What went so terribly, horribly wrong?

>>715252040 (OP)
it didn't copy enough from assassin's creed

its a fun game, not much went wrong outside of the story dragging a bit

shit combat system

Nothing, but there's nothing amazing about it either.

>Games is PS exclusive
>Shills sucking its dick, calling it a huge step forward for Team Ninja
>No longer exclusive, comes out on PC
>Everyone agrees it's shit

Every.Single.Time

>>715252040 (OP)
Performance issue, other than that it's a good game, it's Way of the samurai with Team Ninja combat

>>715252040 (OP)
People say it's bad, but I'm interested. Is it worth it at like 40 bucks?

>>715252657
I can only imagine how beloved Dragon's Dogma 2 would be if it was a PS5 exclusive

>>715252657
Almost like playstation fanboys just love eating shit.

>>715252040 (OP)
Team Ninja trying to ape Ghost of Tsushima/Ubishit on a budget with dumbed down Nioh combat.

It's not a bad game by any means but it's a significant step down from Nioh and even Wo Long. I'm a bit worried about Nioh 3 since it's using this formula - the demo was alright but I could it being problematic over the course of a 30-40 hour game.

>>715252791
>Do you like open world?
>Do you like fast paced combat with parrying focus?
>Do you like playing dress up?
>Can you enjoy the story with some weird choice presented by devs?
>Can your PC runs it?
That's the question if you're interested also grab the savegame mod from nexus if you want to try your PC performance (the one without dlc) first

>>715252657
Oy vey the goyim know, shut it down

>>715252898
Hol up, haven' theard anything about Nioh 3. It's going to be open world slop?

>>715253119
Yeah, where have you been this time?

>>715253119
There was a demo last month lad. It's a bit different - the "open world" is the main zone and then the demon realm is basically the dungeon of that section.

>>715252040 (OP)
-filtered casuals
-filtered mustards and zoomers because of the graphics
-filtered people with toasters who can't run it
-filtered people who hate the loot system
-filtered people who hate open world
-pissed off Ass Creed fans
-pissed off people who were expecting more Nioh
-pissed off PlayStation fanboys when it became available on PC
-story wasn't that engaging

>>715253230
So is it like a Rise of Ronin open world with collectashits or like Expedition 33 where you just mostly navigate to the main missions/areas?

>>715252040 (OP)
It's a really good game but TN needs to get their fucking head out of their ass with these PC ports, they are ruining their reputation and good will.
They make excellent games that flop because of unbearably bad PC ports. And I say that as someone who could actually run Wo Long, SoP and RotR pretty well.
It sucks to see the ratings down in the gutter because people are genuinely locked out of playing these mediocre looking games due to terrible performance issues.
They really need to wake the hell up for when Nioh 3 drops on PC.

>>715253380
I love RotR but honestly i hate the diablo loot style, c'mon man 1,5% bonus to attack, 5% bonus to ki damage is just stupid

>>715253731
KT ports have always been hot shit lad

Remember Toukiden?

>>715253807
Nioh 1 PC port was very good. Nioh 2 was passable but the cracks were starting to show

>>715252040 (OP)
Just it being open world. I shouldn't be out looking for fights like I'm treasure hunting. Also poor optimization. The rest is great. Devs talked at length about wanting a wider audience and the combat system reflects this. It's easy to grasp but still lots of options to experiment. Way more fun than tsushima so I'm happy

>>715253731
>TN needs to get their fucking head out of their ass with these PC ports, they are ruining their reputation and good will.
Unironically this. After sop, wo long and ronin performance I'm thinking I'll wait with nioh 3

>>715254587
I swear her feet model looked much nicer than the female main character's

>>715255428
I picked male character but female was qt. I went with vanilla dude because he reminded me of hiroyuki sanada but so did literally everyone else playing this game because every ronin I run into is my character kek

>>715255614
I played the female but I really liked how my dude came out too, kind of a shame you can't switch between them and they're locked to being a cartoon villain. Getting to reunite and fight for the same side halfway through would've been kino

>>715255912
>>715254587
Not being able to romance your Blade Twin is another F. Reminded me of getting player by the "guardian" in BG3

>>715254652
They should let omega force the optimization instead but i still think that RotR walk so DW:O could run

>>715255912
I never really paid attention to the story but loved just about every boss fight. The combat is so addictive

>>715256748
Shitty pc nioh 3 optimization would be a massive fumble for them

>>715252040 (OP)
Gameplay is yet another regression of Nioh2

It’s like when a really cool and unique person got insecure for not being popular enough and tried to become a normie for wider appeal. Team Ninja tries to become ubisoft with hundreds of collectibles. Fuck that

>>715259073
Cute alt girl getting lip fillers and trying to become a bimbo vibes

>>715252040 (OP)
Every single enemy in the gaming having to be parried is just not fun and normally attacking sucks because they give you stamina for like 4 swings, which the enemy will block/dodge.

>>715252040 (OP)
marketing and snoy sabotage (exclusivity)

>>715254052
What? Other way around bro, Nioh 1 port famously crashed like crazy. Nioh 2 port was solid. Wo Long PC version (since it was simultaneous) was horrible and it took 2 DLCs to fix.

>>715252657
What about FF16? It got clowned at launch. Now it's on PC and people are acting like it's some hidden masterpiece

>>715252040 (OP)
For me, mainly three things:
1. The focus on parry led to a system where the positioning and attack timing doesn't matter as much, because hyperarmor and magnetic attacks are rampant.
2. The story pretends you've got a choice, but then forces you on a retarded neutrality path where you keep flip-flopping between factions.
3. Technical issues.

>>715263493
/v/ hates that trash game tho. The only posts are for the waifu wars

>>715263493
wtf are you talking about?
I have never heard anything about XVI beyond yawns

>>715264045
I swear I fought the same dudes like 5 or 6 times and then we're still friends and shit and I do missions for them. 3rd act is Power Rangers tier

>>715264331
Really? What about all those positive Steam reviews? Haven’t played it myself, but clearly it’s not total trash, PS5 timed exclusive or not. That whole “everyone agrees it’s shit” take kinda falls apart here.

>>715252040 (OP)
TN chasing some fantasy audience that will give them 5 million sales, at this point it's clear TN have no idea why people liked Nioh at all

>>715256649
It's weird too considering neither of you are actually blood related to one another

>>715253493
Like ronin, this time even some skills and ninjitsu are locked behind open world collectathon bullshit

>>715265049
>TN chasing some fantasy audience
>it's clear TN have no idea why people liked Nioh at all
KT in general is fucking retarded and mentally ill at this point. They just made their best selling Dynasty Warriors game, that peaked higher than any other KT game on Steam thanks to them getting the Chinese audience, and in their latest interview they said how they still want to broaden the appeal to get westerners to buy a game about Three Kingdoms too lol. Lots of "unrealized sales potential" or something.

It's like liberal devs in general seeing that women make up half of the planet so if they pander to them they can double the sale of their every game. Utter morons.

>>715265263
Not him, but to me that honestly sounds a bit less tedious then trying to grind for some skills from bosses

>>715265604
Seems like a pretty generic answer to a interviewer, not really 'mentally ill' to want more sales in a era where games take more money than ever to make

>>715265975
You're naive to think they won't also have boss skills lol

>>715252040 (OP)
Audiences being too stupid to appreciate kino

>>715252657
>Fans of Team Ninja games play the game when it's exclusive and love it
>Game comes out to PC
>Non-TN guys play it and get filtered
Every time

>>715252898
>Team Ninja trying to ape Ghost of Tsushima
Sushi literally aped Nioh and AssCreed very poorly.

RotR is an upgrade in every single way. You can argue about graphical fidelity but Ronins open world does have style and more importantly it offers a lot more visual variety. Over half of sushi is giant forests or different colored fields of flowers with copy pasted huts sprinkled throughout.

>>715253119
They've described it as "open fields". You have a zone that feels more like an extended version of a Nioh level with more freedom to roam between the various parts and then at the end you have the "crucible" which is straight up just a traditional Nioh level. The way the demo level sections off into other parts and how they have said it's not "exactly" like an open world implies that there will be a lot of these open fields that are only connected by bridges or tunnels

>>715252657
I always said it was shit after I tried the demo same as nioh 3

>>715266467
>not really 'mentally ill' to want more sales in a era where games take more money than ever to make
Pandering to westerners, especially with games set in a period that never appealed to them, is suicidal. It's a westacucked Inafune-thinking. It's how we got Ninja Gaiden 3.

There is no broader audience with preset franchises like these. You either satisfy your base or you dilute and make it for nobody.

