It cant just be me who notices a majority of artists employed in gaming companies dont know how to draw properly, especially human proportions and faces.

>>715766087 (OP)
>(part 1)
>remaining parts are in separate posts
why

>>715766087 (OP)
Yeah I know we just had this thread GET NEW MATERIAL

>>715766087 (OP)
real women's bodies don't look like that

>>715766517
Women aren't real.

why are you posting the same thread from a day ago again?

I meant to ask in the other thread: why are most artists mentally ill? They only congregate on places like twitter or instagram. They will delete their past works or shun people who save their work. They will go off the deep end and demand people accomodate their personal issues or political stances.

It cant just be me who notices a majority of western artists employed in gaming companies dont know how to draw properly, especially human proportions and faces.

>draw the rest of the fucking owl

>>715766875
There are bots on this board that repost older posts including OP posts

/co/ but still related.

>>715766517
Good thing it's a drawing

>>715766087 (OP)
Yes, anime gremlins are terrifying.

>>715766087 (OP)
>how to draw lordosis

>>715766087 (OP)
Did you repeat the same thread?

you guys got anymore of these how 2 draw images? I like them a lot

>>715766087 (OP)
>>715767236
It's weird just how sharply art styles in the West took a nose dive. It wasn't the best, but still decent enough to look at even 10 years ago. Nowadays it's just intentionally made to look disgusting, backed with the Western thought process that their slop is somehow worth anything.

>>715767510
i got this one? but i'm sure you have it.

>>715766948
>artist's life is shit, copes by making art
>wants to use art to make life less shit instead of simply coping
>can't because to make money you have to appeal to normalfags instead of drawing what you want regardless of skill
>barely make money from appealing to normalfags, shit life barely improves
>stress from shit life and normalfags makes artist go kookoo for cocopuffs

I'll stick with drawing random videogame images. It can't be called art but it's fun.

>>715767752
the solution to this is not be a lazy nigger, get a job, and draw 4 fun

>>715767879
pearls before swine

>>715767879
its not that easy in eastern places. its probably what makes them sad in the first place

>>715767236
idk man i have no artistic skills so it's not my place to just what anyone draws.

>>715767045
Why though?
From seeing blatant bot replies on boards with IDs, I get that a lot of this site must be bots, but it just makes no sense why. This isn't pushing some retarded "agenda" or whatever.

>>715766996
The left (jews) hate beauty. They despise it.

>>715767250
A DRAWING OF WHAT?!

>>715766087 (OP)
oh damn, you just draw some ellipsis? thats so easy! Im going to be an artist!

>>715768406
out of a suddenly!

>>715768494
Grug think your art look good on cave wall.

>>715767531
leftists took over the education and pushed the ugliness

but i don't want to draw humans and human faces.

>>715768095
Artificially inflating board activity to make it seem more active than it actually is

>>715768821
draw your robots then

>>715766087 (OP)
>add fat to taste
>all over the pecs
that's not where the female breast fat starts you fucking patreon moron

>>715766996

>>715768494
That's how you get started with it. Draw ellipses and boxes until your hands go numb, shade those ellipses and boxes, draw them at weird angles, contort them, try and find something in real life and break them down into ellipses and boxes.

Yeah, no. You don't need to learn mass muscle to draw a fucking torso
>NOOOOOOOOOO YOU MUST STUDY EVERY SINGLE MUSCLE AND SING A SONG ABOUT THE 200+ BONES BY MEMORY OR ELSE I'LL UHHHHHHH...
Why are "pro" artists like this??
I've seen people make a living with their art by doing cartooney looking shit

>>715768357
Why is it conservatives passing censorship laws then?

>>715766087 (OP)
When i was 12 i would just draw hourglass women all the time for me to fap to. I had a whole sketch book of it, and then my friend found it during a sleepover and I was too ashamed to do it after that. Now I wish I still had the skill, might pick it back up

>>715769024
Gotta convince themselves that the tuition was worth it

>>715768095
Its super fucking cheap to set up and almost fully automated so they do it everywhere, all the time

>>715769094
Just make them a pip taller???

>>715769103
You could be really good at it by now.
Fuck your "friend".

>>715768494
do you think art is calculus II or something? to make complex forms you start with simple shapes. It just takes a lot of time and practice to get perspective, line quality, and the artists eye for how everything is pieced together, then you have rendering which is a whole other ballgame but something even degenerate furry artists can do a few weeks in of practice

realism is boring.

>>715766948
Creativity unironically requires a special mindset.

>>715769273
Why are you bodyshaming the women's choice of appearance?

>>715766948
Proko seems pretty cool

>>715769094
Texas is simply notoriously retarded.

>>715769094
Both political sides try to pass censorship laws

on the left its
>You can't say mean words or point out the truth

on the right its
>those cartoon girls can't look like children

>>715766996
it's the confluence of the techniques being lost due to disinterest and an outright hostility to the concept of beauty.

>>715767752
appealing to general audiences won't make you much money because everyone does that. the trick is to find a niche with high demand and low supply and appeal to them, you get a much better return that way and can get more money for less effort.

>>715768406
Of something that's better than women.

>>715769747
>appealing to general audiences won't make you much money
Let me present to you Thomas Kinkade.
or gacha jpegs, whever floats your boat

>>715768494
oops, almost forgot the most important part!

>>715769871
LMFAOOO

play it again


my johnny

>>715768494
>step 2
>draw the owl
A classic.

>>715769852
i mean, if you're REALLY, REALLY good you can still make money appealing to general audiences. but you can make mad money appealing to niche shit even if you're just OK. less talent is required because the supply is lower and demand is higher.

>>715769278
I can only blame myself for being ashamed, I should have just owned it. Anyway I'll regain my ability to draw big titty waifus if I work towards it

>>715769871
good post

>>715770038
Please do. OC is always welcome.

>/v/ starts talking about art

>>715770126
if that bothers you go to one of the multiple ai threads then?

>want to do art
>never have the mental energy to do it because I have to work two jobs just to keep a roof over my head
Death cannot come soon enough.

>>715770272
good artists always die poor for a reason

>>715766087 (OP)
Grok, prompt me that shit and prove that OP is a fag.

>>715770346
bad luck?

>>715766948
Why is anon mentally ill?
He only congregates on places like /v/ or /pol/.
He does this in the hopes his works will be deleted and will shun people who screencap his schizophrenia.
He will go off the deep end and demand the jannie accommodate his personal issues or political stances.

>why are most artists mentally ill?
I think it's just how artists have always been. And women. Though women don't give you much in return for accepting them.

>>715766087 (OP)
>majority of artists employed in gaming companies dont know how to draw properly
Retardbro...

>>715766087 (OP)
wTF

>>715766948
A lot of good artists have major impostor syndrome. They could make great art but then turn around and think its shit and it kills them. Like as they get better, they look back on old art and feel shame because they can see its flaws.

>>715772574
This.

>>715766087 (OP)
that's AI

>>715772574
i don't have that, i just burn out every 2 weeks

>>715767752
>turns hobby into jobby
>"waaah it sucks"
Boo fucking hoo, you're part of the problem why everything is monetised lately

>>715766948
because of how unhealthy, low income and mentally exhausting it is

>>715766996
proud victim of antinatalist propaganda detected

>>715766087 (OP)
its a result of triple AAA trying to cut costs as much as possible, why waste money making art as good as possible when a mediocre artist can get things done as half the cost? Good art, good textures, all that takes more work and more time.

>>715766087 (OP)
the fuck you need allat for
just draw the chick lol

>>715766948
Because being mentally ill makes you more detached from reality, and being detached from reality makes you more creative, they go hand and hand

>>715772628
>artists are on a perpetual upward grind
>artists flatline when they think they're hot shit and only improve after increasing their ability to notice equal to their drawing ability
>ability to notice flatlines but only when they begin to improve drawing
Haha, yeah, that's why some porn artists regress so hard their new work is their worst they've ever shared.

>>715766087 (OP)
Drawing seems easy as hell. Just skip all that scribbling stuff and go straight to "add color."

>>715766996

>>715768039
>I'm not a cook, I can't just if this taste like shit or not

>>715773785
Nice. Later this day I'll dust off my wacom and try to draw this.

>>715767236
To be fair he was talking to a high school

>>715773994
art is subjective unlike taste. I hate coconuts but people like them for some reason.

>>715768771
The education has been long poisoned by new age garbage

>>715774254
nigger you retarded

>>715766948
Confirmation bias
The ones not mentally ill won’t make a stink about art

>>715774254
>subjective
Hardly, otherwise museums would be empty. It's just pretentious faggots like to hype some tasteless shit and call it art, to feel superior. Basically Emperor's New Clothes

>>715766087 (OP)
Why did you post this again

>>715774254
>art is subjective unlike taste
It really isn't. Majority of people have very similiar feelings over art, those macaroni drawings in a museum are a joke, and every knows it.

Hundreds of "how to draw" books for free:

https://e-hentai.org/?f_search=draw%2C+language:english&f_cats=767

Although its on Ehentai, there are landscape books as well, etc.

>>715774365

>>715770272
Don't wait until you have mental energy, you never will. Speaking from experience. Just do it.

surprised no one has posted their art this thread.

