>1.3 million signatures
Face it, gamers won.

Cool it with the antisemitism.

>>715084794
JEWSJEWSJEWSJEWSJEWSJEWSJEWSJEWSJEWSJEWSJEWSJEWS SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FUCKING FAGGOT HOLY FUCK

>>715084643 (OP)
so did nortubel

>>715085019
Why do you want all jews to die? Are you a nazi or something?

>i want you to own the games you buy
>NOOO YOU FUCKING RAT FUCK OFF COMMIE
how do you even reach this mind set?

>>715084643 (OP)

You will accomplish nothing and if the only reason people even paid attention to your initiative was youtuber forced drama then it was doomed from the start.

>>715085379

Because you're see through you pathetic loser, you only cared about the initiative because your daddy Asmongold or whatever other youtuber you have a parasocial relationship with told you to.

SKG has been around since 2020. You didn't care about it until the pirate software drama. The second you saw some youtube drama to latch onto you SUDDENLY started to care and make some us vs them mentality. You're genuinely pathetic.

>>715085675
thats a lot of projection, my guy

>i want you to own your games
>you're see through you pathetic loser, you only cared about the initiative because your daddy Asmongold or whatever other youtuber you have a parasocial relationship with told you to.
>SKG has been around since 2020. You didn't care about it until the pirate software drama. The second you saw some youtube drama to latch onto you SUDDENLY started to care and make some us vs them mentality. You're genuinely pathetic.
how do you even reach this mind set?

>>715085379
they'll never give you the ownership. it will always be license. unless you're billionaire and can afford it.

>>715086084
40 years of console war propaganda

the only thing gamers won is more government controlling their lives

>>715086476
Big bad gobernment made corpos and companies stop dumping poison in your drinking water so I guess we should remove those pesky commie regulations huh?

>>715086084
I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying this is wrong, cause its absolutely true. Nobody gave a singular fuck about this until Pirate gave it a face and it morphed into a hate campaign.

>>715086476
>basic customer rights are gommunism!!!
Amerigoy post

>>715086084
> Despite not previously caring about the issue, i want daddy government to get even more involved in this and regulate everything even more!! All to spite that Pirate Software my favorite youtuber told me to hate!

>>715086843
>muh consumer reddits
Just don’t buy the product, idiot. Do you need daddy gubbermint to step in and tell you to wipe your ass too?

>>715084689
>Gabe wins by doing nothing
>Again

>>715084689
What's the source of this anyway? How would I check if all those companies have "lobbied" against stop destroying games?

>>715084643 (OP)
You will get everything you're asking for. But nothing you want.

>>715086476
Ownership is not related to communism

Goyslop consumers need EU's help to stop them from clicking "buy"

>>715087069
>>715086869
absolute cattle, holy shit

>>715087458
> Y-you're CATTLE!!!!
> *goes back to watching asmongold to know what opinion he should have and what other youtuber like pirate software he should hate*

>>715086476
>Ownership rights are communism
the strongest goy

>>715084643 (OP)
Very interesting

>>715087596
Maybe these devs should let someone smarter take care of their own interests.

>1.3 million botted signatures
okay?

Why is kiwi farms eceleb spam allowed on /v/ but Billy Mitchell threads are not?

>>715084689
>no game ownership
>artifact
>CS

>>715087691
because silly bitchell lost

>>715084689
he literally shut down CSGO and made it unplayable and started DMCA'ing everyone trying to bring it back

>>715084643 (OP)
what did they win

>>715086476
>nooo you can't make the government regulate megacorps to make them stop fucking you in the ass, that is LE COMMUNISM

>>715087843
They're gonna make another shoah.

>>715087205

>>715087114
https://www.videogameseurope.eu/news/statement-on-stop-killing-games/
https://www.videogameseurope.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/VGE-Position-Discontinuation-of-Support-to-Online-Games-04072025.pdf
https://www.videogameseurope.eu/about/our-board/
https://www.videogameseurope.eu/about/our-membership/
>literally all the evil powers in the games industry

>>715087114
Members, who have to pay a membership fee: https://www.videogameseurope.eu/about/our-membership/
Their stance against STK: https://www.videogameseurope.eu/news/statement-on-stop-killing-games/

>>715084643 (OP)
How much more are you going to spam this worthless piece of shit and have me just constantly filter your files?

>>715087205
Yeah, just like with Apple going USB-C.

Oh wait, now all my friends and I can share charging cables! And I live in the fucking USA. Crazy, isn't it?

>>715086869
Honestly if you're a "muh small government" libertarian in the current year you should probably kill yourself
Please tread on me as long as its a PRIVATE boot

>>715084689
He pioneered not owning games

It's making news around in EU member countries now

>>715087596
>NOOOO!!
>YOU ARE OBLIGATED TO RESPOND TO OUR DEMANDS OR LESS WE FUCKING LYNCH YOU WORTHLESS CUNT!!!
>EITHER YOU'RE WITH US OR YOU'RE AGAINST US!! FUCK YOU!!!
You niggas signing this shit are genuinely fucked in the head.

>>715088252
I don't understand how libertarians can accept being bullied by corporations.

>>715087114
posted it again award
this is the new corpo cope
it doesn't even make sense

No you did not win, this petition will not achieve anything.
And reminder skiggers were proven to be tourists and e-celeb cultists. And now they are on a quest to end 4chanx.

>>715088309
I have never owned more games than ever thanks to Valve.

>>715084689

>>715087539
>not buying every single GAASslop that comes out makes you cattle

>>715087539
>projecting like IMAX
kek, no wonder you're so easily influenced if you stare at streamers all day long.

Who controls the gaming crown,
Who keeps all the indies down?

We doooo, we dooo.

>>715084689
Gabe already changed their system months ago to make sure you knew you weren't actually "buying" a "game".

>>715085019
>>715084794
>something, anything happens
>he inmediatly thinks about da joos
What makes a man fall this far?

>>715088583
>I have never owned more licenses than ever thanks to Valve.*

>>715088942
>month ago
it was fucking years ago, and if you look at other publisher liscences this kind of thing even existed before steam and you were even tasked to destroy your physical disk instead of keeping it.

>>715084643 (OP)
fuck is this about?

>>715084689
Valve is horrible company that routinely censors games on its storefront, fuck off redditor.

>>715089027
Explain the difference.

>>715089152
communism

>>715088079
>membership fee
you cant be this cucked

>>715089260
do your own research shill

>>715087205
i wonder what his dad thinks about him right now

>>715089256
I literally see hentai games with full hardcore penetration. You're retarded.

>>715089027
When Valve goes bankrupt in 150 years I'll sure look stupid

>>715089265
dam

>>715089152
Bullying corpos, killing jews and making americans mad.
We'll also have more rights at the end of it all.

>>715089331
I wonder what the parents of the people spamming these threads think about their failed offspring

>>715089002
If there is money, there are jews

>>715084643 (OP)
Gamers lost

>>715089353
>suddenly not owning things is good out of 10

>>715089293
No really. How does it "owned" vs "licensed" make a difference?

>>715086685
>hate campaign
do you work at kotaku?

>>715089386
what rights will you gain?

>>715087843
They won the ability to take their petition to the EU to be told "what the fuck is this shit? No, NEXT"

>>715088942
That was to comply with Californian legislation.
It has nothing to do with the EU.

Actually- it has ONE thing to do with the EU:
If Valve were to actually want to force the interpretation that you're only buying a license for a game to be used exclusively through Steam, then they're selling you - by legal definition - a digital service, rather than digital content. In which case they can no longer ask Europeans to waive their 14 day right of withdrawal, since the waiver option exists solely and strictly for digital content - NOT for digital services. This means any game bought on Steam would regardless of actual playtime, be fully refundable within 14 days - period. No legal way for Valve to deny it.

Actually pushing this move through would end up a HUGE monkey's paw for them.

>corpo
Why do underage streamerfags keep saying this? Do they think they're in Cyberpunk?

>>715089546
not spoonfeeding you niggerfaggot
kill yourself and stop replying

>>715089703
But digital ownership gives you more rights than physical, so I am confused at what specifically "physical" would be better at.

>>715089597
I'll own what I bought and paid for.

>>715089546
Right to resell.
Right to not have the copy you own be altered post-sale by adding intrusive anti-cheat; annoying ad-ware launchers; invasive privacy-policies allowing harvesting of your data; etc.

>>715089678
>she doesn't know

>>715089546
are you not familiar with ownership as a legal concept?

