Thread 714270980

>82%
CAN'T STOP WINNING

>>714270980 (OP)
jannies seething about video game discussion

>>714270980 (OP)
Realistically, what is going to happen.

Thanks pewds & jack

Fuck corpos and fuck jannies Ahmadulilah.

>>714270980 (OP)
>thread got deleted just as i was about to tell that faggot that i'm ok with playing only Eurojank games
That's what i've been playing for the past 15 years anyways.

>>714270980 (OP)
So what actually happens next, does Ross do a little blow by blow debate in a parliament somewhere until some fat old fucks come to an agreement?

>>714270980 (OP)
holy shit

>>714270980 (OP)
IT'S COMING HOME
IT'S COMING HOME

>>714270980 (OP)
I saw a mainstream media article about this in Binland. We'll get there, lads :)

>every major gaming channel is covering it
>every major gaming site and news outlet is covering it
>overheard my local radio briefly mentioning it
>800.000 and almost a entire month to spare
>all because thor couldnt keep his mouth shut
WHY CONTAIN IT

if jannies delete this thread too I'm quitting 4channers for real

>>714271126
CMON NGUBU

>>714270980 (OP)
When this initiative fails, will I get a refund?

>>714271051
some law will be created
i imagine it will be some kind of compromise that will mitigate the issue, with future games purchased as goods receiving the benefits of an end of life plan, while subscription services will keep stealing money from whales

>>714271126
I did my part

>>714271107
I think that lawyers and actual representatives of the EU parliament are already involved. Ross just started the idea but he is not European. I also wonder if this will get expanded beyond videogames and also affects shit like Adobe.

>>714270980 (OP)
>promoted on Gelbooru

>>714270980 (OP)
Keep em' coming!

>>714271049
>video game discussion
Talking about e-celeb faggots isn't video game discussion, fuck off SKGjeet.

>>714271127
Very based.

>>714270980 (OP)
Enjoy having the EU breathing in the necks of every mayor gaming corporation I guess?

THANK YOU ROSS
THANK YOU PEWDS
AND THANK YOU PIRATE SOFTWARE

>>714270980 (OP)
What are some games that anons here care for that could benefit from this movement?

>>714270980 (OP)
>"stop killing games"
>creates more reasons for devs to not pursue game development
profit
?

>>714271239
good lad

>>714271091
is Arx fatalis still worth playing?

>>714270980 (OP)
Jannies can lick my anus stop pro gamer deleting thread on video game board.

90% by tomorrow?

>>714271298
Ass Creed 4 Black Fag still has functioning multiplayer and I rather enjoy it.

>>714271242
IIRC, Ross specifically did not want to target SAAS because of their scale and ability to just bribe governments.

>>714270980 (OP)
Someone explain this one to me.
For several months there was fuck all. It just halted. I seriously doubt the nepobaby was responsible for that. Are people paying others to vote? What's going on here?

>>714271361
100% by today
Finns going to reach 110% of their capita somehow

Yes, well done gamers, well done.
However, one phone call to Tel Aviv and this whole charade ends.

Will we get 100k signatures toady?

How does it feel fellow EuroGODS?!??!!

>>714271342
ye

>>714271417
Ross doing what he does on /v/. Bots.

>>714271260
kiwifarms too.
and pewdiepie and elon musk
crazy times we live in

>>714271091
This will actually be hilarious if EU videogame devs and publishers are left alone to dominate the EU gaming market. But there is no way EA is pulling out of Europe since that's the place where they sell the most FIFA. SONY will also comply since Europe buy a lot more playstations than any other console.

>>714271361
by this evening

THE MOLD WILL PREVAIL
THE SPORES WILL WIN

>>714271196
don't kist quit it, doxx more jannies on the way out please, last time it clearly wasn't enough

>Our justice system is so corrupt we had to lobby europe to save vidya
Grim

>>714270980 (OP)
Keep on keeping on.

>>714271342
Yes. Games with sovl are eternal.

>>714271449
PewDiePie made a community post about it
MoistCritikal made 3 videos about it
Jacksepticeye made a video about it
Drama Youtubers are covering it because Ross decided to stop holding back and call out PirateSoftware for being a corpo bootlicker and egomaniac
The Finns awoke.

>>714271417
>Are people paying others to vote?
In this economy?

>>714271417
we've got a bunch of big e-celebs talking about it and supporting it, therefore the signatures are rolling in

>>714271550
Doesn't mean anything.

NO YOU CAN'T SIGN IT IT WILL DESTROY THE COMPANY FROM FUCKING YOU IN THE ASS YOU FUCKERS STOP IT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT SLAP COMPANIES THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO YOU

>>714271417
nothing will unify support for something more then having a good villain, piratesoftware is that villain

>companies get forced to apply this in the EU
>players in other parts of the world crate a shitstorm because only EU gets the guaranteed life support version
>it becomes the mandatory standard all over the world so stubborn shithead companies like nintendo can't circumvent it
A man can dream

>>714271457
Now the question is: If Elon and couple of grifters are promoting. They are they going to turn this petition into something that is actually harmful to the consumers.

>>714270980 (OP)
>82%
That's NUTS!

>>714271051
The death of video games.

>>714271260
Feels good knowing I signed this last year whenever I jack it off to hentai

>>714271487
https://youtu.be/tUAX0gnZ3Nw it only took the mold 6 years to permeate

I signed the petition even though I’m an American. I figured if Ross is allowed to create the petition despite being American, plus the fact that we pay for Europe’s defense and saved them from both nazism and communism, we deserve a say as well. I don’t care if it doesn’t technically count and they’ll have to recount, I deserve a voice

>>714271051
Most probable outcome is that they expand digital property law to include games in some form

>>714271616
If they do it in europe it’s pretty much a done deal elsewhere.

>>714271652
is this real?

>>714271630
It won't mattter. Ross will get his clout which was his real goal all along.

>>714271417
>Someone explain this one to me.
The deadline is coming up. Extrapolate from there.

>>714271461
EU has never bought into nintendo's shilling. Even SEGA outsold the SNES in some EU places.

>>714271298
None.
Law isn't retroactive

>>714271616
If they do it for europe, they might as well do it for the rest of the world.
Plus, in some cases, this will help companies be able to sell games even after they shut down the servers. This is really not as bad for the companies as some retards make it out to be.

>>714271051
literally nothing. license agreements already have clauses that support can end at any time. If anything, a couple lines in the EULA will have to be changed.
The pipe dream of companies being forced to release proprietary server architecture to the public is never going to happen.

>>714271616
>so stubborn shithead companies like nintendo can't circumvent it
>Nintendo
?

This was meant>>714271550 for this anon >>714271417

>>714271421
They are too busy drone striking brown children right now.

>>714271630
this is a bipartisan issue
EVERYONE gains from having more consumer rights
the only ones losing anything out of this are ubisoft, electronic arts, actiblizz, snoy and microshit

>>714271616
You are severely underestimating the shit eating capabilities of Americans.

>>714271703
Cope

>>714271696
As real as it gets my frend

With the publicity this has gotten the last couple days, even without another big spike the decay from this one wont go bellow the daily requirement to reach the million
So one million is in the bag. The question is how high does it have to go to account for invalid signatures. 1.1 or 1.2 million?

>>714271329
>for shit devs and jewish publishers
Total victory

>>714271420
binland mention

>>714271616
pretty much what will happen, just look at the iphone charger change

>>714271652
Holy shit is this real?

>>714271785
>EVERYONE gains from having more consumer rights
The problem is that this isn't giving anyone any more rights, in fact it's actively taking away rights of creators. And that's not just companies but everyone.

I can feel it.

>>714271281
I will

>>714271763
>The pipe dream of companies being forced to release proprietary server architecture to the public is never going to happen.

Why did they wait until a month before expiry to start promoting this?

>>714271896
You must follow the law when doing sales.

>>714271417
Can't say for certain Pirate killed the movement originally but the sheer spite and mounting resentment towards him absolutely played a part in its current success.

>>714271896
>Making your license playable is taking away rights
Fuckoff Thor

>>714271652
faggots will claim this is ai

Mathematically speaking this will hit 1 million. At the rate it’s going. Even a hard rate drop will squeak it past the goal. Today was 67k signatures. It needs about 6k on average per day. Even if tomorrow the amount received drops by half it would still be way above the daily needed.

>>714271926
cliffhanger moment

>>714270980 (OP)
This is how freedom dies. Grim...

>>714271950
Do you people ever say anything relevant?

>>714271926
They promoted it at the beginning. It was Ross willing to engage with the drama that made it “content” for the wider influencer sphere. Unironically piratesoftware created the buzz necessary for it to win.

>>714270980 (OP)
You fuckers know what's coming if you vote for this petition right? You know the consequences of inviting the government to intervene in the video games, knowing full well and probably lived through the 90s to 2000s where it was full of paranoid and delusional old men trying to dictate the rules and censor the fuck out of everything right? This is going to be even worse than that because now you have those same old men who now see the monetary incentive to fuck shit up and you fuckers are straight up kicking and screaming to come save you.