>>715774472

>>715774254
The art is subjective thing is widely misunderstood
There are truth to beauty and design
Natural has proven this to be true. Otherwise there would be no flowers, all fruits would look the same, and there would be no such thing as a peacock.
The subjectivity of art isn’t that someone else could think what you think is ugly is beautiful
It’s that context can change someone’s opinion on a piece of art
A drawing made from a child for a parent becomes precious regardless of the skill put in
A drawing made from ai becomes nothing when you know it was made by ai

And then there’s everything in between that

>>715774653
bbbased

>>715774472
Yeah but what are the good ones?

>>715768494
With AI, drawing a few circles and colored blobs is literally all you need to get the image you want.

>>715768494
Stop drawing flat

>>715774708
Sounds fun

>>715774472
I'm fine with #3, it reminds me of Batman cartoon.

>>715774727
I can't mentally process making 3d drawings. it's beyond my understanding

>>715774605
here is mine

artists don't want you to know this, but your art skill is almost entirely based on latent talent, if you lack it then it'll take you several years to get the same level of improvement that an actually talented artist gets in a couple weeks

they just want to convince you otherwise to make the fact that they were handed their art skills on a silver platter seem impressive

>>715774805
Learn perspective
Like the actual logic

>>715774815
Even if you have talent you need to work hard so its worthless getting hung up on it

>>715774825
nta, but can you give a good starting point for doing that?

>>715774815
i can't draw but i know this isn't true. i'm lazy and the fear of no tangible improvements haunts me.

>>715766087 (OP)
It is fucking baffling how ugly shit in western games is when they are selling cosmetics.

>>715774887
Draw a box (the first two lessons are really all you need)
Framed Perspective
Space Drawing

>>715766087 (OP)
>Americans literally can’t even draw a lazy how-to-draw image without plastering their tacky patreon link all over it
Genuinely disgusting behavior.

>>715769569
>leftards attacking the concept of free speech and truth itself
>rightoids attacking content that sexualizes children
le both sides are equally bad!!

>>715774948
dánke anon.

>>715774810
this thread was a goldmine holy shit post more of his art

>>715774953
It's spreading. Jap artists are now plastering massive "DO NOT REPOST" and "DO NOT USE TO TRAIN AI" watermarks all over their art, to the point where it visually obstructs the actual image

>>715767752
Art isn't a job. Anything created for profit isn't art.
Art is an expression of the artist. AI art will always be more expressive than anything made only for money.

>>715775269
the fools it will only encourage watermark removals thus ruining their tactics

>>715775274
t.

>>715775274
you ai niggers really are the worst thing on the internet. at first i liked the idea of ai since it could be a very useful tool in many fields including gaming and art i admit. HOWEVER with ai falling into the hands of pajeets just proved how much of a curse it has been as much as a blessing. you pajeets spam your ai crap all over the internet all just to make as much money as possible no matter what. you niggers are further proving dead internet theory, or in this case brown internet theory. oh yeah and thanks for shitting up the porn sites with your ai shitslop fucking faggots. i hope someone forces india to create a firewall to imprison pajeets in their own filth. fucking faggot

I couldn't finish this one it time yesterday because paint is ass but this trick actually works well

>>715775274
>Anything created for profit isn't art.
subhuman spotted

>>715775274
>AI art will always be more expressive than anything made only for money.

>>715775538

>>715774365
I remember when this was first posted it has been fucking years.

>>715774865
yeah, but there's a difference between
>i work hard for a few months and I get considerable tangible improvement
and
>i work hard for a few months and my art still looks like abysmal dogshit with barely any improvement

if you don't have talent, you'll end up in the second group.

>>715775850
I was the second until I kept going and became the first. Took a long time, worth it.

>>715775850
If it takes you longer to get good, then it takes longer. Accept it and keep going.

>>715775850
>if you don't have talent, you'll end up in the second group.
And? Why is "ranking" so important to you? Are you in for the art or the clout?

>>715775538
it works!

physical or digital

>>715775932
do you enjoy spending time doing something, knowing the result will be garbage?
would you willingly cook a meal, sinking hours of work into it, knowing that it's guaranteed to end up being a burnt, soggy piece of shit that probably doesn't even qualify as edible?

the lazy love to blame it on muh talent

>>715775850
At some point you're going to plateau for a very long time, and while you might get praise it'll fall on deaf ears because you'll be eternally jealous of that one artist who's better than you in every way.

>>715775631
make yo arms longer and practice more on foreshortening that bent arm

>>715774254
Relativism is a profound sign of low IQ.

>>715776252
How do you judge something if you have no point of reference?

>>715776030
different person but sure? Yeah my skill level is nonexistent but I do find drawing random stuff I like fun and relaxing

>>715775958
i came

>>715776090
>trust me bro picasso and chris-chan have the exact same latent skill at art

>>715776030
Poor example, anon. Unless you deliberately make something terrible (like mixing minced pork, sugar, and vinegar by 1:1:1 ratio on purpose), you won't know the exact result. Taste, adjust.
That burnt, soggy piece of shit, will one day become just soggy, and one day, will neither be burnt nor soggy, and one day, will be perfectly cooked.
t. artist and cook

Once in my life I used to try to teach pajeets modelling. They are the worse than the jews with their prosopagnosia, this is why I think starfield had so many of those terrifying brown zomboids walkling around the cities. Its no surprise modern games cant get it right since they outsource the majority of that type of work to Poojeets

>>715770272
Just do drugs dummy

>>715776487
Its not hard to guess who actually put work in.
Its such a funny comparison if you know anything about the two people and their lives.
But you are too lazy to even look that up.

>>715774254
Technically subjective in the sense your brain can be made wrong but aesthetics is a sort of universal derivation

>>715776487
Anyone can make decent looking art. Talent only applies to the highest end of the rung, that really makes complaints like this retarded

>>715766087 (OP)
>no "POST IT" rat
>we already had this thread with the same OP recently
Uhhhhhh

>>715776634
Okay buddy, enjoy slaving away for decades to get the same level of skill that retarded teens on twitter got simply by existing.

>>715774365
I genuinely hate scalies.
They're autistic shits.
That anatomical change is itself retarded if you want to do things """right""" because of the 90 degree tail.

so how do you get better if you have no talent?

>>715776851
its easy to be lazy and make excuses so enjoy that useless life.

>>715776940
practice?

>>715776409
Pathos regardless

I think my artist's pretty great!

>>715766087 (OP)
I feel like I've barely improved at all

>>715776940
Same way as anyone else, it'll just take you 50x as long to get the same level of improvement that those with talent get.
Consider learning a different skill that you do have talent in.

>>715776797
>no "POST IT" rat
that's a good thing

>>715776940
The ability to grind is the real talent.

>>715776940
You... pick up a pencil
Like everyone does
The only talent anyone ever had is picking up that pencil

>>715776940
clearly you just kill yourself.
actual waste of space

>>715776993
but you did improve. i'm incapable of drawing anything original or anything that doesn't already exist.

>>715773785
My butt looks like that

>>715766087 (OP)
Step 1.Draw circles.
Step 2. Go draw the rest of the body.
That will be $5 a month on patreon.

>>715776960
And you too, enjoy your useless life where you spent your free time drawing circles alone like a madman, desperately chasing the dream that you just weren't born with the genetic talent for. At the end of the day, we both end up at the same level of unsatisfactory skill.

>>715766087 (OP)
>Add fat to taste

You don't have to tell me twice

>>715777105
spiteful lazy subhuman lmao
you're brown, arent you?

you are BEATEN my nigga magneto is supreme

>>715777087
That's a character who exists. This is what she looks like in game.

so how do you get better if you have no talent and no passion and no money and no life?

>>715777550
What drives you to stay alive?

>>715777550
Start moderating reddit.

>>715766087 (OP)
provide 5 examples

bot thread
we're falling for it

>>715769000
Bad advice, nice recurring digits.

Telling aspiring hopefuls to make gay ass boxes over and over kills any joy for drawing. They need to arrive at the idea of fundamentals by themselves, by trying things out and failing, repeatedly.

>>715777550
How do you not jump off a bridge at that point?

>>715777160
not even brown
but if being lazy or stupid are genetic to being brown, then why is artistic talent apparently the one thing that isn't genetic at all?

>>715775274
Nigger, 99% of sculptures and paintings you see in museums were done as commissions or some rich guy housing an artist in exchange for making shit for them.
To make most impressive art, you need skills, expensive materials and shitton of time, all of these require funding and complete focus on art itself which also isn't possible if you're doing other shit most of your waking day, as in having a job.
In fact, art got shittier and shittier because it's just not sponsored or profitable anymore so true professionals just don't develop because how are they supposed to when they have no time nor money to master their craft?

I always love AI faggots talking about art and having zero fucking clue about both art and its history, nor even developing any skill in the first place.

>>715778119
>In fact, art got shittier and shittier because it's just not sponsored or profitable anymore
I always wondered what the rich decided to fund instead, especially since it's never been cheaper to buy an artist. Maybe holidays in gold plated hotel rooms?
It's not like there's less wealth at the top these days.

>>715774213
Is that supposed to be an excuse? High schoolers are representative of industry-wide developments in the near future. He went to an art school where nobody could fucking draw, dude.

>>715778501
The rich simply invest on corporations. You won't get a return of investment by commissioning statues and paintings, but if you invest in movies and video games, there's a chance you could make a profit on those forms of art.

>>715778738
You make it sound like it's not commissioning art but sometimes collectively investing in something that might be art (but is getting shittier and shittier and hasn't been art for a decade now).

