1.4m today or tomorrow.

It's official, we won.

>>715877229 (OP)
Nice so you stuffed the ballot with 400k botted votes

>>715877289
>NOOO BUT IT'S BOTTED FOR SURE YOU FRICKING CHUD!!

>>715877289
proof?

>>715877289
cope

>>715877229 (OP)
Babelmediasisters...

>>715877229 (OP)
Remember when I said nah I'd win and you all doubted me?

>>715877229 (OP)
>billions of gamers
>only 1.4 million sign the petition

really makes you think

>>715877530
EU has 450m people. So one in every 320 people has signed. I feel like that's a lot.

>>715877229 (OP)
It's not enough. I want to win more. I need to see 2M.

>>715877229 (OP)
What will this do legal wise?

I don't care about online games. Sorry. I just don't.

>>715877734
>retarded gen A meme

>Communist movement that will kill indie game development
>"Stop Killing Games"
Ironic, but it's coming from bootlicking Europoors, so I'm not surprised.

>>715877530
>billions
>EU petition
>_EU_ petition
>EU has 450 million people
So, from what retarded third world shithole are you from?

>>715878129
>this shitty shilloid argument again
lmao. name three (3) gaas indie games

>tfw people would rather fight to preserve video games than the white race

>>715878161
you don't have to be in the eu to sign, the restrictions are easily dodgeable
i'm not eu and i signed a couple times just to support the cause

>>715877734
Except publishers can also prevent you from playing your single player games in the same way.

>>715878174
All gaming is a service to you, the player.

>>715877442
I'm sure you eceleb obsessed schizos who spam /v/ with off-topic threads would never do such a thing ;)

>>715877229 (OP)
For anyone who doesn't know what stop killing games is about read this excellent article. It would make paid for games still playable after companies shut down private servers that host them. We still need more European citizens to sign the petition for game preservation, so EU citzs look at it.

https://www.gamereactor.eu/youtubers-could-change-the-gaming-industry-forever-stop-killing-games-tries-to-force-gaming-onto-the-political-agenda-1574543/

>>715878379
>I'm sure you eceleb obsessed schizos who spam /v/ with off-topic threads would never do such a thing ;)

>>715878347
good morning sir

>>715877229 (OP)
600k botted signatures
screencap this

>>715878312
Post proof, and hand while you're at it.

>>715878521
It's ma'am, but thank you. Good morning to you too, anon.

>>715879071
ywnbaw

>>715879105
I literally am, but whatever. You do you.

>>715878327
So don't buy it, retard.
>get doom eternal
>need to set up a bethesda account
>into the trash it goes and refunded
>try it year later through fitgirl (rip)
>turns out it's fucking shit
Almost as if you can immediately tell if a game is good or not based on company practices

>>715877702
it will literally kill the gaming industry because the retarded faggots signing this don't actually know how it operates and what they're demanding. they basically demand that the devs keep up the game's servers and everything up and running at a budgetary deficit, even after shutting it down for the few dozens or retarded faggots still left who can't just move on and do something else. they are demanding the private source code of the game be released alongside with the game so that modders and whatnot can just create and host their own private servers in case the game shuts down, thus instead, leading to way more issues regarding hacking / cheating and copyright issues because if they have asses to the source code, they can do just about whatever with it.

the people who created this petition and are signing it legit never worked as a game developer in their entire lives nor did they work in the industry to know how it operates and understand that the ground stomping child demands they're asking for are literally not possible to meet in any capacity. it will not do anything legal wise since no one can afford to even try and restructure the whole thing around what some manchildren are throwing a tantrum over. at the best it will just make it mandatory they put a disclaimer first related to how in order to play the game, you accept the fact that at some point in the future, the servers may stop working if they game shuts down. or it would just incentivize companies to further ask for money by going like:
>"guys, guys! if you don't want the game to end up shutting down, please buy more microtransactions and support us monetarily so we can keep the servers up and running for you!! see, gamers?? we are totally with you here, we do not want to shut this game off, but you need to continue playing and paying for us to keep it going!!"

>>715879571
>they are demanding the private source code of the game be released alongside with the game so that modders and whatnot can just create and host their own private servers in case the game shuts down
They literally are not asking for this.

>>715879716
it's the only way to make you able to properly create and host your own servers is if you have part of the private code of the game that makes them work the way they do made public for you to use.

>>715877229 (OP)
>>715877289
to be honest i want a solid 2 or 1.7 mil because i fully believe game developers are botting votes in order to further their agenda of fucking with gamers

>>715879860
You are disingenuous or just plain dumb.

>>715878231
if such an initiative where proposed it would be removed. this only got 1 million signatures because they dont care. try making an EU initiative to deport all jews and muslims. it's not going to happen. it will be removed for hate speech and the petitioners will be murdered

>>715879932
the code for these still remains private, the only thing they did is that the devs have to waste extra money and time putting together the tool that let's you create dedicated servers via their infrastructure without actually accessing their private code. the petition literally wants the code for these tools released so that they can host stuff even when the game would go offline in the sense that you can't even access the main menu because that in itself requires direct access to an account and online access.

>>715879914
Yeah I don't think 1.4 mil is even remotely close to what we actually need.

>>715880134
>If I keep lying maybe they will believe me instead of doing their own research

>>715877229 (OP)
Imagine giving a fuck about Crew or other online only garbage lol
>inb4 it's based because it's made gay furry seethe
Doesn't make it any less stupid

>>715877229 (OP)
>no, you don't understand, they're all fake, you need a billion signatures to ensure

>>715880243
>NOOOOO IT DOESN'T MATTER CHUD PLEASE DON'T SIGN THE PETITION
Good morning Babel Media.

This terrifies corpofag, that's why they killed it.

>>715880253
Unironically yes. What's the downside to this? That we get more signatures than we need?

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
>MY DECADE OLD GAME WHO BARELY MANAGES TO AMAAS 400~600 PLAYERS ON A GOOD DAY AND ON WHICH MOST SERVERS ARE BARREN AND SPARSELY EVER POPULATED!!!!!
>NOOOOOOOOOOO!! WHAT SHALL I EVER DO!! I CAN'T JUST MOVE ON!!! THIS IS MY LIFE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT!! I SPENT SO LONG LIVING ON HERE WITH ALL MY E-FRIENDS AND GOOD MEMORIES!!!
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! YOU CAN'T FUCKING SHUT IT DOOOOWNN!!
>DAMN YOU! I DEMAND YOU SLAVE AWAY AND WASTE YOUR INCOME TO KEEP UP THESE PIECE OF SHIT SERVERS THAT BARELY AMASS TO ANYTHING PURELY FOR MY OWN ENTERTAINMENT!!!!
>AAAAAAAAAAAHHH! I DEMAND! I DEMAND! I DEMAND!I DEMAND!I DEMAND!

>>715880498
Get a life you subhuman.

Unironically it's not enough. Internet petitions needs lots of attention and outrage. The number of votes means shit in internet petitions. It's basically just bots retweeting a post a million times. A local petition with thousands of signatures is more likely to accomplish something than an online one. The best you could hope for with this is that it grabs the attention of politicians. They're not going to care about the number of signatures but whether or not they can profit off the movement, and that's the only way they're going to win here

Dude MEPs have literally already said they will raise the issue in parliament. Not "well if you get more signatures we'll think it".

The point of the campaign was to get it to their attention, and it has already achieved it. Nothing is guaranteed since corpos will sure as hell lobby hard but we've done all we can.

>>715880564
>projection
this is literally what you are supposed to do, neet bitch

>>715880229
only about 10% of users post so yeah the idea is to lie exactly like this >>715880134

>>715880567
Bro this is an EU citizens imitative, you have to use your ID to sign. It meeting its voting threshold guarantees a discussion in the EU parliament.
One of the VPs of the EU also openly voiced his support already.

is this what people call an epic crusty gamer moment?

>>715880635
I pay for a game, I'll have it indefinitely.
Now fuck off back to cuckbooru you sharty mongoloid.

NOT
VIDYA

>>715880571
>please stop signing you already won
very subtle, ranjesh.

>>715877229 (OP)
>/v/ spends months shilling for some change.org petition
>Some old fart will glaze over it, briefly mention it, and will the continue to talk about Ukraine and opening borders to 500 million more refugees instead

we wonned

>>715880950
NOT
WOMAN

>>715877229 (OP)
These niggers should be protesting the blackmail of payment processors organized by deranged activitists intead.

>>715881027
good.

>>715877229 (OP)
>we won
I'm celebration once the EU makes a ruling in our favor. Until then all this means is they'll consider the matter

>>715881217
Protesting does jack shit. The initiative has a chance at least.

>>715877289
this isn't the US legal system

>>715881386
Good point. 800 thousand ballots then

>>715879991
thought crime laws are such a wonderful thing. for the people, by the people.

>>715881440
USA doesn't require ID to vote, meanwhile a simple EU petition will send confirmation documents home to every single one that signs it

>>715880430
There are not a billion people in the EU.
Also what makes me laugh is the chain of events.
>it will never get to a million
>ok, it got to a million but now you need 1.2 to remove invalid signatures
>wait, if it got to 1.2 now it's 1.4
>noooo, it should be 2 million

>>715881635
>meanwhile a simple EU petition will send confirmation documents home to every single one that signs it
Really? I didn't get sent any lol

>>715881652
Again, what's the downside to this?

>>715881707
it's not past the deadline yet...

>>715880635
silence, wagecuck, Mr. Goldberg needs you in the office tomorrow for a weekend shift, you wouldn't want to waste your free time arguing with neetGODS, would you?

>>715877289
Even if that was true, what's your fucking point, retard? The whole point of going over was to safeguard the 1 million minimum, which it already reached.

>>715880498
Dude just have a half rack powered on somewhere in the basement of your 100,000sq foot facility why is that some Herculean task

>>715880498
>No you don't understand. You can't play your old games because old bad new good. Don't you want to be popular and have sex like all of these nuSlop enjoyers?

That's you

>>715882010
>avatarfagging

>>715877229 (OP)
>petitions matter
rumao

>>715883118
nah just happened to be the random image i scroll to

>>715883263
if it was hopeless the industry would not do any counter lobbying

>>715877229 (OP)
If one man can stand tall
There must be hope for us all
Somewhere, somewhere in the spirit of man

>>715877289
I keep hearing this, apparently if it turns out that signatures are botted, entered repeatedly or spelled wrong it can be enough to make the initiative invalid. My theory is that there are people out there intentionally doing this in an attempt to kill SKG but that there are also people stupid enough to bot with the intention of trying to help. In either case, I'm somewhat worried about this.

why is it that europeans always have to clean up the world's problems? we're like their fucking parents

>>715883709
The most egregious case so far had 200k invalid signatures, so barring unprecedented levels of fraud the initiative's save.
imo the most likely time for potential botting would have been around the 900k mark, in an attempt to get it over the line and hope that momentum stopped there.

No one arguing against SKG here does so in good faith so it's always funny to see.

>>715877734
this will encourage devs (or publishers) to make less always-online games, as it takes away some of the incentives to do them

>>715877229 (OP)
>voting with my wallet doesn't work
>go woke go broke
Which one, vee?

