there's a weapon for everyone.

>>717449050 (OP)
yooo he blocked and then he poked sheeeeesh

>>717449050 (OP)
I love Fromsoft, but unfortunately Dark Souls 1 was so influential that it spawned an entire genre. That genre is generally worse than anything Fromsoft makes, and people are rightfully fatigued by how many soulslikes have flooded the landscape. This fatigue has caused many to retroactively hate Fromsoft for having influenced this change.

>>717449050 (OP)
My god that is vomit inducing. Fromsoft needs to chill out and go back to this style of combat.

It's not fun

>>717449050 (OP)
Because when I finally encounter a tough enemy, I can only interact with its healthbar. Not all that fun, really.

>>717449795
>I can only interact with its healthbar
what does that even mean?

>>717449050 (OP)
why cant the game just let you sidestep that attack

>>717449050 (OP)
Souls combat was great when it was slow and more turn based. Sekiro's combat is more fitting for the shonen anime fights From like doing in the newer games.

>>717449685

>>717449050 (OP)
The only people who hate it are the people who suck at it

>>717450030
holy slop. is this lies of piss?

>>717449050 (OP)
Yeah I was real impressed for a while, but then I tried Monster Hunter World...

>>717450030
>soulsfags find this enjoyable
Sad!

I like big sticks I cannot lie
Bonk de bonk is how you die

>>717449050 (OP)
Looks like dog shit

>>717449838
It means you're applying negative values to a non-diegetic GUI element by overlapping hitboxes. The narrative framing of the video game breaks down because the enemy doesn't react to being hammered with a weapon that's supposed to be hurting it, until it suddenly explodes into nothing, for no reason. Not only is it stupid but also pretty boring, the player character might as well radiate damage without having to press buttons so you can focus on the only real interaction in the fight: dodging.

>>717449050 (OP)
>uses a clip that shows an enemy able to instatrack a several second jump attack
The problem with Souls combat is they keep upping the ante to maintain their 'hard' rep, and end up ironing out a lot of what made it fun in the first place. In DS1 that jump would be something the enemy would have to commit to, and you could completely avoid it with proper positioning. Now, it's just anime bullshit where enemies have no rules to compensate for the anime ashes of war they give to the player. Everything is just faster and flashier, combos are longer, everything tracks like it has a homing device. Shit haphazardly piled on shit of a combat system where the entire appeal used to be how simple and slow paced it was in contrast with everything else on the market.

>>717450030
this is so fucking lame

>>717451185
Imagine trying any tricks like positioning, guard counters to ultra fast end game bosses like Radahn and twinks.

>>717449050 (OP)
I like it, and I love that they provide a lot of options for players. We went from 'git gud' comfy threads to a whole genre that attracts some of the worst casuals and contrarians. Do not be intimidated by /v/'s hatred for vidya, I have played with many /v/irgins over the decade and I can confirm that most of them fucking suck at games in general.

*mogs your rollslop*
Nothing personal, bud

>>717449050 (OP)
It's too shallow and Fromsoft is deathly afraid to innovate in any meaningful way. They've been far surpassed by the developers they've influenced at this point who are actually meaningfully pushing the genre in different directions.

>>717452813
ninja theory games as easy on the bitrate as usual i see

>>717449050 (OP)
Parody of the western fantasy.

>>717452813
god I just wish the nioh engine wasn't so shite with its weird slow-motion and desync issues

>>717449050 (OP)
Probably because it gets boring after 15 years.

>>717449050 (OP)
the problem is that all the weapons play the same, despite different movesets

>>717449050 (OP)
I only really liked the DS1 combat, after that it's just too many obnoxious infinite combo shit bosses that are just not fun to play against. More isn't better and I hate that this style of combat has become the staple for action games now.

>>717450239
They don't. Even with the DLC release Lies of P peaked at 30k concurrent.

>>717452562
Those animals have to be artificial. I refuse to accept they are natural.

>>717450139
Lies of P is actually good though. It's like Bloodborne but better

>>717450568
>enemy doesn't react to being hammered with a weapon that's supposed to be hurting it
what the fuck else do you want it to do? it literally dies from getting hit by the hammer?
fucking retard. EVERY game does this, but its now suddenly bad because Elden Ring does it?

parryslop > rollslop

>>717454227
It is indeed a stale convention that plagues more games than just Fromsoft's releases, but in the specific case of Elden Ring it's contrasted with Fromsoft's past games having more varied gameplay and better encounter design.

>>717452562
I refuse to believe these retards can survive in the wild without human intervention. Maybe I could kind of see it if they were fucking like rabbits to offset deaths due to retardation but they also have hilariously low birthrates.

>>717449050 (OP)
Only played Bloodborne, I'm only given 1 starting weapon. And there's only like 1 of the last blood rock you need to upgrade your weapon to max level so I don't feel like swapping out for another.

>>717455092
The gunblade is the best weapon in Lies of P by far, most satisfying moveset, sounds and hits by far.

>>717450568
>the player character might as well radiate damage without having to press buttons so you can focus on the only real interaction in the fight: dodging.
kind of an interesting twist on the retardedly fucking stale souls like "genre" vampire survivorsouls

>>717449524
In regards to combat specifically, the vast majority of modern entries in the genre are better than FromSoft

>>717456129
so youre jsut saying a bunch of shit then
you cant even give an example, just a bunch of nothing

>>717456598
There is one more in the DLC

>>717456598
You get more blood rocks in chalice dungeons with one of them being a guaranteed one from Loran Darkbeast from the preset dungeon

>>717450030
Mommy Laxasia taught me how to use an auto bocking sharpening stone

>>717449050 (OP)
because it sucks

>>717456532
isn't that literally why they're almost extinct?

>Sekiro adds a new way to defend from attacks that isn't just shield turtling or rolling through attacks
>Souls-like developers take notes and implement it in their games
>FromSoft completely ignores it in favor of rolling and turtling again for their next game

>>717449050 (OP)
It's like Monster Hunter combat, but worse in every way

>>717449685
god this feels like so long ago

>>717449524
I just want more AC games.

>>717449050 (OP)
Best combat ever was God of war I/II/III combat

>>717460039
lmao no

They should utilize the kick and back step dodge more than double down on rolling. Monster Hunter still plays better in every way. Fromsoft is still in the stone ages of vidya and still living under mud huts.

>>717449050 (OP)
man I love the black steel greathammer. fromsoft in general has really been bad at making big blunt weapons so it was nice to see them finally make some good looking ones in ER.

>>717450568
We are reaching the "healtbars bad because the game isn't a physical simulation" level of anti from contrarianism

The combat in dark souls and demon souls was never the focus, it was jank and limited but it served the greater story the game told about your exploration of weird places and finding weird enemies. Back when we were all shit at those games we even considered avoiding combat altogether in some areas because it wasn't worth it.
Since dark souls 3 and even more so in elden ring combat feels like the main focus but the only player tool that scaled up is how good the roll is, your swings are still slow as molasse compared to enemies and still don't really stagger most things unless you're going for the absolutely heaviest weapon possible. Ironically even magic got comparatively worse because it just cannot keep up with the increased enemy speed and mobility. Elden Ring would be a much more fun game if it empowered the player more or depowered the enemies somewhat, exploring the lleyndell sewers was almost fun but the fucking lobsters jesus christ.

All things considered, its the same combat as DeS.

>>717460464
same player but very different enemies

>>717458890
Sure, but how the fuck did they survive until this point?

>>717460540
sometimes your only evolutionary advantage is lack of predator

I’ve never played a single fromslop game because it looks like janky shit. I can’t believe how popular it is.

>>717449050 (OP)
they all play the same. their movesets lack variety, bloodborne was the only souls game that had fun weapons

>>717460281
The FOMO hype was a big part of these games in the early 10s. Now looking back at them they lost almost all their quality due to other copy cats doing the combat part far much better. Don't pretend that these games are anything but combat. People only praised them for meme difficulty and nothing else.

>>717461335
Games years prior were doing the combat better.

>>717449685
based
Gimme dungeon crawlers, not action games.

>>717460140
Blades of chaos combing cereally felt the most satisfying to me

>>717463834
Yeah, they could've milked that a bit more

>>717449050 (OP)
My first playthrough I ended up cosplaying those little fuckers to an extent. Wore most of their armor and got really into their natural bleed having halberds.

>>717449685
>Roll R1
>Roll R1
>Roll R1
>Roll R1
no.
All this is doing is testing reaction times instead of being a cool puzzle to solve like elden ring combat.

>>717450030
This is so fucking cool.

>>717460281
>don't really stagger most things
Shitter detected. Elden Ring is really good about staggers as long as you use your weapon's entire kit and not just R1.

>>717449050 (OP)
I enjoyed Souls combat alot until DS3. By then I had played real action games so the action part of combat was no longer engaging to me. The RPG aspects where also neutured compared to older games so that part was also lacking.

>>717449685
>missing at least 3 great opportunities for a jump attack vs walking up and r1ing once
baka

>>717449685
>magic invincibility button lets you roll headfirst through a fuckhuge axe because handing AI for spacing and animation interruption was such a hassle man
From couldn't even plagiarize Severance properly

>>717449050 (OP)
>press x to awesome
fuck i didn't know fromslop was this bad kek

>>717449685
i thought ds1trannies said their game wasn't rollslop like ds3???

>>717457172
Name three so we can laugh at you.

>>717453507
i dont want to play lies of piss after this kino

>>717466974
damn bro you're like the slop connoisseur!

>>717466949
Nioh, Khazan, Wukong

>>717466867
A roll in DS1 uses up five times the stamina of a roll in DS3.

