Played this for an hour, didn't understand anything, walked out of town and got killer by the first mob.

Uninstalled.

>>714609534 (OP)
Bro, you can punch the enemies right outside the city state gates to death naked.

>>714610012
maybe he started off as a taru white mage or something and got an unlucky crit

get filtered retard

>>714609534 (OP)
Another hylic filtered. Thank you, Tanaka-san.

>>714609534 (OP)
Actual retard

>>714609534 (OP)
you know you can make XI threads without bait OPs, right?

The level cap increase quests kinda suck dick

leveling a blue mage right now. been told its a good job for dynamis currency farming.

>>714609534 (OP)
Man I remember how excited I was to play this when I got it on PS2. Even as a kid it took FOREVER to do anything in this game though. Unless you had like 3+ hours to play you may as well not even boot it up.

>>714613275
the only bad one is LB3

Considering picking it up, any good beginner's guides so I have an idea of what I'm doing?

>>714609534 (OP)
Just play FF12:I:ZJS:HD, that's FF11: Offline.

Though it utterly baffles me no private servers have gotten near-retail yet for a 20 year old MMORPG.

>BUT SQUARE IS UPD--
They stopped giving expansions about 7 years ago, dude. It's long past time to make a private server with about 80% of the content available.

>>714613564
im actually playing both off and on rn. FF12 really takes a lot from 11.

>>714613554
check the beginners guide on the ff11 wiki. Game is convoluted enough you will want the wiki constantly anyways.

I've been playing on retail for a month.

It's just not the same any more, there is no more accomplishment in being a casual player because everything is easy and uncapped, meanwhile the hurdle to actually enter endgame and play with other people requires massive prep beyond what I have time for. There is no longer any space for a "middle class" player like myself who just wants to feel accomplished in completing Missions or collecting maps because all that stuff is handed to you.

I will always love the world and characters though.

never played a MMORPG, which is better to start FF11 or 14?

>>714609534 (OP)
Based. MMOs are already designed to waste your time, but this one takes it to the extreme.

I tried this game during some kind of anniversary event it felt weird running around by myself. Wanted to make a blue mage but having to unlock it was bleh. Maybe I should try it again as a Beastmaster

>>714609534 (OP)
Horizon is still going strong for the real experience last I checked.

>>714613817
Neither. Any MMO that's still running has completely gutted the social aspect that made the genre appealing in the first place, and private servers that maintain the way things used to be have no casual players and just hardcore minmaxers who will shame you for playing suboptimally

>>714613817
Start with Oldschool Runescape.

>>714613817
What games do you normally like?
FF11 is an actual MMORPG where the focus is on you building your character and exploring the world. The systems are autistically deep and they don't explain jack shit to you because they expect you to either figure it out or ask someone.
FF14 is a 300 hour visual novel where jobs aren't even allowed to be different from one another because some tranny on discord will have a meltdown if his favorite job isn't meta.

>>714613854
You have to unlock beastmaster too. But you will need one of the basic starting jobs to use as a subjob anyway so it's not wasted experience

>>714613878
yeh one of the few still running without all the gay trust and other cope mechanics
I wish the coding base wasn't full of retards flinging shit at eachother, treasures and beyond hasn't really progressed much past the nasomi days and any server that add treasures has to include a fuck ton of cope mechanics due to nothing working

>>714613958
>>714614023
Thanks
>>714614041
I usually care more about the story aspect of older FFs/Square games

>>714613854
Puppet Master is the cooler blue mage

>>714614232
>I usually care more about the story aspect of older FFs/Square games
They both have good stories, it's a question of whether you want actual RPG gameplay between cutscenes or if you want to spend most of your time walking between waypoints and reading text boxes.

>>714611164
>>714612076
>>714612910
>why did mah mmo die? fucking WoW!

>>714609534 (OP)
Adam Sessler, is that you?

>>714613878
I've played a lot of old online games on private servers, they inevitably go to shit when the people running them have some drama. I dont consider it worth the investment especially in a game like classic XI where progress takes years

>>714614376
You seem confused. WoW's audience was completely different than XI's. WoW's launch didn't even budge XI's sub numbers because nobody gave a shit. XI died because SE intentionally fucked it up to try and get everyone to move to XIV 1.0.

>>714614334
Have you played FF11 recently? Because modern FF11 is "walk around and talk to NPCs, let your NPC buddies kill everything while you whack the mob for 10 damage and pretend you're helping". You don't actually get to engage with the RPG mechanics until you finish the story now

>>714613347
Even as a kid I'd get on this and morrowind (xbox version) with only 30 minutes and still loved it. I'd have my home point in saruta and die repeatedly to a crawler, but finally killing it was the most satisfying shit

>>714614473
WoW did not kill old school MMOs because it was stealing their subscribers anon, it killed old school MMOs because it made studios realize that you get way more money appealing to normalfags and so every company moved on to making WoWclones instead of good games

>>714614535
Yeah, I've been taking my wife through it and only limit breaking when we absolutely have to. There have been many times where we had to strategize and swap subjobs and equipment and trust loadouts to actually win against shit like Ark Angel EV or the Z'deis in Ru'hmet, or clutching out random NMs we spot while we're walking around. It's been a great time.

>>714609534 (OP)
>XI elves are specifically the toughest brickhouse-built race
Absolute kino. Elves as willowy limp wristed fags has gotten so tiresome.

>>714613564
>Though it utterly baffles me no private servers have gotten near-retail yet for a 20 year old MMORPG
i think thats just because nobody who makes a private server wants it to be caught up to retail content wise

>>714613797
This is something they're actually going to address. They've talked about in some recently Freshly Picked that they want to get more people to endgame faster. So they're making the chain exp campaigns more often and doing stuff like the recent free Bonanza Weapons.

And while yes it is easy these days to do the Missions, I highly recommend everyone to go through them regardless if you're with friends or not. It's really good.

>>714613564
>have gotten near-retail
Probably because retail has been dogshit when Abysea came and took a shit on the game

>>714614903
It's funny to me how literal PS2 era cutscenes are way more expressive than XIV's
>nod
>punch open palm and nod
>shocked face
""""cutscenes"""""

FFXI players providing unbiased information again

tell him about playonline

>>714609534 (OP)
filtered, as intended. I'm amazed you found your way out of town without a questmarker zoomyzoom.

>>714615027
That's because PS2 was the peak of video games.

>>714613374
LB1 is arguably harder for a new player. At least 3 you can theoretically do solo.

>>714615065
>i have to........ input my ID....?
>and then....
>my password...........?
>wtf how.......?!
>unc really put up wit dis?? he goofin!

>>714615190
come on now

>>714613817
14 gives you a claear line to follow and should slowly help you learn how to get used to a modern day mmo, 11 kind of just drops you in and makes you figure out stuff on your own or you'll be having a wiki pulled up while you play both are ok in there own way but it heavily depends on what you're looking for

>>714615278
That's literally all there is to it.

>>714615169
lb1 is just travelling to the three jeuno dungeons and killing shit. it's tedious but it's not particularly hard. at worst the liches might be faggots with their drop rates
lb3 is the one that mainly filtered people; it generally needed either full groups or overleveled players who already did it to carry you

>>714615278
Warning, coal burning ffxiggerv lalafel detected!!

>>714615169
you can solo this now with a new KI to open banishing gates

>>714613817
XI is a billion times better than XIV in every category outside of tranny dressup but will filter you immensely as its a very user hostile experience

>>714615490
>>714615524
Oh I wasn't talking about now, I meant 75 cap era. Yeah I guess LB3 burden of knowledge is harder in trust era.

>>714615027
This is mainly because the animations for XI are handcrafted. Each arm & body & face movement hand done unique just for that cutscene. XIV has animation banks for cutscenes to save time. But as far as XI WoC, he also has an issue of nodding and stock animations, really apparent in WotG.
And you can tell the budget drained out for TVR when they just used Illustrations for potential cutscenes.
>>714615169
Hardest for me was Genkai3 just because I had no backup, really aggressive enemy spawns, & this was before crystal warping straight to the place, and the stupid Yagudo password system.

>>714615747

>>714615636
desu i agree with that other anon even in era
>LB1 just needs a full party
>LB3 still needs an alliance or someone who has already done it to carry you between lmaocrits and -ga spells

>>714615636
Oh yeah at 75 cap LB1 was a big PITA

>>714616053
I think you're mixing it up with LB2
that said LB3 is still harder because of the fucking true sight mobs on the yagudo one

>>714615190
I keep forgetting my play online password because its different from the square enix account, like every time I want to go back to play some retail I have to reset that shit because im a retard

>>714616231
why don't you write it down in a txt document or something?

>>714613797
As a long time player, I can do all the story missions solo, but I'm really impressed with any solo player who joins now and can actually beat the voracious resurgence final boss without any assistance on it or assistance getting gear beforehand.

>>714616365
Thats the thing, I'm pretty fucking sure I did. I'm pretty sure I had it in my password manager but when I tried to use it POL goes "wrong info dickhead" and its not like I had caps lock on or anything

>>714613797
Who are you in competition with in 2025 XI? Play the game at your own pace. You are 21 years too late to bring anything useful to the table for actual current endgame 1%ers so who are you catching up to, again?

>>714615065
PlayOnline is fine it only went to shit when Squenix decided like fags to transfer all the accounts over to to square enix accounts

>>714616458
TVR requires mastery too if I remember right because you need the Ultimate weapon. That's a shit load of grinding.

>>714609534 (OP)
Filtered as intended.

>>714616590
shouldn't be like that. who will you groom to play support so you can have fun doing dd?

>>714609534 (OP)
This is a completely different game to what it was years ago.
Not worth playing either way.

Endless sexual intercourse with Shantotto

>>714616931
Please note that current 1% top end-game is 9 boss sortie and rank 25 gaol fights. Literally any other content is within reach of most players after a few dedicated weeks.

The point is: You shouldn't feel like you have a compulsion to reach the endgame right away in XI. Especially since that is impossible due to how much you have to do first. You are finally free to enjoy the game however you want. There is no one to "keep up with" beyond yourself.

>>714616590
Did you understand my post at all? The reason I liked XI before is because you could go at your own pace, you could be proud of improving 1% at a time even if you never got to fight any of the HNMs or whatever, now there is zero gap between "braindead pointless content where you just have to walk to the zone and let your Trusts handle everything" and "hardcore players you will never catch up to." There is no longer any satisfaction to completing the braindead easy content and I will never catch up to the 1% hardcore content, that is the problem I have with the current version of the game.

>>714612076
>Hylic
I love using that word as an insult.

XI is the only good FF game

>>714609534 (OP)
OP here, I'm trans btw.

>>714609534 (OP)
Offline version when?

I dont get how the fuck you are supposed to beat 8-1 Maat fight.

wiki says he can cast bene in response to a WS, but he seems to just do it whenever the fuck he wants, and I cant kill him before he does it.

>>714618465
Wrong game, dipshit.

>>714613797
I feel like there should be more trusts like kupofried that give rewards for doing content with less combat-based trusts, trusts make the game viable but they also kind of suck the fun out of the game

>>714617359
That and the master trials, including the one that's still completely unbeaten. But those are entirely for bragging rights. (except the glowing dagger technically being best in slot for rdm no tp feed enspell shenanigans).

>>714618546
It's any WS, even Murmor's. Use WSs only for the first 25%, use your regular skills and magic for the rest.

>>714618872
>mumor

FUCK. I was literally just using me and my bot. Neither of us were WS'ing. Didn't realize she was triggering it.

>>714618958
Trusts too can affect it, so be careful on your choices there. Trusts like Iroha II uses WSs all the time.

modern gamers (and WoW players) are completely unable to function unless they have a line or arrow telling them where to go at all times and have a character that is unable to die unless they go afk for 10 minutes with 12 mobs hitting them

I remember trying to figure online play for ps2, you had to get a cd and a fucking hardware extension.
Did those retards even release a ps2 with inbuilt internet adapter?

