Just gave it a try for the first time and, well
>crappy graphics and UI
>boring combat with pokemon grass style encounter spam
>7-year-old-girls play pretend tea party style characters and writing
In other words, it plays like utter crap. I'm going through reviews but it looks like it's just overehyped by a bunch of 13 year old homos who never played another game and think the writing is deep. Also seems like everyone with sex related mental illness thinks it validates their existence.

Give it to me raw /v/ what am I missing

>Give it to me raw /v/ what am I missing
Deltarune, literally fixes all three of those things. Writing more subjective but I say its improved.

>>716422429
Just checked steam and that's their FAQ:

Can you pet dogs in the first 2 chapters?
(crying) This FAQ is over!
[/dog]

I think I'm starting to get it now. This is the ultimate normie game. It has heckin wholesome chunguses, it judges your "moral choices" while validating sexual/mental illness and degeneracy. I'm now reading that there was so much porn created by the fanbase of the game at the time that some people thought it's a porn game, which makes perfect sense. They're just degenerates who for the first time played a game that said: hey, it's ok to cut off your dick. That's why they can't explain why this game is a 9 or 10/10 when it's clearly a mediocre product with the exception of soundtrack.

>>716422056 (OP)
https://jcw87.github.io/c2-sans-fight/
Play this instead to skip to the good part

who plays undertale expecting great graphics

>>716423342
genuinely the only good part

>>716423428
fair enough, the interface is clunky though. You have no way of knowing you don't need to kill the stupid cow at the beginning

>>716422056 (OP)
>I'm going through reviews but it looks like it's just overehyped by a bunch of 13 year old homos who never played another game and think the writing is deep.
Bingo, you cracked the code. The majority of Undertale's fandom came from Homestuck, a webcomic Toby provided music for before creating Undertale. They're essentially tumblrcore, and by that I mean teenage gamer gurls obsessed with yaoi shipping.

Undertale and Deltarune's success primarily comes from Toby being able to repackage a bunch of gimmicks and tropes from niche Japanese series to an audience that has never experienced it before. Throw in some good music (also heavily ripped from JP games like Touhou, Cavestory, and Earthbound) and le wacky irony-poisoned internet humor and you've got a recipe for success in an untapped market.

Deltarune isn't much better imo. It has better art, more varied gameplay, and is more polished overall, but the writing and gags at the core of the game are the same as ever. Not to mention, each chapter has a terrible case of villain-of-the-week, all of which are either SuPeR [WACKY] or maximum edge.

>>716423435
The undyne one is also fun but I do not think we have an online port of that one.

>>716425101
There's certainly a lot of millennial writing in this game. I am just surprised how mainstream the success of these games is. I get that there are some weirdos and mentally ill normies, plenty of niche markets in gaming, but these games are extremely popular. This is nowhere near "one of the best games in history". Thanks for the info anon, rare to get a quality reply on /v/ nowadays

>>716423342
>try this for the first time
>manage to survive the opening volley
Neat.

i just pirated it too and it's fucking awful. what is wrong with people?

>>716422056 (OP)
>complains about the graphics even though the gameplay is the main draw
>no mentions about the actual gameplay, just schizo nonsense
Don't you have another Twitter screencap to make today?

>>716425101
>The majority of Undertale's fandom came from Homestuck
Stopped reading right there. There's definitely overlap, but to say MAJORITY came from Homestuck is an exaggeration. It's still more accurate to say more people came from Undertale to Homestuck than vice versa.

>>716426963
the gameplay is shit lol, a ripoff of pokemon with unintuitive, clunky UI that doesn't provide all the information necessary and relies on guessing which acts will work on a given creature. Do you even know what gameplay means, it's the part where you actually play and there's nothing here but walking and talking to cringe quirky chungus characters with lame mobs aggroing all the time

>ripoff of pokemon

>ripoff of pokemon

>>716424509
>no way of knowing you don't need to kill the stupid cow at the beginning
>entire first section of the game emphasizes sparing enemies and not killing everything
Anon, I think you may just be stupid.

>>716428119
>ripoff of pokemon
How

>>716430154
And yet there's an exception programmed in her fight that makes any attack under 50% health kill her

>>716430234
Yes, that's deliberately explained as an in-game and in-universe mechanic later on, the idea being that monsters that don't want to fight you take more damage. This also allows for what people tend to refer to as "backstab" kills, where you can meet a monster's mercy requirements in order to get a one-hit kill on them.

>>716422056 (OP)
>Give it to me raw /v/ what am I missing
A very specific experience you get out of playing the games a few times in a specific order

>>716430234
Also, obviously you aren't supposed to actually fight her there in the pacifist route, she literally spends all of her time with you explaining the concept of sparing enemies and settling things peacefully, so when she tries to fight you and get you to comply with her through force, you're obviously meant to defy her by continuing to do things peacefully. This is pretty basic stuff for games with more choice-based gameplay, even outside of just Undertale.

>>716430801
>obviously you aren't supposed to actually fight her there in the pacifist route
But since there was an exception for the fight coded in, it means Toby wanted people to kill her by accident

>>716431867
Yes.
Like yeah, that's something the game accounts for. The game's main antagonist even has dialogue for if you kill Toriel and then load an earlier save to undo it.
God forbid a game be designed to give you an interesting experience, eh?

>>716424509
>You have no way of knowing you don't need to kill the stupid cow at the beginning
You're not meant to know. Game is very much design with the intention that the player kills toriel on their first run.

>>716422056 (OP)
there just aren't a lot of popular bullet hell games, sure there's better ones than undertale but all discussion on them is dead

>>716430465
>>716430801
>aktshually
>the game explains later what it should explain early on
so clunky, unintuitive design. Also the
>you must do things peacefully that's why the person who told you that is attacking you
is such a low IQ contradiction only normie midwits will ignore it and act like it's some deep coherent message
>>716430229
>>716429375
>>716428448
the same kind of 4 options to choose including abilities (acts), items, etc. boring, stale design

>>716432045
the interesting experience is the bad guy mocking you for a shitty design. Shamalyan tier writing
>>716432321
I can respect that, but reading reviews you'd think it's some universally acclaimed game rather than just a decent niche game

>>716432352
>the same kind of 4 options to choose including abilities (acts), items, etc. boring, stale design
Ah yes, because an rpg having only a select few options and not being on par with an immersive sim or some shit makes it a pokemon ripoff, of course.

>>716432526
don't play semantics, it's the same kind of crappy 90's interface we've seen in countless games with no improvements or depth. 10/10 game

>>716432352
>the same kind of 4 options to choose including abilities (acts), items, etc. boring, stale design
>he thinks Pokemon invented turn-based combat
Please be bait

>>716432352
>so clunky, unintuitive design.
The whole point is that it *doesn't* explain everything to you from the get go, and that the game lets you make decisions, even bad ones, without necessarily giving you the whole picture straight away. If you killed Toriel at the start, that was your choice. If you went back and undid that, that was also your choice to make, and the game responds to both of those choices accordingly.
It's a game where you're meant to think about what you're doing, as opposed to an rpg where you just spend all your time optimizing your build for mindless grinding and meaningless progression, though I think I can see now why something mindless might appeal to you more at this rate.

>>716432352
>is such a low IQ contradiction only normie midwits will ignore it and act like it's some deep coherent message
She literally says "Fight me or leave!" during her fight, and she starts purposely missing her shots when your hp gets too low. If you somehow manage to die in her fight (which you have to seriously be trying to do), she has a special sprite where she's shocked that she actually killed you.
Her whole fight is about her trying to provoke you into killing her, to show her that you're strong enough to survive beyond the ruins, obviously you aren't just supposed to go along with it.

Any chance you broke into that police station in Hong Kong when Maggie Chow told you to?

ai wives

eric, the bananza thread is two blocks down.

>>716422056 (OP)
Play Everhood. Trippy with good music and simillar to Undertale's style just better.
Would post a pic but 4chan bans me from that for some reason...

>>716432951
There can be no informed choice if there is no information. Any game can set up flags at various points and then say
>uhuh you did this and didn't do that
Players don't know they don't have to kill cowgirl cause there's no clear option for that, especially at the beginning when you barely start to interact with mechanics. That's shitty design, simple as.
>mindless
Disingenuous faggot, not knowing things in a new game that are not properly explained doesn't make one mindless.
>>716433247
There's nowhere to leave retard, that's the only exit. And don't ignore the fact that after preaching your peaceful bullshit she attacks you undermining HER point. It's not player's point not to attack, it's what she wants you to do and then goes against it by attacking you.

The absolute contradiction of your cope at the same time saying she tells you to "be peaceful" and "provokes you to kill her". You don't even read what you're typing just to defend your ego investement midwit.

>>716433247
>attacks you
>is shocked to have killed you
This is good writing in the opinion of retards who give this game 10/10. Then you have the nerve to compare it to deus ex which clearly signals what the player can do.

>>716436095
>no clear option for that
Are you sure?

>>716432951
>mindless grinding
encounters in undertale are mindless grinding, boring and repetitive. Great GAMES have an interesting GAMEplay on top of a story

>>716422056 (OP)
>7-year-old-girls play pretend tea party style
Release the list, Donnie.

>>716436956
it's not well explained, basically you already start killing mobs by the time you get a hang of it. There's a reason so many people killed cowgirl before realizing they could've spared her, and they didn't do it because they wanted to - that's poor design. Turning it later into some gatcha rubbing salt by the bad guy is cringe only 13 year old girls who never played video games would get impressed by

>>716437234
> basically you already start killing mobs by the time you get a hang of it
What the fuck are you talking about?
You literally do not get the chance to attack a single enemy before Toriel explains the concept of sparing, there are literally npcs lined up along a wall you can talk to that explain the concept in detail, there's no excuse for not knowing about the mercy mechanic other than being flat out retarded.

>>716437234
Are you commiting ad hominem to yourself or are you actually stupid?