>>715089152
gaymers dared to ask for some consumer rights so corporations started saying it's not possible and you should own nothing and be happy

>>715089027
Every single game you've ever bought was licensed

>>715089817
Fun fact: in the EU it actually legitly does. For a physical copy on a carrier medium, the trader that sold you the copy only is liable for its correct functioning for 2 years. For digital content added to an online library that can be installed on demand, and which - as it is legally called - 'remains in continuous supply,' the trader remains liable for defects for as long as said supply lasts.

>>715089886
you will not. games will be licensed.

>>715089913
>Right to resell.
Nope. Game stores disallowed PC games from being traded in.
>but eBay!
Yeah, worthless because everyone just pirated or used cd key generators. The only reason to buy a legit copy was for online gameplay, but if you're buying on eBay you would have to trust the person that they didn't save a copy of the CD Key somewhere. Or they got banned from it.

>>715088779
Who robs morons of their rights,
Who rigs every Game Awards night?

We dooo, we dooo.

>>715089913
None of this is in the SKG agenda. They are not asking for ownership. They are asking to force devs to make games playable when companies deem them no longer profitable.
You have no idea what you are even signing.

>>715090103
A permanent license is fine too.

>>715090178
That won't happen
If this thing ever gets legislated which seems unlikely, you'll just get warranties

>>715086476
Let posts like these be a reminder that the tiny hats have already won (in the US).

>>715090103
The concept of buying a license doesn't exist in the EU. The US-centric industry 'gold standard' of consumers purchasing a perpetual license via lump sum payment is interpreted by the EU Court of Justice to be a purchase of a good, where the terms of the license become ancillary to the contract of sale, and are limited in their effect by your given legal rights - which they cannot override.

>>715090297
You don't need to accept your loss right now. You have till the end of the month to have it rubbed in your face.

>>715088942
this, valve already admitted you own nothink and steamies ate it up anyway
no point in lobbying against it

if any other company flat-out admitted this there would be riots in the streets

>>715090383
>The concept of buying a license doesn't exist in the EU
Yes it does
This threads never cease to amaze with their confident ignorance, licenses are the ONLY way you can own games

>>715090125
>Nope. Game stores disallowed PC games from being traded in.
Non-sequitur. The fact that you can't force another legal person to buy something, does not mean you don't have a right to sell that something.

>>715084643 (OP)
Woooo! Can't wait to pay $90 for games and just also have LESS of them to play! Woooo! No more new ideas!

We #Won bros!!!

>>715090421
You aren't guaranteed to have something work forever for any other product
Why would it happen for video games

>>715087205
After seeing him try to act all smug/indignant when talking about his coding for game maker studio of all things, his opinion is literally worthless to me

>>715089347
See, you're literally doing the reddit thing.
>How can there be censorship if there is still X???

>>715084689
Valve is the exact type of company who wouldn't give a shit about any of the regulations that come out of this. They're a small and nimble studio, and they do their own software.

>>715090160
That wasn't the question being replied to. The question being replied to, was what the difference in afforded rights between ownership and license would be - and why ownership would be better.

>>715090509
Because games do work forever as long as the kikes don't go out of their way to kill them.

>>715084643 (OP)
Gamers are retarded and their ideas are unworkable.

Not one gamer has been able to answer
>Let's say stop killing games passes
>now lets say roblox wants to shut down
>what would "keeping the game from being completely unplayable" ACTUALLY, AND SPECIFICALLY obligate Roblox to do?

Without retard memes like "lol they should be shut down anyways", because you're retarded if you think
>we just don't prevent you from using the client or actively take it away
means much without support for anything the client does, including all the servers that client connects to, not supporting the routing server for backend netcode, not supporting any official servers handling game asset downloading, accounts, transactions, and all the actual grease and pipework that a game company is constantly supporting on a project like that.

If what you actually want is
>A protected right to reverse engineering to support private servers, so the fans can do all that themselves
fine, but if the company's dead, you can already do that, and if it's not, no country that actually cares about enforcing copyright law is ever going to approve that because you're necessarily going to be serving a fuckton of the company's copyrighted content as part of the project.

Go get mad at international copyright law in the digital space: if this shit's your baliwick and you fix that, you don't need a campaign to 'stop killing games'.

>>715090596
No they don't
Games from 20 years ago don't work on modern operating systems

>>715090540
>>715090470
LMAO at these two conflicting statements that both argue against digital ownership.

>>715090160
>None of this is in the SKG agenda. They are not asking for ownership
This. If you are signing this with the expectation that you are going to "own" your games, you're in for a shock.
Fucking retards don't even know what they are arguing about.

>>715090667
How does me calling Valve cucks for censoring games argue against ownership?

>>715090641
And yet I can still play my copy of DOOM without any hassle.
Funny how games can live forever if you don't go out of your way to kill them, huh?

>>715090461
Wrong. You own the copy you buy. The ownership by itself gives you a usage right.

Because videogames are a creative work they also fall under protection of EU copyright legislation which typically forbids reproduction and distribution rights unless expressly granted. That's where licensing comes in: you need a license if you want to commercially redistribute.

You DON'T need a license to simply use. Your ownership rights over the copy take care of that.

>>715090484
>stop killing games
>look inside
>games are being killed before they even begin

>>715090919
Yeah because it was updated you fucking dumbass

>>715090936
You own a license, yes
All IP is licensed to you for use and has been since before video games existed
You don't know what you're talking about

>>715090978
And SKG will make you have to patch the game before ceasing support and all games will live forever.

>>715090974
>Moving the death of games from palliative care to abortion

>>715084689
Oh stop simping, they already kiked out on this issue.

>>715085379
by being disgusting amerimutt cattle

>>715084689
They're on another jewlist.

>>715084643 (OP)
Not yet. WE need more signatures just to be sure. Don't stop telling your European friends about this. Videogame publishers are evil and will try underhanded tactics. Ensure that the most amount of people who like videogames and are interested in their consumer rights know about this. Let's get 2 million signatures!

>>715091173
Valve doesn't own the games they sell you either. They are just a distribution platform for publishers. The only reason they say this is because California made them.

>>715090509
Actually - you are. If you're Dutch.
The Dutch civil code holds traders that sell products or services to consumers indefinitely liable for those products or services to be fit for purpose and conform to contract and expectation.

For software, which intrinsicly exhibits zero wear, that means users may legally expect it to last forever and keep functioning for as long as they have a compatible hardware environment capable of executing that software. And as soon as they don't, EU legislation facilitates a legal right to reverse engineer as well as break through DRM to achieve interoperability in e.g. emulated environments.

>>715090936
ownership would imply my steam licenses are transferable under eu rules? is it so?

>>715090627
roblox is free to play
you cannot buy it
retard

>>715090936
I feel like this anon has never read a EULA in his life.

>>715084689
Steam is cancer. Why do people support cancer is beyond me.

>>715084689
This is because Valve does nothing.
(apart from releasing random updates for Steam that nobody asked for but turns out is absolutely and utterly based)

>>715091048
Yes, they're totally going to pass a law which makes you maintain games forever, despite no other product in the world giving you this guarantee

>>715086158
Nobody is talking about owning all of the IP, dumbass.

>>715090752
I live in the EU. I already own the copies of my games. Now I just want proper enforcement of that concept, so US corporate rats can't remote-killswitch them.

>>715091452
You don't need to maintain it forever. Just patch it so it won't die.

>>715091302
>facilitates a legal right to reverse engineer as well as break through DRM to achieve interoperability in e.g. emulated environments.
That's not making the developers fix it though

>>715091518
If you want a game to work forever you have to patch it forever to keep up with hardware and software you fucking idiot

>>715091373
On this topic, it will be so funny seeing Daddy EU coming after the 14 year olds who made a roblox game at 9 years old being fined 100.000 euro because they didn't offer support when they hit puberty

>>715091373
It's a ceteris paribus point, retard, it's getting at a broader problem
>envision a world where roblox cost a dollar: call it Doblox
>Same everything else - same users, players, games, servers, netcode, etc.
>what would "keeping the game from being completely unplayable" ACTUALLY, AND SPECIFICALLY obligate Doblox to do?

>>715086476
>owning things makes you a communist
Huh?

>>715091569
No, just do it once and the community will do the rest.

>>715091515
>I already own the copies of my games

>>715091569
You don't get it dude 10 year old software should just work forever with no support needed
>Posted to 4chan
The irony.

