Thread 715094381

Remakes/Remasters why do they always look worse than the original?

They don't.
The CnC Red Alert remake looked great

>>715094381 (OP)
Top looks better. You literally can't see shit in the PS2 version.

Raise thy sword by the brown shit filter was clearly the original intent anon. Simply limited by the technology at the time. Thank god for blueballs studio

>>715094678
>t.

>>715094578
remake is a true master piece. Elevated, enhanced.

>>715094578
Top is cropped, you literally see less. BEND OVER!

>>715094892
they made him look like a retard in the remake.

A tale as old as time

>>715095178
why does this sort of thing happen? Do the devs actually think it looks better or is it just a lack of quality control?

>>715095386
New "artists" thinking they can do better.
Like the constipated moon,

This is why video game preservation is important, so publishers don't enshittify our memories.

>>715094958
I can see what's past the pillar, boomer.

>>715094381 (OP)
people don't actually believe games are art. People SAY they do, but they really just believe they're products, both the people making them and the consuming them.

Try rereleasing a novel after changing a bunch of stuff in it, and people would throw a fit. Tell GRRM to censor the next ASoIAF book or add a heckin wholesome black female hero in it, and people would flip out. People still cringe at the Star Wars alters. But when it comes to games the majority literally believes its OK to take a Japanese game and hand it over to a soulless Western chopshop to hack up and change all of its art. To them that's acceptable and an improvement.

Did you like the old expressive sprite art? too bad now everything is gay and lame instead

>>715095178
I can excuse this one because it was intended for the OG 3ds with a tiny ass screen. would've looked like shit otherwise

>>715096063
Films, television shows, and books have already been censored, and nothing happened. Many celebrated, even. Even worse, you ignore the examples of gamers complaining about shit remasters because they go against your niggerfaggot narrative.

>>715096140
> BRAAP!

>>715094381 (OP)
Remasters are inherently low-effort garbage made to take advantage of a lack of backwards compatibility.

>>715094381 (OP)
it's almost always a cashgrab, not a passion project. To stay true to the original you'd have to put in as much effort as making a new game which usually happens for remakes.

That's why fan remakes are often really good
AoE2, C&C generals evolution, AM2R, LifeBottle, OpenRCT, Rayman Redemption, Super Mario Plus

>>715096552
the ones complaining about remasters are like a quarter of the number who are bouncing up and down eager to buy the turds, dumbass

and people aren't changing books. WB isn't revising LotR and publishing changes to the writing. They're just making netflix slop which, again, people view TV as a lesser medium than books/film, and games rank even lower than that to them

>>715096861
>and people aren't changing books.
Mongoloid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roald_Dahl_revision_controversy
>In the following month it was announced that the works of Enid Blyton (author of The Famous Five) and Ian Fleming (author of James Bond) would be expurgated as well, and it was revealed that R. L. Stine's Goosebumps had already been expurgated, without the author's knowledge or consent.

>>715097060
you found one example and guess what, it was a controversy. With games it hardly is anywhere except here

>>715094578
>You literally can't see shit in the PS2 version.
that's what makes it good

>>715097224
>you found one example
>Roald Dahl (which itself includes many, many examples)
>Enid Blyon
>Ian Fleming (same as Dahl works)
>Goosebumps
>you found one example
You're a niggerfaggot, and nothing more than that.

>>715096861
they have started revising the LotR movies tho

>>715096861
the problem is double edged. When the Remaster/make doesn't sell the publisher claims people weren't interested

Fuck toys for bob and their furry faggot developers with no soul

>>715097394
If you think that is bad, look at the different versions of Matrix. What a clusterfuck.

>>715097394
Crocodile Dundee has been censored to remove tranny jokes, but the niggerfaggot needs to pretend this only affects video games and TV shows to push his retarded "games are not art" argument.

>>715097752
>>715097658
>Have access to the original concept art in full detail
>Ignore it and copy/paste a bunch of dogshit Blizzard aesthetics

>>715097726
>>715097356
are all of these examples related to "racism"?

>>715097819
well they are named activision blizzard for a reason

>>715097876
But I thought that books were high art, and thus protected from censorship, or gay retarded shit like that?

>>715095386
incompetence, outsourced to studios who have a workforce incapable of understanding the thing they are working on

>>715095386
Remake games are always handed off to lesser studios with no accomplishments because they're cheaper than using the original veteran devs.
The only remaster I know of that actually had many of the same people working on it is REmake.
Remasters and ports are almost always seen as and treated as low cost endeavors.

>>715097986
reminds me of this.

>>715097986
Funny, the piss filter was so reviled back then that one of the very first mods that came out was its removal.

>>715098138
>Remasters and ports are almost always seen as and treated as low cost endeavors.
The Xbox 360 port of Titanfall was a feat of software engineering, tho.

Dark Souls.....REMASTERED

>>715098138
Siren PS3 was an "americanized" remake of the ps2 original made by the exact same people

>>715097394
Who looks at that beautiful sunset and thinks it needs fixing?
Like seriously, what kind of demented freak does this?

>>715097986
original filter was maybe not the most flattering but god damn are modern devs allergic to contrast these days.

idk why but rts games have a really good record of remasters like

>starcraft
>age of empires 1-2
>age of mythology, but the first 2 remasters were dogshit, third time is the charm i guess

>>715097951
They are. Even during times where everyone is hyper sensitive and self-censoring, even the fact of taking something racist out of a book is a controversy.

Even look at the way books are translated. Do you think books are translated the same way games are?

>>715098175
thank god her hair is perfect in all situations

>>715098414
might be because RTS as genre has stayed relatively niche so if they get a remaster it's more likely to attract somewhat passionate devs to work on it and not end up in some hellhole remastering studio.

Here's your next-gen upgrade bro

>>715098432
>even the fact of taking something racist out of a book is a controversy
No one noticed Goosebumps was censored until Dahl's works were, you disingenuous motherfucker. Not even the author noticed.
The edited versions of Dahl works continue to be sold, despite the backlash.
If they keep doing that, is because there is people who buy them.

>>715098393
why does he look like a slow person on the right? Isn't he supposed to be a hardened soldier who just got out of prison?

the recent oblivion remake that people with no taste or shabbos goys zoomers really liked

>>715098804
so you have 4 examples of books being changed, all of them dealing with alleged racism except the children's books, and somehow that puts it on equal footing with how games get and adapted as pisstakes that have nothing in common with their source material in aesthetics

OK keep believing that the general public and publishers view games as high works

>>715099221
In the case of Dahl's works, it covered way more than just racism. You know that, but once again, you're a disingenous motherfucker.

>>715094381 (OP)
>Raise thy sword by the light
>There's barely any light
What did Bluepoint mean by this?

>>715098842
It is the Ultimate Edition which mean ultimate skin care routine

>>715094578
I think the blinding light might be the point, anon

>>715098414
The right adds pixels but it doesn't add any value, they are meaningless and empty pixels

>>715099403
shit even comics get to be released uncensored usually. I was reading the reprints of The Spirit, with Ebony White included. Meanwhile Tomb Raider needs a disclaimer and the DQ3 remake needs to change the ogre's lips, lol

But naw, your one example carries as much weight as the hundreds across gaming

>>715098393
>are modern devs allergic to contrast these days.

nostalgia-fags be like
>yep left looks better

>>715099668
>boomers really think left looks better

>>715097658
Autistic expectations
>IT HAS TO LOOK LITERALLY THE SAME OR ILL CRY

>>715099629
>Meanwhile Tomb Raider needs a disclaimer
Good thing this doesn't happen in movies, let alone R-rated ones.
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/goodfellas-streaming-cultural-stereotypes-warning-amc-b2548305.html

>>715099635
>>715099534

>>715099073
the oblivion remaster was a travesty

>>715099908
the expectation design is literally easier to design and rig into the game though. they deliberately designed something completely different.

cave story just looks worse with the remastered sprites

>>715094578
why assume that you are supposed to be able to see shit?
why does it need to look as photorealistic as possible?

