Let's. Fucking. GOOOOO~!

Ladies & gentlemen, it is finally the TYEM to PARTY HARD, everyone! Bring 'em Cristal champagne bottles and all the bestest party snacks in, folks! GO!

LET'S ALL PARTY LIKE IT'S 1999:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML_IGlmtVMM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUznVZ-N4ZE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuygTuwefFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpWGxbt8i5s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jSocE-oT1c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvxop8sqoPE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgxwFaybB9w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDv_KKf09hw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH6OCmeXElo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6Yt6Vg7JZg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70PmWrRmFPk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OwSxiB3vZs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSbeyqSeLvc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSJ-VMtVfkM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev-eGENky4Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCV8glcNVQc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17lZo1O_kpo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR_5RGLMVZY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfHI92qy3LM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XUOFXjG9uA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wP34XYgPg8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HznCzbzwZM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWa-6g-TbgI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE4VlA_9OrI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTl0F2cKzLk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7hGbZSoHOE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yaMeA7g04o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WccfbPQNMbg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG7DYFnExM4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPf0YbXqDm0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtTj4cramPM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymNFyxvIdaM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEq10L7u3SM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDHDMYeP55U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpzZPZ0u5zA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUWGW1nes24

P.S.
You may bring your own mixtapes/tracks of preference, to celebrate this festivity with us. Just make sure it matches the mood + joyfulness of every toxic masculine chud's VICTORY.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVem8ZFLZVA&list=RDhVem8ZFLZVA&start_radio=1

>>714584676 (OP)
90% bots lol

>>714586331
Log in, PS. You will be resting in piss soon.

>>714586040
Here's how you do it properly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FsyVf4hWvw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB2AlI1XMm0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek81R9nw8Is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=othifj91Q3w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmpeMBPooCQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S3yBqxCxB0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cKp-uCO8og

>>714586331
YWNBAW.

Almost 1.3mil. We are soback.

>>714586331
I agree, its sad to see that 90% of /v/'s catalog is nothing but bots
Can't wait for the SKG pass so they all disappear in shame

What exactly do you expect the EU to do about this?

No reasonable customer would buy an always-online game expecting it to last forever. This practice has lasted a long enough time that getting tricked by GaaS is your own fault. Even the regulation-happy EU will strike this down.

>>714584676 (OP)
Nothing will happen lol
Every game will now cost $100 and will be a live service one

>>714594487
Realistically, they'll just make Euro devs add a warning that you don't actually own your game.

>>714594084
jej

>>714584676 (OP)
AAAAAAAAACCCCKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!

>>714584676 (OP)
41% of 1000000 is 410000. You still got 300000 to go

>>714595328
Initiative acknowledges it and wants it too at the minimum. Idk why that makes people butthurt.

>>714596465
>he didn't get it

>>714586331
100% cope lol

>>714596517
because people want more than that

>>714584676 (OP)
For every extra 1%, 1% of trannies kill themselves.

>>714595328
Under rated post. That is literally the best case scenerio coming out of this

>>714596615
no but this does mean sales will tank because people aren't gonna fork out 70 euro to be told they don't own a game.

>>714584676 (OP)
All this for what? force devs to waste time and money creating offline modes for abject autists who can't say farewell to their shitty shovelware game? your game is dying, devs start losing money. move the fuck on.

>>714597001
lol
lmao

>>714597192
people are barely gonna fork out the money for new games already, if they also get a big label that says they don't own it they're not gonna bother until it's on heavy discount.

>>714596637
Need to be 41% more trannies and 88% more glowniggers.

>>714597616
people spend thousands of dollars on jpgs in gatcha games they know have a chance on shutting down next month

>>714597182
Bitch we KNOW you're posting here, you're NOT going to fool any anons. Log in, faggot. Your butthurt is overtly showing.

>>714594487
I think in the end they might go with something like "if the game is multiplayer. give the customer the ability to host their own server". The wording still leaves the option of either sharing a server binary or source code and with the thought in the back of the devs heads, they should be able to design and implement systems they can decouple if necessary from the required-to-play structure when the game is no longer supported.

>>714584676 (OP)
You guys realise Pirate Software doesn't care, right? He just doesn't. You're all coping and seething but little do you know, that I still have more money and fame than any of you virgins ever will. :)

>>714597182
developers don't lose money, developers will be paid extra to develop end of life security for their videogame
>inb4 what about indie developers
indie developers don't make games like that in the first place, indie developers make games like Noita or Factorio

>>714585159
is resetera against skg?

>>714597720
>gacha
The unholy combination of coomer shelling shekels on onlyfan, boomer slot machine gambling addicts, and phone doomscrolling office girls.
Devs cannot rely on this level of goysumption for most games.

>>714598017
>Pirate Software doesn't care

Judging by this >>714597182, I'd say that tranny faggot "cares" quite a lot, on contrary.

>>714597182
>kotick-sama wont be able to afford a seventh yacht this year, you monsters
Grim...

I want EU to fuck EA and Activision like they fucked everyone who bought their products.

>>714598091
Pirat is a tranny gay faggot with a "husband", so take a guess.

You guys realise Pirate Software doesn't care, right? He just doesn't. You're all coping and seething but little do you know, that he will still have more money and fame than any of you virgins ever will. :)

>>714598257

Judging by this >>714597182, I'd say that tranny faggot "cares" quite a lot, on contrary.

>>714598257
rather be coping, seething and poor than a lolcow tbqh

>Everyone I don't like hates this
>Everyone I like likes this
Cool, I don't know shit about it but it's making some faggots mad so it must be bad for them.

>>714598456
bloody idiot you're mom's a lolcow LOL pirate software is chad among men looser. and his girl is preety.

>>714598257
He's crying about it every day. He probably should have kept his fucking mouth shut and stuck to shoving ferrets up his and his troon "gf" asses.

>>714598640
>it's girl
*male

>>714597182
>Force devs to waste time
What if I made art or music for the game and I happen to be real proud of it but the publisher says the game must die when support ends? I think people sell their rights to the pieces in many cases so if no one releases the art or music in some other form or some people capture or mine it from the game, it's effectively gone forever.
What if the whole dev team wants the players to be able to play their game?

>>714597720
you know whats the difference? those are small costs adding up with the occasional big cost but when you're willing to pay those you're so deep into the gambling addiction that you think it's fine.
Video games are 70 euro upfront, probably more and have always been sold as a thing you buy to own because thats how it has worked for decades, if people get told upfront that no they don't no one is gonna actually spend money on it, it's like if someone went and bought a PC but it has a big tag of "hey this PC will get killed in 5 years by us and you don't actually own it, fork over 3000 euro" no one would ever do that.

>>714598932
it's not even a rights thing, it's also proof for resumes people also want their work to be out there and be seen and enjoyed, having that removed just feels bad.

>>714598929
bloody goatfucker he girl is preety and your a virgin on /v/ LOL bloody idiot. i bet he fucked you're mother and you're sister and now your coping on 4chan. cry abot it.

>>714585159
I'm more of a 2001-02 party kinda person.

>>714598640
>his girl
lol lmao

>>714599126
do not laugh at me goatfucker. i bet your a virgin to.

>>714599068
>he girl
lol, lmao

>>714584676 (OP)
>piracy is a service problem
>soon the difference in service will be that pirated version stay playable while non pirates ones become literally unplayable
Still unrefuted.

>>714598257
>You guys realise Pirate Software doesn't care, right? He just doesn't.
https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/clip/AssiduousTiredBoarRitzMitz-j0W1S8wiY9wGCtK7

>>714599201
fuck you goatfucker i bet you never have girl unlike pirate software fuckin bastard

>>714599216
GabeN was actually always pro-piracy.

Slovenia needs to pull its finger out and get it sorted.

yay another thread dedicated to PC fanboy culture and European activism spam and more personal army bullshit with 100% European faggotry on top. love it, /v/ definitely doesn't need to be split into /v console/ and /v PC/

>>714599216
i still remember times when people had both original and pirated version of Counter Strike just for the times when steam shits itself (and it happened every single week)

>>714599068

>>714599050
Yeah, all the time the devs spent creating becomes wasted time so it actually "saves" their time for a game to have a EoS-plan

>>714599609
fuck you idiot bloody bastard cunt your lucky i don't live in America because i would fuck you're shit up

>>714599443
tell us about the old days gramps, were they as good as they say?

this will kill videogames for good

>>714599252
but he grew up on 4chan and somethingawful so you can't get him upset

>>714599807
They were amazing, we used to own games back then.

>>714599901
woah crazy.. maybe one day I'll own a game too..

>>714599675
Fuck off, Mihir Singh.

>>714599069
>Tenacious D
jewish, leftarded and gay

>>714599807
Yes

>>714599807
not for multiplayer games, poorfags with their ball mice and 15 fps were rolled by people with better gear but everyone sucked ass at vidya when you compare them to frothingnite zoomers

>>714584676 (OP)
Games status?

>>714599069
remove all those dogshit albums and replace them with actual human music from that era
oh except basement jaxx that can stay
>mfw your music taste

>>714586331
surprised your bait doesn't have more replies, usually people like to give 20+ to the first dogshit opinion of the thread

>>714597720
>faux-gambling has suckered in people into buying worthless objects
Wow!

>>714584676 (OP)
Anons, the rate of signatures is slowing down. We need another push. Is pewds really gonna stop at some stupid post on jewtube community that nobody uses and that wouldn't even be known by the general public if it wasn't for twitter? When is he gonna make a video about it?
What happened with the push moldman made on twitter this wednesday? Is it still going?
I've seen some retards make videos with titles commemorating that it reached 1M as if this is a done deal and we don't need to keep pushing.

>>714597883
If they're going to dump the game the least they could do is publish the internal testing client or something. Zero work.

>>714597182
least retarded tranime poster

>>714600683
I think that would be the next step up from just honestly naming and labeling the games as services and designating an end date

>>714600508
It's over anon, the petition’s losing relevance. On the internet, attention moves fast, and as time passes, people shift focus to newer trends and issues.

