Thread 716399642

I want to get into Fire Emblem games. Where should I start? I've seen a lot of people here post screenshots from the GBA games.

>>716399642 (OP)
play Gaiden or Fates: Conquest for the nintendo 3ds

>>716399758
Don't listen to this anon, this is a troll recommendation.
Play Gaiden or Fates: Revelation if this is your first FE.

>>716399642 (OP)
FE7
or
Awakening
or
Three Houses
Pick whichever one looks the coolest to you.

Ignore >>716399758

>>716399642 (OP)
The GBA games except for FE8 are overrated imo, but nothingless still decent games to start with.

Do not play Fire Emblem, it causes severe mental illness.

>>716399758
go fuck yourself

>>716399993
Calm down

>>716399642 (OP)
play engage now!!!

>>716399642 (OP)
If you want to play the GBA games, here's a quick guide to their difficulty:

Sacred Stones is the easiest, followed by Fire Emblem, and the Japanese exclusive Binding Blade.

>>716400595
I refuse to play Engage purely on the basis of how bad that character design is

>>716400940
you should really play the best fire emblem game

>>716400940
You don't like Colgate-chan?

>>716399965
Why? I was contemplating playing them.

>>716401209
>two very bright colours in her hair
>heterochromia but opposite to her hair
>perfectly symmetrical fringe
She literally looks like a deviantart tier OC. The one thing she's got going for her is making pussies canon.

>>716401708
>The one thing she's got going for her is making pussies canon.
I didn't play Engage, what?

>>716401783
Her Heroes outfit has a visible vagina outline

>>716401945
i love the divine one

Starting to feel like it’s just the same people making the same questions/answers for the sake of starting a thread

Damn it, he found us out.

>>716402917
Same, this is why I recommend Rev

>>716401945
That's hot.

>>716399642 (OP)
I need to get back to playing this shit. I was enjoying it, but life blew up and I kinda lost track of playing it. Dorcas, Sain, Hector, and that one big tank fucker (Oscar?) were my core. Lyn, the purple flyer girl and the archer girl were tagging along because theyre hot and the brat cleric girl was born to be tickled relentlessly.

>>716403492
>15 spd
>on Dorcas
HOLY

>>716401945
>dragon pussy for ants

>>716403492
Jesus that Dorcas is blazing fast

>>716403903
>>716404067
Yea last time I posted it everyone said the same thing. I gave him a speed buff thing because he was slower than everyone except the big tank dude, but then I remember he got like 4 straight level ups in stength and speed and just took off. Sain too, he got strength over and over. I guess I was lucky

>>716400940
Yeah? Well I refuse to play every FE except Thracia because every other Lord besides Leif has danger colored hair. Beat that.

>>716403903
>>716404067
Dorcas when he stops eating poison mutton.

>>716404490
Even with a speedwing, youre way ahead. Like he averages 13 speed at 20/20
>Sain too, he got strength over and over
Thats normal. He sometimes struggles with speed and skill, but Sain is overall really good.

>>716399642 (OP)
The gangrene starts at Awakening so anything before that

>>716399908
What this guy said.
FE7: GBA game. Simply called Fire Emblem in US. First one we got, has a lengthy tutorial to really give the basics.
Awakening: 3DS game. Resurgence popularity for the series, (after previous game, FE12, was unreleased in the West). Lots of varying QoL, a custom char creator, and lots of content and a whole second gen of units mechanic. Will probably need to find out how to get the SpotPass data and DLCs.
Three Houses: Biggest release thus far, primarily developed by Koei Tecmo. More of a character focused approach and the first release for Switch. It’s cool if you like the whole Three Kingdoms vibe Koei games does. I’d personally wait a bit to see if there’s an updated version coming for Switch 2. It’s rough visually.
Engage was the latest console release but it’s also an anniversary celebration. Which can kinda fall flat considering half the games never got a western release, and more than half of the player base is new.

what is the best Fire Emblem where you (your lord / avatar) can impregnate a milf?

its not 3hrt you mentally ill troon

>>716403492
DorcGOD

>>716401148
>>716401945
>>716402428
Nudist beach sex

I'm actually curious if anyone came into the series via the Warriors spinoffs or TMS

>>716399642 (OP)
GBA games are the perfect entry point anon. Everybody else in this thread is trolling

>>716407762
There's a few SMT fans who actually like TMS so maybe them.

This game impossible to beat without abusing emulator saves not intended by the developer

>>716399642 (OP)
play Path of Radiance on Game Cube emulator
trust me on this

stay away from Troon Houses
stay away from gachas

>>716400940
based

>>716399642 (OP)
Start with the GBA games. Then continue with the radiant duology. Then stop (unless you're some sad weeb sack whose into the most embarrassing cringe shit).

>>716399642 (OP)
3 on the SNES since it's a good game on its own and comes with an abridged remake of the first game. It pretty much establishes everything the later games either build on or retread. Otherwise just pick whichever game looks good to you, they're mostly standalone.

>>716409545
>>716409743
I always find it funny when some FEfags act like certain games aren't anime while others are.
As if cute girls, marriage and winning due to the power of friendship was some shit that was only introduced to the franchise through Awakening/3H/etc.

>>716410043
I mean the first 2 are pretty common in a lot of stories.

>>716410043
When they say too anime it's "anime I dont like".

>>716412538
Honestly there’s always been a weird “anti-weeb” stigma with western nerds that grew up in the 90s and primarily played western games.
Look at how Expedition 33 blew up in popularity and every large streamer is shilling it, when it’s just fundamentally Xenoblade 3 with a French realism look.

>>716412538
>>716413724
>implying the anti-weeb sentiment is wrong
That’s just called being normal, since Eastern weeb media is full of degenerate shit like pedophilia and incest, case in point, Fire Emblem itself.

>>716414008
I mean at least Japan hasn't had a president who openly diddle kids and one who protects kid diddlers.
Or a protected minority who teaches kids sex and want to groom them.

>>716410043
Neither of those posts said the earlier games aren't anime, you schizo. There are massive stylistic differences between stuff like Lodoss War and Gundam, or stuff like K-On and throwaway haremshit. They're all anime regardless.

>>716414008
Do you not know about the whole CIA/Mossad blackmail operation that use pedophilia to cause all of western countries to comply to Israel? Wake up nig.

Nigga heil Abe

>>716404008
How's this?

All Fire Emblem games are anime, but what normalfags mean when they say something is "less anime" they mean "the game less anime tropes that make me insecure about liking it"

>>716415039
THE PUSSY THAT CAN SAVE ANYTHING

>>716412538
>When they say too anime it's "anime I dont like"
Look at the pic of engage in this thread and then of Erk and Serra talking. Theres no way they are even comparable in styles anon.

>>716410043
>>716412538
It has nothing to do with anime, it's about design philosophy. Compare Lyn's complimentary colours and simple design to the bright, clashing colours of this overdesigned abomination >>716401148

>>716415452
I loved the GBA era of char design cause they were designed to be simple to translate to the small sprites better and stay recognizable.
Like Erk has a hood he doesn’t have up in artwork, but his battle sprite uses it.

>>716415997
>Like Erk has a hood he doesn’t have up in artwork, but his battle sprite uses it
Anon, you know that's just a reused Mage sprite from FE6, right?

Noish>Alec

>>716415436
>Theres no way they are even comparable in styles anon.
Of course because they have a generational cap of like 20 years.

>>716416430
Exactly my point. They couldn’t make a unique sprite for him cause of the limitations, so his design reflected that.

>>716414008
You’re not saying anything new tho, bro. Everyone knows anime has its trash side-the same way western media has 50 years of degeneracy under its belt too. The difference is anime doesn't try to gaslight you into thinking it's "progress." At least Fire Emblem lets you commit war crimes with your waifu instead of dragging you through a 20-minute cutscene about feelings and pronouns. Pick your poison.

>>716416609
>mid>mid
WOOOOOW MINDBLOWING

Alear>Heath

oh ok

Relay?

>>716414210
>I mean at least Japan hasn't had a president who openly diddle kids and one who protects kid diddlers.
Japan has that too, they just hide it better cause of Shame Culture.

What's the correct playing order for FE games?

>>716422013
engage, then play which hero you like

>>716422013
By release date

>>716422013
THE ONLY "ORDER" THAT GENUINELY MATTERS IS TO PLAY FE9 BEFORE FE10

>>716399758
I get it's called garden but the game box clearly says Echoes not gaiden. Don't confuse our newfriend

>>716422013
Pretend you got into FE in 2003 and play FE7-12 first, then play some of the Japanese only games, then play the modern stuff.

716422430
You are the brand new my friendo!
716422013
Play smash brothers and then fall into a trance watching youtube out of the corner of your eye.

>>716399913
They are overrated, but also are the best looking 2D FEs. That and nostalgia carry a lot of water.

