So, if Christmas exist does that mean Jesus exists?
Do all monsters celebrate Christmas or are the Holidays just weird?
Is the "Delta Rune" religion just Christianity with the addition of an exclusively monster belief or is it a completely unrelated religion which's rituals and places of worship resemble Christianity?

Christianity DOES exists in the world of Undertale/Deltarune, but the religion practiced in the game is Islam

Jesus existed in Deltarune, Toby will reveal the resurrection happened because his monster friend merged their souls together.
Source: My dad works at RoyalSciences LLTD

>>714551060 (OP)
no it means that christmas is a cool concept and that you should keep your cult where it belongs (far away from normal people)

>>714551237
based and giftpilled. people really out here trying to lore-depth analyze a pixel game holiday like it's the Dead Sea Scrolls. sometimes a candy cane is just a candy cane, bro. not every in-universe event needs a theological dissertation.

>>714551060 (OP)
Did you know? Jesus birthday wasnt exactly on the 25th of december, the christmas we celebrate was just a celebration of the winter solstice

>>714551489
How is that related to the fact that "Christmas" exists in deltarune?

What is up with the captchas?
it's making me wait for every post and when the timer runs out if I don't immediately generate a captcha it will make me wait again

>>714551060 (OP)
There isn't a single crucifix in Deltarune

>>714551940
>How is that related to the fact that "Christmas" exists in deltarune?
Jesus has nothing to do with Christmas in Deltarune, just like irl

>>714551489
Aye, I believe according to tradition He was crucified on His birthday, and that was probably April 3rd, 33 AD

>>714551060 (OP)
Toby has to be hinting at it at least a little, their antlers are crosses

>>714552176
CHRIST MASS

How do you get the code to mikes room legitimately?

>>714552124

>>714553415
that is a +

>>714553415
clearly not a crucifix

>>714553415
I want to fuck her asshole

Do Undertale/Deltarune players know they're a laughing stock on the same level as trannies?

>>714553564
Do you?

Have you guys seen the Noelle cuck shitposts that originated here are starting to spread to xitter?
The tranny-fanbase isn't too pleased with their favourite lesbian getting reduced to cuck jokes, so they're just screaming shit like.
>"THEY'RE LITERALLY TEENAGERS OMG HOW COULD YOU MAKE A KEK JOKE?!"
Meanwhile you go to their account and it's just all comments under Susie x Noelle porn.

>>714553829
cuckelle is going hard on tiktok comments

>>714553829
>Have you guys seen the Noelle cuck shitposts that originated here are starting to spread to xitter?

Based

>>714553829
Talking to non-japs on twitter was your first mistake.

>>714553415
It's an image of a save point.

>>714553829
>Have you guys seen the Noelle cuck shitposts that originated here are starting to spread to xitter?
When wasn't the last time 4chan memes leaked into the mainstream? now only slang is just 4chan slang but cleaner and "less-offensive"

>>714554664
>only
*online

>>714554662
>harrowing situation in the Light World
>desperately need a save point
>just grab MK's boob
>it works

>family obsessed with Christmas which lives in an Animal Crossing-style Christmas themed house
>goes to a church for a different religion
This is probably common irl too

>>714551237
Christianity is the norm by definition THOUGH.

>>714555228
if everyone in your town said that god told them to jump off a cliff, would you?

>>714551060 (OP)
Jesus was the first monster people killed

>>714551060 (OP)
Jesus and Christmas exist in Deltarune because Jesus and Christmas exist in real life, and there is a direct diegetic pipeline from real life to Deltarune.

>>714552124
>he doesn't know

>>714555345
>Gaster and Knight have holes in their hands
>Jesus was nailed by his hands to the cross
>The Holidays' antlers are cross shaped

why is this boy (female) so lithe?
you're think a hero would be sturdier

>>714555280
You mean like when Satan told Jesus to jump off a cliff and Jesus says "You shall not put the Lord your God to the test".

>>714555509
its so that [the girl] can use him as a throwing dagger

>>714555468
All of this is intentional, although probably only symbolically.

>>714555509
He's DPS, the DEX player.

>>714555612
in this hypothetical god told them to, not satan.
dont try to get around the question.

>>714555280
Why would God ask you to needlessly fling yourself off a cliff? Like have some sense to at least assume it would be the devil that told you or the town that.

>>714555708
>>714555659

>>714555345
>>714555468
>Gaster
>Easter
>He has stigmatas

HOLY SHIT

>>714555612
What about the time when god asked that guy to sacrifice his son and when he refused he punished him because he was supposed to blindly follow what he said and have faith in his divine plan?

Will Noelle recognize her child if they ever meet again?

The Deltarune religion is inspired by Christianity but is not actually Christian because it does not worship the Trinity. At best the "Angel" in their religion has the same sort of relationship like the Valar in LotR.

I do find it interesting how Asriel is zealous enough that he intuitively rejects the "no concept of sin" in the Deltarune religion.

>>714555870
That bastard serves me now, the second I can I'm siccing it on her like a pit bull on a toddler.

>>714555989
>thinking Friend serves (You)
lol
haha

>>714556023
My FRIEND wouldn't lie to me. Maybe yours is a faggot but not mine.

>>714555969
that's because toriel used to punish asriel and kris for 'sinning'
kris didn't care, which is why asriel took it upon himself to be extra virtuous for kris
i wouldn't be surprised if asriel dropped the religion while he was away, unless he's still scared of toriel

>>714555612
You should read The Grand Inquisitor, a chapter of The Brothers Karamazov by Dostoyevsky.

It presents a hypothetical where Christ returns and reviews the outcomes of Satan's three temptations atop the Temple. If anything at all it's a nice story.

>>714555659
I am sorry anon but your hypothetical violates God's very nature assuming you mean to say that God wants me to hurt myself in this hypothetical scenairo. It's self contradictory.

>>714556457
god is no stranger to harm and murder.
learn your own religious code.

>>714556162
Are we posting Crusade media here? The Seventh Seal is a pretty good

>>714555836
Literally didn't happen. The guy said yes and he was rewarded without having to kill his son. You're confusing some atheist fanfiction with the book you haven't read.

Who’s the Deltarune version of Jesus?

>>714556531
Unironically? Kris.

nerf the knight

>>714551060 (OP)
Monster Christmas has nothing to do with Christianity and the resemblance is just a funny coincidence. It comes from monsters giving gifts to Gyftrot as an apology for hoodlums decorating it as a prank.

>>714555836
thats not what happened at all retard, and im not even religious. Thats Cain and Abel. Cain took his brother out of envy from Abels sheep sacrifice. He struck his own brother down from that. God didnt tell him ever to murder his brother.

>>714556510
God never murdered anyone though and only allows harm because an all powerful God should be able to do good through harm by defition of omnipotence.

Toby's trying to play both sides by using clearly Christian imagery but having their religion not be Christian actually.

But like, you can't not see the connection when Kris is a little shit that kept red horns as a kid and Noelle is a super "nice" girl that keeps her old childhood religious pageant wings.

>>714556510
we talking the demiurge or Monad/God?

>>714556789
hes doing it well which is nice.

>>714551060 (OP)
Why did Toby made this scene? Doesn't he think Susie should be with Noelle?

In chapter 7 The Angel will descend and he will be literally Jesus Christ

God doesn’t talk to us because God doesn’t like us

>>714556815
polyamory

>>714556774
>God never murdered anyone though
wow you're very very wrong!
you genuinely could not be more wrong.
he turned a city to salt and flooded the world because a few angels got horny.

>>714555280
Not unless they could prove God actually said it, and also wanted me to do it too.

>>714556885
i can turn that same argument around on your faith as a whole.
prove god is real.

>>714551060 (OP)
>undertable/deltarune
>less of 16 colors, visuals are monochrome, same that any modern pixelart game
>no sprite scaling or more of two frames of animations, battle backgrounds are always in black color
>dungeons are linear

>>714555836
That never happened.

>>714556846
>Youre really just gonna forgive me for killing all those people?

Don't care, Susie will canonically kill God, the Angel, and any other shitter out there.

>>714553829
Thats mostly because Suselle fags became nervous after they realised they are losing power after chapter 4 dropped. They started to go heavily against Krusie after Toby made the "rest chin on your head" post

>religious shitflinging thread
Yeah I’ll just wait till tomorrow’s thread, good night gents

>>714556513
I've known about The Seventh Seal for over a decade and haven't watched it. Is it actually good or is it some kind of overhyped old movie. I'm not saying old movies are bad, 12 Angry Men is good, but most of them were terrible.

>>714556990
>shitflinging
>chapter 4 is a literal chapel darkworld
>doesnt realize toby grew up small town religious

Zoom on fag.

>>714556951
I don't believe it until she can beat K. Round in a fight

>>714556863
Those are two seperate events in the bible. The men lusted after the angels, not vice versa. God's actions cannot be defined as murder because murder is defined as an unlawful killing.

>>714556863
>he turned a city to salt
Sodom was a city of homosexual rapists. He sent a pair of angels to get Lot out of there, and then a mob of homos followed them to Lot's house and demanded he turned them over so they could rape them. And then afterwards, Lot spent weeks trying to find just ten good people aside from himself and his family in that city so that God would spare it and he found not a single one.

>>714557006
It's a bit much for a lot of people since it's slow, but most will connect to the idea of losing faith in the face death/painful events

>>714554408
I love this image so much

I do like how religion in Deltarune, even in a cringe milquetoast format, is portrayed as a positive social element. It makes the small town feel much more alive.
>>714557006
Slow ≠ bad. Tarkovsky films are basically unwatchable for modern audiences yet are masterpieces.

>>714556863
>doesnt realize the old testament is nothing but warning after warning for groups of people to stop being fucking awful
>awful people get fucked by God
>the good dont.

Its why its called Gods angry Adventures.

>>714551060 (OP)
dog is god backwards
kris(t) is the second coming of je'sus

>>714556907
Fair enough, but no one is asking you to jump off a cliff. Bigger asks require more evidence.

>>714551489
But we still celebrate it on Christmas 25th, so it's pretty much his birthday

>>714557169
>billions will freeze

>everyone wants to summon their vessel in the gang's moment of need
>meanwhile friskGAWDS summoning from their UT pacifist save
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrBUjXaRSUQ

>>714557085
>sanctuary has 0 actual real life religious shit
>even the church segment is just generic mass bits with zero focus to them outside of allusions to the prophecy, if that
>implying anybody cares about Tobius' life since it's not like he's fucking self inserting himself into it to make that any relevant
Kill yourself and make sure everybody knows about it.

