What is modern video game development such a disaster?

normies got involved

>>714868151 (OP)
Bidens game industry

>>714868151 (OP)
desu

Greedy boomers and mega corporations are the ones making them, the small business game studio doesn't exist anymore.

And they're hiring millennial, so there is no talent to speak of.

AI is about to free gaming from it's corporate masters. I can't wait for the indie gaming renaissance.

this isn’t even a gaming specific problem, every industry is running into high costs and slow sales

>>714868151 (OP)
Because game graphics and worlds have reached the point of diminishing returns, and corpos don't seem to want to stop.

>>714868151 (OP)
If this anon is right: >>714868837
then it just means the people working at those companies don't give a shit whether the game comes out or sells well, and all they care is that they're getting paid. That means a long dev time = people stay employed longer. It's only when the game comes out and bombs, that people are fired. The employees are milking the company, essentially.

>>714868920
This. But also there is an emerging trend of unintelligent reactionaries. So these uninspired design by committee games are released over half a decade after the prevailing trends have been supplanted.

>>714869029
Corpos create bland, safe games because that's what they think can recoup the investment.
Given that creating AAA games costs more than ever, you can't afford to take risks.

The sad thing is that tremendous success of GTA6 will make suits even retarded with money instead of finally making a stop and revaluating their approach to production and the market.

that's every industry. Movie industry probably being a closer comparison to games. Big budgets for movie that expect high return at the box office. Even needing $1 billion to break even even though there has only ever be over 50 movies that have done that. If you adjust for inflation there might be more on that list but we are talking actually hitting $1 billion within their respective box office at the time. They shouldn't have gotten rid of the AA market which could be used as a buffer to support such long production times. You can't survive in an industry where just one mistake can cost you a whole studio. There's something that can be made between FOTM low effort games and AAA. You just gotta get back to basics and make it all work again like it used to. Not saying it's going to be easy but it's better than the alternative.

>>714869282
>You just gotta get back to basics and make it all work again like it used to.

Do you work in an office? This is such corpo speak garbage. There's no "making it work like it used to". The problem with games is that even if you made a game as good as one from 20 years ago, it's still competing with every game that already exists. That's the real problem with this industry. That's why they keep trying to make something better; New games are competing with existing games.

focusing on the wrong things, too much open world slop that's still somehow less detailed and feature-rich than games from over a decade ago.

>>714869736
>open world slop

I didn't understand what people meant by that until I played Rebirth. Imagine WoW world quests in a single player game, and that's what the "content" of this game is like. It has no respect for the player.
Lots of Japanese games have content that doesn't affect the story (Yakuza, for example), but they're still not copy paste shit like FF7 Rebirth. It's so low quality.

>>714869282
AA has it hard right now because nobody wants to fund AA games.

>>714869969
>Imagine WoW world quests in a single player game
that's every open world game anon
mmo quests and collectibles map

>>714869969
have you not played Ubisoft games in the last decade? Their formula stagnated by 2013.

>>714868151 (OP)
Line go upenomics promised that more money in = more money out.

>>714870094
>have you not played Ubisoft games in the last decade?

No... but I did play Witcher 3 and that game getting praise from everyone may have started the problem.

>>714868151 (OP)
>Consolidation
Fuck you. Retards don't remember EA shutting down studios to hoard IPs.

>>714870153
yeah
i played witcher 3 cause i'm a fan and after like 1/4th of the game i ignored every single marker on the map

>>714868151 (OP)
Some nice threads about the issue, and it's bottom up and top down issues.

1. AAA budgets keep bloating due to new hardware and higher graphical demands.
2. Cost cutting measure is to fire everyone after a few years so no one gains seniority (see image).
3. Results in no one knowing anything, so everyone has to use Unreal engine, rather than in-house engines that might be more appropriate for the game.
4. Leads to MORE BLOAT and hardware requirements.
5. Diversity mandates leads to more clueless people being hired.
6. Diversity hires don't care about games, but are addicted to twitter and exercize the power they do have to fill the game with the "right" kind of messaging to impress their peers.
7. They conspire to justify their paychecks, and that more people like themselves need to be hired since they know their jobs are perilous, and the job market is shit. More idiots being hired. The kinds of people who rise up are those who know how to game the system, not talented people.
8. Mega-corps treat IPs like copper or steel, and it's just a resource you can extract and continually grow. Creative endeavours require creativity, not just endless sequels. These IPs started as small experimental games, but as the budgets increase lack of creativity.
9. Leads to a paint by numbers approach, 500+ dev teams.

Result: 5 years in and nothing is done and everyone is planning or running around. 3 more years needed for outsourcing. Game comes out and needs a gorrillion sales to justify it's budget. It's also ugly and filled with ugly nogs no one asked for.

Companies at least are getting wise how stupid this is, with them mass cancelling projects that were 5 years into production with nothing to show for it with Concord being the obvious trigger.

>>714869153
>Given that creating AAA games costs more than ever, you can't afford to take risks.
y-yeah they can't afford to take risks and that's exactly why they are shitting out all kinds of super risky super expansive gaas games that are destined to fail
makes sense

>>714870228
>i played witcher 3 cause i'm a fan and after like 1/4th of the game i ignored every single marker on the map

I played Witcher 2 and got every achievement, and I was very satisfied. It was like playing Silent Hill 2 and wanting to see all the endings. Those two games have meaningful content, and Witcher 3 was like padding so the game seemed super long. I liked Gwent, but the map markers were copy pasted shit.

>>714870272

>>714868151 (OP)
Modern development is a disaster because their strategies are to follow the current trend.
Games that took too long to jump on the battle royale train are now having to redesign the game to fit around extraction looters.
None of it is trying to exist on it's own, they're trying to fit into the current "category" and become competitive within that rather than in general.

>>714868151 (OP)
because the CEOs are fucking retarded and never get kicked out for their failure but rewarded instead.

>>714870296
They do it because they think they can hit the jackpot, and because if you do hit the jackpot with GaaS, you become really, really rich and can afford to not create another game for at least a decade. See Epic Games and Rockstar Games.

>>714870272
>muh hardware
Just say you're poor no need to write a novel holy fuck.

>>714868151 (OP)
skilled developers got priced out of their position and replaced with low skill workers

>>714868151 (OP)

>>714870454
>if you do hit the jackpot with GaaS, you become really, really rich and can afford to not create another game for at least a decade

That's what happened with Valve. The top played games on Steam are made by Valve, which is funny. Valve won because Gabe is smarter than everyone else, and other companies trying to copy them is a recipe for failure. Only gachas are competing with Valve because Steam doesn't reach smartphones.

i miss 8-10 hour single player games

>>714868445
same as it ever was

Most developers nowadays are lazy ineffecient retards that routinely vandalize and shut down games I own against my consent.
The whole industry can burn and I will only notice it for the sake of mocking it.

Good ideas I cared about were affected by layoffs but I still want more layoffs.
I want all developers laid off. Fuck these people. Corporations run video games now because of their truly spineless behavior. They can get fucked.

>>714869153
>Corpos create bland, safe games
except that's not true at all
no one has ever thought that creating ugly nigger tranny garbage was a safe investment, they just wanted to force their politics on people no matter the cost

>>714868990
the company is milking the investors

>>714869263
i worry it's going to be a bug filled shitshow and get terrible reviews and STILL sell 40 billionty copies because "it's heckin GTA", and then fixing a dozen basic bugs will be seen as a "no man's sky level of engoodening"

>>714870153
yeah The Witcher 3 is overrated as fuck, I like the story beats and the exploration feels fun and rewarding for like 20 hours and then it all falls apart, the progression systems and the general character progression flow in that game are utterly fucked, and the funniest thing - CP77 has the same issues and more.

>>714870837
Well, in that instance, they did because of DEI.

>>714870358
>Modern development is a disaster because their strategies are to follow the current trend.
>Games that took too long to jump on the battle royale train are now having to redesign the game to fit around extraction looters.
>None of it is trying to exist on it's own, they're trying to fit into the current "category" and become competitive within that rather than in general.

Why are they like this? Counter Strike started as a Half-life Mod. Monster Hunter started as a somewhat forgettable PS2 game with a modest budget. You look at any mega-huge gaming series, and it often has quite modest origins.

Why not fund smaller budget games to see what is a hit then build from there? They keep trying to make mega-huge blockbusters from the get-go because their system can only allow them, even though creative fields require creativity and chance taking.

The people who make games also have little stakes in them, since they're just cogs in the machine. Al-Gharbi has made this point, and it explains one reason why games are so "woke".

teams are bloated beyond repair which only delays things as the different silos in the project have to also slowly communicate with eachother
funny how they're only bloated because they thought more cooks in the kitchen would speed things up

>>714870837
is pic real? she was fired, right?

>>714870897
that's every instance of modern western AAA
they are all filled with ugly characters and anti white male writing
the devs never thought "this is what people want" they thought "this is what people should want"

>>714868151 (OP)
incompetent, agenda-driven, retards who hate video games hijacked the industry after their take-over of comics failed to move the needle

It's like all of a sudden every "big game" is Duke Nukem Forever. There's so many articles or even books I'd be interested to read about what the hell went wrong during all these games development.
I mean, a fucking Perfect Dark game should not take more than 2-3 years to make, if I'm being generous. So what were they doing? Clearly not working, I get that, but still, what the fuck were they doing?

>>714869428
yep. people are no longer competing within their local sphere. you are directly in competition with every human with internet access and there are millions more every day. media is competing with the media that released before it, of which there is millions more every day.

clinging to old systems of democracy and taxation is why we're struggling so much. a lower budget game can't get made if they're going to be paying exorbitant taxes, which can be used to bail out one of their direct competitors.

>>714871016
She was awarded a medal and given free money for life.

>>714871016
the game was cancelled a couple months ago, after 8 years of wasting money and having nothing to show for it

With the right leadership, can xbox go back to the good old days?

>>714868767
And zoomers won't even get crumbs or an internship because the jobs will be replaced by AI kek

>>714870837
investors thought so because they were paid

>>714870296
they don't see GaaS as a risk because those games are targeting a handful of wealthy, autismal whales. they don't need to appeal to 40 million people to make back their investment, they just need to captivate a specific group of people.
and it's worked in the past. games with shoestring budgets selling jpgs of anime girls for three figures a pop

>>714871131
They're spinning their wheels planning, with no work actually being done. No one knwos how to program, just manipulate Unreal. Talented diven people aren't being hired, it's morons like this.

What would have totally made sense is a "what if PD64 2 came out?". Re-use assets from Perfect Dark 1, go on a full nostalgia trip, and create a new sequel scenario from it. But of course, use mouse and keyboard aiming so it visually is nostalgic but plays like a modern game. Then build a multiplayer experience on top of it.

Then if that is a hit, build upon it and make sequels.

HOW IS THIS HARD?!

>>714871016
she has a new upstart company

>>714870454
they are already really really rich
whatever happened to safe games which can recoup investment?

>>714871238
she definitely knows what will turn halo around back to a household name...

>>714868151 (OP)
>6-7 years
>another 2-3 years
Well, that happens when you spend 6-7 doing nothing and using 2-3 years to actually... well, work on the game.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_Dark_(cancelled_video_game)

>>714871348
"investors" who publicly made statements that "you have to force behaviours"

>>714868767
investors have no saying in what games are made. It's leftist video game developers that mass produce all that slop.

>>714868793
We're about to get indie slop the likes the world has never seen before. Shovelware for days.