>>716422386
Wrong, you shouldn't play FE9 and FE10 at all

>>716415390
absolutely manko
fire emblem is saved

I wish I was pregnant

The holy trinity of peak Fire Emblem

>>716423795
Only women can get pregnant

>>716423795
From who?

If you don't play the first game on NES you are a faggot

>>716423965
You cannot do that. SDatBoL was on the Famicom, not the NES

>>716423965
But FE was never localized on the NES

>>716423901
Correct, so that's okay for me
>>716423929
My Dimi of course

>>716424043
>>716424018
Gomenasai Ken-sama

>>716424018
>>716424043
you can use a famicom->nes adapter

>>716399642 (OP)
Play the GBA games
If you enjoy them, play path of radiance
If you enjoyed radiance, play radiant dawn
The 3ds games are kinda shit
3 houses is just persona with a fire emblem skin.
I have heard literally zero good things about engage.

If you like retro, you can try some of the older games but mileage may vary.

>>716425234
Holy shit taste

What is her FE class?

>>716425234
>>The 3ds games are kinda shit
Can't beat Conquest Hard, huh?

>>716425234
Based taste

>>716425480
>>716425665
The series went way too far into the waifufaggotry, shipping culture and the self insert nonsense for me. They might be a generational thing since I grew up on the GBA/PoR/RD and then the series died for 5 years. The modern FE girls look like they belong in a gacha game.
I don't play FE because the girls make my peepee hard. I'm not looking to get married or have them over for tea or pet them or whatever bullshit that is.

>>716425753
Oh, that's even worse, you're talking about games you haven't played.

>>716423886
I genuinely wonder how someone could call RD "good"
Can someone enlighten me?

>>716425753
You can admit to being filtered by the difficulty. I grew up with 7 and I don't give a fuck about modern character designs.

>>716425920
It's the best the series has been since FE5

>>716425665
god I love Conquest Hard

>>716425920
RD is a top tier FE mechanically with some great maps. The only thing that brings it down is the split army structure and unfortunately it REALLY brings it down for me.

>>716399642 (OP)
FE7 (Blazing Blade) has a comprehensive if long tutorial that teaches you almost everything.
FE8 (Sacred Stones) is considered a pretty easy game so not a bad place to learn what conventions work and what don't.
FE13 (Awakening) was a popular entry point for a reason. It's difficulty is just right for new players imo and has other elements to keep you playing if the gameplay doesn't immediately entice you.
FE 14 is technically three games and of those games Birthright is basically a more refined Awakening so also a good place to start.
FE17 (Three Houses) is a bit controversial as a starting point since it plays pretty differently from the rest of the series with the Monastery being a pretty involved thing outside of combat. Story but especially characters are considered strong.
FE18 (Engage) was made with new players in mind and features flashy gameplay mechanics to make it more appealing. The story is divisive but it is very fun to play. Since it features characters from past games it's also a pretty logical jumping off point to the rest of the series, though it does spoil a few surprises of older games.
As far as the main grid-based turn-based strategy goes every game pretty much plays the same as far as stuff like damage calculation and hit rate goes.

>>716426045
Is the bar so low?

You can play SNES FE after all that if you're a real Fire Emblem fan. Or you can just pretend to be one. It's up to you.

>>716425903
I literally sat down for tea with bernie in 3 houses. I tried giving those games a chance but fuck I could not stomach going through the school bullshit.
I don't care for the self insert in awakening but guess what, this dry toast character is hard written into the story so you cannot just pretend he doesn't exist.
And you cannot look me in the eye with a straight face and say "no this >>716401945 character doesn't belong in a gacha"

>>716426495
FE4 gameplay is dogshit though

>>716426196
>Empty maps with OP units and an obvious solution provided to you at all times
>Great
(lol

Lissa

>>716426551
As a whole, I agree, but it has its novelties. It's more important to have a foundational understanding of the roots of the series.

>>716410043
Speaking as someone who started with Awakening and only recently dipped into GBA Emblem the GBA characters and tropes do feel more subdued compared to more recent entries. Could just be that I haven't unlocked enough supports because it's too much of a pain in the ass for me to focus on it in game.

>>716426685
No, the modern games are just a lot more tropey and over the top anime bullshit.

>>716426685
Most Fire Emblem characters are one-note in general because it's hard to characterize people that only have a few hundred lines of dialogue, this problem's exacerbated by cast size. It's not a problem exclusive to Fire Emblem, tons of games have issues with this and even novels, though SRPGs usually have a larger cast size compared to other games so this sort of problem crops up more in them.

>>716426563
2-E and 3-10 are probably better than most of the maps in whatever game you like

Marriage with Marianne!

>>716425526
Sandnigger

>>716426992
I'm actually a 2-E defender but you're going to get eviscerated saying a map is well-designed when you can beat it by literally ending turn with Elincia for the entire map.

>>716426992
>Elincia's traffic jam
>Ledge abuse: the map
>Good maps
Kek, it's telling that these shit maps are the best that Radiant Yawn has to offer.

>>716425526
>freckles
they went the extra mile to make her fucking ugly huh

>>716427326
imagine having no taste

Which games are the hardest?

>>716428047
FE7, the Archanea DS games, Awakening and Engage. Conquest is also pretty hard.

>>716428047
Sacred Stones, Birthright, Awakening, Three Houses

>>716425753
so play it for the gameplay bro
>PoR/RD
oh wait you must not care about that either la mayo

>>716428047
FE12 and conquest by a pretty wide margin

>>716428047
h5 ds games
lunatic+ awakening, for a while

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM_n0T_cbCA
>makes a video about judging that Engage is bad without playing it
>Deletes an entire comment chain from Engage's number one defender because he's in the Egg gang
Based or cringe?

>>716428694
>Egg gang
what?

>>716428694
It's a FE eceleb, so it's cringe by default.

>>716428765
Mags orbiters. If they have an Andaron Saga playthrough you know they are one.
Funny since Mangs stopped shitting on Engage but his orbiters havent.

>>716429016
that and one of his biggest coattail riders is the number one engage fan.

>>716428694
He’s right though, Engage was doomed from the start.

>>716427647
I bet there are freckles on her shoulders and butt and feet too.
I need

samefag shithole

Engage good

Engage bad

>>716430138
maybe on planet retard

Which FE girls are super weak to before and after sex cuddling?

>>716430324
Wolt for sure

>>716430324
All the Fates girls who love the facepetting, but especially Felicia.

>>716428694
Engage takedown essays are pure kino

For me it's Shamir

>>716428694
Imagine if this guy was the Engageschizo who has been hating it obsessively here for the past 2 years.

For me it's El Shez

Fuck off

>>716428258
>just ignore the awful aesthetic and vibe of the game
I try man. I try. But its just shoved in your face.

>>716430638
>easiest potshots ever, all you have to do is say the designs are bad and the obviously poorly written story is poorly written
>"pure kino"
It's desperate for content is what it is. Any midwit can do it. What midwits can't do is actually make videos about FE that are deep and interesting and form discussions around the mechanics or its history.

>>716430874
>. What midwits can't do is actually make videos about FE that are deep and interesting and form discussions around the mechanics or its history.
Is anyone capable of promoting actual thoughtful discussion of FE like that?

>>716430874
Yeah, I mean they're funny bad. There was one posted a while ago made by a British Three Houses babby who sounded like he was at imminent risk of cutting his cock off that was fucking hysterical to watch.

>>716428627
H5 Shadow Dragon isn't too bad. Whatever the max difficulty is in New Mystery is pain.

>>716431183
I am

>>716431412
Hello Mangs

>>716430747
Someone has very specific tastes when it comes to their Kagero commissions

>>716431229
i remember h4 SD needing to break the hand axes of the first few bandit bosses so i could kill them with merric, because no one else did any damage and merric couldnt survive a hit. h5 would have been worse.

>>716431713
based

>>716431815
Post breastfeeding please

>>716431897
Don't have it

>>716431713
I like her best friend Orochi too

>>716432094
She pegs my son though

>>716431183
Zoran is, but since he's autistic he "solved" Fates to the point where there's no room for further theory, which means he ironically killed most serious discussion about the game. Meanwhile you have Excelblum playing absolute dogshit but his audience still claps their flippers because it's new to the palette.

>>716432156
Excelblum videos are too autistic for me. It's not fun watching him grind for 99 turns on Chapter 1 to do whatever meme challenge run he's decided to do this week.

>>716399642 (OP)
>Where should I start?
FE8 or Path of Radiance

>>716426196
>RD is a top tier FE mechanically with some great maps.
Based

>>716426531
>I played 2 hours of these games and know nothing about how their gameplay is as a result but the story vibes put me off so I feel qualified to recommend other people to ignore them

>>716425526
She wouldn't be the main lord, so something like troubadour, like Clarine, L'Arachel, Maribelle, etc.