>>714619101
yeah, didn't even have trusts on. It seems my issue is me and my bot arent strong enough to kill maat before mumor triggers a bene.

might try some other attachments and see if i can up the damage.

>>714619180
>I remember trying to figure online play for ps2, you had to get a cd and a fucking hardware extension.
Didn't they sell the game with the HDD extension included? I'm pretty sure that's how I bought it.

>>714619296
>>714619180
I'm pretty sure it came with a HDD but not a network adapter. I remember signing up to some playstation underground thing and they sent me an adapter for free with SOCOM and then I got a HDD when they sent me the FFXI beta.

>>714619227
It really is just a gear and ball knowledge check. If you know your job in and out, to deal enough damage.
Spellcasters btw seems to handle the fight better than regular melee or ranged jobs. Magic burst carries.

>>714619734
yeah i dont have the best gear. Earlier resurgence missions were pretty tough.

been gliding on the fact puppets can be absurdly tanky.

>>714619951
Yeah TVR expects you to get to mastery & end game gear. So grind it out buttercup.

>>714609534 (OP)
I'm glad private servers exist, modern Square Enix deserves to burn

>>714609534 (OP)
I remember playing this game for a bit.
And after a group some random drew and sent me a picture of my Felvaan.
As a giantess
Fun times.

>>714609534 (OP)
bump

Why are women in Vana'diel so committed to showing thigh?

>>714622681
>game developed by straight men for straight men
simple as.

>>714622681
>>714622868

>>714622943
SOVL

>>714615190
Initially it had 3 different IDs and 2-3 different passwords just to bootup FFXI

Cool music and kino sfx but cmon

>>714618720
I only use the loli trust team, make the game a shit ton harder if you don't have other people/robots to help you

>>714614041
actually it's the japanese bitching on the XIVforums that cause all the job changes

>>714614331
BLU/PUP and PUP/BLU are the greatest job combinations in the game

>>714613295
it's the best iteration of blue mage in any of the games. it being broken for 10 years is just a bonus

>>714609534 (OP)
Every time I try to get back into it I don't know what the fuck to do
I'm at such a weird part of transitioning from early endgame gear to (what was once) mid that half of my stuff isn't even viable for either now

>>714618518
you can host your own server for free if that counts

>want to come back for the free xp boost trust, procrastinated getting the free big dick weapon like a retard
>figure I would probably need to pick a different job to ease myself back in
>really, really love BLU
>every guide is like five miles long and I don't know what people want
>people say WAR and MNK are the most braindead but they aren't cool

>>714609534 (OP)
You can't progress in the this game without waiting hours to join a party. I remember not liking this game, but my friend thought it was fun.

>>714627564
>I remember not liking this game, but my friend thought it was fun.
My friend introduced me to the game in December of 2003 (I was down from university on christmas break), told me to buy it, I bought it from best buy, and I was obsessed with it for 4 years straight. He stopped playing soon after starting. I think it really did have a binary appeal.

>>714625705
I know what you mean. I stopped in 2016 but I never played with a dedicated group, so drops needed up upgrade the various 119 gears into more special forms weren't realistically within my reach. I never had an REMA weapon either, which became more and more needed for highest-level strats. Well, I say highest, but like you said at that point the stepping stone I couldn't reach solo was more properly considered the midpoint of the journey to final endgame. I can't even imagine how permanently far behind I am now. I'd only scratched the surface of things like the job mastery points, on only a couple of jobs.
And yet I keep feeling a growing desire to play again even though I don't know what I'd do with myself.

>>714629154
I got a like 4 or 5 relic weapons by selling those koenig shield for that currency you can get every week (I forget now what it's called) and then camping the AH or people's bazaars for the cheapest dynamics currency. It was pretty easy and felt pretty good considering how long I had dreamt of them. This is was like 6 or 7 years ago at least, I doubt it's hard to get them still. Getting them up to 119 was easy, but I never upgraded all the way with that omen currency (forgot what that was now too). Still good enough to solo and have fun with. I may go back for a mythic weapon someday but I'm still on the "finish every assault mission" step and I couldn't be arsed last time I played.

>>714625705
Once any new player reaches level 99 and makes sure to do the various RoEs related to that, your gear goals should be getting your 119 JSE (they've added a number of things to make this go faster), doing ambuscade to get a maxed out ambuscade weapon (easier then ever barring the pulse weapon for the final stage), getting +2 ambuscade armor, and doing domain invasion for domain points.
>>714627564
>You can't progress in the this game without waiting hours to join a party.
That was a long, long time ago at this point.

>>714627549
All the guides are written by people trying to rush you into endgame, if you actually want to just play at your own pace and appreciate the game play BLU. You don't have to pay out the nose for spells and instead get to visit uncommon areas of the world to learn them from enemies. Plus as a fresh level 99 BLU has decent solo capability to start getting you towards acceptable gear for harder content.

>>714622943
God I want to fuck Nanaa Mihgo's 2 retarded flunkies

>>714630034
A problem I have as a new player is that you have to invest so much time in a job before you even really know how it functions in a party. I got to GEO99 and then realized I have no idea what the fuck a GEO even does because I spent the whole EXP process just grinding up my Geomancy and Handbell skills. At least in the old game you would have a good idea if you liked how a job plays by level 25 or 30

>>714618223
Kek what a nerd.

>>714613797
>I've been playing on retail for a month.
>It's just not the same any more
I have a master level 99 on Asura on Retail and I essentially gave up and went back to private servers like Horizon. Retail XI is really awful.

Horizon is slow as shit admittedly as well. Getting to a camp sometimes requires 10-30 mins. Then you are EXPing for 3 hours to get one level. Dont even get me started on how shitty it is without a BRD. Even if everyone has capped weapons and using sole sushi, there is still tons of missing attacks. Without a BRD parties full genuinely awful sometimes.

That said, I did all the HNM shit back in 2005 and I finished all the stories and expansions on my retail character. I spend most of my time on Horizon just fishing and levelling crafts to make gil for fun. I haven't even done the first limit break quest. I have like 6 level 50s currently and I enjoy playing new jobs. Probably wont even go beyond level 50 because I know the grind after 55 is terribly slow.

But still, Classic > Retail

>>714632790
Sole sushi is such a fucking meme, go pizza for exp. or is pizza toau and not on horizon yet?

Is crafting worth it on retail? I remember back in the day crafting was like millions of gil of investment before you started to make back a profit.

>>714613817
What do you think? Fucking retard

>>714632845
Not sure, haven't seen anyone use pizza yet up to level 50. I usually just go Squid Sushi +1 because it's the same price as base Sole Sushi and all you lose is +5 STR.

>>714614632
>studios realize that you get way more money appealing to normalfags and so every company moved on to making WoWclones instead of good games

>implying wow wasn't good
>implying enjoying polished games is being a normalfag

>>714613817
>never played a MMORPG
You're too late. The party ended 20 years ago.

>>714633056
WoW was never good. Everyone who actually played MMOs back then, like me, knew it was casualized, streamlined trash. And you can see the consequences of WoW in the industry right now.

>>714633056
I played WoW SoD for the first time ever a few months ago and I can kind of understand why people would like this back in the mid 2000s. It definitely feels larger and easier than XI. XI was torture at times.

The sheer hubris of still charging a monthly fee is almost impressive

>>714633158
My favorite thing to do on XI was to use BLU and PUP to figure out cool lowman strategies but the game has been solved now so retail or private servers have no appeal

>>714633278
You can still enjoy it even though it's been solved

>>714616746
>redditfrog
Ok retard keep larping as a FFXI player your kind are the type to play for an hour and leave after DSPing their way through it. Kill yourself casual & redditor

>>714633373
Frog website.

>>714633136
>die when a second mob attack you when you're already fighting one
>casualized
no
>but...but...muh xp loss!!!!
as a former retail S grade L2 player:good fucking riddance
Wow took what made mmorpg great and made it not autistic.

>>714633559
>Wow took what made mmorpg great and made it not autistic.
Translation: It casualized it for mass normalfag consumption and foreverially raped the genre.

>>714633559
>retail S grade L2 player
Year and actual level

>>714633056
WoW was a highly polished smooth experience but as far as the MMORPG aspects go it's kinda shit. Basically the reason WoW was good back when it launched was entirely because most of the community consisted of people who played MMORPGs before WoW. With WoW Classic's release we saw what happens when that community is replaced by modern gamers. It was a garbage tier experience.

Idk how you guys did Lu Shangs back in the day legitimately. Even botting it takes days and days.

>>714633559
>rpgs are autistic i hate that im glad they turned into button mashing stand outside of the swirls slop and stat sticks
dumb ass nigger

>>714633812
It's funny how I used to think people with Maat's Cap and Lu Shang's rod were the coolest people ever back in the day but now I realize they were certainly people with no lives who just played FFXI with welfare money

>Only real skill based job left is White Mage
>People just bot it and can play better than any human

>>714633215
Keeps tourists and grifters out at least.

>>714633962
FFXI was never really difficult. Everything just takes a huge amount of time on it. The only reason I can play Horizon at the moment is cause I left my job and I live on savings. There's no fucking way I could play this if I was working fulltime

>>714633158
it absolutely was and its success was more than deserved, it was a ridiculously polished experience for the genre at the time and in contrary to what the turbo autists keep saying it was not a "baby" mmo, you needed to nerd out if you wanted to achieve anything in the game, but people just enjoyed the universe.

>>714633704
75 or 76, blade dancer, around 2006. I didn't even like blade dancer but my friend who pushed me to play L2 made me picked it and in hindsight i understood why they wanted me to play BD instead of gladiator when I said I wanted a dual sword class. I quite frankly don't miss the horrendous grind and and the sub class questline just made me quit.

>>714633054
Yeah IMO sole is only for running dynamis or some shit if you wanna do big WS number. I don't see the point of using it in exp, unless you're just that rich.

>tfw played ffxi on the day of the NA release
>will NEVER get an experience like that again
it hurts bros :( even the private server scene I will never have the time to spend on the game again. Not to mention it was devoid of faggot zoomer 4chan kids trying to be edgy to fit in, the community was so good once you got past the 'JP ONLY' people

>>714633956
>button mashing
you fucking subhuman shitskin, that's literally what non wow mmos used to be

>>714634056
That's just sad man, WHM is my favorite and a lot of fun to play. IMO 90% of dps jobs are boring as fuck, you just auto until you get tp and that doesn't generate much dopamine after you've done it 100x. Most fun I've ever had was being second enfeeble RDM in dynamis tav back in like 2008. We got like 5 RDM hats that night.

>>714633559
Fuck off furfag, go suck dog dicks somewhere else!

>>714634297
>friend
meant friendS, we had a pretty big clan of IRL friend and those fuckers were huge knowledge nerds about L2 which is why i got to grind to S grade with them else I would have quit the damn game before A grade honestly.

XI was the best of the systems-first, gameplay-second MMOs of the likes of SWG, RS, UO, DaoC, and EQ.
I just don't see its appeal after MMOs that had both good systems and good gameplay like Guild Wars, LotrO, Dungeons & Dragons Online, etc. came out.

>>714634362
yeah i love button mashing 12345 in ff11 oops that doesn't happen and you'd know this if you weren't underage and a nigger

I fucking hate Red Mages that job can do more than anyone else in the fucking game and yet the people who play it do nothing but complain that the job isn't even more powerful.

>>714634571
To a true RPG nerd systems are gameplay, what you consider "gameplay" just gets in the way of those sweet systems

>>714614376
this, but unironically. funny, because they're coping like bitches to this statement after crying and shitting about WoW for 21 years for stealing their players

>>714633402
If this is a frog website how come you are not allowed to post on /a/? Checkmate dick sucker

>>714634583
true, you didn't have that many buttons to use.

>>714632686
What people will tell you is that you'll learn your job while getting job points up to mastery.

