If Bananza's Pauline is literally the exact same Pauline from the games, then who the fuck is this Donkey Kong supposed to be? Is he a Nintendo-ified DK III, or is he a Rare-ified DK Jr?
>>716375736 (OP)it is a kids game, it doesn't have to make sense, they made Pauline a kid because they had to appeal to videogame reviewers
>>716375736 (OP)Hes who "Dafuq Kares" DK.
>overthinking tendie games
the worst kind of faggot next to 2 hour souls "lore" slop videos
>>716375736 (OP)cannot begin to imagine caring about actual bing bing lore
>>716375736 (OP)I don't care for Donkey Kong lore beyond the Great Ape War being funny, but him being DK Jr would be neat.
who fucking cares, fucking ninteniggers
Just take it as a stand-alone story that doesn't connect to anything, and you'll stop caring. That's what I'm doing. No matter what you try and do with Pauline, it won't add up. Cranky being there, being old, and referring to the arcade game fucks up anything you might think up, especially the "durrr it's a prequel" faggots.
>>716376332He is DK Junior. The movie said this, which Miyamoto helped write and had to approve. Hell, the Mario Kart World direct said this. Then DKC Returns said he's Cranky's grandson again. No one gets it the same as other media and Nintendo doesn't seem to give a fuck.
>>716375736 (OP)The same DK that defeated K Rool before. Dixie makes reference to DK2. Cranky recognizes K Rool and so does DK who tells Pauline those are the Kremlins.
>>716376384We Nintendo fans care about our franchises.
>>716376418What if he's DK Junior, but Cranky was already a grandfather in the DK Junior arcade game and we've never seen the father?
>>716375736 (OP)Donkey Kong. The story of Arcade happens twice with two different sets of characters
>First Arcade incident: 8 Bit Kong (Cranky) fights the man in overalls (Jumpman) for the original, unnamed damsel>timeskip>Donkey Kong is born>Mario, Peach, and Pauline are born years later>Country series: Donkey Kong grows up and goes on adventures>Bananza: Donkey Kong meets Pauline>Super Mario series: Mario grows up and goes on his adventure>Odyssey: Peach turns down Mario and he hits it off with Pauline>Second Arcade incident: Mario meets Donkey Kong for the first time during Donkey Kong's long awaited reunion with Pauline. Donkey Kong goes bananas and kidnaps PaulineMARIO AND DONKEY KONG'S RIVALRY BEGINS HERE
>Arcade 2: Donkey Kong Jr, DK's son, breaks his father out of jail and Donkey Kong resumes his monkey business>Arcade 3: Stanley defeats Donkey Kong and Jr>Donkey Kong 94: Mario fights the Kongs again>Mario vs Donkey Kong seriesBananza and Odyssey's climax bridge the Mario, Donkey Kong, and New York timelines together. The 50th anniversary title will be a retelling of the original Donkey Kong game,
>>716376828>the original, unnamed damselAnon I think you need to update your pasta.
>>716375736 (OP)you need 5 hour game theory lore explanation to understand that he's actually a son of Chimkey Kong and inherits the spirit of original Donkey Kong Donky Kong that is not Donkey Kong Jr Jr, but the original Donkey Kong which is Cranky Kong
The timeline seems to add up I don't really get it.
>Cranky already admitted to being the OG Donkey Kong that was kidnapping ladies
>Pauline is neither of the two ladies
>DK is Junior, always has been
What about this doesn't line up?
>>716377226DK is Cranky's grandon, not his son.
>>716377334It doesn't really matter. Point is it's the same DK as Country.
>>716375736 (OP)>THE MONKE IS SUCCESSFUL>Gorilla Era: typewriter sealed>Chimp Era: banana protected>THE MONKE IS DEFEATED>expired banana
>>716375736 (OP)He's Kiddy Kong obviously.
please kill yourself if you care about baby nintendo game lore
>>716375736 (OP)Videogame companies do not care about continuity. They laugh at you every time you try to connect Zelda or Sonic games as part of some sort of larger narrative.
>>716377623...except this game continues off of DK Country as stated by the game itself.
>>716375736 (OP)Where does Donkey Kong Country TV show fit in the timeline?
DK-94
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>>716375736 (OP)He's Donkey Kong. Remember that the Donkey Kong that kidnaps Pauline has a son, DK Jr. Pauline is younger here, so it stands to reason that so is DK. DK has a son after this experience, and is a single father by the time the famous kidnapping occurs.
DK and Mario games never really tried to have coherent timelines, the babies in yoshi's island and mario kart are the biggest examples
>>716375736 (OP)Dude obviously Marioโs dad coming after DK was him being a weird sperg and DK was trying to help Pauline evade the creep
>>716375736 (OP)They retconned Lady and Pauline again into being two separate characters. Lady was kidnapped by Cranky in DK Arcade, and Pauline is her granddaughter.
>>716376775He looks more like DO junior and cranky in n64 looks like DK
>>716378171Considering Dixie is in it, I'd say probably sometime after DKC3.
I saw a retarded streamer complain that King K Rool wasn't foreshadowed at all
Incidentally, he was rushing through the game and failed to find Cranky even once until the very end
This should fix the timeline.
>>716375736 (OP)It's just fucking Donkey Kong. Jesus fucking christ.
This isnt lord of the rings or some shit. It's just fucking Donkey Kong. It barely has a story.
Gorilla like Banana. Big bad tries to steal Bananas. Gorilla defeat big bad.
That's Donkey Kong.
Fuck off trying to make sense of it or an autistic timeline. It's just a character to push gameplay mechanics.
>>716375736 (OP)You probably watch youtube videos about Bugs Bunny's official timeline.
>>716378917Tell him to play Star Fox Adventures, now that is a game with truly little to no foreshadowing to the real villain twist.
It's only foreshadowing being cheat tokens and pic related cutscene where retroactively Krazoa God Andross is telling you to get the spirits to revive him.
Is Mario torturing Cranky Kong cannon?
>>716378917It seemed obvious when crocodile skeletons were the majority of the bad guys and the majority of the game was littered with Rare-era DKC references. Then again, I'm not a retard.
