Admit it. Chapter 3 was actually a good chapter. Why did people not like it?

>>715410162 (OP)
Outside of the knight there was zero lore.

>>715410252
>MUH LORE
who gives a fucking shit

>>715410162 (OP)
Maybe you should ask that in >>>/vg/utg instead.

NES Zelda sections dragged for too long and are horribly boring, only the sword route was cool.
Should've gone full wario ware and family feud

>>715410252
If you're not reading any of the dialogue maybe

chapter 3 was only good because the knight is one of the best bosses in the game and i wanna fuck eram. the zelda segments are boring (especially after your first playthrough). The only NPC i remember liking was ramb and TV world just felt like a worse cyber city.

>>715410302
No. :)

>>715410323
>the zelda segments are boring
not a chance fancy pants

I actually like replaying the Zelda clone boards and trying to T rank them, am I just autistic or is everyone else filtered?

>>715410252
>Outside of the knight there was zero lore.
???

>>715410162 (OP)
chapter 1 good
chapter 2 good
chapter 3 good
chapter 4 good
Deltarune is the best game I've played in a long while

>>715410721
>DO YOU REMEMBERARY
>THE 13TH NIGHT OF FEBRUARY
>FRIEND WAS CHANGIN' THE LIVES OF THE UNWARY
>WHILE TAKIN' YOUR SIS AWAY

>>715410620
>is everyone else filtered?
This one

>>715410721
imagine if chapter 4 didn't release alongside 3 and this was all the dess lore we got besides the knight's bat

>>715410880
why kris red

>>715410959
hes really really mad

Sword route was kino. If Chapter 3 had a hometown segment I'd like it more than Chapter 4

>Carol wants Kris and Noelle to hook up
>Carol becomes even more accommodating to Kris during Snowgrave
>Knight (supposedly Dess) wants Noelle to be involved in Dark Worlds
>Kris wants to distance himself from Noelle
>Ralsei does not wants Noelle to be involved, and we know that he wants to subvert the Prophecy
>Carol emits cold and is obsessed with heart-shaped objects, suggesting that she herself went through something similar
I don't think Snowgrave is us breaking Prophecy, it's Kris following his orders. PROCEED does not comes straight from (You), neither it's his intrusive thoughts, it's something he was always supposed to do. The freedom Spamton was talking about was Kris fulfilling his promise and getting released from it.

>>715411075
>selfcest

>>715410162 (OP)
It's just people who got filtered by classic Zelda, or worse, they didn't even get an S rank so they never saw the sword route

How different are the Board segments to regular gameplay anyway? You still walk around, talk to some guys, get into turn-based battles with other guys. Stuff you've already been doing but with added incentive to be somewhat competent at them for a good rank. Or if you feel so compelled you can just use the Power Croissant/Camera to grind instead.
It's not like absolutely nothing's happening either, you have that whole Weather Couple subplot and Tenna dumping Dreemurr family lore on you.
What makes it worse than like the Acid Tunnel or Cyber City just tossing a bunch of Mouse puzzles at you, is what i'm getting at?

2 > 3 > 4 > 1
3 is great but it’s short. I like how unabashed it is, just Toby fucking around. I thought it was short to make encountering the knight easier. The knight is a cool fight and better than spamton neo but I liked every other character in chapter 2 more than 3. Even Queen was better than Tenna and I like Tenna as much as everyone else, but Queen was better. That’s it.

>>715411075
>Kris is at boobrest height next to queen
Bosom?

>>715410721
that wigged me out pretty bad the first time
genuinely did not expect dess to just get dropped like that, i thought it would be more of a gradual thing

>>715411064
>PROCEED does not comes straight from (You)

>>715411185
When the chorus played and I heard the Lost Girl motif I was freaking the fuck out and wishing the game would just let me pause and read the lyrics

>>715411075
Do we REALLY need so many lesbian ships? I mean, don't get me wrong, I was myself planning to ship Carol and Toriel before the release, but this is getting ridiculous at this point, it's like they're trying to pair off every new female character with another girl randomly.

>>715410162 (OP)
What's the point of becoming stronger in this game when winning battles is all about how good you are at the mini game?

>>715410336
Yes. :^)

>>715411256
>jiiiii

>>715411281
Blame Toby for not making appealing male characters

>>715411281
carol and queen are the same, that's why the ship is a thing, retard

>>715410620
If you like classic Zelda you'll like chapter 3, if you don't you won't. It's a change in gameplay and not everyone will like that, especially on replays.

>>715411281
Senseless shipping just ties us over for the long wait time until chapter 5 which will come out on Feb, 14, 2026

>>715411281
picrel is weirdly erotic
also it's shocking how little Cariel we're getting so far

>>715410302
Sorry bro. The janny you're fucking is asleep.

>>715411396
Kris

>>715411396
>not making appealing male characters
there are like 3 buff or bishounen males for every slightly curvy female in his games

>>715410997
oh

In terms of silly videos, nothing beats this banger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubZA9EZUcCw

>>715411535
Yeah but half of all artists won't use him because he might be underaged or hecking not-male

>>715410162 (OP)
motherfucker spent 3 years teasing TV parodies only to sideline those for the sake of a fucking zelda clone

>>715411535
>kris
>male
princess ribbon says otherwise

>>715411829
so true

>>715410936
>Ba dee ya, say do you remember?
>Ba dee ya, fuckin with December?
>Ba dee ya, never was a good chapterrrrrrrr

>>715411487
>how little Cariel we're getting so far
Thank fucking god. There's a reason why I abandoned my plans
To be fair, I was planning to ship them for Freudian reasons, but things got TOO Freudian for my taste.

>>715411123
I think Chapter 3 and 4 undeniably have the highest consistent quality of rooms that don't just waste your fucking time
I love Chapter 2 but the really good funny parts make people forget that it also has some totally pointless puzzle segments that add absolutely nothing to the experience. If you cut the whole puzzle-maze in the middle of the Ralsei Swan Ride you'd only lose like two half-decent gags. Does anyone even remember the whole segment where Noelle fourth-wheels the party? That's probably even worse than the Sweet Cap'n Cakes shit

>>715411256
Oh fuck pls no

>>715411772
>kids using TV to play video games instead of watching game shows
THE HORROR!

There's no way Gaster fell into the core. That shit just siphons energy from lava, how would that shatter him across all of space time

>>715411256
shut up minikris

W-Why a sad song plays in the number 5

>>715412026
He don't bite

>>715412026

https://deltarune.wiki/w/Special:Random
Do this until you get two characters. now you must ship them. good day :D

>>715411256

>>715412130
https://deltarune.wiki/w/Voice
https://deltarune.wiki/w/Tasque_Manager
Gaster x TM? Well crap.

>>715412130
>Queen and Hathy
eh

>>715412149
I would fuck her so damn raw after that.

I think what really sucks about the Zelda segments is that once you start them, you can't stop

>>715412130
>Voice x Top Chef
Gaster....

>>715411123
The only thing I disliked from the boards is the lack of saving. I get why, but it's just annoying when I was playing through the first time, going through everything and wanting to take a break.
Otherwise, I personally liked CH3 more than 4.
Not that I disliked 4 either. I just don't get why people seem to dislike 3 so much.

>>715412130
>virovirokun and literally all of the random hometown NPCs (https://deltarune.wiki/w/Hometown/NPCs)

>field of pink and gold charred in jealous
>ferris wheel in the library is pink and gold
>catti has mentioned immolation spells in the past

>>715412253
...please tell your boyfriend to give me my fucking Spin Cake

>Jigsaw Joe X Voice
What the hell man

Chapter 3 was fine but it felt like they were trying to do chapter 2 again and Mr antenna is just not as interesting or fun as spamton. the secret boss for 3 and 4 are also much less challenging

>>715412130
Nubert and The Queen
lol

>>715412130
Nubert x Electro-Dasher (the car with legs)
Uh... Does it count if Nubert gets inside the... car?

>>715412270
>do it some more to try to get a singular character
>end up getting ALL OF THE LIGHTNERS (https://deltarune.wiki/w/Lightners) first
>then end up with FRIEND

>>715410162 (OP)
The Mantle Game hit all the right spots for me, in a certain lens you might be able to say that Deltarune is the best creepypasta game of all time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a-h8bddlY0

>>715411535
>midwest emo as a teen
>looked like Kris
>behaved like Kris
>male
>Toby may as well have spied a lens on me as a kid, only difference being I would have lived with Asgore instead of Toriel since my mom could never hold a house on her own
I feel so spotted with Kris, if only Toby was enough of a man to just let Kris be a boy. At least that opens up a window for my earthbound depression clone RPG.
also if you were emo 2000-2008 zoomers and gen alpha will never know what that shit was like, feel bad for them
society actually sucks worse than when I was a kid, and that's saying something

>>715412268
If Ch. 3 had saves in the zelda segments, it'd be 4>3>2>1, for me. 3 would be the best gameplay wise

>>715412130
I don't think Plugboys and Tasques are a good combo

>>715410162 (OP)
chapter 3 darkworld is better than chapter 4 darkworld.

>>715412646
Anon... Look at her tail.

>>715412714
not tasque manager, tasques. as in the cats.

