development of the multiplayer system for your game. Why don't you just build it the same way they built multiplayer server software twenty years ago so that people can self-host, or use peer-to-peer?

The weakness of your mockery betrays your ignorance. Pop Thor's dick out of your mouth and lurk more, newfag.

>>714198087
Ross made a video saying it was game over unless something changed. Twitchfags started spamming their popular parasocial friends like moistcritical and it spiralled from there. Also the main guy opposing this, Piratesoftware, had drama a couple months ago and now he's in more unrelated drama, so people have rallied against him in support of SKG forming a feedback loop. There's still a chance, EUfags need to keep their momentum for a bit more.

>>714194097
/thread

>>714198692
>EUfags need to keep their momentum for a bit more.
That's the other thing that changed - this time around, more people from Europe with European audiences are talking about it, in part because the drama with Pirate Software dramatically increased the broadcast strength of the initiative by involving larger YouTubers and streamers like Charlie. Josh Strife Hayes has also positioned himself in support of SKG, which caused him to become an unwitting vector into the EU when Pirate Software tried to reach out to him to help soothe his butthurt.

>>714198624
You know it's true.
I think SKG's goal is really noble but the way they're trying to further consumer rights is completely retarded. Even SKG can't explain what they stand for.
>>714198646
You're assuming I'm talking technicalities or the logistics but I'm focusing on the law that SKG implies because that is really the biggest problem SKG faces, not technical, not logistical, but law.
Also:
>P2P
It’s vulnerable to cheating, NAT fuckery, sync issues, and security holes you really don’t want in your game.
>Self-hosting
That means building a clean server binary, documenting it, making it runnable on various OSes, securing it, updating it when exploits are found, and probably open-sourcing chunks of your game logic.
>“They did it 20 years ago!”
You’re asking solo devs to operate like fucking Blizzard.

>>714198087
it was planned from the start
its impossible to keep relevance for a whole year
we had a great start and now we have to push it over the finish line with a last ditch effort
the urgency is working for the initiative

>>714199210
>It’s vulnerable to cheating
only literal children care about this
>That means building a clean server binary, documenting it
If it works fine then your documentation would be as simple as "configure this one thing and run it like this"
>making it runnable on various OSes
No? You can leave it runnable only on Linux or Windows, whatever you use internally.
>securing it, updating it when exploits are found
No further work needs to be done by the developers. Do you not understand what an abandonware product is?
>probably open-sourcing chunks of your game logic.
Nobody is asking for open-sourcing unless it's a last resort for remaining compliant.

>>714193652 (OP)
When's the final date? Also, I can't find the page where it shows all the Countries' current signed percentages anymore.

>>714199210
You overestimate how easy it would be to make a game able to be hosted by randoms or release a kit to self host a server. It used to be the standard 20 years ago, so please fuck off since it's clearly past your bedtime.

>>714193652 (OP)
Shouldn't Europe be focused on more pressing matters like deterring Russia?

>>714199640
Stop Killing Games Tracker: https://stopkillinggamestracker.pages.dev/

this is most likely going to be a slippery slope
government gives you free games
then government gives kids free hrt
think about it

>>714199754
Thanks

>>714199864
I'll give you a free sibling

>>714199754
>+53k signatures today
Man, I was sure this would fail a year ago, but now it has real chances of passing.

>need 12-15k signatures per day, every day, for a month straight

I don't see it happening.

>>714199210
>You're assuming I'm talking technicalities or the logistics but I'm focusing on the law that SKG implies because that is really the biggest problem SKG faces, not technical, not logistical, but law.
OK, well then you're double stupid because you think it's possible for a product to stop being legally considered a video game just because it's a live service, and because you presume that independent studios will be pidgeonholed into an untenable legal situation that doesn't exist.

> It’s vulnerable to cheating, NAT fuckery, sync issues, and security holes you really don’t want in your game.
Literally everything is vulnerable to cheating and security risks, buttmunch. You're going to have to dedicate resources to countering it no matter how you structure your online system, which is a very good reason why you shouldn't shackle games to an online service if they don't need them!

> That means building a clean server binary
The horror. How could anyone ask that programmers build clean binaries?
> documenting it
Not necessarily. Fans have managed to do a lot with undocumented server software in the past. It depends whether the release is an intended feature or just part of your end-of-life plan.
> making it runnable on various OSes
Horror and shock, you'll have to make the server binary support the same games that the game client does, what an unconscionable burden to place on video game developers.
> securing it, updating it when exploits are found
See previous.
> and probably open-sourcing chunks of your game logic.
Uh, no? I mean, that would be a nice bonus, but why would it be necessary?

> You’re asking solo devs to operate like fucking Blizzard.
The way fucking Blizzard operates is part of the reason this is such a problem now, you fuckwit. You're still just parroting Jason's talking points. How about instead of just taking everything he says as read you learn how actual gamedev works?

>>714200228
All you need is Pewdiepie to make a fucking video instead of a shitty community post.

you niggers laughed at me years ago when I complained about developers moving away from releasing server software, and when this live service faggotry started getting wild and said how devs are now in control of how long the game can be played and they can shut the whole thing down
>lol that never gonna happen, and if it do is kk I already played the game, and it's fun :)
now you retards are asking for help?
no, you get to sleep in the bed you made, but hey, please take this good old blanket of "I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO" so you're more comfortable

>>714200326
>all you need to do is make [irrelevant youtuber] make a video for an English-speaking audience
literally wouldn't change anything

>>>/ecelebs/
>>>/ecelebs/
>>>/ecelebs/
>>>/ecelebs/
>>>/ecelebs/
>>>/ecelebs/

>>714200514
>>>>/shut/
>>>>/the/
>>>>/fuck/
>>>>/up/
>>>>/nigger/

>>714200436
>/v/ is one person
I've been doomsaying about this for over a decade too.

>>714200228
>I don't see it happening.
lmao watch this

>>714200772
This is the burst following eceleb posts. It won't last a month.

>>714200772
>Over 9K signatures a day
This is never happening is it?

>>714200228
>>714200901
Less than 9000 a day now.

>>714200901
We're getting 50k signatures a day, nigger. Two days ago it was 40k.

>think of the le poor devs
that's crazy man

Finally, Albino noticed.

>>714201078
>a live service game publisher's worst nightmare

We're getting signatures so fast I'm thinking most of them are bots. What's the best way to kill the movement other than reach 1M quickly, give people a false sense of victory, make people stop signing, and then surprise everyone when it turns out the true number isn't 1M?

Even if the petition passed, all that would happen is Levi Shillowitz would throw Grendel Grunfershmitz 6 million euros to sweep that shit under the rug.

>>714201301
It's literally not possible to bot this shit, entries are linked to digital IDs.

>>714201030
Less than 9000 per day to get to 1 million. But many anons have said these petitions usually have many bad votes, and realistically you need to hit 120% of the goal.
Each individual person, address, ID number gets checked at the end, and you know many retards got them wrong.

>>714201324
This is the EU, not the US.

>>714199623
>Do you not understand what an abandonware product is?
Anon doesn't understand the concept of anything existing that isn't officially endorsed by Uncle Sam. The people denying him access to products and services he's purchased say that abandonware doesn't exist, and so in his mind it doesn't exist. And if you play abandonware games without giving money to copyright holders (even if they don't exist anymore) then you're a horrible evil person and you're the reason why the megacorprations need to turn all of your games into spyware.

>>714201409
>But many anons have said these petitions usually have many bad votes
lmao, you guys are trying so hard to discredit this movement.
See >>714201386
>It's literally not possible to bot this shit, entries are linked to digital IDs.

>>714201030
Wooohooo!

>>714201409
You don't fill in the address. Only name and ID number.

>>714200586
Why do you "crusaders" like to ruin this board?

>>714194015
just kill yourself already

>>714201947
lmao

>>714196442
whoever gave you that image is a FUCKING IDIOT

>>714193652 (OP)
It's time for Russia to make their move on the baltics. SKG will be for the kremlin to decide.

74%. Can we hit 75% before the end of the day?

>74%
>74%
>74%
>74%

EUROBROS LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>714202198
Wait wasn't it like 69 this morning?

>>714201947
kekaroo!!!

>>714198783
>a dead post is "/thread"
newfag retard just fuck off

>>714201030
IT'S UNDER NINE THOUSAAAAND!

this is more important that immigration crisis so EU will definitely take attention to this.

>>714202318
Yeah, there's been >55k signatures just today so for.

>>714202548
I'm sure they will find a time slot between the kike worship session, the anti-putinist dance performance, and the woman politician bookselling event.

>step 1, call yourself piratesoftware
>step 2, make people hate your guts and say "i hate pirate software"
>step 3, now everyone hates pirate software and sofware piracy is dead
>step 4: ???
>step 999: profit

>>714202876
Funnily enough, that's literally the reason behind his name.

>public opinion on stop killing games and piratesoftware changed
>asmongold is now in favor of it
lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn5GWpYWMDU

>>714203243
Oh, he paused his politics coverage to grace the movement a moment of his time? How kind of him.

>>714203243
>"this is like the avengers!" he says, as he tries to get involved
Cringest of the cringe.

