Thread 716319564

Why did these suddenly die? Talking DMC, Bayo and Ninja Gaiden-likes was fun

>>716319564 (OP)
suddenly? those game had like 2 competent dev team (platinum and tn) and thats it

HOLY FLIP WHAT the fuck was that new move!!

https://x.com/TeamNINJAStudio/status/1948397773860069444

>>716319564 (OP)
>Why did these suddenly die?
Pity bump that won't save the thread but in case the bait question did make me think.

Since millenial generation I haven't seen a single game dev studio of multiple people outside literal fangames.
Best you got is millenial slave labor in prior studios that are currently skinwalkers in name like Insomniac or NaughtyDog for the gayest specimens from gen x that blacklisted all the other talent that made our vidya.
Stylish Action outside Japan is from nerds who made it in their garage for nerds who dwell in their basement. Ever since social media hit the normalcattle sphere it just straight up vanished.
Barely any millenial brought their flash games to proper games statuses and any zoomer talent is devoured by roblox never in most malicious way.

Speaking of... zoomers consume lots of action stuff in roblox but yeh, it will die there.

>>716319564 (OP)
Because DMC (especially 5) is considered shovelware now while Wanted:Dead became the new gold standard for the genre.

we already discussed this shit to death, man
the only real answer to this question is
>executives are greedy fucks
>devs are lazy fucks
>both are uncreative fucks
>the average game-purchaser is a tasteless fuck

>>the average game-purchaser is a tasteless fuck
explains 10 milli dmc (dante may cry) moved

>>716319564 (OP)
They're hard to make and very few people understand the fundamentals of what makes them fun in the first place. But general threads belong on >>>/vg/

did they really replace the ever so iconic forward y with THIS shit?

>>716321904
not him but if dmc v was so succesful
where is dmc 6?

>>716322078
>They're hard to make and very few people understand the fundamentals of what makes them fun in the first place
excuses
ninja gayden and bayonetta always had bad sales

>>716322174
true, crapcom probably lied about the sales

>>716322279
yeah bro they sold so bad they made like 5 ngs and 4 bayos

>>716322409
>bayos
nintendo exclusive
fuck you

>>716322174
>where is dmc 6?
Itsuno became a hack after Dragon's Dogma 1 and only managed to salvage good elements from Donte's diarrhea of a game thus making DMC V a good game, but that was it.

>>716322409
Two nioh games have outsold the entire NG franchise, the remaster sold 240k copies in its first year which is less than fucking dynasty warriors 9 empires,

Devs who wants to appeal to a wider audience allways try to simplify the gameplay but it never works, it just makes the core fans angry. In realty casuals don't really care about depth one way or the other, they care about style. The success of DMC and GoW show this. You can have a deep action game find mainstream success as long as it looks cool and has good music.

>>716322770
It's because 3D NG is a dogshit game franchise that only contrarians pretend to like.

>>716322770
modern games in general sell more than older ones bc the audience is much bigger
modern gow sold much more than older games too, are they niche flops now?

>>716322960
Games are inherently about learning and adapting. They don't need to be simplified, just intuitive and make sense.
Nioh is an example of a bad way to do it. It'a a bunch of needless complexity.

>cicada surges mid-air
Nah bro got the infinite aura cheatcode, what the fuck?

>>716323346
>Nioh is an example of a bad way to do it. It'a a bunch of needless complexity.
I disagree because games are inherently about learning and adapting. They don't need to be simplified, just intuitive and make sense.

>>716323469
are you 18 bro

>>716323676
25.

>>716323346
I don't get why Team Ninja is so obsessed with Diablo loot. Nioh 2 and Stranger of Paradise would be some of the best action games ever made if not for that.