>>715091630
How will the community do it if you're not giving out the source code to your IP?

>>715091630
So are you saying that all games should be open source?

>>715091025
>You own a license, yes
No. You own the copy of the software. The license is treated as ancillary terms to contract, and being ancillary are limited in what they can do.
Among other things essential precontractual information such as terms defining the nature or effective period of validity of the contract or availability of the product cannot be governed by ancillary terms.

>>715091664
He is right. Go check EU law.

It's called being white.

>>715091680
>No. You own the copy of the software
That's another way of saying you own a license
You need to do your research on this

>>715091672
That's not your problem, shill kun. Just patch the game and go shut down some other studio or whatever it is you do.
>>715091678
They should, but that has nothing to do with SKG.

>>715091572
Commie: You see, I'm nice, if your game is really 100% free, which means you are paying non-stop for the servers with literally nothing in return, I will spare you.

>>715091796
For a game to last forever it has to be open sourced or continually updated by the developers
Neither of these are things that will happen

>>715091718

>>715091664
>mutt can't comprehend that people in other countries actually have rights

>>715084689
>makes no games
>not on the list
it makes sense.

but on the DEI list

>>715091796
Jesus Christ you eceleb stream watchers are brain broken as fuck. That is the problem because without the source code the community can't update it and the game won't last forever.

>>715091025
>You don't know what you're talking about
https://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=&docid=246082&pageIndex=0&doclang=EN&mode=req&dir=&occ=first&part=1&cid=7377978

>the Court (Fourth Chamber) hereby rules:
> The concept of ‘sale of goods’ referred to in Article 1(2) of Council Directive 86/653/EEC of 18 December 1986 on the coordination of the laws of the Member States relating to self-employed commercial agents must be interpreted as meaning that it can cover the supply, in return for payment of a fee, of computer software to a customer by electronic means where that supply is accompanied by the grant of a perpetual licence to use that software.

Sale of software under perpetual license, incl. video games, is sale of goods.

Seethe and cope.

>>715091882
Go on, trade your digital games. Resell them. You own it, right?

>>715091862
Like I said, not your problem, shill.
Do your part and go fuck yourself, don't worry about the rest.

>>715086476
>yes, I need EU to tell me what to do
>and Adolf Leyen should also tell everyone else what to do

>>715091974
>can't come up with a logical response
>screech and throw a tantrum
this movement in a nutshell

>>715091961
Where did I say it wasn't a sale of goods? I said it was a license, which you just agreed with, you fucking idiot

>>715088079
>membership subscription fee
GayB goes "yikes, not paying the money I got from retarded user base paying for subscriptions for shitty subscriptions lol"

>>715092057
It's a bunch of screeching autists who have never made a game in their life.

>>715092163
Who cares that they haven't made a game, they have no basic knowledge of the law or what they're even arguing for
They just want blood, literally a mob waving pitchforks

>>715092163
Post game, mr. game dev.

>>715091572
>dalit completely ignores the refutation
>>715091585
im not a lawmaker
>also moving the goalpost
retard

>>715092229
I just want to play video games

>>715092229
They trust commies.
You should never trust commies.

>>715092305
People who just want to play video games wouldn't be screaming and throwing a tantrum over some shitty single player live service game they're never even going to touch

>>715091452
eu cultivates its brown consumer biomass with affection almost equaling its hate of european nations. why not throw a bone here as a pr stunt? talk of "owning your games" is obviouly delusional, but license terms could face regulation to address some grievances - real or imaginary - skg has raised.

Just signed.

>>715084689
goddamn what a king.

>>715086476

>>715092375
>but license terms could face regulation to address some grievances - real or imaginary - skg has raised.
It's unlikely but it's possible
What will happen is they'll be given a warranty - this game must work for 1/2/3/4/5 years
Just like their laws against planned obselecence
The idea of making developers just hand over their server code to everyone is ridiculous and will never happen

>>715088583
>I have never owned games thanks to Valve
Fixed

>>715092365
Why do you hate video games?

>>715092648
Who says I hate video games
This campaign is "I hate video game developers", which is a stupid sentiment to have, because they make the things you like

>>715084643 (OP)
i only play games that have been dead at least a decade, so they can't be killed :-)

>>715092234
I have made 5 dogshit games that never went up for sale while learning gamedev. I am working on a project now. It will be completely unaffected whatever the outcome of this since it has no online components, but I understand how this is both completely unfeasible for solo devs to comply with. It will limit creative freedoms of indie games and make the industry stale.
If my next game has any online components I simply won't make it available for sale in the EU.

>>715092709
You spelled "publishers" wrong.

>>715092923
often they're the same company
ubisoft is a developer and publisher

>>715092778
Good fuck your game

>>715085379
Contrarianism

>>715092778
Yeah, you never made any game, shill.

>>715092969
Great so I hate publishers of which some are also developers. But I love any developer that isn't part of a corporate structure trying to fuck me in the ass.

>>715093016
Thanks, there's no fucking component in my game though. Maybe in the next one.

>>715087069
>Just don’t buy the product, idiot.
just don't sign the petition

>>715093186
All developers have to go through the corporate structure trying to fuck you in the ass if they want to make any money or get published

>>715092778
>I wont make a game if I can't ripoff my customers!
Uh... okay then? No one loses except you.

>>715093234
Decades of PC use have taught me to agree to everything without reading it. It's literally impossible NOT to sign the petition.

>>715084689
reminder that Valve basically popularized Loot Boxes and DRM, they aren't the le wholesome good guys /v/ seems to think they are

>>715084689
CD Projekt are not on the list right?

keep screeching ameritards

>>715093323
Notch didn't

>>715093360
ok

>>715087205
// Stop Making Objects
alarm[0] = 0;
alarm[1] = 0;
alarm[2] = 0;
alarm[3] = 0;
alarm[4] = 0;
alarm[5] = 0;

>>715084643 (OP)
>1.3M signatures
I look forward to the EU tossing out all those 1.2M fake signatures.

>>715093360
i didn't even read the text i just signed the petition so i could play whatever game i now own as a result of signing it

>>715093451
Notch sold his game to Microsoft

>>715093405
They are. They are part of "Video Games Poland" who are part og "Video Games Europe", like CryTek

>>715093405
Bottom, second from left is video games Poland of which cdpr are in cahoots

>>715093186
Are you dobson? You don't need to explain every personal opinion. Just admit you're having a tantrum and want revenge like a wittle child.

>>715088359
Strawman

>be indie dev
>make a game with a feature I think is cool that requires an internet connection
>game does poorly
>oh well, I will shut it down so I don't bleed money
>Ursula von der Leyen walks in and begins whipping my anus
>MAKE ZE GAME WORK OFFLINE!
>Anal lacerations cause me to bleed out and die
>Leyen sends bill to my child for not complying

>>715087691
>Muh irrelevant 60yo cheater
Thank God threads about that grifter are getting banned, get fucked, retard

>>715088583
Gaben now decides to completely kill Steam servers and wipes all data. Thousands of accounts lose access to their game library. Millions of "game licenses" simply gone.
Now what?

>>715093612
That'll teach you for crossing gamers

>>715093497
He was a successful, self published, millionaire game developer before that happened.

>>715093665
So being rich before becoming a sellout makes it ok?

>>715093501
>>715093530
Kinda hypocritical of them when they are behind GOG

>>715093493
You can't own any service games ,or PC games in general. You want the right to play games you bought. Not play games you own. Small distinction.

>>715093612
just delete the feature and make it an offline game without any extra change

>>715093643
>that will never happen :'(

>>715093540
I wouldn't need to explain my original point of I hate publishers if you weren't playing dumb with whataboutisms

>>715093820
>I hate publishers
No you don't. You worship Gabe.

>>715093612
>be indie scammer
>come up with ponzie scheme to steal money
>steal gamers money
>deletes ponzie scheme
>leaves
>europol now on your ass
>jail scammer

>>715093706
It proves your point of every developer requiring a corporate publisher for success invalid.

>>715093767
Yes, because online features don't require complex integrations, you just delete the code and it works!
Game dev is so fucking easy, why don't people understand this.

>>715084689
Why isn't Valve on the list?

>>715093706
what would be the chances of Notch just stop working on MC if he didnt sell it to Michaelsoft?

>>715093878
I have never bought anything on steam. I do have orange box and portal 2 for ps3 but I got those at a yard sale.

>>715093889
Are you fucking dumb? Are you going to use literally the most popular video game of all time as an example everyone should follow?

