Are Fallout and Fallout 2 good games in 2025?

>>715392289 (OP)
Fallout 1 has always been good
Fallout 2 has never been good

>>715392289 (OP)
What other rpgs have you played?

They were never good to begin with

>>715392416
Fallout 3

>>715392289 (OP)
1 still got some of the best game writing ever

>>715392289 (OP)
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>>715392516
Are you joking?

Both pretty good games

>>715392380
fpbp

>>715392289 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgG5QqZUzjY&pp=ygUQZmFsbG91dCAyIHNwb29ueQ%3D%3D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy3Q-JDljHg

BETRAYL

>>715392380
not much more to say really

Fallout 2 is fallout 1 with reddit humor

>>715392380
Harsh but true.

>>715392289 (OP)
What do you mean, you retard? It’s still the same fucking game as it was in 1997/1998. Nothings changed. But, I’m guessing you mean how does it compare to your modern games. Well, there are obviously more modern CRPGs right now that can satisfy your fried dopamine receptors better. But, I don’t think CRPGs can satisfy you anyways. Go take estrogen and play Fortnite instead

>>715392380
Explain

I tried fallout 1 out a few years ago and had a good bit of fun with it. the old gaphics were a little tough for me to get over at first but after a few hours it didn't bother me

>>715392918
Reddit and somehow shittier balance

>>715392918
FO2 is a bloated and rushed game with terribad writing. Quantity over quality when compared to FO1, basically.

>>715392918
Go back.

>>715393063
True and based but also I had fun

>>715393063
>terribad writing
How so?

I fucking hate tribals.

>>715392380
2 is worse than 1 but it's still one of the best crpgs

>>715392289 (OP)
Yeah they're both kino. I prefer 1s atmosphere and story, but 2 has much better gameplay. It's like comparing Robocop 1 vs 2.

>>715392289 (OP)
find a good build online and go play anon
they're cheap on gog or steam and you can easily pirate the gog versions if you don't like paying

iirc FO1 is more dependent on a meta/viable build and Fallout 2 you can branch out more. They're good games imo

>>715393063
>FO
That's how you know someone is a Fallout newfag. Back in our days FO meant Fallout Online

>>715392918
Im playing it after 1 for the first time and theres just something off about it. In 1 everything felt tight but here it feels like they just threw stuff in the game

>>715393063
True but I feel Fallout 2 has more highs than Fallout 1, but like you said, isn't nowhere near as tightly designed. Nothing in Fallout 1 compares to New Reno gameplay wise.

>>715393608
>yeah bro it's good (as long as you play right)

>>715393647
No one cares.

>>715392289 (OP)
Remember Fallout 1 is supposed to be played multiple times. You're not going to figure out everything on your first playthrough

>>715393736
that applies to a great many of different games friend, an RPG veteran (which I assume this anon isn't considering his question) can play FO1 without muh meta build but someone who's not used to games of this kind would have a better experience playing with one

>>715393687
>Nothing in Fallout 1 compares to New Reno gameplay wise.
Fundamentally untrue. People who helped Set, then killed the Master, then went back to Set understand

>>715392380
>Fallout 2 has never been good
Reddit opinion

>>715392289 (OP)
They're clunky with yucky graphics

>>715392380
>Fallout 1 has always been good
>Fallout 2 has never been good
They're literally the same fucking game. Just like Doom 1 and Doom 2.

>>715392289 (OP)
I love everything about F1, particularly the quests and they don't hold my hand and let me figure things out, BUT I don't care for the combat. It feels like no matter what build you end up with you'll just walk backwards and use the remaining AP to attack enemies. Maybe melee builds would just be spamming drugs, but I never touched them so I don't know if any replenish ap or give you better defense.

>>715392380
brown post :3

>>715395358
Doom 1 is way better though, 2 is very obviously a cash grab sequel

>>715392918
Because the beginning killing bugs, rats, and lizards with 50% chance to hit melee mindbroke him and ruined the game for him.

>>715392289 (OP)
Yes, they still mog 99% of modern CRPGs. It's sad how the genre has only regressed into linear story shit with restrictive player agency. I blame the popularity of JRPGs and movie games in the west.

>>715392289 (OP)
1 aged kind of poorly but is still good. short and simple.
2 is more large in scope but pretty unfinished and inconsistent in quality. Acts as a good sequel if you want more challenge and more complex quest design though

>>715396110
>1 aged kind of poorly but is still good. short and simple.
i feel like it aged better than 3, the graphics are timeless
only ADHD zoomers would get filtered by turn based combat

>>715396230
Not all turn based systems are the same. Some are good and some are bad. I dunno why RPGfags argue like every RTwP game is the same and every Turn based game is the same. It's very bizarre.

>>715396230
oh yeah 3 was poorly aged on release. 1 is mostly aged by how simple a lot of the design is and how small scale it is.
Classic fallout combat is just simple to a fault and most of the encounter design is bad. 2 benefits from higher difficulty, a higher level late-game, and more gear/perks

>>715392289 (OP)
>>715392584
why can't zoomers just form their own opinions by trying things out instead of adding noise that adds nothing to the discourse?

>>715392380
>>715393037
>>715393063
>>715393087
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>>715395576
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>>715396671
Hey, watch your fire anon! I was supporting Fallout 2.

>>715396671
Not an argument.

>>715397531
Yes, copying your favorite eceleb daddy's Fallout 2 retrospective youtube video essay is not an argument, kill yourself zoomer.

>>715397693
Never watched any videos like that, try again.

>>715392289 (OP)
Using sFall parameters, you can easily skip the temple of trials, pick up your pipboy and move on to the rest of the game. It requires modification of one parameter.

>1) Go into ddraw.ini
>2) Search for the variable "StartingMap"
>3) Remove the ";" and replace the starting map value with "arvillag.map"

https://www.nma-fallout.com/threads/skipping-the-temple-of-trials.213739/#post-4246560

>>715397759
Prove you played FO2.

How long did your 1st playthrough take, and how was your New Reno experience like on your 1st playthrough

Be careful with your answer, as this will easily trip up zoomer larpers who watched the game on youtube.

>>715397950
Who cares the temple takes like 5 minutes, literally a non-issue.

Yeah just turn the combat speed up all the way to the fast end. An aggroed rat making me wait for it to walk during it's attack turn had me worried for a sec but then I turnt the slider up and had a great time for the whole game, full recommendation.

>>715398003
Would you watch a 5 minute video on how to play chess if you have a high ELO?

>>715397983
>How long did your 1st playthrough take
Don't know.
>how was your New Reno experience like on your 1st playthrough
Became a ring fighter. Failed to become a pornstar. Became a made man with the family that had ties to Enclave (Salvatores IIRC), got free sex at the brothel and a laser pistol.

>>715397983
gayest post itt

>>715392289 (OP)
Theyre the only fallout games worth playing

>>715398442
Those are things you do in New Reno, but not what happened to your character. You forgot something major as well. Something that everyone should name as the first memory of that place.

Once again, we see the zoomer larper out xemselves.

>>715398531
Feel free to prove you played FO2. Describe something specific you remember from your playthrough that you did. It's clear you also watched it on youtube so you can only remember the abridged wiki description of the game.

What is it with zoomers and hating things they haven't even played, but pretending like they have? I don't understand this behavior.

>>715398635
prove i didnt fuck your sister you fat pussy

>>715398635
>"describe your experience"
>describe my experience
>"NO NO NOT LIKE THAT"
You're a dumb faggot with no arguments

>>715398921
The way you described new reno 1st playthrough is like describing the opening of fo2 and forgetting the temple of trials. You've embarassed yourself on a public forum, but since it's anonymous you can pretend you never made that embarassment so just quietly move on like everyone else who larps as having played the game instead of copying youtuber lets play opinions.

>>715392289 (OP)
Can anyone on this board ever authentic instead of trying and failing to be contrarian and funny?

>>715396671
That has been the sentiment on the internet way before youtubers. Fallout 1 is better for having a tighter, more focused storyline. I personally always preferred 2, though. Being able to become a porn star is a plus in my book.

>>715392289 (OP)
How the fuck are people REVERTING to bone nosed tribals living in tents after 200 years? How is this not worse than people living in shacks and shanty towns after 200 years? Speaking of things that Don't Make Sense, Year of our lord 2241, 160 years after the war and towns like Modoc are still shanty towns and Junktown is still a "Junk Town" by 2281.

>>715399040
NTA but if you're referring to highwayman shenanigans I don't even think most people get that on their first playthrough, at least I didn't
Also my first playthrough involved softlocking after fucking bishop's wife. Learned to keep multiple saves after that

>>715399106
No

>>715399106
FO2 in retrospective is even better, now that we know how most of the ideas it introduced like NCR and Vault Experiments became series staples, so no.

>>715398724
We had this since the beginning of history. We call them posers (losers trying to fit in where they don’t belong)

>>715399431
How did you even get to NR without the highwayman? You'd probably have to savescum the random encounters as opposed to just doing some busywork in the areas you already have unlocked while also clearing the side content.

WOW

>>715398724
If you haven't figured it out yet, it's how zoomers troll the boomers

>>715399164
Blame Mad Max. Shamanistic tribals in post apocalypse is probably the most retarded trope invented by the medium.

>>715397983
41 hours because I dicked around trying to find not-shit weapons for my build.
I remember finding a door I couldn't open to finish a quest and coming back waaaaaaaaay later.

>>715399164
If anything the game is too lenient with how little humanity regressed in 200 years

The tribals in Zion are more like what things should be. Imagine if you will, everyone who knows anything about anything is dead. No one knows how to operate machinery, no one knows how they work, no one knows how to read, no one knows how to write. They had to handwave that people know how to speak english perfectly because radios and holotapes still worked. 200 years after the apocalypse people would be rediscovering such basic knowledge as hunting and gathering, not building settlements and rediscovering civilization

>>715399658
Yeah it would've been save scumming or just being lucky/running from tough encounters
I couldn't find the part and got tired of searching cars/trucks so I just walked

>>715399687
critical rolls for enemies is fucking dumb
how the fuck do you even account for that

>>715400002
You beat the entire game without the highwayman? I dont recall the part being hard to find. The only time I had to whip out google for the game was because I was retarded and just straight up didn't see an NPC in the room so I missed talking to it, and wasted hours looking for the NPC I missed. Anyway you probably lost more time overall since the car is a 2nd inventory that lets you hoard, and also skip random encounters.

