As someone who doesn't give a shit about live service slop, who's side do I take in this?

>>715124235 (OP)
If Stop Killing Games succeeds, there will be less Live-Service games

Live service slop is going to be a bit more annoying to make if this passes.

>>715124386
good, fuck that fotm slop the shits only viable for months pr a couple years hence the microtransactions in the 20-40$ range fallout 76 should have a private server option once bethesda decides its not economically viable cause you know the min steam sales hit like 1$ and no one is buying theyre just gonna be like ok we milked em dry shut it down fuck the goyim

Anyone have the Ross edit of pic related?

>>715124627
>fallout 76
SKG backers can't help but prove they have really shit taste in games that died for a reason
i mean yes, sure, i think games should have a private option but holy fuck am i still waiting to hear an example where i would use it

>>715124235 (OP)

As a sheep i take the side my favorite youtuber i have a parasocial relationship with told me to support, and hate whatever other youtuber like Pirate Software i am told to hate :)

>>715125007
>ad homenim on the example
i see you learned to argue from pirate shitware

obviously the one who wants more government control over your videogames
are you stupid or something?

>>715125398
yea we should be able to sell asbestos lined game cartridges wtf

>>715124235 (OP)
You take the side where you look into it for yourself you fucking brainrotted retard

>>715125464
>i let the government fuck me in the ass to own the business owners
move to north korea then

pirate software obviously has a conflict of interest him and his family no doubt still recieve royalties from blizzard and their game as a service model (one of the first i might add ifnot THEE)

>>715125007
>but holy fuck am i still waiting to hear an example where i would use it
That's kind of the point though isn't? Just because you don't give a fuck, doesn't mean others wont use it.

>it doesn't matter if i don't benefit from it personally

Why are people so tech illiterate? Other than shills who are paid to say it, I keep seeing people going "It'd be too expensive" to EoL a server system for customer use, but a lot of current server architecture is for "meta" elements of a game rather than the game itself, which we have evidence can run standalone. It'd be a week at most to decouple "meta" elements like account verification and anti-cheat from servers, but even then, this wouldn't be a problem since this is not retroactive so you can design your network in a way that you can take out micro-services when needed, which any good server architecture designer would already be planning for.

I guess the other tangential point is why does the games industry get to get away with bad practices that the rest of the software industry has solved ages ago?

>>715125625
You do know that not every action of the government is nefarious, right?

>>715124235 (OP)
There's no point shilling for the game companies unless you have a personal stake in them.

>>715126576
and its quite the lucrative business the past few decades

The further along Stop Killing Games gets, the angrier publishers get which is very funny. May as well throw some fuel on the fire.

idk

>>715125398
Empty word coming from some faggot who didn't annex EU himself.

>>715125398
>>715125625
Why is government regulation of corporations meant to be bad?

>>715128846
The government shouldn't be involved in the markets unless it's to enforce laws corporations benefit from like trademark and copyright
I will now vaguely state SKG is going about it incorrectly while not outlining how a hypothetical "proper way" would be done or highlight a better opportunity than a game with over one million purchases being shut down by a shiteating company with draconian EULAs headquartered in an EU country known for strong customer protections

>>715129724
You didn't answer my question at any point in that.

>>715124235 (OP)
>ack

>>715124235 (OP)
what about actually reading the petition and FAQ so you can hold your own opinion instead of asking some twitterfaggot about how you should think
you ficking normalfag scum

>>715124235 (OP)
>Do you think that games should be able to get killed off by their owners?
>Yes/No?
>And yes that includes your favorite games, as companies can and will go after them eventually, including outright malware to wipe your HDD of their product

>>715124235 (OP)
One side wants developers to come up with an end of life plan for their games, the other wants you to never be able to play your games again once the servers shut down. Choose.

>It's the difference between putting grandpa in a wheelchair, and taking him behind the shed and shooting him in the head.

>>715124235 (OP)
If you don't like live service then you should side with Stop Killing Games, because that will end games as a service.

>>715135184
>"IF GRANDPA WAS MEANT TO SURVIVE, GOD WOULDN'T HAVE PUT HIM IN FRONT OF ME!"

Looks like the BeamNG dudes have disavowed Video Gays Europe

>>715136401
I would imagine there would be a lot of DEVELOPERS who would be at worst neutral to SKG, whereas PUBLISHERS would be pissing and shitting themselves.
It also says something about lobby groups that they can make statements and actions without consulting the people they are representing without warning.

>>715125398
>>715128846
>>715125625
This is only necessary in the first place due to government regulations that impact the end user.
>>715129724
kek
>>715125007
While it does mostly impact scummy companies with mediocre games, the trend of the industry suggests that scummy companies will continue to acquire all of the good companies, eventually leading to the sunsetting of good games that compete with bad games.
>>715136819
The lobby groups are ultimately subservient to the globalist legal cabal that makes its money off of vicious and frivolous lawsuits derived from IP law.

>>715137038
What regulations?

Normies and greed ruin everything

>>715137038
Why should the government protect only the corporations and never the consumers? I know the answer is that you’re baiting, but I’ll bite.

>>715137225
woops, wrong post. i need to go to bed

>>715136401

>protag's enemies are comically retarded and incompetent

If you sell a game as a product you shouldn't be able to destroy it randomly. Same as buying a book, a hat, a life size statue of donkey kong or any other item.

If you sell a game as a service you should have to clearly define the length/availability of the service. Same way Netflix tells you service ends 30 days after your last payment. Etc

Nearly all mmos would be fine under this since they do the latter anyway.

Literally just a question of do you support property rights and companies not being able to lie when selling things

>>715137426
>not answering the question about why he joined a lobby group
Something is fucking fishy here.

>>715137731
It kind of is and isn't from what I am reading, I think they are treating it like a union, where the experience of the members being in the industry is used to put forward their positions, but he is also saying that what this lobby is doing right now isn't in line with what they expected for it.

>>715137426
It does make me wonder with other vidya companies where the whole "Fuck the customers, they don't know shit lolololololololol" attitude came from. I know other industries are also doing it, but they aren't as blatant as outright saying "Our old products compete with new products".

>>715129724
>le gabmen is bad unless they act in favor of our, i-i-i mean, the companies, don't forget to eat your bugs and pay the pod anon
imagine being a corporate shill, or even worse, an unpaid corporate shill.

>>715137731
That’s not the question. The guy is asking him why he’s surprised the lobbying group is trying to act in the financial interest of the video game companies. That’s what he’s answering.

>>715137976
>ehemmmmmmm
i think i'm actually retarded and that anon was actually baiting...s-sorry,but still there are too many lolberts and ancaps who are that unaware of themselves so its sometimes hard to tell apart

>>715125007
You don't play video games, so it wouldn't apply to you either way.

>>715128846
Because he's an American.

>>715138235
It's ok fren, as long as we can play vidya

>>715125398
>The government regulating corporations and their extremely Jewish behaviour is bad.
Where the fuck are all you lolberts coming from? Who the fuck wouldn’t want the corporations to have less power other than the greedy fags themselves?

>>715124235 (OP)
BLM for gamers

>>715137426
I haven't seen anything from LowRez HD in 10 years, nice cameo appearance

>>715138557
This!
If you support SKG we don't want you in MAGA!

>>715138557
how can it be BLM if all the corpos are openly against it

>>715124828
That could be more honest.

>You'll be tortured forever.
>And you won't be happy.
>And your masters will laugh at your suffering.
>And evil will finally win.

>>715138789

>>715138789
Understandable, considering that SKG is a pro-consumer movement whereas MAGA is anti-consumer, especially against American consumers.

>>715139408
Pish-posh! Those face-eating leopards surely won't eat MY face!

>>715124235 (OP)
NOT the literal furry (99% zoophile) schizo nepo fag's side. Let's at least agree not to start there.

All else is fine by me.

Jews who get nothing to lose from making games unprofitable are trying to fuck with jews who get to lose something. That's it.

Digital vidya literally has no ownership and has been flooded with government funded coomer pedo zoophilia neomarxist mutli kulti feminist shit.

To say that not being able to play multiplayer mode in games 20 years after they were released is killing games, is like saying that continuing raping a female after she died should be illegal.

You are specks of shit in the world of psychopathic jews and not a single movement, not a single public action is your own.

>>715124235 (OP)
I wonder how many faggots who slurped degenerate shit like baldur's gate 3 are crying about games being killed. Vidya has been destroyed for a decade by neomarxism but these mindless drones just want something to occupy them between sleeping, shitting and jerking off.

>>715140440
Can you express any of your ideas without spewing a /pol/ memeword for more than 10 words?

>>715124235 (OP)
Just look at the companies opposing it

>>715140736
No.