>>715877229 (OP)
I hate this movement so much

>>715883980
>Forced to sweep up the worlds problems...

So a ....Janny? Oh no Eurobros that mean ole corpo took a big shit on my vidya better get to sweeping it up.

>>715882608
Should have read the contract.
Cheers.

>>715884408
no, a parent because you foreigners are all overgrown children with delusions of grandeur

>>715884314
It's a movement literally made up by a youtube slopper.
What would you expect?

>>715880498
It's our right to demand such things.

Saying anything contrary to that is just corporate shilling.

I hope you got paid less than 1 russian ruble for your time to post that

It's funny that they still think shilling against this will do anything now. They have never changed up their tactics or their alleged arguments, they really do think they can just zerg rush it to death.

>>715884486
Sorry to interrupt but that corpo shit is really starting to stink up the place can you get to cleaning that up soon so I can get back to enjoying my vidya? I hope this (you) will motivate you to get to sweeping.

>>715877229 (OP)
>1.4m today or tomorrow.
>It's official, we won.
No. E.g. in Polish presidential election candidate needs 100k singnatures to run in it. If name, birth date, PESEL or address is valid, signature is void. Some candidates had even 40% error rate. So the fact it's interner petition with leftists and troll you need 2m to be sure.

>>715884502
you are a dumb on the subject uneducated contrarian retard, your family must be proud of you

>>715884772
>our right
you have no rights you communist, lol.

>>715877289
You're indian, you're the bot expert here.

>>715885085
>you need 2m to be sure
No we don't
We won

>>715877289
so we still have one million?

>>715883980
Well, you guys fucked it up 100 years ago. It's only fair that you fix it.

>>715883263
It's not a petition.

>>715877229 (OP)
https://youtu.be/r-xJjiS4wcA

>>715887804
It's honestly insane, it never ends. It just keeps getting worse. He's such an asshole it's unreal.

>>715886708
Shut up you brownoid. Everyone caused wars, and had to face wars.
Europeans were just better artistically, intellectually, and culturally.

We lost a lot of blood for our liberties and progress. You niggers deserve nothing. You never fougth for it, and for anything at all. To me it's incredible that you are allowed to have rights.

>>715887804
He truly is the gift the keep on giving.

I pray every day that Piratesoftware, in his endless retardation, has botted the initiative to fuck with the results. Him getting in trouble with interpol would be the cherry on top.

>>715887804
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>>715877616
Remember that also 1/320 includes the fact that some of those 320 have never played video games, are infants or elderly, etc

>>715879571
> it will literally kill the gaming industry
Ive heard enough, send one trillion tonns of ryegrass to haru urara.

>>715888996
My sides would never recover from this.

>>715879571
Good, fuck the gaming industry.

>>715879343
or i could sign the initiative at no detriment to myself

>>715880134
Steam provides free matchmaking and dedicated server infrastructure support go fuck yourself

>>715887561
>It's not a petition.
??

>>715877229 (OP)
STOP THE COUNT

>>715877289
the 400k votes over 1 mil are there precisely to account for any botted votes

>>715889865
a petition is a request to do something and can be ignored with no consequences
an EUCI has the same legal weight as that of the EU parliament and they are obligated to discuss, debate and come to a conclusion about what must be done to address the initiative

>>715879571
NO NO NOT THE HECKING BPOOR MULTIBILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES
WILL NOBODY THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDRES, WHY DOESN'T ANYBODY EVER THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS

>>715877229 (OP)
what will an online poll change? it's not like it's going to enforce actual laws.

>>715880134
Thise are developers problems, not mine. Either sell a service through subscription model(if I buy any skin there you can’t shut it down without refunding me the skin or providing me with a way to access my digital property) OR support the game with EoS patch so that I can keep playing it. Alternatively dont sell the fucking game, thats also an option

>>715890245
nta but I guarantee you EU won't do shit

>>715889865
A petition is a REQUEST for something to be looked at/changed/considered.

The EU initiative Stop Killing Games is a forceful evaluation of the anticonsumer policies devs and publishers by the EU commission.

The initiative, once it garners enough support (1 million signatures, with varying support across multiple countries within the EU, both of which were met), forces the EU to take a close look at, evaluate, and make formal decisions about how the consumer should be treated and to make laws to ensure that transaction between publisher and consumer.

A petition is a lightly-worded document of "p-p-pwEASE listen to us!"

This initiative is a swift kick in the ass to EU parliament to get shit under control and strong-arm them to do so.

>>715890470

>>715884314
You don't like owning stuff? Is it a hassle to own a car, or a house that your children can inherit?

>>715890567
I'm screencapping my previous post for when I am inevitably proven right.

>>715877229 (OP)
oh boy can't wait for the monkeys paw on this

>>715890676
Do you know what a big ask is?

Won what? What changed?

>>715890470
>Forced Google, a titan on its own rights and merits, to bend the knee and stop spying on their consumers and allowing them to opt out of targeted ads
>Forced Apple, another titan, to do the same and to adopt USB-C rather than its shitty proprietary firewire on top of allowing consumers to use iOS as they see fit
>Forced Samsung, yet another titan, to do the same thing


3/3 for the EU you fuckin muppet

>>715890490
>A petition is a lightly-worded document of "p-p-pwEASE listen to us!"
>This initiative is a swift kick in the ass to EU parliament to get shit under control and strong-arm them to do so.
this initiative is an appeal to authority with signatures to do something. Aka: a petition.

>>715877289
You failed math class didn't you?

>>715890490
people really want the guys who want to age restrict the entire internet to get involved in making rules for videogames

>>715890807
Forced apple to actually allow sideloading after they pretended to (((comply))).

as great as this is passing, i hope that Pirate Software's villainous speech "i hope this passes and you get nothing that you wanted" isn't prophecy.

>>715877229 (OP)
what did you win exactly? the right to play the Crew?

>>715890832
Petitions dont require the authority to respond. You can get a billion signatures on change org and they wont do shit because it can be ignored. ECI actually forces EU commission by law to study the issue and give a response

we will beat the allegations?

>>715890797
We WON.
Anon. We. WON.
We fucking won.....
bros.....
Remember one year ago they said it would be impossible....
We FVCKING WON

>>715891175
No, because any law that comes out of this is not retroactive. Pay attention anon.

>>715890490
>A petition is not power. It is the illusion of involvement. The salve of those unwilling or unable to act. If you desire change, you must do more than simply sign your name in a list of the impotent.

>>715890469
How about the option of you just not buying the game if you don't like the deal being offered?

>>715877229 (OP)
Already voted three times, guess I'll make it 4

>>715891674
Not many people understand how deceptive these deals are, that's why it needs to change.

>>715878129
I thought fetish fandoms and uppity hipsters already ruined indie development over a decade ago.

>>715890969
they forced them to change the hardware of all their future phones to usb-c chargers

>>715891674
If everyone must avoid buying X, why should selling X be allowed? Or at the very least not fucked in the ass for it like cigarettes are? Because what you are essentially saying is “yes, this is a scam, but why dont you just skipp it and allow the next person to get scammed instead of making it illegal?”

>>715891768
>think of the children
Just admit you want free shit

>>715892153
Its not a scam though. You buy the game/skin, you get the game/skin. Only thing that could be considered scammy is not being very explicit that it doesn't last forever but I very much doubt anyone under 40 doesn't already understand this as it works similar to say a Netflix subscription, where you don't expect to be able to view every movie for the rest of your life. The proof is how many signatures the petition got. If people didn't already understand what it was about I doubt they would have signed.

>715880498
>I DEMAND!
Correct. Seethe more.

>>715891674
Same reason we prosecute scam artists.
The victim's level of fault is completely irrevelant because the scammer is still in the wrong.

>>715892085
No, thats a different thing. You couldn’t install apps from anywhere except for AppStore on iphones and IPads, then epic vs apple happened which led to EU making a legislation that forbids a platform to make their software a preferred choice(think edge on widows, chrome on andoid phones, safari on iphones, etc). This also touched the application distribution, but for apple devices you could never install things from anywhere except AppStore. Apple circumvented this by creating some faggot process that nobody would to to get an application distributer “certified” for ios so that their shop could be used on ios instead of appstore. EU cocked them up for this (((compliance))) and since few weeks ago you can install apps from wherever the fuck you want on EU iphones and ipads. So thats 4/4 for eu

>>715877229 (OP)
People unironically getting excited over numbers slowly rising on some random petition
You're gonna learn the harsh truth soon enough, that is if it hurts the jews nobody's gonna let you do anything about it

>>715892512
Anon, selling a perpetual license that is not in fact perpetual IS a scam by definition. The only way this can be considered “not scam” is if they put an licence end date, but that turns it into subscription.

>>715893338
Nobody knows how this will end. I'm personally rooting for PirateSoftware getting the last laugh because that would unironically be a good story.

>>715893637
>Nobody knows how this will end
If you have a brain, you'll know exactly how this will end.

>>715878231
based

>>715893338
it's not a petition, you retarded yankee

>>715893618
Again, I doubt anyone doesn't already know this. Regardless, all that's going to happen is they're going to start explicitly stating that its temporary and keep doing what they're doing. The government is not going to force them to keep every game alive forever because then that opens precedent to having to do the same for any other temporary form of media.

>>715893735
EU making basic consumer protection legislation for license ownership transparency that doesn't really impact anyone in a big way? You don't know that's the outcome.

>>715877289
you need to try harder intern. This won't be enough for your division manager to let you suck his cock. He needs you to get him more aroused. Try picking a fight on X next.

>>715893338
Well, yes, you can see it as a petition, but this is not a change.org tier thing, this is an actual government process.
This can make a difference, don't be a stupid defeatist.

>>715878312
>i'm not eu and i signed a couple times just to support the cause
Anon, did you really just admit to having committed voter fraud?
On a place heavily suspected to be directly monitored by the glowies - no less?

EU Citizen Initiatives are a formal part of the democratic process in the EU. Knowingly forging signatures and 'bypassing restrictions' meant to verify your identity and nationality, is classified as voter fraud.

>>715880498
For the millionth time retard. If these pieces of shit you suck cock for don't want to maintain servers, they can give us, the community, the possibility to maintain our own servers.

>>715877229 (OP)
500k fake votes BTW

>>715893618
>selling a perpetual license that is not in fact perpetual IS a scam by definition
Thing is you don't understand what that means. With a game with DRM your licence isn't being revoked since your game isn't being taken away.
Sure it's not a good thing to have DRM in the first place but that's also what you signed up for when you bought a game that blatantly advertised having it.
That's why I don't support skg because it's just supporting ignorance at the end of the day and no matter what you and people like you are going to walk into corporate trap after corporate trap before you take the correct action and actually read before you buy.

And before you say something ridiculous like
>skg is protecting customers by preventing this one specific scam!
What about the next one and the one after that? How far you going to go with this? Until it starts affecting consumer rights?

>>715894472
I think we should ban military style high-capacity assault game servers

>>715894292
their quick response to it was a literal "we know, we don't care lol"

>>715894472
fuck off retard, you're exactly like the muslim immigrants that invade all of europe and come in asking for gibs from the government.

>>715887804
Is he Evil or retarded ?
I genuinely cannot tell which.