>>715097986
bottom just needs darker shadows

>>715099534
what a great distance blur. Of course your eyes can't do that for you in a game so we have to force your eyes on the scene at the front

>>715099668
>>715099885
S O V L vs soull*ss

>>715094381 (OP)
>old good
>new bad
stop jerking off to your memories, boomer
>>715094578
this

>>715095178
>>715095386
>>715096271
This one is misleading. The right image was taken during a lightning strike.

BEHOLD A DEV TEAM THAT GIVES A SHIT

>>715099668
>yep left looks better

>>715100323
Ruined the proportions

>>715095386
zarok got hit the hardest
he's looks like a fucking clown now

>>715100059
People dont want a remake that looks almost like the original with flat generic designs, remakes are supposed to expand the design to something that wasn't possible before

No one wants exact same model but now more polygons

>>715100337
>left
>unrealistic amount of sand flying from a slow moving creature

>right
>how it would actually look like

>>715100337
the whole reason of him moving like that was to impair your vision to make it harder to get on his wings.
it's crazy how this shit was toned down like that.

>>715100607
>both
>video game, not real

>>715098414
I might be wrong, but it looks like they had the original 3D assets. So they just touched up the existing models, and re-rendered them at a higher resolution.

>>715098796
I detest that remake with every fiber of my being

>>715094381 (OP)
At least they kept the font

>>715100467
says who? for me remakes should always just be about making the original game more fully realized to resemble its original style or concept art rather than redesigning some completely new and retarded thing

>>715100696
>errmmm its not real guiz even though SOTC goes for realistic body movement, and physics, and have giant monsters that would realistically move slowly and lumbering, and horse that moves realistically and combat that is realistic

>>715095631
>nah yeh

>>715100607
>how it would actually look like
Life must be so pale for the artistic illiterate

>>715100948
>says who?
Says the market as games with remakes that slightly enhance the original(like soul revear) sell worse than remakes that change a lot like RE2

>>715100637
It's a general problem in the remake.

>>715097394
Peter Jackson has absolutely mastered making me seethe. He did so many poor changes from the books for the original theatrical trilogy, no wonder all his remasters were shit.

The movies were good despite of him, not because of him.

>>715101462
I, too, get all my opinions from redditlettermedia.

>r/vee/ suddenly likes bloom turned up to eleven because old good new bad
Can't wait for 2010s era piss filters to be called the peak of video game aesthetics in another five years.

>>715101106
dust clouds exists in real life

>>715101462
>The movies were good despite of him, not because of him.

Looking at how the hobbit movies turned out and now the abysmal 4k "remaster" of LotR this was absolutely the case.

>>715101630
I got my opinion from reading the books. You should get your mommy to read them to you during bedtime.

>>715100021
>greatest strength of ue5 is lighting
>port entire creation engine and shove it into ue5 just to use the graphics engine
>Just doesn't use a majority of it because???
Are they retarded? That door would look fucking amazing with lumen and raytracing lighting up the walls and having dynamic shadows. It's literally a single fucking emissive map how hard could that have been?

>>715094381 (OP)
not just remasters, this is a so called next gen upgrade

>>715099534
what exactly do you like about the top one?

>>715096574
The bloom was patched reduced in the first patch. Also the remaster has real time shadows you dishonest bitch.

>>715094381 (OP)
Bottom looks like they got nuked.

>>715103003
Right has more radio stations.

Why are modern remakes always fucking blue?

>>715102989
>top
has a cohesive style and is visually clear. The characters look like they belong in the scene and the framing conveys a good sense of space.

>bottom
Visually noisy even with the blurred background. Assets and characters don't match up stylistically which makes the characters look like they are plastered onto the scene and not physically apart of it.

>>715094381 (OP)
>why do they always look worse than the original?

>>715094381 (OP)
>Dogshit heavy use of bloom because it was the VFX flavor of the month

>>715100948
>diablo 3 as the main reference of all things

Thank god for emulation

>>715104105
This has to be at different times of the day. There's just no fucking way.
I thought this was one of those half-decent upscales.

>>715103345
>Also the remaster has real time shadows
which makes the game look worse as you can see there

>>715104105
lighting, why is it always the lighting that gets fucked every time a game is ported or remastered

>>715094381 (OP)
the Demon Souls Demake is easily one of the worst ever.

>>715104356
modern jeets can't into optimization

>>715104436
>>715094381 (OP)

>>715098312
dark souls remastered is an insult to video gaming

>>715104538
I can't understand what the point of this shit is. It can't be the developers are so fucking nonchalant they think ''This needs improvement. There we go! Better!''
There has to be some reason they just change shit completely. This takes more effort and time than just redoing the original design.

>>715104356
It's always been like this. Seems lighting is really easy to break when porting.

>>715104356
Remastered cowl looks like shit

>>715099073
holy shit it's just like that fucking then vs now meme with the "dickhead" enemy LMAO.

>>715094381 (OP)
I thought you guys hated bloom?

>>715104538
There are anons who will defend blueball remake

>>715096574
Did they add bloom? Why?

>>715094381 (OP)
Epic Mickey Rebrushed genuinely looks better than the original while keeping the exact same art design philosophy.

>>715104717
>they think ''This needs improvement. There we go! Better!'
For the Demon Souls remake it was exactly that, they though that their interpretations of the designs, atmosphere and musics were superior to the original ones. They literally said it.

The worst offender is how they transformed the Flamelurker in a generic Balrog copy from lotr

>>715104737
what happened to video game animations. bottom look stiff as shit

thanks to everyone (or the one autist) posting these images, it's a great reminder that all remakes and remasters are absolute ass.

>>715104538
>his smile and optimism: gone

>>715105786
anything Night Dive remasters turns out pretty well. as for remakes, ive already shilled the Epic Mickey remake, which is just objectively better than the Wii original. Rogue-FP is a pretty solid first person remake of Rogue. there IS good remakes and remasters, youre just too jaded to enjoy them.

>>715105640
original design

>>715105786
>great reminder that all remakes and remasters are absolute ass
even the ones you least expected

>>715105401
I didn’t like Bloom in Gen 7. Gen 6 it was alright though Twilight Princess really had that cranked up for the twilight realms.

>>715104105
There really is a difference and people complained that they looked the same back then.

>>715098393
Low contrast can be aesthetic too, I'd say that's an example of it. I don't like the original at all but the remake looks alright to me. It's like with SOTC original being lower contrast but looking better as a result.

>>715098414
SC fucked with the FMV stuff, the inter-mission dialogue and portraits. And Warcraft 3 is like the worst remaster of all time.