>>714557140
>>714557160
>>714557206
>uh yeah bro the all powerful god that can just change the things he doesnt like is actually justified in murder
>no stop it ignore the fact that he can make those homos straight
this is an UT/DR thread, you should've learned this in undertale: if you have the power to solve something without murder then it is your moral obligation to do so.

Reminder that the town's religion was grown out of Lord of the Hammer
He is the L Ron Hubbard of monsters

>>714557163
I'll give it a go thanks - one thing that has held me back is the fact that it's been 10 years since someone else has mentioned that movie. When it comes to crises of faith my top story is 3:10 to Yuma, the one with Christian Bale and Russel Crowe. It's a Western so it's a pretty clear Good vs Evil story but Christianity (or lack thereof) plays a large part in the characters' actions.

>>714557326
i thought it was the other way around
lord of the hammer was based on the prophecy in the angel religion, and then dragon blazers was based on loth

>>714553829
>muh twitter teenagers
I do not care.

>>714557085
damn nigga you got a nerve struck luhmeow

>>714555989
>"Greetings. You have made yourself completely clear. Understood.I, your humble servant, will follow you to the utmost..."
Is it really another reincarnation of Chara? Not literally Chara, but another manifestation of (You)r insatiable desire?

>>714555708
Why would God ask you to kill your only son for no reason? Like have some sense to at least assume it would be the devil that told you or the town that.

>>714557305
He tried convincing them. If he's mind controlling them into being good, why even keep them around at all? Really that sounds worse than just killing them.

Is Ralsei supposed to be a useless piece of shit sponge in the Jevil fight

>>714556853
>polyamory

>>714557491
he made the people like that in the first place.

realistically speaking, how does one top this?
https://files.catbox.moe/ljwz8f.mp3

>>714555728
How are you certain that it was God, and not Satan pretending to be God?
>Just have faith
but what if you were actually having faith in Satan's word

I wonder if Toby originally meant to make Monster Kid not a part of the Deltarune religion, but then change his mind later. The fact that he wears a cross despite being part of a church that doesn't use crosses is weird.

I know you’re just arguing that free will is bad and sucking corporate boot that controls every part of your life is actually based and tradpilled, you little piggy

>>714557254
>"It's over. Hometown has fallen."
>"Billions must freeze."
>She says as she glares through the window with the SOUL hovering next to her, as Kris pounds Susie.

>>714557305
>you should've learned this in undertale
Underwho?

>>714557495
He's useless in general.

Was Noelle, in fact, unraped?

>>714557495
his heal is nice((if you can land it)
you need him alive to cast pirouette, and to cast pacify at the end

>>714556728
Why is it still called Christmas and not Gyftmas?

>>714557473
>Why would God ask you to kill your only son for no reason?
God demanded it as a demonstration of faith - you had to trust that God would not steer you wrong. Keep in mind, it was clearly and obviously God - I don't think anybody would logically refuse God if it was absolutely 100% actual God telling you.

God turned he knife at the last moment before he killed his son.

>>714557495
Keeping Ralsei alive to cast Pacify at the end is the true difficulty of sparing Jevil

>>714557559
He won't. Spamton and everything related to Spamton was gold

I need a Ralsei analog for my fangame. The character I thought of would work better as an NPC.

>>714557709
>>714557748
But I need to KILL jevil

>>714557524
They made themselves like that. The entire point of people is that we aren't just brainless animals or soulless automatons. We have the ability to feel and make choices. That's what the "In God's image" line means. We think and choose our actions just like he does, obviously not to the same extent, but we do make decisions purposely with intention and understanding.

Homosexual degenerates (distinct from regular homosexuals, the people in sodom were well beyond that) chose to be the worst of the worst. And were given every opportunity to change, yet still persisted in their evil.

At that point the only left to do was remove them.

>>714557805
Then Ralsei is a spare health bar and item turn.

>>714557808
>We think and choose our actions just like he does, obviously not to the same extent, but we do make decisions purposely with intention and understanding.
this says more about god than you think it does
>"BEHOLD! a truly thinking machine, i even made it behave like i would"
>"BEEP BOOP RAPE MURDER GAY SEX DRUGS!"

>>714557714
Maybe that particular Gyftrot was named Christopher.

>>714557305
By what basis do you judge God's actions?

>>714557676
She was never raped
Kris was the one violated, you took away his choice

>>714556728
The stories of Santa and Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer exist in UT/DR.
The Gyftrot story is just Snowdin zoomers not knowing the true lore anymore.

>>714557952

>>714558005

>>714557802
Do you need one? Ralsei exists because of his role in the story of Deltarune and his relevance to its themes. Are you telling the same story? Do you need a character that covers the same themes in the same way?

You may need a third party member and he may need to be a healer, you may even need a darkner party member, but he need not be a Ralsei clone.

>>714557952
Dr. Seuss ahh font

>>714557140
What about that time God murdered infants in Egypt?

>>714551060 (OP)
Close. It's using the commercialized aspect as a shell for the "Priestess/Mage" archtype who has the position in Undertale Mythos as "The Angel" due to her write robes.

This is also reflectes in how "frozen in time" the matriarchal figure of the household has become with her having an obsession with it and keeping it up despite the festival being something Halloween related (Given that is the only time Jackenstein comes out)

Lastly, it connects the unraveling story between the Holidays and Dreemurs and what the fuck is going on.

I mean, "The Roaring Knight" is clearly a parody on "Silent Night" the Christmas Carol

>>714557463
It's probably the other way around. Friend is saying that in Undertale, not Chara in Deltarune. Chara never refers to themselves as a servant, always a partner.

>>714557805
i think theres some scarf that is worse at magic but deals some nice damage

>>714557808
>The entire point of people is that we aren't just brainless animals or soulless automatons
>brainless animals
this is the crux of the issue, buddy
animals DO have brains, but they do not have sapience
that is the only thing separating them from us
yup
we are just animals that can make choices because of our sapience, which I assume you attribute to god, but I think it is actually the demiurge who gave made us this way just to troll us epic style

>>714558161
>Friend is saying that in Undertale

>>714557884
Morality can not exist without the capability to do evil. And if people are capable of doing evil and have the motive to do so, then some of them are going to choose it, some of them may even like it. That's the purpose of this life. To separate the wheat from the chaff, the moral from the immoral.

>>714558239
>tubi man
go back

>>714557984
Santa is Asgore and Rudolph is Rudy.

>>714553453
>>714553485
>not a crucifix
the jews would beg to differ

How are you going to feel when Kris uses you up and throws you under the bus with Ralsei?

>>714558339
ok counterpoint: they're fucking jews.

>>714557473
>Like have some sense
Please be aware that literally everyone except Abraham was sacrificing men, women, and children when this happened. Mothers were burying their infants alive under cornerstones to bless buildings and throwing them in fire pits beneath idols. That was what the universal standard was when God refused Isaac as a sacrifice.

>>714557463
>>714558161
maybe its the last embers of fanon brainrot i still have in me, but i always assumed that chara was talking to gaster in that text. which may or may not fit depending on how you interpret friend and its relationship to the handsman.

>>714558161
FRIEND isn't it Undertale. All those things people like to attribute to FRIEND are Chara and Flowey's doing. FRIEND is just their Deltarune equivalent. (Chara being the demon that comes when called, not Asriel's brother.)

>>714558384
I wouldn't mind being thrown under the covers with Ralsei.

>>714558207
>its not "God"
>its actually an evil middle manager god
Do gnostics really?

>>714558419
That is a completely fair interpretation based on the information that existed prior to literally a month ago.

>>714558328
Santa and Rudolph existed as concepts before Asgore and Rudy played those roles. They weren't their OCs.

>>714558179
nevermind theres no such thing, lame
i wish there was some way to make ralsei the highest damage dealer desu

>>714558384
>The red soul is Dess
>Knows how to play gutiar
That's really all I got. Along with
>Seen you before
When looking at Ralsei

>>714558452
actually, the demiurge is a trickster god, he is not evil, just quirky

Dess
After
Not
Surviving

>>714558568
That's literally what any evil fag would say though.

>>714558207
Gnosticism is the Kris third entity theory of religion. There's no amount of sound arguments or even hard evidence that would convince you to change your mind. You're just too schizo to accept a simple explanation.

>>714558239
The incredulity here either assumes that Toby Fox did not plan Deltarune's story in advance or that he did not include Deltarune mysteries in Undertale, both of which are incorrect. There are probably mysteries in Undertale which allude to Deltarune things we still don't even know about yet.

Deltarune epilogue will be a 20 minute scene of Kris and Susie passionately making love (and a baby]

>>714558520
>The soul is Dess
>it seems weird that Kris would hate it and beat the shit out of it in that case
>Asriel comes home at the very end and gives a "Dess... wasn't a very good person" speech

>>714558419
FRIEND is not some mythical Gaster agent or some bullshit, it's a reflection of you in your black screen. Seperated in the darker than dark.

You are The Angel, it is The Demon.
Demons tempt man, and FRIEND is tempting you.

Gaster is an observer, a scientist running a test. He wants to see how you react and change things.

>>714558484
this is me whenever I am given a choice to mindbreak my childhood friend

>>714558496
Maybe so, I think the real answer to all of this is just "don't think about it". The story very clearly isn't about that, so we probably shouldn't bother digging into it like this, because what we find is just going to be a bunch a nonsense that Toby never gave any thought to.

>>714558609
It's Toby fucking with Schizos again so they waste time instead of figuring out the story

No one predicted 3 or 4, every fan theory got giga shitted on(rightfully so)

The Mike room should tell you what he's doing, this time he's ahead of the retards spewing trash theories

>>714558484
Reminds me of madness combat for some reason

>>714555280
Are you under the impression that when people said things like this in the predominantly Christian 90s, that it was treated as normal behavior?

>>714558673
Jesus fuck all it took was rotating it to make it hilarious

Are the antennas hair, eyes or horns?

>>714558741
Joke's on him, I like being fucked with!

>>714558813
It's in the fucking name
They are antennae to receive signals, dumbass

>>714558440
That's unfalsifiable currently. Suffice it to say that on it's face there are multiple things in Undertale which point to Friend at first glance.

