Does it actually live up to the hype?

>>714735293 (OP)
until you get past the big city

it is the only good game released after 2011

Probably game of the decade.

For noobs: Yes
For true soulsvets?: no way, jose

>>714735293 (OP)
It was very successful short term, but only hardcore autists are going to be returning to it in the long term.

>>714735293 (OP)
Of course not.
They're called fromcucks for a reason they eat up any slop served to them and ask for more.

>>714735293 (OP)
I just read a post today that says "Elden Ring has ruined games for me" and "That might be the end of gaming for me. I've reached the mountaintop.". If that's the kind of hype you're talking about then the answer is no, not even close, it is insanely overhyped.

>>714736550
>vets
thank you for your service
but as a fellow vet, absolutely jose. ds3 was such a letdown for me and the whole time i played er it was like it made up for all of that games let downs.

No. It's too front loaded and ends up being a disappointment.

>>714735293 (OP)
Roll+R1 oh amd there is a jump button now.
If you are a lobotomized shitskin you might enjoy it otherwise play any other action game not made my fromsoft

After Liurnia I was like "oh its the same thing over and over again" and.

>>714735293 (OP)
too much time wasted exploring
dark souls is better

It's the best game in over a decade
>>714738359
Dark souls is kinda short and too easy, levels are also hit and miss

If you want a RPG then play Gothic or an action game play Ninja Gaiden. Don't bother with Fromslop unless you want to torture yourself with bad gameplay with terrible RPG elements.

>>714738657
>slop
Tranny. Also reccomending Gothic for the fucking combat is just insane.

>>714738191
I only enjoyed the game after Liurnia because I have access to the rest of the map and can go anywhere. Every new playthrough Liurnia is the worst part for me because it's almost always mandatory to go through it.

>>714738842
fortunately you can just skip through it once you know how

>>714738819
>Fromshitskin has horrendous reading comprehension
Truly the niggers of gaming.

It was about shit game like all other Fromslop tranny games.

>>714735293 (OP)
Tranny Reddit game

>>714735293 (OP)
I love using summons. I wish they had a summoner class where you can buff/heal your dudes up. Make the class like a pokemon trainer and let you capture enemys too.
>Placidusax, I choose YouUuuuuuUuuu!

Shit game for tasteless npcs.

>>714740260
You did not beat the game

My expectations weren't high since I didn't like the direction their PVE was heading in DS3, but I was pleasantly surprised by how much better tuned ER is. I'm only particularly disappointed by how disconnected the multiplayer component is. I always felt the tight integration of co-op and invasions was one of Dark Souls' greatest strengths, but in ER it's more like a totally separate minigame.

>>714736550
I have about 900 hours in DS3 and really loved that game but after ER, I cant go back. I try every now and then but its just not the same. I do get a warm cozy feeling running around in DS3 though. Its like im reuniting with old friends that want to rip my skin off &/or throw literal shit at me.

It's just as bad as their other games which are also broken jankfests.

>>714740583
I bet you used your baby bottle to heal up. Let me know when you take the training wheels off and leave the tutorial section.

>>714738657
man, gothic was so good, one of the best rpgs ever

>>714740620
I like that you dont need to beat half the game or fuck around too much to play coop. I have friends and family that are new to the series but couldnt get into any of the souls because you need to jump through hoops before you can even summon a bro.

I uninstalled it and played Call of Duty Warzone instead. Best decision of 2022. Game was ass and boring.

the open world puts me to sleep
mimic tear trivializes the game to the point that you're retarded if you don't use it
bosses are quantity over quality
don't even get me started on magic which is 10x better than melee

DeS > BB > DS3 > DS1 > ER > DS2

>>714738657
>Just mention random games from random genres
Just Cause is a better action game then Ninja Goyden and literally any jrpg/crpg is a better rpg than Goythic.

>>714738606
>it's easy therefore it's worse

This is a shit mentality. Hard doesn't equal better. Symphony of the Night is piss easy yet one of the best games of all time. As an overall experience DS1 is better than Elden Ring despite being shorter and easier

>>714736550
counter point: only noobs thought the game went to shit in the mountaintops. the late game bosses could be obnoxious at times but the late game areas were mostly great.

>>714741424
>mimic tear trivializes the game to the point that you're retarded if you don't use it
so you are a retard if you dont play on easy mode? goes to show what kind of player you are.
>don't even get me started on magic which is 10x better than melee
nah the most brain dead easy way to play is dual wield two great weapons and spam jump attacks

>>714741424
I really, really love the magic in ER. That dragon breath is still so OP in PVP its insane. I love lureing people into hallways or enclosed spaces and blasting off my draconic shit mouth. Adulas is really great for pvp also.. Adulas is great for any occasion, really.
Oh man! the moons! The Beams! Moons and Beams!
Very satisfying

>>714742186
Go play as a pure caster with the mimic tear and beat the base game + DLC and tell us how much easier it is as a glass canon instead of an allrounder. I think 25 vig was the highest ive ever had mine just to maximize my dmg output.

Does this look close enough to Astolfo to you guys? Or should I keep trying for a better look?

>>714743485
Very nice and fairly close. Im also a man of culture and like making mega-twink characters.

>>714743630
If you want to copy it I followed this guide.
https://youtu.be/eE-_imwXAq8
I changed the eyelashes and obviously the hair.

>>714735293 (OP)
kinda

>>714743750
Dangerously Based. Thank you!

Game lets you have fun with powerful spells and weapons but this is somehow bad we need to go back to DS3 where there's a huge amount of trash options???

>>714735293 (OP)
>play ER
>get burned the fuck out
>hm, maybe I'm just tired of souls games
>play Demon's souls (og)
>have fun
>play Lies of P
>have fun
yeah, it's the open world that gets really tiring. and the combat to some extent. the combat system is too simple to warrant a game of this size imo. sure there are a lot of builds but there is not enough variance in the way that you play. how many people get through the game braindeadly spamming jump attacks because it is that easy and efficient? or just poking a boss every now and then inbetween their flurry of anime attacks? fully upgrading weapons also takes an ungodly amount of stones so you're not very incentivized to try new ones.

>>714741849
Harder isn't always better, but DS1 is TOO easy.
>As an overall experience DS1 is better than Elden Ring
Nope.

>>714745203
You haven't played any of these games tranny. The dead giveaway is you talking about shit like "spamming jump attacks" like it wasn't nerfed multiple times years ago.

I liked it just had some strange design choices
>regular smithing weapons? you get everything
>fire/magic? you get everything
>sombers are hit or miss
>lightning only scales on dex for weapons so it cant be used with spells
>magma/death/order is int/fth
>weapons only scales with one magic stat and have strange scaling

So much stuff locked to a 300+ run if you wanted to use it together

>>714745662
Guess they figured that if strength was going to get an elemental infusion then dex should too. Come to think of it, why DO we have both fire and flame art affinity?

>>714742468
If you're incapable of using crutches and depriving yourself of any challenge, it says way more about you and your absolute lack of self-control and/or testosterone than it does the balance of the game.

>>714745203
Honestly, I think it was the horse that ruined the open world. Now every enemy can run as fast as your horse so you cant cheese them with ride-bys. Every open boss jumps across the map because your expected to fight them on horseback so you always have to chase the fucker down too, thats annoying.

idk, im not against the open world, I like the idea. I seriously just blame the horse and their balance around the horse.

>>714745906
>absolute lack of self-control and/or testosterone
Says the pussy who dodges and rolls away from enemy attacks. After you summersault away like a little girl, do you feel all the shame and embarrassment or do you just ignore it?

>>714745915
No the game is not balanced around torrent because you have no torrent during coop. The only time torrent is necessary is to reach the summit of jagged peak.

>>714745915
>Now every enemy can run as fast as your horse
That's not even fucking slightly true. You can easily outrun every enemy in the entire game. The only, ONLY exception I can think of is Gaius, and he's in a locked off boss arena so it's not like you can just skip him.

>>714746110
>Says the pussy who dodges and rolls away from enemy attacks
You need to roll? ER lets you block, lets you parry so many enemies, lets you deflect like sekiro, lets you rally like bloodborne, lets you stack so much defence you can take every hit, hitboxes are precise enough you can avoid attacks with your own attacks that put in an airborne or crouching state, has viable backsteps with talisman...

what hype?

>>714735324
So 90% of the game does?

>>714746224
It 100% is.
It makes enemys far more annoying than they need to be and cheapens the experience of mounted combat. Id rather have no horse than what they gave us. A tighter map with less enemys that can catch you from 500 miles away and who cant run faster than you can would be better than vast open vistas filled with annoyances.

>>714745662
>magma/death/order is int/fth
Being a death lava Golden Order fundamentalist is based though

Lies of P is better.

>>714746224
Lol, fromsoft had to section off parts of the map like the hole in the wall dungeons because they knew in no way was the game actually made for multiplayer. It's made for singleplayer only with you blasting through it on the horse

>>714746385
Look at this coward who uses weapons and armor. Widdwl baby 'fraid of getting his bum smacked so he rolls up in a foamy mattress. How pathetic. Let us know when you actual try playing the game.

>>714746594
Actually they didn't let you use the horse in dungeons because double jump would break the level geometry

>>714735293 (OP)
It lacked good sections and variety is a joke.
Sekiro>DaS1>DaS3>DeS>ER>>>>>>DaS2=BB

>>714746537
The memetext under that memetext is pointing out their weapons don’t scale the same

>>714746704
Tranny samefag

>>714746668
That's not my point at all

>>714746846
Your point is gay and wrong

>>714746775
Dilate

>>714746704
I really liked the weird shit Ds2 let you get away with. It had nice characters also. Veldstat was a total G protecting his King.

>>714735293 (OP)
The open world felt overwhelming at first but it was actually kind of a let down in retrospect. Too many dungeons are copy+pasted. Lore was underwhelming. NPCs are forgettable. Endings are all lame. I enjoyed the gameplay but I haven't decided if I want to try NG+.

>>714746945
>Endings are all lame.
That was a huge letdown.
>Lore was underwhelming
100% I really didnt like the lore and the world didnt grip me. Ds3 was my first souls and that intro inspired me to bash my face off Gundyr like 50 times before the game clicked for me and I got him. If ER was my first fromsoft game that big fuck off Knight right outside the gravesite would of made me refund the game.

