The Gold Standard of RPGs. It really doesn't get better than this.

I agree, it's great. /v/ never talks about good games though.

>that crafting system
>that item menu
>that merchant system
>absolutely lifeless itemization
>all encounters per playthrough proceed the same way
>voiced narration
>voiced anything
Couldn't believe this game got such glowing reviews. Then I remembered CRPG fans don't compare their games to other genres, only to other CRPGs.

>>714646180
>>that crafting system
>>that item menu
>>that merchant system
>>absolutely lifeless itemization
>>all encounters per playthrough proceed the same way
>>voiced narration
>>voiced anything
>Couldn't believe this game got such glowing reviews. Then I remembered CRPG fans don't compare their games to other genres, only to other CRPGs.

>>714646343
Even games from the early 2000s blow DoS2 out of the water. Planescape Torment, Baldur's Gate 2, System Shock 2, Deus Ex. If you want to talk JRPGs, FF7 and FF Tactics. That's not even mentioning modern games. If you want to argue, then present an argument instead of acting like a woman.

>>714646180
>that crafting system
There are loads of great items, gear, potions, and food items you can craft, especially when combined with talents like five star diner. Some item combinations are a bit obtuse, but you can find numerous books with recipes, just experiment, or just look up the common ones
>that item menu
..? pretty straightforward
>that merchant system
..? pretty straightforward
>absolutely lifeless itemization
Not sure what you mean. I found the loot system more satisfying than most ARPG loot games, and it encourages doing quests and exploration. I've heard people complain about how you constantly need to change armor every level, but that's not true at all, as high-tier equips or a strong passive effect will make an item last multiple levels or even majority of the game if you want.
>all encounters per playthrough proceed the same way
not even remotely true in the slightest, have you even played the fucking game?
>voiced narration
You can disable it.
>voiced anything
You can disable it.

>>714646570
>If you want to talk JRPGs, FF7 and FF Tactics
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO

fucking kill yourself you absolute fucking subhuman simpleton holy shit HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

thanks for the laugh you fucking retard

>>714645812 (OP)
I couldn't gut the quirky writing and refunded it right away

>>714646570
Lmao shut the fuck up you absolute braindead subhuman mong. Dogshit like Final Fantasy and VNs like Planescape blow it out of the water? You are absolutely fucking delusional. Go rattle off a half-dozen different CRPGs that are maybe arguably better in a single aspect, and even then, not really, as it's just pure nostalgia speaking, or actually most likely you're just a zoomer retard trying to peacock as an oldfag.

DOS2 has absolutely top-notch
>sense of adventure, immersion, and world-building
>free-form, challenging, open-ended combat with a strong focus on environmental interaction
>deep mechanics, strong strategic elements, and high replayability
>memorable fights against a huge variety of well-designed enemies and bosses in unique scenarios that take part in context of a greater narrative/quest, instead of just being braindead throwaway trashmobs to farm
>tons of classes, builds, spells, playstyles to tinker with
>world design and inter-connectivity
>quest design, interactivity, and reactivity
>player choice and freedom
>lighthearted writing that knows when to be serious and with engaging companion arcs
>attention to detail, ability to interact with anything, go anywhere, go in any building, steal anything, kill anyone, story always adapts to your actions

There are many games that are strong in one aspect, and weak in most others. DOS2 is as strong in its weakest aspects as most RPGs are in their strongest aspect. It is just such an incredibly well-rounded game, and it especially excels in open-ended environmental-based combat, player choice and freedom, and interactivity/reactivity that are completely untouched by any other comparable RPG in existence (except other Larian RPGs)

>>714645812 (OP)
The first game is better

>>714646180
total zoomgroid death

>>714645812 (OP)
Best RPG combat that isn’t Mass Effect

>>714645812 (OP)
I played the first two acts like 4 fucking times then I drop it. Combat's just such a fucking slog.

>>714646570
>comparing jarpiggy crap, imsims, and visual novels to CRPG greats

>>714646727
What a godawful post with zero (0) arguments beyond "I liked it, so fuck you."

Look at this shit. Skyrimized itemization is a blight on Western RPG devs. "Here are some interactable buckets." "Here are some interactable barrels (they can blow up by the way and do small amounts of damage, wow!). "Here are 50 seashells on this beach, you can pick up every one you know!!!!" Utter trash from a gameplay standpoint, pure pointless busywork meant for mouthbreathers. Did Larian even playtest this game, or were they so enamored by perks like "doubles the effect of food and potions" that this was their idea of a good time? 80 HOURS OF THIS FUCKING SHIT piddling around menus and performing the equivalent of fetch quests for weapons that do 2 extra damage or skillbooks you already bought 20 hours ago. What a shitshow.