>>715410162 (OP)
Chapter 3 is my favorite chapter so far.
This goes without saying, but the ending is absolute kino.
Rouxls Kaard 2, Tenna, and the Roaring Knight are my favorite boss fights in the game.
The SWORD ROUTE is by far the best and most elaborate of the Shadow Crystal related side quests. The way it hints at discovering the Weird Route without external help from the internet is really clever, though the episodic release schedule ruined that for people playing the chapters as they come out.
I'm a big fan of secret hunting, so hunting for and eventually finding the egg without using a guide was one of the most satisfying experiences I've had with a video game in recent years.
I thought most of Tenna's jokes were funny. I don't like him has much as Queen, but I like him a lot and I think he's pretty slept on. I think people would like him more if chapter 3 was before chapter 2 and you met him before Spamton.
A lot of people seem to really hate the mini-games, but I thought all of them were very fun. I liked the Susiezilla minigame enough to spend 4 hours grinding for the T-Rank on it.
Even the regular board segments are more entertaining than people give them credit for. I found the controller swapping bit to be especially creative.

Oh, and I'm a big fan of Osamu Sato so the Rolypolys reference hit me like a truck.

>>715412714
I meant mowoewoewowowmowoweowowow

>>715410162 (OP)
Why the fuck are there so many "non binary" freaks? That's not a thing. It's a mental deficiency. I'd interesting if it was just like one guy in a mental institution saying gender is made up and that he had none. But there's so many of these people with the same mental disorder claiming they're a third thing. What the fuck? Why? I don't understand

Reminder to not reply to any post that talks about gender or pronouns. Focus on discussing lore, gameplay, story, theories, and if necessary, shipping. Just anything other than *that* discourse.

Anyway what's FRIEND's ultimate endgoal? Is he at odds with Gaster?

>>715412859
I just assumed it's the person saying "I'm autistic and asexual."

>>715410880
man who has only played one game:

>>715410302
>Janny thinks he can talk to Anons

ahahahahahahahahah.

>>715412859
not everyone likes the gender they were assigned to

>>715412859
>LGBT is in vogue and comes with various benefits at big companies
>Realise you can cash in on this attention by just getting people to call you "they"
>Maybe also dress weird if you're into that kinda thing
>Don't have to make any other alterations to your life like being gay or taking medication
It's just attention seeking combined with virtue signalling

>>715410162 (OP)
watchu talkin' about I love TV

>>715412939
fatass

>>715411281
>Do we REALLY need so many lesbian ships?
Instructions unclear, Catty and Bratty are now lesbians too. So is Catti. Also, Toriel will be soon (Sans is just her side piece). That'll show those nasty straight people! (laugh)

>>715412859
Like. If you read about a guy that I dunno, claimed their Blood was type Z because he didn't feel comfortable with the blood types, A, B, AB, and I, you would think he was a lunatic. But if multiple people over the last ten years suddenly started to make up their blood types, they would start a movement for that to be normalized and would call you a bigot if you said there are only 4 blood groups

>>715412130
>Winglade and Player
Am I supposed to shove the pen up my ass?

>>715413159
If the Winglade's into it, maybe. Otherwise just give it a kiss or something

>>715410162 (OP)
I'm still asking the question, what's the difference between the Roaring and the angels heaven? Are we an entity from heaven? Why do we carry light in our souls. Where do we come from

>>715412524
I was like Kris too and I have the feeling so was Toby.

>>715412149
Am I schizo or is this another instance of Toby directly telling his fans "If you don't like it, fuck off and don't play it," glossing over the only options being "i love it" and "i hate it" and telling fence sitters to fuck off if they don't love everything about Deltarune? Like the Mike schizo theory stuff, but more mean.

>>715412859 (You) #
Like. If you read about a guy that I dunno, claimed their Blood was type Z because he didn't feel comfortable with the blood types, A, B, AB, and O, you would think he was a lunatic. But if multiple people over the last ten years suddenly started to make up their blood types, they would start a movement for that to be normalized and would call you a bigot if you said there are only 4 blood groups

You guys are really shit at following instructions, you know that?

>>715413273
It's about Kris himself. He is forced to do something he doesn't likes (the promise). Susie implies he should stop doing it, but severing himself from something that controls him might kill him. We've seen the same during Spamton NEO fight.

>>715410959
Kris was named Dovahkiin

>>715413245
The roaring is the destruction of the world as it plunges into darkness.
The Angel's Heaven is our world.

>>715413381
Good ol' FKC gang

>>715413389
it could also be undertale genocide shit
"are you having fun?" no? stop playing and trying to see 100% of the game then

>>715413476
also known as KFC.

>>715413381
some good FCK

If you lose to Roaring Knight do you just get the same cutscene at the end

>>715413536
Pretty much, yeah.

>>715413517
"U" are the final human. "U" complete the cast

>>715413476
>>715413517
FCK gang, FCK gang

>>715413580
4's a crowd

>>715413384
Not listening to cat satan

>>715413580
V essel.... kino
FVCK

>>715413273
It's just susie realizing that kris is doing something that might be hurting himself, and being a bit aggressive about it. Kris seems to be comforted by that sort of stuff oddly enough.

There isn't a part in CH4 where the heroes banishing the angel is stated, right?
Like in Ralsei's version of the prophecy, it's pretty direct, while in the chapel, the only reference to that is pic related, where it says the angel will only meet with its desire after being banished.
Is it dumb to assume we could be banished from Kris? Or if we're being more wild, from the game?

>>715410162 (OP)
I always admitted it.

What did everyone name their vessel? I named mine "Adam" after the first man

>>715410162 (OP)
Nothing was gonna live up to the collective schizo theories, after they've been building up so long. Except the doe rape.

>>715410880
based and true

>>715410162 (OP)
the game show zelda bits were setups for the Mantle game but 80% of people never saw due to not getting S on their first try (and missing the guy you can buy S from)

>>715413273
this interpretation is wrong because toby literally cannot fathom the idea of someone not liking his games

>>715413817
>Kris seems to be comforted by that sort of stuff oddly enough
Susie always seems to find the right words to say to people.

>>715413861
Valtiel felt very fitting

>>715411256
>*closes thumbnail*
eat shit

>>715413273
>glossing over the only options being "i love it" and "i hate it" and telling fence sitters to fuck off if they don't love everything about Deltarune?
you forgot the secret third option of trying to stab susie, which i don't know what that would be in this analogy

>>715413817
i think kris likes people overtly showing that they care
i think he got a lot of platitudes over the course of his life from people who say they care about him but don't actually do anything
with susie she's very in kris' face when he's neck deep in the shit and drags him out of it

>>715413840
I liked Undertale a lot, but I'm not going to pretend the worst part about it wasn't the part where it tries to convince you that just by being around and playing the game you're somehow doing something "bad" and "should stop pls :("
I'm going to be very spited if we're just back around to
>pls just let kris live his life... and never cum back... (You paid for this)
WE'RE A TEAM
A TEAM!!!

>>715413861
On my first playthrough, I called it AAAAAAAAA
On my current save, its called VESSELKUN

>>715413915
>Nothing was gonna live up to the collective schizo theories
Nah, Toby completely delivered on schizobosses. Everyone fall into the trap of thinking it's gonna be scrimblo of the week, instead we got something that defies all patterns.

>>715410162 (OP)
nearly 4 years is a little long for what is essentially a collection of minigames.
Toby Fox's Twin Peaks monstertown just isn't grabbing me.
maybe once all secrets are revealed, idk

>>715414025
That's Pressing the B Button, like in Toby Fox's Earthbound Rom Hack, "Press the B Button," where a little known programming exploit lets you cancel a two choice question.

>>715413861
Charlie
after myself :)

>>715412130
>Monster Kid x White Cloak
They're like two levels of reality separated from each other, how's that for a long-distance relationship

>>715414035
You are right.
>Ralsei compliments his piano skills
>Kris' opinion on him instantly improves

>>715414074
Trust the fever dream.

>>715413861
naturally I just named it after myself and then got punked when Toby asked
>okay... now who made it?
and got the fucking
>of course
>of course.
fuck you Toby

>>715413657
Don't be so flippant now, that chair's gonna kick your ass.

>>715410323
>the zelda segments are boring
This was the best part of the game, second only to the Song segment.
>three player Zelda, your allies have their own agency
>each player has their own abilities and reactions to the enviroment
>Susie messing with the controllers and Ralsie
>streamer-esque dialog with Tenna
>tons of secrets, special dialog and the hidden room with the Black Mantle was Kino.
I just cannot comprehend the hate for chappy 3.

>>715412451
Snowgrave always felt like some kind of "Mew under the truck"-type thing, to the point that when I first saw someone post about it a couple days after Chapter 2 dropped I didn't believe it. Toby's obviously leaning hard into that sort of weird video game rumor space.

>>715414127
ok but how much of it does he actually remember?
why did he need to hire a team if he knew so clearly?
there absolutely is some of it he's just making up.

>>715414059
>I'm going to be very spited if we're just back around to
>pls just let kris live his life... and never cum back... (You paid for this)
buckle up

>>715414059
It's a bit different here, since there's no character nagging you like Flowey.
I don't think Toby's going to do something like the pacifist ending to guilt you into not restarting.
Especially since the prophecy is pretty much built to be understood in a myriad ways.
I asked about what the banishing could mean because it could very well be something like:
>You're banished from Kris
>You meet with your desire, Vessel/Noelle.