>>716432291
That's not autism, that's retarded. Making Azura level 35 on Chapter 5 isn't autism, it's stupidity because only an idiot would need to be hard-carried by a super unit just to survive throughout Conquest. More importantly, it doesn't require critical thinking and systems evaluation to accomplish.

I will go on record as making my Azura level 9 before the Branch of Fate solely so she can do something once she joins in Conquest, but anything about that is ridiculous.

>>716431725
Very interesting memory considering only the first three Chapters have Pirate bosses and you don't get Merric until Chapter 4

>>716399642 (OP)
Every FE game is the most beloved or the most disliked depending on who you ask, play whatever looks interesting.

>>716432501
Grinding Azura a dozen levels is nice because it'll get her out of OHKO range for a little bit.

>>716432156
>Muh 0% growth ltc faggotry
Zoran fucking sucks

>>716432785
It's the opposite. When you're really good at Fire Emblem, you have to add or remove silly things to keep yourself engaged. It's like someone moving on from prescription painkillers to heroin.

>>716430638
I have never heard a worse lisp in my life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZiAdRAKgMc

>replaying FE games
Peak autism

>>716431725
gomer and hyman are extremely obnoxious bosses but they're not "difficult", the whole map is dead by the time you get to them
all you have to do is throw the 2-3 units that can live a round of combat at them repeatedly while healing on forts

>>716433147
Yeah, early-game SD bosses are tough but they're fucking stationary targets. I can't imagine getting filtered by something that doesn't even move.

All FE girls need 5 babies each minimum

>>716433032
They're quite literally designed to be replayed since you can't use everyone in a single playthrough.

>>716433402
They're designed so you can continue even if you lose a lot of units more than they're designed to be replayed.

replaying engage on hard, I gave clanne some of the stat boosters forced upon you from the dlc because I like raising early game mages. alear has 4 fucking build, 1 less than etie and tieing with the mages. he gets weighed down by anything that isn't a slim or iron sword. what the fuck I was wondering why he was getting doubled while holding a steel sword

>>716433548
People cope hard when they say Alear should use Lances or Axes. Alear doesn't have the Build for it.

>>716433439
Lies

>>716433465
so why would they put all those character conversations in if the characters are meant to be glorified extra lives?

>>716433465
That's what mid to late game prepromotes are for but not every unit. You're not deploying Gordin on Chapter 20 if he's been benched for 17 chapters.

>>716433616
I have never seen someone argue that. Alear should be in a class that can access A swords so they can use engage attacks with a silver blade.
divine dragon, wolf knight, wyvern, paladin, griffon.

>>716432970
>Cheat out half of the mechanics including hit rates, crits, procs and resource limitations
>really good at Fire Emblem
(lol

>>716433548
alear gets a lot of build when promoting to divine dragon. i promote him first for that reason

>>716433439
she is nopan

>>716433725
Even Ests are like that. You can replace a unit you lost with them, it's just harder. Redundant units like Oujay? He's there if you lost Dieck or if you really like Mercenaries.

>>716433692
world building

The devs of 3 Houses said they only expected people to do one route. FE games are not developed with replayability in mind.
>but 3H has New Game Pl-
THE DEVS SAID NO REPLAYING, SHUT UP

>>716433821
I've never watched this guy's videos but I'm sure if I go to his channel I can find him playing ironman too.

>>716434686
this bait is so incredibly retarded. trial maps anon. hector mode. hard mode being unlocked from beating the game once on normal (fe7, and radiant dawn do this off the top of my head) A/B routes seen in thracia and sacred stones

>>716434686
>KT devs are retarded
We know. Meanwhile, Fates tried to make you play Conquest or Birthright before playing Revelations, and encouraged playing all of Fates several times.

Cordelia, Velouria, Yunaka, Manuela, Jill, Lyn. Top tier.

>>716434741
(Un)surprisingly, he never played one. Pseuds pretend to be above probability while being scared shitless of it.

>>716434887
Cordelia is built to further destroy the ego of Severa

>>716435009
It's not ironman but you can watch his entire first playthrough of Engage. That should be a good enough evaluation of their skill as a player.

>>716434887
>chrom simp

>>716435290
>Open a random part of his Engage playthrough
>Uses the Time Crystal to rig a level up
He really, really sucks at FE, huh?

>>716435614
Sounds like he was just trying to figure out if the levels were fixed or not, considering you can't do that in Maddening. Anyway, I'm kinda disappointed the guy everyone is saying is THE Conquest guy doesn't even have an ironman playthrough.

Cutesythea

every relay ive ever been in for feg ive used save states

>>716435260
theyre such a good family

>FE games were never replayable!
These threads get dumber every time

>>716435739
I've watched more instances of his Engage playthrough just to give him the benefit of the doubt and it gets worse
>Puts Jean in range of a 8% crit enemy
>Jean easily gets oneshot
>Whoops, time crystal time
Rigging the game is in his very nature

>>716435882
Legitimately, what is making people lose IQ in here? You didnt see these kind of absolute retarded takes a few years ago

>>716436186
I never thought about it so much but there really is a world of difference between even 95% reliable strategies and 100% ones.

Engage is the only game you need. It has the best girls, funnest gameplay, best pet mascot, and all the previous lords (important ones).

how did it get even worse than last time

>>716436548
You thought 2 tile vision range was bad, huh? This hack will take you to the depths of hell!

>>716410043
>>716409545 here and Awakening is my favorite FE

>>716436548
bruh

Awakening=Arena
Fates=Daggerfall
Echoes=Morrowind
3H=Oblivion
Engage=Skyrim

>>716436347
Youtubers

>>716436427
Well yeah, even 95% reliable means that there's a 1/20 chance of your strategy not working, and FE rarely hands you even 95% reliability for even your best characters. It's precisely for this reason that True Hit was even invented as a system, since managing probability is already a lot to expect from people when it's rigged in their favour.

>>716436903
This doesn't work at all. The Elder Scrolls games kept building off of each other. The comparison breaks apart at Echoes, which is a remake of a totally unrelated game. Morrowind continued to build upon Daggerfall and is cut from the same cloth. Three Houses then goes in a totally different direction than Fates and Awakening rather than building on it, which you could somewhat argue is the case with Oblivion simplifying some things relative to Morrowind, but it's still the same direction. That is even true for Skyrim, and Engage does build a bit on some of the stuff in Three Houses but is mostly different.

>>716436548
oh. it gets even worse than that

>>716437236
What the fuck is wrong with the person who made this map?

>>716437284
I'm trying to figure it out myself

>>716437236
QR code looking map

>>716437595
>child
>44HP
Fetal Steroid Syndrome

>>716436903
>Echoes is the only good one
trvke

>>716435260
>>716435792
>fucking the exalt's daughter to get back at mom
kino character

>>716436903
One of the worst comparisons I've ever seen.

>>716435739
Because ironmans aren't hard or cognitively demanding. /vfeg/'s insistence that they're the premier FE challenge run in preference to efficiency autism (which actually requires thought and planning, instead of retard tier spontaneity and accepting the consequences) has always come across massive insecure cope. Ironman is just playing without deaths; you don't die a lot if you're competent at FE, so it's a non-challenge. Accepting deaths is also a sloppy way to play, it's basically admitting you couldn't have done better. Yes, I've participated in the relays, yes it's a fun way to play in a group setting, no it isn't hard or even interesting to watch outside of the entertaining fuckups (might not even occur if you're good).

Anyone else stop playing an FE game for a year or so because it's too hard, but when you go back to play it it's stupidly easy and you're wondering why you were having a hard time at all in the first place?

>>716425753
They hate him because he spoke the truth

>>716425753
I don't care much for the lifesim shit either, engage atleast cut it down from the egregious time sink that was the monastery in 3houses. it'll suck if the rumored Fe4 remake makes you run around and do shit while in castles and not just keep it quick and simple as menus. theres nothing wrong with menus stop making me run all around the goddamn place

>>716439350
hubs aren't going away, people want them for muh immersion. Plus casuals actually like spending less of their total time playing maps, they get exhausted from playing maps in quick succession.

>>716439974
The hub should just be like the thing Engage did where you could walk around maps post-battle and talk to your troops. I think the idea of setting up camp in the battlefield once the fight is over is pretty fun.

The next Fire Emblem game is going to be the Sonic Forces of FE. Komuro trying hard to pivot into the more serious tone fans want but then absolutely floundering at it.

>>716440346
>more serious tone fans want
>in a Sonic game
Are Sonic fans really like this?

