>This single hidden sprite from an unnaturally occurring playthrough of Undertale has thousands of fan art/schizo theories about this niggas backstory
How and why

>>715466725 (OP)
Because there's a ton of stuff about him with people constantly talking about him and all of this was actually just advertising for deltarune

>>715466725 (OP)
Because there are a buttload of undeniable ties between him and DR

>>715466725 (OP)
>>715467658
I still maintain that this specific guy is not Gaster. Gaster is a real character but there is no evidence to suggest this is him. It's gonna be Goner Roulxs Kaard mark my words

>>715466725 (OP)
Cause he looks like Uboa obviously

>>715466725 (OP)
>when a nigga goons so hard he exits his original dimension

He used to be schizo wank in UT.
Toby made him the most important character of DT.
Simple as.

>>715466725 (OP)
Reminder that he's not the Eggman
According to the achievements it seems he thinks the Eggman is an "issue"

>>715468260
None of the goners have been Darkners. Why would they start with Roulxs?

>>715466725 (OP)
DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO NOT EXIST
TO SEE YOURSELF SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE MIST
I AM THE HERO THAT NEVER CAME
BUT NOW THINGS ARE DIFFERENT, I'M HERE TO STAY

>>715466725 (OP)
fard

Does anyone have that webm of Onionsan seeing Gaster and then getting shot by the goners?

Gaster isn't in the game, that's just a reach.
"FRIEND" is also just an easter egg like the everyman. None of it means anything. The knight is the final antagonist of the story.

>>715474259

>>715470828
>Why would they start with Roulxs?
You mean why they goner start with Roulxs!

>The Holiday family is Christmas themed
>Silent Night as a Christmas song
>Roaring Knight

>>715466725 (OP)
because he's more interesting than fish lesbians

>>715474370
gaster literally talks to you at various stages. he's in the game bro

>>715474432
>aquatic monster
>sleeps with the fishes
bravo gaster

>>715474607
>Kris is the Silent Knight
>His counterpart is the Roaring Knight

>>715474370
is what I would say if Toby was Scott Cawthon

>>715474370
>The knight is the final antagonist of the story.

This is 100% not the case after the winnable boss fight against her in chapter 3. It would have been a case of blowing their load too early.

The final antagonist is obviously the Angel from the prophecy, which in turn is obviously going to be an existing character, whether it's the soul, Kris, Noelle or someone else.

>>715474607
>chapter 3
>late night
>late knight

>>715474609
fuck you dess i like the gay fish

what's his endgoal?

>>715474860
Getting Kris laid so he can finally chill the fuck out

>>715474607
>>715474761
how does tobert keep doing it? is it like a skill you achieve after telling a thousand puns or something?

>>715466725 (OP)
This is all because he got associated with Sans Undertale and fangirls thought he was his dad.

For me the big mystery is the Kris/Soul duality. In UT there's the Chara/Frisk duality. But here is not clear who's who.

DRIVING IN MY CAR
RIGHT AFTER A BEEEEEER

>>715466725 (OP)
exact same reason uboa did years prior

>>715474860
Getting himself laid so he can finally chill the fuck out

>>715474997
>despite his size, Asgore is drunk as a skunk after one beer

Maybe that's why Toriel left him?

>>715474997
HEY THAT BUMP IS SHAPED LIKE A DEER

D U I

HOW ABOUT YOU DIE

I'LL GO A HUNDRED MILES (an hour)

>>715474980
Soul/Vessel = Frisk in Chara's role.
Kris = Chara in Frisk's role.

>>715475090
>drunk as a skunk
nah, the beer did not impare his judgement
it was 100% his conscious descision to murder dess

>>715474926
wordplay is very important in writing
keeps your text from getting stale
also nips are fucking obsessed with puns, something like 80% of their characters in media are a stupid pun only they understand

>>715474997

>>715474980
Kris is a sad sad boi who was slowly turned towards evil, but we the Soul are hopemaxxed as fuck and won't let him fall into despair.

