>errmmm bombs and artillery don't work against the zombies because..... they just don't okay!
How would you adapt this into a game without it being shit?

>>716089005 (OP)
what do you mean, all that stuff DOES work, and they already did adapt it into a game where you bomb the shit out of the zombies

>>716089138
the game has nothing to do with the novel retard

Zombie fiction only works by making the people in-universe complete retards.

Give me content with competent military just bulldozes the zombies.

>>716089005 (OP)
A real life Zombie outbreak would never be a real issue.

>>716089005 (OP)
>you see, artillery is ineffective against zombies because they're packed so close together
This book is more braindead than an actual zombie. He couldn't come up with a way for the zombies to realistically overrun modern militaries (which there are ways to do that make sense) so he just handwaves it with the most asinine misunderstandings of military tech and combat you'll ever seen on paper.

>>716089646
You'd need something that spreads and turns people rapidly and also makes them strong sprinter-type zombies (28 Days, Dawn remake, L4D). Problem there is explaining why the survivors can't just wait the zombies out until they die of starvation or dehydration, though.

>>716089646
zombie outbreak is a fantasy stand-in for natural disaster or civil unrest.

>>716089646
Depends where and when it starts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtCvb6r1OOc
A zombie outbreak in China during WW2, or during Barbarossa in russia during WW2 could be very difficult to contain

>>716089476
Oh boy more tactishit goonslop

>>716089005 (OP)
fuck you OP. it's a decent game, even if all the female characters suffer from Horseface-syndrome
panty-flashing Italian girl a best

>>716090445
see >>716089218

>>716089005 (OP)
>>>/lit/

>>716089646
I'd rather fight zombies than ferals, zombies would be stupider (barely) but there'd be 10x as many of them
>>716089005 (OP)
The xcom and Xcom2 missions against zombie hordes were cool as fuck, especially that one where you're on the run back to the landing zone and you gotta gtfo in time

>>716089005 (OP)
>hurrdurr I have to believe zombies (which aren't real) need to adhere perfectly to the standards of zombies set by [other media depection of zombies]
Within the confines of the book, it makes sense. Only destroying the brain truly kills them, and a lot of weapons don't do that because why the fuck would they? The shrapnel and impact shocks of explosives is more than enough to kill people efficiently, it's not like conventional weaponry was ever made with fighting a fantasy creature in mind.

The book did a pretty good job of claiming that the biggest issues were being caught unaware, and the social/political/infrastructural problems that would arise. Once humanity got their shit together and reindustrialized, it was trivial for them to push back. The only truly retarded part of the book that I can remember was the blind japanese gardener who survived because weeaboo glazing of the unbreakable samurai spirit or some shit.

The movie was utter dogshit though.

>>716091123
>The movie was utter dogshit though.
the movie isint even an adaptation its basically just a normal (bad) zombie movie they slapped the name onto

I borrowed this book from my best friend in my first year of high school. I put it down after a couple of pages over how cringeworthy it was. Dude was literally saying go to every crime scene that happens in your city to make sure it wasn't a zombie attack because the government would cover it up lol

Anyone remember that WWZ WC3 custom game? The players all started with different capitals Europe, 2 guys controlled the zombies, and 95% of the map was like rebellious cities that had to be recaptured. Humans could take the various capitals and major cities and build defenses and shit and working together, while if a zombie took a city it turned into a zombie spawner and could never be recaptured.
Was fun but hosts were always retard fags who would pick UK, spam planes and play simcity, then would ban the zombie players if they built any of the advanced or air units to counter their shit.

>OY VEY THANK HASHEM FOR THE IRON DOME
I can’t believe this is in the book

>>716089646
I've been rewatching the Walking Dead and I've been thinking this the whole time. They only brushed over how it started so quickly and how it got out of hand because it would never ever get to that point in a modern first-world society

>>716089646
remember 5 years ago when the entire world teetered on collapse from a flu outbreak

>>716092093
Same reason why there's no explanation about how the axis won ww2 in the man in the high castle. Hell italy isn't even mentioned at all and the world map shows italy under germanys control

>>716092093
Nothing about Walking Dead's apocalypse makes any sense. Everyone's infected but you only guarantee-die from bites, it takes hours or days to die and turn, the zombies are stupid, slow, and so weak literal children can overpower them. A local police force could control the outbreak, let alone an entire military.

>>716089005 (OP)
based, fuck this faggot's book. kino director for going awol and making a blockbuster zeke thresher

>>716092187
No? There were economical consequences that are exploding right now, but otherwise the world didn't became Mad Max, simply people were forced inside their houses.

>>716092421
How did they get away with showing israel getting overrun by zombies?

>>716092479
>israel finds out early
>they prep early
>still fuck it up by being retards
i love this movie

>>716092565
>Zombies breach their defenses because Israelis and Palestinians starting getting along
What did he mean by this

>>716089646
Not until there are zombie activists who let the zombies into human society, and all of whom were paid by Black Rock or some shit because some asshole found out how to monatize a zombie outbreak.

>>716092210
>Same reason why there's no explanation about how the axis won ww2
Built the nuclear bomb before the US and dropped one on Washington DC.

the ultimate zombie weapon that saved mankind from extinction....

>>716092704
Was that the reason? I don't remember

My parents are old; my father is very frail due to his unhealthy lifestyle.
In a zombie apocalypse there is no way I wouldn't be able to wrestle both of them and get them locked inside a room, especially my mother. And if I'm the zombie one the army would have to deal with a regular slow zombie and two slow and very frail ones. Hardly a force big enough to threaten the neighborhood.

>>716092873
>Was that the reason?
Yes, though I can't even remember if it is actually shown in the series.

>>716092421
admit it, that pepsi looked so goddamn refreshing
https://youtu.be/ZNdYlLUjoe8?si=7RxUIOs3CSifAjdn

>>716089005 (OP)
I've read the book. Dwarf Fortress does this, in a sense.
Against undead enemies it's a bad idea to cut off limbs because they stay animated, so if you cut off a zombie hand it'll run around like Thing from the Addams family and strangle your nuts. IIRC this applies to most body parts so obviously an explosive would be a bad idea because it would turn 1 enemy into 20. Pretty scary.

>>716092421
I wish they had used the OG ending.
>Plane gets forcibly rerouted to Russia
>Russians kill the elderly and sick and conscious the rest to fight zombies
>One year later
>Gerry and his IDF bestie are seasoned zombie killers.
>They enact a plan to desert and make their way across Siberia
>Movie ends with them in Manchuria meeting the Chinese military and hitching a ride with their navy to the NA west coast.
>Next movie would have been Gerry and IDF bestie's journey across the continent to get to the East Coast to see his family.

>>716089646
Yeah. I mean even a small group of armed civilians could probably kill hundreds of classic walking zombies. They are straight up not a threat. That isn't even counting military or police.

>>716092936
It's not i don't think

Adults becoming obsessed with zombie fiction and zombie apocalypse scenarios is one of the most embarrassing things to ever exist.
Thinking about it, wasn't the zombie fad the beginning of the "glasses, beard and open mouth" idiots becoming commonplace?

>>716089646
India broke containment and is currently spreading and infecting everything.
No we not be fine for that reason alone.

>>716093269
"Zombie apocalypse" is and always has been code for niggerpocalypse.

The only real threat zombies would cause would be retards capturing a female one and keeping it in their basement to fuck only to get accidentally bit.

>>716092702
This would be a hilarious direction for a zombie satire
>They're fucking eating people!
>Okay, but how does this affect you, personally?

>>716093269
people have loved zombies even before romero brought them mainstream. Anyway, they're just a device to live out the yearning for an adventurous life-death scenario that modern life prevents.
take a breath and stop trying so hard, it's okay to like things.

>>716090070
Kingdom has one happen in medieval Korea

>>716089005 (OP)
>>716092753
WWZ is basically a Reformer's wet dream
>Yeah all those F-16s and Bradleys are completely useless against the zombies
>The true weapon that will save humanity is the trusty M14
Max Brooks has a Boomer tier understanding of military hardware and firearms with his zombie survival guide saying shit like the M-16 is a bad weapon against zombies because it jammed a lot during Vietnam and instead everyone should use AKs instead

>>716092702
there was that one flash game about taking back a town from zombies and there was a bad ending for letting the zombism cult grow to the point where everyone kills themselves to become zombies.

>>716089646
All the previous posts are missing the actual main problem. A large and active mammal like a human requires A LOT of metabolism to sustain. "Zombies" would collapse in less than a week from nutritional deficiency let alone dehydration and exhaustion.

Okay but what about humans infected with nano-machines?

I remember actually liking the WWZ video game. It was cool, simple, and fun game.

>>716093530
I've watched this and honestly. The zombies are barely relevant lol

Was the Train to Busan sequel any good?

>>716093923
It's practically a different movie just with the name slapped on. Also pretty sure the only train in the movie was at the very beginning or end.

>>716094014
Damn that's lame. Was is it good for what it was?

>>716092187
The outbreak wasn't
>Dead walking, shoot in head
where a half-competent police force could solve the budding issue in half an hour
>>716092702
>>716093423
Fucking kek

>>716094084
Nope, it's really generic and doesn't have any actors nearly as good as the huge dude that punches the shit out of zombies in the first one.

>>716090005
The problem with a rapid turn virus is that it can't plausibly have a period of contagion where the spreader doesn't get caught, the rate of infection is just whatever a zombie can sprint at before getting shot. There is no way you could get one of those onto a plane or a subway and coof on hundreds of people. Maybe if it was a weapon deliberately dropped by a rival power.

>>716093839
metal gear revengeance

>>716094403
Old but gold.

>>716089646
Just set it back in medieval times when they didn't have guns and bombs.

5:35 CC ET Crystal

>>716091605
I remember a game like that, but it was with fictional places instead. Can't remember anything more than that off the cuff though
I prefer NotD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mddlNBPINdU
Why is some random korean zombie show the only one that shows a military and government not being retarded and actually are able to contain and stop the zombie virus?

>>716094930
Shaun of the Dead is right there, anon.

>>716089005 (OP)
The only part of the book that I would turn into a game would be the part about the japanese neet climbing up and down people's balconies while scavenging for food and avoiding zombies in a zombie infested Tokyo apartment

>>716091424
Anyone else?