>>715100308
nah that's how it looks all the time

>>715094381 (OP)
there are people who will say right looks better

>>715100607
LOL this guy has never EVER been in sand or dirt
when I fucking rototill my garden I get as much dust in the air as on the left

>>715106386
This is not as drastic but I went through the effort of putting both together so I may as well post it

>>715094381 (OP)
This thread again
Because the original developers were forced to work with limitations which forced them to get creative to accomplish what they wanted
Now, compared to 6 gen hardware, they have unlimited resources, they produce boring slop
You cant cross the same river twice homie

>>715094381 (OP)
bruh i swear those pillars are taken straight from the Spyro remake

>>715107015
right looks like a mobile version of the game on the left

>>715106972
I don't like how she looks like wax, the same goes for Wander specially, Lord Emon is the only human who looks good, that's probably the only thing I like better in the remake, he was a blurry low quality mess, his clothes were so low res you couldn't make much sense out of them.

>>715103003
>>715104198
>I thought this was one of those half-decent upscales.
tendies often assume their remasters are good because they have lower IQs, but they are usually bad

>>715094381 (OP)
Both look like absolute shit.

>>715107352
Skinwalker

>>715107145
do you think better hardware and tools made game development to easy, so all the talented developers left the industry to look for new challenges elsewhere?

>>715107145
i mean this looks pretty faithful.

>Why do games lack contrast nowadays?
Devs believe not being able to see absolutely everything on screen is an accessibility issue. Makes sense for Counter Strike 2 (which one could consider a remaster), doesn't make sense for your survival horror game.

>>715107352
Illia is a character you don't realize how cursed she looks until you see what she looked like in the original

>>715105282
I hope someone ports over the PS2 models lol. Unironically...

>>715107326
For some reason they gave him a really high quality model which almost look out of place with how much more faithful it is to the original design compared to the rest of the remake. Strange considering he is in the game for like 2 minutes

>>715106386
>where there was bloom that looked neat, there is now none
>where there wasn't bloom, there is now bloom that looks bad
I will never understand this

>>715107715
Think shitty LCD panels also played a factor in games getting more flat looking.

>>715107490
It's so funny how some drones can't recognize how massive this fuck up is. It's always made me laugh out loud, it's so fucking bad.

>>715094381 (OP)
Nostalgia. They look "worse" to you because they look different from what you saw as a kid.
In reality, what you mistakenly describe as artistic vision are just technical limitations. With remakes developers can go back and finally realize the true vision they wanted but couldn't back then.

>>715107015
I played it for the first time last year, what in the fuck Nintendo were thinking when they cranked the bloom to 300%?

>>715108114
deliberate careful usage vs slider goes to the max

>>715108284
>what you mistakenly describe as artistic vision are just technical limitations
go fuck yourself

>>715108402
mad cause hes right

No shadows allowed ever, also the switch port still hasn't fixed the coop bug which makes that mode completely unfun and unplayable at worst.

>>715108284
>With remakes developers can go back and finally realize the true vision they wanted but couldn't back then.
Most remasters are outsourced, tho.

>>715107790
god entity speaking through a beam of light turned into a literal hole in the ceiling

>>715108150
Really regretting buying this shit, even for $8. Was tempted by all the modders making the jump though.

>>715099908
They literally had concept art of basically everything looking exactly like the original game just updated. They then decided to go full retard and throw it away for their OC designs for no reason.

>>715104105
They got rid of the filter unfortunately
A better image shows how different the girl looks with it
Also how is that image accurate when the Wii version is mirrored to the Wii U/GCN version

>>715107790
I wish that the remake wasn't so green, the original game has different shades of green, grey, yellow and even some purple, also it needed new technology for his face because his model has the most uncanny head and neck movements combined with a stoic face that I've ever seen.

>>715099572
i agree every game should look like rogue or dwarf fortress. faggot.

>>715099668
What is up with the contorting neck on the guy on the right?

>>715100271
what the fuck thats such a cool detail. never noticed that when playing the original as i played it on a shitty crt back in the day

>>715098796
Looks exactly like BG3 on the right. So many games have that exact look, it's how you can spot inferior artists right away.

>>715108771
There are mods that make it somewhat playable but the character eyes are so fucked up in the remaster I just can't do it.

>>715103526
>we want the normie DnDgroid audience
i seriously hate this generic DnD dragon man design. TES 6 better not do this

Alan sees his future and hates it.

>>715094381 (OP)
Because the demake was made by someone else who is incompetent like bluepoint and bloober

>>715109441
TES 6 is going to be worse than starfield

>>715106270
what version of the game is that on the right? the HD collection? i knew it was bad but holy fuck that shit sucks

>>715109337
EXACTLY I hate that the game has a solid photo mode because remake or not you can get some pretty shots out of it, but he's generally doing something stupid that ruins it, also you can see that his hair has physics while playing, but it becomes static like an ugly wig when you toggle photo mode.

>>715100373
>he's looks like a fucking clown now

this one was pretty good. Redux just felt like a better feeling and better looking Postal 1.

>>715109720
yeah i know. a man can only dream. theres no reason to have any hope. wont even match TR concept art, i bet.

>>715109720
Jesus christ wtf did they do to him

>>715110108
no issue here. i actually quite enjoy the klonoa remakes.

>>715110320
blind

>>715094381 (OP)
Because most of them are outsourced to developers (probably Indians or Chinese) that are not only unaffliated to the original game/studio, but also have no passion towards any project they've been granted, because in the end, they are nothing more than contractors

>>715110496
no, im just not a jaded faggot.

>>715106270
is this ps2 vs pc?

>>715110614
eat the slop piggy

>>715110620
Since right is widescreen, it must be the infamous Silent Hill HD Collection on PS360.

>>715100852
You won't believe me, but they redid the models and painstakingly match every angle, lighting and render with the original sprites for Starcraft remastered.
Funny thing is it's the same studio who did the warcraft remake right after this too.

>>715094561
C&C Remaster is literally the one single exception to the rule.

I hate how so many remaster/ports end up being the worst version of the game.
It's such a common occurrence I have to always look up with is the best version before starting an older game.

>>715109068
holy zesty

>>715111121
I would say the tomb raider remasters too. Since they actually preserved the original graphics and made the new ones optional.

>>715111403
you pretty much just have to always play the original of anything except for a very few cases.

>>715111403
You don't have to look anything up. There's no reason to play anything but the original. Always.

this is my favorite, you can the absolute lack of soul (and humanity) in the eyes of whoever made this remake, you can just see their retarded dumbfounded expression going HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH?????? LET'S MAKE IT DARK CAUSE YEAH just fucking souless robot-human.

>>715096574
HD looks better 99% of the time.

Same for links awakening and Metroid prime remaster. Twilight princess also looks better.

>>715111867
Damn HD looks like shit.

>>715095386
I just beat medievil and this is the ending it made me smile so you shut the fuck up you stupid cunt

>>715111824
the amount of unflattering lighting in remakes its just baffling

>>715095083
Retards on /v/. wrack your brain to tell me why removing the same kind of fog you're complaining about in new games is bad in the PS3 version of SotC? I'm sure someone here can tell me why a clearer image, less bloom and more saturated colors is a bad thing in a remaster.

>>715111867
>HD looks better 99% of the time
>Posts screenshot where HD looks worse

>>715104737
Say what you guys want about the spyro remaster, but at least they added more soul to the animations and expressiveness, unlike whatever this is

>>715112271
It's bad because it goes against the original artists' vision. That's all the fucking justification you need.
Changing shit for the sake of changing it is just bad at best and disrespectful and downright harmful to the preservation of a game at worst.
You don't have to care about it, but I do. Never buying remakes.