>>715894518
NTA, but from a purely philosophical jurisprudence standpoint, I think there's an important principle principle at play. If the company is allowed to do this, can you rightfully call any purchase consensual? You can clearly call a lack of purchase non-consent, but the purchase is so unbalanced I cannot consider it a a consensual agreement. Just because you can reject consent doesn't mean you can reasonably consent.

>>715892157
>free shit
Those are games the company literally will no longer sell, so there is nothing that speaks against releasing the source code and allowing people to run dedicated servers.

You know this, we know this. You have nothing besides helpless screeching and flaccid, limp insults that elicit at most a chuckle from anyone with half a brain.

>>715877229 (OP)
>he thinks it's over at 1.4M
how dumb can you be

>>715881027
European Citizens Initaitives actually are a legal instrument codified in law, closer to a referendum in nature than an open-ended petition.
It's also formally classified as an integral part of the democratic process with all the legal protection and sanctity of electoral votes.
If you fuck around with it, you're committing voter fraud and if incite it at a large enough scale, it might get Europol or Interpol to track you down.

Also- the actual law around these things requires public hearings.
What happens in those is open and verifiable by its very nature, and an ECI cannot be offhand dismissed by 'some old fart glazing over it.'

https://youtu.be/Hnyg1yfAp6E?si=3yXcyj_0tsl9Y-1u

>>715877775
if it's so retarded, why did crypto bros and NFT bros keep trying to steal the artist's identity to keep peddling shitcoins and jpegs with it

>>715877229 (OP)
you lost
they will talk about it for 1.4 seconds and move on

>>715886708
>Well, you guys fucked it up 100 years ago. It's only fair that you fix it.
You're right, we did fuck it up. Should never have allowed the US to gain its independence from the Brits.

>>715894850
>If the company is allowed to do this, can you rightfully call any purchase consensual?
Yes, that's kind of a stupid a stupid question because regardless of what they're selling YOU made that choice to buy it. No one forced you to and they didn't hide the fact that it had DRM.

>Just because you can reject consent doesn't mean you can reasonably consent.
Anon, this isn't sex, this is something you look into before hand.

>>715877289
Screencapping this so we can all laugh at you later

>>715877289
don't you have to put in your id infos when you sign the petition anyway? should limit the botting

>>715877229 (OP)
Everyday we thank the guy who worked at Blizzard for 7 years for this.

>>715889016
You forgot nepo baby and Maldavius Figtree.

>>715895270
You, in fact, cannot look into it beforehand if the company is allowed to make a deal like this to the letter. Get the basic facts correctly.

>>715877229 (OP)
how about Stop Making Bad Games next?

>>715893889
> Again, I doubt anyone doesn't already know this.
Scam existing, even if everyone knows it’s a scam, can only lead to deterioration of the product quality because it puts businesses that don’t do scam at a competitive disadvantage.
>Regardless, all that's going to happen is they're going to start explicitly stating that its temporary and keep doing what they're doing
I doubt it. The subscription model doesn’t relly work for games and fucking around with bad faith compliance with EU laws often leads to finding out
>The government is not going to force them to keep every game alive forever
And that is not really needed, the requirement is to make it work on user side after its dead

>>715895439
>tries to own the "they made me the villain so it would succeed" angle
>everybody calls him a fucking retard and shows him his own vods again
you love to see it

>>715894850
Correct. Whether the purchase is consensual or not is highly debatable, because you don't know WHAT you're actually purchasing.
Game could stop working in 10 years, could stop working in 10 days. No-one knows. Company is free to decide on a whim.

This is why the EU has the 1993/13 Unfair Contract Terms Directive (UCTD) which states that any term in a non individually negotiated contract, that counter to good faith leads to a noteworthy imbalance in the rights and duties under contract for the parties involved, to the detriment of the consumer - could be deemed an unfair term. And that unfair terms may not bind the consumer. I.e. are unenforceable.

The directive also holds an annex of examples of terms of contract that are under all conditions to be considered as unfair.
Among those are any term with the object or effect of binding the consumer to a contract, whereas provision or supply under contract is subject to conditions relying solely on the will of the trader or supplier.

>>715895040
Trvke, this movement will get everything it asked for, but nothing it wanted, just like piratesoftware said.

>>715895270
The Ubisoft EULA literally talks about consent. Did you think Ubisoft had sex with you?

>>715896048
>The Ubisoft EULA
Is a piece of shit that violates bits and pieces of EU legislation every other sentence.
A snippet of it was already broken down line by line a few threads back.

>>715877289
why are retards giving attention to obvious bait jfc

>>715896180
It wouldn't surprise me, it contradicts itself a few times if I recall correctly.

>>715890676
I'm saving it too to post it when you are proven wrong

>>715895968
People taking his own vods to show that he lied about shit he himself said has had to be some of the funniest shit about his edrama
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y03L5KlXDLg

>>715895951
>Scam existing, even if everyone knows it’s a scam, can only lead to deterioration of the product quality because it puts businesses that don’t do scam at a competitive disadvantage
If everyone knows and buys anyway, then its not really a scam, its just what people want to buy. You can't really say it deteriorates quality outside of long term use either, as the model may allow for more and cheaper content overall than if they had to build it the traditional way.

>The subscription model doesn’t relly work for games
It does though, that's why they're making more money than Hollywood.

>And that is not really needed, the requirement is to make it work on user side after its dead
Which still requires effort on the company's part. Its never going to happen. They're just going to state up front its temporary as that's really the only leg this movement has to stand on.

The real part the publishers are terrified of isn't SKG itself, but that EU lawmakers might cast their eyes over the vidya industry and see the other shady shit going on and decide to tackle that as well. SKG could be the opening of pandora's box.

>>715894518
>Thing is you don't understand what that means
Perpetual means perpetual
>With a game with DRM your licence isn't being revoked since your game isn't being taken away.
I don’t know what drm has ro do with it, but your license is being taken away, since you are not able to use core functionality of the software you purchased - play the game.
>Sure it's not a good thing to have DRM in the first place but that's also what you signed up for when you bought a game that blatantly advertised having it.
Majority of people who get phone scammed also willingly transfer their funds to scammers. That doesn’t mean that this is a legitimate way to earn money even if both sides agree to it.
>That's why I don't support skg because it's just supporting ignorance at the end of the day and no matter what you and people like you are going to walk into corporate trap after corporate trap before you take the correct action and actually read before you buy.
The idea of every regulation is to make the desired outcome for consumers also the cheapest one for corporations. You can try and scam people but forced refunds and 20% yearly revenue fine dont really make it the cheapest strategy. On the other hand you can spend 1% more money to implement this and be fully compliant.
>What about the next one and the one after that? How far you going to go with this? Until it starts affecting consumer rights?
Then we will have to go for the next one and the next one until they are done. It is an arms race, yes, but there is no way to solve this the other way, it is either government making regulations to fix scams or the government taking full control of the market to enforce quality control, which is way way worse

>>715895638
Yes, yes you can. Companies not only say if it has drm before going on sale but it's also printed on the box and is in a bright yellow box on a steam page for example this is from Sonic Frontier's steam page and as you can see, it says it uses Denuvo. I haven't purchased that because of the Denuvo and I knew that because it was talked about before hand and it was on the page.

Disregarding it or ignoring it isn't the same thing as the information being withheld from you.

>>715896048
What? Are you under the assumption that the word "consent" is only used with sex or something or did you not realise that the point is that you can't apply the same rules as consenting for sex to buying games?

>>715896737
>there is no other way but government
Do zoomers really?

>>715893181
that's great but the original post was
>>Forced Apple, another titan, to do the same and to adopt USB-C rather than its shitty proprietary firewire

>>715896737
>Perpetual means perpetual
Yes and you still have a perpetual licence regardless of the game being able to connect or not.
Just so you can get a grasp on how this works, do you own any games that were shut down?

>>715877229 (OP)
Ask all 1,300,000+ signers to verify themselves as real people

>>715894292
>eu citizens' initiatives have gotten the vote counts before but have literally never in the history of all of them effected any kind of positive change
>this time will be different
lol, lmao even

>>715896786
>What? Are you under the assumption that the word "consent" is only used with sex or something or did you not realise that the point is that you can't apply the same rules as consenting for sex to buying games?
No, but you saying that makes me think you're not equipped for the conversation. The angle about consent is directly related to both the philosophy behind law and the letter of it. You're the one that thought about sex first.

>>715897087
I am real. I signed the initiative. I have no problem verifying myself as real. Can any corpo verify himself a human is the real question? At this point i am convinced that they are all lizard people who live to make the world a worse place.

>>715896737
>I don’t know what drm has ro do with it,
NTA but DRM is the entire reason why SKG is a thing because a game with it was recently shut down, The Crew. The game itself is still functional except it can't connect to the servers that are only used for DRM.
Do you see why it's relevant now?
>but your license is being taken away, since you are not able to use core functionality of the software you purchased - play the game.
Game functionality and licence ownership are two different things.
If the game doesn't work then you still have tour licence to that broken copy for instance. Your licence hasn't been revoked until they say that
>You (anon) have hereby had your access to (game) revoked. It shall be removed from your digital library and/or you are formally ordered to destroy any physical copies in your possession.
The latter isn't enforceable but you get the point, unless they actually take the game away from you and say you can't access it in any way, that includes booting up to an "unable to connect" screen, you still have your licence.

Get the facts right anon.

>>715896786
>Yes, yes you can.
No, you cannot. This is basically stated in the EULA. It's a logical impossibility that you can. Maybe read the EULA once in your life.

>>715883709
>apparently if it turns out that signatures are botted, entered repeatedly or spelled wrong it can be enough to make the initiative invalid
Only if the total number of legit signatures doesn't reach 1 mil

>>715897087
The ECI demands personal EU documents to let you sign it

>>715897309
>You're the one that thought about sex first.
How are you not getting this? No one said that consent was exclusive to sex but rather that video games aren't a thing that you can consent to purchasing without knowing what it is unlike sex which is unknown to you until you have it.

It's a very simple idea anon.

>>715897365
Ubisoft actually did fully nuke the game and kill the license, it's been flat-out removed from Uplay and hidden in everyone's libraries.

>>715897506
I get what it said, but it makes you seem like you don't get the conversation. I was talking about the idea of consensual agreements as written in law, in the EULA and how they work in jurisprudence. You thought your quip hit, when it was garbage that showed that you don't have a clue.

>>715897450
>This is basically stated in the EULA
You have a screenshot of it showing up outside of an EULA do I have to link the steam page to you?
Also you can read the EULA on steam BEFORE you purchase it too.

>>715897645
Did you read it? What are you buying?

>>715894975
you can call them fags and also because they're trying to cash in on the ""meme""

>>715877734
single player games will be online only if this didnt happen you fat fucking retard

>>715897645
>Please review this End User License Agreement ("Agreement") carefully before INSTALLING, ACCESSING OR UTILISING THE GAME
>no mentions of before purchase or acquisition
they literally admit they don't want you reading it before buying the game
truly revolting

>be Jason
>spawns out of nowhere and gain 2m sub in less than a year and everyone likes him
>immediately destroy his reputation and credibility in the next year

what do we call this strategy?