Well I enjoyed RotR but the lack of monsters and magic make it a bit boring. Also the story tries to follow the real story of yhe bakkumatsu but I thinks it's just too complicated. Everyone betrays everyone all the time.

Im enjoying Wo Lonf way more. I still find Nioh 2 better but the lack of jump and double jump make the level design too boring after Wo Long.

>>715267996
DW did satisfy its base with games like 7 and 8 and they sold worse than previous entries, DW was a franchise that actively needed a broader audience which it achieved with origins.

Being able to climb up and run on building honestly makes me wish this game had more of a ninja clan presence. Imagine kicking back in a comfy hidden village with a few big titty ninjas to look at

>>715268301
Rotr approach to harder human enemies by just making them 10ft tall is hilarious and I loved it.
>wo long
I'm playing it right now, very fun but I'm still not quite getting the phase system. Am I just supposed to guess what phase a hard enemy is and spam spells that counter that phase to stagger it?

>>715252898
Ghost of yotei should have unironically ripped off rotr. Tsushima is such a boring turd that the combination of its great visuals with actual combat could have made a great game

>>715268570
The broader audience came in thanks to the Chinese flocking to Steam in recent years https://gamalytic.com/game/2384580

It didn't come from ominous le untapped magical western market like they schizoed in that interview. Such an audience doesn't exist for 3K games.
https://gamalytic.com/game/1448440
https://gamalytic.com/game/779340
https://gamalytic.com/game/872410

Again, that's Inafune's westacucked and suicidal way of thinking. Just because women exist and cover half the planet does not mean you can sell FIFA and COD to them no matter how hard you deform the appeal. You'll just lose the base.

>>715252040 (OP)
People expected Tenchu Z-squared when it was actually Way of the Samurai 4.75 redux.

>>715264931
Mostly positive may as well be overwhelmingly negative, don't be obtuse.

>>715269150
That 'schizo' interview is such a generic answer that i'm confused why you would overreact to it this hard, it sounds nothing like inafune whose point was that japanese devs were completely behind the west (which they were) and that japan was a shrinking market (which it was)

i just run around punching people in rotr
it's fun but stamina runs out so fast when fisting bitches

>>715270384
Wish there were more unarmed styles
>drunken monk

>>715269659
I actually started playing the first game yesterday. I've never touched any of the games before and all I knew was that you're a samurai and that the game is partially about replaying the game multiple times, using meta knowledge to make future playthroughs smoother/easier.

I was really surprised at how kind of complex the combat was, it's nothing crazy but it has some interesting mechanics and a good amount of moves to use at the beginning and then you learn even more. First game has great aesthetics and character designs too.

>>715269929
Inafune, as a creature, represents a specific self-hating brainrot that sometimes pops up in certain Japanese higher ups. Westacuckoldry has various levels of intensity.
I developed a well warranted aversion and disgust to westacuck pandering.

Snoy whored themselves into nonrecognition and murdered SIE Japan, Square skullfucked themselves with Forespoken and it killed Luminous while also shitting up Final Fantasy by ripping off GoT "writing", Bamco blew their dick off with Unknown 9 and wasted God only knows how much money on all those multimedia tie-ins, Capcom is once again failing for this AIDS judging by their leaked slides, Tango sold themselves then got killed after one too many western written flops etc.

I don't need KT, which doesn't have as much money to experiment, to try doing something similar. Especially not with a franchise whose main audience will never largely overlap with westrannies and their demands. Again, TN realized this mistake with NG3 with the famous "we won't try making burger anymore" interview. It's grim to see Omega Force unaware of the same lesson.

>>715269659
>when it was actually Way of the Samurai 4.75 redux.
it's nowhere near it, the difference is like night and day

>>715252040 (OP)
openslop that looks like shit
If you're making openslop to attract zoomers and normies, you've gotta make it look pretty

>>715269780
Bruh

>>715252040 (OP)
Ghost of Tsushima did it first and did it better.

>>715252040 (OP)
>>715252657
The game slaps hard, people like it and you're a faggot along with anyone who agrees with you. And that's about it, really.

>>715252040 (OP)
They went for every meme, parry slop focus, empty open world, pick your side, ...

I genuinely think that the main reason it flopped was because of the ugly graphics and animations. Especially since it couldn't cover it up with fantasy vibes like Nioh. Team inja seriously need to upgrade their engine

>>715272589
And it does all over it better than it's contemporaries except the open world (which still has value as the only open world in japan on this games scale).

What's the issue?

>>715272695
Yes because the average audience is retarded. Ghosts of Tsushima is a lot worse than this game but normies ate it up because the pretty graphics are like dangling keys in front of a baby. Ronin has a lot of beautiful areas but it's going out of it's way to appear shiny and super high fidelity like sushi so retards think it looks "outdated". Not to say there aren't bad looking parts of the world, they definitely dont know how to make open world work perfectly in their engine but the graphics issue is severely overblown.

>>715272460
Not even close

>>715273043
>What's the issue?
I'm bad at parry and wanted nioh 3 or nioh in another setting.

Loved the combat at its peak but variable parry timings and RPS stances are genuinely awful mechanics that make the game actively worse

>>715273163
You should learn to appreciate the differences in games instead of wanting more of the same all the time. There's plenty of stuff in both Nioh games and there's a lot to appreciate in their other titles with combat systems that are arguably better designed than Nioh

>>715273335
>variable parry timings
Skill issue, I literally did not know there was variable timing other than the few stances that clearly look like they would be active for longer and I beat the game on midnight difficulty.

the rps stuff is dumb tho yes, there are a lot better ways they could've tried to encourage using multiple styles

>>715273043
Yeh, people love to say that "graphics don't matter ,only art direction!" bur rotr is solid proof to the contrary since it actually has good art direction, but low fidelity. Personally I was more bothered by the animations. The horse gallop got rightfully memed on, and the walking animation also looks like shit cus the character doesn't move their elbows

>>715252040 (OP)
>companions only available in missions, not open world
I dont understand the reason for this.

>>715268826
I finished the base game without knowing about phases. I see Chinese characters appearing on the screen and do not know what it means.

>>715273954
I kinda dig the over the top wuxia chink vibes. Very endearing

>>715253119
For what its worth the nioh 3 alpha demo was really good. There are some changes that people didn't like but i suspect its because they just didnt want to adapt and want to play the same game over and over again. Also not all weapons were available in the demo but people went out of bounds and found some of them.

>>715268826
the phases work in a 5 way RPS system and i'm pretty sure there's a tip in-game you can find that explains it (should be in a menu somewhere under encyclopedia). i.e. fire will counter metal spells (which are usually poison based).

If you mean how are you supposed to know what element an enemy uses...well then just fight them. It's not about weaknesses but about directly countering element attacks. Like early on maybe the 3rd or 4th level you fight that teleporting mage that spams a lot of fire spells, any water spell will completely get rid of a fireball he has. In this webm here haste is a water phase buff so it will completely counter fire here. Pretty sure other buffs can work similarly vs other elements.

>>715274393
i just completely ignore the phase system
i can't be assed with managing it and i just earthmaxx my levels. i'm probably on normal difficulty or something though so obviously my opinion on gameplay mechanics don't mean anything
that being said i soft-dropped the game after taotie or whatever the huge asshole is called
i'm sure the bosses afterwards are more fun but even though it only took me ten tries or so it was such a miserable experience that i wanted to stop playing

kino weeb game the hate for it is too forced

>>715252040 (OP)
You fight random no name mobs the exact same fucking way you fight every boss because they will just ignore everything and armor through after the second hit

This is only tangentially related, but I was thinking about trying SoP but I've never played any FF games. Does it matter much or should I at least watch a FF1 synopsis (at least I think that's the game it's related to)?

>>715252657

No one respects a game if it releases on PC.

>>715252040 (OP)
Was an attempt to make an open world game to see if that would sell

That's all. It was just a full experiment and it didn't take well so they're sticking to Nioh 3

>>715274909
No. Only thing you're missing out on is knowing the twist from the beginning, but you probably already know it by now.

>>715274697
You can definitely ignore, the game doesn't ever force it upon you, but it can definitely help you if you're struggling or allow you to get really aggressive.
Also yes taotie is annoying but there aren't any other bosses like that again, TN always has to put in one of those type of big gimmick bosses in their games for some reason. If you've gotten that far you're over half way through iirc.

Surprised I haven't seen people make fedora tipping edgelords in this game yet

>>715274909
You need know prior knowledge. The set up for the game is that you and some other guys wake up in a world with amnesia so everything in that game is spoonfed to you. The story is directly connected to FF1 but again not important. If you really want you can get all the information you need by reading like a one paragraph synopsis of FF1.