>>714647134
Ridiculous. Larian slapped on a few difficulty levels by upping HP and damage, made enemies select different targets per attack, and called it a day.
>Enemies get a +50% boost to health, armor, damage.
>Enemies now regularly start out with 6 or more AP.
>Turns are no longer are affected by Initiative scores, but are now hard-coded in a ally-enemy-ally-enemy fashion
That's your idea of free-form, challenging, open-ended combat? Every battle is literally the same. 80 hours of battering ram and battle stomping for knockdowns as a fighter type. 80 hours of using whatever key skill you picked as a spellcaster for paralysis or your status of choice. The same goes for every other class like some perverse Skinner box. Fuck, I want to puke just thinking about it.
The rest of this post is a structure on a sandy foundation. If the core gameplay sucks ass, there's no further argument needed. I agree that the writing and attention to detail is very present, like a game made by and for autistic people. But this is definitely missing the forest (fun) for the trees (attention to detail).

>>714646180
>>714646570
>jarpiggy when the wrpg doesn't have predefined unchangeable builds like the spiky haired faggot with a giant sword, heal slut, mage bitch, comic relief sidekick for him
>>714646727
he actually brought up jrpgs KEEEEEEK

>>714647657
>being able to interact with your environment and pick up items, sell them, and craft with them is bad
here's your RPG, golem bro

>>714646180
westoids don't really have standards
as long as they can fuck animals and have buttsex they are satisfied

>>714647657
>fira, firaga, firagaga, firagoogoogaagaa is a better system btw
LMAOOOOOOO

>>714647770
You're incoherent at this point. You're losing it. You're having a meltdown.

>>714645812 (OP)
Pillars of Eternity is better

>>714646180
>Then I remembered CRPG fans don't compare their games to other genres, only to other CRPGs.
yes, because I'm really dying to hear what a call of duty players thinks about crpgs

>>714647834
To be fair, FF7 has been talked about and is more beloved than any other RPG in history. Wonder why that is.

>>714647657
>food can be crafted to create really strong consumables especially with five-star-diner
>body parts can be consumed by elves for benefits
>the bucket is an early game equip and can be used by undead to hide their appearance
>the letters are mostly just one use and you can dispose of them, no reason to hold them unless you want to refer to them again
>keys same as above
>scrolls are incredibly powerful for single-use spells, or you can just sell them
>skillbooks are likewise extremely important for teaching permanent skills, or sell them if you don't need
>pot can be used for cooking over flame
>bedroll obviously extremely important for resting out of combat
>essences can be crafted in a ton of different ways to make powerful items
>gold and pearl are valuable items to steal, worth a lot
>runes are extremely powerful in combination with armor
>fire grenades can be used in combat or for a number of fire interactions

What is your issue here? Each item has a specific use and purpose, and there is a ton of playstyle freedom in how you can use these. If you don't want them, just sell them which takes a few seconds. The main complaint with Skyrim's item system was how it's just organized in one giant list. DOS2 gives you a grid with categories and a variety of ways to store and sort items.

You do realize you don't have to just go to every location in the game and pick up each and every single piece of garbage, right? Many of them do have multiple purposes and uses or can just be sold, but if you don't want to do that, then just... don't... Why are you having a sperg meltdown?

>>714647843
Tell me you've never played a paper and pen game irl without telling me you have.
That's the point of being able to grab everything, cause you can.
Or you can do ply choose not to grab it, it's that simple.
If you want d to complain about how the armor/magic armor system on the game is stupid. Or the fact the game has a factually worse summon system than the first game you'd have real arguments talking about the game.
But naw you just hate cause you are bad at crpgs

>>714648053
As I've gotten older Ive known most people say they like ff7 soloey cause of the character designs and a large majority of people who "like" it have never even touched it.

>>714648053
>to be fair mcdonalds is very popular
oh no noooo he went for the hail mary popular = good LOOOOL why reveal yourself to be a pseud who only likes thing only if other people do?

>>714647850
No.

>>714647850
I liked Pillars but it objectively isn’t.

>>714647657
Tactician changes health, damage, enemy AI and behavior, and also changes up many fights with totally different and more challenging units and placements. Honour removes save-scumming. Both of these are a far cry from just adjusting some damage values. Tactician and Honour are both an extremely fun and replayable challenge.

>Turns are no longer are affected by Initiative scores, but are now hard-coded in a ally-enemy-ally-enemy fashion
The round-robin system and armor system are to prevent the turn one CC spam from DOS1. DOS2 has much more viable and fun builds and playstyles as a result. The character with highest initiative still always goes first, but then it alternates, their fastest, your next fastest, etc.

>If the core gameplay sucks ass
woah, woah, WOAH. Are you fucking trolling? DOS2 has not just the best combat in any CRPG ever, but arguably the best turn-based or strategy combat EVER. It is insanely good: challenging, strategic, tactical, replayable, varied, satisfying learning curve.

