It's over.

It's what? Over.

This means that SKG is an actual threat. This is a good thing in my eyes. Even if it never gets passed.

Huh, newfag cancer mods are defending this reddit garbage.

>>714733975 (OP)
>Ukie
Kek
>Esl faceit group
Why would comp fags be against this?

Based mods making >>714734326 seethe

I was surprised that Capcom wasn't there until I remember about pic related which indirectly helps SKG

>>714734501
Based on what?

i hope those companies win lol

what the fuck is stop killing games

>>714733975 (OP)
>To the surprise of no one
What do they mean by that? This isn't even "the usual suspects", this is everyone

>>714733975 (OP)
>season passes
>DRM
>gacha and gambling
>goymers: i sleep
>being able to play a dead game with 4 other retards who still remember it exists
>goymers: LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SKG

meanwhile

>>714734838
Lol is that a fly

>>714733975 (OP)
Are they dumb? Why they forgot about sbi detected group? Openly opposing grassroot movement will only putting target on their back

>>714734838
>season passes
Those haven't been a thing since 2018 my dude. The last big game I remember that had a season pass was Dark Souls 3 and that came out in 2016.

>>714734501
>replying to gook spammer
I shiggy diggy

>>714733975 (OP)
>Not Steam
>Netflix
??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>714735096
>xer fell for the steam bad meme

>>714735096
Steam is not a company.

>>714735096
They're too busy killing games to oppose SKG
I'm sure they'll fix that eventually

>>714733975 (OP)
>Square Enix
I hate this bastard company so much, give the Final Fantasy I.P. to Sandfall, they deserve it for more than SE.

>>714733975 (OP)
>sega
I bet. Fuck those assholes for never removing denuvo.

>>714735096
Steam is a store, bud
The company is Valve

>>714735082
I'm clearly not spamming just chatting with people.

>>714734464
Compfags push for matchmaking bullshit like they did for TF2.
If regular multiplayer games are forced to add community servers or something like that, people are gonna realize that matchmaking making is actually bad.

>>714735096
>Valve isn't on there
>Epic is
Timbros...I thought we were the good guys...

>>714733975 (OP)
>assholes always act like assholes
so true

>>714734692
based. jai hind

>>714735096
>steam
every valve game is already made to function without valve servers, you can still to this day revert cs2 to csgo and play on community servers if you really want to
>netflix
they do have mobile games, never played any but 100% made to milk whales

>>714735610
Exclusives

>>714734658
You had to buy this though, even if you already put money into the live version.

>>714733975 (OP)
>We hate CAPITALISM
>LATE STAGE CAPITALISM
>We need affordable housing
>But not when it benefits us!
>Not when browns have to move in OUR neighborhoods.

>>714735610
you want free games right anon?
be loyal to us
reminder that steam is LITERALLY killing games and Valve betrayed the Artifact fanbase

>>714735886
>Tim is the shartifact schizo
I believe it.

>>714733975 (OP)
I looked into "Games Denmark" and it's the most Jewish, AI generated pile of shit imaginable. It absolutely REEKS of being fake, established just last year with no physical address for the sole purpose of "uniting" indie developers against something they don't understand. It's a lobbyist group within a lobbyist group and it seems to be abusing the voices of a very tiny developer demographic.

It really ought to be police investigated, I'm not sure something presenting itself as a Game Developers Union should be engaging in shit like this.

>>714734838
theres a legal precedent for stop killing games
there isn't one for banning season passes or DRM.
when it comes to gambling there actually are boomers who hate gambling on our side so actually some anti-lootbox laws HAVE passed. thats why you see everyone announce rates for lootboxes now, and they have largely been replaced with the FOMO shop

>>714733975 (OP)
I don't understand why it's such a controversial thing. People want to play what they pay for. Why does this make AAA gaming devs dilate so badly? It's not like they can't afford it.

>>714735792
I'm aware, but it is proof that you can preserve a live service game as well as make it playable without a server.

https://www.videogameseurope.eu/about/our-membership/
This is just a list of everyone in the lobby. It says nothing about which members are ACTUALLY campaigning against the petition. What is this retard talking about

>>714734658
I'm more surprised to not see Konami listed.

>>714736635
They're probably supporting it but said "don't mention us or use our logo or you're dead"

>>714734464
Those are all the companies associated with the lobbying group. The lobbying group is for many things and existed before SKG.

>>714735846
Brownoids make housing more expensive.

>>714736413
Because they want to be able to shut a game down so they can charge you money for it again later. They can't do that if you're still playing it from the first time you bought it. It's 100% a scam and in a civilized world the heads of all of these companies would be round up and, at the very least, have their hands cut off because they're thieves on a global scale.

>>714736104
I appreciate your sleuthing anon.

>>714735886
>took Epic's ONLY good game off the market permanently
>even his own store doesn't sell it
Fuck off, Timmy.

>>714734658
How deep is Capcom in the live service stuff anyway?
Other than that Megaman gacha that died I only know that MH Pokemon go like game
I guess there's that RE gacha(?) that just got announced recently

>>714734841
B A S E D. What a person does with a game after they purchase it is no business of anybody else, so long as it doesn't effect the gameplay experience of anyone else. If someone wants to mod their single player game to have naked women with milkable titties that's their right to do so.

>>714736546
The lobby is ACTUALLY campaigning against the petition. Therefore by extension every member is ACTUALLY campaigning against the petition.

>>714733975 (OP)
>ESL FACE IT GROUP
These must be the people forcing pajeets everywhere so we all have to face the esl.

>>714733975 (OP)
TOTAL
VIDEOGAME
INDUSTRY
DEATH

>>714734978
Not really. Dramatubers are showing how very little game development knowledge they have and it really shows. The only thing they are going to clarify is that they are more of a service like a subscription like how instead of owning games they are now saying you own a license. Different name; same result. Nothing changes because it's unreasonable to force every company to perpetually support their unprofitable games. Some games can't be turned offline like Knockout City and some gachas but the more complex things like MMO are much harder to support as easily. Infrastructure, IP rights, not wanting to give away their own engine built games, not making easier for cheaters to cheat, etc. It's a much more multi-faceted topic but people's ideas are so simplistic it sounds like a kid asking for world peace from Santa and having him figure it out himself.

I think the biggest problem with the movement is the huge knowledge gap between the two parties. If you can get one person from both sides to argue their positions I think people will have a better understanding once they debate. This probably won't happen because Ross would be outclassed by an actual developer with work experience and knowledge of cost and time to deliver what he is asking and the pitfalls of what he's suggesting. If he is as smart as the voters that did the last spurt of SKG votes, then he'd be humiliated hard live on TV.

>>714737131
This lobby existed decades before the petition and only certain members of the lobby have come out against the petition. Who is related by extension is irrelevant

>>714737000
They can't shove Family Guy and Star Wars into it so it's dead to them

>>714737646
Sure, fine, but what reason is there to outright remove it? Genuine question, there's zero benefit.

>>714737494
Hamachi

>>714733975 (OP)
Not into politics but why are unelected multimillion dollar companies allowed to just combine and "lobby" against the peoples interest like that in a democracy

>>714737203
e-sports league I think

>>714737494
No game with a single player element should ever have an always online requirement for it to be playable, and multiplayer online games should be legally required to have the option of player hosted servers. If you buy a game there's no reason for it to ever be randomly shut down by the developers and rendered unplayable. Games like Runescape and WoW are a different story because they've always presented themselves as a subscription service that you only have access to so long as you continue to pay the subscription fee, which pays to keep the game running. The Crew, on the other hand, should never have been able to be rendered completely unplayable.

>>714736413
Publishers hate the
>"Oh I'll just wait 6-12 months for a sale/patches and play (your other game I already own or can get for very cheap) until then"
people more than you could possibly comprehend.
There's no better way to make a market interested in your new game than take other options away when you feel you need to. And if game access is seen as that fleeting, FOMO will drive early sales even harder.
An easier to control and predict market.

>>714737542
How long the lobby has existed is irrelevant. If they release a statement, every member effectively signs under it.

>>714737839
stop asking questions, chud incel virgin

>>714735530
faceit runs on community hosted servers retardbwo

>>714733975 (OP)
it's really revealing to see the wheels of power turning in real time. they are unwilling to cede any ground that would benefit an average person who wants to support the game industry while maintaining some reasonable amount of the ownership rights they had with physical media. these are exactly the kinds of questions the law exists to settle....what is a fair balance between the reality of new technologies and the rights of the customer?
the position of the corporations is clear-- customers basically make a voluntary donation to publishers in exchange for the privilege of accessing content for however long the publisher deems reasonable. they want to muddy the waters until the idea of actually owning something seems absurd. they can't lose here because a rising consciousness could derail their plans to construct a vr/ar corporate hellscape over the next decade or so

>>714733975 (OP)
I'm not afraid to admit that I don't know/care about this company and NEVER heard of those brands except Nintendo

>>714737839
go back to sucking dicks on reddit

>>714733975 (OP)
Question is can they/will they shift the narrative sufficiently

>>714736635
They dont make videogames

>>714737839
Democracy is for rich people. Not you.