>>716375736 (OP)Nononono, for the last time, the game is set AFTER the Great Ape War but before the Kongo Bongo Gone Wrongo pandemic
>>716379450What were the cheat token giveaways? I only played the game at launch, still haven't revisited it. I hope it gets added to NSO, I feel like enough time has finally passed for me to replay it.
>>716379042Do I have to be autistic to understand this?
>>716376515Kremlin if he real
>>716379042Where does lanky fit in
>>716379874Why does DK kidnap Pauline after befriending her?
>>716376980Does she have a name now? Pauline is lady, but now we know there had to be something for Cranky and Jumpman to fight over.
>>716380046To keep her away from Mario
Cranky is just DK but traveled back in time
>>716380046He's dumb and got too excited at the idea of going on another adventure with his friend.
>>716379658Not really.
I made lines illustrating the relationships between the Paulines and the Kongs.
>>716380071Her name is Lady, they're separate now
here's how you fix the timeline
>DK Jr never grew and just stayed as a small child looking monkey even when he's an adult
>he eventually finds a nice girl monkey and conceives Donkey Kong III
>he mentors his son like a Yoda kind of guy in DK 94 and Mario Tennis
>>716380040Lanky is not biologically related to Donkey Kong.
>>716380046Monkey moment.
Neither Mario or Pauline hold it against him since none of DK's rampages compare to what Cranky put him through in 94.
>>716380129Then why does Pauline have Lady's cosmetics?
>>716380209He's canonically a distant relative.
>>716380176what about Pink DK JR?
>>716380353same as Junior except he went and fucked Satan who later gave birth to Ghastly Kong, which is why both of them are pinkish
>>716380298It's called "Lady's Dress" and not "Pauline's Dress" because it's not hers.
>>716380113Doesn't work since DK would recognize "Pauline Jr" since he interacted so much with her mother.
>>716380475That's because it's the "dress of a lady." It's a lady's dress.
>>716380298Those are references that don't impact the lore.
Pauline III does have her own Pauline dress, and Mayor Pauline passed her hat down to her.
>>716380176I think you could make it even simpler by just saying "Junior is Cranky Kong's adopted son, and Cranky is simply a parental figure, not actually related by blood."
Then Junior can stay small in DK94 and Tennis so it's not weird if he appears alongside modern DK.
>>716380452So the Bananza would be after tropical freeze and before barrel blast?
>>716380353Just an alternate palette
>>716380113Why would Nintendo create weird relationship between Mario, Peach and Pauline?
It's a fucking kids IP, and I'm pretty sure Nintendo doesn't have relationship status between characters concrete on purpose to avoid the characters having a relationship diagram of a soap opera.
If you aren't shitposting and unironically think this is real then you're autistic.
>>716380113This looks like some kind of incest.
>>716380339Donkey Kong is a gorilla, Lanky Kong is an orangutan.
They are not supposed to be biologically related.
Kill all USAnian subhumans.
>>716375736 (OP)Doesn't matter. The only canon is Nintendo wanted to bolster the IP and make money so they made a new game
>>716380452I love this monke shitpost
>>716380648You latinxs are so annoying. You should go away and stop complaining all the time.
>>716380610Mario Jumpman and Mario Mario are two different characters, and are not biologically related.
>>716380612you are bringing science to donkey kong now?
>>716375736 (OP)I guarantee that nobody at Nintendo thought about it for more than 30 seconds.
It's all Cranky kongs fault if his little "I'm the arcade DK" shtick didn't exist it would all make sense.
>>716380836This might surprise you but just because they are different species in reality and therefore can't be relatives doesn't mean the same logic applies to the Mario world.
>>716379042Left out the great banana split.
Useless.
>>716380871A lot of people don't realize Cranky's entire shtick was being meta as fuck.
>>716380612Orangutans are what make up the Manky Kong clan.
What I REALLY want to know is how the Great Ape War fits into all this????
>>716381125Well it would have already happened at this point since this game is post DKC games.
>>716379042>>716380113Is this how Mario ended up with Pauline?
>>716381125Funky isn't in this game because he's fighting in it
>>716380046Penor get hard
Brain no work
All they had to do was make an entirely new different kid character and none of this shit would be confusing.
Why would they do this to themselves? Are they retarded?
>>716375736 (OP)DK in Donkey Kong Bananza is DK in Donkey Kong Bananza
Nintendo does themes, not lore.
>>716381698Pauline might as well just have been Diddy.
>>716381625Please excuse him, he's autistic and there's nothing we can really do to stop him. Just ignore it.
>>716381625sorry I forgot to include Wario as the sloppy thirds guy
>>716381698>Are they retarded?Same company that thought Zelda needed to be reinvented as a Ubisoft game and that "Sounds of the Shortbus" would make the perfect soundtrack for Yoshi.
I just started the Landfill Layer (Layer 1000)
Without spoiling what comes up next, how close am I to the end?
>>716381945Last layer is 1600
>>716376418>The movieThe same movie where Pauline is the mayor of NYC and not a child??
>>716381698>monke game>confusingI feel bad for people with autism needing a concrete answer to everything.
They brought Pauline in because calling back on the past game generates more interest than relying on the usual side-kick, they turned her into a child because old Pauline looks too much like a bimbo to be a side protagonist.
Timeline and relationship doesn't exist because the game is all about bing bing wahoo, references to past games may exist but it's nothing more than that.
>>716378672Why is it ok to retcon lady and pauline but not to retcon cranky?
>>716382197Because the game cements this DK is not the DK in the arcade game through the fossils.
>>716382197Because they specifically didn't retcon Cranky. There's several references, from him and otherwise, that maintains his backstory as the original arcade DK.
This is the most coherent timeline.
>>716382298>otherwiseThat fossil "reference" is not a reference. It's a joke about how ancient the arcade games are. Cranky literally cant be a fossil
>>716382180I know it's hard to wrap around your head, autist, but even stupid kiddy stories need to make sense. Them bringing back Pauline just to be a headline catcher is cringe as fuck and just as bad as youtube click baiting. It's not my fault they wanted to make it lazy and a generic cashgrab.
>>716382369why doesn't Mario age
>>716382396>It's a joke about how ancient the arcade games areThat exact joke is literally Cranky's entire character.