>>715413580
>>715413668
Toby-sama...

>>715413861
>>715414147
Same
I also named Chara after myself when I played Undertale

Trying to work on a fangame and I already ran out of ideas for fun bullet patters that havent been used already.
How does Toby do it?

>>715414237
Do it, Toby. Pull that trigger.
I'll just make a RPG where all you do is drink Dr Pepper and high five the cute emo boy protagonist all fucking game or something. Actual blackjack and hookers.

>>715414237
I've prepared two responses to this post, choose whichever you prefer.

Nice response: I don't think it's fair to use writing that Toby made as a teenager as a frame of reference for what Deltarune will be about. He's had plenty of time to change and improve his writing skills and I think it shows.

Mean response: Nigga this is about the fucking halloween hack. He made that when he was 15. Just because you're mentally stuck in your teenage years doesn't mean everybody else in the world is.

>>715412451
I thought for sure I was doing the weird route accidently. Especially when you get the White Robe

>>715413861
Named mine after a Soviet cartoon character.

>>715414237
Wow, a vision that was already realised by Spec Ops: The Line. Bravo, Toby san.

Wes Anderson directs a Deltarune movie, what happens in it?

>>715414353
Just move the SOUL around in a box in ways that feel fun and design bullet patterns around that.

>>715414059
>I liked Undertale a lot, but I'm not going to pretend the worst part about it wasn't the part where it tries to convince you that just by being around and playing the game you're somehow doing something "bad" and "should stop pls :("
I see this a lot but I think it's a bit of a misinterpretation. Toby is telling to you let it lay, but not because he thinks playing the game makes you a bad person or whatever. I think it's something much simpler: he thinks your time with the game should end on a high note. The last memories he wants you to take with you are your emotions after getting an ending for the first time, not boredom as you lose interest in a game you've seen a thousand times before.

>>715414159
all of that is great.. on the first playthrough. replayed for snowgrave and the boredom starts to stack up faster than i expected. the sword route was kino though i won't complain about that

>>715413861
Lol
thats it

Alphys is fucking hot and damn does she have the worst porn.
This game is gay

>>715414159
Same.
My only guess is that the people who complain are those that only want battles, and not character interactions? Or maybe they were just expecting Toby to give them the answers to every question posed so far, instead of a fun romp.
And it's not even long, once you know what you're doing. Especially since you don't have to skip through dialogue (other than some specific instances)

>>715414508
It might be up his alley visually, considering how everything is laid out on a grid in it.

>>715414479
The Halloween Hack predates Spec Ops by nearly 4 years. Toby did it first.

>>715414353
absolute giga brainlet

>>715414378
hasn't he been spending the past decade writing about the fever dream he had when he was a teenager, with all the same characters and ideas from then? are "lack of choice" and "the player physically forcing a half-dead vessel to move forward" not primary themes of deltarune?
that said: i always thought his own write-up was full of fart-huffing and kind of stupid because he equates 'feeling empowered' with 'making choices;'
>games nowadays always make you feel so empowered when you'er really not choosing anything.
and I have to wonder what games he was actually playing other than dogshit JRPGs that were rightfully untranslated for 15 years because they're actually garbage. yeah no shit you're not really choosing anything in most games. his entire hack is honestly no more complex than going up to a dungeon in a game that asks "Do you want to enter the Dungeon of Doom? YES/NO" and yeah you can pick no but you know you have to pick yes to go forward with the game and no one has ever considered that being empowered, it's just the nature of video games.

i wonder if toby ever played tabletop games where you actually do have a lot of choice and can bargain with the DM. i think that would blow his mind a little

>WELL, SPRING CHANGED TO SUMMER, AND SUMMER CHANGED TO COLD. AND SURE ENOUGH, I AM THE FORGOTTEN MAN.
>WILL YOU FORGET ME TOO?

>>715414471
Refreshing

>>715414237
Toby is embarrassed of this thing's existence, why are people so certain that he's going to build Deltarune around it?

>>715414581
MOON did it first.

>>715414632
Honestly he shouldn't be, I played it for the first time last week and while it's definitely not nearly as refined as his later stuff it's actually really forward-looking for a game in 2008, especially one made by a teenager

>>715412130
>Asriel and Hammer of justice
Uhhhh Old College Try

No anon, Deltarune isn’t going to be TORtanic, you need to move on already

>>715410162 (OP)
I thought it was fine, I just got worn out on the game-inside a game segments early on. Once we got past that, the rest of the chapter was fine, and I thoroughly enjoyed the boss battles against Tenna and the Knight. Plus the Susie/Ralsei interactions at the start of the chapter were cool.

>>715414632
He can't wipe it from existence (despite his best attempts across the internet and its archives) so the next best thing is to re-use everything from it that he isn't embarrassed about (everything other than the eat shit faggots line, he's still all about gays and quirky dialogue and weird smells and jarpigs) and just make the new thing totally overshadow the old one. Which is already happening, if you haven't noticed, nobody gives a fuck about the Halloween Hack other than pessimistic /v/ schizos. He's embarrassed about it in the same way he's embarrassed about taking so much from Mother 3 and telling you to not play it because you'll see how much he did that in an interview: it's all a big joke because <1% of Deltarune customers will ever even look into that stuff.

>>715413273
It's about Genocide and Snowgrave.
Sans's dialogue during his special attack beats you over the head with "you're only doing this because you think you have to."
Not about people just not liking Deltarune.

>>715414632
>Toby is embarrassed of this thing's existence
Not every part, mind you

>>715414581
They've been experimenting with games with themes of control since 1997 you goddamn philistine. Moon says hi.

>yfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ8WG4vzYmE

How do you think we're gonna be properly introduced to Friend as a character?

>>715412130
>Mauswheel x Rabbick
I was hoping the second one would be some major character so it's more absurd and funny this is just kinda boring

Has anyone ever actually tried making butterscotch cinnamon pie? There are a lot of recipes out there, would love to know if any are particularly good or bad

>Moon

>>715410302
This Jannie is pissing me off

I'm the original starwalker

>>715414534
Toby seems to have an "agenda" for players that want to see 100% of a game's content and I'm not sure I agree with it 100%
like, is anyone ACTUALLY playing this game No Mercy?
Not snowgrave, just fighting enemies and not sparing.
I'm not sure how to put it in a way that makes the most sense, but I dislike that there's about less than 33% of game content that 95% of players will NEVER see because
>it's the option I'm not supposed to pick! I'm choosing :)
Sure, it's probably the 'neutral' or 'bad' ending, but it has to be there, and it has to be potent, to make ACTing feel more like a conscious decision and not
>This game says I don't have to kill people, so I'm NEVER, EVER going to choose Fight, because I know that's the bad people option already! :)

Is the Forgotten Man trying to help Kris remember their trauma? Or is it something else?

>>715414920
that spells moon!

>>715414873
I've caught myself humming the man theme more than I'd like to admit.

>>715414920
over june

>>715414972
If he really had a grude he wouldn't put so much effort into the content that you could only access by doing 100%. Nintendo rewards you with a gold shit trophy for getting all the korok seeds. Toby gives you the best fights in the game and arguably the most iconic music that defines the game itself when you 100% it.

What if deltarune took place in Brazil?

>>715410162 (OP)
Cause repeating "Summer Resort" 3 times to get S Rank is fucking annoying, the second we left the TV section the chapter became actually half decent.

>>715414797
Even the "eat shit faggots" thing makes sense in context, since the character saying it is supposed to be a deeply closeted homophobic gay man in denial who's completely losing his shit, lashing out and foisting his own (perceived) flaws on Varik. It's not a coincidence that the Magicant area starts off with you meeting memory fragments of Andonuts' childhood peers making fun of him for being effete and ends with him lashing out childishly and futilely.
Now, is the whole rant still very clumsily-written? Yes, absolutely. But I think there's a solid core to that line and it's not just using the word faggot to sound edgy.

>>715414972
I always found it kinda annoying how the game suddenly started locking content behind pacifism and recruiting after I was allowed to beat people up in Chapter 1 without losing anything other than the Reunited-style walk back segment
Now it's even worse because the game straight up kills off characters that you want to spare if you don't get enough recruits
I like being able to use the weapons the game sells me

>>715415074
Damn am I going to have to replay every chapter just to get the eggs?

>>715414883
God

>>715415227
Just mod them into your save file or something

>>715412130
>Get like 6 items in row
>https://deltarune.wiki/w/Player
>Then https://deltarune.wiki/w/Virovirokun
>Virovirokun greentext
Oh no

>>715415074
Genocide is content that 95% of players will never do themselves. Flowey has a hand-waving comment about it how
>even though you're a monster, at least you're actually here, and not doing it vicariously!
Even though it's fun, the music is great, the dramatic tension is choice, it's
>content I'm not supposed to see because it's for bad people, and I'm not a bad person!

>>715415205
All you really lose is castle town stuff, which so far is mostly unimportant side stuff.

>It's another "erm... is Toby Fox saying I'm EVIL for playing his game???" episode
We need to start raping these people

>>715414237
I like the amount of thought he put into the Halloween Hack. Makes me think that the subversive nature and high quality of Undertale wasn't an accident, and that there's more where that came from. It also makes me more confident about trying to think about the possible unfolding of events in Deltarune from the thematic standpoint, since it's clearly something that Toby puts a great deal of care into when making a game.
>>715414632
If he was that embarrassed, he wouldn't have put a reference to Dr Andonuts's iconic statement into Deltarune.