This won't be the government salvation you guys are hoping for, this won't even be the corpo vs government clash either, this will come entirely at your expense. They WILL fuck your shit up, anyone that has been around long enough knows not to trust the government and it's appalling to me that none of you can see Ross as the glowie that he clearly is. Why else would he go to such lengths to push this shit and throw on a full mask under the guise of caring for destroyed games? Why else has there been such a massive outbreak of supposed ecelebs throwing their weight into this all of the sudden when the natural response was to veer as far away as possible from this clear glowie psy op? They know now that they can get some headway and they've been going into overdrive to push for this and you idiots are falling for it.

If there's any among you that still possesses a brain, I implore you to not sign this shit. Don't give it attention, don't give it any time of day. This shit has so many malicious layers to it that it would be wise to not interact with it at all, and to say nothing on the long term ramifications against the average consciousness should it go through. Do you really believe that you aren't throwing away your personal information for the government to "leak away" in a year's time when this is over

>>714271896
as a consumer i am entitled to my purchase
no amounts of word salads you throw at me will never change this fact

>>714271897
this fucking stupid face activates the lizard part of my brain

>>714270980 (OP)
Rossspeed little green bar... wait, scratch that pun, ross seems a bit slow most of the times.

>>714271926
The sense of urgency is a nice to way to have even apathetic people make a decision faster.
It was always going to be this way. The beginning and the end gave the biggest waves.

I signed it because Pirate Software said not to and I hate him, I hate him so fucking much.
>>714271051
Realistically? Probably the abandonment of always online requirements.
Realistically and cynical? Probably companies making a subscription service to use their server code so you can host a private server. Or making things like Project Cartographer unquestionably legal.

>>714272018
It's that simple.
If you wish to participate in commerce, you sign up to do extra work - some of it in form of filing taxes.

>>714271051
nothing

I... was wrong.

>>714272043
>reddit spacing
lol

>>714270980 (OP)
all me btw

>>714271678
services sure are fraud. but did you know goods are fraud too, because *1 hour long niggerbabble amounting to nothing*. thoughts?

>>714271981
>having your software taken away from you isn't altering your rights over it
Being the braindead corporate slave you are you probably dont even know what I'm referring to.

>>714272043
>They WILL fuck your shit up,
Speculate as to how

IRATE SOFTWARE IS MOLD MAN PLANT
>PIRATE SOFTWARE IS MOLD MAN PLANT
PIRATE SOFTWARE IS MOLD MAN PLANT
>PIRATE SOFTWARE IS MOLD MAN PLANT
PIRATE SOFTWARE IS MOLD MAN PLANT
>PIRATE SOFTWARE IS MOLD MAN PLANT

ROSS MINDCONTROLLED HIM WITH SHROOMS LONG AGO
FALSEFLAGS AND DRAMA WERE PLANNED LAST RESORT STRATEGY TO BOOST PETITION SIGNS

>>714271763
ever looked at your tools tab on steam and seen a fuckton of server software? if not, go have a look.

>>714272009
Nothing pushes lazy people more than the end of a deadline

>>714271417
Ross has a pretty small channel relatively to the big players on Youtube, and only about ~10% of his viewers are even from Europe

He just doesnt have the huge pull to get this passed on his own and a much much larger content creator put out popular videos severely decrying the initiative

it was only until recently that big names finally pushed for this which is why its actually seeing movement

>>714271763
>license agreements already have clauses that support can end at any time
>a couple lines in the EULA will have to be changed.
Which the fuck is it? The agreements will stay in tact but the EULA will change to say what? What the fuck are you talking about
>forced to release proprietary server architecture
>proprietary server architecture
Yea having a dozen blackbox microservices connected to a game server is not going to be ruled as IP and, even if it were, it's unnecessary for someone to run locally. You don't need:
>Load balancers + networking
>Auto scaling
>Data sync and caching
And probably so much other shit.

>>714271990
It was 30k two days ago
It was 50k yesterday
It is already at almost 70k today and the day is not even over
Do the math

>>714271763
>pipe dream
My dude do you really think making a few APIs public is wizardry no company would or could ever do?
Are you fucking special in the head?

>>714272082
Anon, read the post you replied to.

>>714271417
These EU initiatives often get a lot of votes in a short amount of time, and often with only days to spare when it's been up for awhile. It mostly depends on social media trends, and the people are more likely to talk about it and to actually care when it's starting to seems a bit desperate

The madness will end.

>>714271978
I just don't understand that 50% of all votes are just coming in now and people are expecting me to take it organically or some shit.
Hate for the pirate faggotlord was there before. The movement was shilled by ecelebs before. I don't eat that so many people were so unaware of it that just in the nick of time this would happen. It smells rancid as shit to me.

>>714271763
>pipe dream
Huh?
>valve now gives refuns for videogames
>20 years ago we still had dedicated servers, LAN and PTP
This is not a pipe dream. It is not even a technicall challenge. Not a political challenge either.

>>714270980 (OP)
As a vidya developer I'm not going to sign it. Whoever makes the game should be able to do with it as they damned please. The standard nowadays is online server-based games and those are expensive to maintain.

If you want games to stay alive then KEEP PAYING FOR VIDEOGAMES you fucking losers

>>714272206
Which rights are being taken away, faggot?

>>714272167
>Yea having a dozen blackbox microservices connected to a game server is not going to be ruled as IP
Of course it is, proprietary software is covered by copyright.

>>714272225
kek always funny when corpos word something shitty into something beneficial

This is a garbage petition.

AAA developers will easily deal with the consequences.

But indie/A/AA developers will struggle much making multiplayer games that can also be hosted by consumers without exposing any source code.

You fools don't realize that Ubisoft WANTS this.

>>714272201
Oh shit we’re still on an uptrend? 2-5 days then.

>>714271789
I don't want to hear shit coming from 50hz gamers.

>>714272225
good, fuck PSPlus those greedy fuckers

>>714272264
ok roach

>>714272043
grok, summarize this schizobabble

>>714272229
Pirate is a furry, it's now an anti-furry campaign.

How many threads were deleted just today? Eight? These faggots know we're winning and they're seething about it.

>>714272264
>Whoever makes the game should be able to do with it as they damned please.
Then you can not charge money for it.

>>714272264
once the laws pass you want have a choice but to follow it, so you better figure it out soon retard

>>714272238
Yes, planned obsolescence is always a business decision. Every other excuse is asinine and not worth entertaining.

>>714272280
You're supposed to be arguing what rights we gain.
As for v what we lose, as creators we're losing the right to our property under certain circumstances and no, that doesn't mean the game.

*RING RING* Increase the support

>>714272043
You’re jewish.

>>714271763
>support can end any time
The petition does not request perpetual support
>couple lines in EULA
Yeah, that shit wont fly, its EOS plan or youre fined for 20% of yearly income until you do the EOS plan

>>714272376
The previous thread lasted for ~700 posts tbqh.

>>714271763
>EULA
93/13/EEC
Get fucked.

>>714272229
>pirate hate was there before

It really didnt pick up until the hardcore wow shit and the videos he put out were 10 months ago

>>714272289
>But indie/A/AA developers will struggle much making multiplayer games that can also be hosted by consumers without exposing any source code.
You do not need any source code to run a server binary.

>>714272225
Does removing them from PS Plus mean they're completely removed from the store as well? Because PS Plus is a subscription service, you don't buy shit there.

>>714271417
Streisand effect, some bratty radiovoice anti consumer puppet jumping on it gave it more attention than the autistist who plays slavjank point and clicks could ever hope to gather.
The Irate Software gave it the ghost of a chance.

>>714272225
>SONY removes games
>SONY spokeperson statement: ''We do it to keep the proposition interesting and help people find new games goym.''
YOU CAN NOT FABRICATE THIS SHIT!!!

>>714271051
nothing.

>>714272264
I will not be buying any games in a world where I'm being told to get used to not owning them.
>but much theft
Can't steal what you can't own.

>>714271051
death of the european game industry
>but muh it doesnt affect indies
they will still need to lawyer up to navigate around it
the same shit happened with other european tech

I worked at Blizzard Entertainment for 7 years and this won't succeed.

His silence is deafening

>>714272481
Yes you do. I am a developer I would know

>>714272406
What property? You sold copies of a non-perishable good.

>>714272043
They already interfere in videogames you retarded lolbert faggot
>Taxes
>USAID
>Government grants
>Censorship
Nothing lives in a vacuum you fucking retard

>>714272357
Is this fag actually a furry? My friend follows him and I wanna show him in case it's true.

>>714271051
no more verification cans

>>714271434
>>714271549
nice
and it even happened to be on sale

>>714272264
>those are expensive to maintain
Then shift the costs to the consumer; let US maintain them when you decide you no longer want to.

>>714272459
>Yeah, that shit wont fly, its EOS plan or youre fined for 20% of yearly income until you do the EOS plan
or just dont release it in the eu

>>714272563
>shills will tell you this doesn't count

>>714271763
EULA is not legally enforcable in first world countries.