>>714735293 (OP)
Wish Fromsoft was still updating it with Nightreign stuff

>>714735293 (OP)
yes

>>714747259
>If ER was my first fromsoft game that big fuck off Knight right outside the gravesite would of made me refund the game.
You mean the guy you can literally just walk around

>>714735293 (OP)
Yes it is the best game ever made.

>>714748168
Thats the one. If it was my first fromsoft game I would of tried fighting that guy until I got mad and quit. Apparently it was a huge problem when the game came out. People on steam were bitching constantly about it lol
>WHY IS THIS GUY HERE?!?! FUCK THIS GAME! FUCK YOU!!!
>just walk around him, homie

Astel's skull isn't actually a part of its body right? It's just wearing it, and the skull is something else that it presumably killed. Is that right?

I fucking love how this looks in all the games, but I've never enjoyed using it. Such a shame.

>>714735293 (OP)
Limgrave, Liurnia, the underground bit, yes. Everything else was kind of a slog imho

>>714735293 (OP)
hyper boring

>>714748737
I don't know what would make you think that's not its real head

>>714748737
No that's his head, he is an angel
>>714748796
You have to git gud with charged sweepijg R2s to enjoy estoc

>>714735293 (OP)
It easily could have if the world wasn't made by chatGPT. Its too big, too ugly and too generic. Normally I don't get hung up on the world, but its just TOO much world here with so little in it...

>>714748737
I figured it was his skull and he got damaged when he meteored down.

>>714749167
>I don't know what would make you think that's not its real head
The giant exposed crack in the skull forehead revealing a blue eye behind it. And the fact that the rest of Astel's insectoid body does not match the humanoid physiology of the skull.

>>714748479
ER was my first fromsoft game, and margit is what filtered me.
Stopped playing for a year, and only got back into it because my friend wanted to try seamless co-op, and playing it with him gave me a better understanding of the game. I went back and beat it solo before we finished our playthrough.
Now I have 1100+ hours in the game, with 300~ spread across the Dark Souls games (DS2 is the best one btw)

>>714740260
Anon just use AOE Heal Miracles, dumb dumb.

>>714749525
>ER was my first fromsoft game, and margit is what filtered me.
He got my cousin also. I was working nights for a few weeks so I couldnt play with him and by the time I actually had time off he was done. It took quite a bit of coaxing but we made it through and enjoyed the rest of the game.
Souls vets forget how hard this shit is for someone new to the world, once you figure it out then it becomes a cakewalk but for the first time it can be a real nightmare.

After Ds3 I went to Bloodborne and beat the game multiple times without ever actually gun-parrying guys because I had no idea how it worked >.<
>Now I have 1100+ hours in the game, with 300~ spread across the Dark Souls games (DS2 is the best one btw)
How can one man be so based... thats what I figured too, Ds2 is really unique and I love it. I used to think it was the worst one until I really got into it and now its my favorite.

>>714745727
For if you want flame on your dex character.

>>714749525
He's literally me.

>>714749513
>The giant exposed crack in the skull forehead revealing a blue eye behind it.

>>714749816
I want to try a mimic run where all I do is heal him and see if I can keep him alive as he kills bosses in my name lol

>>714749513
>The giant exposed crack in the skull forehead revealing a blue eye behind it.
That's just what happens when you think about space enough.

>>714749994
until just now, I never noticed it was an eye. I thought it was just his orby brain or something and had a weird reflection like Lusat's Glintstone Crown.

>>714750162
Your Mimic Tear actually has infinite use of the items in his hot bar, like Kukris and healing items.
So if you give him Raw Meat Dumplings he can actually heal 50% of his HP infinitely without the poison.
You still gotta be careful because he'll use it at really dumb times.

>>714745662
>>lightning only scales on dex for weapons so it cant be used with spells
You want at least 40 dex for casting speed anyway, so lightning infusion works decently. The softcap for fire and lightning infusions is only 50, they're kind of geared towards hybrid builds.

>>714750428
>Your Mimic Tear actually has infinite use of the items in his hot bar, like Kukris and healing items.
... after all this time ive been playing the game wrong... I didnt know that. omfg thank you lol
Holy, talk about embarrassing.

>>714750646
I've been on my save for 90+ hours and I had to learn it from a Youtube short.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/g4vL6ZDrH8Q?feature=share

>>714749994
>>714750317
It's both. Lusat's "crown" (which is actually his brain) also is an eye

>>714735293 (OP)
>Live up to the hype
RETARD ELDENRING IS THE PEAK OF VIDYA, NO GAME WILL EVER TOP THIS.
ELDENRING DESERVE ITS OWN MUSEUM

>>714750831
If Lustat was thinking of the stars and got a big glintstone eyebrain, what was Azur thinking of? lol

>>714735293 (OP)
Yes.

>>714748796
Thrusting swords have always felt so gimped to me, outside of DS2 where they're disgusting and braindead. At least in ER you can use an ash and cold or bleed infusions to get around lack of staggers, but I'd still just rather have a straight sword that's more reliable in all situations.

>>714751335
Exactly. The longsword is just so much better in every way, it's pretty sad

>>714751335
>>714751485
ER thrusting swords are kinda lame, but GREAT thrusting swords are very fucking strong

>>714738657
More people have shilled Ninja Gaiden than have ever played it.
No one gives a fuck about your shovelware.

>>714741424
The best builds in the game all revolve around Strength.
Magic is better than Dex, but both are far worse than Strength with some points in Faith or Arcane.
Stop imagining this is DS1. Every major boss can cover distance like a sprinter. You're just going to be using Carian Slicer instead of actually playing a mage build most of the time.

>>714745662
This is all just carry over from the days of Dark Souls where there was a lore justification.
The Whetknives you can pick up all make this chicanery irrelevant, kinda.

Also fuck Smithing Stone 3s.
Holy shit those are annoying to get compared to literally every other type of Smithing Stone.
The only good farming place I know of are the Caelem Ruins with the fire tanks. Otherwise, if you're working with more than 2 weapons, you're going to be pulling hair out over not having enough SS3s to break the +8 barrier.

>>714735293 (OP)
I love doll wife

>>714735293 (OP)
No lol

Children want the most out of their videogames, will say stuff like "1 dollar should be at least 1 hour". For them, a massive game like ER is perfect.
Adults want a good game. The length of the game should be exactly as long as it needs to be. ER is much longer than it needs to be.

>>714754527
This nigga pays $60 for games he only plays for 3 hours.

>>714735293 (OP)
Yes.
Also Dark Souls 1 sucks ass, every other entry is a massive improvement.

Why can't I put a cap on my connection speed to other people for pvp.
I don't want to play against 500ms turd worlders.

>>714735293 (OP)
I got 70 hours out of it but I can't see myself ever going back to it. No idea how they did it but they managed to make an open world game just as exhausting as ubislop open world with 0 map markers. Fun for one playthrough but between the copy pasted content and bosses, and the general lack of variety combat it just becomes a chore to play

>>714737631
this. it might seem contrarian to midwits, but elden ring is nowhere near as great as people say it is. lots of herd mentality hype because you're not a real gamer if you're not mindlessly eating up everything fromslopware shits out

>>714749525
Based alberto gordo

>>714754982
>the copy pasted content and bosses
The moment one of those tree spirits just materialized out of thin air five meters above the ground outside of the capital I mentally checked out.

>>714735293 (OP)
I think it's bretty gud. Currently playing Convergence via seamless coop with my brother and he's actually enjoying a souls game for once. He's doing stormcaller and I'm playing servant of rot/blood initiate.
I'm trying to pace it out so we're not ludicrously overpowered but so he's not dying to every boss and getting bored. So far we've killed Margit, Renalla and sewer Mohg and done a bunch of random dungeons. Co-op makes this game really easy but that's okay since it's mainly just so I can play a game with him.

>>714755347
I didnt know coop worked for convergence :o
I was really liking the necromancer class but slowly became a master of all magics and miracles by the end. Really great mod.

>>714754084
STR is the best stat, but pure Int is perfectly viable. You have great long range and CC options for enemies, shard spiral DESTROYS large bosses, comet is as fast as a heavy weapon's R1, lots of access to ice status, very strong physical projectiles. About the only thing you're really lacking is a variety of elemental damage options, and it's not like the gelmir sorceries take THAT much faith.

>>714754982
>>714755061
>>714755224
Samefag tranny

>>714735293 (OP)
>bloated
>repetitive
>empty

>>714755626 <----- genuine bot post

>>714736550
I've been playing Souls since 2012 (including Sekiro and BB and I played DeS while waiting for DaS2 to release) and ER was great. It's just that AFER Elden Ring that it hit a saturation point. ER is a good culmination of the series but something like "elden ring 2" where it's just another big world with the same formula will not work for me. Also Duskbloods is the first Fromsoft game I'm not buying in over a decade.

>>714755837
You bought Deracine?

>>714755643
Also
>iterative. almost every ascept was recycled from souls games even then lore is very reminiscent of 1 with only some minor alterations
>weightless movement as in you can reach maximum speed in immediately and the turn cap is too fast which makes it feel weightless and snappy
> combat is too unbalanced because AoW are too spammable which makes your default moveset redundant
>armor doesnt affect your movement speed or stamina regeneration. its sad to see it was still not brought back from 2
>not enough overworld events or activities. the world fees empty for that reason. there should have been many unique events that happen either randomly or based on certain circumstances to justify its sheer size
>every level feels the same. there is literally not much unique environmental hazards or any puzzles specific to a dungeon for the most part. it’s mostly you fighting the same type of enemies in a classic souls layout without much variety
>not enough npcs and quests despite being an open world game. the quests are also badly designed since most of the time they dont even give you any clues on where they are going to be next
>art design is just too bland and gaudy. i miss when fromsoft games looked cohesive and appealing.
>they are doubling down on the weird and grotesque too much. when everything is grotesque and weird the game feels saturated. you need to mix it up well in order to create a more interesting experience

>>714737921
why? It was basically the same as elden ring except with better bosses and not open world.

>>714755224
Between the tree spirits and the stond cats I just got tired of repeating shit pretty early on but still forced myself to keep playing. I don't think the copy paste content would be as bad if the combat was just more fun and engaging. I saw someone in the thread get upset about someone else criticising the game for jump attacks but I could still very much clear most content by spamming jump attacks and it becomes a snore fest

>>714735293 (OP)
Mostly.

