Thread 717356109

>Nintendo removes all 3rd party characters in the next Smash Bros game
>Bandai Namco develops its own arena fighter in response because it already has the experience, and includes more characters from Sega, Capcom, SE, and Konami than there ever were in Smash Bros
>next smash flops, or at least gets severely handicapped
It's so simple

they should add goku in smash

Haven't there been like 4 platform fighters already that "killed" smash already?

If they went to destroy their business partnership then yeah that would be the way to go.

>>717356379
Who do you mean by "they"? Nintendo isn't the one who has cards here.

>>717356109 (OP)
Cute fanfic anon

A lot of people don't realize that the most important IP tied to the Smash Bros brand is Smash itself

>>717356627
And the Smash IP is only important because of what it represents

>>717356109 (OP)
>>next smash flops, or at least gets severely handicapped
Sure, sure
Heard it twice in resent decade
Peopl;e really hyped up playstation battle royale and that multiverse shit...

>>717356109 (OP)
why would that ever happen

>>717357021
>playstation battle royale
It was dogshit and very few of the characters in it were appealing because westoid characters are ugly and unappealing.
>multiverse
It is a crossover of cartoons, not video games. Also filled with micro transactions.
Again, Bamco developed Smash Ultimate; they would know what they're doing.
>>717357158
For some reason, many /v/tards believe that the next smash game will be a reboot and all 3rd party characters will be removed.

>>717356109 (OP)
Nintendo brand power would still carry Smash to victory.

>>717356109 (OP)
Sonic, Pacman and Megaman will continue in the next Smash.

>>717357805
And why would their companies be okay with that instead of asking for more?

>>717356109 (OP)
That doesn't make sense. Why would Nintendo remove a major part of Smash's marketing, and why would Bamco stop developing Smash?

>>717357021
MultiVersus had something nice in early beta despite mtx and then proceeded to shoot itself in the foot repeatedly until it died

>>717358597
well for one it's amazing for brand awareness and getting people into the series/buying their games

>>717358946
Everyone knows about those three, just like how everyone knows about Mario. Smash Bros is important for lesser known characters that NEED Smash's brand awareness to stay relevant, like Pit and Captain Falcon (and even Samus for a while).

>>717356109 (OP)
> Another smash killer
Sure buddy

The main reason that there will never be another smash killer is because no one can replicate the gameplay/cohesiveness of smash in a good way, other than rivals.

I think Nintendo should try making a traditional 2D fighter someday. Not like Smash but a new IP. I think that'd be neat

>>717356109 (OP)
Bamco and Nintendo are in any ongoing conflict?

>>717356740
>say dumb shit
>get called out for saying dumb shit
>try to take some madeup highground

>>717356109 (OP)
Bamco is too cheap and lazy to do that, and they're also especially rubbish at balancing games now too

>>717360671
Sony bought a large stake in Bandai Namco recently

>>717360494
and even rivals fucks up in so many ways that makes me wish it was handled better.

>>717356109 (OP)
>>Bandai Namco develops its own arena fighter in response because it already has the experience, and includes more characters from Sega, Capcom, SE, and Konami than there ever were in Smash Bros
They don't have the money for that.

Next Smash will have 4 links this time. N64 Link. BOTW Link. Toon Link. And OG 8 bit Link. There will also be Dark Link from Ocarina but he'll be DLC

>>717356109 (OP)
Nintendo may be arrogant but they aren't stupid enough to get rid of third parties. They know that doing so would automatically cripple Smash's appeal.

>>717356604
>Nintendo isn't the one who has cards here.
>owner of the smash licence
>owners of the characters people play smash for
>licences out a chunk of their toys to bamco
>owns a third of pokemon who licence out for toys
>has strong ties to Sora the main dev team for smash while they only played support
If you think Nintendo isn't the one in charge I have a bridge to sell you.

>>717363215
"large" meaning 2.5%

>>717363215
It was a 2.5% stake purely for anime not vidya.

>>717363872
>Sora the main dev team
sora isn't the main dev team, it isn't a dev team at all, it's just sakurai's company that handles contracting him out because it's easier doing it that way rather than as a private citizen, bamco's the main dev team
but yeah nintendo is absolutely still the one holding the cards

>>717364592
>it isn't a dev team at all,
NTA but you're confusing Project Sora for Sora LTD.

>>717356109 (OP)
I want to play as don-chan

>>717364885
project sora's been defunct for over a decade and was only formed for KI:U no one's talking about that
sora ltd is literally just sakurai and his wife, it's not a dev team

>>717360671
No, just saying that the idea of third party character leaving Smash is really dumb.
>>717363445
It's not a purely Bandai Namco game, other companies are involved... And since they would publish it on Xbox or PlayStation, then those WILL help with financing because that would be in their best interest. Money is not an issue here.