Mekkah

>>716439059
I think this is pretty disingenuous, ironmans can absolutely force you to do a lot of thinking due to the nature of no resetting
obviously, if you pick an easy game like FE8, you will probably not struggle either way, but for the harder games, there is a lot of effort you have to put in to maximise reliability and play around the possibility of unlucky rolls
I played an ironman of FE12 H4 not too long ago and I had to do a ton of planning to squeeze every bit of reliability I could out of my strats, and in the end I'd say the majority of chapters were about 90% reliable at worst and not overly slow either for the most part
in general though, risk mitigation is one of the most important factors for optimizing play in FE, and there's no reason it can't be true for both efficiency and ironmans

>>716399642 (OP)
Start with Awakening. It's the best FE game out there.

Egg

>>716440412
>>716440607
Both fags.

>>716440346
It already happened, it was called Engage.

I hope they kill ironman 3H and SoV are on the right direction.

>>716440891
you cannot honestly tell me engage was supposed to be a super serious game

>>716440891
Did you play the game nigga, there's nothing serious about it.

>nothing serious about engayge
https://files.catbox.moe/b9flqs.mp4

>>716440809
they should kiss

le wholesome reddit dog

>>716440967
>>716440993
No not the serious part. The getting completely overshadowed by the side game produced by a different company part.

>>716441387
That happened before Engage, it was called Three Houses.

Mangs raped Mekkah

>>716441274
Cool, so Alear has the same VA as Rex

>>716441387
Nice deflection

>>716440484
Maybe ironman is mentally taxing for an actual hard difficulty with demanding thresholds and thin error margins like FE12 H4+ or Awakening L+, but people think ironmanning Conquest is hard (for the relevant example) and it just isn't.
I can't even remember the last time I've lost units in 10, 11, 12, 13 for instance. I didn't during the relay, either. So for chapters like that - entire dead zones - where I'm confident in my ability, what am I supposed to do to keep the challenge interesting? Just...play the game normally?

And then riskier chapters like 19, 20, and 26 can be risk-mitigated by practicing vanilla, overly cautious protocols that I'm already familiar with, it's still not interesting. It's commonly said that ironman is difficult on a blind run, but that isn't what a challenge run is. A challenge run is supposed to make the game challenging once you're already familiar with it. Ironman can only be hard if you don't know how to play. Guys like Zoran are not interested in answering the question "Can I beat the game without resetting?", because it's genuinely trivial to those in the know.

I will say ironman can be hard as an *addition* to a challenge. Like an ironman LTC is insane and almost contradictory and stupid. But there you go.

>>716432474
There's nothing wrong with the gameplay (I could say a lot of things about awakenings "look upon my barren maps" but I won't)
Its just like...I'm not one of those mind broken "just eat around the shit" kind of people.
I did beat awakening and conquest. I made it within a few chapters off the end of 3H but I had been forcing myself through it and just wasn't enjoying it.

>>716399758
>Fates: Conquest
That was my first FE. It was okay. I've only played a few after that and they were worse.

>>716441925
I have choice paralysis and can't decide which of the dozen romhacks I have downloaded to stick to.

>>716442010
post them and I'll tell you which one

Ivy

>>716441925
But I'm playing Three Houses right now. I'm on CF 15.

>playing CF
my condolences

>>716442295
>get annoyed at the map
>press Raging Storm a few times
>problem solved
CF is great.

>>716436903
>Engage is all style with little substance
Chat, is he cooking?

>>716442053
The Morrow Golden Country
Cerulean Crescent
Sword of Heaven and Earth
Order of the Crimson Arm
Andaron Saga
Another FE6 in FE8 hack called REX6 to check if it's better than the other one
Like 3 different FE1 GBA ports
and just playing FE8 again with QoL

>>716442336
No because that describes Echoes. Very beautiful art covering up horrible game design.

>>716442449
cerulean crescent

>>716442452
>inb4 but Echoes game design is bad intentionally because it's copied from an NES game

>>716442331
now try it on maddening

>>716442449
play the morrow's golden kino

>>716442661
I've only played Maddening. I think I gave up on 3 runs before I finally had figured out the social sim phase well enough to not get out-scaled. This run I used DLC so it's been rather easy.

>>716442845
more like your wexp gains are so fucking garbage unless you cheat or speedrun lolWyvernLord

>>716442845
all you have to do is low man. snowballing the lord + byleth and stacking avoid makes the game a cakewalk.

>>716442452
Echoes' art is overrated desu. People only pretend to like it because it's le grounded and because it's 2D.

>>716443274
>People only like art because it's 2D
Thanks sherlock.

>>716442926
It's annoying getting Brigand and Pegasus Knight certs for everybody for sure and my Leonie and Bernadetta barely made Bow Knight in time for hitting level 30. I find grinding through the class and getting the ability more annoying though once you have a Knowledge Gem, Adjutanting somebody on your Lord or Byleth really helps.
>>716443123
Yeah, the game gets much easier if you pick like 4 units to doggedly focus on. I lean a lot on my Lord and Byleth in early-game but I like to have a full competent roster of 10, not that it's better, I just find it more fun. It's pretty easy to have your bait unit leave behind some units for people to clean up. Mages level up for free just healing and chipping.

>>716399642 (OP)
It's Friday you hoes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXHg4s0NsBc&list=RDDXHg4s0NsBc&start_radio=1

>>716443274
Hidari is the most technically proficient artist the series has had and it's pure contrarianism to suggest he is in any way "bad" or "boring." I'm not even an Echoesfag, either - most of my hours are in Conquest and Engage.

>>716440484
>FE12 H4
Are you the one that attempted ~25 times before you finally beat it?
I got the impression that your strategies were on the riskier side, but you probably set an ironman LTC record in the process. What was your final turncount?

>>716443274
Echoes is a beautiful game, this is readily apparent from booting it up and playing it. It's noticeable since it's a step above the rest of the series.

>>716399642 (OP)
OH GEEZ I WANNA PLAY A VIDEO GAME BUT AW MAN IT'S JUST TOO DIFFICULT OF A DECISION WHAT DO I DO?

Code of the burger king
grug 1 and 2
blitzarre adventure

>>716439138
Thats something that happens all the time with vidya. Your brain keeps unconciously working on the problem so when you come back to it, you instictively know the "answer". Next time you get stuck on a puzzle in a game or something, try going and doing something else for a day or so. When you come back to it, youll more than likely be able to solve it instantly

>>716442154
fat bitch

>>716443471
It is boring. There's a reason why if you ask someone, they'll say it looks nice but nothing else, with even Celica needing constant shilling to not instantly be forgotten.
Meanwhile, if you want truly good art, look no further than Fates. It tells a story through asthetics alone, it's memorable enough for people to remember side characters like Kagero to this day and stands out with its quality with the smallest aspect being both intuitive and elegantly done from the ui to the map design.

>>716439138
Depends on the FE game. I can easily pick up most like it's nothing, but I need to train myself to use my brain properly for the harder ones. The relays are quite convenient for this, since I can both practice off the easier ones and quickly get into a serious mindset by playing the harder games.

Fates/Awakening had the worst character designs until Three Houses which was the worst until Engage

>>716444030
Your brain must be overstimulated or something. No one justifies their love of Fates art either, they just say it's good as if it's self evidently so. Meanwhile I've always thought the Nohrian siblings look like giant bug-armor retards. Fates is a really mixed bag, with a lot of good stuff and a lot of horrible stuff, too.
Hidari is basically straight hits, whatever else I may say about Echoes.

>>716443440
I'm peace

>>716444340
Nah, I just have higher standards from art than simply getting wowed by pretty colours. Seriously, Echoes' art is without substance.

>>716442154
made for cute dates with the divine dwagon

Fire Emblem protagonists having red hair is a sin and I hope it never happens again.

>>716399642 (OP)
I'm playing both fe8 and Engage on Switch 2 and I'm honestly having more fun with fe8, newer games have too much bloat.

>>716444767
Why do you hate Our Boy so much?

>>716444682
>higher standards from art
I guarantee you don't. You're expressing a boilerplate opinion I see here all the time - the idea that if a character design isn't over the top sexy or wacky (if it's "safe horny"), it's bad. I'm an artfag and I simply respect a skillful illustrator. No art appreciator would deride this as "boring" and "bland." It's a classic porn-addicted weeb take that you only see here. You probably don't save art that you like, I'm certain you don't.

>>716444767
eliwoodkings... not like this...

>>716444890
PTSD.