>>714272602
Then you are using an interpreted language, your own fault for being a trend following dip shit

>>714272658
Get Arx Libertatis for some improvements.

>>714272481
Nooooo you don't understand.

A guy who ran cybersecuriry for a company his dad worked at told this guy that servers require proprietary source code.

It's not his fault he was born after 2006 and can't work his mom's ipad properly.

>>714271417
The whoke situation was primed by ree things:
1) Ross intentionally avoided starting Youtube slop drama because it would undermine the movement.
2) In the meantime Maldavius was taking an wide assortment of Ls and making people hate him for unrelated reasons.
3) Slop youtubers are starved for content right now and this happens to be the best drama at the moment.

A month before the deadline, Ross realized he has nothing to lose so he finally opened the floodgates for drama and it all exploded from there.

>>714272592
>european game industry
This will be implemented the same way GDPR is, doesn’t matter if you’re in eu or not, if you want to sell you have to comply. Not a single big company can afford pulling out of EU

>>714272264
Once you sell it it's no longer yours you dumb fuck and nobody expects you to run servers out of your own pocket indefinitely. Go make games that can work without calling home every 2 seconds for no benefit or let people run their own servers.

>>714272264
My always online game cost me 5 bucks per month to run, if you can't afford that you deserve to get fucked over

>>714272289
>developers will struggle
bullshit, there will be a very brief period until a solution is found and that will become the industry standard over night, it's not like every developer will have to independently reinvent the wheel

Its kind of funny that the only defense haters of this can come up with is just making shit up like asking devs to maintain games forever

really shows how concrete it is

I don't particularly care much about live service games and it'd be nice for at least some developers to release the tools necessary to open up private servers, I'm all for it.
I just don't understand sucking the government off like this.

REMINDER
>None of this is organic
>No one actually cares about the subject
>This is a thinly veiled hate campaign against a popular Blizzard developer
>Very likely politically motivated

100k incoming
That might even be a low estimate

>>714271051
Unitl it gets to 1.000.000 I will not respond.

>>714272725
I code in C.

>>714272669
>just lose half of your yearly income instead
Kek

>>714272289
>But indie/A/AA developers will struggle
Who keeps bringing this stupid logic? Which indie deveopers and games you dumb troon?
>Noita
DRM free on GOG
>Factorio
DRM free on GOG
>Project Zomboid
DRM free on GOG(you can also host your servers)
>UnderRail
DRM free on GOG
>UnEpic
DRM free on GOG(you can host you own multiplayer co-op)
>ECHO
DRM free on GOG
>Styx: Shards of Darkness
DRM free on GOG
Jesus fucking Christ!

>>714272357
EU will chain him to a wall to make him upkeep his shitty RPG until death

>>714272595
Because he's dead, anon.
Hit by a train. They found him about 25 feet from his shoes.
Personally looking at the angle of impact I'm thinking he was pushed but that's just me. I certainly wouldn't want La Cía to think I know something.

>>714272398
or just dont sell it in europe
its a dying market anyway with increasing poverty and authoritian censorship everywhere

Reminder that most of the votes in the UK and EU petition are bots and will be thrown out. Your probably at best have 10k in the UK and 50k in the EU.

>>714272289
>indie live service games
fucking lmao, name three

>>714272605
You're not smsrt enough for this conversation.

>>714272848
Then distribute the binaries instead of troonix make files

>>714272264
Maybe ship the game with that server binary of yours so some fat fuck in the basement could host one for free?

>>714272810
The resistance is inorganic

>>714270980 (OP)
I agree on a principle. I want server browsers and self hosting option.

However, you "people" are the rong ones to go to bat over this. you are not qualified, you are cringe, and you are retarded.

You will fumble this. You have already fumbled this. You don't speak for me. Even if we agree on something. I don't recognize you.

>>714272791
Pretty much 100% of the indies rely on Steamwork servers anyway, they don't have to do anything as long as Steam is alive.

>>714272852
>single-player only games is the same as a MMO
>games with co-op sessions is the same as a MMO
pirate was right you guys are so fucking retarded and have no idea what you are talking about

>>714272810
I can still cheer it on despite it. People doing something good for once I can always cheer on, despite its reasoning.

>>714272669
American companies have a legal obligation to maximize shareholder value :^) pulling out of one of your biggest markets is not on the table

>>714270980 (OP)
>pirate software was so buttmad he paid a guy on fiverr (he can't program it himself) to spam signatures on both petitions
would be funny but i hope this isn't it

>>714272658
Seconding Libertatis, have fun anon.

>>714272669
yes I also hate money

>>714272474
>>714272563
Gold like this is why the "nothing will get done" crowd is a bunch of faggots. You anons are posting hard proof that good shit has been done in the past, and nothing stops good shit from happening this time too.

>>714272878
good stay the fuck away we don't want your slop games

>>714270980 (OP)
I work for a massive publisher.

You idiots won't change a thing. The attitude inside a massive publisher is "yeah, the games suck and the microtransactions suck, but they pay the bills". Like that's literally what is said in our massive meetings and even the lowest totem pole workers know that's how it is. We know the games suck, but hey pay the bills.

It is unfortunate that I work for a company that takes advantage of people that can't control their finances, but I haven't found a new job yet that has similar pay or benefits.

You won't change shit with some stupid twitter campaign.

PEOPLE. KEEP. BUYING. MICROTRANSACTIONS.

PEOPLE KEEP PAYING $120 TO PLAY GAMES 3. DAYS. EARLY.

You won't change anything. PEOPLE KEEP BUYING THIS GARBAGE.

Unless you can educate people on finances so they stop buying $10 loot boxes every single paycheck, then NOTHING. WILL. CHANGE. IDIOTS SHOVEL MONEY INTO OUR POCKETS AND WE ALL HATE THE GAMES WE MAKE BUT YOU MONKEYS KEEP BUYING THIS SHIT AND PAYING OUR BILLS.

I fully expect /v/ will be apologizing to Thor soon.

>>714272229
Most of the people watching MoistCrit1kal or SomeOrdinaryGamers etc. have probably never heard of PirateSoftware; I certainly didn't. All I know of him is he's an arrogant idiot who's also a WoW roach and keeps lording over people he worked at Blizzard (as an equivalent to a janitor, which he conveniently doesn't mention).

>>714272402
>Yes, planned obsolescence is always a business decision.
>business decision
Never forget this Ubisoft fucker.

>>714272898
how can I do that?
>>714272894
ROTMG for starters, that game will die if this project happens

>>714272849
what are you talking about?
the eu is a dying market, google and apple are already postponing and not releasing features there
companies that arent AAA sized wont care about losing like 1-2k customers

>>714272057
I remember that at the beginning of the campaign this retard made a video supporting Thor, look at his face

>>714271127
>>714271274
Finns are sexy

Name ONE indie GaaS

>>714272810
>>No one actually cares about the subject
(You)

>>714273010
Man that's an actual reddit bot post, that's wild. Sneed by the way.

>>714272810
I care and I voted before this celeb fag shit.

>>714273010
God your Reddit spacing annoys me.

Reminder that there is millions on the line and big publishers would be retarded not to flood the internet with shills.

>>714271049
hopefully a furry will rope

>>714273045
is that a guy?

>>714273040
delusional

>>714272658
Next time buy it on GOG.

>>714273008
>slop
redditword
enjoy your eukino then like dustborn, paid for by your taxes

>>714273010
You're right that voting with your wallet has never, and will never work. But SKG has nothing to do with that.

>>714272979
Kek I just realized that were burgermutt corpos not so slaved to shareholders they could actually say fuck it an pull out of markets. Though if they weren't forced to suck shareholder cock practices like this wouldn't exist in the first place.

>>714272829
But what if...

>>714273103
No thats lumi

>>714270980 (OP)
took this much shit slinging to get 4/5s of the way to 1 million signatures from the EU
it's fucking sad but hopefully it gets there
sadly we need the EU to regulate us burgers cuz all we can do is cut Medicaid and food stamps and give tax breaks to the rich

>>714270980 (OP)
ACTUAL DEVS HAVE SPOKEN
YOUR MOVEMENT IS A NOTHINGBURGER
STOP SPAMMING THIS BOARD NOW

>>714273135
Norway is not in the EU.

>>714273115
its already the reality retard
apple google and microsoft are already witholding features from the eu due to laws like this

>>714273181
shame

>>714273040
And yet I’m clicking “no fucking cookies” instead of seeing “website is not available in your country”, wonder why is that

>>714273010
We can't fix stupid yea, it's why the government need to pass laws to prevent those retards from ruining everything

>>714273183
The poor should suffer as much as possible but the rich shouldn't get tax breaks only the middle class.

>>714272940
You said indie games you dumb fucker. If you want to talk MMOs you can go check the list of private WoW servers.

>>714273181
>No
lost interest

>>714272940
Indie devs making MMOs now?
Either way - If (You) can host the server, so can the community with the same toolset.

>>714273034
For the thousandth fucking time, this does not apply rectroactively, you halfbrained niggers
would you fucking READ THE GODDAMN PETITION before you go about trying to discuss it?