>>716089646
>zombie virus starts in India
>nobody really notices until half the subcontinent is infected and multiple infected escaped into the west
>fast forward one week
>news articles from Britain about migrant asians on trial for cannibalism being released because of cultural sensitivity, subtly threatening posters start appearing about being considerate of global dining habits
>Canada overrun because they imported hundreds of thousands of infected jeets
>after another pedophile scandal the US government begins falseflag virus bombing American cities, blames it on Iran and drafts the remaining populace that could fight the hordes
Nah we're fucked bro

>>716095234
True, forgot about that one

>>716089646
Thats an absurd thing to say without knowing the exact type and mechanics of the zombies and how it starts.

There are some settings where everyones infected and turns after an unrelated death, while still being able to turn living people with bites. That means it starts literally everywhere on the planet potentially at about the same time, with each dead person being able to turn an unlimited number of people before any kind of response starts. It will also disproportionately start at and wreck critical medical infrastructure.

>>716094791
just make it supernatural like how zombies are supposed to be. put it in any location in any time period you think looks neat.

>>716094403
>There is no way you could get one of those onto a plane or a subway and coof on hundreds of people
You're underestimating how panicked people would get.
>man gets infected
>gets on subway
>slowly passes out
>nobody notices/cares, happens a lot
>wakes up during rush hour
>he's turned and is now pic related on a crowded subway car
Amid all the panic and people trampling over each other, it's likely a lot of people are getting infected from being in proximity/coughing/blood/bites.

>>716097210
exponential growth is a bitch

>>716090445
>panty-flashing Italian girl a best
That's kind of hot.

>>716089005 (OP)
Except the novel explains exactly why the tactics they used didn't work at first. Maybe try reading for once in your life retard.

>>716092702
Wasn't that what happened in 28 days later?
A bunch of activists released the monkeys containing the virus.

>>716092093
The fact that you obviously lived through covid and are unironically saying this.

>>716098216
>>716094228

>>716092702
that's the plot of dead rising 2

>>716098029
The point is that the tactics are retarded and just arbitrarily don't work for the sake of letting the eastern half of the US collapse.

>>716097210
That's a big plot point in the book, bunch of people that got bitten but got into airplanes, subways, tried to smuggle themselves out somehow.

The book had some good and bad; it's definitely one of the better zombie stories by virtue of telling the story a more fresh and interesting way than usual.
The bombs and artillery not working was far less retarded than the magic macguffin rifles that the US army pulls out of their asses halfway through the book.

>>716092702
Zombie rights are trans rights

>First country to launch nukes at each other was India and Pakistan
Most realistic part of the book.

>>716099083
It was actually Iran and Pakistan

>>716092093
Walking Dead's thing is that everyone is pre-infected
if you die of natural causes you turn unless your brain is shredded
It meant that people just dying naturally of old age or anything else would suddenly spring up and it caused a lot of confusion which fucked people up during the shelter-and-wait scenario after people were told to (the S3 game does have this, but only with an old guy dying)

Really your only option to make a worldwide disaster plausible is
>28 Days/World War Z the movie scenario where infectees become zombies in seconds with the bare amount of exposure so it becomes impossible to contain without extreme measures
>Last of Us/Crazies-style where the infection was so insidious at first it spread worldwide before anyone could notice
>House of the Dead/Killing Floor-style shit where it isn't an actual virus kind of situation and they're just cranking out "zombies" in a factory for some reason to a point local forces can be overwhelmed
>Resident Evil 1/2/3 situation where the authorities that would respond to such a disaster are actively compromised and sabotaged to purposefully cause an outbreak for (insert reasons here) or standard zombie trope of people downplaying or hiding infections long enough that it spreads further than it should
>Doom-style supernatural shit

Actually while we're on the topic it's funny that the Resident Evil universe experiences a Raccoon City-level incident like every 2-3 years but outside of cities being destroyed it tends to stay pretty contained. Like somebody like Ethan in RE7 should have a conscious memory of shit like Raccoon City, Terragrigia, a fucking city in China being zombie-nuked literally 4 years prior but goes blundering into situations like a moron and only survives thanks to being technically dead but becoming a near-indestructible mold man.
Jill in RE3 stayed behind in Raccoon City to further investigate Umbrella and seems surprised at how fast the city got overwhelmed, and that's before Umbrella starts deploying tyrants to make the problem worse.

Honestly it's better to not just overthink an opportunity to blast a mindless horde into gibs.

>>716089646
That's why Shaun of the Dead is the most realistic zombie movie.

>>716100149
>Doom-style supernatural shit
I've always tought this was the best way to do zombies. It solves most of zombie's functioning plot holes

>>716092702
I need to see this

>>716092702
I want that kind of plot where the activists are gaslighting the public that the zombies are still human or some shit.

>>716093530
Medieval zombies would be the easiest shit to deal with. What, are they gonna bit through your armor? All the undead could be sniped with crossbows and never see it coming

>>716098760
It's really more like Max Brooks probably heard a warped version of the early M16 story
>the M16 is unreliable and was only pushed by greedy politicians and lobbyists
>the AK47 is a magical indestructible superrifle
then ignored the real story that the M16 wasn't being issued with the right grade of ammunition and was being deliberately sabotaged by Army Ordnance in favor of their M14 and that pretty much all its problems were solved by the M16A1.
It's the standard nerd shit of hearing some obscure information that goes against the grain and wanting to spread it for the sake of being contrarian. But then between Zombie Survival Guide and World War Z it's writ large into the whole military apparatus. Hence why the magical zombie war rifle is pretty much just an M14 that only fires in semi-auto.

Mind you I do like Zombie Survival Guide and World War Z but it's one of those "i read this thing once and made it my entire personality" kind of situations.

>>716089005 (OP)
Honestly you could use Zombie Survival Guide as a proper game design document. It's just Max Brooks making up the rules for it.

>>716089646
i know its cliche that
>da humanz are da real threat!
and its overdone, but I'd love to see a zombie game that's about humanity recovering from a zombie outbreak. Sort of like war of the worlds where all the aliens die from the flu but instead its just natural immunity making humans immune. The zombies are more of an obstacle than an existential threat that a rebuilding society has to deal with.

I think it'd be a cool idea for a fallout like game or even a L4D2 clone. You could play as some faceless goons who have to go clear out the routine zombie infestation like it's your day job. Or maybe it could be like Darktide where your characters are prisoners who are sentenced to do zombie cleanup. Regardless I think it would be interesting to explore how tactics would develop just fighting regular old slow romero zombies with some L4D style special ones thrown in there to mix up gameplay and such.

>>716102045
>humanity recovering from an outbreak
I'd play the shit out of that. Sounds really interesting, I could imagine things like flamethrowers, chainsaws and ilk wouldn't be allowed, as the gov would not be ok with desecrating bodies outside of survival situations.
I think it could be really interesting if it was more slow paced and kind of realistic, in that 1-3 shamblers really aren't that much of a threat to anyone that isn't a ham planet, but when your squad of 3 dudes is tasked with clearing a neighborhood quarantine zone you need to be a lot more careful and cooperative with your squad to not get surrounded.

>>716089646
I think Racoon City in Resident Evil is the most plausible, surprisingly. The city water supply got infected and pretty much everybody who wasn't immune (like 10% of the population is immune I think?) turned all at once due to showers/drinking tap water/etc. The situation was completely fucked from the get go and the military justly nuked it.

>>716092704
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the entire federal defense system so spread out in the US that turning Washington to green glass wouldn't really do fuck-all other than get rid of the current figurehead (president) and close cabinet/assistants, assuming they were somehow stupid enough to just be sitting in DC AND someone somehow got a nuke over there across the ocean without getting caught? The US is really goddamn big and you don't have just one "bomb here and cut off airplane manufacturing/warships/munitions/supply lines/whatever." It isn't even a matter of dropping more bombs to make places uninhabitable because there's a gorillion acres that are already uninhabited and if you nuke it you can't scavenge it so what the hell is the point? I've never read Man in the High Castle, granted, but it sounds like they put way too much emphasis on 'cutting off the head and killing the beast' like the President is the head, not that the US is 50 mooks corralled by a separate military monster that doesn't even care about the head.

>zombie thread
I love games with zombies in them. I recently played Dead Island 2 and I had a pretty good time with it. Gets a bit easy and I wish there were more weapon types and mods, but it was still fun, it looks great, and doing a flying kick into a zombies head never gets old. I did 1 of the DLCs which had a good creepy vibe, and haven't done the other. Might go back to do it sometime.

Also, zombie tits and ass are everywhere once you hit the beach, and just slapping them around you see a lot of jiggle.

>>716089005 (OP)
>wahhhhhhh what do you mean your book about made up creatures doesn't fit my personal head canon of how a fictional apocalypse would work?!?!?!
the book has been out for decades, get over it already or write your own zombie book if you have that big an issue with it.

>>716100149
>Resident Evil 1/2/3 situation where the authorities that would respond to such a disaster are actively compromised and sabotaged to purposefully cause an outbreak for (insert reasons here)
or left 4 dead style, where the authorities (FEMA) aren't sabotaged, they just fuck everything up, because they're FEMA

>>716089005 (OP)
There aren't enough conventional bombs on the entire planet to kill even just a couple million people. You'd exhaust munitions way too quickly just trying to exterminate them all assuming you could even get it where it needs to be and you cant make more because we don't manufacture anything anymore, but even if we did all the workers are zombies. This is why troops and numbers are and have always been most important for the entirety of human history. That many zombies that will never starve and have no sense of self preservation would easily defeat every military force on the planet so effortlessly they wouldn't even be speed bumps, thats what makes other fictional enemies like giant space bugs so scary. Unstoppable forces of nature like a hurricane or a solar flare your only chance against is to simply flee.

>>716104575
Cool expect a big part of the book is that it's supposed to be a "realistic" take on the zombie apocalypse genre which they'll be chapters with characters discussing geopolitics and how people deal with day to day life.

>>716103790
>I think it could be really interesting if it was more slow paced and kind of realistic
that's what I was thinking too. I really like No More Room In Hell (the original at least) for having that L4D style "go from A to B to win gameplay" but at a slower pace where the slow zombies area legitimate threat
>in that 1-3 shamblers really aren't that much of a threat to anyone that isn't a ham planet, but when your squad of 3 dudes is tasked with clearing a neighborhood quarantine zone you need to be a lot more careful and cooperative with your squad to not get surrounded.
yeah that was my exact idea, I think it would be cool to have two different gamemodes, one where you play as the prisoner guys and the other the military goons. Your prisoner character would start with nothing or very little like Dead Center from L4D2 (starting with melee weapons and maybe some shitty pistols).