>start learning how to draw
>suddenly retard life shit happens that completely pulls me away from it
>this has happened multiple times, every fucking time i seriously sit my ass down to learn how to draw
>never happens any other time
im being trolled by some cosmic entity what the fuck

>>715778501
The rich fund their own hedonism which includes pedophiliac endeavors, drugs, sex trafficking, crappy or expensive food, vacations and materialistic trash.

>>715779081
Yes, cosmos likes to do that.
You either laugh with it or it laughs at you.

>>715778119
This. Anyone who knows jack shit about art history knows how expensive and painstaking painting used to be (mixing the materials yourself, buying and assembling the tools like canvases and brushes, apprenticeships spanning 10+ years, having to go to crowded illegal cadaver dissections you could hardly see to learn human anatomy, etc.) and how much of it were religious commissions (this makes up the vast majority of the ultra-famous Greco-Roman sculptures and Renaissance paintings btw), portraits of aristocrats, architectural and engineering blueprints, etc.
Art has always been a job. The romanticization of it as purely a creative pursuit you're meant to starve for only cropped up within the past century or so when the rich people using art as resume padding figured out they could use dogshit "modern art" pieces to launder money and is, interestingly, the exact moment art as a respected industry started to collapse. Sound familiar?
As always, then and now, any and all elements of human life that enrich the spirit MUST be subverted and destroyed by envious leeches lest you start getting any ideas of self-fulfillment that isn't contingent on consooming.

>>715776993
mspaintanon...

>>715779081
the universe fears your art

>>715766087 (OP)
Does anybody happen to have Brent Eviston's complete figure drawing course videos from skillshare?

>>715779576
i bet 200 dollars you dont really need it

>>715779704
I actually really do, though.

>>715766087 (OP)
he's fucking up right after step 1 lead to the godaweful anime bod
scrap that and start over until you get it right

>>715778031
you are brown

>>715776409
your organ that evolved over millenia:
your gut.

>>715767236
60s are truly a demonic decade.

>>715779576
just read the book

>>715781189
It won't finish downloading.

>>715779846
oh you mean this garbage?well i have it and its sitting on my hdd after i watched it and learned nothing from it

>figure drawing
>shows a random drawing instead of a gesture
anon....
anyway as stated you really dont.
you only need 3 things for gesture
>perspective
>cubes
>simplification(csi method found in every book ever)
but if you want to waste some more time looking for something you dont need i cant stop you

>>715766948
because not having a job and scribbling for cash makes you mentally ill

>>715766996
Disagreed.
The drafts for the characters prove that these people know how to draw and have a good sense of proportions.
Imho the issue is that the director is incompetent and uses bad motion capture actors. Or maybe the issue is that there are no good motion capture actors.
Also, there are way too many great comic book artists to think that there couldn't be someone who would do some character design for a videogame.
>picrel
This is something that comes from the fact that they use bitches with botched facial surgeries. The Witcher 4 Ciri is basically that.
I wouldn't agree that everyone wants a jawlet with a pignose, but these people can't even find a woman with a proper nose and jawline to mocap their protagonist, instead of these botox injection freaks.
/co/chads stay winning, I guess.

>>715781541
>oh you mean this garbage?
No i mean the gesture/figure drawing part where he draws hourglass shaped women.

>>715781808
It's not that they can't design good-looking characters, it's that they choose not to. They're more focused on the character representing the right ideals (e.g. woman, PoC, LGBT+) than being appealing in its design. A concept artist will draw a beautiful woman, it goes through management/HR and comes back as a grocery-store aunt, as the famous examples states

>>715769952
What's with fags like you policing 4chan out of everything else?

>>715782651
pointing out people spamming the catalogue is nothing new

>>715766087 (OP)
Thats the american ""art"" where they need to give a fat ass to all and any girl

>>715782651
They want to be trannitors and staff so badly even after their public doxxing and humiliation by wojak spamming trogs of all people. Notice how they only do it in specific threads like the real jannies do.

>>715768494
>>715769871
kek

Is there any point in learning to draw in 2025?
I need a new hobby, but calligraphy seems easier and more chill.

>>715783254
>Is there any point in learning to draw in 2025?
Not if you don't want to learn to draw? Yes if you want to learn?

>>715783254
yeah man drawing is pointless but calligraphy is extremely important.
this board gets dumbed by the day I swear to god.

>>715772873
How the fuck is this antinatalist

>>715783254

>>715783320
>>715783307
>>715783402
what I don't know what I want? HUH????

>>715766948
Because creativity requires a mind that does not seek stability.
Consider the conservative: someone that wants everything to stay the same, everyone to be the same, believe the same thing, do the same thing, and seeks to actively forbid any and all variation from what they consider to be the perfect form.
How much a given conservative thinks this way is of course a spectrum, just like the antithesis of this (the creative person, the pioneer, the person working on the forefront of what is known to try and plumb the depths of the unknown) is on a spectrum too.
Too much disorder, too much seeking out thoughts and forms and ideas that are unknown, and you get someone schizo.

>>715782574
>it goes through management/HR and comes back as a grocery-store aunt, as the famous examples states
You made me think.
What goes through HR are not the character design, but the people who do a bad character design.
Which made me think: HR hires the people who want the grocery store aunt as the protagonist, because those people are just a bunch of xir/xer roasties.
And they hire these xir/xer roasties because it's a diversity pick that will give them the investments from Blackrock, because Blackrock wants DEI hiring.
Hiring a good cishet white male artist wouldn't grant them any of those investments, so they don't do that.
There could be some truth to all of this, but I really don't see a lot of cases where the artist is to blame, but rather the mocap actor (who also got hired through HR).
All the games (and comic books) made by solely raging libs have good looking people.
Celeste has a good looking kid, Stardew Valley have good looking characters. Critical Role has good looking characters.
Big productions only have ugly women in them.
My bet is that everyone knows that sex sells, but the HR people will hire ugly people because that's what will give them investments, promotions and whatnot.

>>715766996
Im sure someone will have the diagram for it but it goes along the lines of;
>the more detail you add, the more "ugly" the drawing becomes
>if you draw a smiley face with simple details it looks cute, when you start adding the shape of the cheek bones, stubble, visible pores and wrinkles it starts to look "ugly". Now you start to make them look distinct so you give them a crooked nose and uneven teeth when they smile
>the west is obsessed with replicating realism, which is achieved by adding more detail, to the point where if you zoom out from it it is an indistinct mess. Characters are no longer memorable and are indistinct from eachother because they all have the same artistic style they are aiming for, which is realistic

gay thread. theres been like what, 4 drawings posted?

>>715783770
Well, because they didn't post the rat.

>>715783678
Have you never seen a Calarts show nigger? They look gross and they're about as simplistic as you can get.

>>715783770
Too busy crying about the west.

>>715766948
mental illness and artists go hand in hand
do yourself a favor and just appreciate the art for what it is without ever interacting with the person that created it

I think that social media algorithms were disaster for internet artists. If I would draw or paint as a hobby (and I actually do paint minis and scale models but don't publish outside my own private site), I wouldn't be visible at social media at all since algorithm have attention span of 2 years old child and will bury you right away. If you want to reach people, you therefore have to publish constantly and this turns your hobby into actual work. These people quit jobs and try to live off their art alone, which in turn puts them at mercy of said algorithm, which promotes certain popular themes so they also have to do social research and audience, which also contains very vocal and very radical minority from far left or right sides and "cancel culture" is very real.

"Consume 24/7" mindset kills the modern world.

>>715784154
>make more pronounced lips where it looks like a baboons ass sometimes
>give them a more detailed noses, sometimes they just look like pigs with their nostrils facing outwards
>give them wierd body shapes to make them look distinct, like making them have fat rolls and pudgy balloon shaped limbs
But it did add more detail. Also the issue is the style, cal arts style is the equivelent of corporate art in regards to art style in animation.

>>715783770
Without fail, when I post my art, it gets ignored.

Like, I'd prefer someone calling it shit vs ignoring it. And no, I'm not gonna post anything. It's all older stuff and I'm outta practice.

>>715785080
You have any cat/rat/foxgirls

>>715785080
what do you want people to say? do you ask for critique? are you posting a joke drawing? i often see drawings get ignored when someone just posts them without any comment.

>>715785051
You're being willfully blind if you think it's less simplified than the vast majority of anime, having to give them distinct body proportions and ugly facial features is caused by the highly simplified style, instead of playing with subtle differences like you can do in a more detailed style to differentiate between characters you have to exaggerate (which is why a lot of these shows use animals/aliens etc.)

>>715785080
that and no one wants to see beginner doodles. i rather horde my stuff t b h

>state that some people are better at sports than others because of genetics
>people agree

>state that some people are better at maths than others because of genetics
>people agree

>state that some people are better at art than others because of genetics
>people vehemently disagree

Why are people like this?

>>715785080
Draw popular characters people like if you really just want instant adoration. Dont let yourself get caught up in just trying to draw for others approval and to be liked, do it becuase you actually enjoy drawing.

>>715785414
It is less simplified, what youre complaining of is a style choice. Most anime faces dont even draw the nose, and the mouth is nothing more than a line.

>>715785372
A couple. I used to draw a decent bit of anthro.
>>715785408
I post in these sorta threads all the time. I don't usually add a comment, but sometimes I do, asking for thoughts and I get nothing. Radio silence.
>>715785583
I usually just draw what I feel. Sometimes it's an OC, other times some FOTM.