>>716323951
no reason to change things that work

>>716319564 (OP)
>Why did these suddenly die?
because every thread is filled with the same retards regurgitating the same points from previous threads. I mean just look at this thread
>resident Itagaki cock gobbler posting his webm collection
>DoA avatarfaggot
>random schizo posting the same ragebait "haha [game] is shit guise plz give me (You)'s xD"
>two or more faggots roleplaying and pretending to discuss the genre by asking mundane questions
>the same faggots making a 5 paragraph response to said question
>the same webms from NG4 posted
do you retards genuinely do not get tired of this? it's a piss poor attempt at trying to "revive" the discussion around this genre.

you retards fucking suck at this kek

>>716323951
It was part of Nioh since the beginning and you barely need to worry about it until ng+. They really should have cut it for Rotr though

>>716324019
no, I am enjoying my time here with my action bros making the good ol dmc bad ng good posts

>>716323951
Yasuda fucking loves diablo and poe, The loot is too integral to these games to just 'remove' it

>>716323949
>wasting your early 20s posting webms of some washed up old faggot
this is peak grim, even for action game schizos

No one buys hack n slashes because they were le deep and hardcore. Regular gamers might have seen the Main Menu once. Kamiya is gonna save the genre and put the hardcore gaymers where they belong. You'll be playing Nu GoW in the retirement home crying about the good old days when games came with manuals.

>>716324356
you're talking to a tranny retard he's gonna kill himself when he hits 30 lmao

>>716324019
I have a hypothesis the doafag trannyjanny died in ukraine or something, he's been totally absent for years, maybe he grew out of his autism

>>716324019
Not to mention how every time someone brings up an ACTUALLY NEW action game, it gets ignored and/or dismissed for some retarded reason. Despite claiming to be people interested in "involved mechanically complex action games" these faggots here will do anything but actually discuss gameplay mechanics
https://youtu.be/o3ejKEeRuVU

>>716325901
>gameplay starts with parryslop
aaand closed

>>716320835
Is it me or has he been replaced? Itagaki avatar has been talking strange as of late.

How do you do, my fellow jaggers?

>>716325901
>discuss gameplay mechanics
people here will tell you 2+2=5 just to argue with you, you don't want people here to talk about game mechanics trust me

>>716323125
Name me three.

>>716326194
Even you are feigning interest nigger.

>>716326329
i'm playing NG2 right now, i don't need a 4turd thread to tell me what to think about any action game
i just play it

>>716326028
>parries are done by being as agressive as possible and hammering the enemy with your attacks without parrying taking up any space
how is that bad exactly?

>>716322174
The team got busy with Dragon's Dogshit 2 and now the director is gone.

>>716325901
Ultrakill is cool but it's still an FPS. DMC isn't relevant to the discussion of shmups because it was influenced by them.

>>716326646
>He says with mork & mindy tab open at all times

>>716326145
Javvers you mean.

>>716319564 (OP)
the way the games are designed jail them from ever obtaining mass popularity. having a more tight knit audience who don't demand simplification and appreciate the vision is a worthy sacrifice, it's better this way. I think some of you guys would spontaneously combust if Ninja Gaiden was reinvented in a similar manner to GOW2018.

>>716326669
>aggressive
>waits for yellow flash

>>716319564 (OP)
do you own any J-Action merch?

>>716326863
Leave /ourguy/ alone.

>>716322174
It wasn't. Since release DMC5 has been a permanent bundle fixture so most of those 10 million sales come from people paying $2 in average.

>>716325901
People seem to be extremely picky and not willing to say that a game might not be for everyone; or that a game might be overall solid with a few noticeable flaws. It either has to be a perfect must-play or total shit not worth your time.

>>716325901
>6:45 -> 6:50
that moment is more skillful and precise movement than literally anything in any action game this place claims to be hardcore and involved

and then afterwards
>stomping to dodge a near-hitscan harpoon when out of stamina
>also doing it from offscreen out of a tiny soundcue while the player is distracted with two assrape swordsmachines with aimed ranged attacks that can deplete your health in 3 seconds
i will never understand how the FUCK /v/ isnt all over this game

>>716327112
You vastly overestimate how many people use these bundles

CAG is Time Trials with Performance Review. Now everyone can stop being wrong. (You won't)

>>716325901
>it gets ignored and/or dismissed for some retarded reason
thats dmc fags being dmc fags
>but you
played it in 22 for awhile, liked it, but then lost all the interest since its EA slop

>>716326925
>>>waiting
>in ultratroon
Why would you ever wait in that game? Theres nothing to gain while waiting and you unironically get more parries and counters by going all in on hammering enemies

>>716327210
>i will never understand how the FUCK /v/ isnt all over this game
Good and new. Has an actual community. Can't use it for political shitflinging. Hard to play at its hardest but still filling with mechanics and player expression.