>>714742186
>struggle with boss fights
>game lets you beat them on first try instead of having to sit through dozens of loading screens and runbacks
>"m-muh easy mode doe"
shut the fuck up. elden ring's gameplay is dogshit

>>714756950
>elden ring's gameplay is dogshit
Truth nuke

>>714756443
You can't parry soc, gael or nameless king.
There are no attacks to jump over.
There is no deflect mechanic.
There is no guard counter and shields are pointless.
All you do is roll + r1. So no, ER is not the same as DS3.

>>714757128
>There are no attacks to jump over.
self-justifying mechanic
>dude, we added JUMPS! now JUMP!
fuck you!

>>714757282
They didn't just add jumps, they added attacks with airborne and crouching properties so you can keep the pressure going even while the boss is attacking. And you are rewarded with a stance break, which very few enemies in DS3 have.

>>714756950
all that text and no argument, sorry you're bad at video games and angry about it

>>714735293 (OP)
no, it's shit. i never checked another from release after that shitshow launch

>>714757717
Well that's your contention.

no
shit, bloated open world where the gameplay is holding down joystick like in almost every open world game in existance with little of substance

overpowered bosses that don't play fair maknig you cheese them by looking up guides

experimenting with builds is discouraged due to stingy smithing stone economy, making open world exploration even more pointless and shit because 95% what you find is an useless weapon or a spell you cant use

shit dogshit game for the masses

>>714735293 (OP)
the game is disappointing if you've played every other souls game
I wish they would do more with armored core instead

>>714758142
Armored core is all splash no substance, for 20k autismos worldwide who care about mechas

>>714756443
>better bosses
DS3 has like 4 not shit bosses

>>714756374
Based high IQ enthusiast. Pretty much summed up all my gripes with this game. Another thing is how the bosses had spastic anime wombo combo moves and cheap ass delays that didnt feel natural at all

>>714758198
It's literally just margit/morgott, you did not play the game

>>714735293 (OP)
There are more goddam elden ring and bloodborne threads up than nightreign

What the fuck happened?
Also I was on the fuck nightreign bandwagon as well, but I bought it for the fuck of it and its extremely decent other than rando shitters every once in a while.
Also you didnt beat the game if ironeye is your main.

>>714737631
I have more fond memories of dark souls 2 than elden ring.
>>714758182
ac was fucking great and the only from game to have decent NG+ and ++

>>714756374
My biggest gripe is the physics and object collision are ps2 tier

Its not ok to have a new game with static foliage. It looks like complete shit more than anything else.

>>714735293 (OP)
best open world game ever made by far
if you like open world games then you will love it
if you dont then it will definitely not live up to the hype

>>714735293 (OP)
Elden beast is too much of a nonsense boss
endings are lame
melina is underused
setting forgotten because From is made up of ADHD autists
they're going to ruin elden ring 2 hard in 2035

>>714754982
hundreds of weapons and spells
>lack of variety combat

>>714755347
why is everyone's brother a bitch

>>714736550
yeap... joined up in 2013, 360 games for gold, glitched release with no multiplayer & stuck on base patch for a week... no hard humanity drops from bosses & reduced souls rewards... wasn't there in the start in '69 but I saw my fair share.

All the hate sounds extremley nit-picky and contrived, like perhaps its just a cover for being a smelly little contrarian who's mad fromsoft is mainstrean now

>>714758616
>open world game
>can't even swim in it and the "Of the Lakes" area had to be turned into a conveniently shin-deep puddle

>>714758804
Are you a fish?

>>714758645
>hundreds of weapons and spells
>most are outright worse than other options or are so similar they're literally palette swaps
variety isnt just having *more* of something

>>714758794
you have to take into account that most posts shitting by elden ring are written by asshurt t*ndies that have never played it

>>714758706
Don't know about yours but I love mine. We've got significant overlap in our video game tastes but it's not 1:1. We've played MonHun, DRG, L4D, HL1, Vermintide, RoR2, Subnautica, BL3 and a bunch of other stuff together. Obviously we did even more as kids when we were sharing a PC and Wii.

>>714758973
fuck you

>>714758858
I occasionally play CoD

>>714758394
>the only from game to have decent NG+ and ++
Mainly because ac has a history of decent ng. Hopefully From goes back to making actually engaging passion projects like a new ac or sekiro then just drop another bloated mess like elden any time they need a cash infusion

>>714758263
K retard

>>714756374
Very concise and accurate

>>714756374
>>714758198
>>714759749
>>714759970
see ya later this year when you actually get to pay it

>>714760141
>everyone who doesn't like it is a tendie
Actual mental illness

>>714758491
Yes, this was a huge problem for me too. I still can’t believe how they still couldn’t figure out how to stop the enemy attacks from not colliding with the walls and hard surfaces. This is just nonsensical and not acceptable at this point.

>>714760426
huh?
you're the first one to mention nintendo

>>714760840
>later this year
Clearly referring to shitch 2 port

>>714759271
You are the only native english speaker in this thread. Why are you on this brown website? Don't you have a smarter club to join?

>>714762409
English speakers are brownoids tho

>>714735293 (OP)
yes

Well this was utterly miserable. I might be over Souls games if that is the route they are going now to somehow keep up the difficulty meme

>>714763140
you just need to hit them though

>>714735293 (OP)
gen a and zoomers are now labelling ER mid and hailing nightreign as the best game. wtf

>>714763140
He's just an ordinary boss after the patch if you pirated.

>>714763737
my game is 1.12 version

>>714755061
The thing is, I like the game. But it's not as great as some people hype it up to be. It's arguable if it's even the best in its genre, hell even if its the best game from the developer, let alone the peak of all gaming.

>>714763803
>not as great as some people hype it up to be
That's just your opinion vs their opinion man.

>>714763959
you’re out of your mentally ill tranny mind.
Elden Ring is literally unironically the greatest vidya ever conceived.

>>714764184
true sister
i love open world slop

>>714764220
>muh slop
kill yourself you nigger.

Uninstalled to make room for some shows to download.

>>714735293 (OP)
no, but it's still pretty good

>>714735293 (OP)
Not at all
It's big for the sake of being big, 70% of the areas are mostly empty and pointless and they copypasted bosses everywhere to have at least something to put there. Dragon fights are complete ass, as they have always been and most boss fights rely on delayed animations for difficulty because From has no idea how to keep up with people getting better at Dark Souls 3 combat
6.5/10

>>714764739
what do you mean "ruining" sales?

>>714764826
look up dark souls franchise(and sekiro too) sales before and after elden ring

>>714758860
>>most are outright worse than other options or are so similar they're literally palette swaps
That's false though

>>714751335
>>714751485
>>714752036
Are you joking? Cleanrot rapier is easily one of the best weapons in the game
And the reason no one uses the estoc is because the cleanrot is longer

>>714735324
Mountaintops isn't that bad, and elphael and farum azula are good.

Elden Ring for me is a 6/10. It's great for like two or three playthroughs, but then it's just not that replayable. I don't feel the urge to boot it up again. Nightreign however is a solid 8/10 because the combat of Elden Ring was refined to where everything felt fluid and amazing. The only flaw Nightreign has is that it lacks in content right now. It needs at least two more maps and way more enemy/event variety. The From combat and coop formula was perfected with Nightreign.

>>714764184
HELL YEAH BROTHER BRAAAAAAP

>>714765220
It's the opposite for me. Only 1/8 nightlords are parryable, a massive downgrade from ER. Blocking has been deemphasised to the point where it's back to DS3 rollslop or raider jumping L1 spam.

>>714764184
TRVTHNVNE
>>714764220
Go play sharts of of the troondom then

>>714735293 (OP)
I beated it once have 200h in and am procrastinating to do the dlc

Guardian Swordspear + Impaling Thrust my beloved

>>714735293 (OP)
i swear to god i will never understand the hype around these dumbass souls games.
you just roll around like a motherfucking down syndrome kid, thats the whole gameplay.

i guess these rolls are funny for the first 5 minutes, but i cant imagine doing rolls would keep me entertained for longer than that.

>>714765923
have you tried not rolling?

>>714765960
? its like telling somebody not to shoot in DOOM.

>>714765923
You have the build freedom to completely ignore rolling. You can block, you can parry, you can even tank all damage if you like.

>>714765923
You don't need to do that in DS1, which is why it's the best.

the only good thing ER have that other souls games doesn't is build variety and even then ds2 doesn't fall much behind, everything else any other souls game is mile better

>>714765960
>>714766060
>did you try NOT using the most effective way to play it? you can do many way worse ways to play the game, did you try them?

>>714765923
You can block with shields too. In fact the most braindead easy mode way to play is to equip heavy shield and never dodge roll

>>714766152
Shields are unironically the strongest pve build in elden ring, though.

>>714766152
Rollspam is not the most effective way to play hence all the whining about bosses never giving them a chance to attack. Shields are extremely strong.

>>714765923
same with e33.
>press button to parry simulator
i was literally fucking falling asleep on my desk while playing it.

>>714766126
DS2 falls much behind. Strike too good. Armor is shockingly worthless for physical defence (even worse than DS3). Every melee build is using robflynn lighting infusion + dark weapon.

>>714766194
>>714766215
>>714766223
how come all the hardest and most badass speedruns/full youtube/twitch gameplay runs on elden ring always use rolls 100% of the time?

>>714740661
PvP in DS3 is a lot more enjoyable since nobody can spontaneously activate massive AoE nukes from their weapon arts.

>>714766304
Because they've played for thousands of hours and know exactly when to dodge, so they don't even need armor.

>>714766304
I think because if they're doing a no hit run then blocking counts as getting hit

>>714766390
Blocking is still good even if you are able to roll perfectly simply because if you can get a guard counter out of it it's already better than most other punishes.

>>714766304
Because they're challenge runs not played with the most optimal setups, dumbass.

>>714766304
Why don't they level up or upgrade their weapons? Levelling up and upgrading must be useless.

>>714766109
Rolling is better in DS1 than in Elden Ring though.

>>714766330
Post-2020 DS3 PVP is wretched. I'd unironically rather sweat it up with DS1 backstab boys than play menu swaps 3: scholar of the first murky r1 ever again.