>>714739416
All politics are gay

>>714733975 (OP)
the SKG bandwagon crowd is in for an extremely rude awakening if any actual legislation is passed as a result of their autism, indie devs just won't release anything in the EU anymore, it would be a net loss, AAA publishers most likely will release neutered versions of games that have no online functionality and can exist as a tidy single player experience forever so they won't have to worry about anything

>>714733975 (OP)
Game journalists are turning this into another Gamergate and I'm afraid it's actually working. Look how they're making Asmongold and Pewdiepie the face of the movement and warning people about Pirate Software's harassment campaign.

>>714741126
>Many developers are now urging #StopKillingGames organizers to take a firmer stance against hate groups and clarify the movement’s values. “Preservation without protection is meaningless,” said Aviv Salinas, co-creator of Blood Nova. “We need to preserve games and the people who make them.”
>As the campaign approaches legislative milestones, its ability to remain inclusive and principled will determine whether it becomes a force for good or another flashpoint in gaming’s long-running culture wars.
That article is a load of fucking sjw sludge.
They're really playing dirty now, how the fuck do we stop them?

>>714740879
Imagine actually believing this.

>>714739367
>

>>714741298
Nobody in the real world actually cares about protecting feelies anymore. They've already squeezed that fruit for all its juice.

>>714741126
The things I want to say about journalists is likely a criminal offense so I won't. But I'm sure the sentiment gets across.

>>714737839
because there is no actual democratic country, the democratic process only elects officials, and those people can be bought and influenced like any other

if you support SKG, you're a tranny redditor
if you don't support SKG, you're a corpo jew shill
pick your side

>>714741502
Easy choice, do not support SKG and just stick to voting with your fucking wallet. We don't need any more regulations and government overreach

>>714734998
WWE 2K25 has a season pass
Borderlands 3 has 2 season passes
Borderlands 4 is selling a season pass

>>714741564
nope government is curb stomp you faggot

>>714733975 (OP)
Is this legit?

>>714733975 (OP)
No, it's just beginning

>>714737839
careful buddy, wouldn’t want to sound like a commie, would we?

>>714741960
holy esl

>>714734841
Nice, very coo-
>Adds denuvo anti-tamper

>>714733975 (OP)
But Faceit are basically community servers, I don't get it.

>>714737839
Lobbies are unions for corporations (it's okay when they do it though)

>>714733975 (OP)
The people against the petition actually make games and the people for the petition are solo "indie" devs who live in their mom's basement and watch Unity youtube tutorials.

>>714741126
>Asmongold
>Pirate Software
Even though he fully supports SKG, Asmongold is a fervent Pirate Software apologist and oftentimes defender.

>>714744180
That's how things should be, streamers just treating each other with respect despite differences in opinion.
But take one look in any of the threads here on /v/ and you'll see a lot of fucking harassment targeting PirateSoftware.

>>714734838
>game support ends
>all content is now available
thanks for beta testing

>>714737494
Lying faggot, the initiative isn't asking for perpetual support. It's asking for it to be handed over to the public for things like private servers when official support closes.

>>714737494
welcome to the thread, pirate software. kill yourself.

>>714737839
That's anti-semitic

>>714736635
their slot machines aren't live service based, it seems.

>>714745168
so the petition is about stealing content.
got it.

>that copyrighted content from a 3rd party you got there
>GIVE IT TO ME FOR FREE
fuck off, thief

>no source

>>714744595
>rich people scratching each other's backs is how things should be!

>>714745416
>just give me your server farm
t. commie

>>714733975 (OP)
my first reaction to seeing all those companies was “oh shit” lmao look what some random guy in the internet stirred up. can’t wait to stomp on all these ghouls

>>714733975 (OP)
the craziest thing is that, as game devs, they can literally just keep making games and not lose any money. Look at call of duty, fifa, forza, whatever yearly slop - people move on whether the servers are on or off. This is just dumb.

>>714734702
There's a lot of misinformation in this thread because of course, but the real summary is:
>When developers no longer want to support an online-only game, they can just shut it down, offer zero refunds, and prevent you from doing anything to continue using the good you paid for
>Instead, they should either declare the EoS date before the game's launch, or offer a way to let players continue playing the game after EoS

You don't have to take anyone's word for it, you can just google it and there's a web page that tells you this and answers all your questions.

>>714737839
>>714743569
It IS OK, however; due to lobbying in the current system most often requiring capital, disenfranchised people(/regular people) can't lobby to the same extent as corporations leading to an imbalance. This is exactly what fascism tried to solve, by incorporating unions and lobby groups into a legal framework making them official, and mashing them together so the previously mentioned imbalance wouldn't occur (at least in theory). Instead of this current system with nebulous lobby groups acting in the shadows.
Nordics have fascism-lite with unions and industry associations negotiating wages, thus having no need for minimum wage.

>>714733975 (OP)
Look at all those poor indie devs that can barely afford food and makes games out sheer passion of their hearts. :( Think of the indies!!!

Source for any of this "lobbying" aka bribery? This shit is just a petition to make a case in EU. I don't think any of these companies besides Ubisoft have said a thing about it.

What companies are pro or at least indifferent to SKG? GOG?

>>714745982
It's really hard when indies have to make end of life plans for their always online games. It just completely destroyed Shovel Knight, Binding of Isaac, Noita, Cave Story, and Undertale

>>714735096
>Steam
They have no shareholders breathing down their back forcing them to make a kick buck at the detriment of their userbase. They're already making so much money with so little effort to begin with that they'll outlive every other company in that pic. It doesn't concern them in the slightest

>>714737839
because you don't live in a Democracy, you live in a Oligarchy where rich fags/corporations influence and control almost everything
>>714741564
that's right retard, that worked really well from 2007 (dlc armor) to modern state of dlc's

How hard is Thor malding over the 1.2 million signatures?

>>714745983
>https://www.videogameseurope.eu/news/statement-on-stop-killing-games/
>https://www.videogameseurope.eu/about/our-membership/
>>714746015
GOG yeah (they couldn't fully market SKG though due to budget cuts, but they are pro)
Indies, Ultrakill, Peripeteia and Postal devs all pro SKG (+many more)

>>714744106
I thought the petition was going to kill small indie developers anon, which one is it

>>714746157
If anything Steam is the one losing out because they don't get that juicy 30% from game subscriptions and are the ones that actually have to refund people.

>>714746159
Retarded gamers who can't control themselves deserve to get their money taken away from them.

>>714746272
Thor's problem is being way too autistic to acknowledge that as a streamer he is not supposed to say the truth.
Look at Charlie. That cunt is 100% aware that SKG is a fucking joke, but he still supports them in a hilariously dishonest tone because he knows if he says anything negative about it he will be eaten alive by his own fanbase.
At any rate, the fact that this entire movement is carried by e-celeb drama is already disgusting enough. But the fact it is being carried by disingenuous e-celebs that don't even really believe in the movement is the cherry on the cake.

>>714744595
Is it really harassment if you're just saying he had a shit take and decided to double and triple down on it instead of conceding that he was wrong. I'm not going to his twitter account to insult him, I'm not review bombing his shit game, I'm not sending death threats to him, just saying he was wrong and dumb. That's not harassment that's an opinion

again, still waiting on OP's source on "companies who lobbied"

>>714733975 (OP)
snoy dalit thread and op
reporting to bharat.com sir for insalting nintendia

>>714746484
His games got negative review bombed, doxxed, he got swatted, people keep trying to dunk on him in the comments. If this isn't a harassment campaign, I don't know what is...

>>714746543
READ NIGGA READ>>714746279

>le harassment is le bad when it's le against my side

>>714746364
Yeah all the retarded boomers who gave a single dollar to ActiBlizz, EA, Riot, Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, Epic, Sega, Squeenix, Ubisoft, deserved this

>>714745772
>Look at call of duty, fifa, forza, whatever yearly slop - people move on whether the servers are on or off. This is just dumb.
That is what this whole anti-SKG thing is about. Not theft, lost of assets or tiny indie devs not being able to support this or whatever the fuck. It's about keeping planned obsolescence to force people into buying and playing the newest game each time. For games like fifa it's their whole lifeblood.

Just look at civ for example. The last civ was so atrociously terrible that both civ 6 and 5 have more players than it. Last time I checked 6 had 3 times 7's players on its own. People would rather play those than buy 7. These previous better games are taking profit away from fireaxis. If they weren't accessible anymore people would be forced into buying 7 is they want to play civ

>>714746657
retards conflating unrelated shit, got it

>>714746874
Is Civ 6 any good? Was like 95% off.

>>714746883
you are retarded and brown

>>714746420
>>714746606
all ecelebs must be banned from the internet for life

>>714746919
It's decent. Like 6 or 7 out of 10, has some flaws but you'll have fun for sure if you like this sort of stuff.

>>714733975 (OP)
Nintenbros our response???

>>714733975 (OP)
This whole thing is retarded, wanting companies to host game servers forever is obviously absurd and impossible

How fucking hard is it to change the term "buy" into "rent" if your game is gonna go offline and become unplayable?