>>714601349
Don't doompost me, I want to believe.

>>714594487
Put in some solid customer protection laws like they have many times before.
I know it's hard for an American to imagine, but even giants like Microsoft and Apple had no way of bribing their way around the EU demanding things for the benefit of people who buy their stuff.

>>714594905
>some online only games last 20+ years
>others last less than 2 weeks
>some games get shut down, but you were still able to purchase the game two weeks before the shutdown
But a reasonable customer is totally supposed to know what's going on. If you take money for something you're not allowed to break the thing you've sold. I'm sorry if that offends you, but you'll have to follow the law, just like every other law there is.

>>714584676 (OP)
TOTAL EUROPEAN VICTORY
burgers could NEVER

>>714597182
They can also just give all the money they made back. But yes, it's supposed to give developers the choice between not being assholes or facing billion Euro fines.

>>714598257
Guess he is just pretending to spiral out of control while the image as the rational computer expert is crumbling all around him.

>>714599897
Nobody is immune to insults. Retards screaming at you will wear you down if you can't escape from it. Escaping from it is very difficult when your job consists of you being on the internet.

>>714601387
>he says right after starting the doomposting
filth

>>714584676 (OP)
now subtract the spoofed signatures

>>714602342
I'm legit worried about it, retard.

>>714602390
>just spoof your passport
It's now at 2 million. Turns out some of the signatures were so real that the count multiple times.

>>714595328
A formal warning of an expiration date is the bare minimum the initiative would in fact settle for.

Note also that just a statement that you are 'only buying a license' like is sufficient for California, would NOT be sufficient for the EU.
The EU legally considers software under perpetual license paid for up-front as a GOOD and not as a service, meaning you MUST make it a time-limited license.
However, the Unfair Contract Terms Directive does not allow for any terms that have the effect of conditionalizing availability of service on the will of the supplier alone. So any terms that allow a publisher to kill the game "when they see fit" are unenforcable and off the table as well.
You MUST either specify objectively verifiable criteria such as the game dropping under N amount of concurrent remaining players for M months, or must provide a clear cut-off date.

(Note: all this is not new legislation. All of it is CURRENT legislation. That the industry is already mass-violating. It's just enforcement that's lacking.)

>>714599069
Meteora was 2003

>>714599161
>i bet your a virgin to.
You wish, homo saar.

>LET'S ALL PARTY LIKE IT'S 1999
1968 ~ 2008, to be precise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWbMOJaCmg4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwsBegGoKB8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4aQQBLokNo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwV0M4-H9G4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kCxMGu9k3Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJWpOqrMtjs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMmnsyxI3zo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWAgWpGqfno
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLr3b2bDBZg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJUI4Fw0lpc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZVLgZAaHMw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBwk322m1Q4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21VM_LVkvsU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bz_1FqNMeA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcdYvG7xOZk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU21rCWkuJw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZJ-eCvv3ss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwQ0Swom6zU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CbrQeBhsu4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2XJufKGAzA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mSdp6PCWj4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Aj-G0-hD9o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ4oZFQqyFo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP1jS-JVoKg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgcgtWROKk0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPa1OarUDog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdneKL5T25A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94ibQHMSk_Q

This is it. The ABSOLUTE PERFECTION was finally achieved.

Everything is in flawlessly chronological order, as well. Enjoy.

>>714601937
>Save me daddy government.
Why do you retards force me to side with corporations?

>>714600202
Soon.

>>714600876
It's Pirate himself, you dumb fuck.

>>714602548
>It's now at 2 million
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIWai4acAhw

>HELL YEAH I LOVE WHEN THE GOVERNMENT GETS EVEN MORE POWER TO CONTROL EVERYTHING! IT'S SO MUCH BETTER FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO CONTROL THINGS THEN TO LET ME SIMPLY NOT BUY A PRODUCT IF I DON'T LIKE IT!!!

why are euros like this?

>>714606732
You w0t, nigga?

So we gud pahtay muzeek ITT nao? Olroyffy den.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y64KccOLyFQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71_imimZvyw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-m-5gsV1w0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn5LKUUYj4o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUq24b4To-k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHB19hYuTCA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ2MumFV3SI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KcdKIAYHa0

>>714594487
best outcome: every game will now have an end of game plan, removing the need of the DRM server (single) or allowing you to play local or in private servers (multi)
minimum outcome: games will now show their lifespan and be clear about what you are getting into

>>714606732
>A STICKER THAT SAYS THIS GAME HAS AN END DATE THIS IS EUROFAG TYRANNY

Whats worse is you're not even paid to post this bullshit you're doing it for free.

>>714609565
>games
>lifespan
Fuck I fucking hate you fucking glowniggers.

Where's the "SGK is actually GamerGate" shill? Did the check not clear or is it an Indian holiday?

>>714594487
Send every game dev into gulag where they are forced to mine goal to power servers for their games indefinably so 3 people can play Crew(2014)

>>714597182
>This move is old and nobody watches is
>lets destroy every copy of it
>just move on.
This is such a subhuman way of thinking

How many more sigs do you think we'll need to be 100% in the clear?

>>714610035
at least 20%, but the more the merrier

>>714584676 (OP)
Eceleb thread, not video games

>>714605654
You missed a few bangers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD4Zip8wQHk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbzFK3D_QvE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8cfrF85USg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh0S1stXKrw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6EjfNdzW0I

>>714609791
... they get holidays?

>>714610630
Didn't miss anything. Only did the best. And 2008 is the absolute last cut-away date. It all went to shit right after.

>>714610035
Ross said 1,4 million.

>>714610035
1.4 ~ 1.6 mil will definitely be in the safe zone, but 2 mil flat and more from there is 9001% guaranteed success. Even yurocucks won't be able to ignore two million fucking people.

>>714597182
The easiest way to work around this is to gradually strip the game to the bare minimum before releasing that as an offline version.

>>714611117
>tries to play the smartass with the EU
>gets fined to oblivion
I am very smart.

>>714611046
2 gorillion would be the highest number of votes any of these ECI petitions has ever gotten, including more than the right2water one which sounds....optimistic.

Does anyone know how many days we have left? I can't find the deadline date.

>>714584676 (OP)
>skg "wins" game end of life receives legislation
>publishers just sell a "final edition" version of their games after support ends with the full retail cost of all DLC released during it's run
>gamer cucks have to pay $1550 to play Serieslop 4: final lap edition
>we did it /v/ we saved The Crew 2

>>714611538
But the EU would definitely fine the company! I know this for sure!

>>714611517
31st of july.

>>714611538
>Release an easily piratable version.
>Have to update all purchased copies to the "final edition".

Yeah I'm thinking based.

>>714611850
pirates always win

>>714586040
>>714611340
What the .jiff will be if I post this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNikkE4nc54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIGxvU3kPA0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV_qzxSdg7E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC24jLhnhRk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkZm6XLJ8gw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5i0S2mUH0Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOlB0LoONCE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5P6ivzs568
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8CKkLlAgRE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKqvppJcqn0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdkw70m1uiE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-YTGv1Gk_s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KNGBRqin78
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGB85RhRjEU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPFOLaYvfoQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuLUzNNnGJA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN8LukhGtLI

>>714584676 (OP)
>Finns are at 0.91% signatures per capita
>meaning almost 1 out of 100 Finns signed this
This is actually insane, please be real

>>714612197
Now if only Finland was real

>>714612197
all me and my bot network

>>714606083
Same thing happened with Vivian in Paper Mario. Vivian is a crossdressing male in the japanese version and a tranny in the english version.

>>714612197
But of course they are. They are genuine, hardcore, sophisticated gamers, after all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SONQTu9QHGA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUMyLm6fMeI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1rrwl8iBQY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2O7rI-Ofo0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAU2fztSODQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvBuOulrE4c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdYZvqUUBaI

SKG is wrong and doesn't have legal or moral basis.
>mandatory central server dependence is anti-consumer
You know what you're getting into in advance and are implicitly accepting the risk when you're making a purchase.
>game preservation
Destroying art should be allowed. Remember how Banksy sold a painting and then destroyed it to make a point?

>>714613637
SAAAAAAAAAAAR

>>714613637
>moral
i'm entitled to my property.
>legal
the initiative aims to CREATE the law we want.
i will see my digital goods enjoy the same legal protection physical goods have

>>714612197
Minority SafePack had 527,686 signatures from Hungary, out of a population of 20 million. 3,350.39% of the required quorum. 254,871 came from Romania, probably mainly drawn from the 1 million ethnic Hungarians living there.
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/initiatives/details/2017/000004_en

>we're almost at 1.3 mil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-vhuXTi7Xc

>>714612197
Maybe this will stop them.
https://stop-finning-eu.org/

>>714612197
Needs to be 10 per 100.

Billy Mitchell should actually sue and take all the ferrets. Then make them brand ambassadors for the hot sauce after relocating them to an actual safe shelter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLGkuG0WWtA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmZuB9i0b-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwSkErUIF9k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHTViwFd3mo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DO4rlaPfCE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geETsBfaNMY

>>714605719
Kill yourself

>>714597883
It's funny how old multiplayer games gave you server tools when you bought it as the norm but now we have to sign an initiative to get devs to do it again

>mfw vidya piracy is absolutely redeemed, completely justified and genuinely unironically endorsed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QDlAHLOq8I

what is this tranny petition?

>>714618165
it is anti-tranny petition, you faggot

Does anyone have that "thank you... for becoming a total faggot for our sake..." edit with piratesoftware and Ross? I need it

>>714618324
>becoming
PS was a gay faggot for a long time, way before that.

I hate how these threads are nothing but the fattest, saddest fucking retards in existence posting the worst bait in existence because getting (You)s is the only way they can trigger their fried dopamine receptors, and then 100 fucking retards falling for it ad nauseam

>>714618402
No like it was an edit of this panel (and the one next to it but I can't find that in english)

>>714618695
Is that a poop in his hand?

>>714618536
(You)r dopamine receptors deserve love too, anon.

>>714618536
You forgot to log in again, tranny. You're not fooling anyone here, you faggot.