>>717467223
you still be rollin tho, it's rollslop

>>717467073
if only khazan story is interesting. i beat the water lady but game doesnt interest me to continue further

>>717449685
it's a distinct change of gameplay and enjoyment. i had a hard time convincing my friends that i didn't love ds3, but adored ds1.

the reasons i like ds1 and the reason i like elden ring are entirely different. they leaned way more into lore and action rather than level design and atmosphere

>>717453507
>NG+

>>717467073
as someone who likes wukong way too much,
wukong isnt nearly as good as fromsoft
the exploration is okay
fighting the bosses feels like having my balls in a blender (except broken shell and maybe erlang)
the lore is lovely

>>717467396
If you rolled in response to every attack your stamina would deplete after something like four or five rolls. In DS3 you are intended to roll in response to every attack and your stamina will be fine.

>>717470453
this isn't true at all, most enemies in ds1 don't have combo strings, meaning you have time to recover stamina in between attacks. many people play ds1 without shields and only roll, why even tell a lie like this?

>>717470413
Its combat is significantly better IMO, mostly due to the stagger system it has. I really can't see From's combat being better unless you really like shield poking or something.

>>717471125
fair, i gotta agree on the stagger since elden ring has zero of that and that pains me more than anything

>>717466867
its not rollslop its ninjaflipslop

>slop
>slop
>slop

An original thought would die of loneliness in your heads.

>>717471740
jesus you motherfuckers can't make a post without mentioning the word slop. like you unironically used it three times in a row for no fucking reason, what is wrong with you?

>>717471974
>slopposting

>rollslop
Why do people self-report as retards?

>>717449524
True. COD4, Assassin's Creed 2, and Uncharted are other games that were good in their own right but spawned massive copycats as a result.

>>717467073
I always ascribed Wukong more to Kingdom Hearts than Fromsoft. It is a nonstop slugfest, From definitely forces you to consider your stamina more.
>>717470413
Wukong blows Fromsoft out of the water. I will always be appreciative of Demon's, Dark 1 and Bloodborne though. The rest of the franchise can kick rocks.

>>717474342
Why are you pretending you didn't die numerous times practicing this exact strategy before recording it, rollslop cocksucker.

>>717450030
> play badly
> do nothing
> die
> "THIS GAMEPLAY SUCKS!"
every time

>>717450030
I dont remember this fight. Is it the DLC? Christ.

>>717474683
Because it's not my webm.

Why are you pretending every single player doesn't die numerous times while learning how to fight the boss by rolling, jumping, ducking, blocking, or spacing?

>>717474581
>Wukong blows Fromsoft out of the water

>>717474718
>> do nothing
>> die
he died precisely because he tried attacking instead of just blocking the whole thing

>>717474953
Because when people call it rollslop they mean it's the only viable way to learn a new boss before proceeding. That isn't the case in other action games, where you have a chance of winning off the bat. Fromsoft bosses have evolved into nonsensical balls of particle effects that require you dying a few times merely to see what bullshit moves they're going to pull out. The recent DLC was rife with this.

>>717475192
>Because when people call it rollslop they mean it's the only viable way to learn a new boss before proceeding
But it's not

>>717475063
>Better combat
>Better bosses
>All killer
>No filler

https://youtu.be/esmMXhwSe1o?si=HqlRTJyMwONkcCuF

>>717475362
Yeah it is.

>>717475476
>is chinkshit

>>717475192
>I suck at simple videogames so everyone else does as well
Refrain from projecting your sorry ass on me or anyone else.

>>717475532
But it's not

>>717475572
>Fromsexual faggot seething before undeniable kino
Expected.

>>717475636
>I suck
I've carried so many people through bosses in Dark, BB and ER that I should probably buy Nightreign to carry those retards too. I'm just uninterested in any more of the franchise at this point. I'm explaining why people call it rollslop, the very webm meant to show alternative gamellay has the dudes souls right there on the floor.
>>717475650
>I lpay like a pussy
I bet you hate Bloodborne and Sekiro, too, bitch boy.

What's a fun build for a new ER playthrough? I only played it once. Did a Dex + Int build where I just spammed katanas and spells.

>>717475852
>Headcanon
You suck, the fact that you don't even know that people routinely let bosses kill them to practice with different weapons is all one needs to know that you're full of shit

>>717475192
The thing is that's fun, and it allows for spectacle the likes of which other games don't care for. I'm no fool anon, at its best moments Elden Ring and its likes are rhythm games where you roll at the right time. But that lets them do what they've done, which I love. There's a reason I'm still playing Dark Souls games and I haven't touched DMC3, 5, or Bayonetta in years, and it's not because these are difficult games or something like that.

However, I will say I would enjoy a From Software game in the future that plays more like Nioh or Wo Long.

>>717475852
>I j-just don't care enough to bother with learning how to play any other way
Okay

>>717476059
>There's a reason I'm still playing Dark Souls games and I haven't touched DMC3, 5, or Bayonetta in years
Is it because you're a massive faggot that enjoys getting fucked in the ass?

>>717476158
That seems uncalled for.

>>717475968
>You suck
I sleptwalk through the DLC crushing everything with my ice coated giant's hammer that the most fun I had was watching people get juggled by that chick knight with the double moon drop. I never said I struggled, From dickrider. I explained why people call it rollslop. Having beaten most of the games, I agree they've run out of ideas.
>people routinely let bosses kill them to practice with different weapons
No they don't.

>>717476158
It is not. I'm a heterosexual man.

>>717476121
>Shield
>Learn
You're joking? The most fun I've had in souls has always been helping with bosses. There's nothing to learn with poking. They're routinely the worst players. I'm a pure STR hammer god, don't get smart with me you pussy boy.

>>717476292
All things considered it was a decent guess based on the context

>>717449050 (OP)
you can only dodge roll attack until it gets boring

>>717449050 (OP)
I don't now nor have I ever understood how anyone could think "soulslike" movement and combat is anything but utter dogshit. Especially after playing games like DMC, Wukong, and the like.
>Janky ass movements
>Shitting rolling
>Terrible blocking/guarding
The only games that seems to almost get it right were Sekiro and the Niohs

>>717449685
it's the same shit?

>>717476386
No hard feelings anon.

>>717449685
Nightreign looks like a comedy compared to this.

>>717449685
Just really wanted to post this webm I made.
I never really used Zweihander before this playthrough recently and, damn, it really is a cheatcode for PvE. I think I used Queelag's sword against O&S when I played first time, it's really funny thinking how hard the game seemed back then.

>>717452562
Unironically, how did these things survive in the wild?

>>717477071
Hitbox kino at 9/10/11 seconds.

>>717476251
>Backpedaling
The only thing you're explaining is how you're a buttdevastated faggot appealing to the lowest common denominator and pretending you have a worthwhile opinion on matters you're too stupid and intellectually dishonest to either understand or discuss.

>>717477071
>fight starts
>ornstein immediately charges his lunge, gets stuck on smough, animation cancels in a different direction, stops, animation cancels in a different direction, stops, animation cancels in a different direction
>barely whiffs despite bugging out in a full 180 degree arc
People call me crazy when I call Ornstein what he is: a buggy piece of shit and a bad boss. He'd be fine if you took away his stupid fucking lunge that doesn't function correctly. Beating him at level 20 with a +3 shotel for my low level Lautrec cosplay build was pure fucking misery purely because of this bug.

>>717477419
>>ornstein immediately charges his lunge, gets stuck on smough, animation cancels in a different direction, stops, animation cancels in a different direction, stops, animation cancels in a different direction
damn all this and they still managed to be one of the best and memorable from bosses ever made, what went wrong?

>>717477573
Because Dark Souls bosses don't have a lot of health (see Ornstein dying in 4 R2s in >>717477071) and so the average player won't spend enough time fighting him in a single fight to notice that he's a barely-functioning spastic.

>>717477724
>the average player won't spend enough time fighting him in a single fight
the average player is not gonna kill ornstein in 4 r2's on his first playthrough. in fact no one will

>>717477406
Backpedaling from what? I explained the insult and pointed to the webm that supported my claim. You're the one who suggested I struggled with any of the games. I haven't. Faggot ass Fromtard. Next time make a point instead of vomiting all that seething psuedo intellectual nonsense.
>buttdevastated faggot appealing to the lowest common denominator and pretending you have a worthwhile opinion on matters you're too stupid and intellectually dishonest to either understand or discuss.
Talking to the mirror again.

>>717477884
Plenty of people did, which is why the Zwei got its fame as a busted ass weapon in the first place
>>717477924
You explained nothing but how midwits like you feel when you're confronted with your own ineptitude.
The fact that you pretend other action games don't rely on the same rolls when something like PSU or MH were all about that years before DeS (and still are) was even remotely a plan in FROM's offices keeps pointing out how inherently butthurt and dishonest you are.

>>717477884
I did it in like 7 R2s.

>>717477884
You can easily kill in him 5-9 hits with any half-decent build. Dark Souls bosses are made of paper mache.

>>717478243
>5-9 hits with any half-decent build
so not 4.
also i don't know if most people had good builds when they first played the game on release. i'm pretty sure i was using a lightning uchi? definitely didn't kill them in 5 hits

>>717478115
>Plenty of people did
I'm guessing the source is your ass? Go through a few first playthroughs of ds1 on youtube and show me the one where they kill Ornstein or Smough fast enough to where they'd barely see them attacking or moving around

>>717478115
>confronted with your own ineptitude.
Pulling more shit out of your ass, huh. I already explained I've beaten most of these bosses multiple times, on behalf of helping other players. I also explained where the rollslop criticism comes from (dying repeatedly to learn bosses) which you unwittingly agreed with when saying people die on purpose to try new weapons. In other games you just... try new weapons. MH included. But you go ahead and just keep making shit up to argue a point that was never in contention, silly retard. I never mentioned my personal experience with the games until you started insinuating I wasn't a pure STR dual wielding hammer chad who moonwalked the entire franchise utilizing the biggest fucking weapons I could get my hands on.
>Dishonest
Ironic. I've been up front this entire time while you've tried sneaking in some bullshit argument. Kill yourself you sad, projecting, duplicitous little cowardly faggot.

>>717449050 (OP)
>lock into animation that prevents other enemies from dealing attack damage to you
why do so many people think those games are hard?