>>715414873
I wanna make a FRIEND version of that gif.

>>715412130
>Noelle Holiday
Oh cool, I sure hope I get a silly new Noelle ship that's not incest. Or it'd be even better if I can double down on my favorite, Kriselle--
>Knight
Are you fucking kidding me.

>>715415454
But Noelle x Papyrus isn't incest?

>>715415186
>if you hate the gays you're secretly a gay
he was so far ahead of the curve in strawmanning it's unbelievable

Friend is definitely a cat!
Friend is definitely a chair!
Friend is definitely an amalgamate!

Is friend supposed to be Susie's stupid chair or Noelle's cat petterz egg or is it both somehow the chair would be so fucking lame

>>715413021
it's a good game

Here's a batshit theory. Deltarune is a videogame inside of the video game. This was foreshadowed by the Sword route in chapter 3.

>>715415616
The world of DELTARUNE IS a video game. It's why Kris suddenly doesn't want to play video games anymore despite being described as a gamer.
It's too meta for him.

>>715415529
Bull! BULL! Friend is not a BOWL! Friend is not a coat! Friend is not a closet!

>>715415294
I think this is a misread of the genocide route. Toby doesn't think you are "evil" for doing the genocide route. Toby thinks you are bored.

You have seen everything that Undertale has to offer and now the only thing left to do is to level up your stats to the maximum and kill everybody just to see what happens. You become no different from Flowey, who did it for the same reasons. Chara (who is really a joke about how people name the characters after themselves in RPGs) erases the world and asks you to move on to "other worlds". As in, other videogames.

It's really just Toby's disdain for completionists shining through (see also: Delrarune's PS trophies). And also a comment on how you typically level up on RPGs through violence.

>>715415529
I honestly don't think FRIEND is gonna be another Mike fakeout, it was shown with a jumpscare in an unskippable (on your first run) Dark World exposition cutscene and showed up in the mysterious ass Shadow Mantle fight
I hope he won't be a Mike fakeout at least

>>715411927
I only remember it because of how forgettable it was, funnily enough. On a replay it was a large gap in my recollection of the game. But I think the maus thing with the balloons is nice for what it is and Susie references Tails Gets Trolled so I don't hate it

>>715414059
>the worst part about it wasn't the part where it tries to convince you that just by being around and playing the game you're somehow doing something "bad" and "should stop pls :("
I don't understand why it's such a big issue for you. Should pieces of media never challenge you? Or make you feel bad? The intention is to subvert existing tropes and make you think. It's a worthwhile experience. Undertale wouldn't be as popular as it is if it wasn't for its exploration of a wide spectrum of emotions. It treats your actions with weight appropriate to the nature of those actions. Undertale's meta elements are integral to the plot, so it's only natural, that meta choices also carry the same weight.

>>715415729
Fine! I admit it. You're a better man than me-e-e! You happ-e?

>>715415745
But WHY does he hate completionists? I don't get it.

>>715415834
I couldn't tolerate reading more than your opening line.
It's fucking 2025 and every single IP is burning themselves down in subversion and I'm supposed to think to myself,
>Wow, I feel so challenged by this media!
Maybe I'll start doing that. It sounds funny, actually.

In general I think the thread that connects all of Toby's games from the Halloween Hack forward is that he's very interested in how we tend to talk about game protagonists in the first-person and wants to toy around with that.

>>715415871
Because he's Episcapalian.

>>715412859
LGBT shit is the new emo, but lamer and more retarded.

>>715415663
Kris wants to break free, just like HERO_SWORD did.

>>715415990
Rebellious cultures of any kind are gay and retarded.
>wahhh wahhhh I hate LE SYSTEM and LE SOCIETY so I'm gonna be LE DIFFERENT!!!!
Fuck off and go live in a shitty hut in an island or somewhere then.

>>715415969

>>715412859
There is one and it's because it's supposed to be a neutral vessel for the player to self insert as
Take your meds

I need Catty (((Cattenheimer)))'s big Khazar milkers in my face right fucking NOW

>>715415892
Nigga, Undertale is all about fucking subversion. If you don't like subversion, then it's not a game for you. It's okay, you don't have to like everything that's popular. It's a damn shame, because I find the game very narratively compelling and it's not just subversion for subversion's sake, but if you simply cannot stomach such things because of your mental association with less-than-stellarly executed pieces of media, then that's fine.

>>715414119
looking back, that's probably why kris was so attached to asriel in the past
he used to take him out to the diner even as their family was falling apart, and let kris use the good stuff they had while he used the knockoffs
not having asriel around is probably what directly led to kris getting roped into carol's plan, she probably started telling him things he wanted to hear and didn't have anyone to pull him back to reality

>>715416154
Wow, I feel so challenged by this media!

edgy Pic

>>715415745
>>715415871
Completionism is fundamentally at odds with engaging with a game on its own terms and accepting its natural "ending"
You should play a game until you're satisfied and no more, you shouldn't keep playing something out of obligation or try to squeeze every last drop of fun out of it until it gets old
>but I'm only satisfied by completing everything the game has to offer
Well, that's fine, Toby is not actually mad at you for playing his game. The game is just asking you WHY you can't be satisfied after putting in the work to get the best ending for everyone. You did all of that, you care about these characters, why do you want to throw it all away just to get another ending that's the worst outcome for everyone, including you?

Woooaoooh awooooaaahh woah woah ah

Story of Undertale~~~~~

>>715416154
What's well excuted about baby's first high school drama with lesbians?

>>715416195
Don't be childish, faggot. Go play Call of Duty or something.

>I thought they were goners...?
Man, how the fuck did I miss this?

>>715416242
and anotha one lol

Goodnight guys

>>715416248
Characters arent real, and games are meant to be played. You can still appreciate characters outside of the context of what happens in "video game canon" as tumblr has shown more than ever.

>>715416342
Hot damn

>>715416342
good night king

>>715416374
>Characters arent real, and games are meant to be played.
Perfect then, so just play the game to completion if that's what you find fun. Who cares if the game criticizes you or makes fun of you for it? It's just a game, after all.

>>715416374
>Characters arent real, and games are meant to be played.
Exactly. So what's the problem?

>>715415521
Wasn't that the thing, like, since Freud?

>>715410880
Chapter 1 feels fucking ancient now. Chapter 3 and especially 4 sent that shit straight to senior citizenship.

>>715415853
How the fuck is toby gonna make the E gimmick work in japanese, which doesn't have the letter E?

>>715416264
you thought it was gonna be another love letter to earthbound and RPGs but it's actually just love triangle shipping slop with some boss fights in between. subversion, bitch!

>>715411281
I need more of whatever this is.

>>715416512
perfect

Anyone have the script of Chara saying her favorite number is 9 because there's nothing higher?

>>715416445
I dunno, ask Toby.

>>715416490
it probably won't work or feel awkward like the Jackenstein fight did with the "Too Too"

Tenna's theme is slightly above average

>>715416557

>>715416374
If you don't care then why are you so mad at the game for having the world react according to your actions?

>>715416591
Thanks

>>715416591
666 is just 999 upside-down

>>715416445
The problem is unironically autism

>>715416608
I'm not mad, Toby is.I'm asking why is he mad?

>>715416591
>so I don't like to keep count of the flowers they pick, or the times that they laugh
Or the times that Susie blushed in presence of Noelle

grrrrr TOBYYYYYYY!!!!!

>>715416342
what do the random dots mean
what evil shit is encoded in this image

>>715416590
Faggot image, faggor opinion.

>>715416342
I missed you...

>>715414596
>about the fever dream he had when he was a teenager, with all the same characters and ideas from then?
He had the dream and conceptualized Deltarune / its characters in 2011, by that point he was an adult. He made the hack in 2006, when he was ~16. There's thematic similarities between Kris and Varik but people acting like Toby hasn't developed as a writer since 2006 are retarded, he's capable of executing those ideas in a more graceful manner
>because he equates 'feeling empowered' with 'making choices'
I'm inclined to agree with him to a degree due to the amount of frustration I've witnessed over Kris' role in restricting the player even though Deltarune is mostly a narratively linear experience. A ton of people want their proper Vessel back and the freedom that entails. What is that if not empowerment

You guys ready to beat the shit out of Kris in Noelle's body?

>it's another midwit thinking Toby is angry at him for playing genocide

every argument in favor of "you're autistic for wanting to 100% a game and grind to see all the numbers go up" falls apart in the face of "you're autistic enough to code in extra content and boss fights for me doing so"

>>715413840
thats the angel (us) getting banish from kris and regaining the vessel

Toby doesn't want me to play Genocide that's why they put the song exclusive to the Genocide route in Smash Bros

>>715416851
i want my fucking puppet
just like gaster intended

CHESHIRE CAT HELP ME

>>715416852
Toby is angry at me for playing genocide
Toby is angry at me for raping the doe
Toby is angry at me for making theories
Toby is angry at me for misgendering Kris
Can't do shit in this game

You're very fragile if you think Toby is mad at you for playing the game he made just because the characters in the game get mad at you for killing them.
If you're not having fun, well just stop playing then luv.