30 more days.
I expect this most recent surge to plateu soon, but I'm actually hopeful that one more good surge in signatures will see us to 1,000,000
A historic victory against the faggots ruining my hobby

>>714198331
man, I love reject all cookies option

>>714194015
kek, he doesnt know that the entire MO of European governments is to deal with unimportant, trivial busywork in lieu of what actually matters.

>>714203446
You can thank corrupt Irish Politicians and American tech giants for that one.

Slava Ukrani

>suomi 5 percent away from 300%
how the fuck do they do it bros?

>50k today
What happened? Did some big eceleb make another video on it? Where's this new push coming from? A couple days ago we were at 30k per day.

>Signatures today: 56k
I haven't been following things since yesterday evening. Did something happen?

I call for all Europeans to end their neutrality and sign the #StopKillingGames petition so we can protect European citizens from malicious practices
I call for #ExPirateSoftware and have Jason go bankrupt and live on the streets while getting his buck broken for undermining the interests of the European master race

>>714203743
Pewdiepie made a tweet in support.

>>714193652 (OP)
don't forget the UK petition, it might actually go through on time
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/702074/

>>714203743
Jack did a vid, Pew commented on the movement, and we're still riding momentum from the first big push and other countries are getting involved

Piratecuck btfo

>>714203647
Piss easy to sign up, literally took me a minute

signed it. I just wanna see that blizzard nepo baby faggot cope and seethe desu

fuck asmongold the hypocrite rat(kike)

>>714203878
imagine EVERYONE suddenly hating you for being a fucking faggot
from something that happened 10 months ago no less
god I hope he kills himself

>>714203782
Many large youtubers have been making videos about it or have mentioned it (like pewdiepie) and political figures like elon musk have retweeted it.

>>714203782
>pewdiepie posted about it
>jacksepticeye posted about it
>elon musk retweeded a post about pewdiepie supporting it

>>714203907
he deserves death, but coping and seething will suffice for now

>>714203943
dont be asmonphobic..

>>714203830
>pewds made a tweet
>not even a video
>just a tweet
>we'll probably get 60k today
Is he gonna make a video? Is Ross still gonna do his twitter push tomorrow?
>>714203876
I don't know who this jack is. Is he a gayman jewtuber too? How big is his audience? Is he euro?

why exactly is this petition on such a specific timescale? does europoor law require you get at least a million keks in a certain amount of time or else they conclude nobody cares?

GERMANY SEKAI ICHIIIII

what happens if it reaches 100

>>714203992
this ugly faggot doesn't have any good takes, people say he's an agent for [country I hate] but really he's just thoroughly retarded

>>714204082
nothing
the petition is not valid

>>714203647
They're white.

>>714204082
Ubisoft declares bankruptcy the next day.
Ross is elected god-king of the EU.

>>714203945
>god I hope he kills himself
We all do. He is a miserable asshole and a liar (the blizzard stuff is highly exaggerated)

>>714204115
>he's just thoroughly retarded
On purpose, for grifting purposes. Asmongold is actually pretty intelligent, and you can tell when his mask drops at certain moments.

>>714204125
If something like this happens, companies will get set on fire.

>>714199864
We should learn from the American government on how to do things

>>714204057
yes, just how the law is
you are allowed to try again with the same exact petition however if it expires, but then the votes start from 0 again

>>714204082
it has to reach more like 120% realistically because of fake signatures
but then the EU parliament is forced to consider this and have teams of people researching the topic before considering whether or not to write laws on it
it's entirely possible they throw it in the bin after all this, but it's way more likely they actually draw up laws
Modernizing EU laws concerning digital goods has been going on for some time now, government just moves slowly

>>714204115
He's a rat who'll say whatever he perceives to be the most advantageous opinion to get money, he's not stupid, just completely morally bankrupt

>>714204082
the EU actually has to give a shit, get off their golden thrones and address the issue once and for all so that humanity is no longer in the dark about whether we are mere lambs for the slaughter or not

>>714204237
none really cares about this anon
we europeans have way bigger problems to deal with than death of obscure vidya
lmao

>>714203949
>>714203969
>Elon Musk
Da fuck?

>>714204050
>Is Ross still gonna do his twitter push tomorrow?
yes
>Is he gonna make a video?
Probably, but very unlikely to happen tomorrow.

>>714204367
Don't you know? He's a gamer! Just like (you)!

>>714204367
He's a rat who always tries to be well-liked by gamers. Are you surprised?

spamming is against the rules

>>714198253
Unironically, yes. But you'll have to put it to your actual name and address.

>>714204115
his takes are ok, the only real bad takes i see from him are things from outside of america. geo politics aren't his strong suit mostly because he's naïve about it yet still spouts out bad takes in full confidence.

>>714204058
poland right behind :3c

>>714194015
They'd rather keep Concord online than stop Ahmed from raping their sister

>>714204367
I think Elon just retweets popular things sometimes so that he looks like he's savvy. Realistically he probably has very little time in his day to actually learn the ins and outs of this particular issue.

>>714204417
>>714204442
>surprised?
Yes.
I completely expected him to be like the corporate bootlicking burgers who have been shitposting in these threads.

>>714204450
>I don't like it
>it must be spam
Six-year-olds aren't allowed on this website, you know. The government is probably going to call your parents about this.

>>714204596
Musk is more of a reactionary than your average conservative.

Congrats Barbossa, you are hereby officially more white than Italy.

>>714204589
>Realistically he probably has very little time in his day to actually learn the ins and outs of this particular issue.
You mean he can't take some time off from spending his day on twitter to check on some twitter drama?
As far as what's been posted in there, he's 90% up to speed. He most likely doesn't have the bigger picture from Ross's updates but he's well aware of it now.

>>714194015
trying very hard to FUD here, maldavius

>>714204596
He is, he's just too dumb to realize what he's retweeting. Jumping on every bandwagon, don't forget he used to say he's a communist, then an anarchist, now a libertarian....

>>714204794
Contrary to what you believe, Musk actually has businesses to micromanage.

>>714204082
m00t comes back

>>714196442
Do not kill yourself.

>>714204956
nta but thanks i needed to hear this
maybe life is worth living after all

>>714200873
>It won't last a month.
Won't have to. With the current momentum it's projected to pass 1mil by the 6th.
200,000 more as a safety buffer by the 10th.

>>714204756
>more white than Italy
That's not a difficult accomplishment

>>714205072
Here, have this

>>714204756
T-they only needed one fourth of our signatures!

>>714199864
>reddit frog
>demoralization post
Anyone else sensing a pattern?

>post a couple gayfats to rile up the eurotards
>it becomes this massive conspiracy
lol

>>714199864
That is a completely realistic and well founded concern.

>>714202318
Italy, France, Spain, and Austria have been awakened.
Italy and Austria in particular had been mostly untapped sofar, so they are rising FAST.

#killgames

>>714205228
>don't worry, guys
>there are no sites raiding you
>despite them admitting to it
>it's all in your head

>finally watch Ross video
>you can literally see how his heart breaks that someone like Pirate can even exist
He's too good for this world.

>>714204082
Israel declares war on the EU

>>714204359
You're europeans, you LOVE to have a fight against corporations just for the fun of it.
You guys did the GDPR thing that is like the pettiest thing possible.
"Stop killing games" is the perfect excuse to fuck around with american corpos.

>>714203647
>suomi 5 percent away from 300%
>how the fuck do they do it bros?
Finland has an incredibly strong game dev culture. When you have a solid education and social support system, people can afford to follow their passion.
>Remedy (Max Payne, Control, Alan Wake)
>Rovio (Angry Birds)
>Supercell (Clash of Clans/Royale)
>Noita
>Baba is You
>Flatout
>Barotrauma
>Cruelty Squad
>Bionic Bay
>Cities Skylines
>SCP Containment Breach
I can think all of these from the top of my head, from a country of 5 million people.

>>714199864
If they want to do that, they're gonna do that anyway
We can either have that and nothing, or that and dedicated servers in games back

>>714199754
Also useful: https://stop-killing-games.keep-track.xyz/

>>714204451
>Two far right leaches getting involved
Just make sure they don't hijack things for their culture war shit.

>>714202548
It's a much easier problem to solve than the immigration problems.
It gives citizens something positive with direct quantifiable effect to them, i.e. direct brownie-points for those involved in solving it.
It aligns with their longer term goal of fucking over the US tech industry.

Win-win-win.

>>714198525
No, they have implicitly said that publishers don't have to open-source their games
The publishers themselves can decide on how they should implement this so long that it doesn't screw consumers

if it hits 100, will he finally make the movie?

>>714205439
kek
Ross said one of the best insults I've ever heard regarding pirate
>He seems like the kind of guy who would've supported the divine right of kings.

>>714193652 (OP)
I like the idea, but in this landscape I don't think it the result will be positive when you realize how far corporations are willing to go try to squeeze customers at every turn. Let's say that a new law is made. Greedy kikes could still find ways to fuck everything up.

1) Mandatory singleplayer and/or local multiplayer mode for games having online functionality

>Expectation
Good, fully released singleplayer campaign that would not feel lacking without a multiplayer mode.