>>714558384
>kris throws us under the bus with ralsei
>we end up in the same space
>"hah [player] isnt that funny?"
>"i was so focused on keeping you happy that... that i didnt realize kris was going to do this..."
>its silent until you float into ralsei
>"oh! i-if thats what you want..."
>...
>"is it wrong to say that... one of my selfish desires is revenge?"
>"i know, its terrible. but... at the same time, wouldnt it be right to at least teach kris a lesson about betrayal?"
>* its normal
>"haha... thats... comforting to hear. thank you"
>...
>"the soul is a sorce of determination, the will to live. right?"
>"i wonder if... if we'll be able to leave the dark world if you try to leave. if you can keep me from fading in the light."
>"its worth a try. right?

>>714558609
I think he's right to say FRIEND is not in Undertale, just as he would be right to say Chara is not in Deltarune. The same Flowey and the Knight are exclusive to their respective universes.

>>714558895
>HOLY SHIT SOMEONE SMILING IT'S FRIEND

>>714558916
Then explain the demon in Undertale, fully.

Reminder that someone will die only to be revived next chapter.
He did learn from the best

>>714558741
I wanna see what fucking swerve he does with the Knight.

Because it's fucking balls deep in Dess being it.
>Antlers
>Deer Skull when roaring
>Zombie Deer Syndrome is a real thing apperently
>Roaring Knight is a play on "Silent Night" (Which oddly can describe what is happening in the story. We are trying to prevent the Roaring, because it will bring about nothingness in the end. A silent night. The other sides motive? Either doing that or attempting to ressurect a dead child at best or perfect eldritch killer at worst).

>>714551060 (OP)
The modern "Christmas" Christians celebrate has nothing to do with Jesus or Christianity. Snow, reindeers, or even December are completely unrelated to Jesus' birth

>>714559050
Reminder that Toby does not let other people write his stories.

>>714551237
As opposed to a fetish cult centered around some faggot's web comic turned vaporware indie game series, aka "normal" people, right?

>>714558895
You could also make the argument that FRIEND is actually just Chara if you really wanted to. If we go by how the rest of the game works and by what Toby has said, then these games are separate, but parallel, and anything in them is separate from the other game, but has an equivalent parallel in it.

Maybe there is a FRIEND in UT, but it is not the one in DR. And more likely its something else entirely, since that game already has an evil friend and a demon.

>>714558612
who's the donor? ralsei?

>>714559115
oh no, everyone's weird in some way anon.
BUT, "worship my dead best friend and consume his flesh and blood in church so that he can save you from a red guy with horns" is just as deranged as "i can be a woman because the doctor said so!"

>>714559084
when I saw her room which has those star and slashes stickers all over the closet I immediately internalized that dess is the knight

>>714556789
I don't play these games but from here that just looks like Robert's endorsement of one character's point of view, self-annointed as the moral one.

>>714559084
This shit is Friend Inside Me levels.

>>714559006
The demon is a reflection of (you) and your will to complete a game, to see and do everything in it until it is done. That demon became Chara that's what it had to latch on to, that name and backstory which you believed were yours. That's why it calls itself the demon that comes when called.

FRIEND is another demon, reflecting another concept, another desire. One which will no doubt be revealed in time. Maybe its a reflection of another aspect of (you), maybe not.

My demons are a bit different

Dess is a non-canon ARG character that will not be relevant to the game's story.

>>714559084
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t43ZIrsfof0
Tobert composed this 11 years ago, so this idea has been stewing for a while

Jevil mentions "A NIGHTMARE AWAKENING IN YOUR HEARTS" "IN THE SHADOW OF THE KNIGHT'S HANDS" so maybe it's a manifestation of Kris's regrets with what happened to Dess

>just finished reading the El Topo sequel
>Deltarune thread about Christianity

What the hell?

>>714557676

>>714559202
Baseball bat into a sword during the fight as well. The bat also being in the song you play for Tenna after he mentions her and her enjoyment of the music channel.

I'm just curious if Asgore did run her over or shoot her during a crime... OR... Fucked up demon shit with Kris

>>714559279
BEGONE, SECONDARY

>>714559387
the fanbase is finally piecing it together instead of talking about Toy Story. with a little help, obviously

>When the demon heart is crying~
>And the blood is gushing bright~
>Raise up your bat for the burning fight~

>>714559468
I like to think that the demon kris and catti tried to summon actually did appear and has been fucking shit up all over the hometown ever since, BOB style

>>714559191
Only Catholics believe in transubstantiation, and rightly get lambasted for it on a regular basis.

>>714559653
lmao
post denomination

>>714559360
Fair. I never did get to finish or understand the mistake of Hussie. I get to Chapter 5 before I bleed out of my eyesockets.

I'd argue that given the fact Undyne can use magic... It's something that has clearly been going on for sometime.

>>714559303
But the characteristics you are attributing to Chara are not of the demon, but of Chara the human. According to the 9th anniversary newsletter, Chara was always cursed with overambition and the desire to extract things to the brink of collapse, that has nothing to do with any other entity or anything supernatural at all. It's just a character trait of a disturbed human child.
I think you are confused by the fact that Chara calls themselves a demon, but I am of the firm belief that this is just a derogatory term for themselves and that they are in fact not possessed by some evil (FOURTH!) entity at the end of the Genocide route. If you operate under the assumption that the Demon of the demon text is not Chara, then you are left with a hole that only a certain smile can fill.

>>714559727
>denomination
What makes you think I need one?

>>714556815
Too slow!

>>714558609
Didn't Toby literally say the Undertale was his "test game" to see if he can pull of his "dream game"?

>>714555805
>ralsei is a bunny
WHAT DOES HE KNOW

>>714559818
MiniKris TANKS that r-right?

>>714559818
>gets rid of the mariest of sues in gaming
>fucks over the most annoying part of the fanbase
MY FUARKING HERO

>>714556815
>its now the most popular deltarune post pushed by algorithm
>99% sure Toby will see it
Did he won, predicting people will turn on Suselle?

>>714551060 (OP)
Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus.

>>714559818
>you are really the evil one and kris is the innocent cinnamon roll protecting everyone else from you
I can't believe this shit survived Chapter 4. I'm tired, (You)bros...

>the tv in chapter 2 does the shit eating grin
>tenna's vhs has him doing the shit eating grin
>there is an unused sprite of tenna doing the shit eating grin from chapter 2
>tenna does the shit eating grin during his battle
>the fandom: IT'S DUH KNIGHT!!!
It's terminal.

>>714558384
BETRAYED

>>714559818
so how fucked up does the timeline get if susie bites the dust like that in chapter 3
does gerson just trains kris instead?

>>714560001
To be fair, that shit eating grin literally turns into the knight after you finish the chapter

>>714559956
he is already doing victory laps, anon -> >>714556969

>>714551237
Russia solved this by taking all of the non-Christ parts of Christmas (pine decoration, gifts, magic gift delivery geezer, etc.) and assigned them to New Year, leaving Christmas as a purely religious holiday.

>>714560001
NO yYOU DONT UNDERSTAND
IT ALSO MEANS DESS SUCKED KRIS COCK

>>714559754
There has to be some shady aspect to Hometown, someone has to know something or the town is hiding a dark secret

I think the prophecy has happened before or something, but the whole human soul stopping fountains is putting a damper on that idea

Maybe Kris is just the latest sacrifice man there's so much shit that could happen

>>714559850
Yes, but there are still things to gleam from it. Certain characters and motives are still tied to Undertale. We are always gonna take that into consideration knowing how much of a nothing character Sans is in Deltarune... But he still expresses the same omniawareness his Undertale counterpart is in knowing more then he is letting on. But also to blindside us with say... Seeing Torial as actually neglectful of Kris despite how nice of a mother she is that Susie is jealous.

I can't help but feel that we're heading for a world of unending despair with these two

>your choices don't matter
>this soundtrack play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCoWQVHd-HM
>air crackles with freedom

>>714560098
>... that SOUL of yours. its a girl right? im trying to replace something

>>714556457
Unless you take the Gnostic interpretation of God.

>>714559970
Snowgrave is a thing for a reason, you are going to get shit on so hard in neutral even if you're a goody good good who tries to do everything right

>>714560180
that wasn't russia, that was communists who had to remove religious elements while maintaining the spirit of a holiday
christmas became new year, easter became 1st of match (labour day) etc.

>>714551237
>normal people

>>714559970
It's optional and it's what would have happened if Kris didn't move her out of the way in time. If you're one of those wingman cucks who tried to stab Susie it's entirely fair for Kris to be pissed at you.

>>714560242
why is the nigger jump in that video?

>>714560289
I keep trying to tell them, nothing we'll ever do for them will make Kris like us

>>714557305
Brother God is not a controlling Tyrant he lets people do what they want to do because he respects free will.

>>714560001
>>there is an unused sprite of tenna doing the shit eating grin from chapter 2
Wow, I really hate this

>>714560328
Wrong because I know I can either reset it or that he'd protect her.

>>714560414
WHERE'S HIS NOSE

>>714560345
he is the most popular celebrity with zoomers, anon

>>714559872
Ralsei will die for our sins

>>714560292
>that wasn't russia, that was communists
Both, it was the USSR.

>>714560374
>not a controlling tyrant and respects free will
>but if you dont worship him (sin: ego) and follow his very specific set of commands he'll send you to hell

>>714560282
Is there a single good reason to ever do that?

OC i just made
do you like it

You hear the Freedom motif, I hear Jevil battle theme, we are not the same

>>714560242
My friend has two ideas what was destroyed
A. Susie isn't the hero portrayed, but something else (Doubt given the prophecy is always right)
B. Susie must "Break open the Cage" to save the day (Reminder, Kris is the cage and is actively against us)

>>714560448
stop being obtuse, buttercup
countries don't make decisions, people do

>>714557297
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormwood_(Bible)

>>714560345
Modern internet culture is just taking popular media and putting it in every meme, or vice versa.

>>714560373
The game is half-finished anon. You might be right but Kris has a lot of character development to go through. He has to stop being an asocial creep. Getting friends is the first step but considering how much he lies and betrays, he won't turn "good" for another couple of chapters.

>>714560435
Unused for a reason. Toby simply learned the jews run the media and had to edit Tenna to match

>>714558612

>>714560001
It's both. The grin is initially Tenna's, and then changes to resemble the Knight after the reveal. "Late (K)Night", and all that.

>>714560535
I do infact like it

>>714560476
It's like you don't even know who Jesus is.

>>714559781
>that they are in fact not possessed by some evil (FOURTH!) entity at the end of the Genocide route
No, they're not possessed by anyone other than (you). His worst traits have merely mingled with yours and combined with the power of your determination, caused him to be reborn as this demon. He's like a mirror to Flowey. A dead child resurrected as a soulless monster with only his worst traits left intact, in this case his desire to watch the numbers go up.