>>717364990
cute

smash bros 30th anniversary is in 2029 and it's gonna be an open world fighter.

>>717366372
source?

>>717356109 (OP)
having a proper story mode would make all of this be a non-factor but I doubt they'd get rid of characters when they could make them a paid dlc

>>717356109 (OP)
>next smash flops
Lah Mao

>>717363215
Sony and Nintendo have eachother Shares anon

>>717363647
Too much links

>>717357592
I still don’t understand why this board is so obsessed with cutting the roster.

>>717356109 (OP)
Give Namco Bandai's currect game output, they don't have a chance in hell of making something that outdoes Smash.
>>717369556
Because it's basically an inevitability in their eyes at this point since Smash Ultimate isn't something that can be reasonably done again without an even longer dev cycle.

>>717356627
both pokemon and mario kart are bigger than smash

>>717365654
>It's not a purely Bandai Namco game, other companies are involved
Anon, you know that Nintendo had to pay for those third party characters and music, right?

>Money is not an issue here.
It very much is, that's the reason why ultimate probably will never happen again especially since Ultimate itself raised the price of crossovers like that.

Namco is making a Shonen Jump platform fighter

>>717369863
animal crossing as well

>>717369863
>>717370071
Except for Mario Kart they sort of trade off.

>>717356109 (OP)
>characters from Sega, Capcom, SE, and Konami
You pool all those together and they wouldn't surpass the popularity of simply Pokemon+Mario

I hope alear from fire emblem engage is in the next smash

>>717369784
>since Smash Ultimate isn't something that can be reasonably done again without an even longer dev cycle.
I don't know why people think this.
What, you think they'll completely change everything about Smash for this next release? If anything, it'll probably be a Smash U++ situation, balance changes and the like, base roster expanded with more of Nintendo's legacy, bring back fan favourites like trophies instead of spirits, very easy to "reinvigorate" interest.

>>717370204
Doesn't matter when it's targeting the PS and Xbox audiences

>>717356109 (OP)
Actually it would be based as fuck if Nintendo used obscure characters that would normally be trophy fodder as a replacement for the third parties, and we got characters like Ayumi Tachibana, Takemaru, Starfy, and Captain Rainbow in instead.

>>717370550
You're saying that like they're interested in skill based games.

>>717370556
How would the inclusion of the biker from Excitebike help sell more copies

>>717370356
>What, you think they'll completely change everything about Smash for this next release?
I only see them doing this if Sakurai sticks to his word this time and full on doesn't make the next smash game outside of checking in on it.
>If anything, it'll probably be a Smash U++ situation, balance changes and the like, base roster expanded with more of Nintendo's legacy, bring back fan favourites like trophies instead of spirits
I'd honestly be having if they just added Trophies back to the game and upgarde 3 or more ATs to playable this time instead of just 2 like they did with Ultimate (Isabelle and Dark Samus). Though I imagine Nintendo will mostly be looking at their newer characters to add to the game first, as well as revamping some vet movesets like Ganondorf or changing out Zelda again.

>>717356821
A celebration of NINTENDO. Nigger nuts.
Kill all3rd parties and smash still does fine.
Sony tries a smash clone with 'muh heckin 3rd parties bruh' they could NOT even get
Cloud
Sepiroth
Snake
Ryu
Etc
Dumb fuck inbred

watch a Sony rep get in Smash Bros, only question is, who?

>>717371395
>Sony tries
We're talking about the developers of Smash 4 and Ultimate here. Whatever Sony did is irrelevant.

>>717356109 (OP)
>>Nintendo removes all 3rd party characters in the next Smash Bros game

This will probably happen given what happened with Mario Kart World and the Nintendo characters. Nintendo was in a very bad position in 2014 which is how Smash went from a "Nintendo All Star" game in 2014 to adding Cloud and making a Ballot for the follow-up where they turn it into MUGAN. They don't have to do it now so it's probably back to Nintendo, or at least very curtailed like Brawl was.

>next smash flops
lol it wont. Most people are in for Smash because of the Nintendo characters. Having Mario, Pikachu, and DK on the box goes a long way for sales. It's only really Smash people that would get upset from the third parties being gone (about half of them only being added in Ultimate)

saying Smash will flop without 3rd parties is like saying Pokemon would flop without a national deck

I'm sure 7million niggas will just decide not to buy smash because THE irrelevant jrpg shit isn't in the game anymore

you HAVE to be a spic or some other low iq brownoid for this take

>>717370550
The overwhelming majority of those don't give a shit about anything outside of some combination of sports games/COD/Fortnite

>>717371747
Mario Kart never marketed itself as the greatest crossover in gaming history or whatever
>lol it wont
"or at least gets severely handicapped". It would well, but not as much as they hoped for.