>>715124235 (OP)
This entire movement started because ubislop take away their irrelevant slop and soiboys are soing over the fact that they cant consoom the slop. The people who are phullsapport this movement are the usual internet grifters like groomz, he piggybacking on this topic to hide the fact that he's getting btfod by ubislop for ac shadows and being outed as fetish porn videographer. And as usual, they have other gamedevs backing up their movement to jump in on the lulztrain for some reason
For americans who dont understand this matter, imagine that mcdonalds have triple cheeseburger menu, but one day they realize that nobody eat triple cheeseburger anymore because they made quadruple cheeseburger and other burger menu, and so just before mcdonalds decided to take away that triple cheeseburger menu, people are protesting and soing on the internet (of course its on the internet, do you think they will march outside to the mcdonalds corporation itself? They barely go outside lol), anyway they are spreading the hasthag that mcdonalds is killing burger because one single retarded menu is being replaced by other menu and yadda yadda somehow government involved in here etcetera.
At the end of the day its still a worthless movement being played by smelly grifters so that they could do something in their worthless lives before they died alone at their early 40s

>it’s important to humanity to preserve access to shitty online only games

>>715140894
Can you post this again but without the reddit buzzwords?

>>715140736
Which words do you not understand and need me to explain? Did you try googling them?

>>715140979
>noooo dont take away The Crew and several other slop that I barely cared about! I want to consoom more slop! More slop! More slop! Here's what my kektuber is saying about this topic
>*show video with some tarded looking guy talking to the camera o algo*
That summarizes this entire movement

>>715140971
The crew was a single player game with always online drm.

>no!!! Not my racing car game!
Kek

Does it really matter what game it is? I play obscure shitty 90's games and I'd be damned if someone took that away from me, no matter how many people even know about it, let alone play them.

>>715141036
Why should i engage in honest discussion with a subhuman whose ideas are worth less than the actions of a roach, an ant, or any kind of fucking insect? You along woke faggots are the ones who are ruining the internet and turning it into a battleground for this faggot "culture war" of yours, fuck off

>>715141297
Your idea comes from online personalities and internet grifters though

>>715141297
>the culture war is you defending against neomarxism in video games, not neomarxist jews pushing their ideology into video games
You call me a subhuman while being a mindless npc who just wants to consume shit like cattle. You couldn't even conceptualize an honest discussion anymore than imahine an apple.

Sorry but if it's corporations vs government regulation I'm choosing the government regulation. You don't wanna create an offline mode when you sunset a game? Fuck you, don't make it like that then you fucking faggot.

>>715124235 (OP)
You are retarded if you think they will stick to live service games. You should KYS now.

>>715141052
Think it blew up thanks to pirate software being retarded iirc

>>715125398
What is wrong with government regulation and don't come out with mutt nonsense? Capitalists are a joke.

>>715141565
It's communism.
Trillion dollar corporations care about us.

This entire fiasco can be boiled down to a few very very basic facets:
>Corps have had a stranglehold on videogames since the internet had gained mass appeal
>Gamers have had enough, and through this initiative they want to force their will onto these corps to be able to play their game and get the value of their money even when a corp doesn't want them to
>Corps start shitting their pants because the initiative has had the Streisand Effect in full swing and now needs to do damage control
>Corps begin trying to undermine the initiative with false equivalency tactics, obfuscation of intended goals by the initiative, goalpost moving, active disinformation, and flooding with bad-faith actors to try and paint the initiative in a poor manner
>which is feeding into the Streisand Effect even more
>Corps shitting their pants harder
>Corps want to turn this into another Gamergate situation where they can control the narrative
>It's failing miserably
>rinse, repeat

If this was 2021+covid era /v/ermins would mock grifter like groomz and that half goatee cut balding guy, turn them in to söyjak and post the caricatures on kweh, making them retreat from the internet like those irl jakkies before
These days you niggers just straight up worship them to death. Pathetic

>>715124235 (OP)
i chose the SKG side because i'm a consumer rather than a shareholder, so it's more beneficial for me to be on the side that promises to not let corporations assfuck consumers as hard anymore

>>715125398
>
/

>>715141406
what idea? that turning everything into a vector to talk about pol points and unironically rant about trannies and jews and spam infographics or whatever is retarded? is that the point grifters and online ecelebs are shilling nowadays? then i must be very out of loop
>>715141450
i literally just want to enjoy my hobby. kill yourself or go be a stormfront shill somewhere else faggot, i dont care

>>715124235 (OP)
SKG is literally commumism.

>>715124386
Sounds good to me.

>>715141597
or it's just bullshit initiative

>>715141616
Ross will always be a gem thoughever.

>>715141720
Very gr8 argument
much wow
Lets try a little bit harder, shall we?

>>715141616
Nah, Ross would probably look at the 'jak version of himself and go
>Huh, that was weird...
then go back to be a mold colony that makes videos on adventure or puzzle games.

>>715141676
>I literally just want to enjoy my hobby and not be aware I'm being injected and brainwashed with neomarxist propaganda that has ruined countless lives and societies.
No, you want to consume to forget about your mindless cattle existence. If you truly cared about video games as a hobby you'd be the first one to complain about an injection of a religion/ideology that objectively ruins them. That's assuming you're not a jewish whore paid to post this shit.

>>715141786
Yeah lets, it's here >>715140440

>>715141616
you're doing a bad job of fitting in tourist

>>715140626
>this video game is le leftist so games le dead skg le communism
Kys mutt.

>>715141745
>>715141813
>ross
>ross
Stop talking as if some online personality(ies) knew you personally and he's a dear friend to you geg, he's just an online personality, at best you saw his bust up figure in front of a webcam and that's it

>>715141565
it also affects small businesses and entrepreneurs. if I decide at some point to make a game, I don't want the EU to be breathing down my neck the whole time.

>communism
>neomarxism
rightoids are so retarded it's unreal. Have another dose of methylene blue and chow down on your dog feed morons.

>>715141676
>my hobby is to consoom
You're a soijak. You came here via pisscord link, and you're doing what you're being told by some other fellow soijak. Even worse you probably have reddit and xitter account and share your opinion in there

>>715141870
God, how do you get paid to just put buzzwords into posts? Seriously, are yall paid per word? Is this the 1920's again?

Refute the core argument of the initiative, and not just deflect onto e-celebs, societal schisms, or DA JUDEN, and maybe we can discuss shit like adults.

Seriously though. Do you get like, 1.4 cents per post or something? Damn, that's pathetic

>>715142001
So what? Maybe have good business practices you cunt?

>>715141297
Fence sitters get the rope. Or they can pick a side to at least fight back before the rope.

>>715141565
there's nothing wrong with regulations, they're essential to a functional capitalist economy.
without them you get monopolies, which is the least capitalistic thing imaginable, a market without any competition.

>>715141914
>>715142009
>>715142059
>can't refute an argument that games are killed by being injected with neomarxism and digital copies having no ownership rights yet somehow these are not priorities in the "stop le killing games" movement
>asks you to refute his non existing argument
>samefags
kill yourself jewish whore

>>715142097
Youre not fighting back anything, you dont even rally on the street holding picksign and screamed on top of your lungs in front of ebil corporation (that you hate in your entire life because e celeb said so). What you did is to talk in mongolian genshin impact forum and spewing shit about muh political stuff and some other topic that you know nothing about before. Heck even a goddamn fag aftra actually do something in real life before being a silly little fag union right now

>muh jews
Lads who got "redpilled" post covid need to just shut up forever. Just puerile.

>>715142279
I will own my games and i will be happy.

>>715142218
And yet it's always the capitalists crying about the government overreach. Atleast the mutts do anyway. My country isn't so retarded.

>>715142326
>i will own my games
>as proven in my steam+epic account
Lel

>>715141816
>you want to consume to forget about your mindless cattle existence
i mean i can engage in politic or more profund discussion about such related ideas but what's the point of trying to put any effort into that when i already know you are just a agitprop who just wishes to turn it into a platform for your ideology and will always engage with dishonesty and then end up spamming "tranny nigger nigger hitler was jesus 2nd coming" up to sage?

>>715142009
>You came here via pisscord link
>>>>>implying he doesn't have his own clique server full of brown muttoids obsessed with astroturfing their ideas through any kind of platform they can devise
the lack of self-awareness of these meat drones is actually astoundishing, i mean, i could tell you to go and kill yourself but then you couldn't probably devise any real mechanism to actually do it because it's out your programming so it's not even worth my energy at this point

>>715141616
The Monarch of Mold does not concern himself with such things.

>>715142279
>you don't organize so you can't speak the truth
>>715142286
>uses terms like puerile
>is unaware of jewish conspiracies
>>715142438
>both sides, the defending against ideology and the pushing the ideology are the same
You're a samefagging jewish whore

>>715142001
As an indie game dev why would you not want someone to play your game after an arbitrary amount of time?

>>715142279
Also your jewish psychopathic masters first had to write the protocols of the elders of zion before they began organizing. Spreading knowledge is foundation of organization which is why jewish whores like you are paid to disrupt it.

>>715142568
Movement is defined by action, not conversation. What have your movement done so far aside from talking and debating in azerbaijan league of legend sticker collector forum?

>>715142568
I am aware of jewish conspiracies and that they are the originators for much of the ills of the modern world. However, in this case it's just standard gentile greed. Screeching jew over every little thing diffuses their true impact.

>>715141597
>Corps begin trying to undermine the initiative with false equivalency tactics, obfuscation of intended goals by the initiative, goalpost moving, active disinformation, and flooding with bad-faith actors to try and paint the initiative in a poor manner
I didn't pay attention because im not a Eurofag but now I am.
wait what? what's going on? what are they doing qrd on corpos shitting their pants tactics?