>>716422056 (OP)
>Give it to me raw /v/ what am I missing
a SOUL

>>716430234
>And yet there's an exception programmed in her fight that makes any attack under 50% health kill her
the motto of the game is literally "the RPG where you don't have to kill anyone"

they even teach you that mercy is an option if you want to take it
how much more do they need to explain it to you

>>716437434
the explanation is clearly pretty shit given how many people are confused by the whole mechanic, for example there is no xp for sparing monsters, using this later on as a plot device against the player is not a 10/10 design

>>716438134
And despite the motto there's a fight where the creator wants people to accidentally kill the monster

>>716422056 (OP)
You forgot to mention the most important fact

>>716438229
fucking how, you just need to use the mercy button
you don't need to attack ever
if you have gotten to Toriel then you should know that you never had to kill any monsters

even DSP managed to figure this out on his fucking run of it

>>716438330
Don't ask me, ask the guy who programmed the fight to instakill her with one hit when her health drops to 50%

>>716438030
>no argument
start with that before complaining about ad hominem
>>716438119
soul is the last thing anyone would us to describe the coalition of furries, coomers and tumblr feminists who love this game, what you're referring to is being overly emotional and immature
>>716438134
>the motto
that's not how things work if the consequences of actions are not properly explained, just saying you don't have to kill anyone and then using it as a plot device "oh you killed a monster that attacked you when you barely started a game, that's a no no, no good ending for you" is retarded

>>716422056 (OP)
Mentally ill people have invaded videogames and think they should serve as a treatment for their trauma when their parents shouted at them once

>>716438436
>>716438467
sorry you are too retarded to enjoy it like everyone else did

>>716438253
I didn't, like the soundtrack a lot, I'm not trying to bash the game as some shit, it's just not one of the best games in history
>>716438330
>if you have gotten to Toriel then you should know that you never had to kill any monsters
How? there's barely any explanation for anything and the player is more busy with surviving 15 minutes after he started playing to remember that

>>716438467
you just need to have a SOUL anon. For it is in the SOUL wherein lies your DETERMINATION!!!

>>716422056 (OP)
Hey, lil' bro, I just wanted to pop in for a sec and tell you: good job on that bait. Seemed to work very well. If you keep this up, you'll go far, playa. That's all, take care, man. See you later.

>>716438597
you mean like a bunch of coomers and 13 year old feminists from tumblr? people thought undertale is a porn game because of the retards who enjoyed it. Also, it boils down to the lack of argument to defend it. Any genuine 9/10 and above game can defend itself on its merits, only hyped slop gets defended with passive aggressive "hurr durr subjective opinion, I just like it sorry you didn't"

>>716438669
the people who like this game have on average as much soul as wiccan pagans
>>716438801
>lil bro
go back nigger

>>716422056 (OP)
>pokemon grass style encounter spam
Oh no it's retarded.

>>716438941
you only need SOUL anon, remember: DETERMINATION!!!

>>716438669
That's right anon! If you didn't cry while watching titanic you don't have a soul- oh shit that's not /tv/ sorry

>>716438826
>doesn't understand basic game mechanics that are literally spelled out for you in detail
>bluh bluh tumblr coomers
I hear Down's syndrome is pretty rough, I hope things get better for you little guy.

>>716439034
If you didn't cry while playing UNDERTALE you don't have a SOUL

>>716438941
No need to get all pissy, lil' bro. Real recognizes real. That's how Gs move, get what I'm sayin'? But seriously, good job on that bait, but talk to you later, I gotta bounce. Peace.

>>716439127
I crode

>>716438974
>keep walking
>aggro annoying monsters that do nothing but waste your time if you're playing pacifist, and if you want to kill them you have to engage in the same boring combat
nice argument retard

>>716439216
>>716439127
>>716439106
samefagging shill/tranny
>>716439106
>doesn't explain basic combat mechanics properly
>sets up an early boss that's easy to kill because there's no clear explanation
a couple skippable lines saying you can spare monsters that lead plenty of players to accidentally kill the early boss is not a proper explanation in a game that has combat mechanic
>oh nooo you killed some random moster who attacked you in first five minutes of the game, you have no soul, no good ending for you!
only a retard will defens such poor design

>>716439502
I choose to SPARE you

>>716439502
ebin fail

>>716439502
>samefagging shill/tranny
Meds, now.

>>716439502
Why do you say the game chastises you? Are you afraid of being judged by a bunch of pixels?

>>716422056 (OP)
>>crappy graphics and UI
It's fine. It intentionally looks like MS Paint drawings, Toby actually removed better looking sprites.
>>boring combat
That's most RPGs, but Undertale is a bullet hell on top of it, and bosses always change things up with unique mechanics.
>with pokemon grass style encounter spam
wew lad there's so much to unpack here...
1. Why did you compare it to Pokemon specifically and not literally any other 2D RPG which does the same thing?
2. It's not even like Pokemon's grass encounters, because Undertale's random encounters happen anywhere "outdoors" while Pokemon's happen, as you just said, in tall grass. Did you actually play the game or did you just see some screenshots of the character in tall grass and surmise that's where the combat happens? It isn't.
3. It's not spammed, it's pretty normal. The game actually has very little combat for an RPG, because unlike most RPGs where you're expected to act like a meat grinder killing as many things as you can before needing to rest, the point of Undertale's encounters is to see funny dialogue, so outside the Ruins, the combat is intentionally spaced out so you only see each monster once or twice.
>7-year-old-girls play pretend tea party style characters and writing
The characters and writing are the second most lauded aspect of the game, which is why it's such a popular streaming game and people here are always posting memes from it. Both games are full of funny and touching moments.
>Give it to me raw /v/ what am I missing
You're not missing anything, anon, you just kinda' suck. That's fine, I hear a new Call of Duty is in the works, are you excited for that?

>>716438826
>Any genuine 9/10 and above game can defend itself on its merits
No it cannot. Entertainment is inherently subjective. All you can do is explain what's in the game and then assert that those things are good because you subjectively feel like they are. No one else has to agree.

>>716439667
>>716439658
>>716439618
totally organic
>>716439706
it uses the lack of proper introduction of a mechanic as a plot device and 13 year old npcs think it makes the game 10/10. It's the equivalent of eating of the floor in India and thinking it makes a great cuisine experience. Also it is pretentious and obnoxious on the part of the developer

>>716439996
I choose to SPARE you

>>716439996
Take your meds anon, this isn't good for you.

>>716439996
First of all, no one in the game ever tells you to use the Fight button. Second, does it really matter to you? The point is that a very large amount of outcomes is possible and recognized legitimately by the game. It's a game that feels alive despite the simplistic graphics.

>>716439880
>there's so much to unpack here
go back to r*ddit
>shitty US and graphics are fine
they're basic, soulless slop without a style, rpgs from late 90's had hand painted backgrounds and look much better
>all rpgs are boring
straight to the "aktshually communism is not bad because all ideologies suck", so you have dodging balls is not rpg, this game can't even be considered an rpg any more than call of duty
>why pokemon
cause that's the game that has this kind of thing that I'm most familiar with retard, you are so desperate for an argument this was mentioned over 5 times in this thread lmao
>Both games are full of funny and touching moments. me and the boys from 4chan love it
You're a r*dditor, you're not fooling anyone, and it's as touching as titanic, bet you were crying with your mom while watching too
>if you don't like a game loved by the shitties, lowest IQ npcs and literal mentally ill degenerates you suck
again r*ddit speak
>muh entertainment and everything is relative
>if it feels good it is good
classic relativistic npc thinking, art and beauty are objective, you think they're subjective cause you're ignorant and have shitty tastes. Entertainment that has low quality artistic, plot and gameplay elements as judged by comparing them to other existing works within the same category is not one of the best ever, no matter how much you cope.

>>716439996
>it uses the lack of proper introduction of a mechanic as a plot device
The game is practically tripping over itself to explain the mercy mechanics to you in the first area, you're just too downsy to understand basic explanations so it seems esoteric.

>>716440731
I choose to SPARE you

>>716440731
>cause that's the game that has this kind of thing that I'm most familiar with

>>716440509
There are two major outcomes only, both boring in terms of gameplay, and it matters insofar as it's not properly introduced yet has significance for the entire game very early on. If the game didn't want people to instinctively use the fight button it shouldn't have modeled (aka poorly copy) every other game where fighting is central.
>>716440146
>>716440059
>samefag keeps samefaggin
go on discord and ask some tranny buddy to at least post at the same time as you, instead of waiting to post twice in a row

>>716440968
I choose to SPARE you

>>716439996
The game is advertised as a game where you don't need to kill anyone, the first character you meet asks you not to fight anyone, and the characters are written to appear likeable and weak at first so it feels like you're doing something wrong by fighting them. You then meet more NPCs who explain how to spare and how you shouldn't fight anyone. This culminates in the woman who's treated you with kindness and affection standing in your way. Do you kill her? Well, someone who cared about the characters and what the game is strongly suggesting to them wouldn't, they'd get the "hint" and vow not to fight anyone. Or you can just shrug your shoulders and kill her because you don't give a shit. That's fine, too. How are you then going to complain 6 hours later? The game told you what was up and you didn't care.

And the game doesn't really chastise you. Most characters understand that shit happens. It's Undyne who doesn't let it go because she's law enforcement, why would she let it go? In a real RPG, the world should be internally believable, meaning monsters are living things and characters are people. You can't just murder them and expect no one to give a shit. Can you do that irl? No? Then you can't do it in an RPG either. Everyone knows this.

Whether it's pretentious or not is debatable. Toby played RPGs as a kid and loved the monsters in them, and felt bad about killing them, especially in games like Mother where the "monsters" aren't always that monstrous. That's why he made a game where you befriend them.

But at the end of the day, it mostly works out. By not going pacifist, you don't get the big happy ending, but why would you? You murdered some dude. If you actually cared about getting a big happy ending, you would've spared all the monsters.

>>716441016
You have 10 seconds to explain how that cope can't be applied to horse fuckers

>>716440968
Nope, try again.

>>716440878
a couple vague lines from some random flower is not tripping over, why do you have to lie? Why do so many of your furry friends who love the game so much also missed this mechanic? Why is it so easy to insta kill the boss? stop coping
>>716440946
>heh you fell into my trap, now let me mischaracterize what you just said
70 IQ midwit
>>716440918
>I get paid by the post!
is there a list of tranny approved games you must shill for jewish whore?

>>716441097
>, the first character you meet asks you not to fight anyone,
Actually the first character you meet literally says "IT'S KILL OR BE KILLED".

>>716441189
I choose to SPARE you

>>716441016
>toby is a lurker
holy shit

>>716441189
"I can't understand game mechanics when they're spelled out for me over and over again, why would the jews do this?"

>>716441202
True, rest of the game points out he is full of shit. Even he does halfway through.

>>716440968
>There are two major outcomes
There are three major outcomes actually, (spare toriel, kill toriel, kill toriel after killing everything else), plus a number of other states that change the dialogues of Flowey after the fight (wether you killed her first, she killed you an do on).
>yet has significance for the entire game very early on
Yeah, no shit that choosing wether to spare or kill one of the major bosses in a game where killing and sparing are the methods to win battles is going to be relevant for the rest of the playthrough.

>>716422056 (OP)
I gave OP benefit of doubt and thought he was just shitposting, but after reading this thread, he may actually be retarded.
Ten bucks says he was born after Mother 3 got released

>>716441560
100 for it being bait

>>716441560
I know right?
This guy sounds like DSP on steroids, just an absolute refusal to understand basic game mechanics.