>>717480030
I don't know but the same thing happens in games like ninja gaiden and people also find them really hard

>>717478918
My source is being actually there when the game was new you fucking faggot.
Again, how do you think weapons like the Zwei got their fame, uh? Because many, many people out of the literal millions who were playing found that out on their own.
>>717479908
I didn't agree with anything you idiot, stop posting and take your meds as you're clearly hallucinating.
>In other games you just... try new weapons.
In other games like MH, DMC, NG and such you can easily repeat missions, bosses etc. as much as you like you fucking dishonest ape, the only way to achieve something similar in ER is to install the boss rush/practice mod or literally use cheat engine, neither of which are used by the vast majority of people who actually play this game.
>I've been up front this entire time
No you weren't, you still aren't in fact, you keep being a disingenuous little bitch and try to weasel out of your own non-arguments while showing how ignorant you are of not just this game but others as well.

>>717481119
>My source is being actually there when the game was new
Oh so you don't actually have anything, you could've just said that
>how do you think weapons like the Zwei got their fame
And how do you think O&S got infamous for being really hard on release? It sure as fuck didn't get it's notoriety from people 4 shotting the boss that's for sure.

>>717481119
>>717481119
>I didn't agree with anything you idiot
You did, unwittingly, thus the use of the word.
>the only way to achieve something similar in ER is to
Help other players. Like I do and already said I do. You unimaginative idiot. Better yet is the boss HP boost even allows you to get in more practice shots.
>
No you weren't, you still aren't in fact, you keep being a disingenuous little bitch and try to weasel out of your own non-arguments while showing how ignorant you are of not just this game but others as well.
More bullshit. But I also realize now that you can't read or comprehend sentences so I forgive you. Especially seeing as you're too stupid to know how to effectively practice with new weapons.

>>717449050 (OP)
The combat was never the appealing factor of these games. It was the exploration and the world building

>>717452562
It's no wonder these retards are almost extinct

Otogi 2 fucks

>>717449685
I don't think I ever beat this guy without cheesing with the drop attack.
Then when you find the hordes of copy pasted ones in the lava I'm usually strong enough to two shot them

>>717449524
>I'm a dedicated Fromdrone just like you, don't you worry!

>>717482913
>Everything that upsets me is concern trolling!

>>717452813
why is rollslop cringe when parryslop is kino

>>717450030
This genre needs to die. I look at this webm and all I feel is disgust. It's all just miserable tryhard bullshit now.

>>717475476
Your botted bugslop will never be relevant, Chang.
Also you're posting illegally

>>717453768
>easy modo
Wrong.

>>717449050 (OP)
because I have standards

>>717449050 (OP)
>not using prayerful strike
you're a FAKE Blacksteel Greathammer fan.
Don't summon me, don't come by Stormveil Castle, we're done.

>>717449050 (OP)
https://youtu.be/3BFq3JmT0v4

I prefer this combat instead or something like Atlyss

This boss was cool except for the moon attack that felt like a gotcha

i came here to post that i love from software games and have very little that is negative to say about almost any IP

im sure there are a bunch of seething faggots in this thread but joke is on them, i didnt read a single word

>>717488692
i cosplayed rellana in invasions and you'd be amazed how many people, who clearly had to beat her to access the portion of the dlc i was invading, died to the moon spell

>>717488787
based enjoyer

let the faggots whine, we'll keep having fun

>>717488887
I heard you can get more than level 4 scadu if you go on some other path to skip the castle so I wonder how many did that, came back, and destroyed her before she could do it.

>>717452562
I like these animals, just nonchalant, wanting to chill and eat bamboo all day

>>717465637
To be fair, Severance was mostly about using special attacks, not normal hits. Otherwise every enemy after beginning levels will take agesto get killed.

>>717449050 (OP)
>circle strafe
>poke
>block or roll
repeat this for gorrilons of hours
Meanwhile in DMC 1 (game from 2001), there is launchers, juggling, parrying by weapon clashing, spacing with guns which is integrated into the combat system, instant kill moves, crowd control moves like stingers, charge attacks with the gauntlets, Devil Trigger having different movesets which enable you to fly around the map and attack enemies below you, varied enemy design that have tons of moves and various interactions that you could do with them.
And that is just the basics, I didin' even go into how S ranking DMD works.
I like Dark Souls 1 and 2 because they are action rpgs, meaning they are RPGs primarily with some action ifluence. The Souls games could never hold a candle to real action games when it comes to combat.

alright i've pirated ER and going to play it for the first time
since there's a lot of options apparently, recommend me a fun build

>>717489929
nigga play it yourself and discover for yourself

>>717481119
Anon the Zewi was the marginally more informed players choice. The vast majority were entering Anor Londo with either some unoptimized mishmash of gear (likely a halberd) or the scrub build of Eagle Shield pre-nerf and Drake Sword (to be replaced by the Furysword).

>>717489929
If you want to most standout melee build compared to other souls games, unironically go any sort of X & Shield build, Guard Counters are fun.
Likewise the unique caster build is Dragon Incantations.

>>717474342
Why would anyone play like this when rolling is far easier/reliable and takes very little stamina?

>>717489929
Dual wield straight swords or katanas

>>717455092
both suck
I want heckin slow and methodical positionslop, maybe some blocking

>>717491228
"methodical positonalslop" is boomer cope for "i dont like when bosses have any semblance of tracking and actually attempt to hit the player"

>>717450030
now this shit is just reverse DMC, where the boss gets to look cool doing long ass combos and the player is the sandbag

>>717488692
Yeah, it felt like a move custom made for the streamer shit
>NOOOOOO I WAS SO CLOSE
>DEATH COUNTER 611+1
Otherwise as a boss she works pretty nicely as a lovechild of Sulyvahn and Loretta. Would be even better with a cutscene and a less parody-tier name.

>>717449050 (OP)
>there's a weapon for everyone.
what's the weapon that let me juggle enemies and double jump?

>>717491521
It's a phase transition attack you can just run away from

>>717488692
>12 billion seconds telegraph is a gotcha
Ok

>>717491668
if I take 50 seconds to wind up my punch, but then punch you instantly, is that a gotcha?

>>717450239
nah lies of shit is just shit
it tries to be sekiro but fails
it tries to be dark souls but fails

>>717491103
1. because it's cool
2. because jumping and strafing typically give you better punish opportunities than rolling
>uses less stamina
>immediately actionable
>can more precisely stop in an enemy's blind spot
i had a recording of me fighting bell bearing hunter that demonstrates the point, but i guess i deleted it

the question you're asking is like asking
>why would anyone jump attack when they can just run / roll up and attack?

>>717491712
You are a retard

>>717488692
it's one of the only truly bullshit things in the game

i think it would have been fine if it didn't cover basically the entire arena. the moon spell is so immediately identifiable that you're naturally going to associate it with rennala's, which prompts you to run away because it's slow and has high tracking. if rellana's moon only affected a wide area around her, people who recognize that it's a similar attack would be rewarded for exercising caution based on experience. instead they just get raped for recognizing it and being cautious.

>>717491445
yes, I don't like that

>>717470453
>If you rolled in response to every attack your stamina would deplete after something like four or five rolls
Lies
>In DS3 you are intended to roll in response to every attack and your stamina will be fine.
Lies
>>717467223
>A roll in DS1 uses up five times the stamina of a roll in DS3.
More lies

>>717460281
Surreal to me that this is still a talking point 9 years later.
You are absolutely MORE than fast enough to handle anything and everything in DS3, this quite literally is just a matter of you being very below average at the game.

>>717460281
>The combat in dark souls and demon souls was never the focus
Already wrong, not reading the rest

>>717465637
There's maybe a single use of i-frames in that clip, all other attacks were dodged with spacing. And every worthwhile action game makes use of i-frames in some way
>From couldn't even plagiarize Severance properly
Of course it's a retarded bitter boomer lol. No one ever gave a fuck about Serverance for good reason

>>717460281
>Since dark souls 3 and even more so in elden ring combat feels like the main focus but the only player tool that scaled up is how good the roll is, your swings are still slow as molasse compared to enemies and still don't really stagger most things unless you're going for the absolutely heaviest weapon possible.
Retard

>>717491968
Ah the classic.
>here is a short clip I managed to make after failing the fight 152 times in a row but this time the staggers aligned perfectly and I could pull it off
>therefore your argument about weapon viability is invalid
Ok buddy.

>>717465637
Severance is a trash game

>>717492506
Christ you people are so fucking terrible at videogames, no wonder fighting games threads are 99% dodgers and LARPers

>>717491668
>12 billion seconds windup is a gotcha
It is, when all the attacks up until that one were not dodgable by just jumping into the air. And you specifically had to dodge either into them, get out of range, or at diagonals because of the tracking.

>>717492506
>>717492630
>Can literally see the Moon descending
Retard

I recently replayed DS3 with a pyro build, it's been so fun bros.
Ended up with onyx blade in my main-hand and demon's scar in my off-hand.
You don't have kino builds like this in the other games.

>>717474953
>Why are you pretending every single player doesn't die numerous times while learning how to fight the boss by rolling, jumping, ducking, blocking, or spacing?
Why are you pretending that autistically dying to a boss hundreds if not thousands of times to learn a very tight precise pattern that requires absolutely perfect execution and takes days, if not weeks to learn, is a viable strategy for anyone outside of the mentally deranged people.

>>717492762
Normalfag dad gamers beat these games bro please stop embarrassing yourself.

>>717449050 (OP)
I love fromsoft and souls games but you guys seriously have to let got of soulslikes and come up with something new, I don't want your company to go tits up and that's something that may well happen if you guys don't wake the fuck up

>>717492762
I thought these games were COD tier casual dogshit to you people?

>>717492728
Black Knight weapons are sexo. Messmer goons could never....

>>717492714
>can literally see the moon descending
Yeah... just like in Rennalas fight right? Where it explodes and you have to jump over it?
Oh... oh wait... oh you are full of shit, its a gotcha ability that just acts as a knowledge check.