>>715112271
>right looks better

>>715094381 (OP)
Remakes look worse because they don't stick to the original aesthetic. Admittedly this is hard because you want to update the graphics and effects and it's pretty difficult to do that while also keeping the old aesthetics, but most remakes just go way too far in changing everything. Shadow of the Colossus and Demon's Souls are great examples of this. They don't look bad, and in some ways look better than the originals, but both totally butcher the aesthetics for no real reason.

Remasters look bad because of lighting. It's always lighting.

>>715112435
idk man, some are real good. like DuckTales here. they even got the original voice cast from the cartoon and gave it a bit more of a narrative so itd feel like a playable ducktales episode.

>>715112539
The models and textures weren't changed in the PS3 remaster.

>>715112679
good lord

>>715112648
The redrawn sprites are charming and the voices are too, but the gameplay is mostly the same and the 3D environments don't look great.
Music is also very hit and miss. Some tracks just sound.. Overarranged? I don't know how else to put it.

>>715105282
delta is gonna suck

>>715112648
>some
There are two maybe three examples in a sea of rot. DuckTales remaster is good tho yes

Only bad games should be remade, in an attempt to make them good. The industry cashing in on remakes of popular games is no different from how Disney milks their beloved IPs.

>>715112560
Night Dive does good work. especially with Quake 1 and 2. it looks the same just HD, which is what is expected of a remaster.

>>715112901
No. Bad games shouldn't be remade. They should serve as a lesson on how not to do shit, knowledge they can use to make new games.

>>715112846
the gameplay being mostly the same, but a bit more exploratory worked for me. i just wanted the original but with some added flourishes, which is what remastered gave me. the 3D environments do look a bit budget, but honestly thats kinda charming to me. as for the music, i think they did a pretty good job overall. apparently they were pretty nervous about rearranging the Moon theme, rightfully so, but thats a standout track in remastered.

>>715112560
>It's always lighting
fucking always too

>>715094578
>cant see shit is good
Ahh that explains why all modern games have an insufferable white fog covering anything thats over 10 feet away from you

>>715105401
>you don't like bloom
yeah maybe, but what if the games art was designed around it.

>>715107352
>>715108283
The bloom makes the hair color way more natural instead of dark strands. What happened to her eye color?
MH Tri is another good example of this.

>>715107015
both look good, but I prefer the eye and shimmer on her mask on the left. The bloom adds some eeriness

>>715113070
thing is, some games are bad due to rushed development. id love to see a version of Blood 2 that didnt suck ass, so if we ever got a remake of that id check it out.

>>715095386
>>715094381 (OP)
Is it just inherent to PBR?
As is maybe this is just a result of using realistic lighting, and you can’t get the stylistic appearances like these without practically remaking the entire rendering process.
No, I don’t know shit, that’s why I’m asking.

>>715113070
I agree 100%
+ it is quite an egotistical thing to "do better" without any of the difficulties of the times

>>715113253
>both look good
in order to initiate yourself in the cult of "good taste" I recommend either watching a lot of footage of both versions or just playing them both on emulators or whatever.

the remaster should offend you when you are properly enlightened

>>715113305
the purpose of PBR is to make the left easier to make but instead of using it properly they just leave everything at default shit levels and it looks awful
it's an example of a tool making things much easier which unfortunately just encouraged utter laziness

>>715111867
>All of the game's graphic appeal lost
>"better"
k

>>715113281
I don't know. I think it's still better to be left in the past. It's always a shame when developers aren't afforded enough time and resources to realize their idea, but that's just reality.
Doing everything over isn't the solution. Thing is, you can ALWAYS ''improve'' something. At some point you'll just have to realize that something is done, or it's fucked, and move on with what you learned from it.

>>715113281
a version of blood 2 that doesn't suck ass is not blood 2 anymore

>>715112893
i can think of a few. obviously DuckTales, but heres some others i quite enjoy:

Rogue-FP
Destroy All Humans 1 and 2(yes the censorship is cringe as fuck but the gameplay is definitely improved)
Quake 1 and 2
Epic Mickey Rebrushed
Postal Redux
Shenmue 1 and 2
Dark Forces
Night Trap
Wild Guns Reloaded

Wild Guns Reloaded and Epic Mickey were standouts for me as far as remakes go. legitimately far better than their originals.

>>715113305
I think a lot of problems stem from implementing a global illumination system into a game that wasn't designed for it. And this new lighting then clashes with the baked and individually placed lights in the original.
For actual remakes however I have no idea how they manage to make them so much worse.

>>715100607
Almost as fast as a galloping horse is not slow. You don't know shit, really.

>>715113425
I was refering to that one specific image. Anons here way too often pretend that the originals are universally better because all examples are cherry picked against it.

>>715113425
>A remaster should offend you when you are properly enlightened
When this happens the world will start to properly heal.

>>715100607
I'm not here for realism, fag, I'm here for the game.

>>715112901
Games that deserve a remake the most will never get one, simply due to their poor initial reception and sales. That's how business works.

>>715113682
Not defending the remaster but ME2 had plenty of its own shitty lighting issues to begin with.

>>715097394
The clouds on the left look so good.

>>715112901
Just make a new game or sequel and improve upon it

>>715114126
ME2 was made in 2 years I say they did a pretty damn god job with the visuals but obviously not perfect. The remaster just broke everything and fixed nothing.

>>715113805
so was I.
it's a great example showing that the original IS universally better, and you're not seeing it

>>715097394
That's just a shit HDR to SDR screenshot though

>>715110108
This is just apples to oranges. They clearly went for an entirely different art style, and at least from that example, it looks okay.

>>715113921
tbf, Switch release fixes Remastered's visual issues like your example pick

>>715094381 (OP)
gddamn i love og sotc bloom maxing
>>715095083
it's crazy how incompetently made the ps4 model is. looks like someone's first attempt at a high poly model

>>715101462
>the director is only responsible for the bad things and not the good things
Can't speak for any changes he's made after the fact (do we even know that he's responsible for changes made to the 4k remasters?) but are you listening to yourself? The movies wouldn't even exist without him, he worked his ass off for years to make them happen. They're far from perfect adaptations but it's asinine to talk like he had nothing to do with them being good movies.

>>715114759
funny example, the background looks much better

>>715112679
>>715112778
That's pre update

>>715115137
>it looks better without the ephemeral bloom
proving my point and why I recommended looking into it further

>>715114990
Yeah the washed out style.

>>715115505
Top looks better

>>715116013
wack

>>715102989
I just think it's an interesting comparison since the original game wasn't exactly visually beautiful, but the remake still sands all the edges to make everything similar. In the original it's a very warm scene of a golden sunset in an autumn field. In the remake it is crisp air and greenery.
>original has plow lines following the shape of the field, light casing shadows on the troughs
>remake has straight lines texture placed on the field

>>715094381 (OP)
fidelity at any cost
doesn't matter if it makes sense or meaningfully contributes to the composition. Just add bumps and knooks and shit EVERYWHERE on EVERYTHING, until the entirety of the visual presentation is one uniform mess of visual noise.

pic rel

>>715108284
6/10 bait, you can do better

>>715094381 (OP)
BloodRayne 1 and 2 Terminal Cuts look pretty good. they'reremasters in the more oldschool way. touch up the original assets, bring the game up to HD. but dont change anything.