>>715897612
>I get what it said
You're still making the same mistake and are under the impression that a comparison is a quip. You very clearly do not understand. It's okay to admit that.

Anyway
>I was talking about the idea of consensual agreements as written in law, in the EULA and how they work in jurisprudence.
You didn't cite a law, you claimed that "the purchase is so unbalanced I cannot consider it a a consensual agreement."
But the question, if you thought it was unbalanced from the start why did you consent to the purchase?

>>715898005
The problem with inherited monarchies in microcosm, the wealth and strength built by the father wasted on a retarded self-centered son.

>>715897998
>they don't want you reading it before buying the game
Why would they? That would lead to the goyim finding out how unfair and one-sided the terms are, and that's the last thing corpos want.

>>715897998
You quite literally just quoted it. You have to purchase it to install, access or utilise it.

>>715898013
I didn't cite a law, but it's completely in line with written law. I talked about a concept according to jurisprudence which is the philosophy of law.
Instead of taking the hint, you go for a retarded quip. I'm sorry, you genuinely are incredibly fucking clueless about this topic. Eat humble pie once in your life.

>>715897727
Let's just cut to the chase.
I have to reiterate that I haven't and have no intention of purchasing it and I can see all of this.
I didn't even need to read the whole thing because I can ctrl+f for relevant information.

>>715898129
>You have to purchase it to install, access or utilise it.
no you don't you fucking kike. anyone can hand you a copy of the files. just like you don't need to buy a book to read someone's copy or check it out at the library

>>715898231
>it just says shutdown of online services
it doesn't say "sega will revoke your license when the servers are shut down"
you lost

>>715898231
This isn't my point at ALL. What are you buying?

>>715898267
Anon, that's legally considered a tranferal of rights except in the case of piracy.

>>715898364
>transfer of rights
books forbid lending, reselling, etc. as does software.
of course, the first sale doctrine tells kike publishers to eat shit

>>715898337
>sega will revoke your license when the servers are shut down
That's the point. A shutdown doesn't revoke your licence.
There's yet to be an instance of it.

>>715877229 (OP)
How? It was way below 1 million when I checked it a couple weeks ago

>>715898416
>books forbid lending, reselling, etc. as does software.
Anon, first sale doctrine and library licences are a thing.

You people really are ignorant about the world, aren't you.

>>715897232
>defeatist
Pretty sure that most simply didn't have enough votes.

>>715897450
Reading an EULA? They can change it any time they want. This shit shouldn't be legal at all.

>all those CEOs shivering in absolute fear they might make only 99 million dollaroonies instead of 100 dollaroonies because of this

>>715898430
>A shutdown doesn't revoke your licence.
>There's yet to be an instance of it.
It's literally in Ubisoft's EULA. You accept that the contract is terminated and the license ends, at the moment they decide to end support for a title.

>>715898624
Okay, they can terminate your access to the product. What is the product?

>>715883980
White man's burden. We've been at it for hundreds of years now

>>715898665
>It's literally in Ubisoft's EULA
I doubt that. Judging by what I'm seeing here I doubt that analysis someone mentioned was correct either.

>>715898683
meant for >>715898231

>>715879571
>Implying ownership of things is communist
>Making up obviously fake points not in the petition
>Ignoring that the industry was alive and doing fine for longer than the 'we can remotely disable/destroy your property' recent trend

The sad thing is we know you're not even getting paid to be this much of a faggot, you're just willingly eating the shit for corpos and defending them

>>715898683
>>715898764
How long until you actually read the EULA.

>>715898516
>literally a bot
go away bot

>>715898791
>The sad thing is we know you're not even getting paid to be this much of a faggot
Unfortunately he is. He's an SKG plant who's here to purposely spread FUD for more support.

>>715877229 (OP)
we could go higher, right?
just don't stop voting

>>715877229 (OP)
>Thinking this initiative can do anything, during Late Stage Capitalism, when EU has Russia to worry about and WW3 being on the brink of happening

You won't own shit ever again

>>715894840
Probably both

>>715898860
Admitting you don't have an argument is hard isn't it. You have to screech "h-he's a bot" instead of just accepting you were wrong.

>>715879571
>it will literally kill the gaming industry
Cool!
Shame I can only sign it once

>>715898825
You've actually zoomed out now. What is the product? The license is to use the product. What is the product?

>>715898734
> 8. TERMINATION.
> The EULA is effective from the earlier of the date You purchase, download or use the Product, until terminated according to its terms. You and UBISOFT (or its licensors) may terminate this EULA, at any time, for any reason. Termination by UBISOFT will be effective upon (a) notice to You or (b) termination of Your UBISOFT Account (if any) or (c) at the time of UBISOFT’s decision to discontinue offering and/or supporting the Product. This EULA will terminate automatically if You fail to comply with any of the terms and conditions of this EULA. Upon termination for any reason, You must immediately uninstall the Product and destroy all copies of the Product in Your possession.
> -- https://www.ubisoft.com/legal/documents/eula/en-US

Look bro it was all in the EULA, you just had not to sign it. If you do that means you agree to let the corpo do as they wish as was written in it, fuck your consumer rights

>>715877229 (OP)
nice self-own
Enjoy your 6-15h complete experience single player games without weekly new content
there's no reason for companies to create long lasting player experiences we all used to love

>I hope you get everything you asked for, but nothing you wanted.
genuinely what did he mean by this

>>715899396
probably something about ferret sex

>>715899249
>UBISOFT (or its licensors) may terminate this EULA, at any time, for any reason
>or (c) at the time of UBISOFT’s decision to discontinue offering and/or supporting the Product.
and this is exactly the kind of bullshit SKG will stop

>>715899396
He believes SKG is going about things in the wrong way, is asking the wrong things; is being too vague about them; etc. etc.
and basically is going to end up being monkey-pawed by it.

He's an ancap, so his entire argument basically subsists on 'government evil.'
He's a muppet.

>>715877289
This isn’t an US election

>>715899396
just spite
the movement succeeded so now he wants it to backfire and make the industry worse even though that's a net-negative for everyone
all so in the end he can say "I told you so"

>>715899396
why is he so petty, this retard gets to live life on easy mode and yet he turned out to be such a piece of shit

>>715899490
Exactly.
Not that it's even legal or enforceable under current legislation either.
SKG is just going to serve as an accelerant to shore up the current legislation's enforcement.
A fun side-effect of which is that it WILL apply retro-actively. Since the law already was the law.

Best corpos could hope for is bargaining for an amnesty clause ...

>>715899249
Now anon, read this carefully
>Termination by UBISOFT will be effective upon (a) notice to You or (b) termination of Your UBISOFT Account (if any) or (c) at the time of UBISOFT’s decision to discontinue offering and/or supporting the Product.
Has anyone been told that their licence has been revoked?

>>715899692
It's BECAUSE he got to live life on easy mode.
Good times breed weak men, remember?

>>715899774
>(a) notice to You
>(b) termination of Your UBISOFT Account (if any)
>(c) at the time of UBISOFT’s decision to discontinue offering and/or supporting the Product.
I don't know what point you're making, but that's one of three options

>>715899774
You should read carefully yourself, anon.
Note the OR there - indicating just (c) alone is enough to terminate the license agreement?

>>715899249
You know that this part
>The EULA is effective from the earlier of the date You purchase, download or use the Product, until terminated according to its terms.
Refers to this right?
Those are the "any" reasons.

Thor debunked this

>i want to play the crew forever!
holy yikes. imagine the outcry once WoW gets taken offline officially.

>>715899396
He's a retard who thinks he's a genius. He is so retarded the he doesn't understand what skg is about, and as a result thinks people who support it actually support something else entirely. He's a colossal fucking idiot. He words are meaningless beyond him trying to appear smart and cool

piratesoftware leaked his dms with mod Khronos during his Hype train world record on April 1st 2024, where they collude to artificially boost the hype train's numbers.

>>715898665
>>715898734
>>715899249
>>715899490
>>715899767
>>715899774
>>715899903
>>715899991
>>715900173
None of you have posted an instance of Ubisoft revoking rights.

>>715896552
>If everyone knows and buys anyway, then its not really a scam, its just what people want to buy
Not really, if you want to play games you often have no choice other than agree to this scam. Even buying physical copies these days doesn’t do shit because you are expected to download half the game online, while vidya piracy holds on 2 trannies. This is not what people are ok with, this is what people must agree to to interact with the industry
>You can't really say it deteriorates quality outside of long term use either, as the model may allow for more and cheaper content overall than if they had to build it the traditional way.
The long term use is exactly what has deteriorated. Also, where is this “cheaper” comes from? What would be a single 60$ games before is 80$ +3x 30$dlcs now with battlepass and skin shops.
>It does though, that's why they're making more money than Hollywood.
They’ve tried this back when wow was blasting and it didn’t work. It vastly increases player requirements and risks of failure. If youre thinking streaming services you’re a bit wrong here because the equivalent of streaming service would be something like gamepass where you get a lot of different games for a price of subscription and even as such its profitability is highly questionable, it took netflix 10 years to turn to profit, and gamepass just burns MS money right now. The equivalent of WoW subscription model would be a single tv show charging you subscription fee for being able to watch this week episode.
>Which still requires effort on the company's part. Its never going to happen.
They can turn it into subscription but that is a huge extra risk. If you need 60M$ to recoup the game cost - then you need 1 million of players to purchase it once and everything else is profit. make that a 10$ subscription fee instead, you need an average of 1 million players for 6 months

>>715900173
Fails to address the "or (c)" part.

>>715881635
The vast majority of states do require photo ID to vote, yes.

>if you support this, it will kill the industry
>if you support this, live-service games will stop being made
>if you support this, it will kill AAA game companies
PLEASE XIR, STOP, ANY MORE ERECT AND IT WILL BE A MEDICAL EMERGENCY

>>715900323
For whatever reason this isn’t gaining any traction on this board. I tried talking about it when the news dropped and it went so long without a reply I literally thought I could be shadowbanned

Some weird op going on her to suppress this information

>>715900531
No, no you haven't. To this day we haven't had a single termination.

This type of disingenuous argument about words in some eula is irrelevant.
EU law does not care about the eula at all. A fart has the same value.

>>715896552
>If everyone knows and buys anyway, then its not really a scam,
yes it is you corporate jew bootlicker
people hate the terms and find them abusive. people install pdf readers that read your contacts, ask for access to the internet, location data, diagnostics info, a scan of your iris, etc. that doesn't mean it's justified or ok

>>715900846
It's because no one cares about some hazbin YouTuber outside of you skg dipshits.

>>715900928
>yes it is you corporate jew bootlicker
I find it funny that you're calling him a Jewish bootlicker but you're the one calling it a scam because you can't find anything that was withheld from you before purchase.

>>715900903
Piss and shit your pants all you want, but a contract is a contract. You signed the it, and what it says stands no matter what.

>>715896706
Good, Gacha games need to be tackled.

>>715901075
This is not how EU law works.

>>715896884
There is no way to actually control a corpo without gov influence. MS needs to make 20 000 complete failure AAA games with a budget of 200mil and 0$ revenue to go bankrupt. Go on, vote with your wallet by not purchasing a 60$ copy.
>>715896995
The core functionality of the game is playing the game, not looking at menu screen or seeing can’t connect error. If core functionality can’t be accessed then the either the license has been revoked or the company fraudulently denies your right to use said license.