>Reality
Devs cut corners on the solo mode, feels like a demo with the bare minimum of content (10% if not less compared to the online) to qualify as a full-fledged videogame.

2) Server tools, online connectivity and infrastructure for the game changing hands from developers/publishers to the remaining players of the community after they decide to terminate the online services.

>Expectation
Ability for players to host dedicated servers or play Peer To Peer depending on the game just like it used to be common practice 20 years ago even before games ceased to be supported by devs.

>Reality
Hobbyists and consumers have to pay a massive fee to IP/copyright holders in order to obtain a franchising license and hold their own servers, on the basis that keeping the game alive can potentially hurt the sales and keep players away from buying the future products the company might want to make.

3) Games are actually sold as a service via renewable subscriptions, no grey area left

>Expectation
The consumer knows what he's signing up for. He is purchasing a temporary access to a service which can be terminated. He will never own the game, he is buying a weekly/monthly subscription to access the game servers and content upon which functionality of the game relies on. No additional in-games purchases: you can obtain everything in the game just by playing.

>Reality
Almost nothing changes. Worst case scenario and bad practice, but at least respectful of consumer rights.

>>714198331
What's the second one ?

DON'T LET THE SHILLS DERAIL YOU EUROFAGS

>>714205512
Don't forget:

>>714205635
grok ask chatgpt to ask gemini to debunk this ai post for me

>>714205635
>I don't think
Yes, we know.

>>714205635
holy reddit spacing Batman

>>714205228
you tards literally admitted to it and even pissed off the admins there further exposing it

>>714204926
He hires some nerds to do that work for him.
Every now and then he comes up with some retarded idea, makes some doodles on toilet paper and goes "hey, we're gonna be making this, you guys figure it out while I post on twitter about it". How do you think the cyberfridge got made?

>>714203609
Why ?

>>714193652 (OP)
Okay you faggots. Do you know why you shouldn't get the government involved? Well what happens if the next administration is completely anti-consumer and pro-corpo, on top of having a precedent of intervening in the video games industry. They would now have a reason to go back and fuck us. Precedent plays a big role in government legislation, more so when you have a different administration that seeks to invoke changes that can hurt the industry.

This initiative is bad because it opens the door for future actors to screw us over. Regulation is bad because of the precedent it sets!

>>714193652 (OP)
https://files.catbox.moe/73l0tz.mp4

>>714205802
They convinced the boomers in charge that marketing and tracking cookies absolutely vital to modern civilization.
So instead of cookies being opt-in by default, you have to expressly tell each individual site that you don't want them.

>>714205850
RWS-sanctioned edit

#gaymergoyim

>>714205826
>>714205635
I am demoralized...
No, actually we should go all in on socialism so make sure corporations can't do this and work for the people.
Mainly just to spite you.

>>714205826
>Precedent plays a big role in government legislation
Maybe in your retarded murica legal system, lmao

>>714205826
>the next administration
silly baka thinks Europe is a country

>>714205512
>forgetting My Summer Car
shiggy diggy

>>714205826
Retarded muttrat

>>714205987
NTA, but the EU pretty much acts like it is.

This is how the first month looked like. This last month needs to be better than the first month.

Why shouldn't I own the things I buy?

>>714205962
As some other brilliant anon said.
The government and the corporations are both the enemy, so it is moral to make em fight each other for my benefit.

>>714205157
And they only have one sixth of your population.

There's always been crossover between right and left when it comes to consumer rights but I'd be lying if I didn't say that the influencer right getting this close didn't make me nervous. It's so unbelievably easy to muddy a conversation like this.

Ross literally just saying "I don't want to piss people off by speaking with kiwifarms" was enough for chet to start telling people that Ross is clearly okay with everything kiwifarms does.

>>714205917
I mean why the corrupt irish. Also if they were corrupt wouldn't they force everyone to accept cookies ?

GAMERS RISE UP

>>714205826
>Precedent plays a big role in government legislation
only in Common Law systems. The EU uses Civil Law

>>714206054
>This last month needs to be better than the first month.
It already is. Then again, I don't assume Americans are capable of basic math.

>>714206064
>corporations are le bad
retard
you should be against the GOVERNMENT

Please retweet this too tomorrow.

>>714206090
>why the corrupt irish
You tell me. Why are they corrupt?

>>714206182
AMERICANS OUT OUT OUT OUT

>>714205386
>Yeah, I will do an AMA with the sub full of actual shills dedicated to american politics
I like Ross, but that's worse than doing nothing.

>>714205454
>SKG kills gayman corpos and gasses the juice
Double win.

>>714206090
there are people who don't like the reject all cookies button because it means they have to press a button when they go to a new site and instead of being mildly inconvenienced, avoiding shit like that should be entirely on the user end (which is retarded)

has anyone even made fanfiction of blizzard dev's yanderedev type game or is it a R:SL situation where there is none?

>>714206182
Any accumulation of power ends up evil.
Power corrupts and all that.
As soon they're not battling, they're finding ways to eat you.

>>714194015
They once tried to regulate electric kettles. I don't think they have anything better to do.

>>714204248
>Modernizing EU laws concerning digital goods has been going on for some time now, government just moves slowly
Of special note: parts of what the SKG initiative have been asking for have already been seeping into recent legislative and enforcement efforts.

A new document of guidelines on purchase of virtual currencies and digital content co-authored by the EU Commission and the various national authorities responsible for enforcing consumer rights legislation, already dedicates one of 7 core principles to banning any contractual terms that allow a publisher to unilaterally revoke access to purchased digital content in a manner that is unfair to the consumer.

Note that fairness here reflects also on Article 17 of the EU Charter, which grants consumers protection over their possessions which can only be taken away in isolated cases involving the public interest, for fair remuneration. The very same Article 17 on which SKG formulated its pitch for the European Citizens Initiative filed with the EU.

Brown here, this literally just proves to me that Anglos are the most divine race on the planet honestly. They're the only ones who look out for the little guy. Nords too because of how much they voted. I wish I could vote, but I'm the only Arab who somehow isn't in Europe kek. I did send it to all my eurobros though.

>>714206054
We got more votes in a week than we did in the first month so we just need to keep the momentum going

>I like Ross
I know right, he's just like daddy gym.

>>714206054
>1st month was 333k
>250k remaining needed
>This last month needs to be better than the first month.
u r not gud @ math

>>714201809
>I have no argument

>>714205571
>implicitly
Ross said it explicitly in some videos.

>>714205826
>Precedent plays a big role in government legislation
imagine living in a country where judges can pass laws on their own LMAO

74.6%

>>714199210
Anon, some random megaman fags made a fully fuctional game with private servers, TWICE. And you think it is an herculean task?

>>714203243
he was always in favor of it but the way he's defending and glazing pirate is very worrying, are they in secret gay relationship?

>>714206182
>only govt is bad
corporate slave

>>714206427
>I did send it to all my eurobros though.
Based.
>Brown here
Don't do this. Your actions are what decides what you are, not your skin color.

>>714205962
A government is made up of the people, so the people suck, but it can be improved. a corporation cannot be improved no matter what. Even if you say both are evil, it's clear there's obvious lesser if you're courting them as your ally.

>>714206182
Corporate shill spotted

>>714206427
>anglos
Brits havent been in the EU for years, they can't sign for this.

>>714206492
i'm not one of the "crusaders", retard

>>714205802
WE HIT 60K SIGNATURES TODAY
PIRATE SOFTWARE IS CRYING WHILE JERKING OFF TO FURRETS

>>714206569
>Your actions are what decides what you are, not your skin color.

>>714198329
>umm...It isn't a videogayme, it is a..FUCK *checks note* live service, that is
Do you really think that the average AAA multi game would have the same luck roblox, or fortnite did? Or that the authorities wouldn't start legal battles over the sudden rise of "experiences", or "live services" to avoid legal responsabilities?

>+60k
Transcended

>>714206349
lol you're scared of kids running lemonade stands
the government will arrest or kill you if you try to compete with them, corporations will help you get a headstart because they know that competition is beneficial to everyone

>>714206713
Behold! An actual nigger. You can tell, because it behaves like one.

>>714206569
Oh no worries I'm not self-hating or anything kek, I've been sending out this initiative since it first started and was assmad when that faggot Thor made a video about it. We might actually make it.

Why does /v/ keep shilling this shit? I thought you guys hated video games.

>>714204756
> All the previous hold-out counries are filling their gauges and going for the limit-break beyond 100%.
WHAT - THE - ACTUAL - JESUS - TAPDANCING - HOLY - FUCKING - CHRIST - ?!