>>714747104
Good thing that's not what the movement is about

>>714747185
It's not hard at all. There's actually a million little things they could do that would cost them nothing to implement, not affect sales, and not screw over customers.
But,
shareholders

>>714746950
wouldn't surprise me if that's how your thought process goes
meanwhile in reality only ubishit is making a claim against SKG

>>714733975 (OP)
>lobbied against
So... what the fuck have they even done yet? Does this faggot provide any actual source that explains what these companies have actually done? Or is he just talking out of his ass?

>>714733975 (OP)
>even uncle Timmy is lobbying against stop killing games
wtf epicbros, i thought Tim was on the side of consumer's rights
isnt that why he's sued apple and valve for illegal monopolies?

>>714747185
But then that might scare away some people from renting your game. Buying a game is much more alluring than renting it

>>714747078
that it's a literal gamer who likes baseless conjecture

>>714746883
RETARD

>>714737839
Because, good or bad, corporations and the people that run them have the same rights you do.
They mostly just have a bit extra push because million/billion dollar companies producing a fuckload of money for the economy is a lot more valuable than a bunch of wagies and indie devs.

>>714741126
In case anyone wants a rundown:
>Gamergate does well for a while, cutting off ad revenue, spooking some medium/large-size reviewers into adding disclaimers about what connections they have with the dev/publisher of said games
>finally puts a spotlight on some reviewers getting free getaways to special events, free games, free DLC, ad revenue, free merch, early access to new games (usually without a review embargo) and such as obvious bribes
>media spins GG damn near CONSTANTLY the second GG gets a foothold, always making it about anti-women, anti-black shit like that, not one single mention of what GG is for, instead just interviewing random women
>media pushes this SO hard that even some 4chan anons are gaslit into believing it, some still do, despite GG originating here (and leaving when they got too big)
>takes it further by constantly crowning some random dudes as "kings" or "leaders" of GG (that Hotwheels interview was funny, you could see the reporter visibly deflate seeing a midget in a wheelchair instead of some tatted-out guy they can slap on all their reports), despite GG having no leader
>the "kings" and "leaders" interviewed were often randos with a big ego, and not usually great people
>all this gaslighting and lying shit works so well that Google does something they don't do too often and outright blacklists 4+(2*3)-2 chan from everything they have access to, including Google searches
>now GG is fact-checked "completely true" as a bunch of all-white, all-male, all-virgin gamer nerd Nazis and sometimes used as a scapegoat as if to say "fuck you, what are you gonna do about it, huh?" to people that want to combat corruption in vidya reviews

>>714747318
>this lobbying group that represents all these companies doesn't represent all these companies
you are retarded
>>714747494
retard >>714746279

>>714737839
Democracy isn't real and all cultures enforce might makes right. In america, it's money. Money is used to hire thugs or silence people with assassinations.

>>714746279
>>714746657
what is that supposed to prove, you dumb ape?
here is a page i also pulled out of my ass that totally describes your state of mind:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_disability

>>714741126
Asmon is a paid shill and I don't doubt he will sink SKG by doing this. He is paid opposition.

>>714747932
>bit extra push

Wouldn't corpos make games cost more since they'll use SKG tax if SKG wins?

>>714748071
>what is that supposed to prove
that all those companies are lobbying against skg.
why is this so hard for you to accept? let me guess, you are a pajeet who worships bill gates and tim sweeney as minor deities

>>714748219
Corpos do not need an excuse to raise prices.

>>714747932
While not really latching onto an SJW narrative, this is exactly what the media did to OWS and now barely anyone remembers it

>>714734838
Hasn't the EU also tried to curb the gacha shit?

>>714748352
It'll work because OWS, gamergate, tranny obsession are all originated from culture wars to take eyes off of real issues. The rich can always win because the average person is a retard who cares more about what makes them mad or look cool than what is what's best for them.

It goes beyond OWS, because they did this shit in the 80s. It's a long-standing strategy that is flawless in american society. Westerners cannot help but fall for it. It's like a flaw in the human brain.

>>714746279
Bro you think Roblox gives ONE fuck about this initiative? This is like saying Geoff personally agrees with anything any of the 100+ websites that vote on his game awards cause he has them on a big page.

>>714733975 (OP)
The shit list. They're scared.

>>714733975 (OP)
If nintendo is against it then I'm against it

>>714733975 (OP)
Why are amerijewish companies allowed to lobby and influence the EU?

>>714748528
Gamergate wasn't some conspiracy, the reaction to it was.
>grows organically from a shared hate for how often devs/publishers just get away with literally/figuratively bribing reviewers
>grass roots the whole time, no "leader", no funding, no IRL protests, no crowdfunding, just a bunch of anons emailing advertisers and posting Vivian James a lot on 4chan / some no-name 4chan alt site
>gets popular enough to start to get people to say "wait a second, that IS bullshit, how is this legal?"
>mass media latches onto it like a hawk and eats it alive
>treats it like it's some actual no-joke terrorist cell sometimes
>brute-forces it to death with so much shit GG has no chance and reducing any GG defense to 3-second soundbites they can misuse

Same with OWS.
>grows organically from a shared hate of the 1%/"1%"
>gets popular enough to start getting actual events large enough that people notice and say "yeah, fuck the 1%!" and/or "hey guys, check the Early Life section *winkwink*"
>mass media quickly starts to downplay coverage of OWS protests/events
>most of the big-dog corporations double down on Pride stuff, sponsoring their own Pride events and so on
>mass media covers the big rainbow Goldman-Sachs floats and Key Bank sponsored parades the second they get announced
>the LGBT half of OWS backs off to avoid "friendly fire" with an "ally"
>the other half of OWS fades away

Also, I know the mad dash to support, embrace, convert, fund, and elevate trans people is artificial as fuck, so I wouldn't be that surprised if it was a distraction from something.
Then again, I had a theory once that the whole thing was just a ruse to get more people to transition for the sole purpose of funding the medical industry, since trans people are kept in a stranglehold of pills, injections, therapists and surgeries for literally the rest of their lives, however short or long that may be.
I mean hell, the US military was funding gender transitions for a while, like damn.

>>714747961
no they aren't, that's like claiming every country in the UN are part of decisionmaking in the UN rather than just token membership
see >>714749668

>>714733975 (OP)
>Nintendo
of course

>>714733975 (OP)
which of these are Chinese?

>>714737839
Because there never was a democracy.
There is them, the rich investors and CEOs with billions of dollars.
and then there is you, the sheep class, their servants.
They can't have you kvetching and rising up against their practices which are making them money over fist.
They literally do not care about you, the consumer. they only care about endless growth and wealth and power.
they don't consider video games as art or a mastery craft worth preserving in any way. it never enters their minds.

>>714750113
That's commie talk! Our corporate overlords are benevolent heroes of capitalism and freedom!

>thread unironically making it sound like the wokeys are canceling SKG

>>714750045
Apparently not one. Good amount of Japanese companies though.

>>714750273
they haven't yet, but watch in the coming days or literally "2 more weeks".
They will all release hitpieces at the same time on the same day. Its their playbook.

>>714747961
LOL that's your fucking source for this? OP's twitter shitter is a mislead piece of garbage then. You're making it sound like these companies are personally taking action against it.

>>714734702
The idea that companies that charge you for a game can't just brick your copy because they don't want to deal with it anymore or because they want you to buy the next version.
Under the proposed law they would have to provide an offline client, turn DRM off or give you some sort of server emulator at the end of a game's lifespan.

>>714735182
>>714735436
>uhm actually
It's not like Valve is on there either, retards.

>>714750478
anon they're literally the ones spreading SKG

>>714749943
What the fuck do you mean, "of course"? They don't even make games this would apply to except for maybe like their mobile shit

>>714735886
Both versions of Artifact are still playable. Valve is good about game preservation, when compared to other companies of their size.

>>714750654
and ironically, the one game they canceled with much content ended up having an offline version
so yeah, it's just a random "sponsors" list with no thought

>>714750638
>uhm actually
yes

Why the fuck is Sega even on there

>>714736546
>if only our dear leader would have known what his people are doing
Yeah, right.

>>714747185
About as hard as convincing a judge that you aren't a murder, because you didn't kill, you "laid the victim eternally to rest". Judge won't give a fuck.

>>714750689
was the artifact fanbase schizo spam so long ago that people these days don't recognize it anymore

B-but Tim promised us he was doing everything for the gamers. Why would he betray us now?

>>714733975 (OP)
>misleading bullshit
Are you guys TRYING to be as unlikable as possible?

>>714748219
Corpos would charge $500 per game right now if they thought they could get away with it. The correct price is the highest price that the most people are willing to pay.
That's why games stuck at $60 for so long and that's also why they are sometimes sold for as low as $1 and why it's not clear if the $70-$80 experiment is working.

>>714750651
That can't be true. Because leftist is the evil people doing the evil things. And SKG is a good thing.