>>715093708
I don't think all of them agree with the statement put out by VGE, but then again, it's their fault for even entering themselves into a lobbyist group, and I don't think they would dare make a statement about it because that's not how business works. CDPR have been shady in the past too. CDPR strikes me as the kind of company with a lot of internal division, it doesn't help that basically all of the former employees left.

>>715085379
Americans literally pay their government to give that money to Boeing as subsidies so that Boeing can continue to lay off workers, replace them with foreigners and continue to kill people without consequences.
They cannot contradict what their real masters say.

>>715093736
We live in the society where people prefer owning things over being happy.

>>715093984
Changes nothing about what I said.

>>715093974
He already stopped working on it long before MS bought it. Jeb had been the lead dev 3 years before the microsoft sale.

>>715093996
I think the overwhelming popularity of Minecraft is a perfect example of a game developer being successful without corporate sponsorship. How could I prove your point invalid if I used an unsuccessful game?

>>715093643
>every 5 years entire console game library is invalidated with new console unless you keep the old console
>Steam has been running 22 years and everyone's library has been fully intact across all their systems

Hmmmmmmm

It's important to remember developers aren't people and what their doing isn't really a job or a talent. Literally anyone can open blender for free and start making a videogame. What SKG will do to them isn't just morally correct but also religiously ordained. If they aren't going to do it for free, then they will be forced to do it for free. Devs are parasites on society and should be treated as such, seeing as how they produce no real world products with any tangible benefit. Ban coding for profits. If it doesn't belong to all of humanity than we don't need it.

>>715085379
SKG has nothing to do with game ownershp. Sorry you thought it did.

>>715094114
I don't worship Gabe but I do like what he's doing with deep sea exploration discovering unknown life forms.

>>715094174
It was successful without a publisher because it was exceptionally popular and had low development costs because it's a very primitive game
Doesn't work if you want a game with good graphics

>>715091509
Nobody brought up IP ownership, dumbass.

>>715093708
They also forumban anyone pointing it out.

>>715091380
NTA, but a EULA does not override consumer laws. That's actually a point Ross made a long time ago - that license agreements are blatantly illegal and in the case of any other product would be laughed out of a courtroom.

>>715090135
hearty chuckle

>>715094225
>>Steam has been running 22 years and everyone's library has been fully intact across all their systems
Unless you sell your PC

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

>>715094418
>- that license agreements are blatantly illegal
They aren't

Guys a new version of windows just dropped. Any games sold previously now need to be updated to work on DX13.
Time to spend a bunch of dev hours to make it work.

>>715093530
>>715093501
>>715093708
A different studio, also nominally part of it, has officially stated they had no part in that statement, were not consulted about it in any way, nor were they even given any hint as to it being released.

>>715094363
There goes the goalposts. My favorite game is chess. Fuck graphics

>>715094225
Steam literally just did several rounds of "update your windows to the latest one or you can't game here anymore" and everyone just nodded like "yes daddy gabe". Please be trolling. Gabe ain't your friend either. He's a developer and should never be trusted.

>>715094254
I disagree.

>>715094597
>All games should look like Chess or Minecraft
I'm sure everyone wants this, yes

>>715094546
They wouldn't hold up in EU courts. You OWN the copy you purchase in perpetuity per our consumer laws, just like any other product.

>>715092304
>you're moving the goalpost
the goalpost was and is
>"many serious games, particularly ones that see significant ongoing online support and maintenance, would immediately stop working if their company shut down.
>what obligations are you SPECIFICALLY expecting for these kinds of games?
You still haven't answered this question as a GAMER, even if you don't feel confident enough to answer it from a lawmaker's perspective.

>>715094602
>Never trust the people who make the things you like

>>715094715
I hope you're using windows 11 by 2026.
Yes. That's exactly right. In fact. That's all the more reason to never trust them, lest you want them to have you by the balls again forever.

Friendly and eternal reminder that the one and only attribute that both the American and Indian constitutions shares is their ravenous desire to suck any corporation's or brand's cock.

The very idea that a government is there to actually govern, rather than give up billions in gibs to niggers, browns and spics, or to wage endless wars, is absurd to them.

>>715094602
DRM is an issue too. Who will argue with this?

>>715084689
>the equivalent of Sauron calling all of its forces to Mordor

>>715094602
>Windows 7 schizos have entered the thread
That OS hasnt been supported for years and Valve doesn't owe you updates. Maybe you should make another worthless petition called StopKillingOperatingSystems too since forcing people to work for free for your own interests and being entitled is apparently all the rage these days.

>>715091572
Anon roblox takes the liability.

>>715094683
>They wouldn't hold up in EU courts
They have literally held up in EU courts hundreds of not thousands of times
Holy fuck you are ignorant

>>715094829
Windows 11 isn't a game

>>715094707
Every time anyone raises any questions about this the go to response is "that's for the lawmakers to figure out".
They can't even define what it is they are arguing for.

>>715085379
I just hate gamer faggots and brigaders in general and want them to suffer as much as possible.

>>715094662
I only care about what I want from games that I buy. Graphics are not the most important part. Just look up a list of 100 best video games and pretty evident that the last 10 years have been a dark age for games even though graphics have advanced by leaps and bounds.

>>715094879
You'll survive

>>715094992
OK, Mister Lawyer, give me an example. It held up "hundreds if not thousands of times," so you must know at least one.

>>715094948
Under SKG, should it go into law, would Microsoft be required to support older versions of Windows indefinitely?

>>715084643 (OP)
Kys

>>715094948
Look at this guy. Look at this guy everyone. This is it. This is your enemy. StopKillingOS's would be globally impactful actually. That's kinda brilliant really. Way bigger footprint than SKG. Damn. Why didn't I think of that.

>>715094516
I've sold my PC several times and my library is still working fine.

>>715094602
I'm on Windows 11 and it works fine.

>>715095040
Windows is bundled with games, therefore it must comply.

>>715094683
>You OWN the copy you purchase in perpetuity per our consumer laws,
Then why does Steam and GoG operate in the EU?

>>715095243
Same, but with my consoles. Guess you'll have to come up with a new argument.

>>715085379
is not about ownership, is about forcing developers and publishers to force online features that are meant to be online only to be available always in an offline mode, which is braindead as fuck

>>715095247
>Windows is bundled with games
Only Candy Crush

>>715095273
In GOG you own the copy you buy. As to Steam - because no one bothered challenging it in court. No government so far cared, and good look, as an individual, fighting against Valve's endless lawyer money in court.

if you unironically support this trash you deserve to die

>>715095379
Nope, can't play N64 games on a Switch 2.

>>715095040
Intentionally missing the point isn't help you. You know damn well what I'm talking about. It's literally the same thing. Polishing gabes cock with your double chin ain't a good look lad.

I guess its okay when some people end your service and lock you out of your games, but bad when others do it. Maybe we're just picking and choosing. I've no idea. I lost my script. Maybe only villians like Ubisoft or Nintendo need this kind of treatment. Gabe gets a free pass, because.. I don't know. He just does, okay.

>>715095232
That's right. Nothing should ever change. The same things should be supported forever. You shouldn't ever have to upgrade, things should just work indefinitely, and people should never grow old. But we have to live in reality here Mr autismo sperg and that will never happen.

>>715095106
No I don't know any because I'm not a fucking lawyer, you Google it if you're interested, IP licensing laws have existed before video games

>>715095595
I agree with you. Games as a service, micro transactions, and loot boxes should be illegal.

>>715095682
>That's right. Nothing should ever change. The same things should be supported forever. You shouldn't ever have to upgrade, things should just work indefinitely,
Yes.
The rest of that is just you being silly.
For isntance. Gabe locking you out of your account until upgrade to W10, or W11. An just watch its right around the corner. Gabe will make W10 obsolete the moment MS asks him to do it, and millions of gamers around the world will kneel and comply.

>>715095076
>the last 10 years have been a dark age for games even though graphics have advanced by leaps and bounds.
No they haven't, graphics have been pretty stagnant in the last 10 years
Graphics were rapidly improving in the 90s and 2000s

>>715095652
And I can't own my PC games.

>>715091207
Brits literally pay for a TV license lol.

>>715084643 (OP)
At least 500k of those are fake.

>>715096269
all me btw

>>715086476
private property is an anti-commie stance tho

>>715094948
Friendly reminder that US defense systems run on an updated, Microsoft-maintained version of Windows XP.