The twitteroid is right, by 2030 we're going to see massive upheavals in big publishers as developers are axed left and right to keep the investors happy. I won't be surprised if Microsoft ends up gutting Bethesda eventually as TES6 underperforms compared to the hype.

>>714870837
you're wrong. boomer retards are told by the TV that diversity is what breeds success, they are told by game companies "yeah we can add a brown woman and make your return bigger if you increase your investment a little", and they believe it

>>714871238
This is like people committing crimes and recording themselves except they don't get arrested, they're just undermining their career and experience on their CVs.

>>714868151 (OP)
it's just AAA games, the big AAA game corporations are managed by idiots who don't understand the industry

indie games are doing fine

>>714871526
>you have to force behaviours
I like how if you google that, the first result is...

>>714871001
valve took some student project about hellish transporters and turned it into a cultural milestone in gaming that we still to this day bitch about how it drew in clueless normalfags

>free money dries up
>every entertainment industry falls apart
really makes you think

>>714871548
No they don’t. It was never about profit

>>714871112
>>714871016
>>714871195
I did some digging.

1. She was hired to a new job on Likedin after the news broke, so I think she got fired.
2. Cliffhanger games spun their wheels, did nothing, and only opened a studio 3 months before everything was cancelled.
3. The game studio was mostly white people and one or two asians. I only saw one darkie.

>>714871016
it's real, and EA didn't give a shit because the diversity mandates actively encourage that kind of reverse discrimination.

>>714871473
>they are already really really rich
The line must go up. In big part, because of an ever increasing share price is a license to basically print money.
https://pluralistic.net/2025/03/06/privacy-last/

>>714871016
nah but this woman was

>>714871418
>gameplay systems designer
>"so when you press the shoot button you should shoot, and the enemies should also shoot back at you to create challenge for the player"

What amused me about this current age of the gaming industry is how there's this trend of AAA studios formed by supposed industry veterans with carte blanche and for some reason, they never managed to make even one game after years of development before getting shut down. Like I always wonder what the hell they were doing all this time.
>The Initiative
>Haven Studio
>Deviation Games

>>714871789
she’s right and based though

>>714868151 (OP)
Shorting every major game studio stock once DEI took over has been free money for years. The industry's on life support.

PS: If you're an indie dev, you’ve got maybe 1–2 years left to finish your game. A brutal drought is coming.

>>714871880
Kojima put out two games

>>714871541
shovelware for days is already the world we're in, tens of thousands of games already released on steam this year, 99% of which no-one has played

>>714871880
they expected to make a billion dollars selling early access promises and abandoning half of them like DoubleFine did. they forgot consumers can learn and adapt.

>>714871001
Because it's a smaller market to compete with.
If they release a game that isn't following a trend, it's competing against that trend taking attention and the rest of games that exist.
If they get a game that exists into the trend quickly, they get to capitalise on the trend and set themselves up as foundational.

Look at Apex Legends. It was far from one of the first battle royales but it was one of the first with class base systems and to this day, it's still not dead. They've also been able to implement different things to bring people back in, they could easily turn it into an extraction shooter too.

Trend chasing is a gamble that if you win, you win big. Ultimately it's about money and the gamble is worth the squeeze when the alternative is a game that can do well but the studio closes and you're out a job because it didn't maximise profits.

>>714868151 (OP)
Blame Dragon Quest.
Newfags won't know.

>>714871880
most games at every level and size never ship, actually shipping games is difficult at the best of times

>>714868151 (OP)
No passion. Think about it, having to work on franchises that are decades old.

>>714872095
The Erdricks trilogys gap is insane

>>714872264
not all of them are old, but they are all ugly, gay and lame

>>714872095
They also can't build up hype for series anymore since everything takes so long to come out. Devil may Cry released 3 games from 2001-2006. Now we're getting 5 years per game if we're lucky, so you have to be some geezer with a mortgage if you're invested into some story you followed when you were 15.

No story is interesting enough for me to care for 15-25 years.

The time between FF7 Remake part 1 coming out and the end is like a freaking decade.

Imagine picking up the game at 13, would you still give a shit about Cloud and Tifa and Sephiroth when you're 23??!

>>714868151 (OP)
There's a disconnect from executives in what they believe quality is and what actually sells.
For a decade they've been making the same literal game (CoD) and thinking it applies to every game if you put the same amount of shitty stuff in it. Needless to say, it doesn't cut it anymore.
They need to make actual good stuff to sell and that will be risky and they're deathly afraid of said risk.

>>714872429
FF7 remake is one of gaming's biggest monkey paw scenarios.
i cannot believe they meant "we're going to chop it up and remix everything and sell it to you in fucked up pieces" when they said "we're saving a remake of FF7 for when we need a guaranteed good year"

>>714871732
so are they scared to take risks or they must take risks for line to go up?
you are literally contradicting yourself with every post

Ten managers for every actual worker, every decision has to go through fifty layers of wokefaggot consultants, thirty hours a week of mandatory DEI training, ugly HR cunts looking for reasons to fire people so everyone walks on eggshells and makes communication impossible, poojeet coders who copy/paste from chatGPT whose work has to be constantly fixed by the one White guy the company retained but will fire as soon as the game ships.

>>714872621
Creating GaaS is an accepted risk because that the one risk that really makes its money back and can afford you to just fund the development of a single title over the years, if you make it, of course.

>>714872621
it's not a risk. it's a low-cost lottery ticket to throw a dozen skins on the same player model and charge money for that. they aren't paying big teams who are making advanced enemy behaviours or new maps and trying to sell those. they are playing dress up with virtual dolls, churning out new outfits, and hoping they can get rich selling the results to a handful of mentally ill people

>>714872806
dumb chart to post, as it has no relevance to the discussion. people being poor and choosing to spend smaller amounts of money in games they already own doesn't pertain to a discussion about making new games with GaaS approaches

>>714868151 (OP)
The funniest thing to me is that now that we've had a string of disaster release after disaster release.
Studios are still going to keep this going for a few more years because they already committed several years to an 8 year long project despite seeing the writing on the wall.

Funnier still is that they are dealing with all this while studios outside the west like Fromsoft or Ryu Ga Gotoku are doing the other extreme with games made in a 2-4 year window using a lot of carry over code/assets that end up being successful games that never risked shutting down the studio.

>>714870296
GAAS weren't seen as a risk five years ago when they all started development, they were seen as easy money. Literally the point the anon you replied to was making.

>>714872858
you'd have to be massively retarded to think people are going to buy mtx when your game looks like concord

Industry got taken over by talentless retards who believed that just because they thought games were fun they'd be able to make good games.

>>714872970
>as it has no relevance to the discussion
LOL, LMAO. Whatever, you win. You're right.

>>714873006
>GAAS weren't seen as a risk five years ago when they all started development, they were seen as easy money

I doubt they're easy money at all. It's only easy money if people like your game. A live service game means they pay for development, and then it costs money to keep the game alive. That's why live service shit can bomb really hard. If nobody is playing on release, they can't justify keeping it alive.
They really need to do market research to see what people actually want if they keep making live service. I'm sure China did it, and they vacuum all the money when it comes to mobile gaming.

>>714872617
They missed their window. I think PS4 FF7 Remake split into 2 would have been fantastic. Part 1 2014, part 2 2016. Bam done.

>>714872621
>so are they scared to take risks or they must take risks for line to go up?
>you are literally contradicting yourself with every post

They treat gaming like copper extraction. Just steady growth forever where you're extracting a steady and predictable product. Final Fantasy, Dragon Age, etc are just copper, steel, uranium, etc. It's all the same for them since they don't interact with the business end.

They're chasing trends to make the line go up, and they're chasing the most profitable trends, which they don't think are risks since others are making huge money on them. They're not seeing the entire system was collapsing post 2020.

>>714873006
GAAS was fine momentarily when it was like
>Oh wow, infinite content only a month rotation and I can play my favorite vidya forever? This is great!
But like all things it was ruined by greed and updates turned seasonal so we get 4 updates a year to add a single character and 40 minor updates to throw metallica/rick and morty/beavis and butthead into the game.

>>714871714
>reverse discrimination
That's not a thing. It's just discrimination.

>>714868151 (OP)
I bet that snoy Wolverine game is going to have an overall budget of like half a billion at least by the time it comes out.

>>714868151 (OP)
Thats just american devs. Eu fags and asian studios are doing fine.

>>714873043
Suits don't make the game, and don't even know what makes a game popular. They give orders. Then the devs actually make the game. The devs are twitter addicts who try to impress the other people on twitter to keep their twitter addiction going. You get this mish-mash of goals resulting in ugly western games that appeal to no one.

yes, people are ltierally ruining society because of twitter addictions.

Honestly what's a good career to go into these days? I'm in IT but its clearly going to get replaced by AI in the next 5 years. I'm thinking about going back to college to become a Psychologist.

>>714873043
>the GaaS game with terrible character designs not even the most mentally ill want to pay to dress up
>the one where the actual gameplay and progression system was completely overlooked in favor of making a ton of hideous characters to dress up
>was shitcanned shortly after release and everyone refunded
oh gosh you're right this proves i'm wrong

>>714868445
More like HR and Karen's got involved and decided everything in the game needs to have 10 meetings to discuss rather than just get shit done

I am of the camp that another market crash is exactly what video games needs; the bubble has popped on the industry in the AAA sphere, yet for over a decade AAA game companies haven't given a fuck about the art or forwarding it visually and mechanically, it isn't about fun it is about revenue. Artists and coders who are passionate about their jobs and the artform are muffled under a "too many cooks" effect at best, being quashed by the inconsistent but instantaneous whims of the higher management at worst. Indie devs are holding the torch for actual visual/audio beauty and a fun design, they are the future. What we're seeing is a paralell of Hollywood; many try, only some make it, and the major companies who run the industry are overbloated, valuing marketing and big name star power over taking risks. The real artists are going to have to risk themselves for their art, it might not be good and even if it is it may quietly go unnoticed, but that's what making art is.
The sooner another crash happens the sooner AAA dies down dramatically, we get less normie tier nerds shitting up the gaming space, and the medium will belong more to those who actually care about it beyond being a paycheck.

>>714871789
She seems genuinely oblivious to the reality of it. I wonder if she figured it out after that.

>>714873153
i'm on your side, man. i just don't see how a chart about the overall market stagnating causing people to go for the $12 DLC instead of the $40-$80 game means that new games designed to be GaaS are profitable.

>>714868837
Not the Biopharma industry.

>>714873354
>Honestly what's a good career to go into these days? I'm in IT but its clearly going to get replaced by AI in the next 5 years. I'm thinking about going back to college to become a Psychologist.

Also going to be replaced by AI. AI is going to diagnose you and treat you. Talk therapy will be AI. CEOs will be AI.

Manual labor will take longer because you need to build physical robots that can move around and react to dynamic situations outside of an assembly line, but eventually they'll be replaced as well.

Humans will be useless and no longer needed for the economy to function. They might build consumer robots to fill the void.

>>714868151 (OP)
>What is modern video game development such a disaster?
Nowadays, people calling the shots about the games being developed are people that don't play games. This was bound to happen and happens in literally every industry after about 20 years, give or take.

>>714873216
there was no window for time jannies. the original game had environments and ideas that would have been fine to flesh out a bit with the best possible grafix and some nufangled real time gameplay for battles

>>714873448
You're completely right. There's no way any suit can look at that chart, and say, "y'know, I really want a piece of that pie". Simply impossible...