>>714738315
anon that's not how it works
that's like saying every country in the UN agrees on whatever UN is doing

>>714750910
Yeah, no way you could blame the poor billionaire for the lobbying group he's financing. Poor rich people are just trying to keep control of the government. Plebs aren't supposed to be involved in this process.

>>714750910
yeah I have a feeling this is some falseflag operation

>>714751046
I hope you realize how fucking retarded you sound

>>714750961
Isn't there a study that zoomers aren't buying games en masse?

>>714750910
Which part is misleading exactly?

>>714750987
this place called occupy wall street, a protest against the rich, a woke movement

>>714743110
It is probably not up to them

>>714751257
then he can't say that the game belongs to the user either

>>714751170
why is is sega there

>>714733975 (OP)
>lobbying against stop killing games
Aren’t the directors of these companies a little too old for video games?
They need to grow up and let the kids have their toys

>>714751397
Because they're part of the lobby.

>>714746157
>no shareholders
>and they are still already this anti-consumer
wow, just wow

>>714737494
>perpetually support
If the only arguments you have are lies, you have lost.

>>714751467
what is the lobby
what does the lobby want
why is sega part of the lobby

>>714751572
Damn if only that information was readily available if you read the thread.

>>714743110
the meta for companies is to only have denuvo for like a year.
it costs them to keep it on.

Genuinely what does Stop Killing Games expect Nintendo to do about Splatoon? Or does it not apply since it technically has a singleplayer.

>>714751636
it's not that's why i'm asking
also, when did those companies apply to join the lobby club

>>714751723
>it's not
>is

>>714733975 (OP)
>no Valve
wtf Gaben is based????

>>714733975 (OP)
I will support SKG even harder now than I previously thought possible.

Tendie bros...

>>714751706
Under the purest application of SKG principles, a game's multiplayer aspect should be preserved as well. Nintendo could, for example, allow users to download server files and run them from their home PCs, then patch the game at EoL to allow for connecting to those private hosts rather than the Nintendo Online platform. Or may patch in some kind of P2P function.

>>714751706
Let's say Nintendo turned off the server for it. Can you still access the single player?

>>714751397
>>714751572
S-Shut up !!

>>714751848
>>714751850
the games are peer to peer

>>714733975 (OP)
Honestly though, what's your excuse for supporting any of them

>>714741126
>Asmongold and Pewdiepie
I wonder how he feels being pictured as an equal to the man who sleeps with roaches

>>714751916
Cool. I've never played it. Then in that case, they just need to release a final patch that bypasses any Nintendo Online matchmaking bullshit.

>>714750910
>misleading
Did you not see their letter to the EU parliament?

>>714751914
???

>>714733975 (OP)
>9/10 square enix games are singleplayer
>they still oppose skg
huh??????????????

If they just stopped making multiplayer slop that flops after 3 months they wouldn't be affected by it at all and even ten they can just not release it in EU if they want to burn money so bad

>>714752183
FF14 is the only thing that makes them any money, my guy.

>>714752265
Good thing SKG doesn't force already existing games to stay online because it already expected some of already running services would be impossible to change

Also Yoshida himself wanted to make FF14 offline version anyway LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>714752005
what letter?

>>714733975 (OP)
>so Mr Publisher if you claim your videogame is a ''service'' why are you advertising it as a full product?
>all services have a clear end date, why are you being so vaugue about this subject
>why do you label it as ''buying'' when its obviously renting
this is why the industry is shitting itself
and it wont just stop at videogames, this will open a can of worms every IP holder has been dreading since the start of the digital age, the discussion on what makes a ''service'' and what makes a ''product''
they have been skewing a thin line on this subject for decades now reaping the benefits of both while screwing over the customer with all the negatives.
If this gets resolved in SKG's favor, soon it will spill over to movies, music, hell every so called service today

>>714752360
Yeah, lucky for them, because their micropay cosmetics are some of the most retarded shit I've ever seen.

>>714752463
Damn you really are retarded.

>>714736635
Konami is very transparent about being a company that makes gambling machines unlike the rest of the industry

>>714752484
I HAVE TO MAKE THE MOVIE

>>714752484
It's not a can of worms at all. Complying with SKG is not only trivial, it used to be the fucking norm. I can still play every single pre-2000s game both online and off.

They will lose zero sales and arguably have even less work on their plate because it takes more effort to make games online-only than not.

>>714745671
>for free
you wouldn't be giving the game's devs any money anyway because the game would be dead

>>714734464
OP's image is worded in a misleading way. A single lobbying group put out a statement against it. These are the members of the lobbying group. They're still ultimately responsible for what the group does, but its not like they agree and sign off on every action.

>>714734702

>>714748519
Nope, I still see it all the time. Online casinos are also pretty bad in Sweden

>>714733975 (OP)
how is it lobbying to just cut a service that doesn't make them money? they invested in this, they only rented it to you afterward. In what stupid legal system would the state and law force a company to run something they can't afford? Especially when the studio don't even exist anymore?

>>714753227
They are a lobby body you fucking retard.

>>714753227
>In what stupid legal system would the state and law force a company to run something they can't afford?
No one is asking companies to run anything at all.

>>714752183
>>714750654
It doesn't matter if a company has not been involved with a planned obsolescence model before or presently, what matters is if anyone part of it has been discussing that behind closed doors at boardrooms, conventions, ceremonies or wherever, what matters is if they convinced the rest to agree or follow along but keep otherwise silent unless they need to pre-emptively oppose anything that would impede unknown pending efforts or potential opportunities.

I'll put it to you with this absurd analogy. Every serial killer was innocent before their first murder. So, it would be technically wrong to have them arrested before that. But, aside from those where it was a crime of passion on the spot, before most of them committed their first homicide they likely took steps towards it happening successfully and getting away with it to do more or there would be no murders.

Now, imagine going back in time and trying to warn their first victim about their fate so they can avoid it or defend themselves at least, but they don't believe you, so you point to the strange behavior of the culprit and they say
>Huh? They've never done anything bad before so purchasing cleaning supplies, Lyme, large durable garbage bags, a bonesaw, and a windowless van they're seemingly monitoring my daily routine from could be for any number of things. There's no proof of ill will.

There is no benefit to being that naive. You don't see farmers letting the young of predators waltz onto their property on the grounds
>Well, they haven't done any harm so far!
They build fences, and they blast anything that crosses that fence whether it's just curious or taking a shortcut or threatening their livestock.

>>714741126
>bastion of journalism Dexerto
Are there any other examples?

>>714752484
I have no favorite game anymore and I live in an apartment. I am immune to your magicks

>>714733975 (OP)
>It's over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g02QU-xPV1I

>>714749851
I mean the impetus for Gamergate was accusing a female indie dev of sleeping with 5 journalists for coverage.

Why Netflix?

They messed with gamers

>>714754634
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netflix#Netflix_Games

>>714734658
probably using an alt name like how video games poland are a coalition of microsoft, playstation uk, and bandai

>>714735096
>>Netflix
Netflix is one of the absolute worst offenders on that list. They have an entire lineup of games that can ONLY be played if you have a Netflix subscription, most of which are exclusive ports or entirely new games, and they constantly delist them.

>>714733975 (OP)
>lobbyist group in the EU
>full of Amerigolem and Jewpan companies
>not CD Projekt, Gaijin, Crytek, Larian, Paradox, Moon Studios, Hazelight, Remedy, ZA/UM, Warhorse or any actual European gamedevs, besides fucking Ubisoft
Colour me fucking shocked.

>>714752005
>>714752506
>doesn't post a letter
I bet you'll just make a circular post and link it back to their post

>>714754263
I support SKG and your retarded, garbage analogy wouldn't sway me otherwise.

>>714733975 (OP)
>basically everybody except valve despite most of the popular games being online titles and them working on another one
One more reason to fund this man's next yacht.

>>714733975 (OP)
The final bosses of vidya

>>714733975 (OP)
>nintendo barely even makes any games that would be impacted by this
>is of course still on there just because they're nintendo
Gradually, I grew to hate them.

>>714755286
MY LIFE IS LIKE A VIDEO GAME

>>714755195
That fat scum is still not giving server tools to keep the online games alive after pulling the plug

>>714750654
>What the fuck do you mean, "of course"?
He means Nintendo is evil, so of course they're on there

>>714753227
It's not asking companies to keep online games going forever, it's about allowing people to continue to have access to the game when the company ends all support for it. Best examples are access to info to make private servers or patch a game to allow offline play.

>>714733975 (OP)
>People want to regulate corpos
>Corpos don't want to be regulated
Oh no, big fucking surprise! Next you're telling me AI companies would come out against regulations revolving around AI.

>>714751706
Literally all Nintendo would have to do is let players do their own matchmaking. All their online is p2p and they still shut it down like assholes so they can continue to force the sale of the next game.

>>714734998
Fighting games still use them. Battlepasses are basically the same thing because very few put anything worthwhile in the free track.

>>714755713
>so they can continue to force the sale of the next game.
And charge for online, of course.