>>717372035
if that was the case then most developers wouldn't have their games published on those consoles in the first place

>>717371512
Behold, the alien hobo and his talking backpack.

>>717372506
>not japanese
no

>>717372197
Mario Kart absolutely leaned into more of the Nintendo stuff after the game released. The DLC included two of their biggest IPs plus tracks from FZero and Excitebikes and Deluxe adding Splatoon. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe defiantly marketed the Nintendo characters (go look at the boxart for the game). The reason for including Nintendo characters in Mario Kart is the same for why Smash went from Nintendo to all of gaming over a single title. Nintendo didn't think their core titles could sell on their own so they started doing more Crossover stuff. Even Mario Maker did with adding a ton of cross over sprites into the game that included basically everything. Splatoon also had a crossover with an anime. All of that stuff pretty much stopped once Nintendo was on top again. Mario Maker only kept Link and Mario Kart removed all the Nintendo characters. There wasn't a need to have all this other stuff now that the IP could stand on its own. The same is true for Smash. Why bother with all the licensed content (and pay more for it) when Nintendo's brands are doing perfectly fine on their own and Mario being on the cover is good enough? Nintendo doesn't like crossovers normally and they sure as shit don't care if some people on the internet will be upset that Joker and Terry are gone. If anything, Nintendo would rather use Smash as a vehicle for their own title's rather than one for SEGA or Square or Microsoft.

>>717370356
>I don't know why people think this.
probably because sakurai directly stated it

next smash will have a duo mechanic, a vein to pyra/mythra. they were just a test for the next game.

>>717356109 (OP)
Sonic's not going anywhere.

>>717374297
see >>717358597 >>717359630
the other companies want more of their characters in smash. they won't settle for just 1 representative at this point.

>>717374014
I don't see how that would work

>>717373982
Sakurai says a lot of shit. He also said he was going to retire.

>>717369556
I don't think people want the roster cut as much as it just feels impossible that they'll be able to retain them all. Licensing and balancing it all is so unreasonable people don't even ask for that. I don't think you'll even get a S2 edition of Ultimate because that would be a new SKU which would require another licensing agreement

>>717356109 (OP)
Even if all 3rd party characters got put into their own Smash clone by Bamco and Smash 6 was just Nintendo characters, Smash 6 would still kill its clone like it's done to all of its clones.

Gamers have more attachment to the Nintendo characters than they do Sonic, Snake, Simon, Sephiroth, and Steve. Hell, most Smash fans would see it as an improvement since most of the hated characters are 3rd party

>>717371747
>Most people are in for Smash because of the Nintendo characters.
Gameplay*

>>717365654
>And since they would publish it on Xbox or PlayStation, then those WILL help with financing because that would be in their best interest.
hahahahahahahahahaha

>>717371747
I do hope mario kart doesn't become "smash but racing edition", imo even on 8 link and the splatoon character was pushing it

>>717379086
Nintendo characters first, gameplay second, third parties third.

>>717379086
smash gameplayniggers are still stuck in melee

>>717376679
Tag Team mode.

>>717380028
Ultimate has the best gameplay since Melee. Other than no momentum on jump, it arguably has better gameplay.

>>717373020
Ultimate came after Nintendo had dropped most of that other crossover stuff though, and its DLC even more so. Note for example, Mario Maker 3ds (December 2016) already dropped the Amiibo crossover costumes. 8 DX, yeah, it kept the crossovers and even added BotW Link but Mario Kart Tour, which had no crossovers even though for a gacha game you'd usually go for as broad a roster as possible, came out in 2019. Same goes to Mario Maker 2 obviously, although this was just following the pattern from the 3ds game already. Yoshi's Crafted World, from March 2019, so less than half a year after Ultimate, although developed by Good Feel like Wooly World already dropped all crossover costumes too.

Ultimate was released in December 2018 and kept getting DLC up until October 2021, with the 2nd round of DLC just doubling down on 3rd parties, unlike for example the Booster Pack from Mario Kart 8 DX which had no crossover content. Not only the tracks, all characters added were from Mario and Donkey Kong.

So, yeah, I don't disagree Nintendo moved away from crossovers, but considering Ultimate's DLC packs continued even during this era I see no reason to think Smash would follow suit.

>>717373020
>Why bother with all the licensed content (and pay more for it) when Nintendo's brands are doing perfectly fine on their own and Mario being on the cover is good enough?
to not create a serious competitor to smash like in the scenario in the op

>>717356109 (OP)
Why would Bandai Namco do that exactly?
>inb4 hurr they removed Pac-Man
Pac-Man was exclusively because Miyamoto demanded him.

>>717357592
Toxotransmosis moment.

>>717356109 (OP)
Two more weeks bros

>>717356275
/thread