>>716443515
I actually hadn't checked before this and apparently this game doesn't tell you the added turn total like the others or something, but these are the turn counts for some of the final chapters for reference, longest 3 maps were 15 at 40 turns, 19 at 45 turns, and prologue 8 which apparently took a whopping 52, total average is probably ~20-25, that's what most chapters took
on the topic of reliability, I used every tool I had available to not do battle against enemies with crit rate against me and keep my hit rates at at least around 90 or above, most chapters were simply a matter of executing the strats I had already planned out in previous runs and attempts
the most unnecessary thing I did to add risk is that I often went for side objectives even when they weren't strictly needed, most notable in the fact I played chapter 15 at all and actually did get the complete wolfguard recruit (not very statistically risky, but definitely creates a lot of opportunities to fuck up)
in general I do agree playing ironmans super slow just kinda takes away the point of them, so I never tried to do any super degenerate stuff that would have technically made things easier for me, but I still think the aspect of maximizing reliability can be very engaging for just about any game

>>716444924
you got it backwards, echoes artstyle is trashy weeb shit (atelier series) whereas kozaki is respectable

>>716425234
Holy good taste

>>716445084
>wearing panties on horseback is more respectable than beautiful looking artwork

>>716445084
You are one fucking clown (lol
Look, I dig Kozaki's skillz and he has some solid designs here and there, but the man is objectively one of the top peddlers of J-slop right now in pop illustration. Just look at his work on the AI games, or what he does in his art books. He can't even imagine a character design that isn't "hot slut covered in body paint and and random spiraling strips of fabric." Any time he has to draw fantasy armor, he just makes shit up - like with the Nohrian siblings and their crab armor.

>>716399642 (OP)
Literally just start with that one. The GBA ones are the best.

>>716444924
>Palla and Catria's designs
A great example of how the art is plain boring, you would never guess that they're outsiders to Valentia or even that they're sisters without being told.

>>716445302
I've always been of the opinion that Kozaki is way better at drawing modern characters than fantasy characters.

>>716445591
Can you tell Spanish plate armor from British plate armor from Italian plate armor? At a glance? I reject your silliness.

>>716445686
Who in that image is wearing plate, bubble boy?

>>716445686
Yes? Armours have very different styles depending on where they're from.

Is the difference in plate armor between nations really that pronounced? I thought plate armor was really uncommon.

>>716445630
His work on No More Heroes is iconic, and I agree. He's good at drawing drip. He just makes shit up for medieval fantasy, which with his skills ends up being something approximating "decent" but I wish he'd look at a single reference instead of covering all his girls in slut-tape and shiny swirling clasps.

>>716399642 (OP)
just play the first gba fire emblem and then don't touch any other ones

>>716445810
No, it's not. Moreover Fire Emblem has never been concerned with representing nationality through clothing, outside of literally just Fates (for obvious thematic reasons). These niggers are reaching.

>>716445924
>Moreover Fire Emblem has never been concerned with representing nationality through clothing
Isaach in Jugdral
Sacaeans in Elibe

>>716446078
Isaachians just wear...clothes? The same potato sacks, tunics, and puff-pants seen throughout all Jugdral.
I'll grant you Sacaeans.

all isaachians are trained sword masters at birth

>>716445924
I dived more into this topic and basically most of the plate armor you're going to see in fantasy is etiher Italian or German because that's where most of it was made.

>>716445924
>Fire Emblem has never been concerned with representing nationality through clothing
That's completely wrong kek. Even in FE1, Camus distinctively wears black to stand out as part of Grust's Black Knights.

The ones on GameCube and Wii were good.

>>716446152
Everyone in Isaach dresses like what we know today as the typical Myrmidon/Swordmaster style outfits since that's the game they debuted in and being katana weebs is kinda Isaach's thing.

>>716446267
True! at least Path of radiance is, the only thing I don't really like is the lack of warp for the final few maps. by that point ike and whoever I trained steamroll already so I'd like to just skip to the seize/boss.

>>716446261
>a knight order = nationality
It doesn't indicate his origin in any particular way. Citizens of Grust don't wear black. Roger and Jake don't wear black. I had to look up other Grustians, because it's not even obvious at a glance who is and isn't Grustian.

>>716442628
There is no winning with remakes and fans

>>716446661
Sure there is. You can always do both.

>>716446428
>knight order = nationality
No, but a Knight Order is a good way of sorting people by nationality. Another way that FE1 designed people by nationality was by having all the high nobles in Macedon be red haired, from Lena to Minerva.

>>716446661
You change the things fans want changed and keep the things fans want faithful.

an arvis side campaign would be cool

>The echoesfag is scared of attractive designs
Who would have guessed?

>>716428694
>eceleb troons
they're cringe and probably shit eaters

>>716446949
FE does national hair color theming all the time but I maintain it's soft on cultural clothing. I mean, speaking of Macedon, Michalis wears all black too. Not that I wouldn't want to see it improve in this regard, but I'm not holding my breath.

Engage design isn't attractive it's all over the goddamn place

>>716447178
Three Houses does a good job at making each house look like they're from different nations and cultures. Also has Petra who looks distinct from the rest of the Eagles.

>>716433548
(lol.

>>716428694
Literally who.

>>716447347
Build Level Up hype.

>>716428694
I don't understand why anyone would want to watch a video like this.

>I'm not a projecting porn addict! The design made me jerk off!
(lol

>>716436440
this
>>716436903
3h=megaman x7
engage=megaman x4

>>716447475
To find an e-celeb that parrots your opinion and getting some weird form of validation from it.

>>716447556
>engage = overrated clunky piece of shit
yeah I agree

>If I can't jerk off to it it's shit!
Average FE fan baka

>>716447617
I guess you could watch it to laugh at someone being stupid too, but that kind of aggressive stupidity is so banal today.

>>716399642 (OP)
fe7, the one you just posted box art of.
it's not the best one, but it's one of the easier ones and almost everyone has played it, and it has an tutorial campaign at the start to teach you how FE works. And you don't run into crafting or class change autism. just start with that one

>>716447540
>Porn addict
Since when did this place become xitter?

We will be two console generations away and people will still be arguing about three houses.

>>716447729
somebody didn't like getting called out

i cant fucking hack to 3h girls now. it just looks so ugly compare to engage grils

>>716447729
If you got offended by that, seek help.

Samefag thread

In short: Echoes designs are boring.

>>716448074
Then why did reddit vote it the artstyle they want to see the most in their imaginary perfect FE poll?

>>716448175
>r*ddit
Thanks for proving my point

>>716445019
I'd say "AAA rank" is the target to aim for but FE12's speed rank is super generous, you probably could have taken twice as many turns and still got A
Maximizing reliability is really fun, it's like an entire layer of strategy gets ignored by the masses because they're rather reset 10% of the time instead of using a unit with high luck and supports

>>716447773
my wife the divine dragon is so hot

Samegod thread

>>716399642 (OP)
Have you considered playing good games?

>>716448175
>>716448278
Posting it for /v/'s amusement

>>716448595
>ost
>themes
>cast
lmao whats next lore?

>>716448595
>OST: Three Houses
Holy shit taste

>>716448747
It's not the best but it's on the upper end.

>>716448595
Honestly setting, themes, and tone seem very similar to me, like they inform each other usually.

>>716448812
I wouldn't even put it in the top half

>>716448595
GBAbros...I thought we were considered the Golden Age of Fire Emblem?

>>716448595
It's unironically not even bad. Good selection of games and even acknowledged the "gameplayfag" games /v/ is ever so sensitive about. What's there to be upset about, that they don't hate 3H with a fiery burning passion?

>redditor are 3HRT trannies that like to suck faggot cock
WHO KNEW!?

NTA but related question: I've heard the localization for these games is ass, are there good fan patches or should I try and level up my nihongo?

>>716448997
The latter, I can't think of a single good FE translation.

>>716448897
I think it's more memorable than Thracia, Binding Blade, FE7, both DS games and Awakening at least.

>>716448747
That one is bad. It's above average but FE4 and Fates mog it especially hard as well as some others. Not even sure what "themes" is supposed to mean, but some of these categories are just stupid. Also engage difficulty? Shit is easy as fuck on maddening. Conquest and New Mystery win there easily.

>>716448595
>OST
>3H
Lol what, Fates fucking mogs the shit out of 3H and is a strong contender for best FE OST in the whole series.

>No Fates at all
Ah. Right. Reddit still seething at Camilla.

>>716449045
Yeah, I'd give best OST to Fates.

>>716448595
Damn reddit is based af.

>>716448997
FE3 (the old patch), Fates and Engage have pretty good patches, but most of the series is a crapshoot. You'll especially need nip for FE4 and FE5

>>716449151
Map Design

>>716448838
Storytelling and dialogue too. Why the fuck are they separated? What’s the criteria!?

>>716449151
>Fates fan
>can't read
The jokes write themselves.

>>716449215
>>716449342
I didn't see it and just glanced. I will own up to my mistake

>>716449401
You are forgiven.

>>716449481
We posting Corrins from the drawthread now?

>>716448595
>Most of it has nothing to do with gameplay
Kek

>>716448595
What does "content" mean?

>>716449762
Awakening has a lot of maps thanks to copy and paste DLC, so.