>>716441704
gotta remember we're on /v/ though, it's literally a tossup between OP being clinically retarded (stupider than DSP who actually beat the game) or just an angry teen on Summer vacation who wants to bait for (You)s

>>716441097
>is advertised as
no one cares what it's advertised as, that's not an argument for poor explanations of mechanics. That's what you get when you copy paste UI from other actual rpgs where you have fight mechanic and then barely mention the, as it turns out later, very important sparing mechanic. The shallow way it's introduced the player has every right to think it's as relevant as fleeing from combat.
>kindness and affection standing in your way
she's attacking you and will kill you if you let her, you disingenuous pilpuling faggot. The game literally doesn't tell you anything at that point, doesn't suggest that you don't have to kill her and put the choice in your hands, you just continue a fight she started and then insta kill her once crossing 50% health bar which proves the developer did that on purpose to later moralize you (insta 10/10 from I'm 13 and this is deep).
>Toby
any faggot who talks about developer when defending the game as if it was an argument is either a shill or in a parasocial relationship with them. It's the same thing with rimworld shills.
>ends the r*ddit spacing diatribe by blaming the player for killing someone because the mechanic was poorly telegraphed and implemented
lmao pure pilpul

>>716422056 (OP)
>>crappy graphics and UI
Irrelevant.
>>boring combat with pokemon grass style encounter spam
Arbitrary. Oh, it's "boring". I can call everything you like "boring" too. This is an ineffectual and meaningless assertion. Improve your criticism.
>>7-year-old-girls play pretend tea party style characters and writing
Yes, light hearted levity is an appeal. You are not mature for not enjoying it.

>>716422056 (OP)
>crappy graphics
There is in fact a word for that, it's called "pixel art".

>>716441864
I choose to SPARE you

>>716441835
I am aware but I am a professional gambler. Also nice pic

>>716441189
>mischaracterize what you just said
Buddy. Pal. Friendo.
I ain't mischaracterizing shit, you called the game a pokemon ripoff despite the two having nothing in common other than the overworld movement being similar, and just about every pixel rpg on the planet works like that.
Just about anyone could come up with a better point for comparison for Undertale, usually Earthbound, provided they've actually played more than one rpg ever, like you haven't.

>>716441835
DSP actually beat it? Damn, I've gotta see that. How much trouble'd it give him?

>>716441986
The overworld movement isnt even the same, you can walk diagonally in undertale.

>>716442060
honestly he could have done a lot worse. I expected worse I mean

>>716440731
>they're basic, soulless slop without a style
All the fanart suggests otherwise.
>rpgs from late 90's had hand painted backgrounds and look much better
They're more detailed, but higher fidelity != better. Only normalfags think that. Regardless it's not like anyone thinks Undertale has amazing graphics or anything, they just don't care.
>straight to the "aktshually communism is not bad because all ideologies suck"
Communism is bad and all ideologies themselves are like driving without steering.
>so you have dodging balls is not rpg
Dodging attacks is like 50% of what you'd expect the combat in an RPG to be.
>this game can't even be considered an rpg
It is absolutely an RPG. An RPG is not a game where you slowly increase in avatar strength and command a character to do the fighting for you. An RPG is a game where you have freedom of choice over who your character is and how they act. For example, you chose to be a murderer and are now crying about how the NPCs don't like you (even though you don't like them?)
>Pokemon is the only RPG I've played
We noticed.
>You're a r*dditor
4chan has always liked this game and Titanic wasn't touching, it was really an action film.
>again r*ddit speak
I was trying to be nice. I didn't want to call you a nigger in my first post. My mistake.
>>muh entertainment and everything is relative
The only judge on whether something's ENTERTAINING is if people are ENTERTAINED by it. That requires the people. People as in "subjects." Are you starting to do the math?
>>if it feels good it is good
No, things can be good without feeling good, like medicine and hard work. We are talking about video games, though, right?
>art and beauty are objective
They aren't. If you ask an artist why the quality of art is objective, what they'll resort to is
a.) the historical significance of the work, or
b.) the skill needed to make it.
I don't give a fuck about either of those, I'm not a fellow artist and I'm not a 17th century Spanish peasant.

>>716442141
Yeah, but I was referring more to the similarity the two game's have in the sense that you can, in fact, move around the overworld and interact with things. After that, there really isn't too much to compare between the two, because of how much of a fucking reach this comparison is.

>>716441408
>over and over again
lying jew
>>716441507
so are the shills itt claiming the first character asks you not to fight
>>716441524
>yeah no shit you should've known the cringe mommy character you meet and attacks you within 15 minutes of the game start is a big boss, what are you, stoopid?
>some dialogue change is a big outcome
whoo boy, then steins gate is a 20/10 for people who claim undertale is one of the best games
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classic shilling brigade tactic, start making lots of posts all adding no argument and agreeing with one another, pathetic you're not fooling anyone

>>716442393
I choose to SPARE you

>>716442393
>lying jew
Oh my god, unironically, lol

>>716442393
bro is copypasting tags, not even (you)ing people, this is great

OP even if you are trolling its reached the point where you're the one looking foolish

>>716442541
you just know he's so mad

>>716441871
>cringe millennial writing is good and needs maturity to be appreciated
if you didn't cringe at calling cowgirl mommy a moment after you met her then you're clinically retarded
>big parts of what constitutes a game are irrelevant so I can pretend it's 10/10
lmao
>>716441903
there's no art, even compared to other pixel games it's just generic slop
>>716441986
I said an element is a ripoff, not the whole game retard, learn to read

>>716442393
They are reffering to the Tutoriel character yes, the one who literally hand holds you in the beginning.

>>716442393
>classic shilling brigade tactic, start making lots of posts all adding no argument and agreeing with one another, pathetic you're not fooling anyone
See pal, it's alright if you don't like the game. Genuinely, there are some valid reasons not to, it's not for everyone by all means.
What we're laughing at is the fact that you chose the most retarded reason possible not to like it, that being that you were too mentally incompetent to understand a mechanic that the game was practically shoving down your throat to the point where it sounded annoying to anyone actually capable of basic reading comprehension.

So are we not getting JANNIED anymore or is this a new phase of attack? I feel like a thread like this would've been sniped already about a month ago.

>>716442673
>I said an element is a ripoff, not the whole game retard, learn to read
Are you sure?

>>716442881
I think the Jannies only target non bait threads. So the next stealth threads should be talking shit about the game.

>>716442995
>So the next stealth threads should be talking shit about the game.
When do we not?

>>716442995
>>716442881
we can make this our stealth thread, the OP is probably getting too mad and embarrassed to stick around anyways

>>716422056 (OP)
That's just like. Your opinion man. You don't have to like it

>>716443075
>When do we not
When we are too busy shipping the characters

>>716443184
Alright, fair.

>>716443239
Speaking of which

>>716442881
>temmie is a stoner
do you think it makes her even stupider or does she becomes enlightened while high?

Now the shills go into overdrive spamming artifical conversation circlejerk with no substance as they have no arguments. They try to shut the thread as quickly as possible, any /pol/ack knows that's how jewish shills operate when losing a debate.

>>716442310
>the fanart
not an argument, also, you mean porn?

Old rpgs have hand drawn background retard, learn to read, it wasn't an argument about fidelity.
>communism is bad and so is every other ideology
lmao case in point
>compares dodging a ball to rpg combat
you really are retarded or never played an rpg
>it's absolutely rpg
debatable, it has some elements, but others traditionally associated with rpg games are extremely poor
>mischaracterizes the pokemon statement again
god dammit you're pathetic and desperate, you're not convincing anyone of anything except that you're a disingenuous faggot
>4chan is one person
>I was trying to be nice
try again passive aggressive r*dditor faggot who mischaracterizes statements to win an argument
>the quality of entertainment is judged by those entertained so burning cats is the same quality of entertainment as inventing complex games that captivate people from all walks of life
you can swim in shit for fun, that doesn't change the fact that your entertainment and you are both low quality subhuman
>medicine and hard work don't feel good
you never worked in your life, I mean real job not shilling for couple dollars per hour
>I'm an uneducated plebe and don't give a fuck about what makes great art
that's why you like shitty art, like I explained earlier

>>716443493
I choose to SPARE you

>>716423326
Deltarune is more schizocore

>>716443493
>Old rpgs have hand drawn background retard, learn to read, it wasn't an argument about fidelity.
Aw fuck yeah, love me some good old hand-drawn rpgs

>>716443493
>OP goes full schizo when nobody falls for the ragebait and moves on to actually talk about the game
like clockwork. don't you have anything better to do?

>>716443493
>talking about pokemon again
'Ey, I see you there, grow some balls and (you) me like a man!
Also, that's literally what you said in that post, I'm not mischaracterizing anything, you just don't even understand what you said.

>>716442393
Yes, you should've known that the character with a larger sprite, more complex interactions, a dedicated cutscene and a themesong different from the ones beforehand is an important boss whose death will be relevant later.

>>716443493
bro isn't even (you)ing the people he's responding to now, he's so scared of anyone actually responding to his bullshit arguments that he's practically hiding them but still wants to feel like he's won

>>716442468
where are the mechanics explained over and over before you kill the cow? You can't answer this, so you are a lying jew.
>>716442541
>>716442672
>hello fellow 4ch*nners
it's so easy at this point kek
>>716442649
>no argument

>>716422429
Deltarune doesn't even have a fucking music volume slider

>>716443906
I choose to SPARE you

>>716442683
and yet it's not the first character, you jewish whores are so desperate you cannot even concede one, in your face, falsehood you spew
>>716442824
>shoving down the throat
again, lying jew, it's barely mentioned, and with nowhere near the emphasis given how early and how important it is. None of this sudden spam of empty, circlejerking posts is organic, any anon who's been on 4chan some time knows it. Cope
>>716442925
gameplay and the UI is a ripoff of games like pokemon, and it is an element of the game, not the whole game. So yeah, I'm sure. What about you? Are you retarded?

>>716423342
The genocide undyne fight has cooler music/mechanics

I hope sans gets his smug ass kicked and every bone of his body shatters

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totally organic fellow shills, shut the thread down quickly!

>>716444127
If you want organic go to the supermarket

>>716444127
I choose to SPARE you

>>716443906
>where are the mechanics explained over and over before you kill the cow? You can't answer this, so you are a lying jew.
When Toriel has you practice sparing the dummy, when Toriel glares the Froggit into leaving you alone during an encounter, when multiple Froggits lined up against the wall in one of the first rooms of the game with a save point explain the mercy mechanic in detail, down to one of them having a dialogue option to change the color enemies' names turn when they can be spared, even the fact that the game advertised itself as "the rpg where no one has to die".
There's no excuse here pal, you're just stupid.

>>716444127
retard doesn't even know how to reply

>>716444127
Hey buddy, you dropped these: >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

>>716444251
newfag

>>716430154
The game also tells you that you can spare enemies by bringing their HP down, which is a total lie in Toriel's case.