>>714751335
ER thrusting swords are ridiculous, what are you talking about
>Absurd range
>Ridiculous scaling for both DEX and STR builds
>Have access to stuff like Piercing fang, Glintblade Phalanx or Carian Sovereignty to delete posture
>Can use basically any elemental ash of war AND blood ashes
>You have shit like Rogier's Rapier with its busted R2s for status infliction
>Powerstance moveset is cool as fuck despite the lack of stagger values
Straight swords just can't compete, their only upside is that you have Square Off and a select couple of options like the Regalia that fill a rare niche thrusting swords don't have.

>>714766729
skill issue

>>714767131
Literally all of that applies to straight swords, except straight swords can get enemies off your nuts without spending FP. Is there even a single ash a thrusting sword can have that a straight sword can't?

>>714767138
throw a curse dagger about it

>>714735293 (OP)
Yeah

>>714767332
No it doesn't, what are you talking about? Not to put them down or anything because they're a very good weapon class, but straight swords have worse range than thrusting swords, worse frame data, overwhelmingly worse scaling ouside of some rare options like the Coded Sword, they can't even use the busted greatshield poke setup that thrusting swords have access to, nor can they leverage the counter function of pierce attacks anywhere as well as thrusting sword.
The only thing they do uncontestably better is having a stronger powerstanced moveset and dedicated ARC and FTH options, I don't think you actually tried to really use thrusting swords, even putting aside their dominance in PvP they're incredibly strong, too strong arguably.

>>714767868
>overwhelmingly worse scaling
>Lordsworn Straight Sword +25 on Quality 50/50: 225+292
>Cleanrot Knight's Sword +25 on Quality 50/50: 213+281
Wow, I'm really overwhelmed here. Sure thrusting swords have always been obnoxious in PVP ever since DS1 and DeS but they've also always been miserable in PVE (again except DS2 where they're broken instead). Bouncing off shields sucks. Not staggering enemies sucks. Using the same ashes you can put on a straight sword is a bad cope. Counter hits and shieldpokes are valid but straight swords get to poke a lot anyway since R2s got buffed so much and shieldpokes simply aren't a fun playstyle. But if counter hits and shieldpokes are what you want, why not use a heavy thrusting sword instead?

>>714764921
It is very good in PVP, but it is mediocre in PVE.
Very different games.

>>714766304
Because rolls look more impressive than shields (and are more difficult than optimized shield builds) and these are entertainers/challenge runners.
Why are you using people deliberately making the game tougher for themselves or playing to entertain viewers as any measure for how people actually play the game?

>5x runes on kill
>unlimited fp/hp regen
>no rune loss on death
>use any buff ash of war on any weapon
>unlimited spirit ash range and timer

holy shit this is just like my korean mmorpgs

>>714755574
Shard Spiral has mediocre casting time without massive Dexterity investment, and against bosses that will hunt your ass down, using it is tricky.
The ice shard is pretty decent, because it has fairly good casting time and can keep your Frostbite ticker up.
Comet is mixed. Some bosses don't input read and you can chip away with it, but some do and its basically useless. Night Comet is too FP inefficient to be worth using in a boss fight. Stick to using it to clear mobs.
Glintblade Trio is the best anti-boss ranged sorcery in the game, but you get it entirely too late. There's no reason that couldn't have been in the base game.

Souls games have no replayability. Fromsoft never made arcade games and it shows. RPGs almost never have replayability.

>>714748737
It is his skull, but he's still immature.
Once that skull fully cracks, Astel will be a full adult. Just like how he had to transition from a Falling Starbeast to himself.

>>714756374
Being iterative is not a flaw. Changing a winning formula because some people have played this series too much is idiotic. No one would have liked it if Kojima turned MGS4 into a beat 'em up in order to shake up the series and introduce some 'novelty'.
The movement being fast and nimble is good. The bosses are fast and the player is quick enough to keep up.
The Ashes of War are badass and them being good and flexible is the point.
Legacy dungeons all feel noticeably different from one another to play through.

The Open World did need to be more reactive. There is a distinct lack of random natural events or one-time events that when cleared stay cleared. It is too deterministic and lacking in a sense of permanency.
Quest design is total dogshit and you basically have to luck into completing most NPC quests. Rogier is one of the most useful loredump NPCs in the game, but it is very easy to lock yourself out of him based on the order that you clear North Liurnia.

>>714756374
>AoW are too spammable which makes your default moveset redundant
That's a straight up lie.
Yes you can break the game by building around some ashes and spamming them.
But that doesn't make the default moveset redundant across every build.

Take for example Stand-Off.
It's an amazing ash of war that gives good stance damage quickly.
It doesn't however replace the entireity of the straightswords moveset.
You still need jump attacks for openings stand off can't take advantage off and still build decent stance damage.
You still need roll attacks to get openings in the middle of enemy strings that stand-off can't take advantage off to maintain stance damage.
You still need r1 as a faster option in general for more openings to maintain stance damage.

Stand-Off replaces charged attacks, one part of the moveset you still need the rest of the moveset to make the most of the build. That's how ashes of war generally function they either buff or provide a better form of one of your default moveset options. You can build to only rely on that option in the same manner you can build around a weapon to focus on r1 chains or jump heavies but the moveset still has a purpose.

>>714735293 (OP)
Gta 6 eill be better at literally everything. Who cares really

>>714735293 (OP)
It's ok. It's Demon's Souls 7. It's not very ambitious but it feels good to play and it's pretty to look at. I'd probably like it more if there was only one Dark Souls game instead of a trilogy of them + Demon's + Blooborb that dilutes the waters. But I get why it was so explosive among the general population who had never played a Soles game before. If I had played Elden Ring without playing any of the aforementioned games, I'd go "holy fuck this game is rad" instead of just being fine with it. I didn't touch Nightreign and don't plan to.

>>714735293 (OP)
It's the greatest video game ever made. It is the peak of what a video game fundamentally even is.

>>714769209
Why are you using fucking quality builds as a measure of anything? Are you that scared to look at the values of all the other ones where thrusting swords win out?
>Bouncing off shields sucks
And when does that happen exactly and how is that different from a straight sword also bouncing on shields?
>Not staggering enemies sucks.
You can stagger enemies just fine, ashes of war exist, no idea why you're trying to spin this as something that straight swords do better when they have just marginally higher stagger MVs on their normals.
>why not use a heavy thrusting sword instead?
Because I can use a spear too if you put it that way, doesn't mean I can't do it with a thrusting sword, and it's still something a straight sword can't do at all, what kind of argument is this?

>>714735293 (OP)
Hell no, there's nothing redeemable about it.
>bosses
Name three from the base game you enjoyed that had their own arena that aren't maliketh, plasticsex, and radagon
>weapons
You have trivialize the boss in blood, frost, or colossal. Otherwise eat shit.
>muh weapon art spam
Eat shit
>magic
Well it would be interesting but unfortunately you cast just as slow as those hollow sorcerers. And everything else is moving at mach 10.
>pvp
Any other souls game is better. Yes even DaS1 toggle stab fishing
>Locations
Much like the bosses name 3 that are interesting without saying
>stormveil
>deeproot depths
>haligtree
>furrim anullubeum
Durr dat just leaves volcano manor, leyndell and....
>DLC
Aside from midra, putrescent knight, snake twink, and female pawntif what's there to remember or mention?

Overall? 6/10
And fuck you in particular for reading all this you underaged little shit.

>>714735293 (OP)
Unequivocally yes ER in its totality ended up being a behemoth of a video game. An eternal titan that will be forever beloved by anyone with good taste

>>714782541
Git gud scrub

>>714756443
Elden Ring is legitimately better than every Dark Souls game that exists, which are the bottom three games in this series of games.

t. Day 1 Demon's Souls Chad.

>>714758860
Most weapons in each category are extremely good depending entirely on your stat distribution. You'd know this of you actually played the game.

>>714780885
I looked at every infusion and every stat spread because I knew you'd try and blame quality, but it's completely in line with everything else. Every thrusting sword loses out to Lordsworn by 10-40 AR. Most of them lose out to Noble's Slender Sword, except on strength builds where it's at a severe disadvantage against Cleanrot. This scaling difference you're claiming is a complete and utter fabrication. The actual scaling is ever so slightly higher, but the base damage on thrusting swords is slightly lower so it still ends up a lower number.
>And when does that happen exactly and how is that different from a straight sword also bouncing on shields?
When you attack a shield with a thrusting sword. Even a fully charged R2 will bounce off a Banished Knight's shield. An uncharged straight sword R2 won't.
>no idea why you're trying to spin this as something that straight swords do better when they have just marginally higher stagger MVs on their normals.
Because when you press R2 and you hit an enemy with a straight sword, it staggers, unless it's big enough to never stagger at all. When you charge R2 and hit an enemy, it stance breaks. Thrusting swords don't even get a stagger without a charged R2. It's a small difference on paper that makes a big difference in game because of how poise works this time around.

>>714735293 (OP)
Game drops off a cliff after Stormveil Castle. The open world adds nothing. The best parts of the game are the legacy dungeons with a whole load of empty landscapes and horse riding in-between. How can it even be GOTY when it's the worst game in its own series?

>Everything is falling apart and there are zombie people everywhere.
Get some fucking originality already jesus christ.

>>714790302
Yup, stormveil is the best dungeon in the game and it's a midling area in any of the previous games

SotE sucks

>>714790450
god you tendies really can't help saying retarded shit

exceeds

>>714790302
>The open world adds nothing.
The open world allows for locations, encounters and bosses that would be impossible in a semi-linear experience
>The best parts of the game are the legacy dungeons
Well obviously, they're were the best stuff is concentrated
>with a whole load of empty landscapes and horse riding in-between.
Where you can find the tools you need to make your build and tackle those same legacy dungeons
>How can it even be GOTY when it's the worst game in its own series?
Because it's the best game in the series
>>Everything is falling apart and there are zombie people everywhere.
>Get some fucking originality already jesus christ.
But the normal enemies aren't zombies, the torn rotting shambling naked corpses are zombies, who aren't nearly as ubiquitous

>>714766289
you're a travesti

>>714790679
I'm NTA, I'm >>714790302
Don't be a retard anon, there's no tendie boogeyman. The fact of the matter is that Elden Ring is propped up by decades of Souls circle jerking that people dare not give it less than a 9/10 for fear of being a "casual" when these games aren't even really that hard to begin with. They're normalfags that are unable to see that FROM went quantity > quality with Elden Ring. The catacombs are copypasted. Bosses are reused often. We're STILL rolling with no evolution in mechanics because they're sticking to the formula so fucking hard.