>>714560703
the jew from 2000 years ago? yeah he set up the perfect scam.

>>714560535
i like it

>>714555708
>god has never in the bible asked his followers to suffer horrible cruelty for him
Lol. Lmao even.

>>714560509
1) Gnosticism makes more sense than regular Christianity.
2) It's more fun.

>>714560476
free will is a trick
it only matters if you choose to do good things with it
if you do good because you have no choice, you are a soulless automaton
if you use your free will do bad you are a brainless animal
don't bother interacting with these people - use your free will wisely

>>714560793
god also told the angel to raise up the lessers, and they rebelled. maybe fighting back might make things worse

>>714560328
I didn't even know you could make Kris jump back before they get the ShadowMantle. My Mini-Kris just fucked off on its own and walked down out of the screen.

Toriel overdoses again...

>>714560806
Man…

>>714560738
>pays your debt for you
>gets murdered
>"the perfect scam"
Jesus told a man to haul his bed home on the Sabbath to help people like you understand the grace you're receiving in being unable to fulfill the law. He's not sending you to hell, but you might be going there if you don't even want to acknowledge how far he went to bail you out.

>>714560903
This is like the 8th time this week

>>714559818
>What the hell, Kris?
>Don't give me that look, I was telegraphing that for a minute straight
>You were supposed to pull her out of the way and have a nice romantic scene where she lets you sniff her hair
>I said quit with the look
>Look, I'll load a save so you can try again
>And actually TRY to save her this time

>chapter 5-7
>Kris separated from Ralsei and Susie
>surrounded by some mutated titan spawn
>in the last moment something strucks the attacking creeps
>Berdly appears on your side and his theme with freedom leitmotif start playing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNfMnibzvM8

>>714560871
I did it by complete accident. I thought I had walk mini-Kris back to Kris then interact with him to switch back to him. Hope that won't come back to bite me later.

>>714560476
>not a controlling tyrant and respects free will
read: the history of the philosophical question of theodicy, including augistine of hippo
>but if you dont worship him (sin: ego)
invincible ignorance
>and follow his very specific set of commands he'll send you to hell
you would have had a stronger argument if you said that the denominations can't agree on how moral instructions should be interpreted lmao

>>714561024
jesus is god and god gave us that debt.

Can you help me find this fanart?
It was a gif of Gaster chasing Kris around the tree, I saw it on xitter a while ago but I just can't find it

>>714560836
>Gnosticism makes more sense than regular Christianity.
Prove it. I've seen the Xenogears retrospectives already so I hope you can do alot better than that.

>>714553829
>Meanwhile you go to their account and it's just all comments under Susie x Noelle porn.
BASED
THE KRISSUSIE AGENDA CANNOT BE STOPPED

>>714561024
the real scam is the organization his buddy peter set up in rome to prey on the illiterate foreigners there

>cucked
>raped
Noelle sure has it rough

.

>>714561196
shes into it tho

>>714556815
This has got to be one of the cutest (non Japanese) Deltarune animations I've ever seen!

>>714561196
I can't wait for Asgore to one up this by fucking dying

>>714561073
>god gave us that debt
By giving us free will? Are you scorning Him for that?

>>714561306
oh did hell just exist before god did? i must've missed that part...

>>714561103
I won't try to make some in-depth argument, I'll just say that I like its perspective of the creator not being benevolent and that it makes more sense considering the nature of life.

>>714560535
Yes

>>714561234
She likes to watch

>>714561073
>Get good thing
>Use it in the most self destructive way possible
>"How could God do this to me?"

>>714561306
not anon, but it seems major moral developments during the writing of the new testament indicates that concepts like "sins of the father" may be considered evil. in that someone who is merely born should not, from a moral standpoint, be already considered in-debt, wherein jesus is supposed to absolve that issue. furthermore that was one of the major turning points since gnosticism was becoming quite popular at that time, considering the old testament god really did seem like a demiurge who had alot of the same pagan elements as the common thunder deity

>>714561509
>no, god doesnt send you to hell for being a little gluttonous.
>the simple act of eating extra does!

>>714559818
If Toby had balls he would've had something like this.

>>714561601
>kill sooz
>kris kills you
>you're technically allowed to kill susie but cant continue in that timeline because kris, reasonably, has a meltdown over it.

>>714561341
Hell is the absence of God

>>714560661
how bout that prick's face when he saw the 'grave

>>714560098
It would fuck up the prophecy immensely. Might even completely prevent it

>>714560289
where are my aborted snowgrave chads at

>>714561509
If God created man, and God created Hell, and God created the tempting serpent and the fruit, then God is responsible for any of his men that fall into Hell.
Nobody would disagree that the parent is responsible if their baby, while crawling, falls off the pier into the lake and drowns after the parent brought them there and set them down and just watched them crawl off.
The relationship between omniscient God and limited man is comparable to that parent-infant relationship. God necessarily already knows when a baby is born whether he or she will go to Hell based on the rules God himself made up for who goes to hell.

>>714561574
God doesn't care if you eat food. He cares if you keep his commandments and love your neighbor. The seven deadly sins were a bunch of low quality fan fiction.

>>714561684
so its reasonable to call earth hell then.
because there's no way that the christian interpretation of god has any presence left on this rock.

So like, this explanation Toby did to make it seem like most monsters aren't ACTUALLY trying to kill you completely invalidates the pacifist ending right?
It is monster culture to essentially attack anyone's soul on sight. This brand new race shows up which people would already be nervous about but then they start unknowingly ripping apart you and your family's souls. Pretty much everyone human is level 1 so its not inconceivable for monsters to accidentally kill a lot of people. Then they might absorb their souls, making it that instead of your loved one going to Heaven, they get stuck in a frog for eternity, and then you essentially have a demigod/god causing chaos depending on if they get even more souls.
>Well maybe Asgore can tell them not to
There's a lot of wild monsters that don't seem fully sapient that would be unable to follow instructions

Does anyone else have a little Spamton in their head reacting to life events?

>>714561683
>susie's dead
>kris has a complete breakdown and goes absolutely haywire
>the knight who was somehow watching him grabs hold of him and tells him to remember the plan
>kris pretends to listen after being holed up for a day only to completely alter the plan to be to revive susie and erase the soul from existence
>your new gameplay is now navigating the soul like in chapter 4 except all around the hometown to spy on others, make things happen or prevent things
We could've had unbridled, utter kino...

>>714561770
then where does the line of fanfiction start and end?
you have to take all of it or else you compromise the integrity of everything else.

>>714561783
supposedly the catholics still practice secularism, and still has atheist scientists confirm some evidence of miracles before declaring someone a saint and such

Does Ramb have interactions beyond talking to him in the shop and before the original games?
Everyone here seems to love him, but he seemed like barely a character with not much interesting to say, so I wonder if I just missed stuff.

>>714561683
This would also kill him, which he seems to know, but it's likely that the death of his closest friend would send him that far over the edge.
>>714561850
Would have been nice but it would be two more years of development time at least.
>>714561783
I disagree but do not want to get bogged down in the pointless religious arguments here. This is a thread about Deltarune and the religious influences that play a part in it, not about ontology and metaphysics.

>>714561698
What's the alternative, to let evil men exist in perpetuity? He's done everything he can to convince them to change their ways. He can't and shouldn't allow them to continue to exist and perpetuate their evil on the world.

Or are you saying he was evil for giving us awareness, and that we should all be mindless animals?

>>714551060 (OP)
Deltarune Jesus is a skeleton

How did this scene make you feel?

>>714562050
who made the sin a thing that could be done in the first place?

>>714562079

>>714562025
the sooner we can get this thread to bump limit the better.

>>714562079
It made actually start to like Ralsei. Finally dropped the act

i really hope we get something like chapter 2 one day
C2 just opened a huge deck of options, there was the whole snowgrave thing, aborting snowgrave for the thorn ring, two different circumstances for the superboss, all that shit. im surprised neither c3 or c4 elaborated on that as far as we are aware of

>>714562079
keep on smiling, bitch nigga

>>714561905
The word of God, his prophets, Christ, and the Apostles. None of them ever make mention of any "seven deadly sins" that concept was invented 200 years after Christ's death by a theologian in the Catholic Church.

>>714557463
It's fucking with you, that thing is absolutely not on your side and is only pretending

>>714561783
Its not that bad. A godless existence would be much worse.

>>714557495
Ralsei is the shittiest party member on purpose

>>714562247
and who's to say that someone didnt fabricate fake passages from any of the ones you trust?
its been 2000 years since all of that and we've seen copious amounts of corruption in the past 20, with history even being rewritten before our eyes.

why the fuck does toby fox (a jew) have a church in his fictional setting

>>714562301
alright then riddle me this, what distinction does the mere presence of god make?

If the Gaster mystery didn’t exist no one would care about Deltarune

>>714562079
Angstkino of the highest quality. Toby Fox is a kinosseur.

>>714561842
I don't see how you still see that line and think "monster greeting card" means lighting someone on fire and stabbing them a dozen times. There is an obvious distinction between bullets which are meant to harm and bullets which are meant to communicate with in the game. One damages you, the other doesn't.

>>714562341
As with all religion, its ultimately a matter of faith.

>>714562492
exactly, and if you dont have faith in the whole thing then you compromise the integrity of it all.

>>714562416
i like buck breaking the deer the most and yes, I don't care if this ends the world

>>714561993
>atheist scientists confirm some evidence of miracles before declaring someone a saint and such
If you look up what qualifies a miracle that counts towards sainthood it's not at all difficult to have someone objectively identify and confirm the "miracle".

A real miracle for example, is your body not showing normal decomposition, which means God as preserved your body. What this is is they dig up your body 50 years after you died and if you don't look rotten (which is really fucking easy with modern embalming methods) that counts as a miracle.

Another miracle is healing the sick. Sitting next to someone and praying for them and them getting better counts - this also happens 50 years later when nobody can clearly remember the words of the prayer or whether the saint did it at all.

I don't want to shit on Catholics in general but their rituals are obviously retarded. But the rituals create cohesion and mandatory good deeds actually add good to the world so the total retardation of rituals like canonization or exorcism or eating crackers is a small price for doing good. Because other religions don't prescribe doing good as a mandatory thing, which if you ask me is far more fucked up than Catholics promoting good deeds.