>>716443607
how's cherry picking, got enough to shove up your ass with your dildo?
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>why is he not replying to our empty posts
and the shills continue with their totally organic spam
>>716443859
>tiny irrelevant differences
>you SHOULD KNOW IT!
literal dogmatic cult behavior

>>716444384
I choose to SPARE you

>>716444060
>gameplay and the UI is a ripoff of games like pokemon
Are you sure?

>>716444127
If only the jannies knew we were getting triple their pay they wouldnt shut down our threads.

>>716444214
>capitalizes froggit
yeah so, totally not a shill, one line with a dummy, and one line with a frog thing that mentions it with the same importance as if it was a flee option even though, again, it is very important from the very start. That's not over and over, that's barely mentioned in this situation.
>>716444348
does it though, because that sounds like bullshit you just made up, but even if it's barely mentioned once it's hardly proper explanation, also
>one hit cow once she goes to 50% HP
yeah right
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>give me (you) for shekels go- guy

>>716444384
>tiny irrelevant differences
Yeah, a specific named character who has their own battle theme, their own cutscenes, and their own designated area where you fight them is barely different from random encounters with generic enemies, totally unreasonably for the game to expect you to be able to tell the difference, 100%

>>716444563
>4 squares with near identical functions
>ArE yOu SuRE

>>716444672
>one line with a dummy
Literally a mock battle specifically showing you how to use the act and mercy buttons, there ain't nothing going on in that downsy little head of yours is there?

>>716444672
I choose to SPARE you

>>716422056 (OP)
It's a game for little girls and mentally ill people with hormonal imbalances, what the fuck you spect it to be? A masterpiece?

>>716444746
Yes, having four buttons for the battle interface is 100% something pokemon did first, and no other game has ever done ever before or since.
Are you one of Nintendo's lawyers by any chance? You've got the makings of one, that's for sure.

>>716444746
>Pokemon
>run
suuuure buddy

>>716444746
So does that mean Pokemon is a Dragon Quest ripoff?

>>716442673
>if you didn't cringe at calling cowgirl mommy a moment after you met her then you're clinically retarded
You don't have to call her mother. That's your own choice. Moreover, this is a terrible argument. "It's bad because cringe"? You suck at debating. Seriously, stop communicating in buzzwords and try to actually describe what's poor about this.

>>716444678
nigger, you're in the game for 15 minutes at the point, you don't know what own battle theme is
>cutscence
>designated area
I guess the ghosts and vegetable monsters were bosses too eh. You post is literally you admitting you have no argument.

The game is poorly designed, misses on explaining basics that are very important from the start of the game and the uses its own incompetence as a plot point making low IQ niggers and trannies in awe of its genius. Mediocre slop for npc cattle.

And that's ignoring the 50 empty shilling posts to shut down the thread because it's one of premiere tranny games. Get a real job

>>716445020
>you're in the game for 15 minutes at the point, you don't know what own battle theme is
You go through multiple sections of the ruins and several enemy encounters by the time you reach Toriel at the end, if you don't know what the battle theme sounds like you're either the greatest speedrunner of all time, or deaf.

>>716444936
the fact it's even there makes it cringe, and the rest is barely better
>cringe is le good quality
>you don't like shit because it stinks? stop using buzzwords
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>>716444887
>>716444864
>please explain for the tenth time that pokemon is a shortcut for games with similar design that happens to be one of it not the most popular of them all
>>716444758
>literally a mock battle
one line, for the most important mechanic in the game

>>716445020
>I guess the ghosts and vegetable monsters were bosses too eh.
Eh, mini-bosses. Moreso the latter encounter than the former, but the former encounter does also teach you sparing through the act system in battles, so again, no excuses here pal, this is still on you.

>>716444563
Looks more like Phantasy star 2 honestly

>>716445289
I choose to SPARE you

>>716445153
>multiple empty rooms
>several encounters
you're just proving my point, you have no idea what is normal and what is boss theme at that point because you
BARELY
STARTED
THE
GAME
fucking retard lmao

>>716445289
>one line
Again, not a "line", it's an entire sequence showing you how exactly it's done, no excuses here pal.
>pokemon is a shortcut for games with similar design
Ah yes, because having a UI at all means that Undertale is just creatively bankrupt or whatever, totally.

>>716445020
The ghost is, in fact, a unique monster with a cutscene and dialogue outside of its battle.
The vegetables have the same theme and background as the froggits, flies, jellies and eyeballs, of which you are bound to encounter multiples of.
>15 minutes
I don't think you can reach Toriel's fight in 15 minutes even if you skip all the dialogue and run from all fights.

>>716445329
two lines are an excuse, go google I killed toriel accidentally retard and see how many people had that issue
>>716445352
totally normal behavior posting this shit dozens of time, totally not like jewish christian whores on /pol/

>>716445289
>>please explain for the tenth time that pokemon is a shortcut for games with similar design that happens to be one of it not the most popular of them all
There are better games to compare the game with, like earthbound.

>>716445289
>>cringe is le good quality
>>you don't like shit because it stinks? stop using buzzwords
Nope, still not an argument. You can't argue to an ineffable inherent badness. It's not a point to acknowledge or refute. "Bad cuz bad" is not a worthwhile opinion.

>>716445497
I choose to SPARE you

>>716445384
>you have no idea what is normal and what is boss theme at that point
Yeah, maybe *you* don't, because you've clearly shown yourself to have some kind of advanced learning disability, but just about anyone capable of tying their shoes can tell the difference between a random encounter and a boss fight.

>>716445497
Jews dont spam because they could be picking up pennies instead

>>716445456
one line in the sequence for THE MOST IMPORTANT mechanic in the game, that you can still skip because cowgirl gets one hit killed under 50% of health UNLIKE other mobs
>>716445465
>hurr durr *fart* aktshually
you have no argument for any retarded claim you made

>>716445609
I choose to SPARE you

>>716445609
>one line
Again, not one line, and not even just that one sequence, since again, there's literally an entire room dedicated to npcs who explain all this shit for you if you missed it.

>>716426963
What fucking gameplay does Undertale have? it's a glorified visual novel and the only things that can be considered actual bossfights are locked behind the genocide route which is shitty on purpose, everything else might as well be automated with how little effort it takes
Deltarune has the exact same problem where 90% of the game is genuinely not worth playing outside of the hidden bosses, and even then Gerson got knocked down to retard nigger baby difficulty compared to the other ones so that even the average fan of these games could get through him without much difficulty

>>716424509
You are supposed to kill Toriel and then regret it later.

Undertale is a game for people with compassion and empathy, you will never be able to understand it.

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>it has four wheels, like toyota
>why didn't you compare it to ford
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>socially inept, immature, weird dialogue is good
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>I know what a boss fight is even though there's no clear indicator in a new game I barely started playing because I'm so smart and *sniffs own fart*

Imagine earning money by posting this shit, assuming these are not just bots

>>716445609
>WTF THE GAME ISN'T REPEATING EACH OF ITS MECHANICS EVERY TIME I ENCOUNTER THEM AIEEE HELP ME UBISOFTIVISIONMAN HOLD MY HAND PRETTY PLEASE I'M SCARED

>>716445825
I choose to SPARE you

>>716445825
What is your favorite part of the game?

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two lines that you forget because its importance is not emphasized before you make a decision that will influence your entire game
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notice how none of the shills pointed out how retarded this dude is? weird huh?
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>you are supposed to feel what the dev wants you to feel
>by failing because HE didn't do his job properly and explain the mechanics properly
>also the game has great choices
so desperate for an argument to win

There's like 5 real anons in the whole thread. Grim

>>716437234
>>716438467
>EVERYTHING MUST BE CAREFULLY EXPLAINED TO ME LIKE I AM 5 OTHERWISE IT IS BAD DESIGN, PLEASE UNDERSTAND, I AM RETARDED

>>716445998
I choose to SPARE you

>>716445825
>[shitty car metaphor for shitty argument here]
Buddy, it's because you're making the most barebones comparison in the world. Yeah, the UI for both Undertale and Pokemon *do* have 4 buttons, I'm impressed you can count that high, but what exactly do the games have in common outside of that? Seriously, lay it on me. The actual combat systems for each are nothing even remotely similar (unless you wanna say that being able to use items to heal mid combat makes it a carbon-copy ripoff, how could I have missed that of course), and what the UI buttons even do in each game are nothing alike at all.
Even aside from that, what exactly is the problem with not reinventing the wheel for the combat UI? It's functional, looks fine, it's intuitive and easy to understand for just about everyone but you, so what's the issue?

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>hey btw you can also spare their lives, no biggie, because they're just stupid monsters, but later I will act like it's a big deal
traumatized retard
>>716445960
Undertale? Music is good, characters and the idea overall is not bad either, it's just the execution is mediocre. I don't think it's a bad game. 7/10? sure. 10/10? get the fuck outta here

>>716445998
>notice how none of the shills pointed out how retarded this dude is? weird huh?
No because you having a meltdown over a single spammer is hillarious

>>716446135
I choose to SPARE you

This entire thread is one giant self-own by OP, it's almost magical. Is this performance art?

>>716446135
>I don't think it's a bad game. 7/10? sure. 10/10? get the fuck outta here
Completely agreed there, I think it just came in the right place right time for a indie game to explode. Also real generous score for the amount of shit talk you are giving this thread.

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>good game design doesn't properly explain its most important mechanics that are utilized immediately from the get go
>>716446119
nigger they're near identical, except fight is fight, and pokemon is acts. The problem is that it's basic with no depth, it's not a *bad* thing, it's just not a *great* thing either

>>716446135
I ain't even saying it's a 10/10 pal, I'm just saying you're retarded for saying the most obvious and clearly explained mechanic is somehow hard to grasp because apparently you opted not to finish preschool before playing the game and posting here.

>>716446302
I choose to SPARE you

>>716446135
>>hey btw you can also spare their lives, no biggie, because they're just stupid monsters, but later I will act like it's a big deal
What are you quoting? Toriel? She doesn't chastize you for killing stuff (even for killing her), but she literally never EVER tells you to FIGHT. She only says to ACT to resolve battles.

>>716444672
>does it though, because that sounds like bullshit you just made up
Literally told to you by a tutorial Froggit in clear text that you can't miss.

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countless insults at me but zero at a literal mentally ill cultist, things that make you go huh, almost like it's a team
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>no argument
sensing a theme
>>716446282
I'm really not, it's just the same retards are arguing in the most disingenuous way and cannot accept that some parts are less than great. If a game is 9/10 or more it has to have objectively good qualities, this game has some but not enough.