>you signed the EULA
>we can do whatever we want with you

>>715901142
>The core functionality of the game is playing the game
Owning a licence has nothing to do with the core functionality, you still own the product and it hasn't been taken from you nor have you been ordered to destroy it.

>>715901139
If you sign a contract, you do what it says.

>>715901193
Yeah yeah, we know that most SKGers get their information from cartoons, tell us something we don't know.

>>715901374
upvoted sister

>>715901075
>>715901139
It’s not the way any western contract law works. I believe the word in the US is “unconscionable”. You can have a contract term in a contract that although agreed to is so egregious the courts won’t enforce it.
It’s why all these fuckers put arbitration clauses into EULAs to try and stay out of court. But ironically the arbitration clause itself is often found unconscionable because you can’t agree in a contract to oust the jurisdiction of courts

>>715901374
tell 'em thor

>>715901048
You can sign a contract that says the company is allowed to format your PC. No court in the world will accept it.
Same with this stealing your games bullshit

>>715901142
>there is no way to control something that runs on money by not giving them money
??? Yes my 1 vote can't outweigh everyone else, but if enough people want it enough to keep it supported, its a little selfish to try get my own will enforced on everyone else don't you think?

Honestly this first like a fucking punny victory if we can't stop the Steam shit.

>>715901343
Again, this is not how EU law works.
An eula doesn't even count as a contract, and neither does accepting the terms count as signing it, btw.

>>715901374
It's kind of rich that people say this, but they can't immediately say what the product is when I ask.

>>715890676
>proven wrong
>doubles down
Keep going, slave.

>>715899396
when you fuck the girl he loves and he says it to the girl after she leaves him for you

>>715877229 (OP)
I wouldn't celebrate yet. A larger portion of the votes than usual may be from non-europeans given twitch retards involvement.

>>715900846
I don’t think people really give a shit about twitch records. I didn’t even know it was a title he held until yesterday-ish.

>>715901343
I put my name on nothing.

>>715901343
Why would Ubisoft write this in their EULA?
>10.2 Severance. If any court of competent jurisdiction or competent authority finds that any provision of this EULA is invalid, illegal or unenforceable, that provision or part-provision shall, to the extent required, be deemed to be deleted, and the validity and enforceability of the other provisions of this EULA shall not be affected. If any invalid, unenforceable or illegal provision of this EULA would be valid, enforceable and legal if some part of it were deleted, the provision shall apply with the minimum modification necessary to make it legal, valid and enforceable to reflect UBISOFT’s initial intentions.

>>715901487
Which Steamy shit are you talking about now?

>>715901719
lmao
pure evil "fuck you" attitude
i cant wait until eu rapes ubisoft

>>715901414
Hate to break it to you but "unconscionable" doesn't mean, "because I'm butthurt" it means unreasonable and in this case it would be both keeping the servers on permanently and also giving consumers server software that may compromise other games or belong to other companies.
In fact it would be reasonable to assume that servers would eventually go down especially given we have many, many instances of that happening prior and honestly, unless everyone in the EU is completely braindead that's going to be the main hurdle.

>>715901075
So, if the EULA said that you have to give them your home and kill you parents, you will do it because "you signed a contract"?
They can even change the EULA anyday after you bougth the game.
EU needs so do something about these corponiggers.

>>715901374
>you signed a contract
>we can do whatever we want to do

>>715901895
>in this case it would be both keeping the servers on permanently

>>715901901
>They can even change the EULA anyday after you bougth the game.
They can't actually change the EULA of a product after the fact, the can make new ones for new products but the one for that game is going to be the same on release as it is 100 years from now.

>>715894975
>if it's so retarded, why did retards...

>>715901606
It isn't just a Twitch record though, he violated ToS with deceptive practice and artificially inflating channel stats, and may even have committed fraud
>okay I'll give you money to pay back to me to trick other people into paying me money
Only corporations are allowed to do that shit.

>>715901901
If you don't uphold your end, you get sued for breach of contract. Simple as.
If you can't comply, don't sign.

>>715900286
>he doesn't understand what skg is about
He understands perfectly well what it's about. The proposal is so straightforward that even a retarded monkey would get it immediately.
He is just on the corpo side because that's how he makes his cozy living. Parasites tend to dislike it when you cut their life support.

>>715901895
>keeping the servers on permanently
Never asked
>giving server software that might compromise
If it compromises anything, it’s because you made it badly in the first place. Nobody cares if your exploits are revealed.

>>715878231
A vast majority of the people in the world arnt white, why would we give a shit especially after all the pure evil whites caused LOL

>>715901895
>"unconscionable" doesn't mean, "because I'm butthurt" it
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/unconscionability
>Unconscionability is a defense against the enforcement of a contract or portion of a contract. If a contract is unfair or oppressive to one party in a way that suggests abuses during its formation, a court may find it unconscionable and refuse to enforce it.
>There are two types of unconscionability in contracts, procedural and substantive.
>1. Procedural unconscionability is present when during the contract’s formation, at least one party does not have fair/meaningful choice, there’s misrepresentation, or unequal bargaining power among other factors.
>2. Substantive unconscionability is when the contract’s terms unfairly benefit/harm one side such as extremely unequal price compared to value exchanged.
>A contract is most likely to be found unconscionable if both unfair bargaining and unfair substantive terms are shown. An absence of meaningful choice by the disadvantaged party is often used to prove unfair bargaining. For example, in Jones v Star Credit, the Court refused to enforce a contract that charged three times the market value of an appliance to a low-income plaintiff, with significantly unequal education and experience compared to the defendant, by finding the contract unconscionable.
Uh oh.
>at least one party does not have fair/meaningful choice
>unequal bargaining power
>the contract’s terms unfairly benefit/harm one side
Uh oh corporate shill, uh oh.

>>715902113
If whitey cut aid, half of the world would starve retard.

>>715901253
PMOOMU

>>715878312
>i'm not eu and i signed a couple times just to support the cause
You know you just fucked up, right?

>>715902174
>he thinks courts in civilised countries side with commies
You are about to get one cold dose of reality you 3rd world macaque shitter.

>>715902387
>go from saying contracts are binding no matter what
>get proven wrong
>have to start arguing that contracts aren't binding no matter what but you won't win in court!!!!
Concession accepted. Another shill scalp for my collection

>>715902387
>communism is when you own what you pay for

>>715902387
>USA
>Civilized
get real

>>715902174
Anon, you haven't made an argument here. Citing a law is all well and good but you do need to actually understand it for example
>at least one party does not have fair/meaningful choice,
You did, you had the choice to buy it or not. It was lever forced on you.
>there’s misrepresentation
All of the information about the game, including the EULA and existence of drm, was available to you prior to buying.
>or unequal bargaining power among other factors.
This just isn't applicable since there is no bargaining on either side
>Substantive unconscionability is when the contract’s terms unfairly benefit/harm one side such as extremely unequal price compared to value exchanged.
You aren't being harmed in any way and it was priced at the standard industry rate for a game sold at retail.

Again, unconscionable doesn't mean you're butthurt.

>>715900323
Isn't Khronos also the "copyright lawyer" who pirate wanted to use to go into a lawsuit against someone he DMCA'd for a bogus reason
That man must be violently deep into Jason's pants I swear

>>715902387
>communism is when there's a paragraph with lot of technical jargon

>>715902625
>>at least one party does not have fair/meaningful choice,
>You did, you had the choice to buy it or not.
Yes anon cos that's how that works. Agree to the terms imposed on you or have nothing is a fair and meaningful choice.
>>there’s misrepresentation
>All of the information about the game...
You'll note I didn't quote the bit about misrepresentation in the latter half of the post, because I didn't allege it to be relevant. You're deflecting.
>>or unequal bargaining power among other factors.
>This just isn't applicable since there is no bargaining on either side
Kek there is no bargaining, you're fucking right about that, and that's a problem.
To have a valid contract you need something called "consensus ad idem". Now I know Latin is a lot for low IQ shills to take in, but it essentially means "meeting of the minds". Both parties have to agree to something. One party stating what the terms will be without the other party having any power to suggest different terms is unequal bargaining power.
>>Substantive unconscionability is when the contract’s terms unfairly benefit/harm one side such as extremely unequal price compared to value exchanged.
>You aren't being harmed in any way and it was priced at the standard industry rate for a game sold at retail.
Why would industry standard pricing have anything to do with whether one side is benefitted and the other is harmed by the revocation of purchase for any reason and without notice?

>>715902002
You can delete this now. I will not let real examples get in the way of me misrepresenting SKG to see it fail.

>>715902751
He may have represented himself that way to Maldavius, or Maldavius may have been lying to make him sound more intimidating.
But no, Khronos at that time wasn't even a lawyer in the UK (as I understand it), let alone a lawyer in the US. I believe I've heard he was just a UK law graduate. So he has a degree and that's all.
Whether he knows anything about copyright is up in the air. A lot of western countries do actually adhere to common principles of copyright, although the UK system had to capitulate to the EU system, and I don't know how similar EU is to US. Similar enough that Europe and the US share media back and forth without barriers at least.

>>715897365
>NTA but DRM is the entire reason why SKG is a thing because a game with it was recently shut down, The Crew. The game itself is still functional except it can't connect to the servers that are only used for DRM.
>Do you see why it's relevant now?
Still no? The problem was that ubisowft reworked the crew licenses from everyone and shipped crew 2, the problem with drm were fixed a year ago by a server emulator
>If the game doesn't work then you still have tour licence to that broken copy for instance. Your licence hasn't been revoked until they say that
In terms of crew they did say that, I doubt it can work the way you say because they could be viable for violation of contract in that case(the license is there but you arent allowed to access licensed content) while rewoking licence takes care of that
>The latter isn't enforceable but you get the point, unless they actually take the game away from you and say you can't access it in any way, that includes booting up to an "unable to connect" screen, you still have your licence.
Didn’t ubisoft have the clause in EULA that you must uninstall the game, all installers and destroy you physical copies upon your license being rewoked? Lol

>>715877229 (OP)
Daily reminder nothing came of this.

>>715903342
>came
>past tense
It hasn't even finished yet. End of July.

>>715877289
cope more little bitch

>>715902625
>we're selling you a product
>read this EULA, you agree to it by installing the game
>we can revoke your license for any reason
>we can just deem your license unprofitable and revoke it
What a fair and balanced deal.
It makes anyone squint if you understand the full meaning of license. I don't think a license to use a video game should be fully revocable once sold. Access to online services being revocable? I can get behind that idea.

>>715896706
They could have avoided all of it by not being such greedy cunts

>>715879571
>they basically demand that the devs keep up the game's servers and everything up and running at a budgetary deficit
You're already lying, I'm not reading further
Good luck next time

>>715877229 (OP)
based, GL Ross hope the Nothing Ever Happens demon doesn't come for you too
>>715877289
nice guaranteed replies my good faggot

>>715903342
Anon, the gathering of signatures part of the initiative is not even over yet. After that the EU people will start doing research on the subject and only after they've done that they will give an answer that may result in legislation.