I mean what even is your argument against it..?
>it's bad because difficulty level change stats, enemy layouts, and enemy AI/behavior
>it's bad because round-robin system makes encounters fresh and exciting instead of turn-one CC spamfests

>Fuck, I want to puke just thinking about it.
Because you're a stupid fuck who got filtered lmao. Instead of crying and blaming the game, go play something more appropriate for your intelligence and skillset.

>>714647657
Actual, genuine, unironic brainlet post.

>>714645812 (OP)
its trash.

>>714645812 (OP)
Agreed.

>>714647657
>Every battle is literally the same. 80 hours of battering ram and battle stomping for knockdowns as a fighter type. 80 hours of using whatever key skill you picked as a spellcaster for paralysis or your status of choice. The same goes for every other class like some perverse Skinner box.
Try playing on a difficulty above story mode. Or maybe don't, you seem to already be struggling with that.

>Tactician locks you from ever lowering the difficulty
>Honour locks you from ever savescumming
Based. More games need to do this. You WILL learn the fucking game to even ever be able to touch these difficulties. Your unwashed classic playing ass will not just willy-nilly shuffle between these difficulties as you please.

The only thing it needs is not giving you the real ending if you play on a lower difficulty, just have your characters auto-die and then say "shouldn't have been a pussy, better luck next time on tactician!"

>>714647135
yeah this is right

>>714648130
>just DON'T interact with the content presented, consider it flavor
That defeats the whole point of having the content in the first place! Larian clearly never asked "what would a player do?" when placing a bucket, seashell, body part, or barrel in practically every room of Fort Joy. Oh great, a bunch of items you can pick up but don't need to and actually shouldn't because they're literally pointless. If they're literally pointless, why are they interactable in the first place? Logic escaped the Larian team on this one. Whoever was in charge of placing buckets probably got a big raise.
You know what game got items exactly right? Dark Souls. You know, the universally beloved game that spawned a genre based on sheer excellence. Weapons are in the weapon tab. Consumables in the consumable tab. Keys in the key tab. DoS2 came out 5 years after Dark Souls but didn't learn a damn thing from it. Fuck you Swen. Fuck you.
If some dumb asshole is gonna come in here and say DoS2 is a truly great RPG, on par with the greatest, you better have a fucking litany of superb design decisions from top to bottom. If a game can't even get itemization right, it's all downhill from there. It's not like dealing with shriekers or investigating the 15th (at least bespoke) cave in 40 hours is a platinum seal of quality. It's yet another iteration of Elder Scrolls slop.

>>714648161
I liked the armor system honestly, a nice changeup from many games (you're right about summoning though). The item issue is the problem here - this isn't pen and paper. It's tedious busywork, and it could've all be solved with just a little more thought from the devs. Elder Scrolls infected other WRPGs with this problem - "we need to give players the ability to collect meaningless shit, because that's the standard now. Todd Howard is a millionaire." What a mess.

There, now that the thread is properly alive, my job is done. Fuck Larian, fuck DoS2, promote the writers, demote the designers.

>>714649191
>game bad because I'm an autist sperg who has to interact with every single last piece of garbage I ever see

>>714649191
>Dark Souls comparison
Oh no, it's retarded

Also items can be sorted and organized by category, and filtered by weight, value, type, and you can use bags to further itemize.

Souls gives you one giant consolized list to scroll through that takes much longer to find a single item despite having a much smaller pool of items.

Anyways, you sound highly autistic, low intelligence, and clearly struggle with turn-based combat even on easier settings

>>714646727
The crafting system is dogshit and next to useless compared to the first game

this or BG3?
i like sexy elves and good gameplay

>>714645812 (OP)
>It really doesn't get better than this.
Well besides the first game that is. DS2 was a disappointment with its retarded armor system.

>>714651301
BG3 suffers from being D&D shovelware
Divinity OS's setting and story is only marginally better but not having that baggage is a massive boon

>>714645812 (OP)
I swear everyone who likes this shit only played for ten or so hours and then dropped it.

It's typical front loaded larian shit, fuck DOS1 was better.

Fucking cringe writing throughout both.

I love DoS2, but I dont understand the argument, that the higher difficulties provide replay value.
Once you know where all the spells are, and the meta stratagies its still putting enemies through endless cc chains will min-maxxing stats for the right build allocation.
All that shit can be wikkied and every fight is pretty much going to play out the same.

Case in point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi_5vl8ATu8

>>714648898
It's really not as bad as people think. Wiping on honour is very fucking hard outside of a few fights if you guys have beaten the game at least once and have an idea of what's coming with the back and forth initiative system and access to a lot of get out of jail cards

It's true.
Though I would appreciate if fights were a bit shorter. At times, on tactician with no minmaxing build, they felt so stressing that I had to take some weeks off the game.

>>714651362
Nah, it's a fun mechanic to play around and, combined with the round robin system, prevents fights from being just perma CC spam where the enemy never gets a turn. Many more playstyles and builds are viable now.