>enemies can't interrupt your press square to be le epic badass animation

>>717492810
Yes, with rollslop. I am specifically calling out your bullshit that its not rollslop. That somehow not using rolls is viable for anyone but the most autistic crowd willing to spend hundreds of hours on every boss to find the tiniest safezones in the attacks.

>>717492897
Ah yes the BKS is cool.
I remember wrecking people with its weapon art back when the game was newer and everyone would just try to trade with you during it, good times.

>>717492867
Anon this is just what From has always done.
All that happened is that Souls allowed From to survive past the 7th gen without withering away.
Now that they have become established on a higher tier they now have pure momentum.

>>717449524
That genre being third person action games.

>>717492968
Using rolls only makes the game harder and painful too play, and increasingly requires overpowering the game

>>717492762
it's seriously not that hard to just fuck around and find fun things to do against enemies and bosses. stop acting like a petulant manchild just because you can't conceive of a world where people enjoying playing with their digital toys.
>days, if not weeks
LMAO

>>717492897
Rizzmer has the chaos dunk, the best great spears (sans Mohg's) and the second best axe in the game.

>>717492897
So this is the famous overtracking gameplay with no positioning and impossible enemies you need iframes to defend yourself from...

>>717449050 (OP)
It's not even a question of enjoying/not enjoying it, I've been playing Souls games for 12 years and it just got old. Demon's Souls was a trailblazer that directly opposed popular 7th gen design trends, but it has been so long that its style has now become the predictable norm. I sometimes envy people who can exclusively play one genre or style of game for eternity and never feel the need to try something else.

>>717492996
name me an Armored Core that is on the same tiers of being dogshit like Dark Souls 3.

hard mode is no ninebreaker

and my point is, even Armored Core is kind of different from game to game, sometimes enough to forcing people to relearn how to play, while the cookie cutter souls games are more akin to Reddit Combat, and that series is the king of shitting out a new game that is basically a mission pack with a different OST and hasn't really renovated gameplay, mission design and so on in years (actually decades if we count Ace Combat 5 came out 20 years ago)

>>717491968
I don't even understand what the webm is supposed to represent
Obviously the attack is avoidable retard, just not intuitively

Elden Ring is backstep slop thoughbeit

>>717493267
>Big ball falling down
>Should I jump?? Nahhhhhhhhh

>tries to show off with his webm slop post
>hud instantly outs xim as a cheating/cheesing retard
evrytiem

>>717493332
>Dodge roll but without the committment
This shit is gay and retarded and shouldn't have even made it into the game

>>717493351
why would you jump a big ball falling down

I've grown tired of how underpowered the playable character is. Enemies/Bosses have unlimited stamina and can/will do crazy shit. Long combo strings, can delay any attack, can trick you with pauses, can dash in/out/away at any time, etc. While as the player character the best you can do is like.. running jumping attack or some sort of weapon swap critical. It's just boring as fuck anymore. Demons and DS1 are so much more interesting and fun because your character is on the same level as everything else (mostly). Bloodborne is their best game since it feels well balanced for it's combat. Everything in BB flows so well together and feels right while keeping restrictions in check and giving the player enough power/actions/etc to deal with everything in the game.

In DS2/3/ER you just have to roll your eyes for the 1000th time as the enemy does a 30 hit combo, back dashes, does another 30 hit combo, blocks your move[s], and one hit of theirs does 80% of your HP bar and one of yours is 5% of theirs at best. I genuinely and honestly take my hands off the controller and just wait for the enemy to be done.

It's just not fun.

>>717493391
It has less iframes than a dodge roll though

>>717492968
lil niggy, not only are shields the best they've ever been, you have guard counters, jumps, backsteps, baked in HA with bullshit damage reduction or shit like Endure and BB's rally mechanics to play with, YOU have to CHOOSE to roll in this game and that is entirely on you.
A fucking wizard wearing a bathrobe can facetank ungabunga shit in this game if you're classified as a sentient being and can read item descriptions.
Are you less intelligent than a drosera peltata?

test

>>717493642
It doesn't matter, it has no committment so the enemies can't punish you when you use it badly or end up in a position you shouldn't be
This is why Niohslop is casual as fuck

damn lil bro, all those buffs and dlc powercreep items just to struggle against a midgame npc?

>>717450030
I really hate when these bosses have lengthy, unintelligible dialogue in the middle of the fight. WUCHANG in particular has been annoying about this. I have no idea what the fuck the boss is saying and trying to read the subtitles while dodging their moves is just awful.

>>717493748
it has 1 recovery frame less than a dodge roll thoughbeit

>>717493930
I said committment, not recovery
It also lasts much less as a whole animation

A toast to GOOD positioning based combat

>>717494002
Commitment doesn't matter for the part of the "commitment" that you're invincible, thoughbeit

>>717493332
I jump attack messmer twice he disintegrates

>>717449050 (OP)
This shit is so ass. I especially enjoy when camera does that weird snap into the animation like you can tell the exact frame that unskippable movie starts and finishes during which your character and the second character you're attacking are completely immune to everything around it, like you're out of this world, meanwhile other characters are still trying to attack you, but their weapons and limbs just goes through you like you're a ghost. Same shit when you open dors. It's especially funny how every souls clone tries to mimic all that junky shit, like those other devs intentionally nerfing their own games trying to replicate this clanky feeling of the original.

>>717494092
Tell that to the timing of your follow up attack

>>717449524
you're correct but also who the fuck is playing so many soulslikes they're getting fatigued? Why not just play fromsoft? There's enough time between the games to not get fatigued imo.

>>717494421
>Why not just play fromsoft?
nta but when I play a souls clone at least I know I'm getting something new, Fromsoft keeps reusing the same animations and bosses since the DaS1 days

>>717494421
holy trvke. People should stop playing shitty souls clones made by chinks and gooks

>>717494421
I've only stuck to Fromsofts offerings and I wouldn't say I'm fatigued, but they have absolutely lost some magic to me. Eventually you play enough that you see into the matrix. The Ludwig 2nd phase cutscene was extremely hype because it was fresh but now every single boss has to have a midway point anime power-up cutscene where they speak gibberish and the epic choir music kicks in. I don't know why I chose that specifically as an example but you get the gist.

>>717449050 (OP)
I got to giant empty field with white flowers in Wuchang, but there is no boss. Did I missed something? We suppose to fight with white-haired dude I guess.

>>717494043
>lizard on feline crime
i cant believe you would post this

>>717494813
Sounds like you don't like the genre and only stuck around for the novelty of it

>>717495115
Pretty crazy that I'd spend 2k hours playing and 100%'ing a series of games I don't like... Damn what a waste of time that was!

>>717495048
Have you been doing his questline?
You come back there once you reach the final chapter and he will be there as a boss when you enter

>>717495530
>Have you been doing his questline?
I talk to him when I see him.

>>717493553
>>717493267
This. You can literally make up attacks like twin moons on the spot. Simple (and shit) design, simple mechanic, purposefully counter-intuitive to gotcha you. Literally won't die once to it if you know the gimmick.

>>717456532
>>717453708
don't worry, those are chinese in costumes. Panda's went extinct 2 decades ago. Look it up

>>717494043
now post 20 year old souls combat

>>717495452
Yes, that's indeed pretty crazy
>I don't like bosses that have a new cutscene and a new phase
Is like saying you played rts for 2000 hours but don't like moving units around

>>717495826
Nightreign mogged Wilds

>>717495850
Your conflating your preference for the later games with an enjoyment of the whole series.
A man can love Souls for what they were and dislike what they have become while still liking the parts they originally liked that stuck around.

>>717495850
I never once said I disliked the phase switching cutscenes, but you're more than welcome to correct me if I did. To re-itreate, my point is that they have become predictable and no longer exciting, it's an expected outcome that you know is coming. Hence why I feel the games have gradually lost a bit of their magic. It's still enjoyable, something has been lost over time. They've become comfort games where at one point they were industry leading.

>>717491521
Never thought of it that way, but damn.
Souls is the little brother experience. No wonder parrying has become such a big element in these types of games.
It's essentially the little brother's mantra "Mom said it's my turn!" And then you get to throw out your piddly little attack (one) until your older brother puts you in your place.

>>717449050 (OP)
Whats the best souls-like if i loved the dungeon crawling experience of the previous games the most and hate the modern anime-boss slop?

>>717496067
>A man can love Souls for what they were and dislike what they have become
They didn't "become" any different as genre and core elements than what they were. They at most cemented their identity and refined their mechanics.
"Hard boss le bad" is not an elaborate dissection of mechanical game design change

>>717496075
>my point is that they have become predictable and no longer exciting, it's an expected outcome that you know is coming.
Confirming my point >>717495115
>Sounds like you don't like the genre and only stuck around for the novelty of it

>>717496190
>They didn't "become" any different as genre and core elements than what they were. They at most cemented their identity and refined their mechanics.
Cope

nice attack monster hunter babs

>>717496186
The recent Wuchang has pretty decent exploration, if you don't mind every door having a DS2 fucker waiting to pounce you. It lets you explore to your own detriment, in fact.

>>717496229
I've been trying to engage with you in good faith but you're clearly just stuck on insisting that I don't like the games no matter what I say. I can still enjoy something while feeling that it's become a little samey over time. Obviously these things are mutually exclusive for you and if I become critical of something I must hate it despite being there to play all the games.

>>717449050 (OP)
Because i like from games for exploration and worldbuilding which they abandoned after ds1

>>717496190
White they have refined their pure mechanical inputs the level and world design has drastically changed.
Its been said before but souls games used to be designed closer to dungeon crawlers like their predecessor series Kingsfield but in 3d with action combat.
And over time that aspect of the series has faded but they were still a major part of the games early on.

>>717496075
A comprehensive list of all bosses in ER with a phase switch cutscene:
>Godrick
>Rennala
>Rykard
>Malenia
>Maliketh
>Hoarah Loux
>Debateably Radagon/Elden Beast
>Messmer
>Consort Radahn

Wow, what a list. I can see why you got so tired of them.