>>715417018
If Toby didn't want me to rape the doe, then why did he put it in the game, huh? Checkmate atheists. Emphasis on the "mate" part.

>>715417018
>dev makes reference to himself in character dialogue

So we're all on the same page that the fountains are all created by different characters, right?
I mean it's obvious Alvin cancelled choir practice to create the first fountain in Chapter 4, what, after digging up his fathers ashes?

>>715417018
I find the idea of a game dev making a game specifically to be ass-mad about you playing it to be hilarious.

>>715416846
I feel like 21 year olds aren't really adults either regardless of number. There are a lot of very stupid or very childish people whose age starts with 2.
>he's capable of executing those ideas in a more graceful manner
The dialogue in the Hack itself is plenty graceful, honestly. It's just his own write-up afterwards that reads like download-count-induced autofellatio and makes me cringe.
To hop in on the last part, I want my Vessel back because I don't know what the fuck will or would happen afterwards and it's the very first thing you see in the game before it gets whisked away off of stage right. I'm not expecting there to be any real freedom, that's stupid, it's still Deltarune and at most you're gonna have some funny dialogue boxes pop up and you can pick from 1 of 3 different "Tell me about..."s like it's Monkey Island. It's more of an autistic hangup, a sort of 'you showed me this thing at the very start of the game, 7 years and 60 hours of gameplay later it hasn't showed up again, so when it comes back it better shake up the setting in a big way simply by virtue of its existence and what it entails, and if it never shows up again then it's a complete waste of a plot element and I will be disappointed.'

>video game where the main subversive twist is that it's an RPG where killing the enemies is actually treated like killing someone by the characters
>kill enemies
>characters in story treat the player character like he killed someone
>"what the FUCK"

All of the titans are specifically black human men

Out of these 5, who would you rather share a meal with?

>>715416994
That's not your puppet, that's your child.

>>715417221
don't play it that way, just buy a ralsei plush instead if you want to show your love for it :^)

>>715417221
>Toby making top tier fire shit in FL Studio while angry-crying and whimpering "G-G-God I hope no one actually h-hears this in the game... grrrrRRRRRR..."

>>715417279
Gerson, it's not even a contest dude. Spamton for the memes though.

>>715410880
Chapter 1 is passable for the start of the series, it's easily the hardest one to replay now.
Every other chapter is top tier and in general Tobias Foxworthy is making an amazing game that is greater than the sum of its parts.

>>715417221
Toby just spending 2013-2015 sitting down at his computer every day with a perfect >:( on his face while he codes UT

>>715417279
Gerson or Ramb
Easy

>>715417303
I wasn't talking about Toby's games specifically, since I think framing it that way is way too reductionist. I meant more so that idea in the abstract. It's really fucking funny.

FRIEND please help me...

>>715417279
Only Gerson and Ramb are reasonable.
Everyone else would freak out for their own reasons.
Except the mantle, probably would laugh at you then coerce you to stab someone instead.

>>715417279
Probably Ramb

>>715417319
>Toby taking the same melody he already used 6 times, changing the sound front from EARTHBOU~.midi to ACEATT.midi, and watching as 3000 Youtubers make hour long videos about THE LEITMOTIFS YOU MISSED IN DELTARUNE (AND WHAT THEY MEAN)

>>715416512
well done

>>715417361
I mean, considering he was absolute ass at coding back then and included some variables named "WHY THE FUCK WON'T THIS WORK" or something along the lines, this might not be too far off.

>>715417428
If you want to see a work created by someone who feels nothing but sheer contempt for his audience, look no further than Homestuck.

>>715417221
That's half of the indie games out today, and some AAA games.

>>715417196
Toriel cancelled choir practice because it was raining and she wanted to go fuck Sans.
The main fountains of Chapter 1, 2 and 4 were created by The Knight. Kris created the Chapter 3 foutnain, obviously.
Alvin MIGHT have created the first fountain in Chapter 4? It would explain how Gerson was revived, why the fountain was unusually thin, and why he was keeping Gerson's dust in his office in the first place.
But then Gerson turns out to still be around to save the day in the Third Sanctuary anyway, so we can't say that's strong evidence either way.

>>715417512
I'd say it's vice versa, some indie games but the majority of AAA games. You aren't a player, you're barely even a customer, you're just a number and your worth is how many battle passes and skins you buy. Indie games at least have the decency sometimes to measure your worth by how much fanart you make instead since they have a $0 advertising budget.

>>715417503
I think there's a hint of that in The Beginner's Guide. But the game dev is a character in the narrative.

>>715416512
Wonderful, a new gif to schizopost with.

>>715417279
Gerson, he has a lot of wisdom and stories to share. Ramb seems like a nice guy but I'm not Kris so we have no history together, The Knight maybe seems alright if they don't have a reason to kill you, ERAM, Jevil, and Spamton all seem incredibly unpleasant to be around for various reasons. ERAM is always taunting Kris, Jevil is a violent maniac, and Spamton is a desperate maniac

So after you complete chapter 4, a portal opens to castle town. You can go into the cafe and seat the recruits from that chapter. But how can you do that if Kris hadn't taken the objects from the church to the supply closet?

nerf the knight

>>715417667
It's an abstraction so you can fuck around and play the minigames without having to start a new file or wait for Chapter 5 to come out

BUFF JACKENSTEIN

>>715416454
>Go back to Undertale because I was talking about Deltarune and a possible connection from Undertale
>It's so fucking dated and old

New House for Susie

what's the deal with the Annoying Dog showing up at the end of the genocide route and saying "Fuck you so much for playing my game"

>>715417769
new house for kris and susie
both of them clearly hate being in their respective current homes

>>715417769
New.......... HOOOOME

>>715417748
HOW MUCH MORE BUFF DO YOU NEED HIM TO BE????

FRIEND's laughing jumpscare is another similarity to Chara btw

I hope we get a scene where Noelle dresses up like Alice and FRIEND is there too

From Now On > Rude Buster
and it isn't even close

Does anyone have that sopranos image where Kris says he's working with the knight alongside frozen fish? I forgot to save it.

>>715417907
abysmal taste

Whenever someone mentions FRIEND in all caps I imagine the "friend" from You've Got a Friend In Me/Friend Inside Me superimposed on their speech like a YTP

>>715412130

Star Walker and Pair of Eyes?

>>715417907
Acceptable, but Ruder Buster clears both.
https://youtu.be/N117e1Ub39A?si=4rIgIiWKq1NpsHJq&t=66

>>715417943

>chapter 0 flashback starts
>starts off mentioning that its Featuring Music from "bo en"

>>715417907
agree, but ruder buster > both

>>715417976
OH SHIP

>>715417943
>>715418025

>>715418062

>>715418025
Based, thanks Anon

>>715418126
>long way down
>two story building at MOST
she's going to just end up right back inside.

>>715417836
I love this big nigga like you wouldnt believe

>>715412130
>two characters
but I want to ship Broken Keys x ??????

>>715417751
I think the gameplay, the combat system, the way you encounter enemies, the graphics, etc. all feel dated compared to Deltarune. There were also many quality of life improvements. But the writing in Undertale is so on point that it makes up for it. In my view the pacing, the characters, the multiple routes, etc. are all done better in Undertale. And the setting design and atmosphere. It's all just very cohesive and magical. The lore of Undertale is also more expansive and complete. Plus the combat system is still very fun, even if I overall prefer the one in Deltarune. The upper ceiling for fight difficulty in Undertale is also much higher than in Deltarune, and the difficulty is nicely supported by its purpose in the narrative.

>>715417279
So what do they have in common again?
Jevil, Spamton, Knight and Gerson are the 'secret bosses' but Ram and Eram are ... not? You don't even battle Ram.

I can kick Spamton, he seems the best to just have around. Gerson would annoy me because he's old and trying to teach me to be a better person. The rest are too evil to feel comfortable being around.

>>715417898
Will you accept the Antlered Girl's Sister?

>>715417557
And even that amount of whoring out isn't good enough, because if not enough whales are simultaneously whoring out at the maximum, then they kill the servers and tell everyone to eat shit.
Then the whales, battered wives that they are, invest in the next sloppa, eager to start the cycle anew.

Black Souls has ruined everything Alice related to me
I can't look at FRIEND without remembering the Cheshire Cat sex scenes and jumpscare

>>715418275
I do still really like Undertale, although a lot of it does feel like "You had to be there" for a lot of the humor to land, and each decade after release it'll probably lose a bit more magic, although, the core and heart of it is solid, and it's amazing Toby slapped together with so many variables.

It just definitely feels like a """first"""" game in contrast.

>>715418069
FUCK YOU! GOTTA HEL!

So who is the man with the one eye that the philosophers talk about in the pre-egg room?

You know what. Fuck it. When I make my game, I'll include a dark evil secret route with a complex way to complete it. After the player figures it out, I'll call them out on it saying how they are a terrible person end how disappointed I am that they went down this route

>>715418391
prunsel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2PJbTuZlTU

>>715418429
grab the ip of every one that plays your game and spend the rest of your days emailing them strongly worded letters to prove you meant it

>>715412130
https://deltarune.wiki/w/Tasque_Manager
https://deltarune.wiki/w/Knight
MAKE IT HAPPEN TOBERT

>>715418429
And take a photo of yourself making a really exaggerated angry face, then have the game say
>This was my face the entire time I coded the route you just played. I was angry at the thought of you playing it, and I still am now. Fuck you.
while it fills the screen with it.