>>714272852
Now go ahead and ask them how the % of sales on gog? And you will soon learn that most consumers don't want to change.

>>714272925
The irony you hit me with after your first reddit space. Perfect.
Anyway stop your cringe.
>you don't speak for me, I don't recognise you
Nobody wants to be your Kakarot. Stop talking like an anime rival.

>>714270980 (OP)
>82%
WTF?
Last time I clicked one of these threads it just hit 60%
What happened?

>>714271051
>the EU will be forced to talk about and acknowledge it
>the EU will not be forced to actually do anything

>>714273223
cool. Are they still selling their phones here? are they planning on stopping anytime soon?

>>714273192
>Reddit

>>714273267
>we are not going to destroy past games only future games!
Pirate is so 100% right.

>>714273279
Bots

>>714272979
>American companies have a legal obligation to maximize shareholder value
That is a myth.

>>714272225
thats very different though. ps+ is a subscription service, the license agreement is that you lose access to those games once you stop paying, you never owned them and you should be fully aware of when your access ends.
you can still buy the games that were accessable through the service, thats the part the initiative is working on.

>>714273010
That's why we want to make law on this. There's a reason it's illegal to sell heroin and it can be illegal to sell lootboxes too.

>>714270980 (OP)
>No company is going to release a game in EUropooria again
Feels good bros. They still haven't learned that regulation kills your economy.

>>714272669
This is always so funny because that would just lose the company way more money than to just make an offline mode

>>714273314
>preserving games is destroying them
neanderthal level IQ

>>714273181
Ruined.
Don't post this shit ever again

>>714273257
Sadly, I have seen worse.

>>714273279
>What happened?
Honestly, content creators.

>>714273192
Even if any of those words were true, I'd be happy with no online "features" in my Euronation.

>>714272669
Sure, just like how Apple stopped releasing their products in the EU, and how big movie studios don't bend the knee to the Chinese government to realease stuff over there.

>>714273279
Pewdiepie dropped the second nuke

>>714272940
Name indie MMOs.
>Captcha: 84SKG

>>714273227
>>714273250
She has short blonde hair if you like that
Fag

This guy is literally correct and no one can argue with him rationally. I just watched Charlie's video and he is just insulting the guy without addressing anything.

>>714273216
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dustborn
>Additionally, the game received a grant of €150,000 from the EU's Creative Europe project, and 300,000 NOK from Viken Filmsenter
>>714273234
there are a tons of websites that arent in the eu though
one big being yahoo japan

>>714271051
The 4th Reich

>>714273010
Ok crazy. Just don't shut down and you can continue to sell your MTX.

>>714273034
>ROTMG
there are already private servers for that
https://realmofthemadgod.fandom.com/wiki/Realm_of_the_Mad_God_Private_Server

>>714273345
Your gubbermint just raised the debt ceiling by 5 trillion and made old people pay less tax on social security.

>>714271189
When did you realize we won and that the initiative would get 1,000,000 signees

>>714272512
*fake radio voice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjUun6owSCE

>>714273043
Isn't this the nigga with the AI-powered bed?

Enjoy your 120€ games fucking retards.

>once again people pretend that this will kill every game (they just release a multiplayer working file so shit can be hosted when the live slop dies and it no longer exists basically, aka no sales would have happened)
>people still think companies can't do this (they can and will, the same way they've adapted to everything else, this costs nothing to do)
>people still think the EU can't affect global trade or companies outside of it (it does actively, its a hot spot for economic activity even without the euro being hyperinflated)
>people still think the EU will do nothing (it does)

Glory to the European Union

>>714273384
>>714273248
ROTMG

>>714272636
most likely a zoophile, too. for example some of the ferrets he keeps have died in very suspicious manner

>>714273437
TL;DR

>>714273289
yes and eu users are now paying more for less features
though with the new 7 years of mandatory updates law we will probably see smaller chinese smartphone brands exit the eu
the poor can get fucked I guess

>>714273437
>Please recognize how hard I work
Okay, you’re a very special boy who works very hard. Now do your job.

>>714273281
every single initiative thats made it through has lead to a positive change in law

>>714271610
Don't follow eceleb garbage. Qrd?

>>714273034
>how can I [distribute compiled C code]?

>>714271051
Battle pass games that die in a year will be required to have peer to peer game play. They could have always done this but they are trying to farm money not make games

>STOP KILLING GAMES
This is you

>>714273192
Redditors are retarded and should be killed.

>>714273335
Ford vs. Dodge, inb4 some legalese ACKSHUALLY hogdepodge

>>714273379
the chinese market is millions bigger than the eu
>Apple stopped releasing their products in the EU,
https://www.macrumors.com/2025/06/30/apple-will-delay-bringing-features-to-users-in-eu/

>>714273192
>>714273010
AAA will die
God Wills It

>>714273469
Yeah that’s sounds about the kind of person that would support piratefagware

>>714273362
He could have done all this with a library.
I know that, I can see how easy it would be to library it.
I would fucking never use a library because I'm afraid of red squiggly lines. But I can see h9w easy a library would fix this.
Imagine your code being so had a library could fix it..
Who is this?

>>714273192
>You're asking us to do this, you're basically saying to do that.
Nigga all it asks is for the game to be in a reasonably playable state. It is vague on purpose because how you go about it, depends on you. Just don't shit on my plate, I don't care how you do it. Or you can simply not do any work at all and put a giant sticker that informs me of when your service game expires.

>>714273043
>>714273469
That AI bed certainly was an investment, just not a good one.

>>714273550
>yes
ok I will wait for the announcement

>>714272797
Not really given the only defence for SKG is to pretend it's about maintaining games forever and not taking people's rights away for the sake of "safe" spending.

That's why people always respond with
>WE AREN'T ASKING TO TAKE AWAY YOUR GAMES!
when met with the effect on copyright pertaining to the code and software required to maintain private servers rather than brand.
Oh and don't think I forgot the other argument of
>IT'S HAPPENED BACK BEFORE I WAS BORN AND THERE WAS NO PROBLEM
ignoring the fact that it was always on the developer to do so and they weren't forced to give up their rights.

>>714273437
If you can't make a game that can't work without your server it doesn't deserve to exit, go fuck yourself.
If this kills live service games I call it mission accomplished.

ChatGPT, generate me fifty different 4chan styled posts as if written by a Redditor explaining how Stop Killing Games will kill and rape every developer for the rest of time

>>714273618
Aryan beast.

>>714273618
Looks like the guy who’s opposing the petition.

>>714273469
why buy an AI controlled bed?

>>714273345
Anon, pretty much any game that releases on GOG already passes any possible law that could come out of the SKG initiative. If your game is DRM free you've already passed.

Managed to get one more signature from my gen x brother. Sadly nobody else wanted to sign.

>>714273421
congrats now you will never ever invent or use anything better than usb c
it will be really fucking funny when the eu is still stuck with this shit in 30 years

>>714271298
Overwatch 1, Star Wars battle front, basically every online game you can’t play anymore

I guess nobody speaks English here?

>>714273502
60€ or no buy

>>714273685
The entire point of this is that releasing the server is pointless if it will leave players vulnerable.

Are you going to force the developers to support the game forever and ever with security patches? Are you going to arrest the indie developers if they don't have the resources to do that? What's next? Concentration camps?

Seriously anyone backing this initiative should be ARRESTED because they are fucking game nazis

>>714270980 (OP)
p*wdi*pi* signing it shows this isn't about games at all, it's about excluding women. everyone that signed it should be investigated.

>>714272043
the industry has already hit rock bottom, the only direction is up or complete and utter death
both options are acceptable

>>714271763
>license agreements
In developed countries those cannot be enforced if they go against the law

>>714273437
He doesn't understand the difference between a pettition and a law. Even if all goes on, EU will discuss about it for month or years before implement a real regulation that will have a lot of clauses, options and legal loopholes even if it's a lacking law.

>>714273192
>AAA HR departments have spoken
oh no

>>714273778
They're just smart and don't listen to Americans.

>>714273723
>GOG
the only thing its good for is piracy

>>714273362
Use switch statements, reduce redundant code (every single one ends with "1, (float)6"), use a variable for 'this' instead of updating 'this' for every single use case, use a singular function for this.

>>714273465
Daedalus came to me in a dream many moons ago

>>714273691
>Stop Killing Games will kill and rape every developer for the rest of time
If only

>>714271051
Companies will be forced to include a disclaimer that you don't own your games and that they'll never let you play on your private servers. Which is good because it'll be easier to not play those games.

>>714271298
If they released server code Titanfall 1 and Ace Combat Infinity, I'd be a very happy anon.

>>714273380
>>714273368
In the end that was all it took huh
Not bad...

>>714273815
Good morning saar

Pirate software is right and that’s why I’m signing it.
Make more single player games.
Fuck games as a service.