>>714199623
>only literal children care about this
Cool, so let’s just nuke competitive integrity because you personally don’t care. Great mindset. Who gives a shit if your RPG’s PvP turns into a festival of packet tampering and infinite HP? It’s not like that would ruin the experience or anything. God forbid people want a game that isn’t a playground for script kiddies and sociopaths.
>Documentation would be simple
That’s not how reality works, my sweet summer dumbfuck. Even basic server kits need setup instructions, port info, dependency lists, version compatibility notes, etc. And when some dildo runs it wrong and screams “devs lazy!!1!”, guess who gets blamed?
>Leave it runnable only on Linux or Windows”
Fantastic idea. Also, ever tried distributing binaries and managing environment quirks across even just one OS version? Of course you haven’t.
>No further work needs to be done
Right, because totally unmaintained software with known exploits just works fine forever. Definitely no issues there. Definitely no legal risk. Definitely no bad press when someone spins up a server, injects malware, and it turns into your game’s problem.
>Nobody is asking for open-sourcing unless it’s a last resort
And yet, you’re still demanding handover of working server logic, clean enough for randos to run. So either it’s bundled into the game (and can be cracked), or it’s shipped separately and still vulnerable to reverse engineering.
>>714199696
>It used to be the standard 20 years ago
Yeah. And you also used to install drivers off floppy disks and get viruses from LimeWire. Standards evolve. Tools change. Expectations change. You wanna live in 2004? Boot up Quake 3 and cry into your Pepsi Blue you retarded dickhead.
You want what SKG is proposing like it’s a human right, but what you’re really asking is for broke devs to take extra hits on labor, risk, and support post-launch just to satisfy your fantasy of being a game archivist.

>>714206593
Ross is American

>>714206063
It makes the billion dollar corporation sad.

>>714206774
I hate publishers more

post thread themes https://youtu.be/UtXP2-5IC2E

>>714206713
>NOOOO YOU HAVE TO BE RACIST

>>714206765
>sub saharan africans are a culture
The absolute state of gaytors.

>>714206783
>let’s just nuke competitive integrity because you personally don’t care
Anyone who is actually serious about playing competitively is going to organise a tournament

>>714206751
The all-time daily high was 62k. Record soon?

>>714194015
It's kind of the CI's point that if you can get the 1m signatures they're forced to do something about it.

>>714200260
>you think it's possible for a product to stop being legally considered a video game just because it's a live service
If a company words their product like live service then by no means they would have the duty to provide end-of-life support and self hosting kits when they pull the plug.
Yes it's still a videogame but at no point in history was vidya legally defined as a product in a scale that matters, if a game can be marketed as a live service and bypass the whole SKG schtick then congratulations you just made the gaming scene worse.

Ohhh, how cute, zoomies's first petition. I'm sure it'll work out in the end.

>>714206713
If we go by skin color, whites are fucking apologist cucks, because you have to group together shit like californians, germans, brits and all that.
Discrimination by country and state works WAY better better than "let's sort by color".

>60 fucking k
We're winning in ways that I never thought possible

>>714206907
>Anyone who is actually serious about playing competitively is going to organise a tournament
And how are they going to do that when the servers have shut down?

>>714206819
How is he able to start a petition in the EU?

>>714205491
Remember how the EU got Apple to open up iOS to alternate storefronts and side-loading?
The Dutch are suing Sony PlayStation along a similar play, alluding to market monopoly abuse under the Digital Markets Act.
Tick-tock ...

>>714206427
>I did send it to all my eurobros though.
Based Ayyrab

>>714206580
Meant for
>>714206064

>>714198253
That has been done before, even got the votes, then was denied by parliament.

>>714206907
You misunderstand me every PvP implies some level of competitiveness, I'm not saying every indie game with a pvp multiplayer is some CSGO tier esports bonanza but at the same time everyone is expecting to be able to play in a lobby without script kiddies

>>714206958
hello burger

>>714201409
It use direct ID identification to register the signature, Most signature registered are good.

>>714199748
No, we love Russia.

>>714206959
Access to whites is not a human right.

>>714206920
We're at 61k now

>>714205635
Firstly, you're misunderstanding what the initiative is even asking for

That said,

>Devs cut corners on the solo mode, feels like a demo with the bare minimum of content
>Hobbyists and consumers have to pay a massive fee to IP/copyright holders in order to obtain a franchising license and hold their own servers

would still be improvements over the status quo

>>714206983
doremiposter on /v/ what the heck

>>714206753
They're the same shit.
In socialist countries they're literally the same shit.
Power has to be distributed by constant conflict between all the large bodies of people or shit does not work.

>>714205826
>vote bad actors out
>protest bad actors out
>revolt bad actors out
>threaten to campaign against bad actors out
truly the power of democracy knows no limits.

>>714207118
your rulers disagree
gonna cry on the internet about it?

>>714207170
Stop killing games, start eating steaki

>>714206753
>corporations will help you get a headstart because they know that competition is beneficial to everyone
Then why haven't they made games last forever on their own accord instead of requiring all this fucking effort? Maybe it is because they don't give a flying fuck about you or your rights and are never your friend if it makes their line go up? Maybe?

>>714207193
>the jews brought me here
I'm gonna post dead palestinians on /pol/ about it.

REMEMBER, JULY 2ND (that's tomorrow) BE AS LOUD AND ANNOYING ABOUT THIS INITIATIVE AS POSSIBLE
IT WORKS FOR LIBERALS SO IT WILL WORK WITH THIS

>>714206717
>the authorities
are you genuinely fucking retarded? The authorities are the same people arresting and putting people on trial for criticizing immigration while giving pakis slap on the wrist for making rape gangs.
You're seriously fucking naive if you think "m-muh authorities!" will give a fuck about your video game toys.
Besides, who's got lobbying power? You or a multi billion dollar buisiness?

>>714204756
>italy at 80%
They were at like 2% before, what happened?

>>714207356
no

>>714205145
>what is depression
do normalfags ever shut the fuck up about anything?

>>714207412
Well, do you?

>>714206875
https://youtu.be/QmY7Xwq-I2I

>>714206783
>setup instructions, port info, dependency lists, version compatibility notes
Nowadays it just needs one thing:
>docker compose up

>>714206542
>I took the exception so that must be the rule!
Thanks for proving my point that europoors have brains that could revolve inside a peanut shell for a thousand years without touching the sides.

Has there ever been a Euro initiative that's worked through this avenue? How many initiatives ever even got 1,000,000 signatures?

>>714207383
Fair.

>>714193652 (OP)
At this rate it should have 1 million signatures by the end of the week

>>714207392
The great whitening.

>>714204471
Why is Malta always lagging behind with those kind of initiative?

I know they haven't a lot of people and that in the grands scheme of thing it doesn't matter so much, but that doesn't mean they can't their own threshold.

Anyway, from all the countries that haven't reached their threshold yet, it's Italy that is still the biggest player, followed by Greece and the Czech Republic (Hungary is almost there)

>>714207519
>Its the exception because I say it is!

>>714203810
i hear and obey, mein fuhrerlinger. today we crush anti-nato AAAA shills, tomorrow we crust gaijin's russian bias!

>>714193652 (OP)
RIP THEIR PROFITS, BURN THEIR CHARTS
STAB THEM WITH THE FINES
PLAY THEIR GAMES
WHEN
THEY
DIE

HOST THEIR SERVERS. DROP THEIR LINES
HOST WHAT THEY NOW CANNOT SLAY

HOST
AND
PLAY

SERVERS AND CONNECTION
BELONG TO THOSE WHO PAY
MY DIVINE RIGHT:
HOST AND PLAY

HOST! HOST! HOST AND PLAY!

i can only imagine the blood sweat and tears from the workers that valve is forcing to continually support half life deathmatch
this movement is unethical

62K

>>714207631
https://stop-killing-games.keep-track.xyz/
https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home

>>714207683
I will now support the cause

>>714207392
You always join the war late when it's clear who's about to win, silly. Look what happened the one time when Italy didn't wait enough to have a clear picture.

>>714197614
The EU actually has a pretty good track record on defending consumer rights and it's not like they can really make this situation any worse, the worst thing I can see happening is that they do nothing

>>714206753
>corporations will help you get a headstart because they know that competition is beneficial to everyone
Is that why they're literally buying out every competitor to form massive megatrusts?
Or why they bribe politicians to give them tax breaks and fuck over foreign competitors?

>>714207147
Da--mn. The speed it's going up at is getting unreal.
I'm getting flashbacks to the 100% approval gauge I-win-button gimmick P5 had going against Yaldie.

>>714207008
>And how are they going to do that when the servers have shut down?
Simple: provide the games in a reasonably playable state.
>>714207018
He got some Slavs to register it.

750k before midnight in europe?

>>714207515
me if I had a double digit IQ

Does this have the potential to affect Japanese/Chinese games? Will all gacha games now require an end of life plan? What would that look like?

>>714198329
Confidentally talking about something you know nothing about!

>>714200040
Faggot got REKT!

all me btw

>>714207820
Very possible.

>>714207820
Guaranteed. There's still an hour and a half and we're gaining 3k entries an hour.

>>714205826
>Okay you faggots. Do you know why you shouldn't get the government involved? Well what happens if the next administration is completely anti-consumer and pro-corpo
Someone isn't used to the proportional system. The EU parliament can never go full single party.

>>714207856
Read the thread, noone is able to refute me because SKG is completely misguided on what they're trying to achieve.

>>714198329
>I didn't read the initiative

>>714207835
Only if they do business in the EU. For gacha shit they would probably just have to update the client to be able to play the game without connecting to servers

>>714205826
eu never screwed us over. they saved your beloved iphones from having shittier tier charging output.