>>715418429
i'm pretty sure something along these lines happens in SHRIFT, there's an "evil route" with an unkillable final boss because the dev didn't like that people were doing it

>>715418429
Make sure you include the following text, to really drive the message home:
>This is the developer of this game talking. I want you to know, that I think you're a gigantic faggot for playing through my game this way.
>PS. Fuck you.

>>715418507
DON'T MAKE IT HAPPEN TOBERT
The last thing we need is another tomboy turned lesbian

>>715412524
Theres no fucking way Kris is not male

>>715417279
Gerson, then I'd suck his cock

>>715418429
I'm gonna do this but it's the ONLY route of the game and no matter how you try to avoid it or subvert it, something comes along and fucks it up, and the culprit tells you "I only did this because of what you did, so in a way this is YOUR fault and I'm innocent, so thanks for that!"
And then after the credits I'll say "fuck you for buying my game, good luck getting a refund!" because I made the game just long enough that even on speedruns, it's long enough to be impossible to refund on Steam.

>>715418495
Great song

What are the implications of "lost girl" being consistently, deliberately left untranslated (fully English) in the Japanese version?
It's obviously for a double meaning that wouldn't work in Japanese, but what specifically does "lost" allude to? That the real Dess was "lost" to whatever happened to make her the Knight?

I LOVE SUSIE

>>715418841
what are the implications of you reposting this constantly?

>>715418865
So does Kris.

>>715418868
What are the implications of you sucking cock?

>Here's your chapter 6 secret boss

>>715418835
and a great ass that puts Rouxls Kaard's to shame no less.

>>715418907
what are the implications of you being a cock obsessed faggot?

>>715418495
Is he using those Gabe the Dog samples that were poppin' back in the day, or are those bark-like sounds from something else?

>>715418967
he likes cock's

>>715418865
we're very proud of you, now go to bed you have school tomorrow child

>>715418914
Did Tenna ever learn Rouxls's name? Or acknowledge him at all outside of "Who the hell was that?" Because it'd be hilarious if he didn't.

>>715419082
Nope, he never met him and his name was never mentioned to Tenna. lol

shut up toriel

Megalovania was made by accident when Toby repeatedly banged his head against his keyboard with FL Studio open out of sheer rage for the idea of somebody playing the genocide route and the keys his forehead smashed coincidentally formed a 2-and-a-half minute song (coincidentally matching the song he made for the halloween hack, which he similarly composed by rage-headsmashing his keyboard at the idea of someone playing his romhack)

>>715418751
But he's old.

>>715419142
And the fucker STOLE his debit card

>>715419162
This was the THIRD time he did this actually, the second time was when he angrily smashed his head against the keyboard to compose a song for Homestuck, which, coincidentally, was the exact same configuration of notes and instruments as Megalovania.

>>715419161
She's just hungry. I got something for her.

What happens if you're caught in the maze during chapter 4? When you have to run away back to the start of the maze?

>Kris
>Noelle's personal nickname for Kris being "Krismas"
>Asgore is known for being totally incapable of naming things and Toriel is known for just agreeing with him
>If Asgore named Kris, it would have to be something totally obvious (like Kris for "knife" or Kris for "Christmas")
>But if Rudy named Kris. Then it would be the exact same.
>The happy years of Kris's childhood are defined, by Tenna, as sitting around the TV with the whole Holiday and Dreemurr family and watching the (Christmas) specials
>The Dreemurr family TV is locked by a parental lock set to "1225"
>That is, that's what the DREEMURR family TV is set to, for some reason
>Kris glued all the Santas at Noelle's place shut to "Starve them"
>Kris is as traumatized by the word "December" as Noelle is and refuses to say it
>Noelle is frightened by Santa Claus
>Lancer, for some reason, thinks that Santa Claus is evil and thinks his "HO HO HO" laugh should scare someone

What the fuck is going on with Chrismas?

>>715419162
Most of Sans's attack patterns were first doodled in a MS Paint drawing titled "Things I wish I could do to people who get to the final boss in my evil route". This is where the first draft of what would become the Gaster Blaster is found, captioned simply "mfw".

Rudy did say he'd kick her ass.

>>715419359
Dess died on Christmas. The rest is schizobabble. We don't even know if the dreemurrs named Kris

>>715419423
Rudy also said that he'd go to the prom with Asgore when they were 16 if he just asked (weird thing to hold onto 20 years later)

>wields swords
>wears ribbons
>hope is crossed outon her heart
>LOVE/ love has found its way to her
>is the only one able to wear the delicate gloves that come with the princess ribbon, which is found with the tail of hell
now i don't want to jump to conclusions here, but it seems very possible that kris is the girl

the canonical name for the genocide route is actually the nigger route, since you'd have to be a violent pavement ape to play the genocide route, yes, i am racist but only towards genocide route players

I liked the sweet cap'n cakes song

>>715419517
Thanks toby

>>715419517
Get back to work giving us more reindeer games to play, Toby.

>>715419359
Santa shouldn't exist in deltarune, that's why he's scary. He's a fictional entity from the real world who's so prelevant and ingrained in real world culture that he permutates almost every work of fiction with a wintery area in it. he's like ICE-E in that sense. A fictional entity so wide-spread it ends up as essential to reality as that which is actually real.
Santa existing in undertale didnt make sense. Santa existing in deltarune doesn't make sense. but he does. Because he's from our real world. Even if he's fictional. Noelle can see this. And she's terrified.

>>715419570
which one

>>715419517
You can't unrape the deer, Tony. We know what you intended.

>>715418286
Source?

>>715419364
Chara has a pink blush and is called "murderboy" because he's Toby's interpretation of someone who'd play his evil route, a tiny sissy bitch boy who only cares about grinding because he's a faggot

>>715419517
Wow, the real Tobithert Foxtrot in muh Deltarune thread. I'm so honored. What was that about niggers again, Toby?

>>715419593
The one that plays when you dance with them. The fight sucks but I liked the song

>>715419603
crackratart

>>715419503
Kris is trans

>>715419481
>The rest is schizobabble
Are you really pointing at the one fucking thing that is a completely made up theory (Kris's name) and brushing away the rest.
All of those are objectively truthful info-points. No interpretation. Those are just things that are actually in the game and stated to be true.

>>715419598
what happened to noelle was actually a reference to a certain summer event that was described perfectly by my friends at NJPW
>>715419624
the genocide route is actually the nigger route, and the weird route is actually the detroit route, refering to the types of "people" attracted to those routes, "people" which i very much personally despise

the fuck is wrong with him?

>>715419517
Thank you Tony, very cool!

>>715419775
he just wanted Kris to be happy and everyone fucking hated him for it

>>715419701
phobic

>>715416512
based

>>715419769
Toby, I'm gonna level with you, calling it the nigger route might not go over well with the public. Have you thought about maybe softening it up a bit? Something like the african-american route?

>>715419610
Undertale was reportedly very hard to playtest for because if a tester ever selected the FIGHT command, Toby would barge through the door of the testing room screaming "NOOOO!!!" and show them that the game was designed so that fighting was actually unnecessary and bad. Testers who continued to fight enemies were made to leave via whacks from a broomstick.

The actual reason Noelle is the angel is because Toby wrote the story to banish her for playing evil routes in video games

>>715419903
i will admit my hatred for the subhumans who enjoy the genocide nigger route does blind my judgement, i will take your recommendations into consideration though, thank you

>>715410162 (OP)
Susie is the real protagonist, not Kris or the Soul.

cactus marriage theory

>>715419990
Mr Fox might I suggest it just be called Niggercide Route?

>>715410162 (OP)
The side content, even though it's alright (I wouldn't necessarily call it "good") reeks of leftover ideas being stitched together haphazardly.

The idea for a TV dark world is perfect and we were all anticipating it (for FOUR years), and then it hits and first it seems to be game show themed, then it just turns into a shitty zelda clone (of which there are TWO versions, one where you use a camera and one where you can attack).

Then it's a bunch of shitty mini-games (as a preamble to the fact that the boss fight in this chapter would be warioware themed fwiw, which was an actual great concept), and there goes another hour.

Then it's back to the shitty retro zelda again and there's like six of them. And there's another hour.

And then, FINALLY, the chapter starts, not without a few more secret zeldas because fuck you, and interspersed game show sections again because fuck you again.

It felt like padding to prevent us from getting to the real story developments too quickly.

yes, you read that right

>>715410162 (OP)
How about I tell you that this game was bad from the start and will continue to be bad

>>715419941
the beta name for snowgrave being "This Is Literally What I'm Going To Do To All Of You In Real Life" route was a little weird I gotta admit

>>715420034
uh yeah no shit anon, did you skip chapters 1 and 2

>>715419903
I agree, maybe you should call it the "Nigga Route" after the 2007 song by Gangsta Rap.

>>715419775
Every darkner in the entire game is just adhering to kayfabe and playing pretend. Queen knows who Kris is. King knows who Kris is. Jevil knows who Kris is. Ramb loves Kris like family and wants him to be happy, so he broke kayfabe to try and convince Kris that there's some other path than the one he's taking. "Games shouldn't be work."