>>716446302
>near identical
The way they actually let you interact with the enemy in combat is completely different, especially since you only ever manage one party member in Undertale, whereas in Pokemon you have the option to swap out different pokemon on the fly. This results in completely different gameplay when it comes to the combat, since you only ever have the one healthbar to manage, and this isn't even talking about the actual bullet dodging minigames.
Also
>except fight is fight
Holy shit, actual illiteracy, caught in the wild

>>716428448
>>716429375
>>716430229
it actually rips off knights in the nightmare, though to be fair, i highly doubt toby knew of its existence even back then so it definitely wasn't on purpose

>>716446482
I dont see them overly praising the mechanics but pointing out that you missed clear indicators on how the game works plus making fun of your pokemon comparison. Also you calling the spammer Jewish and everybody else shills doesnt put you in a positive light.

>>716441283
its the best option for him because his fanbase is fucking insane.
if he wanted to talk about UTY, which of course he would its currently biggest fanwork of his passion project and a milestone for UT/DR fanworks, then it'd drive his fandom into a frenzy trying to shit out an ELQ full fangame to GET ATTENTION FROM TOBY!!!! (also it has a fox and he's a confirmed foxfucker)
so he has two options
>an alt thats not at all related to the toby fox persona, but this carries a massive risk of accidentally connecting the two
>just going anonymous, even if he leaks something that might confirm his presence nobody will believe it and it cant be linked to any other posts
going anonymous is his best option if he actually wants to talk about things because there's no possible chance anything he says will carry weight from his insane fandom. and also here has far less of the fagshit than elsewhere.

>sans is sparing you.
How did you react?

>>716446482
I choose to SPARE you

>>716446558
Never heard of that one, looks interesting though.
Am gonna need a bit more info before accepting the idea that it's similar to Undertale though, really not seeing it from these screenshots.

>>716446337
it's not obvious, otherwise the dev wouldn't code a response to those who realize they don't have to kill the cow and went back to not kill her. It's a pretentious mechanic operating on poor explanation for cheap shock value.
>>716446438
the gravity of killing monsters is lacking in explanation, for a player these are just another dumb monsters, then the game comes with gatcha! you killed literally spawning from air copy paste monsters so you're bad!
>>716446462
see, that one I don't even remember, that's how unimportant it seemed

>>716446302
Explain what makes fight in Pokemon similar to Fight in Undertale, or how swotching mons is related to ACTing.

>>716445759
This reads like someone who both never played a JRPG and is trying so hard to sound like a pro after reading the wiki what bosses the game had

>>716422056 (OP)
it's a friend simulator
if you don't want to feel like you're building a bond with virtual characters, it's not for you

>>716446482
>cannot accept that some parts are less than great
Like I said pal, I totally get not liking the game, I've got my fair share of grievances with it myself, you just happened to have picked the most retarded possible hill to die on with this shit.

>>716446628
>there are no jewish shills on 4chan
>clear indicators
anything but
>20 posts about factual statement that the UI and combat mechanic is a ripoff of pokemon
there's nothing funny about it, just pilpul

>>716425101

>>716446723
>it's not obvious, otherwise the dev wouldn't code a response to those who realize they don't have to kill the cow and went back to not kill her.
Yes, no game dev has ever made something with the explicit knowledge that not everyone will find it, that's never happened before in gaming history, you got me.

>>716446723
If you feel bad about having killed monsters, just restart. The game allows you to and accounts for that.

>>716446840
>>there are no jewish shills on 4chan
Didnt say that, this spammer just isnt it.
>20 posts about factual statement that the UI and combat mechanic is a ripoff of pokemon
Its a really big stretch, you might as well say anything with a 2D UI and overhead view is a pokemon ripoff.

>>716446779
>JRPG
But it's a 2hu knockoff
Also you're a tranny if you disagree, shit like Toby nerfing the knight to appeal to crying shitters just further shows how gameplay is tertiary to these games

>>716446987
I do dislike him nerfing the game like that and not having an option to revert somewhere in the game settings (Armored Core: For Answer style), but I disagree with the idea that it's a touhou knockoff due to how little the games actually have in common, despite Toby's obvious inspiration.

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>let's split hair anon, it's not 100% identical so you can't call it a ripoff
>I don't know what illiteracy means but let me accuse you of it because I'm so desperate this whole thread
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mental
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no argument
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>genocide option
>friend simulator
>friends is when you're forced to like others
that's how narcissistic npcs from r*ddit for friendships actually
>>716446821
No, it's a factual statement backed by the fact how many people had this problem and that it was an intentional gotcha by the developer, it's the 150 posts made by shills that chose to die on that hill

>>716447202
I choose to SPARE you

>>716447202
>>genocide option
>>friend simulator
Come on anon how can you make real friends if you dont have the option the kill them? It would be alot lamer if you HAD to be their friend no matter your choice

>>716446719
>Am gonna need a bit more info before accepting the idea that it's similar to Undertale though
...the gist of it is that it's a bullet hell rpg. enemies shoot out bullets and bosses generally test how much you've been paying attention to the bullet hell mechanics, on top of the turn based real time strategy bullshit. they're definitely not 1:1, but at the same time, you can't really say there are many bullet hell rpgs that attack your cursor

Just saw this on twitter, enjoy

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>you're feeling bad
you mean the dev makes you feel bad
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>comparing easter eggs to core elements of a game's plot
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>the coordinated circlejerk spam isn't it
yes it is, it behaves exactly the same way
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see >>716425101

>>716447202
>factual statement backed by the fact how many people had this problem
>people can't grasp the basic point of the game despite it having been the game's main advertising point since 2013 therefore my braindead opinions are undeniable facts
Cool story bro, what's it like being in an assisted living facility by the way? You get potty trained yet, or are you waiting until 30 for that?

>>716447390
>you mean the dev makes you feel bad
How else would you feel bad?

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>hey fellow twitter r*ddit 4channers
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you do if you want the good ending, you're even punished for killing when you werent fully aware of the mechanics

>>716447387
what the fuck am I looking at

>>716447390
I choose to SPARE you

>>716447353
Eh, that sounds like more of a surface level similarity at that rate. Not a bad comparison point, but I doubt Toby took any direct inspiration from it.

A lot of people biting in this thread.

>>716423326
Game was a solid 7/10 back in the day. Then the fan base ruined it bringing it down to a 5. Now it's basically a meme so there's no point to it anymore.

Tldr: you're missing it 10 years ago before it was left in the sun to wither

>>716447545
To be fair OP is a really good angler, shits hillarious

I said
STOP
SPARING
ME

>>716446987
>>But it's a 2hu knockoff
Calling Undertale a touhou knockoff is like calling Cave Story a Metroid knockoff.
Just because they've taken inspirations from these games, that doesn't mean they're knockoffs. They're practically different game genres
>rest of the post
I don't give shit about the Knight because I've beaten it twice before the nerf
Now keep spewing more schizo rants, helps with the wait for the next chapter

>>716447503
Fuckin' hell dude, are you scared of your own shadow that you can't even bring yourself to (you) people? You're just making this obtuse at this point, and it certainly doesn't hide the fact that you don't actually have a leg to stand on here.

>>716447506
Art.

>>716438436
>resetting like a bitch instead of living with his choices
She's locked behind a door. Nobody would know anyways

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>the game was released in [current year -12]!!!
nice argument retard, but then again subhumans like you mostly watch others play games on twitch instead of buying them without spoilers
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I don't feel bad. I'm told I should feel bad because a retard didnt properly introduce the most important mechanics into the game.

>>716447575
>Game was a solid 7/10 back in the day. Then the fan base ruined it bringing it down to a 5.
the game is the same it was when it was launched anon, you ruined it for yourself

>>716447657
Anons arent telling you to feel bad, they are calling you stupid

>>716447657
I choose to SPARE you

>>716447727
How big is your undertale/deltarune folder?

>>716447532
that's why i said it definitely wasn't on purpose because the game is still super obscure, even now. and if you're still plainly interested in the game, get ready to set aside about 2 hours for a tutorial because you seriously don't want to skip it hoo hoo hoo boy

>>716447601
>t. Toriel

>>716447727
HE'S NOT TORIEL BRO

716447610
shouldnt have posted 100 posts without an argument in a classic shill spam campaign
>saar give us (you) please
no food for you today I guess
716447620
>YOUR choice is not being told clearly what your choices are, including at the moment you couldve spared a cringe cow thats coded to die from one hit under 50% HP for some reason
look at this disingenuous fuck still going with blaming the player for shitty dev design

>>716446630
That actually makes a ton of sense. I'd see myself doing the same thing.

>>716447883
You'll be my Toriel for tonight.

>>716447886
I choose to SPARE you

716447707
>can't even do a basic follow of what's being said
>must come up with a 70 IQ elementary school zinger

>>716447982
I choose to SPARE you

>>716447886
why are you not writing the full number

>ctrl+F "I choose to SPARE you"
>25 matches

>MOOOOOM THE GAME TRICKED ME :'(
Games are allowed to trick you, honey.

>>716447941
Get me OUT OF THIS HELL

>>716448041
First time I've seen a solo fanart of the Greater Dog

>>716447657
Y'know what? Even ignoring the fact that the game goes completely out of it's way to explain the mercy mechanic so that no one above a preschooler's reading level could possibly miss it, but so what if it didn't? I've played through tons of games that don't necessarily take the time to explain every single mechanic, even extremely basic ones that are fundamental to the game's core gameplay loop. Did you play all of Dark Souls 3 without dodging because the game only had one missable tutorial message on the ground telling you how to do it at the start? Did you play Halo: Combat Evolved without moving the camera because the game only spent a minute on the camera controls in the opening instead of explaining what the thumbsticks do for nine hours?
I know this might be a difficult idea for you to grasp, but sometimes you have to use your fucking brain to figure out what to do instead of having it thrown up into your mouth. Not that Undertale is actually asking you to use your brain here anyway, since it is more than happy to shove the mercy mechanic down your throat in the opening area.

>>716447886
>>YOUR choice is not being told clearly what your choices are, including at the moment you couldve spared a cringe cow thats coded to die from one hit under 50% HP for some reason
Just load up your save bro. Flowey calling you a nigger afterwards has no effect on your game.

>this kills OP

716448150
>aktshually it was a trick
hoping for whatever sticks
716448205
>completely out of its way
>two lines without any particular emphasis
>retarded comparisons to other games
yeah you need a tutorial to learn how to dodge in dark souls 3, because it's not obvious and if you fail dodge you fail the game several hours later, please.
716448209
not the point, it's poor design used to push pretentious bullshit

>>716448430
I choose to SPARE you

Krusie

This thread is a stain

>>716448205
NTA but I completely agree. Earthbound doesn't give you an in-depth tutorial on what each command means during battle, it just throws a bunch of piss-easy enemies so you can experiment early on and see what each command does. The only tutorials you get are from talking to NPCs in Onett about how certain mechanics work (the hotel, the hospital, how you or the enemy can get an extra attack in depending on how you're facing, etc.)
And whatever consequences that come from killing monsters can easily be reverted by just reloading your SAVE.
>b-but Flowey remembers-
Fuck Flowey. He's probably done worse than you'll ever do unless you commit to a genocide route.