Y'know everything /v/ hates.

>>716327210
/v/ aren't really all over anything, maybe like 5% of the board is actual game discussion

>>716327417
The best way to play ultrakill is by setting up sawtraps or trying to nuke enemies as they spawn. It's a speedtranny slop

>>716327290
>overestimate
Most people buy most of their games via those bundles.
10 million sales at $60-70 each piece should make DMCV infinitely more profitable than Monster Hunter and Resident Evil, but it didn't. It's because in reality people paid $2 for the game.

I now you love to pretend that DMCV made more money than the Call of Duty franchise and Elden Ring put together, but you need to face reality.

>>716326807
nah fuck off retards, its still a fun action game, it counts as a CAG

>>716327591
Where did i say DMCV made more money than cod? you're making up a guy to get mad at

>>716325901
>>716327562
I personally blacklisted Ultrakill due to its fanbase being insufferable. I blacklisted Signalis and Hollow Knight for the same reason.
It would mean kneeling to the people who hate the games I like and keeps telling me how they're slop and shit and I should play Ultrakill / Signalis / Hollow Knight instead.

>>716327696
So you're so mentally stunted you can't recognize hyperbole? No wonder you unironically believe that every single DMC5 copy was bought at $60 a piece.

>>716327576
Everyone that used to regurgitate this take is getting their shit kicked in by lategame shit that cant be melted by sawblades and forces you to be good at pressing buttons, speedtrannying is becoming increasingly less popular in the lategame as it becomes harder and harder to make it formulaic
You can just not use them, for normal play nailguns are arguably better now against the actually challenging content

>>716327576
>Playing optimally is for the heckin le scarey trannies!!!!!

>>716327376
Track mania part of the team?

>>716327727
>Hollow Knight
whoa anon that game is fucking great. Get over yourself and stop worrying too much about what shitposting idiots and underage children say on the internet, its time to have fun with great vidya

>>716327974
its a crappy 2d souls, fuck off shill

>>716327974
Again:
>It would mean kneeling to the people who hate the games I like and keeps telling me how they're slop and shit and I should play Ultrakill / Signalis / Hollow Knight instead.

Silksong alone ruined any videogame discussion this year.

>>716327835
Where did i say that? i just said you're overestimating how many people buy bundles, i highly doubt this game was going for 20 bucks a year after its release when it had already sold 5 million copies

>>716327956
unironically

>>716328109
It doesnt even have iframe dodges until extremely late into the game. It has its own healing mechanic instead of estus clone and the combat is nothing alike

What the fuck defines a "souls" game to you?

>>716327591
>10 million sales at $60-70 each piece should make DMCV infinitely more profitable than Monster Hunter and Resident
What the fuck are you talking about? MonHun and RE have better numbers than that and yes, they're also subject to the same types of bundles and discounts Capcom always does for their games.

Besides, your whole bundle argument falls apart the moment you compare DMC5's sales with the games it's supposedly being sold with, which haven't gotten nearly the same kind of boost. If so many DMC5 sales were from bundles you'd expect any title in the franchise to make it over 5 million but the only which has is DMC4 and half its sales are from the vanilla which came out over 15 years ago.

You can check the numbers yourself: https://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/million.html

games that are secretly part of the genre of games with good combat/mechanics:
THPS series
Burnout series (except paradise)
Ultrashill
RE4,5,6
Team Ninja masocore games
2d and 3d beat em ups
monster hunter series
dishonored

games that are secretly not part of the genre of games with good combat/mechanics:
dmc on easy/normal/hard/very hard

>>716319564 (OP)
It's a garbage genre. It's training wheels for fighting games and you never adapted

>>716328334
the combat is just as dull and the entire game is exploring boring levels without any substantial rewards with a heavy focus on boss fights

>>716328671
If I wanna play fighting games I got a get the groomer dlc too.........