>>714873354
cant go wrong with plumbing, it's going to be a very long time before it can be done by robots

>>714870874
That's exactly what's going to happen,as long they sell a bagillion of sharkcards performance be damned, and it will because GTA is crack for normalfags.

>>714873526
AI is only going to replace service desk in your lifetime, anon.

>>714873242
>see a pic of beavis and butthead in a shooter and assume it's fortnite like the rest i've seen with that style
>it's call of duty
how in the fuck did we reach the point where CoD and Fortnite are capable of being visually indistinct?

>>714873526
>>714873585
I cant do manual labour jobs as im a weak beta male incel nerd. I can only do white collar jobs.

>>714873354
I enrolled in school this year for IT. Classes begin next month. Debating on. Whether or not I just want to drop the courses and continue being a wageslave. It was a pain in the ass getting this far, and now I'm reading that learning to code and fix this is basically pointless? Yeah... might just join the military instead.

>>714873558

>>714873354
Anything that has a physical element to your job, so healthcare that hands a hands on part, like a physiotherapist or such, may be a good idea. If your job can be worked remotely then you are likely going to see that job replaced by AI in 5 to 10 years.

>>714868151 (OP)
incompetence

>>714873553
Yes, Nomura, Kitase, and Nojima, vastly over-estimated people's experience with FF7, and thought everyone played it so they might as well mix things up to keep it interesting. Time Ghosts is so monumentally stupid, and it just ruins many iconic segments and scenes. The Turks raid on the church to grab Aerith is memorable and interesting. It's ruined by time ghosts in the remakequel.

>>714873354
last 2 times i was cajoled into going to talk to somebody, they barely listened to me and hocked some online therapy shit to me.
the people in that profession are getting kickbacks to replace themselves with a SLIDESHOW, not even AI

>>714868151 (OP)
stable profits needed to become ever increasing profits for the sake of growth and market dominance

>>714868151 (OP)
making anything in a game is 100x more complex than any other medium

just want one cat that walks on two feet and talks in your game? that's 3-6 months of modelling, animation, coding, voice acting, testing, etc

at least in cartoons or cg movies, you can cut corners and fake a lot of stuff cause nobody will know

Let's say you have 200+ people working ona game for 7+ years. Who gets the most money from this?
The underpaid worker, the barely above average leads or the extremely rich higher ups?
Higher ups pocket most of the money or just increase scale to get more monies to pocket.
The worst thing in game development for higher ups is actually releasing one, all that does for you is make you search for the next victim.

>>714873558
it's a chart that says that, if your game has customers, it will maybe see an upsurge in DLC sales during an overall dip in gaming sales. it's saying "have some kind of DLC available, preferably a few, for your game" and every game already does that. please see reason.

>>714868767
>And they're hiring millennial, so there is no talent to speak of.
They hire millennial women, blacks and gays/troons, not white millennial straight males

>>714873353
Suits dictate everything. Titan quest couldn't add snow because the higher ups threatened massive firings. They are involved and constantly.

>>714873862
I already took the L, man.

>>714873603
the online component is going to be delayed until they sell enough copies of the single player component to justify opening servers and selling mtx to people. gta vi's initial success will absolutely be from selling copies of the game

>>714873642
Activision investors do not care about maintaining the tactical aspect of the game and just want money. Millenials, Gen X, and occasionally early gen zoomers play CoD so they throw old adult oriented cartoon characters in it to appeal to them compared to Fortnite that just throws in everything popular.

Investors and publishers was the worst thing for gaming since consoles.

>>714873657
i am a certified computer engineer and the outsourcing is absurd. local grocery stores have registers that say "Onange" instead of change because the software is made by koreans that don't speak english and misread a poorly handwritten note

>>714868151 (OP)
Don't expect real improvement and better prioritization e.g. features vs. graphics until you start seeing upper management getting the boot.

>>714873661
wonder what the baker thinks about it, having to make a bigger pie while still getting paid the same.

>>714873931
don't be cunty. i was genuinely trying to help your side of the argument.

Game devs did this to themselves. Spending a decade making a game is a choice. A very poor one.

>>714874093
This was always going to be the fate of the modern world and it's only going to get worse as billionaires and the president openly endorse using H1-B and outsourced skilled labor compared to local talent.

>>714874058
i know WHY, but until now hasn't CoD stuck to somewhat real world models of people like rihanna or keanu reeves or whatever? aren't beavis and butthead the first cartoon abominations in that game?

The real cancer of the arts is telemetry. It's not coincidence that film started to go to shit when streaming became popular.
Even TV got this treatment, but to a lesser degree. Phineas & Ferb, Regular Show, Adventure Time, Wizards of Waverly Place, The Proud Family, Gumball, all got revivals, most of which had somewhat questionable quality.
Now most of what you get are late sequels, reboots and remakes, and cinematic universes. Ditto for gaming.

>>714874281
60% of indians still don't have the internet.
we haven't even begun the internet age in full yet. people who never fully crossed into the industrial age are going to be in the internet age

>>714874376
Test screenings and focus groups already existed way before streaming

Yeah I wonder why too.

>>714874376
Is the gumball one out?

>>714874363
You know what, you're right. Everyone else has been realistic renditions of the characters. I guess they finally jumped the shark and went full fortnite.

>>714874516
not the same thing, friend.
the people who attended those were of a certain caliber of person if they could arrive at an appointment, dressed, willing to sit and answer questions.

>>714871692
It was always about profit. Larry Fink's ESG fund provided the capital to justify the changes.

>>714871418
We already had a sequel to PD64. It was the Timesplitters trilogy.

If you want to bring back PD as a thing, what they were doing didn't look terrible. It was a spy game where the levels were fairly open and explorable. Shooting looked impactful. They had the gist of what was fun about PD. Parkour mechanics maybe aren't entirely necessary, but I kind of see where they're coming from.

>>714874516
I know, but you can't really compare them with the amount of data that Internet gives them, and with the sweet bonus of the users paying you for the privilege of giving it away to the corpo that created the stream service.

>>714868151 (OP)
Just make smaller games.

>>714874565
okay, good, i was real worried you were going to pull up a list of like a half dozen other cartoon additions from the past year, and that i had been confusing CoD and fortine for longer than i'd considered.

>>714873392
that's what he said, normies got involved

>>714874538
No, not yet.
>The season will premiere on Hulu and Disney+ through an added Hulu subscription in the United States on July 28, 2025.

>>714873661
That's not what it ever amounts to, in actuality.

This is Tom Preston, isn't it?

>>714871541
Pretty sure that’s mostly just Microsoft being a fucking retarded, if it was up to me I would take all but the few main Xbox studios because they clearly can budget them for shit and just bought them so sony/nintendo can’t make games from them but mainly sony.

>>714868767
>And they're hiring millennial
They are hiring jeets
that's the point of the mass layoffs

>>714874671
those smaller games are going to flop too

>>714874817
NTA. I checked, and yes.
https://www.tumblr.com/hypocrisyofandrewdobson/617963992554586112/hypocrisyofandrewdobson

How does this end? Does the industry just mass scale back on scope and GRAFFIX? AAA games 15 years ago were made with much less people for much less money.

>>714874940
I can spot his wrongness a mile away.

>>714874885
on one hand, yeah, the devs made a shitty garbage game about being heckin punk and anti-establishment, but on the other hand.. nice proofreading on the image caption, faggots

>>714873661
And who paid for that pie?

>>714875015
>just mass scale back on scope and GRAFFIX
Yes

>>714874671
I don't know how a publisher hasn't figured it out that you could do minor (comparatively) investment into a smaller studio that you just let run free and make a small scale indie game that could possibly sell like crazy. Imagine throwing $100k at Toby Fox when he was indie and getting Undertale returns? Low risk/High Reward but I'm not an investor, maybe it's better to throw $300 million marketing a shit game for immediate returns before everyone refunds.

>>714871529
>investors have no saying in what games are made
If you actually think this you are retarded. Investors only care about money and they'll petition the CEO to add content from other games or push for higher profit which makes the CEO push that downhill to seek marketing trends.

>>714875071
where did the additional required raw materials come from?

>>714869969
SMT V was the same. It's such crap.

>>714868151 (OP)
Companies are bloated and need to trim the fat across the board. There is no reason ubisoft needed 19k employees on their payroll.

>>714871089
I couldn’t play this game. Niggerspiderman and fugly MJ? How cucked do you need to be?

>>714868151 (OP)
It's because the vast majority of big companies in the industry is treating gaming like Hollywood.
They over-invest and spend billions of dollars on bullshit. And the end result it some current-trend (or yesteryear's-trend) slop.

>>714868445
They must be stopped

>>714875287
hollywood shit is also flopping for the same reasons as video games
ugly gay nigger shit

>>714875018
lol

>>714875182
>that could possibly sell like crazy
See, the "possibly" is the keyword here.
Investors want safe returns and they want them now.
If you can get a million more this quarter after which the company dies it's better than getting nothing now and maybe the next few quarters but then raking in +5M every quarter because you built the company.
Of course that's a very exaggerated example, but the whole stock market public trading thing works by prioritizing short-time gains over long-term investments.
See also Dodge vs. Ford.

>>714875392
exactly.
it's double retarded.

>>714875431
I guess I'm too poor to understand risking $500m for $550m vs $100k for $1m.

>>714875267
i watched the first one on youtube after playing with the swinging physics at a friends for a bit

and then i played through ultimate spider man

>>714868793
>AI is about to free gaming from its corporate masters. I can't wait for the indie gaming renaissance.
GOOD MORNING, SAARS!

>>714868151 (OP)
>make shitty game
>send to test audiences
>they hate it
>send shitty game back to shitty devs
>They make it worse
>play testers hate it
>repeat until you literally have to release it

This is how GTA6 is going to be released, with the largest marketing campaign ever.

>>714868445
This.
>>714868151 (OP)
Extremely bloated work force incapable of streamlining game development.
Teams of 1 million people and for what? The best video games of all time were still made by teams of less than 10 people.
No shit there will be "Mass lay offs" companies are realizing you don't need millions of employees.

>>714868767
Funny, you blame everyone but the fucking zoomers who made this possible with their love of live services and gaas. Kill yourself, zoomie.

I would've loved to work on Amazon Games just to have an insider look to this mess.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-01-29/amazon-game-studios-struggles-to-find-a-hit

>>714875704
Millennials who played MMORPGs like there was no tomorrow, and Gen Xs that loved to play Facebook F2P slop surely dindu nuffin, right?

>>714868151 (OP)
Bloated staff, jeet outsourcing despite having said staff
Budgets are too big because they NEED to make "art" than a game

>>714875752
>Bada bing badda boom. dis gotta be like that uh, fortnite thing. make da big bucks ya hear?

>>714875547
You just don't get the investor mindset. surely if investing 100k can give a return of 1 mil. Then investing 100 mil will give 1bil.

>>714873897
>white millennial straight males
those made mmorpgs possible so they get the rope too

>>714875752
>The team wound up designing lesser versions of popular games

What's funny is League of Legends was exactly that - it was a copy of Dota, and it was successful SOLELY because it came out between Dota and Dota 2, so all they did was get lucky. That strategy is complete garbage, and nobody should attempt to make a League of Legends.

>>714873353
>Suits don't make the game, and don't even know what makes a game popular
No, but they fund it. That's a pretty integral element to the mix, isn't it? Doesn't deserve creative cred but I think it deserves some credit.