I recently finished Shadow of the Erdtree and it was possibly one of the worst """expansions""" I've ever played. I only played it cause someone gifted it to me out of the blue. Reusing Radahn is so fucking lazy it's laughable, even the shills can't excuse it. I need to replay Sekiro sometime and cleanse my palate from the shit named Elden Ring.

>>714792113
>The open world allows for locations, encounters and bosses that would be impossible in a semi-linear experience
How so? What's so special about the encounters in ER? Can't wait to fight the ninth Tree Sentinel in a row.
>Well obviously, they're were the best stuff is concentrated
Okay, so why bother making it open world? The open world is filler, people grab shit for their build and fuck off towards the nearest legacy dungeon.
>Where you can find the tools you need to make your build and tackle those same legacy dungeons
Boring. Put the loot inside the linear levels and dungeons, hide them in secret areas if you have to, fixed.
>Because it's the best game in the series
If you eat whatever FROM shits out, sure.
>But the normal enemies aren't zombies, the torn rotting shambling naked corpses are zombies, who aren't nearly as ubiquitous
Not literal zombies, I was criticizing FROM for once again making a game in a dying world set after anything interesting has happened. It's getting fucking old.

>>714782541
>Name three from the base game you enjoyed that had their own arena that aren't maliketh, plasticsex, and radagon
Dragonkin are fun to fight.
Radahn 1 is pure ludo kino.
Elemer and all his miniboss encounters are extremely fun.
Morgott is one of the best fights From has ever made, and if anything he deserves more HP.

>>714793148
The open world benefits that by giving the player far more ability to choose how they approach fights.
The game being mostly open is what makes builds like bows/great bows so viable, because while you can make them good in a boss fight, their real boon is wiping out field bosses in a way that feels great.

>>714793148
>How so? What's so special about the encounters in ER? Can't wait to fight the ninth Tree Sentinel in a row.
You can approach them from all directions, force other enemies into the fight, and use the open world environement to your advantage.
>Okay, so why bother making it open world? The open world is filler, people grab shit for their build and fuck off towards the nearest legacy dungeon.
>Boring. Put the loot inside the linear levels and dungeons, hide them in secret areas if you have to, fixed.
But it's something new. Didn't you want From to experiment? Why do you want them to just make DS4?
>If you eat whatever FROM shits out, sure.
You seem to refuse fine cuisine insted, calling it shit when you can't understand it.
>Not literal zombies, I was criticizing FROM for once again making a game in a dying world set after anything interesting has happened. It's getting fucking old.
You killing all the demigods is a pretty big thing. SotE especially has a quest that's evolving right then and there with Miquella moving forward and you and the companions trying to keep up. It's not getting old, pulling out a happiness from misery is what these games are about.
>He's a Sekiro worshipper
Sekiro is a one time wond that shouldn't become From's mainline. I much prefer having a more RPG in my game.
>We're still rolling
YOU may be rolling. Rolling is the worst form of defense in ER.

>>714735293 (OP)
how new are you?
yeah it's pretty fucking good.

>dark souls > elden ring >everything else

>>714793148
>We're STILL rolling with no evolution in mechanics because they're sticking to the formula so fucking hard.
Correction: you are still rolling with no evolution in mechanics because you've deemed every other defensive and offensive option available to be cheese. Parrying the boss is cheese. Stance breaking the boss is cheese. Ducking and jumping attacks is cheese. Sprinting to avoid attacks is cheese. Using the deflecting tear is cheese. Using defense buffs is cheese. Ashes of war and magic are cheese. The Lands Between is actually just Wisconsin.

>>714783187
>posts worst waifu

I was surprised by elden ring. there's a reason it won goty

>>714735293 (OP)
Solid 7/10 but gets boring too quickly

elden ring is probably the best souls game. I played them all.

>>714736550
>soulsvets
if you increase your health you make the game easier, you aren't a vet you made the difficult meter set to easy mode. higher the health, the easier the game.

>adjusting head size changes the perceived size of your character
why did it take me this long to figure out

>DS1 NOSKILL BACKSTAB TRANNYS IN SHAMBLES
DS1 NOSKILL BACKSTAB TRANNYS IN SHAMBLES
>DS1 NOSKILL BACKSTAB TRANNYS IN SHAMBLES
DS1 NOSKILL BACKSTAB TRANNYS IN SHAMBLES
>DS1 NOSKILL BACKSTAB TRANNYS IN SHAMBLES
DS1 NOSKILL BACKSTAB TRANNYS IN SHAMBLES

>>714795993
>he doesnt level VIG because he plays in offline mode like a pussy and never had to deal with anything other than actual bots attacking him
lol, lmao

Why yes of course, assuming you chose the right ending, right anon?

>>714797235
Yeah I did Ranni's

I really can't understate how much having at least a bit in INT or FTH makes this game so much better.
Not only do you get the spells/buffs, you also have more of a reason to explore looking for them as well.

1st playthrough: pure INT moonlightsword
2nd: ARC/FTH twinblades
3rd: Rellana cosplay INT/FTH who can use every spell in the game well

Everyone I know IRL who bitched about "empty open world" were all Quality build retards who thought it was gonna be DS4

>>714735293 (OP)
Pretty good game if you haven't played Dark Souls 1. Otherwise, it's as always just more rollslop.

>>714794781
GRRM name carried it heavily.

>>714797562
>start souls series with bloodborne
>love it, play all the others except ds1/2
>boot up ds1 since how often i hear about the great world design and enemy placement
>its just a bunch of cramped hallways because the enemy AI is dogshit and easily backstabbed
>ugly as sin, requires either to play the nu-version or jump through 20 hoops to play the original
>combat is so slow it feels turn based
>can't pick which direction i roll
>tons of other QOL changes added to make the series better in later titles missing
idk why everyone deepthroats ds1 so hard, it kinda sucks ass, i couldnt make it through more than 2 hours without giving up out of boredom

>>714794332
> Rolling is the worst form of defense in ER.
People don't understand this enough.
Rolling is the biggest opportunity cost in terms of defense aside from being shield broken (IE you fucked up on a shield).
It takes the longest to start another action from especially if you don't want to just do a roll attack.

Rolling is the generic option it works in the majority of situations, which makes it a good fallback option.
But whenever another option is available rolling is outperformed.

>>714797823
>idk why everyone deepthroats ds1 so hard
>start souls series with bloodborne
there's your explanation. Pretty much every genre defining aspect of souls games was introduced in Dark Souls 1. Once you've played it, all the others feel like more of the same. Elden Ring's open world is actually more of a regression.

>>714798187
Regression started with Bloodborne but it was more or the less the same game as before.

>>714797093
the defensive assumptions right out of the gate?

show your health bar

>>714798343
its 60, like everyone else who fights other people

>>714794332
>You can approach them from all directions, force other enemies into the fight, and use the open world environement to your advantage.
I don't really find any of this interesting. Most enemies do not attack each other either.
>But it's something new. Didn't you want From to experiment? Why do you want them to just make DS4?
It's new, sure. But I didn't like the direction of it. Did I say I want them to make DS4? I said I just want tight level design and for it to be more linear. Strawman.
>You seem to refuse fine cuisine insted, calling it shit when you can't understand it.
I understand it perfectly fine, I simply don't like the direction they took and if this is what FROM is gonna be doing from now on I have no interest.
>You killing all the demigods is a pretty big thing. SotE especially has a quest that's evolving right then and there with Miquella moving forward and you and the companions trying to keep up. It's not getting old, pulling out a happiness from misery is what these games are about.
I didn't find it interesting. The NPC quest design is flawed. They teleport to locations on a massive map and only sometimes do they give hints on where they're headed. The quests themselves are hardly rewarding even when you see them through. Let's not forget a bunch of these were unfinished and not even functioning at launch. SoTE is even worse and you're not seeing the end of these questlines unless you use a guide.
>He's a Sekiro worshipper
How dare I praise the one game that actually tried something different. I'd hardly call it worship. It's not really a Souls game at the end of the day so whatever, seethe I guess.
>YOU may be rolling. Rolling is the worst form of defense in ER.
Nah I tried a shield for a bit and didn't really like it. I got the deflecting tear in SoTE and I'm left wondering why is that even a buff? Should be an actual mechanic and not an afterthought.

>>714798326
Well, you get the point. I should've probably used Demon's Souls instead of DaS1, but only the biggest autists were into DS and the real popularity started with DaS1, so I like to start there.

>>714794623
Where'd you pull that from? Where did I say every other method was cheese, anon? Rolling is the default option in most scenarios and you'd be delusional to think otherwise. I just want to see them get more creative with their combat honestly.

>>714735293 (OP)
Just killed the Tree Sentinel guy and feel like I have the biggest dick in the world right now. Katana and shield seem rather overpowered.

>>714756374
>>714758198
Have you tried going outside?

>>714797524
Quality build with a little bit of int and faith was probably the most fun run I've ever done. Could use practically any weapon I found except the arcane stuff, quality, cold, fire and lightning infusions, plus a good few useful low-cost spells. Always do a hybrid of some sort though. There's so many levels worth of content that there's really no reason to be single-stat outside of PVP builds for low level areas. I made a quality/int build that never stopped leveling through the DLC and by the end it was a comfortable 40/40/70 with fully invested vigor and healthy amounts of mind and endurance. I don't even know where all those points would go on a single stat build.

>>714735293 (OP)
It got me to like an open world game again so yeah. Plus the variety and ways you can either limit or break the game is incredible I keep replaying just to go through a playthrough with just one weapon alone. Kind of what I did back in BB except I can just get my friend to mule the weapon I want.

>>714736550
Personally I just can’t stand what ER represents in the community and souls series . Like it feels like Fromsoft went truly commercial with Elden Ring , what with it being open world and what not

>>714735293 (OP)
It's good but I like it a lot less than Demon's, DS1, DS3 and Bloodborne.
>the game just feels way too padded and bloated
>awful copy pasting
>most of the side dungeons are fucking garbage that only exist to waste your time
>the story and the lore are pure dogshit, the Zanzibart factor is unreal
>nonsensical and easy to miss npc quests
>feels like the boss animations and desgins have far outgrown what the Souls formula was meant for, and yet the player is still stuck with those slower, old mechanics and camera

>>714735293 (OP)
No, Bloodborne, Sekiro and Ds1 were more iconic.