>>714634671
This. RPGs are about resource management and character building, that is the meat of an RPG's gameplay.

>>714634757
>Implying people even want someone who doesn't know what they're doing in a Capacity Points party

>>714632886
Crafting is worth it for people who are willing to take the insane amount of time and gil it takes to make a crafting shield. Except cooking I guess. The cooking shield doesn't do a lot for you comparitively.

>>714634347
The private servers are very similar to mid 2000s but obviously the community isn't the same. It's mostly just adults now. The amount of parties I've had already where someone has gone "AFK kids crying" or some shit is insane. Back in the 2000s I think FFXI was played by lots of teenagers.

>>714634297
Would have to have been 76 since 75 is still A grade. 2006 would have been either C4 or C5, a good time...
Gladiator is much better at raw damage (and PvP) but BD dances were pretty OP for raids.
>>714634567
>would have quit before A grade
You're lacking in dedication
t. Someone who has raised every single class in L2 to max level and then again on my own Private Server

>>714634598
Retards like WoW players forget that it's the jack of all trade job.

>>714634571
The meat of the game is playing with the systems, if you play for long enough the "gameplay" just becomes annoying memorized imputs you are forced to do in order to engage with the systems.

That's why I hate shit like timed button presses in turn based RPGs, it's engaging at first but late in the game when you've mastered the timing its just an annoying step you have to take every turn getting in the way of the actual decision making

>>714613564
>>714613610
12 is my favorite FF game. Is 11 really that similar? If so, I might try it.

>>714609534 (OP)
>worst MMO community of all time
>worst UI in a videogame of all time
>most AFK-gameplay of all time
>birthed the tranny ff14 community
>ruined the FF franchise forever

FFXI is the only MMO I always come back to. Not sure whether it's because it was my first or not. I've played so many. FFXIV, WoW, WAR, AoC, AION, TERA, GW1, GW2, SWTOR, RIFT and probably way more I can't remember. I feel like XI is the only one that got the feeling of a large dangerous world you're adventuring in. And that you have to rely on others to help you. It's very immersive but also very time-consuming. The rest of the MMOs I mentioned just end up becoming min/max type games where everyone speedruns them

>>714634757
>Look up <job> guide.
>It's 10 fucking pages about which gear you want to macro to every Ability
>Never explains what the fuck you're actually supposed to do in a given event or how to literally play the job.

>>714634675
Not a single person has ever complained about "WoW stealing players" from their game, especially old school MMORPG players because the consumer bases were not the same, they drew from different wells.

They have complained that you, the wow player, have for the last two decades bothered every other playerbase you can find and cannot shut the fuck up about your daycare game.

>>714635160
There are a number of very good video guides on youtube about how to play jobs, the text ones are generally for gearsets and items.

>>714634939
I mean the grinding was inhuman, I had many sleepless night farming baium's tower (looked so fucking cool, by far the best location in any mmo i've played). The pvp/political aspect was by far the highlight of the game, shit really felt bigger than you. Loved the concept of the cursed swords though I think that's when the updates became controversial. I just went with the flow so i had no shit about the ins and outs.

>>714635076
This poster is a result of bad parenting and being handed a tablet at a young age.

Name a bigger downgrade in Relic to Empyrean

>>714635168
>Not a single person has ever complained about "WoW stealing players" from their game
the people who still play ff11 have insane delusions. must be survivorship bias

>>714635367
Definitely. Past 76 you had to know the prefect locations, have a good party (but not have it be too big because XP splits), and play like an unemployed NEET every single day and you might go up 1 level per month.

>>714635653
read
>>714614632

>>714635697
>>714614632
delusional

>>714636026
>>714635653
see
>>714635168
>They have complained that you, the wow player, have for the last two decades bothered every other playerbase you can find and cannot shut the fuck up about your daycare game.

Instead of talking about WoW in a WoW thread you have purposefully chosen to join a thread about a 23 year old MMO, one you clearly have no interest in or knowledge of, in order to annoy people and talk about WoW.

People keep saying selling Sparks and Unity Accolades gets you "only" a couple million a week but how the fuck are they getting Sparks and Unity Accolades that fast?

>>714636347
Playing the game, it's hard to not cap sparks in a few days. Unity Accolades you can cap really fast during a "Gain Experience" window.

>>714636385
Do Sparks accumulate naturally with EXP or do you have to do the daily objectives? Maybe mine are slow because I'm not 99 yet?

>>714636447
There are a number of repeatable RoE quests you can accept, things like do 500 damage x amount of times or get x amount of crystal drops. It may not seem like much but if you stack those and play the game normally you'll be rolling in sparks.

Stop talking about retail.

>>714635574
Just fuck my shit up. Granted RUN didn't have much of a visual identity to begin with so it's just #2.

>>714636670
Retail is different but still an amazing game and experience. The 75 cap golden years were a magical time but that time is gone my friend, we cannot return to or relive it.

>>714636670
Retail is the game.

>>714636721
>>714635574
All the Empyrean armor is ugly as sin, I guess since Lockstyle was implemented they gave up on making gear that looks nice

>>714636670
retail is a paid private server with tedious kill 400 mobs to progress grinds, that regularly turns good content like limbus into dude what if you killed 'insert content name' raptor 50 times lmao
75 cap private servers are the true FFXI

>>714636727
Horizon is right there with a very decent 75 era and some QoL changes.

>>714636670
Not playing your discordian fanfiction.

>>714636903
Private servers are nothing more than OC donut steel versions of XI, they are not accurate depictions of 75 cap XI nor are they worth investing any sort of long term effort in to. Perfectly fine ventures if you wish to test the waters, but not a good taste of what XI is, or rather was.

Since this is a FFXI thread. What's a good sub job for a DRG solo player (with trust helpers of course)?

>>714636906
Sorry I'm not interested in >>714637075, I played XI during it's entire 75 cap era, I don't have an interest in playing a childs version of it that is run by a circlejerk.

Retail scratches the occasional XI itch, it's still lovely.

>>714636903
private servers were the superior way to enjoy those older mmos. My best L2 experience was on a private server that retained the effort aspect of grinding/crafting but made it doable by actual human beings.

>>714637086
You can't ever get 2004 XI back regardless. But private servers are the closest. Retail is the furthest from real XI because it's changed far too much to be soloed.

>>714637178
I believe /SAM is still the go-to option for 2 handed users, there are more advanced choices but you can't go wrong with Hasso.

>>714637178
Probably SAM but DNC would also be good to have leveled for exploration.

>>714637236
Private servers are not as close as you seem to think, and this is ignoring the community AND knowledge aspects of what made XI great.

>>714637462
>ignoring the community
Retail XI has no community though. At least in Horizon I can /yell for someone to help me get my subjob items and I can about 20 /tells from high level players wanting to help.

Real XI was a war between the players trying to figure shit out the developers trying to fuck with the players as much as possible. This is why private servers will never be the same.

>>714637638
Asura exclusive problem, or else you are asking for help with shit that is easy to solo.

>see ffxi thread
>suddenly need to listen to the sountrack again
vibin' to selbinas theme rn
spent so much time idling in that town

>>714637086
retail has reached the point where it caters exclusively to current players and keeping them grinding for a month so they get their sub. Newer players are going to be stuck playing content that's at least 7+ years old these days. They have tried to bring back older, better content like Dynamis and Limbus but the older content has always been better and more polished. This is where retail falls flat

>>714635168
trvthnvke!

>>714637718
>easy to solo.
Antithesis of XI

>>714637638
>he plays on Asura
I made a new character to play with my wife a few months ago on Phoenix and instantly had a guy at the Windurst gate start talking to me offering to show me the ropes.

>>714637638
If you enjoy it anon that's great for you, I'm happy you are having a good time playing XI, but private servers are as the other anon said, fanfiction. I put in my 20,000 hours playing XI, I'd rather enjoy retail for what it is today rather than play a poorly thrown together version of what XI used to be.

>>714637723
RDM shorts looked like THAT from behind?!

>>714637767
There was lots of shit that was easy to solo during the "golden age" too. Shadow Lord was trivial after they raised the level cap to 60. Half of missions could be sneak/invis'd through.

>>714637268
>>714637281
Aight, sankyuu

>>714633373
>saying this to the first NA 75 of my job on Asura
Crazy seeing this as (me)

>>714614473
I played ffxi, and dropped it as soon as I tried WoW for the first time. FFXI was such a slog, it was extremely unfun.
>grinding was the only way to level
>required to party just to grind
>took an hour+ to find a party
>took another 30 minutes to get to the region to start grinding
>had to fight with other groups for one of the 3 monster spawns in the area
>each kill had 10 minutes of downtime
>this meant hours of playtime just for a single level
>enemies would aggro and follow you all the way to the loading zone
>if you died you would lose days of EXP
>can de-level and become unable to equip your gear
>everything was extremely expensive and necessitated RMT
Classic WoW was such a dramatic improvement. MMOs are dead now. The novelty of it is long gone in the age of social media and modern devs can't build an interesting experience. Even if they could autists would ruin it with guides and wikis.

>>714638817
>Classic WoW was such a dramatic improvement. MMOs are dead now.

hilarious irony filtered anon

>>714638817
>each kill had 10 minutes of downtime
This isn't even true. I had a Dunes party today and we pulled like 8 monsters in a row before we had to rest

>>714638817
>all that greentext
and it was a good game with all that shit.
gave you a reason to be social. gave you a penalty for doing stupid shit. had some good times in vana d'iel

I simply cannot justify paying a sub for a video game

>>714638817
>Classic WoW was such a dramatic improvement. MMOs are dead now.
Gee, I wonder what killed them!

>>714638817
>guides and wikis
Like clockwork.

>>714638817
I actually think just getting to go out and fight monsters however you want is way less of a "grind" than "ok do these quests, now do these quests, now do these quests" but what do I know

>>714639386
To me it's all just different flavours of grind. In XIV you have to spam dungeons over and over to level up. Sometimes doing maybe 5-8 dungeons for one level and they're about 20 mins each. In XI you're pulling the same mobs over and over.

I prefer XI because I can chill and watch Netflix at the same time, while XIV is just busy work spamming your stupid rotations over and over.

>>714639249
Classic WoW did not kill MMOs. Classic WoW ended with the launch of TBC. The success of WoW killed the genre because other developers considered anything other than WoW levels of success to be a failure, and even worse they gave up being original and tried to copy WoW.

WoW itself started dying with TBC. It became pure shit with WOTLK, and has gotten worse with each passing day since.

>>714635160
As deeply complicated and situational as shit can get, your best bet to learn the ropes is to play a melee fighter(WAR starting out, it's the Swiss army knife of hit things until dead). Attack until you have 100 or more TP, and then use a weapon skill. Some are better than others. Some are borderline worthless. Some will be better able to damage specific types of mobs. Don't worry about that shit. Just figure out which one does the biggest number and spam it as you build TP.

Mages are a much different beast because this game is from the era where you needed to have a frontline to keep your squishies safe. Soloing on casters goes a lot smoother now, but you should bear in mind they still don't want to take hits. That means you cast from a distance to get some cheap shots or even finish a mob before it reaches you. There are advanced techniques you don't need to worry about at first, or even at all if you can find parties to level with to keep you safe.

Every job has many abilities, but you can play around with them to see what they do. It won't be really important at the start, you can figure it out or ask people over time. Each job has a super ability that has a one hour cooldown, but they're the kinds of things that can completely turn the tide of a fight.

Gearing in this game is extremely complicated, and made moreso because you can swap gear mid-ability/cast/weaponskill use to gain specific benefits or stat boosts to improve whatever you're doing. Again, figure that shit out much later. Instead, I'll point out to you that +1 gear is very important, because those extra stat points mean a lot in the game's calculations. You'll also see a delay stat on weapons. The higher it is, the slower you hit. However, the higher the delay, the more TP you gain per hit, so there's a trade-off. DMG is the most important stat. Attack doesn't directly boost your damage, it's used to overcome enemy Defense which reduces the damage they take.