>>716382275It also cements that cranky isn't arcade dk either then. It's literally just a meta joke about how old the arcade games are
>>716382369Doesn't work as I already said DK would recognize Pauline since in your made up timeline he interacted multiple times with her mother and father
>>716382430He does, Nintendo just doesn't tell us.
>>716382429You sound like you're the one with dysfunctional autism, you're literally sperging out over Donkey Kong not making sense
>>716382452You know, the fact that he just says "back in my day rivals had overalls" isn't much of a confirmation either. He isn't even saying he fought mario directly or anything. It's just him being an oldfag and referencing the fact that the kongs used to be the enemy of mario.
>>716382496He would recognize Pauline, but her daughter might look different enough that DK doesn't recognize her as Pauline's daughter.
Or he does, and he decides to help her.
>>716382429Miyamoto has repeatedly said he doesn't care about continuity and sees the mario cast similar to old cartoons like popeye. There is no continuity, just a cast of characters the Nintendo will fit into whatever story they currently feel like telling. If those old cartoons could pull it off, why can't mario?
>>716382429It's less headline catcher, but more to do with them wanting to divert from the usual status quo to differentiate itself as the flaghship Switch 2 title, from the usual mid-low budget donkey kong game like Tropical Freeze
>>716382429Bringing-in new character for marketing sounds less cringe than being adamant about protecting the cherished history of monke banana timeline
>>716375736 (OP)DK 94 is the one that keeps fucking up the timeline, isn't it?
>>716382641Consider the following: Miyamoto's a retard.
>autistic fans wants to keep everything in a timeline
>creator wants to make shit without having to be bound to canonicity
>turns the series into a multiverse
timelining shit is a mistake, embrace retcons
He's Kang Kong and you'll hear him 'fore you see him cause I got him in my trunk
>>716382429>even stupid kiddy stories need to make senseThey don't if they started out as an barely-comprehensible bleep bloops 40 years ago, what's the point of caring about a kiddy story that's comprised of a perpetual after-thought?
Guys what did Dixie mean by this
What if Arcade is Cranky vs Jumpman, but Mario fights Donkey Kong in the next 3D Mario game? How would people react to Bowser taking the backseat?
>>716383975there is no age of consent in ape society
>>716381698Because Pauline now gives vital context as to why Donkey Kong starts kidnapping Pauline years later upon finally meeting Mario. Donkey Kong doesn't love Pauline, he just hates Mario. He thinks she's too good for the manlet plumber.
>>716384076>noa censoring completely harmless shit I fucking HATE THESE FAGGOTS.
So Cranky battled Jumpman back in 1933 atop New Donk City Hall.
What was his name? King Donk? Was he a tyrant? Did he rule the city with an iron fist? Is that why Cranky shits on his grandson so hard?
>>716384308Good explanation as long as this isn't canon anymore https://youtu.be/5J6nhRduvTc?si=DM-6U_DhLHFCPgq0&t=20
>>716384517Donkey Kong loves the minis, which Pauline could give him leverage for
>>716384308>>716384517What's wrong with DK wanting to fuck Pauline? Bananza doesn't change that.
>>716384517>Mario climbs to the top>they were just having a tea party the whole time>treats her far better than Bowser treats Peach>Mario and DK chill out>GOOD ENDHow angry is Cranky right now?
>>716378171holy hell, they really got away with cg like this back in the 90s. I could open gmod and recreate this scene.
>>716384712Nowadays it's social taboo to want to date a childhood friend. They consider it grooming. But really, we don't know DK's age but Pauline is confirmed to be exactly 13 and people just assume DK is older.
I laughed at the "No style. No grace. Funny face." Lanky sign in New Donk City at the end.
>>716384712Because the concept if child grooming is now known among the mainstream populace. DK would immediately be branded as a pedophile, so it's safer to compare him to a protective father figure to Pauline than a rival lover.
>>716384810The animation itself is motion captured.
>>716384829implying gorilla fucking a human isn't already a taboo
>>716375736 (OP)>THE GREAT APE WARhttps://youtu.be/CbErcHRVTcI?si=KeyqA4tTaMfnOreH
>>716379457Yeah, Game and Watch: Donkey Kong Circus, he whips DK to make him do tricks.
>>716383557This isn't like Zelda's convoluted, borderline fanfic split BS. This timeline is actually leading into the next game. Nintendo has laid the foundation for the birth of Mario and Donkey Kong's rivalry in the next big 3D Mario game in six years. It's going to be a huge moment for the franchise.
>"Why six years?"In six years, It'll be the 50th anniversary of both Mario and Donkey Kong, as well as the 98th anniversary of their inspiration, King Kong. Nintendo is autistic as fuck with anniversaries, and these are huge milestones.
Seeing a lot of people say that K Rool felt like a Ganon fight this time around but am I the only person that got major Kirby vibes? Standard final boss fight, then the crazy eye'd soul version? Whole game felt a bit Kirby, honestly. Not a bad thing, but yeah
>>716384751>Donkey Kidnaps Pauline because Pauline chose to kiss Mario toy over DK toy>Mario enters DK's room, Pauline is just chilling on sofa>Picks up and kisses DK toy over MarioDid she really do it with DK?
>>716385457The moment where he gets covered in rotten banana goo reminded me of pic related a little.
I can't wait for the expansion by the way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ5jxG6eCh8
I feel like the ideal Donkey Kong game would be this
>64 exploration and level design
>Jungle Beat movement and minigames
>Country platforming and atmosphere
>Bananza combat/destruction
>>716386618This all exists.
It's called Donkey Kong Bananza.
You're welcome.
>>716387191If I can't pummel the shit out of enemies like I'm Kenshiro then I don't want to play it
>>716384994I don't think people would care as much about a Diddy/Pauline romance because compared to DK Diddy looks like a kid and is about the same size as Pauline. They'd find it weird, but not offensive. DK would trigger modern society's knee-jerk aversion to anything that even looks like pedophilia.
If you're over 10 years old, you're outside the target audience for this game
>>716375736 (OP)Pauline in the game mentions a grandma she lives with, this is the original damsel in distress from the Donkey Kong arcade game that Jumpman rescued from current day Cranky
>>716389789so Jumpman had sex with original Pauline, gave birth to Pauline II and Mario, and Pauline II and Mario had incest sex, then gave birth to Pauline III?