>>714735293 (OP)
Why do you post this over and over and over and over and over and over?

>>714800117
All of these can easily apply to the previous entries.

>>714800147
Bloodborne is just Dark Souls 1 but shitty and Sekiro is another shittier qte action game like Ninja Blade.

>>714800267
The previous games aren’t nearly as padded or bloated as ER because they aren’t open world. All of the entries have copy pasted bosses, but it’s most noticeable in ER, once again, because the world is larger so they have to add more enemies and bosses to compensate, leading to repetition. There aren’t really many dungeons in previous games, and certainly not nearly as many as ER since they’re splattered all over the map. Story and lore for DS and bb are great, sekiro too. It’s almost impossible to miss the quests for dark souls and other souls games because they’re much smaller, so running into the npc’s at the right time and figuring out what to do was a much simpler task. Not to mention they made perfect sense. Bosses in er are extremely agile and aggressive and aren’t on par with the mechanics the game gives you in terms of movement and game speed. I still don’t get how people deal with bosses like Malenia

>>714798498
you're playing on easy mode, the higher it is the more mistakes are allowed and you're lying to yourself.

>>714801084
>"playing on easy mode"
>he's fighting AI from 15 years ago because he's scared of bad red man

>>714764937
whatever the quality of these areas, the game is just too long
game should have ended in leyndell

>>714802441
you're like the people who complained nu-bladerunner was too long
you wouldn't get it

>>714735293 (OP)
It made me finally realize I'm just not into whatever Souls is anymore. I've been chasing the high I got from DS1 and Miyazaki is never going to give me that high again. Instead, he's going to just keep making his games bigger and faster, give his bosses more weird delayed attack animations and AoEs, and never take any meaningful steps outside of his comfort zone ever.

The lack of any sort of functional town or NPC encampment in the open world is really egregious. It's just way too obvious they had no ideas at all beyond "what if we made Dark Souls with huge open spaces?" No bosses that roam (somehow, they haven't been able to achieve this since they first tried in DS1), no enemies that take advantage of the big open spaces, no interesting uses for horse combat, nothing but crafting. That's it.

And somehow, despite the involvement of GRRM, it's the most incoherent and retarded lore they've ever had. I'm tired of this shit.

>>714764937
Mountaintops is that bad. It adds LITERALLY nothing new except Fire Giant which actually makes the game worse. It's just boring padding and cheapens previous content by copy and pasting it.

>>714803992
>complains game isnt ds1+n
>criticizes people for not leaving their comfort zone
the absolute delusion of ds1fags

>>714804238
Miyazaki is only capable of making one game, and he somehow seems to get worse at making the same game every time he does it.

>>714804681
ds1 sucks and is a tedious slog to play through

>>714804783
And Elden Ring is a bigger, sloppier slog without the charm the early Souls games had. At least in Dark Souls, Miyazaki had ideas for fights beyond 'what if this guy raises his sword in the air and holds for a second before attacking?'.

>>714804783
Well you can play through it fairly quickly unlike ER where you have to travel and travel and travel.

>>714805351
Dark Souls 1 is a smaller, uglier slog without the charm of being fun like later Souls games had. Miyazaki had ideas for fights beyond 'what if you circle straffed this boss and hit r1 after he does a big attack?'

>>714735293 (OP)
kekaroo

>>714805663
Moonlight Butterfly is more creative than any fight in Elden Ring.

Please help!
I watched a plot summary of the game out of boredom and now I've developed a crush on Miquella.
Is the game worth buying and playing for this reason or do you think my crush will have died by the time I've purchased the DLC and gotten to promised consort radahn?
I've played the other souls games, but I never beat Gael or kos and the erdtree bosses look more difficult than both of those.

Are there any bosses in ER that even have ads? I can't remember.

>>714806225
Elden Ring will train you to beat those harder bosses. The hardest bosses aren't so bad once you've slain everything in the lands between

>>714735293 (OP)
It's easily the best game From have ever made. Anyone who argues otherwise is a delusional nostalgiafag.
The only aspect of game design it came up short in is the OST.
Any other, the bosses, the scale and quality of the major dungeons, the environmental storytelling, the depth and independent agencies of the NPC's, the iconography, landmarks, and geographic design of the world, combat etc. It's all fucking phenomenal. Incremental, sure, but refined and expanded to an alchemical perfection all the same.
Elden Ring is literally the fabled game where the stars somehow all aligned and convened in such a way where it was possible for From to produce quantity and quality on an unforeseen scale, without it all unravelling catastrophically like in Dark Souls or Bloodborne's latter halves.
The story is the same old bullshit that you arrived way too late to see in its prime, but the existence of the Shardbearers and palpability of their factions wreaking havoc as you progress means it feels far less rarefied and ancient than Dark Souls games. Elden Ring's NPC's, which feel significantly more anchored to the setting than that of their previous games, also aid massively in imbuing the locales and factions with a sense of importance and culture that's not mostly drawn from convoluted times or only-mentioned places.
It's not hard to see that GRRM's involvement actually had a positive effect on their narrative design principles.
With the expansion, there's really no contest.
If you seriously think, with bosses as an example, that a game with:
>Margit, Godrick, Rennala, Starscourge Radahn, Ancestral Spirit, Astel, Morgott, Fortissax, Rykard, Mohg, Malenia, Fire Giant, Placidusax, Maliketh, Godfrey, Radagon, Dancing Lion, Rellana, Putrescent Knight, Messmer, Gaius, Scadutree Avatar, Romina, Promised Consort, Metyr, Midra, Bayle
Is somehow lesser than any of the Dark Souls games, then basically, you're fucking stupid.

>>714806105
Tibia mariner

>>714806838
Ok and how many hours of horse riding does it take for me to reach Maliketh or Bayle?

>>714806225
Don't bother. Miquella doesn't even show up at all in the game until halfway through the PCR boss fight where he says a line about Radahn and that's it.

Why the fuck is this game open world? Why the fuck does it have crafting?

>>714806793
Do you think it's worth it though? When the game came out I hated how popular it got and refused to play it because I was tired of the souls formula, but since yesterday I've been hopelessly in love and I'm afraid that if I purchase the game and my crush on Miquella dies somewhere in the middle of my playthrough I'll go back to how I felt about the game when it came out and then I'll have yet another unbeaten game and my money wasted.

>>714808206
>Do you think it's worth it though?
I had a crush on Miquella and no, it's not worth it. He's not even a character in the game and the writing in the DLC is obviously slapped together without much thought.

>>714807417
Funny you mention the horse riding, since that's another part of the game From seemingly effortlessly aced without any experience designing open worlds or horse-based movement systems in Souls beforehand. Mount-riding is either often notoriously janky or rudimentary in open world RPG's, so it's even more commendable that Torrent is as smooth as graceful to control as it is. It really casts an even loftier shadow on the seething western developers who were throwing Twitter tantrums during ER's release window.
Torrent:
>Can be used with every weapon in game
>Has a fully mobile double-jump mechanic that permits for sudden sharp turns mid-leap
>Can be summoned or banished in a split second and mix-and-matched in field combat scenarios
>Provides a valuable tool for ascending the open terrain and geography, alongside traversing with haste
It's downright miraculous how well they pulled it off.
From really does just come off as the well-meaning blind person that somehow flawlessly executes an olympic gymnastic routine through sticking to the basic principles he knows, while his contemporaries seethe and blunder.

>>714806838
>Elden Ring is literally the fabled game where the stars somehow all aligned and convened in such a way where it was possible for From to produce quantity and quality on an unforeseen scale, without it all unravelling catastrophically like in Dark Souls or Bloodborne's latter halves
Yeah as much as I nitpick Elden Ring with it's copy pasted ruins, reuse of bosses in nonsensical ways (why is Godrick in a random Evergoal in Altus Plateau? lol), etc it is still clearly one of the finest AAA games ever made and it's incredible how massive the scale of the game is and how consistent the quality is. While the Mountaintops is a low point, it's nowhere near as bad as something like Lost Izalith.

>>714808894
When something is easy it's just boring. Margit is my most played fight simply because it's the first boss and replaying the game is boring. I have some savepoints on other bosses too and purposely never beat the boss, like Mogh Palace. But don't you see how boring it is to travel and travel for hours just to reach the good bits?

>>714735293 (OP)
No.
Its boring the open woeld is empthy and didnt offer anythinf that a typical fromsoft game didnt already do besides adding tedium.
Mon battles suck and you get sniped from 10 km afar outside your view.
Tge only reason thjs blew up cause casuals/normies wantedbto give other compabies a middle finger.
Seriously i never heard a legit argument why its supposes to be good besides the basic bitch "it has a lot of content" which wasnt really more and probaly even less then other open world games releasing earlier.

>>714741424
Nah man ds1 had the best world design.
Unlinearity in the first half was oeak and how it was cinnected togheter was masterfulky done.
Ds3 made it a linear slop.
ER tried being unlinear but ended up being a lamer version of it then ds1.

>>714808894
Yeah, the 'ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO USE A FLASK TO REVIVE TORRENT?' prompt that appears every time you try to summon him after he dies was Fromsoft acing it.

>>714810650
The anti soul fog...

>>714809449
>travel for hours just to reach the good bit
Can people actually be honest about the issue?
You can go across the length of the entire base game in well less than 30 minutes.
You are at no point 'traveling for hours to reach the good bit', most legacy dungeons are a few minutes from each other.

Just say you don't like the downtime between legacy dungeons or that you only care about the legacy dungeons and not any of the field bosses/forts/other dungeons/unique locations in the overworld.

>>714810787
bruh its literally called the mistwood...

>>714808657
Alright then, maybe I should listen to you. I feel kind of ashamed of liking a character from a game I haven't played, especially one with the 'git gud' mentality of this one, but I feel like there's a huge chance of regret if I go along with it.
I'll wait a while and if the feeling persists I'll consider pirating the game.

>>714808657
I hate how we can never see and talk to him like normal... Fuck i love him

Elden ring is supposed to be a new creative masterpiece yet everything i saw from it i saw from other sozls games already.
Do people think just because you made something open world it means its a masterpiece if youre not on the bad side of gaming like EA or Ubisoft?

>>714810864
I am with you that ER bosses feel more engaging. But I've tried "speedrunning" both games just to feed my own curiosity. And with ER I got bored way faster because there is just so much of doing nothing but holding left stick.