>>714639537
>The success of WoW killed the genre because other developers considered anything other than WoW levels of success to be a failure, and even worse they gave up being original and tried to copy WoW.
^ This and I'm so fucking sick and tired of seeing adults trying to explain it to retarded zoomers 100 times when their first MMO is XIV or 2014+ WoW that believe they have any valid perspective on the genre.

FFXI UI is great, I love being able to do anything with text commands instead of clicking tiny icons

>>714640407
It feels so good on a controller, just like controlling any classic FF. I think people who struggle with the UI are trying to mouse and keyboard it.

I never did get a Mithra GF. My biggest regret.

>>714640407
I went years as a 75-era WHM casting almost entirely by typing because it was easier to target other party or alliance members that way.

>>714640594
>I never did get a Mithra GF
I didn't get a Mithra gf but I got a Tarutaru gf who was a hot teenager IRL (like I was at the time). She masturbated on cam to me it was crazy.

>>714640617
Did you never figure out that the function keys are shortcuts to target people in your party list?

>>714640594
A girl confessed to me on XI and I accidentally turned her down because I didn't realize what was happening

Does GEO actually have more complex positioning than other support jobs or did the job description lie to me

>>714635160
To be fair, XI isn't about rotations for the most part if that's what you are asking.

>>714640765
Yes, it's just the habit I got in.
/ma Regen <p2>
/ja Sublimation <me>
/ma "Cure III" <a10>
/ma Haste <p1>
/ma "Teleport-Vahzl" <me>

After Abyssea came out, and we got even more spells and abilities, I did start using F-targeting and fully fleshed-out macros for everything.

>>714635160
A lot of the text guides are mostly gear guides unfortunately. Additionally, a lot of those players have been playing so long they just take so many things for granted. I second recommending some video guides, they are older but Ruaumoko has some decent ones that talk about some of the jobs' basics and concepts.

>>714635574
BLU AF and Relic can never be topped but the empyrean coat is fairly cozy. I mix it with other pieces.

>>714641431
Melee jobs are easy enough to understand but playing as a RDM, BRD, COR or GEO I have no idea what buffs and debuffs I'm actually expected to use and when.

>>714642652
That's when you ask questions. RDM would probably be the hardest of the 4, the other 3 have pretty standard things they want to do.

XI on the front page.

>>714635574
I like the emperyean but that's because I have the displeasure of knowing of 14's blu.
I do agree though, the af is way better.

Get filtered you little bitch
/waves to v

>>714645959
I've seen you!

>>714613797
>It's just not the same any more, there is no more accomplishment in being a casual player because everything is easy and uncapped
Nigger the game has been out for over 2 decades, FF14 is their best seller and main cash cow now. They need to do reduce the grinds to keep people interested in 11. No one is going to do the 2004 grinds again. No one

>>714614041
>mfw all the supposed hardcore fans pretend FF11 doesn't exist while they will talk about FF14
Truth is the latter got non-MMORPG audience.

>>714646880
because they missed 11 in its heyday since they were either too young or not into mmorpgs. like you said they don't treat 14 as an mmorpg in the first place, as evident by how many will talk about story and characters over any mechanical.

>>714646880
hardcore final fantasy fans you mean? Yeah most threads doing tier lists of final fantasy usually skip over both ff11 and ff14 because they are mmos for some reason

>>714615027
Because there weren't nearly as many of them. Also, FF14 had way better cutscenes before ARR.

>>714634685
how would you know if an anon can post on /a/ or not? now if you're just a retard and can't type, people post pepe all the time on /a/.

{Raise}

>>714609534 (OP)
G E T
F I L T E R E D
K I D

>>714612076
THANK YOU BASED TANAKA!

>>714638817
You entire post just screamed "I fucking sucked at the game" anon. Only sheep followed everyone else and leveled on fucking goblins, crabs, spiders and crawlers as often as they could to 75. So many empty zones to XP especially 62+ because everyone wanted to fight over spawns in the Boyahda Tree like morons.

>>714625646
Self-Skillchaining -> Self MB was and still is fucking Kino.

>>714614974
Its a shame because Seekers of Adoulin is actually good but would have been even better if the cap had still be 75. But Abyssea was a fucking disaster for the game long term, along with the level cap raised to 99 and I doubt anyone will disagree with that point.

>>714650902
Adoulin is worth playing anyway

I've been playing with a friend on retail, he started playing on EU launch, I just started playing a couple years ago. I sub on and off due to lack of time, but I've sunk around 1200+ hours on this game so far. We're doing a challenge-like run where we play ignoring most of the commodities of modern XI (before you ask, no, fuck private server run by trannies). It's an amazing experience. We're capped at 75, he's a MNK and I am a RDM, going through CoP story now. Just the two of us makes doing certain things very difficult or impossible, like Assaults... so we tried inviting another friend who is a FFXIV player into joining us, and he actually accepted after he got bored of Dawntrail. He picked WHM.

Needless to say, he got absolutely fucking filtered. Whenever we play and are on voice comms, he is noticeably bored, he rushes into battle and refuses to listen or learn. XIV poisoned his brain so much. He got 3 jobs to 75, but doesn't know how to play them and his combat/magic skills are extremely low thanks to all the EXP boosts he constantly activates because he literally doesn't enjoy the game unless he sees "LEVEL UP!" on screen constantly, or glowy shapes in the ground to move away from. It'd be funny if it wasn't so depressing.

Thanks for reading my diary. Going back to Gustav Tunnel to grind for that Culinarian's Torque.

>>714652284
Ultra based, hope you continue to enjoy your journey, king. GL on the torque drop, I've tried to farm several of those for countless hours and they still elude me to this day lmao

>>714645693
14's BLU armour is more based on older games, even if it's kinda meh for most sets. I wonder if with all this 11 inspiration we might get some 11 inspired BLU AF this expansion. 11's take on the job was certainly unique.

>>714650902
As a returning player recently I've really enjoyed SoA so far. It's hard to imagine where things would be if SE never tried to murder the game with Abyssea's level cap increase after a decade of saying they never would and were committed to the 75 horizontal gameplay environment. That all in on 14 era for SE after 11 carried the company for so long still baffles me to this day.

>>714652284
I'm 30 and played retail for a year in maybe 2024. Then jumped into HorizonXI. I tried getting two early 20's friends into HorizonXI and it was interesting.

>First friend
>22 but grew up with older media and Dark Souls
>She's really good
>PLD/WAR and wants to unlock SMN for eco warrior
>Really enjoys the danger of the world and the SOVL like if you stand on a bridge when an airship comes in then it plays a cutscene of you running off the bridge as they pull it up
>Enjoys how the community is older and more mature

>Other friend
>19-20
>Stardew Valley Civ 6 type girl
>Mained BLM
>Got filtered by Ranpierre's Tomb because she'd walk into something high level, die, and say it was bad game design something high level was there in the first place
>She tried to provide us her location with the in-game map coordinates but she can't read a map and kept giving us the wrong location. If you asked her, she'd say she understands map coordinates but she was looking at the outright wrong part of the map to finish her San D'oria mission in Ranpierre's Tomb
>She thought it was bad game design that if you get hit while casting then you can lose the cast so she thought combat as BLM was impossible until I explained you have to time it
>She stopped playing partway through the Valkurm Dunes and before we moved onto Damselflies and Pugils since she didn't want to make a <bt> macros to stop pulling thread leeches
>Now she just plays Terraria and Civ 7 all day

>>714652735
cant win em all

>>714651997
I agree, it's great. But so many people didn't get to experience it because Abyssea drove so many from the game.

>>714653257
There's no reason why they can't play it now. And they really should.

>>714653257
>>714653480
It's too bad the ending for Adoulin was rushed but it's still an extremely great storyline despite it. Ra'Kaznar is massive and you can tell they must've had grander plans at some point.

>>714609534 (OP)
Elvaan look like this?!

>>714654715
I like the ending for what it is.

Amchuchu is the GOAT trust. SHE IS THE GOAT.

>>714635574
They were all design downgrades except DNCs

>>714655021
Thankfully, no.

Why does Elvaan RSE have a pube window anyway

I played some of XI recently but I got fucked twice by the whole, "Here's a key item, bro. No, we're not going to mention your inventory is full. Have fun realising you don't actually have said key item after you've traipsed back across the map for another half an hour, so good luck spending another hour going back and forth again" shtick.

There was a lot of stuff I really liked about XI but some of the very old school mechanics like this were really, really annoying.

>>714609534 (OP)
paywalling inventory slots was a fucking disaster, what you had in-game wasn't even functional for having 3 or more 75s

>Open up Altana Viewer
>Just go through the Unique Animations each race AND gender had for Casting/WS/Auto Attacks
>Remember this level of SOVL doesn't exist in gaming anymore
>Feel sad
If anything, I just want this level of care and effort back in MMOs. The little Taru backflip on Asuran Fists was awesome, each race having different dual wielding animations was awesome, RSE, actual Nation questlines on top of other storylines, ect.

Thank You Based Gulkeeva for cataloguing all the mods(and a ton of art) for so long on your website. Always made finding finding new mods(or sets) a breeze.

>>714609534 (OP)
XIV 1.0 was much more like XI in spirit from what I heard, and it was such a catastrophic mess they had to reboot it all.

>>714635574
>WAR
sidegrade
>MNK
sidegrade
>WHM
sidegrade
>BLM
sidegrade
>RDM
upgrade
>THF
sidegrade
>PLD
upgrade
>DRK
downgrade
>BST
downgrade
>BRD
downgrade
>RNG
upgrade
>SMN
upgrade (biggest winner)
>SAM
upgrade
>NIN
upgrade
>DRG
upgrade
>BLU
downgrade (biggest loser)
>COR
sidegrade
>PUP
upgrade
>DNC
sidegrade
>SCH
sidegrade
>GEO
sidegrade
>RUN
downgrade

>>714657850
Tactical choice, that's where the heads of short Hume/Mithra F level at.

>>714658498
I played from EU and the servers were located in either NA or JP, not sure which, either way it was a lot of lag, and literally every single UI interaction required confirmation from the server. Navigating the menus to do any crafting or swap equipment was a fucking nightmare.
It was insanely graphically intense and not very well optimised, and launched during the hottest UK summer I could remember up to that point.
It's really sad that I can't just load it up and give it a go again. I'm sure it'd suck ass, but it's still sad that it's gone forever

>>714634143
Well I'm working full time and still play it, I just progress slowly

>>714653257
I only went through XI, doing the main storylines up to RoV, a few years ago. Why was Abyssea so reviled anyway?

>>714658498
Yeah, it was supposed to replace XI and was 100x worse than anything you can assume, but I'm sure you've watched the documentary already. There's one video I highly recommend. Of a guy and his voice chat fucking around during the final hours. They all get increasingly agitated because they want to stay til the end, but the game STILL keeps shitting itself and crashing. I'm having a hard time finding it, though.

>>714609534 (OP)
if more faggot retards like OP just walked away from games and places where they didn't belong, the world would be a better place.

>>714609534 (OP)
Unlike modern mmo's XI/EQ went out of their way to make the world a user-hostile experience. Since player power scales non-linearly in groups due to roles building off of each other (buffers and debuffers prominently breaking the "holy trinity" modern concept), zones were designed with such power spikes in mind, making them mostly unviably dangerous for solo players to farm/navigate through unless they really knew what they were doing. This promoted group play and community and knowledge-sharing.
Modern MMO's traded all of that for accessibility, at the cost of cannibalizing their own premise in exchange. When people peer through the veil and realize there 'is' no "mmo" left anymore, their favorite tactic is to just delay and confuse. "The real game starts at level cap actually." "But did you beat this 1% content? No? Then how can you say it's too easy?"

I recently tried XI after having played XIV for many years, the biggest shock for me is how different the player communities are.