>>717496303
No u
>>717496409
>just stuck on insisting that I don't like the games no matter what I say.
I need to prove you don't like the games, you admitted yourself.
>I don't like new boss phases
Were always there
>I can still enjoy something while feeling that it's become a little samey over time
They aren't samey, but they kept a strong core identity because they are the same genre evolving. You not liking the genre means your enjoyment of it ended with the novelty. The only one that has a problem with it is yourself as you try to pin it to the games doing something wrong.

>>717496452
>And over time that aspect of the series has faded
False

>>717449050 (OP)
It'll always be unnecessarily slow and clunky.
This can be appealing. In many ways I feel the even slower pace of DaS1 makes it more interesting than the flashier combat of their newer games.
But regardless, this style of gameplay is not for everyone.

>>717449050 (OP)
The combat is extremely simple.
Sekiro had the best combat because you could actually learn multiple skills and properly use all of the prosthetic tools (which are basically spells).
DS/ER has 300 weapons but they all have simple movesets and fundamentally do the same thing in superficially different ways
DS/ER doesn't let you use spells unless you have the correct build. And even then, there are 3 spell schools who, again, all do the same thing in slightly different ways.
The entirety of DS/ER's gameplay boils down to rolling through enemy attacks then hitting them with your weapon of choice.

>>717496724
>The combat is extremely simple.
It isn't
>Sekiro had the best combat
Lol

>>717496724
Sekiro sucks and has lost most of the appeal of Souls combat which is careful positioning and lots of attacks with unique staggers, properties, turn rate and builds

>>717496662
Again, feel free to point out where I said I dislike these games. Otherwise you're going to be stuck talking past me and replying to things I never even said. If instead you want to continue doing that, then also feel free I guess.

>>717450030
you need to dodge/deflect some of that

>>717495890
nobody gives a shit about Wilds

>>717496834
>Careful positioning
>All Souls and Elden Ring can be completely beaten by face tanking every attack just by leveling up and unga-bunging 2 handed

>>717496834
Notice in DARK SOULS that the boss can't track you and that the GREAT SHIELD means that the game DOESN'T EXIST, meanwhile in SEKIRO the PLAYER is INTERACTING with the BOSS

>>717496709
Proof?
And no a bunch of gimmick micro dungeons don't count.

>>717449685
first time i fought this guy he immediately fell off the walkway
i felt scammed

>>717449050 (OP)
>OOOOO HE DO DA BIG SMASH ANIMATION
>OOOOO HE DO IT AGAIN
Yes, that is the level of thought I'd expect from the retards that like this shit.
It is wide as an ocean, shallow as a puddle.
When you stick that many weapons in a game you end up with most of them being mediocre and the rest of them being utterly broken garbage.
Same problem PoE has with it's skill tree, they made the selection really really big for no reason other than they wanted to have a really really big selection of weapons, nevermind what it might do to the game's balance (or lack thereof).
Low IQ modern game designers love this shit for some reason.

>>717496860
>Again, feel free to point out where I said I dislike these games.
It's the post where you admit to having an issue with boss phase changes, pretending Bloodborne invented them or that later games using them means the games are "samey" because they stuck with core foundational elements of action RPGs like boss phases.

And that's in the best case scenario assuming you are in good faith.
The idea that Elden Ring and Bloodborne are the same because they both have bosses and boss phases is insulting. You don't hear this kind of bullshit sophistry with other series of games.

>>717491521
I legitimately don't understand this critique of DMC when there are many enemies that aren't the basic types have little opportunities to attack. Have you people actually played those games or do you quit after the first level?

>>717496834
>switching off your shield to 2hqand your weapon with no scaling whatsoever
Literally making it harder on himself for no reason.

>>717491521
This is what I think of almost every soulslike since elden ring. Now bosses have anime-tier DMC movesets while you still control a slow geriatric piece of shit with a club. Devs are so obsessed with doing malenia 2.0 that they forgot what fun is

>>717497061
what games do you like?

>>717497047
>Proof?
All those games have dungeons

>>717489929
ok i played it for an hour and i don't want to play it anymore
why does it feel so tedious to play?

>>717497360
It's a shitter filter working as intended

>>717497468
ok

>>717449050 (OP)
The camera system fucking blows.
It was fine when the games were slower but now every boss goes mach speed, or they're fucking huge, which leads to the camera not pointing where it should.

>>717449050 (OP)
By not being autistic.

>>717496724
Sekiro is boring as fuck
>>717497548
You control the camera

>>717462574
>Gimme dungeon crawlers
>he says praising a webm of someone killing a giant boss with a shit hatchet because all you need is action game reflexes and rolling
>while shitting on the OP webm where they use a specific weapon combo to ass fuck a light attacking enemy that would be a huge pain to just spam roll through especially in large groups or if they start chucking projectiles at you
You don't want more complex itemization you just want to time rolls apparently.
Elden Ring is much more rewarding than Dark Souls when it comes to having multiple sets of weapons and spells and ashes of war for specific situations and enemies.

>>717497468
>i don't want to eat shit
>haha, you got filtered!

>>717497061
The Souls Community suffers from not having a proper weapon appraisement method outside of "what if I cheated it in at the star" or for SL120-150 PvP,, mostly because to do so would be a pain in the ass.
Like off the top of my head you would need as categories in order from most to least important
Availability
Moveset
Initial Strength
Investment
Scalability
Weapon Art (for game that have them)
Unique Effects
Beginner Friendliness

Like you can beat the games with anything, but if your "I win" weapon takes the average player till halfway through the game to reach then you still need to get up to that point. Likewise if there are oddball niche weapons that are viable for certain points in the game but are worthless as a final build weapon or the utility of Bows despite their general annoyance to in most games have value that should be acknowledged.
Basically you treat weapons like units in Fire Emblem
But again doing this especially for a game like ER takes forever.

>>717497193
>It's the post where you admit to having an issue with boss phase changes
It... straight up isn't, in the most literal sense. Maybe instead of trying to make strange inferences and going on a tirade over them, take me at my word and what I actually say. You could have saved yourself a lot of pointless squabbling. So could I if I didn't bother re-clarifying myself because you are determined to talk past me.

>>717497642
Now say it without crying

Dark souls games are not dungeon crawlers
change my mind

>>717496834
i'm straight so i never tried to play walk around to the enemy's ass

>>717497693
Wipe your mouth please.

>>717497348
They have dungeons but the games themselves are the dungeons anymore.

>>717452838
Name 1 soulslike with the same variety of playstyles as a From souls.

>>717497717
dungeon crawlers are typically first person so yeah that's not a wrong statement?
you're probably wrong about lots of things though

>>717497742
Nioh has more variety than all Fromslop combined

>>717497717
Firstly what is your context when it comes to dungeon crawlers.

>>717449050 (OP)
fuck those rooms. Those small shits are annoying as fuck and the damn octopus they are easy to kill i know but those small fucks make it more of a chore then it should be

>>717497673
>It... straight up isn't
Why do you.... Write like a faggot?
>take me at my word and what I actually say.
Here >>717494813
>The Ludwig 2nd phase cutscene was extremely hype because it was fresh but now every single boss has to have a midway point anime power-up cutscene where they speak gibberish and the epic choir music kicks in.
Besides being an incorrect statement (most bosses don't have a cutscene transition, and in fact I wish more like Rellana and Morgott did), it also means you claim games are getting samey, while also at the same time stating how now they have more multi-phase bosses. This schizophrenic incoherent rambling is just a pseudo vidya essay personal rant about you not having any appreciation for the Action RPG roots and having an issue with the game leaning on it with more mechanics and equally incremental enemy design, which is the core of the genre.
>>717497741
>They have dungeons but the games themselves are the dungeons anymore.
Now try in english, pajeet

>>717497248
It's Ninja Gaiden propaganda that's managed to slip out of containment.
Joke's on them, 4 is looking to be exactly the type of game they hate.

>>717449050 (OP)
>How can you not enjoy Fromsoftware combat
Because I like to actually attack enemies in a game without having to spam the roll button for about 15 seconds, where enemy attack frequencies don't even let me finish a combo before having to roll again.

>>717497989
Filtered

>>717497934
*They have dungeons but the games themselves aren't the dungeons anymore.
Happy?

>>717497795
Not enemy or level variety.
I'm hopeful for 3, but cautious because it's a new engine and they can't fall back on reusing old assets as much.

>>717498013
Sorry zoom zoom, too busy playing better games like Fallout 1 and Deus Ex.

>>717498025
>They have dungeons but the games themselves aren't the dungeons anymore
They never were

>>717497739
This you?

>>717497934
You're still here arguing against things I never said but apparently I'm the schizophrenic one. Feel free to continue.

>>717452838
>It's too shallow
It isn't
>and Fromsoft is deathly afraid to innovate in any meaningful way.
Wrong
>They've been far surpassed by the developers they've influenced at this point who are actually meaningfully pushing the genre in different directions.
None of the Soulslikes have enemy design and combat design anywhere as good as Souls games sadly

>>717498126
Tell that to all of DS1 being a megadungeon

>>717498240
>I never said what you linked and greentexted
I accept your concession

>>717450030
WOOOOOOOOOW

>>717498271
You never played Dark Souls, nigger

>>717498303
Your whole crux is that I don't like the games that I actually like, but I do. So no combination of words is going to help you make any sort of point. It's like water running off a rain coat. I'll be sure to think of you next time I decide to replay a Souls game.

>>717498487
>Deflects when caught red-handed
Like I already said, I accept your concession

>>717497319
Dark Souls

>>717498531
Make sure to collect your reward from the 4chan debate committee before it expires. I wouldn't want all of your effort to go to waste.

>>717498416
I'm not going to set my 360 up to prove a point on a Singaporean mousetrap forum so this is all your getting.