>>715420052
>>715420101
sounds like a good enough compromise to me!
thank you all for your suggestions, i love all of the people who play my games except for the subhuman cancer who went through the evil routes who i very much hate, one day they shall be put in chambers of death and the world will be a better place

>>715412130
>Asriel and Starwalker
I'M THE ORIGINAL
GOATFUCKER

>>715420143
can you speak on the people that play fangames

Mini Kris walking out of the screen and trying to stab Kris/Susie is foreshadowing that when you complete the Weird Route, Toby Fox will walk out of your screen and stab you in real life
He's going to force GameMaker at gunpoint to add a teleportation device LTS update for this before Chapter 7 comes out

>>715420143
This is the real toby btw

>>715420234
yellow is good because foxgirls are good so anyone who played that is good on my eyes as long as they like the fox or didn't play niggocide
most other fan games rely on the chimpout route way too much so they're on my list of """people""" i personally wish horrible harm and death upon

>>715420104
>Every darkner in the entire game is just adhering to kayfabe and playing pretend
Elaborate

>>715420281
I think it'll just blue screen your computer, not kill (you)

>>715420379
Holy shit you really are the real Toby©®™ (true) (real) (verified)

>>715419775
Kris caught the Knight off-guard by opening the fountain, and she couldn't give Ramb the crystal in time

>>715420281
That implies one couldn't beat the shit out of him, and for the record I actually did so a very long time ago.

>>715420281
>the update they were waiting for GameMaker to put into the game was the going out of games machine

>>715420415
I mean he literally just says this at his little desk I dunno how you could possibly miss this without speedrunning and ignoring everything.

Oh shit, the real Tony Fox is here

>>715419589
Unironically kino if correct

after a stain upon the earth completes the niggocide route in undertale or locks into the detroit route in deltarune, the game immediately collects every piece of private information it can on these submonsters and places it on a database to be used for world improvement soon
>>715420281
you know too much

>>715420504
But that's when the Real Life Player Soul comes in
See, Toby isn't just angry at you for playing genocide and snowgrave, he's angry at you for playing his games at all and that's why Kris is uncomfortable with being possessed
So he's also going to force GameMaker to add a demon summoning function that puts a SOUL inside you (so you know how Kris feels!) that forces you to stand still and let him stab you

>>715417221
>I find the idea of a game dev making a game specifically to be ass-mad about you playing it to be hilarious.
Dev rage is a special kind of balm for the soul.

>>715420281
>>715420541
>Toby's magnum opus is triggering the dimensional merge and making his OCs real

>>715420379
god dammit

>>715420143
That's very cool, Toby. One more question before we waste anymore of your precious time. I read in an interview you gave recently, that you said, and I quote: "those filthy genocide-route-playing subhumans will be put to death on the gas chamber altar of the great Führer". I gotta ask, who's the Führer? Will that be a new character in the next Deltarune chapter?

Your choices don't fucking matter

>>715420714
g-g-gomenasorry toburi-kun.....

Does anyone else feel like the story is lacking trans inclusion? It feels a little terf-y that there's so much inclusion and yet no overtly trans people to speak of

>>715420641
it's asgore, thanks for your question
>>715420617
the SOUL has been sent to your location for revealing too much, goodbye

i can't believe this annoying aggravating buttfuck retard got referenced before muffet officially showed up

>>715410162 (OP)
People disliked it?
I didn't really tour the threads because I just thought it was a nice game and moved on.
Is it because there's no "secret boss"?

>>715420764
NO TOBY I'M SORRY PLEASE FORGIVE ME I'LL STOP PLAYING YOUR 3hinesifbsoidhfiash g erhery4e 8 8349ug4e8gue rij gl jskj s (composing Megalovania)

i'm making >>715420818 do the lancer dance too by the way

>>715420714

>>715411409
Queen is everyone’s mom
>controlling toward Noelle
>neglectful toward Berdly
>drunk and irresponsible around Kris

>>715420795
It has both the Shadow Mantle boss and The Knight though

FUCK Gaster. I hope that little bitch gets MURDERED by our HEROES when the time comes.

>>715420550
I thought he was simply RAMBling about things that never happened but it could also be due to the fact that dark worlds seem to interact even when no dark fountain is present to connect those worlds.

Still its weird asf how can kids playing make believe interact with dark worlds.

>>715420865
doesn't she also constantly taunt susie for being powerless against her

>>715420865
Fuck. At last I truly see.

>>715420764
Thank you Toby, I look forward to the arrival of the Burgertrücking in our reality. You're my favorite game dev except for the Japanese ones that we both worship.

>>715420865
>Doesn't notice Ralsei because he isn't real
>Fights with Susie
Holy shit. Incredibly good post

>>715420949
Yeah she’s always cocky/smug dealing with her.

>>715420854
Hey, Tobias, does the fan base make you feel like Oppenheimer?

>>715420921
I guess the Shadow Mantle boss is a secret boss.
It just the only thing I can think of as to why the chapter would be disliked, as it didn't follow the formula CH1 and CH2 set forth.

Susie is trans

>>715420982
>makes ralsei into a butler because darkners are supposed to serve lightnerds
at last i truly see

>>715421113
No she's just ugly

>>715421113
iberian orchestra

>>715421113
...scending the prophecy, because she's a real hero.

>>715421087
Chapter 4 breaks similar formulas in the reverse way Chapter 3 did
Chapter 3 was mainly focused on the "ruler" big bad and had no "proper" secret boss, Chapter 4 had no ruler at all and was mostly focused on its secret boss

>>715410162 (OP)
Chapter 3 is fun but a lot of it feels like recapping stuff that we already know about or broadly understand. Like there's a whole bit about everyone in the gang being friendly with each other and it's like, yeah. I knew that already. Susie went from standoffish bully to friendly dinosaur girl by the end of chapter 1. I already know that Kris' home life is kinda shit from all the hints they drop in earlier chapters. I already know he looks up to his older brother and was sad when he went to college. All of the mechanical stuff works, the game boards, the minigames, even the secret stuff like the true game was fun and compelling. But you don't really get any new character beats or development. Ironically enough for being a TV-based episode, it feels like an intermission.

I think it might've been better if, rather than sleeping, Toriel had an actual presence. She's an important supporting character for Kris and so far the only thing we know about her is that she's overprotective, likes to bake, and is divorced from Asgore on not-so-friendly terms. Which I could've divined from playing Undertale. Undyne's cameo role in the chapter is whatever, she's probably not going to be super important this game, but Toriel is probably a huge part of why Kris is the way he is, and Chapter 3 didn't do anything with her.

>>715421151
So THAT'S why Noelle is so enamored with her...

>>715421307
I could imagine Toriel's role was done like that because Chapter 3 is there to focus on how the kids felt about the divorce, and Chapter 5 is going to focus on how the parents felt.

>>715412130
>Catty and Dess
my heart dropped for a second when I thought I got sans but thankfully it was just the music track and not his actual character page

>>715420947
Queen and King's interaction after chapter 2 corroborates this. They are simultaneously opposed to one another and flirtatiously friendly. Acting like they've known each other for a long, long time.
An interesting part of that scene though is that Queen doesn't know who the fuck Rouxls is.

>>715421494
cute and funny

>>715410162 (OP)
>chapter 3 is good... if you get S rank on your first try after 6 years of not playing deltarune and remembering how gameplay works after the game says that rank doesn't matter

>>715421406
The rules card is always with a deck of cards, but never used in play.

Admit it. You weren't expecting to find Fabio Coentrão in a Delrarune thread.

>>715421584
>In play
They used pretty much everything, though. TV remotes, dice, chess pieces, checker pieces, jigsaw puzzle pieces, building blocks, a laptop, extension cords, playing cards, bouncy balls, jacks, etc.

>>715421580
>get S-rank on round 1 and find the secret minigame
>get A-rank on round 2
>don't have enough points to change my rank from the shady pippin
>can't trade in my shitload of dark dollars anywhere for points
>can't continue the sidequest because fuck you lol
That was the moment Chapter 3 left a bitter taste in my mouth.

>>715413108
>Catty and Bratty are now lesbians too. So is Catti.
I accept this if there is hatesex and incest

>>715421358
I hope so. One thing I was thinking of after playing through the chapter was that we know why Toriel and Asgore split on unfriendly terms in Undertale. The pain of losing their child combined with Toriel hating Asgore's plan to break the barrier makes their divorce/estrangement make sense. It also contextualizes Toriel, both her presence in the ruins and why she tries to stop you from leaving. It's also nicely symbolic, as Toriel/Asgore are literally on the opposite end of the spectrum on this issue, and as such her area is at the start of the game while Asgore is at the end.

However, in Deltarune, Asgore and Toriel never lost Asriel or their adopted human child. Asgore never hatched a plan involving child murder (As far as we know). You might say that, well, this is how the characters were in Undertale, but they were like that for a very specific reason. What's worse, this family dynamic being the way it is informs so much of Kris' character, and 4 chapters in we have basically no info on it. I've heard Chapter 5 is going to have Asgore in it and I hope it's more than just him wandering around being pathetic and mumbling like a school shooter.

>>715416490
how did the JP version handle the B/O letter guys in chapter 1?