>>716390053actually, the original damsel was named Lady, as seen by the in-game costume for Pauline called Lady's Dress that dresses her up like the original damsel. as for their ancestry, maybe Jumpman and Lady didn't have kids together at all?
>>716390053Mario Jumpman is not related to Mario Mario.
>>716390217If the concrete proof of Pauline III being Mario's daughter, is her having Mario like mannerism and wearing blue jeans then
Mario Mario must definitely be related to Mario Jumpman as Mario Mario clearly inherits mannerism and genes of Mario Jumpman, even more so than how Pauline III inherits Mario
>>716390379The movie might have retconned Mario Mario and Mario Jumpman as separate characters.
That retcon could now be in place for the games, even if the games and the movies are on separate timelines.
>>716390559So if Movie disproves that sharing mannerism doesn't equate to characters sharing genes then, shouldn't the same be applied to Pauline III?
>>716375736 (OP)>Timeline fagsWhy are you like this? Do you guys do this with Mario games?
Why don't you fucks ever take into account the Galaxy 1 universe reboot? That can explain retcons
>>716391015>galaxybecause no one played that garbage
>>716388525Then why would they use nostalgia bait like K.Rool?
>>716390662No, specifically because Mario and Pauline are together, and because there are more facts pointing towards Bananza Pauline being a new Pauline besides her having Mario's mannerisms.
>>716391356>specifically because Mario and Pauline are togetherThat's your headcannon
>there are more facts pointing towards Bananza Pauline being a new Pauline besides her having Mario's mannerismsThat won't equate to her being an offspring of Mario, she could be a child or Luigi or Wario or who ever the fuck for all we know
>>716391497Mario and Pauline might be together again after Peach friendzoned Mario, and Bananza Pauline can only be Mario's offspring because Pauline is associated with Mario.
Was the Harmoneel stage the final test stage of this game?
It was kinda short. Harder than Darker Side but only because of the start and end. Rest was pretty easy and I guess you could cheese it with those health regen things. Was kinda disappointing though, wasnโt really that fun. The zebra and snake rehearsals were pretty good.
>>716376418>No matter what you try and do with Pauline, it won't add up.DK arcade is everyone's grandparents.
DKC happens when DK is a teen ape.
Bananza happens.
DK 94/Mario vs DK/Super Mario series happens.
This isn't complicated.
>>716391659>might beYeah and Mario might've ended up with Daisy or Birdo, or maybe Nintendo is giving zero fucks about it because it's just bing bing wahoo.
You treat Peach friendzoning Mario in Odyssey like a huge plot point in this super melodrama called The Super Mario timeline, when in reality it was nothing more than a punchline to conclude the self-contained game.
>>716391998This implies current DK fucked and DK Jr is his son.
>>716392051No it doesn't.
>But 94!Literally presented as a stage show. DK is performing as Cranky, Diddy is performing as DK.
Or, the more honest answer: some extremely minor inconsistencies are going to exist when the branding was taking form.
>>716392051DK Jr is the dark timeline where DK impregnated Pauline and gave birth to a cursed child, DK Jr
The reason why Mario uncharacteristically tortures DK in that game is because DK cucked him
>>716392051Yes, he had DK Jr with Candy Kong
>>716392002You might think it's a punchline, it sort of is, considering what we've heard recently, but people thought they were going to live to see Mario and Peach finally get married.
>>716375736 (OP)He's Donkey Kong Jr, and this game takes place after the DKC games and DK64 since they were all referenced in this game.
>but the timeline doesn't make sense!Who cares?
>>716376828I really do want a Mario/DK crossover, but like an actual big budget game and not the puzzle one, I donโt even care if itโs 2D or 3D
>>716392267> but people thought they were going to live to see Mario and Peach finally get marriedThat's retarded, Mario isn't a continuous tv series, it's a fucking self-contained video game brand.
They are going to continue keeping the status quo like they've been doing it for the last 4 decades.
He's not going to marry Peach, nor he's going to marry Pauline, get a fucking reality check.
What happened to Chunky Kong?
What happened to Kiddy Kong? Did he ever grow up?
If anything, the DK timeline still makes perfect sense. Every game he or Cranky appear in are all perfectly linear and so release order is "canon" order.
It's just the sacred "Mario timeline" that is completely fucked by having a child Pauline and a DK inspired New Donk City existing at the same time.
I think with how many times Pauline mentions her grandma in this game it's clear that the Nintendo writers like Rare's concept of DK being the grandson of the original DK and want to hint at it being the case for the other characters, it's just that they're never going to openly state that being the case for Mario for whatever reason.
>>716392503>What happened to Chunky Kong?He's dead.
>>716392503They're probably on DK Island with everyone else who didn't care enough to go to Ingot Isle
>>716392503Kiddy Kong grew up, but we didn't
>>716393517He's called Chaddy Kong now...
>banana bird and KAOS fossils
>K. Rool busting out the jetpack
Lots of love for DKC3 in the game.
Then DK was born at the same time as Mario and he's also a teenager during DKC/Bananza, it's just not as obvious because he's a gorilla. He acts like a 90s teen in those games, too.
>>716375736 (OP)It makes more sense when you realize that Cranky Kong being the original DK is Rare fanfiction that was never canon. (Like Diddy being DK's nephew)
>Cranky Kong never kidnapped Pauline>Cranky Kong is pursuing K. Rool >So DKC is a prequel to Donkey Kong. Cranky Kong in Bananza is the Donkey Kong from that game. So basically what this means is that once Donkey Kong ages, he becomes Cranky, and his son becomes the 'new Donkey Kong. The chronology issues come about because everyone just assumes that Cranky and Donkey Kong are always the same people AND that the games occur sequentially.
Specifically, it is clear that looking at the lore that Jungle Beat is the FIRST in the timeline (The Great Ape War described in DKC's manual) where Donkey Kong established dominance over other Kong tribes. DKC happens after that, and then the Retro Country games, and then Bananza. Pauline is NOT kidnapped until she is an adult, and then Mario dumps her for Princess Peach.
>>716393605he incorporated kaos into his jetpack, too. It also explains why it's rocket powered now and how he caught up with DK and Pauline so fast.
How many New Donkers died at the end? K. Rool did some Sonic Adventure shit but with banana mush instead of water.