You don't choose to spare in Undertale, you just blindly follow instructions. Genocide is the only path that you truly choose and are in control of.

>no more (you)s
>jewish whore shill/bot spam suddenly dies
as expected

jidf considers pushing tranny games like undertale almost as important as pushing their political propaganda, let that sink in.

>>716448632
as expected
>deranged schizobabble
Never gets old.

>>716448616
that's the one where gameplay is even more shit kek

>>716448257
zoomers are not known for being manly

>>716448430
>you need a tutorial to learn how to dodge in dark souls 3, because it's not obvious
So what I'm getting here is that you assume the controls for a game do absolutely nothing until explicitly stated otherwise, and you will make no attempt to figure out how to do anything at all on your own, because you just can't fathom the idea of something not being spelled out in broad daylight, to the extent that you can't even see things when they are.
Buddy, if you lack that level of analytical and abstract thinking capabilities, I don't know what to tell you. Put down your controller and go look at some rabbits, that sounds more your speed.

>>716448616
Sure thing Chara

>>716448616
>t.

>>716448632
I choose to SPARE you

Y'all are so fucking mind broken it's actually funny sometimes, most of this back and forth is just the same 3 guys

>>716448616
I stab and spare whoever the fuck I want

>>716448430
>retarded comparisons to other games
You absolutely have no room to talk after that Pokemon comparison pal, at least my comparisons were relevant to the idea of short-form tutorials in games.

>>716448736
As far as I can see it's:
>OP
>Frisk
>the one guy trying to argue
>a smattering of other anons taking the piss at OP
Very funny thread. It's hillarious how much Toby Fox's game can le break people.

>>716447603
>that doesn't mean they're knockoffs. They're practically different game genres
It's literally 2hu's bullet hell gameplay awkwardly stapled on top of the world's most boring and banal RPG imaginable, comparing it to Cave Story is an insult
The fact that Sans is literally scripted and has not even a single hint of any rpg mechanics in his fight is alreadyt elling

>>716448616
Everyone bows to my insteuctions, and they can't stop me.

i want drama i want drama i want drama
someone get mad at me

>>716448980
YOu aRe UGly

>>716448980
YOUR LONG

>>716448980
Quiet people piss me off

>>716448430
>yeah you need a tutorial to learn how to dodge in dark souls 3, because it's not obvious and if you fail dodge you fail the game several hours later, please
Again, DS3 has just one message on the ground telling you how to dodge, it's entirely missable, you don't have to interact with it at all either. If you managed to find that, there is absolutely no excuse for not grasping the spare mechanic in Undertale, because learning about that is *not* optional, and the game literally cannot progress without you running into multiple npcs and sequences that explain it to you.
Then again, I'm assuming you actually played DS3 here, so maybe you didn't actually find the tutorial message, in which case I may be giving you too much credit.

>>716422056 (OP)
>Give it to me raw /v/ what am I missing
The game, because you clearly didn’t play it

>>716422056 (OP)
>Give it to me raw /v/ what am I missing
The human sexo, duh.

Kriselle

>>716442881
Janny seems to have given up after his melty last weekend.

>>716422056 (OP)
>what am I missing
Taste, a soul, neurotypicality, take your pick

>>716449691
Toby's games are deeply soulless though

>>716449765
Tragically pathetic bait

>>716447941
Frisk is hotter than the hag.

>>716449810
That is the case though

>>716448973
>It's literally 2hu's bullet hell gameplay
There's only one (1) battle in the game where it's centered shooting shit. Did you even play Undertale?
Do you also believe that ZUN invented bullet hell genre?
>The fact that Sans is literally scripted and has not even a single hint of any rpg mechanics in his fight is alreadyt elling
Why would he stand there and let you get hit?

>>716449895
Yeah man, I'm sure it became such a runaway hit that is so fondly remembered because it was so soulless
What is this nonsense anyway? What are you even trying to accomplish here? Getting me to bump the thread? Pathetic

>>716449852
holy sexo

>>716449852
Why not both?

>>716449994
You don't have to reply to insubstantial posts

>>716449994
Yeah all the popular games are so soulful right

>>716450254
leave it to /v/edditors to post the most bad faith images imaginable lol

>>716449994
>>716450326
Everything that's fondly remembered is soulful yep

>>716443930
volume sliders for every different thing are a cope by devs who can't into mixing

>>716450191
That is... acceptable.

* YOU WON!
* You earned 0 XP and 0 gold.

lmao why the deleted replies

>>716451909
Frisk SPARED the OP so he folded

>>716452296
>the poster was actually toriel mad that people like asgore now
>the spare spam thing still works on her.

>>716422429
Dude, deltarune literally has a 7 year old pretend tea party in Chapter 4

>>716452296
Common Frisky W.

>>716442193
Did DSP do the secret bosses?

>>716452774
I don't think he did. Hell, I didn't know about those until much later after finishing the game

>>716445289
Not Toby's fault you can't see the gigantic fucking act and mercy buttons dude

>>716451909
OP seethed so hard he imploded

>>716448973
>oh my gosh, this sandwich is so fucking boring! It's literally delicious food awkwardly shoved in between two slices of bread! If I took away the insides it would suck, and so it does suck! I am very intelligent!

What's the deal with Undertale? Why did it trick me and then call me evil? Why is it bad?

Toby used his dark homestuck knowledge to mindbreak a generation of autists into forming the most deranged self sustaining fanbase imaginable and that deserves to be respected

>>716422056 (OP)
Beat it deathless in 5.5 hrs
Dogshit game for trannies

>>716453346
Accurate physique for a kid who eats pie, chocolate, chocolate milk and fuck-huge diner sundaes

>pick the nasty motherfucker route
>get surprised when characters treat you like a little shit
the fuck were you expecting. do you guys get mad in other games when NPCs call you evil during the evil route?

>>716451909
Wait did op actually delete shit, where?

>>716453516
*stole
Not used
*Plagiarized
Not inspired by

A fucking nigger rat that deserves to get raped

>>716453687
whoa Chara is a NIGGER?

>>716453698
Andrew?

>>716454679
Holiday?

>>716453698
Go to bed, Alex

>>716453698
Bill Bolin? is that you?

How long before Tony Fox troons out? I give it three years tops.

>>716448973
>comparing it to Cave Story is an insult
The slow, floaty shooter with two decent sections that are locked behind an obtuse alternative story path after most of the game being banal backtracking fetch quests?

>>716455360
hopefully after Deltarune is done and realizing how hard is to appeal to the japanese audience

>Youtube put a Kriselle video in my reccomended

>>716455503
the japs love his games though. He's collaborated with ZUN and Sakurai. He literally got his character into Smash (Mii fighter but still)

>>716455503
Why are japs hard to appeal to? Loli requirement?

>>716455770
Japs only like media made by Japs.

>>716448736
I don't fucking get it. How do people get mindbroken like this over fucking UNDERTALE

>>716422429
>>716422056 (OP)
You aren't the main audience
which consists of
>Chrono Trigger dicksuckers (people that hate rpgs but like moviegames)
>Homestuck retards (Deltarune is literally homestuck 2)
>Furros (Self explanatory
>Zoomers too into the shitty ass ARGS

>>716455947
10 fucking years of people being upset over undertale is pretty wild.

>>716456095
Toby really has won

>>716456163
The hack award

>>716456204
and many more awards on top of that one. And millions of dollars too!

https://youtu.be/-HVSUoiiI0o

>>716456038
Chrono Trigger was actually good though.

>>716456306
im sad this song feels like it gets brushed under the rug because of death by glamour

>>716456257
Money doesn't bring fullfillment. All his games are built on stolen ideas.

>>716456095
nearly 10 years of seethe can't be healthy

I like how OPs just completely fucked off because the entire thread called them a dumbass

>>716456347
So's Deltarune. Undertale is to Deltarune as Live A Live is to Chrono Trigger, it's less polished experience used to get the mistakes out of the way before weaving the masterpiece.

>>716456257
Damn, what compels you to chrome his dick squeaky clean?

>>716456095
>>716456163
The game was a rather simple empathy test. Naturally sociopaths keep failing it, and they get really angry about it. Deltarune is doing it in a more subtle way - instead of baiting them into rage, it tricks them into outing themselves as sociopaths.

>>716456429
he seems to be enjoying himself.

>>716456347
>>716456446
>chrono trigger is good
>so is deltarune
Lmao nvm this thread is filled with 12 yo

>>716422056 (OP)
It's spec op the line for midwits
that's literally it

>>716456478
Good for him i guess? His game is dogshit and built on stolen ideas and plagiarization. Most people (specially zoomtard since they are nigger retards) don't against the pack but people will realize how bad Undertrash truly is, sooner or later doesn't matter to me.

>>716456515
>two popular and well known games are popular and well known
omfg, stop the press

>>716456589
ESL. Gyah hah hah!

Keep replying

>>716456619
>They are popular so they must be good

>>716456589
I found the game fun, taking older ideas and making something new with them is basic humanity, its something we've known about since long before you were gay.

>>716456306
This was literally the first Undertale song I heard. I thought it was amazing, so I played the game.

>>716456662
ESL site, of course you americans are dumb enough to buy a hack game. Also you are brown or a nigger, you are more worthless than all the ESLs browsing this dead site

>>716456729
>SO YEAH HE'S STEALING BUT I LIKE WANT TO SUCK HIS COCK SO IT'S GOOD
Lol, some more mental gymnastics for ya

>>716456715
>They are popular, so they must be bad, but only I can see it because I'm special

>>716456819
popular = low quality that is correct.

It's a pretty good game and very approachable but I prefer other earthbound like rpgs for having more content

>>716456779
I think you may have some repressed issues centered around sucking dick that you need to express in a better way
>>716456759
the same happened for me with spider dance, back on ye old /f/ there was an animation based on the fight around release and it caught me.

>>716456779
Buddy, it's not stealing. Toby's inspired by a lot of things, but nothing in UT is so close to anything else that you can really call it stealing in good faith, which I know isn't your angle, but still.
With this same argument, Kentaro Miura could've sued the pants of FromSoftware for how much shit they lifted from Berserk, and similar things could be said for things like Star Wars or Dragon Ball. Everyone's just iterating on ideas and themes that other people have come up with, this is how humanity has always been.

>>716456819
Let me put it in simple words
>I like critical thinking and practice it

>>716422056 (OP)
For actual deep play BlackSouls or Project Moon games

>>716456850
Breathing's pretty popular, you gonna be a sheep and breathe like the rest of the flock?