>>714207740
Thanks

Can anyone tell me why there aren't way to do this in America? If we weren't able to this shit in the EU no one would even be still be able to refund digital games on pc.

>>714207835
If they want to operate in the EU, yes.
Not that it changes much, most gacha already have some sort of offline mode. Surprisingly, china has better consumer rights when it comes to gaymes than burgerland (who has no rights and actually attack anyone that tries to harm the billion dollar corpo).

>>714207969
I read the initiative it's literally like that, the legality will completely fuck over small indie devs.

Officially the most sigs in one day now, and there's still >1 hour to go.

the government wants to control me to hold power.
the corporation wants to literally consume me. they will kill me and then grow uncontrollably to the point where they eventually kill themselves. They're a cancer.

One is obviously worse for me than the other.

>>714207950
No no no im not here to refute what said because you're absolutely cooked already. I just like to reply with the truth.

Let's say I'm a dev and my MMO game is no longer sustainable, who is going to maintain an active server? A person with access to source code (since I can no longer have any involvement with it)? In that case, would customers need to connect to an unofficial server that can be tampered/modified, affecting my work and image? Would that unofficial thing be linked to real platforms like Steam?

I don't understand who runs the thing once the original dev leaves and who pays for it, and how the integrity of the work is preserved.

>>714205826
wow you posted meme discord rat girl cool cool

>>714207797
We're at 62k now

>>714208028
You're fucking retarded Valve was literally fucking over refunds on purpose in Europe until a guy sued them and the EU pretended to give a fuck by giving them a slap on the wrist.

>>714207838
A lot of Finns are terminally online and play vidya, it's not a big surprise

>Elon Musk retweeted the initiative
Why doesn't he just speak to Donald Trump to get this shit passed in America?

>>714206783
>let’s just nuke competitive integrity because you personally don’t care
Correct.
>God forbid people want a game that isn’t a playground for script kiddies and sociopaths.
I thought game devs are so lazy when it comes to cheating validations that they just use kernel-level anti-cheat. What's the problem here?
>Even basic server kits need setup instructions, port info, dependency lists, version compatibility notes, etc.
Yes, and? You already should have internal documentation. Are you telling me that a simple copy-paste requires months of work?
>ever tried distributing binaries and managing environment quirks across even just one OS version?
Yes. Just tell people what OS version and dependencies they need.
>Definitely no bad press when someone spins up a server, injects malware, and it turns into your game’s problem.
Who cares? It's abandonware.

>>714207928
that doesn't change anything tho
>>714207179
>doesn't know about controlled opposition

>>714208158
they broke up anon, it's over

HOLY

>>714206054
Lol, it already is.

It's incredible. I thought it would die down after a few days and we would mis the mark by 15 to 20%, but instead, after a week, the frequency of signatures has actually increased.

>>714208079
>you're cooked because uhhhh some people called you a kike amerigolem corpo shill
Kek if that's your standard for rebuttal then I'm sorry but you need to go back to kindergarten.

>OVER 1 in 200 finns signed this
BENIS :DDDDD

>>714207835
I'd be less optimistic about the gacha side of things because they can and probably will just skip EU. They're that scummy. Though I would think that if that does happen other gacha companies will scramble to win over that market eventually because like it or not, there's money to be made.

>>714207928
it will go to parliament only if the commission adds it to the agenda, it won't cause it fucks over the biggest french publisher too, ubisoft
so a france veto is expected

>>714208028
They sold their foreskin to their jewish corpo overlords in exchange for corn syrup and diabetes. They have no rights.

>>714208158
They broke up. I wonder who will have to pay alimony to the other one.

Anyone who is against SKG is either an industry plant or simply a contrarian. There is no legitimate, reasonable reason to be against it.

how does netherlands have just as much signatures as italy despite italy being a bajillion times bigger

>>714208158
>WE SHOULD GET TRUMP TO TWEET ABOUT STOP KILLING GAMES
sargoy pls

>>714208235
Dog bless you glorious fuckers

>>714208028
America is a large subsidiary to corporations, that's why.
You can try when your government actually cares for it's people, but that's unlikely.

>>714208083
Why don't you try looking at custom/dedicated user servers for the thousands of games out there already? It's been a thing for 30 years.

>>714208224
I can refer you to some videos that are easy to understand in case you wanna learn the truth.

>>714208083
>the integrity of the work
literally irrelevant you've dropped support
>but my image
anyone who thinks a modded work is representative of the original artist is a retard, next
>would it be linked to an official platform like steam
probably not and if it does end up on GoG it would be noted as modded

>>714208171
>urrgghhh dude just let this abandonware (that isnt really abandoned because I'm forcing everyone even indie devs to comply to my horseshit) chill out broooo who cares if the keeping the servers alive through documentation that no indie dev will go through isn't even gonna be worth it cause it's gonna be either dead or filled with hackers!
You have the brain the size of an ameba I'm genuinely sorry for you.

>>714207527
There are or have been 119 initiatives total.
Of those 10 were verified to have succesfully met the requisite thresholds of signatories.
3 are currently pending verification, and 1 is pending an answer.

The 10 that have been answered have had 9 result in new legislation being drafted and entered into force.
The one exception of the 10 was settled with existing legislation already being suitable, and instead an effort on improving enforcement of said existing legislation being required.

Is there any Tiktok coverage? The reason Eastern Europe is so far behind is that people spend most of their online time on Tiktok.

>>714208280
italians don't browse anglo internet and refuse to learn english in general
the dutch being giga cucks speak better english than dutch and live in the anglo internet

So, what happens if we hit 1 million signatures but there are multiple countries who haven't hit their quotas? Does it just get thrown out?

>>714208360
>j-just watch this video of retards that don't know what they're talking about!
L
M
A
O
I'm really sorry for how retarded you are

>>714207356
Yeah I'm sure all out friends over at pol will make sensible posts and not something like
>#stopkillinggames, also NIGGER HEIL HITLER
or
>Those shifty fucking oven-dodging, hook-nosed filthy kike rats should #stopkillinggames

>>714208158
I genuinely feel for the person who thinks that the right is on their side for something like this.
Granted, people like Elon and Trump largely just want to be adored, but Trump has directly yelled at the EU about consumer protections "targeting american corporations" before and that is LITERALLY the goal here.

>>714208438
>but there are multiple countries who haven't hit their quotas? Does it just get thrown out?
Yep. Luckily, we've already hit the country quota.

>>714194189
>Oh, you just spent six gorillion Euros on a new power station/railway/airport/whatever and it runs on a specific piece of software? Too bad, we're shutting down the servers. Better cough up for some new equipment, chud!

>>714208438
We only need 7 countries to hit the quota. We're good. Might need to go a bit over 1M to be safe in case some signatures are invalidated.

>>714208438
nothing happens in general
lol

>>714208438
No, only 7 countries had to hit their quota.

>>714208028
>Can anyone tell me why there aren't way to do this in America?
there is, it's called "calling your congress representative", /k/ is litterally doing this over the new NFA bill and nobody seems to realize you can do that for almost everything.

>>714208469
Nobody is buying your act try selling something else.

>>714208083
You patch the game to leave it in a playable state.
What exactly qualifies as "playable state" is still gonna be debated after this passes but there are many ways you could go about it. Releasing the source code is one of them but you could also patch the game so that it works offline without multiplayer or you could release the server binaries and just let the community handle the rest. I'm sure if you set your mind at it you can come with some other ways to fulfil this requirement.

>>714208438
you only need 7 countries to hit their quotas

>>714193652 (OP)
Before our very eyes, anons, good is triumphing over evil.

>>714208554
I really hope this motion gets through so you europeans won't be in any indie multiplayer lobbies since indie devs just won't bother with Europe after that LMFAO

>>714208103
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvuHvXsZPrk

>>714206783
>That’s not how reality works, my sweet summer dumbfuck. Even basic server kits need setup instructions, port info, dependency lists, version compatibility notes, etc. And when some dildo runs it wrong and screams “devs lazy!!1!”, guess who gets blamed?
Use docker; retard
>Fantastic idea. Also, ever tried distributing binaries and managing environment quirks across even just one OS version? Of course you haven’t.
Doom did it without issue
>Right, because totally unmaintained software with known exploits just works fine forever. Definitely no issues there. Definitely no legal risk. Definitely no bad press when someone spins up a server, injects malware, and it turns into your game’s problem.
How about a big stamp on the server that says "RUN AT YOUR OWN RISK" just like any other abandonware. Windows doesn't get shit when people install XP and connect it to the internet
>And yet, you’re still demanding handover of working server logic, clean enough for randos to run. So either it’s bundled into the game (and can be cracked), or it’s shipped separately and still vulnerable to reverse engineering.
NTA but who fucking cares about reverse engineering? You're honestly worried about someone tinkering with a binary that is left out of your hands and are not legally responsible to maintain or patch? In all instances of games that are still functional because of fans after shutdown, they were only possible because of reverse engineering.
>You want what SKG is proposing like it’s a human right, but what you’re really asking is for broke devs to take extra hits on labor, risk, and support post-launch just to satisfy your fantasy of being a game archivist.
Even the live service game Thor supports supports this. Ever heard of dependency injection? Do you know a single fucking design pattern?