>>714875684
>just add to one side of a formula because it's heckin current year
this one always slays me. they claim to have invented math, too.

>>714875752
My first reaction... Amazon had a game studio? Did they ever release anything?

Considering the Wiki page lists a lot of "untitled", means this trend didn't end and they're still spinning their wheels making games that won't release.

Remember when dystopian stories were about evil hyper comptent mega-corps running everything? Well, turns out they got the part about them running everything, but they become so top heavy and stupid, that they become wildly inefficient. As long as there's "good times" like with Amazon's infinite money printer, it "works".

So the future is jsut a handful of tech compnanies owning everything, and they have endless useless divisions that waste money and produce nothing of value.

>>714875960
people who play LoL are pretty open about how much they hate it, too

>>714871238
she didn't film the part where the lesbian HR manager eats her out in the closet

>>714870480
Kek look at this AAAA buttplug riding shill seethe at a post. Stuck a little too close to home for you?

>>714875752

>>714868837
That's what happens when you fill your corporation with endless levels of management that need to justify their continued employment.

>>714876104
>Remember when dystopian stories were about evil hyper comptent mega-corps running everything
mike judge made that one with a slightly different outlook

>>714875946
The people you're bemoaning about made all the indies you care about. And they get into indie dev making because the system prevents them to get into actual studios. It will happen to the zoomers too, it's idiotic to take AAA as a stick to judge on an entire generation. You just want to chimp out and screech because your life is shit.

people like to shit on the japs for being programming retards who never back up anything
But where the FUCK did all the tech go for westerners? It feels like every new game is written from scratch with how long they take

>>714876136
>people who play LoL are pretty open about how much they hate it, too

That's because of engagement matchmaking or whatever it's called. I'm willing to believe it's an actual thing after reading the description. Apparently, the matchmaking in MOBAs is designed to make you want to keep playing. That means win streaks and lose streaks. That's how people become addicted. When a person is addicted, they'll do something whether it's fun or not.

>>714875752
>armed with the latest VentureBeat article about whatever game was making the most money that month
Kek sounds a bit like my boss.
Remember, those are the people who have a degree stating that they "know" about economy stuff and who are deciding on the "long"-term strategy of a company.

>>714875946
>vidya gamerz who were able to actually appreciate the advent of the internet really enjoyed playing games with a bunch of other people at once
how dare they

>>714876362
yes, it's not hard to really fuck with your brain. it reads what situations make you quit and stop playing for extended periods and what situations lead you to paying money. the matchmaking massages what team matchups you get to try and artificially create your 'good' scenario. sometimes the scenario is a simple win streak, sometimes calculated as more complex, like losing 4 matches and then winning 3. if you don't ever buy MTX the game uses you as fodder to make the best team matchups possible for the people who do.

>>714876393
yeah and their knowledge of the industry is equal to someone that reads all the tech magazines while in the waiting room at the dentist

>>714876621
You want to hear something funny? I doubled down when it came to addiction. I was already a long time Dota player, but I started smoking. That means if I wanted to smoke, I would play Dota. I was addicted to two things at the same time. Only when I managed to quit smoking did I drop the game.

>>714875684
Cute strawman bro.

>>714868837
average guy just doesn't have expendable cash anymore.

wages stagnating isn't a meme, we've just reached the point where all costs but your most important have to start getting cut unless you make over 30 an hour.

>>714876681
I think you're giving them a bit too much credit here

>>714868445
total normalfag death

>>714873694
>the first time cloud meets aerith
>but also sephiroth is there
>also time jannies is there

it's like a game for ADD patients

>>714876945
true
someone who reads headlines and lists in those magazines*

>>714876621
>if you don't ever buy MTX the game uses you as fodder to make the best team matchups possible for the people who do.
good god man don't tell me that
now i never want to play a multiplayer again, even if my friends want to. we're just being used

>>714871523
its amazing that no one checked up on them.

they really did absolutely no work for 6 years, just nothing, not even a frame.

>>714877154
Not that anon.
>we're just being used
Duh? Why do you think that games have really long privacy policies? One of the many reasons why gamings ballooned in budget is because they have to comply with privacy protection laws. They could simply not collect any data, but they really love that sweet telemetry.

Roblox

Even Nintendo isnt immune. 8 years to make mario kart world lmao

>>714877410
I think that was a victim of the success of its predecessor rather than anything else...

>>714877317
>They could simply not collect any data, but they really love that sweet telemetry.

I'm actually amused when I think about game companies looking what I did in the game.
>huh. he killed the black guy in every single run

>>714877484
5 years to make a game like ToTK reusing all the asset from BoTW. 7 years working on the new Donkey Kong.

>>714877558
Fair enough.

>>714877410
5, 3 years wating switch 2 release

>>714877558
>7 years working on the new Donkey Kong
Wtf?

>>714869282
I remember when the first Avengers hitting a billion was major news. Now it's the bare minimum expectation.
Dodge v Ford was a mistake

>>714868445
>>714875696
>>714877030
It's literally the opposite of normies, you dumb faggots. It's left-wing radicals.

>>714877410
The same team made ARMS and helped around the house, World didn't start development until talks of Switch 2 began.

>>714875182
>I don't know how a publisher hasn't figured it out that you could do minor (comparatively) investment into a smaller studio that you just let run free and make a small scale indie game that could possibly sell like crazy
That's what Tencent does.

>>714877410
Nintendo teams handle things like this differently, the same team that worked on Mario Kart World also supported Arms post launch with free content, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe post launch with free content, developed Mario Kart Live Home Circuit and developed the Booster Course for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, while also working on Mario Kart World, but you will also have staff being moved between teams to fill space as needed, you've got devs who would have filled space in other games development and then moved onto Mario Kart World when it had matured enough, Nintendo tends to focus on pre-production a lot to the point where a game could just be a gameplay demo with placeholder assets for over a year as they work on getting the gameplay to work, Splatoon originally had rabbits for it's first 6 months, although that game was made in like a year and a half.

>>714878010
https://www.nintendo.com/us/whatsnew/ask-the-developer-vol-18-mario-kart-world-part-1/

They said they started working on it 8 years ago.

>>714877931
Normalfags are very susceptible to leftoid talking points. Just look at how "cool" socialism is with the kids these days.

>>714873661
how do they reach an agreement on the pie filling? you'll have people with gluten allergies so does that mean the crust is all fucky to accommodate those few? how do they decide if it's a dessert pie or a savory pie? who do they think makes these decisions in this world they want?

Death to AAA slop

The AAA industry is dying and I could not care less.

>>714877931
So normies.

>>714868151 (OP)
we need more Spiderweb Softwares

>>714868151 (OP)
Imagine wasting 6-7 years on making some wokeslop tranny game only for it to be flopped and for you and your team to be harassed off social media by a chud with an anime pfp and the username “Sweet Baby Inc. Smotherer”

>>714878132
How could that be true? The game is missing so much shit, there isn’t even a story mode

>>714868151 (OP)
Investors not knowing shit about curves
Publishers not knowing shit about curves
Developers not know shit about budgets and time management
Players sticking to better games that have been out for years.

Its simply corporate greed.
Constant ramping up, needing more money quicker.
They are always thinking that videogame projects are more money in = more money out, like a little piggy bank that the "modern audience" just flocks to and buys in droves.
They are still in the mentality that you can just churn out any random shit, people eat it up and you get easy money, fund the next project.

They went through that period of shilling a piece of garbage with a massive ad campaign and it stopped working.

It has always boiled down to: People will only buy good games.
In the old days a fancy advert and magazines shilling a game could fool lots of people to buying shit, but it isn't like that these days
-People have more protections with refunds
-People have easier access to trusted reviewer or gameplay footage
-Word of mouth is global, not just the schoolyard

The result is they can't get away is churning out slop at a regular rate and expect to multiply their money again
They still believe games can just be made quickly, just tenfold the workforce and it should be good right? lay them off when the game is done, that's the corpo way

Fortunately for gamers, there are plenty of games already out that they can play so it's no biggy if the latest AAA game with queers and dykes flops.
But for the corpos; this means they actually need to figure out what gamers want and make a good game.
But guess what? Most people working for these companies are actually incompetent. Kids that grew up in the golden age of gaming and wanted to be part of it by going through bullshit "degrees" that are not work a damn
Market analysts used to be a thing, doesn't seem so anymore; companies are still chasing the modern audience, an analyst worth their salt could tell them it doesn't exist

>>714877931
Normalfags are the ones who insisted on more realism.

>>714879797
yeah that must be why mario games sell 50 million copies

>what i've played this past week
star wars mod of indie VR pvp shooter game
nubby's number factory
starcraft 1 ported into starcraft 2
farm together 2
finding nemo on GBA

the AAA industry can burn and i'd barely notice

>>714868151 (OP)
western AAA movie slop that are all the same with insane budgets and horrid rate of return

>>714880003
>finding nemo on GBA
Why

>>714873661
A pie that can please everyone simply does not exist, right being "what social justice actually is" is (I believe unintentionally) dead on point: it portrays an utopia which is not feasible in reality. Bravo

>>714868151 (OP)

>>714869969
some like open world stuff some dont
its a buffet you retard dont do the open world side stuff you dont like thats why its sidestuff and not story you mongloid

tom shitterson thread, ew

>>714875960
League didn't just get lucky. It beat out HoN and the og dota (not to mention that dota 2 did little to stifle its success, and dota 2 didn't come out that long after league did) in a straight competition because it did a lot of things people liked. It was much more forgiving to play, while still being very fun and retaining all the important aspecta of assfaggots games. Also the F2P model it had was pretty much revolutionary for its time. But people did genuinely like the game back in the early 2010s because it was doing a lot of things right.

>>714880085
an anon recommended it mostly for the soundtrack and i figured it would only take me 30 seconds to find and download it and give it a shot

>>714877410
Nintendo is a research and development company masquerading as a game developer.

>>714868151 (OP)
Its primarily American problem due to astronomical costs of keeping people on retainer in California or some other hilariously expensive place

Compare that to European and Asian studios that are expanding and going into bigger and bigger projects incrementally (ie. Owlcat is making like 3 games now, and then also is publishing at least 2 more, after 3 successful games, Larian just opened a new studio in Poland etc.)

>>714868767
Youngest Millennial is 30 you colossal retard. Zoomoids are directly responsible for buying these shit games.

>>714877504
https://www.polygon.com/features/2019/5/9/18522937/video-game-privacy-player-data-collection

>>714878132
well, lol its not even good.

dev time is now such a fucking hilarious thing.

>>714868151 (OP)
The western game industry cratered 40 years ago because it was dumping low effort garbage everywhere that lead to a quick death
The western game industry today is struggling because they're dumping low effort garbage at a rate equatable to a death by a hundred million cuts over 10 years

>>714868151 (OP)
They stopped hiring smart, competent, but socially awkward nards because they gave some HR lady the "ick"

>>714880267
HoN is fucking awful, somehow even more retarded than DOTA, and the fucking BLOOM, my god, the BLOOM.