>>715392289 (OP)
>1
Combat is fucking miserable; story is pretty concise and enjoyable.
>2
Just more content in case you didn't want to blow your brains out during the last 2 dungeons in 1

New Vegas is a straight upgrade, inb4 dial 8 inb4 neo vagina

>>715392289 (OP)
They are arguably even better with quality of life mods such as Fallout Fixt. I never want to play Fallout 1 without it. Telling your companion to get the fuck out of your way is the best addition to the game.

>>715400130
With 100+ hp you can usually survive them pretty easily. I remember fucking up and having to kill Horrigan with all his turrets up, 4 turrets + Horrigan all using burst fire every turn. Maybe I got mega lucky but keeping your distance or just focusing the burst firing enemies basically guarantees you live most times you get crit.

>>715400262
No I didn't beat the game I softlocked shortly after getting to NR and didn't have a recent enough save
I started checking cars earlier on the second playthrough and got the highwayman with divine meta knowledge

>>715400290
NV being as good as it is is only thru sheer luck and also Todd creating the template for them that just works. I've since played bunch of obsidian's other games and sawyer's personal projects and they are basically unrecognizable in comparison. I am fairly sure John Gonzalez did most of the heavy lifting for FNV.

>>715392289 (OP)
Fallout as a franchise has never been good at all

>>715400527
NV is a happy accident
a natural 20 of game design
neither Bethesda nor Obsidian can even come close to recreate anything that good again

>>715399164
Fallout has always been inspired by post apoc books and the tribals and tech regression from the first games come from earth abides and canticle for leibowitz respectively.
This in fact exposes how nobody at bethesda today understands the genre since post apoc civilizations on the east coast are jokes and only nationwide factions seem to have any sort of sustance thus giving us the current BoS fatigue.

>>715400130
Enemies critting is fine but getting OHKO by enclave patrol before your turn feels bullshit every time
>>715400290
New Vegas is consolefag shit. Not even an RPG

>>715400703
Idiot.

>>715400130
>>715399687
The dude starts an end game fight with no health at all. Retarded webm.

>>715396671
Truthnuke

>>715399164
>How is this not worse than people living in shacks and shanty towns after 200 years?
I'll take you to places in America, a first world country, where this is commonplace.
>towns like Modoc are still shanty towns
Major US cities have huge sections that are rotting ghettos that make Modoc look like Dubai.
>How the fuck are people REVERTING to bone nosed tribals living in tents after 200 years?
You forgot how bad the Great War really was. The games actually have a problem with how similar many post-war societies are. Strange cultures like the various tribal, Legion, The Pitt raiders, Khans, and even the swampfolk from Point Lookout would be much more commonplace in reality. Any society that got really big might be completely alien after a clean slate. It's why I don't mind the Children of Atom that much considering I would expect such a weird cult to exist after a nuclear war basically destroyed everything everyone knew. Honestly rediscovering how to farm is great effort in itself. Don't believe me? Try hunting and farming and see if you can sustain yourself for a single month, let alone feed a tribe for centuries. Modern humans are so specialized that without them, things would never be fixed. Meanwhile, most of us don't know how to camp properly, let alone farm, survive in the wild, farm, fish, hunt, etc. Look at some of your coworkers and tell me they'd figure out how to farm and be willing to do that back breaking labor all the time.

>>715400703
>Enemies critting is fine but getting OHKO by enclave patrol before your turn feels bullshit every time
not only that, around Redding, there are claim jumpers that use big guns that can also OHKO you

it's why I prefer NV's style of skill checks
>have the appropiate skill level
>get to do the thing you're trying to do

>>715400827
>The dude starts an end game fight with no health at all. Retarded webm.
nigger, an enemy critical roll is borderline impossible to prepare for, it goes through armor (meaning it doesn't fucking matter how good it is)

I fucking love Fallout but they clearly had a retard take on that

>>715400527
>>715400620
Honestly I love New Vegas but I'd believe you. Outer Worlds was just okay and I don't know if anyone even played Avowed after the creators shot themselves in the foot arguing with people on twitter (Why would you ever do this). I did hear Avowed was halfway decent. I can play Outer Worlds after getting it for free via Epic Games but I really don't wanna play it save for watching a traincrash (it will probably be more boring than that)

>>715399687
Don't run up the the guys with miniguns faggot

>>715401030
>Avowed was halfway decent
Either the people you talk to were brain damaged or trying to own le chuds by playing dogshit

>>715392289 (OP)
FO1 is timeless
FO2 age like milk due to the amount of proto-Reddit cultural references which greatly date the game. Driving the Highwayman is kino, however.

>>715399687
niggers dump endurance and then cry when they get blasted by crits.

>>715401030
TOW was mostly microsoft forcing the issue because I can tell nobody in the team really wanted to make the game and it's just hanging off the coattails of a superior IP. Maybe if they never made the game right now we could be talking about Tim Cain directing a FONV2 but I'm guessing after the lukewarm reception and TOW2 getting greenlit the chances of NV2 or any sort of outsourced Fallout (besides FO76 since it's technically worked by 3rd party studios) is out of the question.

>>715399687
probably the only webm in existence of someone using normal shots without having a big gun

>>715400990
Shut the fuck up you stupid cunt, you can easily get 250 health end game and crits don't go through armor they just divide its flat and percentage resistance by 5.
You fucking suck at the game and crits are not a problem at all.

>>715400130
cry about it you stupid bitch

>>715400629
>This in fact exposes how nobody at bethesda today understands the genre since post apoc civilizations on the east coast are jokes and only nationwide factions seem to have any sort of sustance
Even in Classic Fallout the NCR was basically the only nation there is, and only exists thanks to the Vault Dweller saving them from evil mutants. Doesn't the lack of nations on the east coast actually support this? The NCR just got lucky. The CPG was killed in its cradle by the Institute and the Pitt is a shithole that dies to Troggs. Caesar's Legion is literally made up of a hundred tribes that were doing nothing until Edward showed up to unite them, and if he hadn't? The entirety of Arizona/New Mexico would still be an empty wasteland of tribals. If anything, Bethesda Fallout is too civilized and needs to be worse with all the bullshit going on everywhere.

>>715392289 (OP)
I played the first Fallout for the first time last year and it was awesome. Not even a zoomer, just never got around playing it before I guess

>>715392289 (OP)
Took me a long time to realise you could enter these caves during random encounters.

>>715403602
Is there ever anything besides scorpion conventions?

>>715403758
You can end up in new locations if you go all the way to the end

>>715400527
Wasn't Avallone part of NV? He was part of 2 (and 1, IIRC).

>>715399687
>walks around a corner and starts a 1v3 fight with barely any health
>wooow wtf i did nothing wrong i did everything correct

>>715399687
>37hp
asking for it

>>715403758
yeah. there's a table of enemies that can spawn like geckos, deathclaws and raiders.
the raiders are the best because you can score fat loot. but all the cave encounters are functionally there to grind xp.

I know I'm doing the zoomer thing but is Arcanum fun to play? With games like these it's best to ask upfront because they usually start out boring as fuck then get fun a couple hours in.

>>715404519
No lol. if you can get past how bad combat is there's a lot of love put into the world, quest and characters but it's a pretty poorly designed game. Also buggy so get the unofficial patch if you want to try the game

>>715404519
if you can get past the wolves at the start you're better at arcanum than avellone

>>715392289 (OP)
i played both last year for the first time and i liked them

>>715399687
>Mariposa with only 37 HP
>Without aimed eye-shots or turbo-plasma-fast-shots spam
Lol, lmao!

>>715392289 (OP)
i enjoy them both, people who dont usually are too young to be able to understand how to enjoy older games

Fallout 1 and 2 are more similar to each other than anything else out there and if you disagree you're a fucking YOUNGSTER who hasn't played, watched or seen anything. The plot holds up well but the plot is genre slop in both of them and if you disagree you're a fucking temporally challenged YOUNGSTER who judges Fallout as if every game in the series came out in 2025.
The most dated things are the stats and combat. APs and crits are everything, stack APs, stack crits, hit the eyes, pick a sniper rifle, get Ian/Sulik, hit the eyes and you're golden. There isn't any thought involved once you realize how it works. At least melee is kinda fun compared to some spiritual successor shit like ATOM RPG.
The companion roster is great and is arguably one of the best things about the games. The quests are fun. The graphics/audio design is great. Temple of Trials thingy is overblown because you don't have to fight anyone there. I'd say it holds up very well still. If you like the idea, go for it. If you really liked it, check out the mods. Get Restoration Project, it doesn't add anything that'd ruin your first playthrough.

>>715392380
>Fallout 1 has always been good
Yes.jpeg
>Fallout 2 has never been good
>pic related

>>715395149
>fallout 2
reddit humor

1 is great
2 is just good
If I was a dude at Bethesda right now, I’d be screaming that a Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel sequel that plays like 40k Mechanicus would sell like hot cakes
and then I’d use the clout from that to make my own Fallout 5 which would basically be a JRPG

>>715410952
>durr fallout 2 is le reddit
Fallout 2's references are shit that predditors would call racist misoginistic films/games
It couldn't be further from the truth, nigger.

>>715396671
Funnily enough Fallout 2 being better is actually the youtuber opinion

>>715392289 (OP)
yes and the mods for them are really good as well

>>715396671
>he didn't see the flaws in fallout 2 until youtubers came along so he projects it onto others

>>715411203
>>715411071
>t. fallout 2 is actually bad and here's why!

>>715411203
>Top 10 Reasons Why Fallout 2 Is Flawed

>>715395358
>It runs on the same engine therefore the quality of the content is similar
No wonder you faggots ate F2slop up on release with this retarded mindset

>>715411512
FO2 has insane HP-bloat compared to FO1.
As in 'children in FO2 have as much HP as FO1 raiders' sort of retarded.