Sorry bros, wish I could help
Well, not really since that would mean joining the EU

>>714273518
Praise be to Ludd, death to the Domain, we shall keep our games

>>714273618
>communist sóyboys are now apparently pro owning things
the /v/ brainrot has never been this bad

>>714273784
>Are you going to arrest the indie developers if they don't have the resources to do that?
the eu will just wont have new indie studios
the same shit that happened with other tech
there is a reason why you cant name an european phone brand, cloud service or OS

I AM FEELING [[HOPE]]

FORGE AHEAD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svjk2b7yFZ8

>>714273740
You know that this was mini usb before that and it worked perfectly, right?

>>714273034
>ROTMG
"I hereby endorse community-made private servers. No warranty." There, the game is now in a playable state. No need to release anything.

>>714271051
the EU board will say no

>>714272748
>>714272984
thanks, I will look into it

>>714273502
Enjoy your 140$ games that last only 6 months.

>>714273858
>Companies will be forced to include a disclaimer that you don't own your games and that they'll never let you play on your private servers. Which is good because it'll be easier to not play those games.
Make those disclaimers huge as health warnings on european cigarette packages. Let public eye know the games have artificial expiration dates.

>>714271126
The government won't do anything but it's nice people voted

>>714273518
>(it does actively, its a hot spot for economic activity even without the euro being hyperinflated
HAHAHAHAHA

>>714271298
It wouldn't be retroactive, so none of them. If we pretend that it WAS then literally any of them that had online servers that were shut down at some point.

>>714273437
>When I bring up the issues with leaving Online Only games in a "Functional Playable State" after sunsetting
Why do non-MMO games have to be online only?

>>714273550
>for less features
What features are we missing out on, exactly? I would never spend more than 150 Euros on a phone in the first palce because I'm not a dumb retard, but I am interested what those phones would not have compared to those sold outside the EU.

>>714273540
Is this one of those gay and cringe alter egos like moldbug?

>>714271616
>be forced to release EoL build for europeans
>refuse to release it for americans out of spite
>they can just pirate the build from europeans because the whole point of the EoL build is to run offline independently
It'd be a losing proposition for them regardless

>>714273165
That's not true. Tons of games the last 2 years has failed because consumers voted with their wallets (by not buying the games)

>>714273784
My brother in christ, even dragon quest 10 managed to release a offline game, and they did that with an actual effort

If you are developing a game that is critical with your servers being up, you do not deserve to release your game

>>714271051
Games are kill

>>714273427
indeed I do.

>>714273898
You will be forced to have more rights as a result of this.
GLORY TO THE EUROPEAN UNION.

>>714273010
You can't stop us.

>>714273671
>reasonably playable state.
The problem that this is incredibly vague, they could add a tutorial mode and that would be "reasonably playable" for some people. Hell they could just make an offline version and make you pay for it again at full price.
This whole campaign is so slapdash and poorly thought out that had you read the FAQ you wouldn't have supported it in the first place.
>Just don't shit on my plate
You're the consumer, no one can shit on your plate but you can choose to put it on there. If you really didn't want to get fucked over you wouldn't have bought it in the first place.

>>714273912
It's not about developing games in the EU.

The EU won't allow you to distribute games there if you are not planning to become a slave and release patches to the games for several generations to come (and also find someone to do it after you're dead).

Basically indie gaming will die in the EU and only Ubisoft and EA will remain.

So fucking ironic.

France, Finland, Germany doesnt need an ID number.
You can just enter some bogus shit and tadaaa signed

I literary just voted as Adolf Hitler in France

this shit is fake as fuck, my guess is that at least 400k votes are fake

>>714273465
>>714273853
Good pics

Im signing this for the slim hope Hitman becomes fully playable online.

>>714273465
We can't count our win yet.
Now is the time for action, August will be the time for celebration.
>>714271679
Ross didn't submit the petition, he got a European to do that for him, Genuinely don't sign it if your not from the EU, it will cause issues in the long run.

Started shilling in the lost media community, it’s a similar headspace

>>714273010
Saving this post and setting a reminder to myself for a year from now to see how this ages. God I hope it ages like cottage milk.

>>714273878
Ameribrowns can't complain about street shitter when niggers and Arabs already infest their country.

>>714273707
"AI" In this case is just a if statement for a temp sensor.

>>714271126
bongs have been on the pocket of jews since WW2. They ain't doing shit

>>714271298
Ghost Recon: Future Soldier
Ubishit pulled the plug on the servers a year ago and you can't play multiplayer or coop anymore

>>714273778
Where can i see this?

I hate gacha tards so I will not sign this
I want your games to die not live on forever

>>714274014
Didn't you hear anon? The power of the CLOUD™ is required to play these games. It's literally impossible to play them offline. (random russian guy releases offline mode years later)

>>714270980 (OP)
>82%
>double 41%

>>714273784
You almost had me at the first point

>>714273010
You are mentally ill even in your larp.

>>714274040
>even dragon quest 10, from an AAA studio, managed to release an offline game!
Oh fucking really?

Now tell me how this addresses indie developers releasing servers that remain secure forever.

>>714272779
>Once you sell it it's no longer yours
Yes, yes it is. That's the point of a licence.
You own the copy but the property still belongs to the creator.

>>714274028
People would just start finding ways to buy the product from the European market version to begin with.

>>714273678
>when met with the effect on copyright pertaining to the code and software required to maintain private servers rather than brand.
You act like licensing doesn't exist. You act like there is a copyright issue in modifying existing licenses. You act like proprietary matchmaking software would be necessary in private servers.
You act like you were told something by someone and didn't think to do one google search.

Anyone else getting a kick out of all the rage baiting

I keep seeing the most retarded things in here, just absolutely benign shit. As if people took their brain, mushed it into a blender and then drank it with a silly-straw. Then I remind myself that I'm on /v/, duh.

>>714274067
Name one GaaS indie game.

I honestly just hope the gaming industry just fucking implodes like after E.T. in 82
it needs a complete pruning
TOTAL RESET

>>714274023
>150 Euros on a phone
you will have to soon because from now on there is 7 years of mandatory replacement part production and 5 years of software updates
say goodbye to cheap phones in the eu
https://www.guru3d.com/story/new-eu-mobile-device-requirements-5year-software-and-7year-parts-support/
>What features are we missing out on, exactly?
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/news-apple-delays-ios-26-features-eu/
but its not just that
have you wondered why google removed the google maps button from the search results?
you can thank the eu for that

>>714274048
Are you doing it rn?

>>714273912
Indie game studios that regularly make online server based games they can disable remotely?

>>714273465
>1999, about 100% of games could be played indefintely without developer support
>now its just 2%

>>714271051
single player games can still be killed by abandonment
devs can still sit on an intellectual "property" and don't have to release source code
basically it's nothing and only for online slop

>>714274079
Only new games

>>714273887
based

None of this is done for videogames or preservation or nerd shit.
It's all done because the whole planet wants that furry faggot PirateSoftware to kill himself.
Truly a modern hero.

>>714274206
50 people already asked me that in this thread and I answered 50 times: ROTMG.

>b-but it has private servers!
Maintained with consumer code to be safe. This project forces the indie developer to make the server safe forever. Literally if you die and your children are not doing it THE CHILDREN GET ARRESTED. Imagine supporting this holy shit

>you grow up and find out your dad dared release 12 games in the EU
>now you have to spend the rest of your life maintaining them

>>714274204
There is millions and millions of dollerydoos on the line, they would be stupid not to flood the internet with shills.

>>714274067
>Basically indie gaming will die in the EU and only Ubisoft and EA will remain.
the funny thing is that is what happened with all the eu tech companies too
only SAP left in the eu

>>714271630
This mentality is exactly why the signature threshold hasn’t been reached. Fags only interested in self sabotage.

>>714272043
You should request refund on that post. We'll make sure you have the rights to get it.
t. EU

>>714274092
Don't bother, it's an SKGfag falseflagging with a pasta in order to gain support through spite.
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/%22The%20attitude%20inside%20a%20massive%20publisher%20is%20%22yeah%2C%20the%20games%20suck%20and%20the%20microtransactions%20suck%2C%20but%20they%20pay%20the%20bills%22.%20Like%20that%27s%20literally%20what%20is%20said%20in%20our%20massive%20meetings%20and%20even%20the%20lowest%20totem%20pole%20workers%20know%20that%27s%20how%20it%20is.%20We%20know%20the%20games%20suck%22/

>>714273437
He's already been debunked and his issues have been addressed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF4zH8bJDI8
PS actually responded to this video but then later deleted the comment because it made him look even more retarded.

>>714274069
Once the goal is reached to 1 million, invalid signatures will wiped out early as possible when it's being verified. That will happen, but in good time now that there's still about month to go to catch up.

>>714273345
This is even funnier considering every single good game of the last 15 years is european.

>>714274304
What level of schizo is this

>>714274304
bait used to be believable

>>714274239
its not about that but having to lawyer up to walk around the shitty regulations that entrench everything
even operating a website in the eu now requires you to have a team of lawyers because of GDPR

>>714274261
It's far more than that, hyperbole-kun.