>>714562393
God does quite a lot of good things for you, whether or not you choose to see them. I know my life could certainly be a lot worse than it is, and has had plenty of chances to get worse, yet it hasn't. I'm sure you're life is much the same. A Godless existence is an existence without any of the things God gives you.

>>714560345
Speed is fucking hilarious precisely because he's retarded. He always does stupid shit and has the most blatant reactions to everything.

>>714562595
and what does he give me?

>>714562525
Words of some crackpot are not part of "the whole thing". Its the same reason I don't recognize mormons or gnostics, they're following a bunch of heresy cooked up by nobodies with no authority or credentials.

>>714562301
you think the guy who got skinned alive by the cartel while funky town was playing thought the same tehing?

>>714562440
That's literally why the monsters fight you in Undertale. They don't comprehend that you're human and just start shooting bullets as their way of saying hello.
There are some people like the mercenaries in the Core or like the Royal Knights who want you dead, but the rest just accidentally kill you from getting too excited

>>714562341
what we have to day is the same as it was. Its translations from greek manuscripts.

>>714562671
>uh yeah bro these crackpots created these passages i dont like but DEFINITELY didnt create the passages i do like!
lol, enjoy hell.

>>714562079
Ralsei is getting more and more unlikable every chapter
I hope (You) get to stab him in the back in chapter 5

>>714562678
most cartels are Satanists.

>>714562114
Sin being possible is the result of us having awareness and intelligence. So I ask again, would you rather he made us all thoughtless animals?

>>714562292
Why is she like this?
Why are (We) like this?

>>714562050
>allow evil men to exist in perpetuity?
Can evil men be changed?
If not, God should prevent evil men from being born. Allowing them to be born when they are destined to eternity in Hell is cruelty to their victims and infinite cruelty to them.
If they can change themselves, God could facilitate that.
Hell is obviously not a good solution. Hell is so comically and absurdly evil that it is literally unfathomable to the human mind how cruel it exactly is.
Let's say a person doesn't believe in God, they live a somewhat shitty life, they're rude to a lot of people, they're selfish. Maybe they had a bad upbringing and these are learned behaviors, maybe they just like it. Either way, they go to hell where they are "in torment" per Luke 16.
One hundred trillion years pass. 100,000,000,000,000 years the person has been in hell for their 70 years on Earth.
That hundred trillion is not even 0.0000000000000001% of the time they will be in Hell. It is the first blink of eternity.
That is literally infinitely more evil than that man ever was, and it is entirely within God's control that this evil happens.

>>714562387
hes racially jewish but not religously afaik

>>714562170
Nah I take this back, it was the bedroom scene that did it.

>>714559084
its carol

>>714559818
This is what I imagined deltarune would be like. But I'm guessing it's too ambitious.

>>714562079
Mad. Little bastard was lying to me the whole time, and is still actively hiding things from me, but he gets off scott free because he put on the water works. If I could I would have punched him there.

>>714562770
>masochistic church girl
Bravo, Toby!

>>714562760
god could also just... not make it possible.
i cant fly, why cant he make it so that you cant just murder someone?

>>714562678
A godless existence would be a world of nothing but men like them.

>>714560414
They were right to leave this unused. He looks so fucking ugly here.

FUCK OFF GASTER

>>714562079

>>714561347
If life was resigned to malevolence it would have ended long ago.

>>714561554
Too bad for the gnostics, the Old Testament still has a stronger grip on understanding Christ than any of their faggy apocrypha does. What part of gnostic morality actually remedies this supposed evil btw?

>>714562881
you want god to take away your free will?

>>714558741
Chapters 3 and 4 were 90% correctly predicted. The only things that got "disproven " were meme youtuber theories based on tumblr posts not related to deltarune.

>>714562694
>That's literally why the monsters fight you in Undertale. They don't comprehend that you're human and just start shooting bullets as their way of saying hello.
Zero evidence

They're trying to kill you because you're a human and they want to get out of the underground.

>>714562881
Because the whole point is you having free will. Good deeds don't count if you don't have the ability to do something bad.

>>714562942
thats not what i mean. god can just make it so that the action doesnt exist, like me not being able to fly.
>>714562891
>god is responsible for everything good and im just a dirty evil person without him!
yeesh, why not kill yourself at that point?

>>714562974
half the hotland monsters dont even recognize you as human.
i also find it hard to believe that that a fucking snowdrake was trying to kill you.

>>714562942
NTA but actually yeah, I think God just having a "don't be a dick" field over everything that physically stops your arm from plunging a serrated knife down an innocent girl's throat would be immeasurably superior to the current world where people get brutally murdered but "on the bright side I too have the option to brutally murder people".
Come the fuck on.

>>714562647
You've got food, water, a life, a place to live, you live in a country with internet and the ability to use it, you're well off enough to have the free time to be posting on basket weaving forums. Not to mention all the bad things that could happen to you, but haven't. All things considered you've got it pretty good.

>>714562925
>If life was resigned to malevolence it would have ended long ago.
I'm just saying that Gnosticism makes more sense, but I don't actually believe in it, I'm not religious.

>>714563017
what would flying do for you? Not everything flies. Just like not everything breathes under water. But he gave you free will and authority over every animal on this planet.

>>714555805
FORGOTTEN MAN IS W.D. Easter. that's why he gives you eggs

>>714562910
do it for him bro

>>714563098
see >>714563017
>god is responsible for everything good and im just a dirty evil person without him!

>>714562964
Not even people here predicted that we would see the Knight in chapter 3 nor a fucking Titan during chapter 4.

>No new schizoboss
>No new genocide routes
>No new shops

Now that the dust has settled, aren't the new chapters kinda barebones in terms of content?
It feels like they subverted every Chapter 1 and 2 trope so hard, there's nothing left remaining.

>>714563017
>god is responsible for everything good
yes
>and im just a dirty evil person without him!
Any person who chooses to be godless is evil. Being without God doesn't inherently make you evil, but anyone who is Godless is only that way because they are evil, and God would not abandon someone who is good and faithful to him.

AIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>714562779
Kris is the only one that can have Susie rest her head on
>Noelle is the same height, antlers in the way
>Ralsei while shorter has horns in the way

>>714563153
oh so humans can just tell a bear what to do? why dont you go into the woods and prove it then.

>>714563082
your choices are your own and you have to live with the consequences. without free will you wouldnt even have your likes and dislikes. you wouldnt even be yourself.

>>714563186
I'm fine with it this go around cause it breaks the monotony a bit.

kris'n ain't easy

>>714562779
>If not, God should prevent evil men from being born
Free will is a bitch.
Everything that happens is because us men make it happen, same way if you go and abuse Noelle it's because you go and abuse Noelle, it's not Toby's fault he allow you to make that choice.
>but someone was killed/abused at some point
Yeah because a man killed or abused, because some men didn't stop the evil man, because people like you and me allow it to happen.
Evil exists because we choose to do evil or allow evil to happen, no more, no less.

>>714563213
have you considered that its possible to be a good person without worshipping a 2000 year old jew?

>>714563225
dont be intellectually dishonest when you know what i mean

>>714563186
>>No new shops
What?

>>714563275
You're completely avoiding the premise of my post. I just gave a simple example of how our lives could exist as we currently experience them with a guardrail against heinous immoral actions.
How can you possible believe that an invisible physical force preventing murders would stop people from even having likes or dislikes?

>>714563186
We fought the Knight and a fucking Titan, what do you mean it was barebones anon

>>714563343
people dont worship jesus to be good they worship him because they are thankful

>>714562881
You can still sin even if you can't murder. The worst sins ever committed were committed in heaven by a bunch of immortal people. This life we live now exists as a test. We're left here with the capability to do all manner of evil, but ultimately insignificant things (you can't even really kill people, only their bodies, and even the longest lives on earth are tiny compared to eternity) so that he can see whether or not we are evil. If we prove ourselves good, then we get to live with God for eternity. If not, we're cast into the pit and destroyed.

>>714563368
No new shop screens.

>>714563358
you said that we have authority over animals.
so prove it, prove that we have authority over animals and tell a bear what to do.

>>714563013
How do I have free will of God already knows what's going to happen? All my choices are already predetermined.

>>714563186
Chapter 4 feels like the most packed chapter so far, what are you on about?

I hate you so much Ralsei your heals are not worth it.

>>714563427
Ooooh nevermind, carry on

>>714563414
thankful for what exactly? him sacrificing a weekend so that he could forgive the debt that he gave us for no reason (so that we would still need to repay that debt by worshipping him)

smelly doe breath

>>714561101
https://x.com/cafefiorentini/status/1938577655613591897

>>714563386
honestly i found the titan part real lame
>>714563186
agreed on the alternate route part, though who knows if chapter 4's noelle session sets up anything cool for 5 and 6
as for the schizobosses part: my only real complaints are that the knight could have used some cooler moves like his combo attacks, and hammer of justice could have used some more buildup and more time spent facing the cool later attacks. Gerson is cool in his own way precisely because he is "simpler" than the other bonus bosses as hes the only one that didnt go schizo

but i really hope C5 and C6 deliver on the C2-tier stuff

Toby just wants to make it nolstalgic for people who went to church in their youth but without the actual religion. Tons of video games have pseudo christianity, even zelda

>>714563082
Somehow this has actually circled back to Deltarune discussion.

Doesn't the lack of any real ability to do evil in Deltarune make your choices feel hollow. Like yeah you can save people, but that's all you can do. So its not really you doing it, its just happening around you, to you.

>>714562779
>>714556969
I will accept literally anything that sinks Suselle

>>714563375
just as physical pain is the damage of your body so too is guilt the damage of your soul. That feeling you get before you do a heinous action IS the guardrail you speak of.

>>714563338
This post is incoherent. If you believe evil men cannot change then you don't believe in free will.
If you believe evil men can change, then it is evil to torture them for eternity after an arbitrary finite length of time (their life on earth) as the 'cutoff' for whether they're evil / forgiven for being evil, without giving them a chance during that torture to repent and/or show they've changed.

>>714563427
My boy Ramb was fucking robbed.