And no, you don't need mono teams to deal with it. Mono phys, Mono magic, and hybrid can all deal with it totally fine even on honour

>>714645812 (OP)
The gold standard is Baldur's Gate 2 since everything we have in CRPG now already existed 20 years ago

>>714647868
>The only other game outside of the cRPG genre is Call of Duty
Smartest cRPGnigger on 4chan

>>714647135
>>714649051
>>714651362
>>714651584
Is this a samefag or is /v/ really this retarded and contrarian?

>>714645812 (OP)
i got bored pretty fast, idk. wasn't for me.

>>714651834
>All that can be wiki'd
Crazy that looking up how to beat a game tells you how to beat it.
You probably just copy your builds from online shit too I'm guessing.
The point of high difficulties is trying to prevail through your own knowledge, your strategies, and what you find fun.
The second you use walkthroughs or wikis you are just watching a let's play with extra steps

Playing this in multiplayer was funny. I had no clue what i was doing so my friend just told me to max summoning, so I did. None of the stats really did anything for me so I got enough to wear armor + slot all my spells and then dumped it all into initiative. Basically went first in every fight including half the bosses, summoned my giant retard and grouped bad guys for the rest of my friends. Then I relaxed and made sure not to die so that the run doesn't end if they fucked up

>>714646180
>merchant system
what's wrong with it? you buy and sell things like normal with the extra option for bartering.
>all encounters proceed the same way
kind of? you have options to pick sides and that changes outcomes but it's not terribly reactive to your party or anything
>voiced narration
the narrator is good, if you don't like the VA you can turn it off. It's a million times better than the VA for basically and modern WRPG. I will give you the crafting and item system, it's awful to micromanage and organizing your inventory takes way too much time.
>>714646570
Deus ex is the only one that has servicable gameplay, and that's because it's stealth oriented, the rest of those suck ass. DOS2 not only has good gameplay, but some of the best tactical gameplay of any rpg, even better than baldurs gate 3. you are an old man blinded by nostalgia.

>>714645812 (OP)
Too bad it has cringe millennial humor writing.

>>714645812 (OP)
I get why it was necessary but the armor system could've been handled better and the third act straight up being non functioning was also fucked, no idea how well they addressed it later

>>714651249
This, in the first game you can craft a fucking sword, now you stuck with knife on a stick.
>>714646180
>that retarded armor system

>>714645812 (OP)
It's good and a shining example of how to make a multiplayer CRPG but IDK about calling it the best in general. Like the plot suffers a bit from the general inter-changeability of you and your companions and your custom dudes never feel as personal as the D:OS 1 source hunters. I actually do like the classless system despite it being super easy to exploit and I'm neutral on the armor system but the game still suffered from Larian's weakness to creating good final acts. The finale was good but Arx even with the DE update still wasn't all that good and for the most part your party's combat strategy had already hit its peak during the island at the latest

>>714652353
What was wrong with Act 3? I only ever played the Definitive Edition.

It's not as good as Act 1 and Act 2, but I actually quite enjoyed it. It's a nice change of pace and scenery, and I like how open-ended and combat focused it is, but at the same time, if you know what you're doing, you can finish the entire chapter in like 10 minutes if you want. It also has a lot of resolutions for companion quests.

>>714651985
>Is this a samefag or is /v/ really this retarded and contrarian?
Call me whatever mate, it's just an opinion, I just feel like DOS1 was the better overall game, it felt more rounded, better paced, a bit tighter designed, doesn't feel like there's anything superfluous there.

I really liked the start of DOS2, but it just fell off super fast, it's like they blew their load on the entire first Act then just dialled it in then rushed it to the finish line. It doesn't keep up the momentum or quality, and whilst 1 might not hit the same highs, it's a lot more consistent.

If you want to hear some real contrarian shit though, I think Icewind Dale is better than BG1.

>>714652523
Like I said, I dunno if they patched it but it had nearly no content apart from the story parts with some really obvious cut and unfinished things strewn around, really fucking shit performance despite the rest of the game working really well and bugs on bugs.

>>714645812 (OP)
Still playing through the first one
Did they improve the absolutely atrocious pixel hunting for interactible objects and loot in the second one?

>>714652645
Yeah, it's not nearly as obtuse.

Also I'm not sure if you can in the first game, but you can create a big circle and view a list of all interactive elements (I think a handful of hidden secrets are excluded, but it's like 99.9% of things)

>>714652645
um are you aware you can highlight intractable objects and loot with a key press?

>>714652854
>>714652856
On a keyboard? I know the option exists for a controller, but I didn't find that for keyboard.
Then again, I somehow didn't realize at first the merchant menu had a button to automatically add required amount of gold, so I may be slightly retarded

>>714652059
>The point of high difficulties is trying to prevail through your own knowledge, your strategies, and what you find fun
Not if you are a slopfinder fan

>>714645812 (OP)
DoS 1 was my first CRPG and made me get into the genre. I liked 2, but it's the game that made me start to critisize Larian and Bioware style CRPGs. Fallout 1/2 really ruined me and now I enjoy similar CRPGs to them the most, like Underrail.