The other gamemode with the HUNK military goons could have you start with a loadout and could have a significant difficulty increase or be similar to something like Killing Floor where you have to defend against waves and in separate lanes/areas.
The two modes/characters could have cross over where your prisoner character can accomplish a risky side task with the reward of being able to save items acquired throughout the level for usage by your Military Goon character. Sort of like scav runs in tarkov but without all of tarkovs other bs.

I think for world building (since this is some newly reestablished nation and a shitty prison system), player could have a titanfall like burn card system where they could start with a slight extra bonus items (maybe like an extra med pack or starting with a shitty pistol instead of only melee) at the cost of in game currency acquired throughout runs. This could help players/teams who aren't as good do better on higher difficulties

>>716104228
It's the idea that the Axis now had a weapon that couldn't be countered and they could no longer turtle in "Fortress Europe" or on the Japanese mainland. The Axis getting the bomb first flipped it so that now the US and UK couldn't just turtle across the sea since Germany had an uncounterable weapon. That's the intended effect of it moreso than blowing up the enemy capital = you win. The US would have two options since iirc in that timeline the USSR never entered the war or capitulated in Barbarossa: sit and wait to get nuked or surrender. Same as what ended up happening to Japan.

>>716091765
Not surprised. The Zombie Survival Guide's second half is anecdotes of zombie outbreaks throughout history. Each and every single story is "White people encounter zombies and get royally BTFO. Heroic non-whites show up and swiftly defeat all the zeds". This despite the fact that canonically Europe was the only continent to fully eradicate zombies as far back as the Roman Empire, and the fact that the zombies are canonically ultra weak and retarded.

>>716100149
>Crazies-style where the infection was so insidious at first it spread worldwide before anyone could notice
The Crazies is one of the best not-zombie zombie movies ever made, though a plot point there is that the virus is designed to kill the host after about a week of infection, so it's self-limiting (which makes sense since in both the original and the remake it was a weaponized virus). By design it couldn't really ever end the world.

>>716105049
>a weapon that couldn't be countered
but it's just a bomb
a really big bomb yeah, but it's still just a bomb innit. it's not rods from god or something. did they strap it onto a fictional super-V2 that flies across the atlantic? japan didn't even surrender after the first bomb, only the second one, and two bombs is basically their whole fucking island really

>>716104827
so write a better version. again I don't know why you're crying about it on here as though it's some relevant pop culture book. you're also on the completely wrong board for book discussion and you claim the game has fuck all to do with the book so maybe you're just fucked in the head.

>>716104274
this game is actually surprisingly good but the story is so fucking stupid. but damn that gameplay nice.

>>716105232
>NOO MY HECKIN OFF TOPIC POSTING
>WE NEED MORE GACHA THREADS

>>716089646
it'd go away after a couple of weeks but my bread would get $3 more expensive for some reason

>>716105217
>but it's just a bomb
>a really big bomb yeah, but it's still just a bomb innit
It's a single bomb capable of wiping out an entire city. If you can't actually win an offensive war against your enemy and they can just keep popping out city-killing bombs, then eventually you're going to have to surrender if you can't come up with something equivalent. You'll only get weaker and they'll only get stronger.

I don't know the book or show or w/e but that sounds like what happened, again basically a reversal of why the bomb was so impactful historically. The US and UK thought they'd take so many casualties invading Japan that they decided to sit back and use the bomb to stop any means of Japan turtling them out.

>>716089646
Look at how poorly Trump and China handled a corona virus outbreak.

>>716089005 (OP)
the zombies in this book are indestructible unless the brain is destroyed. but artillery would definitely turn your brain into mush.

>>716104634
>L4D where FEMA just fucks everything up
Was that even FEMA's fault? Green Flu is completely unfair because it's airborne.

One of the things I like about Resident Evil is that outbreaks are basically terrorist attacks with the BSAA and various governments dedicating resources to stopping the production and proliferation of BOWs. It's basically the Global War on Bio Terror

>>716105295
I agree with you. The story isnt great, and going straight through is probably super fast. I padded my time just fucking around and doing sidequests whenever possible because like I said, fly-kicking motherfuckers felt great. I can only hope they'll do something a bit less-whacky if they make a third game, but I'm not really banking on it.

>>716104634
I like that aspect in L4D. The government genuinely wanted to end the crisis, but they fucked things up because the virus is too overwhelming and exacerbated by the slow policymaking.

>>716093592
>mfw New York City not only survived the zombie apocalypse, but was renamed "Hero City."
>mfw all the white characters are inept or damaged by the apocalypse, and every suburb and rural area was reduced to savaged wasteland by the hordes
>mfw not just California but the entire West Coast was largely spared from the hordes
>mfw World War Z is just another, "man, coastal liberals are so cool. We're heckin' valid and shit."

>>716092187
>teetered on collapse from a flu outbreak
You antivax weirdos have a strange recollection of the COVID pandemic. For me it was a comfy free couple week break from work, for you it was a supposed "apocalyptic happening" because everyone bought up the fucking toilet paper.

WWZ was the peak of reddit "I know better than everyone else (knows nothing)" midwit autism writing. Sweeping statements about how shit would really go down, parroted by other redditors for years, absolutely no research into the topic. Just assumptions based on what sounds right.

This and ready player one are like the sides of the reddit writing coin. An endless barragre of "erm, actually" that's not even fucking right, or "what if the hulk funkopop was bigger than the rest?"

is zombie speculative fiction more or less autistic than alt history

>>716105776
It's because the government left everyone East of the Rockies to fend for themselves

>>716105858
TO BE FAIR, World War Z and the Zombie Survival Guide came out at the "right" time when people were still marginally comfortable being openly retarded, and the books were the right kind of analyzation autism where they cleanly categorized, "this type of hideout would work, this kind would not, this weapon would work, this one would not." People love those kinds of lists.

>>716105576
Yeah, the Green Flu is sorta like Captain Trips in that it mutates so quickly and is so easily spread and so volatile that it's pretty much game over, even if in reality something like that might burn itself out so quickly even with the rate of transmission. Makes sense since they were inspired by The Mist for Half-Life, so L4D is just The Stand. and it was a bioweapon let loose in Stand (and maybe the other short story I forgot) but I don't remember if L4D has an actual origin other than patient zero at mercy hospital

>>716089646
Anon, the dead can't come back to life.

>>716105927
less, if anything zombie fiction just brings out the /k/ retards
alt history brings the /his/ and /pol/ autists

>>716105553
A friend of mine in new york got infected with coof in 2019, that shit was already here long before they stopped flights from china, plus china never actually said anything, they put a muzzle on it and bought as much medical safety geas as they could.
I'd say that would be the real issue, if such a thing happens, the country of original will try to cover it up first, and its one of those slow viruses, you'll have people slip through the cracks and start infecting.

>>716105927
Alt History hasn't been "cool" since the early 2000s, and is nowadays so mired in political brain-rot that nobody can comfortably imagine alt-history beyond World War 2.

>>716106040
I don't think there's any reference of green flu of being manmade in both games. Shit's too OP though.

>>716106171(me)
Holy ESL, what the fuck
I need to start proofreading.

>>716093796
That's why the demon/possession variety is kino

>>716093796
>A large and active mammal like a human requires A LOT of metabolism to sustain.

>He doesn't know
Humans are incredibly calorie-efficient, all primates are. Two-legged locomotion is like 50% more energy-efficient than trotting about on four. The big calorie-hog in the body is the brain - and guess what the zombie turns off?

>>716093796
They're dead. They don't need to eat.

>>716106407
>The best way to save energy is to not think
I KNEW IT

>>716106185
It's fucked up since past WWII there were minor conflicts (and major ones) all over the world basically constantly, tons of launching-off points for what-ifs, but it's either impossible to research in a sane manner or is so mired in politics that even touching it is asking for a bad time (the Troubles, the Falkands, South Africa, etc). The entire mishap in Vietnam and no one's thought to spin anything off from there? I guess Cocaine King has "what if JFK living actually turns the world into Mad Max somehow" but that's bullshit, I don't want to talk about that one.
i still think Crimson Skies' alternate 1930s is one of the most fun and best executed alternate history settings both because of how unique it is and how sensible it is even if it only exists because the original creator outright said "I want a weird US with lots of airplanes, how do I change things to get there" which is exactly what people say makes for shitty alt history. fuck 'em

>>716090005
Still wouldn't be an issue even then unless it all gets into the ground water.

>>716093796
zombies dont have logic. i think the ones in wwz actually have super strength cause they have no sense of preservation or something

>>716091123
anon do you think the shockwave of a 2000lb bomb has no effect on your brain? high explosives would be incredibly effective for doing exactly the damage he claims is necessary

>>716106512
>That spoiler
What if I said you're absolutely right, and obsessing over "realism" has become a puritanical cult that annihilated creativity, artistic direction and simple fun because people are too busy devoting all their energy to giving Aloy peach fuzz rather than a personality.

And that gripe has produced this studio bloat precisely because, "well, we gotta have ten thousand people to support all this meaningless graphical design.

>>716106680
>the shockwave of a 2000lb bomb has no effect on your brain
at last i truly see

>>716093769
Rebuild was based.

>>716106729
You're still mad over that fantasy swords thread aren't you?

>>716106803
No, I'm mad about boobs getting nerfed because, "a girl that athletic wouldn't realistically have tits that big."

>>716092093
that's because the zombies in TWD have 100 points invested in stealth

>>716106512
>The entire mishap in Vietnam and no one's thought to spin anything off from there?
well watchmen asks the question of what happens if a literal god super hero helped the US win? if i recall it made nixon win relelection and he was president during the soviet invasion of afghanistan

>>716106512
>spoiler
That's the best way to worldbuild thoughever

>>716106729
I agree and appreciate the shared viewpoint, but I also think you need SOME realism or else alternate history- or spec fiction, or zombies, whatever, I forgot this thread was about zombies, shit!- just becomes fantasy, or worse, becomes so stupid that even the average reader with room temperature IQ will go "Why didn't they just use the eagles to fly the ring into the towers" or whatever. It's okay to go "I want X to happen, how do I get there," but how you get there should still make some sort of sense in the setting, e.g. people don't suddenly become idiots just to make the plot turn in such and such direction. Note: this is my own 100% autistic opinion, that of someone who sits there making charts about just how many branching-off points a weird history setting can have before it's no longer historical at all (the best answer I've come up with is "one.")
>people are too busy devoting all their energy to giving Aloy peach fuzz rather than a personality.
Eh, I can see the complaint there but that's more the suits giving budget and effort to the wrong areas. Nothing says you can't have ultrareal graphics AND fun characters/setting other than AAA companies deciding it isn't worth doing. A couple generations ago even the weirdest fantasy games out there would still go all-in on graphical detail to best show the world that they made and want you to see firsthand.