>>714618874
I think its like a seashell or something, the manga ended abysmally and i forgot about it.

>>714618536

>>714619073
You didn't need to respond, anon.
It was a rhetorical question (a.k.a. "yes").

>>714586331
20% SKILL
15% CONCENTRATED POWER OF WILL
5% PLEASURE
50% PAIN
AND A HUNDRED PERCENT REASON TO STOP KILLING GAMES

You EU cunts are alright in my book.

>>714613637
It is my consumer right to own what I have purchased
>You know what you're getting into in advance and are implicitly accepting the risk when you're making a purchase.
Not an argument, if I buy a game and the developer shuts down servers the next day it is a scam. It is the same very scam if they shut down the servers in 20 years. The petition specifically asks to forbid this behaviour even if this is in the contract
>remember banksy
He was not sued for breach of contract ONLY because the buyer agreed that shredding the picture was also the art in itself and did not press charges. He very well could if he wanted to

>>714586331
Bots that do... what? Somehow dig up real names, real IDs associated with those names, pair them up and sign a fucking gaming initiative?

You DO know you have to give out an actual ID, right, tranny? You DO know that if you had access to those, along with the first and last name of the person connected to said ID, you could literally take a loan on their name, right tranny?

>>714597720
people are spending way less money on new games than a few years ago, if a game says it will last for 5 years in the steam page, plenty of people are going to find it harder to justify the 80 bucks

>>714606732
>OH YEAH I LOVE CORPORATIONS HAVING ALL THE POWER AND NO CUSTOMER PROTECTIONS
American spotted

>>714584676 (OP)
Why did everyone suddenly pretend to care about this issue anyway?
I don't disapprove of it of course, but I don't know why everyone randomly decided that being able to continue playing some dead online games with no player base is suddenly a critical issue.

Is SKG the first time in years the majority of the internet was united on something?

>>714584676 (OP)
we did it reddit!

>>714620586
I want to own the games I bought and paid for.

>>714611538
While not perfect this is a better alternative to game being lost in time. Also that means anyone who bought the original SHOULD get a free (or at the very least very cheap) update to the full version.

>>714620597
pewdiepie vs t-series was another case
looking back at it it was pretty silly

funk yea less patty y'all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOV2KWDREB8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_jWHffIx5E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DyziWtkfBw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ropn_kwpFDU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFLExwIQKto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYnFIRc0k6E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oawgws1Prl0

>>714620650
So do I, but then again maybe I'm just alone in not being retard enough to buy games I can't own to begin with.
I agree with the sentiment, but in practice it's just seems like such a non issue compared to the millions of other anti-consumer practices that are plaguing video games.

Why aren't people shilling the petitions to stop devs from adding """"micro""""transactions, gambling or battle passes? Or releasing games broken and unfinished? Or forcing anti-cheat malware?

>>714621515
You're free to start your own movement if you're so concerned about those other problems. I'd support you if you do.
But don't come here to complain that someone else did something about the current state of affairs but prioritised the wrong thing.

>>714621515
>Why aren't people shilling the petitions to stop devs from adding """"micro""""transactions
Dunno how would you enforce that really desu ne
>battle passes
same thought
>gambling
europe had pretty big regulations on lootboxes so that's nice
I think losing access to a game you bought is the most egregious and most black-and-white thing and would be easiest to put some actual protective law in here

>>714584676 (OP)
Because Communist slacktvism really works!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDl9ZMfj6aE

>>714622027

>>714584676 (OP)
Imagine being a furry not even being the worst thing about you lol. I think as much as we like to pile on him (pun intented) him being a furry is completely inconsequential in the great scheme of things. I mean it's a little cringe but it's not why people hate him.

>>714584676 (OP)

>>714621515
I agree with you, this entire thread is fucking retarded, just like their little red herring petition.

>>714598932
so if i pour effort in to making a game with lots of love care and attention, i'm supposed to just hand the backend of it over to you so you can turn it in to some garbage whacky bullshit and do whatever the fuck you want with when it's time for the game to end. what if i don't want anyone and everyone to keep the game artificially alive forever in a zombified state turning it in to a gmod darkrp server. shouldn't I be allowed to turn off my server and let the game die? you bought client side software, you never bought a dedicated server from me. this a priori wheelspinning cuts both ways

>>714622420
>artificially alive
>zombified state
You had the mana, Jason. You brought all of this onto yourself.

>>714622420
>so if i pour effort in to making a game with lots of love care and attention, i'm supposed to just hand the backend of it over to you
Yes
>shouldn't I be allowed to turn off my server and let the game die?
No

>>714622245
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5BdJ9_KEi0

>>714622525
tf2 servers are whacky fun but it's not right for every game, and for all of these retards that claim video games are art you're sure as shit ready to cede creative control over someone's art right over to everyone and anyone who can turn it in to something the artist doesn't want to do
>>714622615
>Yes
why?

>>714621515
So, you see, the idea is to force every game to be ownable instead of coping how “you shouldn’t buy games you can’t own”. And there is an extremely simple reason for that, it is more profitable to scam people with “blah blah didn’t sell you shit actually” then to sell actual licensed copies that the end user will own, and as such, unregulated free market will move to that and only stop at the point where the practice will be considered scam by the already existing regulations. So there is no reason to not improve said regulation now.
>why arent
Because there is no precedent. To start anything massive you need both cause and precedent. Otherwise it wont get traction. Politics 101. Other than that, there are countries in EU that banned lootboxes, and if you are EU citizen or know one you can start the petition yourself. But yet again, without good precedent it wont gain traction

>>714584676 (OP)
Bootlickers don't like this.

>>714620650
you do own them, you didn't buy the server side software, only the client side. not a hard distinction to make. if you wanna keep playing the game what's stopping you from modifying the game yourself, or spending money hiring people to code a server for your own personal purposes? why do you feel entitled to software you didn't buy?

Stop voting for the stupid stop killing games thing you faggots. Do you retards realize what you are about to do to us publishers.
This is not about you still being able to play your stupid c&c nerd alert in a dedicated server or whatever. No one cared about that anyway.
But technology had Just About become good enough that we could finally have games with streaming textures / models and pieces of code of a main server.
Technology had Just About become good enough to expect people to have a permanent online connection and most of you tiktok retards would never complain about it.
Finally we were on the cuspe of near unpiratable game. And now you are about to ruin everything!
If this passes then this would force us on a minimum to give access to all the files instead of forcing you to the next FOFM after the initial viral sale spike was over. How the fuck are we going to make any money if you literally own games instead of a glorified dopamine serving streaming service?

>>714623045
Eat my entire ass, shill.

>>714623110
i accept your concession

ITT cool vidya gifs/videos

>>714622878
Because I say so, and I can use the government to force you to do things to my benefit.

>>714622878
>not right for every game
not for you to decide
>video games are art
they are
>turn it into something artist doesn't want to do
just let me play my games fag

>>714622420
>so if i pour effort in to making a game with lots of love care and attention, i'm supposed to just hand the backend of it over to you so you can turn it in to some garbage whacky bullshit and do whatever the fuck you want with when it's time for the game to end
Yes. Alternatively keep the servers online. If you don’t agree to this you should not sell the game at all, nobody is forcing tou to. It is your responsibility to not scam people
>what if i don't want anyone and everyone to keep the game artificially alive forever in a zombified state turning it in to a gmod darkrp server
Then you should continue running the servers
>shouldn't I be allowed to turn off my server and let the game die?
Yes, you can do that while giving up backend so that people can continue playing your game.
>you bought client side software, you never bought a dedicated server from me. this a priori wheelspinning cuts both ways
And you shouldn’t allowed to disable this client side just because you want so, it was paid for and it should remain functional. You can release source code if you want to. You can release server binaries if you want to. You can release a server emulator if you want to. You can release an EoS patch that adds community servers if you want to. But you aren’t allowed to disable client side owned by me just because you don’t want to pay for your server side. Simple as.

>>714622420
>so if i make a game and you pay money to buy it...i also have to make sure it doesn't break?!
yes, now get working faggot.

>>714597182
>your game is dying, devs start losing money.
I don't understand this.
They sold the product and made money from it.
Why would they lose money if the game is dying? They developed and finished it, and then sold it. There is nothing more to do.

>>714623085
you're actually making kind of a salient point, there's all kinds of technology developments that just don't gel with the kind of p2p decentralized model SKG is advocating. dynamic world generation like in no man's sky, server side physics, in the future there might be dynamic AI generated dialogue for NPCs so you could have actual conversations, the sky is the limit in terms of technological development, but for some reason shortsighted people want to anchor every single online game to a model from the days of unreal tournament.
>>714623370
>not for you to decide
if i'm the artist then it is for me to decide, who are you to dictate to me what you can do with my art, I can make it however I want to make it
>>714623601
>Alternatively keep the servers online. If you don’t agree to this you should not sell the game at all, nobody is forcing tou to. It is your responsibility to not scam people
keep them online forever? nobody ever has expected a game to be kept online forever, nobody who bought clientside software has expected service to last forever.
>And you shouldn’t allowed to disable this client side just because you want so, it was paid for and it should remain functional. You can release source code if you want to.
everything you said is wrong, nobody is disabling the client side. go reverse engineer your own server, nobody is stopping you, but I shouldn't be expected to enable that, you actually didn't pay for the server code, you paid for the client software
>>714623721
the client isn't broken if the server is shut off

>>714624179
EAT
MY
ENTIRE
ASS

>>714624179
>who are you to dictate to me what you can do with my art
who are you to dictate what I can do with a product I own?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3suQ9SZo7sQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EBuxXRFzto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o28iTWhdbkg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z7AAoVBAmU

>>714623110
It's not a shill. You are literally responding to PS. We all know he's a butthurt faggot that shitposts here all the time.

This party music is missing Euro metal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3LNi-aPXuc

>>714603347
Imagine little Tommy not buying gaas slop because it expires in a few months like a bag of chips. I think the sunset portion of SKG is a pipedream but having clearly defined expiration dates will force these fuckers to either build a game to last or not build it at all.

I keep seeing people saying "but then they'll keep it alive forever!!" Which is the entire point.