>>715421762
>Can't trade my dark dollars for points

Stopped reading there. Get a brain bozo.

>>715421580
Yeah, if there's one criticism I'd make of chapter 3 it's that it would be very handy to have saves in the zelda sections. Redoing all of that if you miss the S rank takes too long. To be fair, it's quite forgiving, since you can make up for your screw ups in the physical challenges, but still. I remember getting an A on my first playthorugh of the first part of the show, and it was annoying to redo all of that.

Honestly I didn't expect Toriel and Asgore's divorce to be so extremely crucial to the plot years ago
Like, I figured it would be important, but not to the extent it looks to be now with it being a massive part of the Dessappearance plotline, and 2 chapters (3 and 5) looking to primarily revolve around it

>>715421762
>can't trade in my shitload of dark dollars anywhere for points
anon, I...

>>715421762
Actually you had your chance trade your dark dollars to points when you S ranked the first board lol

Sans raping a drunk single mom is canon :|

>>715421979
Tat word means less and less every year. How long until gen alpha just says all penetration is rape?

>>715422053
:|

>>715422053
If putting a thorn in someone's finger is rape then why not?

>>715421852
It's still not crucial to the plot. I mean it basically implies that Toriel, by virtue of being a gigantic fucking bitch, consigned Dess to permanent damnation in a dark world because she thinks Asgore is delusional. But it's still just a plot point which informs what's happening now rather than, "The plot can only continue if they get undivorced."

>>715410959
Kris isn't reacting well to the Hometown air

Asgore I AM NOT CRAZY copypasta when?

>>715422115
She sent 6 children to their deaths in Undertale idk why the fanbase is only into her bullshit now

another 10 trillion points to Kris runaway ending

>>715417279
Gerson = Ramb > power gap > Jevil = Spamton
??? Tier: Eram, Knight

>>715422115
>Toriel, by virtue of being a gigantic fucking bitch, consigned Dess to permanent damnation in a dark world because she thinks Asgore is delusional.
>the "toriel" variable that turns the black deer into a shadow monster in the sword route
She really is responsible for all this bullshit, isn't she?

>>715422245
Kris on his Kanye West arc.

>>715422061
None of us can read Japanese you fat asshole

>>715422281
Kris likes fingers in his ass?

>>715421716
Yeah, I do have to admit it. You've got me there.

>>715422245
if ch5 starts with kris still in the house i'm going to be sad
little dude should've jumped out the window and gone with susie, surely the plan can wait for a single night

>>715422405
>People usually get really happy in the days before they commit suicide
>Kris has been unusually outgoing and cheerful for the past 3 days

>>715422405
I hope they went to Castle Town and slept in their rooms, and Chapter 5 starts with Kris waking up to a fresh cauldron cake for him, Susie and Ralsei to share

>>715422283
Some of us can. You've been studying between chapters to catch the foreshadowing in both languages, right?

>>715420865
>Lancer's girldad

I didn't do anything wrong. Fetch me another beer. Useless shit kid.

Chapter 3 dragged on for too long but the hidden zelda minigame was absolute kino. Felt like you were going outside of the bounds of what you're supposed to be doing. I just wish it was tied to Z-ranking the minigames so there was a tradeoff of losing healing items to get a more powerful mantle.

>no real secret boss aside from mantle
>no town section
>no toriel
>datamining reveals a lot of unused assets
I think chapter 3 was unfinished.

>>715422653
For the unused 3rd board in particular, I think Toby said he scrapped that specifically because thought it dragged on too long and not because it was unfinished.

>>715422475
unfortunately that's probably not gonna happen considering the JP version of the first mysterious-voice phone call pretty explicitly mentions kris can't enter dark worlds without the soul
though then again, the soul seems to go "dormant" or something between chapters considering the end of chapter 3 had kris (presumably) entering the bunker and then going back and sealing the dark fountain in his house

is Jojo theory dead now

>>715422653
Toby confirmed in a newsletter before release that chapter 3 had to be trimmed down from its original version. The bonus round where Tenna spergs out is actually supposed to be the 4th board.

>>715422653
Chapter 3 was cut down because of the criticism of it dragging on

>>715422653
Chapter 3 was intentionally unconventional, so no town, traditional secret boss was on purpose.

>>715420865
Universal Mom Theory always added up, we're lucky we didn't get to see her with anyone else to see just how godawful everyone else's lives are.

>>715422745
Shit I forgot Kris had us in the cuck cage while he was climbing out the window
I was hoping for the Castle Town intro

>>715422747
Yeah but Toby MIGHT have referenced it when he had "Mike" asking if Mike was just an alternate personality of Tenna
Chapter 3 was supposedly gonna have the King Crimson reference and a villain with 2 personalities would've matched Diavolo

>>715422840
Why are Sunny and Kris basically exactly the same

>>715422817
On the bright side, maybe we can start chapter 5 by breaking out of the cage and floating around town for a while. There's a lot of potential there.

Oh fuck you, Sugar!

>>715422892
>if you're on the weird route you can float into Noelle's house and take control of her while she's asleep
Don't know how possible this is, considering how monsters with human souls is stated to work in Undertale and the 5 on deltarune.com/chapter5 is smaller than 2, but it sounded cool in my head

Kris fuck the dinosaur

>>715422745
Gaster's definitely forcing us to experience gaps between the narrative, remember that between Chapter 2 and 3, before Susie wakes up, Kris manages to run all the way to Tenna and orchestrate a deal with him to capture Toriel, stall for time until The Knight shows up, and THEN run all the way back to the couch to "be asleep" again before we actually fade in again.
Happens all over the place, it also stands out mid-Weird Route in Chapter 4, where between Equipping Noelle and Kris's bathroom meltie, he manages to compose himself long enough to make the call about Susie having the guitar (something she invariably does even without the Looney Tunes Bullshit on the normal route) and then wipes his phone history completely clean.

>>715422919
>it even has yellow and pink eyes
What the fuck

FRIEND
F - Cookie
R - Cat
I - After
E - Not
N - Surviving
D -

FRIEND
Foor
Rld
Iigger
Ehinks
Nt's
D
_adillac

>your favorite character is making a speech
>the "real boy" motif starts playing

>>715423367
i'm gonna shit my fucking pants if that happens to susie or ralsei

SANS

Sans
After
Nigger
Suicide

>>715422465
i thought that was because of (you) forcing kris to act differently

>>715423401
>ralsei
>"a real boy"
>ralsei's character development might involve susie's sentimentality getting through to him and making him want to be more than just a darkner
Oh fuck

>>715423428
Some parts yes, but independent of our influence, Kris is experiencing some of the best moments of his life in recent times when it comes to his friendship with Susie, to a point where seeing her smile is strong enough to tell him everything will be okay.

>findher.ogg

>>715419589
huh...

>>715423517
i'm not sure how i would handle kris an heroing
with ralsei and susie i kinda expect them to go through some shit, but with kris it's clear he's already been through the ringer and we're just piling more shit onto him
i just hope susie can save him from his demons before it's too late

>>715423441
>It seems after all I couldn't be anything more than a simple puppet.

>>715419589
>gaster
>FRIEND
>the goners
>ice-e
>kris
>(You)
>now santa
how many fucking cryptids does hometown have, jesus christ

Is the Kris clone still in the closet?

>>715423995
There's also
>whoever or whatever is producing the song from across the sea
>The Forgotten Man, if he's truly separate from Gaster
>The Annoying Dog
>Temmie (to an extent, is just as much a self-insert of God's Friend as she is a proper character)
>Sans, depending on if he's truly just the new guy in town or a direct agent on a mission who made the mistake of getting too attached
>Papyrus(?)

>>715424117
sadly no
literallytwoniggastheory got deboonked

>>715424137
Shit. Weird that it happened in the first place, or that it took so long for Toby to fix though.

>>715424117
>>715424137
Remember when there was a bug in Chapter 1 that showed two souls on the screen at once and Toby had to shut down speculation that it's lore?
History repeats...

>>715423995
you forgot everyman
which reminds me of this old cryptid youtube series called everymanhybrid
it was kinda like marble hornets, except with more of the other cryptids of it's day instead of just slenderman
i wonder if noelle and kris are just cryptid magnets, all sorts of weird shit seems to happen around them specifically

>>715418865
me too

>Cheshire Cat expy
>NO YOU DON'T GET IT BRUH, HE'S PURE UNADULTERATED EVIL, WORSE THAN 100 HITLERS
>OW THE EDGE AMIRITE GUYS
>LOOK, HE'S SO CRUEL AND LE EBIL
>HUH? HELPING KRIS OFF-SCREEN? TF YOU TALKING ABOUT BRUH
>HIDDEN PATHS? TIE TO ALICE IN WONDERLAND? NONSENSE
>PURÈ EVIIILLL

>>715424230
I remember that shit. I love the main villain, it's so goofy and earnest, and it's good work for amateur actors. Hope they're all doing good these days

>>715410162 (OP)
Too much zelda, tv world felt tiny in comparison to chapter 1/2. Chapter 4 also kinda felt small but made up for it with the ending

This was an awesome thread. Stay groovy, gamers.

>>715425176
One of the best in a while, glad I came here today

>>715425176
Whoops, losing touch here

>>715425341
Photo evidence that Susie is trans