>>714875752
Has it ever occurred to any of these devs that they should wrangle their boss' retardation? Can you be more spineless? Sit his fucking ass down and explain to him why things should be done a certain way. He's the money man, he (hopefully) knows about money, you're the game man, you (also hopefully) know about games, stay out of each other's business, mind your own area of competency.
I know what you're thinking: he'll fire me if I speak up, and to that I say, a big part in people getting fired over speaking up their minds is if they sperg out, remain cool and tell him what's what, be professional (ideally talk to him 1 on 1, if you confront anyone about stuff in front of everyone there's a lot of social pressure and things are guaranteed to go south due to no one wanting to be seen as losing face), and if he still fires you then he did you a favour, he kicked you out of a doomed endeavour possibly sparing you years of your life for you to spend elsewhere more fruitfully

>>714875015
That's 90% of the fucking problem so yes

>>714881151
>explain to him why things should be done a certain way
>why don't you talk to the prophet, the visionary, the pope, the innovator and... mansplain things to him

If there is a reckoning in the video game industry that displaces all western developers and off-shores their jobs, can the women in future games not look like pic related? Please?

>>714881347
That's literally all I want, more T&A in games more generally and less Taash type conversation/direction

>>714881151
That's exactly what's happening though, all the competent devs are speaking up and getting kicked out. Not exactly video games, but look at what happened to Henry Cavill with the Witcher TV show when he pushed back against them butchering the story.

>>714875696
>companies are realizing you don't need millions of employees
Except they're firing mass loads of the people that do the work on the video game and keeping the bloated management they hired to keep track of them. So there will be mass company closings since that's that's the only management loses thier jobs.

>>714881636
what's funny is they know he was the sole real draw, and held it together, and yet they still ran him off, ruining the show and their own job.

that is what people need to realize, they will ruin their own employment to get a win over the "Chuds", you cannot reason with them.

>>714881151
Well yea no shit dumbass. All the competent white men are speaking up and getting fired. And replaced by women

>>714881835

>>714868151 (OP)
>we're not even at the halfway point of mass layoffs

>>714868767
Capitalism wasn't designed around the idea of publicly traded companies and publicly traded companies shouldn't be a part of capitalism.

>>714868151 (OP)
The layoffs will continue until video games improve.

>>714882045
don't forget, niggers, troons, and jeets.

Corporate culture.
They can't have a small group of people working on the game. No they need hundreds. They can't just have a director. No, there needs to be 20 different managers/supervisors.

Why does it take so long now? Modern tools are so unbelievably easy to use, and all the most common game environments have Quixel assets.

>>714882650
Indians don't care about vidya anymore. We will just shill our porn AI games now, since this is what /v/ wants.

>>714881151
Ask me how I know that you have never actually worked a day in your life.
And even if it's not a boss who will fire you for speaking up, he might likely simply ignore what you said because he's the boss and you're not, you don't know the business and the economy and the strategy.

t. haver of a boss who just ignores what people say and later, when everyone has done the (additional) work suddenly gets the same idea everyone smarter than him had in the very beginning

>>714881151
Based naive NEET

>>714868151 (OP)
All the talent left. Turns out when you attack white straight men and replace their superior talent with DEI garbage, games take longer to develop with shitty quality.
These "200+ layoffs" are quite literally nothing. Western studios are bringing in hundreds of jeets to code through brute force, something a single white guy could do, cause it's cheaper. Just pay them in lima beans. Japanese developers do the same except replace jeets with chinks. Even if a game gigabombs like Concord and Dustborn, the chairmen of the company and shareholders are still paid the same if the game succeeded. This is what happens when government and finical firms like Blackrock with infinite money get into the vidya industry.

>>714882442
>and publicly traded companies shouldn't be a part of the world
ftfy

>>714882850
>Why does it take so long now?

I explained it at the start of the thread: >>714868990
Imagine you're working for a company, and they pay you for every day you worked. Why would you care about the game? You would want it to take as long as possible.

>>714882045
In fact, I am pretty sure this directly happened with Vampire the Masquerade 2. The white guy spoke up and got fired

>>714883106
I said worked but I meant showed up. All those videos of people "working" in office jobs show that showing up is the most important part.

>>714881151
>these devs that they should wrangle their boss' retardation?
You've never been employed.

Project Management killed all software development. Companies started bringing in armies of project managers who just sit around organizing things with goofy looking post-it note style software like they are leading a Kindergarden class. Companies justify it by saying project managers help their metrics...but the metrics are decided upon and reported on by those same project managers.

Things like SCRUM/AGILE really kill the software dev vibes.

>>714881151
youve never had a job in your life lol, not even a question its a statement

>>714883402
I wish there was a good documentary on the development of Copland and especially Workplace OS.

>>714883402
Nah, Project Management was ruined by people who have no skills outside of project management. Before the people managing it were already software devs but put into a leadership role. Now their are degrees for Project Management.

>Out of touch corporate boomer vampires who only cared about next quarter's earnings report, 1990s-2000s: tardwrangle studios into making games and movies that the public enjoyed and paid good money for
>Out of touch corporate boomer vampires who only cared about next quarter's earnings report, 2010s-2020s: spend 1 gorillion years and 1 gorillion dollars making garbage that nobody asked for and sells 1000 copies max
What changed?

>>714883729
They have way more data.

>>714882850
called make work, they make alot of work that doesn't do anythign to pad out time so they get paid more.

it doesn't matter if the game is good or w/e, they could, and likely will, be all laid off anyway.

>>714883875
Data on what? How to fail?

>>714877931
explain how left wings radicals increase development cost and time
it's because of normalfags and their obsession with graphics and realism, period

>>714883965
>>714880513

>>714882850
>Why does it take so long now?
Because Gamers demand unlimited content in new titles

>>714874885
>we didn't make a game about politics
>one of the abilities of your characters is to call white people racists

>>714883729
The industry wasn't mature yet and most of the executives were still gamers themselves. Now it's MBA sociopaths playing musical chairs trying to keep shareholders happy long enough to get their golden parachute as the company goes up in flames.

>>714868151 (OP)
Post 7th gen graphics and their consequences have been a disaster for video games.

>>714884129
>Gamers demand unlimited content in new titles

People want that because they can't afford games. If people pay for a game, they want lots of content. If you don't give it to them, they'll buy a game that gives them what they want, or maybe they'll play Free to Play games.
Look at how many threads on /v/ to see how competitive gaming is.
>bad game comes out
>nobody plays it
Who cares when a game bombs? Only the people who worked on it.

>>714883120
Yeah, that was Troika all over again but with modern-day HR executioners. The guy raised concerns over narrative direction and diversity hiring practices, and suddenly he was "no longer a good fit" for the project. Vampire 2 became a case study in how not to build a game-reboots, leadership purges, new direction every year. And surprise: it's still not out. Almost poetic.

>>714868837
Logistics here
We doing fine brother

>>714884295
Corporate suits were literally always like this, you just didn't notice because it formerly didn't have such a catastrophe effect on the end product

>>714885108
>Logistics

Is that a fancy way of saying food delivery?

>>714885204
No our company doesnt deal with food or live stock or anything that has short expariaton date

>>714885117
I know. Like I said back then the executives were generally the founders of the studio or their friends. Now they've all retired or were pushed out and replaced with suits who know absolutely nothing about video games but are good at bullshitting in shareholder meetings and making numbers go up in the short term.

remember when all these companies hired a gargantuan number of people during covid and 80% of them are completely useless wastes of space?

that sure helped

>>714885312
Then how come the crash is precipitated by these suits having a retardedly laissez faire attitude towards what the studio is actually doing? MS is collapsing because they let these studios do basically fuck all for 10 years without ever checking up on any of them until their own shareholders started asking uncomfortable questions like "where the fuck is the product already, bro, your revenue has been $0.00 for the last decade?" That's sure as hell not short term.

>>714885757
that's the bullshitting part
>xbox will gain marketshare when we buy up all these big studios trust the plan!
MS has infinite money from their software business so it's not really a fair comparison

>>714886110
Not that anon. Planning to do that by porting games to competing platforms, and selling them to deliberately higher prices to incentivise buying a Goypass sub is not the most brilliant of ideas.

We are at a shitty point in life where every corporation wants the maximum money while paying the minimum thus outsourcing and layoffs and they are raising prices on everything and people just can't afford it all. No one is blinking. Politicians are complacent and even helping in some cases. Everyone is greedy as fuck. I haven't eaten fast food in 3 years with how insanely out of touch these places are coming with their prices. I think I bought a meal at Wendys one time for $19 and that was it.

>>714886310
It is if your long term plan was to shutter the Xbox hardware division to begin with. MS sells subscriptions, that's why they give you the Windows OS for free but made MS Office an annual subscription. The plan falls apart if there's NO FUCKING GAMES TO SELL.

>>714885117
there was a time when game companies had very little Corpo suits.

>>714868767
Bioware and 343 Industries were insanely good.

...and then they got bought out by EA and suddely they sucked huge dick. It's so obvious where the problem is.

>>714870837
there is no way this game doesn't get cancelled

>>714870748
https://youtu.be/5IsSpAOD6K8

>>714886634
>343 Industries
I think you got mixed up. 343 wasn't acquired, let alone by EA. It was founded from scratch by Microsoft.

>>714868151 (OP)
westoids are incompetent

>>714886454
>We are at a shitty point in life where every corporation wants the maximum money while paying the minimum
This is literally what every corporation has always done for the entirety of civilization. The economic contract at play here is you're not supposed to buy a product if it sucks. That stops corpos from getting too cocky. This broke down because normalfaggots and soijaks in the modern era are incapable of this. How many units did the Switch 2 push despite it being basically universally agreed that it's launch library is trash and the hardware is mid? How many PS5s sold for $2000 on scalper sites during COVID despite having literally 0 titles at launch? How is Pokemon still the biggest vidya franchise in the world after like 5 humiliation ritual titles in a row? The economic game theory of the free market cannot handle the modern numale who has turned the brand into his religion.

>>714875960
>>714876136
>>714880267
You guys missed the part where when Pendragon, Vyse and others sold out to work on Riot for LoL, they shut down the DOTA forums and just told people to get hyped for LoL and up until Icefrog took the reigns back of the game. The reason why DOTA 2 took so long to come out was because Valve tried to get the DOTA name on it to capitalize on the already dedicated fanbase and had to fight in court with Activision for it. LoL is undeniably bigger than DOTA 2, but DOTA 2 simply has more stuff going for it and custom games galore. The auto battler "craze" started on DOTA 2, if you guys recall and then Riot copied it again.

>>714868151 (OP)
>budgets exploded at the start of 7th gen leading to death of small/midbudget productions as publishers either died or pivoted towards supporting only 1-2 huge franchises
>higher graphics and production value demands
>market has never meaningfully expanded, great if you're already running a successful live service game like COD or Fortnite or whatever that's always getting new blood from kids recruiting their friends, or Nintendo who at least makes a conscious effort to selling stuff for the whole family, but shit out of luck for everybody else scrambling for the attention of a few million people that actually spend money on lots of games a year but only have so much time

Too many games, not enough consumers to meet demand, only strategy is to try to get more money out of the existing audience, all in pursuit of graphicsfagging that only impresses a bunch of 40-50 year olds.
The most popular game on the planet looks like this.

>>714886890
>LoL is undeniably bigger than DOTA 2

Do you have proof that it's bigger?

>>714876104
They made that New World MMORPG that was big for a couple of months.