>go to play old game
>remember how many hoops you need to jump through to make it work right on modern hardware
>wish it would get a remaster to update the UI resolution and shit
>immediately remember all the shit that would be changed/cut/ruined if it actually got a modern remaster
Why do things need to be this way

remakes have some weird fetish for removing particle effects

>>715094381 (OP)
Because you're a nostalgiafag who refuses to acknowledge the passage of time. You are going to die alone and wonder how the fuck you died of old age as you fade into the afterlife.

7th Guest got both. a remaster of the original game with everything HD now, but nothing changed or altered. and a full VR remake that stays true to the original while having its own ideas and execution. check those out. if you're a fan of 7th Guest, youll probably vibe with one or both of those releases.

>>715119992
>unironically suggesting playing the shitty MojoTouch re-release of mobile version ported back to PC

>>715113119
>>715098312
The remaster looks like they deleted all the specularity masks.
If you don't know, in 3D modelling, it's common practice to create a black&white masks on top of your textures, in order to indicate how intense the highlights should be.
It's almost as if the Dark Souls remaster lost or deleted all of those masks.

>>715121368
i did also suggest the remake. the visuals of the remaster dont bother me too much, though. i think its good. the remake is far more interesting to me, since it does look different yet faithful.

>>715121479
>The remaster looks like they deleted all the specularity masks.
they did

>>715121646
Likely claim. But how do you know?

Wild Guns Reloaded is solid. improves the sprite work, adds 2 new levels, 2 new characters, 4 player co-op. everything just looks and plays better.

>>715121842
worked on the remaster

Cherrypicking: the thread

>>715121842
I have eyes, same as you.

>>715121972
that's all /v/ really is nowadays. cherrypicking and confirmation bias.

>>715100337
Do you have no soul?
I'm being serious. I'm scared that people like you might be real.

>>715122136
>tfw both xenoblade remasters make the games look worse

picrel got a remaster in 2004 called Bad Mojo Redux. only thing it really did was make the FMVs higher quality, but it was neat nonetheless. it was good enough to be the version that got re-released on digital storefronts.

>>715122041
you forgot throwing a tantrum when someone disagrees

>>715121908
All of Tengo Project's games are dope. They have the original old Jap fucks working on them and putting together their improved artistry to expand on their old games.

>>715122651
oh yes! how could i forget getting called a doublenigger for disagreeing withsomeone about a video game

>>715121908
they removed the heat haze effect from snes

>>715122687
so that explains why their releases have been so high quality and so extremely faithful to the original games. they do great work. i wasnt expecting Pocky and Rocky Reshrined to be a sequel, let alone a PHENOMENAL one.

>>715113682
Christ he she looks fucking horrifying in the original

>>715122136
I member playing xb1 on dolphin in 2015-16 or so after playing it on wii at release, and man i was blown away by the HD texture pack. Why do games not just take the original masters of the textures, HD them, and rerelease the game? Why do they ALWAYS redo the models and lighting and fuck up everything in the process?

>>715123463
that texture pack looks terrible

Mass Effect is such an interesting case because >>715113682 the remaster looks better here but then over here >>715114556 it's like what the fuck is going on?

>>715113425
For your sake, I really fucking hope the left one is the Wii U version and you're not defending that shitty low framerate and fog.

Grim Fandango Remastered is pretty good. doesnt fuck with anything and i like the improved lighting.

Funny no one posted FFX yet.

A remake is a new game, it should look and play vastly different from its original. A good example is Resident Evil 2make.

I'm not really sure what the purpose of a remaster is yet. Its arguably for "graphical fidelity", but rhe "graphics" that are there just get slop thrown on them.

I'll buy remakes and I'll buy ports but I stay away from remasters.

>>715094381 (OP)
Retard.

>>715124158
remasters can look pretty solid. ive brought up a few like Wild Guns, Quake, and BloodRayne. but another one i really liked was Sonic CD. didn't fuck with anything, just added HD with native widescreen.

>>715124151
why did they give him a completely different face

Cotton Reboot is a pretty good remake. the mix of 2d sprites for the characters and enemies, and 3D for the backgrounds is charming. plus it includes a an HD, widescreen port of the Sharp version of Cotton 1 as a bonus. 2 in 1. you want the remake? its there. you want the original but widescreen? its also there.

>>715124151
>OG honorary white jap
>HD remake 110% sea monkey philipino look
Why?

>>715096861
>and people aren't changing books

they've been censoring books for decades. dr. seuss and mark twain books have been changed because of racism.

>>715124495
Lifted it from the Mickey Mouse version most likely.

>>715115114
>(do we even know that he's responsible for changes made to the 4k remasters?)

he and some of the people that originally worked on the movies made the 4k remasters.

>>715097986
that's a mod, not a remake.

>>715124495
Outsourced work so, some idiotic sweatshop reason probably not worth discussing.

>>715124158
You've got it backwards. Remakes are pointless since good games don't need them and if the people making them could make something good, they wouldn't need to be remaking another game instead of making something actually good in the first place. Remasters have a purpose in that some older games could use updates that increase resolution, add modern features like scalable UIs, windowed fullscreen, controller options etc. It's just unfortunate that 99% of remasters are also shit because they change shit.

>>715094381 (OP)
It's a question of direction vision and intent.
The people making these changes either don't care (see the whole GTA san andres fiasco) or think they know better than the people who originally idealized the thing.

>>715104356
different engines have different settings. they're just too lazy to go scene by scene to make sure it looks the same.

>>715124003
I think the new control scheme leads to some confusion to first time players, and it really triggered my autism that they changed the credits music. But yeah it's nice that the player model looks like the cutscene model

>>715125403
you can actually change it back to tank controls in the options menu. theres even an achievement to beat the game with tank controls. Tim demanded it apparently. it does suck that the credits music got changed, though. id assume it was a rights issue.

>>715124687
HD remake was outsourced to a SEA monkey/chink studio. That's how much Squeenix cares for their flagship title.

Tomb Raider Anniversary was a pretty solid remake of Tomb Raider 1. had some annoyances, like making the moving skeleton on the throne a cutscene instead of in engine. but overall, pretty good.

>>715105401
we do. the picture with bloom isn't the original.

>>715115505
still too much bloom

>>715094381 (OP)
Because they are made by soulless vermin with no vision.

>>715094381 (OP)
Video games are a collaborative work, and the technology at the time the game was made was a limiting factor. The devs had to work with the tools available to achieve a beautiful image. In pic related you can see some cobblestone next to a asphalt road. Although asphalt is largely viewed as the superior medium for making roads (its cheaper and less labor intensive), the cobblestone is far more beautiful. When you take a game that was made to work on older technology and put it on modern hardware, it ends up being the equivalent of paving over a cobblestone pathway. Unless particular attention was given to restoring the original work 1:1. For example, the lack of fog in the silent hill compilations. At the time Silent Hill was made, fog was included to hide the draw distances of the PS1. This ended up becoming a staple of the series and one of the most memorable visual components of it's atmosphere. Draw distances have improved since then but removing the fog removes one of the defining artistic elements. It can be difficult to maintain the aesthetic of the original game, even the original artist probably had to compromise on their vision and most of the time what we end up with while beautiful, is not what the original artist imagined.

What is bluepoint up to anyways?

>>715098029
No fucking way

Nu-devs and nu-gaming studios dont get the concept of stylization.