>>717498487
There's over 160 bosses in Elden Ring and only 22 boss cutscenes
Your hatred towards boss cutscenes is not rational, sorry

>>717498270
you simply got a stance break on a square off you lying nigger, that would be an equivalent of elemental break in wo long

>>717498667
I don't care how many hours you played
Dark Souls is not a singular dungeon, you can hardly define the series of corridors and hallways that connect Darkroot Garden, Undead Burg, New Londo and Blighttown as a singular dungeon and it certainly isn't anywhere as tight, and the level design actually improves massively when you get through isolated singular levels over

>>717449050 (OP)
They can never make me hate you

>>717498681
>There's over 160 bosses in Elden Ring and only 22 boss cutscenes
lol now count the original ones. fucking rot pests and beastman are """bosses"""" in that stupid count.

>>717489464
Hell yeah the good life

>>717450568
Every single enemy in the game reacts to getting hit.

Even if they don’t actually flinch and get interrupted they jiggle a little bit, it’s not much, but it’s something. And alternative is having every boss get infinetly stunlocked by a dagger

>>717453507
>stab spine, stomach, liver and other
>-10% hp
yeah, i am thinking KINO

>>717449524
>aktually their next game won’t sell well
just two more release titles xister! keep on the faith and remember, play it strategically.

>>717459889
well
its been 14 years anon

>>717474342
> spacing slop

>>717452562
tell me again why do we protect pandas from extinction? they do literally nothing but eat all day, its like maintaining a neet american

>>717498270

>>717498814
Anon those corridors are in fact part of the dungeon. The entire game map besides the end points of the branches in the second half (besides Crystal Caves), and the DLC exist in a fully traversable set of intentionally designed pathways filled with various connections, secrets, and variable difficulty depending of what "level" of the dungeon your on, just with both vertical and horizontal traversal.
Demons Souls is 4 Dungeons
Dark Souls is a Megadungeon
Dark Souls 2 is 4 Dungeons
Bloodborne is mostly another Megadungeon
Dark Souls 3 is a mainly Linear Adventure with the Cathedral, and the Irythil Dungeons/Profaned Capital as dungeons.
ER is a handful of well designed Legacy Dungeons and a thousand Micro-Dungeons but got better with it in the DLC

>>717456532
I am completely convinced that they are some hybrid animal bred in captivity by humans. There's just no way those things can be a natural evolution.

>>717498270
I know this webm is bait but is Wo Long actually good? I was pretty put off by some of what I heard on release.
I'm thinking either it or AI Limit once I finish the last couple endings for Wuchang.

>>717492008
>telegraphed ground slam attack that you first experience after almost the entire basegame
jump you fucking braindead monkey

>>717499565
this might shock you but it's unsafe to heal while the enemy is not recovering from an attack

>>717498829
>everyone is at base vig

>>717492905
so your complaint is that you couldn't 1 shot a dlc boss?
fucking troglodyte, im so happy fromsoft ignores all of its community, you're all so fucking stupid and bad at video games

>>717493351
>ball falls adjacent to wall
>explodes early and aoe is airborne
>die
Happened to me twice. Retarded fight just for that move. I'd have been better off just rolling the damn thing or hitting the Raptor Mist button on my Greatsword.

>1+ year later and we've STILL got retards malding over rellana of all the dlc bosses
holy kek

>>717498736
Is that why you can consistently strategize around enemy poise breaks and variable enemy hyperarmor values in Elden Ring while in Team Ninja games you spend half the fight against unflinching machines of death and then juggle them to death

>>717500598
She doesn't get enough hate.

>>717500603
Based schizo.

>>717500802
and you clearly dont have enough people telling you to gitgud

>>717499886
I thought it was pretty good honestly, but im in the minority here

>>717501072
I beat her without frags, retard. That doesn't make her a good boss. Radahn gets so much hate that everyone forgets this bitch is the epitome of modern fromsoft design. Absolute garbage.

>>717500603
>poise breaks and variable hyper armor
That's not how you say "Jumping attack them over and over".

>>717501142
skill issue lmao

>>717500603
skill issue

>>717476059
>it allows for spectacle the likes of which other games don't care for.
What >spectacle

>>717500603
in team ninja games there are entire ki break playstyles that are far more satisfying than a static "fill the stagger bar" mechanic of souls games
also take your meds schizo

>>717501109
How do you think it compares to Lords of the Fallen and Rise of the Ronin?

>>717501724
Would compare it more to Nioh since its nor open world or interconnected areas. The gameplay is your always enjoyable TN fare, compareable to Nioh and RoR. Not at all in the area of LoF nor the other games you would've think of.
It rewards agressive gameplay with deflects etc and eh, you could always give it a try and refund it later. I did everything up to the dlc which i still need to get to at some point but as i said, i had fun but this could be biased since i love TN gameplay in general. You also get to fight with and against some of the best bros from Dynasty Warriors

>>717499886
>I know this webm is bait but is Wo Long actually good?
Yeah. It has a fantastic combat system, assuming you like deflect heavy playstyles. It also has probably the best version of resource management system i've ever seen in an arpg, Ai Limit actually borrowed it and it's fantastic there too. There's no stamina, your base attacks are free, there's a unified resource called Spirit that is used for blocking and using martial arts and casting spells. You rapidly generate spirit by deflecting and using basic attacks, you unload spirit with martial arts and spells. You can go into negative spirit but if you get hit in negative state, the character gets stunned, and it's usually a one way trip to a pound town. It creates a very satisfying action loop where you rapidly build and unload a resource, trying to balance it without overcommitting.
It also expects you to play through ng+ and beyond because NG+ with DLCs gives you 40 new spells randomly dropping from bosses and they are all awesome.

>>717501670
Amen
>>717502115
to add: what >>717502136 sums it perfectly

>>717494421
it's not even by people who play soulslikes, most people sick of them are non-soulslike players rightfully fed up that the majority of action games being produced right now are made with that formula

>>717495115
when will you fuckers learn that not everyone wants to play games purely for a gameplay perspective and also want novelty from other aspects like narrative and setting

>>717449050 (OP)
I love it actually, some of the greatest video games ever made.

>>717501229
>>717500875
>>717501369
>>717501670
>>717502191
Are you are done coping?

I know this is a bait topic, but for me, it's the claymore. Hundreds of hours between the Souls games and I've used other weapons for maybe a couple hours, tops (other than the starting weapons ofc).

I just love the aesthetic and the moveset. Gets a horizontal slash for groups, downward slash for tight quarters, and of course that well-known lunging stab.

>>717502548
Man I fucking wish weapons had this much impact on anything in any DS after 1, wherein the zwei instantly won every fight by either staggering or pancaking the boss.

>>717502548
Kek

>>717491521
someone fucking gets it finally

>>717450030
I enjoyed the main game, but this looks a bit much.

>>717449524
>people are rightfully fatigued by how many soulslikes have flooded the landscape
motherfucker you don't want to play the games don't play the games
there aren't enough hours in a day for all the shit I want to consoom, let alone complain that they're making shit I don't want to consoom

>>717502136
Code Vein did ichor 3 years prior. Team Ninja never invented a single gameplay system ever
>>717502653
You can't even distinguish good impacts and animations (which Team Ninja games lack) with not having broken enemy design

Imagine being this creature's parents

>>717503246
Poor wagie ;'(

>>717503679
He is completely, 100% correct thought
>Hates parryslop
Even more based

>>717475890
First you should actually check if you actually have it in you to replay the damn game. I really enjoyed my time with ER, but there´s a reason why I´ve never reached the altus plateau on a repeat playthrough, and that reason is the big fucking world isn´t as charming on the 2nd playthrough.

>>717502548
>I CAN'T BREATHE!

>>717503679
Imagine shilling such game on the ' chan

>>717503458
That's garbage can weapon art and just because you managed to animation dodge the single attack in the entire game it works on doesn't make it worth using under any circumstance. DS3 is a pathetic game.

>>717502548
>Yasugay gets mogged by actual huwhite samurai
B-b-b-based?

>>717465232
Can't use your weapons entire kit if you'te just gunna get interrupted for trying to use anything but r1.

>>717504164
That's not true, jumping R2s are very good. They are the only other attack type worth using in fact, other than weapon arts.

>>717504108
Cope, mald, seethe, etc...

>>717504251
Still looks like a pathetic game mon ami.

>>717504164
Shitter

>>717504164
>I want to attack without the enemy doing anything about it
Lol then time your attacks better, shitter

>>717452813
does SoP play like the 7 remake or is it different?

>>717478243
>Dark Souls bosses are made of paper mache.
Liked it better that way.

>>717504164
>>717504227
Good lord you people are just pathetic, stick to God of Boi or FF7, you clearly can't play actual games

>>717456532
as clumsy as they might seem they're large animals without any natural predators and their food sprouts up from the ground waiting to be eaten. it was pretty easy to survive like that before humans started cutting down their habitats.

Perfect guards are cooler than parries.

>>717452813
>attack
>animation stops
shit game

>>717493671
That setup is an endgame build niggy.

>>717496613
Those are all the non-filler bosses.

Facetanking > Shield > Parry > Rollslop

>>717460281
>Elden Ring would be a much more fun game if it empowered the player more
Imagine Elden Ring but with the customization of Noita

>>717493671
Really got to roll endure one of these days, seems fun

>>717506835
>Imagine Elden Ring if I could switch spells on the fly
Now I made myself sad. I just played Ratchet and Clank and any game without that weapon wheel is ass.

>>717502560
i just got the claymore in eldong ringu, should i go all-in with it for the rest of the game? Also noticed that you can slap ashes on and it's already Str B scaling at Heavy +3.

>>717500598
I think it’s because idiots rush straight to her and either didn’t find many Scadu fragments, or otherwise stubbornly decided “using them is cheating” and then smashed their head into Relanna for hours. She’s about the peak of what is reasonably doable at Scadu0, but it’s not fun. You are supposed to be Scadu5 for Castle Ensis. Which is 35% extra damage dealt, and 25.92593% less damage taken (for all the brainlets out there this increases survivalability by 35%).