>>715898624
They aren't in the eu, they are completely unenforceable because they know no one reads them

These companies could just sell a years' license to play a game for 20 bucks. What's the issue?

>>715877229 (OP)
NOT SO FAST CHUDS

>>715904094
people don't like, and by that I mean absolutely HATE, not owning stuff

>>715903047
>Agree to the terms imposed on you
That's the thing, they aren't imposed on you. You have a choice, you're not a
You know what I'm going to stop writing that sentence and just leave it unfinished because it's kind of obvious that you are.
> I didn't quote the bit about misrepresentation
And you'll notice that I don't care, the I'm trying to make is that there's no avenue here for you to call it unconscionable. And no, that's not deflecting if it's on topic and related to the argument, especially if I answered the rest of the argument.
>and that's a problem.
No, no it's not. Like I said there's no bargaining on either side, they can't demand more of you and vice versa and as such your bargaining abilities are equal.
Your "meeting of the minds', not that you used that phrase correctly in this context, doesn't need to happen because both of you have an understanding of the contract you're getting into.
Of course, that means if you lied that's all on you.
>Why would industry standard pricing have anything to do with whether one side is benefitted
Because there's benefit to the company and harm to you which is why it was used as an example.
Also revoking the product for something you did, isn't harmful to you and that's the only reason you can have your licence revoked, abuse.
DRM wouldn't fall under this either since not only is your licence not getting revoked when a game shuts down there's no misunderstanding about that for it to be deemed harmful. >>715904205

>>715898005
Being a big enough narcissist to fall for your own lies. Dude's a self declared "manipulative mastermind".

>>715904205
You can use 120 dollars to own a game or 20 dollars for a 6 month license. Be real, which one?

>>715904205
And yet they signed an initiative that basically enables lack of ownership by not targeting streaming games. Hell it everything goes right they'll still be able to shut down a game and shovel out a new version of that same game because it's not specifically about owned copies.

>>715904395
>wait til $120 version is 85% off
>game for $18, no gay time limits
would you look at that

>>715904205
Sorry about that, didn't mean to reply just misclicked just before it posted

>>715904395
Nta but gamepass has halted it's growth entirely.
Going by the current figures there's about only 35 million or so retards that would go with that.
Is that enough to keep your insanely bloated gamedev budgets going?

>>715877229 (OP)
WE MUST SEIZE THE MEANS OF PLAYING VIDEOGAMES

>>715904582
Game pass is a retarded idea. It's too expensive to make make sense. 20 dollar game rentals? That's way more reasonable and it works. Skin the pigs with a thousand cuts.

>>715904514
>He doesn't buy games on release or pre-order them
Just admit your poor

>>715894421
>>715902342
Again, i'm not eu you retards
Their laws don't affect me, worse they can do is null my votes

>>715904514
Here's the beauty. You're only going to buy games that suck ass that way. Supply and demand, baby.

1.4 mil is not happening or I'll eat my entire ass

>>715904751
Gamepass is effectively nu-rentals you retard, everything's digital now.
Point is you have a very limited market cap while entitled devs insist in ever increasing budgets. It isn't sustainable.

>>715901456
>?? Yes my 1 vote can't outweigh everyone else, but if enough people want it enough to keep it supported, its a little selfish to try get my own will enforced on everyone else don't you think?
Anon, ive given you a pretty simple example, but let me make you understand the gravity of the situation we’re in. Microsoft gaming owns 40 games studios. Assuming UE5 slop and perfect performance a studio can shit out one AAA game every 2 years or so. That’s 20 games per year. It will take 1000 years of ABSOLUTELY NOBODY buying MS games to bankrupt them.
>b-but the decision to be more consumer-friendly will be way earlier than bankruptcy!
Ubisoft was on the brink of the collapse this march. Would you call them consumer-friendly? Lol. And remember, this doesn’t account for government bailouts.

>>715904676
YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR SKINS

>>715904878
Are you going to shut down all the streamers and let's players to trick people into that? What about when they're somewhere you can't do a thing about, like China or Russia?

>>715904926
I think you're incredibly stupid. Game pass is a retarded model because it's too fair for the consumer. It's not sustainable, because the monthly cost is way too small.

>>715905081
Says the retard that isn't running a multi billion dollar corporation
Cry more faggoli

>>715904907
Do you need a spoon or...?

>>715902751
>khronos was a ferret all along

>>715905080
HAHAHAHAHAHA
You think you can't be tricked into that?
You're in for a rude surprise. Remember what I said here and think about it in 10 years.

>>715905237
I pirate games.
You have no argument for that.

>>715904969
>government bailouts
Is it still a government bailout when the government have been paying for all of Ubisoft's bills for over a decade?

>>715905292
LOOOOOL YU UR ARE THE PAYPIGGIE SIR LOOOOOL YUUUU POOR LOOOL YOUR BROWN LOOOOOOOL

>>715877229 (OP)
Very white

>>715905292
You're the one that doesn't have an argument in that case since you're not even a consumer. You're irrelevant.
Regardless, you still chose to play some utterly abysmal games for some reason.

>>715905379
White people move on. Only broke 3rd worlders play obsolete, busted old games.

>>715905292
>>715905370
Did you just reply to yourself?

>>715904969
If you don't buy bad product you don't get bad product but keep your money its that simple. The corpo behind the "bad product" doesn't have to go bankrupt for this trick to work. Microsoft not going bankrupt doesn't mean you have to buy their games.

Also i have no idea why microsoft would keep throwing money at games if its a loss to them. Commies are so delusional.

Another thing i want to say is that yes, if you spend all your money things that don't last you will own nothing. Stop doing that mongol. And no you don't need the government for that. You have freewill.

>>715905512
So you're for SKG then?

>>715905203
ENTIRE ASS

>>715900846
Zero meme potential. No one actually cares about the guy as far as SKG is concerned, we're just chuckling at the edits on the side while making AAA developers cry. Call back when it's some Maldavius Figtree-tier goodness.

>>715878231
>tfw people would rather sign an initiative to spite one annoying douchebag then to preserve video games
FTFY. The fact SKG didn't go anywhere until Ross responded to PS and after he'd destroyed his reputation over a WoW raid says more about human psychology then it does anything else.

>>715904262
>That's the thing, they aren't imposed on you. You have a choice, you're not a
>You know what I'm going to stop writing that sentence and just leave it unfinished because it's kind of obvious that you are.
Anon I would love for you to go into court and say "how can my contract possibly be unfair, everyone who agree to it had the choice of having nothing instead"
Do you think that would work for housing? Utilities? Phone service?

>>715877734
I mostly backed it to keep my digital games. If companies are going to kill physical I'm not going to let them kill ownership with it
>>715879571
For the record even the EU officials that have responded so far don't believe this
A Belgian MEP said this
>We therefore support the call for regulations that oblige publishers to leave video games in a usable state after support ends, for example, by offering an offline mode or providing a clear end-of-life plan. Ending support should not automatically mean the end of the fun or the right of access for those who paid for it.
Then there's the eu vice president that said this
>Ștefănuță said in the video, "I stand with the people who started this citizen initiative. I signed and will continue to help them. A game, once sold, belongs to the customer, not the company."

>>715902625
I like how you completely ignored the "change at any moment without notice" or "revoke for any reason without compensation" bits when you addressed the harm part. Very classy.

>>715877229 (OP)
>my corpo-overlords can't delete games anymore

>all these people unironically shilling against the most basic of consumer rights
Are you at least getting paid for this or something? Imagine being so pathetic that you try to make something like this a culture war thing.

>>715906337
A game is "sold" and "belongs" to the customer upon physically receiving it on a disk, not when you borrow it via a virtual license.

>>715906461
>Are you at least getting paid for this or something?
No, it's far far worse. They feed on the attention they get by opposing the popular thing. They don't care about being right they literally just want to see if they can wear you down by being evasive and forcing you to correct statements they knew to be false or misleading when they made them.
It's like a game to people like that. A digital "you can't catch me!"

>>715906657
Not how it works here in the civilized part of the world :^)
When you invent indoor plumbing you'll understand.

>>715888204
>We lost a lot of blood for our liberties and progress
You killed each other like a bunch of retarded baboons in 2 world wars because muh imperial pride muh democracy gotta serve m8 just how it is

Now the Jews own you like a freak on a leash

>>715904820
>has never heard of interpol

>>715877289
you need a state electronic ID to vote

>>715904878
>You're only going to buy games that suck ass that way
>Popular = Good

>>715906717
They'll be doing that shit even as they're lead to camps, people like that are a genetic dead end.

When it goes red to brussels we tread.

>>715879571
>demand that the devs keep up the game's servers and everything up and running at a budgetary deficit
they're not. they're literally not. IDK why this is so hard for brown people to understand. That has never been the purpose of this initiative.

>>715906910
>>715905237
;)))

>>715906657
Anon, in the EU you can own digital goods. They are not like the USA.

>>715907025
You. Are. Brown.

>>715907046
You can not own something digital are you this stupid?????

>>715878231
Taking back what the white race first owns is a stepping stone to saving it.

>>715899692
>>715899878
https://www.twitch.tv/yearjoy/clip/ThirstyDignifiedGoldfishOpieOP-XY4ha9yHY_SGGdF_

>>715907173
>You can not own something digital are you this stupid?????
You can, google it up. It is even legal to resell digital goods in the EU. I am not shitting you.

>>715907173
Guess you don't own your personal data then. And I think I'll be taking all the photos and private details from your computer. After all, you don't own any of that it's digital.

>>715877229 (OP)
based

I'm glad Ross effort is working

>>715907717
Nta but that recently happened to some rerard youtube that had all his family photos saved ONLY to his google drive

>>715908262
If data is lost or destroyed, that's a different matter. Google cannot remove your access to that shit without allowing you to back it up.

>>715908262
Best one of those retard stories is still the dude that used youtube as his VOD cheese stash, thinking he'd be safe if he set all the videos to private.

>>715907024
I didn't notice they updated the site with a new tracker. Looks tacky, honestly. Anyway, Finland better hit 700% before it closes.

>>715877229 (OP)
Holy shit it's HAPPENING

>>715877229 (OP)
You've been saying you won for the past 2 weeks. Winner's don't need to repeat it every day.

>>715908750
I don't need to, I choose to

>>715879716
>literally post
>not retarded
What the hell?

>>715908472
>Google cannot remove your access to that shit without allowing you to back it up.
They did though, Muta/someordinarygamer did a video on it.
Facebook does the same
Biy games on GOG, not steam before they start pulling this shit in gaming too

gamers won, take a piss, contrarian newnime niggers

>>715879343
Dropped the mask pretty quick there, anon. If you don't like the law, don't make the game.

>>715893338
What did the jews gain by the EU hammering Intel with massive fines, you retard? The same Intel that does half its stuff in israel.

>There is enough legitimate votes to reach one million
>EA bribes enough officials to discard the vote
I can't be the only one who sees this right? What's stopping them from saying that the user typed S instead of Z, that they put in their birthday wrong, etc etc, even if the user put them all correctly? Looking stupid is really easy to do, especially if you have every reason to be.

>>715908884
This unironically. Buy your games on GOG to support the DRM free model and save your games on external drives. I have 1 external 3TB drive and it stores all my GOG games currently ontop of all the games i burned to DVDs or have on a flash drive.