>>716092093
TWD is an alt universe where humans lack the instinct to cooperate for survival

>>716107074

>>716092565
No no no, get it right. Israel and the jewish state fell because they let the muslim refugees into the "holy land", they also didn't assimilate to the situation and would rather stand there showing a form of protest by singing loudly. That's the actual real message from the scene and that's why they allowed it to be shown

>>716092093
What makes the zombies in TWD strong is the fact that they can teleport. Even if you're in a group or in an open street where getting ambushed is impossible, one can just randomly teleport right next to you and bite you

>>716093796
They eat brains, retard.

>>716093049
>no north korean super-bunker exploration
That would be the video game imo

>>716106680
>Errm, don't you know that Zombie brains become immune to pressure because of the gel-like consistency of the blood?
>Lol, it's like you don't know anything about zombies
-Max Brooks, presumably

>>716089646
Exactly! They'd be piss easy to kill. That is, if you even get the chance to kill them before they die of dehydration, starvation, asphyxiation or brain damage from the zombifying agent.

>>716106921
what does boob size have to do with plot

the virgin le scientifically explained reddit zombies that are a metaphor for consumerism or some other fag shit
vs
the CHAD shambling corpses and skeletons raised by a hot goth bitch necromancer with big ass pale veiny titties

>>716108374
This is why real life zombies dont work.

>>716108410
>pale veiny titties

>>716106171
I'm in the NY-PA area and I got it early too. I think Feb 2020-ish, back before anything was really known. Lockdowns were way too late & way too strict when they did kick in.

>>716089646
It's only gonna make sense in the "everyone is already infected" type setting, where any cause of death including old age raises you straight into a cannibal monster. Then society continues, but quickly devolves into a total dystopia authoritarian state with constant surveillance, you don't leave the kids around Grandma, off-grid living is banned, etc. The "Newsflesh" books did it this way and are therefore better than WWZ. (They are also sexually perverse and very lowbrow and also not that good, but still better than WWZ)

>>716106171
>>716109556

Was in residency at the time in Philly (thankfully Hahnemann had closed before COVID so I was outside the city. I still remember Bernie coming out and thinking "This motherfucker is turning pink" during his speech. He then had a heart attack like three weeks later.)

Anyway, my brother was doing interviews in Texas. Flies out of DFW which always has a massive amount of Chinks when I've been there to come stay with me and my roommates for interviews in Philly and is like seriously ill with a respiratory disease for no good reason in Dec/Jan of 2019/2020. Way before they diagnosed someone officially on January 20, 2020 in like Washington.

One of my co-residents had her dad unexpectedly become ill, get ICU'd and put on a ventilator in like October of 2019 and she believes he likely died of COVID back then.

>>716106956
Did you know Captain America killed Hitler? He didn't shoot himself.

>>716106171
This thread has a couple of the most interesting/important things ever posted on this hellhole.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/230585890/
>MFW on ID rotation and bizarre and reproducible shit is popping up on our multiplex PCR machine.
>Whatever it is the genome is massive and vaguely trips our automated coronavirus threshold
>Similar to coronavirus in the fact some of the PCR results got flagged for coronavirus but not SARS. This was last week but when we worked it out it was generally around 35kb which is MASSIVE for an RNA virus.
>This is just a rotation for me so I'm likely not the best person to ask beyond letting you know its in Eastern Canada
>No idea desu. The lab guys were excited though
>Massive RNA virus, no obvious symptoms, NP swabs detected it on a PCR machine.

>>716089646
Zombies work better when they're just a byproduct of an extremely infectious disease that's wiping out humanity rather than the cause of the apocalypse themselves.

>>716089005 (OP)
The author is genuinely a retard about military stuff
>Many elements of the weapon were borrowed from the AK-47 and the AR-15 (M-16), essentially combining the reliability and cost efficiency of the AK-47 with the accuracy of the M-16/AR-15 rifle series. The SIR was designed to be semi-automatic only, forcing soldiers to fire one shot at a time. Training doctrine also mandates that Combatants take slow and controlled shots, at a steady advance. This lessens combat stress as combatants are taught to fight and advance at a slower pace than conventional combat and at the same time conserving ammunition. The non-metal components of the SIR were usually made of wood, at least during the early years of the war, because it was difficult for the damaged survival-based economy of the Safe Zones to build artificial composite materials. The SIR also came with conversion kits which allowed the SIR to be quickly converted from a medium-ranged assault rifle, to a sniper rifle or a carbine for CQB (Close quarters battle)

>The incompetence of the American military
>Blind Japanese samurai and a Japanese otaku 2chan poster
>Stupid concepts like quislings and feral children
>Rich people now shovel poo and poor people now run society (cause all rich people are useless and never earned their way and all poor people aren't lazy and on welfare)
>Israel is best rael
>Is North Korea in a tunnel just hiding out or are they all zombies???????? It's like some kinda Schrodinger's cat of asians, so cool!
>"Muh dogs even though I hated them but now I attack people that do and now I'm in a special K9 unit durrrrrrr"
>For some reason only this random African guy has ONE CRAZY PLAN that will save us and nobody else could ever come up with such a brilliant strategy
>Every character is unrealistically descriptive for "interviews", like it's some lonely Jewish hack writing a shitty fiction book that'll be gobbled up by Americans
>DUDE I'M GUARDING RICH CELEBRITIES AND BILL MAHER AND ANNE COULTER ARE HAVING SEX ON THE BEACH LMAO

Oh no, how dare... HOW DARE Brad Pitt ruin such a *snicker* "classic" book - Max Brooks' salient and cutting satire of modern society that still rings true today - how dare he.

Truly, zombie genre fiction has peaked with this tome

>>716089646
L4D is honestly the only zombie media that makes sense in how the zombies the defeat the military, they simply don't, the virus itself defeat them. Imagine an entire squad turned into zombie because the private fucked an infected carrier and didn't realize he too is a carrier until he got into his barrack and his entire squad turned into zombies overnight without a single bite.

Chink submarine chapter was kino and it filters /k/subhumans, 10/10 book ou algo.

>>716089646
Exactly, even something like TLOU scenario would last for 1-2 years before the fungus zombies rot to death and the fungus get contained in certain dark areas due to major lack of carriers like how it works IRL. It won't be eradicated but it will be just like rabies instead of a 20 year apocalypse.

>>716092421
shit book, shit movie

>>716112827
I always got the impression he listened to some baby boomer hollywood "armorer" that talked a lot of shit but was never actually in the military, or at the very least not Vietnam. The shit he says is too specific to that era of fuddlore. I wonder if that fake veteran from Tropic Thunder was based off anybody real, like Cruise's character allegedly being Weinstein?
>literally describing "Walking Fire" as if it's a new concept
I mean, it didn't work at the Somme but maybe it would work on zombies? But he already established that arty sucks so no creeping barrage to cover the advance. It's almost like he didn't ever bother to open a book and just got a bunch of his dad's old Hollywood buddies to "advise" him and his other nepo baby friends while they passed the crack pipe around the writers room.

>>716112452
that's pretty fuckin neat, anon

World War Zoroark

>>716089476
Dead Rising

>>716089476
The Chris section in RE8 is like this. His team actually doesn't all die, they stay in communication, and they have decent equipment for the job.

If it's airborne, humanity loses overnight. Basically if you've ever gotten the flu before, you'd be a zombie. If you are a rich NEET schizo who stockpiles and never goes outside you'd survive so long as you get lucky and zombies don't notice you're in there. After about 3 months 99% of zombies would die of natural causes and the virus on their dead bodies will be unable to reproduce thus die in like a week. So to play it safe you'd need enough food to wait it out for at least half a year.

>>716092093
>TWD

>>716089476
Honestly Prototype 1 and 2. The virus doesn't have a powerful spread, but it does have a super mutation that makes like 1,000 tanks from L4D, and there's worse ones than that. They do a good job until the really crazy shit shows up, and even then they can secure one or two kills before they wipe.

>>716090445
I'd like the game more if grinding for 100's of hours wasn't a thing.

>>716114343
honestly I'd just wash my hands and be safe

>>716104848
>HUNK military goons start with alternate loadout
I was thinking something along the lines of a 3+1 cooperative multiplayer. 3 prisoners with shitty equipment, 1 military goon to ensure they don't run off, and also to serve as a team coordinator. The miliary player's score and progression is determine by how well his squad does and how many of his squadmates are alive at mission end, and its in the prisoners best interest to ensure the team lead doesn't turn into zombie chow because their combat capabilities don't hold a candle to his.
It could lead to some really interesting player dynamics. Prisoners could be incentivized to do their objectives, but also get a huge bonus if one of them kills the team lead.
I can only imagine it leads to scenarios where a team lead is being overwhelmed, but none of the prisoners come to his aid, or when mission end nears a prisoner gets bold and makes an attempt on their walking juggernaut.

>>716113823
>a rampant infection turns everyone into zoroarks
Now that's a movie plot I can get on board with

>>716089005 (OP)
The book was fine.
It started off really strong with the chink doctor and some of the other stories of the start of the outbreak, but over time the writing kept betraying more and more that the author is terminal american boomer and it kept getting more retarded.
The story about the crashlanded pilot really pissed me off because the writer couldn't fucking trust the reader to figure out the voice was a hallucination and just had to spell it out for me. Come the fuck on nigger, that shit was obvious a third of the way through, I know I'm reading a zombie book but you don't have to assume I'm a complete retard.
I also hated that he decided explosive bullets are definitely the best zombie brain destroyer in a strapped for resources setting. I guess everyone just forgot about hollow points?
And apparently only the americans could figure out using an entrenching tool slash melee weapon because those don't already exist either.