>>716449516
wtf is wrong with this corrin? she looked like she had a downs syndrome

>>716449705
33% of the grid is gameplay related, 50% is story related, and the remaining % is for visuals and audio.
>>716449762
Assuming it means how much shit there is to do and Awakening had all the grinding and eugenics and downloadable post game stuff to do. Which ironically, I'm not sure how well that would actually fit with the other gameplay stuff they want since Awakening was a grindan autist game.

>>716448992
In /vfeg/ its required by law to hate 3H and it must be the worst at everything for all time.

>>716428694
Ecelebs are literal fags, more news at 11

>>716448278
Sure hope you don't think CQ has amazing map design or anything like that... >>716448595

>>716448595
>path of radiance dialogue
DUDE FOOD

>>716450330
Illyana is a post-Awakening character who traveled back in time

>>716448992
>>716450051
What's with the victim complex? The only discussion about 3H on the chart is some people believing Fates should have won Best OST instead.

>>716447801
>doubles down
Fuck off back to xitter

>>716428694
Why would you watch a video about some random faggot's thoughts on a game he *didn't* play and ostensibly knows nothing about? Is the Engage-hate content drought really that bad?

>>716450281
I think it excels more in terms of game design, actually. Chapter 10 would be pretty shit if it ran any other system than Fates, since you could just choke the 4 points endlessly and collect the villages on turn 1 or through the fliers, but since Lunge and other dangerous skills like Seal Defense exist, you are forced to actually mix offense and defense.
Conquest also has some pretty shit maps like the Kitsune chapter too, so I can't say it has the best maps desu.

>>716450680
What's wrong with Kitsune Hell?

>>716450548
Probably the 3 replies seething about 3H. There's also just the obvious fact that anons want fewer gay story categories, more gameplay ones, and the implication there is obvious. I can't have a victim complex about 3H as I don't like it, but let's be real about where the actual sore spot is.

>>716450507
Haar
>Dude sleep lmao
Mia
>Dude training lmao
Gatrie
>Dude women lmao

>>716449850
What's wrong, anon? It's just Corrin.

>>716450793
Not him but it is kinda an uninspired map. Without the map gimmick it's kind of just a handful of stationary linked enemy groups that aren't really all that threatening.

>>716450854
Mia I'll give you but Haar and Gatrie have a lot more to them than just that. Also I don't consider fight autist gimmicks as bad as being fixated on something random like Ilyana and post-Awakening characters tend to be. At least it's fitting for a soldier to be overzealous about training.

>>716450854
kieran
>dude knighthood lmao
mordecai
>dude gambling lmao
lethe
>beorc bad lmao
nephenee
>muh accent lmao
ulki
>muh ears lmao

excelblem

>>716451130
meant makalov not mordecai but oh well

>>716450674
3H fans have a huge chip on their shoulder for some reason. They're not FE fans, they're 3H fans.

>>716450836
>There's also just the obvious fact that anons want fewer gay story categories, more gameplay ones, and the implication there is obvious
I said that because I'm not sure the point of dividing things like setting and tone are, not because I'm trying to attack 3H. Hell if 3H won the new "setting" section it would have 3 spots, the same as before.

makes troons and ecelebs seethe

>>716450854
>>716451130
Why yes anon, if you simply something to its base elements is DOES sound retarded!

>>716451287
just like how you faggots do with nu-emblem

>>716451248
The tide's coming in...

>>716451248
You didn't even generate the eyes the right color?

>>716451225
I mean, they also divided map design, difficulty, combat, and content into separate categories, as if those things are meaningfully extricable. It's a silly idea, for fun I guess. You can't make a good game out of a greatest hits checklist.

>>716451391
She'll be fine, it'll just restrict her move for a bit.

>>716448595
Andaron Saga is all of this btw

>>716451449
>as if those things are meaningfully extricable.
They are. Echoes and 3H have almost the exact same gameplay, but the maps in Echoes are fucking horrible while 3H's are only mediocre, so 3H is more enjoyable to play.

>>716451512
>Echoes and 3H have almost the exact same gameplay
Nigga...WHAT? No. God no.

>>716451512
Bait or retarded?

>>716451583
3H is quite literally just a port of Echoes, anon. It's why they "brought back" the new Arts shit, why it removed weapon triangle, why it had equippable non-weapon slots, etc.

>>716451817
>literally
Holy shit, stop it. Do you know what words mean?

>>716451583
>>716451738
They're both the brain children of KUSOkihara, who wants to turn FE into FFT.

>>716428694
>Engage haters are so desperate for validation they're seeking out negative opinions from a guy who watched a trailer 3 years ago
Grim

>>716451449
>It's a silly idea, for fun I guess
True, it's essentially just the "3H Story with Engage Gameplay" ask in a longer form.

>>716451096
>Haar and Gatrie have a lot more to them than just that
So do Awakening characters

>general doesn't get a second weapon type in engage
that's fucked up

>>716452064
No.

>>716452074
They were actually trying to help out generals with that. They can't get broken so there's not much reason to use different weapon types in the first place. Might as well minmax them into an S-rank type (although they forgot to give you good S-rank weapons with any availability...)

>>716451863
>both games share a substantial amount of code, as well as arbitrary systems rarely or never before seen in the series
It's literally a Switch port of Echoes but reskinned with more middle management.

>>716448595
Id Purpose mogs any song in the 3H OST.
>But-
Did i stutter?

>>716452108
Yes. For instance, Virion not only has depth, but he straight up mogs Gatrie as a character.

>>716452064
Sure some do. The difference is most PoR characters have more to them and most Awakening/Fates/Engage characters are Illyana.

>>716448175
Because they love how "tasteful" the art is.
Sonya is the closest to sexy but there is a reason why she failed to have even 1% of the sexy energy Camilla or even Ivy had.
The artstyle is not really appealing. Literally no one cares about the cast other than Celica and I think its clearly the designs since personality wise they are good.
Tellius bombed but even then they had appealing designs that actually connected with people.
For all its faults at least Engage has like 5 characters people care about.

>>716452167
They should just give high tier weapons durability so they can actually make them good again. Leave the Irons and Steels with infinite durability if you want.

>>716452261
>most PoR characters have more to them
they don't

>>716452409
>Tellius bombed but even then they had appealing designs that actually connected with people.
>they actually connected with people even though they bombed twice in a row even with the smash bros brawl boost

>>716452074
it balances out since general has access to S weapon.

>>716452515
>can't use the original outfits or any of the costume stuff it costs ingots to buy
Why did they do this?

>>716452192
You keep saying that word...
3H has
>its unique retarded promotion/class system
>multi-tile monsters
>battalions/gambits
>crests
>adjutants
>all new skills
>personal skills
>new weapon type (gauntlets)
>all of the monastery for fuck's sake

You can take 2 or 3 superficially shared qualities or even outright influences and say any two games are "LEterally the same, chud." 3H lifted a bunch of Fates personal skills wholesale. But you're not suggesting that Fates is LEtrally a port of Fates, hmm, curious.

Sara, 12yo!

>>716452167
>(although they forgot to give you good S-rank weapons with any availability...)
I think you can make arguments for Carnwenhan, Caladbolg (kinda meh but early), Brionac, Nova and Georgios. Ukonvasara is fucking good too, despite how late it is.

>>716452486
I mean we still talk about Mia, Ylliana, Titania, Nephenee, Jill, etc
For a while people talked about Delthea, Mae or Silque but generally Celica is the only one people seemingly care about.

Venomous is good, but not max level donation gold cost good.

my sweet angel...

>>716452431
high tier weapons in engage are good, just absurdly expensive to upgrade. between forging and engraving engage was one of the most favorable games to high tier weapons and one of the least friendly to situational weapons. S rank weapons were better than base silvers, just no better than the heavily upgraded silvers/killer weapons you already have.

>>716452232
More tracks that mog everything in 3H
>Disturbance in Agustria
>Doorway to Destiny
>Thorn in You
>A Dark Fall
I think there are some more I'm forgetting but the GBA soundfont kind of brings some otherwise great tracks down a fair bit.

>>716452582
Sara!

>>716452582
>>716452705
Dierdre 3

>>716452582
she molested leif btw

>>716452680
The S rank weapons are almost uncategorically better or equivalent than +5 Silver in all stats other than their WT, which doesn't matter much for the Smash weapon variants.

>>716452232
Most map themes in Awakening are mediocre and boring to listen to though

>>716452575
>"it's not the same gameplay systems because they added another two"
Okay man, sure.
>But you're not suggesting that Fates is LEtrally a port of Fates, hmm, curious.
Because 3H was made almost entirely out of Echoes's code, and plopped into the Warriors engine for rendering. It's a port.

>>716452648
Venomous is goated in FX6.