>>715909702
P.S. and i have something like 700 games on GOG so depending on how many games you have an how many of them are new(new games go from 50GB up to 100GB+) you might need more storage. Older games can be less than 1 GB or even smaller.

>>715909398
What do you think the extra 400k is for?

>>715908884
Social media sites are not data storage sites, they have no obligation to preserve or store the shit you put on there, especially since it's fucking free.

Were you being vague about this shit on purpose? It was very misleading.
No shit social media sites don't have to indefinitely store the shit you put on there, they're not data storage services. If the service offered is data storage (and you can pay for this via Google) then they do have to store the shit you put there and you do own it.
Same with videogames. If you buy it, you own it.
Game studios are trying to do something that's in between goods and services where they charge you full price up front for the goods, maybe even sell you digital goods in-game, but then treat it like a service by hosting everything to make your purchase necessary and cutting access to it whenever they feel like, all while avoiding application of regulations on services.

I genuinely believe you're not trolling anon, because your misunderstanding is so sad.
You heard a story about social media sites not being some free data storage repository and took this to mean you can't own anything digital. That's genuinely sad that you were so badly mistaken.

Why don't they make a Stop Killing the White Race petition?

>>715879571
fuck the industry though, nothing of value is being produced at this point

>>715910079
Any EU citizen can make an ECI petition for whatever they fancy so the real question is why dont (you) do it

>>715901075
>You signed
really? where is my name on it?

>>715910247
Because India isn't in the EU, and thank god for that.

>>715909702
There is a list out there to be fair, of steam sold games that can run without steam straight from the executable

>>715910047
This reads like a bot post, or some actual schizo making up a bunch of nonsense I never said or claimed.
The original post was about some retard youtuber storing his family photos only on google drive, his access to them being revoked along with all his google accounts. Not about the hows and whys of this retard using only google drive to store stuff on. You're either a bot or someone with a vivid imagination and incredible narcissim, and rather poor reading comprehension.

>>715910414
How many garbage piles visible from your hovel street shitter?
We've got cleaner gutters than your "holy" river lmao

>>715909398
Apple has thrice or more the money of EA and they couldnt do this with their dogshit outdated cable.
I can't even imagine how much money one would need to bribe the EU officials after this.

>>715908480
Explain why this wouldn't work and how he got caught

>>715911169
Explain how you think storing something on the cloud, aka someone elses servers, makes it private?
Do zoomers really not understand how cloud technology works. Its not some magical aether, its other computers. Servers to be exact.

>>715911304
Not an argument

>>715911169
You do know youtube is owned by google, right? Also, filenames and hashes. If he's dumb enough to store that on a google owned platform without so much as packing it up in archives, there's no way he'd even think of changing either.

how hard is it to understand that SGK is not mandating any specific methodology for compliance?
how publishers comply in the FUTURE is up to them
and how the fuck are people still claiming it'll require endless support?

>>715911304
>>715911479
How did he get caught? Did Google straight up admit to snooping through private uploads? I think they'd rather keep the cp than do that

>>715911169
every single website that gives a shit runs a hidden hash check that you cannot circumvent. those video of yours are all in there

>>715911781
>Did Google straight up admit to snooping through private uploads?
bro lmfao. You zoomers cant be this fucking dumb right?

>>715906805
>>715907046
>>715907440
You don't own shit commies.
You lost.

>>715911781
Yes? Did you miss all the "save da kids" bills over the past decade mandating that they need to actively monitor for csam and report it?
4chan falls under the same laws, try posting some right now if you don't believe me.

>>715911948
4chan and all of its archives run a LLM image detection software that will outright nuke whatever image you post if its deemed wrong

>>715902113
White hands typed this post.

>>715912109
And yet shit still sometimes gets through on the usual boards.
Maybe we should double the jannies salaries and they'll actually start doing something, HAW

>>715910817
>This reads like a bot post, or some actual schizo making up a bunch of nonsense I never said or claimed.
Oh fuck off you faggot.
You said you can't own digital things and then pointed to social media posts as proof. You're fucking dented.

>>715880243
You're right, I don't care, but if i can ruin the day to some grubby hand-rubbing CEO that encourages malpractice for a couple more yacts i'm all for it.

>>715906187
Except you wouldn't be in court arguing that they were unfair, you'd be in court trying to argue that you didn't have a choice but to accept.

>>715913029
>buy a thing
>get served a contract after you've already bought it that you are forced to accept or denied the thing

>>715912681
I said no such thing you schizo.
I said that some retard youtuber stored his stuff on google drive and had his access to them removed the post is in this very thread so stop trying to make stuff up.

>>715913098
No. You. Said. That. No. One. Can. Own. Digital. Things.

>>715910538
Sorry but i prefer the GOG offline installers. Already packed and ready to be stored. I also hate Steam since i've had problems with Denuvo games there which is why i moved to GOG fully.

>>715907340
>I don't think I abused him...Probably should have. He probably would have turned out better.
Holy fucking shit lmao, how bad do you have to fuck up to make your dad (who's a non confrontational pussy) say some shit like that?

>>715877229 (OP)
>Ross had already given up on this initiative
>literally gets an anime tier comeback at the very end
Basado.

>>715913458
All because he finally shittalked one fucking retard who got everything wrong rather than be a professional about it.
>I think he's the kind of person who would argue for the divine right of kings

what is the actual goal?

the only sensible thing would be to try and make it so any game that requires an online connection either

-patches the game to be single-player enabled
-releases P2P server stuff

>>715906851
you have no clue how easy it is to fake that

>>715913613
>-patches the game to be single-player enabled
>-releases P2P server stuff
thats basically it yes. Essentially just make always-online games playable offline and if they happen to be online focused then maybe give people a way to host servers like TF2

>>715913613
>what is the actual goal?
to stop publishers from designing games in such a way that allows them to completely remove your access to the game at end-of-life

>>715913392
Fair enough. I only use steam sometimes for the mods on the workshop myself, like with starbound or left4dead

>>715913079
The contract is your purchase, not the EULA. Even then you can read it before you buy it.

>>715913915
My purchase did not force me to sign at the moment of exchange of currency, and then sprung an actual contract on me after the fact. That's clearly bad business.

>>715913915
It's kind of sad that people have convinced themselves that the EULA is a legally binding contract rather than something that explains your rights and their rights.

>>715879571
>it will literally kill the gaming industry

>>715913978
>My purchase did not force me to sign at the moment of exchange of currency,
Anon, a signature isn't the only means of agreement. You exchanged money, that is you agreeing to a contract.

>>715902113
swarths 100% rely on "evil whites" to even live outside of trashheaps and mudhuts. They practically worship the "small hats" that brought them in and gave them welfare gibs. The reason why swarths are relevant because they make great voter cattle and would mindlessly vote for their own demise without giving it a single thought.

>>715913985
Blame burgerstan, we have some bad common law precedence that supports post-purchase EULAs being binding.

>>715877229 (OP)
1 million botted signatures

Pirate Software won, chuds lost.

>>715914363
The contract that I actually need to agree to in order to play the game is sprung on me after the fact.

>>715914487
1.4 million botted signatures, thank you.

>>715913978
>>715914529
The purchase is the agreement, retard.
You people are the most Jewish bastards ever.

>>715914609
just like how your bits twitch record was helped by your sissy lawyer

>>715914229
This is people's lives and livelihoods here what is wrong with you

>>715914630
The purchase doesn't allow me to use my product. If I bought The Crew, I still couldn't play it.

>people making a petition to demand game developers and companies be required to keep game servers online forever

How is this reasonable to you people?

>>715913402
The best part about that clip is that it's from 8 months ago, so it's not even a reaction to the recent hate he's getting

>>715914712
You can't buy it anymore, dumbass. That's not an argument.
If you bought it while it was up you entered a contract knowing that there was a chance it could free shut down based on the existence of drm.

>>715914795
Eat my entire ass.

>>715914795
That's the cost of copyright protections

>>715914795
it's not reasonable. that's why it's not what's being asked.

>>715914884
Shut up incel adults are talking

>>715914795
>>715914712
Ever notice how there's a post saying
>you can't expect them to keep the servers on!
Any time an SKG supporter is proven wrong and a bunch of "people" immediately swarm it?

>>715914630
None of these come with a 500 page contract after you already paid, that explains that fuck you, you own nothing.

>>715914874
Those terms are not acceptable

>>715913613
Pretty much. It's nothing wild. A few videogame studios have done that on their own without the need for an outside push. So there are already example of developers doing this. Videogame publishers like Ubisoft are sadly extremely greedy and anti-consumer.

>>715914874
None of those terms are outlined on purchase. Not one of them. You can't have someone buy a shipment of steel and hand them scraps of rust with the disclaimer "Well steel rusts bro you know this everyone knows it"

>>715914945
It's almost as if the contract is your purchase.

>>715915071
My purchase does not entitle me to playing the game. My purchase comes with no terms, no disclaimers, nothing. The most my purchase comes with is that I shouldn't be able to buy an M rated game as a toddler.

>>715914976
It is asking way WAY too much of developers though! Hiw do you expect them to make a living like this!?

>one autistic mold man takes on the entire video games industry and makes them seethe uncontrollably
is this the power of mold + autism?

>>715915063
>None of those terms are outlined on purchase. Not one of them.
Yeah, sure. It's not like it isn't on the fucking box that you can read before you buy.

>>715877229 (OP)
Why do Western especially American companies hate money? Making live service games available even after EoS would probably give the game a boost in sales because of increased consumer confidence.

>>715915197
No, it's the power of corporate manipulation.

Why is there an irish language option?

>>715915220
Not required, impossible to enforce, put on the back.

LEAVE THE POOR DEVELOPERS ALONE

>>715915301
To mark the failure of the Brits

>>715915301
Same reason as last time you posted that, bot-kun. The sheepshaggers are in the EU.

>>715913613
>what is the actual goal?
stop publishers from taking away games
the current meta in the market is to sucker people into playing your latest game via killing the previous one

>>715914893
How are you going to be able to play the offline game without buying gacha shit then

>>715915152
Your purchase grants you a limited use licence for private use of the product. This is explained in the EULA you can read before you purchase.

And no, that doesn't mean that the EULA itself is legally binding because the EULA is there to explain what your actual rights and their rights are.

If only you people had common sense.

>>715877229 (OP)
I want shitty always online games to die. Fucking retards addicted to Ubislop. Accursedretard

>>715915379
What the actual fuck are you even trying to say right now?
It's not an EULA it's informing you before you buy it.

>>715915398
but Irish people don't speak irish

>>715915450
I am not required to read or accept the EULA before purchase. The purchase grants me a perpetual license, which qualifies it as a good under EU law.

>>715877289
>Even IF there was manipulation/ fake votes, bootlicker-kun is still fighting the "gud" fight
Kindly jump off a cliff. Any is fine, I'm not picky
>>715878129
It's called the greater good, anon. If indies must die so gaming overall takes a step back in the right direction, that's a loss I'm willing to take

>>715915442
the developer or publisher would have to come up with an end-of-life plan during the design phase of the game's development
how they do it is up to them, as long as the game is playable in some form after EoL

>>715915450
Those terms are not acceptable

>>715915610
Then you get nothing fuck you

>>715914795
Or just stop gaas
Either is fine by me

>>715915583
Imagine saying in a court of law
>yes I was aware that this information existed and was available to me before purchasing
And answering
>no I didn't read it because I wasn't forced to
In a court of law.