>>715778119
Most artist are leftoids, and have like 130$ on their bank accounts. Here is an experiment: ask an artist how much he makes with drawing and without fail they always get angry, and go on a rant about integrity, and how its not about the money.
It's AWLAYS about the money.
I remember a chick's video popping in my youtube feed how she's 30 something, single, living with parents, and cannot get an art job despite having a diploma. The funniest part is you just take one glance at her and you IMMEDIATELY know whats going on. Then she shows what she did and its like not bad, but holy fuck she overestimates herself. The more the video goes on, the more you realize one thing about people who bitch about AI and integrity, they have multiple common themes.
>poor as fuck
>thinking they are pro levels, while in reality they are just one league above novices
>absolutely no clue how to navigate in life, how to make money
>disattached from reality.
>disrespecting the most valuable thing in life: aka time.
Speaking of time: someone told her her art sucks and she talks about how she was at chipotle or some shit and she argued with the guy the whole day even on her phone when she was out.

>>715785930
And they draw the eyelashes, iris, lids of the eye, the fingernails, the drapery of the clothing, the highlights in the hair, the implied musculature... You're flat out wrong, and you can just look at older anime to find even more detailed examples where they'll also draw the lips and details of the nose, and you'll see that if anything it looks better than the modern style where they omit those details.

>>715785475
People would also disagree on maths.
Everyday world (high school level) math is simple as fuck shit that everyone could definitely learn. A person who can function in a modern society is definitely able to do all of it.

Sports is the real genetic lottery. How good your proportions are, how close to the ideal height you are, etc. that's all simple genetics.
Genuine, hard math is not advanced by people who are born with the right length of finger joints, it is always a random guy getting a random idea that happens to work on said problem. A giant, but perfectly equal gacha of shower thoughts, where some net you a Nobel prize.

Yes, there are people with genuine brain impairments that prevent them from doing math but that's just like saying a person with no arms will definitely be at a disadvantage. Perfectly true, absolutely irrelevant for the people making the "art needs proper genes" argument.

>>715786442
The mind is also genetic

>>715783770
Well it's a good piece, unfinieshed sadly but you were on a very good road actually.
Really nice attention to delicate female flesh, the thighs, pelvis and the pose overall. You could be pretty good if you continued developing

>>715778119
drawing and painting costs fuck all, it's not the middle ages anymore
but artists have been getting worse for decades because art schools have been pushing shit like this for the last 80 years

>>715786227
I think the problem with most leftist artists is that they want to do art as their job but they are not THAT interested in art. Most if not all working artists started by doing another job and doing art in their free time, but not just doing it, they eat breath and shit art, they would draw in notepads, they would take time in the day to just go and draw people, they would do this daily even if it was inconvenient, they didnt just go into the workforce looking for an art job and their portfolio is 10 drawings, of which 5 are unfinished, art was their obsession and it took them places.

You think you draw a lot, you dont draw as much as these people with art jobs draw. The most important thing in any art job is the ability to actually finished something, and output. You need to be able to mash out 10 drawings in 30 minutes and for them to at least be workable, taking 2 days on a profile drawing of a photo reference is not going to get you work. If youre working by commission you definately need to get another job, and thats the problem with leftists artists, if they want to work as an artists they consider it oppression that they arent getting paid simply for being available.

>>715766087 (OP)
Give it to me straight. If you are 27 and still draw like a 7 year old, can you actually learn how to draw? Will everything i do just be shit because I dont have natural talent for it?

>>715786720
some of history's best artists started in their mid 30s or even later. just saying

>>715786523
But the important bits are in the generic traits that all non-disfigured humans share like "has a peehole" "has a sense of balance" "has lungs" "can speak a language". And all of math and art can be done with those bits alone.

>>715786720
people don't just get better at drawing over time if they don't practice it
you have to practice constantly to get better
and no, drawing once a week or once a month is not constantly
you have to do it every day
and you have to actually practice, not just draw random circles and cubes, which a lot of people think counts as practice

>>715786720
When I tried to learn art at age 26, my drawing was worse than those done by 7 year olds.

>>715786156
>A couple
Postem

>>715767752
To make money you don't have to appeal to normies. It's weirdos who are into niche fetish stuff that donate $500 per month on your Patreon and commission you for much more. The only barrier is allowing yourself to explore your deepest fantasies to connect with those people. Often times it's the artist who is the biggest normie.

that's a terrible way to draw a torso.

>>715787079
This.
Ive learned that doing this technical shit always looks stiff as fuck. When drawing figure with large stroke always look better and more natural and realiatic.

Just draw

>>715766996
it's not that they don't know how to draw, they just don't know what makes a character design appealing.

>>715786912
>and you have to actually practice, not just draw random circles and cubes, which a lot of people think counts as practice
Then what is practice?

>>715787761
taking an idea and trying to turn it into a finished piece as best you possibly can. when you encounter something you don't know how to do, stop and figure it out.

rinse and repeat forever.

>>715774979
Like trying to deport green card holders for protesting Israel, illegally detaining US citizens and denying due process?

>>715766087 (OP)
>how to draw x
>step 1: start with 2 circles
>step 2: draw the rest
why are art tutorials like this?

>>715786379
Wait, what do you think Im arguing here, I never said more detail was bad I said that more detail was a western obsession and that simpler aesthetics make a design/syle look more appealling, and why you get female characters in asian games that look like dolls, and in western games they look like sculpted granite with visible pores and overly pronounced cheekbones.

Note how you posted 2 men, this is what the women look like in that movie. Note that with a more detailed nose and eyelids it looks decidedly less "attractive" compared to standard fare anime.

>>715785080
I've had the same experience but I've come to realize that sometimes there's just nothing to say about a drawing. Either the drawing has to be technically impressive, or have some sort of 'storytelling' for it to actually engage with people. I understand when I get no responses on my 'idle pose character in white void' beyond the occasional "nice" and there's nothing really wrong with that

I used to draw a lot in my teenage years but one day I just realized I was making uninspired shit and then stopped. Having picked up a pencil ever since. Is it over for me i fI want to pick it up again?

>>715768494
Aaaahahaha you malingering fucks who get pissed when people show you drafting, crack me up. ‘Oh wow, what is that, a guide on how to do something technical?’ *starts bashing crayon against rock* ‘SEE YOUR ADVICE DOESNT WORK, I STILL CANT DRAW. FUCK YOU!’

>>715766087 (OP)
this image is ai

the powerful devs of old knew how to do it
nu-devs are a lost cause

>>715789053
No, just think of something actually worth drawing. The idea and the passion for the idea is like 95% of the work

>>715786681
If you are not getting paid to do so, you might as well masturbate. Its the same concept. You draw something to make yourself feel good. Consistency is indeed the key. Posting here its the same exact shit, to get a reaction out of others. Who gives a fuck? A (You) will not pay your bills.

>>715786720
Follow this:
>I want to draw to make money
don't
>I want to draw for recreation
do it.

>>715766948
They are extremely narcissistic. They want to compete with others under the guise of being a colleague. And now with social (likes) as a measurement it became even worse.
Being a criticized of their work can break their ego and make it all fall apart. This may also include the mentality of "If my newest work is not enough everything before that is too." making them delete their page just to start over.
In theory it is just how females gas each other up but also compete with each other.
This is why i avoid posting my art on a social media page and just draw whatever or whenever i want without having expectations from others.

>>715776967
>>715777004
>>715777050
>just practice/draw
This vague """advice""" is terrible. I don't want to waste a shit ton of effort learning to draw incorrectly and end up being shit forever. What's the *correct* way to learn how to draw that guarantees that you'll be good in two or three years, like I see with so many artists and drawfags that make it?
I wish an intermediate artist would just say what they did in a bulleted list with an example their work to show they're not bullshitting.

>>715789694
>the *correct* way to learn how to draw that guarantees that you'll be good
If you actually believe that exists then you're retarded. Just pet the fucking dog Howie.

>>715784551
DO NOT BUY GHOST OF YOTEI CHUD
THE ENG DUB WAS VOICED BY AN ACTIVIST
*shits diapers*

>>715789694
Cool but if you don't draw you cannot even find correct way.
It's better to do something badly than not doing it at all. Don't stop even if you don't see results.
You are correct by saying that just drawing won't improve you past certain point, without reflecting on which part of your skillset is lacking.

>>715782651
>why can't I repost the same bait pic over and over??????

>>715788013
Okay, then I'm on the right track.

>>715789694
>What's the *correct* way to learn how to draw that guarantees that you'll be good in two or three years, like I see with so many artists and drawfags that make it?
Have talent. Duh. If you're in your 20s and everything you've ever drawn was shit, then realistically no practice is going to save you.

>>715778119
>art got shittier and shittier because it's just not sponsored or profitable anymore
I disagree, in the digital age we got so many great pieces of visual arts that we got desentitized to it. Illustrators, 3D modelers, renderers, graphic designers, animators etc, the only difference is that you won't find their works in museums, but on some social media account with like 1892 followers
While it's true that sculpting and architecture fell down with time, other fields of art have flourished so much it's unbelievable

>>715789694
its hard to give any sort of concrete answer but for me it was mostly just youtube videos + asking artists who draw the way I aspire to (just DM your favorite artist a question and they'll either respond or they wont, try not to ask anything that would take up too much of their time though). Art is not a single skill as much as it is many different skills you need to learn individually, then learn how to incorporate together
>>715789858
I understand where the question comes from though, I always felt like there was something basic I was missing for so long and it frustrated me to no end that I couldn't just grasp what everyone else seemed to be able to do so effortlessly

>>715776993
The only thing you should be feeling at all is shame.