>>715094381 (OP)
Pic not related?

this was a good remaster. only things it fucked with was having to remove the copyrighted logos and change the car model a bit since they didnt have the licenses to use those anymore, and they cut the multiplayer mode. but otherwise, solid remaster. my preferred way to play the game.

>>715094578
You’re brown. KYS

>>715100296
KYS zoom zoom shitskin

>>715128682
>someone disagrees with you
>resort to racism

never change, /v/.

>>715121972
Troon thread. This site fucking blows and should’ve stayed dead. >>715122761
KYS troonkike

>>715128821
hey another meltdown! hi anon! got anymore insults to throw my way? degradation turns me the fuck on!

>>715128762
This, but unironically.

>>715094561
AHAHA BOBRI KURWA

>>715128897
90% of the soul, stylization, and essence of the original is lost. Do people actually mutually lie to themselves and say remasters are better? Do people really care that much about polygon count that they believe these remasters are necessary? I just don’t understand the appeal

>>715124620
This looks nice

>>715129619
So soul just means "uglier" got it

>>715126945
Thank god they removed the racism

>>715129619
some remasters are pretty good. id argue the Mr. Driller Drill Land remaster looks far better than the original GameCube release, and still plays the same. there's no downsides.

>>715129767
The lighting effects and letterbox was the original intent

>>715129619
Most of what is lost in translation in remakes is aesthetic in nature, what brainlets call "soul", and isn't something you appreciate unless you've played the original, like the original, and have a sense for what makes a video game feel good and unique. To someone who never played the originals, remakes tend to look better because better resolution, lighting, and texture quality. Why would anyone who ever played the original think that characters are better off being ugly?

>>715105786
>If you don't like the new gameplay, artstyle, and mechanics we also packaged the original game and all its PS2 goodness at higher resolution as and side option
Literally that's all these remakes/remasters had to do. I only trust vanillaware to do remasters because they actually care about fans except PC fans.

>>715104717
People don't realize that between the step from 80% to 99% lies and order of magnitude in terms of effort, they can get it to just good enough but the original most likely has had the extra step it's similar to the light mapping stuff, you can get it "ok" but to get it to the final stage it's going to take you a lo more
This you get dull light and uninspired character design and animation

>>715129690
yeah Cotton Reboot is super cool. i appreciate the changes in the remake to make the gameplay a bit more engaging, and the new art style. a bit disappointed that art style didnt carry over into Cotton Rock n Roll.

>>715128897
This is rather disingenuous. Replicant was a low budget PS2 game released on PS3, in which nearly everyone share the same body/face (and pretty basic one) model but with different hair. Nier, Kaine, Devola and Popola, human Emil, they all look the same. It wasn't the case of style but more of a lack of it to a certain degree. People say that redesigns are more in line of the original character art, but I never bothered to check the artbook myself. As far as I'm concerned, both look like dolls.
The real travesty here is the new soundtrack. Original game was heavily carried by music, and remake completely ruined it.

>>715128897
>>715129619
Original game looks better in screenshots but looks a LOT worse in motion so it's a fair trade off
everything else is better in the remake except some of the songs, so it's an S rank remake over all.

millenial artstyle

>>715097394
this is only a problem on blu-ray and only for fellowship. Still inexcusable though

>>715094381 (OP)
Because games in general often look worse than they use to.

>>715128897
>>715129619
>>715133343
I'm playing the PC port for the first time and the game looks and runs beautifully to me. This was honestly the nicest looking port of a PS3 game I've come a crossed. My only problem is that its a lousy port trying to run the game because of all the shit I had to do to fix the game in order to get it to run properly.

>>715133785
there are a couple of scenes like this one here that obviously look better in the original but overall the game looked bad back then and the remake generally looks great so yeah

only super contrarians would recommend the original over it

>>715133564
>2025
>the age of giganigga 4K ultra HD blu-ray rips that average a hundred gigabytes per movie
>still have to download dingy DivX DVD rips from 2004 because they're the only versions that were not fucked with
Ebin.

>>715133897
The original American game is literally a different game, so you don't have to be contrarian to recommend it.

>>715107027
FULLY

>>715127669
Ruining another good game

>>715124151
the remaster would be perfect if the faces weren't fucked.

>>715134823
all the lighting and textures are fucked though
aren't menus even lower FPS?
literally the only improvement was to the few pre-rendered backgrounds not stretching in widescreen

>>715109068
holy fuck thats so bad that makes me angry

>>715134626
And it's not like the bottom looks bad but it's like they saw a bit of moss on the walls and said a yes, let's make the whole place completely overgrowth even though it makes no sense

>>715094802
I think apple I see wumpa fruit what do

>>715128897
nice tits on the left

>>715128897
And the most egregious change.

>>715135621
Wait till you see her dick.

>>715114759
the original is for gamecube. that's why wii is flipped. forced shit to include motion controls that didn't go well with link being left handed.

>>715134823
And "fucked" is a bit generous, looking how in a few cutscenes you can't even tell the characters are emoting anymore. This one here, where Yuna appears blind on the remaster looking at nothing.

just emulate the originals on your chinkheld of choice

>>715103371
Tenchu?

>>715128558
nah. it runs like ass and the lightning system wasn't improved. nothing of the gamplay was fixed. this was lazy as let people choose higher resolution. at best can be called a port.

>>715103371
birthing hips are too scary for the modern audience

>>715136139
i didnt notice any performance issues. i played it on 2 separate platforms, pc and switch, and both versions ran pretty well.

>>715094381 (OP)
because Blue Hairs are incompetent fucks

>>715095083
IT'S A WH*TE MALE!!!

>>715107528
actually these games were fully fucked.
all sorts of graphical effects are missing, it's a plunder.

>>715095083
Characters in these games are meant to look asian, I guess that they completely missed that

>>715135821
She has her bulge clear as day in the PC version unless you're talking about the piss filter.

>>715100853
it's the best looking game released so far

>>715094381 (OP)
Devs feel the need to update the game to fit modern standards. Which would be fine if remasters/remakes actually came packaged with the original game.

>>715107715
Yeah shitty LCD TV's during the mid 2000's and 2010's had to be kept in mind during development. I believe this is why Diablo 3 was more cartoony looking and lacking contrast since it was made for consoles in mind.

>>715137624
that's racist.

>>715099668
>that neck on the right
Lmao gtfo fag

>>715137696
Post it.

>>715137829
brought it up already, but some do. Cotton Reboot came packaged with the original game. Alex Kidd DX had the original game as a reward for beating it. Quake 1 and 2 remasters allow you to play the originals by selecting them on game boot. hell, the Doom 1+2 remasters come with the original wads for the games, including the wad for the new expansion so you can run them in whatever source port you see fit.

>>715138151
If this thread is still up in a couple of hours I can.

>>715127241
I agree with this pic but the 3d models in NG2B look hot and the only real sins are on the censorship front

>>715114964
HDR does not change the colors back to the left.

>>715127861
san andreas can only be played on the PS2

>>715115045
switch release does not fix anything, it simply doesn't have any changes to the original graphics so it looks the same as the xbox and ps3 version. The switch version however has really shitty compressed audio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktdCnljtgmI

I feel as though any remaster of any work of fiction should require the supervision and approval of the original creator(s).

Only the original creators can understand what was an artistic decision versus a technical limitation.

>>715140413
mods make PC look like the left pic but better.

>>715142246
that's how you end up with shit like this.
creators get retarded as they get older.