>>716098091
That was PETA though, not zombie activists

>>716092210
>Hell italy isn't even mentioned at all and the world map shows italy under germanys control
This makes sense depending on when the tides started to turn for Nazi Germany. After the Allies landed in southern Italy and Italy "switched sides", the Germans established a puppet state in north Italy called the Italian Social Republic. If they somehow won after that, I doubt they would return control of Italy proper back to Mussolini

>>716092187
Never happened you stupid fucking antivaxxer

>>716092702
Any zombie media with zombie activists?

>Zombies are Nazi Magic

>>716095248
That's just Dying Light

>>716098216
Retard antivaxxer

>>716115659
Unironically some of my favorite esoteric lore in a game, let alone a sidemode of a game.
Ended up being ruined when they tried to over explain everything and leaned too hard into aliens instead of just continuing to imply it was just Nazi's fucking around with ancient Vril-ya technology.

>>716114558
i'd like the game more if higher difficulties weren't complete dogshit and the bull and infector were removed from the game

>>716115470
Dead Rising 2
That being said though they do have legitimate concerns over the fact that big pharma has a monopoly on the anti-zombie shots and that people's zombified loved one are killed in gladiatorial combat instead of being given a dignified death and a proper burial

>>716089005 (OP)
The book explains very well why bombs and artillery don't really work.

>>716104634
L4D even implied the green flu would stop at the Mississippi because it was a mutation of rabies

>>716090445
Anon that shit has nothing to do with the novel. It is fun though and if it weren't for Saber's obsession with the worst grinds possible it'd be the purest
>shoot assloads of zombies
game out there. Nothing compares to a gunslinger sitting his crosshair at head height for a dense, narrow horde and never letting go of the trigger

ITS FICTION YOU STUPID FUCKING CHUDS
JUST TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF AND ENJOY IT
STOP WHINING SO MUCH

>>716115883
Oh it does because it completely ignores the fact that no matter what a bomb going off next to you is going to rattle your brain a fair bit.
I like the book but god the author really does pull a "nuh uh" on anything that would nullify his fantasy, could've easily written around it but that would require effort.

>>716092093
Pretty sure Walking Dead's rules are that everyone is always infected/cursed and that dying by any means will make them revive as a zombie.
>>716107475
>the power of OFF-SCREENED is usable by the undead only
solid explanation

>>716112942
It's the anthology of scenarios that's that main appeal, anon. Of course some will miss, but some will also hit.
>that one about the helicopter pilot chick who's entirely sure how much of what she went through was a hallucination

For me it's Cosmo Zombie
>An intelligent zombie that cannot be classified but thought to be a zombie of an extraterrestrial intelligent being. How such an advanced being could end up a victim of primitive shamanism is completely unknown. Perhaps dissecting their corpses will help unravel the mystery.

>>716100149
>seems surprised at how fast the city got overwhelmed
Yeah, because it wasn't spreading through bites it spread by infecting the water table. If it was bites it'd be a few weeks of solid escalation before that apocalypse instead it went from like 25 to 100 overnight.

>>716102045
>>716103790
There is technically After Inc: Revival if you want a strategy/colony management game of recovering after a zambie apocalypse but yeah, nobody except kinda Killing Floor has set up where you deploy to clean up a compromised area in an FPS

>>716106040
>but I don't remember if L4D has an actual origin other than patient zero at mercy hospital
There is a semi-canon crossover with Payday that suggests it came from a man that recently came back from the Caribbean

>>716089646
Just make so the disease first began as a flu like virus. It spreads like any normal flue virus. Nobody is panicking because it seems relatively harmless even though its spreading all over the world. People get ill then in a week they feel better. Then have it so the virus doesn't actually go away, it just hides for a bit inside the body like some other virus do, then it mutates and starts turning people into zombies but can now only be spread by getting bit.

This gives the virus enough time to spread throughout a huge portion of the human population while also making it so it can spread via bites after it mutates.

>>716104634
There's not a damn thing FEMA could've done, the green flu went airborne and infected the entire continental US in a matter of weeks. There is no halting that spread when just breathing infected air is killing you. The best they can do is hope military defensive lines hold for the next 3 weeks to 3 months for all the common infected to die from the infection (either encephalitis or dysentery) or just plain starvation

>>716105576
>Green Flu is completely unfair because it's airborne.
I think it was mentioned that the problem is sometimes it was airborne sometimes it wasn't. Effectively a virus that kept mutating into random directions.
>>716106040
>even if in reality something like that might burn itself out so quickly
Left 4 Dead 2's infected seem to imply that it's going to burn itself out soon with the original special infected appearing more tumorous and decayed (along with the common infected appearing more worn.)

>>716089005 (OP)
I liked the tidbits of backstory to this game where the the disease initially just put the infected in some sort of coma until they woke up again and became zeds. Also touched up on LA esque riots happening in quarantine zones. Too bad the sequel looks like generic dogshit.

>>716089005 (OP)
Look guys I read this book and the Survival Guide when I was 15 and thought it was the tightest shit ever. It's a joke now, but I really loved that shit as an adolescent.

>>716116427
SHUT

>>716089005 (OP)
They explain very clearly they are ineffective because they rely on fragmentation damage which would shred a living being's blood vessels and cause other sorts of trauma which zombies don't care about. It doesn't matter because the biggest loophole is how a zombie could possibly stop an APC or tank, which they never address.

>>716106680

>>716090070
The opposite. Those places had some of the highest concentrations of guns, soldiers and tanks of any place in human history.

>>716116539
I have like 500 hours in this game and still login once in awhile to fuck around. It's probably the best zombie game in the past decade so such a shame about the sequel.

>B-b-b-but l4d2!!
More of a run and gun arcade shooter desu.

>>716105853
you are confused about both past and current events. Brain fog is a common symptom of the vaxxed.

>>716116539
Yet to find another zombie game that has the same feel as this one. The idea of being a complete nobody that had been sheltering in place during the initial outbreak before being forced to leave from lack of supplies or a chance at escape is portrayed quite well. Shame the sequel just took the generic "we're fighting back" approach that other games have.

>>716116005
Such is the case for most fiction with world ending scenarios. The author is never smart enough to write a realistic threat that can bypass humans/nature so they always handwave a bunch of shit. Muvluv did the same thing where it's just an endless cycle of
>Why can't helicopters shoot down the BET-
>NUH UH
>Why can't you just bomb the BET-
>NUH UH
>Why can't you just nuke the BET-
>NUH UH

>>716089005 (OP)
yes, shoving some randomly placed metal bits into a creature that can only die from destroying the brain doesn't seem like the best tactic
use your brain

>>716116321
>After Inc: Revival
thx for the rec anon
>>716114910
>1 military goon to ensure they don't run off, and also to serve as a team coordinator.
oh thats such a cool idea. He could be a tank character too if hes up armored
> but also get a huge bonus if one of them kills the team lead.
oh man it could be like that one game mode from Kane Lynch 2 where you betray your teammates during a heist
add proximity chat and you're golden

>>716115798
The original radios were great, they have that spooky feel of conspiracy theory and classified messages.

https://youtu.be/N5UWE0YVf6I?si=aRab0hib9xs0K3AA

>>716116005
I thought the main problem with bombs is that, while they CAN work, they're not consistent with destroying the brain. One of the biggest issues with the war at the start was destroying MOST of the body but enough remained, even if just the head, for the zombie to be a threat. Soldiers would expect them to die like people, only for mangled corpses to reach off the ground and bite them.
>but bombs should complete destroy--
it's fucking zombies, everyone has a different interpretation of how they work. these are reanimated corpses shambling along, it's not too much further a stretch to assume that they can still work even with minor to moderate brain damage, which is why they make rounds specially designed to fry the brain upon impact

>>716116970
Why WOULDN'T bombs destroy the brain? If a single bullet is enough to down a zombie you're telling me an explosion turning it into liquid (if it doesn't blow half of it off) isn't enough? It just stretches the suspension of disbelief a bit too much.

>>716105217
You're really dumb you know that?

>>716116970
I have a feeling if they're at the point of being a mangled corpse then the fact their heads were untouched is a miracle.
If one bomb doesn't work, bomb again.

>>716089005 (OP)
idk

>>716089005 (OP)
Same book that has zombies surviving for years underwater in the oceans mind you.
Or surviving being turned into ice.

>>716117057
>>716117115
Yeah but there were several million zombies. Obviously Brooks didn't make this argument but I genuinely don't think the US could put together enough ordinance for that amount of bodies over such a large area when they're already being spread thin trying to defend or evacuate every other city, even for a big dick swinging event

>>716117057
a direct bomb hit would work, but anything less would lose effectiveness quickly. it's easy to kill living beings because they're fragile, while zombies are supposed to be tougher with that magic bullshit. They even bring up that in the first siege on Yonkers, they run out of artillery and bombs and barely make a dent when there are tens or hundreds of thousands of zombies swarming them.
>but isn't it the same brain wouldn't it still be-
these zombies are able to wake up from arctic hibernation, survive being underwater for months, and many other things that would "kill" a brain, not to mention the complete and utter lack of a pulmonary system to supply their brain with oxygen, clearly there's a bunch of liberties taken with how the zombies function, just like every other zombie system makes its own choices

you can make valid complaints about a lot of the book, but it does actually set up a fairly reasonable explanation for why advanced technologies either don't work, or are prohibitively expensive to manufacture and maintain compared to the simplicity and reliability of rifles in a post-apoc world trying to reindustrialize

>>716089005 (OP)
>the government is stupid and would just keep doing the same thing over and over again
Damn, so true king.
The only thing I really didn't like is the twist that they're magical zombies.

>>716116625
President Madagascar sir, you can't just do this every time someone coughs somewhere... The economy......

>>716117362
The point that you're missing is that a single bullet through the brain is enough to kill a zombie, but blunt force trauma or even partial destruction/incineration from bombs doesn't do the trick. It doesn't add up. If the author wanted it to be magic, then the resilience needs to be consistent.

>>716090432
name one (1) tactishit game with zombies
I dont want to wander in a field for 30 minutes and get sniped from bum fuck nowhere, I want to go through RE5 villa seige with head bob, leaning, and semi-auto weapons

>>716117448
>magical zombies.
Qrd?

>>716116321
What a dumb concept, killing shit is far more fun than "da indomitable spirit of man"

How come there's no zombie media centered around the middle ages? Real life medieval Europe already had multiple terrifying plagues, and the more primitive technology makes zombies more of a threat.