Sure you do a lot of that in both games but in ER the scale is much bigger, like this isn't an opinion, it's just how it is. And if you want to pick up certain upgrades, mats or weapons on the way you need to zigzag here and there while you pass every enemy on horse with ease like it's just mind numbing experience.

>>714811302
>Elden ring is supposed to be a new creative masterpiece
who said this?

>>714810864
Its true tho.
It is hlurs of horse riding because you go everywhere to grab an item then go on some random dungoen go to npcs for certain shit then travel to bosses.
This game sucks.

>>714807792
Cause normies want it.

>>714806838
Okay normie you just jerked this game off besides telling an actual reason why its supposed to be good.
Most shit is the same as in other souls games and the bosses are as easy as the other ones.

>>714793148
>Linear shit
Damn, shame on all of you.
I miss ds1 style of level design where the world was interesting and connected.

>>714807792
The crafting is good, though. It's not like a roundabout upgrade system or anything like that, it's all good adventurer type "throw some shit together to help solve the problem in front of you" stuff.

>>714798713
Seikiro is a game i highly respect cause it tried to be original and was good in it.
I dont like not counting it to the family just because its not the same slop.

>>714793148
DS2 was peak.
People got filtered by an actual difficult game.

>>714783187
>Tiran content game
Wow so much content with all those reused bosses enemies and those empthy fields.
Is that what you consider "lots of content).

>>714811536
See that's a different issue though.
That isn't
>traveling for hours just to reach the good bits
That is trying to 'speedrun', which by its nature is going to have you ignore a lot of what you can engage with just to go and collect important items for speeding up runs.

This isn't an issue most people are going to come across when playing the game because they won't be playing the game like this.

>>714811573
>you go everywhere to grab an item then go on some random dungoen go to npcs for certain shit then travel to bosses.
You can just fast travel to overwhelmingly shorten that.
Reaching a dungeon takes a few minutes from your nearest checkpoint and is a small fraction of the time compared to actually going through the dungeon.

>>714796726
What does this mean?
Do some NPCs react to it or what?

>>714736553
ah so they maintained the core audience

>>714797524
I wish all casting didn't end up being 80% melee of some sort, because there are so many fun Sorceries and Incantations in the game that I'm super inclined to go INT/FTH, but I know I need my STR/DEX points for actually killing stuff.

>>714773454
Meanwhile darksouls is better

>>714812756
>Fast travel to areas i have never been
Smartest elden normie

>>714812536
>DS2
>difficult
The only thing difficult about DS2 is the rampant abuse of anor londo black knight on perilously thin walkway tier encounters, something it also shares with Elden Ring.

>>714813012
Learn to read.
Fast travel to the closest point and then it should never take more than a few minutes to get there.

>>714758394
I would love to play nightreign if i had a friend who also played it.

>>714804207
The worst parts of any Souls games are wilderness levels where you're just shoved in some woodland or open terrain with a bunch of hard enemies, but they keep doing it.
Zero level design and navigation becomes a chore.

>>714813152
>Fast travel to the nearest point you have to travel first to do it
You still need to travel there retard

>>714813816
And again you idiot you're never more than a few minutes from the nearest point you could fast travel to to wherever you currently need to go.
The only exception is if you're replaying the game and deliberately skipping out large sections of the game.

it's just souls again but the bosses are stupider than ever
can't wait for the next souls asset flip with even stupider bosses. I'm sure they can find a way. maybe another phase or two.

>>714813070
Scholar is oeak souls gameplay.
I never needed to be as strategic and diverse with my weapons to beat all the enemies as in this game.
Fuck that game was peak.

>>714814037
>Just travel through the neareat points first
>Have to travel first till i can use warp meaning i still walk for hours and do nothing
>Somehow i dont travel when i travel
Normkes are still retardwd

>>714811105
If I ever run into Miyazaki I'm going to hit him in the face for denying us any meaningful interactions with Miquella or an ending with him. Especially as hard as he forced interactions with Ranni, it feels incredibly cheap.

>>714814317
> i still walk for hours and do nothing
There is no point in posting when you're being this disingenous.

Its interesting in that its a souls game but it really doesn't want the player to just play a souls game, so it gives you all these gay annoying gimmicks like ashes and magic and weapon arts and shit
>But those existed previously
Never were they so easily accessible and overtuned. Even a pure strength build ends the game with some magic shot, and bosses are clearly designed with this shit in mind

>>714812756
Well I am "speedrunning" because it's just boring to run around and walk the same basic bitch enemies over and over again even though I can just walk past them.

>>714814469
>Miquella
Faggots deserved to be skinned alive and boiled. I would just punch his fat face for ruining Melina and alot of other crap he scrapped in his previous games until he's a bloody mess.

>>714814824
So you're just running from boss to boss?
Again that's not how most people are going to play the game and if that's how you're going to asses things then give that same treatment to the other games your pretending to compare it too.

>>714814469
In a just world, they would use the Tarnished edition due to release for the Switch 2 as an excuse to do the following:
>Add a Miquella-aligned ending
>Give base-game NPC's (specifically Ofnir) some new dialogue related to the expansion
>Malenia full on psycho-bitch rematch after learning we killed Miquella/Radahn
>Reveal Boc as the Gloam Eyed Queen, just like Vaati said
Were they to do something like this, it wouldn't be the first time. DS2 added Aldia in the Scholar of the First Sin edition release.
Alas, this is not a just world.

it's the unironic game of games. the things it does well it does the best, and the things that it doesn't do as well as other games shouldn't be done in games to begin with so it doesn't matter.

>>714811061
God i love miquella so much.
His voice his female looks.
I wanna jerk him off as my queen.
But in the actual game we barely ever see him.
Its so fucking stupid dude.
Like why did they make him a guy as well.
This game just cucks you out of a

>>714735293 (OP)
of course not

>>714814101
the ambiance sure, otherwise its mostly just let me bottleneck these 20 enemies through this doorway/tunnel

>>714815196
Well after I've beat the game once or twice it just feels like such a roleplay to stop fight every enemy. It would be fine if the game wasn't SO LONG but it's still long even without them.

>>714810782
skill issue

>>714815260
>It does well it does the best.
A total amount of 0 things.
Empthy words from people who actually have no point in favor of this game.

>>714815475
i don't care what you think

Kill everyone who likes this liquid shit of a game and the other slop entries besides 1.

>>714815207
>>Reveal Boc as the Gloam Eyed Queen, just like Vaati said
I can't even tell if this is a meme

People calling the open world empty are retarded. It's filled to the brim with trash mobs that won't let you ride 2 minutes without being unmolested, garbage items not worth picking up and minibosses without any meaningful rewards for defeating them.

>>714815393
> to stop fight every enemy
What do you want to fight?
Just the bosses, then yeah its going to be a pain because the game is not at all designed for you to boss rush the whole process.
But are you not going to fight the enemies in the legacy dungeons, not even full clearing the dungeons but just killing the enemies on the way you take?
Or some of the field bosses that aren't going to repeat if you just focus on legacy dungeons?

>>714797880
Honestly i prefer risking a shield break, at least i know i'll be still.

>>714735293 (OP)
It's pretty cool overall

Unironically one of the best games released within the past 20 years

>>714815743
Wow just like how all of the levels in dark souls are!

>>714815867
I excluded shield break because it can be situational.
Sometimes its fine but against some enemies (IE npcs) they will crit you.

i can't believe how many people got licked by this game and are still malding over it years later. probably stings even more now that nightreign is the most popular game and even girls are good at it

Do you reckon Marika and Rennala ever used the two-fingers to pet and caress their big cheesy feet?
In accordance to the occult alchemical lore Elden Ring drew its inspiration from, the existence of the two fingers implies an existence of the one thumb, and thus the whole foot. Do you reckon the wandering nobles of the capital, bereft purpose and lost of wits, are so drained of vitality because they lack a plenitude of enlarged and bloated purpling toes to scratch against like feverish purring cats as the outer god of clammy-footskin subtly divines them with its maddening ciphers?
Could the Gloam-Eyed Queen be this Tri-toed beast of myth?

>>714815584
You replied you cared:)

>>714798713
>I don't really find any of this interesting.
>But I didn't like the direction of it.
>I simply don't like the direction they took
>I didn't find it interesting.
So you didn't like it and think it's objectively bad, got it.
>How dare I praise the one game that actually tried something different.
Exactly. It's different. It's not a soulslike. From made Elden Ring for soulslike enjoyers, since Sekiro is still pretty recent and doesn't need a followup so soon.
>Nah I tried a shield for a bit and didn't really like it.
So if you don't like rolling and you don't like shields, what do you even like? Tanking+healing? Because that's stronger than ever in Elden Ring.

>>714815629
Based.

>>714735293 (OP)
I'll tell you this: you definitely spam i-frame roll a bunch and ride a horse around a big empty map for a good long while. It definitely has those two things, for sure.

What are some fun builds you've made? For me, it was the northern warrior build. Both the the short spear and hand axe were super fun to use. Damage is kinda ass without infusing them with cold, though.

>>714815629
/thread

>>714816682
>a big empty map
I bet you like OOT too

>>714735293 (OP)
Yes, I keep coming back to it

>>714815784
Well I want to have fun. Fighting bosses is more fun. Or going through designed challenges. A big wide open area with mobs sparsely here and there isn't that.

>>714815426
Forced menu prompts interrupting my inputs in an action game is retarded design. I can be bad at video games and still play video games that are good.

demons souls is a better game, tighter, actual good level design, not a fucking slog and not copy pasted bosses repeating 5 times
elden ring was OK and had hints of a great game but literal copy paste layouts and bosses to pad out the lack of content and lack of creativity . maps/ layouts/ levels are all garbage too

>>714815274
Same, but
>Like why did they make him a guy as well.
This is a good thing.

>>714817783
>not a fucking slog
I recently played Demon's Souls after playing DS 1, 2, 3, Sekiro and Elden Ring
Demon's souls was easily the "sloggiest" game out of any FROM game I've ever played. Almost every boss has a gigantic fucking runback and of those bosses a good portion were gimmick bosses who you aren't supposed to beat the first time around unless you luck into the solution.

>>714817783
Stormveil shits all over Boletaria.

>>714816749
Dragon Cultist with Occult Beast Claws as backup, feel great and you also have access to a lot of other incantations.

>>714816749
Elden John build.