>>716448595
This fagbase truly has a stick shoved up to their own ass

>>716452610
>Caladbolg
If we're talking general still, nobody is taking sword general. You'd have to be insane to pick the one weapon type that has no physical 1-2 range options.

>>716452582
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DukDmNuZmpg

>>716453004
>Fates added a Kodachi with 1-2 range
>never put it in another game

>>716452906
I learned two things after making this post. Uncategorically isn't a word was the first. The second is that this is only really true for the Smash weapons, which have +6 MT over the Silver versions and the same hit. The regular S rank weapons are worse than +5 Silver other than Brionac.

>>716452940
I feel like I'm talking with a skinwalker or an alien trying to convince me it's a human. Port, literal, exact, quite...these words have, well, exact meanings.
Fates should be a lichural port of Awakening according to your goofy ass fast-and-loose standards. And obviously FE7 is a port of FE6. In retard land!

>>716453069
1-2 range swords are only for magic users or for the protagonist TM. Please understand

1-2 swords being magic is sovlful

>>716453161
>entire argument comes down to "I-I'm autistic, please capitulate to me"
No way, fag. It's a port. Get over it.

Marianne deserves to be in my arms

>>716453518
you should genuinely kys

>>716453462
The entire argument comes down to a native speaker conversing with a hylic imitating the style of a native speaker without the substance
nigga you don't what words mean

>>716453623
>nigga you don't what words mean
This is the "native speaker."

>>716453069
Good. Weapons should be less homogeneous, not more.

business idea: watching Ophelia rape Forrest in a forest

>>716453726
>more style over substance
begone, foul daemon

>>716453846
That shit wasn't even a complete sentence. Reread it.

>>716453193
>1-2 range swords are only for magic users or for the protagonist TM.

Annette x Felix

>>716453805
"Being less homogeneous" being that swords don't have physical range weapons like their lance/axe counterparts?

>>716453891
And yet you understood it from context
Or maybe...you didn't? Got a confession, anon?

>>716452693
In the Name of Bern, Binding's arena theme, Battle for Whose's Sake are pretty good. Funny how i don't care for Roy at all yet his game has some of my favorite songs.
>>716452938
Chaos and Ablaze, Divine Decree Ablaze, Conquest, Don't Speak Her Name, all slap.

>>716453953
>man it sucks that swords can't 1-2 range like lances and axes, let's give it to them
>man it sucks that bows can't 1 range like magic, lances, and axes, let's give it to them
>man it sucks that swords have weapons that can target res but magic doesn't have spells that target def, let's give it to them
>every weapon now plays exactly the same and we'll praise it because now it's "fair"

>>716454165
>give Axes to a character with high SPD and SKL
>suddenly I've invalidated Axe's identity as a weapon

>>716454304
I saw a tier list the other day that put Mercedes in S Tier, explain.

>>716454165
god forbid any fucking weapon in these games be as good as hand axes and javelins

>>716454414
You're complaining about something that hasn't been true since Tellius, just like the fags who still think we need to "fix" Archers in 2025.

>>716454165
I prefer to consider the practicality of the weapons vs the role of the user. I typically don't consider bows being able to shoot close range to matter too much as bows are mainly about the player phase offense, and mages hit the typically lower resistance stat. Swords on the other hand, what reason is there to lock sword users to one range?

>>716454096
I think those are all mid

>>716454304
>Anna's been bad in every game except her debut where she's mediocre
It's not fair.

>>716454580
Anna is good in Engage. Not the best mage in the game like some anons try to gas her up as, but she's still great.

>>716454576
>what reason is there to lock sword users to one range?
Historical accuracy. Swords were never thrown unless it was a desperate last resort. Kodachis weren't thrown either.

Nanna babymaking

>>716454304
All of the delete buttons are delete buttons with flaws you silly ninny. Lysithea is incredibly squishy, Felix and Catherine both have awful Charm and counter-intuitive personals (battalions are a necessity,) Leonie has no Crest, Bernadetta can get dogshit STR growths etc.
If you tell me Sylvain and Ferdinand are delete buttons because they get Swift Strikes I'm going discount everything on this list.

>>716454650
Even when she's raised she's outclassed by several people and raising her has an appreciable cost that could exactly be spent on her competition instead.

>>716454712
>Wanting historical accuracy in a video game with magic, dragons, flying horses, a lot of people are disorganized in battle and not really in formation, characters don't wear helmets, and axes for some reason have an advantage to spears.
Come on man

>>716454750
>Even when she's raised she's outclassed by several people
Not really. Ivy is the only clear winner due to her flying access. Stat-wise, Anna mogs pretty much every other mage knight candidate in the game, and her personal skill is one of the best ones.

>>716454406
Mercedes has absurd exp gains if you abuse Fortify, allowing her to outpace your entire army by many, many levels. Same is true for Flayn to an extent.

>>716454851
Don't look at me, that's probably the exact reason why spears and axes can be thrown but swords can't. FE devs did consider historical accuracy when designing some of the mechanics.

>>716453004
making lapiss general...

>>716454852
Anna is not even offensively better than Framme until the 20s. Her bulk is so shit she gets OHKOd by late chapter enemies without stat boosters. Jean is better. Chloé is better. You get Pandreo and Ivy for free. Hortensia's good to deploy just on staff-bot basis alone. There's tons of good magic users, two of them are directly competing for the same babying, Jean gives a directly better result and Framme gives a better result for early and mid-game.

>>716454304
I made lorenz a mage and the fucker works very well, your tier list is dogshit like your tastes.

>>716454304
So...is this all you do in 3H? All a unit can be good for? Delete button y/n? Pretty odd.

>>716454956
Spears and axes can be thrown while magically re appearing in the user's hands, or the axes are thrown like fucking boomerangs, I don't think it goes that deep.

>>716455023
Problem is that he falls off.

>>716455148
Who doesn't when you don't make everyone a fucking wyvern lord.

>>716454580
>this tiny jew is capping and making me money

>>716455014
>Anna is not even offensively better than Framme until the 20s
Lol what. She has better magic at 10/1. I guess she's a little slower, but it feels duplicitous to collapse that into "not better than Framme until the 20s", especially when speed fixes exist in Solm and you should obviously just give your MK Lyn anyway.
It's also completely fucking ridiculous to talk about her bulk. All the mages have shitty bulk and depend on Bonded Shield to do anything. Not the biggest Anna fan but the derangement surrounding her is weird to me to this day.

>>716455014
>Anna is not even offensively better than Framme until the 20s
??? She already has higher magic the level she promotes coming out of axe fighter at 10 and the gap only gets bigger
>Her bulk is so shit she gets OHKOd by late chapter enemies without stat boosters
You aren't fighting multiple enemies on EP with Anna unless you're using bonded shield strats, in which case her low defenses are actually a good thing because it's easy to bait attacks.
>Jean is better
I did a playthrough using both and Anna was much stronger on fixed growths
>Chloé is better
Chloe is great but her lower magic does tend to make her miss out on a lot of one-round thresholds without considerable help

I already said Ivy was better. I don't think Anna is game-breaking or anything, but she's definitely pretty strong when trained.

>>716455324
Yunaka anal

>>716455361
second

>>716399642 (OP)
Start with the GBA games and move on from there. Like most Nintendo Franchises, FE peaked on the SNES/GBA, and died on the 3DS.

>>716455324
By the same logic Magic fixes exist and are much less contested than Lyn. It's easier to fix missing MT through forges than it is to get SPD. Framme has comparably shitty bulk but Jean, Ivy, Chloé and Pandreo can all take a hit, something Anna and Framme literally cannot do most of the time.

she's making a killing!!!

IM RICH!!!

>>716451348
But nuEmblem IS that way, legitimately.

>>716455486
Jean is almost a carbon fucking copy of Anna at high levels, stop memeing. Oh yeah that 5 extra defense at IL28 is going to save his teeth some 50 atk berserker. I get that lolifags can be annoying and I really wanted to give an Annafag a wedgie back in 2023 for all their anti-Ivy shitposting, but Anna is a perfectly fine, even good, Mage Knight if you bother to train her.

>>716453158
now i feel like i should not argue based on my own shitty memory.
these are donation only, and essentially out of reach in a normal play through unless you are really dedicated to getting one:
>venomous, smash lance
>divine fist
>nodus, the staff
>fragarach, nonsmash axe

for the remainder, one of the issues is just how many can the player even use?

S rank tomes are limited to sages, veyle, and zelestia. Nova, the s tome, is the brave tome of the game, and is not at all a straight upgrade from bolganone. especially if you are abusing soren.

S daggers is pretty available, for all thieves and anyone in wolf knight with the dagger innate. cinqueda isnt bad, but is very expensive to make better than a silver dagger. carnwehan is a bad meme i will make work someday.