>>714193652 (OP)
Where did today's boost come from? It was only around 20k daily yesterday and beginning to slow down.

>>714207527
I think around 10 out of the 100

>>714208083
It's up to the dev to decide how to leave the game in a playable state. You don't need to release the code if you don't want to. You could just release a minimal server binary (if using a language that compiles) and as long as it works when self-hosting you're in the clear. Alternatively, you could make a reasonably detailed documentation to explain how to build your own server and make it work.
>who pays for it
Whoever is hosting the service. Or if the player is hosting a service for themselves, it's free assuming it can run on end-user hardware.
>affecting my work and image?
This is completely irrelevant. You're officially no longer working on that specific game nor are you associated with it. Do you think Naughty Dog cares about Crash Team Racing mods which make Hitler and Stalin playable characters?

In any case, if your game was free to play or if it was a subscription service like WoW, you don't need to do anything at all. You're free to permanently make it unplayable.

>>714203446
Is it meant to be ironic? Yes, I actually like that I can rejects all of the cookies at once.

Why wouldn't you like that?

>>714208083
There are many options, one of which is creating dedicated server software where no access to the source code is needed.
Companies are not being forced to do anything but ensure any one possibility that allows customers to play the game they paid for after the servers have shut down.

>>714208502
>and that is LITERALLY the goal here.
Maybe american corporations should stop with their scummy business practices then?

>>714208684
>jacksepticeye
>pewdiepie
>elon musk retweet
have all mentioned it

>>714208684
multiple YT videos coming out
more YTbers are jumping on the train

>>714208280
Netherlands is white.

>>714205145
>14 years later this post now describes an obscene display of wealth no one is capable of

>>714208684
See >>714203949 and >>714203969

>>714208626
I take this as your concession tho.

>>714208158
Trump would be adamantly against this. Planned obsolescence is extremely profitable and Trump is very pro-corporations.

>>714208684
It came from various youtubers making more videos on it.

>>714199748
That was America's job before Russia managed to re-install their puppet.

>>714207928
I wish we had something like this in america, or even a voting system that encourages it like Ranked Choice voting but Republicans are now going out of their way to ban it in states they control. Shows how fucked things are here.

>>714208158
If you want to kill the initiative, get trump involved, he'll hijack it to make it all about himself like how he cost the conservatives in Canada a slam dunk victory for the election.

>>714208718
American corporations would employ ALEC to pass legislation that would specifically ban what SKG's is trying to do.

>>714208280
Dutchies hate their own country and pretty much live entirely on US-based media.

>>714206427
Somehow did much better than pastaniggers, good on you anon.

>>714208382
Jesus fuck you're retarded.

>>714208280
Meme language therefore powerful in memetic warfare
See also: Finnish

>>714208802
It's actually insane how little freedom people have left. Yet no one seems to care.
A true boiling frogs moment.

>>714208235
Remember that capita includes children and old people with dementia. It's likely 1 in 150 adults, maybe 1 in 100.

>>714208438
>what happens if we hit 1 million signature
preferrably we hit way more than 1 million, 2 million would be great

>>714208626
Anon, a huge pool of indies are EU slav-jank...

>>714208240
>it will go to parliament only if the commission adds it to the agenda
The whole point of this petition is precisely that once it get enough signature, it's legally binding to bring it to the parliament, regardless ow hat the commission want.

What's gonna happen first, Finland hits 300% or Hungary hits 100%?

>>714208510
>>714208527
>>714208539
>>714208565
Oh that's good, I thought it was going to be retarded and require all countries to hit it

>>714208349
>custom/dedicated user servers
Those are not connected to the usual platforms customers use, gotta go find them, and there are multiple hosts with multiple versions of the game. Who will have the authority to claim they are the "real" one paying customers connect to once the dev left?

>>714209009
It probably won't even hit 1.1 mil if it passes 1 mil because people will think it's done so there's no more need to push it or sign it

>>714209102
>Who will have the authority to claim they are the "real" one paying customers connect to once the dev left?
What about "user server" do you not understand?
Are you just being obtuse on purpose or are you just some dumb fucking zoomer retard?

>>714209142
>there has never been high turnout on anything, ever

>>714209102
>Those are not connected to the usual platforms customers use, gotta go find them, and there are multiple hosts with multiple versions of the game.
Yes, and? That's all that needs to happen.
>Who will have the authority to claim they are the "real" one paying customers connect to once the dev left?
No one.

>>714208624
the battle is not over just yet, be vigilant
>>714208718
Well back in the day we had LAN, dedicated servers and PTP. I remember playing Diablo II with a friend by linking directly to his IP or something like that.

>>714209142
I think it'll be like Kickstarter logic where people support it even harder when it does get close to or hits the threshold. Definitely not 2 mil but I think 1.1 mill is not out of the question.

>>714208280
The Netherlands is terminally online.
Also, they are one of the key players in worldwide politics - punching ridiculously high above their grade, which reflects on the Dutch population in general being incredibly geopolitically aware and more than willing to e.g. fuck over US big tech in favor of improving consumer rights. Actually; consumer rights are something the Dutch are insanely protective of in general. It's iirc the ONLY EU member state that holds traders INDEFINITELY liable for defects to products they sell to consumers.

>>714208692
>Do you think Naughty Dog cares about Crash Team Racing mods which make Hitler and Stalin playable characters?
They would care if that game has to stay on the launcher so that paying customers can play it in the future.

>>714209102
The petition isn't asking for an authority though I'm sure some hosting service like gtxgaming or any other would gladly take that title.

>>714208185
>that doesn't change anything tho
It does because a completely anti-consumer and pro-corpo party can't get the full majority on their own.

>>doesn't know about controlled opposition
It might surprise you, but unlike Burgerland, party leaders are directly by basic party member, no super-delegate bullshit or a chairman picked by private donors.

>64K
We're hitting 75% today, fellas.

>>714209102
Nobody is the "real" server. Players would naturally consolidate under a handful of servers which provide the best experience.

>>714208680
>Use Docker, retard.
Wow. You just Dockerized away technical complexity with one sentence. Magical. Except you still have to:
>Write a proper Dockerfile
>Manage images for each update
>Document environment variables
>Deal with the fact that most end users don't know what the fuck Docker even is
And oh yeah, hope the game wasn’t built with hardcoded paths, legacy dependencies, or fragile build scripts, which half of indie games are because the dev team is one guy and a raccoon in a basement.
Docker isn’t a “make this idiot-proof” button, it’s just a container. If the software’s a mess, now you’ve just packaged a mess.
>Doom did it without issue.
Yeah, in 1993, with like 500 KB of assets and a codebase that fits on a napkin. You’re comparing Doom to modern server authoritative, state synced, event driven architecture with account services and encryption layers. it's like saying "ummm b-b-b-but horses never broke down, why don't we just use horses again?"
>Just put a big ‘run at your own risk’ stamp on it.
When someone runs your ancient server binary, gets their machine botted, and the headlines say “X indie dev releases malware vector!!!!” you think anyone’s gonna go “Oh but it had a warning”? You still get shat on.
>who fucking cares about reverse engineering?
You clearly don’t, because you’ve never shipped anything commercia. If you release a working server binary and someone reverse engineers it to run a modified, monetized version with your art, your name, and your janky legacy netcode, guess who deals with the DMCA shitstorm, brand damage, and idiot users getting tricked? Reverse engineering isn't a problem for fans. It's a problem for devs. Especially ones still making other games.

Look, You're not wrong to want self-hosting kits, Docker images, and preservation paths. You’re just wrong to act like they're trivial, cost-free, or owed.
There's a huge difference between asking indie devs to do that and forcing them through the fucking law.

It makes sense why Yuropoors sit on this site and bitch about America all day, it's because you have to band together for stupid shit like this. Hope it doesn't pass. Fuck you stupid ass retards.

>>714209526
Even if all you lardasses banded together for this, you would still have no rights.

>>714209142
By the rate its been going now it will finish in a week or 2 more
Plenty of time for online sheep herders to remind normies that this is not the end and more votes are still needed, which will have plenty of time to accumulate over the rest of the month.

So far things are looking very good. Keep faith and laugh at shills realizing they're fucked.

>>714198087
I fucking hate how much of /v/ is just newfags coming from twitch.

>>714208638
https://youtu.be/lGf2b1H91JA

>>714209526
How's it feel knowing your lord emperor is getting impeached before his first year in power finishes?

>>714208684
it got sticked on the gaming reddit with 47 million subscribers

>>714209102
>Who will have the authority to claim they are the "real" one paying customers connect to once the dev left?
Fucking hell this statement reveals so much about the way you pathetic faggots think.
>"How can I enjoy my game if I don't have a corpo overlord reassuring me that I'm playing it the RIGHT way?"
This is some advanced cuck shit man, absolutely fucking demoralized and happy owning nothing, jesus christ.