Behold, everybody, this is what the mind of yours turns into when you spend your developing years in the shithole of shitholes most known as "/pol/". Let this be a cautionary tale for your progeny and the progeny of your progeny, if you are eager to let your genes continue, obviously.

>>715125398
This anon hate OSHA

>>715142720
Who owns those corporations, "aware" guy? lmao
>>715142658
Conversation is action disingenuous faggot, before French revolution happened jewish whores were conspiring in freemasonry lodges, before communist revolution happened jewish whores were conspiring in illegal socialist parties in russia. So stfu with your 80 IQ subhuman

>>715142627
>literal schizo ramble
If I were da jooz, If -highlight this one- I were da jooz, the only thing that would be my main concern right now is something with iran or palestine war rather than debating with manchildren online over some fictional movement caused by some racing game slop that was deleted by some retarded french vidya company some years ago

>>715142759
>no argument
>look I screenshot his post omg it's so bad he should be so ashamed amirite
go back to instagram faggot lmao

>>715142627
>protocols of the elders of zion
that's a known forgery and you look like a clown for trying to suggest otherwise

>>715142872
My question is simple: what have your movement done so far aside from talking and talking in online forum? No need to be melty

>>715142890
>no argument
>jews are in israel only
stop posting, literally every post from you is factually wrong

>>715142937
>the exact plan jews implemented in europe was a fiction goyim
>>715142963
>please give me (you)

You're literally spamming, no argument? Not related to the thread? Then stfu

>>715132690
>Do you think that games should be able to get killed off by their owners
Why would I kill my own games?

>>715143025
The question is simple, just answer it, and like I said no need to be melty over it

>>715142972
What kind of argument that you think can be made from post like this?
>Also your jewish psychopathic masters first had to write the protocols of the elders of zion before they began organizing. Spreading knowledge is foundation of organization which is why jewish whores like you are paid to disrupt it.

>>715142438
>>>715142009
Sorry, meant this """""person"""""">>715142039

>>715124235 (OP)
Guys stop with the petition or else someone is going to get hit by a third puberty

>>715128345
The brand champions will do their part. Trust the Plan.

>>715143139
That I proved that conversations are necessary for organization and action like in the jewish revolutions. Famous jewish 115 IQ

I don’t get it, they just have to make their slop free to play and then boom your movement is now worthless.

>>715141616
>anons are now getting sentimental over a measly 4 years ago
I swear the average age on this board must be like 19 or something.

Accuse someone of being plebbitors on this site and his argument after being caught is always something like:
>b-but but you also have reddit! You also have pisscord! I-its not just me s.. stop saying something like that!
Kek pvre copivm

I support it solely because corporations hate it. As far as I am concerned I need no other reasons.

>>715143337
Free to play and with a post eos plan (dedicated servers).

>>715143324
>the argument to: "your not actually doing movement like rioting on the street' is something something with elders zion protocol and kike something
>somehow this is a proof that conversation is necessary for organization
Soundsaboutright

>>715142587
Because you need them to buy the game again by pretending that it’s a sequel. So you unplug their old game.

>>715142724
Simple silly shit. Like when the initiative had only 400k votes
>IT WILL NEVER GET 500K VOTES

And when it did >IT WILL NEVER GET 600K VOTES!

Then it was >IT WILL NEVER GET 800K VOTES! THIS MOVEMENT IS FINISHED!

Which inevitably moved to >IT'S ALL BOTS! YOU MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN 1 GORILLION VOTES BUT IT WONT MATTER SINCE IT'S BOTS ALL THE WAY DOWN!

Aaaaaand now that they've seen that it can't be "stopped" and using that tactic no longer is working to their benefit, but an active detriment...

>THIS IS JUST THE NEW GAYMANGATE. YOURE ALL TROLLS AND UNAPOLOGETIC MANCHILDREN. THINK OF THE DEVS! THEY WONT BE ABLE TO MAEK NEW GAEMS! JEWS! THE JEWS DID THIS! WE NEED THE JEETS TO RUN COUNTER-ATTACKS TO MAKE THIS INITIATIVE SEEM LESS LEGITIMATE!

And down the rabbithole we go. It's all deflect, ad homenim, goal-post moving, No-True-Scotsman arguments, and false equivalencies from here on out to try and control the public view on this whole matter.

>>715143664
Youre a redditor

>>715140894
>>715140440
>>715138789
>>715138557
>>715125398
>corpomasonic shills pretend to be turbo rightwing now
They are afraid. Good.
SKG is about protecting one of the basic human rights: private property.

>>715124235 (OP)
SKG is a reddit litmus test
if you are in favour of it you have slave mentality and reddit brain, probably won't pass the breakfast test nor have much of a concept of cause and effect

>715143025
>715142972
>715142627
>715142568
it's incredible how none of these posts have any other talking point outside of jews or whatever. I mean, at least you could try and study socratic mayeutic because it's just too fucking obvious you're just a generic pol drone with no human value, try and make it a little bit more subtle

>>715143838
>everything that oppose me is a corpo

>>715143537
>you're not rioting on the streets
>every succesful riot in history was first thoroughly discussed and organized
>hurr? Durr?

>>715144012
>no actual argument
>posts tits
>it's funny how the posts just talk about the truth that's related to the subjectt at large
>hon hon hon
In english it's called dialectics retard and you never read anything about it

>>715144060
>needing riots
>for vidya gaems

Why even do that when we can enact our will on our own?

Remember folks, anything that doesn't pertain to the discussion or furthering the initiative is pageantry. Plain and simple.

>It the JOOS/zionism/commies/woke fags/marxist sheep
>You're all entitled brats!
>Think of the Devs!
>You're harming the industry!
>nO nEw GaEmZ
>basic namecalling

It's all a distraction/deflection/disruption. Ignore it, and let the good times roll. Fuck the corps.

>>715144060
Oh, are you actually planning to riot in the street? Does this entire argument, discussion, debate whatever will actually leads to an actual riot or you will foreverly cower in internet forum and social media hiding behind the hashtags?

>>715143664
>They're painting this as some new form of gamergate
Alright that's pretty funny, trying to cross lines on a movement caused by some roastie cheating on her bf for reviews on her shitty game to a petition to stop games from not being preserved is a long one. I'm not a Eurofag as I stated but I hope you bros get that shit passed.

>>715144178
>In english it's called dialectics retard
I don't give a single fuck about how it's called in this mutt abomination of a language. As long as the point is understood it will be good enough for me
>you never read anything about it
>>implying you have actually read a single bit about it
if you did maybe you could have actually captivated me somehow about your talking points or spark a flame in me to start my journey to become a pol meat npc, just like you, but you can't even be bothered to do that are you? Maybe your people should start actually listening to their ideology and cull genetic deadends like you

>>715143664
Where are these votes that you're talking about, son? Its been a year since the topic of skg comes up in /v/ surely there are some... 1 gorillion votes right?

>>715136401
Interesting. I wonder how many other companies would try to distance themselves from that lobby group. I wonder who initiated the push. Was it Ubisoft?

>>715144428
Go find them yourself, I ain't spoonfeeding you

>>715136819
>they can make statements and actions without consulting the people they are representing without warning
This is extremely stupid especially when it comes to something like SKG. The reputational damage those videogame publishers/developers will accumulate due to the actions of that lobby group could be massive.

>>715138134
The thing is that what that lobby group is doing could be more damaging to some of the memebers than others. Ones that rely on good relations with consumers will have their reputation damaged. Ubisoft/EA for example are already hated so they don't care.

>>715143987
How about you cause and effect my nuts while your down there lil guy?

>>715143987
>if you are in favour of it you have slave mentality
>if you're in favor of owning your videogames you're a slave
Tha fuck?

>>715124235 (OP)
It would affect games that aren't live service but have online DRM

>>715144847
Freedom is slavery
Private property is communism

>>715124235 (OP)
the side that doesn't ever spend money on live service slop

>>715145040
don't forget that free will is jewish forgery

All this does it make games worse for gamers like me who don't pay a single cent for live service games. Whales (who are 5% of all players) are the ones that fund development for these games.
If SKG passes, it will mean there will be less patches, less innovative gameplay and less incentive to keep games like this going. I sure as hell aren't going to spend full price on a live service game.
>then don't play live service games then!
SKG doesn't apply to most games anyway.

all i know is the trannies at gamingcirclejerk support it so i don't

>>715145439
>there will be less patches, less innovative gameplay and less incentive to keep games like this going

>>715143987
I am for it because I hate live service games and indie games. I'm perfectly aware of what I'm doing.

>>715145480
B .. but gaymergate

>>715145612
Can you name an indie game which would be impacted?

lil bro when the huzz starts ghosting you that means it's over. you can't just make a law that she has to be online forever. it was just your turn. #keepkillinggames

>>715124235 (OP)
It's not about live service games, it's about all games. Publishers are putting always online DRM even on single player games these days.

>>715136401
They can leave or demand the lobbying group does a retraction. You don't get to say "it has nothing to do with me, I'm just funding them".

>>715124386
Good riddance. I remember most games I played 5-10 years ago had a server browser and tons of community servers. Good times. Good coop live service games like DRG are peer to peer anyways and the server is only for discovery. They could easily release that to the public.