>>716456980
Dark Souls is literally just a Monster Hunter Knockoff, but edgier and with dogshit combat so I don't particularly give a shit about it

>>716457027
>Anon incapable of having nuance in any of his thoughts is literally incapable of arguing without strawmanning
Or even worse
>Anon needs deltarune to live

>>716457000
You literally had to edit that shitty meme to say the opposite of what it initially said because you don't have any original ideas yourself. You aren't practicing shit pal.

>>716456472
>kris and susie's reaction
>kris looking down
>KRIS LOOKING AWAY AS SUSIE LOOKS AT HIM
and faggots have the gall to call this scene a joke...

>>716456980
Elden Ring and Bloodborne were inspired by some of Miura designs, INSPIRED. Toby just copy and pasted, that's stealing.

>>716457094
>Any original ideas yourself
>Literally made my own meme, which by definition is, original
?

Bad thread

>>716457145
Show me a copy and paste right now.

>>716456442
nah he's still here >>716456589 seething uncontrollably that reality won't conform to his ego.

>>716457000
Witnessed and true.
Digits don't lie
Toby is a hack and her games are dogshit

> Stop replying

> <3 Proceed

>>716457154
>literally made my own meme
That's a stone Luigi, you didn't make it.

>>716457138
thats a symptom of general public inability to read the room. Toby puts a little silly song over the top of some genuine angst and they just stop being able to see the angst

>>716457243
This expresses something different, thougheverbeit

>>716422429
a longer playtime is definitely not what undertale needed

>>716457292
Not your own meme, it's a derivative of an original work, a good example of your inability to think for yourself and form your own opinions without blindly following what someone else has laid out for you.

>>716457000
Trips of Truth.

>>716457360
>Derivative of an original work
So, a critical analysis?

>>716457091
>anon uses an argument without nuance and is astonished the retorts are without nuance

So you play it normal and then at the end you find out you weren't supposed to kill anything. Then you play it again the correct way and wind up at the actual end of the game. Is that how it was supposed to go down or am I just a retard

>>716457471
>Liking a game inconditionially despite his flaws and the fact it's actually not that good
=
>Breathing
I see.

>>716453698
Hussie, get off the computer.

>>716457494
yeah basically that's what you do
you can also do the other thing of killing everyone (it's really funny)

>>716457145
Also, let's be fuckin' real here, some of these are way more than just inspiration. If anything in UT/DR qualifies as stealing, FromSoft's just a guilty in that department.

>>716457494
Going into it blind, that's absolutely a way Toby intended, yeah.
Though the cunning would've realized from the very first dummy tutorial that "kill everything" and "kill nothing" are going to be divergent options, you are under no compulsion to pick kill-nothing to start.

>>716457494
>find out you weren't supposed to kill anything
it's pretty fucking obvious from the start
but unless you watch a guide it's almost impossible to figure out how to not kill Toriel so Toby is just making a badly designed premise and bad execution on the side.
>But sparing toriel is obvious
>Spare her
*Nothing happens*
>Spare her x3 more times
*Nothing happens*
>Remember a frog saying monsters can be spared on low health
*Attack her*
*She instantly dies when near 65% health*
>Flowey comes out and calls you a shitter retard
Ok

>>716457527
>argumentum ad populum is fallacious both ways
=
>argumentum ad populum is fallacious both ways
Yessir.

>>716455916
Undertale is insanely popular in Japan. Sans and megalovania are literally in super smash xisters.

>>716457680
Let me put in simple terms for you, yet again.
>I don't like a game everyone loves due to it not being good when analyzed, therefore I must not like breathing because everyone does like it
See how this is retarded?

>>716457664
"the friendly rpg where no one has to die"
all it took for me was taking that tagline seriously and I just naturally arrived at the conclusion of hitting spare repeatedly when the number of dots in her response kept changing. this however did have the inverse effect where I kept trying to not fight asgore for 30 deaths.

>op fucks off out of rage because thread won't kiss his ass
>black souls fags show up to carry water for alex yard and other schizos
pathetic

>>716457794
>Naturally arrived at the conclusion I must spare toriel 24 times in a row

>>716457664
> obtuse mechanic that encourages experimentation and learning is bad because I didn't figure it out

Somebody had to have figured it out

>>716457360
ITT: Trips of truth mindbreak a poor deltarune hating tranny

>>716457856
yes, I played at release and spared toriel on my first try. when the response was slightly different when I kept hitting spare I kept on going because "somethings gonna come of this"

>>716457434
Ya didn't analyze shit, you just swapped one word out for another and called it your own.

>>716457898
Oh wait i'm retarded..... I guess I was the tranny the whole time..... damn trips.....

>>716458026
>Anon tried so hard to change the subject that he forgot what the original goalpost was
Funny.

>>716457764
No, you said you didn't like it *because it was popular*, not because of the merits of the thing itself, which is fallacious.
See how you're retarded?

>>716457664
Doesn't a Froggit straight up tell you that you'd eventually have to spare someone even if their name isn't yellow

>>716458116
yes, people just memory hole that since it becomes relevant sooner than they expected.

>>716457594
You are unironically too low IQ to understand and realize how different those things you posted are.The big Iron sword happened after Miura death and everything else is completly different Miuras manga, same manga that was heavily inspired by DnD and the Middle Ages. It's not about using a plague doctor for the 4985512560th time, it's the way that it's used and how it fits the narrative.


Toby just copy pasted a bunch of random stuff from other games and modified them enough to not get sued.

>>716458116
Yes, since you can turn them pink, or to waste turns
but doing it +5 times in a row with no indication? (Because indications starts showing up after like 7 tries)

>>716458195
examples?

>>716458195
ESL

>>716458232
the first and second spares give a different number of dots in her response. a real gamer would have had their gamer senses going absolutely fucking nuts over that.

>>716458287
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkrtO3wnuuY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mgGSICq6F0

>>716458195
>The big Iron sword happened after Miura death
You know that's in like every Souls game right? I know for a fact it's in DS3, and that came out long before Miura passed.
Also, you didn't address the eclipse that looks exactly the same, or the iron maiden that looks exactly the same, or Artorias looking damn near identical to Guts, or the Hunter's mark, etc. If Japan had the United State's copyright system, Miura probably could've bankrupted FromSoft over some of this, it's pretty indefensible in certain places.
Nothing Toby Fox has done in either Undertale or Deltarune is any worse than this, so if it isn't an issue for FromSoft, why should it be an issue for Toby?

>>716457764
"popular = low quality that is correct" = "it's not good when analyzed!"
This isn't even motte and bailey, this is literally changing your argument ten posts in.

>>716458456
go to bed, yard

>>716458456
kek

Susie and Kris kissing please

>>716458232
She goes
>....?
On a fourth spare
And
>What are you doing?
On the fifth
wdym 7 tries my man

>>716458481
>popular = low quality that is correct"
Not my post.

https://twitter.com/Spamton_Travels/status/1948934519140098366

>>716458469
They don't look exactly the same and they are generic fantasy RPG elements. Meanwhile Frisk is just a modified Ness sprite

>>716458456
>>716458287
anon been real quiet since this dropped

>>716458636
Well, sire, you have made the most retarded maneuver of responding to a post chain that isn't responding to you, and responding as if it was in response to you.

>>716458681
kek

>>716458589
>....
>automatically assume this isn't her running out of dialogue and to keep doing it
kinda of a stretch but I'll take it.

>>716458559
No. Anything else?

>>716455360
Toby is the type that constantly includes gay shit in his games but isn't actually that gay

>>716458681
>Meanwhile Frisk is just a modified Ness sprite
Are you sure?
I mean, they both have a striped shirt on, but damn if that isn't where the similarities end.

>>716446717
I wish I had the screencap of some dumb bitch just posting FATBITCH STANDS IN YOUR WAY and at the end she types I HAVE SPARED YOU

>>716458853
He's come a long way.

>>716458873
Absolutetly sure about it, look at the hair, the ear, the shirt, etc. Frisk looks like a deformed ugly Ness.... because he is.

>>716458760
im not gonna fault people that ended up accidentally killing her, but yeah thats about how it went for me. any difference at all sent me me on a mission. the game said I didn't have to kill anyone so I took that to heart.

>>716458681
>Iron maiden so similar it could've been ripped right off the page, knight with broken arm who wields sword and moves in the exact same way, eclipse that looks the exact same
>They don't look identical because... They just don't, okay!!!!
Wonderful argument, good job.

>>716458913
not really

>>716452560
It was an actual tea party. Unless you're arguing it was pretend because it was the dark world. But then that includes literally everything they do in there.

>>716458760
Her attacks also visibly weaken. There's like 3 layers of active context clues that autists genuinely cannot see, and they get really upset when you point this out.

>>716456472
This is the idea behind the mantle mini games and titan spawn kills
>No it can't be bad! The game told me they aren't real so it must be true!
>No the Titan Spawns aren't sentient! The guy that was revealed to have lied several times 20 minutes ago told me so!

>>716459015
Those Susie faces are peak though

>>716422056 (OP)
Toby fox creating new music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21t_aiQkyio

>>716456886
Is the animation preserved anywhere or does the artist have socials?

>>716459030
im gonna double down that its definitely understandable that people could accidentally kill her. you dont learn until snowdin that monsters take more damage when they are mentally weakened or however it describes it, unless you were killing monsters that were ready to spare in which case well, you weren't trying to spare anyways. it's just when people double down that "theres no way anyone could have figured this out".

>>716458996
Anon Iron Maidens are real and they look exactly like that. It's just a generic fantasy RPG device

>>716458930
Be real here, neither of those sprites look similar at all outside of the striped shirt. You can't point to a clump of 6 pixels for the hair and say "see, it's basically one to one!" because that's retarded.
They're in totally different art styles, and their designs themselves aren't even remotely similar.
Still not as bad as some of that FromSoft shit.

>>716456759
Metal Crusher is a fucking masterpiece, insane to think about how it wouldn't exist if Toby didn't compose a small melody on a whim for a third skeleton character that got axed.

I'll take a peek through swfchan and see if I can spot it. I dont think the animation was anything that special but it had the music, and that was the first time I heard music from the game, was absolutely blown away.

>>716458930
NTA but the only similarity I can see is that you can sort of make Frisk's face if you just turned Ness's cap into hair as well, but other than that the sprites look completely different.

>>716459185
The entire face is the same, look at the ear. Literally the same model but wider and uglier to avoid getting sued

>>716456850
Literally the opposite. Popularity tends to scale with quality. The most highly polished games tend to have the biggest audiences while the most cheap and low quality games tends to have very small audiences to reflect that.

Inb4 you misunderstand that this is a generalised statement and exceptions will exist.