>>714871131
>I mean, a fucking Perfect Dark game should not take more than 2-3 years to make, if I'm being generous. So what were they doing? Clearly not working, I get that, but still, what the fuck were they doing?
Whats insane is that Anthem came out what 7 years ago I think and had ALL these problems and they learned nothing. I think for 3 years straight Bioware did absolutely nothing till the EA CEO demanded they make a proof of concept or get canned. I think the game took like 6 years to make but less than 2 were actually development. I don't work in game dev but I do make software. We do having planning phases for things but we are talking months at most of dry erase board planning. How do they go 3 years doing nothing? What do these people think or do in the office all day doing nothing? How does this not bother anyone?

>>714886652
it was cancelled two months ago

>>714886994
that game ran like such dogshit.

>>714870272
What i hate is how we had to have something as cataclysmic as Concord for the games industry higher ups to come to the conclusion of "maybe producing endless piles of steaming dogshit that no one wants to play actually ISN'T good in the long run."

It is insane something it took Anthem, Fallout 76, Starfield and Concord for them to finally realize that people actually don't want to play games that suck ass. I imagine Elden Ring's explosive success also led them to the conclusion that people want to play games that don't suck.

>>714887003
People think this is a product of AAA development, meanwhile Helldivers 2 had a dev studio of <100 people yet it needed almost 8 years to finish and still launched with less than half of the features of the first game and it's codebase is so broken it's impossible for the devs to add or change content to any extent without breaking half a dozen seemingly unrelated things.

The modern game dev has:
>No talent
>No effort
>No ability to learn
>No experience to teach

And are
>Incapable of creating anything new instead only copying things, themes and settings they have seen before but far worse as they fail to understand what made these interesting or entertaining
>Programmed to force American leftist values into games like the destruction of traditional family units, degenerate behaviour and thinking, fetishes disguised as sexuality, blind obedience to authority and laughable anti-rich rhetoric while being deadly afraid to ever target rich people in specific because they're all Jewish
>Only exist to consume resources
>Usually black/brown, part of the LGBTQPOSZ+, on the mentally challenged spectrum and female, which naturally results in lower intelligence, emotional instability, an ingrained victim mentality, total inability to see or accept their own shortcomings, pronounced laziness and habitual lying/sugarcoating along with being Incapable of getting their shit together in a work environment because they treat everywhere they go as their personal daycare

>>714887003
>I don't work in game dev but I do make software. We do having planning phases for things but we are talking months at most of dry erase board planning. How do they go 3 years doing nothing? What do these people think or do in the office all day doing nothing? How does this not bother anyone?

I think it's just poor planning, poor management, entire dev teams of clueless idiots, and project bloat. I think they just plan and plan and plan and it just starting and restarting. They're not starring at the ceiling for 8 hours a day, they're working just that it doesn't accomplish anything.

A single dev is likely busting their ass building character models, but then it is scraped, changed, or it doesn't matter because the game engine and gameplay systems arent' implimented.

>>714871880
>Be John Romero
>known for Doom
>programming is so basic kids today can easily make Doom wads many even surpass what he made
>development is basic and can be done with 10 people and a small budget
>20 years later Microsoft tells him to make them a modern AAA game
>dev process is completely different
>more bloated
>need 1000 person staff
>technology is harder and slower than the Doom days
>after many years get shut down and have nothing to show for it
I think it's detrimental to have anyone that's claim to fame is like 15+ years ago at this point unless they really kept themselves up to date. Like did Jade Raymond even do anything major after AC? This is also a good reason why people like
Shigeru Miyamoto need to fuck off and either make movies or retire because his "skills" are not relevant anymore

>>714887198
>What i hate is how we had to have something as cataclysmic as Concord for the games industry higher ups to come to the conclusion of "maybe producing endless piles of steaming dogshit that no one wants to play actually ISN'T good in the long run."
>It is insane something it took Anthem, Fallout 76, Starfield and Concord for them to finally realize that people actually don't want to play games that suck ass. I imagine Elden Ring's explosive success also led them to the conclusion that people want to play games that don't suck.

Not the conclusion the came to, the conclusion is that they have hired too many people, bought too many studios, and that demand is elsewhere. It's why their solution is to just mass fire people, and likely outsource more. The games are still going to be turds or at best polished turds.

>>714871938
would a drought affect indie games? wouldn't they be the ones to survive an extinction die off event?

>>714868151 (OP)
It's all hardware chasing to ever diminishing returns

I do NOT give a flying FUCK about shadows on a puddle

Get FUCKED Nvidia or AMD, not buying your shitty overpriced crap

>>714886975
At least as a brand, it is. I can't say about actual user numbers and I'm aware that DOTA 2 has a deceptively big userbase that most people in the US isn't aware of.

>>714887438
This is heavily downstream of corporate cost cutting policies of firing people after a few years so that no one gains any experience or leadership. They want workers that are mindless clueless drones who never get wise to anything. This is a short term cost saving measure, but it leads to the kind of problems.

If they didn't do this, then say, the Halo devs can teach new people about their custom engine. Then they learn it and pass it on. But since the people who made the engine retired, and then they fired the people after a few cycles, no one knows anything, so they have to move to Unreal.

Unreal is used because if you teach everyone the engine, then you can slot these random Unreal engine people into any project. Programmers aren't valued anymore because there's a universal engine.

All cost cutting measures for the short term, leading to idiots.

And the AAA publisher's plan is to hire more god damn Indians, which just means dumber devs not better ones.

>>714887664
>Get FUCKED Nvidia or AMD, not buying your shitty overpriced crap
Take a guess on who pays game studios to insert their logo in the games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1O1IoowHpQ

>>714868151 (OP)
>journos are just now leaning how the industry works
lmao. He's right that the bloodbath hasn't even started though.

>>714868445
>>714868767
its shitjeets and danger hairs
instead taking the nerdy white guys who actually give a fuck about games they outsourced and chose faggots
so any one who could inherit the industry was pushed out

>>714887549
You didn't have to go and ruin my cope ya know

>>714887198
>It is insane something it took Anthem, Fallout 76, Starfield and Concord
concord is the only real flop there
fallout 76 has 10k players on steam right now
people will play games that suck ass

>>714868151 (OP)
a video game is made in 1 year, anything past that is bloat and full of diminishing returns, cross the 4 years mark and anything you do has a negative effect on the final product
AAA has gone way past that, that's all there is to it

It seems like every industry has been cursed with retarded CEOs and blatant corruption.

>investors figured out your scam
>words words wordsing

>>714868597
right wingers dont have a creative core because they dont think for themselves and can only do what fox news tells them to

>>714887457
Americans in particular are masters of working overtime and long hours and yet never getting anything done.
If an American company starts a project at the same time an any European company starts a similar product the Americans will all work 14 hours a day, take no breaks, no vacations and have endless meetings, get special consultants and by the end they'll go 2-3 years over time and 12 times over budget and deliver a fucked up mess that costs even more to fix
While the European company hold one meeting, gets to work, works 6-7 hours a day, doesn't work weekends, has a 3 month vacation in the middle of the project and still finishes the project on time, in budget exactly to spec.

Americans cannot work smart, only hard.
And working hard accounts for fuck-all when you waste 90% of your time and resources because you're incompetent.

>>714887783
>Unreal is used because if you teach everyone the engine, then you can slot these random Unreal engine people into any project. Programmers aren't valued anymore because there's a universal engine.
Not that anon. This is why I hate licensed engines so fucking much.
I'm more forgiving of the people using obscure open-source engines like Irrlicht, OGRE, Panda3D, Urho3D, Löve, Stride, Torque 3D or Wintermute, though.

>>714886876
It does piss me off that the Switch 2 did well. I have nothing against Nintendo and will get one down the line but a launch like that should have not sold well. So many bad messages were sent to gaming corporations after that did well. People are speculating the PS6 will be $800 I say $1000. Some MBA faggot will say something like "they pay $1000 for new phones every year so why can't we be $1000" and he is right sadly people will buy it.

>>714888120
americans companies are built around outsourcing
so most of the "hard work" is trying to find someone else to do it who then finds someone else to do it because no actual skills are developed in america
so five contractors later you have some idiot slapped together piece of shit

>>714887942
these companies have tons of people who not only do no actual work on the game, but actively hinder the development by making the devs jump through retarded DEI hoops
it's no wonder that dev times keep going up while the number of "devs" also goes up all the time

>>714888184
I hate unreal too since it clearly degrades programming skill by design. No one knows how to program anything, only manipulate Unreal. No one knows how to make engines. And then this is likely a key reason why teams are spinning their wheels for 5 years with fuck all to show for it.

Funniest shit, si that these cost saving measures were chosen to save TIME but it's resulting in the opposite: bloat.

>>714888120
This is the most hilariously wrong post I’ve ever seen in my entire life.

>>714887925
>>714887198
some people take us back to the past

>>714888357
Consoles being $1200 is likely the only way to finally make consoletards realize that gaming only happens on PC and that they need to let go of consoles because that shit is long over and has been a scam for over 20 years.

>>714888680
americans are terrible overworked underskilled losers who cant compete and get replaced with shitskins
you have no benefits
you have no quality of life

>>714888120
Ah yes, the famous American Protestant work ethic: ride out the clock and get nothing done so you get overtime.
Butthurt eurotrash or seething seamonkey/chinaman?

As a developer who doesn't make games but knows people that do I think one of the main issues at least in the west is that when a game is finished they fire everyone and then if they make a new game which could take time to plan they may reach out and rehire those people many of which already moved on. This sounds retarded to me like you are brain draining your own staff that you went through 5+ years making a game and getting familiar with then you let them go and start over with new people. This seems like a management issue like you need something for those people to work on right away so they stay. That is apparently what this new Elden Ring was an example of, when ER finished they put a lot of the staff on Nightreign just to give them something to do and shock even this small side project apparently was a massive success

>>714888656
It's even worse when they glue Unreal (or Unity, or Godot) to a remaster of a game that didn't use any of those engines, resulting in a bloated Frankenstein. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Remastered is the worst example of this trend. A game that could fit in a single dual layer DVD, now requires three double layer Blu-ray Discs.

>>714887925
>fallout 76 has 10k players on steam right now
FO 76 is actually not bad. A lot has changed since that disastrous first year

>>714888951
because american companies view workers as expendable and not as assets
its why a billion h1b1 jeets are wanted

>>714868151 (OP)
Same thing with modern movies bloat and shit heels who can't tell a story.

>>714869969
>Imagine WoW world quests in a single player game
I don't need to imagine.

>>714871789
based milf auntie

>>714889057
That and if you fire an American there is a non-0% chance he'll come back and shoot up the place. Indians are complacent and docile as long as you aren't an underage girl.

Everything is failing right now due to nepotism and cronyism. 25 years ago if Disney's stock dropped even a tiny bit Michael Eisner would fire all his leadership. Today they lost over half their value since Covid, Star Wars is almost a dead brand and Marvel is getting there. They just had yet another animated movie bomb and yet the same management persists. Same with Sony pictures. This can't go on forever like this people need to be punished when they fuck up

>>714888747
Nope pckek, normies will never go to pc

>>714889243
this game is quite good compared to modern games
compare the animations to something like avowed, it's crazy how much better amalur looks

>>714889243
If there ever was a game that outstayed its welcome amalur is it.

Capitalism is fallible. That's why we elected Trump and suck Elon Musk's cock.

>>714868151 (OP)
Good. It all needs blown up and started over. Development times and personnel should be 1/3 of what they are.

Go woke go broke.

The failures you know are just the ones you see. For every woke game that launches and then failes, 20 more are shuttered before they even have a chance to drop a trailer. With the push for equity (forced equality) and the entrenchment of unions in games, tons of people who are unqualified are working on games now, causing suites and testers to rate these games poorly internally.