It's fine. They haven't made it any better in 14 years. But it's fine

>>717507190
>>Imagine Elden Ring if I could switch spells on the fly
You can
>B-but
The spell que is there to stay, git gud

>>717500598
How did people like that beat Radagon/Godfrey? They literally have the same "It's time to le juuumping!" gimmicks

A toast, to being better than soulslop

>>717449050 (OP)
Because rolling on da floor Simon Says is not fun,
AND they've made each new Soulsborne game more and more casual and hi-speed to appeal to iPhone era toddlers.

>>717449685
>boss doesn't jump to the other side of the map after he does an attack
>boss doesn't do 400 attacks in a row without getting tired
>the window to attack is way too large, the player should only be able to attack once in a while to give the battle more tension
>the boss only has boring melee attacks; completely lacks in flash and style and doesn't make you feel like you're fighting an epic boss

BORING

>>717504895
It plays like nioh with 1 button flux

Yeah, I'm thinking I have soulslop fatigue.
>It's another game where my character moves like a fucking slug while the boss is literally Vergil from DMC
>It's another game where my character can wear armor that weighs 200lbs and I can somehow do somersaults on command but I can't hop over a knee high wall so instead I need to take a two hour detour in order to kick down a ladder
I'm just so tired of these tropes.

>>717508670
what else are you gunna play tho? minesweeper?

>>717499886
I've played AI limit for a few hours but it just made me miss Elden Ring.

>>717449050 (OP)
been remaking my WebMs (it's a slow process cause there's like 500+ of them) but expect a Bad Red Man thread with seething hosties in the coming weeks

>>717449050 (OP)
Hehe those enemies are so small.
Makes you want to fucking beat them up, like real life children, amirite?

>>717507554
I beat every Souls game and ER with it. It's basically a better longsword (potential starter weapon in every Souls game so far), so most of the game is pretty well balanced around it.

what are some rollslopbornevanialike movements that made you scream KINO

>>717500108
>im so happy fromsoft ignores all of its community, you're all so fucking stupid and bad at video games
Same, I've been saying this for a long time. Ironically, if they changed everything these crybabies whine about, the games wouldn't be as popular as they are

>>717500108
>he never said or even imply such a thing
So many of you faggots live in your own dreamworld it's hilarious

>>717453768
BAHAHAHAHAHAH
the mother of all copes

>>717450030

I love the random explosion at the end, which is then followed by ANOTHER random explosion right after
this is such dogshit lmao

I like the pushback against Fromsoft and Souls in general because Gen Z will get to experience what it's like seeing one of their cultural sacred cows dragged through the mud and eventually outright mocked, like Gen X with Final Fantasy and Millennials with Kingdom Hearts. Gen Z will be in its 30, shouting at all the alphies that Elden Ring 3 is actually kino, while Gen Alpha calls them a bunch of fat balding rollslop fags and posts memes making fun of broccoli and vapes.

>only like 10 weapon types
>once you've beaten the game with one you've beaten the game with all of them

it takes 12 playthroughs to complete use every weapon, magic and faith skill in the game

>>717518621
What pushback?
Elden Ring was massively popular
only loud autismo niggers online complain about rollslop or whatever

>>717449685

>>717520218
Nta but Shadow of the Erdtree is one of their worst rated products

>>717491521
>now this shit is just reverse DMC, where the boss gets to look cool doing long ass combos and the player is the sandbag
People throw the word "power fantasy" around a lot, and I think the best definition for a genre that fromshit spawned is the opposite of that. Powerlessness fantasy.

Everything gets to be cool, except you. Enemies have sick ass movesets, disengage or close the gap at x10 player speed, only flinch from hits after you beating them for half a hour. You are a pathetic cuck midget with tiny boring moveset and actions limited by cuck bars, but you can win because you have a special circus midget superpower of being invulnerable while rolling on a floor. Even if you are good, very good, PERFECT at the game, you will never be anything except a really, really slippery circus midget assuming you engage in emergent gameplay, and not execute le cool video that you were rehashing and learning for 30 hours.

It takes some serious brain damage and sexual deviations to come up with something like this. Myiazaki being a zesty nigga who way too frequently adds pederasty innuendoes to his games is a common knowledge.

>>717520928
>Everything gets to be cool, except you
Imagine saying this when the player has like 50X the tools of any given enemy at any time

>>717499390
Are you a bot or just a retard?

>>717520928
You had me at the serious critique until the final period.

>>717520869
>steam reviews
kek as if they had any form of legitimacy

>>717521247
>deflecting
stay classy anon

>>717516904
Play it and see for yourself. It's better that Elden Ring.

>>717521424
>It's better that Elden Ring.
Being forced to play as a gay twink korean fuckpuppet is already a bad start.

>>717521539
yeah the main character is kinda gay but the game is still very good

>>717521082
>tools
Player defense options consist of
>rolling in the dirt at the right time
>Hiding behind a door which you've stolen off some barn (good luck blocking with anything that looks like a realistic shield lmfao). Worthless unless you dedicate your build to it.
>Parrying - more often unusable than not, you can't know which attacks can be parried and which aren't until you find out through trial and error. Meme playstyle reserved to some encounters which player already knows
And that's basically all. All your other tools are useless because the enemy chimps out in your face and YOU CAN'T INTERRUPT THEM. You have to wait while hiding behind your defense mechanic.

AI Limit, an otherwise completely unremarkable game, is probably the best thing that was ever done with fromshit formula, simply because the parry button to which you have to dedicate your defense mechanic actually works on everything, and if you're good with it, you can interrupt an enemy chimping out at you and play the game early.

>>717452813
notice how you can actually engage with the boss and aren't just constantly on the run from a 9 attack string (followed by a shochwave, which then also explodes 1 second later)

>>717449685
>Roll ones
>Attack twice
>Out of stamina
Genuinely miss this pacing

>>717521772
Player defense consists of
>Rolling
>Backsteps
>Jumping
>Quicksteps
>crouching/low profiling
>Strafing and dashing
>Shields, which are already fully viable in limgrave at a basic +5 since you get Barricade Shield immediately
>Weapon guard if you spec into it, some weapons can get to 60+ Guard boost which is more than viable
>Deflecting Hard Tear
>Trading with the many, many movesets, ashes of war or spells that have HA
>Shield parries
>Weapon parries
And I guess you can throw things like Raptor of the Mists in there too.
>All your other tools are useless because the enemy chimps out in your face and YOU CAN'T INTERRUPT THEM
You can interrupt them though, most importantly you can dodge their shit while attacking since your weapons have baked in properties in how they move your hitboxes, which allow you to dodge certain shit and weave in your own offensive.
Of course, all of this requires a modicum of effort, which is kryptonite for the average /v/irgin like you, you whine about muh rollslop but then you praise mediocre royal guard mechanics for some reason despite being the same exact thing but actually braindead.
>AI Limit
Is a dogshit waifu game made for retards like you who just want casual button mashing, might as well play Oneechanbara and pretend it's kamige lmao

>>717467783
if you need to care about the story how can you play any fromsoft game?

>>717449050 (OP)
I'm sick of fromslop. Too many fucking traps. All the time, around every corner. Even areas in games I've played through more than once, I'll get jumped and stabbed in the back by some fuckin zombie. These games are just hostile. It was fun when I was teenager and thought that beating a hard game was some kind of achievement, but these days it just feels like im signing up to get bullied by a machine when I play these games. I played Elden Ring and certainly appreciate it as a landmark gaming moment - the way the world opens up after radahn is a one of a kind experience. I tried starting another playthrough a month ago and just couldnt. Honestly, at this point, I would be really curious to see fromsofts design acumen applied to a game that isnt a total ball buster and doesnt take place in a depressing hellscape where nobody can cum or die.

>>717522498
I'm regularly reminded that 99% of the poeple feverishly crying about Elden Ring either haven't played it, or don't engage with even a microcosm of the mechanics available. The fact that people bitch and moan about bosses that jump away without using items, ranged weapons, slotted spells, or weapon arts that have a ranged attack always makes me chuckle, as well as the fact that they still think the only way to avoid damage is frenetic rollspam.

>>717493812
This. I really like the Arlecchino fight, but he talks too much in general and also constantly repeats the same lines, sometimes even in the same attempt.

Crazy how KF's OST mogs soulsbornering. From really needs to cut it out with the orchestral shit and return to their roots. The only Souls game that comes close is Demon's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2LScQWJ2iQ

>>717523259
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXxGC5_eYio

>>717522498
>Rolling
>Backsteps
Same iframe mechanic

>Jumping
>crouching/low profiling
Same as with parrying, you can't know when it will work and when it won't. To use that consistently you must be some poor victim of congenital low function autism who memorized every animation in the game. If a player who isn't already very familiar with all enemies animations will attempt to regularly use that everywhere, he will eat so much shit may as well play full facetanking style.

>Anything mentioning use of blue cuck bar as a basic defense mechanic
Lmfao.

>Deflecting Hard Tear
Joke item that was apparently added as an explicit insult to players, in which it's pretty similar to malenia great rune.
>Hey faggot I bet you would like this fun way to play to be your proper defense right? Nope lmao, we've made it conditional temporary mechanic hidden at the deep end of the game, you won't be using it 99% of time hahahah faggot!

>Strafing and dashing
95% of enemies have perfect tracking.

>Trading
Post videos of trading with pinnacle bosses without some comedic levels of buff stacking.

>most importantly you can dodge their shit while attacking since your weapons have baked in properties in how they move your hitboxesRefer to congenital autism part.

>If I post le suck gameplay video of someone who already played that fight literally hundreds of times properly reacting to some hitboxes of which you can learn to trial and error, this will prove my point
Perhaps there should be state-sponsored eutanasia for those born with actual autism. Although, this will definitely cut info fromshit profits.

>>717496095
But souls aren't actually like that. In Elden ring you can just walk up and juggle Melenia with Giant hunt and water fowl dance is all she can do to escape or jump attack PCR and dodge his pity Meteor rush move.

>>717523158
>or don't engage with even a microcosm of the mechanics available
Those mechanics are separate for every new enemy and can be pinpointed only through trial and error on any new enemy.
Most people aren't autistic subhumans and have other things to do than engage in that, like playing some other video games for example. Everyone uses iframes because those are guaranteed to work.