>>715392380
2 had better gameplay but the writing was way more infantile

>>715411547
>"slop"
twitter ecelebrity word

>>715411039
>are shit that predditors would call racist misoginistic
post 3

>>715411619
if twitter ecelebs are calling fallout 2 slop then i'd agree with them

the talking deathclaws are too much.
the rest i don't mind especially since most of it is contained to special encounters.

>>715392289 (OP)
They are "games" designed for people who have never touched a video game before.

>>715411626
Mad Max (he's a straight White male, which is distasteful and we need a woman in charge
Lassie (From the 50's? Fucking sexist BIGOTS, probably INCEL NAZIS too back then)
1984 (Implying our governments are anything but the best thing ever? That's not very doubleplusgood of you, CHUDS)

>>715411718
>the talking deathclaws are too much.
Eh, the first game was supposed to have talking raccoon people.
Talking Deathclaws in context of Fallout is like Talking Dragons in DnD, which is actually very much a thing. They have the same role in the stories, big scary scaly monsters that live in caves and are myths.

>>715411847
>Mad Max
Arthur Morgan is a straight white male and is one of the most beloved video game protagonists
Mad Max
>Lassie
See above and RDR2 predates the 50s
>1984
Lefties literally hate the government, you're just talking shit
So nothing.

>>715392380
fpbp

>>715396607
Because there's a 40+ year backlog of CRPGs and it's hard to sort nostalgia goggles from quality.

Neither here nor there
Fallout > Wasteland on the Apple ][ > Fallout 2

>>715411718
They are only around for like ten minutes. Why are you so assblasted about them?

>>715411595
>>715411693
>>715411618
did you click like and subscribe to the video?

>>715412226
>did you click like and subscribe to the video?
Maybe you should try playing FO1 and FO2, and compare the HP values of entities in the game?
FO1 at most has you up against three regular-ass deathclaws.
FO2 will throw you up against 5 HP boosted 'tough' deathclaws.

>>715412226
Yes, they gave me ammunition against a game I hate that evidently makes fans of said game seethe, so they are based

>>715392289 (OP)
>The darkness of the afterlife is all that awaits you now.
>May you find more peace in that world than you found in this one.

>>715412201
too silly and you always run into em since theyre in the way of the main quest.

>>715392289 (OP)
no, no one like this games

>>715412394
>Yes
Good, that's 1 admitting already.

>>715411693
>>715412145
>>715412195
>>715412302
>>715412471
Now, your turn to admit.

>>715412471
It's juxtaposition you zoomer. Nothing "silly" about it. Same with this

>>715392289 (OP)
Yes.
Fallout is smaller but sizeable content and good introduction to the series.
Fallout 2 when it first release it was full of bugs but it's pretty good. In term of continuation of fallout and game it's you can say it's everything fallout was and bigger.

>>715412741
I recommend you play both FO1 and FO2 before talking about them more. You shouldn't rely on internet sources for games.

>>715392380
Anyone who says this has never played Fallout 2

>>715392289 (OP)
Honestly, sequels should just be illegal, by default. They almost always turn out badly, both for the consumer, as well as for the industry standard.

Can we just ban Fallout threads already? They're always fucking garbage and just competitions of who can have the most contrarian opinion possible.

>>715412741
Just play the games yourself. You don't even have to play much, just get to the first town and look around. You'll immediately see why FO2 is shit.

>>715412763
That's also silly and doesn't fit the original tone Fallout 1 set up, just like F2

>>715412741
Talking deathclaws are stupid shit dude.
I get that you love the games but that doesn't mean you have to fellate them. There's a reason why they never ever came back.

>>715410954
>If I was a dude at Bethesda right now, I’d be screaming that a Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel sequel that plays like 40k Mechanicus
There's a reason you don't work there

>>715393647
>I saw one image on the FO wiki and now I'm going to pose an an expert oldfag on vee!
And you would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for those pesky shitposters, and their stupid frog!

>>715413042
>There's a reason why they never ever came back.
Except they did, in FO shelter lmao
>>715413005
FO2 isn't shit, it has a lot of issues but it's a good game overall.

>>715413005
>>715412807
>>715413042
You didn't play the game.

And no, watching a let's play doesn't mean you played the game.

>>715412226
I don't give a fuck what Youtuber cunts say. They could all love Fallout 2 and I still wouldn't change my opinion. If you Youtubers tell you what opinions you are or are not allowed to have you're a fucking retard.

>>715392289 (OP)
Couple of years ago I played fo1 and loved it, then I went into fo2 and didn't love it. So that's my opinion. The tone in fo2 is very silly iirc.

>>715413102
You should play Fallout 1 and 2, they're good classic games. Instead of looking at pictures of them online, play them!

>>715413104
Sure. But wait what's this?

>>715412394
>Yes, they gave me ammunition against a game I hate that evidently makes fans of said game seethe, so they are based

>>715413102
>5 and a half years ago
Yeah you don't even remember anything. You're just regurgitating opinions you think you remember having. Try actually playing the game some time this century.

>>715413147
I already did and killed Horrigan without losing a single party member in the process, you should play the games instead of seething about them using youtuber opinions.

>>715413202
> You're just regurgitating opinions
At least they're my own.

>>715413156
>My opinions are so rigid that even when presented with information that may influence my stance I refuse to change my mind

>>715413264
>and killed Horrigan without losing a single party member in the process
You know you out yourself as a tourist when you say retarded shit like this lmao.
You can beat Horrigan without firing a shot, he's not a hard bossfight at all.

>>715413326
>>715413339
>you didn't play the game
>WAIT NO YOU PLAYED IT BUT YOU DON'T REMEMBER PLAYING IT
and yet you havent played it at all, just watched a "Top Fallout games ranked" by some broccoli hair

>>715413484
Can you please play FO2 to the end, that'd be cool anon. I know it'd be difficult for a youngling like yourself.

>>715412741
Dude I was a teenager when Fallout 2 came out. Even then the writing was cringe. If anything later games and YouTube elevated my respect for it, but it's still fucking annoying.

>>715413484
I googled this fallout ranking video that you keep bringing up just to see what they hell you're talking about and what do you know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uDsC5lHczg
he actually has F2 in a higher rank than F1. FASCINATING!

>>715413552
>>715413572
And yet, FONV is a direct sequel to FO2 and not FO1.

>>715413025
Juxtaposition zoomer
We are talking about talking deathclaws not your limited understanding of F1 and F2.

>>715412961
It's insane how toxic the classicfags are, it's almost like they don't even like the series.

>>715413684
>tranime poster
yes please tell us more you're opinion holds so much value anon!

>>715413754
I haven't' played 1 or 2. Never did, never will.

>>715413684
They're just posers who want some weird form of cred for having played/pretended to play an old game. Then revel in pointing out others who totally didn't play it (but I did, aren't I so cool? where's the upvote button on here I'm used to RPG codex)

>>715413672
might have something to do with the fact that fo2 is also a sequel??
making it a sequel to 1 would mean retconning 2 and no one is asking for that.

>>715413672
>FONV is a direct sequel to FO2 and not FO1.
it's a sequel to 3 as well

>>715413025
FO1 had godzilla, Dr Who, and Elvis space aliens references. Talking Deathclaws is not out of the ordinary for such a weird world.

>>715413953
fo1 is irrelevant.

pretending fo2 is bad while wanking fo1 is hilarious.

>>715413910
>They're just posers who want some weird form of cred for having played/pretended to play an old game
If that's the case then why do we argue which is the better of the 2? Wouldn't it be more beneficial to just fellate both if we just like them because they're old games?

>>715413684
They're the same kind of people that pretend Planescape Torment is a good game. They're more interested in the idea of having played a vidya than playing a vidya.

>>715393063
Retards secondary opinion.

>>715414009
>comparing missable easter eggs to main story content
this is why no one takes you folks seriously

>>715392289 (OP)
They weren't good games when they released. 1 is better than 2 though.

>>715414026
Why don't you apply to Bethesda and make a fallout game?

>>715414005
nope. fallout 3's sequel is fallout 4. both are about ECBoS, and even feature same characters.

same way FONV and FO2 feature same characters.

>>715392380
Old /v/ preferred 2 to 1
Hating 2 is a newfag opinion

>>715414026
Because it's an opportunity to flex your superior gamer experience and say the other guy hasn't played the games or something.

>>715414094
I already got 3 good fallout games, I don't care about the franchise anymore I've moved on and I have no interest in game development. What's the point you're making?

>>715414080
>Missable
Unless you're speedrunning you're going to see most if not all of them lmao.
Tourist keeps outing themself.

>>715414168
Fallout 1, New Vegas, and Fallout 4? I agree.

>>715414152
If I'm liking games just because they are old then why do I like Fallout NV more than 3? Preferring 3 gets me more oldfag cred than New Vegas so why not?

>>715414136
Feeling the need to align yourself with what this /v/ person thinks is newfag behavior

>>715414310
FO3 isn't grognard approved, NV is the nostalgia bait game that gets on 3x3s and top RPG lists

>>715414342
>Perpetuating chan culture is newfag behavior
Lolwut

>>715414180
You're luck effects the amount of easter eggs you get on the world map. It sounds like you only played the game once.

>>715413672
>muh world building
The lowest form of story telling. Very little about FO2 makes NV good. Primarily the soundscapes. You could've had the same people make Wasteland 2 with mostly the same characters and it would be just as good.

>>715414370
So it's not actually about liking old games for credibility like you said in your original post, It's about liking games veterans of the genre like. Hm, I wonder if there's a reason why those veterans place these games on a pedestal. Maybe it's because they're just actually fucking good?

1 holds up better than 2, particularly if figuring it out yourself without any guides or hints. 2 is made with the assumption that you've played 1 to death and will play in a way that cheeses the game mechanics.

>>715396448
2 is a mixed bag gameplay-wise. The encounters are most interesting but there is a ton of HP inflation and power creep. They have the old FO1 assault rifle alongside a bunch of awkwardly named real guns that are way more powerful. Random raiders can survive a direct RPG hit because it's a FO1 weapon. The laser pistol shouldn't exist. Stuff like that. FO1 felt more cohesive in every way but I can understand 2's appeal despite its jank

>>715414613
Maybe, but I guess you'll never know unless you actually play them yourself. Hope you find out one day, anon!