>>715088779
>>715090135
Who keeps fans projects off the maps?
Who holds server code under wraps?
We do, we do!

Nobody has won yet.
There has been one, very definitive loser though.

>>715095964
So you're just talking out of your ass, good to know.

>>715094715
>the people who make stuff you use are good and on your side
you're a fucking retard

>>715084643 (OP)
Oh schutruchter, those are mivasigch numbers, you need at least 6 million, I tells you this! Kacschturckt!

>>715096028
Best 2015 GPU was 8 TFLOPS while best 2025 GPU does 40 TFLOPS. All while the biggest failures since e.t. for Atari have been launched this year. You are being willfully misleading and dishonest.

>>715087253
>>715087543
>>715091589
>>715096498
Except the movement isn't based on the premise that games shouldn't be sold as a service. It's what people want it to be magically after watching ecelebs talk about it.
It was based on the premise that they shouldn't shut servers down for shitty games like ......................................................... The Crew

>>715096702
Kek
Entire ass

can someone name ONE (1) example of a real game that would benefit from this?

>>715096498
Then tell us what you actually are or forever be called a communist.

>>715088779
>>715090135
>>715096542

>>715087543
>>715091589
SKG has nothing to do with ownership.

>>715097205
better yet can anyone name ONE (1) game that was "killed" according to the retards behind this?

>>715097205
Concord
The Crew
Artifact

>>715096993
It's not about shutting down servers. It's about unnecessarily tying a game's ability to function to server subscriptions. Solely for greed. It was never like this before and it's completely scummy behavior. Imagine if the Mona Lisa was destroyed after it's 3 year lease was up and davinci just shit and cummed all over it and threw it into the sea so his patrons would buy his shitty new paintings. That's what AAA is doing.

>>715096213
Americans send hundred of billions of dollars to Israel and USAID lol.

>>715096806
No, IP law is the fundamental building block of the media industry, and you're suggesting it's just not legal and wouldn't hold up in court

>>715096993
>It was based on the premise that they shouldn't shut servers down for shitty games like ......................................................... The Crew
no
it was based on the premise that even a game as shitty as The Crew should remain playable in some capacity to people who paid for it
And I completely agree. Even if I think the game is trash, someone out there enjoys it, and more importantly, they paid for it.
Today is The Crew. Tomorrow, it could very well be a game that I enjoy. And even if that never happened, I shouldn't just ignore it because "it doesn't affect me personally"

>>715096867
Yes, the people who make the stuff you like are "on you side", otherwise they wouldn't make it you fucking psychopath

>>715097205
It benefits every game to preserve it for future generations. What it doesn't benefit are the scummy publishers of steal a car 28 or space marine 15.

>>715096542
Who thinks devs owe them a patch,
For games they bought in some old batch?

We dooo, we dooo!

>>715096925
What do TFLOPS have to do with graphical quality?

>>715097335
garbage
>>715097524
this is just speculation

>>715089256
>dogshit crypto currency shill games that are infesting Epic Store are banned from Steam
Is that a bad thing?

>>715097447

>>715095047
pretty much.

They need a limited and specific ask - I think if they kept scope super narrow ala
>if you buy a game from eg steam or other online digital stores, the storefront can't delete the executable automatically from your machine without a user initiated request

or went for something more ambitious but still MAYBE winnable
>1. We want a fair use exemption to allow reverse engineering and distribution of code patches (without other assets) for games,
>2. with the express and limited purpose of restoring replay-ability to games,
>3. that relied on online functionality for aspects to be playable,
>4. to connect to servers which are no longer being hosted by the copyright holder >50% of the year
which wouldn't obligate game developer to change shit and would basically say "if you're a gamer and have a dead game on your hands, not our problem, go make some replacement art assets and go fix it yourself", they could win.

They're gonna instead get told by the europeans "we don't know what the fuck you want and every developer says you're retarded" and get nothing.

>>715097563
Everything.

>>715097205
Unironically Valorant.
It's not a particularly good game, but the one thing stopping it from being on par with CSGO or any Valve game is the lack of private servers. Also it probably would have a knock-on effect on the licensing for Riot's anti-cheat spyware. If that game didn't require TPM and secure boot because no Vanguard because Riot couldn't license it after dropping support, it would still be shit, but not AS shit as it is.

Also Ghost Recon Phantoms. I played that game years ago with friends but now nobody remembers it except me when I look through my Steam profile "Games" (not library because it's not there).

>>715097563
The more flops you have the more polygons you can move. Anyone who says game graphics have stagnated just has deteriorating eyesight due to old age and needs to go to an optometrist.

>>715097447
And communist states like the EU

>>715084643 (OP)
>Your video game has online features? Too bad, the socialist nanny state forces you to keep it alive forever or they'll sperg out and fine you a bazillion euro
Why are gamers such bootlickers for big government?

>>715086476
>everything that helps people is communism
Why do Americans hate it? The 2 red scares really fucked you up.

>>715097687
>or went for something more ambitious but still MAYBE winnable
>>1. We want a fair use exemption to allow reverse engineering and distribution of code patches (without other assets) for games,
>>2. with the express and limited purpose of restoring replay-ability to games,
>>3. that relied on online functionality for aspects to be playable,
>>4. to connect to servers which are no longer being hosted by the copyright holder >50% of the year
See, this is something I can get behind. If the request were to simply stop suing people for reverse engineering dead games to be playable, I would sign.

Last time video game publisher were this afraid?

>>715088942
>b-but you're merely l-licensing it!
good luck getting that to slide in the EU

>>715097649
AAA industry is dead. They have more bots playing their slop than actual people and as many bots defending their predatory and abusive attitudes towards the people that paid for their lunch. How's that for speculation?

>>715097897
When ET hit the shelves.

>>715097837
this doesn't help people, it forces others for the sake of your idea of "help"

>>715097949
Nice, can't wait for a new video games market crash

>>715087069
>Just don’t buy the product, idiot
you realize everything bad with the world right now is because of idiots buying bad things right? the point of these laws is to regulate companies from taking advantage of idiots.

>>715097897
Feels good man

>>715097421
The petition doesn't say that

>>715096925
Now scale it to TDP (^:
That first figure is 165W. Go on. Let's see how radical it's been.

>>715097924
literally no one is forcing you to play those games, you however want to force others to make games in a certain way however

>>715097837
I'll bite. Dayz official servers get canned. It is now brought back as just a private offline server. How does this help me?

>>715097760
list the wattage, you filthy heeb

>>715097949
I'll never forget how stoked I was to play e.t. on the Atari. Then I was stuck in a pit lol

>>715098063
Play my game or else

>>715097897
Around 1945. Perhaps 2007-2008 a bit.

fuck americans and fuck jews

>>715098119
You can nostalgia wank, or make youtube videos about creepy empty spaces in dead games, or something. idk get creative. It helps you alright. It just does.

WHy would you even question this? Are you stupid? No corporation should hold more power than the government. It's that simple.

>>715097760
What does the amount of polygons you can move have to do with graphical quality? It has diminishing returns
Compare game graphics from 2000 to 2010
Then 2010 and 2020
The difference is huge

>>715098040
By demanding that games a preserved in a reasonably playable state it most certainly does say that.

>>715098218
This but fuck SKG and the EU

>>715098145
It is past your bedtime grandpa.

>>715093469
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>>715098276
I said it first tho

>>715098238
So it doesn't help me. Got it. Can you now see why I don't give a fuck about your LARP inatead of pretending to be confused?

I think timing was the most important part of this finally succeeding. The socio-political landscape was much different a year ago when this initiative launched.
Before many would have seen begging for signatures for some initiative as liberal nonsense that needs to fuck off.
Then Trump got re-elected and started flailing about on everyone's newsfeeds. There were countries all set for conservative victories that got completely reversed at the last second to veer as far from anyone Trump-like as possible.
Now people see this initiative making the rounds in the news and think
>maybe laws that actually help the average person might be a good thing actually.

>>715098165
I don't even know who you are anime-gun.gif
You're in widescreen, so probably after anime went to shit around 2002. You are but an infant. A fetus.

>>715098328
>shill frog
You'll never be an oldfag

>>715098437
Why are you saying it succeeded
All that's happened is it's going to a comission

So these are EU petitions but anyone can sign onto it? I'm not sure I understand how this works. Can someone explain it to me? Like what prevents any country on earth from just doing this to the EU for whatever they want? I'm not against it. I just don't see how the system protects itself from bad actors or even other governments from abusing it. I find it really odd that someone from the U.S could sign this? Is that possible? I've no idea.