>>715145439
It's not just limited to multiplayer titles and all that fearmongering is retarded.
Not killing a game isn't more expensive, because a game by default can live on. That's why all the old titles from 10, 20 and even 30 years ago are still playable today. You have to put in extra effort to block out gamers from the game they paid money for.

>>715145480
The trannies and gamingcirclejrk also breathe air. You should go breathe vacuum to spite them. Fag.

>>715145825
It's a fundamentally different world. Once you dropped a game on Atari or whatever that was it. But it's a digital world now. And "keeping a game live" is an "active" process. A company needs to have a server up "serving" that game for you to download and play it. Nintendo wouldn't still need to have Super Nintendo servers up til this day. Is that a reasonable ask? The companes brought it on themselves, anyway, I'd argue.

It'll be interesting.

>>715145969
WOULD need.

>>715145837
not really a political or lawmaking issue there faggot, but you talk like a redditor so it doesn't surprise me you use that kinda gotcha

>>715144847
nobody is "stealing" or "killing" your games because they unplugged the server

>>715146164
Thing is they did not ''just unplug the server'', why are you in this thread when you don't even know what started this? The Crew not only got it's servers killed but also got removed from peoples online libraries.

>>715124235 (OP)
Well that depends. Do you like owning stuff?

>>715144019
In this case, yes. There is literally nobody else who would benefit from SKG failing.

>>715146262
maybe you should read the petition reddit brain

>>715146560
I read it. Maybe you should read a bit more about what started the petition you dumb trannyfaggot. The Crew was completely removed from Uplay so anyone who bought the game on that platform completely lost everything connected to the game.

>>715146689
>game that is unplayable without a server
>just sitting there on your hard drive
I don't see a problem here

>>715124386
you disingenious skg losers pretended this wouldnt affect live service games at all... so which is it?

>>715146774
SKG retards flip flop constantly
>this isn't about IP law
>ummmm well actually if your game can't be patched to run without a server we DEMAND you give us your server code

>>715146948
All you had to do was keep your game playable or give people the tools to do so themselves you slimy jew.

>>715146948
That or go to prison.

>>715146164
they remove the game from your library and you can't play it anymore, even if you bought it phisically, they're stealing the thing you paid for

>>715124235 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY8NkWDrV6E

>>715147117
Stop asking for handouts. The company owes you nothing.

>>715147075
>>715147115
>JUST GIVE ME FREE THINGS OR GO TO JAIL
Do you guys even know who founded communism? Here's a hint: Jews!
>>715147117
It's on your hard drive retard

>>715147281
Jail it is.

>>715124828
Turns out guy in this picture is libertarian

>>715146948
>I haven't paid any attention and have only listened to grifters so that's why I'm confused!
You know you could just stop doing that and read the actual documentation, right? You know, reading? It's not some arcane skill buddy.

>>715147281
>JUST GIVE ME FREE THINGS
I already bought the game
>OR GO TO JAIL
Not my problem, don't break the law in pursuit of greed next time.

>>715147281
>FREE
i paid for a digital content license which is expected to last indefinitely in the EU
and no, being able to look at a main menu is not what i paid for

>>715142001
SKG basically doesn't affect indies at all
if you're an indie making a live-service game:
1. why
2. don't

>>715147368
Explain how I'm wrong without ad hominins. Spoiler alert: This is exactly what they demanded.
>>715147414
>ending an unprofitable service is... LE GREEDY I SIMPLY MUST PLAY LOLI BATTLE ROYALE WITH 1 (one) OTHER PERSON OTHERWISE YOU ARE VIOLATING MY CONSOOMER RIGHTS :( :( :( :(
>>715147436
You didn't read the EULA lol

>>715147549
You know you could actually read what you're trying to argue about online.

>>715125097
Nice try jason but you lost.

>>715147549
>I did no reading and just imagined some nonsense that I will now claim to be true! Prove me wrong!
Are you actually retarded? What the fuck am I reading?

>>715125097
oh yeah? well as a sheep i take the side my favorite streamer i have a parasocial relationship with told me to support, and hate whatever youtuber like Ross i am told to hate :)

>>715147629
>>715147603
Not an argument

>>715129724
I am also a government hating individualist libertarian and also support government staying the hell away from my straws, apple USB cables, steam refunds AND video games. We should be punished for not being born into generational wealth. That is my libertarian opinion

>>715147549
You think this is some negotiation. It's not.

>>715124235 (OP)
Reminder that every single person who doesn't approve this movement is a filthy corporate bootlicker or a jew.

>>715147281
>>JUST GIVE ME FREE THINGS OR GO TO JAIL
Yes.

>>715147770
Neither is anything you've said.

>>715147875
>thinking being a communist is based

>>715147786
Wow you're genuinely clinically retarded, congrats

>>715147921
Defending private ownership isn't communism.

>>715147770
>Y-you need to reply to my imaginary bullshit with arguments!
That's not how anything works, retardo. Arguments are used to refute arguments, for you to demand an argument you must first provide one.

>>715147959
>Anon in charge of not noticing excruciatingly obvious sarcasm

>>715147921
whatever benefits me personally is good

>>715148021
you didn't provide one in the first place you mouthbreathing retard, that was my point

>>715147281
game companies get hundreds of millions every year from the governments
for example ubisoft gets 500 million every year
and don't forget the tax cuts, they pay practically no taxes, while you pay 50%
why do you have no problem with that?

>>715148241
How come you haven't either?

>>715148103

>>715124235 (OP)
WE DID IT XDD
JUST LIKE IN THE AVENGERS

I honestly wonder if retards crying about SKG would also bitch and moan if steam refunds were announced today

>>715148103
>constant death threats and swatting him TWICE wasnt enough, SKGers are now memeing about torturing Thor
Look at the unhinged people this movement harbours, this is why you should stray away from it

>>715148296
>I can't read
>>715148409
The best offset of this reddit movement is that 1 million plus names will be publicly visible for us all to laugh at

>>715148409
>constant death threats
literally tens of thousands every single day. this is how you know Thor is in the right

>>715148241
>You haven't provided one
Why would I need to do that, anon? Weren't you the one trying to make a point? Making all those claims? Seriously how fucking stupid are you that you don't even seem to comprehend the most basic rhetorical structures, something even children will come to understand naturally.

Are you okay?

>>715148378
console players don't give a fuck about SKG

>owning things is communism
>government overreach is when you regulate corporations
>supporting a consumer right movement is reddit
>playing the gameyou've paid money for is literally stealing from the developer\
Any other gems from corposhill bottomless goldmine?

>>715147281
>free
Free? We are talking about the games we paid for you doubleniggerfaggottranny!!! Jesus how fucking retarded can you be?
>inb4 i'm not retarded i was just pretending trolololo
Yeah sure.

>>715148510
>I will laugh at... a name!
Ooookay?

>>715148409
>>715148510
>>715148513
Who cares that some faggot eceleb is being told to game end himself? Go back to r*ddit.

If you're a consumer, you have no reason to oppose it, it would only strengthen you in the unfair fight against corporations.

>>715148554
>console players don't give a fuck about SKG
Speak for yourself corposhill. We do care.

>>715148554
snoys are used to not owning games
>psp and ps3 store closed so no digital games you bought online

>>715148557
The simple fact libertarians will never grasp is that if you have no government to regulate corporations, then corporations ARE your government, and elections become a farce.

Hmmm.

i agree games should come with private server support, but i dont expect it from greedy corpos. and it really doesn't effect me because i dont invest into live service slop. i might play through them to play through the campaign and just move on to the next game.

>>715124235 (OP)
>slop
shut the fuck you you retard and fuck off calling everything "slop", I'm so fucking sick of this word

>>715148552
>why would I need to prove my point? I don't need to prove why you were wrong
this is why SKG supporters are genuine retards

>>715148652
>It doesn't affect me because I ignore the problem

>>715148680
stay mad faggot

>>715148510
>admits he can't read

>>715146774
>>715146948
>>715147549
>>715147770
>>715148241
>>715148510
Jason, get off of 4chan right now, you lost take the L and move on.

>>715148746
I read your mothers thoughts when I fucked her last night
she was thinking about how much of a failure you are

>>715148746
>>admits he can't read
>>715148761
>just take the L

>SKG LOSERS!!!
>I AM NEVER WRONG!!!
>I WORKED FOR BLIZZARD!!!!

>>715148792
>>715148840
>illiterates seething

>>715148720
im not ignoring it. im saying its not my problem because i dont care about those types of games. shit intention when designing creates shit games from the get go.

this "movement" will die out as a wet fard once it hits the eu commission

>>715141616
>grifter
go back

>>715149027
its already dead
it had 100k sigatures a day, now its 10k

>>715148378
Unironically kill yourself faggot

>corporations should have all the power and all the rights
>consumers should have no rights
Wait, i thought that Cyberpunk 2077 was just a videogame.

If this goes through and works as intended, how will it affect closed ecosystems like Nintendo? Will they have to keep servers up forever, or just give players the ability to somehow host their own in Nintendo's ecosystem?

>>715148378
Yaaasss

>>715148962
>it's not my problem!!!
Thanks for contributing to cancer like this still existing.