DnD style Party-based CRPGs just have a very boring way of forcing party elements that make most build decisions feel inconsequential outside of combat encounters becuase you have a character available for every scenario. You can do every skill check. The only choices your locked to are story choices that have no bearing on your gameplay.

That's not to mention how linear and railroading the whole "Act-Based" structure of those types of games are. Making subsequent playthroughs really boring and eye opening to how little choice you really have. Most of it just boiling down to the good choice, and the evil choice. But regardless you still fight the same people and progress the same becuase there are no faction systems in these types of CRPGs. So they can not truly be non-linear.

Ultimately I think CRPGs that have started incorprating Tactics elements like Jagged Alliance, Wasteland, and Rouge Trade have far better party based combat. While solo CRPGs like Fallout/Underrail provide a much more rewarding and specialized gameplay structure. Where CRPGs like Baldurs Gate, Pathfinder, DoS, etc excel in is their narrative focus. They tell a much more structured story with easy to stay invested in story telling. In that regard, it's the sub-genre of CRPGs that is honestly closest to JRPGs. Which probably explains their popularity among normalfags. So if you can't get invested in the characters of these games, they basically lose any strengths they had left.

>>714652645
>Did they improve the absolutely atrocious pixel hunting for interactible objects and loot in the second one?
Use alt, it won't highlight everything though.

I highly recommend you use this tooltip mod for DOS1, there's one for DOS2.

https://www.pinewood.team/ep1p/

>>714653021
Press left ALT

>>714645812 (OP)
nah, not with that inventory management it isn't. i literally can't even replay this after the first time because of it. same with BG3. it isn't a first person immersive sim, no idea why they insist on cluttering the environment with unusable garbage. hope they get their shit together for their space game, because while i enjoy their combat systems, i refuse to pay them for an inventory system like that again. it's amateurish and worse than systems we've had since the 90s.

>>714645812 (OP)
they tried to hard to buck classic fantasy conventions but were too afraid to launch a game without them.
>dwarves! but they're totally cool with magic and they're ruled by a mage queen
gay, why bother making them dwarves then
>elves! but they're feral and savage cannibals with no arts or crafts or music
gay, why bother making them elves then
>big lizard beast-man party member
just kidding, he's a posh british human wearing a scalesuit
>undead primordial ancient race party member
just kidding, he's ANOTHER posh british guy

hard to enjoy an RPG when you hate all of the characters in the cast and the setting itself.

>>714645812 (OP)
1 was better.

>>714653802
>get to BG3
>the only player voice options are pitch bend variations of posh british dudes
>half-orcs, dwarves, dragonborn, the urchin background, and anybody with more muscles than a tea-sipping fag become instantly unplayable
is an upper-crust london family holding their studio hostage or something? why do they keep doing this

>>714645812 (OP)
It's okay but that's it.

>>714653507
You could, get this, NOT pick up every little piece of garbage

>>714654387
>BG3 doesn't even have a dorf companion
What a dumpster fire of a game.

>>714645812 (OP)
BG was such a downgrade to DOS2 and DOS.

>>714647657
Man you are actually braindead retard go make another bg3 or botw hate thread

>>714654461
why is it there if it has no purpose? why should anybody have to sift through 45 nametags on a table that read "Fork" or "Knife" when they just want to pick up a quest note or a health potion? what is the utility of having forks, knives, and plates be interactable? they can't be used or weaponized and can barely even be sold. if its existence can't be justified in gameplay then it's bloat. i specifically reference first person sims because at least there you could argue that it makes the world more believable, or that the physics of blasting all of those clutter objects off a table improves the verisimilitude or graphical presentation of the game. no such applications with an isometric RPG where you view your character from ~15-35ft in the sky.

>>714654476
it would've just been an insulting non-dwarf that hates drinking, mining, and battle if they did, so it's probably for the best.

>>714654652
Deciding what items are useful is part of the difficulty and you can't handle it you weakling

Maybe you should stick to nintendo games

>>714654747
Fair point, it's depressing how allergic writers are to tropes and cliches, people love them for a reason, they work for a reason, you can still make them interesting and fun without making everything lolsorandumb special snowflake original character donut steel just for the sake of being different.

>>714653420
>>714653170
Well, guess I am retarded
Cheers, anons

>>714646343
>picrel
Literally (you).

>>714654652
Knives can be used as weapons, cut wood, food etc. pots can be turned into campfire stoves. A bowl can be made into a makeshift shovel. Forks can be used for makeshift harpoons iirc. Plates are the only thing useless but sell for quite a bit if they're gold.