>>714624380
i'm not, you can do whatever you want with your software for your own personal purposes, you're actually asking me to put work in to gimping my netcode for something you're perfectly able to do on your own. go hire your own software engineer to do your gay little project, why should I create games to suit your whims, I'm the artist, you're the consumer so shut your mouth, consume and stop making demands

>>714624275
Present it

>>714624584
Sorry, no, if you want to publish in the EU you have to bend to my selfish consumer will. Bend over.

>>714620468
I can just stop buying from a corporation. Corporations can't jail me for disobedience you retard.

>>714624579
>candlemass
Based and doomicus metallicus pilled.

>>714624584
Just don't sell your game and you won't have any issues :)

>>714622021
...well, about that:

>>714624584
Damn this is a nice larp. Thank you anon. Many laughs had. You overplayed your hand a little here.

>>714624835
>>714624656
sure thing then, you can all buy my game at a slightly higher price than before+tip, except you're just buying a limited service instead of actually owning the software now, guess you'll have to invent some new streamer drama and get another few million signatures next time you want to make some kind of absurd anti consumer legislation with blatant loopholes just begging to be sidestepped with even more anti consumer practices.
>>714624915
i accept your concession

>>714586331
I counted 102% bots with a 2% margin of error. It's not looking boiz.

>>714584676 (OP)
>muslims raping girls
>i sleep

>anthem game no one has ever played shuts down after 10 years
>chimp out

yurotrash land is so fucking retarded.

>>714625128
No, I think I won't buy your game as you are explicitly anti-consumer. I think I'll put the boot to you again later, while you're poor.

>>714624584
it takes more work to make sure it is impossible to run on dedicated private servers though. you gimped yourself. I think it's fine if the government makes you fix your game on the threat of legal punishment. hope that helps

>>714625292
>I think I won't buy your game as you are explicitly anti-consumer
since when has that stopped anyone selling games? the biggest ones are the worst offenders

>>714625367
You aren't big, now are you? If the big names want to lose Europe, let them.

>>714625283
>false dichotomy
>appeal to triviality
>ad hominem at the top
go back to school

>>714624179
>keep them online forever? nobody ever has expected a game to be kept online forever, nobody who bought clientside software has expected service to last forever.
There are three options:
1. You keep the servers online forever
2. You give up serverside when you want to shut the servers down in one way or another
3. You do not sell the game at all
Nobody forces you into any specific option, but you must choose one.
>everything you said is wrong, nobody is disabling the client side
Client side functionality depends on the server side and as such disabling the server side disables the client side as well. I have not paid for the ability to see main menu or “cant log in” error.
> go reverse engineer your own server, nobody is stopping you, but I shouldn't be expected to enable that, you actually didn't pay for the server code, you paid for the client software
Apart from obvious facts of “I shouldn’t be doing your job”, licensing prevents me from reverse engineering the client side. And allowing reverse engineering for your game is the last thing you want to do because essentially removes you IP ownership from it. if I am allowed to reverse engineer the client side, and I reverse engineer it, I now have full rights for this “new” client side that I created. I can sell it, I can opensource it, I can modify it at will, etc, etc and there is no way for you to limit me in any way or get royalties from it, because reverse engineering software is considered new software and belongs to the person/company who reverse engineered it.

>>714623045
>you do own them, you didn't buy the server side software, only the client side
cool, then don't brick the client side

Why are you people continue on responding to this faggot? He's an insufferable cunt.

He has a 850-some pages long thread on him at KF, in the lolcow section. With direct proofs that he's shitposting on 4chins almost every single day.

>>714625979
His tears are just the right mix of saltiness and impotent rage. They taste delicious.

>>714625352
source:my ass
the kind of things going on in AAA games right now is so far beyond the comprehension of your tiny mind, you're literally asking the entire industry that's got server side texture streaming, physics, supporting thousands of concurrent players, ai, cloud computing, cross platform play, the list goes on to take all of that and shitcan it to retrofit it to work like a boomer shooter from the 90s because that's all the solutions your meaningless one track insect mind can come up with
>>714625516
>Nobody forces you into any specific option, but you must choose one.
where's the precedent for this like ever with any kind of software? not even gaming, just any software like ever. why should I do this? you bought client side software, what makes you think you have a right to the server side software? are you a child?
>Client side functionality depends on the server side
Hey I bought this netscape navigator CD but it says I have to like pay for some shit to get internet? what the FUCK!!!!!!!!!
>licensing prevents me from reverse engineering the client side
since when can you not modify your own game?
>I can sell it, I can opensource it
oh wait, you're not using it for your own personal purposes, you're using my software that I developed and sold to you under a consumer license for commercial purposes, so yea, you can't do that
>>714625779
turning my server off doesn't disable your client software

>>714597182
>DUDE CONSOOOM
>OLD THING IS GONE
>SO ACCEPT THE NEW
>MOVE ON

>>714625979
I'm here for the music.

Not EU metal but euro metal all the same
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8VIhIIq-kk

>>714626079
MY
ASS
EAT IT NOW

>>714626082
jej, reminded me of this absolute chad from several months ago:

Congrats on killing games and hurting the industry i guess.
Not like this shit will pass anyway lol

>>714590408
yawnfag

>>714586331
Watching the seethe whenever this is called out is truly amazing. Like, it's just a dude pointing out the most obvious thing in the world, and like a dozen massive faggots go apeshit every. single. time.

>>714626172
Bruh. Mayhem is not even metal. It's not even music.

>>714626241
>>714624275

>>714626325
Fine...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZENtivAi6I

>>714596586
999% arrest lol

>>714626241
Explain to me how putting

"Hey, we will only support this game until X/X/XXXX"

Is killing the game industry?

Just a daily reminder to everyone in this here ITT thread:

>>714626405
who the fuck wants that? that's essentially what we get already, except by making them not commit to it they have to exist on good will to stop shit like that happening, it's really only a card you can play once and for some reason because of streamer drama a bunch of reddit faggots have decided the hill to die on is... the crew from 2014 getting it's servers shut off after 11 years

>>714626610
>who the fuck wants that?
I do.

>>714625979
>he's shitposting on 4chins almost every single day
I want to believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTTILhzeTV4

>>714626795
why? it makes games worse by cornering developers and making them commit to the minimum possible term of service, and gives them an easy out, instead of making them rely on our goodwill, said goodwill they're willing to pay through the nose to get, just look at cyberpunk and concord. why do you want something that's worse than what we have? it will result in games being available for less time

>>714626839
>I want to believe
Go to KF and see proofs in his lolcow thread. It's on first pages, usually, with updates of new exposure/findings.

>>714594487
go through with their regulation plan

>>714626887
...izzat, dare I say, POGS?

>>714627123
I want devs and publishers to suffer.

>>714620082
>You DO know you have to give out an actual ID, right, tranny?
Not for every country retard
France doesn't require an id, just a name, dob and address

>>714627274
they're not suffering, consumers are, all that will happen is that they'll slightly amend their fine print, meanwhile we get an objectively shittier product

>>714627379
As opposed to the shitty product they're pumping out now? Yeah, I'd still rather inconvenience them.
Fuck devs.

>>714626208
well... present it then

>>714627458
where is the inconvenience to them? it actually makes their lives easier by letting them dictate a limited period, rather than leaving things online for an indefinite period and having to guess when they won't get any backlash, they have to spend time keeping us happy, now they can just offer the bare minimum from jump street, it's anti consumer

>>714627716
Informing the consumer is not anti-consumer.

>>714586331
>i-it's 20% bots!
>i-it's 50% bots!
>i-it's 90% bots!
>YOU ARE HERE
>i-it's 120% bots!

>>714622420
>so if i pour effort in to making a game with lots of love care and attention, i'm supposed to just hand the backend of it over to you
If you're selling it, yes. "muh effort, lovin' care and attention" goes out the window when you make it into a commercial product.

>>714627716
If they have to be visibly and boastfully anti-consumer instead of hiding it, it hurts them.
>80 dollars for a game I can only play for two years? Fuck off

>>714626079
>where's the precedent for this like ever with any kind of software? you bought client side software, what makes you think you have a right to the server side software? are you a child?
The fact that I paid for it makes me think I own the client side that should remain functional. As for precedent, not a single software type except for games does this shit where they sell you perpetual license and then decide when to disable it. You either get a fully-offline program or you have to pay for subscription perpetually with well defined end date. All proprietary software that uses first method of monetisation is required to have end support date clearly defined in EULA/TOS(which for some reason is absent from games), and subscription-based monetisation is one of the worst types of monetisation model for the game revenue-wise.
>Hey I bought this netscape navigator CD but it says I have to like pay for some shit to get internet?
I understand you want to move the goalposts as far as they can go, but the netscape navigator main functionality is not affected by you not having internet, it can still very well display web pages you created or saved locally and make the required calls to your network hardware. Game client, unlike netscape navigator, cannot use resources created locally and it is quite literally requested in this petition to make it able to do so when the main servers go offline.
>since when can you not modify your own game?
I can modify it or have the unlicensed version, I am not allowed to distribute or force server side to accept modified version, etc. For personal use I can do whatever I want with client side. Allowing reverse engineering removes the limitations above
>oh wait, you're not using it for your own personal purposes, you're using my software that I developed and sold to you under a consumer license for commercial purposes, so yea, you can't do that
And if you want to sell said license to me legally you will have to have an EoS plan.

>>714599807
FPS games had unwritten rule, if you were less then 5 meters of each others, you would always fight it out with melee weapons.

Now it's all about the metafaggotry.

>>714597182
Retard

>>714627868
they pump out a new madden every fucking year, that shit means nothing, who cares if it's on page 4 of their terms, the average asshole doesn't care if some gamergate youtuber rants about it, because it will get lost in the void, as far as bad practices from the industry goes minimum terms of online service are pretty low for people who will even begin to listen to that crap in the first instance.

I know most of this thread are americans, but damn you have some real faith in the european union. I signed the petition. I don't actually believe it will achieve anything because EU is just a horrible institution.