>>716328671
fighting games are dead until tekken 8 season 3

>>716328109
Holy midwit

>>716328791
bossfights are like 1/10 the playtime, i dont think you have played the game

>>716327974
Don’t bother, he’s a retarded cuck who gets his opinions from Reddit. Except it’s probably even worse because he gets his opinions from Reddit by being a contrarian to whatever they say.

>>716329186
>On my ant farm, in my lane, relaxed, scritch scritch skreeto
Kino

>>716328671
Unlike fighting games, action games are actually accessible and enjoyable

>Can't pick up and play, instead you have to spend thousands of hours in practice mode, laboratory mode, memorizing frame data, memorizing wikias, watching tournaments
>Even if you do all of the above if you don't have the mental and hand-eye speed required (you have to react, analyze and then execute in the realm of the miliseconds) you will be unable to play
>Fighting game players only feel two things: emptiness when they win and rage when they lose

Even DMC sandbag jugglers at least have fun doing it.

>>716329154
bosses on average are harder and take more effort to beat than the ones you usually meet in metroidvanias, the game still has like 50 bosses, them being 1/10 of your playtime is just a byproduct of the games bloated runtime

See what I mean about Hollow Knight's fanbase being insufferable?
This is the kind of people >>716329186 I will never kneel to.

>>716329468
Good, don’t kneel. Tell me what your favorite games are, I’ll go see if there’s anyone on reddit who likes them and then you’ll never get to play them again

>>716329468
To be fair you're giving in to this made up boogeyman in your head. So wether you believe or not, you're already kneeling by not playing.

looks like I'm right again >>716326194 kek
what a garbage general

>>716329431
>bloated runtime
bloated? I played it this month and it felt like it wasted my time less than the recent metroidlikes ive played
>harder than average for metroidvania
I thought this was an action game thread

>>716329360
DMC niggers are the first to cry that games like dark souls which serve completely different purposes are shit for their simplistic design yet they are actually just le simple and accessible games now? Didn't you trannies used to act like getting le SSS good grade simulator was the epitome of skill?

>>716329820
If you do the hoop scotch with Nero while he's guard flying across the rivine you can double tap his exceed primal arch and do a triple collateral shot duo mach 7 but only if you time it on the 3 2/5th of an attosecond while pulling off the taunt but only if you signed the petition

>>716328531
where is dmc 6?

>>716329654
>you're already kneeling by not playing.
Given how I keep playing the games I like (and they hate) while not playing the game they desperately want me to play, not at all.

>>716330503
nobody cares about what youre playing

>>716330090
>bloated? I played it this month and it felt like it wasted my time less than the recent metroidlikes ive played
if running around dull levels without any significant rewards to find isn't a waste of time for you then nothing is, at best this game shouldve been a boss rush game akin to furi, bosses are the only remotely entertaining parts of the game
>I thought this was an action game thread
Sorry, the game is just shilled as the best metroidvaina which it obviously isn't and as an action game there's no point in playing it as combat is dull and simplistic and the only somewhat fun parts that involve combat (bosses) are broken up with hours of walking around and looking for fun

>>716330550
That's cause you're not a Quake Champion TM

>>716330617
i had many significant rewards, new abilities actually good charms pale ore dream nail dreamgate all that shit
flled with awesome areas like city of tears, deepnest, soul sanctum
The only non-retarded thing of your post is mentioning Furi because the game is kino. Wanting it to be turned a boss rush game is some DS3fag tier retardation, it has some of the coolest nonlinear worlds in vidya

>shilled
shilled? It sold like 20 million copies and counting. Who the fuck is "shilling it" anywhere? What does "shilling" even mean to you niggers??