>>716103940
Honestly, the idea (though Umbrella is probably the most retarded company to ever exist in any videogame) of a bioweapon outbreak itself is really the most plausible in general. Like the way the T and G viruses work is actually fucking terrifying seeing as it doesn't just infect humans, but animals as well. That itself would fuck over numerous people in a super short amount of time and could under the right conditions be a game over for humanity.

>>716116512
>>imply that it's going to burn itself out soon
>l4d3 releases
>its just a 28 days later "lol society collapsed and all the zombies are dead" walking sim
>still has toxic versus mode

>>716117504
They bring this up and say even traditional rifle rounds weren't 100% effective, so they use a custom made low-piercing fragmented round that will stick in the brain and incinerate on impact.
blunt force does work but not immediately, i think the samurai gardener is just so good he knows how to sever the brain stem at the right spot because "thing, japan"
there's also the thing with the shovels which people use to decapitate zombies, I think because you can first sever the head then use it to strike the brain to finish it off.
again, it's not that bombs CAN'T work, it's just that it has a high propensity to leave them injured but still dangerous and make cleanup riskier, as well as make terrain harder to control as opposed to setting up barricades in advance and methodically taking them out

I hate that you're making me defend the book this much but complaining about bombs in a fictional setting is like complaining that blunt force wouldn't be effective vs nanomachine technology even though there's valid reasons why it wouldn't

>>716117701
you know medieval zombies always seemed kind of cooky but now that you compared them to the plague I kinda get it.

>>716117264
Yeah the book should've mentioned the shell famine aspect. With the supply chain cut off from the infections all over, there's no adequate production capability to produce more ordinance at scale to kill all the zombies.

>>716103940
Funny enough it's one of the few times the military is competent. Racoon City was already successfully quarantined by the military and only corpo fags like UBCS got in. Leon/Claire had to drive through a checkpoint to get into the city.

>>716117264
An explosive will kill anything within the radius it works in. There could be a gajillion zombies, if you know where they are and have explosives to hit that square kilometer, they're all getting fragged. They're also not going to ground or taking cover or waiting it out.
America has bombed certain countries every single day for years straight. They will never run out of munitions before the zombies run out of corpses.
>>716117362
>a fairly reasonable explanation
He made them magic, and then said that's how it would go realistically. You can't "uhm actually you couldn't just shoot a zombie in real life, as this zombie has an energy shield!".

>>716117789
okay let me stop you there, nanomachines would always get BTFO by blunt force. the advantage of a myriad interchangable miniature units is versatility, the advantage of a purpose-built slab of armor is it won't disintegrate on contact with >9mm

>>716117789
It's just very contrived if you have even a layman's understanding of how the brain works in that a bullet through it will put down a zombie, but nothing else will. I get that it's fiction and the author makes the rules, but if the author can't make the rules consistent and keeps bending them for rule of cool or his own agenda (you even admit the Japan wank) then it falls apart on closer scrutiny. I don't mind it, but there's a reason the book is considered a joke these days.

>>716117642
>da indomitable spirit of man
>implying the game is about that and not FUCKING RETARDS I'LL GET YOU A KITCHEN JUST MAKE MORE WOOD
dem pops man, dem pops

>>716117701
I feel like the furthest back in time I've seen media take zombies was colonial america

>>716118012
The Kingdom (Korean) takes place place in the 17th century. It's pretty good. Guns are limited and it's mostly bows and swords. Pretty enjoyable watch as it throws a few twist to the usual zombie flair.

>>716117509
Ready or Not with the zombie mod

>>716089218
>>716090520
So they adapted it into a game... by not using the novel as a base, because it fucking sucks. That's the actual answer, fuck face.

>>716117921
>An explosive will kill anything within the radius it works in.
Lol
>There could be a gajillion zombies, if you know where they are and have explosives to hit that square kilometer, they're all getting fragged.
No they aren't, bombs aren't magic and neither is the pressure wave, the 155mm doesn't get to magically bullseye every undead in the blast radius because 50m is already 50% effectiveness for living targets.
>They're also not going to ground or taking cover or waiting it out.
No, instead half of them are already in cover because they're semi-retarded and just hanging out in weird places until disturbed and another quarter are providing cover for the remainder with their unnaturally tough bodies.
>America has bombed certain countries every single day for years straight.
Because we currently have factories and supply lines functioning to keep producing and delivering more, shit that doesn't exist in a fucking societal collapse
>They will never run out of munitions before the zombies run out of corpses.
Even if we had that amount of explosives on hand right fucking now what magic fucking spell do you think the generals can channel in order to deploy all of it into fucking yonkers?
Stop making retarded arguments that force me to defend max brooks of all people.

>>716117701
Bannerlord can do this, or Mordhau, its meh, guns are a big part of the fun with zombies and you cant get +50 people to cooperate as a shield wall vs zombie hordes.

I know most people don't like Resident Evil 6 but it was neat that Chris's campaign was one of the few times in RE that you got to take part in a large scale operation responding to an outbreak.

>>716095248
The gooks stole that part of the story for their own zombie movie, Alive (2020). It's funny how shameless the koreans and chinks are.

As a game I don't know. As a movie a documentary. Interviews with survivors. Or like band of brothers.

>>716116325
>There is a semi-canon crossover with Payday that suggests it came from a man that recently came back from the Caribbean
It's completely non-canon to both universe now. It's not the green flu anymore but some engineered bioweapon made by the illuminati.

>>716102045
I'd like a STALKER-like game where the player is dropped into this infected, no man's land zone under cleanup and you meet different factions holding up in the zone due to the lawlessness of the place. Zombies are still around due to the zone's status, but with how the world has recovered and people figured out how to fight them, they're not so insurmountable and only around in pockets of still-infested areas the factions haven't bothered to clean up yet.

>>716117059
am I??

>>716118206
>No, instead half of them are already in cover because they're semi-retarded and just hanging out in weird places
lol
He wrote the american military to lose in a dumb embarrassing fashion and one of the reasons he did that is because he thought artillery wasn't very deadly. He says that outright, artillery just isn't very dangerous in his mind. You're trying to make up arguments to defend this dude that he wouldn't have even considered because he wouldn't even think it mattered.
>Stop making retarded arguments that force me to defend max brooks of all people
No one is making you defend a retarded book wrongly. You're hitting yourself.

>>716116539
I like the gritty atmosphere of this one even if it somewhat very unrealistic (no zombie cops but zombie soldiers everywhere, fema facility getting overwhelmed by zombies). The zombie soldier spawn rate is too annoying especially the running ones that is basically a death sentence for the survivors. They should be a rarer sight among infected and only appears on certain maps.

>>716118236
>and you cant get +50 people to cooperate as a shield wall vs zombie hordes
War of Rights could get dudes to line up for firing lines against zombies for their halloween event

Zombie is the most perfect genre for video game yet not single good zombie game made yet

I curse you all to witness 50 years of hell as the world you know rots and dies. You will live out your days as concubines to your local chad. Then you'll end up as janitors. You die shoveling shit from Chadington the 3rds private latrine that he had been keeping his now zombified great grand father captive in.

>>716118578
>line up
more like clusterfuck with some order, but true

Does SCP-5K count as a zombie game?

>>716117509
i looked it up and Bodycam has a zombie mode which is neat

>>716118498
>You're trying to make up arguments to defend this dude that he wouldn't have even considered because he wouldn't even think it mattered.
That doesn't change the fact that you're fucking retarded to the other end of this spectrum and think that artillery is a magic bullet that just obliterates all things forever in a six hundred meter radius. When you have seven million super soldiers loosely packed over dozens of square miles all converging on one position in a country undergoing collapse at that very moment there is no amount ordinance you can summon to stop that. Even if you kill all but a hundred thousand that's still a wave of hundred thousand fucking dudes pushing on maybe a couple thousand infantrymen now shitting themselves because they thought they wouldn't even have to shoot.

>>716116539
Is there a time or timezone the servers are populated? I played it recently and no servers were up, and soloplay though tense is a massive slog

>>716089005 (OP)
>How would you adapt this into a game without it being shit?
By making the infection happen at a pace or in a way that messes with the way things work even before zombies emerge as the threat.
So, the zombies would be a non-issue if military was fully functional? Make it so that it's not fully functional and snowball from there. This could apply to every part of the system not just the military complex.

You could even tap into modern society shit to make things worse like people spreading misinformation, anything showing zombies/the infection being called AI or schizo nonsense, retards saying that zombies are hell emigrants looking for a better life, etc.

>>716090445
>>716097950
good taste

>>716118961
Are you retarded?
Artillery is quite literally a magic bullet thats why its been a mainstay of military combat for hundreds of years and has always required an arms race of ideas like purpose built trenches and bunkers to mitigate

>>716118961
That was literally solved back in WWI.
Zombies can't even handle heavy machine guns, barbed wire, and trenches, let alone fuel air bombs and cluster munitions.

>>716119114
It literally isn't, its an extremely useful tool but has never once invalidated infantry. Even the newest hotness of drones doesn't do that, it just makes the infantryman's job fucking suck even more but a human sized virus wouldn't care about that.
>>716119119
>all these things that stopped troops who have morale to manage and will be stopped by regular wounds will similarly stop a wave of creatures, a wave at least twice as large as the largest operations in human history in a fraction of the space, without any fear or regard for wounds that don't outright kill them
Holy shit stop. Your argument should be that the zombies he's written are fucking magic and not realistic in the slightest, not
>muh defense budget

>arguing over zombieslop
grow the fuck up

>>716119336
agreed, we should be arguing over pirates vs ninjas instead. which would win?
as a kid I thought ninja, but honestly it would probably be pirates. not constrained by moral codes, can plunder and pillage any seaside village for supplies, and of course being on water makes it that much harder for ninjas to even get onto their ships.

>>716117362
>these zombies are able to wake up from arctic hibernation, survive being underwater for months, and many other things that would "kill" a brain
aka a bunch of magic horseshit asspulls to justify his retarded premise

>>716118961
>there is no amount ordinance you can summon to stop that
They do have that. He even does have them use crazy amounts of artillery on them. He just thinks zombies are immune to it. You're not even making the argument that he was. He thinks zombies can just walk through the blast.
They're coordinated into a large set of killboxes where they know they're all going to pass through and strike them directly and it doesn't work because he doesn't think artillery is good at killing things. You're bending over backwards to defend a man more stupid than you are.
>>716119234
>in a fraction of the space
This makes it worse. All of your enemies in a small zone is the best case scenario for artillery.

more retarded than the overpressure of a high explosive detonation not liquefying the brain is the idea that zombies can still affect locomotion when their muscles have all also been turned to jelly or torn to shreds because they "don't feel pain". pain isn't the sole reason why someone can't put their weight on a leg that's had its bones pulverized to dust, it's also because there is no weight bearing structure present to take the weight in the first place.