>>715274767
It’s not a bad game per se but it’s a shitty compromised version of mix between GoT and Nioh. In a saturated market it can be seen as bad and skippable

>>715275126
Did somebody ring the dinkster?

>>715275308
kek

>>715274393
That's interesting. I've never seen the characters that appeared for you when you deflected that grunt. Do you see that when you actively hit an enemy with the correct phase?

>>715274930
retard

It not selling billions doesn't make it a bad game.

Threads like these make me wonder if people who play video games actually browse /v/. OP could slap any fucking game image and not state a single case and people just lap it up and pretend its bad.

Why is the game bad? It just is!

>>715275382
>Do you see that when you actively hit an enemy with the correct phase?
Yes.

>>715275868
Neat. Honestly I just like the breakneck combat. That can carry me to end of the game alone. Hows the endgame in this? Also will I ever be able to smith martial arts onto weapons? I can see theres slots for 6 skills but it's very jarring that they seem random

>>715275709
It does in Koei Tecmos eyes since it was especially designed to sella gorillion copies

>>715252040 (OP)
Nothing, it's fucking great. Like AssCreed with a good combat system. And i haven't even touched NG+.

What i don't like is the cut scenes lighting is like 10 times better than ingame and that the story is beyond retarded.

>>715275238
>shitty compromised version of mix between GoT and Nioh
shit take, mushroom.
It's just a TN game set in Japan. It's kino and you're adding unneeded baggage to it.

>it's japanese so it's ghosts of tsushima!
I love when people make this comparison as if it anything in tsushima was actually interesting or original. The game is literally asscreed japan with a stance system that is (poorly) taken from nioh.

Probably the only thing about it that I liked is that there is a difficulty mode that just amplifies the damage of both the player and the enemies so you can tear through them really fast using it's generous parry and counter systems

>>715252657
I saw no threads about this game until it hit PC and suddenly tons hitting bump limit. I'm assuming you didn't play it

It just felt worse to play than nioh 2 and there was no Chaos to partially salvage it like with Jack's game. I don't think it's a bad game I just found it to be a disappointing one.

>>715274909
The original final fantasy only has like 5 characters and 6 major bosses. A synopsis would work just fine. I played through the pixel remaster parralel to SoP and it's fun to know the throwbacks but it doesn't add that much.

>>715276406
>you're adding unneeded baggage to it.
I didn’t do that, TN did. They slapped on an open world with ubisoft style checklist and yellow paint with shallower combat than Nioh. This game was designed in a board room for mass appeal and the inauthenticity that came out as a result is very mediocre. But as long as you can play dress up with your waifu and pet some cats, you are happy?

>>715275238
Unironically tsushima is incredibly skippable

>>715277023
>They slapped on an open world with ubisoft style checklist
Identical to got in that regard. The difference is ronin is gameplay focused and manages to make a straight forward combat system that is both fast paced and experimental. Low barrier for entry but enough staying power that I'm happy messing around with it to the end. Especially with how fun the boss fights are. The whole cat concierge and shibas you send out into the world thing were very boring mechanics but the combat was solid even if shallow compared to nioh. Out of the big jap themed open world games currently talked about like ass creed yasuke, tsushima and this, this is the one to play if you value gameplay.

>>715252040 (OP)
The open world is uninspired ubislop, worse than ubislop even because they have a lower budget. Enemy variety is awful. The game expects you to play with pet NPCs at all time so it keeps shoving gank boss fights.

Honestly the one reason I don't play it is because there's no monsters. The whole point of any Team Ninja game, whether it be Nioh, Ninja Gaiden, Wo Long, or Stranger of Paradise, is to kill a variety of badass-looking monsters. Rise of the Ronin is literally just a knockoff Assassin's Creed. Zero sense of fantastic spectacle

>>715252657
To be fair even when it was a PS exclusive, many people were saying it's not very good. It was ignored mostly

>>715277429
>gank boss fights
I don't think I ever took any allies into missions

>>715252040 (OP)
>attack
>attack
>atta- counterspark
>counterspark
>counterspark
>martial art
>grapple
that's every fight, it's fun but there's not much there. At least the /fa/ game is better than nioh

>>715277535
I finished the game without them too, it's not that hard. But the double of triple bossfights are horribly designed when you're solo, it clearly wasn't made for this.

>>715277049
Ghost of Tsushima had its flaws that came with open world filler but the core content was excellent. The world was beautiful and poignant. A simple enough story to get behind. Combat was no Nioh but the moment to moment feel was heavy and satisfying. Certain things, Tsushima did them really well, well enough for RotR to try to copy but fail

>>715277517
>Zero sense of fantastic spectacle
Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're saying but all the martial skills are so over the top and spammable alongside countersparks that every fight turns into a spectacle

>>715277647
double or* triple

>>715252040 (OP)

>>715277535
idk about rotr but in wo long i hated allies because they made the attack patterns less predictable

>>715277678
I said fantastic spectacle. As in, fantasy-centric. Slaying monsters and shit. Can you even have fantasy without monsters? I don't know

>>715277351
Tsushima also suffers from the open world syndrome but it also excels at world building, which is something Ronin couldn’t do. The only thing Ronin had was that it is in a unique transition period for the East that wasn’t really covered in games before. The combat is shallow, too much emphasis on parry. There is more to dig into if you want, but it never evolves and stays the same from the beginning to end. Combat has more depth than Tsushima but it doesn’t mean that it is good, and I much prefer Nioh than Ronin. Which is why I said Ronin is a shitty compromised version of the mix between Tsushima and Nioh, because thats exactly what it is

>>715277656
Maybe we're looking for different things in a game but I found tsushima to be a massive bore. Great looking game but the core gameplay going between shitty open world filler to boring missions where I can't skip cutscenes and all the while I'm cutting down the same 4 mongol models over and over with the most unengaging combat system that even bamham puts to shame. It was just an absolute mess for anyone who enjoys games with engaging gameplay. This game was all about the style and it looks like they're doubling down on that in the sequel.
>Certain things, Tsushima did them really well, well enough for RotR to try to copy but fail
I'm not even sure what those are. They go for a different time period, different mission structures (focusing entirely on combat encounter heavy missions) and a different story. Only similarity I see is the same shitty approach to open world which both games clearly swiped from ass creed. For me tsushima was a massive disappointment when it came to pc. Just an incredibly polished game that excelled in nothing. Very safe in that regard and maybe that's why it sold so well on ps4

>>715277678
From my understanding he's saying that realistic setting games (like ass creed) only have human enemies and it's fucking boring (and I agree).

>>715277830
I see. In that sense yeah it's not fantasy centric. The most you'll get is william making an appearance and anime flavour fights

It's very amusing how some npc is the actual protagonist and your character is just some autistic fencesitter with zero motivation who does everything they're told. Also the blade twin might be one of the worst written antagonists I've ever encountered. TN needs to
a) stop setting their games in actual history/existing stories like nioh, wo long and rotr because it just makes their stories even more hard to follow and boring
b) hire/contract at least one competent writer
And you can say story doesn't matter, you'd be right since I do like these games, but having any sort of narrative or characters you care about does improve the experience. Having Jack be an entertaining protagonist, intentionally or otherwise, made SoP better than if he a silent CaC

>>715277761
I always remove those just because it's more fun solo. I don't like this style TN have gone with since sop where every game they give you ai allies

>>715277830
you can have fantasy without monsters
maybe something like wuxia with spectacle martial arts, cloud cities, or whatever

>>715277761
in rotr its actually designed so that, more or less, the boss will always agro on (you), unless there's multiple bosses in which case each boss will fight a team member so you get to focus on a 1v1

>>715278416
Jack was the best protag since wirriam

>>715252040 (OP)
>takes forever to really get going
>performance shits the bed in the last act, it isn't great early on but that's what tips the bucket, feels awful since all the game logic is tied to FPS as well, so it just slows down to a crawl when it starts dipping
>dedicated parry button was a mistake, moving stance switching to a stick when it's more important than ever makes it feel really clunky from time to time, should've just stolen the timed block from sekiro and kept stance switching the way it was in nioh
>ubislop open world where you're just following markers to tick boxes for each zone only ends up diluting the gameplay
I'm worried for Nioh 3 honestly, Team Ninja hasn't had a good track record with their last few games.