>>714645812 (OP)
I like BG3 a lot more than DoS2 but it's still a great game, and DoS2's better for co-op than BG3 since the origin characters all have drama and there's more party conflict baked into it, but that's a very minor point where DoS2's a little better

>>714646727
>Not sure what you mean. I found the loot system more satisfying than most ARPG loot games,
Tells us everything we need to know about you.
>>714647657
Little to add, really. Whole it was a refreshing experience, it's way too tedious for a great game. Truth is, there's a huge demand for rpg and little offered on the market.

>>714647850
Not at all. It has beautiful backgrounds thoughbeit.

Every minor npc interaction playing a cutscene was pretty annoying in BG3.

>>714649328
It's bad design really. Most items should have at least one function.

>>714651906
That's the problem. No innovation whatsoever.

>>714655038
>Well, guess I am retarded
We're all retarded, but that's the beauty of this shithole, because we are all retarded then none of us are retarded.

>>714645812 (OP)
I hate this game but I’ve played it 200 hours and am considering another play through.
Why is this the best CRPGs can do?
Do I have to make this shit myself?

>>714646570
Planescape is unplayable stop kidding yourself

>>714645812 (OP)
I played this game but I barely remember any parts of it because I hated the "goofy" way it was written. Can you tell me your top 3 optional side quests?

You know, the good shit that really stood out. Like for example Oblivion has the painted world, the whodunit quest, Hackdirt, Aleswell, the heist with Gray Fox etc.

>>714647850
>Pillars of Eternity is better
It might just be me but I feel like the pacing of the game is completely fucked. I've started it like three times now but I always end up dropping it during or just after Defiance Bay, I just get burnt out and kinda bored.

Fucking hated the backer NPC's on release, modding them out is mandatory. I also really dislike how nothing respawns so the maps end up feeling empty, but I get they didn't want people XP farming, but it makes the world feel so dead if you re-visit anywhere.

Durance is probably the only party member I enjoy, but even then he'll occasionally go full wall of text.

It's not a bad game, but it feels like it's so close to being something really great but it's just a little undercooked.

>>714649191
DOS2 is going for realism, fagsoles is A Game with Glowing Game Items lying on the ground for Game Players. It’s glorified DDR on rails.
DOS2 has buckets because humans living in houses have buckets. Fagsoles doesn’t because it hasn’t progressed past the worldbuilding of a super Mario game. Arcade slop for kids.

>>714651301
The story and characters of dos2 are really dumb and forgettable, but the combat and power progression is noticeably better.

>>714651584
I only like it in the sense that everything else is so bad it looks good.
Like their competition is owlshat.

>>714645812 (OP)
>DOS1
>finally arrive to the village slaughtered by orcs
>there's a gay orc bandit couple
>snitch on them to the orc leader
>she kills the faggot and strings him up on the gallows
Any other moments of kino justice?

>>714652267
Maybe I’m too autistic but I hear people talk about its humor/quirkiness all the time when I didn’t detect a single joke in the entire game.
Maybe it’s because I didn’t have sir Lora. I heard him talk once after finally getting pet pal in act 2, went “nah” and killed him.
And I was Fane, so if fane was cringe I didn’t hear it. And I left beast and allahu akbar on fort joy.

>>714647850
TRVTH NVKE

>>714652471
I made arx fun by making it my untracked goal to get everyone every skill, which made me constantly have nonsense builds with skills I’d never heard of.

>>714646570
>jarpigs
I don't play movieshit with braindead """""gameplay"""""

>>714652645
Yes actually. You hold down A and it gets everything.

>>714656281
1 is a poorly paced and under cooked slog, 2 is genuinely really good though. Very underrated.

>>714653061
I swear I’m going to wind up finishing WOTR because everyone I know loves it, but it’s miserable to me.

>>714645812 (OP)
soulless shit for people who lack abstract thinking to appreciate esthetics, setting and story
>environmental effects go boom wheee

>>714656281
Non spawning isn't the problem, constant revisiting is.

>>714657223
There's a certain whimsical tone in the dos games thats good for a giggle or two.

>>714654652
Because it’s someone’s house. People have forks.

>>714657421
I like the surface combos, but they certainly overdid the miasma of necro fire in literally every fight. It seems to me that the ai is constantly out numbering and over leveling, which makes every fight literally identical.

>>714646180
I'm convinced larian is a psyop studio or heavily invested in propaganda. Their rpgs are soulless compared to the late 90's classics. Not to mention the newest coomer simulator

>>714655023
I really liked the way they did elves more like Witcher elves. Forest people would be more the savage in noble savage.

>>714645812 (OP)
Shut it, if they could fucking bring baldurs gate 2 into that engine, it would own.

>>714647134
>planescape is dogshit
literal npc

>>714652217
>baldur's gate sucks ass
gameplay is not mindlessly doing x y z retard, and certainly not in an rpg game. Play xcom if you want tactical gameplay

>>714657421
>J-just use your imagination goys! Btw that'd be 60 dollaridoos!
I hate jarpiggers so much.