>>714628187
Then you have no reason to oppose it, shill.

>>714597182
Yes, shut the fuck up and do it or else you won't sell it.

>>714584676 (OP)
Nigger math.
1.4M is 41% extra.

>>714628187
>page 4
That's the thing, it's like that NOW. This'll force them to at the very least declare it.

>>714605719
Lets nuke America

>I signed it so you would be malding
>Here's why the petition is bad: I am malding

Endless supply.

>>714628589
Where do I sign up?

>>714584676 (OP)
Fuck off EU shills

>>714627853
if I have an artistic vision for a limited ephemeral experience there's nothing that should stop me. a less abstract example is super mario 35, that was a limited online game that was only available for a short time, the point is that there's no principle under which you can claim to force artists to make their art in a way you want them to make it, you can't limit expression in a way where you're dictating I can't make something that's limited and disseminated in the way you're choosing, that's up to me because I'm the one with creative control and the greater principle here is free speech.
>>714628060
>The fact that I paid for it makes me think I own the client side that should remain functional
the client side is functional when the server is shut off
>not a single software type except for games does this shit where they sell you perpetual license and then decide when to disable it
yeah, you're actually much worse off with other software, where buying the client side software is just one of many expenses
>All proprietary software that uses first method of monetisation is required to have end support date clearly defined in EULA/TOS
not true at all, there's no such requirement anywhere
>Game client, unlike netscape navigator, cannot use resources created locally and it is quite literally requested in this petition to make it able to do so when the main servers go offline.
yes it can pajeet, if i modify the game I could emulate a server myself
>I am not allowed to distribute or force server side to accept modified version, etc.
right, and that's standard anywhere you go, the functionality of the client side software has nothing to do with making shit for you to distribute and isn't sold to you as such, so don't talk to me about shifting the fucking goalposts
>And if you want to sell said license to me legally you will have to have an EoS plan.
source:my ass

>>714628258
they managed to get refunds

>>714628878
Jej, kill yourself

>>714628561
so if i'm a shill what's your excuse you disingenuous worm, are you the shill now? WHO'S JEWING WHO???
>>714628348
I don't want that, I want them to play it by ear and keep me happy, your one size fits all solution is anti consumer for the reasons i stated

>>714628878

>>714629125
granting refunds would cripple steam

>>714584676 (OP)
*We've reached the 41% of the extra 40% goal
Bro are you american?

>>714629285
I don't care about the reasons you stated. I want the consumer to be informed before making a decision.

>>714629523
you are informed, there's literally no minimum they have to abide by. what in your mind even changes? this is standard across all kinds of software, it's provided with an indefinite period of service, that's it.

>>714629792
I want there to be a minimum they have to abide by and I want it to be fully disclosed to the buyer at the point of sale.

>>714584676 (OP)
You retards are crazy if you think the signings for the past two weeks aren't botted.

>>714629946
I'm gonna bot your anus

>>714629870
there is no minimum, the minimum is nothing, it's supplied with no minimum, but everyone knows they wouldn't do it. that's how it is now, SKG doesn't want there to be a minimum, nobody is even talking about a minimum

>>714630019
>the minimum is nothing
That's not enough, I want more.

>>714629320
Next time you should recolour the Ubisoft logo to look like the Indian flag.

>>714630103
don't buy any game then, nobody is advocating for it, not even skg

>>714629056
>if I have an artistic vision
Your artistic vision doesn't matter when there's money involved.
You can't just hide behind 'art'. Just look at literally any artistic industry, they all have regulations on them in some way.

>>714630165
I won't.
But I still want the consumer to be informed.

>>714630257
>i want the consumer to be informed
but they are informed, you know full well it comes with no explicit end of support when you buy it, so what's the issue? if you don't like that then don't buy it. you are informed that there's no guarantee of support, you have all you need to make a decision whether or not to make a purchase of the software

>>714630629
Not enough. Must tell exactly when the service will stop being provided.

>>714630235
>ummm some regulations ummmm doesnt matter ackshually...
like what faggot? like i said, there's already a standard in the software industry to not offer an explicit end of support, and some games are even made with being limited time things as a feature, so what do you expect to change, you gonna outlaw mario 35? on what grounds?
>>714630716
nobody has ever done that as long as software has been sold and it's not gonna change

>>714630851
They'll have to start doing it now.

>Finland at 521%
Fellow corposhills, how are we supposed to stop the finns from preventing us to swindle people?

>>714629321
I mean EU pressure forced games to give two hour refunds

>>714629056
>the client side is functional when the server is shut off
The client side functionality of a multiplayer shooter game is to provide me with the ability to play a shooter game with other players. If disabling servers does not impact said functionality(e.g there is community server browser or players connected locally can join my game)there is nothing to be done from your side. Otherwise disabling servers breaks the main functionality of the client
>yeah, you're actually much worse off with other software, where buying the client side software is just one of many expenses
Software has to function perpetually or have a defined end of service date when the license expires and should be renewed, simple as.
>not true at all, there's no such requirement anywhere
CRA, SDLC
>yes it can pajeet, if i modify the game I could emulate a server myself
Can only modify client, not emulate serverside. As in you can mod the client side so that it doesn’t need connect to any server to launch the lobby, but there is no way to allow another player in because that would already be distributing. That does not cover the main functionality of a multiplayer game, playing with other players.
>right, and that's standard anywhere you go
No, not really
> the functionality of the client side software has nothing to do with making shit for you to distribute and isn't sold to you as such, so don't talk to me about shifting the fucking goalposts
You sell the multiplayer game, I should be able to play with other players perpetually after I buy it. Dont care how really, but the client side main functionality should be preserved and that’s your job. Thats what I paid for.
> source:my ass
Nah, the source is this EU initiative that will fuck your kike ass so hard youll beg for comunity servers to be enough by the end of the decade

>>714631065
>The client side functionality of a multiplayer shooter game is to provide me with the ability to play a shooter game with other players.
you're sold the software with no explicit end date of support, it says in the license agreement they can terminate support of the game, you never bought the game with an indefinite guarantee of support
>Software has to function perpetually or have a defined end of service date when the license expires and should be renewed, simple as.
I disagree, and the law is on my side
the rest of your post is more of the same. if you're buying microsoft office or fifa you're not given an explicit end of service date when you buy it, if this isn't the case you should be able to show me some kind of law or demonstrate some kind of example but you can't because it's just not the case

>>714631763
>you're sold the software with no explicit end date of support, it says in the license agreement they can terminate support of the game, you never bought the game with an indefinite guarantee of support
Their termination of support should not affect my purchase and it’s main functionality. I once again repeat the example, if I buy a game and the developer shuts the servers down the next day it will absolutely be a scam and I will be entitled for a refund despite the fact that they said they can do so. This has already happened with “The day before”. There is no point in time at which this practice becomes non-scam. I am purchasing the game and I expect it to remain functional, doesn’t matter if you disable servers or no.
>I disagree, and the law is on my side
That is why the petition specifically asks for the law to be changed, so that it is on my side.
the rest of your post is more of the same. >if you're buying microsoft office or fifa you're not given an explicit end of service date when you buy it, if this isn't the case you should be able to show me some kind of law or demonstrate some kind of example but you can't because it's just not the case
MS Office with perpetual license does not depend on MS servers to be functional
Office 365 with renewable license has the license end date when you purchase it. If you purchase Office 365 license for 1 year and half a year later MS decides to stop the servers, they will be either forced to honor your license and keep your access to Office 365, or will have to refund you. I dont get what’s so hard to understand

>>714599404
stfu jew

>>714631763
>if you're buying microsoft office
Kike, not only MS office 2003 will edit office files perfectly fine, it also has A FUCKING COMPATIBILITY PATCH that adds forward compatibility and allows you to edit docx/pptx/xlsx/etc without extra fuckery with external format conversion. Not fucking over consumers used to be a normal fucking practice

>>714632449
>Their termination of support should not affect my purchase and it’s main functionality
what doesn't function? if you coded your own server the software you bought would work fine
>That is why the petition specifically asks for the law to be changed
there's no changes SKG would make, they don't say anything about a minimum term of support, only that once that support ends they've got to provide additional software
>>714633320
don't buy the software if you dont like it

>>714633502
We, the people of european union, dont like software without end of support plan so much that we wont be purchasing it any longer. In fact it will be forbidden to sell such software here so that you kike cant scam kids and elderly. Questions?

>>714634005
lmao so not just games but any software ever must be supported in perpetuity thorough the whole universe? how do you handle open source games then mr. genius legislator?

>>714633502
>what doesn't function? if you coded your own server the software you bought would work fine
We already discussed this, it wouldn’t, because it main functionality(playing with other players) would not be possible to implement without distributing, which contradicts personal use
>there's no changes SKG would make, they don't say anything about a minimum term of support, only that once that support ends they've got to provide additional software
It implicitly forces games either to make it irrelevant by having a EoS plan or adopt a model that has clearly defined license expiration date

>>714634179
>must be supported in perpetuity thorough the whole universe
Yes.
>how do you handle open source games then mr. genius legislator?
Already handled, their source code is open for public retard.

>>714599252
honestly, if he just said one "sorry" and one " i was in the wrong ", just one of these he will become a victim and people will somewhat try to defend him. Now, he is receiving a lot more hate than deserved, but he still does not apologies, doubles down, hell, triples... hundrets down... and he just does not understand that others view points are somewhat valid and he is not the only guy in the universe.

Seriously, if i were in his situation i could just end the whole drama with " yea man, I am sorry for roaching that one time - i panicked, it happens, i may not be the best " and " yea well i do not like the EU putting laws into any productive process as they never mandate shit in any way to make it better . also i have a vested interest of getting the most freedom possible. "

instead, he just behaves like a narcissist. He can win sooo easily. just needs to be honest.

>>714599357
What the fuck is wrong with Cyprus, Luxembourg and Malta?

>>714635036
Heh

>>714599252
Kek, he's going to quadruple down into oblivion.