Playing XI and interacting with the community is like stepping back in time to the internet 15 years ago, that's one of the best things about the game imo. That along with more slow and grindy nature of the game, make it something you can actually relax playing and exploring.

>>714618518
>WHM with a hammer and a small shield
I fucking love this aesthetic

>>714658498
It was nothing like XI, if anything it was like someone who had never played XI read a review of it, wrote down their own thoughts, mailed said thoughts to china, and had a chinese company make a cheap product in 6 months. None of the mechanics made any sense in relation to XI or video games in general.

>>714655021
If it wasn't for the date on the bottom I would've thought this pic was over 20 years old

>>714658498
>>714660960
To explain one situation:

In FFXI you have a bazaar, a personal store that allows you to list an item in your inventory for sale, anyone else can examine you and then check what you have for sale. The game also has an auction house, a true auction house where you blind bid on items with only the price history to help you guesstimate what the price is at. While the AH was great it was a bit limiting for people who wanted to buy rare items, expensive items, or in bulk. As you can guess this meant that people would want to sell said items in their bazaar, but there was the little problem of city tax if you sold items while within a city, so what happened?

>On each server there was a zone outside of the main hub city where people would AFK bazaar items for people to browse, there would be dozens if not hundreds of people gathered in one area to sell

Neat right? Fun use of gameplay mechanics by the community to create something interesting.

>>714661130
Well here comes FFXIV 1.0 with their amazing ideas. Seeing what FFXI had they attempted to copy it with one eye closed and a set of instructions translated into wingdings. The game started off with NO auction house or marketboard and NO bazaars. Instead you had a bazaar-like substitute where you could hire a npc to stand around and sell things, this sounds familiar right? Maybe it's not that bad?

Oh but it is bad, because in order to sell items from your npc you had to place them in a room, an instanced tiny room where dozens of other people also had placed their npcs. To make things worse there was NO way to search for a specific item and if you wanted something you had to check every single npc one by one. Even further there were many separate rooms for you to keep checking.

FUCKING awful design from top to bottom.

>>714652630
Wada wanted to beat out Cataclysm, and tanked both XI and XIV 1.0 in the process.

>>714660661
Yeah, even in my recent attempt at playing XI for a few weeks (I'm the anon bitching about key items and inventory slots) I was surprised there was more LS chat, and game-relevant chat, going on than most of what I experienced in XIV.

>>714657850
Because Elvaan F were pure SEX. Idon't know how they fucked up Elezen so badly.

>>714661303
I was lucky and my server organized which room had which types of items, but yeah it was torture until all the crafters basically went apeshit until people started cooperating.

>>714652630
It's still sad to see how they treat XI after all it's done for them, hell they still lean on it heavily to prop up XIV, most of their monster models are ripped from XI.

>The 20th anniversary present was nothing
>The 21st anniversary present was maintenance mode

>>714661567
Modernization of scope/narratives also means they have to implement the elves are just super skinny humans trope for maximum confooormity. Even catgirls are much less catlike in XIV

>>714662113
To be fair, I don't think Mithra are replicable anyway. Many have tried and failed.

I think I played XI for a reasonable amount of time, not very long relatively but I enjoyed my time especially when playing with friends. My only complaint is the walking speed and chocobo system, I'd rather just a mount. I understand they've added a lot of these things to retail but I dislike all the other changes they've made and private server purists would never mess with the speed/traveling mechanics

>>714662925
All private servers have added "qol" features such as faster move speed, more teleport options, and in some cases mounts.

It's sad.

>>714663151
Has horizon done this? Im fine with 99% of the game being the same i just dont have the patience for slowly walking everywhere anymore. id consider playing it if they have

>>714663338
You can rent chocobos on Horizon from main cities once certain quests are done as well as from crags.

>>714662034
My favourite thing to do is see what new monsters they "borrowed" from 11 in a new expansion for 14. Having gone back to 11 recently I see they've done it way more than I realized too.

It does look like the 11 team still cares deeply and they don't have the lazy excuses that 14's team has either. Might not be much but they're doing a lot with what SE and PS2 limitations give them. Although I'll be honest, my impressions are biased from a 15 year break and only casually following things until recently.

>>714662034
Is it me or are Japs weird about this? I was surprised how bad Granblue Fantasy fumbled its 10th anniversary this year. How many gachas make it that far? And what they did was like a wet fart. Does no one in the companies care about these IPs anymore?

>>714609534 (OP)
>BLU is an actual functional job class you can use in non-meme instances of the game
>Status ailment are still a thing
Automatically better than xiv

It's honestly insane to me that if you go on the official XIV forums, every post is a complaint or cope. I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say that you can go to five different parts of the forum for different jobs or content or whatever, and every single post is a list of insane changes they want to be made.

You would think that I'd be able to find even one post that actually talked about the game. In the Monk thread, why isn't there a list of good timings to use SSS? In the tank section, why isn't there a topic about someone's mit route in a given fight? There's not even fluff content, like what's your favourite class or what do you like about this dungeon. It's literally nothing but negativity and begging. It's pathetic. None of the suggested changes are even good.

>>714634675
XI players will cry about any other game except their own being shit despite it performing the worst. Disingenuous faggots.

May i know why the game have a low user score on metacritic? This game is not 7.6, its more of 8.5

How many jobs can i gear with one 1 character in horizonxi? There doesn’t seem to be a lot of inventory space for more than 4-5 jobs

>>714636172
>Instead of talking about WoW in a WoW thread
It's because WoW has gone down the shitter, so they go into other games' threads to distract from that and a vain attempt to drag them down further than WoW currently is.
These fuckers will scorched earth anything the moment their precious cattle game comes under fire for its own faults.

>play horizonxi
>join a valkurm dunes party
>play as pld
>a guy in my party says i need to work on my enmity set
>at this stage ( level 10-20) gear is just DEF and DMG, there is no enemity+ pieces yet

I dont know if i should keep playing and play with clueless people about this game and how it works or just quit.

>>714665496
I like ffxi because it's ffxi, if I were the last player I'd still like it

not sure what other games have to do with that

>>714666246
I think you get a number of tabs per job
>>714666867
Shitters exist everywhere

>>714663637
cinderella girls starlight stage is another cygames game that turns 10 this year. their present was eos so it could be much worse.

>>714666867
>play horizonxi, never played XI before
>join group as BLM in Garliage Citadel
>find out my group is a streamer + his friends
>they are bitching about me constantly
>essentially I'm bursting right before a mob dies and getting aggro
>but the mob never reaches or hits me before it dies
>overall this speeds up our farming
>they don't like this but won't tell me in game chat
>also saying I am not using debuffs (I am)
>they tell me they are leaving soon
>pretend the party is over, but replace me right after
I posted on 4chan at the time because honestly I wasn't sure if what I was doing was right, but a bunch of anons looked at the footage and confirmed that what I was doing was fine, right even. I shouldn't have let it get to me but it felt like shit.
Overall I guess you have to realise that people are so often wrong and not willing to examine themselves to realise it. All you can do is be better than them.

>>714668890
sounds like melee throwing a hissyfit they couldn't alt tab and stand in 1 spot.

>>714666867
There are a few enmity items for low levels, but they're from events or obscure crap most people wouldn't have access to. Wouldn't be surprised if you ran into someone who quit retail ages back and are trying to relive their glory days without remembering the context of things. At that level it's all about knowing when to use abilities and keeping your skills capped. It's also best to embrace the chaos as that's what really made the game and formed friendships back in the day.

>>714668890
sounds like you were too good at your job and streamer faggot got butthurt

>>714669541
Pretty much, although I was making sure that I would finish the enemy off before it got to me without melee intervention, from what I remember.
>>714670521
For me it was the backstab-y nature that was annoying. Too cowardly to say anything in chat, just decided to replace and move on. Genuinely pathetic and annoying behaviour.

>>714614376
I'm still subscribed and playing right now. They just added new content.

>>714671105
>Pretty much, although I was making sure that I would finish the enemy off before it got to me without melee intervention, from what I remember.
way back during retail, i think a bit before the chains of promathia expansion came out, i was doing the same on blm and the jp players were sucking me off for it with (|incredibly tough|) (|black mage|) comments. i would do a double magic burst and finish off the enemy with a drain. those guys were just being retarded and probably mad there was a black mage in the group to begin with.

>>714634827
...you can easily get your 2100 JP solo, it is just going to be done in a way that requires you to learn proper party setups and skill usage (even with just Trusts). Apex enemies don't fuck around.

>>714668890
>streamer
There's the main issue. Streamers are sub70IQ retards, it's a wonder they even got that far

>>714609534 (OP)
Is there a way to play this F2P or I shouldn't bother?

>>714670032
>someone who quit retail ages back and are trying to relive their glory days

Welcome to every private server player, ever. While I won't begrudge people for enjoying whatever they like, I find it fascinating that so many people are obsessed with the leveling up process in XI so much that they think that it is the only content that matters in the game. A primary complaint about retail I hear is "You can just level up solo really fast now". Yes, you can get to 99 quite quickly with trusts. The real thing is this though: 99 is where the game actually STARTS now.

Once you get to 99 you now get to do the actual leveling up "old school" style with job points. You will need to party up just like the old days, go out to camps and fight enemies. Same for master levels once you get that far, too.

Not to mention retail XI has a fuckload of content that you actually do at 99 (read: 119+) that isn't just "leveling up". Anyone who is glorifying the 75 cap leveling up experience is exactly what you said: someone trying to relive their glory days.

>>714672025
>Welcome to every private server player, ever.
Pretty much true. I was playing HorizonXI as a first time player and was viewed as a curiosity by almost everyone that I offhandedly mentioned it to.
That being said, I had a lot of fun with most of the people I played with, and I think most of them did, too.

>>714672025
It was a special kind of thing back in the days during a lot of people's formative years, so it's understandable people are grasping to return to simpler times or nostalgia.

That said, you're on point about retail still having grinds and the current end game still has gear swap and horizontal progression back. I'm not sure many people realize the game returned to its roots after the bullshit Abyssea and all that did. The only complaint I have about retail is that all the fights are uncapped now so you can't really enjoy the struggles of earlier expansion story fights the same way. A bunch have gotten end game remixes but it's a hard sell for new players who wanted to experience that their first go through or people wanting to try them again years later. The struggle to get past tough fights was a key part of the game for me, but it's also understandable it changed given there aren't armies of people you can struggle with anymore.

>>714618518
My friend hosted his own private server and we played XI like it was an offline co-op Final Fantasy, with a focus on doing story missions and having limited trusts that were story relevant to fill out the rest of our "party".

It was fun as hell. Lvl 75 cap too, fuck anything past ToAU.

>>714615169
You're confusing LB2 and LB3. LB3 is the kino stealth mission to the beastmen strongholds, LB2 is the insanely difficult enemies in Xarcabard.

I 'soloed' LB2 once (with an adventuring fellow) but it's not something I'd ever recommend to anyone, the Boreal Hound is incredibly ridiculous. Took a full luashitacast setup and five stacks of mulsum + I nearly hit the doom timer anyway.

>>714672013
Only on private servers

>>714672025
For me my aversion to current retail XI is mostly just the fact that because the game has been out for 20+ years now gear expectations and knowledge expectations are so ridiculously extreme it's basically impossible to play the game unless you're willing to commit months or years just to catch up to an acceptable degree.

>>714672025
Stuff like JP and master points being layered right on top of eachother is exactly what I hate about retail's 'grind'. How can you even defend that? SE just plopped another billion point grind that you can only do after their first billion point grind, and then you have people like you defend it saying it's 'just like before!'. No you are just eating their slop for no reason.
You say it's the same but it's just not even close. You have a distorted view like most people that play retail these days because you are stuck chasing a carrot. The worst part is Master rank is actually cool with SJs increasing, especially compared to JPs, but it's put in so poorly that most people won't experience it for a very long time.
SE has to throw out bullshit 'campaigns' that alleviate their grinds because they are made that way on purpose. Didn't play during the campaign? Damn that sucks for you then :)

>>714674228
yeah, as far as private servers are concerned i think what people really want is the fresh start aspect where every starts from square 1. being 20 years behind fucking sucks and iirc you're forced to play certain bitch rolls in group content because gear is so important for the majority of jobs.