>>714563186
>>No new shops
I hope Chapter 5 surprises up with new item fuses and lets us fuse Devilsknife and Justice Axe for a super Axe

>>714563497
sacrificing yourself so that everyone for all time can still be forgiven is something to be thankful for

>>714563672
and since jesus is god he didnt even need to sacrifice himself. he could just say "ok everyone's forgiven"

>>714551060 (OP)
personally I find the religion practiced in Hometown very dumb, so in the first place does every resident of that town know about it? if so why uh, say, Kris, Noelle nor Susie recognize that they are the people meant to fulfill the prophecy, they should have noticed by now...
and the question is if it's a religion only practiced in that schizo town or in general in the world of Deltarune cuz the prophecy already states it's about the WORLD of Deltarune

DON'T FORGET
I'VE BEEN WITH YOU SINCE THE START

>>714563672
>Sacrificing yourself
Didn't he literally know he was God and he would come back to life and reign in heaven for eternity
He makes the rules so he never needed to be crucified, he could've just forgiven everyone for the sin system he invented in the first place

>>714563442
god exists outside of time and thats how he percieves existince all at once. When you re-watch a film can you change the persons actions? no but you know what action they will take.

>>714563771
Fuck off Lord English

>>714563063
>half the hotland monsters dont even recognize you as human.
One of them doesn't, and its explicitly stated as thinking its bullets heal people when they don't. Which would imply that's not a normal thing. Otherwise it wouldn't need to be stated.

>i also find it hard to believe that that a fucking snowdrake was trying to kill you.
He was, he just wasn't trying very hard, and sucked at it anyways. Most of the monsters are trying to kill you out of a sense of obligation. They think they have to kill you because they thing the only way they can be happy is if you're dead and they're on the surface.

Also, Snowy is an asshole in Deltarune. Him being an asshole in UT doesn't sound out of character to me.

>>714563186
These chapters were supposed to come out with chapter 5 and it really shows

Judeo-Christianity

why does the Knight make your party members "SWOON" when they fall in battle?

>>714563805
I'm Wing Dings G. Aster

>>714563771
Chara…

Chapter 5 spoiler

Doctor Wing Dingus "Eggman" Ghaster

>>714563338
If God already knows everything that's ever going to happen then free will doesn't exist. God already knew Adam and Eve would eat the fruit of knowledge and be cast out of Eden, meaning there was no free will. If it was a foregone conclusion then no one under God ever had any choice in the matter.

>>714563530
>honestly i found the titan part real lame

Finally someone said it.

>>714563173
You aren't even a person without God, you aren't even matter without him. There's not even a theoretical concept of you without God either creating it or creating someone to create it.

>>714563851
Epitome of the female figure is too much for Ralsei and Susie to handle

Doctor Walter Davis G. Haster

>>714563946
i mean, god himself is theoretical so...

>>714563512
>interpreting [redacted] as his face
Fucking nice.

>>714563343
A good person would end up practicing all the things he preached anyways.

>>714563735
>>714563783
God is just and because he is just he cannot allow evil to ultimately win. But god is also loving and merciful so how can forgiveness take place? Someone must take the debt of sin. But because all man is equal in the eyes of the lord no man can take the sin of another and that is why jesus was needed.

>>714563890
This is revenge for picrel

>>714563512
Thanks, dude

Doctor Wang Dong Splatter

>>714564018
>god is just
a just person doesnt burn his children forever because they ate an extra slice of bread and didnt say sorry.

The Great Work continues, and the wheel turns. whether you like or not,

>>714563793
1) God has always participated within chronological time, aiding or punishing the Israelites with miracles and disasters, giving laws. He literally (well according to the Bible I mean) lived a human life on Earth as Jesus
2) What you're describing doesn't absolve God, it's the opposite. God knew exactly how many souls would be damned for ETERNITY inside Hell before he ever started creation and he still went along with it, he didn't go with another plan that would minimize or eliminate the amount of unending agony experienced by conscious beings.
If Hell wasn't so psychotically, monstrously, dementedly evil then I would have way less of a problem with religion, but Hell is that. Hell was obviously invented by humans. It wasn't even originally from Christianity, it had almost no presence in torah Judaism, it was something that got bigger in Greek religion as they expanded their idea of Hades and then Christianity adopted it.

>>714564052
What the fuck is the point of this one, my SOUL isn't a nigger

>>714564089
jewish storytellers weren't very good

>>714563497
So being crucified, dying, and spending a weekend in hell isn't anything to write home about?

>>714563338
>Everything that happens is because us men make it happen, same way if you go and abuse Noelle it's because you go and abuse Noelle, it's not Toby's fault he allow you to make that choice.
Anyone who makes this argument in sincerity is genuinely a midwit and should be checked for brain worms. Answer me this: who is more evil, the one who makes a weapon of death and sells it knowingly to the one who intends to use it, and has no plans to etop them, or the one who purchases the weapon with malicious intent and creates atrocities?

>>714564238
>spending a weekend in hell
god went to hell? i thought that hell was the complete absence of god (as said earlier in this thread)

>>714564018
As someone who didn't grow up in a religious household this reads like inane schizobabble

>>714564214
well mine is and it makes me feel represented!

>>714563735
>>714563783
If you could earn your way into heaven just by saying thank you, you wouldn't do it anyway. So why should God let you whiners call the shots? You talk like it doesn't matter what you ever did to provoke God and that he should wipe your slate clean anyways, lest you call him evil. He sent Jesus as an example for you to learn from, and if you choose to reject it, it's your own peace of mind that's going to suffer.

>>714564146
1) god only interacts but he is outside time and space. Jesus (the son) is how god entered the world to live among us
2)God is good everything that inflicts pain and suffering is invented by us. In the new testament jesus describes hell as a landfill but ultimately hell is just seperation from god for all eternity.

>>714564089
>ate an extra slice of bread and didnt say sorry.
This was already disproven earlier in the thread. This is a bad faith argument.

>>714563546
NTA but I'm having a good time along for the ride in the normal route regardless and I don't need Snowgrave to make that matter.

>>714564434
the only "bad faith" here is the guy that thinks he's getting into heaven while partaking in the seven deadly sins.

>>714564018
>God is just and because he is just he cannot allow evil to ultimately win. But god is also loving and merciful so how can forgiveness take place? Someone must take the debt of sin.
"God is just" is simply an assertion that all the rest of history, reality, and the Bible has to be contorted around to make sense. What God let Satan do to Job's family was not just. Christians cope by saying because God gave people life, it's actually totally just and fine for God to kill those people in horrible ways. But if that's true, then yes actually, it's totally just for God to forgive people's sins without some showy "sacrifice". Why? Because God is just, we said so, so anything he does is just. Killing every first born baby in Egypt, just.

>>714563793
Free will would imply there is no preset outcome and that the future is nebulous. But it's not because God already knows exactly what's going to happen. There's no future where I make a different choice.

>>714564412
You only worship your "god" because that's what you're taught and you're afraid of burning in immortal death. Stop acting so righteous. You're just a prophet of false kindness and disingenuousness like the rest.

>>714563783
>he never needed to be crucified
He never needed us either.
>he could've just forgiven everyone
He didn't need to, by Christ or any other means. You got a problem with that?

>>714564280
He went there to preach to those who had died before they could receive grace. He was offering them all a chance at salvation since they previously only had the law and sacrifices as a path to heaven.

this thread's lame
does anyone really care about the american interpretation of christianity? all their sects are heretical anyways

>>714564340
thats because it is.
once you start digging into the bible its filled to the brim with contradictions and illogical nonsense that need even more contradictions and illogical nonsense to make sense.
eventually you get what that anon said

>>714563851
FFIV reference. But as for an in-universe explanation, it probably just means the Knight hits that much harder than all other enemies (including a fucking jobber Titan).

>>714564523
You don't know what I was taught or what scares me, faggot. Cope better.

>>714564568
What, not enough retarded theories and shipping for you?

>>714564474
Never once mentioned in the scripture. It has as much weight as Terry Davis saying his OS is a pathway to heaven.

>>714564568
its more Masonic, but the thread is too funny

>>714564428
>everything that inflicts pain and suffering is invented by us

I didn't know I invented lightning strikes killing people.

Why have the threads been so fucking DOGSHIT today

>>714564620
Pretty unchristian-like of you to get angry. What happened to "turn the other cheek"? I guess you're just not a true follower. Typical, really.

>>714564652
They're undertale threads, for starters.

>>714564629
and again, if you dismiss some of it you open up potential for ALL of it to be dismissed.

>>714564018
Genuine question. How does the Jesus/God division works? From what I understand, they are somehow identical yet distinct and independent of one another. And what about the Holy Spirit? What even is that?

>>714564412
>If you could earn your way into heaven just by saying thank you, you wouldn't do it anyway.
Retard
>>714564428
>God is good everything that inflicts pain and suffering is invented by us
Meanwhile, God in Genesis
>To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children.
God directly inflicts pain on people.
>jesus describes hell as a landfill
Jesus says the rich man was "in torment in Hades" in the Lazarus parable.
>ultimately hell is just seperation from god for all eternity
Cite the Bible verse.

i had a dream this morning where there was some weird ARG video about deltarune where it was just a static image, but if you turned on subtitles you'd get dialogue of (what i somehow knew but wasn't mentioned outright) dess and azzy talking about azzy's game, except dess' lines were replaced with schizobabble about the apocalypse or something
what dream-me somehow gathered from this was that azzy's game was somehow going to cause, or was generally tied to, the apocalypse (or the roaring i guess) and that whoever is talking in those UNUSED strings was actually trapped in azzy's game on the main menu/ending screen (pic related is a recreation of what i saw that as, i don't know why the fun gang would be there either) and in fact may even be one of the characters from that game and not dess or whatever

thank you for reading my Yume Nikki™

>>714564691
you talk like a faggot and your shits all retarded

>>714564483
Satan is already damned hes just a child thrashing before his punishment. I dont understand how people want god to punish evil but then when he does judge them, you still curse him. Also the killings of the first borns was orderd by the pharaoh

>>714564743
>frognigger
kys

>>714564691
lmao you really know nothing about Christianity whatsoever. Again, cope better. Or keep throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks, not my problem.

>>714564652
We hit the dead period where all the hype from he release has died down but the OC hasn't come out in large enough volume to revitalize the threads.
So where left in the dregs

>>714563852
>I'm Wing Dings G- ACK!!!

>>714564652
>Why have the threads been so fu-
:doroshit:

>>714564723
>God directly inflicts pain on people.
wasn't that because all humans are sinful thanks to what happened with Adam and Even?

>>714564771
this is the frog website albeit

>>714564778
yeah all those cat and mike chads who clearly picked up on all the angel iconography.

>>714564763
>Also the killings of the first borns was orderd by the pharaoh
Average Christian's biblical literacy

>>714564523
I never met a christian who follows because of fear but i have met atheists who are scared to follow

>>714564814
>frog website
>posts a dog

>>714564775
Speaking from brother to brother, that's not how are you are meant to spread the word.

