So this is just:
>if you're too casual for Strange Journey + map autism

>>715700579 (OP)
Yeah maybe. Not everything has to be dark and super hardcore. Also map-making is a lot of fun.

I had an easier time with SJ but map autism definitely yes

>>715700579 (OP)
abusing bugged mechanics: the game
particulary medical defense or whatever its called in english

>>715700579 (OP)
tbf it predates Strange Journey by almost 3 years

Once you realize how powerful bard is (or "troubador", this game's one of those that wants to be alternative about their class names) it's essentially over.

>>715700694
What? I beat it recently and the only bug I found was that Salve rank 2 and Salve rank 3 healed the same amount and I hardly count that as something the player can abuse.

>>715700730
this and it's not exactly "easy" either

>>715701037
Maybe it is if you play it on baby-tier difficulty? You have the option to do that IIRC.

>>715700827
EO1 has a notorious bug with the Medic skill Immunize: casting it reduces ALL damage taken by around 90%.

>>715700827
Untold has an item dupe glitch. The game is still hard as balls with it if you aren't a minmaxing buildfaggot

>>715701867
Was it fixed in the collection?

>>715701867
Oh I didn't know that. Kek that sounds pretty broken then, yeah!

>>715700636
>>715700673
My favorite thing about the map autism you actually rewarded yourself for making good maps. If you get lazy it bites you in the ass when you're revisting past areas again

>>715703261
Totally. I also like that the game never explicitly tells you what to use the little icons and symbols for. You can use the "E" square if you want to mark entries if you want, no one's going to stop you, and if that makes sense to you and is something you can keep consistent then you do you.

If you had told me the story of the game was about humanity failing to fix climate change I don't think I would have believed you before beating it.

>>715700579 (OP)
>too casual
I don't think a lot of people consider EO to be a particularly "casual" series of games. It's not bone-breakingly hard, but if you don't have any prior experience with first-person dungeon crawling or you start getting lazy with your mapping you'll regret it.

>>715702491
No, they only fixed things that didn't work and left things that worked too well alone

>>715701867
>>715702897
Immunize isnt bugged. They just mistranslated the description.

>>715704334
Really? It's SUPPOSE to be that powerful?

>>715704880
>SUPPOSE to be
ESL

>>715704936
:(

>>715704880
yeah because medic is shit meme class otherwise

>>715705207

I remember it having that Patch Up ability that gave a few % health after every battle, which made MP (or TP) conservation easier because you didn't have to heal everyone up after every 2-3 fights. And considering how long some of those walks get by the end a few percent really add up. Other than that my Medic didn't do much and was quickly replaced by a Bard (or whatever they were called).

>>715700780
>ronin best attack is called tsubame gaeshi
>localized midareba
what did they mean by this?

>>715700780
Troubadour is a cooler name than Bard.

I played this game for 3 hours after I got it used cheap for my DS.
>looks shit
>incredibly boring loop
>no story
>characters don't say anything
>combat is barely animated, just numbers
>sprites all stand still and do nothing
>the 2D art varies wildly in quality
>music is completely forgettable
>map making isn't fun it's a chore
I don't know how you people play shit like this.

SJ was easier for me.

>>715700579 (OP)
>too casual for strange journey
I hate smt fags I didn’t think they could get even more dishonest than they were.
Assuming you’re being serious then either you played on an easy difficulty, didn’t do all the content and claimed you “beat” it after finishing the 5th stratum, abused cheese strats that you looked up online

I know Wizardry and these blobbers present this romantic idea of having to work for your playthrough by manually mapping the dungeon on graphing paper and threatening you with losing your entire party if you're ill-prepared, but holy fuck does it get old after a while. I uninstalled that gay-ass Wizardry remake because the art-direction is uninspired, the SNES soundtrack was thrown out in favor of medieval muzak, and the grind is unforgiving.

>>715705850
>looks shit
The NDS was a 240p console. What do you expect? Oh and I like the artstyle.
>incredibly boring loop
I found it very satisfying. Going down, mapping, looting, getting back, upgrading and repeat!
>no story
There is a story it's just not in your face about it until the last 2-3 hours. I'll admit it's pretty weak but it does exist.
>characters don't say anything
The main cast don't, but most NPCs have stuff to say.
>combat is barely animated, just numbers
It's suppose to be tight and snappy. You're gonna do a lot of it so it better be.
>sprites all stand still and do nothing
I'll give you this one, a frame or two of animation would be nice.
>the 2D art varies wildly in quality
Untrue. It's very consistent. Once a theme is chosen there's practically no deviation.
>music is completely forgettable
To each their own. I agree.
>map making isn't fun it's a chore
If you don't like a central mechanic of the game, then yeah maybe it's a chore to you. I loved making my map.

>>715700579 (OP)
>if you're too casual for Strange Journey
Etrian Odyssey is way fucking harder than Strange Journey, bro. This game's bosses will legit fuck you up HARD while SJ is pretty standard.

>>715706458
this
SJ only really pulls out the big guns for the end-game but the first boss in this game (Fenrir, I think it is?) will be coming for your ass immediately

>>715706551
I actually bounced against EO for a long time as a kid because it was so much harder. Meanwhile SJ's only really 'hard' moment was end game with Mem Aleph and mostly just cause it's a huge difficulty jump out of nowhere.

OP is insane.

>>715706282
Isn't that the entire point of these first-person dungeon crawlers? Complete no-mercy and everything is on you 100% of the time?
These games are arguably some of the hardest turn-based RPGs that exist solely because they don't hold your hand at all and entering a boss-room or pushing juuust a little further might spell your end quick.

>>715706645
yeah EO is not an easy game
i remember the last boss of SJ being hard (was that the Mem Alpeh, the most fuckable end-boss ever?) and i got filtered by ouroboros (the serpent guy) because i came in under-prepared
i too found SJ to be easier overall

Did you guys ever play the Untold games? I heard they have cutscenes and voice acting and set characters instead or randos and shit.
I always preferred the "open" nature of EO so I never bothered with them, but I might go back and try them again if I ever get the itch.

>>715706282
That's why Ultima > Wizardry

>>715706883
Even if you don't want to do the story, Untold on Expert difficulty is the hardest game in the series.

>>715706883
Unold has a classic mode with cuts out all the added story, cutscenes, and pre-made characters.

>>715706883
even if you dont like the story and forced characters, both untold games still have a classic mode where you can make your own party and enjoy all the changes that came with untold. Personally i think playing both the story and classic mode are worth it

>>715706883
I played Untold 1 story mode and didn't like it. Pre-defined characters take away from the charm of the game, and it's not like they have a lot of interesting things to say and do anyway. They're just the same anime-stocks you find in every game and the VAs aren't strong enough to breathe a ton of personality into them. IMO the EO games are always about random nobodies coming together to conquer something big one step at a time and EVERYTHING lands on your decision-making skills. Taking out the class aspect of it kinda ruins that.

Oh and it completely spoils the end-twist of EO pretty much right away by leaning far more into the pre-disaster post-apocalypse shit which really isn't hinted at until the last few hours of the original.

>>715707195
true but even in the story mode youre able to change your casts classes, made my simon a ronin for example

>>715706883
the story stuff isn't bad, it's generic, but not bad
play it if you liked EO1 and desperately want more of it
the new custom classes aren't trash

>>715707262
Oh I didn't remember that. Still. I think I prefer the original.

>>715707371
the original is great but again, the classic mode for the untold games is a nice change of pace, esp when you start messing with grimoires

What was the deal with the tree people?
I only vaguely recall genociding them and the old guy promised he'd explain who/what they were but he never did.
Were they a byproduct of the Ygdrassil Project?

>>715706650
The point of Wizardry was to simulate a DnD campaign, but somehow it was a million times harder than any campaign I ever played as a kid. Just couldn't get into it

>>715706810
EO's difficulty is highly variable based on your party composition. The gap in performance for some classes is pretty big.

>>715707480
The way I understood it was that the tree people WERE the end goal of the project. A society more intune with nature and everything humans fucked up to avoid remaking those mistakes. Why the mayor immediately wanted to genocide them is a weird point though considering he essentially was their creator and should know very well how important their job is. I don't think you're suppose to really think about the plot of this game too much.

>>715707736
NTA but what would say is the worst class? I rotated a lot during my first playthrough and I found all of them had some uses. Maybe the Protector? This game doesn't really need a very heavy "tank" like character IMO.

>>715700579 (OP)
I beat Strange Journey on the DS (Neutral) while under-levelled ~ 10 levels below Mem Aleph. The first stratum of EO2 filtered me because I am never happy with my party composition and FOE stresses me out.

>>715708152
>I am never happy with my party composition
Perhaps you're the perfect target for Untold, where a party is given to you?`

Is there a reason they remade the Classic version and not the Untold version?

>>715707976
protector deninetely has his use the anti-element skills are really important later on

>>715708319
japs hate untolds and thank god for that.

>>715700579 (OP)
Map autism?

>>715708319
anyones guess really, we still are waiting for EO next, wich was announced like what, 8 years ago?

>>715708458
He means because you draw the floor, the walls and the doors (and everything else) on the map yourself. It makes your map feel very personal but it does actually require some diligence, hence autism.

>>715700579 (OP)
it's a dungeon crawler yes, that's the genre

>>715708259
I might get onto Untold. The biggest mental hurdle for me is having to run with a less than optimal party. Losing 5 level to respec your skills is a price too steep for me.

>>715706281
>dishonest
that only applies to V and SJ fags, maybe nocturne fags all well.

>>715708519
Sounds cool. Guess i will add it to my backlog.

>>715700579 (OP)
>>if you're too casual for Strange Journey + map autism
SJ's a far easier game overall, EO1's only particularly easy if you look up and abuse shit like Immunize. Honestly, the most difficult part of SJ is not being able to draw your own fucking maps, getting a full map in the game blows ass.

>>715708770
It's pretty fun and is generally seen as an entetaining, though unforgiving, experience by those who complete it.

I really love EO3 because of all of the interesting character classes
Kind of turned me off from trying the other games

>>715708319
Because Untold as a concept is completely antithetical to EO.
>pre-made characters
>voiced characters
>heavy emphasis on story
>cutscenes
Fuck off with that shit. Fatlus, you have multiple other series to do that shit with, leave EO out of it.

>>715705207
Medic is an amazing class across the board what the fuck are you talking about

>>715708887
I think i can take it. I don't have the same drive for games like back in the days but i will get to it. Perhaps after i finish my Patapon 2 and Growlanser 4 playthroughs.

>>715700579 (OP)
I dropped it during the 6th stratum since the level design started becoming intentionally frustrating and I didn't want to look up all the broken/bugged skills to beat it. The protector's skill where you need to level it up to 5 to survive the postgame bosses but stop there cause otherwise it becomes useless if you level it further by itself made me realize that the devs had stopped giving a crap about their game at that point and so there was no reason for me to care either.

>>715709229
I believe in you Anon.

Post comfy music

https://youtu.be/kPxokkQlcFc

>>715710578
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j1NztNeYsc

>>715710578
EO4 has my favorite ost in the series but EO5 has my favorite town theme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PtZwCnPZY4

>>715710757
Ghost blowjob theme song

>>715710813
i really like EO4s super arrange album

>>715710921
Woowoo woo woo woo!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KmcSXVyzzM

>>715710757
EO4 has the best Stratum 1 theme out of all of em imo. Used to use it to get to sleep sometimes

https://youtu.be/eTU-jTmWr-k

>>715711224
even if im not listening to the super arrange version, i still hear the song lyrics

>>715711297
this ones definetely great, even if EO4 is the slowest EO its one of my favorites.

another great labyrinth theme is this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnW95IHj_TI

>715700579
>So this is just:
>>if you're too casual for Strange Journey + map autism
It's just a dungeon crawler lil' bro. It's nothing more complicated than that.
It has no relation or connection to SJ, period.

>>715711649
Good taste!

The first Etrian Odyssey is a minor masterpiece. Somehow they make you feel like all the characters are overpowered yet the game still remains extremely hard - that's a difficult trick to pull off.

Etrian 2 is a worthy successor.

The rest of the games are ruined by progression gated dual classing which fucking sucks. I am happy to argue with anyone who disagrees. Dual classing ruined the Etrian series.

I tried to get into EO and stalled out a bit. I want to try again. I've got a DS, 3DS, and switch available. Should I just stick to the originals on the DS? Play Untold on 3DS but in classic mode? Or try the remakes on the switch even with mapping being suboptimal? FWIW, I enjoyed my ~10 hours in the original more than my 3 or 4 hours in the non-classic version of Untold

>>715700730
the only reason i opened this thread

>>715707976
I'd say Ronin because of the way stances work precludes you from having as many buffs just to access moves that aren't that good anyway

>>715712530
>Should I just stick to the originals on the DS?
Yes.

why didnt they use the improved versions of the games for the pc collection like what the fuck???

Where the fuck is the new game?

>>715708932
This. So fucking this. The original game has you past the intro and into the game in ONE fucking minute. It has you making your party and done exploring the town after five, and in the dungeon making maps and killing beasts in ten.

10 minutes from start to gameplay is practically lightspeed in JRPGs.

>>715706909
I don't even know, man. The settings of these games are so intriguing and well-developed, but I can only appreciate them aesthetically, and not enough to compel me to finish a playthrough. Those that have the strength and determination to finish these games are braver than I.

>>715712741
Ronin always felt like a shit version of the warrior or the L-something, I don't remember the class names. That passive that lets you sometimes hit twice was amazing.

>>715712530

Play the HD remakes on PC. Mapping is excellent with a mouse and you can bind everything to your keyboard meaning you can actually be pretty fucking productive.

>>715712987
>improved
Adding more filler, dialogue and story to otherwise snappy, clean and efficient games isn't "improving" them. I thank God every day they stopped with the Untold nonsense that otherwise tainted such a pure gameplay-oriented series.

>>715714179
They could've brought over the visible foes from the remakes at least, keeping the orbs was retarded.

So is this entire series stone-cold dead? Etrian Odyssey VI got announced almost a decade ago.

>>715714838
https://personacentral.com/eo-origins-collection-development-interview/
>The team plans to pay attention to feedback for Etrian Odyssey Origins Collection and use it for the upcoming Etrian Odyssey title.
It's implied that they used the HD release to test how to handle this stuff with 1 screen. I have faith its still on the way.

>>715714594
Worse post on /v/ right now.

>>715714978
kek there are too few memes from EO

>>715714594
>keeping the orbs was retarded
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCK YOU SECONDARIES GET OUT OF MY FUCKING SERIES REEEEEEEEEEE

>>715700579 (OP)
>>if you're too casual for Strange Journey
SJ is easier though.

Was Etrian Odyssey appreciated on /v/ when it came out? Or has it always been a sleeper hit?

>>715707976
You don’t get Hexer until you’re basically nearly done with the game. When you do get the class you have to start from level 1 so if you want to use it you need to stop progressing and just go grind for several hours while making minimal progress with your other characters. Is the class even that good? Well no, most of its skills are just debuffs and status inflicts, which are heavily resisted by late game which is when you can actually use them. It’s very good in EO2 but just sort of useless in the original

>>715714594

I think SJ has slightly harder maingame while EO has MUCH harder postgame.

>>715700579 (OP)
Monster catching isn’t fun. Wizardry is.

>>715715570
>Monster catching

>>715714978
>but muh nostalgia
fuck that shit, watching foes break through trees and shit in IV onwards was awesome

>>715715708
FOEs still fuck you up in EO1. They pop out of the ocean, surround you, and love to ambush you while you're fighting weaker enemies.

>>715700579 (OP)
SJ is way easier.

>>715707976
>EO1
Hexer
>EO2
Beast
>EO3
Farmer
>EO4
Bushi
>EOV
I hate to say it because it's my favorite class, but Fencer.
>EO1U
Medic
>EO2U
Ronin
>EON
Pugilist

>>715715824
>Beast
very specific use case, it's great at soloing

I haven't dabbled into the series yet, but I love the vibe this art for the game gives off. Think I'll play the PC versions of 1 through 3 to get started sometime soon

>>715715959
I admittedly have not looked at the HD recollection and what it does for the class, so I should specify that's based off of EO2 where a large chunk of its kit doesn't work properly. Though even in that case, the class still wasn't unusable. Alchemist is also a common argument due to having awful multipliers even if it has good coverage.

I know it's a small detail but it always bothered me that you could see the sky in EO.
Considering you're suppose to be going down into a deep dungeon it always weirds me out that the second-to-last maingame stratum is an airy desert with the sun shining above you.
It's not gamebreaking but it it didn't add that sense of isolation I feel these types of games should give.

>>715707515
I think a lot of old games were hard because had they been easier they would've had nothing going for them. Like what's Wizardry 1 without the constant danger. You walk through wireframe labyrinths to engage in text based combat.

>>715716057
They're fun games. Enjoy Anon!

>>715715768
I know but its so much more menacing seeing the actual monster stomping around the labyrinth.

>>715714594
Ohnonono

>>715707515
I once did a campaign with slightly updated V1 rules and it felt like wizardry. Most shit could kill us in one hit until we leveled a couple times and that was hard as shit to do.

>>715713928
What's with Japs and their obsession with 30 minute intros in their games

>>715700579 (OP)
FOE!

>>715712530
I'd say go with Untold on 3DS. PC versions are overpriced.

any other games with sorta the same gameplay? i dont enjoy the anime aesthetic.

>>715716384
Japanese people in general have a very odd sense of pacing. You can find this in a lot of their folktales and histories as well, a lot of it has a ton of focus on very minute details that arguably don't really matter to the overarching narrative. So when Japan got into gaming, and wanted to tell stories, they had to slim down the stories they were used to telling, but this meant they had to edit themselves in a very different way than they were used to. The result is weird shit that feels terribly underwritten in some cases and terribly overwritten in others.

RICKY!

>>715716476
EVEN ON /v/
F.O.E.!

>>715716541
Wizardry Variant Daphne
(Flut is my adorable big sister)

Unironically got filtered by this, might try it again sometime on my 3ds

>>715716541
There's a lot of blobbers around but most of them are kinda old at this point. I liked Wizardry: Labyrinth of Lost Souls if you don't mind the Japanese but not so anime art.

>>715706883
I loved untolds in their own way, untold 2's party and story was pretty fucking good and it's by far the hardest games in the series.

>>715716528
If he plays it on a 3DS then he'll be pirating it anyway unless he feels like trying to track down a physical copy. Might as well just pirate it on PC since price isn't an issue in either case

I hated 1U's story mode. 2U's was alright. They both have proper Classic modes. I probably partially hated 1U because it makes you play Story mode to experience all the bosses, get 100% on your compendium and get some of the best Grimoires available. 2U doesn't gate anything behind Story mode which is vastly superior and let me actually enjoy it on my own terms.

>>715700579 (OP)
>You can only play one video game.

>>715701741
Not in the original ds trilogy but the later games and the pc ports you could. The highest difficulty is the "dev intended" one in all games, though. Everything below that is numbers adjustments in your favor.

>>715702491
It wasn't "fixed" because it wasn't a bug. Just poor balance. The description says it protects against all elements, and Cut, Pierce and Bash are elements just like normal in Atlus games.

>>715707480
>>715707740
You were sent on a suicide mission by the government to keep you from uncovering the truth, but they underestimated your party's murderhobo power and you succeed in the genocide anyways.

>>715708932
Nigga, Untold has a classic mode you know. Untold 2 is even better because you don't miss out on the new dungeon.
There's zero reason they couldn't have just made HD versions for those and made Gladsheim available in classic

>>715700579 (OP)
No, but I'm glad you made a thread anyway. I love EO1.

>>715716847
It is not the hardest and fafnir made it easier.
I highly agree that its the best party in the series tho

>>715719190
Fafnir isn't good until Accelerate and even then there's better Classic parties.

>>715719285
I guess I should clarify that I do think EO1U is harder anyway, but EO2U takes second there for sure. Then EOV.

>>715716751
>>715716701
Isn't Wizardry more rolling and dice and D&D than others in the genre?

>>715718436
I was kinda surprised they went with the environmental angle. I thought they were doing the Jaws thing:
>keep the beaches open to draw tourists despite their being a rape-shark in the water for the profit of the town
Fuck Jaws is old now. No one is going to get that.

>>715719520
>Then EOV.
Really nigga? I basically bashed through it with a pug.

>>715719584
I don't get what you mean. All blobbers are computer RPGs.

highly recommend purchasing the EO1-3 PC remakes that were recently released to support the devs, however they're obscenely easy to pirate on the usual sites and given how expensive each game is I wouldn't judge you for it

>>715720238
I bought, for money, not on sale either. I want this series to continue.

anyone else get autistically invested in build crafting? Crazy how it can take over half the game for your build to come online, but goddamn if it isn't satisfying as fuck once it does

>>715720409
This series made me hate elk and their fucking faggot degeneracy bullshit you've posted an image of.

>>715700579 (OP)
you forgot bad character progression, unbalanced classes and poorly designed bosses

>>715720543
Fuck yes I do. I go full retard and plan out for days.
I even go full autism and start saving builds from online calculators:
>https://pokachi.github.io/EtrianStuff/EO1/

>>715719520
V is piss easy even though the post-game boss was kino. Still my second favorite EO though.

>>715720543
Oh, didn't see your links. Yeah, planing is fun!

>>715720696
>filtered, filtered and filtered

Fuck you're making me want to replay EO bros.

>>715720862
>no argument
concession accepted

>>715700579 (OP)
I couldn't finish Strange Journey, too much autism for me.

>>715720543
That's half the appeal, man. When your party synergy hits max potential and everybody feeds into each other, it's pure dopamine.

>>715721028
How far did you get?

>>715721449
I think I got up to sector Grus

>>715721805
Ah fair enough. You made a good run of it then. Not every game is for everyone.

>>715706883
I really liked untold 2 story mode

>>715700694
who uses bugs unironically

>>715705397
I've always thought Patch Up is kind of awkward, it obviously loses value later on in the game when TP pools grow larger and you can start buying Amritas and shit... but early on you also never feel like investing big in it because there's so much other shit you wish your Medic would also have (including TP Up). So you maybe try it out with a point or two to get a small benefit and then rest the Medic later to better spend those points elsewhere. EO3 Princess' Monarch March on the other hand is some broken shit at all times.

>>715723002
Oh totally. Patch Up is for early-to-mid game. And considering it does 0 on bosses it's not useful when the game actually starts flexing muscles.

>>715700579 (OP)
>too casual for Strange Journey
The opposite, EO/SQ is absolute bullshit until 3. SJ and Dark Spire are the easier Atlus Crawlers

SQ2 > SQ1 > SJ > SQ3 > The Dark Spire

>>715720543
>Crazy how it can take over half the game for your build to come online, but goddamn if it isn't satisfying as fuck once it does
In a lot of cases your shit just starts werking in the midgame, and that causes me to immediately abstain from improving the builds further, because I'm already doing fine and if I just keep hoarding the skill points, I can splurge on a lot of good shit all at once as soon as I hit some actual difficulty and skip out on any resting shenanigans until endgame.
Sometimes the characters have like 20 unspent skill points, it's a bit silly but I like it this way.

>>715724374
yea I can see that, you can build out a rough framework of your build in the early game and fill in enough pieces to be pretty complete by mid-game. The back half of the leveling process is mostly just maxing out passive skills like HP/TP Up anyway, so it's not a massive thing either way

>>715700579 (OP)
I'm so addicted to Etrian Odyssey 3 HD it's over

>>715725330
And that's a good thing.

>>715725497
I experimented with almost every class and my current team is now

Front:
>shogun/gladiator
>hoplite/sovereign
>monk/zodiac

Back:
>wildling/hoplite
>buccaneer/gladiator

With ninja/farmer for exploring, mostly benched but very good

>>715715824
>EO2
>Beast
I thought it was surv? Beast can at least do damage. And dedicated gathering parties were made kind of bad with the forced ambushes.

>>715700579 (OP)
Strange Journey is easier just because if you fuck up making your comp you can just fuse into a different one. Doing Stratum 6 in EO1 was a fucking big sack of testicles

>>715708691
If that is your big hurdle you should start with IV which is a lot more forgiving in that regard, or V if you want something more difficult and jank but with still cheap respecs

stupid FOE you die now

>>715725854
Based wildling appreciator

>>715700579 (OP)
that game is way harder than SJ though, retard
>t. SJ enjoyer

>>715726232
Survivalist has utility doing other stuff. And it can carry its damage output early on with the Chimera's conditional drop bow before it falls off by late-endgame. You shouldn't take that LP as gospel.

>>715700579 (OP)
>>715700579 (OP)
>>715700579 (OP)
What’s easier? This game or dark spire

>>715726754
>Chimera's conditional drop bow
>actually farming for a post game weapon at the start of the game
come on now. If you need to do that sounds like the class is pretty shit.

>>715703762
There was actually a nod to etrian odyssey in metaphor refantazio, they even remade the lost city theme

>>715726754
>LP
The LP gets a lot of things wrong, all of them. They're fun reads but whatever they say about skills and bosses is not much more than an opinion on the matter.

>>715725497
that team is quite...old...anon...

>>715726908
It's still not as completely unusable as the LP states. I mean, it's still horrible compared to the heavy hitters in EO2, but not THE worst since it has other applications in the labyrinth.

Kill with Curse damage

>>715727146
Thank god formaldehydes exist in those games.

>>715727146
>use Formaldehyde

>>715710578
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziMPUrJCbYE

>>715727146
Yeah I got cernunnos conditional the legit way.

>One massive labyrinthine mega-dungeon
>Multiple smaller dungeons scattered around the overworld
which one do you prefer?

>>715710578
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6tYPl2BvHw

>>715727742
Depends on the size and density of the multiple smaller dungeons.
EO4's were barely anything and Nexus was cancer.

>>715727742
large central dungeon and several optional smaller ones.

>>715725854
>no arbalist
You're missing out on Front Mortar memes.

I really love these games. It’s a lot of fun to prepare for an expedition into the dungeon for either missions or push deeper. It reminds me a lot of the aspects of monster hunter I used to love, despite being a different genre.

I really want Atlus to make a new one.

>>715727887
God, love that track

unlocked ronin last night, and i kind of want to use them, but grinding up to the rest of the team is taking forever, and the stance bullshit is so fucking annoying

>>715728134
same, it finally "clicked" for me when I put together a secondary full gathering party to follow behind the main group and harvest resources to support the main group in being able to push deeper in the dungeon. That whole loop feels so good, like you're actually managing a guild

>>715728289
They're not really that worth it in EO1 mainly for that reason in addition to grinding one up when you probably have a Landsknecht who's doing good work already.

>>715727742
EO4 does some interesting things with FOE dodging and puzzles in the overworld but for dungeon exploration, only the 3rd stratum really takes advantage. Nexus draws from too many sources so the exploration is underdeveloped everywhere except its Shrines which are overdeveloped. Nexus' balance also suffers from the sheer amount of dungeons because it's too easy to overlevel. None of the games after EO1-EO3 retain the deep dive feeling, the later games significantly cut down on how long you're in the dungeon and increase the amount of shortcuts, which to be fair started with EO2 and its more frequent Geomagnetic Poles. In EO4 and EON splitting the dungeon overall didn't add much and I like the feeling of the early game's dungeons better, so I'll go with one megadungeon.

2 more weeks, etriams

>>715728540
yeah, but i've pretty much exclusively invested in the landsknecht's wider range skills, and i want a better single target dealer for the tough FOEs and bosses. i'm also just not feeling like i need a protector right now, since medic does so much work

>>715728594
I want to believe.

>>715728594
>mfw it's a gacha

>>715728675
You will regret replacing a Protector later.

>>715728712
just like exclusively for the elemental wall skills or what?

>>715728697
Anon please, I'm trying to cope here.

>>715728594
what's this? I didn't follow any Etrian related news for a while

>>715728675
>i want a better single target dealer for the tough FOEs and bosses
Crush in the Landy's skillset mogs most of the Ronin's skillset. Some players haul both an axe and sword to cycle between mobs and FOEs/boss fights.

>>715727114
All I'm saying is that I've seen people defend beast as actually one of the best damage dealers as long as the rest of your party isn't all wearing light armor causing them to explode, but I've never seen anyone defend eo2 surv. I'll admit I've never used either and have no first hand experience.

>>715728778
Yeah, and it's not like Protector is a slouch in DPS either, Smite's ceiling is pretty similar to either Sword or Axe Landshark.

>>715700579 (OP)
SJ is way easier than Etrian wtf? Have you even played it?

>>715728778
nta but Defender is a very good teamwide skill, and of course the lvl5 elemental walls.
Protector has a strength stat in EO1 too, so you can relegate Teach as a backup DPS when she's not guarding others.

>>715728796
Teaser for the next EO. It's 7 years old now.

>>715728778
yes. Post game bosses have 3000+ damage elemental aoes so without protector you will die.

>>715728891
>>715728929
ogey fine, we put maria back on the front lines

>>715728697
Best I can do is a HD remaster of the flip phone spinoff.

>>715728867
I had the eyepatch girl for one of my EO2 runs.
Exploring was fine with her. Her contribution in battle was more or less being an item caddy.

>>715728931
>spoiler
d-don't worry bros...we're all gonna make it...

>>715728697
I have my wallet ready for my husband

>>715729134
Every direct, every Faglus teaser, nothing. This time for sure though. I choose to believe in the happy ending.

>>715728697
They tried that before and it failed.

>>715729312
wasn't that before smart phones were popular? they should try again.

>>715728931
>>715729134
>>715729265
At least we never went insane about it like HK fans did with Silksong.

>>715724189
Kys

>>715729391
>most phone users play gachas and have the memory of goldfish at this point
That would be a waste of a budget.

>>715729265
no

>>715729529
if fire emblem can have a long running hit, there's really no reason EO couldn't

>>715729552
Begone doomfox

Fucking
Overpowered
Enemy

I'd even take a 4 + 5 (+ Nexus) HD Collection and 1U + 2U HD Collection at this point...

>>715729905
4 is the only one stuck with slow dungeon movement, so it does need a re-release in that regard.

>>715729905
I want this so much I'm willing to pay in blood

I bought like three of these games and I was so excited to play them, but I didn't expect them to be what they were.

Damn, what kind of RPG is this?

>>715730158
It's a D(ungeon)RPG

>>715730158
Dungeon crawler
Is this your time with the genre

>>715730158
>taro-san, do you ever play old pc text game where you explore dungeon?
>yes jiro-san, i love them very much
>what if we make game like that, but instead of drawing out all the map by hand on paper, you draw them all out by hand on computer?
>banzai!

>>715710959
https://youtu.be/rl0NgSbKHMk

>>715729905
Anything...

>>715730743
Etrian Mystery Dungeon Gacha

>>715730875
Alright, maybe not that.

>bushi sucks
Bushi did nothing wrong and it was my favorite class mechanics wise….
The designs were cool too

>>715731408
Bushi is a fantastic subclass but given that subclasses might not even want to max Blood Surge themselves and their attacks aren't that great, it's just really not an attractive main class. Overall you could argue it's definitely not the worst class in EO4 because of how good it is as a sub, but I think that is getting away from what people usually mean when they ask what the worst class is.

>>715728697

I guess if I want to start an etrian thread I should post shitty bait in the OP, got it

>>715731752
>Ricky takes a while to adapt to modern posting techniques
Kino.

>>715700579 (OP)
Strange journey is much easier than any EO. I don't know where this meme about sj being the most hardcore smt even came from. The game gives you so much freedom in building your party and is pretty forgiving.

>>715731752
You should understand how /v/ works by now.

>>715718654
Untold 1's classic mode is fucked too, since it's balanced for the extra dungeons. Meaning you will be under-powered in a lot of ways until you grind enough.

Untold 2 fucked with the Health and Damage Numbers too, but that went better overall I think.

I'm not saying they are bad, but different. Also the classic versions don't have rows for the enemies and the dungeons are different too. They are basically different games.

>>715731408
it's less that bushi is bad and more that everything else is so good. Bushi/fort is a fun tanky frontliner who covers all of the elements and refuses to die but it's a lot less impressive than what other classes can do.
It depends on how you want to measure worst class. While the worst as a main class it's a fantastic subclass, and everyone gets to take a subclass so it's only the worst if your ignore that.

>>715731974
I honestly don't understand bitching about classic modes in untold, now missing out on gladsheim was a dick move but classic can have dark hunters hexers and troubadours in their party which more than makes up for any lost xp.

>>715731925
>I don't know where this meme about sj being the most hardcore smt even came from.
I guess people got too used to the press-turn system letting them cockblock enemies and bosses from acting which isn't possible in SJ. SMT's reputation as a hardcore series is really undeserved and it takes away from what the games are actually good at in my opinion.

>>715708319
Because the Untolds are entirely different games than the originals. Like the dungeon layouts, mechanics, classes, encounter and boss design, etc. are redesigned from the ground up. 2 and 2 Untold in particular have nothing in common outside of the setting and most of the story though 2U gutted the postgame story. It just makes sense to remaster the originals and save the Untolds for later for the sake of preservation.

>>715731579
To be fair any dps focused class looks bad next to imperial anon.
I don’t think bushi were any better or worse than landsharks

>>715732267
I've played that party in EO1U and because you end up underleveled that means the reliability of your status application is not as good as you'd like. This doesn't exactly matter given that Ecstasy is spammable even with 0 Binds but the next problem is that these 3 party members are all very squishy and things in EO1U hit really fucking hard, you basically need a Protector on full-time mitigation duty. So sometimes you get fucked up pretty bad, you need the ailments to land, they don't land and you can't get off the ground. Other times you Evil Eye and the boss stays Feared for 4 turns and it's a total cakewalk.

>>715732495
Linkshark is a lot better than Bushi, and there's L/M Star Drop debuff Shark that's one of the best damage amplifiers in the game. L/B not using Links and B/L are pretty comparable, I agree with that.

I'll take Untold Updates to 1 and 2 too

>>715726806
Dark Spire is based and also bullshit, but it allows you to save whenever you want (even in the dungeon) so that immediately tanks the challenge unless you do a self-enforced no-dungeon-save run.

>>715733035
the dark spire is based as hell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3IpPrHJclw

>>715730875
You know what? Maybe we just be grateful for the games we have...

>>715730875
Isn't the wizardry gacha actually pretty good? I'm sure the monkey paw can't be that bad, right? right

when i finish eo1, which should i do next? is it best to just play them in order?

Does anyone know if someone does EO low level runs? Or just something unusual, I've read the LPs but they really like their basic bitch setups.

>>715733672
Yes, actually. Yeah it's gacha but at the end of the day it's an honest-to-god dungeon crawler with good exploration, actual gameplay (needs to be said because gacha), challenging fights, hidden bosses, and as much as I love classic dungeon crawlers, I absolutely adore seeing my party member's models, actual first person combat animations, and the game never breaking the first person view.

>>715731752
how things work now unfortunately. I have to do the same to get a stella glow thread over 50 posts.

>>715733860
The speedruns are cool. The first 3 games are all extensively RNG-manipulated, so they're worth a watch.

>>715733860
I've seen some solo run stuff. The highlander Primevil solo that takes 650 turns is something else.

>>715733850
In order would be fine, you could play EO4 before you get too used to the faster movement assuming you played EO1HD, though it also wouldn't be surprising to see an EO4 re-release sometime in the next few years so you could wait on playing it until then too.

>>715734356
Is it on Steam? I'm playing it on my deck, so i might end up needing to emulate anyway and just up the emulator speed

>>715734462
EO4's only on 3DS.

>>715733850
You can play EO2 which is the worst game in the series, but still better than trash like SJ.

>>715734536
yeah, definitely emulate then. i did not own any game consoles between the gameboy color and the switch

>>715700579 (OP)
Didn't Strange Journey come AFTER Etrian Odyssey?

>>715700579 (OP)
no. This is Etrian Odyssey it's made of fun and music YOU MUST EAT IT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSc9BBavPro

>>715728697
fuck you dont ever type that again

>>715734598
EO4's only worth mentioning since it's the last game in the series left before they revamped map QOL, dungeon traversal speed and battle speed. EO1-3 got it with the HD treatment and for V, Nexus and the Untold games it was standard. 4 not having these can make it painful to go back to if you're used to the modern amenities. It's also the easiest game in the series so it's good for a newcomer in that respect.

>>715716107
>EO2 Alchemist is bad
I want this meme to die. The class that oneshots FOEs early on and then drops off by "only" doing 25% of postgame FOE's HP per turn. EO2 Alchemist is fucking ridiculous.
>Multipliers
You've obviously never used the class and have just read the skill sim numbers without realising that magic attacks use a different formula so those multipliers aren't comparable. Try actually knowing what you're talking about you form a retarded opinion next time.
Also Beast is good too, fuck you.

>>715735164
I never commented on how bad a class is, just what the worst classes are. Which you did not answer the question on either!

I'd buy the Untold versions on Steam. I've already played the originals to death so I'd love to try Untold.

>>715736689
what do they change

Playing Etrian Odyssey makes me want to develop my own Etrian Odyssey styled game, causing me to stop playing

>>715736798
You will never make a game

>>715736798
Just play Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and then you'll realize even the market of EO-likes has masters of their craft that will be hard to compete with.

>>715736798
I get the same feeling. I'm gonna make mine about Atlantis

>>715736798
I feel you, brother.

>>715737208
that's just eo3.

>>715737286
Damn, you're right. I'll make it in a floating city in the sky instead, that's more original.

>>715703261
>>715703401
Considering that you find this fun, have you tried non Turn-Based stuff like Grimrock and even older games like Eye of the Beholder?
Making maps in them is not only part of the gameplay, but considering the puzzles involved, you're literally fucking yourself if you don't do things right.

>>715736798
If you are autistic enough to make something like EO then go ahead, very few people can make games like that (grim). if you make some attack defend dogshit game like old wizardry i will come to your house and kill you in etrian odyssey

>>715737457
we've gone up, we've gone down, there's only one solution left: make it just one really long sideways tunnel

>>715737559
Or on another planet! We totally haven't done that either! EO...but in space!

>>715737457
>a floating city in the sky

That's Etrian Odyssey V

>>715737552
monkey's paw, they make a new EO game, but it has e33 style parrying

>>715700579 (OP)
wtf are you talking about? save for mem aleph on neutral, SJ is way easier

>>715706454
I'm really intrested in trying EO again, but my main issue is with the gameplay loop, which you describe as:
>I found it very satisfying. Going down, mapping, looting, getting back, upgrading and repeat!
My problem with this is that I never know the exact point where I should be getting back, upgrading and repeating. I always try to force things too much and get fucked by losing my party. Is the ability to recognize this situations something we learn with time?

>>715706454
Based. Only faggots who don’t understand charting the unknown would not get this game

>>715736797
It arguably looks nicer:
>3D models that move for enemies, not just sprites
>longer render distance meaning you don't feel like you walk into "nothing" so often
>music is nicer
Not to mention:
>has a story now
I'm still not sure why these versions weren't the ones "remastered" in HD when they're arguably the definitive editions of the first 2 games.

>>715737754
i just buy an ariadne thread before every dive

>>715737754
>>715737836
this, but 2 because I have squirrel ptsd.

>>715737754
It just depends on the situation. If you really want to play it safe, go back to town after every single shortcut. If I have to spend Nectars and stuff to keep exploring, I'll usually just go back, because I'd rather not grind them. But I might use a bit to go a little longer if it's been a while since I've seen a shortcut. If the party's in a bad condition it's best to cut your losses, especially if you've been in there for a while.

>>715737754
Yes. You do learn to tell when things are getting heated. Also always carry a Ariadne from the vendor before going it. If you only bring one item into a dungeon it should be that. It's for sale from the blacksmith and it's dirt cheap and will teleport you to safety if shit goes south. ALWAYS carry one.
You can do it Anon, it's fun when it starts to flow.

>>715737754
>exact point where I should be getting back
Two ways to gauge this
Look at your remaining TP, can you win the next random encounter with it? If the answer is no, go back to town.
Are your bags full of loot? If the answer is yes, go back to town.
This covers nearly all cases.
>upgrading
I wait until I hit a boss or some sort of block before upgrading my gear, that usually works out.

>>715737810
If I was to guess, and if the guess wasn't just "laziness", it is pretty clear by EO 3, 4 and 5 that the "Untold" way of doing things just isn't how they want the series to continue.
It is better, and smarter, to give your audience what you're going to give them more of in the future.
If you remade "Untold" 1 and 2 there would be a massive drop-off by 3, because people who enjoyed 1 and 2 wouldn't know what to do with 3.
Better teach people early and stay consistent.

>>715736910
>Just play Labyrinth of Touhou 2
>slopyrinth of touhou
I wish people would stop conflating this garbage with DRPGs.

>>715737754
You'll develop an instinct for it after a while. If the thought ever enters your head:
>"Hmm, my magic is getting low and my dudes are having issues with these fights, should I go back?"
The answer to that question is always "yes".
Don't get greedy. It's a game of inches, every new step you take is a step in the right direction. Don't sprint it.

>>715737687
>NU-EO is going to be a Gacha or a Parryslop game

>>715738252
seethe hater

>>715737810
>Story automatically makes a game better
Stop misunderstanding EO. It's about YOUR DUDES.

>>715738313
And I get that, but that point falls apart the second you realize Untold comes with all those upgrades + a "your dudes"-mode you can play that plays just like the original game.

>>715738301
i am legit still kind of mad i got tricked into buying e33 with people telling me it was turn-based

>>715738252
I can see calling the exploration lacking but to call it not even a DRPG is crazy.

>>715700579 (OP)
Do you think every grid based dungeon crawler is just knocking off strange journey?

>>715738301
>NU-EO is going to be a Gacha

>>715737754
Here's the checklist I would follow:

>Is your TP low (less than 15-20%)?
>Out of bag space?
>Out of status removal/revives?
>Monsters hitting really hard, suddenly?

If the answer to one or more of those is "Yes", then consider warping back to town to resupply.

>>715738313
that requires a high level in real life. To me EO is about autistic chain reactions, music and exploring.

>>715738309
I enjoy DRPGs for the exploration, the atmosphere, and the, you know, dungeon crawling. Slopyrinth of Touhou has none of this because of its top-down view and instead banks everything on its combat mechanics which aren't even THAT impressive if you're used to actual quality JRPGs like SaGa games.
As usual, touhou shitters fucking ruin everything they touch.

>>715738567
And just as a point of comparison, calling LoT a DRPG would be like calling Dungeon Encounters a DRPG, which clearly it is not. Everyone can see how absurd it would be to classify it as something that it shares almost nothing in common with.

>>715738567
>>715738653
autismo

>>715705397
>>715705207
>The only actual healer in the entire game
>Immunize reduces all damage up to 90% with boost
>For some reason EO1 has different scaling variants of the damage up passive, so Medic only needs to spend like 10 points to get a 300% damage increase or something similarly high
>This then turns them into a front row beat stick with one of the strongest single attacks in the entire game for them to use against randoms or during off turns against FOEs/Bosses
>Bulk isn't even all that bad since they have enough spare points for HP Up 10 anyway

>>715700694
immunize and defender

>>715738381
I guess it's just a matter of taste, I don't consider those upgrades since I prefer the 2D sprites and FM synth music. I'll give you the draw distance at least.
I still want to try the Untolds at some point just to see the new dungeon layouts and class designs. I don't see them as upgrades that replace the originals though, just seperate games.

>>715738781
>typical Touhou slop fan doesn't know how to argue and simply defaults to name calling
Classic. At least concede with some shred of class next time.

>>715738787
>basic bitch healer class has never been as strong as it was in the first game
Interesting to think about it.

>>715738818
That's fair, but my point still kinda stands: why not remake those, instead of the baseline versions when they come with the classic anyway?
Unless >>715738184 is right and they're just carefully prepping their audience.

i miss grimrock. theres barely any games with focus on the puzzles

>>715738962
They don't come with the Classic versions, really. Classes are totally revamped. Dungeon layouts different in a lot of places. Many mechanics are refined/changed. Grimoire system doesn't exist in base game. So on. They very much are two separate games entirely. If anything you could expect an Untold collection at some point, maybe they'll finally give us Untold 3.

>>715738818
>I don't see them as upgrades that replace the originals
Because you didn't play it.

>>715738996
I just replayed it this week and it still holds up. Fuck those parts where they just dump you into a room full of enemies with nowhere to move though.

>>715738810
EO1 Protector is a Smite bot that occasionally uses the Antis. Defender is useful for like the first 5 floors and then you forget about it because Medic gets Immunize at that point and that's more than enough to mitigate damage and not eat up buff slots.
>>715738962
They're not really the same thing due to map and balance changes. For example, Ronin in 2 is an excellent class while in 2U, they have the reputation of being the worst damage dealer in the base game.

What annoys me about the etrian LP is that they do so many things they don't consider cheating
duping items? legit
editing xp so bars are even? legit
getting to 99 with save editing? legit
giving super grimoires to your entire party? legit
It's so tiresome, why is the community full of cheaters?

>>715739264
3 doesn't need an Untold version.

>>715738653
>Dungeon Encounters a DRPG, which clearly it is not.
of course it's a drpg what the fuck are you on about

>>715739680
why do you care about what other people are doing in their single player game

>>715739680
What LP?

>>715739680
Firstly, who cares? They're single-player games.
Secondly, what are you talking about? This thread has 330+ replies and not one person has mentioned cheating in any way.
99% of people just play through the games normally on the difficulty the game recommends.

>>715739878
https://rhematic.net/eou_lp/

>>715739986
not clicking that shit

>>715739807
>single player game
>>715739894
>single-player games.
not an argument
may as well say "games aren't real so who cares"

>>715740090
>may as well say "games aren't real so who cares"
not an argument
may as well stick a cucumber in your anus

>>715740090
>not an argument
Are you sir, on the crack rock?
I am not arguing with you. This isn't an argument.

>>715739986
Thanks

>>715733850
Either do them in order, skip 2 and do them in order, or just do whatever the fuck it's not that big a deal. 1 and 2 are the only notable cases of "if you play the later games first you'll be upset by the older ones" syndrome so beyond them it doesn't really matter
Oh, except for nexus, always do it last

The only EO game I can't bother with finishing was Nexus, which sucks since it was the last EO game, but its just not as fun.

>spend 2 hours creating the perfect build path for my group
>never start the game and actual play it
why was I cursed to be like this?

>>715741303
I planned out 4 totally unique parties for Nexus and I'm still on the 2nd one.

>>715741303
>not being a planaryan

>>715740661
>Skipping 2 if you're going to play them in order
Cringe

>>715741303
Planning stuff is fun!

>>715741303
>>715741552
>>715741825
>>715742674
turnfag moment

>>715742806
What's a turnfag? Someone that cares how fast they clear? I usually clear bosses in 20 or so turns. Depends on the game. Some EO2U bosses can take more than 50, easy, especially Ur-Child who can easily take more than 100.

>>715741184
I wish the just added all the classes to the game

>>715739680
They are literal discord trannies

>>715738653
I'm not sure if anybody here is aware, but this game has some of the worst music i've ever heard.

https://youtu.be/QtjbJ48y-js

>>715745341

>>715741552
Nexus fucking kills me because there's so many different classes and combinations that I can never settle on anything. I get a handful of floors in and then decide I'm not satisfied with what I've got and want to start over. There's just too many classes I like to use and I'm not masochistic enough to make a party of Princess, Harbinger, War Magus, Ninja and Farmer.
Now I just never play the game at all because I'm so fucking sick of redoing the first few strata and all the early game story stuff too. I'm cursed never to finish that came.

>>715745341
fucking hell

>>715745341
i don't hate this

>>715746204
I was perfectly happy with my Nexus party (Highlander, Shogun, Harbinger frontline, Arcanist and Zodiac in the back), plenty of fun to be had especially with the subclassing (Protector, Sovereign, Ninja, Medic, Gunner respectively). But I gave up at the finish line because this party couldn't fucking touch Abyssal Princess.

>>715747197

>>715747390

I played EO1 a couple weeks ago and Stratum 6 tore by balls off
what a crazy jump in bullshittery

>>715727742
1 by a longshot, and no floor teleporting
4's dungeons were too small to be interesting and the overall floor space was a lot smaller too

This is a fun thread talking about a fun series of games. I wish we could have more of them WITHOUT baiting faggotry from OP. But hey he managed to draw in some wise Anon wish some good opinions so maybe I'm the faggot.

>>715742927
>Golem turn 825

>>715745341
If only this was an actual video game and not a pitty-project given to make him fuck off.

This is by far the worst Etrian game.

>>715704936
>EOL
kek

>>715745341
This would be fine if it had bass and percussion.

>>715748231
>there's an Etrian mystery dungeon game

>>715748231
was 2 any better

>>715745341
god this was such a shitty game

>>715737810
The story added in Untold undermined much of what made the story of the first game so good. More story doesn't mean better story. That said I actually enjoyed 2 Untold's story mode and I chalk that up to the cast being being better.

>>715747197
That party is better than mine and I beat AP. I had a pugilist ffs

>>715748171
it is a video game. It has a slow start and if you get in the mindset of 100% clearing each floor before moving on it can feel a little bit frustrating sometimes but I liked it.

>>715700579 (OP)
I generally don't like grid maze dungeon crawlers, but this one felt snappy. Last 5 floors were tedious trash, though. I've heard 3 is much better but I need to get through 2 first.

>>715748928
>Last 5
I'm assuming you meant last 5 of the main story, the fifth stratum, and yeah reading the stairs right and finding shit was a chore. But it was the last dungeon of the game and they clearly wanted to test your mapping skills.

>>715749665
>I'm assuming you meant last 5 of the main story
No, I mean the actual last 5. With the fucking 20 doors to try up top and 80% trap hole floor and shitty simon says super boss.
>But it was the last dungeon of the game and they clearly wanted to test your mapping skills.
It went from fun and challenging to just plain tedious for me at the end. Especially with those fucking giant turtles.

>>715745341
>beavis playing guitar . gif

>>715749936
Oh that's totally fair then. I thought you were bashing the fifth stratum and I felt that was a better compilation of mapping challenges that you had accumulated through the game. The entire post-game wasn't really my cup of tea at all.

>>715748347
No, apparently it was somehow even worse than 1.

>>715750050
Nah, 5th stratum was fine. I saw what it was doing with the stairs up and down and that was a fine navigation mini-puzzle. I'm talking about the actual end of the game that's basically all the worst parts of these types of games turned up to 11.

>>715749665
>>715749936
>>715750050
>>715750150
The postgame is always the "experimental" stuff. Where they might go a little overboard with certain concepts or ideas and that's true of EO. It's for the fanatics, which is fine if you enjoy it but most people I've recommended EO to I've told to stop playing when the credits roll.

>>715724189
Is the Dark Spire canon to EO?

Is Strangers of Sword City any good? I need more DRPG's bros.

>>715751582
have you played any of Experience's other games like Demon Gaze or Undernauts? Because they all play pretty much the same
they're mostly autobattlers but I enjoy them just for party building and filling in maps

>>715752378
I have not, but I will backlog both of those. Look fun!

>>715751582
I've tried to get into it multiple times and I just bounced right off. Idk what about it is impenetrable to me though...

>>715750118
Honestly? I played EOMD1 and legit it felt moar BS than Wizardry Werdna I do not feel bad using cheats. >-@;;

Have a question.. Anyone beat EOV? Got to big bad on 5th stratum, tried everything wasnt going to cheese with necromancer. How does one get the exp ring on 1st stratum? At this point i'm willing to do max level D:

>>715754789
Hit it until it dies.

>>715754789
Try understanding its mechanics a bit more. If you're still losing then rest your team until it doesn't suck as much.

>>715757889
I do understand them got it to less than half but had ran outta stuff and by then I was in a deathlewp. Miasma I have fire res on but also full guard when it hits but still unable to finish it

>>715754789
Defender + Immunize

>>715700579 (OP)
>came out before SJ
>harder than SJ
>definitely appeals to autists
1/3 ain't bad, you'll get em next time chief

>>715745341
>not even an original theme since Catherine also ripped off this same damn theme since it's a classic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qksqucv6ft8&ab_channel=YuzoKoshiro-Topic
Best EO track of ALL TIME.

>>715761264
Those are some fighting words, anon

>>715733982
Does the MC ever stop being a zombie

>>715752378
>autobattlers
They're autobattlers for random battles, not bosses. And most jrpgs and dungeon crawlers are like that, even the two in the OP.

>>715706973
Are you sure? I had a harder time with untold 2, but the hardest thing in both games is the final stratum.

>>715700579 (OP)
Strange Journey is a casualized EO

>>715700579 (OP)
What's everyone's favorite class and portrait? I want to have sex with the Monk from Etrian Odyssey 3!!!

>>715748231
fuck off, EMD is the best game in the series
fuck your turd based slop

>>715700579 (OP)
Yes.

>>715764575
I really like Dragoon's portrait, but I think Imperial is my favourite class.

I miss this series, but I guess it had a pretty good run, we got, what, eight or nine games?

>>715764575
Braid Hexer is still the goat.

>>715764736
Gaped & raped?

Let's say if hypothetically someone were to make a DRPG to fill the void left behind by the lack of new EO releases and put it on the Switch. What should such a game include?

>>715761264
Correct opinions, on my /v/? It's somehow more likely than I thought.
But I will also name the following:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ro3JW7Bkfg

>>715768696
a dungeon would be a good start

>>715768696
Good class customization, fair but hard combat, creative dungeon crawling, some nice music and - if really necessary, a story.

>>715768696

If you want to stick out a bit, how about making one that's 3D?
Too many DRPGs are 2D and a nice full-3D one would look cool.

>>715737810
>>3D models that move for enemies
???

>>715769045
Isn't that just 3DS EO? 3D map + 3D enemy, unless you mean also 3D character, which would add nothing since you never get to see your party outside of stat screen anyway.

>>715769212
Yes? What's the confusion?

>>715769382

It doesn't have to be first-person you know. NPCs and your characters could be seen within a 3D world.

>>715769383
steam versions have sprites

>>715769505
He wasn't talking about the Steam version. That was the point of the post.

>>715769597
if you follow up the reply chain you'll see

>>715769382
>>715769476
Wizardry gacha doing visible characters is definitely interesting. Is it the first one to do so after Shining Holy Ark?

>>715769045
2D is a choice that allows these games to be made with low budgets. You'd need an actual studio to make it full 3d.

>>715769814
just make something low poly like potato flowers in full bloom

>>715741303
I like rolling dice to determine my starting characters and flipping coins whenever they get skill points, and then headcannoning how my characters are all gambling addicts

>>715749936
I tried guessing the creator's mindset and managed to pick the correct door second try, it's still an absolutely retarded design choice

>>715749936
Claret Hollows is definitely more an exercise in how much bullshit you're willing to put up with than challenging.

>>715736910
>>715738252
>>715738567
So how good is the other Touhou dungeon crawler?

>>715762450
nah

>>715770984
I haven't played it yet but I've heard nothing but good things. If you like SMT1, 2 or ...If, it should be a no-brainer.

>>715761837
As of right now: no.

>>715768696
if you want money then make a persona clone with a map, if you want a good game then make the classes interact with the maze more. So far, classes are only differentiated in combat and in chop/mine/gather skills that no one uses anyways in favor of survivalist/farmer groups.
But then you'll have to somehow balance it so that you can't just dump a level 1 landsknecht into your party to pass the roadblock, and then get your regular party back right afterwards. Your choices throughout the whole game need to have meaning and interact in a meaningful way with the map. But that's hard, and I'm dumb and don't know how to make that properly.

>>715747197
>But I gave up at the finish line because this party couldn't fucking touch Abyssal Princess.
I love that Etrian Odyssey gives you different ways to build your party (classic tank/damage/healer, bind/ailment focused, combo/link focused, etc), but it always feels like shit when the superboss has gimmicks that require a completely different comp than the one that carried you through the entire game.

>>715769920
>potato flowers in full bloom
Great game by the way, go play it if you're looking for a soulful dungeon crawler that won't take up an entire month.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSrY-z2jDoc

>>715764575
No contest.

>>715770984
You mean the only good one Cirnozardry?

>>715771571
>if you want a good game then make the classes interact with the maze more.
I think this is one of those ideas that sounds better on paper than it is actually implemented. They attempted something like this in EO5 with race skills, but it was incredibly dull. All you needed was one of each race and a couple skill points in passives and each dungeon event was basically solved.

>>715772373
Yeah agreed. Ever Oasis is not a DRPG but it had a similar mechanic and it just ended up being super annoying having to swap out party members and weapons and keep going back to old dungeons to unlock side paths and secrets.

If you think about CRPGs you always have someone in the party who can pick locks and disable traps. It's just mandatory and doesn't really add that much to the game.

>>715761264
Shame we never got EOU3 , would be nicer to have actual music instead of beepboops

>>715773041
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArWXf8-5ZxI

>>715761264
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1_7UQHIDcA

>>715773157
>SA
it's not the same

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KyPB3dz10Y

glad this thread is still up

>>715773157
>4:29

>19 hour EO thread
The closest this board has gotten to a video game thread in a while.

>>715775373
>Video games
>On /v/
Good one anon, this is the board for shitposting and gacha, don't you dare try to talk about any video games here you get called a shill or it get shitposted to death

What team should I take for the EO3 postgame?

>>715775421
>gacha
Has a plague ever taken a hold of this board, nay this site, as much as this? /vg/ is unusable now.

>>715775697
your favorites

>>715775697
Whoever you like. Don't even try to beat the superboss though, it's bullshit

>>715775720
v-tubers

>>715776172
Ehr, they get one or two threads every few days. I can live with it. Gacha on the other hand is like a cancer that erodes at video games and the culture around it.

>>715776309
they used to get a shit ton more before /vt/ was a thing

>>715776363
True. Gacha needs similar treatment but worse. A complete containment-board that, one established, doesn't allow gacha games discussed anywhere else on the site.

>>715776485
*once

>>715776172
kys

>>715776740
mad /vt/ranny

>>715701741
difficulty options came with the fourth entry; the first three games had a set difficulty, prior to the hd versions that introduced the option.

>>715777794
thats GODGAWRGURAENJOYERGIGACHAD to you faggit

>>715748231
>Left 3ds on too long
>Power died
>"You abandoned a run? We're going to take your shit"
Special mention: 50 floor dungeons w/ drop rates worse than EO1 dragon parts, and a boost skill meant to increase drop rates that might actually lower them??? Oh, oh, and turning off animations does not turn off status ailment animations, have fun sitting through a whole room getting bound one by one
>Game glitches, and super-speeds up the off-screen status application animations
bliss

>>715776485
The moe version of eightchan has its own /gacha/ board, but if we got that here on /v/, we might have to fuse with /vr/ because most games are so shit, we wouldn't talk about them. There'd be like only 2 threads. Oh wait, we already don't.

>>715775697
H/N G/B A/G
M/P Z/W

>>715748231
>so poorly programmed that on-field buffs can become permanent
bravo Chunsoft, you literally can not use Sovereign in the game or you otherwise break it unintentionally

>>715778379
Oh, oh, oh, and I also forgot, poison dealing the finishing blow will not grant credit for a kill, because fuck you.

>missed the rare EO thread because of work

>>715705850
Extremely late reply but it's basically based on old school wizardry m8

>site is dead
>eo thread doesn't 404

nice

>>715771914
The first game is the worst offender. The Protector class is essentially useless for most of the game as the protection ability get greatly outclassed by the medic ones while also doing less damage than a medic.
His only use is to fight the superbosses and even then except for the very last one the others easily can be beaten with a Troubadour's elemental resistance songs stacked with Immunize too. So the Protector is really only there for a single postgame battle.

>>715773041
This is possilbly the dumbest post on /v/ right now. I can't imagine having such a shit opinion.

>>715705850
who the fuck is looking for story in a wizardry clone?

sticc is the best class

>>715783615
I really like Arcanist parties in Nexus. They're comfy and it's fun to keep bosses more or less permanently disabled. Everyone loves it in 4 but it's still pretty good in Nexus.

>>715783615
Arcanist and Dancer were so much fun.

>>715784564
>lust provoking image
wheres your irrelevant question anon?

>>715700579 (OP)
>>715700579 (OP)
Which game is easier?

Dark Spire or Strange Journey?

>>715779241
Are these games even playable in July of 2025? I feel like they’d be dated

>>715784690
are dungeon crawlers good for you

>>715784887
i think so

>>715715708
EO1 wasn't designed with being able to see the FOE's true form in mind. Changing this is a bad thing.

>>715783718
Sleep Circle is legitimately busted. It trivializes random encounters and effectively gives free set up on bosses.

>>715784887
>irrelevant time wasting question
There it is.

Look at my girl

>>715700579 (OP)
dungeon crawlers/blobbers are always so fucking cheaply made
just pngs shaking against other pngs

>>715785919
remove fang

>>715786052
>so fucking cheaply made
I think it just helps their design. Combat, movement, shopping everything is suppose to feel agile and snappy and with 2D you don't need animations to get any of it done.
That being said it would be neat to at least once see a really expensive high-budget DRPG.

>>715700579 (OP)
How good are these games compared to Labyrinth of Refrain?

>>715786564
They're better.

>>715786709
Really?

I don't play a lot of dungeon crawlers, but really enjoyed LoR, except the Bosses were ridiculously hard. It felt like it was a damage race every time once they enraged and started nuking my entire team with AoE spam. Would you say Eitrean Odessey games are bit easier or are the Boss fights brutal in those games as well?

>>715786873
Your average EO boss will feel like the final few Refrain bosses. EO's a much harder series, though there's ways to trivialize any of the games.

>>715786873
Refrain's more story-driven and the actual gameplay is shit while EO's stories just exist for the most part (EO3 had a 3-route one) while it focuses on gameplay and team synergy.
Actual gameplay for Refrain (and Galleria) focuses more on your remaking your dolls constantly to basically brute force the opposition with sheer stats if necessary. Otherwise, it's just auto-spam.
EO's easier if you know the mechanics beforehand which you won't if you go in blind, otherwise Refrain's bosses are far far easier.

>>715786090
DELETE THIS

>>715787081
>>715787107
Alright, thanks guys. I'll probably pick up the collection on Steam. I'm kinda looking to get into this genre some more. The only dungeon crawlers I've played before LoR was Swords & Serpents on the NES and some of Shining In The Darkness on Genesis, which I borrowed briefly from my neighbor.

You guys know any other dungeon crawler games that you would recommend for someone who hasn't played that many over the years?

>>715786052
Imagine it had longass animations for everything including basic attacks like in LOTR: Third Age. Those games would have quadruple playtime!

>>715787282
Potato Flowers is a nice quick dive for an indie. The demo is surprisingly long.

>>715787343
Thanks, I'll check it out.

>>715784564
Do you think the Abyssal King...?

>>715784854
They are dated but playable. For most you need some external way to draw the map.

For Wizardry 1-3 I'd recommend the SNES version instead of the ancient PC version. Or if that's still too old you can try the remake on Steam.

>>715741303
Try playing Wizardry instead :)

>>715710578
Yuzo Koshiro is a god. Easily one of the greatest VGM composers of all time. Up there with the best of them like Koji Kondo, Koichi Sugiyama, etc.

>>715786052
They're games that can be made like that. For a lot of genres you can't simplify visuals to that point. Imagine a 3d action game that's all static sprites squishing and bouncing around.

>>715786375
It's too niche of a genre to get a high budget game. Wizardry gacha is the closest we're gonna get.

>>715787542
Okay what about if I want to play Ultima and Might and Magic?

What routes should I follow

>>715779925
Practically speaking Medic isnt getting Caduceus until Stratum 3 or 4 in most runs. Protector can easily get Smite by Stratum 2 and isnt that far off from many of the other main DPS for most of the game.

>>715787908
Sorry I'm not sure about those games.

>>715787980
>he doesn't run 2 or more Medics

>>715788075
I don't like to stack classes.

>>715716254
Yeah but not knowing what monster is going to ambush you makes is more terrifying.

One thing I wanna see in the next game is for them to encouage running more than your initial five party members + maybe a farming squad.

I remember playing Strangers of Sword City and the one thing I really liked is the limited lives system.
>If a character dies in combat, they lose a "life"
>If they run out of lives, it's permadeath
>This also makes mid-exploration revival a very heavy and risk-laden decision
>To recover lives, they have to sit on the bench for a long time (you can cheese this by running back and forth in one spot for ages, but that's extremely boring and you'd usually rather push forward with progression anyway).
So you end up having to build and equip multiple A, B and even C-team members to cycle out, and you really feel like you're running more of a guild rather than just a normal JRPG party.

>>715738386
Is it turn cringe?