>>714745671
You paid for early access not the game itself. Should have read that EULA. :^)

>>714755174
>I support SKG
As does the analogy.
SKG is the preventive fence. In an ideal world once a predatory company crossed it the hunting rifle would be the law cutting that short so your property remains yours.

But realistically with how law is applied, which customers have that gun or the right to use it in select situations would vary. Regardless, very few predators test which human property they can fuck around on freely once they learn one mistake can be fatal.

Ross Scott talked about how potent one case becoming an example can be in law. If SKG has any impact anywhere it would bolster the threat everywhere else if a legal team can't argue against why a verdict in favor of protecting consumers was valid. Which would just be PR poison even if they pulled it off.

>>714745957
Australia should be dark green now

why does picrel fills zoomers with existential dread? is this going to become new horror genre?

>>714749668
>>714749870
>>714750548
you are literally 2IQ
this is the lobby group that will be in the negotiation table with the skg representatives and EU. the lobby is literally the industry (the companies in question) funding it to further their interests. the lobby represents the collective will of the industry(the companies in question).
tldr
>you are a dumb nigger you are the blackest retard gorilla nigger I've ever seen

>>714733975 (OP)
TSA isn't in the list
Gigabased

>>714755076
What I want to know is why the fuck these cunts are allowed to lobby against this when I couldn't even vote. Total horseshit.

>>714734838
So you are saying because things are bad we shouldnt improve anything? Are you american you fucking retard

>>714734658
its unbelievable to see capcom be based about anything since they are so shit

>>714733975 (OP)
>Nintendo
YOU WILL unlost the Dragalia, you slant-eyed cunts.

>>714755995
There is no list, it's just fake and gay

>>714754263
I see that you own bleach and and a knife in your house. Seems sensible to lock you up for murder.

>>714756070
Why are you lying about something that a simple Google search shows to be true?

>>714756219
Because OP posted it and OP is always fake and gay
circular reporting is always a thing anon

>>714755382
anon it's on the "list" because it's a general group

>>714755076
it gets even worse;
1. the nominally european companies (embracer, supercell, ubisoft) are not even european owned, they are owned by china and saudis
2. the "national" trade associations just consist of the local branches of the same non-european companies like microsoft nintendo etc. etc.
they are literally counting themselves twice in that list but obfuscate it
there's literally nothing european about this lobby group it's fucked up.

>>714754829
Netflix games are all mobile trash. Nobody with a brain gives a shit about their game section.

>>714733975 (OP)
>Nintendo fighting against it
>They dont even make games that are always online
>You can always play their games local and the DLC you own doesnt require online authentication

lmao fucking retards. that last one might've changed maybe but iam pretty sure Nintendo might be overreacting a little. the surprising thing here is not seeing Capcoms name on this list.

>>714755762
>>714755713
In spite of all that, they're the only ones where you can download old games despite the service being down.

>>714756047
>he still thinks it's nintendo and not shitgames

>>714756504
And yet they're on there, trying to shut this down. Wonder why.

>>714756497
anon this group is old as fuck and their name being there is just gesture. it's the equivalent of the krusty line of "i endorse this event and/or product"

>>714756504
>they're the only ones where you can download old games despite the service being down
You say 'only' here, like they're some exception, but why'd they take the service down to begin with?

>>714756729
no that's the point
even when they're "shut down" you can still download them

>>714756047
They won't even if it gets approved it doesn't require already running or dead games to change, it's just about changing game development in the future

>>714735610
Epicjeets don't know about enshittification, they think if they push for Epic to become the dominant store on PC they'll get free games forever and ever. The truth is as soon as they get their foot in the door the service will degrade because Timmy has people breathing down his neck.

>>714756815
see >>714756854
also
>why are keep service online on something no one is using

>>714756047
you lost
the game died because it ddn't pander to actual dragonfuckers

>>714737063
SF6 has a FOMO battle pass system, plus the whole Switch 2 keycard controversy

>>714756942
>on something no one is using
It's an online service. They could just put it on the new system. They didn't, because they wanted people to pay into paid online and rentals that they can remove or shut down at any time.

>>714756452
A general group of assholes.

>>714756047
I wish CyGames would just make a non-gacha sequel to this. This was unironically the most fun co-op action RPG I ever played.

>>714733975 (OP)
>Video Games Poland
Who? Then why is it in English?

>>714757079
anon the Wii U and 3DS owners can't access NSO and neither have games that interact

>>714757195
Why did the switch, or the switch 2 for that matter, not have the virtual console?

>>714734464
ESL/Faceit is owned by the Saudi Government. They aren't some small group that just hosts tournaments/servers.

>>714757252
it does
>muh NSO
you pay for games in the old one too

>>714733975 (OP)
>It's over.
It hasn't even begun yet, dumb american.

The louder companies cry the harder EU dick gets as it prepares to rape them.

>>714737494
I am worried because the people who will be there are concerned citizens and not people qualified to be there. I genuinely thought there are actual competent people behind this and not random people. Its scary when Ross seems to be the one with the most experience talking.

>>714734658
How is this anyways? It was vaguely on my radar a few months ago but I never actually looked into it.

>>714735886
Wow I didnt know Mr.Robot was in charge of Epic.

>>714755076
Warhorse is part of Embracer
Still, doubt they actually support it. Embracer owns so many companies, but it's going to be like 5 suits at the top dragging them all on to one side of the argument.

>>714733975 (OP)
>Video Games Poland
>Stowarzyszenie Producentów i Dystrybutorów Oprogramowania Rozrywkowego
>sPIDOR

>>714734658
sadly i don't care about megaman but this is incredibly based, there are countless dead gachas i wish there was an offline version of

>>714737063
Here's an interesting one, the two multiplayer games included with 3 remake and 8

Re:verse (the one bundled with 8) is now shutting down servers because its a dead game, but considering it was a freebie bundled with another game does it fall under SKG territory?

>>714733975 (OP)
>Woketendo
but... chudtendies told them Nintendo is so heckin' based and wholesome against the evil woke snoy...

>>714733975 (OP)
>nintendo
but I thought they were the good guys?

>>714751572
>>714752463
So you call it misleading while not even knowing what we're talking about. Based retard.

>>714733975 (OP)
>Ross is going to get suicided if he doesn't back down
Grim

>>714733975 (OP)
useful boycott list

who ISN'T on there?

>>714737839
I'd vote for a king to start chopping these people's heads off in a heartbeat

>>714758173
if hes going against Nintendo he should check his car brakes regularly, would be a shame if the same happened to him as Gunpei Yokoi
total coincidence

>>714752484
I HAVE TO MAKE THE MOVIE

Remember to never buy again a game from these companies.

>>714733975 (OP)
Square? Why? You were based at one point

>>714754573
not accusing, she and the journalists in question admitted to it

>>714736635
Konami doesn't give a shit, they are too busy making pachinko machines to make Japanese young adults gambling addicts.

>>714757195
Pretty sure you can use custom servers for that like I did to get pokemon trades working on Platinum last year

>>714758472
>Car crashes
>Nintendo of Europe high fiving each other
>They are sleeping in their beds at night
>A mold seeps into their window and grows rapidly
>It hunches over them and before they have time to scream, it pounces uttering only a singular phrase
>NO! THAT'S NOT HOW ANY OF THIS WORKS! IT'S ALL WRONG! IT'S. ALL. WRONG.

>>714755076
Warhose is filled with people fighting the woke tide even if under Embracer, despite what kike glowniggers from /pol might tell you.

>>714733975 (OP)
Lobying is anti democratic and never works in the interest of the nation or its people
the act should be treated as treason

>>714737839
Enough with this hatefull idea, you should feel ashamed! Immidiltey delet what you just said and never think about it again.

>>714745629
kek

>>714759289
lobbying is important to democracy though, it's there to make governments aware of whatever negative impacts of legislations or policies have
problem is that it's often hijacked by corporations to get rid of legislations that would harm their profit margins

>>714755870
You don't understand, what if people put mods on their servers that allows player to *gulp* use paid skins for free???

>>714749779
>why are jewish masters able to influence |JEWISH CREATION|
hmm i dunno man

>>714737839
chat is this real

>>714737839
You let them.
Stop buying products.
That's all it takes.

>>714756567
It's 100% on Nintendo, they basically used it as evidence that they were using their patents in their case against ColoPL and immediately dropped the game when they "won" it (they got their money out of court). Cygames' investor meeting had them straight up complain about Nintendo's behavior and that's the reason there has been no common project between the two companies since.

>>714737839
Just you wait until you find out what Interest Groups are.

>>714745416

>Commie mindset
You don't deserve to call people faggots

>>714759710
>it's there to make governments aware of whatever negative impacts of legislations or policies have
>problem is that it's often hijacked by corporations to get rid of legislations that would harm their profit margins
these are one and the same
no person running a mom and pops store is ever gonna have a lobbying group to protect their business, you know who does have such a group? Wallmart
Lobying has always been in the interest of big corporations shadowrunning a country and its time we stopped pretending it wasnt

>Twatter

Any source from/on the companies that responded to the SKG? I know you guys like to believe anything posted online, but I need some citations. Some random dude compiling a bunch of companies and posting out of context statements is not the cause to suddenly get mad at random companies.