>>717523461
>Same iframe mechanic
Different application, especially when the latter requires a talisman.
>Same as with parrying, you can't know when it will work and when it won't.
No, you're just stupid and can't eyeball thing because anything that isn't a magic invulnerability button with ample active frames is too hard for you.
>in which it's pretty similar to malenia great rune.
Malenia's great rune is active as long as you have the rune active and you can sequence break to Malenia pretty handily and have still most of the game's content left for you to beat.
The Deflecting hard tear is specifically meant for bosses and given how you should be able to beat bosses in one minute or so you have plenty of time to capitalize on it.
>95% of enemies have perfect tracking.
No such thing, but thanks for telling us that you can't play without Lock-On always active and you don't know how that actively plays against you.
>Post videos of trading with pinnacle bosses without some comedic levels of buff stacking.
What for? So you can tell me they don't count?
I've been posting videos to BTFO you retards for years and yet you still come back every day because you're mentally ill and are on a butthurt crusade against FROM.
You just keep admitting you fucking suck at videogames so just stick to your baby games, we both know you're seething daily at FROM outselling your dogshit gacha tier shovelware and nothing anybody can tell you will stop from coming back tomorrow and make the same exact posts, you've been doing this for years after all.

>>717524456
>I've been posting videos to BTFO you retards for years
The only thing you're convincing everyone about with those videos, is that the target audience of those games are autistic subhumans who get fixated on them and replay them hundreds of times to perfect memorization, which they apparently consider some kind of worthy achievement. A player who've just seen this game won't do anything like that. A player who replays it for 2nd or 3rd time some time after initial playthrough won't do anything like that. It's a result of obsessive dedication to something which is not worth any dedication at all, similar to speedrunning and other transgender activities.

Pavlov's dog training genre.

>FROM outselling your
Billions of flies and shit, right?

>>717525056
NTA but skill issue. All your complaints boil down to "I suck at the game" which is pretty pathetic. Most people, even normalfags, don't need hundreds of tries to figure things out.

>>717523770
>have other things to do
It's really odd that the "A-at least I have a life!" shit still winds up in prominence on /v/ of all places. You aren't a billionaire playboy, you're just bad at games.

>>717464771
>no.
>All this is doing is testing reaction times instead of being a cool puzzle to solve like elden ring combat.
>A reaction test which any player who is observant and has good reaction time can pass right away bad
>Braindead arbitrary memorization grind good
The absolute fucking state of fromshit drones.

>>717525648
>I want combat to be a very easy rhythm game
Kill yourself

>>717525625
>It's really odd that the "A-at least I have a life!" shit still winds up in prominence on /v/ of all places.
The post in question:
>>717523770
>have other things to do than engage in that, like playing some other video games for example
So what the fuck was that? An autistic subhuman chimping out at someone who implied that dedicating all your finite free time to a single entertainment product is not in fact a sane behavior?
Autistic faggots are not really humans, some important brain functions are absent from them. Them having human rights is a mistake.

>>717456129
That's not true at all, Elden Ring's enemies are the mpst dynamic and interesting, especially compared with the utterly baby mode PS3 games. Also, Elden Ring has enemy knockdowns as a universal mechanic.

>>717525774
As opposed to what exactly? Trial and error shit eating experience?

>>717449050 (OP)
Every weapon feels like a wet sponge, not a great variety

>>717520218
>What pushback?
First stage being denial kek.

>>717525578
>I suck at the game
So what are the conditions of not sucking at this game, other than time investment? It's not a reaction text, some fromshit drones ITT explicitly admitted as much, and what's more important certain core controls in it are specifically made to make a player's reaction matter even less. It's not a rapid decision making test. It's not some adaptation test, since enemies never change.

>>717449685
holy fucking kino

>>717449685
at least he didn't posted the shittiest bosses they have done
melenia, ishinn, or any other retard that seems from some shitty anime

>>717491920
cool for whom, a sweaty gookpig like you?

>>717523259
>>717523362
that music sounds too videogamey for modern Fromsoft, you will instead have computer-generated vocals accompanied by generic orchestral music and you WILL like it

>>717488787
based

>>717527053
Kek people really need to get their heads out of Miyazaki's ass. Do you have the one with people here shitting on the "fake" DLC leak?

>>717521247

>>717527589
To be honest the gay Radahn shit was so absurd I can't even laugh at people calling leaks fake. It looks like an April fools shitpost from devs. I don't believe that whoever came up with the original idea of making gay Radahn wasn't drunk or high out of his mind.

>>717449050 (OP)
People on /v/ actively try to avoid enjoying videogames

>>717527589

>>717492897
I'm a total shitter and champ gundyr filtered me so hard that I finally manned up and for the next 4 hours I learned how to perfectly parry all of his moves, shit was cash

>>717488610
> girl
> son

>>717499462
Bamboo is harder to get rid of than it is to grow. Feeding pandas costs less than nothing.

>>717453708
>>717456532
>>717477167
There was always extremely few of them. If you look at historical Chinese art, they show up but are depicted super infrequently compared to other animals, which is odd considering how bears generally found a place in other ancient mythologies wherever else they were found. However, this is because the giant panda has always lived in this really small remote mountain area in central China, where people basically never went.

Because of their scarcity, pandas were always seen as these really exotic mythical creatures, and there's records of them being kept in zoos as early as ~200 BC.

>>717449050 (OP)
Because its fucking horrid. It's the only franchise that never improved on its shit movements and combat.
>Monster Hunter
Started off with using fucking thimbstick to swing weapon. Terrible overall combat in the begining.... Fast forward to Rise. Night and day.
>Resident Evil
Started off with god awful tank controls... Fast forward to RE7. Night and day.
>FromSlop shit
Horrendous combat and movements... Fast forward.. still horrendous combat and movements.
You trannies and homosexuals can seethe reeeeee cope and cry all you want. I am right and you know it.

>>717528335
DLC when?

>>717528495
The Radahn fight was awesome because it put all your skill to the test
But then they had to nerve it because people who STILL refused to learn the game mechanics and those running dumb meme builds were unable to defeat him in under 10 tries

>>717525578
He's just going to whine endlessly about how the game requiring a tiny bit of effort is bad because big boi here is totally a big brain CEO that doesn't have time for videogames.
Ragebait gets old after several years of incessant butthurt.

>>717492897
/v/ told me that shields don't work in DS3.

Nice try but souls gme are to simple combat wise.
Kh2 is the only game where the playable character has a huge amount of moves in their kits and where it makes sense to use all of them at certain points.
It is the most developed and finetuned combat ever and no souls game can come closer tot hat by just being rollslop

>>717449685
>that camera angle enhancing the feeling of a strong, horrible creature coming at you
>camera shakes on each attack, ground trembles, dust flies everywhere
>sky makes you feel you're in a post-apocalyptic setting with no hope to survive
>each attack feels important, with a strong intent to kill
holy shit I finally get it, I finally fucking get it, it wasn't about the cool moves ore flashy bosses, dark souls is trully a masterpiece

>>717529314
are you a fucking AI bot

>>717528857
Radahn sucks.
You can easily just outrun every attack and beat him with long range shit.
And there are so many easy to summon dudes in the battle.

>>717449050 (OP)
I enjoy having more than two attacks.
Even From realised how limited their combat system was, which is why they awkwardly stapled weapon arts to it

>>717529296
How can a ps2 game innovate its combat more in 3 years from kh1 to 2 but fromsoft cant do any meaningfull difference in over a decade?

>>717528863
Is being a big brain CEO a mandatory requirement of asking yourself a question such as "why the fuck am i doing this repetitive unfun shit again"? And really, why?
>requiring a tiny bit of effort
There are countless hard or challenging games which are actually enjoable in their moment-to-moment gameplay, even if you don't progress at the moment. Nothing (except MAYBE Sekiro) that was ever made out of dark souls 3rd person action formula counts among those, because they just feel like shit - sluggish, unresponsive, long periods of a player doing nothing..

>>717529352
nice, you're seething

>>717529424
This.
As soon as they invented thaz tje combat broke because ashes kf war dealt way more damage then any of your normal attacks could.
It broke the game

>>717529371
My cat's IQ is higher than yours

I feek shameful to have used a guide for rannis quest.
I am brainrot snd cant think of my own.
I am srs.

>>717504108

>>717529541
What contex js that?

>>717449050 (OP)
Feels like i'm fighting underwater, and the jerky animations of enemies made to be as annoying as possible to predict when to block on top of that.

>>717529696
Exactly

>>717449050 (OP)
Over a decade of fromsoft souls game and the camera somehoe got worse

>>717529689
this is fake the guy filming it used a no hit reg cheat

>>717529462
I wouldn't know, I'm intelligent enough to not waste my time with dogshit like AI limit and ragebait for years about games I'm too stupid to play

>>717529612
I wanted to experience every bit of content and don't have the time to replay a huge open world game to revisit it. no regrets (didn't have any problems with ranni tho')

>>717530070
pimp slapped

>>717529823

>>717529990
>Autiatic mentally deficient fromshit drone who thinks that memorizing animations is "skill"
>I'm intelligent
Ahahah

>ragebait
I genuinely despise fromshit fanbase. Easily one of the most cancerous fandoms of video games as medium. Complete waste of life that for some reason things they're greatest video game players on planet for memorizing the same AI dummies movesets, and they stink up whole internet comminities.
But I have to admit that fromshit itself came up a truly groundbreaking business model. They don't just sell the same game like Ubisoft, they sell a delusional self-perception of being a "hardcore gamer" bundled with it.

>>717460281
Mad cuz bad, simple as.

>>717529823
we're reaching cope levels that shouldn't even be possible

>>717501370
Don't ask dumb questions dude.

all these videos of le epic gaymers doing anything BUT rolling is on the same level as those jerk offs in DOOM where they jump around and swap weapons after every trigger pull

>>717529689
Genuinely what is this supposed to prove? None of those were intentional. Wow, they made decent hitboxes.