>>715790238
Anyone can draw, it’s a matter of cutting the bullshit and understanding you can actually do it. Half you motherfuckers jokingly draw a stick figure just to prove you can’t do it. I completely accept not rising to the unnecessary challenge of learning to draw, but quit looking at your work like it’s your pitiable little ‘best I could do’ personal project. It is essentially supposed to look like the other drawings, the good ones, you need to know that or you’re going to keep flubbing your shit and saying it’s okay

>mfw I fucking love cross hatching

>>715790424
>Anyone can draw
Nonsense. You can tell from an early age who has talent and who doesn't.

>>715776993
You got worse

Guys, check this out!

>>715789694
If your brain is this scrambled, that you are like a lost kid in the mall, then just pay for a tutor or a class. At least one of the artists you like probably has a coloso class. You need to have a knack for this, drawing by your own volition and doing research online. The same when people gone to library 30+ years ago to find art books.
What matter is can you draw consistently up to the point where people contact you to draw something for them.

>>715766948
>They only congregate on places like twitter or instagram
Are you sure that's the case, and not that those sites are the only overlap between artists' hangouts and your hangouts?

>>715790460
I used to do it before i made art that had the potential to become digitalized with colour and sadly crosshatching and digital colours look off.

So uhh...I'd like a big titty waifu drawing with her wearing a FOTM outfit and doing the meme dance of yesteryear, plz.

>>715790460
You really like Attack on Titan then.

>>715766087 (OP)
>a majority of artists employed in gaming companies dont know how to draw properly
That's because they're nepobabbies, and they're academy trained.
Their being nepobabies implies a lack of talent, and their being academy trained implies a lack of technical foundations.
>how can academic training imply lack of skill
Because since only rich kids go to art school, it's in the academies best interest to be just diploma mills.
Well known issue, draftsmen are a dying race and a lot of fields are getting destroyed by this loss.

>>715789694
Draw, see what's wrong with it, don't do it next time

That's all

>>715790619
That’s because they don’t know what they’re doing. They could figure it out but without prior motivation they will have no reason to find that breakthrough. Some people try and fail for an entire lifetime but they really truly could have figured it out

We switched from learning realism first to learning abstraction first, which has turned out to be irresponsible long-term. At the same time, especially in video games, technological progress is signalled by how well we can mimic reality. So we have people trying to recreate something they don't know how to draw. A bit backwards.

>>715766087 (OP)
This is a larp patreon artist fooling people into giving him money for his stupid "tutorials"

He is just an artfag version of pirate software.

Anyone that buys into this is a retard, this is not how you learn to draw.

>>715791034
I fucking hate attack on Titan lol, possibly due to projection and insult at the sight of someone

>>715791202
>That’s because they don’t know what they’re doing.
And the reason for that is the lack of talent. You're either a natural, or an NGMI.

>>715786523
Not exactly, around 30-40% of intellectual capability is tied to genetics, surprisingly more important is very early (0-3 years old) period and if the child is both properly stimulated AND interact with parents.

Now compare this to modern world and all those kids that were simply given TV/phone with colourful random images so they won't bother their parents and have answer to why youngest generation is literally retarded.

>>715786784
Most of the examples I've seen of history's greats were already producing amazing art pieces before they even turned 13.

>>715791320
Someone so successful who I think doesn’t draw much better than myself*(I’m full of shit about that though, I’m not as good as that guy)

>>715775850
No one actually cares how long it took you to get good

>>715791364
Both happen

I tried to be an artist. Really enjoyed it at first, but I stagnated hard, then eventually quit. I just don't have what it takes I guess. Saw this thread and now I feel like shit.

Made me respect artists a whole lot more though. You hear people sayu how it takes years to get good, but holy shit the amount of work and dedication it takes is unbelievable.

>>715790267
agreed but not because of digital
artists are more skilled than ever because of better learning methods and tools(including digital and 3D)

>>715766948
That's what happen when you keep telling special snowflakes that they're special snowflakes and then reality came and hit them in the face.

>t. am an artist in early 30's, saw tons of younger artists ranting in their servers and everyone kept coddling them

>>715791502
Nah if youve got your head right about it you can just succeed at learning it quickly. Happens all the time

>>715789858
>um there's no correct way to learn sweaty
>>715791202
>actually there is a specific way to learn so you actually improve

WHICH IS IT

A little different problem I observe among family and some people at work

>oh, you paint scale models? You should make YT channel and make money out of it!
>oh, you do photography? What are you even doing here then, why don't you do that for the living?
>oh, you used to draw at school and studies?

And so on. Why some people insist on turning hobby into a job? That would kill all the fun, not to mention that it is not profitable at all.

>>715791592
Because they don't have any hobbies, they don't get it.

>>715791592
Are you me?
I do scale modelling, photography and just now picked up drawing and painting and it's always the same shit.
I have a job, KILL YOURSELF AND LEAVE ME BE.

>>715767879
This lol. Once you have a real job or progress in your career you realize none of those online artist beef bullshit or popularity contest matters. Ever. It's like getting sweaty in MMO or competitive gaming. You'd probably take it way top seriously in the heat of the moment but when you look back at it, it doesn't really matter but you can still look fondly on them.

>>715772628
So fvcking true. My journey flips flops between Superiority Complex and Impostor Syndrome

>>715791672
>are you me?
Depends, do you also enjoy photographing cosplayers?

>>715774771
The only time Harley was good.

>>715791578
> WHICH IS IT
Like the Tao it is mysterious and personal. Nah I’m half kidding, there are curriculums that help, I’m not smart enough at the moment to know what’s perfect

>>715791592
They have good intentions, I assure you. They want to see you succeed at something you enjoy. They just don't get that there's either no money, or chasing the small amounts of money you might get kills the fun.

>>715791746
we are different, for me it's landscapes, fine art photography and taking picture of cute wildlife like foxes and deer

>>715791567
>if youve got your head right about it
You say this like it's easy.

>>715783770
Hot.
Got more?

>>715766087 (OP)
Case in point: street fighter 6

>>715791956
Oh they are nice subjects too. I don't have many chances to travel so I sadly cannot do landscapes but I'm happy for you.

>>715792107
where is that?
also being into photography is helpful for plastic models too when you want to show them; in fact photography and creative skills are really helpful in general, that's why I am currently learning drawing, because I want to be able to draw and everything that comes with it.

>>715786720
I've only started like 7 months ago, and have been drawing everyday for between 1-3 hours (sometimes 6 hours if I'm manic). I always go back to see the art I made when I started and enjoy the proof that I'm always improving

I don't even believe in talent. I believe in passions for the craft. If you love creating, then it doesn't matter if it's bad, you'll still feel happy that you made something

>>715791502
Anyone trying to be an artist in 2025 is a fucktard, there is literally no money in it.

>>715788165
Deporting non-citizens, papered or not, is good. The rest you made up.

>>715786531
it's just a quick sketch, drawn as an inside joke.
>>715792029
you can have this old sketch, just for you.

>>715766339
>”BUY MY PATREON FOR ONLY $39.99 A MONTH, GOYIM!”
That’s why

>>715766517
yes they do you fat ass

>>715793003
There has never been much money in it. People do it out of passion and obsession. You always hear about the success cases but in reality those are like the 0.1% and the vast majority don't make a living with it

It's much easier if you live in idk Brazil or Thailand, where a mere 200$ a month is enough to survive and pay the bills. Once you reach this amount you can dedicate yourself to art full time, which makes your art good and desirable to be worth that first world living salary. Since it's way easier to start that virtuous cycle there, it's why so many cracked digital artists come from poor countries.

>>715793047
go back to drawing faggot, the world needs more tasteful quality hentai

>>715792736
this is a good mindset but I would ditch krita and buy CSP when its on sale, especially if you are serious about drawing.

>>715793229
Getting (You)s on an anonymous basket weaving forums feels better than drawing desu

>>715774472
Seconding this - there are a lot of excellent guides available on e-hentai and they helped me a lot with my expressions, hair, shading and linework. Not so much on depth / shape but then again those are always the hardest and there are lots of well known guides for those (draw a box, etc).

After reading this bread I decided to clear dust of my tablet.
I will use it once and put it back into the box most likely.

>>715769494
If you human at age 18+ and your height is below 170cm - you are genetically defective.

>>715793164
>Brazil or Thailand, where a mere 200$ a month is enough to survive and pay the bills

This isn't the 1970's anymore buddy

>>715791385
This is sick I want to see it finished

>>715793364
Combine both and just draw for fun and your sick thick(realistic) girl fetishes.

>>715774815
It's actually the opposite. Almost everything that constitutes 'talent' is fairly easy to acquire if you make a serious effort to learn how to learn.
It's as simple as having the right mindset or right understanding of certain principles, and some people luck into that knowledge early on - we call that talent but it's simply a predisposition or proclivity, and it can be taught.

The real reason some people frame talent as some ineffable thing is because it makes them feel better about giving up or not trying. If there was no hope to succeed from the start then they made the right choice by not wasting their effort.

>>715793286
Not him, but what are the advantages of Clip Studio Paint over Krita?
t. Krita user

>>715766087 (OP)
>bokuman
no wonder it looks like westoid shit

>>715793286
What's so good about it, beside the fact that more people uses it.
I only recently switched to kirta because photoshop caught me pirating and it kinda scares me

>>715792736
How did you learn painting? I'm getting the hang of drawing right now, but I like how you drew the background.

>>715791326
I guess niggers are just retarded because their kids just "aren't stimulated enough." Thanks, boomeranon!