>>715278108
Tsushima is very narrative driven and each mission had a purpose for reaching the simple goal of revenge. I find Tsushima to be linear and purposeful in an open world I wouldn’t call any of the missions a filler unless you mean the hot springs and the bamboo strikes which is comparable to petting cats in Ronin except it actually meant a stats upgrade.
>I'm not even sure what those are
It’s the playable japanese experience, the thing Ronin despite TN being an actual Japanese team failed at because everything about the game was so arbitrarily tacked on to drive more sales. What’s sadder is they toned down the combat, something TN is good at for mass appeal. Ronin was designed in a board room and the results show. Some fell for it, many won’t

normal games
>render things within 50 meters or so
>game still looks neat and runs well

ronin
>dude let's render everything within 1 km lmao
>game looks fine but runs at 20 fps
>and now your pc is burning

>>715278978
Yeah they talked about it in some interviews, the combat system was designed to be accessible but still fun and experimental. In that regard I think they succeeded. Not sure about the sales but it looks like majority of sales were in Asia. I just hope they learn from ronin and don't compromise on nioh 3 to get a wider audience

>>715278942
I'd agree if it wasn't called "nioh 3"
the nioh games are the only noteworthy ones modern TN has made and they know it

>>715279432
Yeah, I'm hoping they'll at least treat their prize pony well

>>715279343
>there's heavy pop-in regardless

>>715279343
>game looks fine
lmao

>>715279573
Unless you're running low on a toaster, yeah it does

>>715277351
>even if shallow compared to nioh
It's not. Explain to me where the depth in Nioh combat comes from. I'll wait.
And no, ki pulse/flux is not "depth".

>>715277517
There's tons of spectacle moments. Especially the final final final boss (no spoilers)

botw looks great and is just 16 gig
ronin looks okay and is almost 200 gig

>>715279539
I get the feeling their devs don't really know how to do pop-in well. I've seen many games manage their pop-in in such ways where it isn't really that much of an eyesore, but even in Nioh 2 they'd pop in stuff right in your face in really obvious, ugly ways (it's also very cool that it's somewhat fixed in a later playstation rerelease, but they never bothered pushing the same graphic options to PC). Ronin also has really noticeable pop-in.

>>715279736
ki pulse/flux

>>715277761
The allies are actually really cool in ronin. I bet a lot of people don't even know this but every ally has at least one unique martial skill that isn't available to the player and you have multiple allies that either use completely unique styles or even unavailable weapons.

Shame we never got an update or DLC that let us use them without allies tho

>>715278416
ronin actually has the best story and I found it compelling until ch 3 where the "choosing side" stuff falls apart. They do a great job of making the people you meet charming and wanting to stick with them and I think the game is smart where in the beginning it's clearly pushing anti-shogun, on purpose, but then chapter 2 is all about showing you the other side of the perspective

>>715280119
>every ally has at least one unique martial skill that isn't available to the player
this was so utterly retarded

>>715279736
Weapons actually feeling different for one, no universal parry. In ronin you get a weapon to level 5, score one final counter spark and spam abilities while you flick your joystick through stances while you also spam the style flash attacks. The issue is how much it relies on the counter spark and enemies otherwise always have hyper armour. Also yea, ki pulse flux

>>715252040 (OP)
lazy open world
graphics downgraded, legitimately looks like a PS3 game. PS5 perf mode looked terribad.
equipment system kinda streamlined compared to Nioh 2 and 1, less sets and set bonuses.
the worst marketing for any game I've ever seen. that vignette series was shit, information was so ambiguous that people thought the generic cardboard cutout character they kept parading in the trailers was a fixed protag and there wasn't a character creator anymore.

Otherwise, it still has the strong points of a TN RPG; stellar combat.

I thought the game was great. 9/10
It is a tragedy it sold so poorly

>>715280316
There isn't inherently anything wrong with parry and ronin does it very well. You can argue about how you always parry red attacks but Nioh 2 also literally has a similar mechanic and it's equally as strong if not stronger since it will cancel ANY animation, you can only cancel your basic attacks into counterspark.
Use of the word spam is a bad faith way to make it seem "worse" but you're not actually explaining what is bad about ronins combat.
The hyper armor issue....applies to Nioh as well, except against humans, except humans are very easy to fight in Nioh outside of N1 when humans get living weapons.

I specifically asked what depth there is in Nioh but instead you spend more time complaining about Ronin with your only positive marks for Nioh being "weapons are different...and ki flux" which again ki flux is not depth. Depth would imply there are multiple decisions to make. There is no reason to not ki flux. Ki pulse has a bit more depth but only a tiny bit, you either ki pulse immediately to cut out some of the recovery or you wait to get a perfect ki pulse.

Just a lot of generalized statements without any explanation.

I like both games but that's why I asked what depth Nioh has because as I expected you weren't going to have any concrete argument but still want to parrot rotr's combat being "shallow".

>>715280251
the problems are that the protagonist isn't a character and it takes place over such a large period of time so we only get snippets of whats actually happening.But really what kills it for me is the mc having no character.
In Nioh 1 I could get behind William because his goal was "save Saoirse", bang, I get it. Japanese civil war in the way? Don't care. Yokai conspiracy in the way? Don't care, save the girl.
Then in RotR it starts similarly in trying to track down your twin but we find him and he tries to kill us without really explaining anything, so now our motivation is really sketchy. He's safe and sound now so are we tracking him down for the sake of it or to find out what he's doing or to kill him or are we genuinely supposed to care about the fate of Japan? I dunno, I didn't really care at that point.

>>715280923
>but still want to parrot rotr's combat being "shallow".
It is shallow. It's fun and addictive but shallow. Nioh makes you learn combos and think about what to use when depending on who you're fighting, what moves you open with and what moves you'll have access to after you flux 2 to a different stance. That's not even mentioning the soul cores which can range from anything like elemental ailment application to mobility to defense to grapple. For example with 1 kat fighting a basic big yokai I might open with a running high stance heavy attack to immediately break horn, flux2 into low stance, ippon dattara him to get an almost immediate grapple then go from there. Or close direction and open with lightning god soul core to engage instead of 1kat. How you fight humans and yokai will be completely different, even more options depending on what weapons. For example 1kat and spear absolutely disable humans more than any other weapon. The spear mid stance lb + x enemy swap as an opener completely disables the enemy and puts then with their back to you for extra damage and a free opening for a spear combo. Nioh is just full of options and experimentation while ronin just feels like I'm give lots of different animations without ever really getting any options that make a difference in my approach. I'm not saying ronin is bad. I'm a big fan of literally anything team ninja, but nioh is on another level

>>715252040 (OP)
No boob slider
No heavy attack string
Ubisoft tier open world
No coomer armor for female characters

>>715281234
Well the game is called rise of the RONIN for a reason. You are a wandering samurai, which is why you can drift between allegiances. I get that it's a bit disappointing not having something in particular to push you further but the character fits the narrative of a "ronin" and obviously they want the player to be able to have freedom of choices idk. Ryoma is your mouth piece.

I do agree that the twin blade narrative was pretty poorly done. There is a lot of cool stuff that could've been done with it but once you get out of the prologue the twin blade stuff is completely pushed to the side and has very little impact on the narrative. They definitely could've done more to set up more history and lore between you and your twin blade to make a more compelling character story but it feels like they didn't even try

>>715252040 (OP)
I found it really boring.

>>715281817
>No heavy attack string
didn't play the game award

>>715280923
>>715281738
Ronin did have some very funny moves that I enjoyed experimenting with. For example 1kat has that style you get early on and rb+y throws a bunch of papers on the ground that if the enemy attacks you teleport behind them. This was very fun to abuse against shooters since it works on ranged weapons so you can throw papers, bullet hits the papers and you teleport some 20 metres to the shooter

>>715281817
>No boob slider
the distinct tit sizes option is superior to a slider and I hope they bring it back in n3

>>715281738
>Nioh makes you learn combos
There are no real combos in Nioh unless you mean canned strings, which the game does have, not just in your base moveset but there are multiple martial skills in the game that have multiple attacks you can press in sequence or holding the input to do more attacks. You can cancel your basic attacks into counterspark removing recovery entirely when timed well. You can seamlessly go from basic attacks/counterspark into martial skills.
Learning combos IS important in Ronin, more so than Nioh, because when an enemy is in a panic state you have a limited window where all of your attacks will hitstun them (so they can't hyperarmor) and this panic state will end prematurely if you don't combo them fast enough.
>that's not even mentioning the soul cores which can range from anything like elemental ailment application to mobility to defense to grapple
And martial skills can do similar stuff? So what's your point?