>>715098238
>No corporation should hold more power than the government.
this guy literally believes forcing people to make videogames in a certain fashion ties into corporations potentially having more power than the government

>>715098437
That's not what happened. It just got shilled by pewdiepie and other youtubers after e-drama about a WoW raiding guild set us down a dark path of retards signing petitions against their own best interest because penguinz0 told them to.

>>715098474
It's not up to you to figure out what my game is. That's up for EU lawmakers to decide.

>>715098437
When you think about Donald is just a plus sized version of Jason

>>715084643 (OP)
Wait for it.
The required amount has been exceeded, yes.
The EU will have to look into all of this, yes.
The question is however...will the EU actually side with gamers or not?

>>715098616
Well yeah. The both hold all the power. Isn't this whats about it. Who is going to police who in this situation? They both can say yes or no and it means something. You say no or yes and nothing changes 99% of the time. What are trying to get at here?

>>715098649
>signing petitions against their own best interest
Yeah everyone loves to get fucked in the ass by corporations

>>715098506
>pepe
>oldfag
holy yikes

>>715098568
Nothing prevents people from anywhere signing it. After the signatures are collected it goes to an intermediary who will validate the signatures, then it will be proposed to EU lawmakers if the valid signatures met the goal.

>>715098437
>I think timing was the most important part of this finally succeeding. The socio-political landscape was much different a year ago when this initiative launched.
The funny thing is, had it passed the signatures required in the UK for that petition, it would have fared better 2 years ago. A year ago it was up against a government that was disintegrating.
Now it's up against a government that praises Israel eternally, cannot criticise them under threat of their secrets being exposed and has been lobbied to no end. Even if the government was welcoming to consumers, they're addicted to shooting themselves in the foot so they'd rather have zero tax revenue than upsetting someone who can give them a job in 2029.

>>715097949
>E.T. 2.0
Imagine the sheer psychic backlash a crash of this magnitude would cause today.

>>715098708
im saying i can choose to support the "corporations" or not but i cannot choose what laws the government puts in place

>>715098050
PS4 1.83 TFLOPS at 150 watts
Ps5 10 TFLOPS at 220 watts
So about 4x graphics advancements in 10 years give or take.

>>715098779
So wait let me get this straight. Can I, as an American. Open a petition for changes at the EU. Then get like say, a billion pajeets to sign it. An then they look at it go well that looks legit. Then presto. cars are banned, or something?

Does the petition potentially exist in a dubious state where most signatures are from foreigners? What happens then? Do they ignore?? I'm being serious.

>>715098921
You don't measure graphic fidelity in TFLOPS

>>715098063
Not make them in a certain way. Sell them in a certain way. Very important distinction. One lost on corporations that are now in freefall.

>>715098921
Why the fuck would you use a console that's on an old node?
Try again, with actual nodes that were bleeding edge in 2015 & 2024/2025.
You can literally just do a maxwell/pascal > blackwell.

>>715097897
I made that image.

>>715098998
>>715098779
The petition does not go to lawmakers
The petition goes to a committee who will look at it and decide to go to lawmakers with something, if they feel like it

>>715098293
Kek. It helps because I have a solid reference for how good things have been and can be again.

>>715097653
>strawman
Are you really going to pretend Steam didn't make a statement saying they wouldn't censor anything unless it was literally illegal and then turned around has been censoring tons of anime games?
>hur-dur I don't care about anime
cool, Valve is still a shitty company

>>715099068
? if you want the game to keep function that means you want to force them to make them in a certain way, selling included, no need for any distinction

>>715098998
I'm only asking this cause I worry about SKG's future in a world where this has been going on since 2020 in a borderline stagnant state until it got "global"(let's be generous) attention. I mean. Come on. There's just no way this crossed the line with EU signers alone. How will this impact it going forward when 500k of these signers were from the U.S or China, India, etc. Or even day I say... The british.

>>715099145
they can't just dismiss it prima facie if they don't like it. they have to review it carefully and present it unless there are serious issues with it

>>715098828
Concord was very close. I imagine as things worse we can measure video game failures in units of e.t.. I'm looking at you GTA 6.

>>715099083

>>715099345
No, they have no obligation to present it to lawmakers or do anything with it at all
They have an obligation to look at it, that's all

>>715098998
You, as an american, can start a petition for anything in the EU. As long as you get at least 1 million signatures from the EU, then it has to be looked at by the EU. There's 0 guarantee that what you're asking for will become law, only that they will look at it.

>>715099373
yeah

Maybe someone else can answer me since the other SKigger shill couldn't:

Fallguys/Rocket League/Conan/DayZ etc etc etc official servers eventually get canned. I am offered offline private servers per the terms of SKG. How does this benefit me? This was never how played this game. This will never be how I enjoy this game. This was never what this game was to begin with. How does this help me?

>>715098828
Well xbox imploding my be the start of the avalanche.

>>715084643 (OP)
I wonder what the shills' cope will be once it hits 1.4 milly

>>715097949
I haven't played E.T nor am aware of how it killed the industry, although I have heard that to be the case. Why did E.T. kill the industry because it was so bad but Concord didn't? Surely Concord's budget is larger than E.T.'s?

>>715093965
Because the few games they actually own are already given to the community thats why theres so many community servers.
Also because steam is only a platform.
Also because despite controversies it seems gaben is still a fat gamer at heart and MAYBE hasnt fully sold out his soul yet. Also because he gets nothing from joining that, other than hate from the vast majority of his customers.

>>715099582
>Why did E.T. kill the industry
Because there was only one video game company - Atari
So when Atari died the video game industry died
Obviously now that can never happen

>>715099530
SKG are not asking for this to be retroactive so any existing games would just become unplayable and you'll have to go fuck yourself, as is intended.

>>715099409
If your European Citizens' Initiative (ECI) gathers 1 million valid signatures from at least seven EU countries (meeting minimum thresholds in each), the European Commission HAS to look at it.

>>715099079
I'm trying to make a general comparison. I'm not trying to sell anything other than that video game graphics improved more than the games themselves in the last decade. It's fairly obvious to any gamer that is over 18. But for some reason I have defend such an obvious observation.

>>715099530
As a conan player, you should already know there's an offline mode. lol

>>715089401
They live in fear of me because they know I'm a danger to them

>>715084643 (OP)

>>715099530
What are you on about you nonce. You listed a 6v6 game, literally just host the server and play with some people.
If you want something as nebeulous as
>This will never be how I enjoy this game
then we're very much going to go to semantic town and ask how one defines enjoyment and if we can judge your enjoyment on release day vs today vs when you're 74 and you've got bone cancer.

>>715092778
Wow, instead of 4 buyers you're only going to get one if you do that.

>>715099706
Yes, that's what I said, they have to look at it
They don't have to do anything about it lol

>>715099654
Holy shit so they are speculating about imaginary future games not even the ones that exist, what a bunch of dogshit

>>715084643 (OP)
>EU reviews the petition
>approves new regulations
>game devs have to spend resource implementing new regulations
>games budgets get even more bloated
>prices increase
>game diversity decreases
Gaymers won, I guess.

>>715099639
That's not what happened. ET was just the cherry on the cupcake.
The video game industry in the late 70s and early 80s was loaded with garbage shovelware. Anyone could make a game in 3 days and sell it, and they did. There was an oversaturation of garbage and people stopped buying it. ET overmanufactured cartridges right at the end of this, and lost bucket loads of money.
The only reason video games didn't fade into obscurity as a fad is because of Nintendo.

>>715099530
can you answer how being able to play the game at all is a worse outcome than it just being rendered totally unplayable

>>715099278
Why can I play my launch day copy of unreal 1998 online today but not the crew. Hint: it's not because technology has become harder to use the last 25 years. Asking for publishers to not put kill switches in video games is a far cry from dictating how games should be made.

>>715099530
DayZ already has private servers.

>>715099839
If it's not dedicated it will run like trash thus nullifying this fantasy scenario

>>715099975
>Anyone could make a game in 3 days and sell it, and they did
Yeah through Atari

>>715099839
So it doesn't benefit me. Got it. Just stop saying it benefits me.

>>715100129
It doesn't benefit anyone, their example case is some terrible racing game that got shut down because nobody played it

>>715099952
>same argument retards make against liveable wages in ameriLARDistan

>>715100043
So it doesn't benefit me. Got it.