>>715783770
Same I came here to post my wip but I don't think it's that kinda thread.

>>715791592
Same. I painted a still life once and showed it at work because I finally had something normal to show that wasn't just anime grills and they all started "OH DUDE, YOU SHOULD SELL IT, YOU SHOULD MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT, WANT ME TO BUY IT? YOU REALLY SHOULD SELL THIS" When I painted it for fun and just wanted to hang it in my living room. Ffs man like I appreciate you like it but I do this to relax

>>715793632
Not him but the program feels really nice to use if you wanna do illustrations, and the shop where people upload custom materials for free is fucking amazing. The only problem I have with it is that it's single threaded and noticeably lags when doing operations in big pieces with lots of layers, for example, selecting a group of layers and moving them, shriking them, etc, its unbearable.

bot thread

I really just want to draw my niche fetish art

>>715792678
Tateyama, Murodo plateau.

>>715766517
>real women's bodies don't look like that

kek

https://youtu.be/qmvx3Ets_lY

>>715793968
what's your fetish?

>>715793537
I'm 45 years old and 165 cm.

>>715794003
Crucifixion

>>715776940
Are you able to write in a clean manner?
Are you able to look at something and tell the difference between something ugly and pretty?
Congrats, you have all the "genetics" you need for drawing, the rest is just grinding like any skill such as learning a language.
As long as you consistently do art and try to put effort into the areas you're struggling with, you'll inevitably improve.
Try to do a lot of "okay" drawings and then do a difficult drawing every now and then where you try to push your boundaries and put more effort and polish in as a benchmark.
Tutorials and books are useless if you consume them at a rate that is exceeding that which you can actually apply.
Just do what is within your skill level and then a bit instead of trying to stress yourself about achieving something vastly out of your league.

Of course, there are people who have an inherent edge and feel for drawing and you won't keep up with them. Not everyone can do amazing art, but almost everyone is able to get to a level where they can do good art

>>715782651
its not just the OP but other posts as well. you are incapable of normal discussion, you just want attention.

>>715777550
why would you want to get better at something you don't have passion for if it isn't a job?

>>715783770
I drew that, got room to improve

>>715767236
my sister in law has a degree in fine arts and she is now a highschool art teacher who teaches indigenous kids about dey culture. literally hates teaching white and asian kids. only cares about teaching brownies. she is not good at art either.

>>715793785
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/library
It's a big free resource on technique called "digital painting". The rest is a long series of trial and error.

I recommend you try painting with cheap watercolor pencil IRL, it helped me comprehend the difference between drawing and painting

are we gonna have this same spam thread every fucking day, its not fucking videogames
go back to >>>/ic/ where you belong you fucking losers.

>>715793980
nice.

>>715793014
>what's that, a blonde-haired blue-eyed Norwegian scientist coming over? with a JD Vance meme on his phone? Get him the fuck out of here!
>What's that Israel? You want us to take 500,000 more muslim refugees from another war you made us start? Sure thing!

*slurp slurp slurp*

>>715793632
>>715793767
Mostly because of the brush engine is on par with photoshop and procreate. I don't need to explain why PS is bad, and procreate is locked to apple. The biggest pro is that you have a shitton of pro artists including jp and korean ones who upload their assets to it what you can download and use. Even in this tutorial >>715774472 you can see the assets for the tights pen and skin glitter on the left are for CSP.

>>715786934
cute!

>>715793463
what do you search for to get drawing guides/references?

>was a 'natural' at drawing when i was a kid
>could photorealistically reproduce stuff i was looking at with little effort
>grew older and realized i was only good at that kind of copying, i couldn't actually draw something from scratch without references
I got pretty discouraged at that point and stopped drawing for years. It feels like i never actually learned 'how' to draw, I was just a good photocopier which is dumb as fuck in the age of cameras and printers.

I've been attempting to learn art to draw my niche waifu (who has zero artwork) for a month or two, but I feel like I haven't moved beyond the level of toddler scribbles. Rendering and shading seem like incomprehensible black magic. How do you shake the feeling of being repulsed by anything that comes out from your pen?

>>715775850
this is true of everything. talented people always jerk themselves off about how hard they work, not realizing everyone works hard, its just easier for talented people to do so because they see results.

>>715794857
Keep the art you did earlier. From time to time, look at it and be amazed on how much you've improved.

>>715774708
Not true at all. Depends on model and prompts it will give you only limited outcome, mosty based on someone else work.

>>715794765
>i couldn't actually draw something from scratch without references
Aren't you suppose to use references? Would you be able to take a character sheet and draw them in a different pose?

>vag out all in the open for like 6 hours already
ADVERTISERS GET DOWN!

>>715791975
It is if you do it right

>>715766087 (OP)
Made kuromi during company hours

>>715794857
When you cook you don't think "Oh Gordon Ramsay would make a way better dish I hate this I hate myself". You just cook. And learn cooking techniques from watching tutorials and reading recipes and shit. It's the same. A bit more complicated, but the same. You finish it, taste test it, compare with recipe and see if something went wrong, and try again later when you apply what you learned. Over and over. You can feel repulsed or inferior to the chef, but he dedicates his life to it and you are just an amateur, you know this, no one expects you to do it perfectly in a restaurant setting. Just do your best

>>715794558
https://e-hentai.org/?f_search=draw%2C+language:english&f_cats=767

>>715793116
i think he just feels that boobs should have more weight.

>>715791592
>>715793890
they're just trying to get involved somehow. art isn't a very social activity in the same way as other activities.

>>715794265
it looks good. i think you could add more dramatic lighting since you have the pool nearby, letting you play with bounce light and stuff.

>>715766087 (OP)
>follow artist with a simple but appealing art style
>they used to make YTPs back in the day
>see their growth throughout the years
>stuff slowly gets increasingly more degenerate
>thicker thighs, furfag and furfag-adjacent OC commissions, borderline "haha" posting
>followers who comment are all leftards with tranny flags and pronouns
>accidentally "slips" about their nsfw account
>look inside
man online artists really are a rabbit hole at times

>>715794857
>2 months
Cat posters are on par with frog posters when it comes to retardation. Try 2 years.

>>715791872
>They have good intentions, I assure you
lol, no. they have no intentions at all. they're just making vague small talk with no thought behind it.

>>715795067
based, same here

>>715794997
I could do that yeah. I probably had an unrealistic impression of how much it was possible to create from thin air back then.
Nowadays I realize that the people who seemed to be able to do that just drew a lot. So even if it seemed like they were pulling shapes from thin air, all the references were in the head from past work.

>>715795181
>Follow an artist that used to draw some really nice anime tits
>Cute faces, really good at drawing clothes too. Erotic and aesthetically appealing
>Real nice around 2020-2021
>Fast forward to today
>Only draws gigantic blobs of flesh instead of breasts
>Only naked women getting fucked silly while their flesh flaps around
>Each titty is bigger than the rest of the girls' body
>Draws nothing else
The things we lost... wont stop hurting

>>715767236
I think art classes from elementary/middle school are to blame. When I was young I hated art class because you were essentially just given supplies and told to create whatever. They never taught the fundamentals like form and perspective, so everything I always made was complete shit and I just disregarded art all together. About a year and a half ago I decided to learn to draw and once I learned about the fundamentals everything started to click pretty immediately and I feel like for the first time in my life I gained an appreciation for it. I think if art classes were to start teaching even the basics, instead of having to seek it out on your own, we'd have a renaissance of animation . Of course burger schooling so that will probably never happen

>>715794054
Wtf

>>715791592
>love to bake and cook
>love to try different recipes or experiment when I bake or make dishes at home
>family and friends of family have all tried what I make and love it
>everyone insists I become a chef and go to school for it
>the compliment is nice but I really just love doing it for family and having people enjoy the food for obvious reasons
>now they will never stop bringing it up 24/7 endlessly
What in the goddamn.

Touhoufellers? Serafuku enjoyers? Drawrin yourself some foreign girlfriend, again, son? Your hearts are in the wrong place. That ain’t drawrin’

drawing should be fun
if it isn't fun, why bother

>>715795549
Yeah honestly I did art in school but never learnt anything from it in terms of fundamentals. Sucks. I wish I could draw.

>>715783770
current wip, hopefully I finish it today since i took the day off lol

>>715791592
Same but with cooking some family member asked me why I don't open a youtube channel? why don't you open a food truck

No I just want to cook stuff for myself

>>715795720
Happens all the time. I spent years as a graphic designer and a big part of that is taking photos to use in projects. As a result, I became a semi-decent photographer and now I just enjoy taking nice pictures and friends / family all hound me to become a professional photographer when in reality I would hate that.

>>715795170
>it looks good. i think you could add more dramatic lighting since you have the pool nearby, letting you play with bounce light and stuff.


True, I put the background as an after thought should've thought of it

>>715766517
but they do?

>>715793632
man i like krita, but the brushes do feel really limited at times

>>715795880
That's really nice (nature)

I want to get an iPad to draw stuff with.

>>715791534
This. Anytime some AItard uses that 'It democratizes art!' talking point you have to laugh because this is by far the easiest time to learn art. You have so many tutorials tools videos and people who will help you that it's insanely easy to begin.

>>715791592
I already turned drawing into a side hustle for about 8 years now so the magic of it is kinda gone to me. I've been picking up anination and 3d modelling and for the first time I'm only thinking "I'm just gonna enjoy and have fun with this. I'm not gonna turn this into another side hustle"

>>715766948
Creativity is a soul virus that tends to lead eccentrics off the deep end should they fail to pull themselves out in time.