It seems like you aren't exploring your options with martial arts at all. You're moreso complaining that your basic attacks don't do much but ignoring how important martial skills are and especially how there's a lot of depth in dancing between styles using those various skills. You have skills that are meant to put pressure on the enemy while giving you the ability to cancel out of it quickly to counterspark, skills that deal massive ki damage if the opponent blocks, skills that give you mobility, skills that have defensive properties i.e. either an actual counter or with guard points, skills that have massive range, skills that work best in combos or getting more damage vs out of ki enemies. There's plenty of depth but you're pretending it's not there likely because you didn't bother exploring the game much and quickly cast it off as being "simplified"

>>715283475
>It seems like you aren't exploring your options with martial arts at all
All I do is use martial skills. When you panic an enemy you're just going to be stringing together your fastest most damaging martial skills with the glade attack on style swap. I rarely use normal attacks except for when the enemy is not panicked since like you said you can just cancel into spark. Pretty much every encounter goes the same way because of this
>score some light attacks
>counterspark their combo, often you're spamming light attacks in between their hits if they're a slow comboer like odachi users
>unleash your canned martial skill string when they're panicked, maybe get them out of initiating a combo string with a shuriken if panic finishes quickly.
Repeat above until they're dead. The main difference from start to finish of the game is what martial skills you use in that panic window

>>715284058
This isn't necessarily bad because the styles have enough flashy style and variety for me to enjoy this from start to finish. It being incredibly fast paced and reaction based helps the game be incredibly satisfying. Never cared for the open world but I cleared every camp to get the juice. I think it would have been better if the game was mission based, I shouldn't have to go looking for camps or fights

I wish I could tell you, but unfortunately, it's fucking unplayable on my GTX 3070Ti

>>715284474
I can play it just fine on my 3060ti. Take your settings down to at least high, and don't use frame generation as I think that setting is broken.

>>715284474
I went from the game not even launching to silky smooth 120fps when I upgraded to 5070ti (for nioh 3). I really hope they get their shit together and hire someone who knows how to use a computer to optimize for pc

>>715284058
Setting up moves that attack the opponent afterwards is important. Your panic attacks will be different depending on the boss because not everyone has a consistent panic timer and there's also obviously fighting multiple enemies as well where positioning can be more important.

And this is different from Nioh combos how? In your scenario where your horn break what is changing your combo if there are no other enemies? You're going to be doing the same shit. In Nioh it's the exact same with an added bonus, you're using weapon and yokai skills as much as possible because those deal the most max ki damage which pushes and enemy closer to getting fully ki broken. Yokai abilities cost a special meter but all of the best yokai abilities are cheap and that meter is RARELY if EVER an issue.

Also you spam light attacks but like I said, there are very good offensive skills, skills that give you good mobility, ones with defensive properties. You're completely ignoring those and saying you just spam light attacks....

There's a lot of skill expression when you actually get good at the game and are fluidly style switching. Nioh's stance switching isn't nearly as useful in the sense that you're chaining between each stances different attacks and skills. Niohs stance switching is for more ki and for low stance to have superior dodges. That's not to say it never happens just that it's not something you feel the need to do as much outside of fists which very directly encourage you to do so (and that's part of why it's such a fun weapon to use)

An interesting setting wasted because Team Ninja can't write a story for shit. Way too many characters with fuck-all substantial development and even more worthless attempts at romance. Borderline useless gear because Team Ninja want to keep loot because of the Nioh fanbase but don't seem to actually want to do loot. Typical open world slop also.

>>715284689
It starts to shit the bed in that mission where you revolt against the American embassy, to the point where the battle against your twin is unplayable

>>715252657
The exact opposite actually, look at Stellar Blade

>>715284917
Didn't happen to me, though around release, Yokohama had pretty bad performance. There was also another broken setting that really killed performance that Koei Tecmo has since fixed

>>715284905
>with fuck-all substantial development
I guess a rag tag group of individuals who want to honor their leader starting a full blown rebellion and you having to either side with them or kill them isn't development?

>jumping causes micro stutters
>lighting constantly pops in and out

>>715284905
Nioh, Wo Long and RotN just assume you already know your history and takes you on a theme park ride of meeting famous people and playing through famous scenarios. I struggle to keep up but I don't mind, it makes me curious about learning the history.

I got a 9070XT and 9800x3d and reading about the performance it kerps me from buying it ne ause even people with my soecs barely get stable 60 fps on 1440p.

Can anyone confirm this?

>>715284839
>There's a lot of skill expression when you actually get good at the game and are fluidly style switching
This happens incredibly quickly in ronin. Thats another difference. Or maybe because I played ronin after 400 hours in nioh. All the super cool combo expression videos we see for ronin, as flashy as they are, are never as impressive as the ones for nioh (imo anyway) because there's a lot more leg work to get to that point in nioh. I agree about the nioh low stance dodges, once you leaen hit boxes you learn to use low stance dash almost exclusively.
>there are very good offensive skills
Yeah there are, ronin has to be the flashiest game they made. Probably to appeal to a wide audience but there's never a dull martial skill. I wish they'd put more effort into making animations more fluid, in some cases in photo mode you can frame by frame see big gaps in attacks but what is there gets my dopamine going.
I never said ronin has a lack of expression, I just don't think it's as in depth as nioh.

>>715285450
I have 9800x3d and 5070ti which I think is relatively in line with your set up and I have never noticed a drop below 120fps on high

>150 gb
>runs like shit
>looks incredibly bad like an early ps4 game
>still nearly at full price even on sale

I want to like the game but the PC port is so bad

>>715285357
WL and RotR got me interested in both time periods. I started watching the ROTK show everyone loves and it's great. Bakumatsu was a more interesting period than I thought too, I actually haven't consumed any media about it somehow. It's awesome.
I already knew a decent amount about sengoku tho but it still does a good job, they hype up nobunaga quite a bit in nioh 1

awful performance, it's fun to play otherwise

>>715285642
>ROTK show everyone loves and it's great.
I've been meaning to watch that for like a decade now

Team ninja is cursed. All their post nioh 2 games are good but they keep doing stupid shit that is so easily fixed and it kills their games
>stranger of paradise stuck on egs for a year, no marketing for steam release and generally awful pc port
>wo long simultaneous pc launch, probably first pc simultaneous launch but is a disaster for optimization and is supposedly fixed 9 months after release (no one cares by then)
>ronin stuck on snoystation5 for a year, no steam marketing, somehow an even worse pc port
How do they manage to fuck up every time

>>715252040 (OP)
Piss poor and soulless Ghost of Tsushima clone. Worse in every way

>>715286413
>Worse in every way
Except where it matters

>>715286150
I don't care about any of that because I bought each game, played them, and enjoyed them :)

I did wish ronin got DLC tho

>>715285487
>I just don't think it's as in depth as nioh.
All of the examples of depth in nioh you talked about are similar to things you can do in nioh except ki pulse but I could definitely argue that the blood blade mechanic has more depth than ki pulse because blood blade isn't free so when you use it has a lot more meaning

>>715287594
You and me both buddy.

>>715287783
I'd argue that fluxing has more depth because it also dictates your next moves but they're both nice systems

>>715286760
Definitely worse gameplay and combat. Its not even close, GoT mogs the fuck out of this pile of garbage.

>>715286413
Rotr takes place in a much more interesting time period so the architecture and fashion is miles better. Got is barely an action game compared to rotr also. I liked both, but rotr is better in every possible way except maybe cinematics? But if you like that you should not be playing action games anyway, you should be playing some gay movie games instead

>>715288438
>Definitely worse gameplay and combat
Be serious. GoT combat is pure trash, even on lethal. Sitting in a pool composing haikus or chasing shrines doesn't make up for the most mind numbing ass creed combat in the industry

>>715288438
I hope you are 18 and very new to video games as a hobby

>>715288713
I am dead serious. The combat in Ghost of Tsushima is vastly superior to the boring, mindless janky trash in Rise of the Ronin and the rest of Team Ninja's lazy Nioh reskins. You are absolutely delusional to say otherwise

>mindless janky trash in Rise of the Ronin
not even worth a reply really

>>715252657
Almost like PC.u.c.k.s just love shitting their panties if it's not day one pc steam only.

>>715289010
Okay buddy. Go ahead. Go right ahead and explain in great detail why ghosts of tsushima combat is sooooo great. I'll wait. Failure to comply will result in you looking like a ragebaiting contraria shitposter who has nothing of value to say.