>>714760127
>owning things is a commie mindset
always the same shit with you shills

>>714735096
Valve are objectively the good guys of the gaming industry.

>>714737839
Democracy is the biggest trick played on the people by tyrants.

>allowing players to run private servers would present significant engineering challenges for many games, due to the way many such online features are integrated with other proprietary systems
holy fucking pilpul, mw2 dedicated servers all over again
meanwhile old games
>unreal tournament
>quake 3
>cstrike
>hl
>tf2
it just fucking works
not an issue
even racing games have adhoc lobbies they can use

>Nintendo is on the boycott list
Let's goooo, tendies on suicide watch

>>714745957
Why is the center of Russia better than literal fucking capital?

>>714750736
>>714751397
>>714751572
Sega loves killing games you fools. Remember pso2? Or Sakura Wars they spent $100+ million on?

>>714760464
Or Hyenas lmao

>>714733975 (OP)
They're all rapists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l38TMl8AizQ

>>714760524
>actually bit the bullet and took it out the back
>narrowly avoided becoming a byword for abject failure like Concord
Wew lad

LOL you retards believe anything. The Lobby List is fake and you dumbasses straight up took it at face value. Jesus Christ he IQ of this board is in shambles HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>714734841
>adds invasive DRM to his game
yeah hes as bad as any of those corpos

>>714760605
But anon, it's a Twitter screenshot. That means it HAS to be real.

>>714760605
who cares
fuck companies for this or that, but fuck em

>>714760346
no that would be communism
especially when you find out who funded it

>>714757269
Oh shit, were they always owned by muzzies?

>>714733975 (OP)
What is Gaben and Steam response to Stop Killing Games?

>>714737839
Stop noticing things, Chud.

>>714760605
the whole idea of this event is to force the outrage on companies afterwards. It's a communist propaganda stunt, they aren't dealing with facts.

>>714760605
Seriously, I might make my own click bait if the majority of /v/ is this gullible. Not a single source or official statement from the companies and this is the 2nd thread after the last hit 500.

>>714761027
Every vote for SKG is another year added to the development time of Half-Life 3

You know people can google, right?
https://www.videogameseurope.eu/about/our-membership/

The slimy shill cuck pajeet hired by Ubishit >>714760605

The Chad deboonker >>714761268

>>714760381
its not just Nintendo but Sony as well, the 2 most rabid fanbases on this board
expect shitposting to hit max retard levels in the coming months

>>714760184
Takes 5 seconds to google you fucking mongoloid.
https://www.videogameseurope.eu/news/statement-on-stop-killing-games/
https://www.videogameseurope.eu/about/our-membership/

>>714761268
Hey genius, show me where the companies are lobbying like the Twatter poster said they were doing

>>714761198
>>714761137
>>714760912
>>714760861
Nevermind, mongoloidS (plural) >>714761410

>>714761410
(you) now answer the question
>>714761439
Stop with he disingenuous bullshit.

>>714760162
>mom and pop store
are you literally that retarded? you are perhaps one of the most illiterate morons i've seen today
never once did i ever say or even hint at lobbying is something only businesses do, in fact i explicitly stated that they hijacked the process for their own benefit
fucking kill yourself

>>714733975 (OP)
WTF I love Epic now.

>>714758225
Either I'm blind or Capcom and Konami is not on the list

>>714761410
>>714761268

>Videogameseurope

You guys know taking a statement of one person and then applying it to everyone else makes you look like a clown right?

>>714761527
Do you even know how lobbying works ? They'll make their interests known to the elected and unelected officials, and the initiative hasn't even been reviewed yet. The statement put out clearly shows their stance is the status quo and they'll push for it if the initiative passes. There's a lobby of non EU companies solely dedicated to further their interest and you're acting blind because the dick hasn't entered you ass yet.

>Source

>>714737000
Imagine thinking Unreal will suddenly get an uptick in sales. Everyone who wanted it already owns it.

>>714761676
Both Capcom and Konami are reviving games.

Nintendo and Sega are killing games.

skg is reddittranny cringe

>>714761731
It's a group that represents the interests of these video game companies and has a representative from Warner Bros games as the head, not to mention the EA rep is the lady who coined "surprise mechanics". How thick are you to believe that they didn't collectively plan this? Maybe not all of them, but some absolutely did.

>>714761793
weird, nonsensical post. And you really needed to copy paste it for some.... reasons....

>>714761731
>uhm ackstually maybe not all the companies inside that lobby may agree with the official statement that was put out!

>>714761767


>Our membership covers the major video game publishers – many of which also have studios, and some of them have important esports activities – and national trade associations in 15 countries in Europe which represent in turn thousands of developers and publishers at national level.

>The direct company membership ensures a close link with the business and its realities which is reflected in our daily work and positions.

>>714761676
LEON, SIGN THE PETITION OR I WILL MAKE YOU FUCK MY SISTER

>>714737839
Yeah we should stop giving the rich control.
*votes for trump*
Oh wait.
*cant wait to vote for Musk*
People are dumb

>>714761767
Still waiting on some official sources and not some fallacy nonsense

>>714737063
They also had BoF6 and DmC Eye of Judgement, but both had so little support nobody was clamoring to have them stay.

>>714761816
Capcom is reviving Breath of Fire and MegaMan
Konami is reviving Silent Hill and Yu-Gi-Oh

Nintendo and Sega killed a bunch of games and even their consoles.

>>714761976
meds

>>714733975 (OP)
My allies!

>>714733975 (OP)

get your spam out if this board you dumb faggot. you play live service games and expect them to be up forever. how braindead are you? kill yourselves

>>714752183
Square makes the most live service bombs out of any company. Look at how many gacha games they eos, and not to mention crap like avengers, Babylon's fall, and the first soldier.

>>714734838
Tell me a single reason, despite the game being bad, that people should not be able to play the crew after ubisoft shuts down its servers?

>>714746606
Where was this so called "respect" when your beloved ferret fucker was attacking Ross, completely uncalled for, and who has been a content creator for nearly 20 years??
Kill yourself you disingenuous piece of shit nigger.

>>714733975 (OP)
but is this true, or is it just twatterposting?

>>714755870
uh zoomie.. zoomers are literally using these

>>714762567
It's true like the last 30 times you asked.

>>714762465
Step up pajeet or they'll beat you even more.

>>714733975 (OP)
wow suddenly I'm thinking stop killing games is based

>>714761379
i am not sure how to tell you buddy but...
snoys practically don't exist in here anymore, the few ''snoys'' you see here are often falseflags from tendies to start gajillion of console war threads.

Barely three of these companies are even European.

>>714762628
proof?

>>714761793
based
jeets seething

>>714762706
https://www.videogameseurope.eu/about/our-membership/

>the chair is a Warner Brothers executive
Holy cancerous tumor.

>>714761786
>everyone who wanted it already owns it.

>>714746279
>peripeteiafag
motherfucker, are you the dev?

>>714762973
He isn't because there are at least three of us here.
But if he is, go update the fucking game nigger.

>>714733975 (OP)
Leave multibillion companies alone!

>>714737494
Any real gamedev knows that the client and host are separate, all games are born as offline games. During testing, it's necessary plug in mock server data, so these games are already built to simulate an online environment locally. Publishers just don't want to do the trivial work to let gamers simulate a local host because money, in fact they fear communities doing too well and growing private server communities which they can't profit from

>>714762704
(x) Doubt. The Playstation loving country Brazil already outed themselves here as Anti-Nintendo shitposters. Along with Canada and Europe

>>714763075
Shit like this is why Rockstar bought the FiveM mod
The mod was growing a parallel community against GTAO and was getting really popular
Rockstar wasn't making any money of the FiveM servers so they instead bought it and I won't be surprised if GTA VI wont have any community contend or mods at all

>>714762416
RWS is pro SKG

>>714736413
Sorry for the offtoppic but that picture was literally made for a bulge edit

>>714733975 (OP)
>No Steam
BASED GABE
I FUCKING KNEEL KING

>>714763195
>NOO NOT MY CORPORATION TAKING A JUST LOSS BECAUSE THEY ARE SO JEWISH, fucking SNOYS in the govt
source?

>>714733975 (OP)
Where's CDPR?

>>714737063
Monster Hunter is supported like a live service game.
Once they finish support and move on to a sequel, the finished is still playable online and offline. Same as any street fighter.

>>714763589
They're on another cuck list.

>>714754732
a post like this has been long overdue

>>714747932
>>media spins GG damn near CONSTANTLY the second GG gets a foothold, always making it about anti-women, anti-black shit like that, not one single mention of what GG is for, instead just interviewing random women
They're already trying this with SKG, one of the corpo counterarguments was that they couldn't "protect" people from le ebil racists on peer-to-peer servers

>>714763589
Steam spearheads the Kill All Games movement, you're literally relying on their good will.

>>714763981
To be fair you can't exist without being slandered and having a whole campaign against you without being on that list.
It is the whole point of their tactics.