>>714209497
>There's a huge difference between asking indie devs to do that and forcing them through the fucking law.
Do you seriously think indie devs even know what Docker is? Do you think they have anything more than just a simple server which they can run on an average machine?

>>714209627
>>714209686
Seething yurocucks

>>714207519
I am not european you retarded nigger. You know very well that making a private server ain't that hard.

>>714205635
>muh IP
Fuck off

TOTAL SERVER MIDDLEWARE DEATH
THIS SHIT HAS RUINED VIDYA
RETVRN TO TRADITION

>>714197735
It's the alcoholism

>>714209737
What are you doing here? You should be dying for israel migabro

>>714208240
The EU Commission already adopted parts of it in their recent guidance document on how the existing consumer rights legislation applies to the purchase of virtual currency or digital content. Said guidance documents contains 7 core principles, one of which is dedicated to the banning of terms of service that give publishers the unilateral right to unfairly take away access to purchased digital content or otherwise make it cease to function.

I don't get what is this thing or what it does for me, is this just an e-celeb thread?

>>714209873
TRADITION DIED LONG AGO
ITS TIME FOR SOMETHING NEW

>>714205695
plastic bottles are now forced to have attached caps in EU, to prevent them becoming lost in nature

>>714209526
*votes for God Emperor's third term to "deregulate" the amount of sewage allowed in water*

CAN WE GET MUCH HIGHER

75%
>75%
75%
>75%
75%
>75%
75%
>75%
75%
>75%
75%
>75%
75%
>75%
75%
>75%
75%
>75%
75%
>75%
75%
>75%
75%
>75%

>750k
At this rate 1 million will be hit this week.

>>714209709
Exactly but SPK wants to write into law that it's fucking illegal to not do that?
If it gets through indie games will just region block Europe so they don't have to deal with that law made by good intentioned fuckwits that don't know shit about netcode or law.
And AAA games? They're just gonna say their product is a live service so congratulations the petition served no purpose but speed up the live servicifaction of AAA vidya while scaring away every single indie dev that gives a shit about a fun online experience

>>714209526
The most pathetic part is that it was an American that even got them to do this in the first place

>>714210027
>46% to 75% in a week
Holy shit.

HOLY SHIT SOMETHING IS HAPPENING

It's losing momentum.
Just give up now and let it go.

>>714209934
It lets you play your games.
The e-celeb shit is just window dressing to get the npcs to vote.

>>714205826
>tranime
discarded

>>714209204
> The image placed next to the dictionary definition of "course correction"

>>714209934
Welcome, retard! Stop Killing Games is a movement that is trying to make the EU rule on whether companies should be forced to provide an end-of-service plan to online-only games.
Game companies can currently pull the plug on their servers at any time, literally making you lose what you paid for.

>>714199210
Hello Thor

>>714209934
>what it does for me

You could effectively own full rights of what you buy. Thing that today is in a grey area when you buy software.

>>714210121
This. Don't sign it's not worth it...

>>714210062
>>714210054
>>714210031
>>714210027
This is great, but what really shocked me is the UK initiative has almost caught up with the EU one proportionally: It's about to cross it's 70% milestone

LET'S
FUCKING
GOOOOOOOOOOOO

So what will happen to f2p games? does it need to be playable offline since you technically don't buy them?

>>714210213
If you can't come up with any arguments against my very valid concerns you should probably go back to sucking milk from your mum's tit.

>>714205826
>"guys if you do this then the government is going to go ahead and do exactly what it has been doing for the past several decades"

>>714210258
Jacksepticeye probably has a lot to do with that, ton of bong viewers

>>714194015
why are you guys so fucking afraid of this?

>>714209497
>You’re comparing Doom to modern server authoritative, state synced, event driven architecture with account services and encryption layers.
Minus the account services, you're describing Quake.
Quake ONE. The original one.

>>714210178
>literally making you lose what you paid for
I wonder if this will set a precedent to get rid of kernel-level anticheat. Apex Legends used to run on Linux and even had a specific steam_deck branch branch on the Steam backend, but then they implemented a new anticheat system that broke Linux support. I reckon Linux users who paid for microtransactions whilst the steam_deck branch existed are entitled to a refund.

>>714210319
microtransactions open 'em up to scrutiny

>>714210319
Good question, but outside of the scope of this movement.
My personal opinion is that if you're dumb enough to pay for microtransactions, your money should be stolen.

>>714209497
>Wow. You just Dockerized away technical complexity with one sentence. Magical. Except you still have to:
Do a bunch of shit you should have done to make running your dogshit server viable for any other developer your trog.
You seriously think it's economical to expect a new dev to spend 2 weeks setting up your tangled mess of dependencies?
>Deal with the fact that most end users don't know what the fuck Docker even is
1. Not your problem as you complied with the law
2. These are the same people pulling out IDA and packet sniffing to reverse engineer an MMO. I think they can handle a 20 line yaml file, retard
>You’re comparing Doom to modern server authoritative, state synced, event driven architecture with account services and encryption layers
None of what you mentioned requires any OS level hacks unless you've done something seriously wrong. Most modern platforms make it fucking trivial for you to shit out binaries for most OS. This is all still a hypothetical that the EU would consider "install linux" to be "unreasonable" too so it's fucking moot regardless.
>“X indie dev releases malware vector!!!!”
Windows XP killed my machine in 2025 someone shoot bill gates
> If you release a working server binary and someone reverse engineers it to run a modified, monetized version with your art, your name, and your janky legacy netcode, guess who deals with the DMCA shitstorm, brand damage, and idiot users getting tricked?
Cool fucking head cannon. Name a single time that happened.

>Look, You're not wrong to want self-hosting kits, Docker images, and preservation paths. You’re just wrong to act like they're trivial, cost-free, or owed.
They are though if you develop that way from the start. You're acting as if virtual environments are an absolute fucking impossibility. The industry has always considered this to be reasonable since uncle fucking bob

>>714210319
F2P and subscription games are exempt
Most F2P do include a paid element however, and that is not, so they'll likely fall under it regardless

LIVE PIRATE REACTION?

>>714210078
>Exactly but SPK wants to write into law that it's fucking illegal to not do that?
No? If you're charging for a game as a service (monthly/annual sub fee) or if the game is free to play you don't need to do anything.
>inb4 indie single purchase game
I'm completely fine with slop being a less viable product just like I'm completely fine with a drug addict not being allowed to build my house by ignoring any and all safety regulations.
This is a self inflicted problem at that point. Almost no indie dev makes games which have always-online DRM or which are non-trivial to self host. I'm not going to cry about a handful of retards who do.

>>714210319
depends on if you spend money at all on it, i.e. in-game cosmetics, etc. if the game is free from the ground up, then nothing is lost financially on the consumer if it dies. hopefully what this will do is kill off shitty f2p games so that when you buy a game you can have it forever

>>714193652 (OP)
>that picture of the controller decaying
Wtf Shigaraki I thought you liked vidya

>>714210178
>muh movement
You zoomers fags are so deprived of purpose you need to join some pathetic e-celeb crusade because you have nothing else. It's so sad.

>>714193652 (OP)
>Reaches 100%
>They remove fraudulent votes
>90%

I wanted to post the "fps of olde, fps of now" picture where you had the old comfy dedicated server stuff on one side and the matchmaking faggotry on the other.

>>714210258
Yeah I didn't think the UK was going to do it but it looks like it will. The government is still probably going to do fuck all but at least people signed it.

>>714210591
And yet we will achieve more than you ever have.

>>714209102
>Who will have the authority to claim they are the "real" one paying customers connect to once the dev left?
Why would there have to be only one?

>>714210458
>Not your problem as you complied with the law
Exactly, hence why indie devs will buttfuck outta Europe and leave you gameless except with shitty live service AAA bullshit

>>714210660
Keep telling yourself that faggot

>>714210624
At the rate we're going and with the pewdiepie video on the way, we'll be hitting 150%

>>714210027
>>714210054
>>714210101
>>714210265
>>714210445
WE'RE SO BACK

>>714210728
>abandoning half the world

>>714210508
I genuinely hope so
In all this darkness, can at least some light be cast upon us?

>>714210591
1/10 ragebait, you shills don't even try

>>714210745
I don't have to. I just have to look at pic related.

you faggots are so delulu
this is ain't going anywhere but the bin
looooooooooooool

Let's go Eurochads.

>>714208028
The difference is hat citizen initiative to propose legislations via petition is build in the EU constitution, so it's actually legally binding for such petition to pass for a vote on the EU parliament if it met certain threshold requirements (amount of signature and enough EU countries individualy getting enough signatures).

The US hasn't such system, so they can theoretically ignore any petition no matter how many sing them.

So you are stuck to pestering your representative on the phone instead.

>>714207383
>Besides, who's got lobbying power? You or a multi billion dollar buisiness?
If all SKG ever amounted to was that big publishers like Activision or EA had to spend money lobbying for the preservation of the market's current status quo (rather than attempting to make things outright worse), then I'd consider that something, at least.

>>714194392
>>714194661
What ib is that?

>>714199210
>What are docker containers?