>>716325901
ultrashit sucks
hakita said he was inspired by quake but its not true
there were no alt fire modes in quake
the most important part in quake was the multiplayer
there is no pvp in ultrashit
hakita was clearly inspired by the shock rifle combo from unreal tournament and the dumbass designed the entire game around that
FUCK HACKITA AND FUCK ULTRASHIT

>>716330550
But you care that I'm not playing Hollow Knight.
>"No, I don't care you aren't playing Hollow Knight either"
If you didn't t you would be so bothered with me and wouldn't have bother to reply to my chain of posts.

I will never bend the knee, and you can't do anything about it.

>>716330617
>furi
these game was so boring
the bullet hell sections were pathetic

>>716330985
im sorry for making the game i wanted to make instead of making quake 5

>>716331540
FUCK YOU

>>716330865
it has some of the middest worlds in vidya, nothing but gray shit that blends together and makes your brain go numb
>i had many significant rewards
100 useless cod perks and epic abilities such as "teleport" and "collect things" are a joke

>>716331750
you have 5 minutes to convince me you even played the game by telling me which boss breaks some glass

>>716332326
some slop bug like everyone else, played it 5 years ago and remember nothing about the game

>>716332570
>i didnt play the game
yeah figured as much, im on /v/ after all

>>716332680
beautiful cope, mr. "teleport in a metroidvania is an epic power up!"

>>716332792
>Played a couple hours of Senran Kagura Estival Versus and found it so shitty I dropped it and wrote off the franchise.
>/v/ claims that my opinion doesn't matter because I didn't play 200 hours and get all the achievements
I bet the next post will be a similar scenario, claiming that you can't hate Hollow Knight because you didn't get all the achievements on the base game and DLC and played 500 hours

>>716333039
with stupid people it's either "erm you didn't waste half your life on this game so your opinion doesn't matter" or "pft, why did you play it for so long if you hate it? Haha, what a dumbass!", the truth is that posts like this is just a coping mechanism for small-minded people.

I love mods

>>716334530
why dont action games have stuff like a 100 different costumes locked behind different challenges? shit'd be so fun to grind, instead just work for a letter in the end screen

>>716333039
The "glass breaking boss" from that post is in the first 1/5th of the game so its a pretty valid request

>>716334684
Because they'd rather sell them.

>>716319564 (OP)
Why would I engage with these threads when there's nothing but trolls in them that want to start a shit flinging contest between the fandoms?
Also any mention of dmc in the slightest is met with a bunch of faggots larping that it's the worst thing ever made

>>716319564 (OP)
CAG games died because all the people behind them got caught up in industry politics that halted the production of these games.

>>716334684
Game devs are loser faggots who would rather make it DLC or not at all than include cool and fun shit anymore.

>>716332792
>3 achievements (played less than 2% of the game)
>somehow didnt progress past that in 6 hours
so you GENUINELY didnt play the game for longer than 1 hour of content? so yeah the point up there is proven, you didnt even play the game

completely ignoring what i think of holliw knight, how the fuck can you accuse everything of being grey or the upgrades of being boring if you didnt even finish the first area

i want to see you ng faggots on actual hard games like gunz

>decide to play NG3 again
>have fun on day 1
>get the bow on day 2 and immediately remember why I don't care to play this game
Well that was short lived. Steel on bone is also pretty shit as far as centralizing mechanics go. They should have all been like the lunar's where it's not just a crutch mechanic for free undeserved instakills.

>>716322174
Because Shitsuno was working on Dragons Slopma 2. And now he’s not with Capcom anymore.

>>716335193
Day 2 is the worst part of the game outside of the final boss

>>716334979
I'm right here for you if you wanna talk about DMC. ^_^

>>716323951
I hate the loot shit too but it’s supposed to be for endgame.

I love action games but one simply has to accept that, for whatever reasons, the communities around these games are fucking trash. Just the worst, most insufferable, narcissistic people. That's why these threads are always bad: the people suck.

And the better the game the worse the community. I have never in my life seen a cesspool as bad as the God Hand community. Cheating, harassment, stalking, profiteering, a hostile takeover of the speedrun boards, it's bonkers.