>>715414390
Your luck affects it, but not by that much unless you're running a retarded 1 luck build or something.
You WILL see most of them in your average playthrough, and all of them for a first-time run.
Please stop ousting yourself as a tourist, stop reading wiki articles and JUST PLAY THE GAMES!

>>715414881
God Bethesda's front covers are so noncreative, just brotherhood of steel guys for every game lmao.

>>715414881
2/10
apply yourself

>>715414521
Retard

>>715414930
>just brotherhood of steel guys
like the 3 previous titles before 3 released?

>>715414881
good morning saar

>>715414881
>no fallout shelter
my ass/your sandwich

>>715414854
>Your luck affects it, but not by that much unless...
>unless...
Holy shit you're a retard. You're proving my point that the shit is missable and yet you still think you have a point. Kill yourself

>>715392289 (OP)
I liked Fallout 1, didn't even finish 2. I just found it annoying.

>>715415008
why are you even posting when you know so little about the games?

>>715415008
>like the 3 previous titles before 3 released
Umm... no?

>>715415056
The money Shelter generated was fucking insane
>On the day of its release, Fallout Shelter became the third-highest-grossing game in the iOS App Store.[56] By July 16, 2015, two weeks after release, the game earned $5.1 million (equivalent to about $6.8M in 2024) in microtransaction sales.[62] The game grossed $100 million (~$118 million in 2023) in lifetime revenue by June 2019.[63]

>>715415008
Holy shit you ESL's really haven't played Fallout 2.
This is going to sound like a shock to you, but the FO2 main cover is not a BoS dude.

>>715414881
>fallout 2 not in the "main" series
wut? you literally play as the grandchild of the Vault Dweller

>>715415150
>>715415119
>>715415216
Fallout 1, Tactics and BoS have the Brotherhood on the cover.

only newfaggots who never liked fallout in the first place discredit fo2. and fo1 is only on their radar because todd talked about it when marketing fo3.

its the game that added the most lore to the setting by far and drove the plot forward the most.
>muh talking death claws
youtuber opinion or redditor who watched a lets play and only absorbed the exaggarated redditor reaction from the lets player.

>>715415248
>retard is sincerely thinking anyone gives a fuck about tactics and BoS
Come on now.

>>715415248
>the 3 previous titles have BoS on the cover
>conveniently skips Fallout 2 and jumps straight to Fallout 1
Well anon, the 3 previous titles would technically be F2, Tactics and BoS

>muh youtuber opinions
why do retards love using this self report?

>>715415248
Nigger just escape the thread already.

>>715415248
wrong
stop posting and play the games mongoloid

>>715415458
where do you think these new waves of "fo2 is actually bad because umm.. popculture?" opinions are coming

Anons have finally developed enough mental horse power to realize that the BoS is on three of the four covers of the franchise before Bethesda even bought it.

>>715415548
I haven't watched those videos, but isn't you seeing praise for Fallout 1 as Fallout 2 slander just stemming from your own insecurities of the flaws of F2?

>>715415548
The top two videos are from known Bethesda shills. What's your point anon?
FO2 is a fine game but it's also fine to prefer the more basic and straight forward premise that FO1 had. Personal taste is a bitch huh?

>>715415290
I like how all I did was mention that I don't like talking deathclaws and a hoard of stupid faggots are trying to make it seem like I don't like fallout 2.

>>715415548
That was a common opinion at the time it came out too. FO2 was only broadly celebrated after 3 and NV made the franchise popular again. Then people went back and played FO2, and it turns out most of them still find it annoying.

>>715400130
This.
You can't even do Navarro or the ENDGAME DUNGEON without stealth because otherwise the turrets will crit you and instakill you so instead you just walk right past every enemy
FO2 is great early on but god damn does it fall apart later

>>715415612
youtubers shilling their opinions and watching those opinions proliferate among the retards of the fanbase is something im used to

>>715415621
whos talking about preferring one or another? i am talking about eceleb watching zoomer niggers that just repeat mindlessly an opinion without having played the games.

>>715415715
if anything fo2 is now even more relevant than fo1 ever was, considering FONV draws heavily from it.

>>715415781
>if anything fo2 is now even more relevant than fo1 ever was, considering FONV draws heavily from it.
Are you retarded anon? This is what we call sequels. But perhaps you weren't aware because the actual Fallout 3 has very little to do with the previous entries.

>>715392289 (OP)
1 is kind of short/simple and 2 is pretty rough around the edges in regards to balance and writing
Still better than any of the 3d games in the current year though

>>715415548
>thumbnails praising fallout 1
>somehow perceives this as fallout 2 bad
the only way you could know these videos are shitting on fallout 2 is if you actually watched them yourself, anon

>>715415884
>the actual Fallout 3
cope harder

>>715415781
oh, and the TV show as well btw. actually fo3 as well considering they ran with the whole enclave bad guys thing as opposed to super mutants bad guy. and the vault experiments thing being at front and center.

if anything, fo1 is the less popular game in the modern fandom aside from contrarian posers, and the new wave of youtuber contrarianism tries to cash in on the posers of the fandom and detracting fo2

>>715415781
>if anything fo2 is now even more relevant than fo1 ever was, considering FONV draws heavily from it
You can read everything you'd ever want to know about FO2 for NV purposes from wiki pages in a few minutes. The lore just isn't that deep.

>>715413684
>it's almost like they don't even like the series.
They don't, and they shouldn't. Fallout has been total trash since Bethesda got their hands on it, it would have been better off as a dead IP after Tactics, and anyone that would disagree with those statements is a natural slave.

>>715416101
>after Tactics
Tactics was never finished, I don't why people even pretend to like it

>>715415945
>Here's a picture of my favorite game dev with 3 ugly 40+ year old women
Wow, what a great reply. Here's another picture of Todd you might like.

>>715416034
fo2's legacy is heavily plastered over fonv, fo3, fo4 and fo76. although fo76 takes more from fo1 admittedly.

fo1's main legacy is the bethesda obsession with BoS and the drab atmosphere of fo3, which they moved away from decades ago.

>>715416170

>>715416165
It's a fine game, I just use "after Tactics" to basically mean "after Interplay died". I guess a better way of putting it would have been "Fallout should have died with Interplay" or something like that.

>>715416034
>silly=underage

>>715416232
Looks like the companion image to a creepypasta

>>715416172
meant for >>715416007

>>715416232
>todd the hag fucker
with all that money you'd think he'd be able to do better

>>715415758
for the love of god bro please stop treating endurance as a dump stat.
you should be walking into the oilrig with over 200 health.

>>715416402
>do better
Don't act like you wouldn't

>>715414136
Oldfags were fucking retards though that are basically reddit

>>715392289 (OP)
they're the only fallout games worth playing
(TCMs for 2 count)

>>715415948
>if anything, fo1 is the less popular game in the modern fandom
Because modern fandom doesn't actually play anything before NV, or maybe 3 if they're really adventurous, and 1 lore is a small subset of 2. 1 basically doesn't exist in their lestsplay excerpt youtube lore vid understanding of the older games.

I always thought Fallout 2 was superior to Fallout ` until I finally played them. Fallout 2 should have murdered the ip into the ground. Genuinely pitiful game in terms of narrative and world. The gameplay is a bit better when glitches are ruining it but man I came to the realization that no body who talks about this shit has likely played it within a decade of talking about it if at all. I"m even getting a bit pissy just typing in this thread. The game is flooded with painfully dated references and jokes to the point where I'd say the script is Rick and Morty tuned. I can just fucking hear that kike Seth Rogan taking over the narration for like 1/4th of the characters to better with the poor quality dialog I was forced to endure. I almost didn't finish it and pulled out a guide to rush the game over. It was fairly decent until I left Klamath and it basically tried to make me hate it (and succeeded).

>>715415945
>no redhead
keep telling yourself that

>>715392289 (OP)
The only good fallout games

>>715413905
>im fucking retarded and proud!

>>715416643
he married one

>>715404519
Arcanum is probably the best implementation of classless RPG Fallout formula if we don't count modders. With real-time mode (as intended), the combat is fun enough to never be "bothered" by it. It's there, it makes sense, it's consistent, it's neat. The quests and the world are also very good.
The problem is that it has a lot of mechanical depth underneath it and it's a very fun game to break and go around and do incredibly fun things, but it doesn't demand much from you, so most people don't interact with like 80% of the game's mechanics and complain that it's boring. Read the manual before playing the game.

>>715395358
Nope.
Stick to shooting things.

>>715416782
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/rpg-codex-interview-chris-avellone-on-pillars-cut-content-game-development-hierarchies-and-more.121588/page-67#post-5594637

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/rpg-codex-interview-chris-avellone-on-pillars-cut-content-game-development-hierarchies-and-more.121588/page-8#post-5590121

I'm surprised more of /v/ doesn't know that Avellone hated Obsidian

>>715392380
10/10 bait.

>>715416960

>>715414041
> pretend Planescape Torment is a good game
Hmm, alright. Let's see why it's bad, then.

>>715413684
>t's almost like they don't even like the series.
At this point Fallout has way more shitty games in it than good rpgs.

>>715416626
i meant more in terms of what fallout even is or what people expect out of it. fo1 is less about the political conflicts, the quirkiness, the world building etc. its an insular experience thats extremely removed from what fallout is to most people, par the superficial.

>>715416637
1000% If a game with Fallout 2's humor released today, /v/ would eat the devs alive

>>715417112
>i meant more in terms of what fallout even is
A crpg that tries to emulate tabletop rpgs set in post-apocalyptic USA.
Fallout hasn't been Fallout since FO2 and arguably even 1.

>>715416637
I think it's a schism between storyfags and gameplay enjoyers. I prefer 2 for having more depth overall, don't really care that the writing and tone is shit. Same reason I enjoy ATOM RPG because mechanically it's very good even though there's a bunch of silly writing in that game.