>>714564850

>>714564775
>lmao you really know nothing about Christianity whatsoever.
I didn't ask for your self analysis, heretical hypocrite.

>>714564652
There's nothing left to discuss until the next chapter in a year. It'll either be inane shit like ITT, shipfaggotry, schizo tier theories, or rampant shitposting. I'm sure most anons will just go to /vg/ or anywhere else eventually so these threads will stop happening back to back before long.

>>714564580
that is also false. There are no contradictions only different perspectives.

>>714564763
> I dont understand how people want god to punish evil but then when he does judge them, you still curse him
its literally the philosophical question that undertale raises, anon.
>if you have the power to make sure to solve all the problems in the world, make all those evil into good people, and it will come at no effort or risk to you...
>do you have the moral obligation to do so?
choose your answer to this question wisely.

Shut the fuck up or I'm mating pressing the doe right on the church altar.

>worshipping a kike

>>714564862
You don't know what I'm here for. Mind your business.

>>714564882
What quip are you even trying to make here? Why are you so mad?

>>714564646
dont be intellectually dishonest anon

>>714564935
something something, you already put a ring on it so it's fine

>>714564729
based dreamkino

>>714564803
The text is explicitly God choosing to inflict pain on Eve, which is the relevant detail. The idea that all good comes to God and all suffering is just his absence is total a-biblical cope. In Isaiah, God goes so far as to say
>I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

thread SUCKS I go to BED

>>714564697
There are plenty of recovered ancient manuscripts and translations of the scripture which have different lineages, and none of them mention the seven deadly sins. Meanwhile they do state that Christ explicitly says there will be no prophets after him, and that anyone claiming to be a prophet after him is a liar. So if anyone comes along and does try to add new elements to theology, it can be easily surmised that he is a liar and should not be taken seriously.

>>714564840
I've never met atheists who were scared to not believe, but I have met christians who only follow out of fear.

>>714565010
To be clear, I'm not disputing that all good comes from God is not biblical, it's specifically the detail that suffering never comes from God. God absolutely creates suffering, in the Old Testament he is in fact prolific.

>>714564591
What fight in FFIV is swoon referencing?

>>714564985
The only one out of those three that actually feels like Kris is the one on the right.

>>714564985
why is mkris in a dress

>>714564935
>when she shows you her crown of thorns

>>714565080
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Knocked_Out

Would god allow me to kill the local grocer for fucking both of my parents and shamelessly admitting to it in front of my face?

>>714564961
Making assumptions on anger? I know christcucks project, but this is embarassing. Do better.

>>714564698
The trinity is always being discussed but the godhead is 3 persons who have the same will (the father, the son,the holy spirit) How I like to explain it simply is using H2o. H2o can exist as liquid (the father), solid (the son), and gas(the holy spirit) but is ultimately still H2o(god).

got that one webm of kris walking in on the dancing and no hit killing sans in a few seconds before going upstairs to his room?

>>714565214

>>714565139
You can't kill the dead, it's kosher.

>>714565132
Oh so it's how that got translated in the version Toby played. Got it.

>>714565317
kek, that's the one, thanks

>>714564962
Why did God create cruel and horrific natural deaths?

>>714564698
God is a being so powerful that he can literally anything and be anywhere, but he's also so powerful that merely looking at his face can kill you. So he chooses to use his power exist in lesser forms that won't kill you or require a motorcade of giant spinning interlocked wheels to follow him around. Sometimes he appears as the angel of the lord, which is an angel that is just him in a weaker and unassuming body. The holy spirit is him as a spirit. That form is everywhere all of the time. Its not a physical object, but its God and all powerful, so it can effect you if it wants to. Jesus is God in human form. He put himself in a human body and limited himself to mostly human limitations. The includes only being able to commune with the full God head like a normal human would, through prayer. Of course after he died and was resurrected, most of those limits seem to have been lifted, so he's probably just another form God can take that can act independently of his main body.

This is all just my reading of course, and I make no claims of being an expert on the subject. I'd suggest you try reading into it yourself if you want to know for sure.

>>714564723
yes god punished eve and every woman after for her sin of eating the apple and disobeying him. How is that evil? When jesus went to hell and spoke to that man he was thirsty and suffering but also he was seperate from god (jesus describes that all who drink from his cup shall never be thirsty). Jesus also used the word GEHENNA when talking about hell which was a location where everyone dumped there trash.

>>714565054
well now you met one who doesnt friend :)

>So there's this really nice guy, right?
>All around a class act. Always tries to help people, gives money to charity, does volunteer work, never slept around, avoids drugs/alcohol, and in a monogamous relationship with a loving wife
>Has kids who he's raising to be just as kind of a person as he is
>On the fence about Christianity for a long time. He agrees with most of the morals the Bible teaches but isn't sold on the spiritual aspects and notices contradictions in the scripture
>Ultimately decides it's just not something that works for him
>Continues living his life as a non-Christian man
>Just got done reading to the cancer kids at the local children's hospital
>While walking to his car, gets hit by semi truck and fucking dies
>LOL GET FUCKED FAGGOT HAVE FUN GETTING TORTURED FOR ETERNITY IN HELL
Defend this.

>>714564723
>Jesus says the rich man was "in torment in Hades" in the Lazarus parable.
The torment in question was him sitting in that pit while watching Lazarus sit happily with Abraham and God.

>>714565010
>>714565072
People's inability to understand that suffering is not inherently wrong is the crux of much of the seething that persists about Christianity, such as what's gone on itt. God has legitimate reasons to make people suffer, and they're so hung up on it that they not only ignore the suffering they've caused, but also ignore the fact that God did more work than anybody else did to reconcile the matter. Nonetheless he's still the bad guy according to retards.

>>714565387
>he's also so powerful that merely looking at his face can kill you

If he's so powerful why doesn't he just not let someone die if they see his true face?

>so it was lucifer the entire time
>im clueless to the imagery but i know better
Time to face the wall mikefags

>>714565141
>Do better
You think I should do better. You think God should have done better. I guess the only one who doesn't need to do better is you. Kudos.

>>714565479
Why does good insist on punishing Innocents for the sins of others? Like when he killed all those kids in Egypt.

>>714565383
in the old testament people actually lived for hundreds of years while still being healthy but as time passes our bodies grew weaker and our lifespans shorter

>>714565574
That seems silly.

>>714565574
Actually, the final secret is that to extend human life, you must vampirize children

>>714565563
Does your belief in God actually hinge on this question? Suffice it to say, God never blindsided anybody, and those who sacrificed their own children to false idols had their offspring taken away from them before they could keep doing it.

>>714565574
you do understand how insane this is, right?

>>714565479
>It's not inherently wrong to torture someone for 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999 x infinity years because I was dissatisfied with their performance in the first 60 years of their existence and/or they didn't ask me not to do that to them before they got hit by a truck

>>714565462
He wouldn't be tortured in hell for eternity. If God appeared before him then he'd have no reason not to believe and follow him. Even the concept of hell itself is largely an invention of the church. The real hell is more a holding cell where sinners are kept until judgement day. When judgement day comes God will decide who in there and on Earth goes to heaven with him, and who is cast in to the pit and burned up, being destroyed forever more in the process.

At the end of the day I can't say what judgement God would give the man because I'm not God, but I see no reason why he would destroy a perfectly good man like that just for being mislead.

>>714565847
Okay but why does God kill children instead of the actual sinners?

>>714565948
Don't forget
>no bro it's not direct torture it just seems like torture because it's "absence of god's presence" and it happens to be that such a state of being is torturous to a person. No he doesn't care if you regret your mistakes after 999,999,999,999,999 years, the absence torture will continue

>>714565481
I don't know. No one ever asked him and he never brought it up himself. He just never let anyone see his face unless he intended to transfigure them or kill them.

>>714565961
That's...a better answer than I expected, I guess?

>>714565948
I was referring to suffering on earth for the sake of guidance and atonement, but if you're that preoccupied with the idea of going to hell then maybe you should strategize a way out that doesn't rely on trying to debase God with inane comparisons of time.

>make deltarune thread (a videogame)
>gets deleted
>make deltarune thread with /pol/ bait
>allowed
Jannies are actively malicious and should be thrown in a vat of steaming shit

>>714566164
you misunderstand the point of his post.

>>714565383
Because we proved to him we couldn't be trusted with immortality, twice.

>>714565991
Can you give an example?

If Ralsei doesn't get good during ch5 then there's no point in that character existing. ch4 made him even more unlikable because he's still hiding shit from (you) and Susie. At this point I'm thinking the bastard is just working with Kris.

>>714566227
Why did it need to be proved to God? Especially twice, shouldn't he already know the outcome?

>>714566164
If Hell and Heaven are real then every Christian has an ethical duty to be zealously preoccupied with them. The time anyone spends on Earth is not even a drop of water in an ocean compared to eternity. This life is completely fucking meaningless if they exist except that it determines if your eternity is blissful or torturous. The only thing that can possibly matter in this life is trying to preclude as many people from Hell as possible.

>>714565563
Dying really isn't that bad as long as its quick. They basically got a fast track to skip all the bad parts of life and got a trip straight to heaven. And unlike an adult, they didn't even have any attachments they were forced to break when they died. The only people who suffered there were the parents.

>>714565991
He killed his own child instead of you. Do you wish he hadn't?

>>714566256
When God killed the first born sons in Egypt.

>>714566029
god loves you and because he respects your free will he will ultiamtely grant your wish to be seperate from him.

>>714566390
you mean when the pharaoh killed the first born sons of egypt?

>>714566205
His point was to change the subject from suffering=bad to a life being a performance review. Nonetheless feel free to type out a few more 9s if you think it'll help make his point for him.

>>714566350
This is insane levels of cope. Here's how killing babies and children was actually a good thing.

>>714566380
Answer my question.

>>714565558
>You think I should do better.
>You think God should have done better.
And here I thought you mindless drones were incapable of learning. Bravo, you feaux papist! Bravo!

>>714566484
you said that "suffering is not inherently wrong"
which sure, thats true, but being forced to suffer for all of eternity just because you didnt think god was real for 60 years is wrong.

>>714566319
You don't punish someone for a crime they haven't committed, that just wouldn't be right. So instead he gave us a nice thing, knowing we would most likely ruin in, and then we did. And now we longer have that nice thing.

I don't actually like furry characters. I would enjoy Deltarune much more if the lightners were human.

>>714566327
God already knows who's going where. You and I, on the other hand, don't. What matters in life is obeying God's commandments. That is the whole duty of man.