>>715289010
You need to be 18 to post on this site anon

>>715289010
Nice try troonera falsefagger

>>715252040 (OP)
>All these games
>Still no decent WotS clone

>>715252040 (OP)
the coolest samurai game ever

>>715278108
GoT and TN games are for completely different players. I tried the Asscreed-Bam ham - Shadow of Mordor type of gameplay and it really wasn't for me. Combats are nearly automated and the game shines more by its dialogues and story. I prefer playing real action games and TN is right up my alley.

>>715289273
It's actually quite easy to explain. Less is more. The beauty of it is its simplicity and precision, which artfully conveys exactly the kind of smooth, deliberate, and quick nature of samurai duels and the Kurosawa films it is inspired by. In essence, it is kino in every moment of its execution. Rise of the Ronin is an overbloated, clunky and lame mess to play and look at. It wants to ape Tsushima but with utterly none of the grace, style, choreography, or design sense. It's a lazily rehashed system copy and pasted over from every single one of their other low budget and half-assed games of the past decade. It has no finesse and does no justice to the things it wishes it were.

Stay mad.

>>715289769
Just want to clear it up and say that the ACTUAL bamham games have really good combat that none of it's clones have replicated properly. shadow of mordor is probably the closest to still having something fun but still not nearly as good.

>>715289595
RotR come close albeit only on clothing for weapon you only got weapon skin, but the combat is way better

"chat gpt explain why bad thing is good and try to sound smart"
lmaooooooo

>>715289882
nice chatgpt message bro

>>715288438
>and combat
You're a mongrel

>>715289882
>simplicity
>precision
>artfully conveys
>smooth
>deliberate
>quick nature
>overbloated
>clunky
>lame
>grace
>style
>choreography
>design sense
>finesse

>>715289882
Thanks @grok

>>715289595
The first one is really dear to my heart. How i wish for a full on remake for the first one with more locales to visit, 2x the amount of events depending on the time of day and even more context sensistive actions such pushing, kicking or yelling.

>>715290047
>shitskin can't comprehend that an intelligent post wasn't written by an AI

Fucking lmao, holy shit the absolute state of retard third worlders on this site

>>715289882
>Less is more
Tsushima takes this a bit too literally with 0 player input lmao

>>715284474
Complete horseshit unless you aim for the meme 4k resolution

>>715290196

just spared the final boss, pressing the counter button a lot was very fun

>>715289882
I unironically agree with this. Even as a fan of RotR and Team Ninja's games, I can't argue that this is true.

>>715252657
Must be tiring to constantly try to change reality. No one thought this game was 10/10 amazing. At best people said it was above average (which it is imo).

>>715290348
bro no one will fall for your samefagging LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>715289886
Well I'll have to try Bam Ham again then.

>>715252657
absolute TRVKE
based nooticer

>>715290410
Lel

>>715289886
>ACTUAL bamham games have really good combat
You're right and I'm tired of gaming with dogshit combat like tsushima getting compared to it

>>715290612
what trvke... ronin had positive threads for weeks if not more after it came to pc

>>715290705
>game goes on sale
>threads about game increase
Great job sherlock homo

>>715290623
Ain't tsushima combat kinda like nu-GoW? i mean in essence of they're boring and devs basically just need to add it ingame

>>715290828
This game already on sale before summer sale nigga, the 3 pack nioh-NG-RotR before summer sale with the same amount of discount

>>715290847
No. Its nothing like that.

The amount of seethe TN fans have for GoT is never not funny. TN game sales will continue to decline until they start simplifying their combat systems and shed their reputation for making overly complex combat mechanics. Something's wrong when you have to press half a dozen buttons to swing a sword optimally.

>>715291095
>bring up got in a ronin thread for some reason
>everyone laughs at you
>the amount of seethe etc
Let me guess, you were just pretending to be retarded

>>715290828
are you stupid

>>715288608
bro's ronin is straight up Momo

>>715289882
Based

>>715290623
If Sushi wanted to have good combat while still having something cut throat low health combat it would've had a lot more emphasis on enemies blocking attacks and not being so easily put off balance and having guard bars you can break super fast.

Brought it up earlier but I played a bit of way of the samurai last night, a game from 2002, and it immediately presented a more interesting combat system where tough enemies apparently love to block your heavy attacks while light attacks deal much damage, not just that though but when your are defending attacks you have to do a specific input afterwards to "push" the enemy off balance to actually get a guaranteed heavy attack but again you have to pay attention to the attacks and know when you can actually push back i.e. an enemy can do a single attack or do a 3 hit combo, I imagine some attacks probably can't be pushed back at all to punish and would need a dodge.

I don't know how later games evolve it but it seems like there is way way more emphasis on paying attention to your enemies compared to sushi combat where you have dodge into OHK counter, parry into OHK counter, and even one stance will fucking AUTO COUNTER specific enemy attacks WHILE YOU'RE ATTACKING

>>715291095
>TN game sales will continue to decline until they start simplifying their combat systems
Yes, more games should consist of holding L1+square for 40 hours like tsushima. Perfect for the modern console gamer

>>715291095
>JUST BECOME A CUTSCENE WATCHIN', PHOTO MODIN', WALK SIMULATIN', ONE BUTTON PRESSIN' CUM GUZZLER BRO
no ones is falling for your tricks

>>715252040 (OP)
>right
Everything involving the combat, missions, bossfights, character creation, skills, equipment, etc.

>wrong
Everything related to the open world and levelling up.

>>715252040 (OP)
why did this game had diablo loot?

>>715291384
This is just WotS combat then, not as interesting as RotR combat though i like WotS combat too

>>715291095
Team Ninja are probably the laziest and least inspired dev team out there right now. They've rehashed Nioh's combat and mechanics 5 times now, with a sixth one coming soon, and instead of meaningfully improving the quality of it they just feature bloat on top of it by copying whatever Fromsoftware does in their latest game. At this point Nioh's mechanics have a dozen mismatched Sekiro clone features and empty open world shit slapped on top and the result is soulless trash like Rise of the Ronin with PS2 graphics and the blandest samurai duels I've ever played. I'd rather play Way of the Samurai 1 again. Ghost of Tsushima lives rent free in the Team Ninja cultists on this board because it is everything their subpar game wanted to be and failed to.

>>715252040 (OP)
40 dollar game they charged full price for.
It looked and ran like trash while being a timed exclusive for the PS5. By the time it finally got to PC people didn't care anymore. Developers need to learn timed exclusive is horrible deal and they should run at a thousand miles.

I platted both Tsushima and RotR and I can't imagine arguing it has better gameplay than Ronin. After finishing Ronin I kept coming back to it for several months just to mindlessly play the game, fight enemies, try different weapons and stances. I didn't do the same for Tsushima. In fact, at the final act in Tsushima I was already completely sick of the insanely boring and repetitive combat system and all the shitty filler Mongol camps. Tsushima just has really pretty graphics, better atmosphere, more meditative (sometime), more interesting and varied open world side stuff like the shrines and poems. Ronin has the drop on Tsushima by fucking light years when it comes to combat. I'm sure Yotei will improve all the bad stuff in Tsushima and have much better combat since they're adding desperately needed weapon variety, matchlocks, and shaking up the open world design so that it's less repetitive, but even Yotei won't have the amazing combat of RotR.

>>715291767
>They've rehashed Nioh's combat and mechanics 5 times
Never played tn games award

GoT on lethal absolutely mogs RoR.
>but muh gorrilion movesets
and all of it is wasted on parryslopping hp sponges if you're underleveled, or just button mashing through every encounter if you're overleveled.

>>715291759
what are you talking about?

>>715291767
>rehashed Nioh's combat and mechanics 5 times now
BAD!
>Fromsoftware literally copy pasting their mechanic 6th time
GOOD!

>>715291767
>Team Ninja are probably the laziest and least inspired dev team out there right now.
(you)

>>715291952
>GoT on lethal
Put me to sleep. Because the shitty combat is over faster doesn't make it good

>>715268826
You should start learning about phases for the DLCs, they throw at you a couple ice bosses that are basically the hardest in the entire game. Anyway, the phases go water > fire > metal > wood > earth > water, so if you put on the ground one of those mud terrains (earth), they will completely negate any ice attacks that go over it.
To learn a boss element just observe their attacks: water, fire and earth are obvious, but wood and metal are kind of stupid, if they use lightning attacks it's wood, if they use poison it's metal. Anyway, as a general advice, get the mud puddle (earth), poison puddle (metal) and burning flamewave, with those spells you should be able to counter the nastiest shit. And get the water blink, it's a teleport and it's a fucking gamechanger, I'm not kidding, you will break the game with it. You can use it to get out of trouble if you're getting gangbanged, to keep pressure on a boss as a gap closer, to evade bullshit attacks.