>>715795908
I don't get how people think its a foreign concept to explicitly differentiate between hobbies and careers. I mean if you can combine the two, more power to you but turning a hobby into a job is a surefire way to start hating it.

>>715796191
>overpriced appleshit
just get a cheap wacom tablet

>>715787575
>just draw
I can do that part. not much else beyond that though.

>>715766996
>they know what people want
>companies are compensating them for denying the audiences what they desire via sabotage and demoralization

>>715783770
Started drawing a zagreus since i've been mostly drawing girls and want to practice men as well

adhd cuck here
should I get ritalin

>>715796767
get a second screen to watch streams n shit while drawing
use drawing as a side activity basically

>>715766948
>highly famous and valued artist
>when he took up art as an adult, he began at an elementary level
>also was highly anxious, on/off depressed since teenage years, maybe schizo/BPD
>still stuck with his parents at age 30
>cut off his own ear
>died at age 37 by a self-inflicted gunshot by a revolver
was /v/an gogh /ourguy/?

Working on my art in any serious capacity basically carries the debt of having to become an entire commercially successful artist and if I don’t I’m a failure. It feels so much within reach but insurmountable. I try to turn my brain off, it limits my ability to write, I have to care enough to face the pressure!

>>715797119
>Drew like 1000 paintings in his lifetime
Thank god he didn't have access to the internet or he would have ended up as an /ic/ schizo shitposting and doomposting all day instead of painting so much

>>715797119
van gogh would draw anime girls with guns and have 500000 followers on twitter if he was alive today.

>>715795880
Nicest nature
>>715796473
>>715797281
combining the job/hobby aspect is the dream coming true for most. The 9-5 life where people race to the bottom, gossip and do everything to make life for others shitty is not for me. I have been there, done it, and I'm at the age where I just simply don't care about the rat race. I draw on the side for money now, but thats it.

Art is fun and I like drawing.

>>715795016
There's no vagina or even labia shown, virgin-kun

>>715793047
UOOOOHHHH PATCHY SEXO

>>715797119
>/v/an gogh and /l/ovecraft are notorious namefags that are constantly shitting threads up with their antics
The kino that could've been

>>715793014
Illegally detained for being brown and your beloved administration recognized they messed up with Kilmonger.

>>715766948
Art is a significant time sink and painful, so the required amount of motivation to actually do it is going to be staggering, that's the main issue motivation and it's sources result in issues, so let's go over them.
The #1 reason for motivation for public artist is going to be attention and well just by saying that you should know that kind of motivation is an entire can of demonic worms and mental illness.
#2 Lust this one is unironically vastly mire stable than the first one usually found in Porn artists but surprisingly I only suspect this is the main motivation of around 40% or so of porn artists, these people tend to desire things that other people aren'tdrawing or making enough of and it's pissing them off so they force more of said thing into existence by drawing it themselves.
#3 expression people who unironically draw because they can't help it, the heart is heavy and and this is the main method that they know of releasing it this is predominantly the main motivation of people who draw privately and don't usually share things, but when they do they tend to make more emotionally engaging stuff, but as they fuel their art with their own emotional state motivation comes and goes.
Most artists have a mixture of these 3 things to varying levels of intensity or absence, alongside the fact the the average person usually has some level of trauma and psyche issues+any that you're going to see online are people tmyou thrust themselves into public space which mind you consistently fucks every one up Like think other jobs that rely on the attention of the public like vtubers, actors, comedians, reviewers, ect. They are all fucking nuts and 1 step away from being ex communicated from society
It's why all the best artists tend to be hyper private and don't show any of there real self to the world only their work, they know what happens.

>>715793014
Someone with papers is a citizen

>>715796671
Looks good, keep it up.
My general advice would be to have a base layer in a low-saturation neutral colour (light brown, grey, etc.) to take the harshness out of the sketch that you get with a light background.
Also, to create a simple round brush with lower density for sketching.
One of the best tips I ever picked up for lining a sketch was to basically create a new layer whenever you're laying down lines, then merging the layer down to your dedicated line layer (separate from your sketch layer): it gives you a lot of control over how things end up.

>>715796671
i think you're missing a third vanishing point for what you're trying to do.

>>715775274
extremely based post making the lazy furries screech in denial
100% on point

>>715793286
>>715793632
The fun thing about CSP is that it's also piratable so you can see for yourself. You can get even V4 on RuTracker and such sites.
>>715798753
Where are the points here/where do they lead? Not the artist in question, but I have the perspective of a retarded being.

>>715794062
>Are you able to write in a clean manner?
No
>Are you able to look at something and tell the difference between something ugly and pretty?
Yes
Truly this is the worst combination, I mean sometimes I do attempt but I need to actually adhere to a routine and not be a sperg, I have a autistic friend who's the opposite he can draw really cool robots and pretty decent anatomy but when trying to draw human faces to everyone but him they looked actively mentally damaging to to look at with how crude and out of place they looked, he got significantly better when I actually tried conveying to him the issue rather than acting with animalistic hatred like everyone else, so I think you can get good at art even if your missing one of those things you just need to rbe properly taught/supported so you can overcome your short comings or well even know what short comings you have, it's why humble artists who can take criticism will always improve while those who are prideful and adverse to criticism will always degenerate

>>715794062
>but almost everyone is able to get to a level where they can do good art
That's only true if you have a low bar for what you consider good.

Since we're on /v/, i'll just say that getting good at art is very similar to getting good at something like fighting games. You can tell how similar they are from the way people talk about being bad at both too.

They're skills where progress isn't strictly linear. You do need a baseline of practice to acquire the mechanical skill to participate in the activity, but past that point all the improvement happens in your head and is entirely mental.
Whatever's holding you back at any point could be as simple as missing some little trick or piece of information that you never stumbled upon by chance. You could make a breakthrough in mindset and see things differently and instantly level up your game, or you could grind for a hundred hours not getting any better because you're not practicing with intention.

It's entirely up to you and has nothing to do with 'talent'. Talent is just people lucking into having states of mind that start them off with more of the right answers, and then the initial successes make it easy to keep the momentum going. At the end of the day all this is simply information that you can acquire manually if you so desired.

>>715799474
>comparing art to fighting games
you "people" truly are the worst cockroaches on this earth

why aren't we playing skribl.io

>>715799474
>It's entirely up to you and has nothing to do with 'talent'.
Talent is just a more socially acceptable word for genetic predisposition. In the same way that only a few will be successful athletes, only a few will be successful artists.

>>715766087 (OP)
It's funny how many artists just make fake tutorials like this to advertise themselves to noobs

>>715797312
Real. I could be drawing something, but instead, I'm doing my daily requirement of social interaction with all of you bastards

>>715799820
I was in a community here on 4chan composed of autists and other anons that just wanted to play X game, draw X game, etc.
The posters there with time went utterly batshit insane. The malicious kind that would try to ruin lives out of boredom. That had nothing else going on in their lives so the thread became their lives.
I don't really want to associate much with anons anymore beyond the anonymity veil.

>>715766087 (OP)
nortubel tier art

>>715799031
i just think the current pose wouldn't work without foreshortening in the z axis.

>>715776940
Follow a guide, set a goal, fail achieving it, set another goal, edit your flow, become better, set another goal, fail at it, learn things, become better until you feel that you don't need more of it right now, then you feel another itch to do even better and repeat.
Works for pretty much everything out there.
> cooking
download a guide for layer cakes online, fuck up three layers, figure out what exactly causes that (too much oil), the rest comes out nice, fuck up whipped cream (the blender is whipping it too hard and sends it flying around the room), think of a solution, solve it by whipping it in a bathtub, make a pretty good layer cake with the rest
> making funny images online
download paint.net, learn what layers are, fuck around, shit out an absolutely terrible meme, get another idea, fuck around more, learn what tools and contrast are, shit another one, learn a bit more, make an actually good one, want to do another one, download OCR tools/more fonts, do better
> writing academic articles
consult with the advisor, make an absolutely dogshit coursework, edit in accordance with their wishes, do better, shit another, do better, shit another, repeat enough until you're intuitive at writing good and reasonable papers to be eligible for an academic scholarship
> 3D modeling
download Blender, fuck around, "i don't know what anything here means", watch a couple of videos, set a goal, make a simple model, "fuck i need to know more", do a short (7 hours long) course, "alright maybe more", do another (13 hours long) course, set a goal, achieve things much faster
Pretty much all of it relies on having someone with a fresh eye on your bullshit and an ability to learn from your mistakes. People work at factories and avoid accidents after bruising themselves because they know now what causes the bruise and someone yelled at them. You ARE smart enough to be a factory worker and you DID FINISH school with passing grades, so you can do pretty much anything.

May as well shill my art too

>>715793104
Man, kemono dying during these times really is a pain in my ass

https://discord.gg/Ryp4ftmN

let's all draw together, friends~!

>>715800412
>you wouldn't pirate a pair of tits

>>715800412
...but it works? are you by chance somewhere in northern europe?

>>715800528
>random drawfag discord out of nowhere
>art gaggers
Who is the owner thats a "drawfag" and is sillyman on it?

>>715788532
>There has never been much money in it. People do it out of passion and obsession. You always hear about the success cases but in reality those are like the 0.1% and the vast majority don't make a living with it
Nah it's not this. You're drawings are just bad, anon.

>>715774213
If you started to draw as a child that would be at least 8 years of experience.