>>716392002Sorry anon, but you're straight up wrong, Peach hasn't been kidnapped by Bowser in any game released after Odyssey, we can infer from this that he has accepted her rejection, likewise, it suggests that Mario has also stopped pursuing a relationship with her.
Everyone who saw the ending understood what it meant, and the recent games have only reinforced that meaning.
>>716394021I like how everyone had the same fucking thought during that scene.
>>716394021There were no casualties.
It was just a banana roof.
>>716394253>only just now noticing enguarde has a add toobest sword fish i love you
>>716394253>new donk City is still DK themed in spite of him not living there and not having saved the city yetWhat did Bananza mean by this?
>>716394420It also looks more modern.
>>716394420They were really impressed by the epic battle between Jumpman and young Cranky.
quit trying to make sense of a timeline that never existed before the creators had any idea people would be sperging about a timeline in the first place
For all the arguments about the timeline, it really is just a clash between Odyssey and Bananza that's causing it, which are two games made by the same team.
There is no explanation for Donkey Kong Arcade happening, New Donk City existing, and Pauline still being a child without this Pauline being a child or even grandchild of the Pauline we know was captured in Arcade. And there is no way Nintendo will ever confirm any of the human Mario characters have children, so this will never be confirmed or answered.
>>716375736 (OP)should have made a dkc tropical freeze 2
>>716377620Couldn't have put it better myself. Actually flabbergasted faggots actually care about this shit. Defo got a funko pop collection and a trans son if you care about DK lore.
>>716379626Half of the "cheat" tokens are actually messages for Fox. One of them is "A message about an enemy" and goes
>"His Life-Force is strong. His existence is like a virus. I can hear his breath in every corner of space. He will not only use the evil hearts of others. But he can also corrupt those that are good."
>>716380046It's the only way he knows how to be with her, just like the films they copied.
Where the fuck to the Mario vs DK games go?
>>716394253That's gonna stink real fucking bad.
>>716383975>>716384076Comparing the Japanese text in this game to the English localization is going to be very interesting. I've done this with a few lines from K. Rool:
๏ฝฅ๏ฝฅ๏ฝฅใญใตใใใๅฐๅฐใ่งฃใใใฎใ (...Did you guys break the seal? )
ใชใฌๆงใฏ ใญใณใฐใฏใซใผใซ ใใใๆณฅๆฃๅฃ ใฏใฌใ ใชใณใฎใในใ (I am King K. Rool, leader of the Banana Thieves Gang, the Kremlin! )
ใใฃ! ใฏใฌใ ใชใณใฎ้ฃไธญใฏใฉใใ !? ไฝฟใใใใคใใ๏ฝฅ๏ฝฅ๏ฝฅใพใใใ (Gah! Where are the Kremlin guys!? Useless bunch... Well, never mind.)
ใใฎใชใฌๆงใ ใใใซใผใใๆใซๅ
ฅใใใฎใ !! (I will get my hands on the Panaroot!!)
Off the bat it's interesting how NOA went out of there way to give K. Rool's presence more of a continuation from past games, declaring himself to be back in action whereas the JP version just has him formally introduce himself as if he were a new character.
It's kinda the same thing with his last line: ใชใฉ๏ฝฅ๏ฝฅ๏ฝฅใชใฌๆงใฎใฉ๏ฝฅ๏ฝฅ๏ฝฅ๏ฝฅ๏ฝฅ๏ฝฅใใญใใญใใใใกใก๏ฝฅ๏ฝฅ๏ฝฅ๏ฝฅ๏ฝฅ๏ฝฅ!! (Ooh... My... gooey bananaaa...!!) wheras the NOA version has him screaming about his plans being spoiled yet again.
>>716397026DK immediately recognizes him and gets angry so I don't mind the change.
For each new DK game there is a new iteration of DK and the characters in the periphery of him and there are hundreds or thousands of years between entriee
I thought Switch 2 was going to get rid of the "too jewy to take a loss on the console haze" ?
>>716375736 (OP)time is convoluted
>>716393703I hope this CHANGE makes it back into Smash and they make his recovery slightly more versatile and less shit-tier in return.
After playing bananza I decided to go back and complete my half finished save of dkc2 after playing through dkc1 years back
Mfw I realize the king K rool's attack patterns in bananza with the bullets are an homage to dkc2
>>716394495Anyone else get major Sonic Adventure vibes from the DK Bananza human NPCs? Also why do we literally only see them for two seconds? NDC should have been a postgame area.
>>716375736 (OP)Pauline is 13, it's not unthinkable to think that DK is 10 years or so younger here.
>>716375736 (OP)It feels nice to finally have a 3D Nintendo platformer that's on the level of Galaxy 1 and 2 again.
>>716379874Where does Country returns fit into this
>>716383401Miyamoto might be a retard but he just made the best DK game in over 20 years.
Dk achieved immortality rhrpugh bananium exposure and pauline inner necromantic chants
>>716397026For once I'll go out of my way to say NoA's take is the canon one, K Rool's presence as a whole doesn't work without DKC's context.
>>716399028Don't apes live to like 40?
>Donkey Kong Sr. is the original arcade DK and Rareโs Cranky
>Donkey Kong Jr. is MIA since the Great Ape War
>Donkey Kong III is Rareโs DK and Retroโs Cranky
>Donkey Kong IV is Retroโs DK and Bananzaโs Cranky, may or may not have been Kiddy Kong before this.
>Donkey Kong V is the one in Bananza
>>716379042kid Pauline and major Pauline are the same character
>>716402371What aboit Diddy and Dixie?
>>716402787eternal ageless beings
>>716402340They do but at the same time this is cartoony logic and kongs are kind of threated as their own species
>>716375736 (OP)Is there any indication regarding if Chunky Kong is alive, dead, or ressurected in a Taco Bell parking lot(He's finally back)?