S bows is for snipers and alcryst only. lendabair is pretty good, if you havent upgraded a silver bow past +2 and can use it, but it also suffers from the same problem as silver bows of not being a killer bow or radiant bow.

both S rank swords are available without donating. caladbolg i think is better than a silver sword. georgios would be good if smash weapons were good.

brionac is at base a big +5 might over a regular spear. by far the best S rank weapon, much appreciated by anyone that can use it.

the smash axe, ukonasara, exists for the sake a maddy with hector equipped. which is cheating. i will have to try her as a paladin with it someday.

>>716455676
I never said she was bad. I just said she's worse than everybody else.

>>716455601
every FE is that way, legitimately, when you're a cherrypicking reductive faggot

>>716455709
>I just said she's worse than everybody else
But she's not. Unless you're too retarded to use Micaiah, that is.

>>716455709
Fucking hardly, when you're glazing Framme and Jean. And Framme is one of my favorite scrimblos. But comparing her to Anna as a mage is kinda just laughable, she's obviously worse where it counts. Jean is basically a clone except even more annoying to train.

>>716455751
Most of the nuemblem characters dont require cherrypicking or any reductivism. Thats the difference.

>>716455751
>the nuEmblem faggot can't argue back without putting down the series as a whole
A classic.

>muh knighthood and sorrow of le common man
fuck off retarded dumbass

>>716450854
>>716451130
Soren
>Muh Ike
Shinon
>Dude racism lmao
Elincia
>Muh Crimea
Volke
>Muh ney
Sothe
>Muh groomer
Ashnard
>Dude social darwinism lmao

>>716455837
Don't know what to tell you anon. We have the same argument and standing at this point. I've played this game feeding Jean, Anna and Framme Micaiah EXP on different playthroughs and I'd say Jean and Framme are better, especially because they actually contribute something while you're babying them.

>>716454739
>Lysithea is incredibly squishy
She can toe dip into armored knight and become just as squishy as everyone else
>Felix and Catherine
His personal is incredible in the first few maps which is the hardest part of the game besides hunting by daybreak. Catherine not having a passive would be a problem when comparing her to others if she didn't just dab on most of the rest of the cast anyway. The leadership bane is an actual weakness but in the worst case scenario you just put Jeralt Mercs on em.
>Leonie has no Crest
Doesn't need one. Infact that can be a strength cause it gives you the option to force regular Wrath/Vantage, if you were psychotic and built both of those on her.
>Bernadetta
Anyone can get str screwed, but Bernardetta has access to Vengeance, so she would have guaranteed damage even if she never popped a str level.

I dont even agree with the tier list for the most part, but all of you unit analysis is flawed.

>>716455993
>Jean can heal with le heal staff
Really? If you're using Micaiah, anyone can use staves. Jean is no more easy to train than Anna is. In fact he's harder because he joins at a lower level

>>716455993
You can compare their fixed averages, and that settles any "subjectivity." When I say Jean is a clone of Anna, I mean it. At least in the areas that count (so not strength or defense). Their attack and speed are stupidly similar after some growth (less than a 1 point of difference), and always track near each other in any case.

>>716456068
I ended up certifying a lot of Armor Knights on my recent 3H playthrough. That 12 base DEF is a godsend for just about every mage and a few of the speedster type units like Yuri and Petra and it's not too hard to get D+ Axes/Heavy Armor even through a penalty.

>>716455751
You retarded bitch, do you want me to actually go through every support and compare the amount of "LOLXYZ" shit in old FE compared to new FE? Im getting fucking sick of you faggots trying to pretend its the same. Im about to autistically make a fucking spreadsheet so we can have empirical data just to shit in your disingenuous fucking mouth.

>>716456117
Jean can use Micaiah to level a bit faster just like anyone else can. If you're deploying Jean you don't really need another staffbot anyway. He can also just heal. Just because they end up similar at the end doesn't mean they're the same throughout the entire game. I've compared their averages at 8, 15, 20 and 30.

>>716456184
yeah. you won't. and if you do you'll just pretend shit like mia x ilyana A, which there's a lot of, doesn't count and that it's heckin sooooooo unfair to hold clvssic vmblvm to the same asinine retarded non-standards as nu-fe because you don't actually care

>>716456260
Pretending Jean is easy to train while Anna isn't is just plain dishonesty. They're both easy as shit to train with the variety of exp options afforded to you by the early emblem rings. Stat-wise, they're clones except one occasionally earns you money and the other doesn't.

>>716456314
Alright bitch, see you in a few days
>UM YOULL JUST PRETEND THAT XYZ DOESNT EXIST
No, I will point it out. And when I shit in yuour faggot mouth with all the nuemblem shit, you better not pretend it doesnt fucking count.

>>716456481
Anna is easy to train if you glue her to Micaiah until she's level 10 and feed her your first Master Seal and give her some forges and so on. That's your argument. My argument is you can do that for somebody else and they're better.

>>716456528
looking forward to your epic conclusive proof about how much more dignified this series used to be

Who cares, where's the porn

Engage has to be the ONLY Fire Emblem where players will treat stat differences on the order +/- 1 as dealbreakers. It's crazy. It's frankly not even clear to me that Chloe is a better mage than Anna (I'd argue not), but one is "top tier" and the other is a bottom feeder. I can never get used to this retardation.

>>716456814
who cares, wheres the relay

>>716456821
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that Chloé is worth deploying from the moment you get her while Anna is competing for a slot where she's inarguably one of the worst units you could bring.

>>716456814
since you asked so nicely

>>716456528
Should be fun. Don't chicken out and change your standards, as tempting as it might be.

>>716456889
Chloe is so unremarkable. It's so weird to me Engage meta hasn't moved past this after 2 years. She's just so forced. I mean I get it, she's trainable and available. So is everybody. No one wants to admit it, though. Whatevs.

>>716456889
Right and Jean is just indispensable in the early game

>>716457009
Neither of them are worth deploying in the grand scheme of it, but that's not what we're talking about.

>>716456890
AiChad?
Share some Zelestia in naked apron porn!

>>716457047
I mean yeah if you want to purely meta-fag it then you'll use the exact same characters every single time. I'm just saying Anna is weirdly hated despite being on par or better than the other options people routinely orgasm over.

>>716456184
Do it. I'd do the same if I was autistic enough. (I like Engage btw)

>>716457098
i have a bit of zelestia, but not that

>>716457185
Futa?
Sorry not into that.
Otherwise nice one.

I don't care if Chloe is DUDE FOOD, I want to have sex with her, so she's a good character

>>716457104
And I'm just saying I'm sad and I wish Anna was better. You're free to discard things like availability of resources and effort-to-reward ratio but reasons like these are why Anna sucks. Obviously I know Anna isn't substantially worse than her competition because I've played with her. They all can ORKO shit fine. It's just you put in all that effort for someone that doesn't even have better performance. You can't even concede that it's a benefit for the other Mages to not get OHKOd like she does.

>>716457263
The issue is that, for better or worse, ISIS succeeded in making a utopic, somewhat egalitarian Fire Emblem where all units get their three servings of bread, and players haven't mentally caught up yet. There are differences in performance, availability, etc. but they're rather slight. Players prefer to stick to their old spooks, though, where Jagen is God and the early axefag/archer is a hillbilly.

>lowen eliwood support is about food
>oscar ike support is about food
you'll never guess what stahl's support with male robin is about

>>716457263
>You can't even concede that it's a benefit for the other Mages to not get OHKOd like she does.
Because it's not a real issue and I don't think I've ever gotten her killed before.
>all that effort for someone that doesn't even have better performance
"All that effort" being one map of spamming great sacrifice+staves at the start of the game? And then having performance on par or better than every grounded mage in the game bar Pandreo plus giving you free money? She clearly does not suck if you're glazing Framme, so you're just arguing out of stubbornness at this point.

i very much enjoyed engage

Last for creampie freak Miriel

>>716457537
>Because it's not a real issue and I don't think I've ever gotten her killed before.
That's nice, but the math doesn't lie. Simply add Anna's DEF and HP and compare it to the enemies ATK value and you will see that she can get OHKOd. Your scrimblo can't even lure a single enemy unit.

>>716457642
>Simply add Anna's DEF and HP and compare it to the enemies ATK value and you will see that she can get OHKOd
And then set the damage to zero because bonded shield negates it.

>>716457560
not enough to have played it again in 2 years apparently

I was playing Engage a few months ago, I beat the DLC story which was tough as nails and then I knew that nothing in the main story would be even close to that so I lost interest.

>>716457736
i was looking at my old playthrough

>>716457520
The tax policy of Ylisse?

>>716457827
People misquote him there. He's talking about the differences between his writing style and Tolkien's, not saying one is better than the other.

New bread up

>>716457804
Use mods to create OCs.

>>716457520
I looked it up, and it's a good support. Awakening good.