>>714273618
>I rape ferrets
This is you

>>714273778
Look at the per capita %
Small countries need to reach a proportionally higher count, the minimum appearing to be 4230
They already contributed plenty

>>714271126
When cr1tikal made the video. I'm surprised the million wasn't reached last month after than, honestly

He never got to see this day

>>714271051
it's also not retroactive

>>714273437
I don't know how people like you just don't get shot, like you are a waste of oxygen, your retardation knows no bounds. Just end it already.

>>714274378
>>714274382
>no logical counter argument
The game has to "remain in a playable state".

So you have to support it. Argue against that.

>>714271990
It’s hit the influencer sphere so it’s practically guaranteed at this point.

>>714274304
>This project forces the indie developer to make the server safe forever. Literally if you die and your children are not doing it THE CHILDREN GET ARRESTED. Imagine supporting this holy shit
That is not the case at all. That's not even legal in Germany. Are you special in the head?

>>714274304
I know you are ragebaiting faggot, but no, you dont need to maintain the game perpetually and this is not what this petition asks

>>714274065
It's vague on purpose. It's flexible on purpose because it's not a law.
>Just don't buy it
This is not an argument. Even if I never eat at a restaurant I will advocate for the regulation of it not being able to do business by serving shit.

THESE EUROS. THEY WANT TO HARM OUR PRECIOUS GAMING INDUSTRY. TRYING TO DO VERY BAD THINGS. SAYING OUR PROUD AMERICAN BUSINESSES HAVE TO SPEND LOTS OF MONEY FOR THEM. VERY UNFAIR! THEY ARE JEALOUS WE HAVE THE BEST GAME COMPANIES IN THE WORLD! BECAUSE OF THIS I WILL BE LEVYING A 50% TARIFF AGAINST EU GOODS UNTIL THEY STOP THE CHEATING AND HARMING OUR COMPANIES.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!!!

>initiative succeeds
>laws and regulations get made
>be indie dev
>be retarded enough to make a live service game
>don't have the resources to support it
>even if the project survives long enough to be released
>have to make it playable offline or provide tools for private/local server
bringing up indie as a defence against this is straight up retardation.

>>714273618
Murricans

>>714274231
Oh know, phones will be kept up to date longer so people don't have to buy a new one every 2 years and some personal data stealing "features" are unavailable.

>>714274261
>Strengthen publishers, weaken consumers. With microtransactions this can be done imperceptibly over time.

>>714274067
Shit bait

>>714274067
Didnt know indies used central servers to lock people from their games.
Every single indie game ive played works wonders even if the devs abandoned them.

>>714274493
>phones will be kept up to date longer
yes, Iphones samsung flagships and google pixels
those 150 euro chink phones though? say goodbye to them
or do you really think that you can just buy the same 150 euro phone now but with mandatory 5 years of software updates? how fucking retarded are you

>>714273437
The only games that can't are MMOs and gachas. That's it.

>uk
>96,3%

>>714274495
Blood Dragon was nice

>be a kid born in the EU
>dad dies
>mom calls you saying you need to have a difficult conversation
>"Anon, your dad was a game developer..."
>eyes glowing, best news ever
>"He released 7 games..."
>mom starts crying so hard she can't even speak
>eventually recomposes herself
"He released 7 games... in the EU. You know what that means...?"
>"Thanks to Stop Killing Games, our family has to maintain these games in a 'playable state' forever, or else we get arrested."
>"There are vulnerabilities and exploits coming out every month. We need to keep patching the games and ensuring they are playable."
>"I am sorry anon but this is your life now. You will be a slave of the games your dad created."
What do?

>>714274440
Reread the initiative. No it doesn’t. There just needs to be a good faith effort on providing options to the community.

Even if it’s just handing off documentation and saying “I don’t know figure it out.” Server binaries and offline modes are ideal, but not required.

impressive

>>714274192
>You act like licensing doesn't exist.
Are you going to pay for that software?
>You act like there is a copyright issue in modifying existing licenses.
You literally have to obtain a new license depending on what you're doing. That's also why those smash tournaments were taken down. The game alone only granted them a private license but because they were streaming they needed a public one which they didn't have.
>You act like proprietary matchmaking software would be necessary in private servers.
You would quite literally need the software/binaries relating to the game.
>You act like you were told something by someone and didn't think to do one google search.
You're saying this as someone who blindly follows an ignorant American YouTuber who doesn't want to take responsibility of his own actions.

>>714270980 (OP)
A worthy effort, but futile. Anything below 100% is a FAIL

>>714274625
Support Russia in their war.

>>714272283
It's not software; it's architecture. It's blueprints. It's something you're asked to draw out during a fucking interview.

>>714274625
tell the stupid whore of a mother that it wouldn't apply retroactively

>>714274486
It begs the question.
If a multimillion dollar company like Riot has to use fucking Pando Media Booster in year of our lord, anno fucking domini, 2025 AD, to.make their game function, what hope does any given indie dev have of making a live service game?

If you're indie and your game is live service you are walking right past success and shooting yourself in both kneecaps and you deserve to fail.

>>714271051
games live

>>714274625
>*scenario that only exists in your head*
>What do?
Nothing

>>714272229
>anon discovers procrastination

>>714273437
I can spool up a wow server on my machine and play 100% locally, even with bots that mimic real players. Anyone claiming this is difficult for games of a smaller scale is lying.

>>714274231
So instead of buying a new phone every 2 years I will be able to use it for 5, and if I open the “used devices” drawer and decide to fix some shit from there I will be able to do so? WHERE IS THE FUCKING DOWNSIDE FAGGOT

>>714274572
So I pay more upfront but it will last longer, I call it a win.

THIS IS FUCKING COMMUNISM

>>714274649
yes, fake shit

>>714274637
>just make a good faith effort and you are good bro
Great fucking "law".

>>714274701
Retard this assumes the games are released after the law has passed.

>be someone who never spent a dime on any live service games ever
>don't give a fuck about this movement
Why don't you retard just play single player games instead of spending 500 dollars a week on gacha and cosmetic for your dogshit chinkoid "game"

>>714274649
mfw 100k today

>>714274625
Tell your stupid whore of a mother that the burden lies with the community and not the developers, dumb cunt.

im really curious how it would work with something like pic related
this games entire physics is engine is tied to THE CLOUD
does that mean Microsoft would have to support it forever?

>>714274625
retarded aqua poster

>>714274729
no you will be buying a 1000 euro phone every 5 years instead of a 150 euro one every 2 years
thats the fucking downside you braindead nigger

>YESSSSSSS I LOVE COMMUNISM IN MY BING BANG WAHOOO SO MUCH
you are all mentally ill

>>714274170
And we will make those license terms illegal

>>714271051
WW3 starts and it's civilians vs corporations

>>714274757
This is what happens when youtubers take notice of things.

I support this initiative but >>714274625 is unironically 100% without any irony making me reconsider my support.

>>714271051
>Realistically, what is going to happen.

1. Some of the signatures were wrongly inputted (picked wrong country, wrote ID number wrong), and will be thrown out.
2. If the remainder is still over 1 million, Ross's chosen politician palls (the Pirate Party senators) will talk about this initiative in the EU senate.
3. There currently objectivey is a lack of legal framework, so some ambitious politician will suggest something, to make his career out of it.
4. Hopefully Ubisoft/EA/whoever won't bribe them, and the trendy anti-americanism among EU federalists will carry us forward.
5. Probably publishers will sell off their dying games to some dead game morgue company, that will specialize in keeping them just baaaaarely alive (think of free2play MMORPGs maintenance companies).

My opinion.

30 days before closing
hope we get 100% COME ON LETS GIVE IT ENERGY!!!!

>>714274753
This is my last reply because you’re a retard, but a lot of laws rely on good faith. Maybe you’ll learn that when you go back to school in the fall.

>>714274625
Rape her with love to guarentee offspring that can keep supporting the game.

>>714274820
>t. kike

>>714271051
The mold takes over Ross and he finally makes THE MOVIE

>>714274741
yeah you pay multiple times over
I am glad you got money but most of europe lives on like 7euro / hour wages
for most people buying a phone 4 times pricier upfront isnt an option

>>714274796
Wait what?
I remember pirating this. I remember it being an exceptional case and needing a specific windows update, but it did work offline.

>>714274458
>It's vague on purpose. It's flexible on purpose because it's not a law.
I don't think I need to explain to you why such a vague campaign can be manipulated and twisted, right?
>This is not an argument
It's always an argument because the final choice is always on you. If you buy something you didn't like then that's on you, grow up and take responsibility for your own actions.

>>714274745
erm, based?

>Eat my entire ass, just once
>please, my ass hasn't been eaten in days
>I worked at blizzard for 7 years, my ass deserves to be eaten
>I'm good at puzzles games, my reward is getting my ass eaten

>>714274820
>pro-ownership is communist now

>>714274796
If you down syndrome ape would had read anything you'll know the petition doesn't ask for retroactive application.

>>714274894
>thinking I dont know about the law
lmao if only you knew who I am

I thought it was 72% yesterday? this is going way too fast.

>>714273281
Its easier to do something than to do nothing, currently EULAs like "we are free to cancell your service at any point" are literally illegal, yet there's no law to handle this break of the law.