>>716459176
Anon, I really hate to break this to you, but no they aren't.
Iron Maidens are a fictional device, there is no evidence they were ever created or used prior to the 19th century.
That said, they have existed as a fictional concept for some time, and I'm certainly not crediting Miura with their conception, but I will credit him with the creation of that particular design for the exterior of one, which the iron maiden from Demon's Souls is literally identical to. Look at it. Same head design and everything, only thing they didn't rip was the placement of what I assume to be the base of the spikes on the interior of the thing itself, which can be seen from outside.

>>716459307
>Popularity tends to scale with quality.
Pokemon
Kirby
Teen Titans Go
Fortnite
Among Us
TikTok
Twitter
Video Essays
Chrono Trigger
Moviegames
Lots and lots of Soulslikes
Futa and porn games
Most fighting games
Most if not all Sitcoms
>Exceptions still exist
yeah a shitton of them

>>716459425
im noticing a lot of your opinion here

>>716459281
>entire face is the same
It literally is not. I don't think we're seeing the same thing here, their faces are nothing alike.
A handful of pixels lining up =/= exactly the same.

>>716457664
>but unless you watch a guide it's almost impossible to figure out how to not kill Toriel
The intended progression is killing her, Flowey very obviously alluding to loading your save, doing so, sparing her, and Flowey pointing out that you loaded to do so.

>>716458873
Frisk's sprite is bigger

>>716459425
Everything you listed, with the exception of Teen Titans Go, Among Us, and Tik Tok, are examples of (usually) high quality material. (Obviously, not every pokemon game is high quality, nor every video essay, but this too is in general.) "But it doesn't appeal to me" is not a genuine argument. Just because you don't like Kirby and fighting games does not mean Kirby and fighting games are in any way low grade or poorly constructed media.

>>716459425
Did ChronoTrigger kill your parents or something, what's up with you and that game?

>>716459107
found it
http://eye.swfchan.com/flash.asp?id=179388&n=Spider+Dance.swf

its not high art or anything, but it put the game on my radar when I heard the song

>>716456662
Sex with Gerson

>>716459020
It was a pretend tea party because the food and drinks in the dark world are explicitly confirmed to not be filling

>>716459425
In after you misunderstand that this is a generalised statement and exceptions will exist.

>>716459476
Yes, as everything regarding quality is subjective and not objective, it's all opinions, anon.
>>716459539
>This nigga is unironically defending my roommate is a futa3

>>716459617
>Unless you're arguing it was pretend because it was the dark world. But then that includes literally everything they do in there.

>>716459628
>>This nigga is unironically defending my roommate is a futa3
No, but I am defending Rondo Duo. What a classical strawman, to raise a point, then specifically attack its weakest possible link. You're being far too vague in your arguments.

>>716459623
>Exceptions consist of 50% or more of the cases

>>716422429
Deltarune is worse. All the criticisms you can levy at Undertale apply to Deltarune even more

Nothing that's popular retains it's quality. Most popular things are not even that good to begin with, if they were good they wouldn't be popular.

>>716459492
It's just that one part of the hair and the ear that are suspiciously close. I could absolutely see robert sitting down with the Ness sprite open in paint and thinking "I want this but different and weird looking" and landing on the frisk sprite. Also I think it's really funny that such an idea is successfully used as ragebait

>>716459709
Deltarune has genuinely dogshit writing
Halloween hack tier shit
TL;DR EAT SHIT FAGGOTS Tier
specially chapter 2

>>716459567
Thank you! For me it was this old animation of the methadone fight
https://youtube.com/watch?v=wSTcRzpL7pQ&pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD

>>716459628
>as everything regarding quality is subjective and not objective
No, anon. There is an objectivity to quality of construction. There is an objectivity to color theory and music theory and character design, even if you haven't undertaken the classes required to actually describe these truths.
The things you do not like are not thusly low quality. They can be high quality, but disliked. This judgment is sound and not subjective.

>>716459709
OP literally criticised undertale for having a random encounter system. How can that be worse for deltarune when it literally doesn't use a random encounter system?

>>716459745
Ah, another hyper-generalized statement, beautiful.

>>716459775
oh shit I forgot about this thing. I remember seeing individual panels of it as it was in progress

>>716459770
Yes that too. People shit on the judgement hall scene and the genocide ending in Undertale. Rightfully so, but that's how Deltarune is written consistently through the whole game

>>716459783
>Objectivity
>Music Theory
>A bunch of historical figures in music literally disregard or go against these OBJECTIVE TRUTHS to make pieces of art that inspire millions
Don't try to fool me, pal.

>>716459770
are you just gonna say that or are you gonna add some substance to your post

>>716459664
The Knight kills Tenna, the TV is actually destroyed.
Susie and Kris drink tea, Susie and Kris are not any less thirsty
There's a difference
Also, my initial post was a joke. Deltarune is great but technically speaking it has pretend tea parties

Is "I choose to SPARE you" something that was conceived in this thread? Please say yes because I can't fathom the idea of you niggers doing that on every bait thread.

>>716459858
All of the queen's dialogue and Ralsei
>Kris get the banana

>>716459786
Nearly every criticism then. And just about every criticism you can make for the writing of those games is far worse in Deltarune. These games have pretty forgettable gameplay all around, the writing is more important here

>>716422056 (OP)
mega filtered kek

>>716459770
Deltatroon writting might be dogshit but at least that's actually Toby writting instead of copy pasting from others

>>716459848
One can ride the line, break the mold, experiment, and produce avant-garde results. One cannot defy the absolute nature of harmonic frequencies. No amount of microtones or time signature shuffling will change what chords are harmonic and what are dissonant.

But it has quirky and random humor which is part of my identity!

>>716459838
>rightfully so
the genocide ending is the perfect counterpart to the pacifist ending and not just because its "genocide vs pacifism".

>>716459967
Why are you so illiterate and brown?

>>716459787
Name 1 popular piece of media (video game franchises, music, tv/movies) that retained it's quality over the years.

>>716459981
I bet this has really well defined equivalents in the gaming industry that translate to gameplay and a game's quality too

>>716459901
why do not you post in a thread, for game you DO like...?

https://twitter.com/tobyfox/status/1948945089939788235

https://memories.undertale.com/

>>716460086
Is that your argument?

>>716459901
>posts good dialogue

>>716460059
Yep. The smoothness of controls, the practicality of the gameplay loop, the tuning of difficulty, these are reproduceable and refinable. There are mechanical good traits and mechanical bad traits.

>>716460095

>>716460123
im not playing whatever game is happening here im just asking a question

>>716422056 (OP)
It's a game for zoomers first,
theorycrafters and babies watching them on youtube second
baby's first rpg third
and a decent game last

>>716459901
Potassium

>>716459908
>Nearly every criticism then.
Graphics? The pixelart in Deltarune is also far better. So is the music. Rudebuster > Enemy Approaching same for Ruder Buster and From Now On.

>these games have pretty forgettable gameplay all around
People aren't going to forget things punch out queen, or the jackstein miniboss in a hurry. And yes I'd say the writing is better as well.

>>716460172
Because I like helping people grow a fucking brain, same as the dogshit Hollow Knight threads.
It's a dogshit game that I had to beat to find the quality, and found none.

>>716460095
Time to spam the Nigger word at him

>>716460095

>>716460256
still, um, no substance in your post, anon

>>716460027
You'll almost certainly disagree with me based on how much you happen to like just about anything I'd list, but sure, why not.
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, Half-Life, Ace Combat, arguably the Souls series depending on how much you feel like arranging those games into a single franchise past just the Dark Souls trilogy (yes I know I was talking shit about them, I don't personally like them very much but I can't deny a certain level of quality to them, in fact they technically got better over time from a purely mechanical perspective but I digress), Devil May Cry. I could go on, but I think I've made my point already. Regardless of how much you or I actually like any of these, I don't think any major arguments can be made against their level of quality, at least not "objectively".

>>716460145
>The tuning of difficulty
Undertale is easy all around if you played videogames before.
at most sans will take 4 tries and undyne 2
so no difficulty
>smoothness of controls
nonexistant, doesn't even explain how to slow down soul in-game
>gameplay loop
lol

>>716459901
>horrible dialogue
>shitty designs
>terrible art

how did it get so popular anyways?

>>716460319
Oh, look at the rest of the thread for that.

>>716460430
lol

>>716460001
No it's bad. Chara's existence is retarded and the jumpscare is laughable

>>716460167
>>716460284
>>716460295
oh /v/
please change

>>716459943
megalovania

>>716460471
no its good, charas existence is interesting and you just got cold feet.

>>716460248
>And yes I'd say the writing is better as well.
Really? I can't imagine why anyone thinks this. It's just more drawn out, Undertale with extra steps. And the whole concept of the player character not liking you because you're controlling them is so lame

>>716460095

>>716460531
just say homestuck shit in it. so he'll have to either comment on it or disregard completely like a fag

>>716460531
Never Ever.

>>716460531
Never

>>716459691
Except 50% of all games weren't listed there. Plus a lot of that list really was just the anon's opinion seeping through. And a bit of oversight too,

Take Fortnite for example. No I'm not going to try and argue it's the best shooter or that I remotely care for it at all. But it is fairly well polished and functional. In the grand scheme of things it is a game that has cultivated a massive audience from being fairly well polished and functional, even if it's not particularly good as a game. I could show you a multiplayer shooter that is janky as fuck and barely runs and consequently has no audience and the comparison of the two would be a clearly indicator of quality generally resulting in more popularity.

Remember anons, Toby Fox is gonna read out every single one of these, so be nice, okay? Don't write anything weird.

>>716460584
Real

>>716460552
>And the whole concept of the player character not liking you because you're controlling them is so lame
We don't know why Kris doesn't like you. And it's more that the player character is working against you which IS an interesting concept.

>>716460762
It could be an interesting concept, but if it ends like it did in the genocide route in Undertale it'll just be disappointing. But even more because it'll have had years of build up

>>716460095
I wrote a very sincere message, but I'm not sharing it with you meanies.

>>716460551
In what way was it good? It's retarded
>SINCE WHEN WERE YOU THE ONE IN CONTROL?
Shit literally makes no sense because you were in control the whole game. Then you're just told it's someone else

>>716460095

>>716460982
Show us bro, we'll totally be chill about it.

>>716460095
>https://memories.undertale.com/

>>716461086
You must be 18 to post here

I DID MY PART AND I WANT OUT

>>716459891
archive says so, which is honestly incredible that no one's thought to do it until now

>>716458195
>The big Iron sword happened after Miura death
you have not read Berserk
you have not played Dark Souls

stop posting about this, you are embarrassing yourself with your sheer lack of knowledge. You are 180 degrees wrong.

thanks for reminding me to finish the game :)