>>715124235 (OP)
>Soulless corporations and planned obsolescence
>Consumer rights but also servants of the antichrist
This is probably going to suck over way or another

>>715149053
I signed almost an year ago. What more do you want from me? I can sign the initiative only once. I've told all my frieds that game to sign already. There aren't that many gamers around me to share this initiative with. No way i am telling my relatives about this since they don't even know that i still play videogames. Videogames as a hobby are looked down upon where i live especially when you're older like me, even my girlfriend doesn't know that i play videogames.

>>715149218
Is there even any nintendo games that would fall under skg demands?

>>715149218
Or they will simply have to patch games to be playable in singleplayer.

>>715149218
this shit would kill most of the industry. if you think the state of it is bad now, just wait and see what happens if the eu is actually stupid enough to implement this disastrous policy.

>>715149339
No idea. I don't play Nintendo games.

>>715148378
>moistcritkal
>guy who said kids should be able to transition and hack their nuts off
>pooda
>guy whos into fucked up murder porn, also a stinky indian
>jewdiepie
>dont know who the other literal who neckbeards are
see this is why you people can never organize
everything you try like gamergate is dead in the water and it never fails

>>715149410
You're retarded. This will kill no one.

>>715149414
I don't either which is why I was asking.

>>715149310
contributing how. i said i dont buy these types of games. what do you want me to do? do a terror?

>>715149410
>this shit would kill most of the industry
signing the fuck up, say no more

>>715149410
I bet you'd cry in the same way about steam refunds or GoG selling drm free games. Or EU announcing that people are allowed to sell their software licences they're not using anymore and the corporations can do nothing to prevent this.

>>715149425
>see this is why you people can never organize
>you people
whoops

>>715149538
Contribute by talling your EU friends to sign the initiative, contribute by properly explaining the videogame publishers overreach and predatory business practices. Contribute by support DRM free platforms like GOG. Contribute by not being a trannyfaggot.

>>715149410
>what do you mean we need to implement cheap roaming calls within EU and not gouge our customers outta the ass?! this will kill most of the telecom industry!!
about that

>>715149410
>this shit would kill Nintendo and most western game companies
If only.

Thor could literally hack every single one of you and ruin your lives completely, yet he chooses not to, even though he's showered with death threats and murder attempts. That tells me all i need to know about his character.

>>715148716
>I won't prove my point at all, but you do need to prove your point before I bother to prove mine!
Anon. You're not pretending. You're actually retarded.

>>715149645

>>715149218
The same as for PC games expect Nintendo has to provide the patch probably. Not really a problem since their community are the first to mod the shit out of their systems so they could just grab a project, say "uh, you wanna keep playing Splatoon 1 in 2035 for some reason? here just download BingBong69's Splatoon 1 mod for private servers and fuck off"

>>715148962
As if it's not only a matter of time before this shit spreads to single player games if the publishers are allowed to do as they please.

>>715124627
>word salad
My guy, are you having a stroke or just retarded?

>>715149752
Trvke. Dont you guys forget hes a hacker who hacked power stations, won a ctf and even had something he did stolen by mr. Robot
Thor could pwn you whenever he wants

>>715149795
Prove why I'm wrong
You can't because you like to take the arrogant position of "I don't need to because you're wrong"

>>715150124
>Prove why I'm wrong!
Anon, you're repeating statements that were already refuted. Are you genuinely so mindbroken that actually processing new information is impossible?

You. Need. To. Argue. Something. Before. It. Can. Be. Refuted. You. Dumb. Fuck.

>>715150170
But I did make an argument and you refused to argue against it and didn't prove why I'm wrong
prove why I'm wrong, simple question. You. can't.answer.it

>>715150170
you didnt refute anything, retard.
you are a disingenuous lying retard

>>715150124
I'll give it a go. You are wrong because you are a retarded nigger. This makes you wrong by default in everything you say. If you say that the sky is blue, it will spontaneously change to yellow to prevent the simulation from collapsing from the impact of you saying something that isn't fucking retarded.

>>715124386
No there won't be. You're taking the enemies fallacious argument of: "It stops us from making the games we want" and taking it at face value because you think it would be cool if there were fewer of these games.
>>715124235 (OP)
You should side with Stop Killing Games. Not only because Live service =/= bad. (Some games that require online to work Helldivers 2, Darktide, Warframe, Path of Exile / diablo, any MMO you like). But also: With SKG:
>If you hate these games
You can just not play them
>If you like these games
You can not play them
Without SKG:
>You can not play them
For both. So obviously, even if you think Helldivers is hot trash, isn't it objectively better that *if* someone wants to play it after the publisher stops caring, they *can* if they want to? Even for the worst fucking trash like concord, is it truly a good thing that no one can play it, ever again? And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that we need to save the underrated gem "concord" the game is hot trash. But if some day you want to get the gang together and be like: "Hey let's get fucked up and do a shit video game night, fucking lets play concord!" that SHOULD be a possibility, if you paid for the fucker.

Otherwise you are just arguing that a studio should be allowed to remove your game from your library remotely.

>>715150228
>I did make an argument
No. You imagined up some bullshit that has nothing to do with what the movement has actually said. That's not an argument anon.
>>715150339
>Y-you didn't refute anything
Correct, as there was nothing to refute in the first place retard.

>>715142039
Herro, this is /v/

>>715150413
none of what you just said is true though. if skg passes most of those games will be functionally impossible to operate.

>>715150413
>just look the other way anon, ignore all these bad industry practices
>just don't pay for more luggage
>just don't buy asbestos products
>just get a different carrier if this one's too expensive
i could go on, but why bother? you're a corpo rat, nothing more

>>715150712
>just don'tbother with corpo rat anon

>>715150556
>No. You imagined up some bullshit
>you're wrong because I said so
This is why people call you disingenuous and a liar because you're unable to descend from a place of absolute arrogance and cannot even refrain from ad hominems

>>715150601
>most of those games will be functionally impossible to operate
This is a stupid lie.

>>715124235 (OP)
>who's side do I take in this?
you should sign it if you qualify, or at least promote it
having more rights is always good. don't let corporations take things away from you. if they could, they'd charge you for the air you breathe

>>715150807
>if they could, they'd charge you for the air you breathe

>>715150807
>if they could, they'd charge you for the air you breathe
but enough about nestle

>>715128846
Because this time it could benefit the people instead of the corpos and that's a big no-no

>>715150747
By all means, anon. Prove that what you said is actually related to anything to do with SKG, and not just your own imagination.
>Y-you are a liar
>B-because of arrogance and ad hominems!
It's not so much lacking self awareness, as it is lacking intelligent thought entirely.

>>715150839
Is it really that farfetched and impossible to believe?

>>715148409
>stream 24/7
>swatted TWICE
>none of it caught on stream
Damn

>>715151053
Just because one literally who said it doesn't mean everyone wants your money you conspiracy theorist

the issue with this entire fiasco stems from the misunderstanding that corporations are inherently bad. corporations lead innovations and have improved the world massively since forever. the government on the other hand is what is truly evil and it is trying to destroy freedom. this must just not be allowed.

>>715151153
Your nose is showing.

>>715151037
I explained perfectly well how it's related to SKG. I'm still waiting on your refutation

>>715143987
>If you are opposing it you have slave mentality and reddit brain, probably won't pass the breakfast test nor have much of a concept of cause and effect
Fix'd for you

>>715151153
>the misunderstanding that corporations are inherently bad
No, normal people understand that they are.

>>715151153
>improved the world massively since forever.
name one thing Ubisoft, Activision Blizzard and EA did that made the world a better place

>>715151241
>created the blueprint for modern MMOs
>made some cool games

>>715151189
>I explained
Anon. Proof, you dumb motherfucker, I didn't ask for you to explain your imagination with more imagination, how the fuck are you incapable of understanding something so basic?

>>715151117
>CEO of nestle
>literally who
Bait used to be believable.

>>715151301
Still waiting for your refutation, still proving you can't answer a simple question.

>>715151275
>created the blueprint for modern MMOs
>made the world a better place
oof
>made some cool games
Ok i give you that

>>715142759
new here?

>>715145969
Nah, just make them offline or hand down server binaries to the community when you're done.

>>715151383
>Y-you need to refute my imagination that I can't prove but I can explain with more imaginary bullshit
You talked in circles for almost an hour to get right back to where you started "please refute my imagination".

No, anon, that's not how anything works. I'll gladly keep laughing at your dumbassery if you wish to continue, so feel free to keep begging for a "refutation" that isn't coming because there isn't anything to refute in the first place.

>>715146164
They say they don't but they do

>>715145969
>Nintendo couldn't possibly keep a live service game playable after EoS!!
dumbass

>>715146763
>flip the switch
>game is playable offline
Yes, it is that simple

>you will own nothing and you will be happy

>>715147158
they owe me the product i bought
now fuck off faggot

>>715151842
You're asking for a handout. Show me in the consitution where paying money entitles you to a product. I'll wait.

>>715146763
If you buy a book and it's blank, if you watch a movie in the cinema and there's nothing on screen, if you buy an album and there are no songs, are any of those wrong?
Yes, you "technically" got access to them, but if you can't experience it like it was supposed to you can at worst sue. Why are games different? The people who bought The Crew cannot play it even if the game is on their harddrive

>>715148409
Imma stray away from the gay furfag instead, hoss

>>715147702
k

Lets be honest, Thor will win in the end.
Like he said, SKG will get all it asked for, but nothing it wanted.