>if you don't like fallout 2... you never played it!
what is this cope? like why would someone play 1 and then not play 2?
>inb4 muh ecelebs

>>715416782
>>715416901
NTA but the people who played fallout 1 and fallout 2 and considered themselves "Intellectuals" above other people and that these incredibly easy to understand RPGs were a test of mental acuity, and make them members of some special smart kids club, should have been ostracized from society and publicly condemned before being fed to lions

>>715392584
Just answer the question you pedantic fuck

I'm glad you "no spoonfeeding" faggots are getting replaced

>>715411618
2’s writing was more juvenile but the first game had to pare down a lot of its writing like an introduction to RPGs, which is why every town has NPCs who explains moral choices in a very flat voice.

>>715417313
>Just answer the question
They're not good games in 2025. Wait until 2026. They are only good games on even numbered years.

>>715415646
>black guy
>steals your car
neva gonna fly today

>>715417301
if you didnt like fo2, then you are a secondary yes.

>>715396607
>Just buy mindseye and play it to find out if it's good or not, why do you need others opinions on it before you blindly purchase it?

>>715417670
who are you quoting

>>715417594
To be fair I think most people like fallout 2, were just tired of it being hoisted as the better game when it's so blatantly flawed

>>715416782
> hasn't worked on Fallout 1
> worked on New Reno (very nice) and Vault City (lmao) in Fallout 2
> his biggest contribution to the Fallout universe is the worst written non-Bethesda character in the entire series
What's his authority?

>>715417723
I'm using the logic of the person I quoted in an analogy to explain why it's retarded

>>715415945
Not once did I even imply that you dolt.
I was stating the obvious that a game taking place in the same area as the previous ones would follow the same story as opposed to one that takes place on the other side of the country.
Hell I actually LIKED Fallout 3 despite it's flaws.

>>715417779
>What's his authority?
He's a serial hardcore rapist (recidivist)

>>715417873
Alright, I was wrong. Let him speak.

>>715417594
and?

>>715417948
Rance is a consensual sex enjoyer.

>>715417795
k

>>715417305
You say this, but the average normalfaggot is not capable of comprehending the themes of Fallout 1, so those so called smart kids might have been right on the money.

>>715418241
>the themes of Fallout 1
capitalism bad

>>715418269
Case in point.

>>715417230
Lots of things have value of you look at them through the right autism goggles, but that doesn't make them good in a general sense. Fallout has almost perfect execution. It's one of those games like Portal or Chrono Trigger that you can just recommend to people without qualification.

>>715417996
is it still ok if it only becomes consensual halfway through?

>>715392289 (OP)
I like them. It's different playing both games though, in 1 there's always a time limit beating down on you - gotta save the Vault and then gotta save the whole Wasteland, there's a sense of impending doom where if you just fuck around too long you'll get a worse ending - and I like that a lot. Fallout 2 makes it seem like there's a time limit, but there really isn't, so if you go in knowing that, the lingering fear that you're taking too long doesn't set in and you can enjoy the world a little more. I like a lot of the locations, characters, and stuff in Fallout 2, especially The Highwayman - but I will admit, I like to keep my sex in games in sex games, and New Reno is nothing but hookers and drugs. IIRC you can prostitute yourself out in Fallout 1 for caps if you play as a woman, but I'm a man and I play as a man in video games, so I don't ever see that happen in my playthroughs. Fallout 2 is a little hokey, but it's still good. You can play through both games with only your mouse. I like doing BB Gun runs.

>>715418269
>themes of Fallout 1
>capitalism bad
lol. lmao even. did you even play the game?

>>715417779
he was always a faggot that took more credit than he deserved, and after mask of the betrayer he hasn't done anything of note, just grifting in other studios as a stretch goal for mediocre EAs, his contribution in torment numenera was some shitty comedy character for example, not that the game was any good as a whole

>>715418269
>>the themes of Fallout 1
>capitalism bad
the actual theme of fallout 1 is "wedoalittle too much"

>>715415884
>because the actual Fallout 3 has very little to do with the previous entries.
let's see

BoS front and center with a direct descendant of the BoS's founder, recycled enclave plot almost beat for beat, recycled the water element, GECK mcguffin hunt, and then the evil AI overlord from tactics, and a bunch of nonsensical memberberry stuff like harold

it's literally just the "greatest hits" of the previous 3 games, recycled almost beat for beat but just mixed and slapped together. the elements they added are mostly nonsensical like the eldrich horrir shit and vampires

>>715418304
>>715418403
>>715418537
0wn3d

>the definitive way to play fallout 1 is to port it to the fallout 2 engine in 2025
Simple as

>>715416165
> Tactics was never finished
Come on, they had to reuse a lot of assets for the later part from that sci-fi game they never got to finish and they had literally one day of QA testing, but it was complete. I'd say that the game largely delivers on the idea of post-apocalyptic Spetznaz tactical action (though working through classic Fallout formula was a strange decision), especially with the mutants (Bishop Defcon and the initial assault where you pick up wounded Brotherhood troops were pure KINO, among other things), though the robot missions and the insistence on speccing into energy weapons is a bitch and a half considering that lasers and plasma aren't a projectile but look as such. Had my fun with it.

>>715418806
nta, to be fair beth did add ghouls in fridges to the lore, their original contributions always knock it out of the park

>>715418827
Anon...

>>715418537
>>715418715
it basically is capitalism bad. or more specifically unregulated capitalism bad. lorewise prewar USA was like mainland china during the gpu mining craze. every private citizen had a nuclear powered car, sustainable energy was never developed and megacorporations made sure to over exploit until the planet ran out of non renewables and then everyone killed each other.

>>715418827
>emil at the 55iq scale
kek

>>715418923
thats obviously not canon, in fo4 they also have ghouls farming the land so its just a slip up because they write quests with a dumb process.

>>715417305
Is that why people don’t know that the main theme of the game and series over is “War never changes” despite the fact that it’s said at the fucking beginning and end of every single game?

>>715418923
I don't really think that's new. There's a few buried alive ghouls in 2

>>715418827
china is basically late stage capitalism in 2025 so it's not a stretch to say they were in 2077 as well.

>>715419045
not interested in realism about a game with ghouls and super mutants

>>715419102

>>715419069
one was buried in golgotha, but not for 100 fucking years

>>715419160
>>715419069
Again, the FO4 ghoul in a fridge is just a dumb oversight. Ghouls need to eat and drink, they have a farm in FO2, so the buried ghoul is just a dumb oversight, or alternatively he was only buried for a short while.

>>715392380
TRUE

>>715418976
Money printing precludes capitalism. US government in Fallout is center left authoritarian, and Fallout 2 is full City of London conspiracy realist.

>haha you only hate fallout 2 because youtubers said it's bad
>i on the other hand love fallout 2 because youtubers said it's bad
contrarians are the lowest lifeforms on the planet

>>715392289 (OP)
1 y
2 n

>>715420427
>>715417301
go cry to your eceleb daddy

>>715392380
fpbp

>>715420938
>>715420471
>>715419626
>zoomer that never played the game

>>715420825
uh oh hes mad lol

>>715421373
>cant refute what is being said
>"u mad"
no u

>>715421414
refute what you retard?

>>715421587
>doesnt even understand the argument hes trying to make
>still thinks he can win
just give up

>>715421708
You literally didn't even make an argument dude, you just said "go cry to your eceleb daddy". How do you expect anyone to "refute" you when you haven't made an argument to refute.

>>715392380
This

>refute
>argument
>win
niggas think the internet is high school debate club

>>715422204
does that statement exist in a vacuum

>>715422330
Typically when someone makes an argument they have to back it up with evidence to support that argument. So I guess if you want me to refute the argument that "people only hate fallout 2 because of youtubers" then I'd simply say what's your evidence to support this?

>>715422330
Technically everything exists in the vacuum of space.

>>715422426
blah blah

you haven't played fallout 2 and you think it's bad because you watched a youtuber opinion piece on it from a guy who played it 20 years after the fact and got filtered like you did

>>715422564
Yes I already know what your argument it, now I'm asking what evidence you have to support it.

>>715422596
why do you think i care about proving some random retard with a parroted opinion has a parroted opinion

in the offchance you played it, you got filtered, most likely you never played it like all the other retards with the same filtered retard's opinion that couldn't get past the temple of trials

simple as.

>>715422659
I thought you wanted to have a debate?

>>715422752
explain in your own words what is so bad about fo 2 then big boy

>>715415223
this is bait anon

>>715422824
You told me here >>715421414 to refute your argument and that's what I'm trying to do. My refutation is that you have no evidence to support your argument that people only hate Fallout 2 because of youtubers. When asked for evidence you gave none. Am I to believe you have none at all or are you just withholding it for some reason?

>>715422947
so you have nothing?

>>715423039
No if I had nothing I'd just respond with "blah blah" and then restate what I already said earlier

>>715423130
see >>715422824

>>715423207
see >>715422426

>>715423641
See these nuts

>>715395358
This must be bait. Doom 2 is atrocious compared to 1.

>>715399439
>>715399523
What do you mean "no"? Everything in that post is factually correct.

>>715427228
No

>>715392380
I disagree
>better locations
>more balanced RPG mechanics (Charisma does something)
>more varied quests
>far better companions
>the highwayman
People just shit on Fallout 2 because a tardis encounter is fine but two monty python references is too much, also The Master is better than The Enclave I'll give that.

>>715428908
>800x600)

>>715429296
The games really do look beautiful on a CRT.

I dont understand the gripe about talking deathclaws? there would definitely be people experimenting in the post apocalypse and I do believe Big MT is a thing. They're no more crazy than super mutant that can talk

>>715431193
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/FEV_experiment_disk
>We have infected 218 rabbits with FEV. Half of the subjects were implanted with electrodes to monitor EEG activity before and after the infection. Increased electrical activity in the brain was noted in 3.2 seconds (on average) after injection.

>We have infected 53 raccoons with the new strain. In addition to the now expected size increase, behavioral tests confirmed an increase in intelligence and manual dexterity by 19 points on the Schuler-Kapp index.

>Several lab strains of white mice have been infected successfully with FEV... In a surprising finding, the infected mice were found to run mazes in less than half of the time of the control group.