I'm looking forward to Zenith, Horizon turned to shit since everyone is stuck on CoP fighting over fucking Dynamis shit since they refuse to just allow multiple instances even though people already have multiple relics and farm dynamis on alts for more money

>>714613797

>>714650902
>>714651997
>>714653257
I just beat Adoulin a month ago and loved it, and yeah you could tell there was meant to be more but I'm still pretty happy with it. I'm convinced there was meant to be an entire Tartarus zone as the real finale that got cut, but maybe thats just because I realized halfway through that Dawntrail had copied this near wholesale and Tartarus would of been where Alexandria was.
>>714655468
Didn't have the balls to say no to this and when she mentioned her mother made it I felt a fucking punch to the chest for considering it, funny to see what that interaction was.

>>714666867
There's no enmity sets at low level. PLD just needs to cure other people and use voke to hold hate.

In retail, how long it takes to gear a job from hitting 99 to participating in end-game content?

>>714672025
Certain play styles aren't viable anymore after ilvl, my favorite being healing breath shenanigans which I loved way back in the day

Now you just die instantly if you're at half health intentionally

>>714672025
For me, the appeal of 75 cap is the sense of adventure. The world is vast and dangerous, and quests often take you through areas with enemies higher level than you are. The first time you flag NIN or Metal Gear your way through LB3 is just absolute cinema. Hell, even reaching Jeuno without dying for the first time brings a sense of accomplishment.

Never even played retail btw, just private servers (WingsXI -> Horizon -> started fiddling around with ASB then LSB on my own).

>>714675789
Months. They'll force you onto support jobs until your geared. You wont be able to play tank or DPS. That's why private servers are better.

>>714675859
But support jobs will take months too, basically i wont play with anyone for a year or more if i plan to participate in the end-game.

>>714675980
You dont need to be geared as much to do rolls on COR or be a RDM refresh bot.

>>714676103
Nobody use rdm for refresh, you probably mean brd

>>714652284
Honestly pretty jealous, wish I had bros to low man stuff with as well. When I asked they wouldn't even try the game "I don't like real time games with menus" "too busy", etc.

>>714674814
It was bad for Limbus too before I stopped playing. Most of my time was spent waiting my turn to play the game.

>>714675210
>there was meant to be more
I feel like that was everything after ToAU, which in itself took ages to really finish and add all the promised features into the game. The dev team really seemed to have way more they wanted to do and kept falling behind. It's pretty obvious everything from base game to the end of CoP was all sketched out in advance given how much crossover it all had and then they just threw darts at the map on what bits of extended lore to flesh out after that.

Also interesting to see someone else notice how much Dawntrail copied. For their first expansion with a new writer they sure did copy FF9 and 11's homework a lot...

>>714675980
back in CoP I had PLD leveled, and eventually BLU in ToAU. I was made to bring BRD and RDM since I didnt have the gear on PLD or BLU for endgame at the their respective time frames. The tanks/DPS of our groups also didnt have the gear.

But I had BRD and RDM leveled, when others didnt. every group needs the support, and they are the hardest to roles to fill.

Of course once our tanks and DPS go their gear, and it was time for me to get my gear a year later, they all quit, and i never got the gear.

In short, dont level up a support, unless you plan to main it, or u just want to try all content and drop out. i did get to try all content, but always want to tank endgame content, and never could. and tanking trash mobs with randoms who cant kill a random mob is no fun.

Is there any way to stop my character from slightly rotating when moving while I have the camera high up?

Its dumb boomer game that people only praise out of nostalgia because it was their first mmo or online experience.
>Everything is as convoluted and esoteric as possible
>Worst controls/menus in mmo history
>Yes its totally fun to auto attack an enemy for 30 seconds then sit for 2 minutes to get hp/mp back (yes I know it gets better lategame with a party, too late)
Like I get that its good at forcing people to party, but other games do that and play better.

>>714639249
Its so weird how people claim WoW 'killed' mmos by...giving people exactly what they wanted. Based on its popularity, thats what people wanted out of the genre. You can claim it changed the genre but they were simply following trends. Nobody wants to play XI style mmos anymore. If one came out today it would die off with like 1000 players.

>>714680523
None of this is true

>>714675789
You can have a Naegling WAR up and running in less than 3 months if you don't want to play support. The only tripping point would be getting a pulse weapon (although you can farm for one, they just have low drop rates) and someone would have to run you through a R0 clear to get access to Sakpata gear (would take like 5 minutes as long as someone with access takes you).

>>714680523
>Everything is as convoluted and esoteric as possible
That's the best bit? Everything about the world feels unknown and alien, you don't know what's around the next corner, mechanics are sort of bizarre.
>Worst controls/menus in mmo history
Quite possibly true. The controls become a lot better when you basically stop using the mouse and only use a keyboard, though. Not sure what it's like on controller. Wish mouse+keyboard wasn't dogshit.
>Yes its totally fun to auto attack an enemy for 30 seconds then sit for 2 minutes to get hp/mp back (yes I know it gets better lategame with a party, too late)
Not really a thing. Very early on soloing becomes virtually impossible so you always play in a party. It is true, however, that you often aren't actively pushing many buttons.

>>714680523
>Everything is as convoluted and esoteric as possible
this is a good thing. people are still learning how stuff works to this day and it's very cool

>>714680523
Any game that is so solved/datamined that the playerbase couldn't possibly come up with something as ludicrous as the crafting compass in FFXI is not worth playing.
Days of the week correlate with certain elements, so do crafts and compass directions, so some players theorised that there could be a link between them.
Confirmed by devs years later to not be real. Despite that, some people still follow it. If you're watching people crafting and they get up and change directions when the day changes, now you know why.

>>714682930
The tinfoil is real in FFXI and im here for it, i love the game and its insane secrets/edge cases

I should probably get over my autism and contribute to LSB again

>>714681246
>Not sure what it's like on controller.
Works perfectly well considering it was designed with that in mind, everything else has been an afterthought. It's my preferred method but full keyboard works just as well if you're comfy with that and probably has some extra options given windower addons.

Please don't die yet...

I saw some census data that FFXIV is at about 60k - 70k active players now.

During the Mognanza weapon giveaway XI apparently hit 100k - 110k players.

Probably mules and such but its funny nonetheless.

>>714686767
I remember seeing a few months back that XIV had finally dipped below 1m, 60-70k seems far lower than it really is.

>>714661303
To add to that, 1.X had some of the worst menu lag ever. Even moving in the menu had lag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFEm-WWAYeo
Imagine doing this dozens of times to find the item you want

>>714666867
Breath Mantle, get used to it. It's mandatory. But you can also kindly remind your healers to level fucking cooking with their crystal investments. I won't nag too hard about Melon Juices but not being at the Apple Juice phase in parties is unacceptable

>>714686767
yeah that game is dead since yawntrail

>>714687769
Square put all their eggs in the wrong basket, and now they have one game that has more life in it despite their attempts to kill it, and a game that is dead as a doornail despite their attempts to prop it up.

>>714680762
>Based on its popularity, thats what people wanted out of the genre.
That's what people who never liked the genre wanted out of the genre.

>>714613817
Go play Guild Wars 1. Neither 11 nor 14 respect your time- 11 being in a more traditional chink MMO grind and 14 disrespecting it by gating you out of content with a 10 year long story.

So I never played this game past 55 BST, never played an expansion. Jumped on the WoW bandwagon like a retard back then. Don't mind the new retail solo shit (as it's just BST). Is it worth playing retail?

Bored out of my mind with WoW, FFXIV, and GW2. GW2 is the only one I can stomach, hoping 8.0 FFXIV fixes everything (it won't) and WoW is just shit.

>>714690527
Yeah, retail is still a great experience.

>>714618251
Extremely based take

>>714690527
As someone who got back into things recently, I'd say it's worth giving things a try and see how things changed. Especially as a BST main since you'll probably thrive in some aspects.

>download MMO for the first time
>make account
>create character
>slight bit of lag before screen is bombarded by constant nonsense
>new login bonus
>go to chucklefuckberg for anniversary bonus of 24 new bungledungs!
>xp bonus for the weekend starting at 4:37am until 12:12pm
>remember to pick up your free starter gear from Chimcham Flimflam
>alt-f4 immediately
Why do I feel assaulted via every sense every single time?

>>714613817
Depends on if you want more of a nu-MMO style or a classic MMO style.

>>714613797

>>714692014
i logged into retail wow when i went to play classic fresh and i had that same experience and it turned me off of retail.

>>714680762
You are clearly too young to remember but WoW didn't get popular because it gave people what they wanted, it got popular because it was fucking EVERYWHERE in the beginning. It was more a culture phenomenon than a game. Celebrity ads(Mr. T, Ozzy Ozbourne, Aubrey Plaza,Terry Crews, William Shatner, Verne Troyer, Chuck Norris, ect.), South Park Episode, Commercials running constantly, ads in every fucking magazine imaginable. People played it because it was "cool" to play WoW, they gave no fucks about the actual game, or Warcraft in general. No other MMO was able to/or wanted to compete in regard or if it did they focused on the GAME instead of shooting for massive popular appeal, until WoW's success just became to much to ignore and everyone started trying to follow their formula and wouldn't you know it, failed spectacularly(in comparison to WoW) which got many games shutdown even though they were relatively profitable.

I love the stats in XI, something about how all the stats interact with the combat system is really satisfying to me.

I've never played another RPG that I could sink my teeth into like XI let me. I really want to just play around with double attack/ triple attack/ haste/ STP/ crit rate, STRvsDEF and ATTvsDEF, it just had so many layers. I loved it. Even stuff like landing enfeebling magics had like skill levels, magic accuracy, elemental affinity, MND and INT values all weighing the outcome. I wish one of the offline Final Fantasy games had combat as in-depth as XI's.

>>714692640
>SE tries to copy the success of Baldur's Gate 3
Bros, I wish we were in that timeline

>>714692640
God, I wish something like this is what we got instead of DMC Final Fantasy edition. I want a full party RPG that builds off XI and XII.

>>714693167
>when the luashitacast setup hits just right
Being able to instantly swap gear is a pretty cool feature.

>sensible nations : <5 min walk from nearby outpost
>Trashstok : fucking 15 minute walk from the outpost
Double points for making almost every other CoP mission require you to go to Metalworks

>>714693657
>yfw you didn't bring a flower to teleport up the cliff

>>714692640
Ok but why is the thf adding hate to the dragoon?
>the dragoon can just dump it with jump!
Yeah but he could just put it on the paladin to begin with...
This game would fuck so hard. Give Larian Vanadiel.

>>714693479
Guilty, I was the guy who kept writing scripts and everyone in the LS kept asking me for my scripts when I'd tell them I wrote a script to automatically do something they had been doing manually for years. I made a script that would equip Dring when you were targeted by a mob, our healers loved that one since they could free up their ring slot for the 95% of the time when they weren't be targeted.

>>714693657
Shoulda been bastokan, chuddie

>>714693657
Picked the wrong nation.

>>714693167
Don't forget that weather and days of the week will affect loads of things like monster resistances, spell success/crit rate etc.
>>714693479
I'm not a big fan of changing gear mid combat. It just feels sort of silly to have a different gear set for every spell. I do like that extra layer of depth and strategy but I dunno, never felt satisfying in any game to me.

>>714692640
The THF is a retard, typical.

>>714694330
>I'm not a big fan of changing gear mid combat. It just feels sort of silly to have a different gear set for every spell.
I mean yeah its silly, but it also gave the game so much depth and staying power. Having a set for every spell and ability made it so you had so many items that were actually useful to you. Where in other games you'd just ditch anything as narrowly specific as adding 10% to cure potency, but if you only need to put it on when you're casting cure suddenly that item is good, even amazing potentially, even if you aren't a main healer.