>>715151815
now youre just cherrypicking

>>715149092
We've been living in a cyberpunk dystopia for a while now, including VITAS and the Euro Wars.

>>715124235 (OP)
Maybe read about it and think for yourself for once zoom zoom

>>715151996
If it kills GaaS that would make the space healthier. We'll lose the ten bajillion copycats when the next Fortnite/Overwatch/CoD appears and makes billions

>>715151815
i'm kinda happy that i never bought any ubisoft game

>>715151509
>>Y-you need to refute my imagination
You need to prove why it's imaginary, anon
Blanketly stating "you're wrong" is not how you refute something
still waiting

>>715152005
>now youre just cherrypicking
Cherrypicking?

>>715149339
Xenoblade X?

>>715151915
>but if you can't experience it like it was supposed to you
You can't "experience it like it was supposed to" if it's a dead game that has nobody playing it

>>715152120
Sadly i bought a couple of games from them a few years back. Never again.

>>715152239
the crew was entirely singleplayer
next line, jeet

>>715150601
This is wrong. If SKG passes none of the games I mentioned will be affected at all. But lets be charitable and assume you meant "games like that" It is still untrue. There is NOTHING in SKG that stops a studio from making an always online live service game. They just need to ensure that they, from the start. Have an "end of service" plan. Meaning: Just before they close forever, they need to deploy one last small patch that switches it to be playable either offline, or via custom servers. World of Warcraft for instance (if it was affected which it is not) can literally just bring back the .txt file where you put in which server the game connects to.
>>715150712
Are.. are you retarded? How am I the fucking corpo rat for... NOT wanting corpos to have full power to decide when they can remote disable your fucking game? Are you high? You must be white to post here, fucking retard.

>>715152315
>the crew was entirely singleplayer
no it wasn't you fucking tard

>>715152239
It had singleplayer, so part of the inteded experience is the singleplayer mode and that's blocked.

>>715152239
The Crew had singleplayer.

>>715151996
>SKG will get gamers servers' data to run it locally once devs stop supporting them.
>Thor: "See, i told you you won't get lifetime support for your mmorpg.s"
>Thor:"btw, i work at Blizzard."

>>715152453
Also in most GaaS playing alongside or versus people is optional, like WoW, Warframe, Destiny or FF14. When those games close their servers the problem is still there

>>715151117
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
is this the legendary babel media shilling? fucking hell i feel bad for whoever spent money on this

>>715152595
I really hope Warframe is preserved in case it one day closes. I have 2000 hours in that game and would love the world of that game preserved with either dedicated private servers or a singleplayer conversion. There are online games worth preserving for future generations.

Reminder that The Crew CHADS won, the second game will have a fully offline mode

>>715152748
Now let's make sure that SKG also wins so this becomes law and every videogame is forced to comply BY LAW!

>>715124235 (OP)
What I'm telling you is that if we don't win, there won't be non-live service slop games to go back to.

>>715152743
Same. It'd be cool for FF14 to survive too, I heard nothing but good stuff and it'd be neat to play it at my own pace offline without the subscription method.

>>715149410
they have to do it
they have to adapt
the time has come
they have the money
they have to rehire people they've laid off
and they have to make it work
Ross demands it
Tick. Tock

>>715147281
>It's on your hard drive
are you legit that retarded? SKG is about games that require constant internet connection to play, even single player ones, it doesn't matter what files you have on your hard drive if you don't have an account to coonect to and verify the DRM. You have to be legit retarded to not want a law that forces companies to let you continue playing the games you paid for.

>>715153014
The company owns the game and can do whatever they want with it. You should be grateful for the service they provided.

>>715149410
>would kill most of the industry
I wish, unfortunatly it'll just mean the greedy multibillion companies that make shit games with DRM walls and that don't even let you own the games you buy, will be forced to be a little less greedy and allow people to actually preserve, archive and continue playing their games even after "support" ends.

>>715152848
>What I'm telling you is that if we don't win, there won't be non-live service slop games to go back to.
This is what most people seem to be incapable of understanding. If developers and publishers have it their way, then 9/10 games in the future will be online-only and/or live service to prevent pirating/modding/reverse engineering/etc.

SKG might not seem like it's that important now, but it will be super fucking important for the future of vidya.

>>715153237
>you'll own nothing and be happy

>>715124627
>a couple years
bro it's a video game, if you get 10 hours enjoyment count that a success. whats with you retards wanting to spend your life playing a video game?

>do i take my side
>or my opponents side
what

>>715153268
Not only vidya. I think that this might lead to more consumer protection in a broader scope that would cover all digital goods.

>>715124235 (OP)
If you think this was about only live services, you got it wrong already.
It's about not taking away the license, so every game.
Sign it. It takes 1 minute, unironically, or even less if you have an eID.

>>715153364
imagine paying for a software, like photoshop, and actually owning the files and being able to use it without an account, a internet connection or having to pay a shitty subscription to let them "lease" the software to you, revolutionary, I wonder how they did it in the past.

>>715153364
Finally someone that gets it!

>>715153237
Nuh-uh

>>715153364
isn't this already slowly happening with new cars having stuff like park assist or seat heat locked behind subscription? I heard Mercedes had Sport mode on trial mode and after a while you needed to pay a sub?

>>715124386
Correction; There will be less BAD live service games
The ones I play would still be fine because they have enough money to keep going for a long, long time.

>>715153338
Sir, this is /v/

>>715153602
>>715153309

>>715152870
in its current state it would be better off dead
its legitimately a non game nowadays
maybe if they preserved a 4.5x version at the latest, with the cutscenes from the 5.0~6.1 story, it would be worth something, but the gameplay of 5.0 onwards and the story of 6.2 onwards is legitimately less worthy of preservation than 1.0 is

>>715153629
i don't understand, bad and live service go together... a live service game not being bad is like a MMORPG not being multiplayer (maybe like ff14 and the MSQ)

>>715151996
Thor doesn't know what SKG asks for nor what it wants.

>>715125398
I love how Americans have been beaten down so bad by their corporations that they can only view government regulation in purely black or white terms. It's actually pathetic

>>715152935
Based

>>715153629
and after they stop being able to keep going, they'll be supported by the community and you'd still be able to play them if you wanted to.

I came here to say that libertarians are retarded and corporations should be on short leashes.
Also Stop Killing Games is not just about video games, you retards, it is about software in general. That is the way corporations and their bootlickers look at it.
Because what it is effectively setting up is the idea that what you purchase as software is just a license for use if people continue to push AND it's an easy jump from Live Service games to Software as A Service subscriptions everywhere else AND buying digital music and movies and other media too.
What it is essentially saying, at the base of it, is that you get to own and keep the use of the software you purchase.

Do you understand now? Do you see why corporations and their dogs would be so fucking scared of this succeeding even the tiniest bit?

>>715153014
>You have to be legit retarded to not want a law
Yes, I don't want more laws because I have personal responsibility
slave communist mentality right there.

>>715153848
Enjoy your corn syrup in every meal and super AIDS in all medication.

>>715153710
he's making a live service game and made a publishing company that released live service games, while also having worked and having connections at blizzard, he obviously has all the reasons to mud the waters and shit on SKG as much as possible.

>>715153776
libertarianism falsely assumes a ton of shit
>market failure is not real period (freerider problem? tragedy of the anticommons? spurious fabrications)
>people are rational (the existence of FOMO disproves this)
>the price of goods is determined by what people pay (some retard bought a comic for $1 million? then that's its real price!)
>asymmetric markets don't exist. people always know what works in their best interest (we wouldn't need accountants, lawyers, consultants, doctors, etc. if this was the case)
>externalities are not real (water table pollution? it's just your imagination)
>people are honest and will never argue in bad faith (important for determining wrongdoing and dispute resolution. in reality people will play the victim and deny any wrongdoing regardless of the facts)
>people exploiting a limited resource will exercise self-restraint and hold off from squeezing every last drop out of it (another lie. see tragedy of the commons. also, lowlife scum like scalpers)
>cronyism and collusion aren't real
>monopolies, oligopolies, monopsonies, don't exist
>they believe in the power of voting with your wallet while at the same time preaching that companies are free to do whatever they want
lolbertarianism is as utopic as communism. all it takes is one bad apple and the system comes crashing down

>>715137878
The customer is always retarded. ALWAYS

>>715153848
Buddy, that law will regulate companies, not you.

>>715153776
>Because what it is effectively setting up is the idea that what you purchase as software is just a license
Should be "isn't just a license"

God damned phone.

>>715153753
>have the highest wages in the world with the best access to high quality healthcare, cheap food and cheap housing
>those damn americans are all bootlikers! We poor europeans are better than them! Better for me to pay for Muhammad to rape my kids than be an American!

>>715153952
but I love companies and they are my friend and they should be free to do what they want

>>715153913
Libertarianism is anarchy for autistic people.

>>715153952
Burgers worship corporations, so he feels it affects him personally.