FEV can canonically increase the intelligence of animals. So it's definitely not a canon issue. I think people just hate the talking deathclaws because Fallout is primarily focused on the humanity of it and having another sentient species gets in the way of that.

>>715431398
it's because deathclaws are a scary presence in the wasteland. turning them into friendly vault dwellers is a bit lame for some people

>>715428908
Im always pissed that when modders try to add Fallout 1/2 stuff to newer games like new Vegas or Fallout 4, they fuck it up and cant make it look right.

I think the only time I was impressed with old guns being added to new games was when New Vegas added the Bozar in some DLC and it looked exactly like the old sprite.

>mfw seeing it for the first time in new vegas, like seeing an old friend after 20 years

>>715392918
It's just retards repeating opinions they got from Reddit and shit. If you like FO1 you'll like FO2 because it's basically the same game. You can tell that they never actually played because they don't bring up the goofy-as-fuck Scientologist expys when they talk about the game being "too memey" or whatever, which is the only place where that complaint is actually valid.
In general, the games are fun if you like 90's crpgs - but not for the build autism - and will probably bore the fuck out of you otherwise. Play FO1 until you get through Shady Sands; if you don't like it by then, play something else.

>>715431618
Yeah, I do think this was an issue for people. The Deathclaws were built up as a thing of legend in Fallout 1, so to see them in V13 in Fallout 2 talk to you killed that impression. But I will say that Deathclaws became known knowledge by the time of Fallout 2. Kinda like how we see platypuses today. I also think you could keep the hyper-intelligence aspect of the Deathclaws but not have them speak english. Maybe when you first encounter Gruther, he should have spoke in a native Deathclaw language, adding an element of uneasiness for the Chosen One.

I'd say the deathclaw companion ruined that mystique I try to avoid him on subsequent playthroughs

>>715428908
People who shit on FO2 90% of the time haven't even played it. They're just copying what they think the cool kids are saying. Fallout is exposed to so many retarded normies and zoomers that won't even look at FO1 + FO2 but still want to be part of the conversation somehow.

>>715431890
or... people just like it less than fallout 1
its not that deep bro

Tactics is my favorite I love that drill sergeant that sets up the missions

>>715431628
I think it's because when you add the old guns it still doesn't fit the new assets of 3/NV/4. You'd also have to mod in the old Mr Handy bots, and the old style Vaults, and the old Vertibirds, etc. etc.

>>715431398
>>715431193
It doesn't even feel out of place in game when you come across it. The talking animals shit is par the course for DnD, and doesn't take you out of it.

>>715431647
The hokey atmosphere is what makes FO2 good. It's like the whole game is made by frat boys munching on pizza while working and having a competition who can have the most retarded ideas get approved by corporate.

>>715392289 (OP)
No.
None of the alleged fanboys played it either. They just watched every YouTube essay about them and are fans of the idea and romanticized image that the video essayers painted of those games.
The modern audience are a culture professional tourists that doesn't touch anything, just lives vicariously through videos and shorts.

>>715431890
>>715431953
I think both can be true. In my opinion Fallout 1 leaves a better first impression. You wont immediately notice the flaws like with F2. But when you've replayed Fallout 1 4+ times then you can start to pick it apart. All the jokes people bitch about with 2 aren't absent in 1. And also you'll begin to notice just how lacking the locations in F1 can be. People in prior threads have brought up the black and white moral dilemma of Junktown, and one you get past that of doing the obvious moral thing of killing Gizmo there's nothing else to do in Junktown. And the Boneyard exists solely for you to fight Deathclaws and get guns at the Gun Runners. Between the lack of content with the locations and the broken as fuck balancing of the skills and stats, Fallout 1 isn't actually much fun to replay. You take the good of Fallout 1 like the atmosphere and the Unity when you first play it.

>>715432151
It's a mixed bag. That kind of immaturity helps locations like New Reno since it is basically a anarchy crime ridden hellhole and that's what makes it fun. But that kind of attitude hurts locations like Broken Hills and Gecko. Luckily other locations get played more straight like Modoc or Vault City outside of one jokey setup that you'd have to go out of your way to do. Fallout 2 almost has a way to kill the memey-ness of it if a player has low luck and sticks to doing all the srs bsns quests. They still could have used someone to reign in all the silly shit in development but Interplay shitting out a game in less than a year means all these ideas got realized too late.

>>715432358
FO1 highlights are the paranoia inducing atmosphere, confrontation with the liutenant and the master and seth and thats about it. I remember much more good times from FO2. FO1 is just such a short game that unless you replay it multiple times it's not really going to stay with you as well as FO2.

>>715432636
Yeah, Fallout 1s muties are what really elevate it. The human centric locations like the Boneyard and the Hub are honestly pretty boring. But Necropolis and Mariposa are always a highlight for me when I do replay it.

>>715432151
I was down for all of it except for San Fran. Even playing as a 12 year old who didn't know what a Scientology was I was like "wtf is this." It feels completely out of place, and not in a cool, weird, or fun way, like the deathclaws or porn studio shoots or wholesale Mad Max scenes directly lifted from the movie. It's just kinda mean spirited and gay, like one of the writers was molested by L Ron Hubbard or something. I'll admit that the conclusion to their quest is funny, though, and the game does let you mostly dodge them if you go fuck with the (also bizarre but at least sort of makes sense if you stretch your brain) Chinese tong instead. It's a small complaint, but it's the epitome of what people shit on FO2 for, yet they never bring it up because it happens way after they got filtered.

>>715393307
>the enclave are a parody faction with nothing actually interesting to say
>Shi are way too advanced for their own good and are little more than cheesy kung-fu movie parodies
>pretty much all of New Reno is fundamentally stupid
>talking deathclaws

>>715432912
San Fran is weird for me too but I honestly don't hate it... Well the hubologists are gay. I do like the setup though of the Shi basically being the chinese BoS that got locked into a submarine until landing on the shore of California. It's a cool idea and adds a slight glimpse to the world of Fallout outside the U.S. I also kinda like the tanker vagrants. But yeah it does feel completely out of place in Fallout and makes me think of Hong Kong in Deus Ex that somehow got transported to Fallout 2 two years prior. I think if they ditched the Hubologists and integrated more a western presence of say the NCR then it wouldn't be so bad.

>>715395358
They were made by almost entirely different teams

>>715432627
I dont think Broken Hills / Gecko were areas for me that felt out of place. There's that talking plant thing and the sex doll thing but its more centered around the racial tensions issue. And Gecko I can't remember having any wildness at all, it's been years since I played it tho. And again with Reno it felt like a proper oppressive and anxiety inducing setting, despite the silly NPC barks. The sex themes etc just didn't strike me as odd, its really just the NPC barks that I noticed that were obviously not part of the experience.

>>715432912
Lel, the main thing that bothered me with SF was mostly just the unfinished nature of the whole place. I guess i was too retarded to get the whole scientology thing at all, I'm from EU and I wouldn't even know what scientology is if not for finding out after playing it that it's some meme religion.

>>715433225
>I'm from EU and I wouldn't even know what scientology is
I wonder if this is why Fallout 2 is so loved outside the U.S. A lot of the pop culture shit and stereotypes go over ones head. But in a weird way it can kind of be endearing as well, especially as someone that lives in California and borders on Nevada. I know exactly the kind of areas that Reno and Klamath are like. (Klamath is not where it should be.) But it can also be annoying. I want to completely ignore Scientology in my vidya games.

>>715433372
>it can kind of be endearing as well, especially as someone that lives in California and borders on Nevada
Agreed. I don't see how anybody can get seriously pissed about the references; it's just too quintessentially 90's, and the parody of Reno is extremely funny for anyone who's been there.
I-80 expansion soon, brother.

>>715433372
I legit didn't get 99% of the references, outside of the turbo obvious ones like Monty Python, but I don't think it's really that. I genuinely think the pop culture complaint is exaggarated. I didn't lose my shit when i saw the dr who reference in FO1 and neither did I when I saw the godzilla/monty python references in FO2. It's just a dead horse that gets beat every time people discuss FO2 v FO1 because having nuanced takes is too much work.

>>715433751
It's normalfags who don't understand the difference between a tasteful light hearted reference to pop culture like Godzilla. And the dumbass shit added in FO3-4.

>>715433867
The biggest problem with Fallout 3 and it's contents is that it's never obvious if it's a joke or not. Like no shit is the bridgekeeper in Fallout 2 meant to be canon to the world, and even other things that a less obvious like the Brain in Gecko can be disregarded like how you can disregard a quick south park reference in Fallout 1. But I can't tell if Mothership Zeta is a joke or not. Or the vampires. Or little lamplight. The tone of Fallout 3 exists in this weird schrodinger's box of humor. New Vegas was incredibly smart in having the Wild Wasteland perk. If Fallout 1 and 2 ever get remastered I believe they should incorporate something similar.

>favorite weapon
>favorite companion
>go to build
>muh faction
optional:
>hot take
any game is fine

>>715392289 (OP)
yup

>>715434110
>favorite weapon
pic
>favorite companion
Cassidy and his failing heart.
>go to build
Usually I'm a speechfag but for once I'm trying a more combat oriented build in F2, no speech. I also want to try it for F1 and NV
>muh faction
Vault City prevails citizen
>hot take
New Vegas is held back by being a Fallout 3 style game. The RPG elements of a gun skill get in the way of player skill and makes it confusing and frustrating.

>>715392289 (OP)
Yep. Unless you've played exclusively COD for the past 30 years, it shouldn't take long to get used to it. Although, Fallout 2s start is a bit harsher on you than 1.
>>715392380
> I'm sorry. You're a tourist, and you have to leave.

>>715434545
>Although, Fallout 2s start is a bit harsher on you than 1.
It can be, but if anons aren't ADHD and looking to go straight to Vault City leaving Arroyo it's worth doing some of the smaller side quests. Especially getting Smiley in the Gecko caves. Each Golden Gecko pelt is 125 NCR bucks and will really help in the early economy. Also Sulik is a must unless you ditch charisma for your build.