>>715475090
But the meme says he had seven of them!

>>715475123
You know... That actually makes sense anon. Hope you don't mind me using it as a reference for the rest of the chapters.

Human... I remember you are neutrals...

>>715475434

>>715466725 (OP)
Alright so serious question time: what's the actual reason as to why people think Toby is some LE EBIN RED HERRING writer? Are there even 5 (five) [cinco] genuine red herrings across both games?

There's nothing quite like him in modern games. That's why.

There's ARG shit, but the outcome is usually unsatisfying or too cryptic for its own good (The Noita rune room comes to mind)

>"Replace the 'Kn' in Knife with 'L' "
>"Relax Edgelord, it's called Bright Humor."
>[*Kris seethes with rage knowing he can't kill you.]

>>715466725 (OP)
Because everyone has an inner matpat

>>715475575
yes

>>715475170
Yeah, except I don't notice it upon the first readthrough and need people online to break it down for me
EFL btw so I guess I am just retarded

>>715475575
>toby wouldn't do that!!! ...just BECAUSE, okay?

>>715475575
Because the episodic nature of Deltarune means people come up with insane schizotheories that have nothing to do with Toby's original plans, and then claim he's intentionally subverting their expectations when the insane schizotheories don't pan out.

>>715475575
There's a group of fags that get genuinely upset if you figure out a Toby Fox story beat before it happens. Why do they get upset? I have no idea, but i'd assume it has to do with them perceiving Toby as a bigger than life icon instead of a talented creator, or that they only want their schizo retard proven false theory to become true and it's actually YOUR LOGICAL THEORY THAT'S WRONG TOBY WOULDN'T DO THAT

Honestly feel bad for Toby, so many UT and DR fans are unhinged

>>715475575
the red herring is the most basic storytelling tactic that seems "advanced" to writing noobs
people assumed that toby would use a lot of them because he is an advanced writer

>>715474781
Oily fish...

>>715475819
>figure out a Toby Fox story beat before it happens
never has happened

>>715475575
well, in undertale, all the journey npcs talk about Asgore, building him up, but then he is isn't the final boss.

>"OMG I love shipping Suselle and drawing them kissing each other"
>"W-what... you goon to Susie and Kris? YOU SICK FUCK THEY ARE TEENAGERS YOU DEGENERATE BASTARD. THEY ARE MINORS. WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?! YOU PLAYED WEIRD ROUTE?! WHY ARE YOU SO OBSESSED WITH MINORS?!"
>*Immediately looks for suggestive art of Ralsei, their favorite ships or Kris wearing revealing clothes*
I'm noticing...

>>715475701
>Don't be such a baby. Souls grow back!

What are the odds that this entire thing is just some fucked up dream or creation of asriel/flowey trying to cope with his eternal emotionless curse of existence

>>715475974
I don't think there's a single more hackneyed twist than "it was all a dream".

>>715475575
When a theory was wrong, it doesn't mean that everything cited to support the theory was a red herring. It can just mean what was cited was actually pointing to something else.

>>715475575
How I feel when I see people say Ralsei isn't Kris' red horn headband.
Sometimes you just gotta trust Occam's Razor.

>>715475870
>Multiple anons got the Sleepy Toriel shit figured out (which made TORIEL IS SUPER IMPORTANT fags get SO upset. It was great)
>Mike is not important theory that started here was true (Mike fags still in shambles and feeling mocked by Toby)
>We are not Kris theory(True)
>Kris just eats the pie theory (True)
>Dess as a character, not even Dess knight shit

Yeah, has never happened, huh....?

>>715476029
I shouldn't have also said "dream," "creation" is the better word
I don't really know how that would work but I could see this entire thing being related to him and us saving him again

>>715476089
how does he keep moving around the city then? it's not like kris is carrying it around all the time

>>715475873
Isn't that just foreshadowing? It has existed since /a/ was created. Why suddenly retards are calling this other term.