>>716375736 (OP)DK is dead during the events of the Mario games (spinoffs don't count) since the Country/Bananza games happens in the past. Notice how DK doesn't appear on a single mainline Mario game
>>716402605DK is normalfaggotry tho
>>716380505>That's because it's the "dress of a lady."NTA, but Iโve actually been looking to see how other languages call the dress. The Spanish version of the game uses the term โVestido de damaโ which does technically translate to โladyโs dressโ, but uses the generic word for lady rather than it as a given name. Was also able to find footage of the German version and while that game uses the word โLadyโ for the lost items fossil (though kind of hard to tell if it was meant as an Easter Egg or a definitive separation of the characters), it uses the term โLadylike outfitโ for the dress, again not attributing it to a separate character. Been trying to find footage for other languages, but itโs been difficult for any that are not Japanese, which calls it โLady One-pieceโ. Also, the German translation calls the Family outfit the โRetro Dressโ, which to me it seems to show that it is indeed meant to be a Famicom reference.
>>716375736 (OP)nope, the lady in the arcade game is a different character from Pauline. Why? No clue, especially when Jumpman is still explicitly confirmed to be Mario
>>716402605There's a quite a lot ground to cover between normalfag and being a giant fucking sperg.
>>716397026The Japanese version is trying to avoid confusing new players since it's been so long since the last DK game with K. Rool.
Dixie references the events of DKC2 so we know there's no reboot.
>>716379042is this implying pauline is mario's half-sister?
if they had pauline 3 together that would be incest anon
>>716394021They still decided to name a street after K Rool so apparently the citizens weren't entirely against the changes he made to the city
>>716397026Did you notice that the localization changed Dixie's line about Candy Kong?
In the Japanese original, she says she'll keep it a secret from Candy that DK was hanging out with a girl (Pauline).
In the localization, she says something like "Candy would be jealous if she heard that the three of us (DK, Diddy, Dixie) met up".
It seems even as a joke the implication of DK x Pauline was too much.
>>716382369The devs literally said Bananza was a prequel to Odyssey, so putting it after doesn't make sense.
>>716376139at least the souls "lore" is useful
>>716375814Bananza devs literally told Mario and DK fans to think about the ages, retard.
This is the most correct version of the timeline supported by facts and interviews. Cranky Kong is not Donkey Kong.
>>716409423They did not say it was a prequel to Odyssey, they asked us to theorize about Pauline.
>OG Donkey Kong (Cranky kidnaps Lady, saved by Jumpman Mario)
>Yoshi's Island (Mario Mario & Luigi Mario are born, but are taken to the wrong parents)
>Yoshi's New Island (Mario & Luigi are taken to the correct parents thanks to Future Mario)
>Yoshi's Island DS (DK Jr, Peach, Wario, and Modern Yoshi are born)
>Yoshi Story (Modern Yoshi goes on an adventure with other young yoshis)
>DK Jr (Jr saves Cranky from Jumpman Mario)
>DK Jr Math (Jr's unnamed brother appears, presumably Diddy's dad)
>DK3 (Cranky fucks up Stanley's garden for some reason)
>DK Country (Jr grows up and goes on an adventure with his nephew Diddy)
>DKC2 (K. Rool kidnaps Jr, Diddy and Dixie go save him)
>DKC3 (Kr. Rool kidnaps Jr and Diddy, Dixie and Kiddy go save them)
>DK64 (Jr, Diddy, Tiny, Lanky, and Chunky save the island, K. Rool's brother accidentally smacks his plane underground)
>DK Bananza (Jr goes on an adventure with Pauline, Lady's granddaughter)
>Wrecking Crew (Mario & Luigi briefly work for Foreman Spike)
>Mario Bros (Mario & Luigi start up their own plumbing business)
>Super Mario Bros (Mario & Luigi end up in the Mushroom Kingdom)
>...
>Super Mario Odyssey (Mario & Pauline celebrate the NDC Festival, reenacting the events of OG DK)
>>716376384They go to a weird amount of effort to build lore in this game, for instance they also seem to confirm that 1980 DK is not Cranky as you find his fossilized corpse at one point?
Prior to this game I did not give a fuck, but now that it's very clear they are trying to develop a timeline (what with the final act and all its associated dialogue) I am actually intrigued, because it still seems batshit
>>716375736 (OP)The three Pauline's theory holds up the best.
>original Pauline who was kidnapped by Cranky and saved by Jumpman>Jumpman and Pauline have three kids, Mario, Luigi, and Pauline II and Cranky has DK JR>DK JR has current DK as a son, and the Pauline from bananza is the daughter of Pauline II
>>716411270The fossils are not corpses.
The fossils are just references.
>>716411380Mario and Pauline can't be related.
People should understand that Jumpman can't be biologically related to Mario in order for Mario and Pauline's "new romance" to work.
>nintendo
>lore
>donkey kong is le good guy but wait he also kidnaps women
Explain
Will these two ever appear in a new game?
>>716375736 (OP)The DK Bananza Merch in Japan outright says and confirms that DK is the same DK as arcade DK, outright saying his first debut was in DK arcade and bananza is a prequel
>>716411852He modeled off King Kong, King Kong wasnโt trying to hurt Ann Darrow, he thought he was protecting her
>Universal sues Nintendo over Donkey Kong and loses
>Universal is now making a Donkey Kong movie
funny
>>716375736 (OP)DK is DK and Cranky is Cranky. Cranky was never DK. DK Jr. was never DK. DK Jr. never appears in future games because DK abandoned his son like a typical black father. Also, why does loline have such a phat booty?
>>716395832>How dare people get invested over a game they spent $70 and several hours on! Stop talking about things I donโt like!
>>716375736 (OP)lady & pauline are different characters
>>716413836why are you such a retard?
>>716415170He lies about lore because he is afraid that Mario might have a daughter.
>>716375736 (OP)This is DK Jr. AKA D.K. the Liberator
D.K. III (Donkey Kong the Peacemaker) is the Donkey Kong who is concurrent with Mario.
>>716375736 (OP)pauline being young actually doesnt change much. just means lady and jumpman are seperate characters now which makes sense anyways.
the only thing we dont know is if the game has the movie retcon of DK being crankys son or not and funnily country DK could still be dk III in this instance if cranky is actually dk jr(he could still make references to the arcade games since he was there). unfortunately this would mean og DK is dead though
>>716417462>Cranky is DK JrHuh, I don't think anyone has come up with that possibility before.