If Nightreign, a game designed for multiplayer, can be played fully offline and they even patch it to balance it for better single player experience then other devs can do it too.

If Ubishit made Dark Souls and Elden Ring they'd all be always-online with shit excuses like superfluous multiplayer features.

>>714764102
I miss the time I could just plot some DVDs to install a game then use the key in the box without needing to connect to the internet

>>714764192
mmm, doll joints

>>714764157
>To be fair
I won't be fair to a fat kike that needed the Australian government to force him to provide basic fucking features like refunds.

Rape all corpos and skin their simps alive.

>>714752894
doesn't change the fact that it's 3rd party and copyrighted, thus the developer can not give it out in any case.
>well uhhh EU force that every 3rd party IP loses its copyright too lel
commies exposing themselves

>>714733975 (OP)
why do people believe everything ever posted by some random terminally online faggots like this case when you make a list of random companies and then claim they did this and that

>>714764430
you're low IQ

>>714734841
wtf i am buying stelled blade now?

>>714737839
whoa whoa keep down the antisemitism

>not a single gacha company
well well well

>>714734838
Valve isn't listed on there?

>>714761941
You haven't thought this through

>>714737000
They are also fully removing a game from your account if they haven't already cause so publisher drama or something.

>>714733975 (OP)
Wait, why is EPIC on there?
I thought Timmy was fighting the good fight against greedy companies and for the gamers?

What the point to you retard supporting this dogshit?

It will just make it so they won't be releasing games for Europe anymore since they won't be arsed to bother with giving in do your baby stomping demands since what you're asking for is for them to basically just keep up servers for you free of charge even if they do shut down services so you can have forever access to that shit cause you're manchildren who can't grow up and move on to something else.

This is basically the equivalent of you graduating highschool with your diploma, but the government requires you to at least every couple of years retake the high school graduation finals over and over again to "prove" you are still worthy of having the diploma and you didn't somehow just suddenly become retarded and forgot everything you were meant to be thought.

>>714733975 (OP)
Why is square enix in every bad guy list?

>>714751346
He can though? He clearly said "purchasing the game is owning it". You pirate retard.

>>714737839
Stop asking antisemitic questions

>>714760798
Just buy the game, nigger? The cope about it being unmoddable due to Denuvo was buck broken on day 1.

>>714764915
>It will just make it so they won't be releasing games for Europe anymore
You don't have to convince me, i've already signed.

>>714764779
The initiative isn't about gacha at all.

>>714765029
Not reading but the one you replied to tells me it's Stellar blade which only allows model swaps i think. Good for you if it got better or sorry for your lose if it hasn't.

>>714733975 (OP)
>sony
>squeenix
Of course they're here, the scummiests companies on earth

ITT let’s push them to make all games subscriptions and uninstall for you

>>714764779
>not a single gacha company.
Gacha doesnt only mean "roll for anime girls"
Plenty of these companies are involved in lootbox shit.
Also Square Enix has gacha games. They're all flops though.

>>714765382
shalom nintensnoy

>>714764192
Say what you want about FromSoft, but when it comes to the format of their games, they're still old school in a good way.

>>714764779
hey stupid fuck. square enix, sega, namco, etc are all publishing and developing gacha.

>>714765467
I mean they're there too

>>714765029
It's about ownership, retard.

>>714764905
>>714747542
>>714735610
Unreal Engine is home to several high profile gachas like Unity. its in their best interest to defend them.

>>714764983
>game owned by publisher
>dev says meaningless shit since he doesnt own the game himself
whats your next retarded cope?

The reality is that you don't truly own games unless they have Denuvo.

>>714761786
What is this nigger logic ?
What if some kid in 2030 wants to try it ?

>>714766056
Nobody in 1998 wanted to try it.

>>714733975 (OP)
>jew squad mad people don't want to get jewed anymore
hahahaha clockork

>>714737494
>It worked before
>Suddenly it cannot work
I can play Gran turismo 4 any time I want with licensed music and car models. Now I NEED uninterrupted internet connection to play Gran turismo 7 a single player racing game. im not a developer make it make sense.

>>714741126
WOWIE
800 LIKES? THAT'S LIKE THE WHOLE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>714740879
This is practically guaranteed to not be what actually happens but even then i'd prefer it.

>>714747932
I hate how you are downplaying the kind of retarded fucks that were let to be in the front of the movement ,near a microphone. Just like how right now it feels like we are letting randoms be the voice of reason in front of the commission.

>>714751009
They do in a sense though.

so how long do we have until stop killing games just turns into another gamergate situation?

>new contrarian tactic is to pretend the lobbying group doesn't exist
for what reason?

>>714737839
Democracy is just oligarchy with extra steps

>>714733975 (OP)
have they actually actively rallied against it or are they just being hit by association here?

>>714750654
>This doesn't apply to them except maybe (thing that this directly applies to that makes them gorillions of dollars)
Reminder their FE mobile game has made more money than the entirety of the rest of the series

hahaha "stop killing games"

your games will be killed faster by this

you will lose all your rights to ownership

you lose

you fail

>>714767181
If we failed, why are you so worried about this?

>>714737839

>>714765382
This

>>714764232
based
we need more games with dolls

>>714767181
>you lose
>you fail

>>714735096
Why would Valve be against this
If there is no game, then no game will be sold

where is valve? dont they care?

>>714738482
It's been years and to this day I still don't understand why /v/ has a bunch of people so assmad towards compfags in tf2. They play on their own servers without bothering anyone as far as I know, this sentiment feels extremely forced. And no, I have never played a game of comp myself I hate the matchmaking.

>>714733975 (OP)
Isn't this just a list of companies that are part of that group which in turn stands against Stop Killing Games?
I doubt all of them individually came out and opposed SKG.
It's like being part of a sports team, but then the spokesperson for that sports team puts out a statement that stealing is cool and should be legal, so everyone who is part of that sports team is now implicated even though they haven't even opined on it.

>>714767457
Why would they? Valve doesn't make games.

>>714767457
Valve is the one holding the industry together

>>714767457
Valve implemented offline mode for steam
Valve implemented the "you can delist your games but you can never, ever, remove the game from the players library" feature

Valve signed the initative btw

>>714737839
Uh, they just are. Understand?

>>714737839
>democracy
Why my vote has the same value as the one made by a retard or a parasite?

>>714767539
Valve killed game ownership. You can squirm and squeal all you want but it's a fact.

>>714767639
horse armor killed game ownership.

>>714767539
>Valve signed the initative btw
Proof?

>>714767639
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/ProCD,_Inc._v._Zeidenberg
Ownership of digital products was killed long before Valve, EGS, Ubisoft, EA, GOG swooped in like vultures.

>>714748519
Kinda. They went after shit like obscuring rates and the actual cost of shit by using intermediary currencies

>>714767457
Valve is not fucking with the EU again they can see where the wind is blowing and prefer to stay out of it

>>714764915
This is stupid. Europe is such a large market that publishers can't just avoid selling too. If the EU can force tech giants like Apple to follow their regulations, why can't they do for game publishers, in fact, this is even worse for them. If you don't sell games in the European markets on legal services, people are just going to pirate them, and you won't make a dime at all.

Sure, people still pirate games even when their services allowing to buy, but with existing system, it deters piracy, netting profits that mitigated the damage piracy brings. No service just leads to more piracy, which means less money.

>>714767907
>If the EU can force tech giants like Apple to follow their regulations
and keep in mind, Europe is a very Android dominated market.

>>714753227
Did you know that if you make your product function independently of central servers, you can continue to sell it without accruing additional costs?

>>714734838
Pretty sure there's been quite a few pushbacks on gacha.

>>714734841
great mindset, he should make a good game next.

>>714767457
Valve literally already allows what SKG initiative asks, to let games be playable on custom self hosted servers instead of only on official ones

>>714764915
>shareholders are going to let publishers ignore an 80+ billion euro market because they just are, okay?!
Your tears are delicious.

>>714768043
Gooks
Making anything worthwhile
Pick one.

>>714768052
>Valve literally already allows what SKG initiative asks,
Except they don't. They haven't done that in years.

>>714764915
>companies will choose not to make more money
Hah good joke

>>714764102
I still can download Escape From Butcher's Bay after its removal from all game stores though.

>>714767863
I own boxed copies of games from before Steam.
I can legally sell them at any point, because, you guessed it, I own them.

>>714764915
>It will just make it so they won't be releasing games for Europe anymore
What you don't know is that corporations want this because it'll make idiot consumers want to buy more from them.

>>714733975 (OP)
I doubt most of those even know what stop killing games is

>>714764915
>What the point to you retard
ESL gibberish
stopped reading

>>714768278
They know, they just pretend they don't.
And they're scared.

>>714768278
Most likely, that's a list of people who worked with Video Games Europe in the past, not people who are necessarily a part of it.

>>714768430
So this is just disingenuous culture war garbage again.

>>714768110
Except they do.
You can connect to community servers in TF2, L4D1, L4D2, all CS prior to CSGO and 2, and you can literally convert CS2 back to CSGO(pic related) and play on community servers.
Portal 2 utilizes P2P.