>>716335443
Sin DT looks fucking sick

>>716335618
Nyagreed!

I particularly love how they used the same body plan for Dante's and Vergil's but the parts and details are unique to each of them. They're the same yet totally different.

>>716335132
genuine cope, it couldnt be any more obvious that you are a shallow shill

If Devil May Cry 1 and 3, Ninja Gaiden Black and Ninja Gaiden 2, Metal Gear Rising and The Wonderful 101 perfected the genre, then why does matter if the genre never gets any new games again?
When you reach the peak there is nowhere to go but down and if the genre is solved then there is nothing else to do.

are there any mods for nioh 2 that reduce the input bloat?

>>716319564 (OP)
But Ninja Gaiden 4 comes out in October. Not that I have hopes for it. I hated 2 and never even tried 3.

>>716335847
Jaggers just say words, Anon.

>>716335575
>And the better the game the worse the community. I have never in my life seen a cesspool as bad as the God Hand community. Cheating, harassment, stalking, profiteering, a hostile takeover of the speedrun boards, it's bonkers.
keep seething baldie

>>716335847
>GWitchposter
>is retarded

>>716336156
Case in point

>>716335925
What do you mean. It's already simple

>>716336417
keep seething bitch
you cant do anything about it

>>716336554
soulsloppers do be like that tho...

Replaying NGB now and I am highkey bored. Not looking forward to the ambushes.

>>716337332
.t does nothing but inazuma drop

>>716336695
You're really going out of your way to prove me right, anon
And yes, I am mad that legit runners that have been playing for years got deleted from the board in favor of some cheating fag and his friends, who wouldn't be?

>>716319564 (OP)
Same reason why other game genres die, the people who could made them moved on. MGR ended up being the last hurrah for the genre.

>>716335925
So reduce how many active skills you have on a weapon or what?

>>716335331
It's the constant bow usage that makes the game unfun. I don't play a melee action game to shoot shit.

>>716319564 (OP)
For me, it's Vanquish. I replay it once every couple years just like god hand.

>>716335575
>I have never in my life seen a cesspool as bad as the God Hand community. Cheating, harassment, stalking, profiteering, a hostile takeover of the speedrun boards, it's bonkers
I think that's just turboautists you see in every community.
Not trying to defend that though. Holy fuck

why’d they give Vergil a block in DMC5

>>716339743
I'm playing it for the first time and it's very satisfying to just spaz around the screen cancelling into melee, jumping against cover into slomo. Dedicated smoking button oh ye

the truth is that dmc is way harder than NG because you don't have a mini game to abuse and have to persevere with your fundies

>>716341619
>you don't have a mini game to abuse and have to persevere with your fundies
There's nothing to abuse because each game is a cakewalk

>>716341619
*jumps*

>>716341697
>>716341963
Oh yeah?

Post DMD New Game rankings.

>>716341619
dmc has no "fundies".

>>716342974
>Red orbs aren't isn't ain't currency

>>716337539
keep crying baldie

>>716329360
>action games are actually accessible
Actiontards... the golden lie of your genre is crumbling as we speak...

> My MN playthrough is faster than my previous 6 playthroughs

I had 3 RE playthroughs on normal (XBOX 360, WII U, and PC), 1 on hard, and another on vanilla on the 360 (laggy as fuck). The 360 scythe is so broken that I spammed it on the dino and it stunlocked him and skipped to the second phase. The second phase was also fucking easy, I spammed it and it went into that annoying auto-scroller. That move can also i-frame absolutely anything. It's like royal guard, if it has a hitbox, it will i-frame. Still on action games, I now realize how busted that joke move from Japanese God Hand is, it's free roulette.

Nah ngl heavenly justice coming back wasn't on my bingo card. I don't even need other weapons at this point.

>>716325901
It's because the game isn't Japanese.

ng1 - ng2 - dmc3 - dmc5 - soulslop

>>716339948
Every community has turbo autists but the action gane communities are nothing but.

Them catching on so hard in Brazil and India and Indonesia certainly doesn't help

bump