>>715392380
/thread

>>715434702
Indeed, I just hold a personal grudge against the Temple of Trials cause it fucked my shit up 20 years ago. It's not THAT bad, but being forced to go melee rubbed me the wrong way back then.

As somebody who has modded FO1, if you don't like FO2, you are a fake and phony RPG gamer.

>>715435017
>being forced to go melee
You don't though? You can outright outrun every enemy in the temple.
The temple teaches you many things, one of which is 'don't fight if you will lose! RUN!'
Did that RNG encounter of like 10 bandits vs yourself alone, 'force' you to cheat extra levels to your character? Of course not! You just ran away from them.

>>715435017
Yeah, the Temple has always been shit and is one of those obvious interplay meddling things. It should have been axed but if you really need to handhold skills for new players then they could have at least cut the length down. Or have actual written material about what each skill does for non manual readers. Otherwise it's basically the Fallout 1 V13 cave extended. Fighting ants over rats for juicy 25XP Just don't be spoony and expect your speech build to be a good hand to hand fighter.

>>715435267
It's not so much the ants but the fight against cameron if you don't have the speech skills to bypass him. If you make a low agility but high perception gun build as a example then there's a high chance for him to kill you in the Temple.

>>715435467
You can always RNG kicks against him (kicks are better than punches early on IIRC) until you win.
If you can't kick his ass, or talk him out of it, your character is kinda shit.
Who the fuck doesn't main speech skill in OG fallout???

>>715435573
>Who the fuck doesn't main speech skill in OG fallout???
Me >>715434326 but I've played the game multiple times that I know my way around combat somewhat. You can kite kicks against him even with a shit character but it can still be overly brutal for a newfag. At least Fallout 1 can let you skip all the rats and get murdered by mutants as it's lesson.

fallouts world makes no sense to me they just throw anything they want in and make it slightly dirty and call it post apocalyptic

>>715435795
Well yeah that's what makes it fun. If actual nukes dropped today we'd just be fucked but Fallout is a universe that has radiation and FEV make big ass rats and zombies for you to fight.

>>715435770
My newest build was unarmed, speech, barter.
Then putting heaps of points into big guns, and tagging the skill to get like 250% big guns, grabbing a BOZAR and mulching everything with fast shots and sniper.

>>715435267
>The temple teaches you many things, one of which is 'don't fight if you will lose! RUN!'
Yes but the first time around I was a retard and thought you had to kill things

>>715436150
It's absurd how normalfags have that mindset, some normie was playing Deus Ex and immediately shot Paul, who is of course immortal. They then said the game was 'too hard' and never played it again.

how shit do you have to be if you get filtered by the temple of retards lol

never played a crpg and i didnt even realize it was a filter when playing on vhard

>>715436702
People make non-unarmed/melee builds, and expect to clear like 20 fucking enemies with weapons they aren't good at using.
They're that fucking stupid.

>>715392380
i'm glad /v/ still has its share of patricians

>>715436758
Sure but why is the Temple forcing melee on you in the first place? I think that's peoples issue with the Temple. Yes you can run past the ants but you have to beat cameron to progress. It's not good for role playing anything that isn't a melee murder machine or a politician speech fag. Like what if I want my chosen one to be a doctor or thief? (Though I remember cameron having a key that you can steal but I'm not sure if this was a Restoration Project addon)

>>715436975
>why is the Temple forcing melee on you in the first place
It's not, in fact there's more than one way to go through the whole thing without throwing a single punch.
Also, you're a fucking caveman, what other weapons do you suggest using?
Talk Cameron to fuck off, kick his ass, or steal the key.
Combat, diplomacy, thievery, the trio of RPG roles.

>>715436892
>is eceleb fag
>posts eceleb opinion

>>715437228
Alright you got me, There are more options, I guess it just requires more out of the box thinking. I personally never had an issue with the Temple, I just wonder why others struggle with it and
>what other weapons do you suggest using?
I think the crux of the issue here is gunfags being upset that they don't get one in the Temple. If you just could find a shitty pipe rifle to shoot cameron with then maybe people wouldn't complain about the Temple.

>>715437471
>I think the crux of the issue here is gunfags being upset that they don't get one in the Temple. If you just could find a shitty pipe rifle to shoot cameron with then maybe people wouldn't complain about the Temple.
WTF I WANT TO SHOOT THE CAVE RATS WITH MY BIG-GUNS BUILD IN FALLOUT 1
YOU CAN'T DO THAT!? SHIT TIER GAME!
I hate normies so bad...

>>715436702
>how shit do you have to be if you get filtered by the temple of retards lol
sharty troon discord level of retardation

>>715414881
you tourists make me sick

>>715418883
>Tactics was never finished
At 30 minutes in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaA6ZEoMJzU&t

>>715411903
>Eh, the first game was supposed to have talking raccoon people.
Yes, and those were removed because they didn't fit the setting

>>715403602
Same. I tell my companions to wait outside before going in because there's usually a huge cluster of enemies and they just get in the way of my burst fire.

>>715411847
1984 was written by a leftist

>>715438187
Whats funny about that is that they were removed but you can still find the FEV log that hints at their existence.
>>715431398
>Unfortunately, several subjects escaped confinement and had to be hunted down and dispatched. Major Barnett ordered the remaining subjects terminated. Two pairs were unaccounted for.
Maybe we'll see the burrows in Fallout 5.

>>715392380
if you actually think this is wrong there's 1 of 2 options
1. you haven't read the dialogue
ok you like the gameplay, it's still shittier than 1's but w/e i'll give that to you, but the dialogue is still indefensibly awful
2. you have read the dialogue but think it's good
you're a retard

>>715438263
In 1949

>>715438445
The politics of NCR, New Reno, and Vault City is far more compelling than anything in Fallout 1. I can't see how Killian and Gizmo would even compare. Fallout 2 might have writing problems but there's good elements in it.

>>715438187
They were removed because like 50% of Fallout 1's content was cut due to budget and time restraints.
If they had longer to make the game you'd get more crazy shit in FO1. Oh, look what happened in FO2!

>>715438620
10% of the writing being good doesn't change 90% of the writing being unbearably shit
legitimately no fo2 player will actually read all of the dialogue in the game, they can't, it's not possible, it's too shitty

>>715438678
Yes and no. Tim Cain seemed liked he had a specific vision that he wanted to meet with F1 and The Burrows were not apart of that. Chris Avellone was someone that wanted to stick close to this vision. But other guys from Interplay came from the background of Wasteland and wanted to do the zany Post Apocalyptic stuff. That's why Fallout 1 also has nuka cola addits or psychic powers from the Master or any of the other weirder elements that you'd see elaborated post F1.

>>715438889
Tim Cain is a homosexual leftist who bitched that the rest of the Fallout team beat him up and called him faggot all the time.
He's retarded and should be ignored.

>>715392289 (OP)
they are. they're not for impatient zoomerbrains, however

>>715438746
Because most dialog is just flavor text for the quest you're taking. Fallout 1 also operated like this.
>Hey normie, the muties need dirt naps, go do my errands
>My daughter has been kidnapped, please give the raiders dirt naps and save Tandi
>Hey initiate, go to the glow and get us some tech, or take a dirt nap, lol
The more compelling stuff was from having 1 on 1 conversations with NPCs or getting holodisk fluff like Vrees disk about mutant sterility. Fallout 2 also operated like this when talking to Lynette about your Vault ancestry or Marcus about being in The Masters army, or Myron on the creation of Jet. Its not always just dumb memes.

>>715434110
> 10mm SMG
> hard to choose, i guess Sulik
> minmax lone wolf sniper with FO TCs, had a full CHA build in FO2 and both were fun
> Midwest Brotherhood
I've had some rancid hot takes if this wretched thread needs even more shit to stir.
> SPECIAL was a good attempt at computerifying a tabletop system, but it needed much more improvement, which is reflected in Arcanum
> Classic Fallout's combat would be better as an RTWP thing and is largely carried by audio design and graphics
> Fallout 2 is more tonally serious on average than Fallout 1
> Fallout: Sonora is what some people imagine Fallout 1 actually was
> A lot of Fallout 1's perceived atmosphere is largely carried by Mark Morgan's OST, which has some peculiar choices to it but was improved in Fallout 2
> Despite all that, they're both great games and did a lot for CRPGs to detach from tabletop systems

>>715439269
>not liking flavour text
Cool, go eat some sand then

>>715392289 (OP)
Fallout 2 is still the best Fallout game.
Fallout 1 was great.
Fallout 2 is borderline perfect.

im replaying Fallout 2 right now and i cant believe how fucking awesome it is.
>just entered Redding and getting into the mines

I'm a 35yo zoomer who never played them, how bad is the time limit in FO1 really?

>>715439504
I don't hate flavor text but when people jerk off Fallouts writing it's not because Set asks you to waste muties. Its from the background lore and environmental storytelling as well as the fantasic voice acting that carries it all, and Fallout 2 only really lacks in having talking head NPCs. Someone like Big Jesus Mordino would probably be talked about more if he had a talking head.

>>715439619
its very tolerant, you have plenty of time, unless you sleep for 1 day every time an angry ant bites you.

>>715439619
Even if you played the 500 day 1.0 version of Fallout its still pretty generous. You be curbstomping the Master in no time.

>>715439619
If you need to buy water for your vault, you are taking to long.

>>715439619
The famous FO1 time limit was quickly patched out, you get a lot more time.

>try FO1
>recruit first NPC I can recruit
>he shoots me in the back in the first encounter
>uninstall game

>>715439619
>zoomer at age 35
the countdown is not a big deal
just dont use first aid on yourself a lot
hours or days can pass

>>715439472
Funny I basically agree almost with all the hot takes. I will say though that the turn based combat of Fallout 1/2 are held back by each enemy taking its turn. I feel like if there was an option for all enemies to go at once that Fallouts turn based combat would be extremely fun. The best combat encounters I can recall is when I can target slavers straight in the eyea.

>>715439864
Try to give Ian something that isn't the SMG. Or just don't take him really. Companions in Fallout 1 hold you back more than anything.

>>715439941
>>zoomer at age 35
Calling myself a zoomer was a joke

>>715439472
>Lone wolf sniper
How far did you get?
How was the ghoul defense mission?