But sure, go ahead and spout "le gabidalism bad" like an NPC.

le gabidalism bad

>>714868151 (OP)
Don't spread the stupidity of degenerate websites here. They are not the standard. They don't deserve a place anywhere.

>>714870480
>I must CONSOOM latest jensen trinket!!!
>I'm ok with 500watts and $2k dollars to render somewhat realistic shadows and reflections that do absolutely nothing to make the game better

Retards like have ruined PC gaming.

>>714870837
I REALLY wish this game would have been forced through to a release. It would have been an absolutely hilarious shitshow.

Valve acquired Campo Santo in 2018, and they haven't released a single game since then. They're not even credited as a meme collaborators in other games, like branches from other publishers like Rockstar Leeds are.

>>714871238
These are the people that got fired. Its hilarious watching all of the retards on reddit cry about these people losing their jobs. They deserved to get fired. Should have never been hired in the first place, but companies wanted to spend all that sweet, sweet covid money.

overspending

>>714871541
At least indie slop is cheaper than the AAAA slop we get now.

>>714875684
>Western HR roasties will hire him

>>714888605
>b-but DEI
yea man, sure, whatever you say

>>714889416
Everything is failing because white people are a retarded species cursed with empathy. Everytime we get a good thing going we say "man life is good awwe you see that subhuman there let me him into our club because I am a nice guy and want to see others benefit" and those subhumans take advantage of our kindness and ruin fucking everything.

>>714890187
Yes.

>>714868151 (OP)
lmao okay, I mean if it's so simple, make a studio and beat all these guys to the punch

>>714890456

>>714890456
lol rofl kek that's what E33 was lmao

>>714868151 (OP)
Good

>>714870837
>taps the Deacon again
it's not always about the caps

>>714889906
My god, what are they doing? Rather than a hyper-competent super corporations I think it's leading to more waste than less. These mega-corps have infinite money, so they can pour money into endless failed projects like it's nothing.

>>714889906
think they worked on the steam deck pack-in

>>714891415
They really couldn't make time to develop another game within those 7 years?

>>714868151 (OP)
I really find this situation a bit odd, like logically speaking wouldn't multiple smaller scale projects that are guaranteed to recoup costs lead to better long term growth than one really big project with a budget inflated to hell and back?

>>714891590
Nevermind. If they were, Valve didn't bother to credit Campo Santo anywhere.
https://www.mobygames.com/game/180442/aperture-desk-job/credits/windows/

>>714870674
Thread should have ended here. The industry has no one to blame but itself.

>>714891663
>I really find this situation a bit odd, like logically speaking wouldn't multiple smaller scale projects that are guaranteed to recoup costs lead to better long term growth than one really big project with a budget inflated to hell and back?

They get so big they don't care about profit per se, as if you spend 50 dollars and make 51 back, that means everyone is paid and there's a tiny profit. So what gives? Well, you can just invest into the market and make back 5% gains, so you need to beat the market now. Gaming is just one thing among many they're invested in and they could just as easily ditch gaming.

yes, they COULD invest 100 million into 20 smaller projects, but none will give them that printing press returns like a Fortnite or GTA Online. They're all chasing returns much higher than the market.

>>714891779

>>714891901

If everything Sean Vanaman creates while being employed by Valve doesn't credit Campo Santo at all, what's the point in keeping the studio website up? It's evident that it doesn't exist any longer. The blogs are dead, too. MobyGames and Wikipedia still have to pretend they're not dead.

>>714868151 (OP)
>fill your company with incompetent pajeetos, brain dead HR made up job roasties and DEI dangerhair retards that insist you do the useless scrum meetings and assign the stupid shirt size points to tasks and all the other """agile""" overhead instead of just fucking doing them
>why is my company failing?!???!?

>>714891663
>wouldn't multiple smaller scale projects that are guaranteed to recoup costs

What? How will you guarantee that the small projects do well? Steam is full of small projects that nobody touches.

>>714868767
Those mega corporations have been around for decades though.

>>714868151 (OP)
People need to stop caring about graphics.

>>714889243
I want a sequel, this game was fun

>>714868445
FPBP.

I can't wait to watch the industry burn. will will see embarrassments on a scale never seen before. a 35 year old man living in Paraguay will use AI to create the next big game.

>>714892014

>>714868151 (OP)
If this is in reference to Microsoft, they fucked it up themselves.
Supposedly they let studios do what they want and never reined them in, compared to Nintendo and Sony.
It shouldn't take a professional studio seven years or more of development while not even announcing their games. When they don't even reveal a name let alone gameplay, that would mean the game is still a year or two away.
A studio that was shutdown was working on Perfect Dark. Remember when a new game in the series was hinted at?

>>714892616

>>714892705

>>714892227
>How will you guarantee that the small projects do well?
Proper budgeting? Hellblade is a good example, first one had a modest budget and was an unknown series and made a profit, 2 had an inflated budget and was known and didn't.

>>714877931
Lefties are definitely part of the reason that video games suck even more nowadays, but they aren't the reason development time/costs have gotten so bloated. They're simply the cherry on the shit sundae

My company is about a year behind schedule right now (gonna be 4 years instead of 3, tbd if it takes more). Right now we're pivoting to fully finish 1 chapter of the game instead of slowly working on everything at once because publishers aren't sure if we're capable of actually finishing anything.
I think the single biggest problem with studios today is that everyone is so specialized, no one cares about anything other than the very specific thing they work on. No one cares about fixing bugs unless it goes through 8 levels of bureaucracy and gets a ticket assigned to them. No one cleans up old unused data which causes file size bloat, slower load times, crashes for really old data. No one cares about understanding the engine and how it works.

>>714892405
I honestly think we're spending half of our entire budget on running and crouching animations.

>>714892786

>>714873353
>take ugly black girls
>photoshop that text onto them
why, nigger? why fabricate this shit?
oh, right, you have no credibility to begin with.

>>714876941
I saw a headline that younger people aren't buying games at the same rate as other generations.
Though when they grew up on streamers playing games and never playing themselves, why would anyone expect them to buy games?

>>714892826

>>714892796
>Proper budgeting?

That makes no sense. Even if your game doesn't have a huge budget, it won't make anyone play it. Do you think this game made a profit? Nobody played it.

https://steamcharts.com/app/1934570

>>714868151 (OP)
literally just indians and women

>>714892934

>>714893030
Shut up chuddie. It had 1k player peak. That's a profit and you just lost

>>714892883
>I think the single biggest problem with studios today is that everyone is so specialized, no one cares about anything other than the very specific thing they work on.
https://youtu.be/U4KFNhxibec?t=74

>>714893076
Maybe if developers would start releasing more GAMES instead of adaptations...that would be a decent start.

>>714875704
>>714875826
Don't forget biological females make up half or more of Gamers, but only play Bejewelled, Angry Birds, and Farmville.

>>714892996

It's a t-shirt you can buy.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/824783745/diversity-is-beauty-t-shirt-you-were

>>714892227
>How will you guarantee that the small projects do well?
Good budgeting, targeting niches, cheap but effective marketing, you know all the shit that companies did in the 6th gen.

>>714893172
It sounds like you have it all figured out. Go make a game, and then make a thread about it, and meet the people who care. I won't be there, but hopefully there's people in that thread.

>>714892883
tldr; its bureaucracy.
Always has been.
Same thing happens with any other software development

>>714893030
>>714893090
One issue is this was on Game Pass day one. Few seem to be buying games over Game Pass.
Supposedly Game Pass is now profitable.

>>714893168
nortubel tier shirt

>>714893153

>>714873353
>>714892996
>>714893168
I hope this catches on. Imagine if blacks, Mexicans, and jeets stop finding women of European descent attractive.

>>714893374

>>714892934
Women can also simply and just plainly be told what to like, if every piece of media told girls to like Batman as a superhero and not as a effeminate shopper and that you are evil if you don't comply, they will simply not change Batman. Look at how they support trannies and homosexual for example. Although things are always a bit more complicated than presented, in the case of homos and trannies there is the aspect of neutering, castration and fertility suppression that evil women like to engage in, so that further boosts the promotion of those acts.

Is your news station filled with women? Then they will promote gay shit to destroy people, unless those women are religious, and even then they might still go and engage in said neutering, castration and fertility suppression of their competitors.

>>714893153
They're not all bad, some of the best games in the 80s, 90s, and 2000s were adaptations of movies and shows.

>>714893453

>>714893397
I blame the women more than the desperate men. I've worked around city blondes and country blondes and the city ones jump on any man that it's almost embarrassing. The country ones are weird and have some sort of standards. Not the highest as the lowest I've seen them go is spic, but that's just from what I've seen.

>>714883106
Your logic is retarded because studios don't make a single game and then disband.

>>714893557

>>714868151 (OP)
Turns out everything falls apart when you fire all the competent white male coders and STEM experts who built and maintained the entire industry, and replace them with H1Jeets, outsourced third world slave labor, and leftist ideologue social-science and humanities graduates.

>>714892705
The Big Bang Theory didn't get that big until its third or fourth season.

>>714893721

>>714893557
I blame the retards that mass buy capcom games. They don't deserve any money since they're more pozzed than western companies at this point. Hopefully the good will dies and they let go of all the faggots

>>714873526
sometimes I think an AI CEO could do a better job than some of these people

>>714868445
This, that's why gaming getting pushed to Nintendo and Valve will save it, pushing the normies out.

>>714892883
>No one cares
are they paid to care?

>>714870272
>>714870350
unironically the stock market ruins everything. There is a reason privately held companies are more consumer friendly and generally have much better employee benefits and balance

>>714893783
No one likes pedantry

>>714893802
Amen

>>714877931
Normalfaggots caused all of this, Junior. They're the reason AAA even exist in the first place.

>>714885757
Same reason why everyone is raving on about "AI".
Nobody ever actually states what AI is used for, just that it's the panacea that will increase productivity and make line go up even faster, forever.
And because investors are retards with too much money and too little sense they fall for those promises.

>>714893936
If I could use the Infinity stones to wish something into reality, it would be to turn every fucking video game developer into a privately owned company.

>>714893374
This is probably something that everyone that doesn't live under a rock, you meet those DEI faggots and they try to tell you that women are equal to men, just as a good at everything, then you show some light disagreement like "I don't know about that" and they'll retort by saying that actually, women are better than men in certain regards, which is always bullshit but it doesn't matter. It's all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others. It's the "we need representation" but then when they speak about nurses or teachers they speak about it as if it's all women. Women don't succeed because of bias then they make a tax-funded fund to give tech startups money but only if you are a woman, etc.

>>714877931
>left-wing radicals are not normies
Normalfag detected

>>714877931
Take your meds freak.

Blurp

>>714893952

>>714877931
Found the failed normie.

>>714888848
The truth hurts, I know

>>714893936
Too bad people are idiots and whine about the stock market when it's up saying the rich are getting richer.
Then freak out when it's down and they're losing money in their 401k.

>>714894353

>>714893168
I have yellow fever though. Negresses are just fat and ugly. Well the mutt do anyway, east-africans can have attractive features.

>>714892616
Aren't all those subcontractors basically just graphical asset makers?
Even without all this "subcontracted work", the fatal flaws of starfield are way deeper than hiring vietnamites to model rocks or shit like that, it all comes down to the writing, fundamental game design and stuff that is done all in-house
Elden Ring for example used asset contractors too and it turned out fine

>>714888680
He's right though.
Although I want to expand on it a bit:
Americans are great at doing big things fast and causing a mess because they didn't think things through, whereas they will have endless meetings and planning on the most irrelevant bullshit.
Source: I work for a company that was bought by american investors.