>>715142528
There’s nothing wrong with that. Creators have a right to do whatever the fuck they want with their own work. They made it, and they therefore know what’s best for it.

Bottom also makes more sense from a symbolic perspective.

>>715142579
>left looks like he just sucked a dick
>right looks like a psycho who will randomly stab you

>>715142579
see-more guano

>>715142246
problem is the original creators where a team of people at a set moment in their life. One or some of them going back to their previous work to change is not necessarily going to end up with a more artistically pure intention. Just look at >>715142528

Another example with Lucas is when he made Temple of Doom he was going through a divorce which he said contributed a lot to the style an mood of that film. If he went back years later and did changes it would not be with a mindset of a man going through a divorce thus he would not be capable of updating it in a way that would stay true to the original.

>>715142638
who are the creators of that film? Movies are made with a huge team of people and not just a director/producer. Revisionism even done by the "original creator" is still revisionism. Once you put a piece of art out in the world you give up creative ownership of it.

>>715142882
it just, it's not even a technically better product it's just different in a worse way

>>715140413
nah bro, the PS2 version is peak but the PC version modded with SilentPatch and reLUX blows it out of the water. smoother frame rate, better lighting, proper draw distance without nuking the fog, and you can still keep the charm. don’t even get me started on the custom radio stations.

>>715142740
Jesus christ, I didn't know of this example.

>>715095178
>>715106940
zelda used to be kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLUBcARHejc

anyone know if the recent Star Ocean 1 and 2 remakes are good?

>>715143093
The law would disagree, and also creators going back to make alterations and edits to their works for future rereleases is pretty common in media. Lucas just gets shit for it because he openly advertised that he was making those changes, and also that said changes were obvious rather than subtle. The fact it was considered cool to dunk on Lucas during the late 90s and 2000s also probably didn’t help.

>>715094381 (OP)
Actual artists had to do all the lighting and other baked post processing shit by hand back then. Now its all simulated.

Basically any pixel art port.

>>715103526
I miss the neon colors.

>>715143442
the law is irrelevant, no one is suggesting Lucas did something illegal. He just did some shitty revisionism to his own movie which wouldn't be a problem if he just offered the original cinematic cut as an option for those who wanted it. Imagine being the team who made the original SFX for the death star explosion only to have it be removed and replaced by someone else work.

>>715143576
>woooow I managed to find one time of day under specific weather conditions when this place looks worse than it did if you shrink and compress the image far enough!

>>715143576
Why do so many modern games have a fetish for post processing over clear colour palettes?

>>715105282
That bottom picture is clearly a photo someone took of a monitor lmfao what a retarded comparison

>>715103654
Blue is supposed to suppress appetite and reduce food consumption, so maybe it does something for shit movies too.

>>715143462
I bet the same people crying about AI in art, are the same who praises computer simulations taking over for handcrafted lighting.

>>715143697
motion blur, lense flare, bloom, depth of field, fog
alright boss, they can't see our shitty art direction anymore. sweet

>>715143682
Weren’t most of the original team completely fine with the changes Lucas made? It’s not like he didn’t consult them, and again, it was HIS movie and everyone else was just hired to help him make that vision come to life. Episodes I-VI weren’t corporate movies designed democratically by committee.

>>715142528
wtf, they replaced that based actor with this sand weirdo

>>715094561
StarCraft Remastered is also great, and I think Nightdive tends to do a good job

>>715143802
this. The "artists" can see just how horrendous their models look in the editor without all the added post processing effects. So they jack it up to 11 in the finished product to hide their inadequacies.

>>715095178
>>715095386
>all modern games are desaturated and covered in anti-soul gas
>all remakes add lighting and color to scenes that originally were a lot more stylized
How? How the fuck can they fuck up both? Are modern AAA artists just absolute dogshit at their jobs? Are all modern art schools actively training people wrong as a joke?

Remakes are done by soulless JEETs for peanuts
What do you expect?

>>715144129
The standards in art schools have been declining for awhile (see CalArts as an example). The best artists nowadays are self-taught.

>>715143932
>most of the original team completely fine
are you just going to continue making irrelevant arguments? It does not matter if 1 were fine or all were fine Lucas can do what he wants, asking anyone on the original team is just a formality.
The problem is and always will be creators memory holing their own work after it has been released to the public. If you think that artists behaving this way is ok then you do you.

>>715144251
or chinks, in the case of FFX

>>715144325
Potato potato

>>715100271
He still degrades on the right, it's just all 16 stages. Compare remake top left to the bottom right.

>>715094381 (OP)
Why does anyone think the chance that a different group has the ability to recapture what people over 10 years ago accomplished?

>>715145313
Because it's been done. Some people simply care

>>715145335
Name 3

>>715145335
>>715145357
im asking because im actually curious not disingenuous

>>715142638
It's still a Bastardization of the original.
A piece of art is a time capsule of its creator in that time period and it's almost impossible to recreate it even for the original creator, this applies even more to video games that are collaborative piece of art where the removal of just one person causes a huge butterfly effect.
I the end people are pissed that the original version are not available in most cases especially in out digital age were to do so would be effortless.

>>715145458
exactly, if the original versions were preserved and easily accessible everything would be fine. As it stand though, remasters be it movies, music or games are usually proclaimed to be the definitive version of the work. This is especially egregious when it comes to the blueballs remakes because these remakes mean we will never get proper restorations of the original games.
Demon's Souls the original fromsoft version is now forever stuck on the ps3 and considered by the caretakers to be a version not worth playing by anyone ever again.

>>715145398
Nta but most people would mention the RE1 remake and while it is a good game it's still vastly different from the original for example
>library changed from claustrophobic zombie infested area to a open boss arena for the snake
>room that shows the helipad was removed
I could go on but you get the idea.

>>715145724
not only are the best versions of games stuck on SNES, PS1, PS2, etc.
but new people get introduced to the botched versions. they don't know any better so there's less and less demand to preserve what is being lost.
the only saving grace is that nerds are good at backing up roms and developing emulators.

>>715126201
It had pretty big flaws.
I hated the Trex being a qte boss and the torso boss being a shitty orangutan

>>715127241
Shitty nerfed remake

>>715135821
I saw no bulge in my xbox version

>>715094578
God tier bait, u know that there are people that think like this and see no wrong

>>715145724
This is mostly to blame on the people who purchase this "demakes" and enable their creation.
Gaming which has become normalfag hobby at this point is full of people that want games to be seen as art but then treat them like toys once a new and shinier one appears.

>>715098029
>>715127682
Outsourced to India. No joke.

>>715146091
most of the people buying Spyro, Crash Bandicoot, Final Fantasy, Zelda, etc. remakes never played the originals.
the industry grew significantly, so most of these people were either too young / not alive during that time or not into the hobby yet.

>>715134626
That's not the same room. Top is the tutorial, bottom is 1-1, near the dragons.

>>715146518
thats not the point, retard.

OG Demon's Souls is still one of the most immersive and atmospheric vidya experiences i've had
it's the only Souls game i've finished

>>715094381 (OP)
nortubel remake when?

>>715104717
They LITERALLY hire pajeets that just don't fucking think and slap UE store assets everywhere.

>>715146539
Right, the point is to lie and pretend 2 different areas looking different is bad, actually.

>>715146704
is about the aesthetic you absolute moron

>>715146704
here you go anon

>>715140413
>can only be played on the PS2
Modded San Andreas with SKYGFX and no project 2DFX (increased draw distance mod that people commonly install) looks basically identical to PS2.