Literally ALL games valve has made that have multiplayer can currently be played on community servers.

>>714768187
You can sell your steam account too

>kills online-only singleplayer games
>forces dedicated servers on MP games, effectively kills matchmaking since everyone would rather hit the server browser, even on console, if given the option
SKG is based just for this

>>714768526
Now look at how old all of those games are.

Alignment chart anon, are you here?
Maybe flip jannies and maldavius. Maldavius tried starting a shitstorm, jannies just tried to shut it down after being promised double wages by their corporate masters.
>chaotic good
Some random eceleb that tried to ride SKG for view but also supported it.
>neutral good
Either Louis or smaller devs that supported SKG.
>true neutral
Maybe put EU in here and have the pirate party, which supported and initiative are will likely to be the ones talking with the EU if this passes, be the lawful good.
>chaotic neutral
No idea.

>>714768563
But I can't sell singular games.
So we could say I own my steam account, which has some rental licenses attached that can be revoked at any point for any reason.
Not optimal.

>>714768459
Not culture war, that's more the whole left v right nonsense. Just bullshitting to raise support.

>>714768743
Put Ross is chaotic neutral he's not really doing this to be good but because he's butthurt about buying a game with DRM.

>>714768459
NTA, but what do you expect from companies who are publishing statements agains SKG declaring that SKG asking them to keep supporting their games forever is unfair and unrealistic and that them being able to stop supporting them is their right, when picrelated is literally in SKG FAQ

>tl;dr:
companies are publishing statement against SKG without literally knowing what SKG is asking and fighting against things things SKG never asked

>>714768790
I mean it's some retard who conflates any sort of allegiance or collaboration between a company and Video Games Europe at any point as being complete agreement with their current stance on Stop Killing Games.
That's just cheaply and dishonestly peddling a narrative to get clicks and attention.

>>714768849
Eat my entire ass.

>>714768729
>Valve doesn't do it
>*show proof they do*
>but those games are old!
It's still their games. When they discontinue support, they're still playable.
>but they're old!
Faggot.

>>714768881
If they don't agree with their lobbying group they're free to publish a dissenting message. Just like offbrand games saying they don't agree with Pirate Software even though they work together (at the time of posting)

>>714768927
Alright there ferret fucker, it's not wrong though.

>>714768526
>conveniently ignoring Dota 2

>>714769001
>you worked with these faggots once
>therefore we now assume you take their position on every stance in the future
's'kinda dumb innit

>>714769057
It was urgent since they were getting review bombed

>>714768729
are you fucking retarded?
THATS THE ENTIRE FUCKING POINT
no one is asking anyone to make community servers available for games that are currently alive and still officially supported.
the point is EXACTLY to have games be able to connect to community servers AFTER the devs/publisher decides to shut down the official servers, which will only happen when those games will have become, wait for it....OLD GAMES

>>714764417
Quake is copyrighted, yet we will be able to play it forever and wear whatever player model skin we like, and somehow no one has been stolen from. What nonsense

>>714769048
you can still play Dota 2 as well

>>714769108
Do you not know how to read? The point was that they USED to, not that they currently do.
You yourself even had to add this
>prior to CSGO and 2,
Because you know more recent games don't do it.

>>714764242
>I won't be fair to a fat kike that needed the Australian government to force him to provide basic fucking features like refunds.
But they didn't provide basic refunds, they provided the best refund system in the entire industry despite not being forced to do so.

>>714767457
>>714767539
They already cucked out and started the lobbied "license" damage control. >>714764102

>>714769057
It's not there to inform people. It's there to rile up the sub-80 IQ mutts and get them clicking shit about how "ALL THESE GAME COMPANIES ARE FIGHTING SKG. THEY ALL HATE YOU."

>>714751009
If you are an official member of a group, and the group makes an official statement, and you don't say anything, you condone the statement.

>>714769257
>Because you know more recent games don't do it.
name a valve developed game that is BOTH currently NOT supported by official servers anymore and NOT able to connect to community servers

>>714769257
I'm willing to bet he's some kind of Moldavian subhuman.

>>714769257
>Because you know more recent games don't do it.
MORE RECENT GAMES ARE STILL OFFICIALLY SUPPORTED YOU FUCKING RETARD
NO ONE IS ASKING ANYONE TO TOUCH GAMES THAT ARE STILL OFFICIALLY SUPPORTED

I don't support SKG.
I believe all multiplayer games and all DRM should be banned. Full stop.
None of that "please turn the DRM off later" or "make it so it is fully legal to fix it myself" bullshit.
Fuck off.
Multiplayer is a fucking disease that should've been destroyed in the crib. Fuck your DooM, Quake, Halo lan parties. They weren't great because those games were great. You could've replaced that activity with watching paint dry while munching on cheetos and you still would've had a great time BECAUSE YOU WERE WITH FRIENDS.
What all digital storefronts of games, music, or any media should've done is put a timer on a download link after purchase, and if you failed to comply in that time you should've gotten fucked. End of story.
But no. You fuckers of Netflix, iTunes, Steam generation want the convenience of being able to stream or download and delete as you please whenever. You brought this DRM hell on yourself.

>>714769331
You literally did yourself you moron.

>>714769429
TF2 can be played on community servers
L4D1 can be played on community servers
L4D2 can be played on community servers
all CS games before GO and 2 can be played on community servers
CSGO can still be installed via CS2 beta opt in, and can be played on community servers
CS2 is still supported
Portal 2 does not require servers as it relies on P2P.
please name which of these games is BOTH currently NOT supported by official servers anymore and NOT able to connect to community servers

>>714769417
>I believe all multiplayer games and all DRM should be banned. Full stop.
Yeah you're not getting that, ever. SKG is pretty much the only chance of regaining at least some semblance of ownership. And here you're saying you'd rather not even have that. Nigga you're pants on head retarded. What a childish point of view. Dumbass nigger.

>>714733975 (OP)
>no evidence of their involvement or statement for or against Stop Killing Games at all
You guys gotta be wary of grifters who hitch a ride just to rile people up so they can make some easy money.
Gamergate died the same way, with parasites with no interest either way latching on and posting clickbait to people who were easily conned into believing it.

>>714769675
>Proceeds to once again answer his own question
>ignores it
You anti-skg cucks are fucking morons.

>>714769774
>>no evidence of their involvement or statement for or against Stop Killing Games at all
they literally put up a statement
https://www.videogameseurope.eu/news/statement-on-stop-killing-games/

>>714769770
>SKG is pretty much the only chance of regaining at least some semblance of ownership
Nah, as it is they can still shut down games as long as they provide an offline version but nothing is saying that they have to give that offline version for free

>>714768753
Just make an account for every game. Reseller (selling games from lower price region) actually does that.

>>714769885
Anon, VGE aren't those organizations, it's just a list of people they've worked with

>>714769817
anti-skg?
are you fucking retarded?
I AM PRO IT, I AM SIMPLY EXPLAINING WHY VALVE ISNT IN THE LIST OF COMPANIES AGAINST IT

and learn to fucking read
ALL the games i listed can be played on community servers except one, CS2, but that one is still officially supported, so NONE of the games i listed is BOTH currently NOT supported by official servers anymore and NOT able to connect to community servers

>>714769895
>but nothing is saying that they have to give that offline version for free
??????????????
Were you born from incest or something? The point of the initiative is to allow customers use the product they paid for.
If they have to pay more for that, then it isn't following the initiative's intention and therefore would be ilegal in the EU

>>714769895
The initiative fights for the right of being able to play the game you already paid for, charging extra for the offline version won't fly. You actually are retarded huh.

>>714770013
>The point of the initiative is to allow customers use the product they paid for
It's really not, read the faq it's about keeping a version of the game alive

>>714770109
>It's really not,
lol, incest it is.

>>714769885
Case in point.
>>714769953
These lemmings just don't get it.

>>714769997
>defending a company
>defending a company that hasn't allowed private servers in years
>defending a company that pushes the license meme
Sounds like you're anti-skg to me.

>>714769953
>it's just a list of people they've worked with
wrong, it's a list of their MEMBERS
VGE is literally the PRs for all those companies, they literally speak for them

>>714752484
I HAVE TO MAKE THE MOVIE

>>714770410
>>defending a company that hasn't allowed private servers in years
THE ALLOWT PRIVATE SERVERS RIGHT NOW YOU FUCKING RETARD

>>714769048

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5Ay_aOUcFw

It's out

>>714733975 (OP)
>only a few dozen companies
>hundreds of millions of players
>still lose
how do people not know how to lobby, why haven't we gamed this system yet.

>>714770417

>>714767623
>Why my vote
That's why

>>714768879
They know, they are just hoping that part of SKG's goal gets obfuscated (be it by not giving that point exposure or other means) so they CAN claim SKG is about keeping servers on forever and thus it is a completely unrealistic initiative and lawmakers should scrap the entire thing.

seeing a lot of corporate shills trying to cause dissent among people who would have supported the cause