>>715291975
The one hit kill stuff, basically in older WotR when you dodge enemy attack you can do that shit and you can chain them afaik

>>715289882

>>715291770
Weapons are just new version of stances (which they completely dropped). The weapons do stand out more than stances but it's still gonna have the system where specific options are just significantly better than others as shown in the demo.

I would not call sushi's world more interesting or varied tho. I mean technically speaking it has more activity types but that certainly doesn't mean they're interesting activities.

>>715292138
Thanks anon, will keep this in mind next time I play

>>715292052
eh he's got a point, Nioh was them copying DS, WL was them copying sekiro, RotR was them copying GoT

>>715292031
FS at least has good boss design

>>715252040 (OP)
why did they add a rock paper scissors mechanic to the combat styles?

>>715292247
The shrine hunts and poetry were interesting to me, the fox chases not so much.

In the end, even if you view them as less interesting, we're comparing them to RotR's here, which were absolutely atrocious. Each map had dozens and dozens of stuff like finding chests, taking photos, petting cats and whatever.

>>715292312
Inspiration =/= copy. Nioh took a more grounded approach to combat but that does not make it a souls copy.
Wo Long's only connection to Sekiro is them both having a parry system, everything else is stuff they've done in previous games or original
GoT is already an extremely unoriginal game so calling it a copy means nothing, since GoT is already copying a lot from other games. The only connection is "open world japan with styles".

It's only TN where people make claims like this that they're "copying" or "chasing trends" when they add a lot of their own originality to any of these ideas and greatly improves and/or innovates upon them. That is not copying.

I never played Sushima and dont really give a fuck about it but I'm dying to play this game, it runs well enough but I kind of want to update my pc before I commit to it but I don't feel like building a new pc so I'm stalling it I also dont really mind if I die along the way and never play it though.

>>715292703
nah it's blatantly them jumping on whatevers

>>715292382
As in what, looks? arguable. In terms of behaviour? you either roll for your life and pray you get a hit in or farm for hours on end, build a tank and start poking.

>>715292457
incentive to using other styles (in their mind maybe) although it's annoying in application but thankfully the prodigious dragon set cure that shit

>>715293039
why did that post
anyways its blatantly them jumping on whatevers popular. What's sekiro? Dark souls with jumping, stealth, no stamina and parries. Let's do that but with nioh, brilliant.

>>715292382
>zanzifart the misbeforgivenst
>30 second long combo of sperging with particle fx flying everywhere before he stops for 2 seconds
0/10 bait

>>715292382
Only sekiro

>>715293067
>>715293185
Legit skill issue

>>715292927
this was me until nioh 3 was announced, then I HAD to build a new rig which perchance let me play rotr. I have nothing else to use this new pc on though since the new monhun seems like ass

>>715252040 (OP)
They didn't get the OK to make their Dragoon Squadron DLC.

>>715293165
>anyways its blatantly them jumping on whatevers popular.
Yeah, like literally every single company in existence including your precious Fromsoftware. There is zero issues with doing that, not a single one.

>>715293287
Are you me, I bought a new pc the second nioh 3 trailer dropped and I'm playing ronin right now

>fromfags actually have the gall to come here and cry about muh plagiarism and trend-chasing
pretty hilarious when elden turd has WRITTEN BY THE GAME OF THRONES GUY plastered all over its cover and marketing, and is more or less a shitty BR clone nowadays.

>>715292703
GoT success afaik is because they're basically the AssCreed in japan which lots of people requested, while ubishit milking the franchise with another location but not japan, they're filling the gap. Their real test would be the Yotei

>>715293287
>>715293672
>New pc for nioh 3
Why, we don't even have spec requirements for it

>>715293727
Team ninja and from are close friends who copy each other. Remember from's ninja gaiden clone?

>>715293727
Mitsubishi sisters... it's over

>>715293790
You're absolutely right anon. We'll see how yotei goes

>>715293834
Because my old cpu and gpu were so shit I couldn't boot up ronin. I needed to upgrade anyway, nioh 3 is my excuse

>>715293727
Mindbroken NTshills will site a fucking deer as a rip off. All to cope with their 3rd rate studio designs being completely uninspired.

>>715293481
okay
and that's why anon called them uninspired

>>715294043
Yes, because he's retarded and doesn't know what that word means.

While it's mostly debate about "shits i don't like" i like how this RotR thread got pushed this far

>>715277023
I get it, but I enjoyed running through Japan and mastering all the different styles. The boss fights and co-op midnight challenges is TN giving us what they do best. I mean, NioH 3 is going to be more open than one may think. It's already RotR lite in every zone. It's okay that RotR exists with 'shortcomings'.

>>715273043
Ghost of Tsushima is basically every graphicsfag going "umm it LOOKS GOOD so IT IS GOOD" with a combination of baby's first samurai game. WotS, RotR, Onimusha, and Genji are way better samurai games.

>>715277023
You do not understand the vision of rise of the ronin.
There is no other game out there with an open world on this games scale that takes you across the 3 biggest cities in japan in a very specific period of japans history, while giving the player the freedom to heavily customize their character and use a wide array of not just weapons but weapon styles as well.

This is what Ronin ultimately wants to be. It is an open world Ronin simulator. Even if you want to claim sushi has a better open world or story or w/e the fact is in that game you are playing a samurai with one weapon melee weapon, your character is locked into a revenge story, and the world itself is very empty with very few settlements outside of copy pasted enemy camps. Way of the Samurai is the closest comparison to RotR, obviously, but again that game is not on the same scale nor is it's combat as good or has as much variety

>>715294410
Well any TN thread turns into talking about TN related games, not that i'm complaining

what was her/his problem?

>>715295648
The time period definitely needs more exploration. I haven't seen bakumatsu japan since shogun 2 total war dlc. Such a creative period

>>715252657
>Every.Single.Time
Death Stranding was one of the best games of the last 10 years though. In fact it had pretty much the opposite story, it filtered snoyboys on initial release and it wasn't until PChads got to play it that received its due appreciation.

>>715252040 (OP)
Thank God Team Ninja finally went back to Nioh so we can throw all these shitty half-assed mediocre Asscreed and Sekiro clones into the garbage bin forever.

>>715296305
>more open world sloppa with new perfect block (parry) sloppa
skip

>>715296305
Nioh 3 pinched st least 1 feature from all those games

>>715296028
I dunno, devs basically thought you need your twin to be the big bad but it's motivation for plunging japan into chaos is stupid because basically his/her hatred based on bakufu killing and destroying their home so logic wise they should've joined anti shogunate instead unless they're wanted to become foreign agents that want to colonize japan

>>715296028
Autism, i'm not sure but I enjoyed every boss fight vs them

No good coomer outfits.

>>715253745
damn they kept the gay diablo loot that sucks

>>715275126
youre saying this cause you know I have been since the games release on the pa5 posting my screenshots.

Step aside for the superior shinsegumi simulator

>>715299127
Looks like the cover art was drawn by nobuhiro watsuki

>>715299127
I want to buy Like a Dragon: Ishin while it's on sale, but I hear that game's not very good

>>715252657
Stop being a revisionist, this never happened. The few people who played it admitted it was mediocre but the main problem was barely anyone talked about it because the game was massively overshadowed by DD2 which released on the same day. Amusingly DD2 had barely any legs after people wised up to what a mess it was, which is even more embarassing.

>>715295648
qrd on this period of history? I know little about japanese history

>>715304629
Read bakumatsu and the followup that is meiji restoration, then read rurouni kenshin lmao

>>715270656
This is my biggest gripe to be honest.

it has the best combat of any of these open world slop games and thats a fact. the problem was that it was open world slop

>>715305459
the average /v/ poster can't understand TN combat so they don't even think of that as a positive, the combat itself outweighs the open world

>>715305651
yeah it if isnt press forward+B like smash these guys dont know how to do anything. /v/ used to be a little good at vidya but these days theyre barely above the lowest common denominators they hate

>>715304938
I started reading a biography of Saigo Takamori when I was playing RotR, and after reading about him being rather scholarly him showing up wielding a fucking club ingame was a bit jarring

>>715304629
It's all in the game more or less. It's an interesting period because japan is behind and being pressured by foreign countries to modernize and japan has been unified so there are no wars, leaving many warriors to wander as ronin.