>>716089005 (OP)

>>716092187
Yeah, and the very vast majority of deaths from zombies could similarly be avoided by just staying inside for a few weeks. So maybe it would actually be a threat, since retards like you exist.

>>716119474
Pirates start off ahead but are eventually contained to whatever island ports they have while ninjas eventually sneak in and kill them all
Ninjas are stealthy, organized and purpose trained to assassinate enemy leaders while pirates are basically just niggers

>>716119234
>has never once invalidated infantry
I've never heard a more wrong statement in my life, even as far back as the 17th century a chinese force was repelled from Albazin because they had absolutely no way to get past its combination of walls and cannons, what the fuck makes you think retarded zombies can do a single thing against a modern military force? Its stupid. The entire concept is a joke, you literally have to give them super armour tougher than thick steel and divine intervention to even have a shot

>>716089646
Logically zombies most likely couldn't be able to tell other zombies from non infected humans, they would just eat each other.

Its like if you had 3 coyotes, 2 of which were rabid, the two rabies infected ones would square off and the uninfected would bolt

>>716091123
>the biggest issue is being caught unaware

Did you know at the height of the zombie craze (2008-2014) a few governments admitted they actually had plans in place for a zombie type event.

They never admitted what it was which most likely means quarantine and firebombs

>>716116539
I will never not be fucking livid over how they handled the sequel.

>Prioritized visuals over having actually fun maps or mechanics

>>716092187
The shit the government did unironically caused more damage than the disease

>>716089646
Depends on the infection rate and zombie.
at best they'd have entire cities or country sized regions quarantined as no-go zones that governments need to keep watch of so some stray infected don't infect a nearby city, potentially dooming everyone in it.

>>716119513
>He even does have them use crazy amounts of artillery on them
A few dozen howitzers and abrams with cannister shot is not "crazy amounts"
The amount he used in the book is likely less than a single marine regiment used in the iraq war
>This makes it worse
Nigger a fraction of the space means not three thousand miles you dumb fuck.
>You're bending over backwards to defend a man more stupid than you are.
I'm not defending him i'm attacking your fucking idiocy.
>>716122696
>a chinese force
A force that needs supply lines, tends to wounded, and can feel morale shock is not comparable to one that has none of those issues and matters even less when you're using shitty bugmen as the example. The wall is more important than the gun for stopping unarmed human wave tactics and a 15 foot deep 40 foot high stone wall will do more to stop it than literally any modern invention you can name in the magic zombie bullshit presented.

>>716119474
It really does depend on the context

Overall? Pirates win by numbers. Ninjas were basically elite special forces trained from birth with skills passed down directly from father to son, there weren't very many of them but pirates were so plentiful entire oceans were dangerous territory

1v1 the ninja wins unless the pirate can pull off an accurate shot with a black powder gun, of which the ninja has 2 hard counters: smoke bombs and blinding powder

Supernatural zombies will always beat infection zombies in terms of efficiency and coolness

>>716119474
The cool, fantastical ninjas or the shitty, realistic peasant ninjas? If the former, ninjas 100%.
>>716120004
Feel no pain means that when the first fifty thousand are atomized instantly the next six million nine hundred and fifty thousand don't stop instead of slowing down over the shattered remains of their vanguard or turning and running like actual people would if they saw that.
You could overpressure a whole shoah's worth into chunky salsa, the population of NYC and its surrounding areas is 24 million people, there will still be more coming.

>>716123363
>i'm attacking your fucking idiocy
Why don't you go after him instead of going after people making reasonable criticisms of his stupid "artillery couldn't even kill zombies in the real world!" take?

>>716123670
>efficiency
Disagree. Unless you're doing some global shenanigans where literally all usable corpses rise shit like the green flu or even t-virus being able to spread through completely innocuous methods makes them far more dangerous
>coolness
Definitely

>>716123363
>your force of 10,000 soldiers with absolute control of the local geography and the direct blessing of the emperor vs 200 dudes in a fort is somehow less effective than a horde of mindless shambling corpses
No, you're both militarily and historically illiterate.
A force whose combat doctrine was hard countered is still a million times more effective than a bunch of brainless zombies

>>716123750
So do what you previously did 5 more times and you're done

>>716123806
>Why don't you go after him
Because it's been nearly 2 decades, i've shat on his dumb take enough already when shitting on him for his sophomoric writing. I have other terrible writers to shit on nowadays i simply take issue with the idea that you could wipe out tens of millions of people who are actively fighting back with barely a few scattered regiments hastily cobbled together. Short of pulling a Racoon City and firebombing or nuking the city into dust you're not clearing that, you're not even holding that line without a corps to quarantine that sheer amount of mileage.

>>716124036
Cool, how are you getting five times more ammo when your entire civilization is in the middle of collapse because there are outbreaks in literally every single residential area in your nation? How do you even mass the guns in the first place to output that amount of ordinance without breakdowns? How are you keeping your soldiers combat effective for five times that length when they see the horde doesn't stop coming after the first break to rearm?
>>716123912
>in a fort
Wow, you found the important part. As it turns out the modern united states doesn't build forts it builds chest deep trenches and holes and erects chain link fences and barbed wire.
>A force whose combat doctrine was hard countered is still a million times more effective than a bunch of brainless zombies
Lol no, they could have perfect doctrine and still fucking lose because human beings can get sick, can go hungry, can puss out even. An army of ten thousand (which it wasn't) can catch dysentery in its siege camp, they can go hungry if their supply lines slow, they can fuck off because they're not getting spoils, they can puss out of a winnable assault because they lose heart. There's a reason why premodern warfare had the majority of casualties happen during the rout.

>>716112827
SAAAAR DO NOT REDEEM THE AR

>>716090005
>Problem there is explaining why the survivors can't just wait the zombies out until they die of starvation or dehydration
28 Days Later actually did it until it got retconned in the sequels

>>716089005 (OP)
What's little Zimmy gon' do when three of these monsters come barreling down whatever city street infested by rotting faggots

They all have dozens of gunners at the top and welded with giant blades and spikes everywhere

>>716119234
well infantry's whole deal is that boots on the ground are kinda impossible to invalidate
artillery tho, go read up on some ww1 battles, their lengths and casualty rates

>>716089005 (OP)
I heard this book was good snd this is in the first chapter. Then it sucks off israel for a while and i stopped reading

>>716090070
>massive countries where zombies would need days or weeks to walk from one big settlement to another
>armed forces already on high alert everywhere

No, even that is highly unrealistic

>>716123750
Realistically you just lure them to drop off from a destroyed bridge forever

If that somehow isn't accepted by you then concrete funnels that lead into rotating sawblades (with guys on the other end with billhooks pulling out the stumps that come out the other side)

Or just incineration traps, giant fields of fire and so on. Or just use construction equipment to crush literallly endless amount of zombfags like >>716124998

>>716124910
In 28 weeks later it was a survivor who was a carrier that restarted the whole thing

I remember it clearly as it was the first time i started looking into movie prosthetics and gore, because the survivor is in a hospital bed nearly dead from malnutrition and husband kisses hrr, immediatley turns and smashes her head like an overripe melon which i thought was a really cool effect

>>716095437
>Israel oddly creates the first cure, claims they were 'already working on it' by coincidence
>No they aren't selling it either

>>716116427
Yeah, herpes is nasty since it just chills out in your nerve clusters until it catches your immune system lacking. Dunno why we've never come up with a vaccine for simplex, since we've managed to solve chicken pox/shingles.

>>716095349
>Anyone else?
I can't believe I've never seen it before lmao
Desperate but deserved

>>716125065
Even without that weird jew stuff it really doesn't feel believable at all reading it as an adult
In fact that whole chapter with the muslim dad hitting his son for hating jews when they're graciously letting them into their safe paradise is as comical as the french catacomb guys and the gay fucking. there's a few ones that are just lame in hindsight

>>716118461
uhhh...so literally STALKER?

>>716089476
Shaun of the Dead, towards the end anyway.

>>716125218
>In 28 weeks later it was a survivor who was a carrier that restarted the whole thing

Yeah, and then the virus somehow spread everywhere despite much larger distances and no longer having the surprise factor on its side.

>>716125198
>Realistically you just lure them to drop off from a destroyed bridge forever
Putting aside the issues of undead clambering up the shoreline for years to come, the entire narrative point of yonkers was how ego lead to the apocalypse. Half of the previous chapter was about how every fag looking out for themselves to the cost of everyone else let shit spiral out of control and yonkers was the nail in the coffin. People selling fake vaccines, rich fags trying to retreat behind walled complexes and maintain their degeneracy, and now even the upper levels of US command were still trying to look good rather than solve the problem. There are dozens of things they could've done better but they wanted to put on a good show for the news crews to instill confidence in the electorate and pretend that they had the issue under control. They would never do the smart thing and just pull back to the mississippi immediately, they would never use their scattered forces to patrol the suburbs and combat the spread, they'd rather waste all the time and manpower trying and failing to gather what they need for a big show so they could get themselves a shiny medal or congressional seat.
And for the other suggestions, sawblades need constant repair and incineration traps is just firebombing the city but with more steps, eventually they're going to catch something important on fire and at that point you might have well as just committed.
>3 of these monsters
Wait for you to run out of gas lmao. Who's going to get it to you? Every teamster and engineer is either dead or off with their family somewhere and the tracks are probably fucked because some asshole derailed a train so he could loot it.

>>716089476
Later resident evils let the BSAA actually function pretty well. The first dead rising also has the military clear out literally every zombie in half the areas you're walking through.
>>716125656
Does it hold up? I haven't watched it in years.

Zombies wouldn't even be tough in groups, since the first several outbreaks would likely just have them attack each other before even infecting another human. Cooperation (or at least non-aggression) would likely require hundreds, if not thousands, of generations of natural selection in order to out-compete the generic strains.

>>716125839
Its dumb because the retardation is written into the scenario.

Soldiers apparently forgot bringing enough ammo
Having people in lines with .50 cals as far as the eye can see would've reduced a horde of *any size*.

Tanks could've carried canister shot, white phosphor, engineers doing massive obstacles, flamethrower use, using vehicles as battering rams

All these things could've been employed and didn't because the author is a fucking idiot.