>>715124235 (OP)
If you need online basket weaving forum's help to make up your mind, you should never vote on anything

>>715153848
You're just an useful idiot. Imagine if we had anarchism. Then I want to see you, and your "personal responsibility".

Also
>owning is communism
Totally braindead...

>>715124235 (OP)
how about the side that let's you own stuff?

>>715153952
Implying I won't make a live service game in my life or indies will
see, this is the communist mentality because you assume corporations aren't comprised of individuals

>>715152367
just rewrite their entire game architecture as a small patch.. seems very doable indeed!!

>>715153913
Yep, i was libertarian when I was 15, then I grew up and realized its just a fairytale for gullible people

>>715153927
And yet every free market theory relies on the customers making the best choices thus better products, curious.

>>715154036
if we had anarchism every problem in the modern world would be gone, to object to that is to be the ultimate bootlicker

>>715154049
Start from pong

>>715154105
Confirmed useful idiot.

>>715153993
>>have the highest wages in the world with the best access to high quality healthcare, cheap food and cheap housing
Something like 60-70% of your population is one $500 emergency bill away from financial bankruptcy.

>>715154019
Yeah, embarrassed millionaires and such

>>715153993
>have the highest wages in the world with the best access to high quality healthcare, cheap food and cheap housing
You're joking, right? At some point Polish people were earning more than burgers.

>>715153957
It isn't, but only the rich and powerful can defend their right to ownership in court when corporations try and mess with them in the absence of narrow and stringent legislation. In reality, you in fact do own a perpetual digital license when you buy software, in America and Europe both. It's just that companies have gotten so used to remaining unpunished whenever they fuck people over that they have no fear acting against the law all the time and people are extremely uneducated about the legal framework surrounding their rights. But even if they were educated, once again, only someone rich could start suing a megacorporation for being screwed over by it and most people haven't got that kind of money or influence. That is how big businesses eroded personal liberties throughout decades and instilled belief in people about being unassailable. By acting brazen and intimidating their would be opposition before any can even be mounted.

>>715154049
If a indie shitter ever thinks about making live service shit, he deserves to fail. Already saw tons of indie shitters either go bankrupt after trying to make online-only shit or having to cave in and add singleplayer.

>>715154049
>implying you should be able to make the game you sold unplayable just because you want to be indie dev
the law is made specifically for people like you

>>715153993
Buddy, it's not 1950s anymore

>>715154053
>seems very doable indeed!!
Maybe they could go back to just making games that inherently had support for LAN, offline play, dedicated servers, map making tools, modding tools, etc. from the beginning, like it was back in the day.

Or do you truly believe that all of that is somehow a "lost art" and that it isn't just devs/publishers who intentionally don't want to provide those things because they want to retain as much control as possible?

>>715154268
Preach brother

>>715154163
Someone's been reading some leftist journals
>>715154183
Poland was a poor country until only recently
>>715154250
>only corporations should be allowed to make live service games and I will vote for legislation that prices them out of the competition
bootlicker mentality, amazing irony right there
>>715154141
For whom, exactly? You don't understand anarchism

>>715154268
They actually removed lan option from Warcraft 3 reforged. This degradation is intentional, it is not a result of technical limitations or IP complications of some kind.

>>715136401
>Dude we're part of a lobbying group but we didn't expect them to, like, lobby on our behalf

>>715152809
that would be incredibly damaging and unwise

>>715154486
>They actually removed lan option from Warcraft 3 reforged
damn imagine removing part of a game's sovl

>>715154675
You skiggers just want to play games for free

>>715125007
>holy fuck am i still waiting to hear an example where i would use it
Unironically Call of Duty.
Modders on PC already modded a server browser into several old COD games but their projects were shut down by Craptivision.
The old CODs have still been left online but on PC they're a shitshow. You can get pwned by simply playing them, there's no crossplay so they're dead, and they're still priced at $20 or more for some reason.
IW4x was far more populated than base MW2 and also far more secure due to the community. Cheaters were banned on a case by case basis in private servers and not left to roam.
That's honestly my only fear about the aftermath of SKG. Companies like Activision will just leave the servers online even if they're fucked beyond being playable, but if thats the cost of fucking over companies then that's fine by me.

>>715154728
I bought the fucking game you retarded nigger monkey.

>>715154728
this is just poor bait.
stop shitting up the thread with fake replies

>>715154053
Why re-write? This is for future games. The games have to be made with this need in mind. That's the entire point, nobody has to re-write anything.
It's not: "All cars ever made need to have seatbelts now" it's "all cars made from this point on need seatbelts".

>>715154946
YOU BOUGHT A LICENSE! YOU DON'T OWN THE GAME!

>>715154728
Yes.

>>715154771
Activision wouldn't have to keep the servers online themselves with SKG. Instead they would have to provide a way to use private servers when they drop the game and wouldn't be legally allowed to go after private servers at all or risk getting sued themselves.

>>715155135
>skiggers admit they're nothing but pirates putting on a facade
I knew it

>>715155326
What are you gonna do about it, Rajesh? Gonna cry to your masters?

>>715155326
Nice false flag. I personally buy the games i like. On GOG.

>>715155179
The problem is that Activision can just claim that they haven't dropped the game yet and leave it unplayable out of spite. Activision could so easily make one COD game that lasts for years rather than 3 different ones too, as they have done in the past with COD Online in China, but they choose to milk their players like this and leaving them unplayable is 100% an intentional decision to maximize profit.
If someone were to go after Activision for that after this, it would probably be much easier to do so, true, and I seriously hope that happens.

If a game is no longer being sold, what is wrong with getting it for free?
I know this falls out of the purview of SKG, but this nigger keeps going on and on about free shit.

>>715142001
If you decide to make an online only game that only runs on your own servers, you not only deserve the EU to be breathing down your neck, you deserve a beatdown by every morally upstanding human on this planet.

>this is where all the Italian signatures went instead
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/initiatives/details/2024/000009_en
fucking pastaniggers

>>715155846
That's not a horrible initiative either. You probably do want to know where your food is coming from, so they can't sell you irradiated shit from china.
Dismal signatures from everywhere but italy.

>>715154728
No, I want to keep playing what I paid for. If yoy can make player-hosted Unreal Tournament servers to this day, why can't this be with every multiplayer game?

imagine paying for video games. couldn't be me.

>>715155846
Did you know you can sign multiple initatives at once?
I just signed this one, too.

>>715155826
>If you decide to make an online only game that only runs on your own servers
you mean like most games anon

>>715124235 (OP)
the side of nortubel

>>715156229
*live service games.
A good percentage of multiplayer games allow server hosting and keeping your data on your pc.

>>715154728
>>715155476

>>715124235 (OP)
That depends. Are you a consumer, or are you a gaming company executive or shareholder?

>>715156293
i disagree since most of those games are also on console and they require a verification server even if they are P2P
Even Steam itself can be considered a "live service" since it enforces a kind of DRM

>>715155846
The EU should be so fucking proud of SKG. Before this, nobody under the age of 50 gave a shit about EU initiatives and most probably forgot they even existed, as proven by this very important issue about authentic food only getting only 675K signatures, about half of what SKG has currently.

Hopefully some of the people that voted in this go on to vote for other important issues too like this. I don't live in the EU but this should really demonstrate to the youth that they have to vote for the issues they care about. Things like this should've already been considered by gov. Hopefully they realize that getting more people to help them do their job is a good thing, maybe I'm just being naive though.

I don't even care that much about live service or multiplayer (though it would be nice if true multi-player games had community servers like they did for 20 years). It's only really an annoyance for me when it's nominally single player games with the most trivial, and often pointless, add online content or always online requirements and then that kills the game.

>>715156601
Unfortunately this is the kind of shit that passed the signatures threshold.
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/initiatives/details/2024/000001_en
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/initiatives/details/2024/000004_en

>>715145439
>how do you do fellow gaymers

Day 32 of asking /v/ what "playable state" means.

>>715145439
>if SKG passes then live service games will die
Good.

>>715156601
>The EU should be so fucking proud of SKG. Before this, nobody under the age of 50 gave a shit about EU initiatives and most probably forgot they even existed, as proven by this very important issue about authentic food only getting only 675K signatures, about half of what SKG has currently.
this but unironically, if politicians are smart they will think about this initiative very carefully and its implications

>>715156884
Depends on the game.

>>715156884
You see that mountain? You can climb it! Even when support ends!

Which grifter do you side with bros?

>>715124386
That's what people keep saying but do you realize how easy it is to make these games f2p and stuff them with micro transactions? SKG does *NOTHING* for these games.

>>715156983
Yes it does

>>715154728
>for free
We bougth it, hyper-retard.

>>715147549
enjoy jail

>>715124235 (OP)
If a game doesn't let you play while offline or doesn't have an actual ending, it's not a game

>>715147549
>>ending an unprofitable service is... LE GREEDY I SIMPLY MUST PLAY LOLI BATTLE ROYALE WITH 1 (one) OTHER PERSON OTHERWISE YOU ARE VIOLATING MY CONSOOMER RIGHTS :( :( :(
Yeah, exactly! Even more, in 20 years I'll show the game to my kids and we'll still be able to play it together!