>>714274753
>Retard this assumes the games are released after the law has passed.
Where? :^)

>>714271298
It's for the future. I spent hundreds of dollars on Xbox live games and can't play any of them now. I don't want that for the future gamers and no one should.

>>714274572
yes, they really believe that

>>714271051
Whether anything comes of it or not, the showing means game companies will take it seriously. Doing so is in their own best interest, and we've seen this plenty of times in the past; corporations would always prefer to make a good-faith effort if it prevents potential legal requirements. Vidya industry lobbyists will convince the elderly lawmakers that unkilling games (and saving the lives of any games released in the next 1-2 years) would be prohibitively expensive, but will concede that they can design future games with this issue in mind. Every GaaS from that point on will have all of its server check-ins tied to a simple flag that any jeet can toggle in 10 seconds of work, barebones server kits will be maintained and kept ready for release at EoL, and that'll be the end of it.

It's me or Uniteddensies are a little buthurted?

>>714274812
I've never paid more than 100e for a phone and never will.
My current phone is 7 years old and works perfectly well

>>714274423
I think he would've been proud

>>714274812
>no you will be buying a 1000 euro phone every 5 years instead of a 150 euro one every 2 years
But where do you get those numbers? Does a new law force me to get a new phone every 2 or five years?

>>714271051
PirateSoftware deletes his channel.

>>714274796
no because its not retroactive at this point

>>714274625
Fuck them kids.

>>714274689
And that's covered by copyright you moron.

>>714271630
>Elon isn't a super liberal lefty anymore so this means he's verboten
Oh fuck off you pearl clutching retard.
He's one of the most important figures of our current age and because he isn't aligning politically 100% with you he's a NAZI!!!
You aligning with SKG is more detrimental than Elon giving it his endorsement. I'm so tired of you crying fags, and glad that the tide has turned so much against you.

>>714271051
Realistically? Way down in the fine print on the box or store page, in the "online connection required" type stuff no one actually reads, there's going to be an "Expected End of Service Date: 20XX*" warning. And that asterisk is going to effectively invalidate the entire warning.

Eu is not a democracy. They will just discuss it and say fuck no while slapping an additional 20% breathing tax.

I've sent a mail to four different mid-size ecelebs from my yuropoor country and none of them responded. I know since there's a drama associated with it now it's less safe to talk about it but still. What's funny is that another mid sized eceleb did a video saying the initative is dead right after Ross' video and all the comments read like "how come it's the first time we're hearing of this?"

>>714271242
Ross is a citizen of Poland

>>714274812
Read a book on economics retard.

>>714274651
>You would quite literally need the software/binaries relating to the game.
NTA but you don't. Games have been kept alive based on whispers of a fucking protocol alone. If you released a thin layer that did nothing but have a bunch of interfaces to services, it's still better than nothing.
This is also not unique to games. SaSS has faced this issue and B2B companies have offered this as a feature. Look at SalesForce.

>>714275049
based foreign demoralization bot

>>714275042
>He's one of the most important figures of our current age
He's rich, that doesn't mean he's important

>>714271126
REMINDER TO ALSO BACK THE UK PETITION
If it gets to 100k, they have to discuss it!!

>>714274065
It's vague on purpose, as a sign of good faith from the organisers. Over-regulation (something like "the customer needs to have 100% of the features before shutdown") is just sometimes not feasible. Technical issues, licensing issues (e.g. gacha collabs) might stop developers from implementing every little thing.

>>714274625
You don't understand how laws are made.

>>714271051
Anon from the future here. This will be the catalyst that starts WW3.

>>714275049
EU loves stomping on uppity coroporations

>>714275070
No, he's just a resident.

>>714274864
Then you're a retarded nigger because you can't read the big read letters that say devs don't have to maintain servers forever.

>>714274820
>owning things is communism

I do not give a fuck about this campaign except that I heard it will hurt game companies somehow so I 100% support it.

>>714275050
Look at the countries petition percentage. The poorfag countries have the lowest percentage.
The biggest corporate cuck is always the poorfag.

>>714275113
They'll just laugh at it and suck some more brown dick

>>714274651
>Are you going to pay for that software?
Well, I did pay for software to host several 2005 SWBF servers. Did so for 5 years. So, depending on the game, yeah.
>You literally have to obtain a new license depending on what you're doing. That's also why those smash tournaments were taken down. The game alone only granted them a private license but because they were streaming they needed a public one which they didn't have.
Lawyers can work that out. It's literally their job. And it sounds like they already did from your example.
>You would quite literally need the software/binaries relating to the game.
The fact that's your response means you don't understand shit about code. If I'm running the server, there's no need for backed like matchmaking, he'll, if anything I'd want to turn off the proprietary anti cheat, too.
As simply as possible, shut up. It 20 years when Leagues servers shut down and I decide I want to play. If the price of playing league is I don't have access to leaderboards and cosmetics? Guess I'll suck it up.
>You're saying this as someone who blindly follows an ignorant American YouTuber who doesn't want to take responsibility of his own actions.
I don't know who you're talking about and I don't care.

>>714275147
Gamers were the most oppressed group after all

>>714274823
So your objective was always to kill ownership and allow mega corporations like Disney and Sony to steal ideas from others and push out competition

>>714274959
NTA but you’re claiming a kid would be on the hook because their dad made a game

>>714273463
I don't live in the totalitarian nanny state that is europe so kek.
>>714274353
Delusional europoor spotted. Why do they lie so blatantly? The biggest contribution of the last 15 years is pic related.

>>714275162
Where does it say that? Where does it say for how long they have to keep it playable? Because everywhere it says it's forever

>inb4 no good faith reply only insults

I don’t know who this Thor fella is but he must be ultra giga based if he’s got this many people seething mad.

>>714275187
My country has passed the 100% threshold (western yurop)

>>714274796
>THE CLOUD
yes, a server.....

>>714274494
>EULA's are so big, you dont even know what your signing for, thats terror, terror built right into the game
>Do you ever ask what it's all for? The DRM, the MTX, the gambling addiction psychologists? Is that gaming?

>>714274934
Me: "I think factories should have safety standards"
(You): "That's too vague"

>>714273618
ebussy my beloved...

>>714274754
To be honest I'm only supporting it because it makes Pirate Software seethe and he owes me 5000 in back then money for some furry shit.

>>714271051
nothing, as usual

>>714275187
Spain, Poland and Hungary are some of the biggest percentages

>>714274625
ezpz

>>714274934
>I don't think I need to explain to you why such a vague campaign can be manipulated and twisted, right?
You do. This is mostly to make the issue visible.
>It's always an argument because the final choice is always on you. If you buy something you didn't like then that's on you, grow up and take responsibility for your own actions.
No it isn't. You keep digging yourself into that retarded hole.

>>714275236
Just rip the cap off

>>714275232
I just did CTRL + F and I have 273 (you)s in this thread (some of them being my own replies) it's literally over half of the thread. You faggots danced in my hand.

>>714275236
>Europe
>state
Are you being retarded on purpose or is it because you're brown?

>>714275113
>implying it won't get the same exact copy-pasted answer for the third time in a row

>>714274820
>communism is bad now
keep sucking, the cum will eventually sustain you nutritionally

>>714275049
>the mutts are projecting their political cuckoldry again

>>714273427
I prefer the bipolar bitch that is Alice

>>714275248
You are spiritually dead. Born as a turd and will die as a turd. Have a belief other than hatred for your fellow man.

>>714275260
Rhetoric. Always more rhetoric!

>>714275236
Do people not understand putting the cap on the side.

>>714275013
no you dont have to you just wont have the option to buy a cheaper one
or do you really think it will be profitable for a company to keep up dev and parts support for a 5/7 year old 150 euro phone?
>>714275005
ok but you simply wont have the option to buy a cheap phone anymore since phone companies need to account for 5/7 years of developement costs and parts costs

>>714273045
Yes.

>>714271051
Digital Goods and Internet right now are still in their Wild West state.
Everyon can do the fuck they want, as long as there is no rule that dictates otherwise.
Just think about all the ponzi schemes with those NFTS and shit that is not Bitcoin. Yeah, there is still no regulation there.
Every single time we try to fix something, old boomers need to understand the situation and try to formulate rules that can apply. With digital stuff this process takes 4, even 6 times, the effort and the time usually required to make a law.
So, nobody actually knows.
If autstics spergers incels goes to the EU, we are fucked. If cool chads goes to EU and are able to actually talk to the boomers, explaining the problems and the possible solutions, we are golden.

>>714271763
That makes no sense, and an EULA can't override the law. For example, if you sign a contract giving someone permission to kill you and they do, it's still illegal.

>>714274958
>>714274994
>>714275025
the game still hasnt shutdown surprisingly,

>>714275190
Gold.

>>714275236
Based EU making life harder for retards.

>>714271051
I expect the EU will write some rules where you need to have end of life support unless you explicitly tell players you don't intend to have it, rather than requiring it.

>>714275190
Made it a gif for ya, man.

>>714275109
Come on now, It's not just his cash. He literally holds the keys to space for the western world on top of having starlink, a strategic company for political, military and commercial operations allover the world.
Even if you dislike him, you can't deny his importance.