>>715475330
No problem, friend. Feel free to use my headcanons.

>>715475974
I find more likely that you were the dream. YOU never existed, the characters acted on their own and blamed their behavior on your influence when you never existed.

>>715475575
Chapter 1's ending. That's it.

>>715475575
>>715475790
In general, I honest to god believe this is fallout from:
>Game Theory (spawned a generation of people who try to piece together the full story of any given piece of media based purely on breadcrumbs, even if they have to make an insane amount of mental gymnastics and literal headcanon to do so)
>Five Nights at Freddy's (also created an entire generation of people who think it's normal to rewrite your story because someone else figured it out - completely sacrificing long-term narrative cohesion for the sake of some nonsensical "twist' - or literally just to complicate the story and it's world for purely arbitrary reasons, a la Bite of '83/'87)
So now when people make a bullshit "theory" and it ends up being predictably wrong, they think Toby just outright rewrote his story in order to be 2 steps ahead.

>>715475914
it's not pedophilia if it includes 2 dicks or 2 pussies, that's called logic. God you science denying anons really piss me off

I'm the original Noticer

>>715475575
>knife tease at the end of chapter 1 [real]
>Carol's katana in ch 4 [in progress]
>Catti's and Jockington's rooms in ch 2 [in progress]
>Asgore's buildup as a scary bad guy in ut [real]
>lots of humorous moments based around opposite outcomes (tiny bird able to carry you etc.) [debatable]

>>715476239
>(We) cause schizo meltdowns even when we aren't there
We're too strong....

Gaster is my silly uncle on whom I go on vacations (experiments) with

>>715468260
There's one confirmed piece of gaster and that is the head in the hands of one of the gaster followers. So that suggests he's pretty human looking. I really think he's just going to appear as the vessel from the beginning of Deltarune, as he has no real physical form. He's been scattered across time and space, so why would he just appear in the middle of some random room in waterfall?

>>715475575
autistic people cant admit they were wrong

>>715475819
A good example where the anons who got genuinely mad when someone offered the POSSIBILITY of the SOUL being its own character.

Posting this little crazy fucker again What's his deal
What's he know
Is he trying to warn us or is he just a malfunctioning prop?

>>715476519
she.
and she's cute.
and insanely loyal to whoever is keeping the FUNGANG in check.

>>715476519
Him glitching out, the possibility of Mini-Kris in the real world, Onion's disappearance, and Sans getting together with Toriel means the simulation's on the fritz.

>>715476190
Huh? No, that would be foreshadowing if Asgore had been the true final boss of the game. Asgore ended up being a red herring because he didn't end up being the final boss in the main story.

>>715474747
FUUUUUCK THAT JUST MAKES IT WORK MORE
WE'RE GENIUSES

>>715475832
SEXY fish

>>715475575
He literally ended chapter 1 on red herring "le Kris is actually chara and will kill Toriel with a knife"
So its clear that he will also treat Carol as red herring Knight

>>715476668
>Him glitching out, the possibility of Mini-Kris in the real world, Onion's disappearance, and Sans getting together with Toriel means the simulation's on the fritz.
Don't forget pic related + the colors in Noelle's room going fucking nuts

Gooseworx said it best.
"The problem with so many theories is that people write what would be the most shocking, instead of what actually makes sense"

>>715474781
>kris got undyne locked in the fucking cuck bunker
I swear to god I will make this little shit make out with Berdly for several hours as revenge

>>715468260
>but there is no evidence to suggest this is him
The fun value that reveals his room is 66, and Gaster's combat data is all 6s

Look at this dork.

>>715476997
A total Dork

I AM GOING TO FESTIVAL WITH MY GIRLFRIEND

>>715476997
PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP GET STRONGER GET STRONGER PLAP PLAP

who's this spoon thing's family

>>715477062
As it should be

>>715477062
IM LEAVING NOELLE WITH BERDLY

how popular do you think deltarune would be if the genders of the main cast were reversed?