>>714566463
You're delusional.

>>714566662
>knowing we would most likely ruin in

It's not most likely. God 100% knew humans would disobey him. He knows everything. Why even give it in the first place?

>>714566495
I've answered several of your inane questions already. Answer my question. Does your belief in God actually hinge on any of this interrogation you're doing?

>>714566414
So he'll let people out if Hell if they realize they don't want to be separate from him right?

>>714565948
A lot of Christians don't believe in the concept of hell as a fiery pit where people are tortured forever. Not even the Catholic Church says that anymore, and they were the ones who came up with the concept.

The way it sounded when I read it. Hell is a holding cell. A place where all the people who can't be trusted to roam free in heaven go when they die. It probably does suck, but more so because of the people you're sharing it with. When judgement day comes, God decides who is worthy to live in Heaven with him, and who isn't. Those who aren't get destroyed in a fire and cease to exist.

>>714566809
No you haven't answered my question. You keep deflecting.

>>714566805
you havent read the bible. That was the 10th and FINAL plague inflicted on egypt because the PHAROAH REFUSED TO SET THE JEWS FREE. The blood was on his hands. He got warned 9 times before that.

>>714566662
>tell someone to climb up a glass wall or else you would shoot him
>he cant climb up the glass wall because of fucking course you cant
>shoot him
>"i was perfectly justified! all he had to do was climb up the glass wall, if he just did that i wouldnt have shot him"

>>714566968
Does your belief in God hinge on the question?

>>714566971
the jews are immoral and corrupt, and even say jesus is boiling in liquid shit in hell.
if god supports them then i want nothing to do with heaven

>>714566971
Why does God need to kill the children of families that have nothing to do with the pharoh?

>>714566958
Why would god make people he already knows he's just going to blip from existence?

>>714566889
In the bible its stated that the more you ignore gods voice there will eventually be a time where you cannot hear him any longer. unfortunately those who chose their own will, will have the wish granted and be left alone for eternity.

>>714566162
What were you expecting? He burns forever while a guy in red spandex pokes him with a matching pitch fork? That's just some BS sold by people who want your money and people who spend too much time fantasizing about revenge.

>>714566971
>God gives man free will
>Unless you do something he doesn't want
>Then he uses his God powers to murder innocent children until you do what he wants

Makes sense to me.

>The Acorn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????
>Lucifer!!!?????????
>GOING TO CHURCH!!!!!!!!????!?!!!!!!
>BUCK BREAKING DOES IN ANGEL LINGERIE!!!!!!!!!!!!
What does it mean?!

>>714566495
>This is insane levels of cope. Here's how killing babies and children was actually a good thing.
If heaven is real and the immortal soul exists, how would that not be true?

>>714567135
>choose free will
>"WTF NO YOU CANT DO THAT! GO BE ALONE FOREVER WITH ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND NOTHING FOREVER!!!"
WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT OF FREE WILL THEN YOU RETARD?

>>714567079
The jews are no longer his chosen. Even in the old testament before jesus' sacrifice, god called them a stiff necked people. The jews were just the vehicle to spring forward christianity but the jews never got with the program and still suffer gods wrath to this day.

>>714567278
>they still suffer god's wrath to this day despite controlling most of the world
lol

>>714567220
That's like installing a game and deleting it after reaching the main menu cause you were gonna uninstall it one day anyways.

>>714567021
That's not the same. God gave man immortality and a perfect world, and man ruined it, so he took it away. Man wasn't owed any of that, man wasn't even owed existence yet God gave it to him freely.

>>714566805
>It's not most likely. God 100% knew humans would disobey him. He knows everything. Why even give it in the first place?
So he should give them the punishment of natural death before they've done anything wrong.

>>714567341
except god knew that man would ruin it.
why even give it in the first place place?

>>714567101
This was the only way to stop the pharoahs advance. He did not listen even after his people were sufferring for ages and told him to let the jews go. This was the straw that broke the camels back.

>>714567397
>please let these objectively evil people roam free in your streets
the pharaoh's only mistake was caving.

>>714567101
>Why would god make people he already knows he's just going to blip from existence?
So that he can know the people who chose to follow him really do love him.

>>714567452
Based

>>714567465
except he already knows that they "really do love him" because he made them that way.
sounds to me like he just enjoys stroking his own ego.

>>714567327
you think because they have wealth they arent damned? They dont have close relationships with anyone, are ugly, suffer the most personality disorders, are weak physically. I can go on but all they really have is money and are the least likely to get into heaven becuase of their horrible characters.

>>714567397
>jews
Did you mean to say Israelites? Because those are two very different things.

>>714567335
Life on Earth is a test, nothing more. Dying before birth is like being given a passing mark before you even got a chance to write your name on the paper.

>>714567568
they still command everything and even guide millions of people away from your heaven. lol.

>>714567396
As an act of kindness.

>>714567595
>dont worry! i know you were excited to have a child but the dead carcass in your womb is actually already in heaven! you dont need to cry! god is good and your child drying was good!
genuinely deranged

>>714567617
many will be lead astray but that doesnt stop me from following my faith. Its their choice and the lord and I respect their decision

>>714567651
an act of kindness would be not torturing people forever because they are skeptical over no two christians actually having the same view of christianity.
>>714567698
you respect their choice for eternal torture? thats not very good of you.

>>714567530
He created people to make their own choices. That's what in his image means. We make our own decisions, he doesn't make them for us. I don't know the specifics of how did it. Perhaps through some sort of randomization, perhaps through some means I can't comprehend. But he made each man with the ability to freely choose what to think and do, including whether or not to love him.

Kritzgrave theory is real

>>714567723
Would the good thing be to force them into believing? No. All i can do and all I have been doing is to give people the correct knowledge of my faith.

>>714567786
and he's all knowing so he knows how all of us will act.
is it not unjust, to let someone exist just so that you can say "sorry, but you were skeptical so now you get to be tortured forever"

>>714567675
Remember that this is in the context of the death of the Egyptian first born. It was explicitly a bad thing for the parents and that's why it happened.

>>714567675
Applying any level of examination to God reveals tons of crazy hypocrisy and deranged ideas. And then you'll get the even more crazy ideas from people who defend it. Like why killing children and babies is good.

>>714567815
He could be in hell. but that feels like a cop-out. I like a loving, foolish world

>Deltarune thread on 4chan
>Look inside
>Reddit atheists

>>714567863
>"just kill the pharaoh thats doing something i think is wrong?"
>"no, no. i'll kill a bunch of babies instead!"

>>714567723
>an act of kindness would be not torturing people forever because they are skeptical over
He doesn't torture people forever. He simply destroys those who aren't worthy to live in heaven. As to whether or not skeptics fit that description, I think it would depend on the individual person, and even then I don't know what God would decide.

>>714567862
its ok to be skeptical but you have to do your research and come to your own conclusion. I looked at the religions and christianity is the one that makes the most sense. people enter hell because they decide they dont need god and because he loves them and respects their free will he grants their wish and gives them an eternity of seperation.

>>714567786
I can't actually make decisions if God is all knowing. He already knows what I'm going to decide so there's no choice for me to make. There's no reality where I pick the other option. For me to actually have free will God would have to not know what I'm going to pick.

>>714567949
The Egyptians obeyed and deified the pharaoh. They were complicit in all of his crimes.

>>714567976
ok lemme reframe it then,
>sorry, i know you were skeptical but that doesnt fly around here.
>you could've gotten to live forever if you just believed in me
>buuut you didnt. so now you dont get to exist anymore. bye!
thats still extremely fucked up and unjust

>>714567976
>He simply destroys those who aren't worthy to live in heaven

Why would god make souls that he knows he's going to destroy before they're even made anyways? What's the point?

>>714567990
Perhaps God simply knows all possible outcomes and can account for all of them. Or perhaps you're wrong and free will can still exist within that framework.

>>714568026
Why does God interfere to kill babies but not just make the pharoh do what he wants?

Kirs adopted by the cats instead of the goats

>>714567990
That's retarded. You have free will and even I know what you're going to do: try to play gotchas with Christians on the Internet. You being predictable is a skill issue. It doesn't prove whatever point you think you have.

>>714568125
Well is God all knowing or not?

>>714568136
honestly it all could've been avoided if he just struck the pharaoh with lightning 17 time and said
>RELEASE THE JEWS OR I'LL DO THIS TO YOU
>>714568171
the game wouldnt change much, but now kris is morbidly obese.

>>714568175
Everything about mine and everyone's life is already predetermined if God knows what we're all going to do. There's no choice I can make that won't be the one God already knows.

>>714568051
>thats still extremely fucked up and unjust
Implying that he does any of that. He never outright says, I'm going to destroy the souls of every person who ever doubted me. He tells people to have faith in him, but he never pre-determines his judgements for anything. Maybe he will spare them, maybe he won't.

>>714567990
It really sounds like you're trying to rebel for the sake of it. What reason do you have to make an unpredictable choice if the outcome is good? Especially if you're one of the people itt complaining that there are too many bad outcomes.

>>714568136
Because he doesn't control people's minds. The choice has to be his own.

>>714568383
just strike the pharaoh with lightning a bunch and then tell the civilians that if they dont release the jews it'll happen to them.
the choice is still their own (release the criminals or die) so there's no problem.

>>714568183
He is all knowing, but that doesn't invalidate the concept of free will. Just because you know that I'm going to disagree with you doesn't mean that I didn't choose to do it.

>>714568307
And? Is this too limiting for you? Good news:

Luke 1:37,Matthew 19:26
>For with God nothing shall be impossible.

>>714568325
>he never pre-determines his judgements for anything. Maybe he will spare them, maybe he won't.

That doesn't make sense. If God knows everything then he already knows his judgement.

>>714568343
I don't get to pick any outcome because there's only one outcome. The one God already knows. It's the illusion of choice.

>>714568442
There's no choice because there's only one outcome.

>>714568440
They'd already been plagued with frogs, flies, hail, boils, had their water turned to blood, and had the sun blocked out. Killing one man wasn't going to convince them. Even killing all their first born didn't stop them from changing their minds a few days later and sending an army to recapture the Israelites.

>>714568579
ok and then if they dont follow after killing their leader, start killing random adults instead of BABIES

>>714568553
I say there is choice. Even ignoring religious debate, I do genuinely believe that my choices are my choices regardless of what future sight or predestination may or may not exist.

>>714568579
Is it really a choice if God is gonna keep fucking with the pharoh until he does what God wants anyways?