>>714275381
They wan't us to think that the problem with EU is shit like this.

this is the gayest reddit tier shit I've seen on /v/
I'll go write my local congressman about it

>>714275157
like they did with SAP, volkswagen, bmw... oh wait no the eu just loves trying to fill their pockets by suing american ones

>>714271051
Buy 2 Play as a concept will die faster than it already is.
More F2P slop because devs/publishers can just go
>Well the game is free and "micro"transactions don't count as you owning a license to the game :^)

This whole thing is pointless and will just accelerate the total F2P/gachaslop-ification we're seeing right now.
F2P games will still legally go EOS.

Well I guess at least brainlet Anons will feel good about their slacktivism on here.

>>714275301
but chudda what if...

>>714275190
>>714275353
The tolerant SKG initiative

>>714275470
>oh wait no the eu just loves trying to fill their pockets by suing american ones
Shit, and I thought the EU was not based

>>714275463
the eu is fully of annoying shit like this
one of the greatest feeling about going on a vacation outside of it was being able to use plastic straws

>>714271896
Nepo baby

>>714272810
>Inorganic
It's as organic as it gets. EU doesn't need a citizen's initiative to meddle and corporations do not benefit from change to status quo.
>No one cares
"You will own nothing" was received very poorly across the EU showing owning things is actually important to people. Granted, this is /v/ so you would be correct in saying that the people here do not actually care about video games.
>Hate campaign against POPULAR streamer
Jason, us this really you posting? The amount of narcissism oozing out from this line makes me think it could actually be the guy himself or at the very least directly from his mouth.
>Politically motivated
I guess if you want to define preservation of art and consumer rights as agendas but there's no grab of power and the movement lacks any real structure. It's also a nonpartisan issue as I implied previously.

Isn't this not about devs giving perpetual support but instead giving the community at least an SDK/Server Tools to keep the games alive, kinda like Pretendo (unofficial but still)?

>>714274398
Completely incorrect. The only thing that happens is that you have to install some random plugin that makes your site GDPR-compliant for EU-connections and those are safe and free. Making a webshop is more of a hassle but there's plugins and short tutorials for how to work that in too.
t. Euro that has operated a Website for a game while being a developer for it.

>>714275032
It's not. Design documents can be but the idea of having a chat service cannot be copyrighted because it's an idea
https://www.marx.com/en/knowledge/software-protection/copyright-software-architecture

>>714275467
The US congress has nothing to do with this though lol

>europoors doing stupid shit again
why is it always the white people who try to make the quality of life better in any way

>>714275190
>the half a second where it shows his second life fursona

>>714275513
nope

>>714275557
I always find it fascinating that americans care for the most useless shit in existence. To them the greatest offenses that can exist are paper straws and their coca cola bottles having a cap but nothing else.

>>714275575
>the people here
"people"

>this whole thing is pointless don’t even try!!!!!
you’re doing something right, bros. Fuck Yarvin

>>714275550
its indeed really based how they have an unelected bureaucrat class that will put you in jail for hate speech
so based bro...

>>714273671
>Just don't shit on my plate,
This is unreasonable. You're demanding that every developer builds a toilet in every dining room in the world and flushes them forever.

>>714275547
>eat my le entire ass

>>714275485
Finally. I'm free from both video games and 4chan

>>714272810
>>Very likely politically motivated
It's a zigger campaign to damage the western games industry so they can push their zigger trash like atomic heart

>>714275580
>>714275398
>>714275436

>>714275557
Yeah, those are two of the great problems of the EU.

ross was planning this masterpiece for years! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-pHlZ1cINo

>>714273132
>buy it on GOG.
stfu nigger retard
If you have to "pay" for any GOG game, you better learn how to pirate some old shit, you imbecile

Reminder that this movement is entirely botted. Ross buys boughts from the same place Larian does for BG3. china. These are chinese shill bots.

>>714271051
Always bet on nothing

>>714275602
it's a rhetorical statement
time to go play games instead of acti/v/ism simulator

>>714275547
Tolerance has never been a virtue when resulting in getting taken advantage of

>>714275638
the US police no knocked raided an old guy and shot him in his sleep because of a facebook post

>>714274754
>huge fan of Blue, no microtransactions, battlepass or anything, want to see where the story goes
>publisher sees the rest of the industry go all in on live service
>Blue 2 is still just as good in gameplay and story, but is now online only and saddled with all the other bullshit that comes with it
>you either suck it up and compromise your values to continue playing your favourite series, then see Blue 3 get made with even more restrictions, and eventually lose access to Blue 2
>or you stand by your principles, game fails and sequel never gets made, Blue 2 shuts down without you ever getting to experience any of the good parts

>>714274969
>its illegal
>theres just no law saying its illegal

>>714275248
here's a qrd:
>Jason "Thor" Kotick is working on a video game for 10 years now
>never finished despite taking money
>now he wants to abandon it and run away with money at the same time as The Crew did
>people mad at Thor, create a petition for him to finish the game or give money back
>but hold on, he's an "indie" dev (despite being a Blizzard executive and his dad being the CEO)
>people decide to use The Crew as a scapegoat to launch the petition because it's more likely to pass
>hundreds of thousands of signatures just to see a random furry Blizzard dev mad

>>714275236
Is this supposed to be a joke? It's the same bottle and you can literally see the cap is still attached on the top picture, he just spun it around to the side but it's still visible under his nose.

>>714275701
Funnily enough, TB's legacy lives on in the FoV sliders.

>>714275732
>boughts
Text-to-speech spammer

>>714275580
Thats a potential solution but not directly demanded.
Players should be able to launch and play the games they've bought, whether they have to connect to a local host or private server it doesn't matter

>>714275780
Eat my ENTIRE ass

>>714273192
WHY RETARDS DO NOT UNDERSTAND WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR INFINITE WORKING SERVERS?!
JUST GAVE US THE TOOLS TO MAKE OUR OWN PRIVATE SERVERS, IF THAT'S TOO MUCH TO KEEP ACTIVE A GAME, FOR CHRIST SAKE.

>>714275760
There is a law saying its illegal. There's no law saying what to do about it.

>>714271896
>Muh creative freedom to fuck over my paying customers

>>714271896
>the jew cries out as he takes your money

>>714270980 (OP)
This is where it ends. You won't reach the 1million. You lost :3

>>714275831
Because Thor is in these threads quintupling down on his awful reading comprehension

>>714275371
>>714275780
>NEETs seething mad at someone for committing the crime of being smarter and more successful than they are
same as it ever was, I suppose

The absolute seethe coming from corpo shills and retards sustains me like a lich.

>>714275638
>>714275550
Its possible for two things to be true at once:
1) EUrocrats making good consumer-protection-laws which generates tons of goodwill
2) EUrocrats siphoning taxmoney to have comfy unelected office seats and infringing on nations capacity for sovereignty

>>714275632
>americans
I am european you fucking retard

>>714275831
Because they use English as their first language.

>>714275701
I miss TB so much. Now the biggest voice in "gaming" is some fag who just lays down and swallows up the cum of the gaming industry.

>>714273740
>no, pls, I beg you, do not omologate shit, I want my 23432 cables to use my 3 fisher price devices in my home
why ameritards are so stupid?

>>714275752
>sequel of a game suddenly became gacha always online garbage
Thing that never happened to any games ever

Reminder that this movement is entirely botted. Ross buys bought from the same place Larian does for BG3. china. These are chinese shill bots.

>>714275747
the eu jailed a guy for 10 years for songs
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55918156

There are starving game developers in africa who can’t afford to provide private server support, have a heart

>>714275927
Is that so? Why don't you tell us what country you are from, then?

>>714275964
>is some fag who just lays down and swallows up the cum
who?

>>714275909
I cannot comprehend why anyone would go to bat for corporations like Ubisoft screwing them over, but here we are

I don't know what part of this message is spam, but the point is: EU has proven it will eagerly pass laws against big american tech corporations.

Bootlickers will argue against anything.
If the initiative just campaigned for service games to clearly state their expiration date they would still just go:
>NOOO, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL YOU WHEN THE GAME ENDS. IT ENDS WHENEVER I WANT TO!!!

>>714275557
>fully of

>>714276023
EU

>>714275927
What country and region then.

>>714276036
Correct, status quo brains are hard wired to assert radical normalcy.

>>714275990
He was briefly in a Detective Nigbone episode!

>>714276028
That Asmongold fucker. Every single time I've seen something from him he's running defense for these shitty studios.

>>714273778
The floor is higher as a % of population because it can't go lower than 4230 signatures. They're doing well in the per capita department.

thank you american moldman for leading the eurosheep

>>714276034
Could be the micro word, /v/ has a bunch of filters put to kill console war discussion. One of the few good things ever done to improve discourse here, desu.

>>714276128
true fuck this snake rat roach hybrid

>>714275997
They didn't arrest him for songs, they arrested him for illegal posesion of multiple firearms. Singing that you will shoot foreigners, while actually owning illegal guns, is a credible threat.