>>715155698
Even if its virtually abandonware, the company is still holding the copyright and thus downloading it is still piracy and they can go after you, like how nintendo violently targets emulators.
And you can never know if they plan to make it available again, as EA for example did by releasing sims 2 legacy.

>>715157693
Yeah but that sucks having something be in perpetual IP limbo when it is a digitized format that can infinitely be replicated.

>>715157693
>not sold
Nah, downloading is ok, let them hold their rights to IP but they can't call it stealing

>>715156884
You can still play Unreal Tournament decades later.

when this initiative fails i will laugh at skg communists. no place for them in polite society.

>>715157693
>and they can go after you
No court will actually do anything to a person that pirates a game that is not available for purchase in any form. Except maybe some turbo jewish amerimutt judge.

>>715158150
>when
heh

>>715158121
WHAT?! WE NEED TO INFORM BIG CORPO SO THEY CAN KILL IT!

>>715158207
good always wins, which means communism will fail and capitalism will win.

>>715150413
>“Stop Killing Games” should really be called “Kill FOTM Liveslop”
Sounds good to me. Force whales to start playing real games or make them fuck off to real casinos if they’re so desperate to burn their money.

>>715158121
Impossible, this would cost TRILLIONS and is not viable

>>715146774
what a shame

>>715158265
>capitalism
>good
lole

Wait I thought it doesn't really affect live service games...

>>715157626
So Tetris isn’t a real game?

>>715158265
that's so last century, neo-imperialism will defeat globalism

>>715124235 (OP)
>who's side do I take in this?
If you think games are an art, side with SKG
If you don't think games are an art, do whatever.

You will see no actual impact of SKG, The Crew is already getting an offline patch after public requests and no one is going to miss Azur Lane or other shitty gachas when it finally shuts down.
Initially I sided with SKG just to spite Thor, but the grifters coming out of the woods to harvest him have already turned SKG into another Gamer Gate, and it's going to be a guaranteed failure.
Pick a side, or abstain like I am, but don't put any effort into it. Just spectate the shitshow when it crash and burns.

>>715156906
>if politicians are smart they will think about this initiative very carefully and its implications
Issue is most European politicians are dinosaurs who look at the world like it’s still the 60s or 80s and barely understand what vidja games are
You’d think this would stop being a thing over time, but a lot of them are probably going to stick around for at least 15-20 more years before they go on permanent retirement
We’d be really lucky if they actually give a shit even though it’s in their best interest to do so

>>715124235 (OP)
There is zero reason to care about SKG's enemies arguments. Period.

>>715137461
>Dev gets lazy and uses Ai generated names for his villains.

>>715124235 (OP)
How about listening to what a struggling indie developer has to say about it?
https://youtu.be/6HHNFEXuCy0

>>715159036
Compared to American politicians European ones are young and spry.

>>715124828
Finally found it myself in the archives

All I know is that Pirate Software will not be feeling very good by the end of this

>>715159014
>turned SKG into another Gamer Gate
how?

>>715161859
if only he had just

>>715161929

>>715137461
>KundraTITZ

>>715140440
>reddit spacing

>>715153993
>high quality healthcare
>cheap housing
This has to be bait.

Nothing to say on the cheap food tho. It doesn't mean it's high quality anyway.

>>715151996
>Thor
Isn't his name Jason?

>>715161929
>No organization, leadership, or cohesion
>No lobby has already been contracted yet for the commission
>Media already made it into a culture war
>Grifters are already coming out to milk Thor dry like Zoe Quinn
We did warn the supporters this was going to happen, but they're not smart and the corpos are already outmaneuvering them as per.
The writing is already on the walls. It's going to disintegrate. That's why I say don't put any effort into the cause if you support it.

>>715147786
I'm so glad you guys only speak up about your beliefs when some action benefits the consumer like you.

>>715124235 (OP)
>companies are givenn inches and take miles from pro-consumer rights and practices
>number of single player offline game projects reduced in favor for live service titles (Middle Earth: Shadows of War for example)
>whatever they can get away with they run with
>these practices affect games that dont need such bells and whistles (like any EA/2K sports game having slot machines)
So pushing back on AAA company bullshit affects how every game is made, it affects the trend of game devving. Plus, it won't kill off online live service games, but if they can't just pull the plug on them anymore to take the money and run, companies might think twice on making a live arrvice game and instead do an offline true singleplayer title, giving you more of what you like in the long run.

>>715163005
^this

>>715162751
lmao
The hate and harassment of Zoe Quinn was predominantly from rightwing chunts whereas the Pirate hate is universal

>>715162790
Would they have convicted beliefs about when something doesn't affect them? How genuine or serious would you take them if they did? I certainly don't respect many Palestinian supporters for their antics because they don't understand the cause they believe they're supporting.

>>715163108
Sure but only because leftist activists saw no problem with a woman paying off reviews because they tunnel visioned on her being sexually liberated and missed the point of crooked journalism.

>>715146948
>server code
there is no need for server code
just create tool for dedicated servers like games used to have and thats it

>>715163506
Palworld came out in 2024 and has this

>>715163564
yeah because Palworld is a good game

>>715163506
This is literally lost tech anon! Only the ancient devs knew the secrets of dedicated servers!

>>715146948
>the people who mischaracterize SKG, intentionally or not, say its about something different than the movement, its documentation, and supporters say
Fify

>>715163506
Also this wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue if games weren't allergic to adhoc connections like they used to do. TF2 for example was the perfect game that showed how smooth going adhoc is.

>>715163681
you joke but that's actually the case
devs nowdays are jeets and retards that dont know how to code

>>715147549
>ending an unprofitable service is... LE GREEDY
correct.

>>715163304
>Would they have convicted beliefs about when something doesn't affect them
Nah they would just be silent while corpos fuck them over and speak up when something benefits them. It's the libertarian way.

>>715162692
Jason Thor Hall
He prefers to use his middle name and bans people who dont in his twitch

is this the new gamergate or the sequel of it? I thought it was just a small movement in Europe but apparently it has shaped up like Gamers vs Corpo

>>715167101
>just a small movement in Europe
Small? I don't think so.

>>715167445
to be fair, I wasn't keeping up with its evolution and just recently it is appearing everywhere even when I'm not looking for it. The first time I saw about it was here a couple weeks ago and no one was talking about it.

>>715156981
I was interested in the dev one (had to watch it at .80 speed since the guy slurred his shit a lot of the time) otherwise i just cringe when that shit comes up
PS is a fag but i'm too fatigued to care what shit he's got up to either side of SKG. The warcraft scandal seems like trivial niggershit. At least it helped get us signatures?

>>715167101
It's supposed to be gamers vs. corpo, but the supporters quickly became quixotic and made it into a culture war.
It's informally Gamer Gate 2.0, and it's going to implode just like 1.0.

This movement shown how delusional and adverse the terminally online can get.
It's also shown how many more of them are plugged to the internet now.

>>715169575
Which cultures are opposing, exactly?

>>715169575
The demoralization rituals will continue

>>715169918
>Which cultures are opposing, exactly?
Anyone that doesn't care about SKG. Seeing the previous threads here, critics, even constructive, were met with belligerent responses. Animosity doesn't really help causes.
It's become puritan and obnoxious.

At least Thor being outed as a gay furry and unskilled devlet was a shining highlight from all this.

>>715170397
Whenever someone says this, I ask them to provide legitimate criticism and they never can.

>>715170397
Oh no, people are being mean and belligerent? On 4chan? Perish the thought faggot.

>>715170397
What I understand is that people want is for games like gacha or other similar server based games to close in a similar way than that terminated megaman X dive game right? just to be able to keep playing, even if local.

>>715170832
For one, there's no lobbying group chosen yet, and people are more interested in Thor bashing than SKG itself.
Corporate lobbies already put their bids in. There are other valid criticisms like lack of leadership and proactive plans ITT and others, where were you?

>>715170847
We're retreading GG again, it's foreboding.

>>715171569
The ultimate argument for SKG is that games are art and should be preserved and accessed as such.
I consider most games, especially gachas, as an insult to art, but some might disagree and demand consumer protections for it, which is why the movement began in the first place.
Always online single player is really dumb, another main reason people joined SKG.

>>715171962
What do you want me to do about those things?

>>715171962
So it isn't just a simple cause against losing access to paid content/games that need to stay online. I don't resonate with the art argument you mention, I think it is completely irrlevant to the topic of value lost by the closure of servers. At least some games let you browse your gallery as a pity reward for playing.

>>715163492
actually the left has been indoctrinated to just #believe all women, especially at that moment in time, so if zoe quinn said there was no bribing then there was no bribing and all evidence is fake

>>715162751
>No organization, leadership, or cohesion
You could just visit the webpage of the initiative, but here you keep going online and telling lies. I don't recall people involved in Gamergate was being interviewed by big youtubers that managed to push legislations in the US during its apex. In fact, the response of the popular media to SKG had been laughably weak since they had already lost the momentum of the media war and most people that were contacted with paltry bribes to speak out against it ,refused them.
>No lobby has already been contracted yet for the commission
No lobby needs to be contacted, this is for the EU parliament.
>Media already made it into a culture war
A couple articles from literal whos mean precious little.
>Grifters are already coming out to milk Thor dry like Zoe Quinn
Ross has publicly disawoved it though. Try again, pilpul.