>>715439968
Fallout 1+2 are the only playable turn based RPG's in existence, but thats only because i can save-scum to get critical shots to the eyes every single time i click on an enemy.
>the opponent was critically hit for 97 damage, bypassing his armor, blinding him, and losing his next turn.

>>715440035
Don't explain jokes to retards. You are stopping them from learning for themselves

>>715440035
im just glad you didnt say zillenial

>>715439269
you haven't actually read fallout 1 and 2's dialogue and it shows, exactly to my point

>>715439968
>I feel like if there was an option for all enemies to go at once that Fallouts turn based combat would be extremely fun
insane to me that none of the mods nor the custom engine buffer the enemy's entire turn like this, because it's such a basic thing that surely everyone, even the most ardent fo2 defender and nuthugger, can agree is fucking annoying/boring
imagine if every gecko does their walk animation simultaneously, fo2 immediately becomes half as long of a game, yet this isn't an option some how

>>715440254
Well no I can't recall specifics 24/7. Because it's 90% "go do quest" dialog anyways. Torr being a drolling tard asking you to defend brahmin is hardly different from Seth asking you to clear the radscorpion caves.

>>715440476
No source code chief. Fallout modders would go to town if they had it.

>>715440642
the game's been fully reverse engineered for years, that's why i said custom engine

>>715440714
>fully reverse engineered
>custom engine
I feel like you're just making stuff up now

>>715440714
Has it? I know there's the FOnline engine but I wasn't aware you could play F1 and F2 in a source port.

Which Wasteland games are worth playing?

>>715440793
>>715440810
https://github.com/alexbatalov/fallout1-re
https://github.com/alexbatalov/fallout2-re
https://github.com/alexbatalov/fallout1-ce
https://github.com/alexbatalov/fallout2-ce
bros you literally have google, this isn't hard

>>715440878
I think only Wasteland 3 really, though I speak as someone that only touched 2. I never really liked party based RPGs for whatever reason.

inb4 massrepyling faggot yeah yeah i know
>>715438085
Alright, I stand corrected. They did a great job making it seem complete, though.
>>715440075
Must've worded it wrong. I didn't do it in Fallout Tactics. Would be a fun challenge, though, since a lot of the time I was clearing out rooms while using just two guys with shotguns and shit. The ghoul defense one was one of the only times I had to think about using my entire party.
>>715439968
There would probably be some downtime issues since enemies have to do things all at once, but the idea of a Master's army random encounter starting with a bunch of mutants just staring at you for five seconds before wiping out your entire party in a single volley is too fun to pass on. I wish "Fallout successors" did more things with the idea.
>>715439619
For our time, Fallout 1 is an incredibly small CRPG, and if you're not resting a lot or grinding things out for the sake of it, you can clear the game within like 1/3rd of the time limit, I think.

>>715440889
>The goal of this project is to restore original source code as close as possible with all it's imperfections. This means Windows/x86/640x480 among many other things. Original Fallout also had DOS and Mac OS X ports which are out of scope of this project.
So they just decompiled the code and dumped it

>>715441014
So I take it no comments meaning its basically reverse engineering the games? Yeah that ought to be the reason why there's no move all enemies option yet.

>>715440997
>mass replying
That's only ever annoying when it is many people for the same sentence.

>>715441014
>>715441097
bro i'm not trying to be mean but you're both apes
the first two are references of the original code, decompiled and documented, this means yes modders now have source access, and have for years at this point
the second two are a custom engine built from that code
it's dystopian how i said reverse engineered and you both go "huh so it's reverse engineered/decompiled??"

>>715441437
>This project is based on and share much of the code with Fallout 2 Reference Edition, which I had decompiled earlier.
>which I had decompiled earlier

>>715441437
But being documented by the reverse engineer isn't the same as having the original commented code. Who knows what kinds of coding black magic was used that is completely alien to someone that wasn't the original programmer. I'm just not sure how easy it would be to implement new features in the game without breaking it in half. But if it can be done then it probably will be.

>>715440878
The first one is cool for the sheer jank of it. If you play on an emulator at least. The modern ports are pretty shit by most accounts. I didn't care for 2 at all.

>>715442437
I'll only play 3 then, sorry jank fren

Should I know anything about Sonora before going in?

It's hard to go back to Fallout in retrospect when you realize how woke it was from the getgo.

>>715442574
Give me a break faggot. Just play a slaver character then.

>>715442654
Even NMA says the old Fallouts were woke (and they say it's a good thing). When everyone who enjoys [thing] is pozzed, maybe the [thing] itself is pozzed.

>>715431953
There's a difference between liking one more and thinking one is shit, retard.

>>715442574
All CRPGs are woke unless they stat penalize females into the ground. The fuck are you even doing here faggot?

>>715392380
I hate this retarded meme opinion and the retards who probably haven't even played both games that repeat it. Fallout 2 has so much fun content and the gameplay is actually fun since end game isn't just basically a coinflip because of how quickly you die like in Fallout 1.
>uhh but gameplay doesn't matter, all that matters is jokes!
Wrong. Also fuck you anyways, can't have anything silly without insecure faggots whining about it
GOD this site has the most dogshit takes. I hate all of you.

>>715442654
>>715443115

>>715443115
>In Arcanum, women get a -1 to strength and a +1 to endurance
What was Tim Cain thinking with that game?

>>715443429
>reddit is retarded
wow

>>715443429
I could care less what redditors think anon.

>>715443489
>>715443496
The majority of Fallout fans on EVERY site are leftist.

>>715443440
>women get a +1 to endurance
>man
>turns down thermostat
Nothing personal

>>715443612
>PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET ARE RETARDED
>next up, the weather

>>715443612
>right wing ethos
There's nothing right wing about pre-war governments in Fallout except from the PoV of a literal tankie.

>>715444001
it's retarded, but when the vast majority of the fans are political retards, it should clue you into thinking maybe the product itself was made for them by other political retards

>>715444098

>>715444181
>rebuilding your character after goodsprings means you are now a tranny

>>715444315
That's actually a hilarious image. Imagine Doc watching the Courier go from a 4'10" midget doctor male, to a tomboy 6'0" sexy tomboy tan female who's proficient in guns.

>>715444098
So if everyone in this thread said you sucked your Dad's dick, and liked it, that would mean that is something you did or should do?
>ANNOUNCEMENT!
>THIS ANON SUCKED HIS DAD'S DICK AND LIKED IT!

>>715444098
>>715444181

>>715392380
>filtered

>>715444098
If I lived my life only enjoying things that retards don't like I would have to lock myself into a secure bunker in the middle of the woods and spend the rest of my life reading Infinite Jest over and over again. Please kill yourself, you oversocialized parasite.

>>715444439
Imagine you go to a bar and everyone else in it is flamboyantly gay. Chances are it's a gay bar.

>>715444578
You're currently posting on a website that's dominated by pseuds, pedophiles, and pedophile pseuds. What does that say about you?

>>715393608
>>715393608
you dumb metafaggot subhuman

Do you think anyone actually gave a shit about metas back when they were 8 years old playing this shit on a Windows 95 machine?


OP: the games are/were free on GoG, play them blind. READ THE MANUAL.pdf - SAVE OFTEN, and then save again. Saving/reloading are actually recommended

Level up whichever stats sound coolest to you, use whichever guns sound the best to you

>>715444578
gay bars are great. you don't have to worry about your gf getting hit on and you get free drinks

>>715444483
>the leading fnv engine modder is a self-declared autistic nonbinary brony and is part of a larger modding community organized by a self-declared gay furry
>this is an actual image used for one of his mods

>>715444660
And worst of all are the furries

>>715404519
>but is Arcanum fun to play?
It's easily the worst classic CRPG that's notable, so no. People like it cause of the writing but anyone that sucks it off as amazing are either the type that don't give two fucks about gameplay or haven't actually played it for more than like 30 mins.

>>715444578
A better analogy would be that a bunch of faggots start eating nothing but cucumbers, and one day you go to the store to buy a cucumber.
Some fag hits on you, you tell them no, then you go home and enjoy your meal the way you want to.

>>715444794
It can be fun, it is extremely broken though, as much shit as I give Fallout 1 for being useless skills at least half of them are functional instead of 1/4th of them

>>715444927
The problem with the newer Fallouts is that they're literally unplayable without mods. FO3 and FNV will not function properly on modern systems without extensive mod work. This means you have to interact at least somewhat with the mod community, which is pic related >>715444729, so it's kind of like you enjoy cucumbers but the only store that sells them is one where a bunch of gay dudes shove them up their asses and you have to pull them out to buy them, otherwise you have no way of getting any more cucumbers.

You have to deal with some of the most obnoxious and insufferable spergs the internet has to offer just to play the damn game.

>>715395437
But supershotgun and revenants though

>>715445118
>The problem with the newer Fallouts is that they're literally unplayable without mods.
I couldn't read past that point.
Not only do you suck your Dad's dick, you also "accidentally" go into gay bars.

>>715392380
What a unique take. Phew.

>>715445118
>newer Fallouts
found your problem

>>715398635
Nta, I remember having fights on the ring, I found boxing gloves with metal plates or something in the basement of a fight club but I still had issues to put down the last fighter. Also there was a casino but I don't remember specifics. I played it more than 15 years ago.

>>715445354
fair enough

>>715392380
You've never played either.

I just want to say that this Gauss pistol fucks as a one hander. I have never killed Navarro soldiers before.

>>715446097
love that lil nigga too

>>715446763
It's a great lil' pistol. Only problem is that no one sells ammo for the damn thing in my game. I've checked both New Reno and San Fran. I actually got a majority of the ammo from the Klamath Gecko hideout where you rescue Smiley. The devs we're just teasing new players with the kind of nice guns you can find there.

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I wish the FNV modding community wasn't autistic.

>>715446976
Lol, I just noticed that too, was a janny on the frontier modding team or something?

>>715446935
gotta make those shots count pardner

or just farm Enclave soldiers in random encounters like I did eventually

>>715399998
Why the fuck would people forget to read and write? Nigga anyone can teach anyone else to do it.