That's what the problem is today. Everyone, until they are 18 years of age, are raised as children, to be children. A little paraphrased, Aristotle said that it's already over when you're seven years old!

>>715800871
He probably means “dying” in the sense that its not getting updated properly for various artists or is omitting content locked behind other paywall sites. Fuck me, I’ve seen more leaked art on this site from anons for artists I like.

>>715801575
Aye, fair point. Its going to be a while before someone takes over maintaining it

>>715800925
me

>>715800025
Any form of online community is a complete waste of time, as most discord dwellers are ultra mentally ill. Whatever they can offer has nothing of value.
Money is the only like button what actually matters, as its the most direct way to say: I love what you do, have this to make life more bearable.

>>715801575
>go to an archive to bypass paywalls
>locks it behind another paywall anyway
Lol
Lmoa

>>715774365
the first one is hotter, but I'd still do her if she was the 2nd alt

>>715766087 (OP)
>step 2
>add more lines
>step 3
>DRAW THE REST OF THE OWL

>>715800528
Kill yourself IMMEDIATELY

>>715769747
>the trick is to find a niche with high demand and low supply and appeal to them
this, if you're a mediocre artist you're going to have to basically whore out your art skills and draw grotesque fetish shit if you want to make much money

>>715783254
Calligraphy quickly goes from worrying about your strokes to masturbating to expensive pens

>>715800286
Adversary my wife, there's sadly not alot of art of her so thank you for drawing her.

>>715802090
what's wrong tough guy? afraid you might feel something?

Drawing porn is fun, but it has the downside you can't show your family your drawings, because they'll see the signature to find your account and be greeted by Sybil Pseudoregalia getting railed in the butt.

>>715774605
>five minutes challenge, m&k in mspain

>>715774815
Shitters invented the "talent" and "asian jeans" memes to cope with their own laziness.

>>715794467
>>what's that, a blonde-haired blue-eyed Norwegian scientist coming over? with a JD Vance meme on his phone? Get him the fuck out of here!
I'm not even American, but it came out very quickly that the Norweign was a junkie. You should update your talking points so that you don't look like you drink the diarrhoea of the mainstream media straight from the source like a masturbating chimp

>>715802383
Been on both sides of this

>>715776487
Pablo Picasso was classically trained. CWC refused to ever acknowledge his shortcomings and stagnated.

>>715802773
I had a friend in high-school who loved to draw. He had a whole scrapbook full of doodles and drawings of things he loved. What he really, REALLY loved to draw was Starfire from the old Titans show. Well anyways he never drew porn at all, only “risque” poses of her one was her wearing a bath robe showing her exposed back off the top of my head and one of her in a bikini. Well anyways he also wasnt very smart about keeping things private, his parents found the scrapbook and by his own admission burned it in front of him because of the drawings inside. I just remember him being distraught beyond rational thought and having to try to motivate him to start over. I dont know if he did later on in life.

>>715794054
why?

>>715781808
You know the image you posted makes heavy use of photo reference, yes?

>>715799878
The brain is pretty plastic, so until our knowledge of neuroscience is good enough to be able to point to so and so area of the brain and say "this is why you're bad at spatial reasoning" or something, I'll continue to believe people don't give their ability to improve anywhere near enough credit.

As far as things like physical sports are concerned, you can't change your height or body type, but when it comes to cerebral endeavours you can change your thinking quite easily.

>>715803317
>Starfire
Extremely based.
Fuck those parents I really don't understand how people can be so hateful and petty to their own kids, I know far too many people where it feels like the only reason their parents had kids is to use them like emotional pinching bags.

>>715783638
>Stardew Valley have good looking characters
The irony of Stardew is earlier designs looked better and he actually made them worse because they were too attractive and toned it down. Some of them a like Abigail and Maru are downright ugly now and none of them are that good. Theres a reason the most common SD mods change the portraits because they are not really good.

>>715803317
He overreacted with burning merely risque stuff, but then again his parents probably overreacted even more and thought it was literally satan. Most of us would be fucked. You really can't talk your way out of a drawing of an asshole being spread.

>>715803684
>but when it comes to cerebral endeavours you can change your thinking quite easily.
Not really. What you'll be good or bad at is predestined before you're born.

Apparently Calvinists just suck total ass when it comes to art.

>>715789694
Practice, faggot
It took me less than 6 months to make something decent/good just with basic (like really fucking basic) anatomy

>>715766087 (OP)
How do I learn to draw? I tried drawabox, drawing on the right side of the brain, proko videos, none of it feels like it's sticking

>>715791592
I had some friend that once told me that I should start a restaurant because I cook well.
I have the same feeling that you, turning a hobby into a job would drown all the fun under financial necessity, administration ald stress.
I know I wouldn't be able to deal with shitty customer without insulting them/strangling them if I opened a restaurant.

>>715774979
> leftards attacking the concept of free speech and truth itself
Spotted a zoomie who knows nothing about mid '00s

>>715769569
No, it's
>This porn can't contain characters that look like children
Which is very different from little anime girls becoming Muhammad. The censorship from the modern right is a fraction as deranged as the censorship coming from the left.

>>715776993
you drew faster and color now

>>715804460
He was not deported for "having a meme on his phone". He was deported for getting caught with drugs. I'm sorry you were retarded enough to fall for literal propaganda

>>715804306
You grind. There is no better way to get better than to gain experience. And when you say you tried, have you ever finished reading any of those materials?

Drawing is for nerds, anyway.

>>715804994
shut up fag

>>715793286
CSP is absolute garbage for painting because japs can't code to save their lives and the program shits it's pants once a textured brush expands beyond a modest size. It's frustrating because otherwise it would be the perfect replacement for Photoshop. I would not switch to it unless you're a manga artist and all you do is sketch/draw with small brushes.

>>715804994
Fucking eradicate yourself from this plane of existence you insufferable cunt.

>>715766517
Yes they do, that is the old average before HFC became a major group on the food pyramid
>>715774472
Thanks

>>715793767
In terms of brush engine, and basic features it matches and even surpasses Photoshop, you can't and shouldn't switch to it as a replacement though, it can't paint because the optimisation and performance doesn't allow for it. It's just a drawing tool which can sort of paint if all you use is a basic hard round brush

>>715766948
You'd have to be insane to spend hours or even days making lines and coloring them in to make a picture.

>>715805220
Heh, funny you have that saved.

>>715798456
I used to do this multilayered sketch process but started to just iterate over time by carving out details instead. Ultimately this will be painted over and before applying colors i do set up the background color first. I suppose i am just becoming lazier when it comes to sketching since i didn't even bother to change the brush color
>>715798753
I think a three point perspective is outside of my skill range for now, but i will keep it in mind for future drawings

>>715806181
You'd have to be insane to spend hours or even days watching flashing rectangles seeking emotional fulfillment or fishing for (you)s on an anonymous, ephemeral internet forum and yet people are addicted to it. Pretty much everything a modern human does is insane when viewed without context.

Let us all post bad art together.

>>715766087 (OP)
most artists were hired for programming or writing so they had to learn the basics from other artists

>>715799145
I used to have absolutely shitty handwriting, what ultimately made my hand more steady is having to do tiny handwriting to save space.
Perhaps figure out something that forces you to do fine strokes instead of broad ones to improve on your fine control

>>715766517
They do if they're fat.

>>715806567
>bad art
you first

>>715799474
I like to think of talent as a multiplier. It accelerates your growth and raises your potential cap but it ultimately does nothing without the flat base power of the work you put into it.
Someone hard working will always surpass someone with talent who doesn't put effort into it eventually. It is only the rare individuals that despite their talent never rest on it and instead grind all of its worth out who become unsurpassable, but those are few and far between

>>715798028
i guess it falls into 3 but you forgot fun. its very addicting to draw once you got the groove going

>>715769569
>Both sides
Only the right wing is passing legislation to criminalize it. >>715769569
I've notice republican shills love to cover up their shit by using the both sides argument and pretending some retards getting their fee fees hurt on twitter is the same as enacting laws that criminalize looking at anime girls.

I'm at a loss of how to put myself out there since I'm so fucking 4chan brained, and I doubt I'm gonna reach anyone posting on my fresh as fuck socials. Decades ago I would hang around the art sections of forums and get some eyes there, but forums are no more. I guess we're all on discord now?

>>715766517
I do but im a male :3

>>715807827
join my disc >>715800528

My peanus weanus of course

>>715807905
join your mouth with a gun faggot

>>715808868

>>715809227

>>715806567
that's cute

>>715774472
they use clip studio paint but donyt bother to mention which lineart burhs they use, is frustrating, a small but important piece

I keep hoarding artbooks and courses yet i'm still a /beg/ somehow... maybe if i hoard some more...

>>715810984
Complete one faggot
>But which one
Any of them

>>715807827
The social media grind is entirely separate from the art grind. You can post great art and have no one like it, not because they ignore it but because they don't get to see it in the first place. Vice versa you can consistently put out mediocre art and know about how to properly play the social media game and build a decent followership given enough time.
Your focus should be to get a decent starter follower base and some mutual art friends through outside means since getting that initial follower base to bring engagement and share your work is the hardest step
Drawthreads can be nice to find some fellow artfags, but the threads themselves are just a shitty farmfest for the single dedicated autist most of the time and are a bad place to stick around for long.
Catching onto trends can be crucial since it might be the only way for people to even find your art by browsing.
And finally, each site has its own "Meta". Instagram as example is all about reels. If you don't make funny or engaging reels to promote your art, you've already lost