>>716415170It's a literal joke not meant to be taken seriously. Besides, britfags don't matter. DK is Miyamoto's and Miyamoto says DK was Mario's pet, and took Pauline out of spite, and that after rescuing Pauline from the clutches of DK, Mario went to the Mushroom Kingdom. It's in the background at the end of DK (94), the official remake of the arcade game. Pic related, the official manual for the 1983 NES release. Mario is Mario, DK is DK, Pauline is Pauline. None of your comments by Brits or kike movie crap is relevant.
>>716417936bananza retcons this though. there will always be more games that align with rares vision than miyamotos now
>>716390217Mario is Mario faggot.
The Mario in Mario Bros is the same one in DK.
Official manual from the game and watch Mario Bros in 1983 the one with first mention of Luigi.
>>716397026Donkey Kong as a series is more popular internationally than in Japan, plus we know from the smash ballot stuff that K. Rool was heavily requested outside of Japan. They probably left his line a bit more generic to not confuse players that aren't as familiar with DKC whereas NOA didn't really need to worry about that as much and went all in on the fanservice
>>716417936Originally it was just a joke yes and Cranky being the OG DK never really made sense with Mario and Jumpman being the same person (Rare probably never thought of this)
But Bananza confirms that Cranky is the OG Dk meaning that is what Nintendo is taking as canon going forward
>>716380046>kidnaphe dosn't know...
>>716418978Screenshot me for proof senpai.
My timeline
Crankyโs youth
>Original arcade game (Cranky was horny)
>DK Jr
>DK 3
Main Donkey Kong
>Jungle Beat (DK amasses the hoard)
>DKC 1-3
>DK 64
>Jungle Climber/King of Swing
>Retro duology
>Bananza
>>716418754I thought Japan loved the Country trilogy
>>716375736 (OP)Next DK will be titled Donkey Kong's Time Travel Multiverse.
>>716411127Honestly, DK JR being modern DK makes sense to me
>>716380612>>716379042and yet your pic has pauline, a human, hook up with mario, an italian
I feel like weโre leaving out the possibility that DK during Bananza was the same age as Pauline
I mean, Chunky is a kid and heโs fucking gigantic
>>716419249They did. DKC alone sold 3 million on SFC.
>>716417462The movie is a separate canon, it's very explicit about Mario and Luigi being from the real world, but never implies that Cranky and Donkey are also from there and not native from the Mushroom Kingdom's world. Cranky doesn't recognize Mario and doesn't seem to be too familiar with humans, neither does Donkey, so it just seems that in spite of the set pieces the arcade DK never happened in the movie canon.
Of course it's possible that the DK movie also retcons this but that would make it clear that at least in that canon Jumpman is Mario's grandfather because it's very clear that the events of the movie are the first time Mario meets the Kongs.
>>716419616This. Elder Kong refers to both DK and Pauline as 'youngsters'
>>716419616kiddy kong being a literal toddler this could be correct
>>716412136Stanley died of liver failure. You can already see his jaundice.
I think they should do more inexplicable shit like this. Like in the next game Luigi should just be Mario's 15yo brother and there should be no explanation given and then that's just the character from now on. And normal Luigi is referred to as "adult Luigi" in Smash and Mario Kart etc.
>>716420132tbf mario isnt jumpman in the current game canon either
>>716419616I assumed that dk, diddy, and dixie are just young
>>716422487I mean Diddy and DK clearly aren't the same species.
Nintendo cared more about loli pandering than timeline bullshit
>>716419616This implies DK was doing this shit at 11
>>716380046He didn't kidnap her.
D+P=L
Yup, Lanky Kong is the true heir to the banana throne, he was born in the Tower of Joy which is why he has a funny face
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The continuity of Mario and Donkey Kong games should be taken as seriously as the continuity between episodes of ATHF or, if you want to use Miyamoto's own example, Popeye. Think of the characters as digital actors that can fill many story roles. Imagine Luigi of Arabia and Alec Guiness is replaced with Cranky.
Regardless of where Bananza technically lies on whatever timeline, they'll eventually release a game that doesn't agree with that timeline. I think this game implies that DKC happened long before Mario even had a mustache, like maybe around the time Yoshi's Island was happening? It won't stick. But I suppose it's amusing to consider.
>>716375736 (OP)I think it's pretty blatantly clear that loli Pauline was a late change in their development from it originally being DK and Diddy ridding on his back. Pic related
>pauline's story feels tacked on and out of place>pauline just happens to be the exact same size as diddy>pauline does acrobatics on top of DK in idle animations>pauline bangs her chest like a monkey in cutscenes>her COOP ability is to bring up a target on the screen and shoot stuff her her peanut gun... no sorry that make too much sense she shoots voice bubbles instead
>>716424105i think your theory is retarded and your evidence is circumstantial at best
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>>71642360711 years old for a gorilla is 20 to 25-ish in human years so that checks out
>>716424105Diddy can't sing. He can only rap. This theory is debunked.
>>716424462Or Kongs just age slowly
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>>716424105Glad they touched up that DK render as well. His mouth piece was way too big and the brown dust around the eyes was not a good look.
>>716413678Is it going to be that faggot Seth Rogan as DK again?
>>716424901we haven't heard otherwise so probably
>>716419249It sold well but it didn't retain it's presence as a social zeitgeist as well as the west did for DKC, probably because Dragon Quest V was so big in Japan people remember SFC as a Dragon Quest console than a console for Nintendo games
They probably re-introduced K.Rool because of that, but it feels like they wanted to go for NoA text though if they didn't had to re-introduce him.
I'd like to imagine Cranky is old because he didn't eat enough bananas.
Like, bananas are shown to have mystical properties in this series, so why not just make it so that they actually function like the peaches of immortality for Kongs
>>716424105I'm pretty sure they made that render as the final render for the DK/Diddy redesign project (Diddy barely changed compared to DK but he still is still re-rendered for this)
I don't think it has anything to do with the game aside from the game using the redesigned-look, the model look nothing like the in-game model
>>716424462I think with old theories kongs had to age fast. after bananza kongs age more like humans which is a good thing.
>>716375814>it is a kids gamebullshit, a kid couldn't buy it.
A very important detail is that Donkey Kong has never appeared in a mainline Super Mario game despite being one of Mario's biggest rivals. They obviously haven't met yet. Mario's age provides a very good explanation for why the two series never crossed over before outside of spinoffs.