>>714210660
I'm convinced this is the reason so many faggots are against, they hate the idea of realizing that they aren't helpless and that good things can come if you work for them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_5yt5IX38I

don't listen to shills eurofags, im rooting for you

>>714210830
thanks ubisoft but i still voted

>the shill is still trying to insist THE GUBBERMINT will destroy vidya because of one piece of EU legislation around releasing server side software code when a game is finished with
Lol.
Lmao.

>>714210079
>>714210178
So it like, makes all gacha games and MMOs run forever or until they release and offline version? That's retarded.
>>714210220
I'm a piratechad I already own all my games.

>>714210817
Wow a map of the concentration of losers in Europe, amazing

>>714194392
kek he always acts like this when he feels the heat. he 100% is OK with people posting CP here.

>>714210874
Yes, pol cucks rely on the narrative that Jews are le super unstoppable gods that must be kneeled to and defeated by worshipping them but also not worshipping them and praising the guy that didn’t actually kill them becuase the holocaust never happened (but if it did Hitler was based)

>>714210936
it doesn't go far enough if its only about servers
old games should be made available you shouldn't be able to just sit on an 'IP'

>>714193652 (OP)
I can only hope we can reach enough people. I did my part.

Waiting for the gold border for finns.

>>714210468
This. It's fun to watch good win over evil but I want to see evil crying and shitting its pants too.

>>714210327
Your very valid concerns are the same exact non-arguments he makes and are so far from reality that they aren't even worth engaging with.
Take your concern trolling somewhere else

>>714210849
leto's bootleg 4chan

>>714198329
thats a good thing? for too long have company pretended to be both a game and a live service and its bullshit

you used to be able to own games, just call them what they are...and then they will fall into all the regulations already in place for live services.

>>714210976
>So it like, makes all gacha games and MMOs run forever or until they release and offline version?
Not at all, retard! Game companies are allowed to decide for themselves how they wish to ensure that the game they are selling can be played after they pull the plug on their servers.
Whether it is by releasing dedicated server software, the source code; anything will do!

>>714206875
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbO3p7_Mf30

>>714210976
MMOs are subscriptions and when's the last time (You) bought a gacha as a product.

>>714209497
Also
>There's a huge difference between asking indie devs to do that and forcing them through the fucking law.
Ever fucking heard of GDPR? The right to be forgotten? Did you clutch your pearls when ever website had to feature an option to "reject all cookies"?

Anti-consumer protections in SaSS is a long time coming. Between privacy, child safety, misinfo, and tracking, developers of all kinds will face some sort of regulation. They're part of an industry like any other.
You can't force phones to choose your search engine as the default. You can't prevent your users from visiting stream heavy sites because they take a significant load on your network. And you cannot take away something someone paid for.

>>714210785
Europeans are barely a market that matters anymore, kek.
Your continent is fated to fall into obscurity as America keeps its edge and China closes in.

>>714210976
>That's retarded.
No its not. Why are you defending them?

>>714211170
You clearly don't know what you're talking about you fucking retard read my post again.

>>714193652 (OP)
>75%
WE ARE
FUCKING
MAKING IT

ANY OTHER OUTCOME CAN GO STRAIGHT INTO TRASH.
https://youtu.be/PxlDjXbwPag?si=-xEfaAlrCac7iTIr

>>714211118
>Hopes And Dreams
Yes, yes, very nice, very good...
HOWEVER!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DstO9slC_5U

>>714211037
/pol/'s jew narrative requires you to believe they're both 400iq geniuses controlling everything and 60iq retards at the same time

Binland hit 300% :DDDDD
You glorious motherfuggers :DDDDDDD

>>714211183
a market larger than the USA doesn't matter? are you retarded?

>>714211009
The joint citizens of the EU accept your concession, mrs. shill.

>>714211076
They did it.
And Hungary proved itself a white nation.

>>714211183
>as America keeps its edge

>>714211183
Iran will have nukes soon and Tel Aviv will burn kike

>>714211285
I really should visit finland one of these days...

>>714211183
good luck surviving off of only americans and ESLs

>>714211285
ebin xDDD

>>714193652 (OP)
>75%
WE ARE
FUCKING
MAKING IT

ANY OTHER OUTCOME CAN GO STRAIGHT INTO TRASH, FUCK OFF AND DIE.
https://youtu.be/5IHxgxq1n3g?si=y_t7FvzZzFyUhV43

>>714211261
No, he is right. You are full of shit.

>>714211131
You can pay for both of them if you want, technically you purchased something within the game, so they should be enforced too.
>>714211201
Because you are a gacha addicted retard and deserve to lose your money when EoS hits.


I'm not gonna sugar coat it /v/ I think you are all drones following your e-celeb like a good little sheep herd.

>>714211183
>as America keeps its edge

>>714211285
fuuuuuggggggggggggg :-DDDDDDDDDDDD

>>714211293
>EU
>market larger than US
Are you high right now?

>>714207008
LOCALLY YOU INTENTIONALLY OBTUSE FUCK

>>714211331
>shill
What am I even supposed to be shilling? I just think you guys are pathetic for patching onto a fucking VIDEOGAMES petition and acting as if you're making some big difference in the world.

>>714211183
>pedos and changs are the main opponents of this petition
kek

>>714211469
So now you want all online games to have a local mode? Talk about moving the goalpost.

>>714211265
https://youtu.be/olZt4AZmW1Q

>>714211261
Oh I don't? Please fucking show a retard like me just exactly where I got wrong.
I quoted you directly. Software has already been regulated. Small businesses have managed just fucking fine.

>>714199210
>It’s vulnerable to cheating, NAT fuckery, sync issues, and security holes you really don’t want in your game.
Something that happens today under "the protection" and inside the infrastructure of authorized providers. Pic related.

>self-hosting
>building a clean server binary, documenting it, making it runnable on various OSes
Can be done and is not an extremely unachievable demand. Software providers do it all the time.

>updating it when exploits are found
Not necessary. Software delivered under licenses such as GPL, BSD or Apache are clear in what to expect from the provider.

>"this software is provided by the copyright holders and contributors “as is” [...] IN NO EVENT SHALL THE COPYRIGHT HOLDER OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE for any direct, indirect, incidental, special, exemplary, or consequential damages"

Have you ever wondered how Open Source software providers make money taking into account they give software for free or they don't suffer legal consequences for doing so? They have clear rules. They also have End of Life schedules for their products, and with the release of community version they are explicit in being free for the consequences of any damage the library use can provoke, because the operational risk is in the hands of the customer once they consume the software.

What is done in this cases is that the support and patch releases are defined to be delivered for a well established time frame. A correctly defined user license helps to protect the provider and gives clear rules to the customer.

That is the most important part of SKG. The possibility of making clear rules of use and consumption with a strong emphasis in people's right to ownership.

>>714211441
>Because you are a gacha addicted retard and deserve to lose your money when EoS hits.
So your argument for letting companies make gacha after gacha after gacha while shutting down the previous one so everyone is forced to move on to the next one (Granblue devs do this) is because...people are addicted to gacha and deserve to lose money?

This is the hill you want to die on? This is why you bootlick Mihoyo?

>>714211480
>What am I even supposed to be shilling?
Video Game corporations that fuck over consumers.

>66k in one day
Pack it up shills, we already won

>>714206875
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsuJZx24V_A

> Right before your eyes
> Watch us multiply
> Come to claim our rights - it's time
>
> As our power grows
> Tryin' to stop us shows
> You might as well go try and stop time

It's uncanny how well the lyrics match the recent signature rates' course correction, really.

>>714211460
are you? The us market is going down the toilet. Your country has nothing. No products, no skilled laborers to make it. Just porn and drama addicted hedonistic losers

>>714211630
I'm just an Anon who thinks you're a fag lmao

>>714211480
Wow you come to /v/ - Video Games to say that video games are unimportant? You must have a really huge cock, bro.

>>714209405
Netherland is the entrypoint in EU of all bullshit american corpos.

>>714204583
based

t. Ahmed

>>714211679
I am not even the same anon.

>>714211685
Correct. This is because we are honorary Jews.

>>714210591
Why are you painting this as a e-celeb thing?:
Should I stop drinking milk because some e-faggot is trying to "crusade" a campaign trying to get people to drink more milk?

WOOOAAAAAA
WE'RE THREE QUARTERS THEEEEERE
WOOOAAAAAA
LIVIN ON A PRAYER

>>714211731
I still think you're a fag for hanging out in this thread buddy
>>714211681
Videogames are literally a children's toy you retard

>>714211651
https://youtu.be/rOmD2CQGgt4

>>714211780
because this board was fucking silent for months on this issue and """suddenly""" there are regular threads after some e-celebs join in. They aren't your real friends little bro.

>>714210728
>Exactly, hence why indie devs will buttfuck outta Europe and leave you gameless except with shitty live service AAA bullshit
>Needing to follow one simple design pattern likely with frameworks, tutorials, and hardly any enforcement if your game sells below some threshold
Sure buddy. Listen you keep chaining those if statements and building your localization in a 2d array. I'm sure you're gonna hit it big and everyone will feel bad once they see how much work you have to do to comply with the law.
If this is such a problem for you, the shotgun was aimed at your toes from the start.