>>715146606
>it's the only Souls game i've finished
Probably because it's 2 hours long.

>>715097986
I cannot not laugh at Chris' build. It's so cartoonishly funny

>>715146815
they convey 2 completly different atmospheres

>>715146894
i do love my short games. made it like 50 hours into ER before dropping it
not sure when i dropped DS1

>>715146815
Much better. Why even bother lying when just showing the same area side by side already does all the work of showing how shit the remake is?

>>715146947
yes, and that's why it's bad.

>always

Why do OPs often hamstring their own threads?

>>715094381 (OP)
PS2 version is unplayable, it's like 15 fps on the first boss.

>>715094381 (OP)
because they're quick cashgrabs meant to squeeze every last cent from the game.

>>715146815
>>715147029
perfect example of how the new artists didn't understand the original work at all and just added a bunch of shit to the scene because they could.

>>715147168
>PS2 version is unplayable
yet I have a completed save on my PS2 memory card, hm

>>715147198
same goes for OST remakes where the original is a clean and catchy melodic tune that you'll remember for the rest of your life, while the orchestral remake has 50 instruments all playing at the same time and sounds forgettable as a result

>>715142579
Neither version saves that dogshit haircut

>>715147198
The real question is, did the artists as a bunch of shit because they thought it looked better. Or is it there because it was there on the cheap asset store pack they downloaded.

>>715147342
The way maiden astraea's boss music was butchered should be considered a crime against humanity

>>715143576
life imitates memes

>>715142579
I hate this remaster. Almost everything does look much better, but then they went and completely fucked up the faces of every character.

>>715094381 (OP)
americans

>>715112893
That's what happens when you put furries into the dev team. Everything will go towards being fuckable.

>>715147393
probably just he easiest way to make the higherups think they were working "hard" and therefore a vital part of the company

>>715142307
>>715143212
>>715146830
>mods make it look good again so you're actually wrong
Are you getting paid by the devs to suck their cock online?
Why are you defending a shitty product that has to be fixed later by third-parties?

The comparison the picture makes is not
>here is how the two games look in their prime
but instead
>this is what the developer sees as a successful port or remaster

>>715146947
One of which, the demake, completely misses the point of the story. Boletaria isn't some ancient dilapidated kingdom that's been overtaken by nature for decades. Its fall is a very recent event.

>>715145357
>>715145398
StarCraft Remastered, arguably most remasters by Nightdive (e.g. Quake 1/2 Enhanced), Grim Fandango Remastered, I've heard good things about Destroy All Humans! though I haven't played it myself

>>715094381 (OP)
They don't always. Soul Reaver looks amazing,

>>715147864
>censored game looks amazing

>>715147535
>therefore a vital part of the company
99% of these outsourced to some shitter studios specced into ports and demakes, like Bluepoint. Busywork is not something they need to do to stay afloat.

>>715109082
Bad skinning on the model, ncompetence

>>715147958
They fixed that statue before release and even gave her a bigger ass

>>715147393
They unironically thought the original style did not matter and was outdated, it's something they mentioned in an interview. Imagine such hubris holy shit. They only kept the gameplay (but added input delay) because they thought that was the core of Demon's Souls.

>>715100607
Its moving as fast as the horse u fucking mongoloid lmao, its not moving slow

>>715147958
>>715148053
Here's the fixed statue

>>715148085
>but added input delay
???
Why?

>>715148259
probably to hide some jank or bug they were to incompetent to fix

>>715100021
oh my god

>>715148259
To make the animations look smoother. If you play the original you can see how the animations can sometimes snap to position, but getting rid of that makes the game feel worse to play.

>>715148195
>>715148053

looks good, I stand corrected

>>715147740
>Are you getting paid by the devs to suck their cock online?
The original PC version isn't being sold anymore, so i don't know how that's possible.
>Why are you defending a shitty product that has to be fixed
Because it plays fine? you have to patch it to run at high resolutions on modern systems anyway so this just apart of process of getting SA up and running. Not to mention once patched it still has all of the original music, you won't find that on the remasters. It's about preferences in aesthetics at the end of the day and people are very picky if it doesn't line up with their nostalgia. Why is it such a big deal if this is such a small step to experience San Andreas on how it looked on PS2? i thought most people would have played SAMP at least once.

>>715148392
>why is releasing an inferior product such a big deal

>>715102336
I too miss the hundreds of pages talking about fucking gary stu tom bombadil doing retarded shit that nobody cares in the movies

>>715100021
why is there a fucking lamp above the secret door to a murderous cult lol

>>715104737
the margin between tough guy and söyboy is wafer thin indeed

>>715148506
is this RTX off?

>>715147198
>didn't understand the original work
They did. When you arrive in Beletaria it's overgrown. You don't see the same detail later because the polygonal budget was tight and the game run like shit already.

>>715148493
It's inferior because the sky is orange? the PS2 version couldn't render some pretty basic distances because of it's shitty hardware. Even some of the models from the PS2 version were lower quality, which you can mod back in if you so desire.

>>715127579
There's another reason: GPUs today shit themselves with transparency.

That's why all hair, fog, god beams and things like that look like shit in remasters and remakes. In the original it's most likely a PNG with alpha channel, which old consoles rendered without much problem (in fact, they were designed around that).

Current GPU chug like an expresso machine when trying to render transparency, even more if things overlap. They're just not designed for that.

See my image from MGS2? The reflections are made just by having a semitransparent wall and two camera models opposed. No memetracing and no other shit.

And on a CRT it looks better than a modern game will ever do.

We have computers that are 1000x more powerful than that yet fail to get such effects in a convincing way because they just try to bruteforce it

>>715142528
desu agreed >>715142638
If Lucas didn't change that scene it would be extremely confusing. It's a way bigger topic than this thread would allow since there are a ton of other changes too and fixing that would constitute to remaking the prequel movies.

>>715148728
that picture looks like a video game and real life both at the same time.

>>715142246
The director did this.

>>715148858
James Cameron is a deranged lunatic and the apocalyptic 4K BD releases of his old films only further prove this.

>>715142638
No. Once you release it to the public it's no longer exclusively yours. You might have the legal rights to the IP and so on, but art becomes art when it's shared with other people, because it's the reactions and experiences of those people that elevates it. People change as they age, and artists are no exceptions. The art they made while young is likely not the same as what they make when they're elderly, at which point they might as well be two different people. If you don't want A New Hope, directed by George Lucas (33), to be reworked by J. J. Abrams, you shouldn't want it reworked by George Lucas (81) either

>Point out how awful of a job so many remasters are
>Pajeets come to defend other pajeets work

>>715148641
just mod your game anon

>>715148858
Not a Terminator fanboy but I can see why he would do that, blue being a cold colour and machines being cold and emotionless. That said, the top one looks better to me.

>>715142740
>she sees your big dick
>she sees your small dick

>>715149249
Modding to change a simple change in hue in the time sync is not really a big deal. And i don't import the PS2's models because for the most part the PC version of San Andreas looks superior, minus the parachute which is a genuine fuck up. Maybe you haven't realized this by now but Rockstar were inconsistent across the board about their ports back then, which is why for some strange reason GTA 3 looks the best on the xbox. But you're too much of a retard to have figured this out by now.

bluepoint remaster

>>715113119
The remaster armors look like plastic.