>>714735293 (OP)
Not quite, but nothing ever does. It is still very good imo.

>>714818082
>wah i have to run back to the boss, so therefor elden ring with checkpoints right outside the boss is totally not a slog!
lol you are just a casual who wants a boss rush game not a open world rpg
>>714818296
no it really doesnt
Boletaria layout is god tier and the progress and unlocking shortcuts vs stormveil which is just giant hole in wall

>>714819239
Yeah good to know I knew I was right
Keep trolling brother

>>714818546
>int/fth hybrid got their own weapons or even smithscript shit
>no fth/arcane weapon
This shit tick me off so bad, having to use an occult weapon instead of utilizing both stats.

>>714817573
So go through the mobs of a legacy dungeon, not full clearing it just through the specific path you take.
Go fight some of bosses you don't fight by just doing legacy dungeons like the Bellbearing hunter, Tree Sentinel, Fallingstar beast, Night Cavalry, Death Rite bird, Black knife assassin.
Do some of the more focused mini dungeons like any of the hero's graves, castle sol, the subterenian shunning groudns Liurnia's divine tower, Caria manor, one of the ancient city's any of the dlc catacombs/caves,.

That will notably cut travel time between points of interest and make it feel at lot less empty than just ignoring everything that isn't a legacy dungeon.

>>714812110
I'd like to clarify that's what I meant, an interconnected world but still fairly linear. DS1 level design is kino, it's like a metroidvania in that regard. I shouldn't have worded it that way.

This game is so long that I get tired of playing it before I even really start. I don't understand how some people have the patience to play it over and over again with different builds.

>>714820073
Doing all that just means that I have to deviate from my path more. And with most stuff being optional it's just like... Why am I even fighting anything. It's just a sandbox for roleplaying.

>>714816509
Anon no, I don't think it's objectively bad, I just don't enjoy many aspects about ER. I'd be a raging autist to tell you that you're not allowed to enjoy a game I didn't, so we'll agree to disagree. I found it meh but I'm glad you enjoyed it. I will concede that the game is pretty fun in Limgrave and Stormveil Castle.

Didn't play it until last year and I'm genuinely bummed I'll never get to experience everything for the first time again.

>>714820992
Again what do you want?
You said you want to fight bosses or go through designed challenges.
I gave you a list of some of them outside of the legacy dungeons.

Most of these don't even require you deviating notably from your path as you can do them on the way between legacy dungeons
To give a direct example
>Bell bearing hunter on the path to Stormveil from spawn
>Death Rite bird directly in between Stormveil and the academy
>Tree sentinel in the direct path to Leyndell
>Night cavalry in the path through the forbidden lands
>Hero's grave near the entrance to Leyndell and on the path through the mountaintops
>Shunnin grounds literally inside a forced legacy dungeon
>Castle sol needed to reach the haliqtree and near the mountain tops path you need to go through being a few minutes detour at most
That's a set of additional things to do that are in the direct path you need to go through anyway

>>714735324
>>714804207
Mountaintops is only bad in comparison to the rest of the game and that it's full of reused content. In contrast to the latter half of ds1 where most of the game is outwardly hostile and actively unfun to play

>>714823170
>Mountaintops is only bad in comparison to the rest of the game
No, the cancer that is the peak with the birds and dogs and hands is just outright awful. Like they felt compelled to cram as much cancer into one spot as possible.

I kill everything in a normal playthrough of DS1, even the Lost Izalith butts, even the drakes, but even I can't be fucked to kill everything in that shithole area.

I just beat morgott the omen king, how much left of the game have i got? i think i'm near the end now

>>714820715
>I don't understand how some people have the patience to play it over and over again with different builds.
When you have a good build planned that gets dripfed stuff throughout the game, it makes it just actually fun to do the content. Always things to work towards, new stuff to try, even the repeated boss fights don't play the same because your kit is different for each of them. If you're just using the same couple of things for 50-100 hours straight of course it gets boring.

>>714823432
Pretty close to the end.
There aren't any big areas left to explore the rest of the game is mostly a straightforward line to the end.
That said there is one forced legacy dungeon, one optional legacy dungeon and quite a few forced boss fights left to go.

>>714823602
game isn't as big as i thought then, i'm only 40 hours in so far

>>714735324
I feel like this is where a lot of people feel a sudden sense of burnout. You finally make it to the Erdtree, you finally have a great full-circle final duel with Morgott, and then you're told you're not done and there's a sense of anticlimax.

Plus outside of major bosses it's where the rest of the game feels like they start to fill everything up with things we've pretty much already seen before. More finger creepers that now do a stupid amount of damage? More of the same mini-dungeon bosses? Yet another dragon? etc.

>>714823432
There's a snow zone, another optional snow zone, an optional tree branch+plague zone, a sky city with dragons, and then a return to the capital that has you fight 3 or 4 bosses.
>>714823781
Took me 110 hours but I went everywhere and got all of the achievements.

>>714823781
Well it really depends on how much you decide to do.
There's a surprising amount of optional caves/mini dungeons on the way.
Plus there's a chance you might not have done some of the stuff you already had access to before killing the omen king that can also take a while (IE going through Leyndell sewers, all the ancient cities)

IIRC it took me about 100 hours in total doing most things (AFAIK I only missed one npc quest)

>>714735293 (OP)
I expected Dark Souls 4 with a horse
it was so much more, god I wish I could play it again blind, that first month was pure bliss dude

it has a lot of flaws, I know them all
but I fucking love this game

>>714735324
well to be fair once you reach that point you can beat the game pretty quick and you should have your build pretty much completed by then

>>714751335
Thrusting Swords are legit one of the best weapon types in ER.

>>714754982
Zoomers apperantly have a mental breakdown being forced to do something more than once. Imagine not liking boss run-backs after upgrading your character lvl/gear.

>>714765923
I keep hearing people make this comment regarding FromSoft games, but I sincerely don't even know what alternative you fags would want. You sincerely want to go back to Oblivion style combat where you wiffleball bat each other to death and pause-heal by chugging 50 potions when your health gets low with zero risk aversion needed? Do you just want to mindlessly tank hits because you arbitrarily increased your armor #? Imagine playing an action game where dodging/parrying/blocking is seen as a bad thing, because you have nothing else to offer for criticism.

>>714739573
>>714740357
This

>live up to the hype

How can you get hyped for any souls game when surely by now you are just running the exact same build, combat, gameplay that's existed since dark souls 1?

Like you just hear "new souls game" and play it, from bloodbourne to dark souls 3 to demons souls its the exact same fucking game.

>>714797524
90% of non-magic users are retards that couldn't figure out that the crafting system literally existed so they could be THE most busted shit imaginable, and most of them are so crater brain retarded they never once engaged with it because it was, "different from Dark Sovls."

Boring as fuck for me and I got bored 37 hours in. Just riding around empty places looking at the same rocks and ruins over and over again. My stupid ass spent like 15 of that getting beat up at Caelid just to learn it's an optional area. By the time I left I was OP for the other areas. The open world does nothing for this game, it's just a gimmick and time-waster.

>>714798187
>Pretty much every genre defining aspect of souls games was introduced in Dark Souls 1.
Literal fucking tourist. Dark Souls 1 is one of the worse games in the series that offered almost NOTHING new or original.

>>714735293 (OP)
It was one of the greatest games ever made. Screenshot this and check again in 10 years if everyone is still jerking it off.

>>714806105
Moonlight Butterfly dies in under a minute and the entire boss is avoiding slow moving beams of magic (assuming the boss can even get one of them off efficiently).

>>714810782
>jumping is the safest defensive tool at your disposal
>Torrent gets a double jump at no cost
>Still getting hit
Wtf?

>>714812110
DS1 world is not interesting, it's the exact same shit as Elden Ring. No idea why you lot are easily impressed by linear paths that loop around each other with an elevator or ladder being kicked down, but that shit also exists in Elden Ring as well.

>>714813816
And it takes 30sec to get there. You can run from one edge of the world map to the other in less than 30min.

>>714828951
Yes that's what a real RPG is like not rollslop.

>>714830753
So the people who hate ER are Bethedafags and bitter Dark Souls "vets" who only want to circle strafe enemies to death. Checks the fuck out. Continue to die as an irrelevant breed.

It didn't live up to the hype because despite this game being so fuckhuge + dlc, you don't get OrmaReeves shields, or the door shield.

>>714735293 (OP)
I was disappointed when I played it 3 years ago. I was expecting much more than just DS3 x 3 considering it took nearly 7 years to make.

>>714735293 (OP)
I started co-oping last week with a buddy, no one of us touching it before nor knowing anything about it:
Yes. Yes it does.
We're lvl ~80, just started Altus Plateau, 60h+ played and we just discovered we've seen maybe ~40% of the world map (and we still have some shit left to do in in Caelid & Liurnia). Pretty cool game.

>>714735293 (OP)
the first time playing blind, yes.
otherwise no, I can't stand the open world design of smithing stone mines and chalice dungeons on endless repeat. the legacy dungeons are good at least

>>714816749
I've finished the game 6 times but still had the most fun with pirate bro

>>714829156
In DS3 and BB
Gameplay with a weapon like the straightsword/saw cleaver
>Dodge attack wait for big openings then r1 spam/transformation attack spam.
No reason to do anything outside of that, aside from parrying, as its going to be the best option pretty much all the time

In ER with a straightsword you
>Use ash of war on big openings to build stance damage
>Use roll attacks mid strings to maintain stance damage
>Use jump attacks and jump heavies on attacks that can be jumped or low profiled
>Use r1 on any other situation where there isn't enough time for the ash of war
>r1 chains replace ash of war spam if you want to apply a status effect

It's a world of difference feeling like I should be using my whole kit and try to figure out where I can squeeze every single attack I can to get more consistent stance breaks.
Versus waiting a boss attack out and spamming r1 on their recovery rinse and repeat.

>>714797093

it was really fun but i have absolutely 0 desire for a second playthrough or even the DLC. just sounds too tedious.

>>714834987
The second playthrough is when a game actually succeeds or fails as a game. First playthroughs are just novelty.

>>714831705
Looks fucking sick

>>714820715
>I don't understand how some people have the patience to play it over and over again with different builds.
I keep trying to do new runs with different weapons but eventually I just kind of lose interest at some point. It's like the journey to gen the weapons I want is more fun than actually going through the whole game with them.

PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP