Was he justified in his actions?

Getting troll's remorse when you're 500 years in your systematic genocide (completely useless) is not a redemption arc
Yi is not a good guy

>>715723432 (OP)
Game sucks, wanted it for a while and got it on sale and refunded after an hour shit is boring and the furry women aren't even that good looking

>>715723432 (OP)
i did not care for the apemen, and liked the ending where we sace the solarians more

Goumang did nothing wrong

>>715724259
See what I mean? not sexy at all

>>715724514
Don't worry Anon
It's 2025, we accept homosexuals like you on /v/

>>715723773
You're only kvetching about muh genocide because it's humans he did it to, your species.

>>715723807
I also like that ending, mostly because taoism is a stupid philosophy that goes against our nature in the worst possible way.

>>715724975
Im bi but thankies :3

How the fuck does tuanhuo even work
>everyone used to live for millenia without the virus
>get infected
>removing "the gene with the virus" removes all intelligence
Solarians were born just fine before tianhuo happened, why was it so difficult to just fix their genes to be the same as before

>>715724259
She ate all the optoberries

>>715723432 (OP)
Yes, but not for the reasons he intended.

Humanity needs Solarian women

>>715723432 (OP)
In being in a bad game? No.

>>715726146
As far as I can tell, tianhuo is a taoist cosmic middle finger to the solarians for sucking at being taoist. Tao is all about not trying too hard and not going against the flow and the solarians failed at doing that, then repeatedly failed when they made a spaceship and mass murdered apemen to try and stave off the inevitable
>removes all intelligence
reverting to a one-with-nature wild animal form is apparently tao enough to not die of tianhuo. I'm assuming it's not removing the Tianhuo gene that makes them cats, it's removing the intelligent-solarian genes that protects them from the disease
>The one character who accepted what was happening and died in peace was Heng, which is pretty Tao, so why did she die of Tianhuo at all?
Good question

>>715723432 (OP)
He was the strongest so he was right.

>>715727298
I guess that makes a lot of sense from a taoist perspective, I just feel like it's called a "virus" and there's so much hubbub about gene research, that the game could've been a bit more clear if tianhuo was not actually supposed to be a virus as per the normal definition. Even calling it a "disease" or a "plague" or "affliction" or whatever else could've left more room for interpretation, because viruses are a pretty specific thing.
>I'm assuming it's not removing the Tianhuo gene that makes them cats, it's removing the intelligent-solarian genes that protects them from the disease
I think the log says something like "we isolated the tianhuo-bearing gene and removed it from embryos and they were born as cats", which is pretty unambiguous. I might be misremembering though.

>>The one character who accepted what was happening and died in peace was Heng, which is pretty Tao, so why did she die of Tianhuo at all?
This actually doesn't bother me that much: the Tao, as I understand it (having learned everything I know about it from a taiwanese furry video game), is about accepting the course of things as they happen. From a taoist point of view, dying of tianhuo is not a bad thing, it's just the natural course of life and death. So it would not have been "inherently good" for Heng to suddenly be cured; from Heng's point of view, the virus was no longer a middle finger or a cosmic punishment, but just how things went.
And at the same time, Heng's death still served as a middle finger to Yi and anyone else not accepting of the tao, so it still served a purpose.
Besides IIRC Heng wasn't the only one to accept it anyway, I think there's some off-hand mentions of taoist groups in general coming to terms with it.

>>715723773
>Yi is not a good guy
That wasn't the question

>>715723432 (OP)
>>715724259
Why was he so specifically cruel to Goumang compared to all the other Sols? Pent up rage for her probably calling him a manlet all the time?

>>715729018
When the incel rises up, the devil shudders.

>>715729018
In general the Sols die in ways that are ironic or fitting, Yi was just using her slave collars against her.

>>715729018
IMO, it's a combination of factors: most of the other sols either died unceremoniously so Yi didn't have to say anything, or they weren't particularly insufferable, or Yi had started rethinking his ways towards the end of the game.

Like, of the sols with actually reprenshible character traits, Yanlao just keeled over and died without any ceremony (and Yi was pretty rude to him before that), Jiequan seemed to like Yi in his own twisted way and in any case fucking killed himself mid-fight, Nuwa was basically a zombie and Fuxi is probably the only one that can be compared to Goumang. But she was more completely delusional than outright malicious, and she's one of the later bosses you have to fight, by which point Yi is already starting to learn compassion from Shuanshuan.

As for the others, Kuafu and Lady E both got along with Yi just fine, and E went insane due to the stress of failure which Yi seemed sympathetic to, and Ji was just doing his own thing so there wasn't any particular reason for Yi to hate him either.

>>715729018
She was still alive in the ending so he didn't really kill her as much as he just kind of left her as a statue

>Have to genocide your own species to save the humans
What did Red Candle Games mean by this?

>>715723773
Given that he did all of that to try and avert his own species genocide from a virus, I can understand why he did it. He could sit his ass back at home with his sister wife and it'd still be better to at least try and find a cure.

I just started a new playthrough, what are some fun challenge runs I could do? I was considering a no jades + no skills/upgrades run (except for max HP because I don't want to hear Shennong's moaning in the pavilion). I also want to try doing Yanlao first, I heard the first three bosses can be done in any order if you backtrack after getting the air parry.

>>715730612
Been thinking of a no jades+vials/max HP/healing catalysts run

>>715726146
even if you ignore the divine punishment angle, i don't think the idea of a virus that only beings with a specific gene (that also gives intelligence) are vulnerable to is that far fetched.

>>715730612
can you get the true ending if you don't help shennong?

>>715726146
>How the fuck does tuanhuo even work
It's an evolutionary dead end, the Solarians are just fuck, this is the end of the road and the only thing left is to accept your end or try to prolong your life with externally cruel methods.

This is why Heng dies in peace and everyone else in the ship has a terrible fate, Yin only finds peace when he accepts that his dead will bring a future for shuanshuan.

Kuafu gets spare because he really don't think about his mortality

>>715730612
minimum root node run where you can only use unstable root nodes and the pavillion node.

>>715731295
Kuafu died of a heart attack shortly after landing on Earth, such is the Tao.

>dies to ji
nice hexagrams, idiot.

>>715732041
you don't die thougheverbeit

also threadly time for me to seethe about the shitty "you always resurrect lololol" mechanic, and how all bosses and named characters are just happy to wait for you to respawn and fight them from the beginning all over again each time

>>715732313
I can get why they had it to tie in with the game's themes of life and death, but in practice is does make it jarring when you die in boss fights. Some game mechanics are better left unsaid in story.

>>715730406
His species was already fucked so might as well let at least let the other one survive. He should have at least gotten Kaufu a cute Solarian gf to repopulate on Earth with though.

>>715732313
>and how all bosses and named characters are just happy to wait for you to respawn and fight them from the beginning all over again each time
Only Goumang and Yanlao don't have an excuse as to why they do this.

>>715732668
to me it feels like they just made it this way because souls games do it this way. alonside the shitty corpse run. so of course "hollow knight but sekiro" has to do it too
I think maybe it would have been possible to do the regeneration thing only at some points in the game, and at other points make it an actual save reload

>>715732721
and the others have excuses? how so
they don't even say anything or comment if they kill you 50 times and you keep coming, they're content to just fight you over and over and over in the exact same way, always starting with the eaisest and simplest phase and then getting stronger
imo the only one who does have an excuse is Ji (and maybe kuafu because you're fighting an overgrown guard rather than a living person)

>>715732313
i don't think the way it works ingame is actually canon. when eigon killed yi before the events of the game, it took him 500 years to regenerate.

>>715728682
>>715726146
>I think the log says something like "we isolated the tianhuo-bearing gene and removed it from embryos and they were born as cats", which is pretty unambiguous.
Its always going to be muddy, because its a very mysticism thing.
The toil and suffering adds character, even more so in an idea system where humans are viewed as the upper cycle in the cycle of life.

But its a bit more subtle than that. Their flaw isn't reaching the apex, its trying to grasp beyond it. Which results in people literally flowering into escaping their mortal shells.

>>715733040
But Jiequan mentions it. Also when Yi blew himself as a kid, he presumably regenerated quite fast since he then went on to do a bunch of other stuff all within the normal mortal lifetimes of Heng and his family, so it's clearly possible.
My guess is it's just fusang bullshit. When Heng used the roots to revive him the first time, they healed him quickly. When eigong killed him, I'm guessing the roots were just not able or not willing to regenerate him. Maybe because they were powering the spaceship? Maybe it could even have something to do with how all the root nodes are closed and dormant until you activate them and that makes the roots pop out again.

>Megaprojects
>Genetics
>Robots and cybernetics
>Under the pressure of a literal apocalypse, so we can safely abandon arguments such as ‘ethics’, 'taboo' and ‘morality'
>Not a single Solarian thought of uploading his mind into a robot body/computer
Space kots were a bunch of dumdums

>>715733012
Everybody else either doesn't care, tries to prevent it, cannot do anything about it, or wants him to keep going until they're defeated.

>>715729018
In the draft cutscene her legs explode and she dies. Devs decided it's not edgy enough and came up with this shit.

>>715733469
Well they kind of did that with the collective dream machine thing, but ended up creating the eternal nightmares beyond comprehension machine instead

>>715733469
If you have zero research about consciousness upload but have made giant strides and effort into immortality, you cannot simply poof a mind transfer technology into perfectly compatible bodies out of nowhere, especially when the wealthiest of circles are already only funding the immortality project and you have to keep buttering them up to continue said funding or else they'll pull the plug in an instant.
Its a time constraint as well as a political one.

>>715733469
Couldn't they had made backup bodies out of genosoldiers? They didn't seem affected by the virus.

If you're confused, just remember that Fusang is a sapient and potentially divine entity in its own right and was just sick of the Solarians' shit.
Which can make it even more evil than the Sols combined since it decided to undertake a species-wide genocide, but this is a Chinese (culture) game so the morality of divine figures is beyond that of mortals.

>>715733469
They literally did retard, like the other anon said. At least with a virtual reality machine, and robot bodies could come alter.
The thing is this is a universe where mind manipulation seems very difficult to achieve successfully. Cybernetically enhanced soldiers either went mad or turned into crazy killing machines, for example. And the VR project seemed doomed to eternal nightmares with no fix in sight. All of their technology makes it very easy to mind-control, mind-wipe, destroy the psyche, construct nightmares and the like; and there's almost no evidence in the game of any successful technology related to neural engineering.

>>715733827
You have no guarantee of compatibility and the board financing the immortality venture was already on the verge of pulling out to the point where if the dream pods were revealed to have needed more time to develop they would have cancelled the entire New Kunlun venture entirely.
Political reasons simply prevented any other attempt of being considered lest the entire thing got shut down.

>>715733887
I like the game's story over all but I don't have to agree with every message it's saying. If humanity was facing species wide extinction because of a virus, I'd die fighting trying to find a way cure and screaming at the heavens on how cruel of a fate it is.

I'm at the Eigong battle right now and I'm confused about one thing in terms of the lore as revealed by the council logs.
For the Eternal Cauldron Project, the idea is to put every solarian into VR hibernation, but the problem is the computing power. So they decide to a biological computer, and they find the Pale Blue Planet 500 light-years away, so they decide to go there.
But everyone has to go into hibernation in order to reach the planet. The planet that they have to go to, to be able to build the hibernation computer in the first place. How does that work?

>>715734053
The way I interpret the story is that it's trying to say that being a workaholic isn't end-all-be-all, even if it's for greater good. The world will eventually claim us all, so like Heng, it's good to cherish what little time your own mortal existence might still hold.

>>715734053
If there was a message being pushed, then it was "harmony between man and nature instead of exploitation." Beyond that, it's simply a tragic story of morons reaching beyond what they can grasp and continuously making things worse whenever they try to fix their previous fuckups until Yi just ended everything. Keep in mind that inaction by the Tao-pushers resulted in their own deaths because they did nothing to stop the unethical, so it's not pushing that message.
>>715734136
They weren't in hibernation until the VR machine was ready. Before that they were living normally in living quarters, that's what the Empyrean District was originally for.

>>715733447
>But Jiequan mentions it.
he mentions that if he kills him he'll just pop out of another root node, but i don't think he says when. it's possible he meant in another 500 years, after which point yi would just continue his rampage.

>>715734136
I interpreted that part that they lived normal lives until the system was ready, which took some time after the warp to the pale blue planet. The whole station is bigger than what you travel through in the game, so there's reasonably some regular living quarters, even if not everyone gets to enjoy the luxuries of Empyrean District or the like.

>>715734380
So they spent 500 years just living normally? I thought the virus was killing everyone and they had no time left, and the VR hibernation was a last-ditch effort to buy more time for the research.
Also Eigong's private logs in the research center basement seem to indicate that she was in hibernation for most of the time Yi was dead, only waking up occasionally to check up on long-term experiments.

>>715734558
>warp
Huh I must have missed that part, though that would explain it
So have they just been orbiting the PBP for 500 years?

>>715730406
>Just roll over and die, bro!

>>715734624
>So have they just been orbiting the PBP for 500 years?
Yeah, they warped to the pale blue planet using the roots' stored powers. It's what enabled them to reach the planet in the first place. From there, they parked on top of our Sun, and tried to squeeze it dry to recharge the roots' batteries, for another warp back home.

>>715734136
New Kunlun used stored rhizomatic energy to teleport to the blue planet instantly

>>715734624
>So they spent 500 years just living normally?
Well no, they got the VR machine going as quickly as they could and then got everyone into hibernation. There were some casualties, plenty of test subjects for Eigong's experiments, but they were originally living normally for a few years or few decades before all the pods were ready.
>So have they just been orbiting the PBP for 500 years?
Technically orbiting the sun, but yes.

>>715734731
Oh that makes perfect sense. Somehow I missed both the warping part, and the recharging the roots part.

>>715734136
Everyone was awake for a few months while the Sols gathered the apemen brains to power the soulscape. Then all the solarians went to sleep

>>715734380
>Keep in mind that inaction by the Tao-pushers resulted in their own deaths because they did nothing to stop the unethical, so it's not pushing that message.
>>715734634
>Just roll over and die, bro!

Personally, that's indeed the message I've gotten so far. The cosmos decided that the time of the cats was over. Meanwhile the apes would have an opportunity to build their own world (assuming the cats don't just genocide everyone in their path in their desperate last-ditch trashing against the cosmos).
And said trashing only kept making things worse, too; dying in peace would have likely been better, and brought about less suffering and destruction than the entire new kunlun project ended up causing. And the outcome was just the same, or even worse if you kill the apes too.

I haven't beaten Eigong yet (so no spoilers please) but I'm curious whether they would actually have been able to survive as mutants, for a given definition of survive at least. Or whether the fusang would have proceeded to blow them all up once there were no more living solarians, and achieve peace that way.

>>715734136
New Kunlun used the energy of the roots to jump straight there faster than light, and then the Empyrean District was there to fill the gap between arrival and gathering enough apeman brains to start the soulscapes.

>>715734824
If I recall, they explain it in one of the dialogues where you see the Sols sitting together in a council room chairs, so I guess right before the final boss? One of them (Yi?) mentions that there's a planet 500 light years away, another comments that such a distance doesn't help, but then it's brought up that the roots have enough energy in them to perform the warp. And since it's mentioned that the roots absorb energy from stars in prior scenes, the logic follows from there.

>>715735082
Just go beat the boss faggot. The game has been out for a year. People are going to post about spoilers

>>715734319
Not him but the ultimate goal of a species is to survive, be it individually, or on a macro scale. We avoid or kill predators so that we may survive on an individual scale, and we breed and raise offspring so that we may survive on a macro scale. If individuals are faced with the prospect of a complete extinction, it'd be natural for them to try and combat it. Ironically, for all of its preachiness about hubris and defiance of the natural order, 9S's message is anti-nature as fuck, and the only way for it to work is to force Deus Ex Machinas into the narrative that make it impossible for the story to be believable if it had to obey the ruls of our reality.

>>715734952
The first ending seems better to me. Apemen get to enjoy all the technology on Penglai instead of being stuck in stone age and there is still hope to find a cure for Tianhuo. By the time it's found apemen will be a majority on Penglai so they couldn't become slaves again.

>>715734952
>The cosmos decided
It only happened because the cats decided to be idiots and Fusang had enough of their shit.
But again, inaction by the Tao fundies allowed the scientists to push things this far, and the fundies were not spared the resulting genocide. Their inaction was just as much a fault as the scientists' actions, by failing to moderate science to ensure it existed in a sustainable and harmonious way. Yes, once the virus happened it was the point of no return, but getting to that point took a lot of people looking the other way and doing nothing to stop what was happening.

What was his fucking problem?

>>715735082
>I'm curious whether they would actually have been able to survive as mutants
Sure, Fuxi was relatively stable and docile. He was even able to communicate with his sis

>>715735417
Nigga they are Yi’s slaves and get their brains harvested. Not to mention how Yi is cloning Shuanshuan

>>715735482
was he? or was nuwa (conciously or subconciously) making up what he was "saying"?

>>715734952
I'm pretty sure a lot of innocent Solarians had nothing to do with creating the virus or harvesting the humans. They didn't deserve to die.

>>715734952
It's a story where the writers created a message and then created a narrative to support it. It's not a story where the writers created a world and then played out a scenario within said world that would be natural for it. Of course following the author's message was the right way to go, because the author never bothered to develop the world in a manner that would allow conflicting views to reach a viable conclusion no matter how potentially possible it could be.

>>715735357
>Just go beat the boss faggot.
Nigger I just got to it the day before yesterday and since then I've been busy at work
Yes I have the time to shitpost between tasks but I don't have the time to sit down and tryhard a difficult boss tonight
>The game has been out for a year
I play new games once in a blue moon, it took me a while to decide I actually even wanted to play 9S.
Obviously I meant don't spoil me in replying to my post (in case you learn the answer to my question in the ending), not that nobody should post any spoilers in the thread anymore because I'm here.

>>715735482
Fuxi was the only stable one, though, for some reason. And it seems like his sister was controlling him somehow with her flute thingy, so it's unclear how much free will he even had.

>>715723432 (OP)
How about him?

>>715735387
> the only way for it to work is to force Deus Ex Machinas into the narrative that make it impossible for the story to be believable if it had to obey the ruls of our reality.
I mean they have faster-than-light travel, so there's that. At its core 9S is very much a sci-fi story, and sci-fi stories tend to often deal with more philosophical or ethical quarrels. In this case, what sort of lengths are you willing to go to when faced with species-wide extinction event.

>>715735445
He was forged in agony

>>715735387
While it's ambigous, it's entirely possible that it was a deus ex machina that made cats into intelligent hyper-advanced technocrats in the first place. Seems like a very big coincidence that the planet with a lovecraftian root godform weaving fate also happens to be the planet hosting the most advanced civilisation around.

>>715735417
I never actually seen the first ending until now.
Did losing his boywife really mindbreak Yi that much?

>>715735934
That makes the story into cosmic horror stuff then, because you basically have a god like being that is reason for your existance and holds all of the power over you. And decides to kill your entire species because of a few people trying to achieve immortality.

>>715735387
If you feel so disheartened, you can always write a fix-it fanfic

>>715735954
>boywife
Excuse you?

>>715736142
Eh, I don't care about my dislike of the authors' personally philosophy to such a degree. And truth be told, I do still respect 9S because even its asinine message was well delivered and paced.

>>715736130
I mean the latter stuff is already happening anyway. Whether the fusang created solarians or not doesn't change that it's still the thing currently dictating their fate, in that it had the ability to just unilaterally decide on total cat death and all their best scientists, all their advanced technology and all their advanced wisdom wasn't enough to go against it.

>>715734952
>The cosmos decided that the time of the cats was over.
The picture the game paints is that the Cats already had been there, which is why Ji growns up in the ruins of the previous cat people.
Cats don't blossom until Tao seeds until their species genuinely start having a major grasp towards immortality

>>715736130
>few people trying to achieve immortality.
And they succeeded, meaning the Tao seeds comes after.
Its like you go to participate in a Covid25 trial, only to become immortal. and then the First Trumpet is blown.

>>715736404
If the Fusang is the reason Solarians achieve sapience, why not help the Solarians find a cure or gene edit their way out of the virus without losing their sapience?

>>715735538
Most Solarians are dead, so I doubt they couldn't power soulscape just with computers on Penglai. Apemen are Yi's subordinates but Yi isn't an omnipresent being so they would form some sort of society that is not entirely controlled by him.

>>715736559
Fusang is the reason they get the virus too, idiot
(Probably)

>>715736704
Oh well then fuck the Fusang. It's doing genocide.

>>715736789
Ironically, dealing with Solarians by the roots

My wife Eigong knows what's best for me!

>lady etherial's entire section of the game is about how the soulscape is such a paradise that after being in it for only a few hours the real world feels hellish, and how she was never able to fix this problem before shovibg 100k solarians into it
>none of the sols have this problem
do they actually all just have mental fortitude that good, or is this a plothole?

>>715723432 (OP)
so why didn't they just grow apeman brain matter instead of doing the convoluted human farm bullshit?
they were only using the brains as wetware cpus anyways

>>715723798
Nigga you didnt even get far enough to fight the good bosses or see the attractive furries

>>715737590
A lot of their technology involves bio-engineering with wetware. Like their automated guards are all biologically constructed and hyper-engineered mutant cyborgs, with only a few actual robots here and there.
Farming humans is probably just the easiest way to grow apeman brain matter on short notice. Maybe if this was going to remain the solution long-term they'd have mutated the humans to grow brains more efficiently.

One might ask why they didn't just grow solarian brains, but this is covered in the council cutscene right before the final boss, the virus infection apparently meant it wouldn't work.

>>715736564
The brains go bad after awhile and have to be replaced

>>715737517
She mentions that she fixed it slightly, but ethereals nightmares were bad due to her trauma. Eigong also mentions how her head feels like it’s about to explode after waking up so many times

>>715733827
I've always wondered why the geno-army soldiers don't actually look like Solarians but are more similar to the Apemen. (No helmets or hats that resemble cat ears at least?)

>>715738565
Because they are made of apemen; after the brains are harvested the remaining flesh ends up going to the transmutation furnace to serve as raw material for the created geno-army.

>>715738995
I thought the genome soldiers were exclusively made from the flesh of the mutated huge,gagged, and regenerating noble guy (Kanghui) in the prison?

>>715739405
They use his DNA but by that point he’s just jiequan’s personal onahole.

>>715739405
Originally, but you can see apeman flesh get packaged up and sent from the harvesting facility to the factory in the background details.

I want to kiss Ji.

>>715739829
Why is he ballin.

>>715739405
Kanghui provides the regeneration gene, which is what allows flesh to survive multiple rounds of gene editing/transmutation. He's not actually supplying the stock of flesh, just the gene.
In fact I don't think he's "supplying" the gene anymore - he was studied and experimented on, and the gene was extracted from him, and now that they have the gene I'm pretty sure they don't actually need his body for anything anymore. Jiequan is keeping him locked and gagged in his prison out of pure sadism (hot).

>>715739941
He loves to show his balls.

>>715740050
I do not understand this meme.

>>715737517
The R&D she got the Solarian status for ended with her test subject reaching Nirvana and failing to cope when touching grass afterwards. And not metaphorically.
The version that is used for space travel and stasis later is a bit better, but its still flawed enough that it works like that on a few once in a while.

Which means the opposite: Ji has not been in the soulscape, and is starting to become mentally stable. The Twink hasn't even touched it yet, and is of perfect mind.
Every Solarian you encounter who is lucid is on edge as fuck, due the flaw of the soulscape. The trigger to enter the endgame is walking trough Eigongs log of her getting more and more deranged due cryosleeping in the soulscape.

>tfw no news from the devs since releasing the artbook aside from some community manager shit that nobody cares
Are we going to be the new Silksong schizos, bros...?

>>715740894
imagine if they just go back to making horror games and never make anything even slightly similar to nine sols again

look at this ugly monkey

i wish we got some jade system lore. besides their in-game uses, you can say it's possible that they're what allowed chien and ji to see, but other than that speculation, there's absolutely nothing to go on at all about what's basically modular cybernetics.

>>715740347
Yi is wearing fake jordans AND can't ball bc Ji was only a fake manlet

Yes because he's cute

someone post the gif of the claw machine expanding ji

>>715742458

>>715742184
If we ever do get a Lear prequel game, I hope they do more with it and introduce combinations

A nine sus thread that's not pure incest thirstposting, incredible

>>715741032
knowing they made horror games before explains so much

>>715744236
I think they did a hard pivot partly because their game before Nine Sols got chinks angry due to a joke

>>715723773
I doubt the only humans around were onboard New Kunlun.

>>715728682
>could've been a bit more clear if tianhuo was not actually supposed to be a virus as per the normal definition.
Anon that was kind of the point. The dumb solarians became too science focused and couldnt understand that the "virus" was mystic religious bullshit. The only one who realized it wasnt the virus wasnt necessarily bad had to literally be born with special tao root hearing powers.

>>715740894
Chiensong Q4 2026
Trust the plan.

>>715744949
we already know how that would end though...

>gets randomly gifted with immortality
>gives zero fucks as to why or how
>just neets away for all eternity
Based and exactly what i would do if i became imortal

>>715740894
We can't be that, since we haven't been waiting years for an already shown game with a trailer and all. The only thing I want more from the Devs is for them to give me more lore about the game's setting doesn't matter what form it takes..

IM NOT A FURRY IM NOT A FURRY IM NOT A FURRY IM NOT A FURRY IM NOT A FURRY IM NOT A FURRY IM NOT A FURRY IM NOT A FURRY IM NOT A FURRY

>>715745259
He was literally captain of the fangshi during the war. He only became a neet after his boyfriend Lear died

>>715733012
>and the others have excuses?
Kaufus centaur thing is just a security response.
Lady ethereal is stuck in her dreamscape and mind fucked its not like shes going to hunt you down after you die.
Buff red guy is aware you can respawn and specifically says he has no idea where youll respawn from afterward so its not like he can abuse your deaths after you escape. A bit headcannony but you can also infer that he wants a fair 1v1 fight considering hes the muh honor warlord guy or whatever.
Ji wants you to kill him.
The twins never wanted anything to do with you to begin with and gave away the seals until yi crashed their party. Afterwards i guess they dont have an excuse for preemptively doing something about yi respawning but idk theyre partying and having sex 24/7 so they probably just dont care.

>>715745259
Being able to see the future must be a real curse under a Taoist view of the universe
Trying to change the future would most assuredly be going against the flow

>>715744852
>The dumb solarians became too science focused and couldnt understand that the "virus" was mystic religious bullshit.
But a literal virus is easy to heal. Whatever Tianhuo was, it couldn't have been a virus as we define it now.
>The only one who realized it wasnt the virus wasnt necessarily bad had to literally be born with special tao root hearing powers.
Pretty sure during some of the cutscenes with Heng, Yi mentions something like "don't say things like those crazy cults that want to stay behind!" or something, I forgot the wording, but basically the impression I got is that Heng wasn't necessarily alone in her taoist view of accepting it.

>>715745485
shut up, spic

>>715745390
>>715745485
they didn’t have to make her moan when smacked

sex with shuanshuan

>>715745623
>Jiequan is muh honor warlord
Lol, cheating, betrayal and lying are his bread and butter. He fully embraces this and it's even happy when you used poison against him before the fight as it shows that you are also just like him. Dont get me wrong he is a "rules of nature!" retard and i love him dearly for it

>>715746342
Sir that’s a 10 year old boy

>>715746352
I saved the poison to sell after the fight since it was already pretty easy

>>715723432 (OP)
He was instantly not justified when he put a chick in an endless mind control torture feedback loop for zero reason other than angry. He gets better later but god damn bro u going to cat hell now.

>>715745623
Kuafu and E yes.
Jiequan could, at minimum, have fixed the poison serum if you give it to him. Or done any number of other things to buff himself up, or set traps in the arena for you, etc. He really doesn't seem like the kind of guy to just sit there waiting for you twiddling his thumbs. Also after you respawn a dozen times from the one root node that's directly next to his bedroom, I think he'd pick up on the pattern.
The twins hate that you're ruining their party, and again "they don't care" is not an excuse after you die a few times and it becomes clear that you're just gonna keep coming back over and over again. I don't know if there's anything they CAN do, but really, at the very bare minimum, Nuwa could start by blowing her flute to summon all the big attacks from phase two right away, rather than going through the entire phase one routine every single time.

Kuafu, Ethereal and Ji are the only ones who actually have an excuse. For that matter even for Lady Ethereal it's weird to start from phase one every time - if she goes to the next phase one she's angry or desperate enough or whatever, it's kinda weird that she calms down enough to go back to the super easy first phase absolutely every single time without fail, and you can die to phase three 100 times and come back and she'll hit you with phase one again without fail. But at least that's kinda somewhat excusable, unlike the others. That's only 3/7 bosses with an excuse.

>>715746486
So did i i wanted the archivement so i did it on replay
He has the best song in the game so it didn't take much convincing to replay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxzhrmknPCg

>>715746265
They wanted to sell the scene and show off that she's as much of a masochist as Jiequan.

>>715733647
That was a cut scene meant to be before the ingame scene, where her legs are also blown up. Idk where you even came to that conclusion, theyve said themselves there was tons of cut content

>>715746754
Really everygame should just have perma death just saying

>>715723432 (OP)
No

>>715746801
Her entire legs literally mutated and bursted, in the final game Yi just amputated them from the knees. She probably died for real in the original so mind control was merciful in comparison.
>>715746792
I read a fanfic with a similar scene to this, wonder if it was inspired by that

>>715723432 (OP)
Yes, to a point. Always choose life over death. Always choose hope over passive acceptance. It won't always go well, but you have to believe things can get better. I don't agree with Heng, it is giving up.

While it certainly comes around to choosing it as the correct mindset by the end, I appreciate that within the game's narrative, that passive spiritualist mindset IS called out on its shortcomings as well in the conversations with Lear and also in Heng feeling the same regret for her choice in the end and dying questioning her decision. That said it's kind of hard to ignore just how misguided Eigong was in her pursuit of progress, so the balance remains against that

>>715747184
This looks pretty exploded and past the knees

>>715746801
There is a cut animation where she just dies, so that was probably the original idea, wondering what was the deal with the bell though.

>>715746342
Yi...

>>715747543
Weird they even went the route they did. Since her sprite disappears after leaving and only reappears in the final true end scene

Fighting eigong right now and I gotta say I REALLY hate the rock-paper-scissors between her talisman red attack and her super fast smash red attack. If you try to unbound counter the talisman you're stuck in place and won't be able to dodge in time, but her smash red attack is so fast that if I wait to see which one she's doing I won't have time to counter the smash. Reee

>>715747138
now draw her fucking her tumor filled dead bro

>Best girl gets the worst fate
Games for this feel?

>>715747368
>heng’s messages were her desperate attempts to make a change before dying
it all worked out but damn

>>715747923
Nine sols

>>715747368
Balance between ruthless progress and passive spiritualism. Almost like, yin and yang. Hmm.

>>715723432 (OP)
Revenge against the unjust justifies all.
That being said, Yi should've sudoku'd right after ensuring safety for humans.

>>715747923
I like the ideas of goumang being found by either fat fuck or the kid and being brought back to the pavilion. Her being a disciple under eigong was a nice aspect that i personally don't think got covered enough.

In general I found the games weakest point was how weak some of the characters in the pavilion were. As much as I like shennong, him alongside chiyou and shanghai 9000 had dialogue that I can't for the life of me even remember. Goumang wouldve been a nice addition solely for being a soul and her tough connection with yi. Not even any gooner shit, her and eigong felt underdeveloped, eigong especially.

>>715735954
Does shuanshuan die?

>>715748404
To be fair most of the solarians on penglai when eigong was doing her experiments had accepted a life of peace and gave up a majority of technology from the wars prior.

>>715747893
>he's trying to unbouded counter the talisman
you're supposed to use tai-chi kick/skull kick

>>715740894
Sometimes you just need to let a good thing stay good instead of sequelizing and prequelizing and spinoffing and otherwise raping it until it's an empty lifeless husk. Far too many people don't understand that creativity and vision aren't boundless resources.

>>715749258
No you retard. If I tai-chi kick I'll end up trying to tai-chi kick the red jump smash. The entire point is that I can't read which one to use fast enough

>>715749305
They could finesse a sequel but honestly I would prefer another metroidvania with good anthro designs, obviously separate from the NS universe

>>715749345
well that's unironically a skill issue because i beat her without unbounded countering at all, but if it helps, the two attacks are distinguishable before the point where she charges forward/leans back although i also beat her without knowing that, so its not like that's essential information either. eigon is one of my favorite fights in any game because there really is nothing you can do except git gud.

>>715749586
Oh yeah I can just avoid all unbound counters but I have extreme autism so I wanna beat her by parrying as much as possible. Also it's fun learning to get the fight near-perfect and beating her as fast as possible with all the internal damage jades, rather than just trying to constantly dodge and parry normally and trying to eke out damage here and there as an endurance fight.

>unironically a skill issue
I know, I know, it's just the one skill issue I'm being particularly frustrated with.
>leans back/forward
I'll try to pay more attention then.

>>715748728
>goumang accepting her species is cooked and it was all eigong’s fault
>sacrifices herself to protect the apemen as her final act
Could’ve been kino

>>715742184
Chien can apparently see due to her going through transmutation, as per the artbook.

so did goumang... you know... with her apemen slaves?

>>715747543
there's another deleted animation where she...

>>715747184
>I read a fanfic with a similar scene to this, wonder if it was inspired by that
Exactly what I was thinking. Had to do a double take when I saw the image.

>>715749948
I don't, but there are people who do, despite her calling them her kids.

>>715749948
Yes. Her making fun of Yi for mingling with the Apemen was 100% projection.

>>715749812
That's what I'm talking about. Instead we get the shanghai and chiyou saying nothing of importance till the end (shanghai) or reciting some poem and wanting to kill his brother (chiyou).

Shennong is better but it was mostly drunk camaraderie. Pavilion just needed another fucked up solarian for yi and shaunshaun to bounce off of, even kaufu isn't this despite his racism.

>>715750409
I completely missed both of their quests endings my first play thru because of how anti climatic they ended up being. You need to go out of your way to find them and if you return to the pavilion first they’re locked out, and even then you just get a reskinned mutant and a mini boss.

>>715729018
all of the other posters are wrong
The original version of the game had Yi as a much more vicious person towards the Sols, because the Chinese are mentally ill and it makes sense to them that Yi would kill all of the Sols as horribly as possible (they are all fighting the Tao which is more than enough justification for basically anything bad that happens to them)
Yi not brutalizing all of his opponents was the result of a rewrite to make the game more morally grey in a deliberate attempt to appeal to Westerners
Goumang is just a holdover from that version of the story, it was likely too complete to just get rid of given that they're an indie studio
>tldr
chinks being cruel soulless animals is baked into their DNA and their culture

so, what actually was fuxi's sol seal? both justice and integrity are mentioned in exactly one place.

>>715749948
Yes

https://e621.net/posts/5309681?q=parent%3A5309681

>>715751018
I was so whelmed seeing the ending stuff of Shanghai. all the build up with the logs and, if you read it, the chien manga, just for a reskin that kills the bot and you just one shot with no satisfying closure.

>>715749567
And call it Seven Lunas.

>>715751352
I'd say it's better the way it is. Gave me vibes that both sides are equally wrong and right.

>>715751364
I think his was justice and nuwa was integrity

>>715751364
>>715753003
Fuxi was the Sol of Integrity, Nuwa was the Sol of Selflessness

>>715753003
nuwa was selflessness. the council tenet board says fuxi's seal was justice, but his sol seal item itself in the inventory says it's integrity.

Ever since it's been revealed she just has wing sleeves, I've loved Goumang more because now I can hold her hand

>>715753805
Goumom

>>715753805
>Rise up from poverty to gain your teachers respect just to get cucked by the new kid coming from a seemingly loving family
I'd be mad too

>>715753120
>partners
What did they mean by this?

>>715754659
canon incest

>>715748815
Everyone dies eventually

>>715754659
Married

>>715754659
It's more common than you think

>>715746409
and?

>>715754845
Ji probably wouldn't be shocked, I bet he's seen a bunch of incestual marriages in the past.

>>715749586
>>715749803
I have now solved my skill issue and I'm barely dying to her talisman attack anymore, both in phase one and phase two
My skill issue now is just fucking up parries at some point for no reason and then losing all my health instantly. Also the phase two combo attack where she does talisman, upwards slashes and then down red attack is brutal

>>715751352
That's fascinating. Do you have any info on what the other deaths used to be like?

>>715754797
Her headware is so ugly that her beauty is even more radiant when she takes it off

So are Ji's normal eyes blind, and can he only see with his hat? or what?

>>715755275
I like her Dr. Seuss looking bonnet thing though

>>715755435
I thought the hat eye would get explained but nope.

>>715754845
damn right

>>715755232
There wasn't any, it was from a translated Taiwanese interview with a developer. It was just that the original plan for the game was a much edgier and crueler Yi that got rewritten to be more grey and sympathetic because Westerners don't like edgy and cruel protagonists.
The interview is hard as fuck to find, so you'll just have to take this with a grain of salt.

>>715755435
>>715755552
I figured it was simply symbolic of the "Third Eye" in various mystic traditions.

>>715755435
probably. he keeps his eyes closed 90% of the time, even when fighting you.

>final boss is a woman
Faggot game.

>>715755638
That's the natural conclusion but what makes me doubt is the way his normal eyes are full white.
>>715755732
That's a good point

>>715754797
is that fanart just assuming her ears follow the full length of her hat or is it confirmed somewhere

>>715755638
I assumed it was from the same reason he sees the future, whatever that may be. The fusang probably just picked a solarian at random.

>>715755625
I would have loved seeing autism cat go full unhinged on the sols' asses while maintaing that soulless stare of his.

>>715755732
I assumed they were just doing the Japanese trope thing

>>715754845
>Yi shooting the arrow nuke knowing his cute little sister-wife is waiting for him in the after life

>>715756029

>>715756029
Someone told me there is no afterlife according to the Taoism and all the dead people are dead for real and nobody's hanging out in heaven, implying that the Heng bit at the end was like a symbolic hallucination or someshit. But then I'm not sure why Heng would insist she'll be waiting to reunite with him unless she's so deranged she thinks both her and him returning to the primordial sludge and becoming a part of le universe counts, in which case I'd be legitimately angry at how retarded whoever thought of that is.

>>715756310
Just Google it. Taoism just has a lot of interpretations, a majority do have a sort of afterlife or eternal life in the beyond.

>>715755772
That seems to be the assumption, but the artbook later confirmed this

>>715756310
I don't know. I don't know shit about Taoism. I just like cute sibling couples.

>>715756482
I'll choose to believe you because wasting my time doing research on an irrelevant bugman religion for a chance to ruin my enjoyment of the game's ending is not a good use of my time.

>>715751489
>still no sequel
HURRY UP

>>715756542
forgot the goddamn image, but also the end cutscene for their bossfight shows that Fuxi's ears do go upwards into his headdress.

>>715756310
>>715756482
>>715756619
Retards have you even played the game? Lear literally continues existing for a while in the Tao. Or in the Fusang or something I dunno. But basically he died but he still has an afterlife.

And then after a while he finally disappears entirely, so it's not an eternal afterlife. But it does exist.

>>715756626
Idk I think taoism (or daoism) is pretty cool to read up on. I like the general concept of just living a simple life free of sinful desires and not being a coon to other people, its a very much "good in concept" way to live that obviously died out because humans are in fact stupid assholes.

>>715756619
agreed, but one does not have to know to go with the flow

>>715756756
>So it's not an eternal afterlife
I mean Heng died like 500 years ago would she still be there waiting for Yi?

>>715756756
It's still pretty vague what "going to the greater tao" actually is, all we see is just him leaving. Could be you just become energy in the tao or you do keep some of you with you like memories/personality, it's about as much up for interpretation as actual taoism afterlife.

>>715756661
Big ol ears…

>>715756906
Again did you see the Lear cutscene? Lear died literally thousands of years ago and still met Yi. And at the same time Yi also met young Lear so it's clear that time in the Tao doesn't work the same way as it does in the real world.

>>715756960
Yeah fair, but it does seem to carry a heavy note of finality, as in that's actually goodbye once he leaves.

>>715757126
Well yeah, you can't really talk to anyone from the afterlife unless you are blessed like heng and we know even less about how that shit works

>>715756775
>Just be a proper social animal like you're supposed to
Wow, what a profound message. Wouldn't have figured that out myself in 500 years.

>>715757537
Tell that to most of humanity right now

>>715723432 (OP)
>dooming humanity to being cattle to save solarians
From their perspective sure, but even the bad ending mostly implies they were fucking doomed no matter what so he's just killing two races.
Him realizing this and blowing up the island to save at least one of them makes total sense.
>roaring rampage of revenge
Only because Eigong misled him and half the Sol's turned into pieces of shit (or an outright mutant) anyways.
>disowning Heng
Hell nah. No matter how retardedly submissive she was, Yi could've definitely handled that part better.

>>715756756
>Retards
Fuck you, cunt, don't be mean.
Lear also exists as his own young self within that same space which where you learn martial arts tricks from and somehow where he learns them too, because it's him transcending time to observe and learn from you while you are doing the same exact thing to him. Taoism don't give a fuck about time and space.

What was your reaction to this scene?

>>715757635
Don't care about most of humanity. I'm talking about why I have no desire to look into it, and I matter to me more than most. More than anyone, in fact.

>>715757934
That's fine, I wasnt telling you to. It's just interesting seeing china have an actual sensible and pleasant religion/philosophy at some point in history, I assumed they were just the stereotype we think of them for most of their existence.

>>715757802
I mean, his sister was literally telling him she would rather kill herself over superstition than believe a cure can be possible and that she thought he should kill himself too.

>>715757802
They were both insane here but he was meaner to his cute sister so death.

>>715757126
Can Yi meet his younger self

>>715758161
That's not what she was Literally telling him

>>715723432 (OP)
All I know is that
BURG

>>715758108
The reason I replied in a vitriolic manner is because what you described to me is essentially standard behavior for our species. Maintain a tribe, keep it going, don't disrupt it. We're supposed to understand this on an instinctual level. But due to a number of freak accidents AKA scientific breakthroughs we've entered an era that in no way synergizes with our monkey brains. We are assaulted with more information than we can handle and yet we're not given enough information to form a full picture. Our lives are getting padded with faux-civilization luxuries in exchange for us becoming drones engaging in soulless repetetive unfulfilling cog-in-the-machine activities that make us go duller than zoo animals. We're in the hell of our own making and current year midwits are under a foolish impression that they are above their nature and instincts while they have nowhere near enough intelligence for it to be actually true. As such, collectively, humans distrust their instincts, which is essentially generational knowledge that makes crucial decision-making more efficient, but aren't actually able to replace them with something rational and consistent.
Hilariously enough, one could draw parallels to this game, too. A bunch of barely above midwit scientists thinking they're the gods of all universal laws that are unable to so much as entertain the idea that they may just be dumb cats that are slightly more autistic than usual and do not, in fact, know everything there is to be known.

>>715729018
Because it was HOT

>>715757802
I sided with Yi. I can understand Heng's feelings, but I did get similiar vibes with how some Christians look at real life tragedies and think it's a sign of the rapture coming. Also even if New Kulun was a scam, Yi was right to find a cure as the alternative was for his species to be all dead.

>>715729018
this was the moment I asked myself "am I the bad guy?"

>This is it. The last stop. They could still play it off; blame it on the alcohol and go to bed alone and at least try to reclaim a little of what they had before. But this… the next step was over a cliff, no lifeline in sight.

His mouth feels terribly dry. “Heng, I… I want this.” Not that he even really knew what ‘this’ was. What it—what they were going to be. It made him feel a little sick, guts twisted up and stained with his shame; all of this is wrong, it’s degenerate, it’s deviant—at least, it should be, but… nothing has ever felt more right. He swallows hard before he can ask:

“Do you?”

The pause between breaths feels like a small eternity. Somewhere in the months she spends waiting to inhale, she finds it in herself to look back at him. She’s almost a little surprised when she does; the last thing she expected was to see her brother… afraid. Fear and love and shame and burning desire in his eyes, all crystallizing into something sharp and brittle. Being vulnerable was never his strong suit, but he split open his chest and put his heart in her hands.

“Stupid Yi…” Her voice sounds small even to her own ears, tears pearl in the corners of her eyes. Damn him for taking all the risk unto himself, leaving none for her. Not again, never again. Her hands lift between them, one on his shoulder, the other cupping his cheek.

“Of course I do.”

>>715758635
Nah you aren't wrong. It's about the same as the situation of solarians on penglai.

It's the same reason taoism died off. There was a golden era where it was the main religion in China but it died off when Confucianism gained popularity and once that started, the golden era ended as well, with taoism being banned after communism took over. Then it just got worse and worse till we got to the point we are that you described and we are too far gone to even go back. We wouldn't be able to cope without the conveniences we've created that have actually weakened us as a society, we can't live without them anymore. Shit sucks and we are essentially our own worst enemy.

>>715758981
Does Taoism forbid or allow incest?

>>715758635
I feel like we’re going to unleash the tianhuo in real life desu

>>715759984
We need super covid

>>715759721
yes

>>715723432 (OP)
he went too far in a few places

Heng

>>715760970
>legs aren't mutilated
not canon.

>>715761098
Why didn’t Yi protect her smile?

>>715758635
The world needed someone with Heng’s heart but Yi’s drive to save it.

>>715761471
>We need a person with a heart of gold that can push past the corrupt higher ups of our society
Anon I'ma be real I think we are cooked because that isn't happening. Anyone who ever tries gets silenced.

>>715735445
Unrequited love.

>>715759317
What are the differences between taoism and confucianism anyway

>>715762695

>>715762695
Confucianism is basically a ruleset for being a decent member of society
Taoism is closer to a religion
Legalism is proto-communism

>>715762695
Think of taoism as harmony with nature and Confucianism is harmony with society.

Taoism is all about living simple humble lives, with little care for material needs and going with the flow while living and working alongside nature, and letting others do the same. A lot of taoists live like hermits, content with what they have.

Confucianism is more about coming together as a society to improve our well-being. It pushes for the importance of social roles, respect for elders and tradition, and cultivating virtue through education, discipline, and proper conduct. Everyone has their role in society that if done well improves integrity and a sense of moral responsibility.

>>715763095
the funny thing is the ccp tried to snuff confucianism until they figured it was actually beneficial to their cause.

>>715763830
Retarded as shit they would try to snuff out what is essentially "work with society" while we live in a society.

I do prefer the idea of taoism over Confucianism but it sucks taoism isn't sustainable. I don't think we are capable of just being "fine" with the minimum nature gives us. Just look at ai, we can't help but try to dial it up to 10. Probably goes for any high functioning intellectual society.

>>715759317
>with taoism being banned after communism took over.
A philosophy that promotes the act of being in sync with your nature being persecuted by an ideology that aggressively stands against your nature. I can scarcely think of something so poetic and realistic in equal measure.

I think we could totally RETVRN if push came to shove, but I don't think we realistically will for a very long time, collectively-speaking. The cattle is misled, confused, and disoriented. It will need nothing short of a cataclysm to keep it awake.
>>715761471
>>715761883
Unfortunately, a benevolent dictator is about as realistic as communism on a state-wide scale. You need a certain ruthlessness to usurp and maintain power in this world, and it rarely comes in the same package as compassion. And even if you do get a person like that, and one who has the resourcefulness to actually lead well no less, that individual will simply not be able to subvert the established order, because there are more of them and strangth in numbers is a cornerstone of our existence.

>>715758981
Well written.

>>715763979
NTA but the desire for strife/conflict in some form is also an inescapable part of our nature. It can work in a "simple" environment, because mere survival (hunting, foraging, building shelter, etc) in itself is a form of strife. It's basically the point that Unabomber was trying to make - we should go back to primitivism because the Industrial Revolution removed conflict from our lives and replaced it with unfulfilling busywork.
It's just kind of an unfortunate fact of reality that we're too smart for our own good, and inevitably come up with some method of optimization that reduces the amount of conflict in our lives and makes us seek it out elsewhere. As an arrogantly self-proclaimed clever cunt, I am convinced that excessively high intelligence is a mental illness. At some point it starts interfering with your survival instead of benefitting it.

>>715763979
China was all in their revolution which basically meant scrapping anything tied to the past in the name of progress.

>>715746792

>>715747138
>UHM, IN FICTION, GUYZE
The Man is like everything everyone has ever said about Baalbuddy times 3 + porn + gay.

>>715764531
Plus, in 99% of feasible scenarios, all prevailing over "strength in numbers" would do is just kill a detrimentally high amount of people, and leave the survivors either resentful or terrified of your power, which would make getting them to trust you lead them nearly impossible.

As you said, it's not totally out of the cards for us to get our shit together, but it would take a galaxy-brain shake up to even get started.

>>715765171
It's crazy how true us being smart is so detrimental in the long run. It makes us create systems like the concept of society that is meant to give us order and structure, but honestly led to prejudice for not complying to it or trying to live outside it. It led to us viewing those we think are different, or even just living outside our preconceived views of society, as inferior which led to so many fucked up wars.

It's very telling when the people I see that tend to be the happiest are people just living outside the bounds of our society. Hermits deciding to start living off nature and people just doing their own shit instead of what's expected of them looking far happier than those conforming to society because it's expected of them, whether by parents or people they look up to.

>>715766560
On the flip side, willfully choosing to be inactive and content backfired for Lear and Heng since they both regretted not doing anything before it was too late.

>>715766560
Society is just a result of us being social animals, rather than intelligent. And to be honest with you, a lack of overt prejudice to those different than us is a great example of the exact kind of thing I mean with pseudo-civilized ideology that defies nature. Prejudice is an instinct. This instinct tells you that the guy whose skin looks like coal is not from the same region as you. Not the same tribe. He's not looking out for your interests, he's looking out for his.
The problem is not society fundamentally, but the current model of society. It promotes mindsets that are neither natural nor consistent, and are therefore unsustainable in any reasonable scenario.
In this context, living outside of society is a necessary evil rather than a good way of living for a social animal, because the society became self-destructive and against its own best interests.

>>715766752
It's just hard to try and fight it. Once your race is so deep in the society sauce, the only way to change anything is to do it from within, because everyone is already indoctrinated into it and views anything else as incorrect. You would need to get a massive following outside of it to do otherwise and that is nearly impossible.

Also, nine sols world is lot different. Lear got what he accomplished because he was a master of fusang And just upright went straight to their base of opperations and killed the other parties leader himself. That sorta stuff doesn't happen IRL. I do think he was a little silly to just bounce after like there wouldn't be solarians angry with the sudden change, but he was also tired as shit from all of it. Heng on the other hand really didn't try that much, probably a big influence from all the stuff she heard from the roots. I think what you did was awful but she didn't really put him in a good position.

>>715767454
Yeah, that's def a better explanation of it. I don't really blame people for trying to live outside it, fixing the type of society we've made is just too much for single individuals. It has to be a bigger group that is tired of the social norms we put up on ourselves, and even then if they do make any changes, those changes could also be subject to their own biased views and prejudices either as a collective or the views of the one at top.

>>715767454
You're right, we need to live off of instinct alone and never try to be any better than mindless animals because then you'd never see a nigger in your life again.

>>715767895
Ye, we're pretty much fucked. My method of dealing with the situation was also to check out of society.
>>715768053
And here we have a very good example of a midwit raging against the natural order. I have bad news for you, lad. You are not above your nature, you are against it.

>>715767572
I like how Lear and Heng are so similar since Yi and Lear's mom are also alike. Both of them were scientists who got played and were willing to pay the price to spare their people from further suffering (blowing up the haotian sphere/destroying fusang)

>>715768631
But Liwen parallels Heng by being really pretty and is my wife

>>715768631
Do those glasses even help?

Just read the Lear manga. What the FUCK does it have to do with Lear in the game?

>>715768919
Yes, they make her cuter.

>>715769038
Explains why he was willing to go fucking nuclear on the Jie kingdom.

>>715769038
It explains that he was fucking stupid as a kid.
>Erm Mr dictator sir please could you stop being an evil dictator and not use the telescope for evil
Bro your parents warned you lil nigga

>>715769284
Why did his parents even let their son hang out with a fucking warlord

>>715769682
Would not be surprised if he legit just forced them to let the kid hang with him

>>715757802
An overreaction on Yi's part, but I sided more with him on wanting to fight for a cure.

>>715770204
I don't know if she should be more afraid of her son hanging out with Jietong or Ji

>>715723798
For me it was the inverse. Got it on summer sale, and after struggling a bit I loved it and beat in like two days.

>>715735756
Batter somehow purifies the Solarians of the virus by beating them up with his bat. Probably because his nature and personal views are antithesis to Taoism.

I wonder how Yi would feel about the descendants of Shaunshaun and them technically being the successors of solarian culture and religion (The Chinese) if he was able to look at the future.

>>715771193
Cutest couple

>>715729018
it's just good old contrapasso, although all of the Sols should have had ironic punishments to really seal the deal

>>715773883
Kaufu dies from choking on boba

>>715754129
Not that wings would prevent you to do so
It would just be a bit impractical

>>715776362
>everytime you rematch goumang she’s snacking on something different

>>715775713
kek, now that would have been funny for an evil route

>>715768834
What do you think they did with her body after her execution? Asking for a friend.

What if Goumang didn't go commando?

>>715777751
Yi would smell less fish.

PWNED

>>715777813
Maybe Yi should stop lusting after underage human boys then

>>715778179
I wish Chien and Gouy reunited…

>>715723432 (OP)
>taiwanese using mainland pinyin to name their characters instead of their original ching chong names.

WTF? They ruined chinese reputation globally and now try not to take the responsiblity and blame it to communist China, kek.

What are your hopes and dreams for a possible sequel/dlc?
>the explosion of New Kunlun was large enough to attract the attention of a number of intelligent and space faring alien civilizations, leading them to send scouts to investigate it
>anubian dog species that's based on ancient Egypt
>viking wolves
>the humanoid beast alien civilizations were all based on the Fusang and how it granted them intelligence just like the Fusang did with the Solarians (and each of them interpreted the Fusang differently, possibly in different forms too)
>ShuanShuan, who has grown up a few years by this point, has to deal with the pale blue planet being one of the staging grounds for these new alien civilizations
>the culture that the aliens brought eventually becomes the culture that humanity adopts over time

>>715778813
going full god of war huh

>>715778813
I'm still waiting for the sex update

>>715756775
If what Heng said about the Roots and Lear appearing in the future to teach Yi (who appears in the past to teach Lear?) it would seem that souls do exists in a kind of afterlife for a time before they return to the Roots and get reborn later. So the whole immortality thing would upend that entire cycle of life, death, and rebirth and make the solarians spiritually stagnant.

>Chiensong DLC won't happen
It's a terrible feeling.

>>715758518

>>715781186
I dunno man, I'm not sure I'd enjoy seeing her suffer anymore than what we already know

started this game yesterday und beat the first sol
does the level design get better down the line ?

I like the combat but level design feels kinda boring

Any chances for a new game? Any word from the devs?