>>715100070
>Atari, Coleco, Intellivision, magnevox, vecrex and so on. Atari wasn't the only game in town.

>>715099530
Realize that you are comparing your hypothetical to the other option that publishers prefer which is completely destroying the game so nobody can play it. So let's say you have a favorite basketball court but the original ball is gone and instead of replacing the ball as best you can, you tear up the court and tell everyone to get fucked. It's a no brainer to me which choice I would want to be made.

>>715099952
all they have to do is let people play the games without relying on centralized servers. that's all
>like diablo 2 lod
>like half-life and CS 1.6
>like age of empires 2
>like warcraft 3 (which even had battle.net alternatives)
>like terraria
it's that easy

>>715095981
this unironically

>>715099952
>game diversity decreases
Literal nothingburger. No new law's stopping you from making any sort of game, now you can't be shit about it without consequence.

why do you need the government to make things illegal? why can't you just stop giving companies money when they do things you don't like? in the end isn't this not about stopping companies from "killing games" but banning gaymers from supporting shitty games that kill themselves?

>>715099714
The issue here is that your general comparison kinda falls flat. The original poster (not me) had compared graphics in 2015 to today.
2015 was Nvidia's maxwell, pascal was 2016 and GPU wattages were pretty stable, AMD were slapping two of them on a card and still calling them the X2.
150-175W was about where we were.

Nowadays, that tier is now in the 450 > 575W zone. The x90 class and also separated out between hardware specifically used for tasks like raytracing.
When you want to invoke flops and performance as a metric, you've also got to be aware that for the last decade both GPU vendors went balls to the wall increasing limits because, yeah, technology stagnated and gains come through either node shrinks, pumping it with power or both. We've been trapped in that cycle since 2019. This is why even using the PS5 as a general metric fails, because it's 2019 technology or there abouts. In the comparison, it's closer to the date anon was claiming.

You judge graphics performance by raster, assign it a value then divide it by power consumption.
Things have improved, comparatively they've not improved that much however because we're hitting the limits for silicon.
Note that Blackwell isn't even on 2nm, it COULD be if the capacity were there.

>>715100273
Atari was the big boi that pulled everyone down with it.

>>715099952
>>diversity decreases
based, I don't want dangerhaired women, nogs, lgbtranny snowflakes, groomers, etc. ruining my games

>>715100282
This nigga really thinks videogames are some communal shit neighborhood or something just hear yourself for a minute

>>715100384
This is about class warfare, it's about bullshit laws that just exist to punish the other side

>>715100198
Correct answer. It doesn't benefit anyone and just opens the door for the government to regulate development. WE DID IT REDDIT :DDDDDDD

>>715100384
The peasants are getting uppity again.

>>715100246
>unknowingly cherrypicks games that already have offline modes and private servers like a retard thinking he's making some epin gotcha
>anons rightfully call out how shit his examples are
>I WAS PRETENDING TO BE RETARDED ALL ALONG THATS WHAT I MEANT HAHA
Retard.

>>715100384
Because this is actually about government control instead of people being free to make decisions

>>715100048
It can be dedicated if you want it to be.
Nothing is stopping you from bending over and taking bezos' benis in your bummy bum. If you can rent their servers to generate a JPG of an underaged vidya girl named judith, you can sure as shit host the server.

>>715100282
>completely destroying the game so nobody can play it.
That's just another hypothetical that never happened.

>>715100384
The invisible hand of the market is a myth.

>>715100291
>that's all
OK let's take a very basic example of a modern MMO. Making a server client available for self hosting means uncoupling this server from any online integrations such as Azure or AWS, and developing alternatives to replace the services used. This is several months of work for a game you are no longer profiting on.

>>715100602
So it doesn't benefit me. Got it.

>>715100724
Is not a myth, humans have subjective preferences therefore there's an invisible hand

>>715100246
>DayZ
>I am offered offline private servers per the terms of SKG
>game that already has private servers
You have no idea what you are talking about, why would SKG's terms matter for a game that is a) retroactive and b) already has an offline mode? Surely you know that SKG is only meant for games which don't have an EOL plan, right? That's the whole point.

>>715100724
what a profoundly stupid thing to say

>>715100454
It was a very simple metaphor. If you refuse to understand it and try to bring up communism I'm not the smoothest brain in this conversation.

>buy a car
>car stops working
>you are not allowed to sell this car until you make it driveable again

>>715100838
So it doesn't benefit me. Got it.

>>715100783
>game that already has an EOL plan
>initiative to protect consumer rights for games which don't feature an EOL plan doesn't benefit me
Yeah obviously? Retard.

Out of curiosity I went to research the legal status of reselling games in the EU, this was one of the first results. This is what evil looks like.
https://www.videogameseurope.eu/news/video-games-europe-welcomes-french-supreme-court-decision-on-the-resale-of-digital-video-games/

>>715085675
Didn't read allat, Maldavius.

>>715100976
>car stops working
>call a non working car a "private server"
>car is now working as intended
Bravo SKG

>>715101074
Evil looks like murder, torture, rape, genocide, it doesn't look like some law to stop you reselling your digital trinkets

>>715100674
Why can't I play my $500 worth of 360 arcade games that I bought if it never happened? These greedy choices are killing the industry. It's all around if you care to notice it. And those that do notice don't forget.

>>715100976
>buy a motor vehicle
>drive it for a few months
>not enough people drive your motor vehicle, it's a flop! a megalop!
>sorry anon, it would cost too much to keep the servers open to check the DRM, your car will refuse to start in 4 weeks time as we require all car parts to be verified remotely
>4 weeks pass
>you can't even drive it to get scrapped and must get your car towed out of your drive way
A kind of shit analogy you made, but you did push it into the realm of DRM on vehicles, which is where they're at for john deer and agriculture, some general consumer vehicles and iPhones too.
The difference remote disablement is closest to the vehicle angle, so that's where your analogy was the strongest but sorry friend, you didn't convince me to go out and buy a small hat.

>>715101014
At this point, I'm not sure what would benefit you more than a kick in the fucking jaw, Rajesh.

>you can't just own your games, you have to think of the poor corporation

>>715101278
Calm down.

>>715101162
cool it with the antisemitism!

>>715084643 (OP)
all bots

>>715101162
Try not to set the bar too high there ya fucking shill.
>>At least they aren't raping us

>>715101329
SKG has nothing to do with game ownership. You can't own a service lil skigger bro.

>>715101329
I don't give a fuck about corporations. I haven't bought an "AAA" game in a decade. I am worried about indie devs who have genuinely good ideas, and make good games, getting fucked by this.

>>715096213
You are legally required to buy a license (annual fee) if you watch the BBC. In reality only people over 60 and retards pay for one

>>715101425
Calling shit like this evil just makes you look like a spoilt fucking retard
They're video games

>>715101432
how will indie devs get fucked by not incorporating a kill switch into their games

>>715101512
Lying is a sin and these evil corporations lie more than they tell the truth.

>>715101540
>indie dev wants to make a game that had deep online integrations
>sorry, we can't make this project because if it doesn't succeed it will be too expensive to comply with the EU
>design document goes in the bin

>>715101587
Oh it's a Christcuck

>>715084643 (OP)
>lawmakers are gonna reject the project because of the game corporation lobby
You are not going to like this.

>>715086476
>Don't let the governments controll you!
>Sell your rights to corporations instead!
Pathetic nigger-tier behavior

>>715084689
Valve's too busy running their virtual casinos

>>715100976
imagine ford made a car with an engine that's designed to stop working after 5 years. this isn't a secret. all of the car reviews mention it and you are forced to sign an agreement that says you understand the car will be undrivable after 5 years before you can take it on the road. now imagine that instead of being laughed at for buying a terrible car, all of the suckers who bought it cried to the government to force ford to give them a new engine.

>>715100759
>account database
>character database
>logs
>game world instance
>chat
that's all you need. no gay cash shops, no social media integration, no twatch or twatter integration, no credit card or banking bullshit, etc.

>>715097447
>>715096213
lmao

If a corpo boot exists a /v/aggot who licks it must also exist

>>715101683
Don't leave dead games in a reasonably playable state. That 1 indie dev in 1000000 won't stand a chance. Better just keep things the way that they are and hand over my money to Microsoft for a game I can't be able to play in 5 years.

>>715101432
Indie devs wouldn't have to worry about getting fucked by this 20 years ago. Crazy, isn't it?