>>715270656
>>715305240
I wish the game was popular enough to have somebody trying to mod the game. There are two fully functional fist styles in the game that the player just isn't allowed to have, exclusive to two allies

>>715296305
>decide to replay Nioh 1 before 3 since it's been so long
>get to Umi Bozu level
>decide to stop replaying Nioh 1
I don't even want to think about that poison mine level either

>>715307034
umi bozu's level is fun tho

>>715307283
>>715307034
I did a double take when I realized water isn't an intsa kill in rise of ronin

>>715252040 (OP)
Poor a opening reception. But like all TN games, it builds it's reputation with gamers over time.

>>715296028
She tried to resist but fell to Matthew Perry's BWC. My ronin got cucked.

>>715252040 (OP)
the performance is fucking dogshit even with the supposed "patches" they only released 4 updates since the game released and fixed absolutely nothing

>>715252791
it's not "bad". it's just ok

>>715314234
post specs

i was watching one or two streams on twitch when game was out and i thought it looked super fucking cool
now that it's released on PC im thinking of buying it but i see a lot of negative opinion about this game... so how is it really? what makes it bad in your opinion?

>>715268301
>but the lack of monsters and magic make it a bit boring.
this is such an npc criticism. it's not nioh. it's not obligated to have supernatural elements. it's a completely different game

>>715252040 (OP)
Need a smaller open world
More consistent factions so you don't just flip flop between them every tuesday (which means missables which is FORBIDDEN in this era of video games)
More stances/styles for other weapons than the fucking 1 katana
other than that still a really fun game and still better than the putrid dog shit that is Wo Long

>>715280425
>lock on parryslop
>spastic weapon switching for every combo
>animu 'special attacks' and 'muh super special reverse blade katana' technique
>stellar combat
On par with AC Odyssey 'but good cause japan'

>>715299127
oh shit, the guy on the right is a preset in nioh 2

>>715252040 (OP)
no magic = into the trash

>>715291384
>Talking about Tsushima's combat not having cut throat low health combat
>Is clearly not playing on Lethal/Lethal+

>>715252658
This keeps me from getting it. I mean, I thought the mixed reviews were going to be about different issues but holy shit no, its all about poor performance.

>>715315107
>no magic
It's full of anime magic bullshit look at >>715284839 and >>715280425

>>715314234
Runs fine on my machine.

desu I'm glad they got the open world bug out of their system with this game and Nioh 3 will be a more sane version of the idea instead of big fields of nothing

>>715252040 (OP)
Not polished and not a large enough sale to offset it's flaws

>>715252791
If you're interested in engaging combat with hit detection instead of fully canned animation, sure. The story sucks though. Characters are interesting enough.

>>715252040 (OP)
>what if we made Nioh but worse?

Funny when the shittiest TN game's combat is still way better than AC and GoT

Clearly by now just a tech demo for Nioh 3

As a Niohfag, should I get wolong or RoR? or just wait for Nioh3

>>715318692
I would just wait for 3 unless you're really itching for something right now, both are kinda mid.

>>715302824
>the game was massively overshadowed by DD2 which released on the same day

Will never understand why Sony and/or KT thought this was a good idea. Almost as retarded as WB opting to release Mad Max on the same day as MGSV and then acting shocked it underperformed.

>>715318692
Wo Long is good, it's Nioh-lite by way of Sekiro (jumps, parries and level design is much more vertical). Some people don't like it because the RPG autism and Diablo loot is toned down, meaning your NG+ runs won't be as interesting as Nioh.

Also a lot of people said the PC port was completely rubbish on launch, so maybe check it they fixed it or not before committing (PS5 version's fine for what it's worth).

>>715315189
You are some kind of double retarded because one, I wasn't saying it doesn't have cut throat combat, I was literally saying it does. Two, that is literally lethal, I don't know what in there makes you believe it isn't.

>>715318692
Hard to say. Wo Long has magic and demons but the combat is overall more different feeling with the parries, jumps, and no stamina. It's loot system feels like an improvement to Niohs imo.
Ronin feels closer to Nioh but it lacks demons, magic, and obviously is open world. It's loot and RPG mechanics are very very barebones, loot exists but it matters very little and the game only has one NG+ difficulty.

Really depends on what aspect of Nioh you like the most, magic/demons or great weapon combat. Both games have parries but they have different purposes.

I'm a slut for nioh combat and just recently updooted my PC, does this play well with KB+M or should I get a controller?

I hope Nioh 3 will let me have girlfriends too

>>715252657
Snooooyticer

>>715322384
wtf can you actually romance matthew perry

>>715323227
Yes

How big does the booba get in this game's character creator? Asking for a friend haha.

>>715314868
>On par with AC Odyssey
Bullshit, AC Odyssey combat is literally cycling between cooldowns and hitboxes so terrible you get hit by attacks even when you cycle behind the enemy before they finish their attack animation. And there's like 3 whole movesets that are shared between all of the enemies in the game.
See, I actually played both games so I can tell that you're lying.

Are you coming to Ronin only convention?

>>715252657
This never happened, you've just got a case of sony derangement syndrome.

>>715277739
>Ronin sold 2 million on PS5 and only 100-200K on PC
Maybe Team Ninja should just focus on Playstation and stop porting their games to PC completely.

>>715324642
Tbf the game was supposed to be a multiplat until sony bought it because they needed some heavy hitters last year.

>>715323531
there's some decent boobage but not many outfits that show it off

>>715324238
the what?

>>715324642
Lower numbers are normal, PC has always been a minority platform when it comes to video games, especially when games have to compete with millions upon millions of other titles dating as far back as the 80s. What Team Ninja should do is consider putting these games on Xbox platforms as well.

>>715325596
Stellar Blade also sold 2 million on PS5 but also 1 million on PC. It's just that PC keks don't care about TN games, so TN should just cut them off for good.

>>715252040 (OP)
its literally the best action game this year

>>715325148
japan ronin fan girls are holding an online convention to post their fanfics

>>715326083
Damn, had this game came out in the 2000s, we probably would have seen a lot of fat white girls do this too

>>715325972
faint praise desu

>>715296305
Sorry man they've fucked this game up too with a bunch of shitty new features

I'm getting kind of tired of constant Japan/China settings, I know it's their thing but I wish they would branch out and do something else some day.

>>715275308
Do you know my poetry?

>>715269780
i agree with this sentiment for most games. many people won't even touch a game that sits at mostly positive, myself included unless the game is really big.
>>715264931
that being said, funnily enough, i really enjoy FFXVI and am baffled that anyone would rate it negatively. the only real complaint i have about the game is that the cutscenes are long as hell and most of them are inconsequential. even then, the story is serviceable enough and better than most games

>>715327050
There are only 3 open world games set in older japan and all 3 are set in pretty distinctly different settings and eras. 3 total games.

kill yourself.

>>715327748
It's 5 games, you're dumb

>>715295648
The screenshot looks pretty good.
TN should work on the camera and filters so the game looks like that when you are outside of combat.

>>715252040 (OP)
The problem is that we don't need multiple open world games in japan. 1 is enough. And Ghost of Tsushima did it first.

Everything else seems like they jumping on the bandwagon because they saw it was getting popular.

>>715330074
We don't need multiple open world japan games, but we needed at least one with real gameplay.

>>715330074
That's (you)r problem.
>>715314234
Post specs, if it's a toaster then shut up
>>715306040
>Saigō is also reported to have had a favored geisha in Kyoto known as "Princess Pig" (Butahime) due to her portly figure, a match for Saigō's own considerable size.
Saigo is an architect bro

>>715318692
You like TN combat then get both. Beware though KT rarely give big discount

>>715325972
sorry but wuchink and dying light is coming

>>715322384
4 of the girls are used goods.

>>715318692
They're both good but they play nothing like Nioh, so don't go in expecting a similar experience.

>>715252040 (OP)
Nothing. Team Ninja is well known for for filtering normies

>>715331761
Wo Long is like the Dr Pibb of Nioh

>>715269780
The thing about "mostly positive" to me is that it usually means there may be something there but there's some serious fucking problems somewhere, like performance, third-party launchers, MTX and DRM or some other shit. Like Ghost Recon Wildlands, hardly a perfect game, but when people throw the negatives up, it's pretty much always about Ubisoft Connect and nothing else.

>>715331486
what's dying light?

>>715319065
What game is he playing?

>>715331486
If you mean wuchong, that looks pretty shitty as far as gameplay goes and devs are jumping the stellar blade coomer bandwagon. 0 confidence in their own game

>>715336626
>coomer bandwagon
Dilate back to r eddit desu.

>>715336362
One of them is RDR 2

>>715252040 (OP)
I thought it was the best incarnation of parry slop combat. Making your Heavy a Parry fixes the issue games like Sekiro have where people mash parry and fish for counters.

>>715267703
lmao, tsushima kicks the shit out of RoR.