>>714611538
>A 95% discount on $1550 is $1472.50. This means the final price after the discount would be $77.50.
So during a Steam Sale it is technically possible that this idea of yours may work given a 95% discount.
Of course only 1 person has to buy and then upload the files online so that pirates can get the 100% discount after that.

>>714635036
Cyprus and luxembourg are tax havens and malta is “i want eu passport quick” country for Russian oligarchs

>>714599252
>he would rather see SKG not only fail its goal but hurt gaming as a whole for both players and devs (which is what he thinks it will happen if it gets their goals) rather than admit that maybe he was wrong about it

>>714635310
>“i want eu passport quick” country
I'm not a russian oligarch, how do I get a malta passport?

>>714611538
>>714611707
Because EU is known to go easy on companies that try to maliciously comply instead of providing the requested consumer benefit lol. I mean apple tried.

>>714634814
>he is receiving a lot more hate than deserved
nobody actually did anything permanent and serious against him yet so your statement is not accurate he still deserves a lot more hate
he deserves to be bullied until he breaks because it is quite literally the only chance he will get better, so far the only thing he has taken accountability for was being impolite while describing ross personally and even that part was clearly a non-apology

>>714635372
Pay 200k euro or smth as investment to malta economy

>>714635561
Fuck.

Don't the devs complaining that they can't do this realize the much easier way to comply with this law. All they have to do is put an explicit expiration date on boxes or store listings (and no, not the lame, copout, illegitimate line about purchasing a "license" buried in the TOS). A simple
>this purchase provides you access to this game until December 31st, 2027
Or someshit.

>>714635551
he is 40, and basically needs to be broken like a 16 years old.... its absurd, like I agree with you, but also.... all he has to do is say a few "sorry" words.

>>714634769
>Already handled, their source code is open for public retard.
but you want support forever, so what are they supposed to do? just invent a perpetual life machine so they can stay alive forever? the post im replying to said they want support for all software forever, so if i make something open source i'm going to have to spend forever supporting it, because it's freely offered

>>714635593
They know they'll lose a lot of sales if they do that.
>inb4 but muh retarded consooomers, they'll buy it anyway
Yeah? Wanna bet on that? Why don't you do just what you suggested and we see what happens, eh?

>>714596715
That's the only thing that should come out of this. What are they gonna do, outlaw providing services that might end?

>>714635672
Open source code already allows perpetual support without devs intervention

>>714635593
Thats unpredictable. How will a dev know if it will need to be shut down or not? The main reason will be that its not successful enough to maintain like Anthem or something, something that they didn't plan for.

>>714584676 (OP)
Fuck Amerimutts We WILL win

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo_-KoBiBG0&list=RDJo_-KoBiBG0&start_radio=1

>>714635817
Damn, now they have to build an end of life plan into the game during development. Oh well.

>>714635962
That means the guaranteed date will be like 1 month. You really got em good. You're so smart.

>>714620082
>Bots that do... what?
discredit the entire initiative when it becomes clear they arent real voters.

>>714635817
That's the whole issue of selling services pretending to be goods. If you're not sure you can keep your game alive for a year maybe you should be charging a monthly fee instead.

This whole initiative just reeks of child brain.

>>714635796
how the hell can i guarantee that? i'm on the hook now to make sure it's available forever aren't I? so i've gotta now make it available forever? what happens when we're all dissolved in to LCL and i can't get the code to work on the hive mind computer retard

>>714636027
Works for WoW. Which, makes it already perfectly compliant with this law.
Now, how many games are you betting players are will into pay for in 1 month increments at a time?

>>714636105
>every game becoems subscription based
t-thanks ross

>>714636201
It doesn't make them switch how they monetize the game, it would just make them keep the server up for at least 1 month after release.

>>714636109

yeah there's so many retarded children that argue against their own interests

>>714584676 (OP)
Honestly this whole thing is starting to feel like Sarkeesian 2.0.

You all say it’s about ethics or accountability or consumer advocacy, but at the end of the day, it’s just another excuse to dogpile someone you don’t like. First it was “he hates Stop Killing Games,” then it’s “he cheated at Animal Well,” now it’s “he’s a furry and cried one time”? You’re not fighting for a cause. You’re flailing for reasons to justify being cruel.

Same exact tactics:
Take clips out of context
Spin every emotional reaction into “proof”
Invent some sinister hidden agenda
Make harassment sound like activism

Anita said games affected people and got doxxed for a decade. Jason said review bombing doesn't fix anything and now you want him to disappear from the internet. Only difference is the side of the aisle doing the screaming.

You turned SKG, which started as a genuinely good idea into yet another purity test. If you’re not 100% aligned with the mob, you’re evil. If you disagree publicly, you’re a grifter. If you try to defend yourself, it’s “cope.” This isn’t consumer advocacy. It’s just GamerGate with a new coat of paint.

Jason never shut down a game server. He didn’t scam anyone. He didn’t mistreat his team. He spoke up about bad-faith actors weaponizing SKG and now you’re trying to erase his whole career. What the hell is that?

You’ve taken a movement about preserving games and turned it into a harassment campaign to destroy developers.

Congrats, you’ve become the thing you claimed to fight.

>>714595328
Correction, any devs that wish to sell their game in EU. So pretty much every game. But yes, devs having to remind people that they're only renting a game for 80 bucks is good enough a change. Good luck selling anything after that.

>>714584676 (OP)
SKG will never pass in its current state because of the extra burden it will place on the indie developer community.
>Many marginalized developers—whether part of the LGBTQ+ community or working in underrepresented racial or ethnic groups—operate in environments already strained by limited resources, smaller teams, and systemic barriers to funding.
>“If these proposals become law without nuance,” said one Zurich-based queer indie dev who wished to remain anonymous, “we could be forced to release server code or build fallback systems we don’t have the budget for. Larger studios might weather that. We can’t.”

>>714636464
>Honestly this whole thing is starting to feel like Sarkeesian 2.0.
Move this bit to be the final sentence, also fix the reddit spacing. Now I just stopped reading your bait immediatly.

>>714613028
>That pic
You niggers never actually played these games on their original cabinets, huh

>>714636539
>I have to make a game that I don't have the resources for!
aight

>>714636458
It's in everyone's best interest not to indulge socialist nonsense.

>>714584676 (OP)
Games are not physical products you can "own". They are walks in the park, a softball game with your friends, a trip to an amusement park. They are just things for entertainment to pass the time.
You don't gain full ownership of the park or ball game because you spent $20 on a ticket.

>>714636615
Sauce?

>>714636380
You think people are still going to pay full price when they see that they are only guaranteed to have the game for a month?
It would absolutely change how they monetize a game.

genuine question, why is that pirate software guy opposed to this cause? i didn't even know who he was, i thought it was a piracy website, when i looked him up i seen that he's a streamer and game dev, but when i looked at his games they looked like shit, like some game maker trash, very amateurish, why would he care so much about this cause? it's not even related to his garbage tier games.

>>714636162
Anon, if your way out of this is making source code public then you’ll probably have to upload it to some EU archive and EU will handle it from there lol, no need to complicate things with 3rd parties

Petitions are fake-and-gey. Video games are not art, they are an industry. I want to see the end of gaming industry.

>>714636539
What's with this spambot

>>714637010
He wasn't against it, the SKG movement took his message out of context and they're now just constantly harassing him for no good reason at all.

>>714637151
It’s not a spambot, it’s just what happens when someone tries to turn a video game preservation debate into a college thesis. Dude wrote a whole dissertation about how laws might hurt queer devs in Switzerland because their Discord server lags sometimes.

>>714636951
>park analogy
>in eu
Lol. Lmao even.

>>714637151
It's not a spambot, nobody could actually refute it.

>>714636346
If that worked they would all already be doing it, because that would be way more profitable.
They don't, because it is a notoriously hard market to squeeze into, and no legislation is going to make it any less risky of a move.
It would still be easier for most devs to either unshackle their game from private servers, or come up with an end of life plan, than to try to sell subscriptions.

>>714584676 (OP)
Donald Trump will kill this movement dead.
The EU shouldn't be messing with American companies if they don't want tariffs to increase.

>>714636539
We might need to release the source code we dont have recources for
How the fuck did you write it then faggot

>>714637331
Nobody cares

>>714636965
Yes, I do, and yes they will. Because they already do that with no such guarantee in place.

>>714637542
Pure undiluted copium

>>714637542
Well then this initiative shouldn't be a problem for anyone. What are devs so worried about?

>>714599252
>literally quoting himself
You can tell he felt really clever when he wrote itand have been looking for an opportunity to say it for days.

>>714626319
You are brown and American lmao

>>714638112
>eurocuck calling anyone else brown
oh the irony

>>714636539
I got curious enough to see what this guy has worked on and it's a lot of various little Flash and Itch-like games. It seems the thing he's most known for is making a functioning version of DOOM that uses a piano as the controller.
https://youtu.be/sJu997jwBcA?si=yMpr-NZKGdopHONj

>>714629056
>if I have an artistic vision for a limited ephemeral experience there's nothing that should stop me

Correct.

You can make whatever you want. This doesn't change what you can make, it changes what you can monetize.

Make your ephemeral experience. Make it free.

>>714638216
t. Robert Gonzales from Ciudad de Houston

>>714636539
>it will harm the tiny indie developer
I didn't know the tiny indie developer had billions of dollars lying around to make an always online game, how could I have been so foolish?

>>714636954
The Cannonball Run
Actress is Adrienne Barbeau

>>714594487
Ideally,
>force producers to allow players to host servers, which implies the death of the cancer that is matchmaking
>failing that, when producers close servers down, provide the developer files to allow players to set things up themselves.
>additionally, have games from consoles that are no longer sold be playable one way or the other, be it PC port, backward-compatibility with contemporary consoles, or otherwise.
This would be a big win for consumers and a blow to corpos. I'd say however, that its potential to be a wake up call for corps to sort their ethics out, would be wishful thinking.