>>715878379
>bbuuggghh uhhh if you want to own your games, uhhh, y-y-youre a schizo! yeah hehe uhhh, skg is off topic ok chud!?
>stop killing games
>games
oh my god

>>715915220
>online play (required)*
>asterisk appended yet no note anywhere explaining it
>long legal disclaimer mentions nothing about the game not having an offline mode
jesus christ what kikes

>>715915398
it just seems petty having an irish language option.

>>715915728
It is not the purchaser's job to go looking for a theoretical contract that may or may not exist hiding away on the seller's website.

>>715915820
What the fuck is petty about it? Are you angry that the irish-contrarian language still exists?

>go to local sauna
>Two old ladies go in despite there being a sign cautioning people
>they both faint in there
>place feels liable
>they close it down
>people petition with signatures
>signatures didn't do shit
how confident are people that SKG will work

>>715915806
>>asterisk appended yet no note anywhere explaining it
The asterisk is for ps+ dipshit. First fucking line. Good job proving you can't fucking read.
>>long legal disclaimer mentions nothing about the game not having an offline mode
>>online play (required)
There you go it says there's no offline mode right there.

>>715915563
And the answer remains the same. They should. And WILL in the future. they are already making good progress.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k2J0OvEpio

>>715915846
>It is not the purchaser's job
Yes, it actually is your job as the consumer to know what you're buying. And no, it's not hidden away it's a five second Google away.

>>715915954
SKG isn't strictly just a petition. it's invoking an actual government process

>>715916072
Hah, no it isn't. We're long past laissez-faire.

>>715915929
80,000 people still speak irish in ireland as their main language. It just seems petty and spiteful for people to still be speaking it and for there to be an irish language option. It's almost a dead language. Sounds like they are just trying to spite the brits.

>>715916194
Who gives a fuck? It costs nothing.

>>715913029
Buddy if "you didn't HAVE to accept the contract" how the fuck do you think any term would ever be found unconscionable?

>>715916264
It costs the EU 3.5 million euro a year. The irish are being selfish. Irish is an evil language and the irish were given the superior english language and should only speak that.

>>715915712
That is also unacceptable

>>715916194
THIS is the best corpos came up with???!!! trying a smear campaign. Speaking a language is now offensive to brits or something??!!!! Can't make this shit up..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxjvNUNXhkU

>>715913098
See >>715907173
If this wasn't you, then don't jump in on other people's conversations redditard

>>715916190
>Hah, no it isn't
This isn't something you can argue with because the alternative is literally just making blind purchases and not knowing what you're getting at all. Despite the information being there for you.

>>715916072
>715915929
the disclaimer says that they reserve the right to terminate access to portions of online features, not take it down entirely
it's misleading and wrong

>>715916406
I bought it because the box said "Video game 2: now with boobs" and then the video game was secretly not a video game but a video service and they took away my boobs after two years. Now either give me back my boobs or I'll make the government do it for me.

>>715916316
See >>715902174
>at least one party does not have fair/meaningful choice, there’s misrepresentation, or unequal bargaining power among other factors.

>>715915789
Not an argument
Not videogame related
I have reported your post and your thread ;)

fagsoftware has been in the trenches defending himself here and its so fucking funny

>>715916517
Hence why springing an actual contract on the player after purchase robs of any fair or meaningful choice.

>>715916462
What are you referring to here specifically anon?

>>715915954
These retards are getting more abstract wth each passing day. Still retarded tho

>>715916509
In other words you made a completely blind purchase.
There's no one to blame but yourself.

>>715915954
Nice try but no one has ever fainted in a sauna

>>715879571
>they basically demand that the devs keep up the game's servers and everything up and running at a budgetary deficit
This FUD is so old and disproven I'm starting to think you actually believe it, quite literally no one believes this lie and never has at any point.
Iran will get nukes.

>>715916395
NTA means "not that anon" you fucking newfag
Jesus Christ just go back to whatever shithole you came from, you stick out like a sore thumb here

>>715915180
This is sarcasm, right?

>>715916659
There was nothing I could have reasonably and easily done as a consumer within the place of purchase to understand the full breadth of the purchase.

>>715916740
Its an actual argument pirate software has made.

>>715916581
>springing an actual contract on the player after purchase robs of any fair or meaningful choice.
One problem, an EULA isn't a contract. The purchase was.
The EULA is there to explain what you have rights to and the company has rights to, the reason they even exist is because of people like you didn't read before purchasing anyway so now they force it on us and you still don't read it.

But that doesn't matter because you can read it before you buy it.

>>715915954
Companies in the eu are generally not held liable for stupidity

>>715916792
The EULA stops you from accessing the content, the purchase doesn't.

>>715916528
youre a faggot
not my thread
ywnbaw ;)

>>715916072
>it's a five second Google away.
>you just have to look it up yourself :^)
Then it's already void. To have even a snowballs chance in hell of not being dismissed outright by a court it will have to be presented to buyer and be written in laymans terms.

>>715916329
and you are brown

>>715878129
I will never call you "Thor", Jason

>>715916782
>take out phone
>Google game
>gain all information about it
Reasonable, easy and you can do it in the place of purchase.
Alternatively you can read the back of the box and look at the requirements that they're legally obligated to put there.

>>715916870
you have literally no idea of how any of this works.

>>715916850
That doesn't make it a contract, it just means you read it.

>>715916913
>>715916870
>a five second google, three hours of reading, and a law degree to fully comprehend

>>715916935
And neither does the chatbot you rely on to write your posts for you.

>>715916865
Cry more incel ;) ;) ;)

*smacks lips* ayo jaypaytee summarize this shit for me

>>715916975
It doesn't say "I read it" to allow you in, it says "I agree". You are agreeing to the terms within. It is a contract.

>>715916517
Yes you are aware this doesn't mean "they literally held you at gun point and forced you to sign"
A contract formed without genuine consent is immediately invalid.
Lack of fair and meaningful choice means exactly what it fucking sounds like. You choice wasn't fair or meaningful.

>>715917054
SKG??

MO LIKE KFC

>>715916981
>three hours of reading,
Or ctrl+f or however you do it on mobile.
>and a law degree to fully comprehend
I didn't know basic read comprehension is a law degree. A child could understand.

>>715916705
>he thinks calling someone a newfag makes him sound like an oldfag
Site's been up 22 fucking years, redditard. It isn't a secret club. There's no one in the world posting here for the first time today.
Don't jump in on someone else's conversations if you don't know what arguments you're co-signing by backing them up

>>715917136
Yeah I'm sure these ten pages of legal jargon can be fully comprehended by ctrl+f buzzwords and a middle schooler education.

https://web.archive.org/web/20080309221505/http://wiki.patrioticnigras.org/wiki/Maldavius_Figtree
Reminder Fagtree has been an imageboard lolcow for like 20 years lol

>>715916873
I'm jewish. In ireland there is a growing number of jewish journalists fighting to get the language removed from the school curriculum and we will win.

>>715916913
>Reasonable
No. Placing additional burdens on the consumer to hide information or obfuscate details with legalese is not "reasonable". It's not for fun ingredient lists has to be put on goods and can't be hidden behind a link.

>>715917062
>Yes you are aware this doesn't mean "they literally held you at gun point and forced you to sign"
That's actually what it means in that context. Not literally gunpoint but ultimatums are the unfair choice.
>A contract formed without genuine consent is immediately invalid.
You consent upon purchase. That's your contract.
>Lack of fair and meaningful choice means exactly what it fucking sounds like.
Yeah, to buy or not to buy.
What other choices do you think you can have in a purchase of a single item?

>>715917214
Yes, yes they can. Because something like
>you own a licence to use this privately and not distribute it
Isn't legal jargon, it's common sense.

>>715917267
you're a brit

>>715917346
If you purchase a good and the seller makes it unusable within days, there is no way to spin this as the consumer having had good and reasonable choices. The consumer shouldn't have to google everything they buy and search through every term of use to make sure the "BRICK YOUR SHIT IN FIVE DAYS" isn't included. This is unreasonable by any metric.

>>715917282
>Placing additional burdens on the consumer to hide information or obfuscate details with legalese is not "reasonable".
Not only is it not a burden to the consumer, you're not even a consumer before you purchase anyway, it's not legslese.

>>715917407
Wow, that's a good line, how about the other 9.9 pages? Hell, lets lower the age, now it's a 2nd grader buying it.

>>715917267
NOW I see. Gaeilge is anti-semitic because you can't expect pajeets (who already speak english) to learn it. It would impede your plans. I get it.

>>715917456
>within days
Oh a decade is a few days now?

>>715917480
Oh I see, I have no rights because before I handed over money for the cancer orb, I wasn't even a consumer, and after I bought it you had a website link explaining over twenty pages that it gave you cancer.

>>715917267
>the longnose tribe yet again aking its nefarious intentions known
it was aslready apparent from the outset

>>715917480
>not a burden
Here in the civilized part of the world it is. But keep trying Namjul. I'm sure you'll get that extra rupee per day promotion if you keep damage controlling all the way to archive.

>>715917587
You could buy the crew directly from ubisoft up through like five months before shutdown. You had no indication that shutdown was coming before it was announced.

>>715917523
>how about the other 9.9 pages?
You mean the ones that are basically
>you have the licence but we still own the IP
>don't do these things or we can sue you for infringement
>if you do those things we can terminate your licence
>the there's a chance the game can shut down in the future
And so on and so forth? Yes, there's a lot on an EULA but none of it is hard to understand.

>>715917712
I would have to explain basically 90% of that to the child that purchased the game.

>>715917707
>five months before shutdown
Still not days and 30 days is also the legal minimum amount of time to inform people and wouldn't you know it, that is the exact amount of days warning they gave and they took it down the same day so no one could purchase it anymore.

>>715917151
>Malding this hard over being called out for not knowing basic site lingo
Cope

>>715917819
That sounds like a flagrant abuse of my consumer rights, considering I paid for a good and not a service. Ergo, I'm gonna make the EU fist you.

>>715917712
eulas contain claims that that violate your rights. that fact alone is outrageous

>>715917623
>I have no rights
No, no you don't. Why exactly do you think you would have consumer rights over a product you haven't even purchased?

>>715917684
Yeah I'm pretty sure your Indian slum is civilised but here in the first world people are expected to know what they're buying rather than having it shoveled out to them like a pig.

>>715917925
You have no consumer rights. Now shut up you got raped and list the argument I won.

>>715917953
They don't because they aren't legally binding.

>>715917978
>>715918004
Still telling people to sign the petition.

This thread angered the mutts, greatly.

>>715918045
Well then there is no problem and we can freely and fully sue the corporation for robbing us of our good, considering that the only thing that gave them the right was a non legally binding non-contract.

>>715918069
Incel

>>715879571
>they basically demand that the devs keep up the game's servers and everything up and running at a budgetary deficit
Two sentences in and already wrong.