>>715476997
:3

Autosaged. I think he's seething about not seeing the other thread before it got over 400 replies

>>715477049
man, please, get better AI

what's her deal?

>>715475575
>>715475819
>>715476291
>it's all people getting upset that their theory didn't pan out
>when Toby puts in multiple jokes, puns, and allegories for future events, sometimes in the same chapter
Thinking your predictions of someone else's story years in advanced is insane, but to say that Toby doesn't have fun with the audience himself in this fashion is gaslamping the situation. I will say almost every flavor text in the game is deliberate and important, but it might not be important to what people think it could mean later. Something that seems obvious right now could just be a mirage in the next chapter, and that's probably what people get annoyed at the most. People having the audacity to put the pieces together, but then the ghost-shaped silhouette turns out to be a tablecloth on top of a lamp.

The moral of the story is: never discuss an ongoing story written by a master shitposter, because people will make fun of you for not being a psychic.

>>715477171
>tfw no tomboy girlfriend that act like a loyal dog

>>715477198
It would be a lot more popular with women who would hate ship Stewie and Noel, who would do the same gross shit they do to Basil to Noel, and would endlessly bitch about how anyone who likes Stewie is toxic.

>>715477198
Where is male Susie? Woudnt it just be purple Nelson from Simpsons?

I think it's funny that Friend's official design sucks so much ass that almost no one draws him like this even after the chapters were released.
Hopefully octopus cat amalgamate with 4 penises isn't his only form

>>715477295
this is AI?
zamn

>>715477250
I LOVE TV!

>>715477310
no one makes fun of anyone here for theory crafting. You get made fun of for how much of an autist you are about it, especially if someone disagrees (Or the game straight up nukes your theory)

Imagine how pissed people would be if Dess was Gaster

>>715477456
he is made up of pure darkness
he can be any shape he wants

You know what, i give up. It's clear that deltarune is not worth discussing if its getting hammered like this, at this point it's better to just circlejerk on twitter

>autosage

Dear mods,
<<<

>>715476890
Gooseworx is a tranny.

>>715477198
but anon, kris is already a girl (female)

>>715477696
Gooseworx is a triangle.

It was a good thread, everyone.

HE DOES IT FOR FREE
THE NIGGER
THE TRANNY
THE HOTPOCKETS CONSUMER
GO FUCK YOURSELF
YOU ARE SHITTY JANNY

>>715468260
>most obscure Fun event
>requires Fun value of 66, AND an additional 1/10 chance for the door to his room to appear, effectively requiring an exact value of 66.6
>identified as simply "mysteryman," as Gaster is assumed to be "the man who speaks in hands" and his theme is simply titled "him"
>resembles a skeleton, and Gaster is widely assumed to be a font skeleton
>resembles the Memoryheads, which are also "melting" skulls associated with Gaster
>the poem hidden in Deltarune's script matches mysteryman's description and references the Memoryheads/the "pain" motif associated with Gaster
>The Forgotten Man in Deltarune shares similarities with both mysteryman and Gaster
>mysteryman is found in "a room between" rooms through a greyed-out Sans/Deltarune door
>The Knight inexplicably has holes in their palms, matching the widespread fan interpretation of the mysteryman sprite

>>715477456
I don't think that's an official design. Just sort of what he assumed in the example of a coat draped over a chair.
If there's any solid to FRIEND it's going to be those fucking eyes and smile

>>715477596
Even in the Eram fight, he's still using that design, he's just only showing his head. Headcanon until we see him take another shape

>>715477838
Even that people cope like this that to assume it's not his official design is further evidence that it sucks ass. Hopefully you're right though

>>715477171
>>715477062
So cute

weed

Another day of janny rape! That Janny can cry and seethe all he wants, I will continue to post deltarune and I will continue to rape his succulent janny ass hole with my blue cock

>>715477198
It unironically would be more popular won tumblr especially if kris does look more like a girl

>>715470828
One of the ruddin is becoming a goner

>>715478019

>game only has 3 save slots
>there is, at minimum:
>sword route with all shadow crystals
>no sword route with all shadow crystals
>no shadow crystals
>weird route
>aborted weird route
not to mention getting eggs or not getting eggs, or killing or sparing enemies
i wanna see everything when the new chapters come out...