A zombie doesn't survive HE, no matter how much you cope about it. A zombie doesn't survive a 50 meter drop into hard asphalt, no matter how much you whine and complain.

They are super duper easy to kill.

>>716089646
>see summer of love
What now? Even shooting at them you suffer the consequence.

>>716089646
It'd be an issue if it started in, say, the slums of Delhi, or some African city. It'd probably be a few days before anybody even noticed, and by then the zombies would be tens of thousands strong, if not hundreds of thousands. Inept local law enforcement would be overwhelmed and then the military would deploy and it'd be absolute chaos as they attempt to contain the zombies. But even places like India and Nigeria would be more than capable of defeating a zombie horde. It'd just be very messily done.

>>716125839
>Wait for you to run out of gas lmao. Who's going to get it to you? Every teamster and engineer is either dead or off with their family somewhere and the tracks are probably fucked because some asshole derailed a train so he could loot it.

Jerry cans you bring with you, you colossal retard. You're also changing the scenario to fit your delusional takes.

The situation in "yonkers" was that the army could muster quite a few armored vehicles - they still had plenty of ammunition and fuel to make large scale maneuver, and this is always the case in these stories: "army holdouts will be able to make moves by scrounging fuel".

A construction vehicle is immune to zombie attack and can kill thousands of zombfags every minute simply by running over them and swinging heavy metal

>>716112827
It gets even worse.
>The SIR also typically fired the incendiary/explosive Cherry PIE rounds. According to Todd Wainio, who had been apart of the Road to New York, the weapons were typically turned in for inspection and that there wasn't even a single jam
I didn't get anyone who praise that book and author. It's genuinely stupid. Even the first dying lightand nmrih has better lore and logical lore than that.

>>716126420
>Jerry cans you bring with you
you're going to fuel a seven hundred gallon tank with jerry cans?

>>716126216
>A zombie doesn't survive a 50 meter drop into hard asphalt
Their body might be broken, but unless the brain and spinal column aren't destroyed then they could survive terminal velocity. A zombie doesn't need legs or arms to bite your ankle.

>>716126216
>Its dumb because the retardation is written into the scenario.
Yes and that is a fair criticism
>Soldiers apparently forgot bringing enough ammo
Soldiers don't handle that, leaders do and, like i just said, the leaders are egoists prioritizing another bradley over thousands of additional rounds (and they have to choose because the supply line is breaking down)
>Having people in lines with .50 cals as far as the eye can see would've reduced a horde of *any size*.
Sure, too bad they didn't have
>people in line as far as the eye can see
they had a couple regiments at most because the whole country is collapsing
>Tanks could've carried canister shot
They did, didn't solve the problem because its 10+ million people
>A zombie doesn't survive HE
Yes, it does. At 50m a 155mm howitzer is a 50% chance of killing a normal dude, there's a minimum range to call it because its not perfectly accurate, blue on blue is the worst shit ever and shrapnel sucks, not because it mystically vaporizes a hundred square meters
>zombie doesn't survive a 50 meter drop into hard asphalt
yes it does. its broken in ways beyond mentioning but it more than likely still has a mouth and maybe a limb that you will have to deal with eventually or else it'll at least keep calling more. Human beings can survive terminal velocity, 100% jelly thing like book WWZ zombies could (and probably the movie ones too, the amount of weight the guys at bottom of pyramids have to be holding up is enormous).

>>716101306
That reminded me of that chapter in the book where it was just a bunch of people in diving suit who had to deal with zombies who couldn't do shit against them, and the worst thing that could possibly happen to them is that they get overwhelmed and have to just lie there under a pile of zombies until their teammates could be bothered to come clear out the pile.
I'd love to see that with medieval knights.

>>716127019
>I'd love to see that with medieval knights
On ne passe pas
Really the reason why he achieved such popularity is one half hitting at the right time of zombie relevancy in media and the other half putting in schlocky moments that resonate with somebody out there.

Why sudden WWZ hate? Eceleb zoomer video did this?

>dies of a nut allergy

>>716102045
I want this kind of game, but as a slow TBS where the most important aspects would be positioning, resource management, and being aware of your surroundings.

>>716126558
You aren't driving large distances. These forces aren't traveling 100s of kilometers in one day.
And yes. You bring tanker trucks and fuel tanks for longer excursions. How is that strange?
>>716126610
A zombfag with every bone in his body broken, and every muscle torn is basically not a threat

Getting pushed by a bulldozer along with 100-200 other zombfags will reduce the combat power significantly. Arms won't be as strong, can no longer walk, can no longer lunge etc etc

Do this enough times and the zombie is just useless, and again, this doesn't cost humanity anything. All it requires is running people over and using high speed, heavy objects to tear them to shreds

>>716116859
>Muvluv did the same thing where it's just an endless cycle of
You didn't read MLA

>>716127353
>sudden
Max Brooks has been hated for years. I forget how long that Mr. T-Zombie survival guide image has been around but it's been a long time and mostly deserved because it's peak of the dunning-kruger on some stuff.

>There's people who think they are zombies and they go around acting like them and biting people and its a common enough phenomenon for everyone to know them by one nickname
the fuck was he thinking with this cartoony nonsense

>>716127353
WWZ is just objectively one of the shittiest zombie fictions out there.
In Romero's films the zombies themselves are actually pretty easy to deal with, random nobodies survive them as long as you have a gun or even just strong arms. The issue is that EVERYONE turns into a zombie when they die for whatever reason, anywhere.
In Max Brook's retarded jewish fantasy, the zombies are immune to overpressure and shrapnel 'just because' and it conflicts with the premise.

>>716127491
>You aren't driving large distances
Still needs fuel
>You bring tanker trucks and fuel tanks for longer excursions
Where are you getting the trucks? Where are you getting the drivers? How are you keeping them around, fed, safe, and able to reach your dumb ass on his empty 700 gallon tank?
>How is that strange?
Because society has broken down you twit. The infection has spread across literally the whole country, yonkers was the hail mary. Literally every single residential area is under threat of having its residents devoured in the middle of the night by roving hordes of the undead. You'll be lucky to even find competent drivers who haven't already fled north with their families or died, let alone to transport them, their trucks, and all their supplies to where they need to be with every highway clogged and probably every rail line broken or derailed.

>>716092702
Rights don't end at death!
Persecution based on mortality IS prejudice!

>>716089646
The United States hasn't won a war since WWII. You seriously think they could fight a fast moving creature that basically duplicates itself by a single bite with another person?

IRL, all the rich people would be escaping to their private islands, high government officials to their private bunkers, and the rest of you would be too busy worshiping guys like Trump and Musk to mount any kind of effective attack.

LOL

America defeating a zombie outbreak? We can't even defeat homelessness in cities with excess housing. We can't even fix a healthcare system despite spending more than anyone else.

>>716127353
The fans of the book hyped it up as one of the definitive zombie genre epics and people got curious. Naturally that hype invited a lot of scrutiny on it.

>>716127142
Oh I wasn't talking about the French catacombs divers, I meant the ocean divers who were in full anti-shark diving suits.
And yeah, his book was schlocky enough that anyone who enjoy the humanity-recovering-from-the-brink genre would love it.

>>716127635
>In Max Brook's retarded jewish fantasy, the zombies are immune to overpressure and shrapnel 'just because' and it conflicts with the premise.
I don't the issue. Especial because this is /v/ - Video Games.

>>716089646
the scale of societal impact depends on the kind of zombie
28 days later: easiest to contain, most deaths in a short amount of time but the chances of long-term impact are minimal
walking dead: significant long-term disruption to society, relatively easy to adapt but life would never be the same
project zomboid: shit's fucked

>>716127852
>Oh I wasn't talking about the French catacombs divers
I'm aware, but the french and english in the books are the closest we get to seeing people put on their armor. Too bad brook's is a faggot and hates the idea of full plate armor so he would just make it job instead of understanding that you'd be with 30 other people who are helping you if you get pinned.
>>716127857
The /v/idya game/move also has the military job to the undead in the battle of the bronx despite it making even less sense now that they can actually just get grenade launchered and flamethrowered to death instantly.

>>716127857
>I don't see the issue of adding nonsensical elements to a grounded setting
You're the dumbass reason why nothing can be truly wacky or truly serious anymore. Your retarded talmudic blending of all things makes them weaker, not stronger.

Zombie media never portrays the military as competent because it ruins the illusion.

We need a COD RE game with operator Chris and Leon leading tanks, helicopters and soldiers against BOWs.

>>716127852
>his book was schlocky enough that anyone who enjoy the humanity-recovering-from-the-brink genre would love it
Credit where credit is due. Not a lot of zombie media bothered to go for that. Everything is always fucked up beyond repair, while this didn't.

>>716128235
You got a glimpse of it in RE6 and RE8, people complained about that though.

>>716105217
yeah and they can it deliver in single sub
they could just drop them close to shipyards
no ships=/=no dday

It already has a game retard.

>>716128095
>I'm aware, but the french and english in the books are the closest we get to seeing people put on their armor.
Speaking of the English, I love their chapter and all the talk of how, in their darkest moment, the people of Europe returned to their roots and evacuated to the old castles. I'd read an entire book about just that.
A Stronghold-like wave defender game like that would be fun too, they are billions and the like doesn't really scratch that same VGH RETURN TO TRADITION itch.

>>716092093
Didn't TWD happen in a universe where zombies were never a concept in fiction? Like nobody has ever heard of a dead body coming back to life and turning people into more of them by biting?

>>716128630
You also mow down packs of hunters in revelations
Its dumb how they backed off it when its even easier to do regular survival horror in a setting where literally anybody is at risk of a bioterrorist attack and having to survive the long hours before the BSAA arrives

>>716091605
I do. It was based as fuck.

>>716128114
>You're the dumbass reason why nothing can be truly wacky or truly serious anymore
Nothing in video games is realistic.

>>716114483
the fuck

>uh you only hated this movie because it wasnt like the first two
Exactly. Especially with that ending with the zombie power rangers squad, for a second I thought I walked into a Dead Rising film holy fuck.

>>716128892
too bad it spent like 3 chapters in europe and it was just to hype up the british queen, dunk on the french and seethe at the germans (it's been over half a century just let it go)
But hey at least we can have more chapters about how smart and heroic people in bumfuckistan are for figuring out the pike square.

Fast zombies in the movie were better. Fast zombies are scary.