>>714656070
absolute subhuman, I guess I answered my own question itt. Lariaan makes rpgs for people who hate rpgs and just want to play xcom with spells. And there's more of such.. players, than people who enjoy rpgs which are autistic genre. You cant appreciate an rpg game if you can't imagine an apple

>>714657652
Do a remaster of your boomer games then because as a zoomer they are so ugly that they are literally unplayable. Planescape has four pixels in the entire game, I am not playing older than me, fuck off.

>>714657859
>I can't think abstractly aand am going to mock you because you can
subhuman proving my point >>714657868
>>714657648
It's a chore simulator not an rpg.

>>714657902
I don't give a damn if you're mentally retarded and can't look past surface like a hylic npc. Know that modern games are shit because of subhumans like you.

>>714645812 (OP)
It's by far one of the worst games I ever played.

>>714657695
>Shut it, if they could fucking bring baldurs gate 2 into that engine, it would own.
This. I'd also like Fallout 1/2 and especially Arcanum. Holy fuck would it be such a good engine for Arcanum.

I like Larians combat and sandbox style, but I hate fucking everything else they do.

>>714657902
also try applying that logic to movies for a second to realize how retarded you sound

>>714647850
They hated him because he said the truth

>>714645812 (OP)
This was the first isometric CRPG I ever played, back in 2018. I have some emotional attachment to this game because it brought me some joy when I was depressed as fuck. Listening to its soundtrack is nostalgic as fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZecUMWTdrO8
But holy shit if it doesn't drop the ball hard in act 3. When you go to the island the game drops in quality hard. I remember just wanting to finish it for once from there
I have played most CRPG from 1997 to 2010 since then. And a lot of them I enjoyed more than OS2

>>714657868
You have to understand that this shit is like watching a silent movie or listening to music on a wax wheel. This game is so old its parents are pressuring it for grandchildren. It feels like doing work for history class. It is unplayable. I am a human being not an archaeologist. It would be like some random guy in a nursing home was really earnestly trying to get you to listen to a radio serial from 1915 with 200 episodes.

>>714658062
The movie equivalent wouldn’t even be a movie. It’s like saying the radio broadcast of war of the worlds is your favorite movie. Nothing 2D is even really a video game. It’s like radio.

>>714658174
Like every Larian game half the playerbase just replays act 1. Because after that its unfinished.

>>714658226
You're mentally broken and need so much stimulation you unironically watch crappy vidya in the background while watching a youtube video. I get it, you're mentally broken. But if you're fucked in the head you should try to fix yourself, not make qualitative statements about what video games are good.

>>714658174
based and true on all counts. for me it was
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvCtUKno5Q0
i dropped the game in act 3 after killing the pope guy (alexander?) whose name i forgot for the THIRD TIME in the game. what's the point of giving the player freedom if they're going to just ignore your decisions and just bring characters back to life anyway and not even address that you killed them? i was already bored and wishing the game would end at that point, but that mother fucker being alive AGAIN after i fought him in act 1 and killed him on the boat/prison cage in act 2 pushed me over the edge.

>>714645812 (OP)
>gold standard
>is the most basic by the books shit to ever exist
Think you meant to post pathfinder

got it on summer sale and very impressed by it
top quality visuals, story and gameplay

just found out how to steal and now i'm robbing everyone
still wish for more quest marker handholding

>>714658284
>the equivalent of an older lement from category A is not old element from category A, it's category B
you're an idiot, this is not an argument
>2D is not video games
you don't get to make up definitions for established things that make no logical sense just to cope that you're not mentally broken by overstomulation

>>714646180
it wasnt reviewd by crpg fans but for normalfagoid game journalist obviously

>>714658382
so graphics and gameplay, what story though

>>714658332
No you fucking boomer. 3D was standard in all games by the time I was born. I’m not playing a slideshow just because you’re so fucking old that that used to be acceptable to you. I’m also not going to listen to radio serials on a gramophone or read latin or go to a minstrel show. Get a grip you old fuck.

>>714647850
based and correct. ive beaten POE1 and 2 at least three times each. you couldn't pay me enough to fiddle with inventory management in DOS2 or BG3 again.

>wanted to get into crpg
>tried pathfinder, kingmaker, tyranny, etc.
>all were visual novels, no fun allowed, quit after half an hour
>dos2 finally goes on sale
>already played for over 5 hours
now i can have fun and wait for bg3 to go on sale later

>>714658226
>like some random guy in a nursing home was really earnestly trying to get you to listen to a radio serial from 1915 with 200 episodes.
Reading this unironically makes me want to go and check out old radio plays.