>>714584676 (OP)
1mil+ people signing an initiative that will actually benefit sub 1000 people and thats being extremely generous
Also anyone notice that even Ross kinda wants it to be over at this point? Its really weird he started this movement and in his latest video he sounded dejected when the movement might not be dead yet

>>714636539
>all these tranindie studios "if you can't hire poc disabled trans folx then you shouldn't be in business"
>can't even maintain a code base without crying

>>714638546
making anything that isnt a 90s boomer shooter illegal is retarded. you want to make any kind of technological advancement that is beyond 1990s game design illegal, you want to make art you don't understand illegal. you are a moron, if you only want to play your dated gen x shit then nothing is stopping you from playing that until your natural expiration date. making art illegal to suit you gay little polemic isn't the way the real world works sweaty ;)

Most of you retards don't seem to understand how complex running a server for modern games is. It's not like "here's a server.exe for you, have fun" at all.

>>714639309
uh you don't understand bro, texture streaming, server side physics, ai, dynamic world generation, just make it a p2p executable and it will be just be like muh quake server browser

>>714639309
Already was debunked several times, Jason.

>>714599252

>>714585159
I appreciate all the old school DDR songs you posted, Anon

>>714637010
Gamemaker studio?
>Very amateurish
Unreal engine 5?
>Now that's real professional
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEFoaxa3ZrY

>>714639309
it literally is that easy, with maybe the addition of running a sql database if your server.exe doesn't spin one up automatically.

>>714638679
Thank you, anon!

>>714639309
If you lack the skills and/or funding, then dont make a multiplayer assfaggot game :)

This was the easy part. The hard part is winning the argument instead of just shitting on Thor.

Corpocucks are afraid

>>714639309
Nobody cares, ur job to make it work or you cant sell your shit here. Gl explaining that to investors:^)

>>714637412
Cared enough to reply

>Let's. Fucking. GOOOOO~!

How does this affect indies & smaller studios?

>>714639715
>>714639896
>>714640151
it's impossible to make that work if you want a game like no mans sky with a sole consistent world with dynamic generation for all players, if you want AI integrated to let NPCs in an RPG give dynamic responses, and all kinds of other technological shit like streaming textures, server side physics, thousands of simultaneous players. they even say so on the SKG faq, so now you have to author a gimped version of your game, literally taking the paintbrush out the artist's hands and making them paint the picture you want to paint because you're nostalgic about the 1990s, nobody can make a limited experience, nobody can advance technology beyond laggy host advantage p2p gears of war servers, we all have to play millennial faggot gen x manchild games FROM NOW ON

>>714640327
What if little Jimmy wanted to make his own multi-billions dollars always online game, huh? How is he gonna do that if the regulation passes?

>>714596715
then why do they have to put so much effort into stopping it?

>>714640618
Crooks hate it when you're taking away their ability to swindle people.

>>714640523
small indie artists are making games with AI integrated for NPC dialogue, which isn't feasible with the SKG model, the more technology progresses the harder it is to move back towards dated hosting methods that cater to a small average audience of about 100 people that care about any given decades old game

>>714640729
If you can't afford to tip maybe you shouldn't eat ou-

Wait wrong argument. If you can't afford to make an single-player game without the use of AI then maybe you shouldn't develop games.

>>714640729
So what you're saying is that the movement also prevents people from cutting corners? That's even better than expected.

>>714640327
It's a non issue.

>>714585159
is resetera still a thing?

>>714640516
>it's impossible to make that work
Then you cant sell tour shit here :^)

>>714640327
In the event they want to sundown their game they'll have to make it so others are capable of creating the systems that allowed them to run the game in the first place. It really does seem like the issue is purely companies not being able to/not wanting to give out possibly proprietary systems. Like where does it fall if the devs had some third party handle that shit? Do they get roped in too or is it just "now you need to gheri rig your game to work a totally new way"?
>>714635791
No just give people the ability to continue with those services without your further input after your ass is done.

>>714640909
>>714640882
it's not a cutting corners thing, it's a natural evolution of talking to npcs that eventually you should get some dynamic responses, it's quite literally the natural progression of the technology you're trying to halt. AI already exists, it's out there in the ecosystem, people are making games with it and you can't unbake the cake, and you can't legislate your way in to making that viable for a 90s style boomer shooter method of hosting a game server, it requires immense centralized computing power, just like most other games that have been developed under those circumstances because that's fundamentally where the R&D money has been spent for the past decade and a half

Thor's drones are sabotaging with fake IDs

>>714640516
>and all kinds of other technological shit like streaming textures
Name ONE fucking game that streams its textures from a server.

>>714641457
Stadia

>>714584676 (OP)
I don't even play video games...

>>714640516
>no mans sky
>dynamic generation
>AI integrated
All of these suck btw

>>714641528
kek

>>714641457
modern warfare

>>714641575
yeah, being able to just talk naturally to an npc in an rpg sure is terrible, i sure do love being able to choose between, yes, yes (sarcastic) and no for every dialogue option. this stuff is just the tip of the iceberg anyway, the fact is that the future of multiplayer games, any way you look at it, if it's huge maps, thousands of simultaneous players. all of the R&D money has gone in to having these games hosted by a centralized server with immense computational power with access to resources like cloud computing, gaming is a fusion of art and technology and you want to halt the technology and start censoring the art. it's not even enough that the license is explained to you at the point of sale, which it always has been for every game, you buy the game with no explicit date for the end of service, because that results in developers being able to price games more reasonably, which you are accustomed to, setting minimum terms would jack up the price, leading to more complaints, if you're not happy with that you could just not buy the game and allow those that are generally happy with the way the industry handles it. so far where is the big greivance? the crew was supported for 11 years. but not only that you want to gimp the technology so now you're not just buying client side software, you're not entitled to server side software. forget the fact that this is a completely retarded unfeasible pipe dream which would never be tolerated, it's just not workable with the kind of technology games are built with today, SKG even admit that on the FAQ and suggest building a different game where features are cut or scaled down? so now you aren't even getting the same game anyway. what's the point? it's nonsense gobeldigook from retards that don't know the first thing about video games, how they're made or basic matters of fact

>>714640516
>Ai Integrated NPCs in an RPG give dynamic responses
gay and retarded just have it written and pre-established like every online rpg before
>streaming textures
Faggot game engine gimmick started by unreal engine that causes pcs to chug instead of having baked in lighting and textures already ready to go in memory like in old games
> server side physics
Probably not hard to deal with
>thousands of simultaneous players.
Community will probably be able to host the servers fine
I don't know what your problem is but you sound like a corpo cocksucking /g/fag asshurt that people want to be able to own and experience their online games that the community can well take over given the chance and are more than likely up to face any challenge for the sake of preservation just like we see with emulation

>>714597720
and there should be rules that those games have some kind of offline mode to prevent people from wasting those money. I mean, they already wasted them, but you catch my point

>>714624715
they literally could in the good old days of the early XX century, but the dreaded socialism arrived and prevented that. That's why they spent the last 100 years brainwashing you

>>714640327
can't think of any online only single player indie games

>>714643630
what's your solution? giving armchair criticisms of AI dialogue or nitpicking one aspect or another doesn't change the fact that a game like no man's sky is built around having a central, live updated world that changes in real time, where new things are dynamically generated and updated for the thousands of simultaneous players, and more games will look like this and have similar features as time passes. your solution is just banning these games from existing, halt the progress of technology? right now technological progress has gone in the direction of centralized solutions, ai, cloud computing, streaming. if video games are a fusion of art and computer technology then they're intrinsically linked to how that technology works, becoming a neo luddite and banning new technology isn't possible and didn't work the last time it was tried, these things exist whether you like them or not.

>>714644967
the solution is providing an offline solution if the devs ever determine that keeping the servers live is less profitable than shutting down the servers

>>714645128
>how do you reconcile the fact that some online only games are intrinsically tied to a server capable of cloud computing, or access to immense computing power
>just make the game offline
brilliant

>>714594487
offline mode for end of life very simple

>>714645330
I'm not asking for the game to be as good as when it's always online

I don't think the EU will go as far as make offline mode mandatory, but a

>the game service will be assured at least until some dates in the future

seems fair and costumer friendly enough

>>714645530
but they should make an age verification and limit in spending on kids's games because that's basically bankrupting people

>muh dev
if they get money from exploiting children, fuck them

>>714645408
so a video game designer, an artist, wants to make art, which is a fundamental human right. he wants to make a game that's a shared online only experience, something that relies on AI, vast computing power, something that uses modern technology. Forcing him to retrofit it to outdated netcode methods isn't compatible with the technology, and also doesn't align with his vision of a central shared experience for all players of the game, a game that is a limited experience. Like any other artist he sells his work, and when buying his work you're told exactly what you're getting just like any other game today, you're getting a piece of software with no explicit end of service. What gives you the power to create law that infringes upon his freedom of speech?

>>714645773
if they plan on charging money for the art then yes

>>714645773
I don't give a flying fuck about your art if you expect me to pay for it.
As soon as money is mentioned your precious art is just another product and has to obey consumer rights.

>>714599068
>>714599276
SAR DO NOT REDEEM
BLOODY BASTERD BENCHOD

>>714636539
Isn't the requirement just that you have to have a something left after their servers go off? If a small indie game wants to do online, wouldn't it be more likely that they already go with the peer-to-peer and self-hosting options which would avoid the problem entirely? Or if that's not how they wanna do online then they at least have the option for single player after the super unique experimental online feature that causes the whole game to work goes down... which they would probably have anyway. Overall indie devs, even the ones doing the theoretical epic online stuff this guy is talking about, will undoubtedly be far less affected than the big corporations this is actually targeting because they already design with their budget and limitations in mind whereas larger companies just don't care.

>>714645957
>>714645973
you can't just make up a consumer right out of thin air that de facto prevents someone's free artistic expression like that, you're talking about erasing an entire genre of art because it's not to your taste, that's not how a democratic society works. there's nothing that infringes your consumer rights if an artist sells you a piece of art that has no explicit end of service like any other video game, it's your choice to agree to buy it

>>714599126
Isn't he fucking an ftm?

>>714646389
If it's bought and sold, it's a product, not art.
If you want to do art for art's sake, you're free to do so, but don't expect any money and most importantly don't expect any sympathy.
Muh free speech doesn't give you the right to violate consumer rights. Go fuck yourself.