>>715101683
>indie dev wants to make a game that had deep online integrations
>figured out the web server part
>figured out the trigger part
>can't figure out how to get it running alongside the game in a container
when docker is too hard for you, you're not an ideas man, you're not even man.

>>715101540
>HAHAHAH FUCK PUBLISHERS
>"won't this kill live service games?"
>HAHAHAHA YES THAT'S AWESOME
>uwu but you'll be fine non publisher backed indied devs uwu
I believe you have the best intentions!

>>715097447
>>715096213
what's the difference
for the esls and retards the joke is jews run all media haha that's the joke

>>715101931
>I have never developed a game in my life
I know, Anon.

>>715084689
Sure but stop treating Valve like they're saints. People used to do that with Google back in the 00s and look what happened.

>>715102080
>not my problem
Ok I'll stand up for the little guy if you won't

>>715101732
Jesus saves

>>715099952
>game diversity decreases
Here is where you're wrong. Game diversity will increase. We will once more have LAN games, P2P, hotseat etc. Always online has led us to less videogame diversity.

>>715101683
Releasing a patch at the end of service so he game works without the online component is not particularly expensive

>>715084643 (OP)
If we reach at least 134%, we won.

>>715089432
this

>>715101732
Sin isn't restricted to christdom, retard-kun

>>715102540
yes it is

>>715084643 (OP)
this will cause some region-exclusivity bullshit if governments pay attention to the protests.

>>715102276
The needs of the many will always outweigh the needs of the few. Don't hate me I don't make the rules. But right now the few are corporations that are destroying themselves by their own greed and hubris. The many are us paying customers. The ones with cash and the final say on this matter. It is what is.

>>715089002
Its usually them.

>>715102571
You should try living in Canada. Everything has two languages on it. It's very regressive.

>>715102576
ok skigger

>>715101683
are offline games really that boring?

>>715102818
French and Hindi?

>>715102818
Soon they will add hindi as 3rd language

>>715091272
>The only reason they say this is because California made them.
yet you presumably support skg how ironic and you probably don't even realize it

>>715102886
The thing is that most online games can be run independently of the publishers. The only reason anyone makes a game incapable of running its own server is to kill the game and sell a sequel that is essentially a reskin of the same game.

>>715095161
Why would it? SKG is about preventing companies from bricking their software as they turn the lights off on the way out the door. Nothing is stopping you running XP or W95 or whatever, Microsoft just don't provide security updates any more.

>>715102906
>>715102919
Kek
Collective consciousness at work here

>>715103131
>connect to internet
>pc instantly infected with ransomware

>>715103225
Should have used a VM instead, you only have yourself to blame.

>>715103225
Not true in the slightest. There might be msblast or lovesan still out in the wild but win95 certainly isn't targeted. Malware is a business.

>>715103225
That's your problem for being a retard, not Microsoft's. Either use a VM or use a current OS.

>>715103225
And? Why should a piece of software stop working as soon as support stops?

>>715100384
Fun fact, that requires actual diversification in products instead of near universal adoption, which is currently the case

>>715101331
no fuck off and die.

>>715103505
>And? Why should a piece of software stop working as soon as support stops?
The irony

>>715103472
What is the go to VM these days? I used to use vmware, but apparently they have gone to shit.

>>715103672
Does your car stop working when a new model comes out?

>>715103769
The opposite. My 96 civic hatchback has outlasted most of the 2007 civics.

>>715103894
It's funny because it's safety regulations that ruined car design. Now the corporations are ruining game design and trying to say that it's for our own protection.

>>715104001
Sure buddy sure

>>715103536
if it has universal adoption that means that everyone has chosen to go along with it. why should a minority of people who don't like a thing be allowed to overrule the majority who has decided to support it?

>>715102212
The existence of private servers demonstrate you are stupid.

>>715099582
The video game market was flooded with competing consoles, clueless MBAs and low effort shovelware games, ET was merely the straw that broke the camel's back.

Short story: some greedy fuck had acquired the rights for the video game adaptation of the ET movie and tasked a single dude to make a game with only some weeks left before the announced release, expecting the ET name would be enough to guarantee a success. The man did his best in the short time he had but the result was predictable, look at a video of a playthrough on Youtube and you'll get it. At first; millions of units were sold at full price -so ET was much more successful than Concord ever was lmao- but word of mouth rapidly spread, sales dropped, consumers were furious, masses of unsold cartridges were buried in landfills, turns out the sales expectations had no hope to be met once people realized how shit the game was.

This marked the start of the video game industry crash, ET became known as the harbinger of it all but the whole thing was already rotten and ready to fall long before the game was made.

Literally don't make games online-only. That's it.

>>715104158
That's called democracy anon. It's a really old and very simple concept.

>>715104001
>safety regulations ruined car design
What the fuck am I reading?

Seatbelts ruined cars?
No, wait, you're way too young to say that. It's gotta be something more recent. Airbags? What? Fucking idiot.

>>715087205
Literally what did he mean by this?

>>715104380
Crumple zones, automatic breaks, automatic transmission, power steering. All they do is enable people who shouldn't be on the roads.

>>715099083
you did good

>>715104483
His upcoming only ferrets leaks

>>715104483
He said "You don't really know what you're asking for", but with the passive-aggressive pettiness of a cat mom.

>>715104552
>automatic transmission
>power steering
These are safety features now are they? Please use an ai or something. The nonsense it will invent will still make more sense than you.

I am making a videogame and I want people to own it. But I can only distribute it digitally as physical media is impossibly costly for a poor fag like me.
What do

>>715104778
I just like 96 civic. I think it was peak user friendly design.

>>715104784
Have you considering not using DRM like a normal person.

>>715104861
Unlike power steering. Famously hated for being anti driver design.

>>715092405
Please someone keep unmasking so we can have an infinite loop.

>>715104873
Of course, I even considered selling the game on my own website like the good old days, but how does that give someone "ownership" of it?

>>715096542
>Who keeps fans projects off the maps?
This one will always hit too close to home man...

>>715104971
It's definitely a less reliable system. On an infinite timeline rack and pinion wins.

>>715097957
Nigger this shit gets devs paid more money while jew sheckelstein now has to go home with 1.2m dollars a day instead of 1.25m. I don't give a fuck.

>>715105170
It's a concept known as a transaction.

>>715105170
ok retard
you're going to take payment of a fiat currency
how about, you believe in fiat ownership

holy shit, heebs need to start hanging
you're not the chosen people if you can't understand your own rules

>>715098876
Your choice on whether or not to support a corporation does fuck all in creating any positive change. They have infinite amounts of cash due to them emotionally manipulating the public into worshipping their products like idols. They have so much fucking money that many corporations can actively choose to ignore laws entirely and pay related fines because fucking people over illegally makes them more money. Your personal choice means jack shit, we don't live in that magical fantasy land you think exists.

>>715104158
Just work 20 hours at the factory as soon as you are 8 yrs old.

>>715105663
Nigger all I did was ask a question.

>>715085675
cool except I debunk you by simply saying that I've cared since Ross's first "games as a service is fraud" video released and made me aware of this issue broadly but having had issues with this myself in the past with games I enjoyed playing being taken away from me

you want and care about nothing, which is why you will never do anything
shut the fuck up and sit around and keep doing nothing while the people who care effect the world around them, worm

>>715098876
>but i cannot choose what laws the government puts in place
But I can vote for a government which will put laws in place that I want, it's called DEMOCRACY.

>>715086476
>Keeping things you buy is communism
>Literal fucking you will own nothing and be happy type shit
brother, you're so concerned about muh gooberment that you've completely ignored the corporations stabbing you in the back

Remember the only way to play a whole bunch of GFWL games is either cracking them or using hacky 3rd party emulators to spoof the game.

>>715099943
Yes anon, games will cease to exist after 2025, nobody will make games anymore, /v/ will be free.

>>715100384
Because without the government (right now) games are getting shut down anyway, we literally have nothing to lose, only gain.
This initiative actually affect a very small number of games, but will make sure that every customer will be able to play their copy after official developer support ends.

>>715089347
Yes and no. They absolutely have 0 problems with H games as long as you download the uncensor patch from a third party so the blame is on you not them. Custom maid 3d and Koikatsu party are featured AND recommended.
There's also the team that curates H games for steam one guy (or several) for some reason prohibits a lot of H games just because and its arbitrary. Some games have a lot of " 1000 years old Loli" and there's 0 problems while others get banned for having shortstacks that are clearly not smol girls. It's weird