>>714609534 (OP)
zoomies/WoWtards will be filtered. they can't handle a true grind or reading anything. no quests give XP. no quests give gil (money). you must party and kill mobs to progress and you can't really solo beyond level 11 unless you are a certain job.

lmao gg no re get fucked

>>714693838
>>714694457
Don't you have to SATA from behind the enemy, that's why he's behind the Dragoon since the enemy is attack the Paladin?

>>714693838
Because unless the paladin sucks ass, a Quick Flash + Voke takes the mob back 99% of the time, assuming the ensuing SC doesn't outright kill the mob. And if it somehow doesn't, one Super Jump is enough as well.

>>714694870
That's actually a fair point, really goes hand in hand with the horizontal gear progression. It's just a generally janky/silly feeling that makes me dislike it, but ultimately it does mean a lot of items get use where they otherwise wouldn't.

>>714693657
>be WindurstGOD
>warp everywhere
>altep>escape to get to shitok
>op to oreo (it's shit but you can just auto run for most of it)
>proceed to live in the best city with the best guilds
comfy.

>>714694935
It's been literal decades since this strat was a thing so I may have forgotten but I thought they could do it from any angle once adding trick attack.
I definitely remember THFs adding threat onto NINs who already had aggro.

>>714693204
I 100% bet they'll try to do that, but it'll be 5 years from now when nobody cares about BG3 anymore, a new generation of alpha zoomers.

>>714690527
i don't like retail but some people do. horizonXI is the only really decent private server, and it's fairly active. it gives a true experience as to what it was like in 2006.

>>714609534 (OP)
I'll never understand why they won't just modernize the UI and the combat and just sell this game again to zoomers who are starved for MMORPGs and not to mention the thousands or even million of people tired of FF14.

I guess Square Enix really hates money.

>>714613797

>>714695195
I think there was an ability that allowed you to do it from any angle but it had a longer cooldown, so you could do that like every other pull but if you wanted to SATA off cooldown then you had to do it onto a melee dps

>>714695065
>Cooking
>Cloth
>Bonecraft
>best guilds
Smithing and Alchemy were overtuned, it took until Abyssea for Bonecraft to get a broken vendor synth

>>714695304
there are addons/plugins you can download that does. it's one of the few games that works REALLY well with only using a keyboard, so you don't even need to interact with the UI much if you learn how to use the kb only.

>>714695385
>I think there was an ability that allowed you to do it from any angle but it had a longer cooldown
Trick attack. the "TA" of SATA.

I want to go back so bad.

Vana'diel is my favorite setting. I love that world. I want more games and stories set in Vana'diel. I want to go back.

>>714695385
Hide, beyond 60 THF doesn't SATA anymore because of the Assassin job trait except when Hide is off cooldown

>>714695571
Trick attack makes you do more damage when striking behind a party member.
Sneak attack makes you crit when striking from behind.
Isn't that how it works? Then Hide or something means you can do it from any angle you want.

>>714695585
sorry chud we need the retard audience

>>714622868
but that's transphobic you chud

COR and BRD are extremely fun why do people always call these "career-ruining" things to level? The only content that isn't fun with them are Zergs

>>714696074
That's where I played, I loved it. I quit and gave everything I had away and I regret it now. If I went back I'd essentially be starting from square one and I'd be at least a year behind everyone else. It would take so long to catch up now, but part of me is still tempted to just give up everything to grind away again.

>>714695585
The music alone still sends chills down my spine to this day. Better than anything Yoshida's 14 ever shit out

https://youtu.be/yVYhcXmXSB0

>>714696752
I hate the singer on the original Distant Worlds song, she sounds like Wing

>>714695394
Fishing guild is the only guild that matters.

>>714697556
t. botter

>Official Mithra art by Mitsuhiro Arita
Modern Transnix could never

>>714696547
Because if you gear them out then your teammates will always expect you to be the COR or BRD. They may be fun but good luck ever being able to play anything else in a group again

>>714696023
Trick attack dropped the enmity of your attack on whoever was in front of you and if you used hide then sneak attack worked from any direction so you could SATA>Hide>WS behind the tank for big peepee damage numbers and the tank kept aggro.

>>714696074
I loved skillchaining with my alt and just grinding away for hours making relics. I miss it.

>>714696547
I legit had to sell all my BRD gear to get people to stop asking me to use it even though I had loads of other better geared jobs. I wasn't the best but even a meh BRD would make merit parties good. The problem was it was so mind numbing and had zero downtime your soul leaves your body. For other fights support's not so bad but leveling/merits it blew.

>>714689312
If mmos of that style were good they would not have died out.

>>714682930
The devs should make it real but keep telling people its fake

>>714693012
Nobody plays a game for months or years they dont like.

>>714698675
They are good, just not to 10s of millions of people. it's all about money now. it is impossible for a AAA dev to even consider making game that won't reach every cocksucker on the planet

>>714682930
There will never be another game like it ever again

>>714698808
>Nobody plays a game for months or years they dont like.
The current WoW playerbase literally proves you wrong lmao.

>>714699251
the MOST mystery nigga of all... who is he? why does he spawn? when does he spawn? is it the moonphase? the weather? cloudy weather, foggy weather? the day? the month? the season...

we will never know...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP1tO3mCVwc

>>714699321
Having grievances with a game=/=You hate the game. A game can be flawed but still good if not the best when compared to competition.

>>714699369
because of the nature of the cruise. This guy is also an extremely rare NM for the same reason

>>714698675
>how can it be good if it doesn't have mass normalfag appeal?
Why are you even here?

>>714699908
he's not so mysterious that he had to get spawn conditions nerfed like Almight Apkallu. his drops are kind of aids too for the effort:reward

the stoneskin boots for the wyvern only last 30 seconds or so, its kind of shit. I managed to get one through a gobbiebox key on retail. I suppose if you COULD get the ring early on enough it wouldnt be so bad

>>714698825
The more something is played the better it is. And yes, that includes Fortnite for example. You can not like something personally but recognize it as structurally good.

>>714662678
If there's one thing I hate the most about modern MMOs it's that there is now such a focus on sculpting your character to look exactly how YOU want them to look with no respect towards world consistency or lore.

>>714700535
this is false equivalence

>>714686767
60k-70k is very low considering that the game sold over 20 million copies, FFXI sold way less, around 2 million.

>>714699905
If you don't hate that game by now, you are lost.

>>714700535
>mcdonalds defense
You heard it here bros! Gachashit is good!
>You can not like something personally but recognize it as structurally good.
No, something being popular does not mean it is good. Not at all.

>>714672025
I am more forgiving than most people to retail XI but you have to understand why the world slowly opening up to you as you grind, is more appealing than the world opening to you all at once and then grinding for minor job enhancements that are only noticeable in niche scenarios

>>714700579
FFXIV may as well be fucking Second Life now. Tell me this looks fitting in a fantasy setting.

>>714700838
they shat the bed so everyone left

>>714695347
SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>714674228
The problem is that this is an issue with private servers too. When the game was actually in that state there were plenty of casual players who didn't care about efficiency, now if you play a private server the only people left just want to minmax with their 20+ years of knowledge and so elitism runs rampant.

The best and most memorable experiences from classic XI came from trying to complete scenarios with just what you had available because you weren't spoiled for choice. Now you have retail where maxxed out characters are so common you never have to settle for less, or private servers where people are set in their ways and don't even want to pick up a job if it's suboptimal

>>714672025
>Just level up to 99, sweaty, now THAT is real XI
You endgame motherfuckers are cancer. It's not like we have over 20 years of content to do, such as Nation missions, story and side quests, or simply explore and take in the sights and the world.

>>714672025
A game not starting until the end of it is retarded. Thankfully even modern retail XI isn't like that and you're just stupid.

>>714680762
Yes when the companies that make media start pandering to the lowest common denominator it means less actually good shit gets made overall. This is true of literally every industry on Earth you have to be retarded to not understand it. Just look at how many original movies used to come out compared to today where we are smothered by franchise films and nostalgiabait sequels

>>714701260
NTA but I always enjoyed the ride up to 75 casually. It took me literally 3 years to get 75 back in the day. I spent a lot of time in the mid 60s just doing stuff and fucking around. Did more of that when I hit 75, to be fair, but a large chunk was done in the 60s.

you are a man of taste

>>714701242
Horizon was fun for a few months before the private server Illuminati captured all the end game

>>714693167
Bravely Default is the only thing that came close to that for me. You had interesting job combos such as the Arcanist which lacks enfeebling spells but has the best stats for landing enfeebling magic, meaning with the right subjob/job abilities you could make a unique enfeebling build

I love FFXI so much it's unreal bros.

>>714701601
I bounced off hard on Bravely Default in the first few hours like 10 years ago but I love FFXI

did I give up early?

>>714701641
whats your favorite feature bro

>>714693838
DRG can just super jump the hate. What a combo.

>>714659364
That's when the level cap was raised from 75, making a whole lot of old endgame content easier(in combat calculations a great deal of weight is given to the level difference between you and mobs - the higher one wins by a lot). This set people off since it trivialized iconic grinds and rites of passage. Although gearing in this game always put emphasis on sidegrades and switch-in gear which can come from a massive range of equipment levels, it also began the process of adding newer main equips which outclassed all the old important auto-attacking gear. Since 75 had been the cap for so many years, people took for granted that their best gear was always going to be the best(to the extent some became very butthurt when it wasn't). There was also a degree of annoyance at how Abyssea content was largely zerg rushes. I suppose you could say it came mostly from a desire for maintaining tradition forever.

>>714701731
I suspect you're asking ironically like an XIV tranny, but in case you're not: skillchains have always been a satisfying and timeless aspect of combat that I've never gotten tired of in 20+ years.

>you don't understand 99% of the game 'should' be trivialized, once you reach level cap that's when the mountsmogscheevos race really starts.

>>714701731
NTA but my favourite little feature is the different forms of aggro enemies have. Sight, scent, sound, magic, low HP. Pretty cool. I also remember hearing that scent enemies will deaggro you if you run through a stream or any sort of water, but I dunno if that's true or not.

>>714701690
Yes, it definitely has flaws in terms of story and progression but just fucking around with the combat system is pure bliss. Bravely Second has crazy job designs that would make XI blush and while it's divisive, BDII requires you to essentially rebuild your party for every boss because they all have unique counters to specific abilities

>>714682930
It didn't help either that so many things *are* affected by day/weather/moon phase. What was one more to add to the pile?

Post you're toon.

>>714701912
>I suspect you're asking ironically like an XIV tranny
no I am asking because I have implemented or researched many obscure features in ffxi for LSB and I genuinely love how retarded the game can be

such as how all counters are blunt because of spaghetti copy paste code

or one of my new favorites is how Bloody Bolt drain damage is dark aligned elemental damage that can also be reduced by piercing damage reduction, there's a similar thing for Sunburst/Starburst that on paper look like elemental damage but they are modified by blunt damage taken as well

>>714702000
>I also remember hearing that scent enemies will deaggro you if you run through a stream or any sort of water, but I dunno if that's true or not.
checked

but yes, it is true. Crawlers will deaggro on retail if you walk through water streams and out of their hearing range in Boyhada Tree

>Tonberry Kinq
>Guivre
>Bune
>Ass Dragon
Why was Zilart so hellbent on placing high level cunt NMs with a stupidly long aggro radius in chokepoints? These eventually get cleared out but not after they score 5+ kills from people just trying to get shit done

>>714702378
Tanaka's vision works in mysterious ways...

>>714701842
>>714659364
Yeah, Abyssea just made the game into a WoW/XIV style gear treadmill where stuff you collect is constantly being obsoleted to make you play for new stuff, it wasn't until Yoshi-P left to fix XIV that the dev team restabalized it and reintroduced horizontal progression.