So we know the following:
>Mario and Donkey Kong haven't met yet
>Mario and Donkey Kong are both friends with Pauline
>Mario and Donkey Kong have been to New Donk City
>Pauline most likely lives in New Donk City
>Mario and Donkey Kong become rivals
The only mystery is how the two become rivals over Pauline. It'll most likely be expanded on in the very next 3D Mario game while also exploring Cranky and Jumpman's original feud.
Do you retards actually think Mario and Donky Kong would age or are you just shitposting?
That's like thinking Mickey Mouse would age or not, they are perpetually a Nintendo mascot, and they'd never age.
>but muh Cranky Kong
That era was pretty much free to disregard because the series back then had an identity crisis due to its technical limitations, the girl is sometimes called Lady, sometimes called Pauline, Mario is sometimes called Mario Jump man, sometimes called Mario Mario, Mario is sometimes saving Peach, sometimes abusing animal in-front of Donkey Kong Jr. Rare just made a little call-back easter egg with that by referring all that mess as the "past", I'm pretty sure it wasn't meant to be a genesis for Super Mario timeline.
>>716375736 (OP)you want lore? how about this?
Mario galaxy 1 ending restarted the marioverse and the new verse is called the New Donkverse?
>>716426974t. didn't play Bananza
>>716424462In real life a male gorilla is already sexually mature at 13 years old and in captivity can potentially survive up to 60 years. They do become adults faster than humans (and don't have a cultural concept of adulthood obviously), but they don't, in fact, become elderly significantly faster than we do.
DK looking already adult (and already having a girlfriend) while being about the same age as teen Pauline is certainly much less farfetched than Cranky apparently being the same age as a youthful Mario and Pauline.
>>716375814I hate this faggy train of thought. Its like the tards that go "Its a movie about space wizards and magic!! Of course the storm troopers miss there wouldn't be a movie if they hit on target!!"
>>716426674In the old canon, Mario owned a restaurant and gave free pizzas to Kong (Kong lived in the zoo for some reason).
Do you think they'll keep that part?
What the hell was his problem?
>>716375736 (OP)https://baraag.net/@SpectralPen/114873054147366946
How old do you think K. Rool is?
>>716430662Problem? He made it to the Planet Core before DK.
>upgrade to stay in Bananza form
>Kong's fat ass keeps making me want to fap
This game is a struggle.
>>716432407 Crocodile life span is comparable to humans so he could be 30-50 years old
>>716375736 (OP)It's not a retcon, cigfy shiggy is just cementing his legacy!
>>716375736 (OP)DK is the same ape. He ages very slowly and he groomed Pauline from a teenager to then kidnap and marry her. Makes as much sense as having young Pauline being a separate character to Lady.
>>716419616>DK is 13 in Bananza>He's mining for bananasThe children yearn for the mines
>>716375814Did these reviewers go to the island too?
>>716390559>The movie might have retconned Mario Mario and Mario Jumpman as separate characters.The guy in the movie is called Giuseppe and not Jumpman. He also has a necktie, which Mario didn't have in the og arcade.
Also the name Jumpman was never used in Japan and is localization-only.
>>716377620>implying his favorite series has SERIOUS CONTINUITY
>>716433264https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbsXOSl9pHE&list=WL&index=1&ab_channel=GTS%E2%98%85HUG
was hoping pauline would get a bananza form, but I guess the madlads didnt want to go this far
Mario doesn't have a canon and Donkey Kong has always been Donkey Kong.
>>716436657>Mario doesn't have a canonBut he does have a headcanon.
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>>716436657>Mario doesn't have a canon
>>716375736 (OP)In Odyssey, Mario looks nothing like the "creatures" in new donk city.
If Pauline is suppose to be a native to Donk, then that either means that Mario is a human (and humans look like cartoon characters) or Mario ISN'T human (and the Donkians are).
That means that Pauline and Mario are a different species and they might age differently.
Mario might be a Toon, Toons are long-lived, while Pauline is suppose to be a human, thus she ages like us. If it been 8 years between Odyssey and Bananza, than that means the 13-year-old Pauline of Banaza will later grow into the 21 year-old Pauline of Odyssey.
>>716378171It shows that Nintendo are disingenuous as hell, as DKC TVS proves that DK ISN'T "rigid" or " unexpressive" as this DK gave us the most funny DK faces around.
>>716436897odyssey was just an incoherent mess. nothing was aesthetically cohesive in that game its like they had no communication between people making assets and people just made whatever
>>716375736 (OP)>>716380452Nintendo is such a poor and crappy archiver that people are trying to create a timeline for Donkey Kong just like the did for The Legend of Zelda, DONKEY KONG?
Where does this fit on the lore?
>>716435378Crocodiles never fully stop growing and don't show many outwards signs of aging, considering how big the fucker is he could very well be over 70.
I was thinking that Bowser potentially could be even older since he's a turtle but Yoshi's Island kind of confirms he's about the same age as Mario, Kamek on the other hand is probably ooooooold.
>>716436897that's just what manlets look like, they are not human
>>716381065Is that supposed to be Earthworm Jim's gun? The shoes are clearly Sonic's.
>>716391163That's some weak bait.
>>716382641>Miyamoto has repeatedly said he doesn't care about continuity and sees the mario cast similar to old cartoons like popeye. There is no continuity, just a cast of characters the Nintendo will fit into whatever story they currently feel like telling. If those old cartoons could pull it off, why can't mario?Miyamoto got promoted OUT of working on the Mario games, and now oversees the theme park and the movies. These are technically more important, but they also means he doesn't do the day to day work on the new mario games. The new people clearly do care about cerating some kind of continuity.
Bananza appears to be them attempting to bridge the Donkey Kong Country, Donkey Kong, and Mario, universes, and turning them into one.
>>716375736 (OP)shouldve made a dkc tropical freeze 2
Who keeps necro bumping this thread
>>716436897Thanks for the headcanon buddy
>>716375814> made Pauline a kid because they had to appeal to videogame reviewersToT ##!
>>716443953>cranky Kong is not Donkey Kongthe source from his shit stained asshole
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>YFW discussing mario and DK lore is more interesting than talking about souls lore
>>716383975https://baraag.net/@SpectralPen/114873054147366946
>>716445427This is the 4th time you put you've posted this in a Bonanza related thread what the hell is wrong with you
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