>>714892705
excellent bait picture

>>714887003
>What do these people think or do in the office all day doing nothing?
Well based on some reports they drink beer, harass female employees and steal their milk.

>>714888046
*crickets*

>>714868151 (OP)
10% of the workforce puts in actual work. 90% of the workforce are in leftist day care after having been hired by their friends. Most of the game gets outsourced to jeets to pick up the slack. There's zero vision or coherent leadership because the people in power know nothing about games and only represent corporate interests looking for return on investment.
The "solution" is to just hire minimum wage jeets directly and bet on AI to pick up the slack in an effort to minimize costs

>>714868151 (OP)
cultural marxism
and it's destroying all the games, not just vidya

>>714893541
>some of the best games in the 80s, 90s, and 2000s were adaptations of movies and shows.
Like what?

>>714868151 (OP)
Rich white people have kids. Move to rich white areas. Rich white areas are insulated from reality and produce ideological little socialists who think the biggest problems in the world are women not getting paid enough, gays not having enough rights and how all the wrongs of the world boil down to evil white men. A sense of self hatred develops.

Rich white families have the resources to send their kid off to art school, so the art schools are filled with socialist white children who hate everything about their privileged world. Propagandized from birth to demonize family, honor, tradition, heroism and beauty... they bleed through society into movies, tv, music and games... they are the ones creating the majority of big publisher funded media we consume.

Their self hatred, weakness, spoiled existence and lack of pride in turn creates art that is vapid and self hating. Thus everything we watch and play feels wrong... feels soulless... feels mean spirited and hollow.

The heroes of these new creators are communists, are women wantonly murdering imaginary nazis, are gays fighting to gain acceptance as if their lifestyle was anything more than despicable fetishism. The ordinary person must search far and wide to find any media that appeals to the classic basics of humanity.

This was all made possible by decades of low interest rates producing extremely cheap money to spend on propaganda and nepotistic vanity projects. But the free money stopped 3 years ago, and the garbage in motion is still churning towards release... who knows what the future holds for US media and if it's possible to return to an era of classic storytelling and meritocracy based creatives being given a budget.

>>714894461
So you disagree that the stock market should be abolished?

>>714888848
The famous protestant work ethic is look very busy in front of everyone else because working hard is a moral good, if anything actually gets done is irrelevant. If you can do something easily you are a moral failure. Labour theory of value, ironically a communist concept.

>>714881151
How do you even know its retardation until something bad happens? He has a much wider/broader view of the company and the market than you do in your cubicle hyper focused on one single thing. You aren't going to see articles that say "well I thought my boss was being retarded but then it turns out he actually knew what he was doing and I was the retard all along".

Even if he doesn't know what he's doing, why do you care? The nice thing about being a lowly peon is that you don't have any real stake in whether the business succeeds or fails. If they make a stupid decision and go bankrupt the worst thing that will happen to you is losing your job and if you're so smart then you should be able to see it coming and bail before it affects you. Do the job you're hired for, get paid, and let that be the end of it. Don't lose sleep over it.

Lastly, if you are really so smart that you can do both his job and yours, why the fuck are you working for him? Go make your own company. If you can't, then you probably don't know as much as you think you do.

>>714894821
>Well based on some reports they drink beer, harass female employees and steal their milk.
I once had an interview for a dude bro office. My recruiter said they have a keg in the office and when you go in during the interview it will look bad if you don't drink from it (I am a recovering alcoholic). I was told it was 4 interviews followed by a night at the bar where I have a 5 minute conversation with every worker and if even a single one gets the ick from me I don't get the job. This was for a 60k a year job. I kindly told him to fuck off. I hate modern offices and interviews

>>714894994
Spiderman2

>>714868445
brown people and ideologue women

>>714888848
>the famous American Protestant work ethic
Its not the 1950's anymore. America is a lazy Catholic spic country now. The Pope is American.

>>714895183
How is that first semester as an economy major working out for you?

>>714868445
You mean non-whites, women and jews

>>714873353
European Beauty

3 billion Indian and Chinese

>>714894461
>401k
I don't care what some third world mutt thinks about the world

>>714868151 (OP)
DEI crap is the problem

>>714873392
it must be tough being so stupid

>>714868151 (OP)
I was gonna blame PMs, but then thought that in a AAA game's development cycle, they probably get switched around on a yearly basis.

>>714872429
The crazy thing is that modern game tech should make EVERYTHING easier.

2003ish and earlier you had to box model every single 3D model, meticulously unwrap them as perfectly as possible so that you could then hand paint every single thing in the game. Every polygon was expensive and tons of tricks were used just to get things working. On top of that nearly every game was rolling their own engine and their own tools simultaneously. So each game was shipping in 1 to 2 years with a custom engine and hand painted assets... It was a time of extreme artistic and programming effort to ship a game.

But today we have MASSIVE memory budgets in engines. Every tool you could ever want is already ready to go and battle tested in Unreal. Artists get to sculpt every asset with as much detail as they like, then procedurally apply materials and bake crevices and make them beautiful all with software... no hand painting required (which takes a lifetime of mastery to get good at). Levels are sculpted in real time, with modular assets placed like legos to build worlds, trees and grasses are painted on and technology does the heavy lifting on simulating particles, fire, water and light to insane degrees...

So all this automation, all these tools make game development significantly easier than it was pre 2000s... yet games take 5x longer to make and feel less creative, less interesting and less "interactive".

How is it that Gothic (2001) has more impressive systemic NPC AI than any modern RPG game? It's definitely not a tech problem... it's a lack of good creators, good talent and well applied budgets.

>>714883047
>when you attack white straight men and replace their superior talent with DEI garbage
Nah that's total BS. The main reason AAA games are struggling is just raw greed. The publishers don't want single player games for $35-$50 in a one time buy box format.
So most everything at the AAA level is a live service and/or forced micro-transactions shit-fest etc. Bending content to fit that profit model at all costs. While dumb'ing everything down for mass consumption.
Trying to endlessly knock off popular trends to cash in. Overwatch makes a billion++ and we get a bunch of hero shooters. Extraction shooters are popular? More knock offs. Make it 3rd person to show off micro-transaction skins. Have loading screen show team and skins and other stuff.. Etc etc
Everything AAA starts to feel the same and bland. Trends die but AAA takes so long to make crap that isn't popular anyone keeps dropping years too late. While every AAA publisher or dev with a hit IP is terrified to try to make a new one. So we get sequels and spin offs like Hollywood. Yet that gets old fast..

>>714868151 (OP)
the issue is that people who made this shit work got pushed out of the industry by people with good networking skills just wanting to have an easy, well paying jobs.
and now there is no one left to make shit work

>>714873661
HAHAHAHA, these idiots really think you can make the right with no detriment to society? Even if it was the left, it would be fine, 75% of everything is still for me? WOW, I must have it made. The reality is that after everything else, I used to have 25% of that pie, with 25% also going to blacks. We each had our own piece and I was happy with that. Now they say that I can't have my own piece, I have to cut that piece in half and share it with the blacks because I OWE THEM. Not that society owes them (that 25% is what society was already giving them), but that I myself MUST give it to them, or I am a bigot/racist. Fuck them, they don't contribute shit.

>>714890201
Yes exactly. White empathy only works with other whites. Whites used to see other races as sub or non humans. Whether that's true or not, whatever, but the point is they correctly saw them as substantially different enough as to not be included as equals in their society, as did every other race when they encountered other races not their own. I wonder (((why))) that changed.....

>>714895318
We get it, you're smarter than everyone who ever lived.

>>714896287
ywnbaceo
(You will never be a CEO)

>>714894994
Star Wars, Disney, and LotR games.

>>714895261
I do sometimes regret not being able to call some of my corpo co-workers retarded niggerfaggots because they deserve it, but I just can't imagine working at those broffices. They are just alcoholics and no work gets done, it's just unsustainable.

>>714888046
We're creative.

>>714868151 (OP)
not my problem

>>714894994
>>714896503
Blade Runner, too. The Indiana Jones and Sam & Max graphic adventures were also pretty good.

>>714888046
>>714894830
Not everyone wears their politics on their sleeves.
There was a bunch of hooplah over Ion Fury because of gay and trans jokes by the devs. No one would have known about that if chats weren't leaked.
All the dog whistles they make must have some creativity behind them.

>>714884014
>explain how left wings radicals increase development cost and time

>>714868837
>>714868990
and the worst part is that if a game flops hard enough the company in question gets bailed out by the government.
literally their only punishment was not getting stinking rich from whatever piece of shit game they launched that flopped

>>714871880
You had this back in the day with John Romero too.
And Kojima and Igarashi vs Itsuno for the Japanese.

>>714881151
The counterpoint is when you just toss money at projects, and lack of oversight results in the teams burning cash instead of trying to get output.

But the problem in modern game dev is that you don't get to speak to your boss.
And neither does your employer, and neither do the region manager. This works fine if its a primary or secondary economic unit(extraction or refining), as there is still a conversion rate from money to resources.
But with services, its very different. You can have a large papertrail saying there is work being done, when its all just meetings and flying over the country in chase of trying to get to work.

>>714891901
ohhh the reddit spacing...

>>714877931
Aka normalfags.

>>714893721
kek

>>714868151 (OP)
Unironically normies.
The more nerdy and weird something is the more likely it's going to be full of enthusiasts. The more normal and popular it is the more it's going to be full of people who don't really care, who see money and nothing else, who just want a job, and the product itself to be sanitized, palatable and advertiser friendly.

Game studios unironically should just be 5 white guys and like one or two asian guys who all like the game they're making.

>>714877931
>he doesn't know

>>714895906
Wrong.
You handpainted to compensate for ingame shading or the 16^2 or 32x32 icon sizes.

Procedure has stayed the same for very long:
Cinematic model using a material library or get actor scans on a render model -> bake into ingame model -> possibly paint/touch up
>Artists get to sculpt every asset
Which is slower.

Tilesets and BSP got left behind for just modelling the levels as well, which is also its own can of worms.

>>714892227
>Steam is full of small projects
Steam is full of indie level projects.
AAA Companies don't need to go that far, even just budgeting their games around tens of million of dollars (IE Clair Noir/Pirate Yakuza) instead of hundreds of millions.

They should be making more focused games than big games trying to do a lot.
Then if one of those focused games does well then they can scale up provide that dev team more resources to expand their proven work

>>714887564
Exactly

>>714898204
The image you posted is hand painted textures for a specific warcraft art the style. The vast majority of modern games materials are generated in Substance Designer.

Almost all modern game environment art is done with modular pieces now, no one is straight up modeling levels.

My point about sculpting is that the entire workflow is all engineering now. It used to be very painterly, you painted the face on, painted the leather, painted the jean fabric. Now you sculpt every feature, model every belt buckle and just slap a material on each part. They don't have to sacrifice anything, they can make exactly what they want. There are no limitations.

You make one leather material and use it with sliders to modulate its properties for every single leather object in the game. Turn one slider up for more scratches and chips, another for dirt and roughness, etc. These sorts of innovations and new technology should make things easier as opposed to the old ways of having to paint every single leather object uniquely for every asset.

>>714870674
This image perfectly describes the entire AAA game industry.