Abyssea was actually really popular at the time because it was a way for all the burnt out endgame players to feel engaged and like fresh stuff was constantly coming at them, but it did this at the expense of the new player experience and the game's overall balance. Abyssea was the equivalent of "ok we expect the game to die soon so everybody gets to fuck around with superpowers and trivialize everything for a year."

>>714701912
I can never get sick of skillchains:
>wind up to a powerful weapon skill, takes a noticeable chunk off of even big name NMs
vs. WoW/XIV
>uhhhh you press your rotation frantically and non-stop for 12 minutes and uh... you don't really notice the boss's HP going down but if you check muh DPS LOGS you might see you did 0.2% better than the last time you did the encounter!!
Total tranny shit.

>>714702604
I hate parsers so much it's unreal

>>714682930
>Developers for years insist there is a "trick" to beating Absolute Virtue and no one has got it right yet.
>Release an incomprehensible "hint video" that people analyze for years but can't conclude anything that's realistically possible with human reaction time/server latency.
>Devs just casually confirm years later AV was never intended to be beatable and it was all a ruse.

XI didn't need to be a PvP game because it was Players vs Developers

>>714702604
Yeah, modern MMO rotations don't even feel like you're playing your job or fighting the boss, it feels like a minigame you're playing while you dodge stuff.

>>714702707
*zooms into the chatlog*
YOU BAKA GAIJINS! THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO!
btw we have 5ms ping to our local servers

>>714702378
to get to one of the outposts in ToAU don't you need to walk through that part in Reef littered with Soulflayers? It's funny, because you shortly learn that they aggro. Everything. Also link

>>714702843
Arrapago reef or whatever, yeah. filled with undead. There's a ton of ways to get through the zone, none of which are really good paths

>>714659364
>>714701842
The real key is that ever since CoP, the 2nd expansion, the devs had essentially said while they thought about raising the level cap they were committed to staying at 75 and would maintain that as the cap. That sets the player base up for a very specific mindset.

Then along comes 14 and the lead dev found a new passion project abandoning 11 so SE assigned new people to 11 and the promise of a decade was tossed out the door. Be it to purposefully murder the game so people would focus on the new MMO, the devs not understanding the balance of their new charge, or some other bullshit the damage was done and people said fuck it en mass. Also didn't hurt that the latest expansion WotG was still finishing up (and didn't until after Abyssea) and instead of another full retail thing they were toying with smaller scenario expansions instead which was already enough change to suggest that the long term model was not going to last as expected.

>>714671507
I remember it was someone like Ninja or whatever popular streamer gave a little try at one of the private servers. I ended up in a dunes party while playing Ranger and went completely ham pulling mobs because of his faggy power leveling entourage, pretty much the only time a stream has been useful banging out levels.

>>714702660
Addons in general fuck up MMOs massively. Every player should be on the same footing or else the devs have to cater to a bunch of different settings. DBM fucking DESTROYED WoW

>>714702000
Yes, it was. Additionally, breaking line of sight will stop sight tracking. What's important to note is that mobs have tracking methods in addition to aggro methods. They might not aggro sound, but can track by sound(there was never a smell aggro that I know of, only tracking). You also have to take into account that the game servers were in Japan, so even if you think you're around that corner or far enough away, on the actual server the thing still right on your ass. That's why you had assholes chase you across the map until you were dead or managed to zone.

>>714702378
>Guivre
Divine punishment for trying to level from 1 to 75 on crabs without dispel.

>>714703103
i was one of the few people who understood this back in the day. if i got aggroed it was sleep> deodorize > sneak > invis and they'd forget about me

>>714703263
based mechanics noticer

>>714703103
Damn that's so cool honestly, I wish it was easier to experience this sorta stuff. Shame I never got to play with servers close by

>>714702707
Didn't the players figure out the video strat and then SE promptly patched it out so no one could continue to benefit? That whole thing was a stupid mess and one of the most interesting and dumbest parts of the game.

It also reminds me of how some LS managed to spawn Pandemonium Warden early, but couldn't manage to kill it as it wasn't fully implemented yet, leading to hospitalizations as they kept the fight going for over a day. And then suddenly everything had rage timers!

>>714702660
I don't mind parsers if used self-improvement, but people who jerkoff over their logs are the worst.

I wish to try 11 but:
1 - Retail is apparently awful, or so everyone says
2 - Private servers are probably missing a ton of features, have bugged skills and don't have propper enemy aggro/behaviour.

There is no good way to try this MMO, is there?

>>714703540
>Didn't the players figure out the video strat and then SE promptly patched it out so no one could continue to benefit?
iirc, there were 3 viable methods and 2 of them were obvious cheats and the third was patched because SE didnt like it
First one was the Wall of Justice where AV couldn't attack the tank and thus could be burned down. Patched within a week
Then there was the method where you could hold AV and it wouldn't attack you while you were talking to an NPC, I think people just got jailed for this but it's been too long to remember
And the last was just Souleater + Blood weapon zerging which actually worked but SE patched it so souleater does less damage to AV.
I'm remembering theoretically you could kill AV in a few ticks with 18 scholars using Modus Veritas but that got patched before anyone actually used it

>It also reminds me of how some LS managed to spawn Pandemonium Warden early
not the same thing but https://ffxiclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Atnm_Test

>>714703739
>1 - Retail is apparently awful, or so everyone says
It's not, only private server trannies say this. Retail's imperfections are part of its appeal, and MMOs where you go through no adversary are completely forgettable. You don't remember when things are easy or go well, you remember struggles. It's one of (many) reasons why XIV is trash and not an MMO.

>>714703739
If you read the thread there are a bunch of people saying retail's fine. It's not classic 75 era everyone has nostalgia goggles for but it's still FF11. You can even be like that one anon who is self-imposing limits to be more in line with classic 75 era and having a blast. If you do go down that rabbit hole I would recommend, like them, to do that with a friend or few though as 75 era was not solo friendly for most things and not all story fights allow trusts to cover the slack.

>>714704021
Retail is just a RMT mercfest shithole of people who expect you to have already cleared the content to participate in it

>>714704083
simple fix for that: dont play on asura

>>714609534 (OP)
This shit even worth playing in 2025?

https://ffxiclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Excalibur_-_DA

>>714704083
>Retail is just a RMT mercfest shithole of people who expect you to have already cleared the content to participate in it
Yes, but a new player doesn't need what's being merc'd, just put on chat filters and experience the other 99% of the game.

>>714703739
>Retail is apparently awful, or so everyone says
It's really not. It's just pissing and moaning from retards who want you to play private servers.

>>714702604
There was some magical shit you could do. Like when I got to the Ultima Weapon fight in CoP I was playing RNG. We got it to about 50% HP and I told the healers to let me eat shit and keep the tank going slow and steady, then: Built TP - Sidewinder - Barrage - Sidewinder - used TP wing - Sidewinder - ESS - snuck another arrow - Sidewinder - got buttfucked to death by Ultima - we won after about 30 more seconds of the pt taking out its last bit of HP.

>>714703020
Might have been Asmongold (a copletely retarded WoW streamer) who some time ago was hopping between a bunch of different MMOs to try them out leaving of course a trail of cancer behind him.

>>714609534 (OP)
I feel sorry for you.

i was once offered 50k real life money for my character by uae fags. i should have taken it but i loved my character too much.

>>714704252
>DRK
haha

>>714703874
>I'm remembering theoretically you could kill AV in a few ticks with 18 scholars using Modus Veritas but that got patched before anyone actually used it
I remember hearing about that. I think a few groups got kills before SE nerfed that into the ground as well.

>not the same thing but https://ffxiclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Atnm_Test
That's neat, never knew about that event. Wouldn't be surprised if the two stories overlapped each other given how much folklore and whatnot got passed around back in the day and that's where I got it from.

>All the unused shit in Walk of Echoes that existed since day 1 WotG
>unused Sandworm materials
it's almost sad how hard 1.0 ruined WotG's development

>>714703739
>1 - Retail is apparently awful, or so everyone says
This is only said by people who want a time machine to their youth.
The best time to play FFXI always has been and always will be "right now"

>>714704236
If you actually like RPGs, yes.

>>714704492
qrd? I don't think i've heard much about unused stuff in wotg

>>714704492
Still feels good having that Sandworm title from murdering a spawn before they added its actual mechanics. I imagine it's not as special anymore with 99 cap but back then it was cool. It's a real shame how half-baked WotG feels even to this day.

>>714615065
sovlful as fuck
https://youtu.be/Yd1xIKTJEgQ?si=2uzzwe0UY7r23wjW

>When the powerball was at 1 billion+ (US lottery for any euros) I would daydream about winning, and giving it to SE on the contingency that they decouple XI from playonline, port it so it could continue to be developed normally, and release new expansion/content for it
Would they have done it if I won? Although when I give it more thought now, I'd also require them to try and hire the original devs wherever possible to avoid a kate situation, but they're probably in their 60s now.

>>714704437
>>714703874
It's very funny how FFXI made the mainstream news cycle of "evil game makes you play for 18 hours straight" because of Pandemonium Warden and then it actually turned out that you can beat him in under an hour and the linkshell that fought for 18 hours was just stalling because they didn't know his mechanics.

>>714704870
>I'd also require them to try and hire the original devs wherever possible to avoid a kate situation, but they're probably in their 60s now.
Tanaka looked like he didn't had much time left on the 20th anniversary stream. Looked ancient.

>>714704838
in this house, we play dolphin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6mxRUKehtE

>>714704978
Ok so my fix is they have to provide a roadmap, and be consulted on work in progress, like a consultant.

>>714703739
>Retail is awful
I'm the >>714652284 anon. It's different from 75 era, yes, and I can't speak much about it since I've never experienced it, but the way I've been doing this challenge run with my character is as close as I can get to old XI without resorting to cringe private servers.
These are the rules I've set for myself:

>No RoE for free EXP (this one I failed because I accidentally talked to the NPC that activates it. I just turn off all RoE missions in the menu)
>No Sparks/redeeming sparks for free equipment and money.
>All my gil must come from my own work, like crafting and selling shit on the auction house
>No Unity
>No EXP boosts equipment or Skill Up items
>No mounts, raise my own Chocobo and ride that shit
>No Home Points traversal unless necessary/short of time. If i'm going to Crawler's Nest, for example, I'm using my Outpost Warp to Jugner and ride my Chocobo to Crawler's.

Among other things that I can't remember. It's really fun and interesting, at least to me. Give it a try, you might enjoy it too.

>>714703020
I was playing HorizonXI at launch, farming a couple of Yagudo mobs in Giddeus, and two guys were nearby doin gthe same, partied up. For whatever reason they almost died once so I helped them out. We were really far from the entrance so it almost certainly stopped them getting killed. About 15 minutes later the same thing happened to me, and they just laughed and watched me die running away.
Turned out that was Ninja

>>714705438
streamers are faggots

>>714704838
>>714705196
The best part about the add-on era of 11 was them releasing an official soundtrack for them that included a disc of all that funky PlayOnline music. Jungle, Jazz, Filter Branch... Amazing tunes almost no one ever heard.

>>714705438
Sounds about right. Streamers are really of lten rats built upon a mountain of temporary alliances and backstabbing

>>714705652
I'm sorry I had a stroke.
Streamers are almost all rats buily upon*

>>714705816
built**
...

How easy it is to solo FFXI these days? I don’t have friends willing to slog through this with me but I want to experience Shantotto’s home game as her species.

>>714705531
>>714705652
Sad thing is I only had two negative experiences during my time on HorizonXI, and both of them were streamers. They just can't help but suck ass

>>714705930
Essentially joke tier on retail. You can't play all the plotlines with her to completion on private servers yet anyway

>>714705930
You can be on your level 1 starter gear at level 50, summon 6 trusts and let them do all the work. Don't come complaining that the game is boring after doing that, though.

Please make a new thread.

>>714706302
You can be naked from level 1 to 99 if you have all the rov key items

>>714706430
Working on it