>>714658519
What kind of 3D? Free camera control 3D? Isometric 3D? Which definition of 3D are you going to pick to justify your retarded 70 IQ pseudoargument?
>whatever existed before I was born is not valid because I'm the center of the universe
>only the new is valid because- because it's the new ok?
Narcissistic npc trash with trashy tastes tries to make objective statements on quality of things. No wonder modern society is so shit with such rootless, uncivilized barbarians among us.

i like the skeleton companion and i heard that final fantasy mmo copied his backstory to create an antagonist few years ago

>>714647850
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO LIKE THE BEAR SEX XCOM GAME WITH EXPLODING BARRELS NOOOOOOOOOO

>>714658735
>can't wait to play coomer zoophilia multiracial troon simulator
kys instead

>>714645812 (OP)
I tried it after seeing the glazing it gets here. It's shit

>>714658861
>copied
can't steal an idea if that idea is
>every effeminate high class british guy ever

>>714658226
>It would be like some random guy in a nursing home was really earnestly trying to get you to listen to a radio serial from 1915 with 200 episodes.
Having just finished reading the complete chronicles of Conan from the 1930's a raido serial from that period could be absolute fucking kino.

>JRPGs mentioned one(1) time
>Complete Warpig thread long meltdown because FF7 STILL makes them seethe

Why are WRPGonlies so fucking fragile lmao Jesus Christ. Just be a masterrace like me who enjoys both.

>>714645812 (OP)
The magical/ physical armour split fucking sucks it means having a mixed party or skills is suboptimal

>>714658856
I’m not making a moral or value judgement. I’m just trying to explain being a young person, because apparently your brain has ossified. These games feel like historical documents and it is painful to interact with them. You can cry and say it’s my fault all you want, but I’m telling you it’s because old technologies feel more like artifacts than entertainment regardless of how you’ve lived your life. You don’t interact with ancient stuff outside of once for a little while for curiosity like >>714658847. It’s too fucking old. Like you can read Tristan Shandy or Beowulf without footnotes, and understand and appreciate it, but the English is foreign enough that it’s always going to feel a bit like work just from age. These games feel like trying to read a book in old English. It isn’t fun.

dos2 is the best beginner crpg

Witcher 3 shits all over your turbosperg simulators. Having the camera be from the bird's perspective breaks all immersion and having to manage multiple party members inventories/stats whatever is tedious and boring, also: turn based games will never be fun, when it's the enemy's turn you're literally not playing the game.

>>714658936
Written language moves way slower than spoken language. Books from the 1800s are still enjoyable and books from the 1500s are still readable. Talking to someone from the 1800s would be difficult and talking to someone from the 1500s would be more like developing a subset of pidgin English with every new person. Between the transatlantic accent and the audio quality a decent chunk of radio is hard to even make out.
Like nobody IIT is going to sincerely listen to this, enjoy it organically and be able to have a conversation about it with somebody in a home:
https://youtu.be/1XNTd8W1rCc

>>714659282
>witcher 3
what a fucking pedestrian. of all the games to make this kind of appeal to, you chose a 3rd person action game with a preset character and story as the pinnacle of immersion? a game where you can carry like 8 swords before you're encumbered and have to carry repair kits to manage durability with so you can keep playing the game as the pinnacle of inventory management? kill yourself you broccoli haired faggot retard.

>>714657296
Kinda did the same thing in experimenting with dumb shit since I had buddies who liked the game enough to replay it a number of times. It's how I found out you can just throw dirt to remove lava and deathfog. Pretty handy when one of our idiots auto-piloted during an honour mode run and hit the deathfog + lava trap in the imp puzzle, twice

>>714646570
>FF7
Menuslop
>FFT
Discount X-COM for weebs who get filtered by it. None of the tactics games from Japan, be it FE, Disgaea, FFT, Tactics Ogre etc. could ever surpass western's isometric turn based games like JA and X-COM.

>>714657925
Backpack simulator, as I call it.

>>714659219
Mickey constantly in fight or flight mode

>>714645812 (OP)
>rpg
the world doesnt feel real and story and dialogue is shit, every encounter just feels like it was created just for you to fight and not as part of the world.

>>714645812 (OP)
I've played phone games with more complex and better designed gameplay than D:OS games, I'll give you that in a market where devs like Owlcat or Bioware exist Larian looks decent in comparison but you really should stop making these garbage threads

>>714661140
Good summary. It's very sterile and cluttered with litter. Game feels like everything happens to entertain the player. Dianeyfication one guy called it.

>larianslop

>>714645812 (OP)
>poorly paced combat
>terrible writing
>boring world
hmm

>>714661535
Good to see Larian still lives rent free in your head almost 5 years later.

>>714661535
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/filename/1598998264140.jpg/
Four years later and you're still butthurt.

>>714648898
i'd be more inclined if Divinity's RNG didn't feel so biased towards the enemies all the time.

>>714662038
>because it's fucking boring. i tried twice to slog through this and fizzled out right after act 2 both times. too much inventory management and too much focus on tunneling through one kind of defense to CC enemies, making combat feel samey. no compelling characters or plots to carry the game despite the flaws.
Based opinion. It's not 100% my experience, but I can agree with that. Especially about story and characters, reading dialogues in DOS2 was physically painful.