>>715478471
Noone ever says anything about the save slots but the code now check for which save slot you are using, so there's gonna be some shenanigans regarding that

>>715466725 (OP)
>ate] [

>Just finish making this
>Excited to share
>Thread is already autosaging
Unfortunate...
Thankfully, >>715477062 is well deserving of the post, despite the short life it shall live.
See you all next thread.

>>715476997
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt8jho_D5mM

>>715478054
part of kris' charm is being androgynous though
people just need to stop thinking 'masculine personality = male', especially when deltarune has lots of undeniably female characters that act like dudes, like susie

>>715477456
hopefully hes a common as fuck enemy that repeats "mike" over and over

>>715475575
>>715476325
>>715476786
Kris doing their best Chara impression at the end of Chapter 1 is yanking your chain, but it's not dishonest either. They are in fact suspicious and using their knife for something nefarious, as confirmed by the end of Chapter 2, and even them looking into the camera is an early hint that they are aware of YOU to the point of knowing exactly where you're watching them from.
Carol's katana(s) is an actual textbook red herring, it's meant to make you think that she's The Knight. But it's still not entirely misleading, she's definitely involved in the conspiracy and probably the actual mastermind, she's just not The Knight.
>Catti's and Jockington's rooms in ch 2
Catti doesn't have a room, CattY does. The rooms are just based on the search history of the various townspeople who have used the library, this isn't leading you to anything.
>Asgore's buildup as a scary bad guy
Papyrus and other monsters in Snowdin discredit Asgore as a serious evil overlord type long before you meet him. But neither Papyrus or Toriel or anyone else are actually lying about him to mislead you. He has in fact sworn to take your SOUL and will seriously try to kill you to do it, and he's also King Fluffybuns.
>lots of humorous moments based around opposite outcomes
That's just a joke. Not every element of subversion in a story is a "red herring." A red herring is a distraction from something important, a false lead in an investigation.
"Red herring" is also not an inherently bad thing, no story gives you all the answers immediately. There are countless examples where exploring a false lead leads to greater understanding of the story, people just focus on the shitty "lol it was just a coincidence, gotcha!" examples where some shitty hack writer pulls the rug out from under you at the last second because they don't know how to actually tell a story.

>Headcannon is game discussion
>no i cant point to it in the game but ill spam it

>>715477456
>FRIEND's official design
That's FRIEND's face pasted onto Endogeny retard

>>715477198
Kris is already nonbinary
Noelle as a boy is literally just an incel
Susie becomes a lot more disliked I think
Ralsei is super popular with even worse degenerates than before
Berdly is suddenly quite popular
Catti is super hated

>>715479252
whom'st are you talking to

>>715479438
troons

>>715476134
>Dollar sign armband
LMFAO good shit

>>715479479
more like bloons

>>715475575
They're still mindbroken by Chapter 2 not being "Chris" going on a Hometown genocide Chara rampage and fighting Sans possessed by Ultra Gaster
Toby trolled them one time, so therefore everything in the game is just more instances of Toby trolling
People unironically believed that Kris blew a fucking gas pipe in the Chapter 2 ending instead of a dark fountain.

>>715479273
Further cope. I'm actually beginning to assume literally no one likes the design

>>715479569
who is they?

>>715479665
The "people" referred to in the post I'm replying to that think Toby is an EBIN RED HERRING writer.