>>714646421
We're not sure he's the one doing the fucking.

>>714646389
that's valid if they don't charge for it

>>714646529
>>714646624
what consumer rights are being infringed if you agree to buy a game with no explicit end of service? you were informed at the point of sale, where is the injury?

>>714646716
If it's a good, it doesn't have an end of service (because it's a good).
If it's a service, it must be clear WHEN the service ends. Saying it will end isn't enough.

>>714646716
none which is why this petition exists

>>714646807
it's a good, the service is provided free of charge in most instances. you're given client side software

https://youtube.com/@SlopNewsNetwork
Damn even a random anti-thor vid gets 350k for a newish no views youtuber. The algo feeds total pirate software destruction

>>714646583
Does pegging actually count though?

>>714646894
Nope, I'm not buying a client, I'm buying a game.

>>714646869
that's how games are sold today though, the petitioners seem to have a problem with it

>>714646925
Other than oral that's probably the only sex they have so it either counts or they're a sexless couple.

>>714646936
i'm buying some time away from your retardation

>>714646961
every game is sold like that today?

>>714647015
Don't spend all your money at once, you're gonna need some to give me private servers later.

>>714635249
So it's just about piracy then. You stupid cheap cunts have been watching the same industry die as i have right? It's because you fucks aren't buying games. You're killing games.

>>714628154
That's actually a compliment to him.

>>714646389
>you can't just make up a consumer right out of thin air

Yes... yes you can actually.

>>714629320
>>714630136
Do the needful:

>>714640261
>Lethal Company
It's good.
>Hollow Knight
It's good.
>Mob Psycho
It's good.
>Adventure Time
It's good.
>Berserk
It's good.
>Lain
It's Lain.
>Evangelion
Rahxephon is better, but, hey. Asuka and Misato.

>>714584676 (OP)

>>714647778
>It's Lain
What did he mean by this?

>>714641028
They've been sperging and frothing-at-the-mouth seething about GG 2.0 since day-one.

>>714647851
Makes you feel alright?

>>714645530
I'm not expecting much but yeah, at least that would be the bare minimum that's actually realistic enough to happen.

>we're almost at 1.3 mil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuMspVWT9Eo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNK9MA7NUiM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa-BHkS2kCQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fzaj_YO_qT4

>>714584676 (OP)
Less than 5k today, it's dead.

>>714649373
It's barely 8AM in here. Fuck off.

>>714649373
YWNBAW.

>>714647113
GTFO. Now.

>>714646115
Kek, his fixation on goats is hilarious. Projection is rael.

>>714584676 (OP)
Euro Gods keep making mutts and pajeets seethe

>>714652773
Russia is Europe, retard.

>>714653047
you wish

>>714645342
based

Are they really expecting four hundred thousand invalid votes?

>>714645530
If they force companies to put "rent" instead of "buy" for GaaS, that'd be a major improvement already.

>>714652773
Why do you ignore Luxembourg, Cyprus and Malta? Their per-capita signatures are higher than most other countries, they just have a higher quorum. Luxembourg has decent chances of still making it.

>>714653135
Educate yourself, brainwashed sub-21 IQ amoeba cuck.

>>714653290
It's just a buffer for an extreme case of fraud, they swung a very net out of paranoia.
iirc they were told even 200k fakes would already be a pretty extreme case.

>>714652773
The EU is destroying the essence of Europe, the people.

>>714586331
∞% mad corpo loving troon

>>714653461
and next you will say Turkey is part of Europe because of Istanbul

>>714653290
According to the EU, the low end for invalid votes is like 100k while the higher end is 250k. This one will probably be on the higher end since people all over the world are going to be invested.

>>714647113
>You're killing games.
God, if only. So many series/IPs and developers/studios should've died years ago.

>>714627214
All of this smells like glowie shit wanting more control over video games and using gullible idiots to push for it, color revolution style with the kids in the front. It's too well organized and there's too much confetti and glitz around it.

As usual, the idiots who are being used because they are useful will get everything they deserve.

>>714653863
Go back to your shithole, /pol/tard.

kek

>>714621515
>not being retard enough to buy games I can't own to begin with

You don't use Steam?

>>714620597
no, everyone hates indians

>>714597182
>force devs to waste time and money creating offline modes for abject autists who can't say farewell to their shitty shovelware game?
Yes.

You faggots forgot the most important and absolutely obligatory ones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbyOe4qD7EA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsqdMQPYJWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5mU3PPVqHk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fGHo1pQfng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWOrUc56XXE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0wi9koaeSw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEJqugJ5fio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmz4rnb-pPI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l7e5Gm2lyU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujYaZkv3hfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PBE_MYOFcw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2Q-ob_qNhE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMBBSH2JBu0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7HPyUcy37I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4zwb9OU_lw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvLof1pTnkY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy6BdcOyE8Q

>>714599252
So much vitriol, he's on full-blown narcistic meltdown now.

>>714647851
You just know.

>>714612352
50/50 shot
Call it.

>>714586331
200% Mad

>>714597182

>>714597182
Enjoy the crash

>>714652773
What did Belarus ever do to make you White niggers hates them? They didn’t even join in the war.

>>714626319
in a month it will be announced that it got 1 million legitimate votes and you're going to move on to the next cope

>>714585159
Based eurobeat, anon.

>>714597182
dont post my wife thor

>>714597182
40 years of video games created an industry without ever once needing always-online mandated for a singleplayer experience. Millions of dollars in profit have been made from simply selling a physical game that functions when inserted into hardware.

You already lost by ignoring this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bXL1RSmm2Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70sF31VBOAc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkIRAjStZv8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgFzOeE7m1I

>>714658463
>war
What "war"? There is no war.

>>714658506
What onemoo?

>>714636539
>say no even though you don't have 100% control of the situation or prophetic powers
>it happens and now people say you lied
what do these retards want

>>714658629
>40 years of video games
60, if counting since the very beginning (Tennis For Two on oscilloscope and Space War).
Also, purely technically arcade cabinet games originated in their rudimentary form even earlier, like, in late 1800's ~ early 1900's. And Nintendon't is a literal hanafuda-swindling yakuza.

>>714645530
>no offline but game service will be assured
Imagine all the headache of trying to close all the loopholes. I'm imagining some malicious compliance where every game company just claims they'll guarantee their game will stay up for at least 30 days. That way customers will just get used to it being the norm again and get taken by surprise when it gets shut down.
I mean what would the required service period even be? A month? 6? 12?
What happens if it goes down early?Full refunds like Concord?

This is why just building the game from the ground up with a plan to allow users to keep playing it would simplify the entire issue. If a company makes a flop of a game and have to shut it down in 3 months the few people that liked it could keep playing because it was built with that contingency in mind.

>>714636539
Bring back the ol' faithful tactic.

>>714645530
If the idea is to minimize dev costs, keeping a game online far beyond some level of profitability seems far more expensive than just making it so that people can still play the thing they paid for. Understandably some features might not work because they relied on some online component but it's not like the whole game needs to be taken behind the woodshed.

>>714659756
Change EA with every single dev ever.
Blizzard? Rape allegations, stolen breastmilk at the office, etc.?
>UHHHH FUCK UHH..... SOLDIER IS GAAAY YASSSSSSSSSS, NOW WE'RE IMMUNE TO CRITICISM!!!

>>714659756
>M$ is currently in shit
>can't smash gays in case of emergency now
Grim

>>714635791
Yes companies won't be allowed to sell games that has hidden expiration date.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx6HPEBpYg8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsGAsJBW6zM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u79Ojs3TSqE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R1LY_yIaJ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8d3bW42aFY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eXZ97tRIK0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMRPI93H-a4

/thread

>>714605719
>Save me daddy government
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRON_project

>>714660296
>TROON pooject

>>714586331
>90% bots
>almost a million fraudulent votes
>on an EU initiative
>implying that wouldn’t get the EU to look at it even harder
Sometimes I wonder where you guys get your insane takes from.

>>714660165
the problem being?

>>714627214
2019/770

Investors are shitting themselves. Get ready for corporate shills doing everything in their power to run disinfo, kill momentum and try to swing the narrative their way.

>>714660646

>>714660532
Damn so they're going to fine the fuck out of the companies too? Can't stop winning.

>>714660461
being

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5DGs4b-M4M

>>714660792
>meanwhile, in ETERNALLY GLORIOUS mother Russia:

>>714660461
Yes.

>>714658506
What's the anime?

>>714584676 (OP)
You're alright, I won't be wearing your moron face as a party mask today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzabCVOBUJI

>>714660532
>retarded kike tries to cite a law it does not understand
>the law actually directly contradicts his kvetching
You love to see it.

>>714594487
kill ubisoft

>>714662421
jej

>>714640618
AAA studios abuse the slippery slope in their monetization daily.
Why wouldn't they know the dangers of giving a single inch?

>>714660532
>2019/770
That's a "Directive", it directs action but gives no valuable protection to anyone. It's not a law.
Have you read it? It's extensive, sure, but it's all written in hypotheticals.
>2011/83/UE
This is also a directive, although a bit older, a lot broader, and it includes many suggestions regarding consumer protection.
HOWEVER! And that's very important! Paragraph 31 of the preamble explicitly mentions
>games are excluded from the field of applications of the present directive
>>714662421
>>714663130
So yes, one can assume that dude hasn't read the papers. They're pretty complex, not really that long nor esoteric but they are dense.
One can quickly understand what needs to be understood using Ctrl+F. And what needs to be understood is that videogame consumers aren't actually protected under current European regulations, thus the need for an initiative like Stop Killing Games.

>>714663283
>that dude hasn't read the papers
He's a butthurt tranny faggot, what did you expect?

>>714599252
>waaah, strangers said really mean words at me
I didn't see Ross crying about his fanboys coming to shit on him.
Also, I can't tell if sliding in the 100% true stuff in among the plain derogatory remarks is him trying to be clever, or if he's just delusional.

>>714663283
Of course he hasn't, he's not interested in finding out the truth and standing for actual, real liberties. He's interesting in doing a job he's paid to do.